From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jul 1 05:01:57 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:01:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley parts wanted Message-ID: <000f01c8db72$4344dbc0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all Does anyone have the 70 tooth gear that drives off the cam shaft of a Wolseley R model 2 1/2hp shearing engine. This gear drives the magneto gear. Also after a 2 1/2hp muffler and carby bowl, these are the hard to get parts. They are not for me but for a new restorer in Queensland that contacted me. If anyone has parts for sale then put a price on them and let me know please. Regards Peter, Oz From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Jul 1 06:27:13 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:27:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FW: 6HP Robertsonville Message-ID: <380-22008721132713921@coastalnet.com> Can anyone help Herman out? If so, contact him at: hmeier at metrofloors.com Thanks, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Meier, Herman To: christison at coastalnet.com Sent: 7/1/2008 9:14:34 AM Subject: 6HP Robertsonville Ken, Do you know of anyone having a 6hp Robertsonville with "S" spoke wheels? Looking for a parts engine Thanks Herman Herman Meier Sales Representative - Southern Idaho Region Metropolitan Hardwood Floors (US), Inc. 19406 68th Avenue S. Kent, WA 98032-1193 UNITED STATES d. c. 208.284.4437 f. E-mail hmeier at metrofloors.com From Frank at lbpinc.com Tue Jul 1 09:35:43 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:35:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator Message-ID: <20080701163555.13B6F597F3@gw1.nlenet.net> Hi Peter, At this rate you need to start acquiring some vintage lights for a really nifty "electrical" display with all these gennys. See ya, Arnie ------------------------------------------ It would be fun to see the English version of this. http://lbpinc.com/light6.jpg Frank From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jul 1 09:53:07 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:53:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FW: 6HP Robertsonville In-Reply-To: <380-22008721132713921@coastalnet.com> References: <380-22008721132713921@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590771652A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Bet this is the Robertsonville engine that I heard about that fell off a trailer and broke the flywheels and bent the crankshaft. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:27 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine Cc: hmeier at metrofloors.com Subject: [SEL] FW: 6HP Robertsonville Can anyone help Herman out? If so, contact him at: hmeier at metrofloors.com Thanks, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Meier, Herman To: christison at coastalnet.com Sent: 7/1/2008 9:14:34 AM Subject: 6HP Robertsonville Ken, Do you know of anyone having a 6hp Robertsonville with "S" spoke wheels? Looking for a parts engine Thanks Herman Herman Meier Sales Representative - Southern Idaho Region Metropolitan Hardwood Floors (US), Inc. 19406 68th Avenue S. Kent, WA 98032-1193 UNITED STATES d. c. 208.284.4437 f. E-mail hmeier at metrofloors.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From curt at rustyiron.com Tue Jul 1 10:24:16 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] FW: 6HP Robertsonville In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590771652A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <380-22008721132713921@coastalnet.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590771652A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <25265.168.215.206.73.1214933056.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> George, Sounds like THAT'S a parts engine now! :-) Bet Kenny would buy what's left. Curt > Bet this is the Robertsonville engine that I heard about that fell off a > trailer and broke the flywheels and bent the crankshaft. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken > Christison > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:27 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine > Cc: hmeier at metrofloors.com > Subject: [SEL] FW: 6HP Robertsonville > > Can anyone help Herman out? If so, contact him at: > hmeier at metrofloors.com > > Thanks, > > Ken > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Meier, Herman > To: christison at coastalnet.com > Sent: 7/1/2008 9:14:34 AM > Subject: 6HP Robertsonville > > > Ken, > > Do you know of anyone having a 6hp Robertsonville with "S" spoke wheels? > Looking for a parts engine > > Thanks > > Herman > > > Herman Meier > Sales Representative - Southern Idaho Region > Metropolitan Hardwood Floors (US), Inc. > 19406 68th Avenue S. > Kent, WA 98032-1193 UNITED STATES > d. > c. 208.284.4437 > f. > E-mail hmeier at metrofloors.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jul 1 13:44:57 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:44:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] FW: 6HP Robertsonville Message-ID: In a message dated 7/1/2008 1:05:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: Bet this is the Robertsonville engine that I heard about that fell off a trailer and broke the flywheels and bent the crankshaft. That is terrible!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germaoamer at AOL.com **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jul 1 16:57:52 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:57:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator In-Reply-To: <20080701163555.13B6F597F3@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: 'Ya caint run them vintage lights without some vintage electrick. That vintage generator should make old enough electrons. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Frank > DeWitt > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:36 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight > Generator > > > Hi Peter, > > At this rate you need to start acquiring some > vintage lights for a really nifty > "electrical" display with all these gennys. > > See ya, Arnie From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jul 1 22:40:20 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:40:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Schebler carb info. Message-ID: <20080701.224020.620.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Does anyone have, or know of a manual for the Schebler brass carbs like are on the Cushman vertical engines? I have seen them on a variety of engines but now need information on how they work, specifically the area of air intake. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Beauty Advice Just Got a Makeover Read reviews about the beauty products you have always wanted to try http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7VSD93PfHjUJfoYoVrBTqX9TW9NagwT8ksh4xkQQThB75kh/ From jbcast at charter.net Wed Jul 2 04:09:19 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 4:09:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Schebler carb info. In-Reply-To: <20080701.224020.620.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20080702070919.ZFFL6.28410.root@mp20> ---- rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > Does anyone have, or know of a manual for the Schebler brass carbs like > are on the Cushman vertical engines? I have seen them on a variety of > engines but now need information on how they work, specifically the area > of air intake. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell Look at this site, http://www.oldmarineengine.com/technical/carburetor/scheblerD.html or search here for more http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/3433/3433.html J.B. Castagnos From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jul 2 08:21:36 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:21:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New engines! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059071232BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20080524.231318.1904.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059071232BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059077172C2@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Last Friday I went to the auction at Moses Lake Washington. I had picked out a few engines that I wanted to try for prior to the auction and was lucky enough to come home with two of them. The first engine I got was a unknown engine. Actually, it still is unknown! It is a 2 cycle engine, but not the mixed fuel type. Guessing it is a 3 or 4hp engine, but have no way of really knowing until it has been identified. I posted several pictures of it on Smokstak, but haven't had a single response. I'm pretty sure it would run if I had a usable buzz coil and got the engine fueled, oiled, and secured. The second engine I got is a 3hp Gade. I had to pass on bidding on a few other engines to save my money for a try at the Gade. One of the bad things of limited resources and one of the engines you really want being at the end of the auction. Other than the paint job currently on the Gade I'm quite happy with it and had it running the day after the auction. Really didn't need anything except some fresh gas and to clean out the fuel line. Oh.... it also needed much lighter governor springs as it ran way too fast the first time I started it up. Also put a muffler on it from one of my other engines. That ported exhaust was a bit loud! Does anyone know if someone sells reproduction or original mufflers for Gade engine? George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jul 2 08:53:16 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:53:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au> References: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080702114716.02f6f700@pop3.wcoil.com> Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio Hi All , I just bought a Maytag aluminum tub washer in Bloomington Minnesota a suburb of Minneapolis. I need to arrange transport for it to Ohio or points east. It could also go south to Iowa or South east to Wisconsin or Illinois, I know people there who I could ask to store or might be able to complete transport further east. It is not a restored machine so theres no concern of damaging a paint finish. Just protect from breakage as would normally be done. Thank You, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 2 09:26:39 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080702114716.02f6f700@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080702114716.02f6f700@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1396.165.206.180.192.1215015999.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I know car people in that very area, so if you don't find a ride for it, I could post a message on the AMCForum and see if anyone is hauling a car down this way for the weekend, etc......... There's a couple AMC folks who live right there. It could sit in my garage then. Bill > Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio > > Hi All , I just bought a Maytag aluminum tub washer in Bloomington > Minnesota a suburb of Minneapolis. I need to arrange transport for it to > Ohio or points east. It could also go south to Iowa or South east to > Wisconsin or Illinois, I know people there who I could ask to store or > might be able to complete transport further east. It is not a restored > machine so theres no concern of damaging a paint finish. Just protect from > breakage as would normally be done. > > Thank You, Mark > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > Bluffton, Ohio > Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > Home #419.358.5206 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jul 2 09:56:00 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:56:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens! Update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080702184722.00bf5d00@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Everyone, Just a quick update, I finally got the correct serial number on the SB lathe and LeBlond lathes have replied as follows: 1. Serial Number: 119990 2. Catalog Number: 113-C 3. Size: 13"X6' 4. 1HP; 400V/3PH/50CY 5. 1425 RPM 6. Ship Date: November 17, 1941 7. Originally sold to the U.S. War Department in Chicago, Illinois. It's always nice to get this kind of information. That electric motor was obviously changed to 220 v single phase when it got to South Africa. I wonder how it ended up in a newspaper toolroom in South Africa - probably "War surplus". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:06:50 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:06:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080702114716.02f6f700@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080702114716.02f6f700@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: I will be travelling to Nevada Iowa (near Des Moines) and back home the week of July 14 if I can help let me know. I will have room in the truck and can store if needed. Ed Herreid Trevor WI 53179> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:53:16 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: frappi at wcoil.com> Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio> > Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio> > Hi All , I just bought a Maytag aluminum tub washer in Bloomington > Minnesota a suburb of Minneapolis. I need to arrange transport for it to > Ohio or points east. It could also go south to Iowa or South east to > Wisconsin or Illinois, I know people there who I could ask to store or > might be able to complete transport further east. It is not a restored > machine so theres no concern of damaging a paint finish. Just protect from > breakage as would normally be done.> > Thank You, Mark> > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw> Bluffton, Ohio> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com> Home #419.358.5206> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Jul 2 13:50:35 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] New engines! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059077172C2@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20080524.231318.1904.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059071232BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059077172C2@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <24737.168.215.206.73.1215031835.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> George, Pictures? Curt > Last Friday I went to the auction at Moses Lake Washington. I had > picked out a few engines that I wanted to try for prior to the auction > and was lucky enough to come home with two of them. > > The first engine I got was a unknown engine. Actually, it still is > unknown! It is a 2 cycle engine, but not the mixed fuel type. Guessing > it is a 3 or 4hp engine, but have no way of really knowing until it has > been identified. I posted several pictures of it on Smokstak, but > haven't had a single response. I'm pretty sure it would run if I had a > usable buzz coil and got the engine fueled, oiled, and secured. > > The second engine I got is a 3hp Gade. I had to pass on bidding on a > few other engines to save my money for a try at the Gade. One of the > bad things of limited resources and one of the engines you really want > being at the end of the auction. > > Other than the paint job currently on the Gade I'm quite happy with it > and had it running the day after the auction. Really didn't need > anything except some fresh gas and to clean out the fuel line. Oh.... > it also needed much lighter governor springs as it ran way too fast the > first time I started it up. Also put a muffler on it from one of my > other engines. That ported exhaust was a bit loud! > > Does anyone know if someone sells reproduction or original mufflers for > Gade engine? > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jul 2 14:34:56 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:34:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New engines! In-Reply-To: <24737.168.215.206.73.1215031835.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <20080524.231318.1904.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059071232BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059077172C2@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <24737.168.215.206.73.1215031835.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105907748DEB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Pictures of the unknown blue engine are on SmokStak. The thread is "Blue engine pictures" George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New engines! George, Pictures? Curt This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 15:34:37 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:34:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator In-Reply-To: <20080701163555.13B6F597F3@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080701163555.13B6F597F3@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160807021534i7beb068s3eac19dfbd2386bf@mail.gmail.com> On 01/07/2008, Frank DeWitt wrote: > Hi Peter, > > At this rate you need to start acquiring some vintage lights for a really > nifty > "electrical" display with all these gennys. > > See ya, Arnie > ------------------------------------------ > It would be fun to see the English version of this. > > http://lbpinc.com/light6.jpg > > Frank Frank/Arnie (split personality??) See: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Switchboard/Generator.htm Plenty of meters and switches.... If you look at the old power station switchboard towards the end of that section, we are trying to save a similar unit from the scrap man from the next station down the river, they are both hydro-electric stations that we supplied new chargers to recently. The board in the pictures has been saved, and is now preserved in the visitor centre at the station. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 2 18:34:05 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:34:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008201c8dcac$e79c1270$0300a8c0@l2800> Nevada, IA - go north out of Des Moines on I35 to Ames area, head east on Hwy 30, it's just east of Ames a few minutes, about 45 minutes from here. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Herreid Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:07 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio I will be travelling to Nevada Iowa (near Des Moines) and back home the week of July 14 if I can help let me know. I will have room in the truck and can store if needed. Ed Herreid Trevor WI 53179> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:53:16 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: frappi at wcoil.com> Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio> > Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio> > Hi All , I just bought a Maytag aluminum tub washer in Bloomington > Minnesota a suburb of Minneapolis. I need to arrange transport for it to > Ohio or points east. It could also go south to Iowa or South east to > Wisconsin or Illinois, I know people there who I could ask to store or > might be able to complete transport further east. It is not a restored > machine so theres no concern of damaging a paint finish. Just protect from > breakage as would normally be done.> > Thank You, Mark> > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw> Bluffton, Ohio> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com> Home #419.358.5206> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mob ile_Zune_V3 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Jul 2 19:06:46 2008 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:06:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: RE: 6HP Robertsonville] Message-ID: <486C3436.2030302@wightman.ca> If anyone can help Herman, please do so directly. Thanks, Duncan -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: 6HP Robertsonville Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 04:05:51 -0700 From: Meier, Herman To: Duncan Denman Duncan, My Dad had just restored this winter a 6HP Robertsonville, on the way to a show it feel off his trailer and broke a fly wheel. First for him in 30 years of showing engines to have one fall off his trailer. The straps broke due to vibration. Lesson being always use chains. Yes, please forward to anyone you know. The fly wheels on a 6HP are "S" spokes Thanks Herman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Duncan Denman [mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:42 PM To: Meier, Herman Subject: Re: 6HP Robertsonville Hi Herman, Nobody off the top of my head. Let me forward your message to a couple of places and see if that's okay with you. Guy in Quebec has a 5 HP but I am not sure how close the parts are. What kind of parts do you need? Duncan Meier, Herman wrote: Duncan Do you know of anyone having a 6hp Robertsonville with "S" spoke wheels? Looking for a parts engine Thanks Herman Herman Meier Sales Representative - Southern Idaho Region Metropolitan Hardwood Floors (US), Inc. 19406 68th Avenue S. Kent, WA 98032-1193 UNITED STATES d. c. 208.284.4437 f. E-mail hmeier at metrofloors.com mhfsig The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. 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The entire content of this e-mail and any attachments, including any quotations, is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon by the recipient in any way unless otherwise confirmed in writing by way of letter and/or facsimile from Metropolitan Hardwood Floors (US), Inc. mhfdisc From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 15:35:06 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:35:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator In-Reply-To: <20080701163555.13B6F597F3@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080701163555.13B6F597F3@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160807021535x5d9e4020v15783b28c5b13647@mail.gmail.com> On 01/07/2008, Frank DeWitt wrote: > Hi Peter, > > At this rate you need to start acquiring some vintage lights for a really > nifty > "electrical" display with all these gennys. > > See ya, Arnie > ------------------------------------------ > It would be fun to see the English version of this. > > http://lbpinc.com/light6.jpg > > Frank Frank/Arnie (split personality??) See: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Switchboard/Generator.htm Plenty of meters and switches.... If you look at the old power station switchboard towards the end of that section, we are trying to save a similar unit from the scrap man from the next station down the river, they are both hydro-electric stations that we supplied new chargers to recently. The board in the pictures has been saved, and is now preserved in the visitor centre at the station. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jul 3 05:28:17 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:28:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio In-Reply-To: <008201c8dcac$e79c1270$0300a8c0@l2800> References: <008201c8dcac$e79c1270$0300a8c0@l2800> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080703081501.02e81eb0@pop3.wcoil.com> Yup, been there, Theres a nice Mexican restaurant downtown. Mark At 09:34 PM 7/2/08, you wrote: >Nevada, IA - go north out of Des Moines on I35 to Ames area, head east on >Hwy 30, it's just east of Ames a few minutes, about 45 minutes from here. > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Herreid >Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:07 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio > > >I will be travelling to Nevada Iowa (near Des Moines) and back home the week >of July 14 if I can help let me know. I will have room in the truck and can >store if needed. > >Ed Herreid >Trevor WI 53179> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:53:16 -0400> To: >sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: frappi at wcoil.com> Subject: [SEL] >Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio> > Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa >or Ohio> > Hi All , I just bought a Maytag aluminum tub washer in >Bloomington > Minnesota a suburb of Minneapolis. I need to arrange transport >for it to > Ohio or points east. It could also go south to Iowa or South >east to > Wisconsin or Illinois, I know people there who I could ask to >store or > might be able to complete transport further east. It is not a >restored > machine so theres no concern of damaging a paint finish. Just >protect from > breakage as would normally be done.> > Thank You, Mark> > > > >Mark & Christine Shulaw> Bluffton, Ohio> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com> Home >#419.358.5206> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL >mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_________________________________________________________________ >Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. >http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mob >ile_Zune_V3 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Jul 3 10:12:02 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:12:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New engines! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059077172C2@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20080524.231318.1904.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059071232BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059077172C2@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, I believe Tom Alexander in Iowa Falls makes Gade mufflers, I was told he also has the Gade Registry . He does quite a lot of different muffler castings and is always set up at Coolsprings in June. His phone is 641 648 4117> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:21:36 -0500> From: George_Best at adp.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] New engines!> > Last Friday I went to the auction at Moses Lake Washington. I had> picked out a few engines that I wanted to try for prior to the auction> and was lucky enough to come home with two of them.> > The first engine I got was a unknown engine. Actually, it still is> unknown! It is a 2 cycle engine, but not the mixed fuel type. Guessing> it is a 3 or 4hp engine, but have no way of really knowing until it has> been identified. I posted several pictures of it on Smokstak, but> haven't had a single response. I'm pretty sure it would run if I had a> usable buzz coil and got the engine fueled, oiled, and secured.> > The second engine I got is a 3hp Gade. I had to pass on bidding on a> few other engines to save my money for a try at the Gade. One of the> bad things of limited resources and one of the engines you really want> being at the end of the auction.> > Other than the paint job currently on the Gade I'm quite happy with it> and had it running the day after the auction. Really didn't need> anything except some fresh gas and to clean out the fuel line. Oh....> it also needed much lighter governor springs as it ran way too fast the> first time I started it up. Also put a muffler on it from one of my> other engines. That ported exhaust was a bit loud!> > Does anyone know if someone sells reproduction or original mufflers for> Gade engine?> > George> > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Watch ?Cause Effect,? a show about real people making a real difference. Learn more. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 3 19:13:57 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:13:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] the fourth of July Message-ID: <002501c8dd7b$9e5d2700$9501a8c0@LapTop> Happy Birthday USA Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jul 3 13:49:49 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:49:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] email address needed Message-ID: <001c01c8dd4e$5624d0a0$6f186d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guys , Does anyone have an email address for Brady Baker from Pendleton In as the on his classified ad simply bounces straight back. Thanks, Craig From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jul 3 21:27:33 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:27:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy 4th of July! Message-ID: <20080704042721.HKL27270.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> A Happy 4th of July to all of my engine collecting mates over there in the USA! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Jul 4 05:45:19 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:45:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy 4th of July! References: <20080704042721.HKL27270.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000901c8ddd3$d10542c0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Many thanks Patrick!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:27 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy 4th of July! >A Happy 4th of July to all of my engine collecting mates over there in the > USA! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jul 4 12:43:58 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:43:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy 4th of July! In-Reply-To: <20080704042721.HKL27270.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Patrick: Thanks for the greeting! I got out the 1897 Jack of All Trades and ran it for the first time in three years plus I'm gonna have the mighty Hoyt Clagwell in a local subdivision parade later today. Yeeeeeee Hawwwwww!............ BLAM, Poppety-Pop, Kerpow, KABLOOIE! (or sounds to that effect) Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:28 PM > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary > Engine Mailing List > Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy 4th of July! > > > A Happy 4th of July to all of my engine > collecting mates over there in the > USA! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Frank at lbpinc.com Sat Jul 5 11:44:52 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:44:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What trailers do on the 4th of July! Message-ID: <20080705184516.0CFFA57D3C@gw1.nlenet.net> It can hall a few nice engines but not on this day. http://lbpinc.com/one.jpg http://lbpinc.com/show-time.jpg Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From tilinghast at yahoo.com Sat Jul 5 12:14:16 2008 From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] What trailers do on the 4th of July! In-Reply-To: <20080705184516.0CFFA57D3C@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <799204.98414.qm@web62408.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Great pictures Frank. ? Dave. --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Frank DeWitt wrote: From: Frank DeWitt Subject: [SEL] What trailers do on the 4th of July! To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 2:44 PM It can hall a few nice engines but not on this day. http://lbpinc.com/one.jpg http://lbpinc.com/show-time.jpg Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at btes.tv Sat Jul 5 13:17:00 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 16:17:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What trailers do on the 4th of July! In-Reply-To: <20080705184516.0CFFA57D3C@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080705184516.0CFFA57D3C@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <7d6821cec4906d0fbcff6a6a273310cc@btes.tv> Now that's good use of a trailer! John On Jul 5, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Frank DeWitt wrote: > It can hall a few nice engines but not on this day. > http://lbpinc.com/one.jpg > http://lbpinc.com/show-time.jpg John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From endacomm10 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 5 20:36:46 2008 From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] What trailers do on the 4th of July! In-Reply-To: <20080705184516.0CFFA57D3C@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <728074.7091.qm@web51409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kool !!? Looks like a good time a brewing ! ? ? By the way, Who's the Cutie in Blue and white between the 4 red shirts ?? ? (Second Picture in case you are lost) --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Frank DeWitt wrote: From: Frank DeWitt Subject: [SEL] What trailers do on the 4th of July! To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 2:44 PM It can hall a few nice engines but not on this day. http://lbpinc.com/one.jpg http://lbpinc.com/show-time.jpg Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jul 5 11:25:39 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:25:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000601c8decc$870733f0$3f4a8bd4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> test From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Jul 5 21:55:36 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:55:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: In a message dated 7/5/2008 11:55:10 PM Central Daylight Time, benzengines at tiscali.co.uk writes: test working **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sat Jul 5 22:00:39 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:00:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000601c8decc$870733f0$3f4a8bd4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <009c01c8df25$3d4bf030$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Came thru here Lew near Waco, TX USA -----Original Message----- test _______________________________________________ From normanarch at iprimus.com.au Sun Jul 6 00:44:55 2008 From: normanarch at iprimus.com.au (Norman Archibald) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:44:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Masport Shiremaster 720 slasher Message-ID: <000a01c8df3c$2f5b8d20$0301a8c0@homekap6fuqhl9> Would anyone on the list have a copy of the operators manual for a Masport Shiremaster 720 slasher or know where I can lay my hands on one please. NormanA. From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Jul 6 07:55:03 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:55:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <009c01c8df25$3d4bf030$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: What was that again? I didn't hear it. > -----Original Message----- > > test From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 6 09:00:12 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:00:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 52, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Thanks for the greeting! I got out the 1897 Jack of All Trades and ran it for the first time in three years plus I'm gonna have the mighty Hoyt Clagwell in a local subdivision parade later today. Yeeeeeee Hawwwwww!............ BLAM, Poppety-Pop, Kerpow, KABLOOIE! (or sounds to that effect)" Elden - tape at eleven? Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Jul 6 14:13:45 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:13:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 52, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bruce: Nawww! I was gonna tape the Edwards engine I restored last year and to my disgust the camcorder is totally wasted. AND I ain't a-gonna get another one either! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Bruce > Younger > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:00 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 52, Issue 5 > > > > "Thanks for the greeting! I got out the 1897 Jack > of All Trades and ran it for the first time in > three years plus I'm gonna have the mighty Hoyt > Clagwell in a local subdivision parade later > today. Yeeeeeee Hawwwwww!............ BLAM, > Poppety-Pop, Kerpow, KABLOOIE! (or sounds to that effect)" > > Elden - tape at eleven? Bruce Younger From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jul 6 18:14:29 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 21:14:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <20080706.211522.592.2.jlb94@juno.com> I can't hear you. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ Forget the political hype and controversy: Global Warming is happening. (_o_) It is not caused by man and there is nothing man can do about it. On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:25:39 +0100 "craig morrison" writes: > test > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ____________________________________________________________ Start your medical billing career! Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ol4JdVOBSaHuGUzD13JlKRu1HfdIgqGi7fu9aWUhKR2pfZT/ From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 7 23:09:27 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 01:09:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera Message-ID: "Nawww! I was gonna tape the Edwards engine I restored last year and to my disgust the camcorder is totally wasted. AND I ain't a-gonna get another one either! Take care - Elden" Yeah, I got mine out the other day, and it doesn't have a picture on the screen, nor will it record one, but it will play back the old tapes. I'm getting tired of buying these things, too, and on reflection - I don't use them much. This one I used on a trip to Hawaii and my daughter's med school graduation. Haven't looked at either tape since just after the events. Can't remember using it for much else; has very few hours on it. I have had four, and all have failed after what I consider too little use.Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ The i?m Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 23:43:10 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:43:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com> On 08/07/2008, Bruce Younger wrote: > > "Nawww! I was gonna tape the Edwards engine I restored last year and to my > disgust the camcorder is totally wasted. AND I ain't a-gonna get another one > either! Take care - Elden" > > Yeah, I got mine out the other day, and it doesn't have a picture on the > screen, nor will it record one, but it will play back the old tapes. I'm > getting tired of buying these things, too, and on reflection - I don't use > them much. This one I used on a trip to Hawaii and my daughter's med school > graduation. Haven't looked at either tape since just after the events. > Can't remember using it for much else; has very few hours on it. I have had > four, and all have failed after what I consider too little use. With most still cameras offering some kind of video facility, and even mobile (cell) phones getting in on the act, it is probably only worth having a video camera if you want to be able to use all the various features and functions. We got our Sony video camera last year and use it a lot at shows and things like that, but like most devices it needs regular 'walkies' to keep it fit for purpose. It takes mini-DVD discs. It takes stills as well, so we now have a still camera that does videos and a video camera that does stills! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 7 23:46:00 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:46:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera References: Message-ID: <00b301c8e0c6$4a090270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I have a Fuji F1 and an F3 cameras. the chips are interchangeable. They take great short clips of what I need to record. Cost? not a lot. I use them constantly in the workshop, etc. I paid 4 times the price when I got the Sony Mavica. The clips off these are 100 times better. They fit in my shirt pocket. I am happy with them. Now, I wonder how much further the camera scene will progress in the NEXT 10 years? (I used to take pics with disposable cameras 10 years back. Then take em to the shop to be developed) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera "Nawww! I was gonna tape the Edwards engine I restored last year and to my disgust the camcorder is totally wasted. AND I ain't a-gonna get another one either! Take care - Elden" Yeah, I got mine out the other day, and it doesn't have a picture on the screen, nor will it record one, but it will play back the old tapes. I'm getting tired of buying these things, too, and on reflection - I don't use them much. This one I used on a trip to Hawaii and my daughter's med school graduation. Haven't looked at either tape since just after the events. Can't remember using it for much else; has very few hours on it. I have had four, and all have failed after what I consider too little use.Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ The i?m Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 00:11:42 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:11:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera In-Reply-To: <00b301c8e0c6$4a090270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <00b301c8e0c6$4a090270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160807080011i7902a786t9a8f3a2d53f85e04@mail.gmail.com> On 08/07/2008, R & M Ingold wrote: > Now, I wonder how much further the camera scene will progress in the NEXT 10 > years? We will all be using what today would be considered "studio-quality" equipment. I am looking at another (!) Sony camera, DSC-F828, similar to the one I currently use but better features. In real terms it is cheap to buy compared with the Contax/Zeiss equipment I bought in the early 1980's. I was at No1 son' s place the other day, and one of his partner's daughters was playing with one of the little pocket games machines. You couldn't have got those features and speed out of a mainframe computer in the 1970's! The only new thing that hasn't taken off here is Digital radio and TV, and with a recession on, the sets are not selling at all. We've got a Freeview digital set-top box but still use the old analogue TV. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 8 04:55:54 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 04:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <164616.6617.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> During the next couple years I need to get a video camera that will take a nice ten minute or less video and upload it onto youtube. There is something very exciting in the works at The Buckley Old Engine Show. Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Listerdiesel wrote: From: Listerdiesel Subject: Re: [SEL] wasted video camera To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 2:43 AM On 08/07/2008, Bruce Younger wrote: > > "Nawww! I was gonna tape the Edwards engine I restored last year and to my > disgust the camcorder is totally wasted. AND I ain't a-gonna get another one > either! Take care - Elden" > > Yeah, I got mine out the other day, and it doesn't have a picture on the > screen, nor will it record one, but it will play back the old tapes. I'm > getting tired of buying these things, too, and on reflection - I don't use > them much. This one I used on a trip to Hawaii and my daughter's med school > graduation. Haven't looked at either tape since just after the events. > Can't remember using it for much else; has very few hours on it. I have had > four, and all have failed after what I consider too little use. With most still cameras offering some kind of video facility, and even mobile (cell) phones getting in on the act, it is probably only worth having a video camera if you want to be able to use all the various features and functions. We got our Sony video camera last year and use it a lot at shows and things like that, but like most devices it needs regular 'walkies' to keep it fit for purpose. It takes mini-DVD discs. It takes stills as well, so we now have a still camera that does videos and a video camera that does stills! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 8 11:02:29 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:02:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled round bale buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 and 1000 pounders ) ANybody doing it right now ? Chuck From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 11:38:45 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:38:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera In-Reply-To: <164616.6617.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com> <164616.6617.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807081138x63e5e6c6r97f2838bc2f93daf@mail.gmail.com> On 08/07/2008, Alan wrote: > During the next couple years I need to get a video camera that will take a > nice ten minute or less video and upload it onto youtube. > There is something very exciting in the works at The Buckley Old Engine > Show. > > Alan in Michigan We've had mixed results from Youtube, but folks say that they are better at hosting videos nowadays than they were. If you're going to buy one, make sure it isn't a tape machine, only get either one of the DVD models or the all 'solid-state memory' types. I've got an 8gb CF card on my desk, that's enough for a whole lot of stills or videos, and the 'new' camera has CF AND Memory Stick slots and will take a microdrive in the CF slot. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From oldironnut at alltel.net Tue Jul 8 11:44:04 2008 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:44:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords In-Reply-To: <010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com> <010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled > round bale > buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 > and 1000 > pounders ) > ANybody doing it right now ? Chuck, I grew up with one of those damned things around our little ranch. The place was pretty deep in sand so it was tougher to pull stuff when it was dry than when it was wet. You've hit upon one of the problems with those tractors (the other being it's a Ford) in that they are pretty light in the rear end. Yes, it will probably do a good job for pulling around rolls of hay but I would suggest filling the rear tires with water to help weight the rear end down for better pulling traction. They're a good size for doing light work, do a pretty good job working a small (as in 5') brush hog mower and they will do an OK job working a blade if you are working with dirt that isn't too compacted (the lack of weight in the rear end problem again). One of the really annoying things on these tractors is that in the original configuration the exhaust goes to the rear of the tractor so you're in jeopardy of choking on fumes when you're hooking up equipment (mom and dad were more in favor of killing a few of my brain cells rather than spending the money to port the exhaust up). See ya', Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at alltel.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Jul 8 13:15:49 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:15:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> Message-ID: Loading the rear tires does help. Up here in Northern New England the Tractor shops used a Sodium Chloride solution in the tires, it was heavier than just water and didn't freeze in the winter. I also remember see some of the old 8n and 9n's with a 55 gal barrel chained up on the three point with rocks in it. Jim Kangas ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Michael Tucker Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 2:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled > round bale > buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 > and 1000 > pounders ) > ANybody doing it right now ? Chuck, I grew up with one of those damned things around our little ranch. The place was pretty deep in sand so it was tougher to pull stuff when it was dry than when it was wet. You've hit upon one of the problems with those tractors (the other being it's a Ford) in that they are pretty light in the rear end. Yes, it will probably do a good job for pulling around rolls of hay but I would suggest filling the rear tires with water to help weight the rear end down for better pulling traction. They're a good size for doing light work, do a pretty good job working a small (as in 5') brush hog mower and they will do an OK job working a blade if you are working with dirt that isn't too compacted (the lack of weight in the rear end problem again). One of the really annoying things on these tractors is that in the original configuration the exhaust goes to the rear of the tractor so you're in jeopardy of choking on fumes when you're hooking up equipment (mom and dad were more in favor of killing a few of my brain cells rather than spending the money to port the exhaust up). See ya', Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at alltel.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Jul 8 13:39:10 2008 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:39:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com> <010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> Message-ID: <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> I haven't owned an 8n but I did have a Jubilee and it was worthless here in the Ozarks. It had nice small hydraulic loader on the front and would carry anything down hill that the brakes would stop, but I couldn't bring anything up hill. It would just set there and spin the rear wheels. Around here if you want to carry anything up hill in the front loader a 4 wd is required. I had the tires loaded with anti-freeze and carried a 50 gal drum filled with water on the 3 pt hitch carry all. It still wouldn't carry a bucket load of dirt up hill. For me it wasn't a question of getting stuck when it was wet, but getting stuck at the bottom of the hill when it was dry. Gary On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > Loading the rear tires does help. Up here in Northern New England the > Tractor shops used a Sodium Chloride solution in the tires, it was heavier > than just water and didn't freeze in the winter. I also remember see some of > the old 8n and 9n's with a 55 gal barrel chained up on the three point with > rocks in it. > > Jim Kangas > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Michael Tucker > Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 2:44 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords > > > > > On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > > Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled > > round bale > > buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 > > and 1000 > > pounders ) > > ANybody doing it right now ? > > Chuck, > > I grew up with one of those damned things around our little ranch. > The place was pretty deep in sand so it was tougher to pull stuff when > it was dry than when it was wet. You've hit upon one of the problems > with those tractors (the other being it's a Ford) in that they are > pretty light in the rear end. Yes, it will probably do a good job for > pulling around rolls of hay but I would suggest filling the rear tires > with water to help weight the rear end down for better pulling > traction. They're a good size for doing light work, do a pretty good > job working a small (as in 5') brush hog mower and they will do an OK > job working a blade if you are working with dirt that isn't too > compacted (the lack of weight in the rear end problem again). One of > the really annoying things on these tractors is that in the original > configuration the exhaust goes to the rear of the tractor so you're in > jeopardy of choking on fumes when you're hooking up equipment (mom and > dad were more in favor of killing a few of my brain cells rather than > spending the money to port the exhaust up). > > See ya', > Mike > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at alltel.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jul 8 14:14:02 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:14:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] lunkenhiemer/webster bracket Message-ID: <002501c8e13f$8c488010$1e996e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi, Does anyone know how to contact Brady Baker ( emails just bounce back telephone presently appears to be on answer phone) about new lunkenhiemers , or is there anyone else who stocks them that would be attending Portland as I need a 1" right hand one. To help me complete another project I need a Webster bracket number A303M56 to fit a 1 1/2 hp Termaat-Mona han / Wiscona Pep, does anyone have or know where I might be able to source one of these brackets. Cheers, Craig in Scotland From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Jul 8 17:16:45 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:16:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> I was going to stay out of this, for I am no expert. I owned a 1948 8N, front distributor. I had it for 16 years, and after original overhaul never did more to it. I lived in TN and had a good hill or two. In my part of TN, a lot of people backed up the hills when the had a load. Greatest little tractor I ever owned for bush hogging, plowing (2-14) mowing , raking and so on. My son just bought a jubilee, with a loader, so far so good. It moves 500 lb bales on rear with no problem. Now the beginning question, will it pull a 750-1000 lb load around?? ... Let's put it this way, would you put that kind of load behind a 20 hp lawn tractor?? If so go for it. Paul Waugh - IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords >I haven't owned an 8n but I did have a Jubilee and it was worthless here in > the Ozarks. It had nice small hydraulic loader on the front and would > carry > anything down hill that the brakes would stop, but I couldn't bring > anything > up hill. It would just set there and spin the rear wheels. Around here > if > you want to carry anything up hill in the front loader a 4 wd is required. > I had the tires loaded with anti-freeze and carried a 50 gal drum filled > with water on the 3 pt hitch carry all. It still wouldn't carry a bucket > load of dirt up hill. For me it wasn't a question of getting stuck when > it > was wet, but getting stuck at the bottom of the hill when it was dry. > > Gary > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Kangas, James G. > wrote: > >> Loading the rear tires does help. Up here in Northern New England the >> Tractor shops used a Sodium Chloride solution in the tires, it was >> heavier >> than just water and didn't freeze in the winter. I also remember see some >> of >> the old 8n and 9n's with a 55 gal barrel chained up on the three point >> with >> rocks in it. >> >> Jim Kangas >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Michael Tucker >> Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 2:44 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: >> > Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled >> > round bale >> > buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 >> > and 1000 >> > pounders ) >> > ANybody doing it right now ? >> >> Chuck, >> >> I grew up with one of those damned things around our little ranch. >> The place was pretty deep in sand so it was tougher to pull stuff when >> it was dry than when it was wet. You've hit upon one of the problems >> with those tractors (the other being it's a Ford) in that they are >> pretty light in the rear end. Yes, it will probably do a good job for >> pulling around rolls of hay but I would suggest filling the rear tires >> with water to help weight the rear end down for better pulling >> traction. They're a good size for doing light work, do a pretty good >> job working a small (as in 5') brush hog mower and they will do an OK >> job working a blade if you are working with dirt that isn't too >> compacted (the lack of weight in the rear end problem again). One of >> the really annoying things on these tractors is that in the original >> configuration the exhaust goes to the rear of the tractor so you're in >> jeopardy of choking on fumes when you're hooking up equipment (mom and >> dad were more in favor of killing a few of my brain cells rather than >> spending the money to port the exhaust up). >> >> See ya', >> Mike >> ______________________ >> Michael Tucker >> oldironnut at alltel.net >> Versailles, Kentucky, USA >> ______________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or >> entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please >> do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to >> others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, >> and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The >> Timken Corporation >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jul 8 19:27:08 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:27:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au> Message-ID: <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi All I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a few points. 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How many thou. do I allow.? 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing where the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the end, I guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would you try and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a spiral directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who cares it will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining also. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical R&V when I finally think of the format I want to use at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>Hi Peter > > Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most > suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. > Composition: > SN - Tin 88.20% > AG - Silver 0.10% > CD - Cadmium 1.00% > CU - Copper 3.05% > NI - Nickel 0 .15% > SB - Antimony 7.50% > > More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. > If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD, ID > & length finish machining. > Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. > > Regards > Ian Hill. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Jul 8 19:49:11 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turnere) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:49:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au> <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> Peter, I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS Jackson Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to you for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought about a ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the guy an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are very pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > Hi All > I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a few > points. > > 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The > crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How many > thou. do I allow.? > 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing > where > the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The > bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the end, > I > guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would you > try > and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a spiral > directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who cares > it > will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining > also. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm > There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical R&V > when I finally think of the format I want to use at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm > > > The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit > pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > >>>Hi Peter >> >> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most >> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >> Composition: >> SN - Tin 88.20% >> AG - Silver 0.10% >> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >> CU - Copper 3.05% >> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >> SB - Antimony 7.50% >> >> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD, ID >> & length finish machining. >> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >> >> Regards >> Ian Hill. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 > 7:50 PM > > > From jbcast at charter.net Tue Jul 8 20:21:10 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:21:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <20080708232110.3MZ09.52011.root@fepweb14> - > Peter, > I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS Jackson > Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to you > for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought about a > ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the guy > an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one > cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are very > pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY Tommy, If you could bring 9lbs to Portland I'd like to buy it. I have some I bought when Nadler Foundry went out of business, and odds and ends bars of which I don't know the composition. J.B. Castagnos From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Jul 8 21:00:53 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:00:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au> <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <487437F5.9070701@rustic-engines.com> Tommy, have I missed something. I notice you have placed an "e" at the end of Turner and "capitalized" the "l" in your address. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turnere wrote: > Peter, > I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS Jackson > Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to you > for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought about a > ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the guy > an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one > cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are very > pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jul 8 22:32:25 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:32:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au> <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <89CFB2A0-03B6-41FD-B68D-4F51ABDFE327@rustyiron.com> On Jul 8, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. > The crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. > How many thou. do I allow.? Hey bro, While I'm sure there are numbers that will directly answer your question, I would attack it from another angle. Using bluing and a scraper, keep taking off material until the shaft turns without appreciable drag. > 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the > bearing where the oil comes through and is there a need for one on > the bottom. Don't put the groove on the area that gets the most force on the power stroke. In your case, the groove should be at the top. In this situation, I've seen some that are X shaped, and some that are a straight line perpendicular to the rotation. Regardless, the groove should not go to the ends of the bearing. That would allow the oil to flow right out, rather than forming a cushion within the bearing. I wouldn't bother to direct the oil back into the middle, it will get oil drips no matter what you do. Use your judgement here and you'll be fine. > You might say, who cares it will not be run that often, but it is an > exercise for me in machining also. ???What??? You mean you're going to rebuild it with the intention of not running it??? The Brothers Koori can fix things that don't work afterwards. If we don't get to see a youtube of that engine running in the near future, we Americans are going to want our National Heritage returned to our shores. Adios! From endacomm10 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 9 01:15:53 2008 From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 01:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <400315.78095.qm@web51410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Shouldn't that be Calcuim Chloride ??? --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 4:15 PM Loading the rear tires does help. Up here in Northern New England the Tractor shops used a Sodium Chloride solution in the tires, it was heavier than just water and didn't freeze in the winter. I also remember see some of the old 8n and 9n's with a 55 gal barrel chained up on the three point with rocks in it. Jim Kangas ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Michael Tucker Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 2:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled > round bale > buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 > and 1000 > pounders ) > ANybody doing it right now ? Chuck, I grew up with one of those damned things around our little ranch. The place was pretty deep in sand so it was tougher to pull stuff when it was dry than when it was wet. You've hit upon one of the problems with those tractors (the other being it's a Ford) in that they are pretty light in the rear end. Yes, it will probably do a good job for pulling around rolls of hay but I would suggest filling the rear tires with water to help weight the rear end down for better pulling traction. They're a good size for doing light work, do a pretty good job working a small (as in 5') brush hog mower and they will do an OK job working a blade if you are working with dirt that isn't too compacted (the lack of weight in the rear end problem again). One of the really annoying things on these tractors is that in the original configuration the exhaust goes to the rear of the tractor so you're in jeopardy of choking on fumes when you're hooking up equipment (mom and dad were more in favor of killing a few of my brain cells rather than spending the money to port the exhaust up). See ya', Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at alltel.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation_______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jul 9 04:29:42 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:29:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <487437F5.9070701@rustic-engines.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au> <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> <487437F5.9070701@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <4874A126.9020702@scrtc.com> Al, I made a change in my email settings and one was an error. There shouldn't be an "e" at the end of my name. That was a slip of the key on the computer. The capital "L" I've done as a lot of people thing its a "one" and not an "L". My laptop crashed and I lost all my settings. As a result, I've had to re-enter a lot of info to get it going again. If my other computer is used it may still have the small "L" in the name. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Al Harris wrote: >Tommy, > >have I missed something. > >I notice you have placed an "e" at the end of Turner and "capitalized" >the "l" in your address. > >Cheers, > >Al Harris >Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > >al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > >Judge Tommy Turnere wrote: > > >>Peter, >> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS Jackson >>Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to you >>for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought about a >>ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the guy >>an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one >>cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are very >>pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >> >>http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 9 04:59:29 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 04:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I've got a project going that has bolts, nuts and washers that aren't "zinc" or "galvanized". They are black. Best I can tell is they are zinc phosphate (not phosphate and oil) They actually held up as well as if not better than the silver plated bolts and nuts in the same areas. I'd like to get the SAME look - the flat black of the zinc-phosphate and not use the silver/zinc plated bolts. Some are special - flange nuts, thick washers, etc. Is there a way I can do this at home? Please don't suggest paint - paint chips when you wrench and adjust things. I have a plating kit and the silver colored bolts and such that you can't get at a hardware store I use electrolysis, media blast, soak in Fast Etch (removes remaining rust and leaves a phosphate coating) then tin/zinc plate them. They turn out like new except for the roughness from rust pitting in areas. In short, looking for a good way to restore the flat black look of zinc phosphate bolt and nut and washer finishes. Bill (My next project - redo a maytag twin I have with black krinkle powdercoating!) From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 9 05:29:26 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:29:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net><375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com><004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <005001c8e1bf$6ddd4540$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> www.birchwoodcasey.com sells low temp black oxide kits. That should be what you are looking for. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes > I've got a project going that has bolts, nuts and washers that aren't > "zinc" or "galvanized". They are black. Best I can tell is they are zinc > phosphate (not phosphate and oil) > They actually held up as well as if not better than the silver plated > bolts and nuts in the same areas. > I'd like to get the SAME look - the flat black of the zinc-phosphate and > not use the silver/zinc plated bolts. > Some are special - flange nuts, thick washers, etc. > Is there a way I can do this at home? > Please don't suggest paint - paint chips when you wrench and adjust > things. > > I have a plating kit and the silver colored bolts and such that you can't > get at a hardware store I use electrolysis, media blast, soak in Fast Etch > (removes remaining rust and leaves a phosphate coating) then tin/zinc > plate them. They turn out like new except for the roughness from rust > pitting in areas. > > In short, looking for a good way to restore the flat black look of zinc > phosphate bolt and nut and washer finishes. > > Bill > > (My next project - redo a maytag twin I have with black krinkle > powdercoating!) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From martinstevens at telkomsa.net Wed Jul 9 05:32:51 2008 From: martinstevens at telkomsa.net (Martin Stevens) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:32:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <20080709123300.4C15830288A@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Speak to a galvanizing shop. The shop we have locally galvanize the spares as per usual, and then optionally dip it in one of two chemical solutions. The one being "black passivation" and the other "yellow passivation". (The yellow is the type you get typically on alternator fans and brackets inside your car engine compartment.) The black is...well.....black. The colour "stains" the galvanizing, so there is nothing to wear or chip. Great stuff! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: 09 July 2008 01:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes I've got a project going that has bolts, nuts and washers that aren't "zinc" or "galvanized". They are black. Best I can tell is they are zinc phosphate (not phosphate and oil) They actually held up as well as if not better than the silver plated bolts and nuts in the same areas. I'd like to get the SAME look - the flat black of the zinc-phosphate and not use the silver/zinc plated bolts. Some are special - flange nuts, thick washers, etc. Is there a way I can do this at home? Please don't suggest paint - paint chips when you wrench and adjust things. I have a plating kit and the silver colored bolts and such that you can't get at a hardware store I use electrolysis, media blast, soak in Fast Etch (removes remaining rust and leaves a phosphate coating) then tin/zinc plate them. They turn out like new except for the roughness from rust pitting in areas. In short, looking for a good way to restore the flat black look of zinc phosphate bolt and nut and washer finishes. Bill (My next project - redo a maytag twin I have with black krinkle powdercoating!) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Jul 9 11:49:30 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:49:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords References: <400315.78095.qm@web51410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes you're right.I was thinking back nearly 30 years and since I can't always remember what I had for breakfast I guess I should have thought about it alittle harder :) Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of S. Work Sent: Wed 7/9/2008 4:15 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords Shouldn't that be Calcuim Chloride ?? --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 4:15 PM Loading the rear tires does help. Up here in Northern New England the Tractor shops used a Sodium Chloride solution in the tires, it was heavier than just water and didn't freeze in the winter. I also remember see some of the old 8n and 9n's with a 55 gal barrel chained up on the three point with rocks in it. Jim Kangas ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Michael Tucker Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 2:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled > round bale > buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 > and 1000 > pounders ) > ANybody doing it right now ? Chuck, I grew up with one of those damned things around our little ranch. The place was pretty deep in sand so it was tougher to pull stuff when it was dry than when it was wet. You've hit upon one of the problems with those tractors (the other being it's a Ford) in that they are pretty light in the rear end. Yes, it will probably do a good job for pulling around rolls of hay but I would suggest filling the rear tires with water to help weight the rear end down for better pulling traction. They're a good size for doing light work, do a pretty good job working a small (as in 5') brush hog mower and they will do an OK job working a blade if you are working with dirt that isn't too compacted (the lack of weight in the rear end problem again). One of the really annoying things on these tractors is that in the original configuration the exhaust goes to the rear of the tractor so you're in jeopardy of choking on fumes when you're hooking up equipment (mom and dad were more in favor of killing a few of my brain cells rather than spending the money to port the exhaust up). See ya', Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at alltel.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation_______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at btes.tv Wed Jul 9 12:35:19 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:35:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <94516fe63acc988907cab64a9c0efe76@btes.tv> I quite accidentally found that if you dissolve steel wool in muriatic acid till it quits bubbling and leaves an excess of steel wool, making a pretty green solution of ferrous chloride, and touch this solution to bright zinc plated bolts, they will almost instantly turn a deep black. Rinse them quickly as the iron chloride is very corrosive if left. John On Jul 9, 2008, at 7:59 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I've got a project going that has bolts, nuts and washers that aren't > "zinc" or "galvanized". They are black. Best I can tell is they are > zinc > phosphate (not phosphate and oil) > They actually held up as well as if not better than the silver plated > bolts and nuts in the same areas. > I'd like to get the SAME look - the flat black of the zinc-phosphate > and > not use the silver/zinc plated bolts. > Some are special - flange nuts, thick washers, etc. > Is there a way I can do this at home? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 9 13:04:51 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <94516fe63acc988907cab64a9c0efe76@btes.tv> References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <94516fe63acc988907cab64a9c0efe76@btes.tv> Message-ID: <3113.165.206.180.192.1215633891.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Really??!!!? Wow. Now, could I replate my now black but rusty bolts with the tin/zinc plating from Eastwood www.eastwoodco.com) and then dip them into such a solution to turn them black? Bill > I quite accidentally found that if you dissolve steel wool in muriatic > acid till it quits bubbling and leaves an excess of steel wool, making > a pretty green solution of ferrous chloride, and touch this solution to > bright zinc plated bolts, they will almost instantly turn a deep black. > Rinse them quickly as the iron chloride is very corrosive if left. > > John > > On Jul 9, 2008, at 7:59 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >> I've got a project going that has bolts, nuts and washers that aren't >> "zinc" or "galvanized". They are black. Best I can tell is they are >> zinc >> phosphate (not phosphate and oil) >> They actually held up as well as if not better than the silver plated >> bolts and nuts in the same areas. >> I'd like to get the SAME look - the flat black of the zinc-phosphate >> and >> not use the silver/zinc plated bolts. >> Some are special - flange nuts, thick washers, etc. >> Is there a way I can do this at home? > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Jul 9 13:37:36 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:37:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <4874A126.9020702@scrtc.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au> <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> <487437F5.9070701@rustic-engines.com> <4874A126.9020702@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <48752190.5030706@rustic-engines.com> Tommy, ain't computers fun? :-P If I may approach the bench ... I have Desktop and Notebook, and I have their settings arranged so that I can transfer their bookmarks, address book and email and news group data between them, which works well for backup. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Al, > I made a change in my email settings and one was an error. There > shouldn't be an "e" at the end of my name. That was a slip of the key > on the computer. The capital "L" I've done as a lot of people thing its > a "one" and not an "L". My laptop crashed and I lost all my settings. > As a result, I've had to re-enter a lot of info to get it going again. > If my other computer is used it may still have the small "L" in the name. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > Al Harris wrote: > > >> Tommy, >> >> have I missed something. >> >> I notice you have placed an "e" at the end of Turner and "capitalized" >> the "l" in your address. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Judge Tommy Turnere wrote: >> >> >> >>> Peter, >>> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS Jackson >>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to you >>> for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought about a >>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the guy >>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one >>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are very >>> pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >>> >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 9 14:08:51 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:08:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/2008 10:31:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, plowe at exemail.com.au writes: 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How many thou. do I allow.? Peter, I have always heard a good rule of thumb is .001/inch of diameter for mains and rod bearings on the old engines. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germaoamer at AOL.com **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From johnculp at btes.tv Wed Jul 9 15:36:03 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:36:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <3113.165.206.180.192.1215633891.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <94516fe63acc988907cab64a9c0efe76@btes.tv> <3113.165.206.180.192.1215633891.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Only way I know to find out is try it. The blackened bolts on my engine cart eventually rusted a nice red-brown. John On Jul 9, 2008, at 4:04 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Really??!!!? Wow. > Now, could I replate my now black but rusty bolts with the tin/zinc > plating from Eastwood www.eastwoodco.com) and then dip them into such a > solution to turn them black? > > Bill > >> I quite accidentally found that if you dissolve steel wool in muriatic >> acid till it quits bubbling and leaves an excess of steel wool, making >> a pretty green solution of ferrous chloride, and touch this solution >> to >> bright zinc plated bolts, they will almost instantly turn a deep >> black. >> Rinse them quickly as the iron chloride is very corrosive if left. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From obise at moscow.com Wed Jul 9 15:37:38 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:37:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <94516fe63acc988907cab64a9c0efe76@btes.tv> Message-ID: <200807092237.m69MbmYQ059372@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you for the tip. I've gotta try that one, right away. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 12:35 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes I quite accidentally found that if you dissolve steel wool in muriatic acid till it quits bubbling and leaves an excess of steel wool, making a pretty green solution of ferrous chloride, and touch this solution to bright zinc plated bolts, they will almost instantly turn a deep black. Rinse them quickly as the iron chloride is very corrosive if left. John On Jul 9, 2008, at 7:59 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I've got a project going that has bolts, nuts and washers that aren't > "zinc" or "galvanized". They are black. Best I can tell is they are > zinc > phosphate (not phosphate and oil) > They actually held up as well as if not better than the silver plated > bolts and nuts in the same areas. > I'd like to get the SAME look - the flat black of the zinc-phosphate > and > not use the silver/zinc plated bolts. > Some are special - flange nuts, thick washers, etc. > Is there a way I can do this at home? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at btes.tv Wed Jul 9 17:20:04 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:20:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <200807092237.m69MbmYQ059372@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200807092237.m69MbmYQ059372@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <187db4a85af95e54544d7006bfa08ece@btes.tv> One more thing: Some blackened bolts are that way because of heat treatment with quenching in oil or a mixture of water and soluble oil that left a coating of scorched oil. Hard to duplicate that without changing the heat treatment in the process. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jul 10 00:09:36 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:09:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Model A Ford Pics Message-ID: <20080710070928.TMYL2630.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Finally getting a new Web authoring setup going on the MacBook Pro rather than the old PC. My first attempt is at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/modela08/index.htm The pictures were taken at the Model A Ford National Rally held in Bathurst a few months ago. Let me know if there is anything really weird (apart from me) in the pages. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 10 05:39:25 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Model A Ford Pics In-Reply-To: <20080710070928.TMYL2630.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080710070928.TMYL2630.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <3804.165.206.180.192.1215693565.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> WOW, love it! Thanks! Bill > Finally getting a new Web authoring setup going on the MacBook Pro rather > than the old PC. > My first attempt is at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/modela08/index.htm > > The pictures were taken at the Model A Ford National Rally held in > Bathurst > a few months ago. Let me know if there is anything really weird (apart > from > me) in the pages. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Jul 10 05:56:48 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:56:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Model A Ford Pics Message-ID: <380-220087410125648312@coastalnet.com> Great pics, Patrick! Never saw so many right hand drive Fords in one place before. I especially like the last image :-) Thanks for sharing. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Patrick M Livingstone > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List ; Stationary Engine Mailing List > Date: 7/10/2008 3:09:30 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT: Model A Ford Pics > > Finally getting a new Web authoring setup going on the MacBook Pro rather > than the old PC. > My first attempt is at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/modela08/index.htm > > The pictures were taken at the Model A Ford National Rally held in Bathurst > a few months ago. Let me know if there is anything really weird (apart from > me) in the pages. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jul 10 06:21:35 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:21:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine help wanted please Message-ID: <004401c8e28f$ef4200a0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi All I have started in earnest in the restoration of my vertical 2hp R&V engine, yes yes yes I know it is about time. I finally pickup up the flywheels and crankshaft from my mates engineering shop last week, he has done a great job. I have a question to those who have verticals or those who have seen them. My head has a bolt and lock nut protruding from the head that goes into the ignitor chamber. I do not think it should be there, as far as I know this model does not have a primer cup like some other models have. Can anyone help or do I plug the hole.? Have a look here at my head: http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_head.htm Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 12:43:06 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:43:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Lawrence C Gallogly Collection Auction - Decatur IN 19th August Message-ID: <6f6025160807101243p48d4d004ma62a80e9b5c25c44@mail.gmail.com> Notice in this quarter's ACMOC club Magazine (Issue 80) for the estate sale of the late Lawrence C Gallogly collection, said to include some rare hit & miss engines, bulldozers, tractors scale model engines etc etc. Auctioneers: Dave Myers, http://www.adamscountyauctions.com 260 724 8899 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Jul 10 13:14:14 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:14:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine help wanted please In-Reply-To: <004401c8e28f$ef4200a0$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <004401c8e28f$ef4200a0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <48766D96.5020604@rustic-engines.com> Your head has been operated on mate. A bloody good job it was too. There is actually a bolt missing that would facilitate a big blue spark. HTH > http://bp3.blogger.com/_69km-8uSF40/RoJdSbySqjI/AAAAAAAAAIw/V6dcRJXRISs/s1600-h/bolt_head.png Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi All > > I have started in earnest in the restoration of my vertical 2hp R&V engine, > yes yes yes I know it is about time. > I finally pickup up the flywheels and crankshaft from my mates engineering > shop last week, he has done a great job. > I have a question to those who have verticals or those who have seen them. > My head has a bolt and lock nut protruding from the head that goes into the > ignitor chamber. I do not think it should be there, as far as I know this > model does not have a primer cup like some other models have. > Can anyone help or do I plug the hole.? > Have a look here at my head: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_head.htm > > > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jul 10 15:50:05 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:50:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine help wanted please In-Reply-To: <004401c8e28f$ef4200a0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: Peter: Could the bolt be plugging an added 10mm spark plug hole? Looks about the right size. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 08:22 AM > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] R&V engine help wanted please > > > Hi All > > I have started in earnest in the restoration of > my vertical 2hp R&V engine, > yes yes yes I know it is about time. > I finally pickup up the flywheels and crankshaft > from my mates engineering > shop last week, he has done a great job. > I have a question to those who have verticals or > those who have seen them. > My head has a bolt and lock nut protruding from > the head that goes into the > ignitor chamber. I do not think it should be > there, as far as I know this > model does not have a primer cup like some other > models have. > Can anyone help or do I plug the hole.? > Have a look here at my head: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/ my_head.htm Regards Peter Lowe http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jul 10 16:19:51 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:19:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine help wanted please References: Message-ID: <002101c8e2e3$747a3a00$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi Elden There was a spark plug plate made up instead of the ignitor that I took off, it could have been an earlier attempt at spark plug ignition. Not by R&V though, by our Argentinean friends. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Peter: > > Could the bolt be plugging an added 10mm spark plug hole? Looks about the > right size. > > Take care - Elden > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Peter Lowe >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 08:22 AM >> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org >> Subject: [SEL] R&V engine help wanted please >> >> >> Hi All >> >> I have started in earnest in the restoration of >> my vertical 2hp R&V engine, >> yes yes yes I know it is about time. >> I finally pickup up the flywheels and crankshaft >> from my mates engineering >> shop last week, he has done a great job. >> I have a question to those who have verticals or >> those who have seen them. >> My head has a bolt and lock nut protruding from >> the head that goes into the >> ignitor chamber. I do not think it should be >> there, as far as I know this >> model does not have a primer cup like some other >> models have. >> Can anyone help or do I plug the hole.? >> Have a look here at my head: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/ > my_head.htm > > > > Regards > Peter Lowe > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jul 10 18:00:24 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:00:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V primer cup Message-ID: <000701c8e2f1$cdc821e0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all Well, I should have tackled this tiny job before asking the opinion of both List members and R&V Register Members, but my question brought a lot to light, as it usually does. Looks like R&V verticals do have primer cups, not all but some models, as well as another strange anomaly that I will mention in due course. If you look at this link you can see what I have done. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_head.htm Who has the best range of primer cups to choose from? Thanks to those who replied, your a great bunch as usual. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 10 18:27:05 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:27:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT: Model A Ford Pics Message-ID: WOW! Great pics --and thanks! Stan Zettner (old engines) Pleasanton, Texas USA **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 10 18:44:52 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:44:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. delivered. I know I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've read says to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will need several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have remaining, but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house building up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( Maybe if you still have it next year... Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > Peter, > I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS Jackson > Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to > you > for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought about > a > ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the > guy > an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one > cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are > very > pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM > Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > >> Hi All >> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a few >> points. >> >> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The >> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How many >> thou. do I allow.? >> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing >> where >> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The >> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the end, >> I >> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would you >> try >> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a spiral >> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who cares >> it >> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining >> also. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical >> R&V >> when I finally think of the format I want to use at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >> >> >> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit >> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> Ph: 61-266453455 >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> >> >>>>Hi Peter >>> >>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most >>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >>> Composition: >>> SN - Tin 88.20% >>> AG - Silver 0.10% >>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >>> CU - Copper 3.05% >>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >>> >>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD, >>> ID >>> & length finish machining. >>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >>> >>> Regards >>> Ian Hill. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 >> 7:50 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 10 19:04:04 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:04:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> <026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: Rick, Will you be at Portland? I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod Project if so. You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod Foundation for it. Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can allow a "documented price" as the donation price to be used. So, since I'll be delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine Foundation" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. delivered. I know > I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods > someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've read > says > to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will need > several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. > > I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have > remaining, > but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house > building > up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( > > Maybe if you still have it next year... > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Foundation > "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-272-4089 > www.todengine.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > >> Peter, >> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS >> Jackson >> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to >> you >> for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought >> about >> a >> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the >> guy >> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one >> cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are >> very >> pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Lowe" >> To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM >> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >>> Hi All >>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a >>> few >>> points. >>> >>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The >>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How many >>> thou. do I allow.? >>> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing >>> where >>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The >>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the >>> end, >>> I >>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would you >>> try >>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a >>> spiral >>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who >>> cares >>> it >>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining >>> also. >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical >>> R&V >>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at: >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >>> >>> >>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit >>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >>> >>> Regards >>> Peter Lowe >>> R&V Engine Registrar >>> Australia >>> Ph: 61-266453455 >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>> >>> >>> >>>>>Hi Peter >>>> >>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most >>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >>>> Composition: >>>> SN - Tin 88.20% >>>> AG - Silver 0.10% >>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >>>> CU - Copper 3.05% >>>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >>>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >>>> >>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD, >>>> ID >>>> & length finish machining. >>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Ian Hill. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 >>> 7:50 PM >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: 7/10/2008 > 6:43 PM > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 10 19:50:16 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:50:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> <026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: Hi Tommy and Rick, If Rick will not be at Portland I can haul it back to PA with me. I'm 90 miles from Youngstown, so I'm sure we can figure out a way to get it there! Dave On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Rick, > Will you be at Portland? I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod > Project if so. You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod > Foundation > for it. Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can > allow a > "documented price" as the donation price to be used. So, since I'll > be > delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tod Engine Foundation" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > >> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. >> delivered. I know >> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods >> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've >> read >> says >> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will >> need >> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. >> >> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have >> remaining, >> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house >> building >> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( >> >> Maybe if you still have it next year... >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Executive Director >> Tod Engine Foundation >> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" >> 2261 Hubbard Road >> Youngstown, OH 44505 >> 330-272-4089 >> www.todengine.org >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >>> Peter, >>> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS >>> Jackson >>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell >>> it to >>> you >>> for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought >>> about >>> a >>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I >>> made the >>> guy >>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks >>> for one >>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used >>> it are >>> very >>> pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >>> >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peter Lowe" >>> To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >>> >>> >>>> Hi All >>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to >>>> clarify a >>>> few >>>> points. >>>> >>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing >>>> ID. The >>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. >>>> How many >>>> thou. do I allow.? >>>> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the >>>> bearing >>>> where >>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. >>>> The >>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around >>>> the >>>> end, >>>> I >>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. >>>> Would you >>>> try >>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a >>>> spiral >>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who >>>> cares >>>> it >>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in >>>> machining >>>> also. >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the >>>> vertical >>>> R&V >>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at: >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, >>>> I bit >>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Peter Lowe >>>> R&V Engine Registrar >>>> Australia >>>> Ph: 61-266453455 >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi Peter >>>>> >>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is >>>>> most >>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >>>>> Composition: >>>>> SN - Tin 88.20% >>>>> AG - Silver 0.10% >>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >>>>> CU - Copper 3.05% >>>>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >>>>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >>>>> >>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance >>>>> for OD, >>>>> ID >>>>> & length finish machining. >>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Ian Hill. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: >>>> 7/8/2008 >>>> 7:50 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: >> 7/10/2008 >> 6:43 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 10 19:57:47 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:57:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: Sounds good Dave. I'll load some up and bring with me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > Hi Tommy and Rick, If Rick will not be at Portland I can haul it back > to PA with me. I'm 90 miles from Youngstown, so I'm sure we can figure > out a way to get it there! > Dave > > On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Rick, >> Will you be at Portland? I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod >> Project if so. You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod >> Foundation >> for it. Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can >> allow a >> "documented price" as the donation price to be used. So, since I'll >> be >> delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. >>> delivered. I know >>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods >>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've >>> read >>> says >>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will >>> need >>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. >>> >>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have >>> remaining, >>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house >>> building >>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( >>> >>> Maybe if you still have it next year... >>> >>> Rick Rowlands >>> Executive Director >>> Tod Engine Foundation >>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" >>> 2261 Hubbard Road >>> Youngstown, OH 44505 >>> 330-272-4089 >>> www.todengine.org >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >>> >>> >>>> Peter, >>>> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS >>>> Jackson >>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell >>>> it to >>>> you >>>> for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought >>>> about >>>> a >>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I >>>> made the >>>> guy >>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks >>>> for one >>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used >>>> it are >>>> very >>>> pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >>>> >>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Peter Lowe" >>>> To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM >>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi All >>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to >>>>> clarify a >>>>> few >>>>> points. >>>>> >>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing >>>>> ID. The >>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. >>>>> How many >>>>> thou. do I allow.? >>>>> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the >>>>> bearing >>>>> where >>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. >>>>> The >>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around >>>>> the >>>>> end, >>>>> I >>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. >>>>> Would you >>>>> try >>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a >>>>> spiral >>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who >>>>> cares >>>>> it >>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in >>>>> machining >>>>> also. >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the >>>>> vertical >>>>> R&V >>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at: >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, >>>>> I bit >>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Peter Lowe >>>>> R&V Engine Registrar >>>>> Australia >>>>> Ph: 61-266453455 >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is >>>>>> most >>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >>>>>> Composition: >>>>>> SN - Tin 88.20% >>>>>> AG - Silver 0.10% >>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >>>>>> CU - Copper 3.05% >>>>>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >>>>>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >>>>>> >>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance >>>>>> for OD, >>>>>> ID >>>>>> & length finish machining. >>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Ian Hill. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: >>>>> 7/8/2008 >>>>> 7:50 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: >>> 7/10/2008 >>> 6:43 PM >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: 7/10/2008 > 6:43 PM > > > From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 10 20:13:56 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:13:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <028e01c8e304$27b53320$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> That would probably be best since I doubt I can get to Portland this year. I'm not doing anything this summer but constructing the building, and it will take all I have to get it done before the snow flies. BTW Dave, you and Arnie will love to see this picture. As of last Tuesday the Tod Engine is now fully reassembled! http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2453932820033749120KujuWd?vhost=good-times Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > Hi Tommy and Rick, If Rick will not be at Portland I can haul it back > to PA with me. I'm 90 miles from Youngstown, so I'm sure we can figure > out a way to get it there! > Dave > > On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Rick, >> Will you be at Portland? I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod >> Project if so. You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod >> Foundation >> for it. Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can >> allow a >> "documented price" as the donation price to be used. So, since I'll >> be >> delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. >>> delivered. I know >>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods >>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've >>> read >>> says >>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will >>> need >>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. >>> >>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have >>> remaining, >>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house >>> building >>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( >>> >>> Maybe if you still have it next year... >>> >>> Rick Rowlands >>> Executive Director >>> Tod Engine Foundation >>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" >>> 2261 Hubbard Road >>> Youngstown, OH 44505 >>> 330-272-4089 >>> www.todengine.org >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >>> >>> >>>> Peter, >>>> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS >>>> Jackson >>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell >>>> it to >>>> you >>>> for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought >>>> about >>>> a >>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I >>>> made the >>>> guy >>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks >>>> for one >>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used >>>> it are >>>> very >>>> pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >>>> >>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Peter Lowe" >>>> To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM >>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi All >>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to >>>>> clarify a >>>>> few >>>>> points. >>>>> >>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing >>>>> ID. The >>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. >>>>> How many >>>>> thou. do I allow.? >>>>> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the >>>>> bearing >>>>> where >>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. >>>>> The >>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around >>>>> the >>>>> end, >>>>> I >>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. >>>>> Would you >>>>> try >>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a >>>>> spiral >>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who >>>>> cares >>>>> it >>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in >>>>> machining >>>>> also. >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the >>>>> vertical >>>>> R&V >>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at: >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, >>>>> I bit >>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Peter Lowe >>>>> R&V Engine Registrar >>>>> Australia >>>>> Ph: 61-266453455 >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is >>>>>> most >>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >>>>>> Composition: >>>>>> SN - Tin 88.20% >>>>>> AG - Silver 0.10% >>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >>>>>> CU - Copper 3.05% >>>>>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >>>>>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >>>>>> >>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance >>>>>> for OD, >>>>>> ID >>>>>> & length finish machining. >>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Ian Hill. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: >>>>> 7/8/2008 >>>>> 7:50 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: >>> 7/10/2008 >>> 6:43 PM >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 10 20:15:08 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:15:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <029301c8e304$528ee550$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Tommy that is quite generous of you. Thanks so much!!! I will prepare a letter of donation and include with it the price quote. That should be good enough to prove value to the IRS. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > Rick, > Will you be at Portland? I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod > Project if so. You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod Foundation > for it. Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can allow a > "documented price" as the donation price to be used. So, since I'll be > delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tod Engine Foundation" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > >>I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. delivered. I >>know >> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods >> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've read >> says >> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will need >> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. >> >> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have >> remaining, >> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house >> building >> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( >> >> Maybe if you still have it next year... >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Executive Director >> Tod Engine Foundation >> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" >> 2261 Hubbard Road >> Youngstown, OH 44505 >> 330-272-4089 >> www.todengine.org >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >>> Peter, >>> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS >>> Jackson >>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to >>> you >>> for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought >>> about >>> a >>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the >>> guy >>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for >>> one >>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are >>> very >>> pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >>> >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peter Lowe" >>> To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >>> >>> >>>> Hi All >>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a >>>> few >>>> points. >>>> >>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The >>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How >>>> many >>>> thou. do I allow.? >>>> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing >>>> where >>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The >>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the >>>> end, >>>> I >>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would >>>> you >>>> try >>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a >>>> spiral >>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who >>>> cares >>>> it >>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining >>>> also. >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical >>>> R&V >>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at: >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit >>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Peter Lowe >>>> R&V Engine Registrar >>>> Australia >>>> Ph: 61-266453455 >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Hi Peter >>>>> >>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most >>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >>>>> Composition: >>>>> SN - Tin 88.20% >>>>> AG - Silver 0.10% >>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >>>>> CU - Copper 3.05% >>>>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >>>>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >>>>> >>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD, >>>>> ID >>>>> & length finish machining. >>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Ian Hill. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: >>>> 7/8/2008 >>>> 7:50 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: 7/10/2008 >> 6:43 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at btes.tv Thu Jul 10 20:56:05 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:56:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> <026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <85cd08e4f9fbcf8cd999e808b09f0cb8@btes.tv> That recommendation was surely originated by metal dealers selling babbitt. There's nothing about the casting process that would ruin the babbitt in a recasting or two or three. And any contamination from oil, dirt and metal particles will float to the top to be skimmed off. Sure, type casters had to replenish the antimony and tin in linotype and other type metals, but that was after many months of keeping the stuff molten much of the time and oxidizing those metals out of the lead. I'd reuse what I had and use just enough new to make up for any lack. You won't gain anything by using new metal. Personally, I mostly see babbitt as a good source of tin for bullet casting alloys. If you do junk your old babbitt, I'll bet there are bullet casters nearby that'll take it off your hands. Black powder cartridge shooters prefer lead-tin alloys without much else in them. John On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Tod Engine Foundation wrote: > I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. delivered. I > know > I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods > someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've > read says > to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will need > several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 21:20:34 2008 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <944360.70883.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You might want to consider building up your bearings with additional babbit instead of repouring. WHen I was working on steam turbines at the papermill, we would keep a spare set of babbit bearings for each turbine in stock. The problem was that the bearings would not be needed unless one was found to be worn out at overhaul, or failed in service. By that time, the journal was worn and we would send the rotor to our machine shop to have a cleanup cut taken, giving us a spare bearing that was too big. So, we would take babbit and melt it and make long thin rods out of it, about 1/8" in diameter and then tig weld it to the existing bearing to build it up and then finish it to size in the vertical turret lathe. This was a method that we were taught by General Electric as a bonfide repair, and it took a fraction of the time and materials that would be required to repour the entire bearing. Most turbine parts for our 1920's and 30's machines had a 12 to 16 week lead time, so we were happy to have any parts, even if they needed rework to use them. I would imagine that our bearings were of comparable size to yours, and if you tried it and it didn't work out, you are not really out much. If you don't have a tig torch, there are a lot of really good tig welders out there, and most of them seem to get off on a challenge. I thought I read somewhere that your engine uses a Koerting valve. I have a tag off of a 12" Schutte-Koerting trip throttle valve from a mid 20's 7500 KW GE turbine. If it sounds like something that you can use, let me know. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "Never pass up a bathroom, never waste a hard-on and never trust a fart" Jack Nicholson, "The Bucket List" --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Tod Engine Foundation wrote: > From: Tod Engine Foundation > Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 8:44 PM > I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. > delivered. I know > I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod > Engine's connecting rods > someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. > Everything I've read says > to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning > I will need > several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. > > I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you > have remaining, > but every penny we have has to go into putting our new > engine house building > up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( > > Maybe if you still have it next year... > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Foundation > "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry > Heritage" > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-272-4089 > www.todengine.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > > > Peter, > > I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I > have some NOS Jackson > > Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb > ingots. I'd sell it to > > you > > for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for > scrap. I bought about > > a > > ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to > buy it but I made the > > guy > > an offer and he said "its yours".) I've > sold it to a lot of folks for one > > cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All > that have used it are > > very > > pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: > > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Lowe" > > > To: "Oldengine.org" > ; "ATIS" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM > > Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > > > > >> Hi All > >> I know we have been through this before, but I > just want to clarify a few > >> points. > >> > >> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft > and the bearing ID. The > >> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is > about 4 1/2" long. How many > >> thou. do I allow.? > >> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on > top of the bearing > >> where > >> the oil comes through and is there a need for one > on the bottom. The > >> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also > have a groove around the end, > >> I > >> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, > if it does. Would you > >> try > >> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into > the engine via a spiral > >> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. > You might say, who cares > >> it > >> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise > for me in machining > >> also. > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm > >> There will eventually be a complete restoration > guide for the vertical > >> R&V > >> when I finally think of the format I want to use > at: > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm > >> > >> > >> The email reply below was from a bearing company > in Victoria, Oz, I bit > >> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? > >> > >> Regards > >> Peter Lowe > >> R&V Engine Registrar > >> Australia > >> Ph: 61-266453455 > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > >> > >> > >> > >>>>Hi Peter > >>> > >>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line > called DSL, This is most > >>> suitable for high & low speed applications > & high load factors. > >>> Composition: > >>> SN - Tin 88.20% > >>> AG - Silver 0.10% > >>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% > >>> CU - Copper 3.05% > >>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% > >>> SB - Antimony 7.50% > >>> > >>> More important is that the oilways and > clearance are correct. > >>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest > you make allowance for OD, > >>> ID > >>> & length finish machining. > >>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Ian Hill. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - > Release Date: 7/8/2008 > >> 7:50 PM > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Fri Jul 11 03:34:32 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 6:34:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <944360.70883.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080711063432.Q4J42.143687.root@fepweb15> ---- Joe Prindle wrote: > You might want to consider building up your bearings with additional babbit instead of repouring. The sugar mill clsest to my shop is now closed, but I used to visit the machine shop while road testing cars. Always an interesting stop, innovative machinist and craftsmen that had to make things work. The mill rollers were on 18" shafts and babbit bearings. The welder would build them up with babbit in a wire form, he would lay it in as if he were brazing. The machinist would bore one half at a time in the Cincinatti mill. I realized that machine work was about setting up, using your imagination. The metal cutting was the easy part. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Fri Jul 11 05:07:43 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:07:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <944360.70883.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02ca01c8e34e$b9ab61b0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Joe, I have thought of that type of repair for the lower portions of the main bearings. They do look in fairly good shape but have quite a wavy surface that I am sure drastically reduces the contact area. It would probably take close to 100 lbs. of tig welded Babbitt just to build those areas up. The connecting rod bearings, however, have cracked quite extensively. I've pulled chunks of the Babbitt off of those, and I am afraid the only solution is to repour them. As much as I don't want to do that, its inevitable as once I put those rods back in nobody is ever going to pull them back out again, and this engine is going to run. About the S&K stop valve. I have a set of brass hang tags that came from our engine's stop valve. They were not on the engine when we got it, but one day while dismantling it in the steel mill, an older man drove up and handed them to me. He had worked at that plant and when it shut down he took the tags as a souvenir. When he saw an article in the paper about our efforts he decided to give the tags back to the engine. Just last month I acquired most of the parts to another S&K stop valve from a big blooming mill engine that is being scrapped. Two flyball governors, a 28" dia. pulley that clamped to the end of the crankshaft (yep it had a 28" crankshaft), associated brackets and the trip mechanism off of the main steam valve. I couldn't get the valve, its bigger than I am. I plan to set this up at the museum as a working display. I'll drive the setup with a DC motor so I can vary the speed. Visitors will see the flyballs pull out until the overspeed trips a contact and then watch as the coil deenergizes and a weight trips the stop valve. Come to think of it that might make a neat display to bring to Coolspring some year! That along with some 66" dia. piston rings ought to attract some attention! Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > You might want to consider building up your bearings with additional > babbit instead of repouring. > WHen I was working on steam turbines at the papermill, we would keep a > spare set of babbit bearings for each turbine in stock. The problem was > that the bearings would not be needed unless one was found to be worn out > at overhaul, or failed in service. By that time, the journal was worn and > we would send the rotor to our machine shop to have a cleanup cut taken, > giving us a spare bearing that was too big. So, we would take babbit and > melt it and make long thin rods out of it, about 1/8" in diameter and then > tig weld it to the existing bearing to build it up and then finish it to > size in the vertical turret lathe. This was a method that we were taught > by General Electric as a bonfide repair, and it took a fraction of the > time and materials that would be required to repour the entire bearing. > Most turbine parts for our 1920's and 30's machines had a 12 to 16 week > lead time, so we were happy to have any parts, even if they needed rework > to use them. I would > imagine that our bearings were of comparable size to yours, and if you > tried it and it didn't work out, you are not really out much. > If you don't have a tig torch, there are a lot of really good tig welders > out there, and most of them seem to get off on a challenge. > I thought I read somewhere that your engine uses a Koerting valve. I have > a tag off of a 12" Schutte-Koerting trip throttle valve from a mid 20's > 7500 KW GE turbine. If it sounds like something that you can use, let me > know. > Joe > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "Never pass up a bathroom, never waste a hard-on and never trust a fart" > Jack Nicholson, "The Bucket List" > > > > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Tod Engine Foundation > wrote: > >> From: Tod Engine Foundation >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 8:44 PM >> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. >> delivered. I know >> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod >> Engine's connecting rods >> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. >> Everything I've read says >> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning >> I will need >> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. >> >> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you >> have remaining, >> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new >> engine house building >> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( >> >> Maybe if you still have it next year... >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Executive Director >> Tod Engine Foundation >> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry >> Heritage" >> 2261 Hubbard Road >> Youngstown, OH 44505 >> 330-272-4089 >> www.todengine.org >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >> > Peter, >> > I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I >> have some NOS Jackson >> > Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb >> ingots. I'd sell it to >> > you >> > for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for >> scrap. I bought about >> > a >> > ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to >> buy it but I made the >> > guy >> > an offer and he said "its yours".) I've >> sold it to a lot of folks for one >> > cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All >> that have used it are >> > very >> > pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >> > >> > >> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >> > >> > Tommy Turner >> > Magnolia, KY >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Peter Lowe" >> >> > To: "Oldengine.org" >> ; "ATIS" >> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM >> > Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> > >> > >> >> Hi All >> >> I know we have been through this before, but I >> just want to clarify a few >> >> points. >> >> >> >> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft >> and the bearing ID. The >> >> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is >> about 4 1/2" long. How many >> >> thou. do I allow.? >> >> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on >> top of the bearing >> >> where >> >> the oil comes through and is there a need for one >> on the bottom. The >> >> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also >> have a groove around the end, >> >> I >> >> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, >> if it does. Would you >> >> try >> >> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into >> the engine via a spiral >> >> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. >> You might say, who cares >> >> it >> >> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise >> for me in machining >> >> also. >> >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >> >> There will eventually be a complete restoration >> guide for the vertical >> >> R&V >> >> when I finally think of the format I want to use >> at: >> >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> The email reply below was from a bearing company >> in Victoria, Oz, I bit >> >> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Peter Lowe >> >> R&V Engine Registrar >> >> Australia >> >> Ph: 61-266453455 >> >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>Hi Peter >> >>> >> >>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line >> called DSL, This is most >> >>> suitable for high & low speed applications >> & high load factors. >> >>> Composition: >> >>> SN - Tin 88.20% >> >>> AG - Silver 0.10% >> >>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >> >>> CU - Copper 3.05% >> >>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >> >>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >> >>> >> >>> More important is that the oilways and >> clearance are correct. >> >>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest >> you make allowance for OD, >> >>> ID >> >>> & length finish machining. >> >>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >> >>> >> >>> Regards >> >>> Ian Hill. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - >> Release Date: 7/8/2008 >> >> 7:50 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gastzt at aol.com Fri Jul 11 06:22:56 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:22:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) Message-ID: WOW! Great pics-- I want to build one in my back yard! Then I would HAVE to stay--no more moving--ha! Stan Zettner, Pleasanton, Tex USA old stover nut **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jul 11 09:33:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:33:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <028e01c8e304$27b53320$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: Rick: I hope you were careful. With THAT engine, if you drop the smallest part on your foot.........bye, bye foot! Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Tod Engine > Foundation > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:14 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > > That would probably be best since I doubt I can > get to Portland this year. > I'm not doing anything this summer but > constructing the building, and it > will take all I have to get it done before the snow flies. > > BTW Dave, you and Arnie will love to see this > picture. As of last Tuesday > the Tod Engine is now fully reassembled! > http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2453932820033 > 749120KujuWd?vhost=good-times > > Thanks > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Foundation > "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-272-4089 > www.todengine.org From gastzt at aol.com Fri Jul 11 10:44:37 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:44:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) Message-ID: can you imagine that engine with a ROPE STARTER! ha Stan Pleasanton, Texas or maybe a kick-starter????? **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Fri Jul 11 12:18:59 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:18:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: Message-ID: <02fb01c8e38a$f89a8f90$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> All I got from this project was a bad knee. I also wear steel toe shoes everywhere. Even the tennis shoes are steel toe. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > Rick: > > I hope you were careful. With THAT engine, if you drop the smallest part > on your foot.........bye, bye foot! > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Tod Engine >> Foundation >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:14 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >> That would probably be best since I doubt I can >> get to Portland this year. >> I'm not doing anything this summer but >> constructing the building, and it >> will take all I have to get it done before the snow flies. >> >> BTW Dave, you and Arnie will love to see this >> picture. As of last Tuesday >> the Tod Engine is now fully reassembled! >> http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2453932820033 >> 749120KujuWd?vhost=good-times >> >> Thanks >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Executive Director >> Tod Engine Foundation >> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" >> 2261 Hubbard Road >> Youngstown, OH 44505 >> 330-272-4089 >> www.todengine.org > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 11 12:48:55 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:48:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <02fb01c8e38a$f89a8f90$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> References: <02fb01c8e38a$f89a8f90$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <1215805735.4877b9270011c@webmail.city-net.com> And believe me, when one of those 750-lb dogbones drops onto your foot, you'll be happy that you're wearing those steel toe shoes. 8-)))))) Quoting Tod Engine Foundation : > All I got from this project was a bad knee. I also wear steel toe shoes > everywhere. Even the tennis shoes are steel toe. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 11 13:54:25 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:54:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <02fb01c8e38a$f89a8f90$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <1215805735.4877b9270011c@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <005101c8e398$4e274630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I saw that and was gonna ask if it was harder putting them back in or taking them out > And believe me, when one of those 750-lb dogbones drops onto your foot, > you'll > be happy that you're wearing those steel toe shoes. 8-)))))) From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 17:09:00 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:09:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing Message-ID: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi everybody ,I?m going to re plumb an old engine in the future that deserves original type plumbing fittings. They range from ?? to ?? ?hub less type fittings. Des a source exist for these old style pieces? I can salvage some but not all of the originals. Thanks for any help .Even raw castings would be a start. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O?Hagan 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jul 11 17:30:35 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:30:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <31506227-C09A-485A-B09D-D7B85799DD01@rustyiron.com> On Jul 11, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi everybody ,I?m going to re plumb an old engine in the future that > deserves original type plumbing fittings. They range from ?? to ?? > ?hub less > type fittings. Des a source exist for these old style pieces? I can > salvage > some but not all of the originals. Thanks for any help .Even raw > castings > would be a start. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O?Hagan 415 892 0236 Hi Jimmy, If you can't find enough originals, you can make pretty good reproductions. Chuck up a short nipple in the lathe, screw on your fitting, and turn down the "lip" until it is straight. You can also use a radius tool to make a more rounded radius on the lip, if that's the look you're shooting for. A grindstone in a Dremel tool is good for finishing up those areas of the pipe fitting that you can't reach on the lathe. Birchwood Casey Plum Brown solution gives a nice brown patina. I also like to use electrolysis to MAKE rust, as opposed to the more common technique of using electrolysis to eliminate rust. Check this: http://engines.rustyiron.com/electrolysis A hint: Start with American made pipe fittings. Most that you find at Home Despot and Ace are made in China. It machines very badly. In electrolysis, it doesn't so much rust as it pits. From bboyce at swat.coop Fri Jul 11 18:31:45 2008 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:31:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <31506227-C09A-485A-B09D-D7B85799DD01@rustyiron.com> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <31506227-C09A-485A-B09D-D7B85799DD01@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <7FF565246B844D8EB378B0D3F3700DA6@billPC> A hint: Start with American made pipe fittings. Most that you find at Home Despot and Ace are made in China. It machines very badly. In electrolysis, it doesn't so much rust as it pits. speaking of Home Depot, i just happened to see a selection of brass pipe fittings there the other day,, i think they went up to 3/4 inch,, tees, nipples, couplings, etc,,,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jul 11 18:59:34 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:59:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: Jimmy, The standard for American fittings calls for them to have a "band" (flat, sharp edges, etc). The old time fittings were either rounded edge (beaded) or had nothing at all (called plain). Many of the British Standard Pipe fittings (which are metric) have the band and some of the fittings made in China and India are plain with no hub or band. You can use BSP fittings but you have to run a NPT tap in them. They correspond real well up to 1 1/2 inch pipe. I've used many of the BSP banded fittings and have never had a problem with them after I run a tap in. You can find the banded fittings in England and Australia. Tommy Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing > Hi everybody ,I'm going to re plumb an old engine in the future that > deserves original type plumbing fittings. They range from ?" to ?" "hub > less > type fittings. Des a source exist for these old style pieces? I can > salvage > some but not all of the originals. Thanks for any help .Even raw castings > would be a start. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.8/1547 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 > 6:05 PM > > > From jbcast at charter.net Fri Jul 11 19:10:29 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:10:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <7FF565246B844D8EB378B0D3F3700DA6@billPC> Message-ID: <20080711221029.31KRB.372397.root@fepweb09> ---- bill boyce wrote: > > A hint: Start with American made pipe fittings. Most that you find > at Home Despot and Ace are made in China. It machines very badly. In > electrolysis, it doesn't so much rust as it pits. > In November I came home to find water in my yard, the nipple between the meter and the shutoff valve was leaking. The local hardware store opened and I got the supplies I needed, although I waas disappointed that he didn't have a !" brass nipple. I told a friend that if it lasted 30 years like the other one I'd be satisfied. He said it was probably a chinese nipple and not to expect much. It didn't last 6 mmonths , corroded through in the threads. I replaced it and the valve with pvc, a foot away it joined thje pvc to the house. J.B. Castagnos From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 23:26:03 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:26:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> On 12/07/2008, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Jimmy, > The standard for American fittings calls for them to have a "band" > (flat, sharp edges, etc). The old time fittings were either rounded edge > (beaded) or had nothing at all (called plain). Many of the British Standard > Pipe fittings (which are metric) have the band and some of the fittings made > in China and India are plain with no hub or band. You can use BSP fittings > but you have to run a NPT tap in them. They correspond real well up to 1 > 1/2 inch pipe. I've used many of the BSP banded fittings and have never had > a problem with them after I run a tap in. You can find the banded fittings > in England and Australia. > > Tommy Turner Tommy: Where did you get the notion that BSP threads were metric?? They were always Imperial sizes, see the tables for 'most' older UK threads at: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Tables/Mech1.htm The ones that are loosely based on Metric are British Association (BA) threads, perhaps you were confusing that with BSP? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Jul 11 23:38:22 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:38:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <002901c8e3e9$e1e0f280$68c6eddc@Edd> Hi Tommy.British standard pipe BSP is imperial not metric.In most sizes there is half a thread per inch different to NPT and the thread angle is 55 degrees not 60 as in NPT.It is measured nominal pipe size same as NPT. Here in OZ we still use BSP .And it is still in inches but shops now give a metric equivalent just to confuse the matter even more. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old plumbing > Jimmy, > The standard for American fittings calls for them to have a "band" > (flat, sharp edges, etc). The old time fittings were either rounded edge > (beaded) or had nothing at all (called plain). Many of the British > Standard > Pipe fittings (which are metric) have the band and some of the fittings > made > in China and India are plain with no hub or band. You can use BSP > fittings > but you have to run a NPT tap in them. They correspond real well up to 1 > 1/2 inch pipe. I've used many of the BSP banded fittings and have never > had > a problem with them after I run a tap in. You can find the banded > fittings > in England and Australia. > > Tommy Turner > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim O'Hagan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:09 PM > Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing > > >> Hi everybody ,I'm going to re plumb an old engine in the future that >> deserves original type plumbing fittings. They range from ?" to ?" "hub >> less >> type fittings. Des a source exist for these old style pieces? I can >> salvage >> some but not all of the originals. Thanks for any help .Even raw castings >> would be a start. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 >> >> >> >> Jim O'Hagan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.8/1547 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 >> 6:05 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Jul 11 23:39:22 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:39:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01c8e3ea$05d64500$68c6eddc@Edd> Hi Peter you were doing your reply same time as me.You just beet me. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old plumbing > On 12/07/2008, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Jimmy, >> The standard for American fittings calls for them to have a "band" >> (flat, sharp edges, etc). The old time fittings were either rounded edge >> (beaded) or had nothing at all (called plain). Many of the British >> Standard >> Pipe fittings (which are metric) have the band and some of the fittings >> made >> in China and India are plain with no hub or band. You can use BSP >> fittings >> but you have to run a NPT tap in them. They correspond real well up to 1 >> 1/2 inch pipe. I've used many of the BSP banded fittings and have never >> had >> a problem with them after I run a tap in. You can find the banded >> fittings >> in England and Australia. >> >> Tommy Turner > > Tommy: > > Where did you get the notion that BSP threads were metric?? > > They were always Imperial sizes, see the tables for 'most' older UK > threads at: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Tables/Mech1.htm > > The ones that are loosely based on Metric are British Association (BA) > threads, perhaps you were confusing that with BSP? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jul 12 05:13:37 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:13:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> Peter, I've ordered fittings here in the US from "Maryland Metics" that handles foreign fittings and probably transposed the terminology. In any event, the BSP threads and the NPT are different. They are very close, but not the same. You can easily run a NPT tap in them though and it will cut the out to allow them for use in NPT applications. Tommy Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old plumbing > On 12/07/2008, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Jimmy, >> The standard for American fittings calls for them to have a "band" >> (flat, sharp edges, etc). The old time fittings were either rounded edge >> (beaded) or had nothing at all (called plain). Many of the British >> Standard >> Pipe fittings (which are metric) have the band and some of the fittings >> made >> in China and India are plain with no hub or band. You can use BSP >> fittings >> but you have to run a NPT tap in them. They correspond real well up to 1 >> 1/2 inch pipe. I've used many of the BSP banded fittings and have never >> had >> a problem with them after I run a tap in. You can find the banded >> fittings >> in England and Australia. >> >> Tommy Turner > > Tommy: > > Where did you get the notion that BSP threads were metric?? > > They were always Imperial sizes, see the tables for 'most' older UK > threads at: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Tables/Mech1.htm > > The ones that are loosely based on Metric are British Association (BA) > threads, perhaps you were confusing that with BSP? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.8/1547 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 > 6:05 PM > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 09:10:32 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:10:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> On 12/07/2008, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Peter, > I've ordered fittings here in the US from "Maryland Metics" that handles > foreign fittings and probably transposed the terminology. In any event, the > BSP threads and the NPT are different. They are very close, but not the > same. You can easily run a NPT tap in them though and it will cut the out > to allow them for use in NPT applications. > > Tommy Turner Not a problem from this end, Tommy, I was just trying to make sure that it didn't get accepted as gospel by anyone else picking up the thread. Most of the Lister and Petter engines, and others, use BSP, up to 2-1/2" on the JP engines, 2" on the CS diesels and 1" on the AV series diesel engines. We have taps and dies for the BSP stuff up to 2", but I'd hate to have to try and tap a 2" hole! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sat Jul 12 13:24:26 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:24:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> You'd hate to have to *tap* a 2" thread in Peter. I cut a 2" thread *on* a pipe just last week with my Bulldog 3 1/2 and I can tell you, my rotator cuffs and my pipe vise and bench, knew they had tough competition (and I was using cutting fluid). I think I'll use reducers and stick to 1 1/4" down from now on. BTW my Oz and Pommie engines all appear to use BSPT plumbing. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > Not a problem from this end, Tommy, I was just trying to make sure > that it didn't get accepted as gospel by anyone else picking up the > thread. > > Most of the Lister and Petter engines, and others, use BSP, up to > 2-1/2" on the JP engines, 2" on the CS diesels and 1" on the AV series > diesel engines. > > We have taps and dies for the BSP stuff up to 2", but I'd hate to have > to try and tap a 2" hole! > > Peter > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 22:26:28 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:26:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807122226l795f54fdib69560f2e7eee597@mail.gmail.com> On 12/07/2008, Al Harris wrote: > You'd hate to have to *tap* a 2" thread in Peter. I cut a 2" thread > *on* a pipe just last week with my Bulldog 3 1/2 and I can tell you, my > rotator cuffs and my pipe vise and bench, knew they had tough > competition (and I was using cutting fluid). > > I think I'll use reducers and stick to 1 1/4" down from now on. > > BTW my Oz and Pommie engines all appear to use BSPT plumbing. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris The problem is that they have very little lead-in, and are very short in respect of the diameter, so keeping them straight would be a bit of a nightmare, unless you could get it into a big drill to keep the thing aligned. Useful for cleaning up manifold threads though, which is the main reason we have them. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jul 13 02:57:20 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:57:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807122226l795f54fdib69560f2e7eee597@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> <6f6025160807122226l795f54fdib69560f2e7eee597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > The problem is that they have very little lead-in, and are very short > in respect of the diameter, so keeping them straight would be a bit of > a nightmare > > Peter Hi Peter, Sounds a bit like what Rita told me about you, at Portland last year! Dave From johnculp at btes.tv Sun Jul 13 05:06:59 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:06:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> <6f6025160807122226l795f54fdib69560f2e7eee597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dave is an acknowledged expert on old plumbing. John On Jul 13, 2008, at 5:57 AM, David Rotigel wrote: >> The problem is that they have very little lead-in, and are very short >> in respect of the diameter, so keeping them straight would be a bit of >> a nightmare >> >> Peter > > Hi Peter, Sounds a bit like what Rita told me about you, at Portland > last year! > Dave John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jul 13 05:39:44 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:39:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Model A Ford Pics In-Reply-To: <380-220087410125648312@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <20080713123944.FBZF2630.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> We had a great time & it was great to have all the family Model As out at a rally for the first time since my Father's passing. This would be one of the very rare occasions that my Tudor did not travel to a rally under its own power but given time restrictions due to work, the fact that the car had not been driven anywhere for over two years & the fact that the engine in it was last rebuilt 30 years ago; we decided it was safer to trailer the old girl. Saying that it started first hit every time and ran like a clock all weekend! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Great pics, Patrick! Never saw so many right hand drive Fords in one place before. I especially like the last image :-) Thanks for sharing. Ken From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 07:21:47 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:21:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> <6f6025160807122226l795f54fdib69560f2e7eee597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807130721i13791c25o20f525d3f0099288@mail.gmail.com> On 13/07/2008, David Rotigel wrote: >> The problem is that they have very little lead-in, and are very short >> in respect of the diameter, so keeping them straight would be a bit of >> a nightmare >> >> Peter > > Hi Peter, Sounds a bit like what Rita told me about you, at Portland > last year! > Dave As this a family List, I'll decline to comment on that!! :-)) Looking forward to Portland, hope we keep our record intact of NO RAIN.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jul 13 13:49:48 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:49:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <005101c8e398$4e274630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <02fb01c8e38a$f89a8f90$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <1215805735.4877b9270011c@webmail.city-net.com> <005101c8e398$4e274630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <1215982188.487a6a6ccacf0@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Chuck, I'd guess that they would go in easier than they came out. Coming out we had five guys with rosebud torches applying heat for 20-30 minutes. Then Rick cranked on a "pulling fixture" and out they came. See ya, Arnie Quoting Chuck Balyeat : > I saw that and was gonna ask if it was harder putting them back in or > taking them out > > > And believe me, when one of those 750-lb dogbones drops onto your foot, > > you'll be happy that you're wearing those steel toe shoes. 8-)))))) From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sun Jul 13 13:51:59 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:51:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807130721i13791c25o20f525d3f0099288@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> <6f6025160807122226l795f54fdib69560f2e7eee597@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160807130721i13791c25o20f525d3f0099288@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487A6AEF.5020300@rustic-engines.com> I agree totally Peter. The only mention of gal in this thread should concern the one that's on the pipe. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > As this a family List, I'll decline to comment on that!! :-)) > > Peter > From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Jul 13 15:52:59 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:52:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby for sale Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080714084927.0208cc90@ncable.com.au> G'day all, I have an un-restored 6hp petrol hornsby for sale; $5000. Have to move it on to help fund a new acquisition. It's pretty much complete, no oilers or badges. If anyone is interested for more info contact me off list. regards Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Sun Jul 13 21:40:59 2008 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:40:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] twb mc donald tractor Message-ID: <006501c8e56b$d062dae0$f301a8c0@armstrong> i have been progressing on the TWB Mc Donald tractor restoration, now part panted and radiator done, have look at http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/MCDONALD%20TRACTOR.htm Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jul 14 08:02:45 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:02:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] twb mc donald tractor In-Reply-To: <006501c8e56b$d062dae0$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: Kevin: Is that a big one-lung two-cycle engine in the tractor? Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of kevin > armstrong > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] twb mc donald tractor > > > i have been progressing on the TWB Mc Donald > tractor restoration, now part panted and radiator > done, have look at > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/MCDONAL D%20TRACTOR.htm Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jul 14 19:32:28 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:32:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check out WMSTR - Rollag Message-ID: <001a01c8e623$076bfaa0$0301a8c0@workshop> Hi All Does anyone know about this, are Rollag featuring R&V engines this year, who can I talk to about this please The web site needs to be updated if the above is true I was sent this email below from a guy in California. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Register http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm Hi Peter, We get a magazine called Green Magazine that is for John Deere enthusiasts and we saw an add in it for the Western Minnesota Steam Threshers Reunion...The add stated that they will be featuring R&V hit and miss engines. Just thought you would like to know. Click on link below for more info. Click here: WMSTR From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jul 15 05:15:40 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:15:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL Message-ID: The price of SCRAP metal (like that of oil) must be at an all time high! Dave From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Tue Jul 15 05:29:53 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:29:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003701c8e676$7d2475d0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> If you have any to sell tho now is the time it seems; scrap tin a coupla weeks ago was 11 bux a hundred; last week it was down to 9 bux here. Haven't checked aluminum or copper lately but know it's been high. Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- The price of SCRAP metal (like that of oil) must be at an all time high! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jul 15 05:37:24 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:37:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL--OPPS!!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OPPS, I forgot to add the reference! See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=12122 On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > The price of SCRAP metal (like that of oil) must be at an all time > high! > Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jul 15 05:38:56 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:38:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL In-Reply-To: <003701c8e676$7d2475d0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <003701c8e676$7d2475d0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: Hi Lew, My BAD, but you can check out the SCRAP price at http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=12122 Dave On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Lew Best wrote: > If you have any to sell tho now is the time it seems; scrap tin a > coupla > weeks ago was 11 bux a hundred; last week it was down to 9 bux here. > Haven't checked aluminum or copper lately but know it's been high. > > Lew near Waco, TX > > -----Original Message----- > > The price of SCRAP metal (like that of oil) must be at an all time > high! > Dave From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Tue Jul 15 05:44:52 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:44:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003801c8e678$94b282d0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Thanks! Lew -----Original Message----- Hi Lew, My BAD, but you can check out the SCRAP price at http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=12122 Dave From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Jul 15 05:46:52 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:46:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0c4001c8e678$db78f320$8335c53e@doc> Scrap price paid to suppliers for Used Beverage Cans (UBCs) here is 850 GBP for a tonne - this equates to just about 3 cents US a can. Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > David Rotigel > Sent: 15 July 2008 13:16 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL > > The price of SCRAP metal (like that of oil) must be at an all > time high! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jul 15 07:11:41 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:11:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL In-Reply-To: References: <003701c8e676$7d2475d0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <1216131101.487cb01d3e78c@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!! The guy's delusional... Hey Ron, There's your chance to do a "mass saving." Quoting David Rotigel : > Hi Lew, My BAD, but you can check out the SCRAP price at > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=12122 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 23:57:07 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:57:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another Onan W3S Joins the Collection Message-ID: <6f6025160807152357n56720c20x9ff715b07b04ef55@mail.gmail.com> Sad to benefit from the illness of someone else, but we were recently gifted a pair of generators following the serious illness of the owner. The family were looking for a new home for them and our name was put forward by Harry Matthews, who the family contacted for help. We have agreed with them to take the sets on long-term loan, and should we have to dispose of them, the sale proceeds will go to Polio Research. We picked them up last week, have got some quick pictures at: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Onan/DSC02141.jpg through to http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Onan/DSC02146.jpg It is different from our other Onan, in having coil ignition, the earlier breather and oil level indicator etc etc. We reckon it is an August 1942 unit. A smaller and more modern MAG (Swiss company) genny set also came with the Onan, that fired up as soon as we put fresh petrol in the tank, the Onan will need rather more work. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 03:33:13 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:33:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Schiel Diesel Engine?? Message-ID: <6f6025160807160333l7fad23c1wae77270021a45e6d@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone throw any light on this one? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I have an old single cylinder schiel diesel at home that I am looking at repairing and can't find any info on it what so ever. Since the lister is very similar and the pump and injector are a bosch part that possibly the lister uses, I was wondering if you could give me some assistance or know of some one that may be in the same predicament as myself. Ben Hansen email: bhansen4 at bigpond.net.au +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I have nothing in my own archives, but it could be a rebadged engine. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Jul 16 15:32:25 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:32:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Schiel Diesel Engine?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807160333l7fad23c1wae77270021a45e6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807160333l7fad23c1wae77270021a45e6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487E76F9.5030307@rustic-engines.com> The only light I can focus on the name Schiel or Schiele in Oz (Google) are steam driven fans used in early Hunter Valley Collieries. Maybe they switched to stationary's later. > http://archive.amol.org.au/newcastle/greta/newgr.html > http://archive.amol.org.au/newcastle/greta/rmm.html Maybe enquiries to the Newcastle Museum may be of benefit: mailto: nrmuseum at ncc.nsw.gov.au Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > Can anyone throw any light on this one? > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I have an old single cylinder schiel diesel at home that I am looking at > repairing and can't find any info on it what so ever. Since the lister is > very similar and the pump and injector are a bosch part that possibly the > lister uses, I was wondering if you could give me some assistance or know of > some one that may be in the same predicament as myself. > > Ben Hansen email: bhansen4 at bigpond.net.au > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I have nothing in my own archives, but it could be a rebadged engine. > > Peter > From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 17 07:19:21 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:19:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Price of Scrap Message-ID: <009401c8e818$1c0fdd40$9501a8c0@LapTop> Scrap steel and mixed metal loads are bringing $10.00 cwt here in Arcadia Fla. I've hauled 84,000 pounds of old engines and old trucks off since June 3rd. More $$$ than I would have gotten at auction and a lot less stress. grin Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Jul 17 09:24:10 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Message-ID: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I am going to wind some low tension coils. In the past I used gas welding rod for the core. What materials have you used? Coat hanger wire comes to mind. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nEnlAPZkW4o8vtRRnC2LieWoM8kQKPMXhYwjQzgV0enHOaZ/ From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Jul 17 09:41:54 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:41:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils In-Reply-To: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <01f601c8e82c$06259330$8335c53e@doc> The classic school physics had it that you need "soft iron wire" - in the UK, florist's wire has been used. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: 17 July 2008 17:24 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils > > Hi all. > I am going to wind some low tension coils. In the past I used gas > welding rod for the core. What materials have you used? Coat hanger > wire comes to mind. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Jul 17 09:54:28 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:54:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils References: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <00d601c8e82d$c6d1cdf0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Rebar tie wire ought to work well. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Hi all. I am going to wind some low tension coils. In the past I used gas welding rod for the core. What materials have you used? Coat hanger wire comes to mind. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jul 17 12:35:58 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:35:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils In-Reply-To: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Ron: Go to your friendly auto parts store and get a roll of iron "mechanic's wire". It is around 14-16 gauge and when straigtened, cut to length and bundled, makes an excellent core. Although coat hanger wire will work, it would make a rather bulky core and I think it is a bit on the hard side and will retain some magnetism, making it a little less efficient. I suppose you could anneal it and it would work better. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:24 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils > > > Hi all. > I am going to wind some low tension coils. In > the past I used gas > welding rod for the core. What materials have > you used? Coat hanger > wire comes to mind. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell From obise at moscow.com Thu Jul 17 11:49:10 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:49:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils In-Reply-To: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200807171849.m6HInJL0003381@mail-gw.fsr.net> If I were to wind a low tension coil, I'd use ordinary black iron wire. There is a trick that will make it arrow-straight: Roll out a considerable length, then stretch it a bit. It should be a simple matter to set up a shear to cut it to uniform length. (I would use a shear, not a "pincers-type" of cutter. A pincers leaves a sharp, ragged edge. If you don't want to make a "showy" low tension coil, use the E-core out of a small transformer. A Thorardson coil of mine has an E-core in it. The whole works is potted in a metal can. It was originally potted in asphalt; but, wanting to avoid the mess I used wax when I re-built it. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:24 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Hi all. I am going to wind some low tension coils. In the past I used gas welding rod for the core. What materials have you used? Coat hanger wire comes to mind. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jul 17 12:16:28 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:16:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to Build a Low Tension Coil for your Stationary Engine Message-ID: <1216322188.487f9a8c58f74@webmail.city-net.com> Rob has a very interesting and very detailed "how to" on his website. http://engines.rustyiron.com/ltcoil/index.html Entertaining too. 8-)) See ya, Arnie From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 17 13:00:58 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:00:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Message-ID: I have also seen an old guy here in the San Antonio area use re-bar tie wire--- worked great-- very soft and easy to work with--ha! Stan Zettner (old Stover) Pleasanton, Texas You guys are FUN! lol **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 13:48:13 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:48:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard Saved Message-ID: <6f6025160807171348v674722adi944094e54982704f@mail.gmail.com> One of the jobs where we have supplied new chargers and distribution panels to, was at a hydro-electric power station in Scotland, one of the Galloway Hydro-Electric Scheme stations built in the 1930's. The old distribution panel and switchboard was made of 1-1/4" slate boards, with four pieces in total, the overall size being approximately 8ft square and weighing close on a ton. We asked if it could be saved from the scrapman, and with the agreement of the owners and the electrical contractors, we dismantled the whole panel this morning and then took it down to the Anson Museum where Geoff Challinor was delighted to receive the kit of parts. We managed to get all the nuts and bolts and the substantial steel framing as well, so Geoff will not have to make up any mountings for it. It was a 04.30 start from home this morning, and I just got back at 9pm having driven just over 700 miles, so I haven't looked at the pictures I took, but will do tomorrow and I'll put them on the website. One picture is available: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Kendoon1.jpg Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 13:53:23 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:53:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils In-Reply-To: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807171353i76149147s49a3a19aa7c68f64@mail.gmail.com> On 17/07/2008, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > I am going to wind some low tension coils. In the past I used gas > welding rod for the core. What materials have you used? Coat hanger > wire comes to mind. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell We have used the 'I' laminations from transformers with good results, after all it is magnetic steel! Because we wind all our own trannies up to 3kVA, we have all the materials, laminations, tapes and varnish. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Jul 17 14:14:12 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:14:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard Saved In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807171348v674722adi944094e54982704f@mail.gmail.co m> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080717171333.0327d008@ncweb.com> Just the one picture is sufficient to tell us it was worth saving! Dave Merchant At 04:48 PM 7/17/2008, you wrote: >One of the jobs where we have supplied new chargers and distribution >panels to, was at a hydro-electric power station in Scotland, one of >the Galloway Hydro-Electric Scheme stations built in the 1930's. > >The old distribution panel and switchboard was made of 1-1/4" slate >boards, with four pieces in total, the overall size being >approximately 8ft square and weighing close on a ton. > >We asked if it could be saved from the scrapman, and with the >agreement of the owners and the electrical contractors, we dismantled >the whole panel this morning and then took it down to the Anson Museum >where Geoff Challinor was delighted to receive the kit of parts. > >We managed to get all the nuts and bolts and the substantial steel >framing as well, so Geoff will not have to make up any mountings for >it. > >It was a 04.30 start from home this morning, and I just got back at >9pm having driven just over 700 miles, so I haven't looked at the >pictures I took, but will do tomorrow and I'll put them on the >website. > >One picture is available: > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Kendoon1.jpg > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 17 14:53:48 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:53:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard Saved Message-ID: WOW--great pic! This is what I started out with way back when I started the electrical trade! 50 years of it was enough-- ha! Now, back to the old Stovers, LOL---- great pics! Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx USA 78064 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 17 15:01:10 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:01:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils References: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <006f01c8e858$a1557ec0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Why bother? Just use ballasts out of fluro lights. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:24 AM Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils > Hi all. > I am going to wind some low tension coils. In the past I used gas > welding rod for the core. What materials have you used? Coat hanger > wire comes to mind. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nEnlAPZkW4o8vtRRnC2LieWoM8kQKPMXhYwjQzgV0enHOaZ/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 17 15:29:27 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:29:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Message-ID: Do yaw'll happen to have a wiring dia for the flour ballasts? I have a bunch of left-over ballsts from my electrical trade--- (the old style) ---guess the newer ones (solid state) may not work? Stan Z USA **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jul 17 16:40:08 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:40:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stan: You are right - the solid-state ballasts won't work. As I recall (CRS Syndrome), ballasts have two windings. Just figure out which one gives the hottest spark and cut the wires off to the other winding. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > gastzt at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 05:29 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cores for coils > > > Do yaw'll happen to have a wiring dia for the > flour ballasts? I have a bunch > of left-over ballsts from my electrical trade--- > (the old style) ---guess > the newer ones (solid state) may not work? > Stan Z USA From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 17 15:48:46 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:48:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Message-ID: Gee thanks Elden-- well hell, that makes good sense--- just mess with it till it does the trick---ha! It is FUN stuff! I got several old Stovers that I may try it on--- just finishing up an old 8hp Stover--- still need to put the carb back on it--- just too dang hot here---will wait till November----ha thanks again-- Stan, Pleasanton, Tx **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Jul 17 16:00:50 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:00:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Message-ID: <20080717.160051.1568.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> G'day Reg. Because a ballast doesn't look close enough to this: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds/photo#522412109142654843 4 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:01:10 +1000 "R & M Ingold" writes: > Why bother? Just use ballasts out of fluro lights. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find Medical Transcription Training programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nFN9FYsjJG8zgeW0xgrPzcZRo4GVA6NhnEiDnIUVzwe4Ehn/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 17 16:45:08 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:45:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils References: <20080717.160051.1568.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <011501c8e86a$0d0be580$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> OK Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cores for coils > G'day Reg. > Because a ballast doesn't look close enough to this: > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds/photo#522412109142654843 > 4 > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:01:10 +1000 "R & M Ingold" > writes: >> Why bother? Just use ballasts out of fluro lights. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find Medical Transcription Training programs. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nFN9FYsjJG8zgeW0xgrPzcZRo4GVA6NhnEiDnIUVzwe4Ehn/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 17 18:15:40 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:15:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Message-ID: WOW Ron---Great pics! Stan Pleasanton, Tx 78064 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 18:29:21 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:29:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hubless fittings Message-ID: <20080718012920.529E5444851@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi, Thanks everyone for your response to my search for smooth plumbing fittings. I wonder when they changed in design in the US. Thanks again, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Jul 17 21:47:27 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:47:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pacific pumper Message-ID: <20080717.214728.584.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I know in the past there have been several requests for information on Pacific Pumpers. Two and four cylinder two stroke engines that look like Johnson or Evinrude outboard engines coupled to fire pumps. I have come across a Pacific Marine Supply Company catalog, probably from the late '20s. It has eight pages of pictures, descriptions, and specifications for the different models. I would like to make it available on the web. Surely something this old should be able to be made available? What would be the best way? If this works out I also have more of the same kind of information on other marine engines of the period. All suggestions welcomed. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2XiOn1LvGMsG8cy4k258GZKca0Y0nm6GBVr27xf2NKn1Uh/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Jul 17 22:15:12 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:15:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pacific pumper In-Reply-To: <20080717.214728.584.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080717.214728.584.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <0EB55E82-E317-49FA-87ED-90CEA7ECF908@rustyiron.com> On Jul 17, 2008, at 9:47 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. I know in the past there have been several requests for > information on Pacific Pumpers. Two and four cylinder two stroke > engines > that look like Johnson or Evinrude outboard engines coupled to fire > pumps. I have come across a Pacific Marine Supply Company catalog, > probably from the late '20s. It has eight pages of pictures, > descriptions, and specifications for the different models. I would > like > to make it available on the web. Surely something this old should be > able to be made available? What would be the best way? > If this works out I also have more of the same kind of information on > other marine engines of the period. > All suggestions welcomed. Hi Ron, PDF is the de facto standard for serving up multi-page documents as you describe. My only suggestion is to scan them at 300 dpi so users can print them into high-quality hard copy. Rob From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Jul 18 01:39:27 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:39:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils In-Reply-To: <20080717.160051.1568.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080718043906.02e55dd8@ncweb.com> What's the gear out of? Dave Merchant At 07:00 PM 7/17/2008, you wrote: >G'day Reg. >Because a ballast doesn't look close enough to this: >http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds/photo#522412109142654843 >4 > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California USA >http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > >On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:01:10 +1000 "R & M Ingold" > writes: > > Why bother? Just use ballasts out of fluro lights. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >____________________________________________________________ >Click here to find Medical Transcription Training programs. >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nFN9FYsjJG8zgeW0xgrPzcZRo4GVA6NhnEiDnIUVzwe4Ehn/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 01:48:42 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:48:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard Saved In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807171348v674722adi944094e54982704f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807171348v674722adi944094e54982704f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807180148t205536e5o89bac0d29f66cc7a@mail.gmail.com> On 17/07/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: There is also a motor-generator set that was associated with the switchboard, we are trying to get that for the Anson Museum as well. It goes about 2 tons, made by GEC and had an output of 130V at 130A 20kW DC from 415V 3-phase input. It was fitted to charge the station's main tripping batteries in the event of a charger failure. The new charger is a dual unit with two chargers in a common case, everything duplicated. I'll get the pictures sorted tonight, we took a dozen or so. One of the big water turbines was out of service while we were there, the alternator exciter stator was out of the housing for repair, I have a couple of pictures of that as well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 01:52:57 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:52:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Schiel Diesel Engine?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807160333l7fad23c1wae77270021a45e6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807160333l7fad23c1wae77270021a45e6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807180152m23fefd77g309952de023c8b67@mail.gmail.com> On 16/07/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > Can anyone throw any light on this one? > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I have an old single cylinder schiel diesel at home that I am looking at > repairing and can't find any info on it what so ever. Since the lister is > very similar and the pump and injector are a bosch part that possibly the > lister uses, I was wondering if you could give me some assistance or know of > some one that may be in the same predicament as myself. > > Ben Hansen email: bhansen4 at bigpond.net.au > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I have nothing in my own archives, but it could be a rebadged engine. > > Peter Name correction from Ben: SCIEL Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 08:12:15 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:12:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard Saved - More Pictures Message-ID: <6f6025160807180812u1ee9120ao7b2fd794c608cc62@mail.gmail.com> On 17/07/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > One of the jobs where we have supplied new chargers and distribution > panels to, was at a hydro-electric power station in Scotland, one of > the Galloway Hydro-Electric Scheme stations built in the 1930's. > > One picture is available: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Kendoon1.jpg 11 Pictures now available http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Kendoon1.jpg Through to: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Kendoon11.jpg The motor-generator set is still at the station, we are trying to find out if we can recover this for the Anson as well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Jul 18 09:03:23 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:03:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gear? Message-ID: <20080718.090324.296.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Dave. What gear are you referring to? If it is this one: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds/photo#517293294115066837 0 It is for a Witte SS mine hoist. Here is a picture of it before I got the gear. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/Witte/photo#5182653244756692066 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:39:27 -0400 Dave Merchant writes: > What's the gear out of? > > Dave Merchant ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on consolidating your debt. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2bk9V3PRsuPOmCWlU5AvNfNJ4HZRx8dSW4YzcJeAhjPraF/ From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jul 18 18:19:21 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:19:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard Saved - More Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807180812u1ee9120ao7b2fd794c608cc62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter: Thanks for making the photos available. It's nice to see some of the old stuff being saved. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:12 AM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine > Subject: Re: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard > Saved - More Pictures From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jul 18 20:40:06 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:40:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gear? In-Reply-To: <20080718.090324.296.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080718.090324.296.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <121A09C2-5361-45CF-98F6-CF5D54525308@rustyiron.com> Hey Ron, That's a pretty clever repair. So did you install the new chunk, then cut the profile? Does this type of repair diminish the strength of the gear? Rob On Jul 18, 2008, at 9:03 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Dave. > What gear are you referring to? > If it is this one: > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds/photo#517293294115066837 > 0 > It is for a Witte SS mine hoist. Here is a picture of it before I got > the gear. > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/Witte/photo#5182653244756692066 From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Jul 19 09:43:36 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:43:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gear? Message-ID: <20080719.094337.292.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Good morning Rob. That is the gear I got from Del Donaldson in Albuquerque NM. to get my Witte winch going. It was that way when I got it. I thought it was a novel repair. It looks plenty strong. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/VacationTreasures This is the load with the gears. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:40:06 -0700 Rob Skinner writes: > Hey Ron, > That's a pretty clever repair. So did you install the new chunk, > then > cut the profile? Does this type of repair diminish the strength of > > the gear? > > Rob ____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNLM4pYI8wHz9Jnd4yeqp8xytY4kKt4qDfRnEDCzSyOIOUl/ From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Jul 19 14:11:48 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:11:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List Message-ID: Hi List, A friend has just acquired a Quincy 310 air compressor. It needs work and it also has some missing parts. However, he doesn't have a service manual nor a parts list for the air compressor. Is there an site where I can down load a manual/parts list for this Quincy 310 air compressor? If not, where can he obtain one? Thanks, Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From blcksmth at wcnet.org Sat Jul 19 14:45:56 2008 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:45:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F7FE68ACCDE4797B25FB18553D8CC9E@Eagle> Quincy may still be in business. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of FRM8198 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:12 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List Hi List, A friend has just acquired a Quincy 310 air compressor. It needs work and it also has some missing parts. However, he doesn't have a service manual nor a parts list for the air compressor. Is there an site where I can down load a manual/parts list for this Quincy 310 air compressor? If not, where can he obtain one? Thanks, Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Jul 19 15:07:49 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:07:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List Message-ID: Thanks for the information. I checked their web site and I didn't see anything about service manuals. There was a lot of data about their products. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 7/19/2008 2:51:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, blcksmth at wcnet.org writes: Quincy may still be in business. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 15:10:53 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List In-Reply-To: <5F7FE68ACCDE4797B25FB18553D8CC9E@Eagle> Message-ID: <841674.63084.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try these folks. http://www.mesaequipment.com/Html/Products/Quincy/qr25_basic.html Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Bob Willman wrote: From: Bob Willman Subject: Re: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 5:45 PM Quincy may still be in business. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of FRM8198 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:12 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List Hi List, A friend has just acquired a Quincy 310 air compressor. It needs work and it also has some missing parts. However, he doesn't have a service manual nor a parts list for the air compressor. Is there an site where I can down load a manual/parts list for this Quincy 310 air compressor? If not, where can he obtain one? Thanks, Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Jul 19 18:24:42 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:24:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List References: Message-ID: <001101c8ea07$7222e7e0$3402a8c0@Ed> Hi Francis, I have a Quincy 310, hard copy manual and parts list but they are not in a PDF. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List > Hi List, > A friend has just acquired a Quincy 310 air compressor. It needs work > and > it also has some missing parts. However, he doesn't have a service > manual nor > a parts list for the air compressor. > Is there an site where I can down load a manual/parts list for this > Quincy > 310 air compressor? If not, where can he obtain one? > > Thanks, > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Jul 20 00:54:17 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 03:54:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080720034820.02fa67d0@pop3.wcoil.com> Quincy is not a real great company in dealing with the second owners, But they are arguably the Cadillac of Compressors. Air Comps Don't come much better then a Quincy!! What parts you need? I can get you anything for a Quincy! As well as most other brands, Either OEM or aftermarket. Maytag Mark At 05:11 PM 7/19/08, you wrote: >Hi List, >A friend has just acquired a Quincy 310 air compressor. It needs work and >it also has some missing parts. However, he doesn't have a service >manual nor >a parts list for the air compressor. >Is there an site where I can down load a manual/parts list for this Quincy >310 air compressor? If not, where can he obtain one? > >Thanks, > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > >**************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for >FanHouse Fantasy Football today. >(http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jul 20 03:11:53 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:11:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives Message-ID: <20080720101152.YKIZ10912.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I finally had a bit of time to sort out another R&V. The 2hp BL engine finally ran for the first time today! A bit of video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U0bZjp8TMY Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 20 05:35:36 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:35:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List References: Message-ID: <006201c8ea65$1d1f5bd0$b1e94c0c@D48VHZ61> While I'm not certain about Quincy, Grainger and Sears can get parts for tons of power tools--even what they don't sell. Parts books are easy to download. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List > Hi List, > A friend has just acquired a Quincy 310 air compressor. It needs work > and > it also has some missing parts. However, he doesn't have a service > manual nor > a parts list for the air compressor. > Is there an site where I can down load a manual/parts list for this > Quincy > 310 air compressor? If not, where can he obtain one? > > Thanks, > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Jul 20 09:31:04 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:31:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List Message-ID: Mark, Thanks for the offer. The problem with the Quincy 310 (my friend has) is there are some parts missing. It also has an external check valve installed. Without a manual, it is hard to determine what the configuration should be. I have found listings for parts by part number but, I have no idea where they go. I have the manual for the Quincy 210. However, I don't know if there is parts correlation between the 310 and 210. Francis Maciel In a message dated 7/20/2008 1:01:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, frappi at wcoil.com writes: I can get you anything for a Quincy! As well as most other brands, Either OEM or aftermarket. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Jul 20 11:14:05 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:14:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine Message-ID: Gang: Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days ago and I'm kinda proud of it. If interested, the saga is on my web page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Take care - Elden From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Jul 20 11:11:48 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:11:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 2009 Calendar Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080720190002.00c0b570@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I'd like to publish a 2009 calendar exclusively for members of the 2 lists I belong to ie. SEL and Oldengine lists. What I visualize is the following: a) A fairly high resolution .pdf document that members could print out on their own printers. I will make it in both A4 and letter size to cater for everyone. b) This would be downloadable from my site sometime in December. c) It would be an exclusive calendar for list members ie. not a general download - I could do this with a password protected page or something like that. Of course, if members would like to send a copy to a friend that would be O.K. - I just do not want to make it something that every Tom (sorry Tom in NZ), Dick and Harry (except for Harry Matthews) can log on and download. :-) d) Of course there would be "no charge". I'd just like to do this for list members and friends. I would like you guys to send me a high resolution pic of you and your favourite, most famous, rarest, most popular or whatever engine. Of course it will be nicer if you and your better half (wife/girlfriend/lover or whatever) are included in the photo. That way we could put a face to the people we correspond with on the lists. I'd also like a location but only very vague like "Wisconsin, USA". We do not necessarily want to publish the full address. If you would include your birthday I can try to fit your pic into the appropriate month as well as mark that day as "Joe's birthday". Due to the worldwide nature of this calendar I may or may not show "Public holidays" - maybe just important International ones - let me know your thoughts. Depending on the response it would be a 12 page (1 page per month) calendar with a really good picture of a members engine or a few smaller pics of various members and their engines. The pictures would take up most of the available space on the page with the actual "calendar" taking up maybe 1/4 of the space. Please let me know your thoughts and start selecting the photograph that you would like included. Remember that I would like this to be high quality so please select good, clear, high resolution photographs. It will not look good if you or your engine is just a "big shadow". For those of you who do not have digital photo's you could post me a print and I will scan it. P.S. Maytags are welcome :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Jul 20 11:59:17 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:59:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080720145350.03061eb0@pop3.wcoil.com> You should be able to at least get an idea on identify the parts using the 210 manual. Where do the parts go that he needs? Get me some pics? showing the empty spots where the parts go. External check valve? Is the pump oil pressure or splash lube? Does it have an oil pressure gauge on it? Mark At 12:31 PM 7/20/08, you wrote: >Mark, >Thanks for the offer. >The problem with the Quincy 310 (my friend has) is there are some parts >missing. It also has an external check valve installed. Without a >manual, it is >hard to determine what the configuration should be. I have found listings >for parts by part number but, I have no idea where they go. >I have the manual for the Quincy 210. However, I don't know if there is >parts correlation between the 310 and 210. > >Francis Maciel > >In a message dated 7/20/2008 1:01:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >frappi at wcoil.com writes: > >I can get you anything for a >Quincy! As well as most other brands, Either OEM or >aftermarket. Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 20 12:10:18 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:10:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2008 1:21:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Elden, I must say you sure were persistent with your project, much thinking, and Yankee ingenuity! Thanks for the story and photos. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germaoamer at AOL.com **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Jul 20 14:12:45 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:12:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine Message-ID: Fantastic job! Thanks for sharing. Francis In a message dated 7/20/2008 10:21:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: Gang: Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days ago and I'm kinda proud of it. If interested, the saga is on my web page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Take care - Elden _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 14:38:00 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <903351.67526.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Really a nice job, Elden. Alan in Michigan --- On Sun, 7/20/08, Elden DuRand wrote: From: Elden DuRand Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine To: "Stationary Engine List" Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 2:14 PM Gang: Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days ago and I'm kinda proud of it. If interested, the saga is on my web page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Take care - Elden From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 20 15:08:20 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:08:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine References: Message-ID: <00fd01c8eab5$1f765cd0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Great ... you have more talent than I ever dreamed of having. Paul in IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 2:14 PM Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine > Gang: > > Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I > designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days > ago and I'm kinda proud of it. > > If interested, the saga is on my web page. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Take care - Elden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ddotto at cableone.net Sun Jul 20 16:48:45 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:48:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c8eac3$266c4050$0401a8c0@SHOP> Hi Eldon I have been following the progress of your engine on your web site; Congratulations on getting her running. Great job, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:14 AM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine Gang: Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days ago and I'm kinda proud of it. If interested, the saga is on my web page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Take care - Elden _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3282 (20080719) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 20 17:37:27 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:37:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine References: Message-ID: <6C942FE8B4624CE2BE00EB021FC230B9@FAMILY> Beautiful work Elden, I wish I had just half your machining knowledge. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine > Gang: > > Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I > designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days > ago and I'm kinda proud of it. > > If interested, the saga is on my web page. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Take care - Elden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Jul 20 19:44:39 2008 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:44:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/Stover DV-2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine nice work on the engine, and congratulations on such a nice collection,,, in viewing the pictures on your web site, i found the Stover DV-2,,,,, i have 2 of these, but never knew for sure what they were,, the guy i got them from "thought" they were some type of Stover,,, i think i can make one good one from the pair,,, do you have any info on these such as parts lists, etc ? thanks in advance for any help,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 20 20:00:56 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:00:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II Message-ID: I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the Type B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last week came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I appreciate all the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and help and there may be another chance yet! Here's a bit of background: A man named Hannebaum lived in Billings, Missouri in the late 1800's. He was a machinist, inventor, and from all accounts and information found, a mechanical genius for his time. In the early 1890's Hannebaum designed an internal combustion engine. He went to work at a foundry and machine shop in Springfield, OH. While there are records of him living in Springfield and his grandchildren know of the accounts of him living there, there is no record of where he worked. I have a strong suspicion that the company was the Springfield Engine Company. I believe the Type B Springfield was actually designed by Hannebaum. The Type B's were evidently a failure in terms of sales as of the Springfields that survive, only 3 (up till now) were the Type B's. Hannebaum returned to Billings, MO after his stint in OH. One of two things occurred however. Hannebaum either brought the Type B Springfield patterns with him or brought unused castings back to MO to build engines. One of the engines, probably rated around 4 to 6 HP, was installed in a grain elevator in Billings. It remained in service until the early 1940's when the elevator was torn down. The Malice family purchased the engine and took it to the farm where they lived. Richard Malachi's father eventually took the engine apart, scattering the pieces among the piles of scrap iron on the family farm. The base, cylinder, crank, flywheels, piston, rod, sideshaft and sideshaft supports and brackets remained together. After numerous years of trying, the engine was acquired about 3 years ago by a collector who lived in the area. After seeing the task to bring the engine back to life (and determining it may be a bit much), I was able acquire the engine from him. Mr. Malachi gave permission for us to search the property as he was confident the parts were located somewhere on the farm. Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake valve cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 20 20:03:08 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:03:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II Message-ID: <97FD5FDC5CF845D2AA64C3FB1CCAA14E@tommydk7hxjr4h> One correction, it should read "the Malachi family purchased the engine". Spell check changed it to "Malice" instead of "Malachi". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: Judge Tommy Turner To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: The Gig on the Dig - Part II I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the Type B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last week came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I appreciate all the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and help and there may be another chance yet! Here's a bit of background: A man named Hannebaum lived in Billings, Missouri in the late 1800's. He was a machinist, inventor, and from all accounts and information found, a mechanical genius for his time. In the early 1890's Hannebaum designed an internal combustion engine. He went to work at a foundry and machine shop in Springfield, OH. While there are records of him living in Springfield and his grandchildren know of the accounts of him living there, there is no record of where he worked. I have a strong suspicion that the company was the Springfield Engine Company. I believe the Type B Springfield was actually designed by Hannebaum. The Type B's were evidently a failure in terms of sales as of the Springfields that survive, only 3 (up till now) were the Type B's. Hannebaum returned to Billings, MO after his stint in OH. One of two things occurred however. Hannebaum either brought the Type B Springfield patterns with him or brought unused castings back to MO to build engines. One of the engines, probably rated around 4 to 6 HP, was installed in a grain elevator in Billings. It remained in service until the early 1940's when the elevator was torn down. The Malice family purchased the engine and took it to the farm where they lived. Richard Malachi's father eventually took the engine apart, scattering the pieces among the piles of scrap iron on the family farm. The base, cylinder, crank, flywheels, piston, rod, sideshaft and sideshaft supports and brackets remained together. After numerous years of trying, the engine was acquired about 3 years ago by a collector who lived in the area. After seeing the task to bring the engine back to life (and determining it may be a bit much), I was able acquire the engine from him. Mr. Malachi gave permission for us to search the property as he was confident the parts were located somewhere on the farm. Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake valve cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Jul 20 20:14:26 2008 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:14:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/ Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: disregard my previous post, as i just found the rest of the engine information on the web site,, bill boyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sun Jul 20 20:32:35 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:32:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: <97FD5FDC5CF845D2AA64C3FB1CCAA14E@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <023401c8eae2$6c0451b0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Looks like a really fun adventure!!!!!! Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- One correction, it should read "the Malachi family purchased the engine". Spell check changed it to "Malice" instead of "Malachi". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: Judge Tommy Turner To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: The Gig on the Dig - Part II I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the Type B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last week came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I appreciate all the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and help and there may be another chance yet! Here's a bit of background: A man named Hannebaum lived in Billings, Missouri in the late 1800's. He was a machinist, inventor, and from all accounts and information found, a mechanical genius for his time. In the early 1890's Hannebaum designed an internal combustion engine. He went to work at a foundry and machine shop in Springfield, OH. While there are records of him living in Springfield and his grandchildren know of the accounts of him living there, there is no record of where he worked. I have a strong suspicion that the company was the Springfield Engine Company. I believe the Type B Springfield was actually designed by Hannebaum. The Type B's were evidently a failure in terms of sales as of the Springfields that survive, only 3 (up till now) were the Type B's. Hannebaum returned to Billings, MO after his stint in OH. One of two things occurred however. Hannebaum either brought the Type B Springfield patterns with him or brought unused castings back to MO to build engines. One of the engines, probably rated around 4 to 6 HP, was installed in a grain elevator in Billings. It remained in service until the early 1940's when the elevator was torn down. The Malice family purchased the engine and took it to the farm where they lived. Richard Malachi's father eventually took the engine apart, scattering the pieces among the piles of scrap iron on the family farm. The base, cylinder, crank, flywheels, piston, rod, sideshaft and sideshaft supports and brackets remained together. After numerous years of trying, the engine was acquired about 3 years ago by a collector who lived in the area. After seeing the task to bring the engine back to life (and determining it may be a bit much), I was able acquire the engine from him. Mr. Malachi gave permission for us to search the property as he was confident the parts were located somewhere on the farm. Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake valve cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Jul 20 21:55:28 2008 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:55:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <375acf600807202155m282ed081x9a36015232959a99@mail.gmail.com> Tommy, It looks like you guys had fun! I wish I could have joined you. Gary On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the Type B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last week came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I appreciate all the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and help and there may be another chance yet! > > Here's a bit of background: A man named Hannebaum lived in Billings, Missouri in the late 1800's. He was a machinist, inventor, and from all accounts and information found, a mechanical genius for his time. In the early 1890's Hannebaum designed an internal combustion engine. He went to work at a foundry and machine shop in Springfield, OH. While there are records of him living in Springfield and his grandchildren know of the accounts of him living there, there is no record of where he worked. I have a strong suspicion that the company was the Springfield Engine Company. > > I believe the Type B Springfield was actually designed by Hannebaum. The Type B's were evidently a failure in terms of sales as of the Springfields that survive, only 3 (up till now) were the Type B's. > > Hannebaum returned to Billings, MO after his stint in OH. One of two things occurred however. Hannebaum either brought the Type B Springfield patterns with him or brought unused castings back to MO to build engines. > > One of the engines, probably rated around 4 to 6 HP, was installed in a grain elevator in Billings. It remained in service until the early 1940's when the elevator was torn down. The Malice family purchased the engine and took it to the farm where they lived. Richard Malachi's father eventually took the engine apart, scattering the pieces among the piles of scrap iron on the family farm. The base, cylinder, crank, flywheels, piston, rod, sideshaft and sideshaft supports and brackets remained together. > > After numerous years of trying, the engine was acquired about 3 years ago by a collector who lived in the area. After seeing the task to bring the engine back to life (and determining it may be a bit much), I was able acquire the engine from him. Mr. Malachi gave permission for us to search the property as he was confident the parts were located somewhere on the farm. > > Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake valve cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? > > If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Jul 20 22:00:54 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:00:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <922ADE54D83F4BD488C1241341067754@KerryPC> G'Day Elden WORTHLESS - NOTHING PRODUCTIVE, I must have the definitions completely wrong. What a fantastic job you have done and one of the best I have ever see on this list, all elements of your project are first class Planning - skills with CAD Building - Mill, Lathe, Drilling, Welding, plus, plus Presentation - Beautiful finish that looks great Communication - Your step by step WEB page report is first class To be proud of it surely is a understatement Well done and thank you for sharing your immense skills Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz 21-07 2.56pm > > Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I > designed > and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days ago and > I'm > kinda proud of it. > > If interested, the saga is on my web page. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Take care - Elden > > > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sun Jul 20 23:48:40 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:48:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01f601c8eafd$cfedc1f0$8335c53e@doc> Thanks for that, Elden - haven't enjoyed anything so much in months. All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Elden DuRand > Sent: 20 July 2008 19:14 > To: Stationary Engine List > Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine > > Gang: > > Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to > do, I designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first > ran a couple of days ago and I'm kinda proud of it. > > If interested, the saga is on my web page. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Take care - Elden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jul 21 07:31:48 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:31:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine In-Reply-To: <000801c8eac3$266c4050$0401a8c0@SHOP> Message-ID: Dave, Paul, Bill, Kerry and everybody else: Thank all of you and others for your kind comments. This was the first time I've ever tackled machine work of this complexity and my first small engine. I don't know if I'll do it again. It was a LOT of work! If I do another, it could be a small Diesel on the same pattern. Anyway, I sat up in bed last night as it finally dawned on me why I did it. I've always wanted a sideshaft engine but I'm too cheap! :-) After I get the shop cleaned up, I'm thinking of adding bob weights on the crankshaft to help the balance a little. I'll also enlarge the base so it is a bit more stable when it's running. I'll try to update the web page occasionally. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave Otto > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 06:49 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine > > > Hi Eldon > > I have been following the progress of your engine > on your web site; > Congratulations on getting her running. > > Great job, > Dave > > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] > On Behalf Of Elden DuRand > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:14 AM > To: Stationary Engine List > Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine > > Gang: > > Being retired and worthless and having nothing > productive to do, I designed > and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran > a couple of days ago and > I'm kinda proud of it. > > If interested, the saga is on my web page. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Take care - Elden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, > version of virus signature > database 3282 (20080719) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jul 21 07:33:59 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:33:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/Stover DV-2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill: Please feel free to email me for any information you need on the Stovers. I still think it's "Cuter'n a speckle pup". Especially with the generator grafted to it. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of bill boyce > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 09:45 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/Stover DV-2 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:14 PM > Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine > > nice work on the engine, and congratulations on > such a nice collection,,, in > viewing the pictures > on your web site, i found the Stover DV-2,,,,, i > have 2 of these, but never > knew for sure > what they were,, the guy i got them from > "thought" they were some type of > Stover,,, > i think i can make one good one from the pair,,, > do you have any info on > these such > as parts lists, etc ? thanks in advance for any help,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jul 21 07:41:41 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:41:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: <97FD5FDC5CF845D2AA64C3FB1CCAA14E@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Tommy: Fascinating! Be sure to update us. Thanks! Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:03 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II > > > One correction, it should read "the Malachi > family purchased the engine". Spell check > changed it to "Malice" instead of "Malachi". > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 21 08:22:48 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:22:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II References: Message-ID: <013701c8eb45$a2a8c760$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Totally, totally fascinating .... what believe and determination. I am glad you had an idea of what you where looking for. Congratulations Paul in IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II >I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig >on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the >Type B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last >week came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I >appreciate all the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and >help and there may be another chance yet! > > Here's a bit of background: A man named Hannebaum lived in Billings, > Missouri in the late 1800's. He was a machinist, inventor, and from all > accounts and information found, a mechanical genius for his time. In the > early 1890's Hannebaum designed an internal combustion engine. He went to > work at a foundry and machine shop in Springfield, OH. While there are > records of him living in Springfield and his grandchildren know of the > accounts of him living there, there is no record of where he worked. I > have a strong suspicion that the company was the Springfield Engine > Company. > > I believe the Type B Springfield was actually designed by Hannebaum. The > Type B's were evidently a failure in terms of sales as of the Springfields > that survive, only 3 (up till now) were the Type B's. > > Hannebaum returned to Billings, MO after his stint in OH. One of two > things occurred however. Hannebaum either brought the Type B Springfield > patterns with him or brought unused castings back to MO to build engines. > > One of the engines, probably rated around 4 to 6 HP, was installed in a > grain elevator in Billings. It remained in service until the early 1940's > when the elevator was torn down. The Malice family purchased the engine > and took it to the farm where they lived. Richard Malachi's father > eventually took the engine apart, scattering the pieces among the piles of > scrap iron on the family farm. The base, cylinder, crank, flywheels, > piston, rod, sideshaft and sideshaft supports and brackets remained > together. > > After numerous years of trying, the engine was acquired about 3 years ago > by a collector who lived in the area. After seeing the task to bring the > engine back to life (and determining it may be a bit much), I was able > acquire the engine from him. Mr. Malachi gave permission for us to search > the property as he was confident the parts were located somewhere on the > farm. > > Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate > parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake > valve cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? > > If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the > captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Jul 21 09:35:43 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:35:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: <97FD5FDC5CF845D2AA64C3FB1CCAA14E@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <97FD5FDC5CF845D2AA64C3FB1CCAA14E@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059079C8817@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Great adventure Tommy! Loved the pictures. Would have like being part of the adventure, but it was just too far away for us west coast guys. I assume you had some good metal detectors to help locate the buried parts. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 21 10:58:19 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:58:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1216663099.4884ce3bd9136@webmail.city-net.com> Tommy, You're an inspiration to us all. Not only do you take on some really difficult restorations on really rare engines, but there is usually one helluva good story involved as well. This one is no exception. Thanks for this one. VERY entertaining. Who would have believed that you would have found as much as you did? Just amazing!! The obvious follow-up question is will you write this up and send it in to GEM? I'm looking forward to seeing this one running at some future Coolspring or Portland show. See ya, Arnie PS - Anyone get poison ivy? 8-)) Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig > on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the Type > B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last week > came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I appreciate all > the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and help and there > may be another chance yet! > If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the > captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 21 11:22:45 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:22:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: <1216663099.4884ce3bd9136@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001201c8eb5e$c5791880$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Thanks Arnie. Yeah, I plan on eventually writing it up and sending it in. I hope that I can make one more trip to the site in MO to hunt for that elusive intake cage. I could have a pattern made and have it cast but I'd love to find the original. The old gent tells me "its here, I guarantee it, I just don't know for sure where". There is still a possible location or two to look on the site. After we found the first part, I thought the others would be beside it. But, it appears the parts of the engine were like everything else, scattered here and there. "Throw the governor by that tree and the carb by that one over there" must have been the mode of the day. I guess that's the reason some of this old junk survived in the first place. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II Tommy, You're an inspiration to us all. Not only do you take on some really difficult restorations on really rare engines, but there is usually one helluva good story involved as well. This one is no exception. Thanks for this one. VERY entertaining. Who would have believed that you would have found as much as you did? Just amazing!! The obvious follow-up question is will you write this up and send it in to GEM? I'm looking forward to seeing this one running at some future Coolspring or Portland show. See ya, Arnie PS - Anyone get poison ivy? 8-)) Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig > on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the Type > B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last week > came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I appreciate all > the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and help and there > may be another chance yet! > If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the > captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 21 11:24:52 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:24:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: <1216663099.4884ce3bd9136@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001301c8eb5f$11759c40$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> PS: To my knowledge no one is itching. Luckily Poison Ivy doesn't make me itch. We all did sweat a lot though! Both days of the dig were in the mid 90's and high humidity. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY PS - Anyone get poison ivy? 8-)) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 21 11:49:03 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:49:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059079C8817@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000701c8eb62$72444be0$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Yeah George, we had metal detectors. But, there was so much junk at the location they were almost useless. It seems everything from old nails to screws to nuts and bolts were tossed out. A lot of positive readings at that place! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:36 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II Great adventure Tommy! Loved the pictures. Would have like being part of the adventure, but it was just too far away for us west coast guys. I assume you had some good metal detectors to help locate the buried parts. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jul 21 16:15:31 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:15:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/Stover DV-2 Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2008 10:51:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, bboyce at swat.coop writes: i think i can make one good one from the pair,,, Bill, I do not have one of these engines, but have seen several running over the years. They are a great little engine and seem to be very balanced Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germaoamer at AOL.com **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From obise at moscow.com Mon Jul 21 16:22:34 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:22:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200807212322.m6LNMgSt018487@mail-gw.fsr.net> Wow, Tommy, by the time you get that Springfield running you will have a great story to tell; it's already mighty interesting. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:01 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II Snip Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake valve cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 21 19:17:30 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:17:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II References: <200807212322.m6LNMgSt018487@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <835579C6AD3C470C81D7A1DD90E17094@tommydk7hxjr4h> Thanks Orrin. I'd love to tackle it in the near future. I've got most all of it now and I think putting it together will be fun. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin B Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II > Wow, Tommy, by the time you get that Springfield running you will have a > great story to tell; it's already mighty interesting. > > Best regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:01 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II > > Snip > > Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate > parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake > valve > cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? > > If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the > captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1565 - Release Date: 7/21/2008 > 6:36 PM > > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jul 21 22:13:45 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:13:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V primer cup wanted. Message-ID: <003301c8ebb9$b73610b0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all I am after a fuel primer cup for my vertical 2hp R&V. I would prefer one that has an extension built in of about 1 - 2 inches, but no essential. A wine glass type top cup, machined round tap handle. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/images/verticals/primer-cup_marked%20(Medium).jpg] Essex Brass have one here; http://www.essexbrass.com/shutc.htm MS503 #503 Priming Cup $13.23 MS507 #507 Priming Cup $13.52 Rustic Spares (Oz), Starbolt and Hit & Miss (USA) do not have photos, how the hell can you buy if you can't see what you want !!! Their web sites are not work having online. Rally Badges in Melbourne want $89.95 but I think Greg is confusing it with an oiler ??? I am at the mercy of you engine gurus, please help. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jul 22 07:05:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:05:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/Stover DV-2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill & Tom: You are right in that the little Stover DV-2 engines are smooth running. The balance is surprisingly good. My only comment is that the one I restored had to ber spun a bit to get it started and it never was really happy running at no load (governor hunted and mixture acted a little lean). Under any load, though and they purr like a kitten. With the Leland generator, the engine is set to run at 1,800 RPM and it seems really happy at that speed. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Germoamer at aol.com > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 06:16 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/Stover DV-2 > > > > In a message dated 7/20/2008 10:51:40 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > bboyce at swat.coop writes: > > i think i can make one good one from the pair,,, > > > > Bill, > > I do not have one of these engines, but have seen > several running over the > years. They are a great little engine and seem > to be very balanced > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germaoamer at AOL.com > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live > scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr 00050000000020) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jul 22 06:42:17 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:42:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Duke was Ahead of his Time Message-ID: <1216734137.4885e3b97831e@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Ron, When I read this piece I immediately thought of Duke the Wonder Dog, the Titanium-Tipped-Terror, nemisis of Novo Boy and Evil Dave, and defender of Maytag Manor. http://www.wvva.com/Global/story.asp?S=8704537 I sure do miss Duke! See ya, Arnie PS - If the above "list lore" references leave you clueless, read here... http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/FAQ.shtml#Evil%20Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jul 22 09:59:15 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:59:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland Message-ID: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, The organizers have put together what sounds to me like a pretty nifty "event" for the FATGs at Portland. They have a 40-50 mile route laid out for tractors to travel. Sort of a tractor parade writ large. It will be interesting to see what percentage of the "trailer queens" take part. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jul 22 10:54:20 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:54:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland In-Reply-To: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105907A0D2FD@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Actually, having a tractor drive as part of a show sounds like a good idea. I know some clubs in the west have tractor tours, but they are separate from any shows the club has. A 40-50 mile route is a bit long for something as part of a show. I'd think any tour as part of a show shouldn't be more than a couple hours at the most. A 50 mile route would have them away from the show grounds most of the day. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:59 AM To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland Hi Folks, The organizers have put together what sounds to me like a pretty nifty "event" for the FATGs at Portland. They have a 40-50 mile route laid out for tractors to travel. Sort of a tractor parade writ large. It will be interesting to see what percentage of the "trailer queens" take part. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 22 13:35:43 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:35:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland References: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105907A0D2FD@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <002401c8ec3a$83f15a30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> A 50 mile route would have them away from the show grounds most of the day. >> George >>> DING DING DING !! WE HAVE A WINNAH ! ! From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 22 14:07:33 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:07:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland Message-ID: <20080722.170742.968.2.jlb94@juno.com> It's a good idea - North West PA Steam Engine (Portersville) has a tractor cruise during, but not part of, the show. Chickentown Gas & Steam Asso. have a tractor ride they do during the show. It lasts about 3 hours and everyone on it has a good time. just my 2?. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) ____________________________________________________________ Click to find great rates on home insurance, save big, shop here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3GBbtA3GgIRMK804plSr1MIT5UkjT43TH2lg4jEsTmTzq1/ From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jul 22 14:17:30 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:17:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland References: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <003c01c8ec40$5a316db0$e0376d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Folks , `If most of them leave on this jolly in the country I vote that us engine guy's should squat in the nice leafy shaded area that they had last year unless it has already been allocated for engine display areas. Cheers, Craig in sunny Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland > Hi Folks, > > The organizers have put together what sounds to me like a pretty nifty > "event" > for the FATGs at Portland. They have a 40-50 mile route laid out for > tractors > to travel. Sort of a tractor parade writ large. It will be interesting > to see > what percentage of the "trailer queens" take part. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1566 - Release Date: 22/07/2008 > 06:00 > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jul 22 16:40:27 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:40:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Piston identification please Message-ID: <007c01c8ec54$52239210$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all Can anyone identify this piston please, it is 5 1/2" long x 4 1/2" dia. and 2 1/2" from top to centre of wrist pin. It has the numer 605 inside? http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/images/verticals/2hp_vert_piston.jpg more at the bottom of this page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_piston_conrod.htm Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jul 22 20:44:07 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:44:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Priming cups Message-ID: <20080722.204408.772.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Here are a couple of priming cups on Ebay. 330255464099 330255463850 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nEnlSBDIkNUjurhUZtD0q6BM4rexNZy4p8NGWAxJYJ1Nas9/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 23 01:29:18 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:29:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland In-Reply-To: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20080723082910.QBPI10826.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Arnie, The 'Tractor Treks' have been a regular thing here for many years. Perhaps it has taken a while for you guys to pick it up due to difficulties of translating it via Paypal (oops, I may be getting my subjects confused!). Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi Folks, The organizers have put together what sounds to me like a pretty nifty "event" for the FATGs at Portland. They have a 40-50 mile route laid out for tractors to travel. Sort of a tractor parade writ large. It will be interesting to see what percentage of the "trailer queens" take part. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 23 08:18:20 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:18:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... Message-ID: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... http://www.paypalsucks.com/ See ya, Arnie From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 23 11:33:22 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... In-Reply-To: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <2888.12.223.26.26.1216838002.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> WOW! Eye-opener! > Hi Folks, > > Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... > http://www.paypalsucks.com/ > > See ya, Arnie > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 23 12:09:39 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:09:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curtiss OX and Liberty V's Message-ID: <003501c8ecf7$a913e630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Anyone have a clue what these things sell for ? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 23 13:05:04 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:05:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003e01c8ecff$66855990$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I appreciate all the input on the wee Fords . And as far as pulling a 1000 lbs behind a 20 HP tractor , dont forget who pulled a Reid from Ga behind a 4.3 chevy with no trailer brakes . I asked about the Fords as they are lying around EVERYWHERE like shotgun hulls , but if they are too light what would be a good choice in a vintage tractor to do that work ? Considering high production numbers , weight , available parts , and ultimately purchase price . John Deere A and B 's maybe ? Having to hand start it is actually a plus . Chuck From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Jul 23 14:20:14 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland In-Reply-To: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <51719.168.215.206.73.1216848014.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Arnie, Did ya notice the rules say no riders? That means the FATG's will be leaving their wives/girlfriends at the show grounds for the 50 mile trek. This could be a good thing or a horribly bad thing, depending on the gals' capacity to provide axle traction. But I think we guys of the SEL have an obligation to the abandoned fair ladies (at least those no good at axle traction) by inviting them to spend the day with an entertaining and fun bunch of guys. Perhaps added incentive would be to drop knowledge that Reg and his "cuddles" will be visiting from Oz. Ahh it could be an extra good year at Portland. Curt > Hi Folks, > > The organizers have put together what sounds to me like a pretty nifty > "event" > for the FATGs at Portland. They have a 40-50 mile route laid out for > tractors > to travel. Sort of a tractor parade writ large. It will be interesting > to see > what percentage of the "trailer queens" take part. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 23 15:15:10 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:15:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland In-Reply-To: <51719.168.215.206.73.1216848014.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> <51719.168.215.206.73.1216848014.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1216851310.4887ad6ebb884@webmail.city-net.com> Curt, What an EXCELLENT idea!! You probably recall that Dave has had particular success with this ploy while menfolk were out scouting for "good deals." http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/davesharem2.jpg Of course, as you mention below, the success of this plan depends on the gals NOT being good "axel traction" as you put it. Dave solved this problem by applying his "calibrated axe handle" as follows. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle3.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle4.jpg I think you'll agree that the "results" were universally EXCELLENT! Oh, wait, YOU weren't there. You had (foolishly) abandoned your wife and left her to our care. Trust me Curt, we took very good care of her. 8->> Come on Portland!! BTW, are you planning on joining us at the Portland-Tuneup? AKA, Findlay Ohio? If you've never been, it is truly one of the very best shows on the calendar. See ya, Arnie Quoting curt at rustyiron.com: > Did ya notice the rules say no riders? That means the FATG's will be > leaving their wives/girlfriends at the show grounds for the 50 mile trek. > This could be a good thing or a horribly bad thing, depending on the gals' > capacity to provide axle traction. But I think we guys of the SEL have an > obligation to the abandoned fair ladies (at least those no good at axle > traction) by inviting them to spend the day with an entertaining and fun > bunch of guys. Perhaps added incentive would be to drop knowledge that Reg > and his "cuddles" will be visiting from Oz. Ahh it could be an extra good > year at Portland. > Curt From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 23 15:18:39 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:18:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... > Hi Folks, > > Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... > http://www.paypalsucks.com/ > > See ya, Arnie > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Jul 23 15:38:24 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:38:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net><375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> <003e01c8ecff$66855990$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Are there any Oliver Super 55's around you? Spin-start John Deeres are pretty neat though.It's funny that the horse power isn't much more than the Ford but being a heavy tractor makes the difference.I remember haying with a '38 spin-start and it was like the tail wagging the dog Jim Kangas ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Wed 7/23/2008 4:05 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords I appreciate all the input on the wee Fords . And as far as pulling a 1000 lbs behind a 20 HP tractor , dont forget who pulled a Reid from Ga behind a 4.3 chevy with no trailer brakes . I asked about the Fords as they are lying around EVERYWHERE like shotgun hulls , but if they are too light what would be a good choice in a vintage tractor to do that work ? Considering high production numbers , weight , available parts , and ultimately purchase price . John Deere A and B 's maybe ? Having to hand start it is actually a plus . Chuck _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 23 15:55:38 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:55:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland References: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com><51719.168.215.206.73.1216848014.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <1216851310.4887ad6ebb884@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c8ed17$3abb8e20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Here, a somewhat large girl is sized as "Two axe handles and a wad of tobacco" Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland > Curt, What an EXCELLENT idea!! > > You probably recall that Dave has had particular success with this ploy > while > menfolk were out scouting for "good deals." > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/davesharem2.jpg > > Of course, as you mention below, the success of this plan depends on the > gals > NOT being good "axel traction" as you put it. Dave solved this problem by > applying his "calibrated axe handle" as follows. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle2.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle3.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle4.jpg > > I think you'll agree that the "results" were universally EXCELLENT! > Oh, wait, YOU weren't there. You had (foolishly) abandoned your wife and > left > her to our care. Trust me Curt, we took very good care of her. 8->> > > Come on Portland!! > > BTW, are you planning on joining us at the Portland-Tuneup? AKA, Findlay > Ohio? > If you've never been, it is truly one of the very best shows on the > calendar. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting curt at rustyiron.com: > >> Did ya notice the rules say no riders? That means the FATG's will be >> leaving their wives/girlfriends at the show grounds for the 50 mile trek. >> This could be a good thing or a horribly bad thing, depending on the >> gals' >> capacity to provide axle traction. But I think we guys of the SEL have an >> obligation to the abandoned fair ladies (at least those no good at axle >> traction) by inviting them to spend the day with an entertaining and fun >> bunch of guys. Perhaps added incentive would be to drop knowledge that >> Reg >> and his "cuddles" will be visiting from Oz. Ahh it could be an extra good >> year at Portland. >> Curt > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jul 23 16:03:08 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:03:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> <004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> I can't open it either Reg. Pete, Oz > Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Stationary Engine List" ; > "Old_Engine" > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM > Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... > > >> Hi Folks, >> >> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Jul 23 16:20:18 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:20:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... In-Reply-To: <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> <004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <4887BCB2.6040005@rustic-engines.com> Try this one, it hasn't been shut down ... yet. :-) > http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/paypal.html Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > I can't open it either Reg. > Pete, Oz > > > > >> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; >> "Old_Engine" >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >> >> >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >>> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Jul 23 16:28:52 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:28:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com><004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <005a01c8ed1b$df2edf30$742d0556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >I can't open it either Reg. > Pete, Oz >> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >>> Hi Folks, >>> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >>> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >>> See ya, Arnie Hi Peter, It did work earlier but will not work at the moment! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 23 16:29:18 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:29:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com><004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <14406C9C49994BFAA2172E9C6D2B9DE8@YOURDA6F5028CB> Don't worry, it's bullshit. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >I can't open it either Reg. > Pete, Oz > > > >> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; >> "Old_Engine" >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >> >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >>> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 > 1:31 PM > > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Jul 23 16:30:34 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:30:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... In-Reply-To: <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> <004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <4887BF1A.4000400@rustic-engines.com> I should add that PPS has been around for a while now. > http://boardreader.com/domain/paypalsucks.com > http://www.forbes.com/2005/03/07/cx_cw_0308hate_3.html > http://www.peterbe.com/PayPalSucks.com Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > I can't open it either Reg. > Pete, Oz > > > > >> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; >> "Old_Engine" >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >> >> >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >>> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From gastzt at aol.com Wed Jul 23 17:27:09 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:27:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... Message-ID: you are right, Skip---- we never had any problem----- (yet) ha! Stan Pleasanton, Tx **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jul 23 21:19:22 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:19:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! Message-ID: <004001c8ed44$739ce400$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all Here is an engine for the keen collectoe, funny he does not accept PayPal either !! http://cgi.ebay.com/DeLaVergne-150-HP-1913-SIDESHAFT-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ250273978954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250273978954&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1308 Peter, Oz From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Wed Jul 23 21:33:41 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:33:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! In-Reply-To: <004001c8ed44$739ce400$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <017601c8ed46$772cfdb0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Looks like a good one for Tommy! Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Hi all Here is an engine for the keen collectoe, funny he does not accept PayPal either !! http://cgi.ebay.com/DeLaVergne-150-HP-1913-SIDESHAFT-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W 0QQitemZ250273978954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250273978954&_trksid=p3286.m 14.l1308 Peter, Oz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 00:43:58 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:43:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curtiss OX and Liberty V's In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807240042n5d29eb1bq2c16f9730df37b27@mail.gmail.com> References: <003501c8ecf7$a913e630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160807240042n5d29eb1bq2c16f9730df37b27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807240043j76fa1631qdf0f727513074fea@mail.gmail.com> Ignore that, the photo is pretty obviously a V engine - DOH!! Peter On 24/07/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 23/07/2008, Chuck Balyeat wrote: >> Anyone have a clue what these things sell for ? > > Wasn't the Liberty a straight-6 only? > > I'm at work now so haven't got access to the library :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 00:42:46 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:42:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curtiss OX and Liberty V's In-Reply-To: <003501c8ecf7$a913e630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <003501c8ecf7$a913e630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <6f6025160807240042n5d29eb1bq2c16f9730df37b27@mail.gmail.com> On 23/07/2008, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Anyone have a clue what these things sell for ? Wasn't the Liberty a straight-6 only? I'm at work now so haven't got access to the library :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 00:41:15 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:41:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curtiss OX and Liberty V's In-Reply-To: <003501c8ecf7$a913e630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <003501c8ecf7$a913e630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <6f6025160807240041i7dcd256diafa84b9cd6fa9cb1@mail.gmail.com> I'd guess that a running version of either would be in the tens of thousands of dollars, as most were scrapped before WWII. The Smithsonian has one at least, and I think there are others (one of the other) at Pima (AZ) Hiller (CA) and Dayton (OH) OX-5 here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/USAF/Museum41.htm Liberty (High-Altitude version) here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/USAF/Museum44.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/USAF/Museum45.htm Peter On 23/07/2008, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Anyone have a clue what these things sell for ? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 24 04:09:26 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:09:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! References: <017601c8ed46$772cfdb0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: That's a BIG hunk of iron! Not sure if I could get that on my trailer or not! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Best" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! > Looks like a good one for Tommy! > > Lew near Waco, TX > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi all > Here is an engine for the keen collectoe, funny he does not accept > PayPal > either !! > http://cgi.ebay.com/DeLaVergne-150-HP-1913-SIDESHAFT-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W > 0QQitemZ250273978954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250273978954&_trksid=p3286.m > 14.l1308 > > Peter, Oz > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 > 1:31 PM > > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jul 24 04:17:18 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:17:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! References: <017601c8ed46$772cfdb0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <000901c8ed7e$d5dbe780$0200a8c0@KAYE> Sure you can Tommy, think of it as just another challege !!!!! Peter. Oz > That's a BIG hunk of iron! Not sure if I could get that on my trailer or > not! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lew Best" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! > > >> Looks like a good one for Tommy! >> >> Lew near Waco, TX >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Hi all >> Here is an engine for the keen collectoe, funny he does not accept >> PayPal >> either !! >> http://cgi.ebay.com/DeLaVergne-150-HP-1913-SIDESHAFT-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W >> 0QQitemZ250273978954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250273978954&_trksid=p3286.m >> 14.l1308 >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 >> 1:31 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 24 04:57:00 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... In-Reply-To: <4887BCB2.6040005@rustic-engines.com> References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> <004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> <4887BCB2.6040005@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <3385.12.223.26.26.1216900620.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> paypalsucks.com works fine for me! Bill > Try this one, it hasn't been shut down ... yet. :-) > >> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/paypal.html > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Peter Lowe wrote: >> I can't open it either Reg. >> Pete, Oz >> >> >> >> >>> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; >>> "Old_Engine" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> >>>> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >>>> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 24 04:58:57 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... In-Reply-To: <14406C9C49994BFAA2172E9C6D2B9DE8@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com><004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> <14406C9C49994BFAA2172E9C6D2B9DE8@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <3394.12.223.26.26.1216900737.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> If it was BS, paypal could have them shutdown by their ISP, however, all such sites work fine today, and there's nothing I find that can't be verified so far.......... > Don't worry, it's bullshit. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... > > >>I can't open it either Reg. >> Pete, Oz >> >> >> >>> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; >>> "Old_Engine" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >>> >>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> >>>> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >>>> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: >> 7/23/2008 >> 1:31 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 24 05:29:08 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:29:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! In-Reply-To: <000901c8ed7e$d5dbe780$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <000201c8ed88$df0c0060$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Maybe one piece at a time Peter. That's how John Wilcox hauled the 175 HP Otto (now at Coolspring) home on his one ton truck. He totally dismantled it and brought it back in pieces. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! Sure you can Tommy, think of it as just another challege !!!!! Peter. Oz > That's a BIG hunk of iron! Not sure if I could get that on my trailer or > not! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lew Best" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! > > >> Looks like a good one for Tommy! >> >> Lew near Waco, TX >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Hi all >> Here is an engine for the keen collectoe, funny he does not accept >> PayPal >> either !! >> http://cgi.ebay.com/DeLaVergne-150-HP-1913-SIDESHAFT-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W >> 0QQitemZ250273978954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250273978954&_trksid=p3286.m >> 14.l1308 >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 >> 1:31 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Jul 24 05:44:11 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:44:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01ce01c8ed8a$f9e89c20$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Kinda doubt it :) Wouldn't something like that be fun to have though. Lew -----Original Message----- That's a BIG hunk of iron! Not sure if I could get that on my trailer or not! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 24 05:46:33 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:46:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! References: <017601c8ed46$772cfdb0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <002001c8ed8b$4e262960$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Looks like OB Malloy down there in that hole . They had to jackhammer the concrete rood off of that one . For no other reason than "because it was there " > Looks like a good one for Tommy! > > Lew near Waco, TX > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jul 24 08:44:38 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:44:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! In-Reply-To: <000201c8ed88$df0c0060$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <000201c8ed88$df0c0060$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <1216914278.4888a366cc119@webmail.city-net.com> Hell Tommy, Rick Rolands moved the majority of the Tod Engine using a Ford Ranger that was more rust than metal (you could look down and the road going by beneath your feet) and a "trailer" that was downright scary. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Tommy Turner : > Maybe one piece at a time Peter. That's how John Wilcox hauled the 175 > HP Otto (now at Coolspring) home on his one ton truck. He totally > dismantled it and brought it back in pieces. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jul 24 08:51:36 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:51:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! In-Reply-To: <004001c8ed44$739ce400$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <004001c8ed44$739ce400$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <1216914696.4888a508d29ba@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Pete, Given where this beast is located, I think one of the left coast homeboys should go for it. Rob & Kelley come to mind. After all they are wallowing in Big Oil cash.... 8-)) BTW, wasn't Steve Webre looking to rescue an engine similar to this from a swamp in Louisiana? I wonder what ever became of that project? See ya, Arnie Quoting Peter Lowe : > Here is an engine for the keen collectoe, funny he does not accept PayPal > either !! > http://cgi.ebay.com/DeLaVergne-150-HP-1913-SIDESHAFT-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ250273978954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250273978954&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1308 From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Jul 24 08:55:05 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:55:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! Message-ID: <20080724.085506.272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tommy. I don't think it would be a problem getting it on the trailer, just a big crane. The problem would be you have to scrap the trailer when it is taken off and put on a suitable trailer. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:09:26 -0400 "Judge Tommy Turner" writes: > That's a BIG hunk of iron! Not sure if I could get that on my > trailer or > not! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY ____________________________________________________________ Click here and choose from thousands of high quality used cars. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oE0bk8iCQCHo5t4I15Tt08tI41tpJYp70ngM0CddKHe09iF/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 09:48:49 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:48:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test Message-ID: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> Saw this on the Beeb today, what struck me more than anything was the way the target ship heaved when the torpedo struck and then fell apart. Sad to see the ship die, but quite a demonstration. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7523147.stm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jul 24 15:43:36 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:43:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, Peter: Why didn't y'all sink one of your own ships! Dang Limeys! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:49 AM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine > Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > > Saw this on the Beeb today, what struck me more > than anything was the > way the target ship heaved when the torpedo > struck and then fell > apart. Sad to see the ship die, but quite a demonstration. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7523147.stm > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jul 24 15:44:59 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:44:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sound of The Homebrew Engine Message-ID: Gang: I've just finished uploading a sound file of the Homebrew Engine in case you'reinterested. Just click on the link below and go to "The Homebrew Engine". Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 20:37:51 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:37:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> On 24/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > Hey, Peter: > > Why didn't y'all sink one of your own ships! Dang Limeys! :-) > > Take care - Elden Probably because we haven't got any left!! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Thu Jul 24 21:23:00 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:23:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> Listerdiesel wrote: > On 24/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >> Hey, Peter: >> >> Why didn't y'all sink one of your own ships! Dang Limeys! :-) >> >> Take care - Elden === I've heard Aussies called many things (rightly or wrongly so), but "Limeys" is a new one for us! JW? === From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 00:05:15 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:05:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> <48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> On 25/07/2008, Jack Watson wrote: > Listerdiesel wrote: >> On 24/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >>> Hey, Peter: >>> >>> Why didn't y'all sink one of your own ships! Dang Limeys! :-) >>> >>> Take care - Elden > === > I've heard Aussies called many things (rightly or wrongly so), but > "Limeys" is a new one for us! > > JW? > === Well, most of you started out from here.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Jul 25 14:30:54 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:30:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> <48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488A460E.4080209@rustic-engines.com> Do most "Poms" *still* live in their "glorious" Empire building days? :-P BTW my ancestors are English, Scottish, Irish and German. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > On 25/07/2008, Jack Watson wrote: > >> Listerdiesel wrote: >> >>> On 24/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >>> >>>> Hey, Peter: >>>> >>>> Why didn't y'all sink one of your own ships! Dang Limeys! :-) >>>> >>>> Take care - Elden >>>> >> === >> I've heard Aussies called many things (rightly or wrongly so), but >> "Limeys" is a new one for us! >> >> JW? >> === >> > > Well, most of you started out from here.... :-)) > > Peter > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Jul 25 14:38:44 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:38:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com><48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter that's how silly the POMS were/are, you sent the bad ones over here and you lot stayed on your little cold block :-)) Kerry >> I've heard Aussies called many things (rightly or wrongly so), but >> "Limeys" is a new one for us! >> >> JW? > Well, most of you started out from here.... :-)) > > Peter From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Jul 25 21:53:01 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:53:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com><48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601c8eedb$7b771770$72654650$@net.au> Is there many POMS left over there? We seem to have a plague of them here :-)) You know the great Australian dream? Ten thousand Arabs swimming out through Sydney Heads with a Pom under each arm :D Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Saturday, 26 July 2008 5:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test Peter that's how silly the POMS were/are, you sent the bad ones over here and you lot stayed on your little cold block :-)) Kerry >> I've heard Aussies called many things (rightly or wrongly so), but >> "Limeys" is a new one for us! >> >> JW? > Well, most of you started out from here.... :-)) > > Peter _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Jul 26 07:43:27 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:43:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <000601c8eedb$7b771770$72654650$@net.au> Message-ID: Whut's a POM? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ray And > Erica Freeman > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:53 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > > Is there many POMS left over there? We seem to > have a plague of them here > :-)) You know the great Australian dream? Ten > thousand Arabs swimming out > through Sydney Heads with a Pom under each arm :D > Ray Freeman From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Jul 26 06:49:00 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:49:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: (was) Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> <48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488B2B4C.5020608@optusnet.com.au> Listerdiesel wrote: >> === >> I've heard Aussies called many things (rightly or wrongly so), but >> "Limeys" is a new one for us! >> >> JW? >> === > > Well, most of you started out from here.... :-)) > > Peter === True, Peter. My ancestors came from Ireland, Scotland, Isle of Man, and one from England. That one did not have to pay his own fare - it was provided for him by Queen Victoria who seemed to think both he and England would benefit from a sea voyage for him. Not sure if they fed him lime juice or not. JW? (who has peculiar marks on his ankles . . .) From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jul 26 06:59:43 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:59:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Warning Tale for Old Engines That Refuse To Start Message-ID: <1217080783.488b2dcf162f0@webmail.city-net.com> http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=7/25/2008&id=43793 Actually, it might be more of a warning to the engine OWNER. If you really must shoot the damn thing (and admit it, we've ALL had that same thought from time to time), make sure that you DON'T use an illegal weapon!! Duh... See ya, Arnie From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jul 26 13:00:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:00:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: References: <000601c8eedb$7b771770$72654650$@net.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160807261300k73dc098w2fdbea3b081d6ae2@mail.gmail.com> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > Whut's a POM? Derogatory name for the natives of the British Isles, mainly used by 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described their relatives back home :-)) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jul 26 13:07:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:07:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: (was) Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <488B2B4C.5020608@optusnet.com.au> References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> <48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> <488B2B4C.5020608@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160807261307p1f8885c3s3bfe77125a8ced84@mail.gmail.com> On 26/07/2008, Jack Watson wrote: > True, Peter. My ancestors came from Ireland, Scotland, Isle of Man, and > one from England. That one did not have to pay his own fare - it was > provided for him by Queen Victoria who seemed to think both he and > England would benefit from a sea voyage for him. Not sure if they fed > him lime juice or not. > > JW? (who has peculiar marks on his ankles . . .) We had obtained emigration visas at the end of 1980 and were due to leave for Oz in the following spring. I then had a job come up on the Ghandi film shoot in India, followed by a trip to Oz over the 1980/81 Xmas, when I stayed with Rita's brother and his family. We didn't go in the end, what I saw and experienced made me change my mind about the whole thing and we stayed in the UK. Nothing in particular, loved the climate and the people, but it just wasn't what I expected, or more importantly what the glossy brochures told you to expect. Never regretted it, and we've been there again as you know :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Jul 26 15:54:45 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:54:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807261300k73dc098w2fdbea3b081d6ae2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter: Thanks for 'splainin' that to me. Now I ain't such a dumb Kaintuck..............FORMER Kaintuck. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 03:01 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > > On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > > Whut's a POM? > > Derogatory name for the natives of the British > Isles, mainly used by > 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described their > relatives back home > :-)) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Jul 27 06:14:48 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:14:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] FW: OT: Torpedo Test Message-ID: <001101c8efea$bed56160$3c802420$@net.au> Probably not to derogatory Peter. The majority of Poms fit in here real well and are well liked but they are still fair game for the Aussie sense of humour. Perth is full of "John the Pom's, Pommie Steve etc,the nick names proof that they are well regarded. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Sunday, 27 July 2008 4:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > Whut's a POM? Derogatory name for the natives of the British Isles, mainly used by 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described their relatives back home :-)) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 27 15:09:31 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:09:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test References: <000601c8eedb$7b771770$72654650$@net.au> <6f6025160807261300k73dc098w2fdbea3b081d6ae2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <330263F99C7F41CC91817313EAF7A7E4@YOURDA6F5028CB> All right. What does POM mean. We now know what Poms are, what does pom stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have "piece of crap", but crap doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >> Whut's a POM? > > Derogatory name for the natives of the British Isles, mainly used by > 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described their relatives back home > :-)) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 > 4:27 PM > > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 27 15:15:57 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:15:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test Message-ID: <04369A0DAD994BAEA496E7153DA2C878@YOURDA6F5028CB> This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would personally pick " person of mystery" myself but you guys may have some little resentment hidden inside. Or not. Who knows. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Cleveland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what Poms are, what does pom > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have "piece of crap", but crap > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? > Skip > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > >> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >>> Whut's a POM? >> >> Derogatory name for the natives of the British Isles, mainly used by >> 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described their relatives back home >> :-)) >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 >> 4:27 PM >> >> >> > From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Jul 27 16:32:50 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:32:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <04369A0DAD994BAEA496E7153DA2C878@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: Geez, guys! I ask a simple question and what do I get? A pageant! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Skip > Cleveland > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 05:16 PM > To: Skip Cleveland; The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > > This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would > personally pick " person of > mystery" myself but you guys may have some little > resentment hidden inside. > Or not. Who knows. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Cleveland" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > > > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what > Poms are, what does pom > > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have > "piece of crap", but crap > > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? > > Skip > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Listerdiesel" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > > > > >> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > >>> Whut's a POM? > >> > >> Derogatory name for the natives of the British > Isles, mainly used by > >> 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described > their relatives back home > >> :-)) > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 >> 4:27 PM >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 15:40:48 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <04369A0DAD994BAEA496E7153DA2C878@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <697524.14345.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One explaination I ran across is, Prisoner Of (his or her) Majesty --- On Sun, 7/27/08, Skip Cleveland wrote: From: Skip Cleveland Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test To: "Skip Cleveland" , "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 6:15 PM This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would personally pick " person of mystery" myself but you guys may have some little resentment hidden inside. Or not. Who knows. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Cleveland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what Poms are, what do es pom > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have "pi ece of crap", but crap > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Man ure? > Skip From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jul 27 16:03:43 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:03:43 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test References: Message-ID: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> Lets end this bullshit .....POME can mean either Prisoner of Mother England or it was a description of the ruddy [ pink] complexion of recent arrivals in Australia from England.They had a complexion that resembled a Pomegranite [fruit] . Let me state here and now, four generations ago my ancestor was a POME ...prisoner of Mother England. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > Geez, guys! > > I ask a simple question and what do I get? A pageant! :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Skip >> Cleveland >> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 05:16 PM >> To: Skip Cleveland; The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >> >> >> This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would >> personally pick " person of >> mystery" myself but you guys may have some little >> resentment hidden inside. >> Or not. Who knows. >> Skip >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Skip Cleveland" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >> >> >> > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what >> Poms are, what does pom >> > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have >> "piece of crap", but crap >> > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? >> > Skip >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Listerdiesel" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >> > >> > >> >> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >> >>> Whut's a POM? >> >> >> >> Derogatory name for the natives of the British >> Isles, mainly used by >> >> 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described >> their relatives back home >> >> :-)) >> >> >> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >>> >>> Peter >>> -- >>> Peter A Forbes >>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: >>> 7/25/2008 >>> 4:27 PM >>> >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 27 16:21:32 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:21:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test References: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: So I thought. Derogatory bullshit. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > Lets end this bullshit .....POME can mean either Prisoner of Mother > England or it was a description of the ruddy [ pink] complexion of recent > arrivals in Australia from England.They had a complexion that resembled a > Pomegranite [fruit] . > Let me state here and now, four generations ago my ancestor was a POME > ...prisoner of Mother England. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:32 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > >> Geez, guys! >> >> I ask a simple question and what do I get? A pageant! :-) >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>> Behalf Of Skip >>> Cleveland >>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 05:16 PM >>> To: Skip Cleveland; The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>> >>> >>> This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would >>> personally pick " person of >>> mystery" myself but you guys may have some little >>> resentment hidden inside. >>> Or not. Who knows. >>> Skip >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Skip Cleveland" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>> >>> >>> > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what >>> Poms are, what does pom >>> > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have >>> "piece of crap", but crap >>> > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? >>> > Skip >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Listerdiesel" >>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> >>> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>> > >>> > >>> >> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >>> >>> Whut's a POM? >>> >> >>> >> Derogatory name for the natives of the British >>> Isles, mainly used by >>> >> 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described >>> their relatives back home >>> >> :-)) >>> >> >>> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> -- >>>> Peter A Forbes >>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: >>>> 7/25/2008 >>>> 4:27 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 > 4:18 PM > > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jul 27 19:16:21 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:16:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test References: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <052EDBCBFB574FF6BEE075473CE83A7D@your9e74d7efa7> Skip....I have many Pommy friends ,all of whom I have called you ''Old Pommy Bastard''.Any Englishman who has resided in Australia knows full well that in just about all cases this is a term of endearment and is not meant a to be derogatory.....please dont ask me to repeat what we call them when we want to be derogatory! Seriously ...we like our Englishmen and it is a great thing when we defeat them on the sporting field, pity the Yanks[term of endearment] dont play Rugby or Cricket and we could dish out the same treatment! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Cleveland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > So I thought. Derogatory bullshit. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > >> Lets end this bullshit .....POME can mean either Prisoner of Mother >> England or it was a description of the ruddy [ pink] complexion of recent >> arrivals in Australia from England.They had a complexion that resembled a >> Pomegranite [fruit] . >> Let me state here and now, four generations ago my ancestor was a POME >> ...prisoner of Mother England. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Elden DuRand" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >> >> >>> Geez, guys! >>> >>> I ask a simple question and what do I get? A pageant! :-) >>> >>> Take care - Elden >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>> Behalf Of Skip >>>> Cleveland >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 05:16 PM >>>> To: Skip Cleveland; The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>>> >>>> >>>> This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would >>>> personally pick " person of >>>> mystery" myself but you guys may have some little >>>> resentment hidden inside. >>>> Or not. Who knows. >>>> Skip >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Skip Cleveland" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>>> >>>> >>>> > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what >>>> Poms are, what does pom >>>> > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have >>>> "piece of crap", but crap >>>> > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? >>>> > Skip >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Listerdiesel" >>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> >>>> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >>>> >>> Whut's a POM? >>>> >> >>>> >> Derogatory name for the natives of the British >>>> Isles, mainly used by >>>> >> 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described >>>> their relatives back home >>>> >> :-)) >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter A Forbes >>>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: >>>>> 7/25/2008 >>>>> 4:27 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 >> 4:18 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 27 19:48:47 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:48:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test References: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> <052EDBCBFB574FF6BEE075473CE83A7D@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <59944BF0DB054474A023F1C855614BEB@YOURDA6F5028CB> I don't think that any self respecting yank would play cricket but, we do have rugby teams here and I believe that they eat their young. Over here, people with British accents and ozzies as well are used to sell cars, brooms, insurance and hair (haaa) products. It add an air of sophistication unless they are plugging Jaguars then they sound like queers (term of endearment). Jig-uwer. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > Skip....I have many Pommy friends ,all of whom I have called you ''Old > Pommy > Bastard''.Any Englishman who has resided in Australia knows full well that > in just about all cases this is a term of endearment and is not meant a to > be derogatory.....please dont ask me to repeat what we call them when we > want to be derogatory! > Seriously ...we like our Englishmen and it is a great thing when we defeat > them on the sporting field, pity the Yanks[term of endearment] dont play > Rugby or Cricket and we could dish out the same treatment! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Cleveland" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > >> So I thought. Derogatory bullshit. >> Skip >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter ogborne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >> >> >>> Lets end this bullshit .....POME can mean either Prisoner of Mother >>> England or it was a description of the ruddy [ pink] complexion of >>> recent >>> arrivals in Australia from England.They had a complexion that resembled >>> a >>> Pomegranite [fruit] . >>> Let me state here and now, four generations ago my ancestor was a POME >>> ...prisoner of Mother England. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Elden DuRand" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:32 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>> >>> >>>> Geez, guys! >>>> >>>> I ask a simple question and what do I get? A pageant! :-) >>>> >>>> Take care - Elden >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>>> Behalf Of Skip >>>>> Cleveland >>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 05:16 PM >>>>> To: Skip Cleveland; The SEL email discussion list >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would >>>>> personally pick " person of >>>>> mystery" myself but you guys may have some little >>>>> resentment hidden inside. >>>>> Or not. Who knows. >>>>> Skip >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Skip Cleveland" >>>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what >>>>> Poms are, what does pom >>>>> > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have >>>>> "piece of crap", but crap >>>>> > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? >>>>> > Skip >>>>> > >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > From: "Listerdiesel" >>>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>>> >>>>> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM >>>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >>>>> >>> Whut's a POM? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Derogatory name for the natives of the British >>>>> Isles, mainly used by >>>>> >> 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described >>>>> their relatives back home >>>>> >> :-)) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Peter A Forbes >>>>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: >>>>>> 7/25/2008 >>>>>> 4:27 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: >>> 7/26/2008 >>> 4:18 PM >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1576 - Release Date: 7/27/2008 > 4:16 PM > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Jul 27 20:18:58 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:18:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com> Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the pages of the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. Item # 220261157286 Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jul 27 20:52:45 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:52:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000701c8f065$64e76ab0$0200a8c0@KAYE> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. > Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the pages > of > the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. Item # > 220261157286 > > Mark > > > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > Bluffton, Ohio > Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > Home #419.358.5206 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jul 27 20:55:33 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:55:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> That's cool, he has made mention of the Maytag collector's web site. Nothing illegal as far as I can see. I also do that for Ebay adverts. Peter, Oz > Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the pages > of > the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. Item # > 220261157286 > > Mark > > > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > Bluffton, Ohio > Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > Home #419.358.5206 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Jul 28 02:52:18 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:52:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. In-Reply-To: <000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com> <000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <488D96D2.8070900@steamengine.com.au> I cannot say how it may apply in the USA but if someone in Australia did that from an Australian website it most certainly would be illegal. I'd be surprised if USA Copyright was much different. This kind of issue is simply avoided by asking the copyright holder for permission - could you imagine it being refused, especially since it comes with a little free advertising? Mind you, if this seller was dodgy then someone might seek compensation from the website. Regards Paul Peter Lowe wrote: > That's cool, he has made mention of the Maytag collector's web site. Nothing > illegal as far as I can see. > I also do that for Ebay adverts. > > Peter, Oz > > > > > >> Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the pages >> of >> the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. Item # >> 220261157286 >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> Mark & Christine Shulaw >> Bluffton, Ohio >> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> Home #419.358.5206 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 28/07/2008 6:55 AM > > > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jul 28 03:57:04 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:57:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com><000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> <488D96D2.8070900@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002201c8f0a0$ad4c6e00$0200a8c0@KAYE> The internet is a free domain and the old adage of "if you don't want it pinched, don't put it there", goes as far as I am concerned. He was not selling the article, only using the information to enhance the sale. He also had acknowledged the Maytag Owners Club. When selling computer and electrical spares I pull from the manufacturers web site every time, it is advertising their product. I know we had this discussion before when others where using our web site photos to make a profit on Ebay, yes chase the bastards then. Peter Forbes went to the trouble of encrypting his photos. If writing an article else where, you acknowledge in your Bibliography if information was obtained from other sources. However, with the growing use of electronic sources, this is now called a Works Cited page (because biblios means book, so it is inaccurate to call it a bibliography if you used more than books). The last paragraph was pinched from a "Yahoo Answers" page ;-))) Peter, Oz >I cannot say how it may apply in the USA but if someone in Australia did > that from an Australian website it most certainly would be illegal. I'd > be surprised if USA Copyright was much different. > > This kind of issue is simply avoided by asking the copyright holder for > permission - could you imagine it being refused, especially since it > comes with a little free advertising? Mind you, if this seller was dodgy > then someone might seek compensation from the website. > > Regards > Paul > > Peter Lowe wrote: >> That's cool, he has made mention of the Maytag collector's web site. >> Nothing >> illegal as far as I can see. >> I also do that for Ebay adverts. >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> >> >>> Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the pages >>> of >>> the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. Item >>> # >>> 220261157286 >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark & Christine Shulaw >>> Bluffton, Ohio >>> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >>> Home #419.358.5206 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: >> 28/07/2008 6:55 AM >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Jul 28 04:05:55 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:05:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please Message-ID: <58E07A2B167E44BD8B1545F9C7D26B08@Young0208> Hi all, I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact with Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I have now bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . Any help appreciated Mike Young 5 Beech Cr Orange NSW Australia From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jul 28 04:14:50 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:14:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please References: <58E07A2B167E44BD8B1545F9C7D26B08@Young0208> Message-ID: <003601c8f0a3$27720b20$0200a8c0@KAYE> That's the address I have too. Peter, Oz > Hi all, > > I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact with > Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I have now > bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . > > Any help appreciated > > > Mike Young > 5 Beech Cr > Orange NSW Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Jul 28 04:26:25 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:26:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please References: <58E07A2B167E44BD8B1545F9C7D26B08@Young0208> Message-ID: <002a01c8f0a4$c5b9cc90$68c6eddc@Edd> Hi Mike.I was talking to Jennifer brookover today and she said that Don Millers e address is down and has been for some time. His address is DON MILLER 5008 LEES SUMMIT Rd KANSAS CITY MO 64136. Phone is (816)506 7920.Hope this helps. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > Hi all, > > I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact with > Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I have now > bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . > > Any help appreciated > > > Mike Young > 5 Beech Cr > Orange NSW Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Jul 28 04:55:35 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:55:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please In-Reply-To: <002a01c8f0a4$c5b9cc90$68c6eddc@Edd> References: <58E07A2B167E44BD8B1545F9C7D26B08@Young0208> <002a01c8f0a4$c5b9cc90$68c6eddc@Edd> Message-ID: <0DD8F6C9A9E64754BCD3B5FC5428A81C@Young0208> Thanks Edd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > Hi Mike.I was talking to Jennifer brookover today and she said that Don > Millers e address is down and has been for some time. > His address is DON MILLER 5008 LEES SUMMIT Rd KANSAS CITY MO 64136. Phone > is (816)506 7920.Hope this helps. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Young" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:05 PM > Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact with >> Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I have >> now >> bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . >> >> Any help appreciated >> >> >> Mike Young >> 5 Beech Cr >> Orange NSW Australia >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Jul 28 05:06:32 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:06:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. In-Reply-To: <002201c8f0a0$ad4c6e00$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com><000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> <488D96D2.8070900@steamengine.com.au> <002201c8f0a0$ad4c6e00$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <488DB648.2030204@steamengine.com.au> The law does not agree with you. Break it if you like, I wouldn't bother chasing you for the uses you've described but others are not as nice as me! This site offers a fairly reasoned view. http://www.copyright.org.au/ Regards Paul Peter Lowe wrote: > The internet is a free domain and the old adage of "if you don't want it > pinched, don't put it there", goes as far as I am concerned. He was not > selling the article, only using the information to enhance the sale. He also > had acknowledged the Maytag Owners Club. When selling computer and > electrical spares I pull from the manufacturers web site every time, it is > advertising their product. > I know we had this discussion before when others where using our web site > photos to make a profit on Ebay, yes chase the bastards then. Peter Forbes > went to the trouble of encrypting his photos. > > If writing an article else where, you acknowledge in your Bibliography if > information was obtained from other sources. > However, with the growing use of electronic sources, this is now called a > Works Cited page (because biblios means book, so it is inaccurate to call it > a bibliography if you used more than books). > The last paragraph was pinched from a "Yahoo Answers" page ;-))) > > Peter, Oz > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 28 06:05:05 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:05:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please In-Reply-To: <0DD8F6C9A9E64754BCD3B5FC5428A81C@Young0208> Message-ID: <006801c8f0b2$8e38a120$0202fea9@tommyd0x52gkco> Michael, What type Olds are you working on? Is it a Gearless? Ted borrowed the ignitor out of mine several years ago to measure and copy. I think the Gearless ignitor photo on Ted's ignitor page was my old ignitor. If you need help, measurements, etc, I'll do what I can. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Young Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please Thanks Edd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > Hi Mike.I was talking to Jennifer brookover today and she said that Don > Millers e address is down and has been for some time. > His address is DON MILLER 5008 LEES SUMMIT Rd KANSAS CITY MO 64136. Phone > is (816)506 7920.Hope this helps. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Young" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:05 PM > Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact with >> Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I have >> now >> bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . >> >> Any help appreciated >> >> >> Mike Young >> 5 Beech Cr >> Orange NSW Australia >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 28 08:04:49 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. In-Reply-To: <488D96D2.8070900@steamengine.com.au> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com> <000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> <488D96D2.8070900@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <6279.12.223.26.26.1217257489.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> It is illegal here....... they need permission. As a business owner we ran into that situation and were able to have them cease/remove their content. I also successfully fought another site that used photos from my site without permission. Bill > I cannot say how it may apply in the USA but if someone in Australia did > that from an Australian website it most certainly would be illegal. I'd > be surprised if USA Copyright was much different. > > This kind of issue is simply avoided by asking the copyright holder for > permission - could you imagine it being refused, especially since it > comes with a little free advertising? Mind you, if this seller was dodgy > then someone might seek compensation from the website. > > Regards > Paul > > Peter Lowe wrote: >> That's cool, he has made mention of the Maytag collector's web site. >> Nothing >> illegal as far as I can see. >> I also do that for Ebay adverts. >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> >> >>> Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the >>> pages >>> of >>> the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. >>> Item # >>> 220261157286 >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark & Christine Shulaw >>> Bluffton, Ohio >>> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >>> Home #419.358.5206 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: >> 28/07/2008 6:55 AM >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 28 08:06:11 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. In-Reply-To: <002201c8f0a0$ad4c6e00$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com><000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> <488D96D2.8070900@steamengine.com.au> <002201c8f0a0$ad4c6e00$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <6285.12.223.26.26.1217257571.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Legally it's not free domain. Any company has the right to tell you to stop if they so desire. It's not a matter of how you personally view it, it's the law here. > The internet is a free domain and the old adage of "if you don't want it > pinched, don't put it there", goes as far as I am concerned. He was not > selling the article, only using the information to enhance the sale. He > also > had acknowledged the Maytag Owners Club. When selling computer and > electrical spares I pull from the manufacturers web site every time, it is > advertising their product. > I know we had this discussion before when others where using our web site > photos to make a profit on Ebay, yes chase the bastards then. Peter Forbes > went to the trouble of encrypting his photos. > > If writing an article else where, you acknowledge in your Bibliography if > information was obtained from other sources. > However, with the growing use of electronic sources, this is now called a > Works Cited page (because biblios means book, so it is inaccurate to call > it > a bibliography if you used more than books). > The last paragraph was pinched from a "Yahoo Answers" page ;-))) > > Peter, Oz > > > > > >>I cannot say how it may apply in the USA but if someone in Australia did >> that from an Australian website it most certainly would be illegal. I'd >> be surprised if USA Copyright was much different. >> >> This kind of issue is simply avoided by asking the copyright holder for >> permission - could you imagine it being refused, especially since it >> comes with a little free advertising? Mind you, if this seller was dodgy >> then someone might seek compensation from the website. >> >> Regards >> Paul >> >> Peter Lowe wrote: >>> That's cool, he has made mention of the Maytag collector's web site. >>> Nothing >>> illegal as far as I can see. >>> I also do that for Ebay adverts. >>> >>> Peter, Oz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the >>>> pages >>>> of >>>> the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. >>>> Item >>>> # >>>> 220261157286 >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark & Christine Shulaw >>>> Bluffton, Ohio >>>> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >>>> Home #419.358.5206 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: >>> 28/07/2008 6:55 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 28 09:47:48 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:47:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test (Yank Rugby) In-Reply-To: <052EDBCBFB574FF6BEE075473CE83A7D@your9e74d7efa7> References: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> <052EDBCBFB574FF6BEE075473CE83A7D@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <1217263668.488df834b9024@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Peter, Hey now, Yanks do play rugby. We're just playing at a different level. For now... Which is why you lot are able to win. For now... 8-)) http://www.pittsburghharlequins.org/ See ya, Arnie Quoting peter ogborne : > Seriously ...we like our Englishmen and it is a great thing when we defeat > them on the sporting field, pity the Yanks[term of endearment] dont play > Rugby or Cricket and we could dish out the same treatment! From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jul 28 10:04:27 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:04:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 52, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080728181433.00c21ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 27/07/2008, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:00:31 +0100 >From: Listerdiesel >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > >On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > > Whut's a POM? > >Derogatory name for the natives of the British Isles, mainly used by >'Exported Poms' in Australia to described their relatives back home >:-)) > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >Peter A Forbes Hi Peter and all "Natives of the British Isles" also "the USA" and "Australia". Interesting that it should be listed as "derogatory" - that must be quite an antiquated description. We've always called "Natives of the British Isles" by that name (Poms or Pommies) - and have never regarded it as derogatory (We've got a lot of other names for you guys if we want to be derogatory ). I've often addressed a question to the lists as "one for the Pommies" or sometimes as "one for the Brits", I've never considered this to be derogatory and, in hindsight, hope that none of you guys has. As far as I'm concerned it is just "slang" (or a term of endearment if you like). The same way as I would say "One for the Aussies" or refer to Americans as "Yanks" (although I know that this name dates to the American civil war and maybe not all Americans like being called "Yanks" but that's another story). I never use any of the above "nicknames" in a derogatory manner. As mentioned, we have other descriptions (as I'm sure you all have for us), if we want to be derogatory. Of interest is that the "Wikipedia" page that you referred us to also lists "Rooinek" as one of the terms used to describe Brits. This is true - it comes from our other (white mans) official language and directly translated means "Red Neck" (this has nothing to do with the American "redneck"). As mentioned in "Wikepadia" this relates to sunburn and how the Englishman would get a sunburnt neck under the African sun. Our family is of British origin (going back to pre 1820) and my Fathers nickname amongst the local black (Xhosa) populace was "Tam Bomvu" - ("Tam" = neck and "Bomvu" = Red.) We considered this to be an honour as my father farmed in an area which had mainly Afrikaans (South Africans of Dutch descent) farmers and was well regarded as being an honest man (or "man of his word") which could not have been said for many of his neighbours. Anyway, enough history. If I ever again address a message to the lists as "one for the Poms" or "one for the Yanks" then please do not be offended - no ill is intended, just as if I said "one for the Aussies". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 28 11:12:07 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:12:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test (Last Word on Pom?) In-Reply-To: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> References: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <1217268727.488e0bf7e91b3@webmail.city-net.com> Play nice ladies. The etymology on "pom" is far from clear cut. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British#Pommy See ya, Arnie Quoting peter ogborne : > Lets end this bullshit .....POME can mean either Prisoner of Mother > England or it was a description of the ruddy [ pink] complexion of recent > arrivals in Australia from England.They had a complexion that resembled a > Pomegranite [fruit] . > Let me state here and now, four generations ago my ancestor was a POME > ...prisoner of Mother England. From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jul 28 12:53:29 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:53:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. In-Reply-To: <000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com> <000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080728155106.03116a40@pop3.wcoil.com> Yah he did credit the club, I did not see that at first. I missed that part at the very end crediting the club web site for that. I guess I was more suprised at first to see the text I had a hand at writing in someones ebay listing even if they do not really apply to what he has for sale. Mark At 11:55 PM 7/27/08, you wrote: >That's cool, he has made mention of the Maytag collector's web site. Nothing >illegal as far as I can see. >I also do that for Ebay adverts. > >Peter, Oz > > > Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the pages > > of > > the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. Item # > > 220261157286 > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > Bluffton, Ohio > > Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Home #419.358.5206 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From old_iron at msn.com Mon Jul 28 12:56:15 2008 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:56:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping In-Reply-To: <1217268727.488e0bf7e91b3@webmail.city-net.com> References: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> <1217268727.488e0bf7e91b3@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Since I now work 2 jobs so Bill can have health insurance, I have not been on the list much. Just was wondering if anyone is going to do the usual camping area grab? If so we will arrive on Tuesday with our 29' trailer with the pull out sides. Looking forward to seeing you all, for possibily the last time. XOXOX Peg Pfeiffer> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jul 28 14:38:34 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:38:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <000c01c8f0fa$4a141720$1bb76d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guys, Does anyone know if there is somebody reproducing mufflers for Gilson Johnny on the spot and if so who and do they attend Portland. Thanks in advance, Craig in Scotland From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Jul 28 14:43:08 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:43:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Coil continued Message-ID: <20080728.144309.624.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. A couple of weeks ago I asked about material for the core of a low tension coil. Armed with the good information on the list, I just completed this: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds02/photo#5228182300354054 258 It draws 2 amps on 6V and gives off a nice fat spark. Now to put a finish on it. Thanks for the lists' help. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click for free quote on refinancing your mortgage. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3eRJrkus9w7BNnTOhMc4ygchXOyKTc5uqnEmoBDFaVjgFn/ From George_Best at adp.com Mon Jul 28 14:53:09 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:53:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Coil continued In-Reply-To: <20080728.144309.624.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080728.144309.624.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105907B44AE4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Ron, So what did you use for the core and windings? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:43 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Coil continued Hi all. A couple of weeks ago I asked about material for the core of a low tension coil. Armed with the good information on the list, I just completed this: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds02/photo#522818230035405 4 258 It draws 2 amps on 6V and gives off a nice fat spark. Now to put a finish on it. Thanks for the lists' help. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click for free quote on refinancing your mortgage. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3eRJrkus9w7BNnTOhMc4 ygchXOyKTc5uqnEmoBDFaVjgFn/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 28 15:22:46 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:22:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gilson Johnny on the Spot Mufflers In-Reply-To: <000c01c8f0fa$4a141720$1bb76d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <000c01c8f0fa$4a141720$1bb76d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <1217283766.488e46b62fd06@webmail.city-net.com> Craig, If anyone knows, I'd say it would be Bob Bolthaus (sp?). I don't seem to have his email addy. Maytag Mark would have Bob's email for sure. Arnie Quoting craig morrison : > Does anyone know if there is somebody reproducing mufflers for Gilson > Johnny on the spot and if so who and do they attend Portland. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 28 15:36:04 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:36:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Found Looking for Something Else Message-ID: <1217284564.488e49d42f2e0@webmail.city-net.com> Well, I'm sure that's happened to all of us. But THIS is really neat! The Tallini Tales of Destruction http://www.logwell.com/tales/menu/index.html Here's a bit from the intro.... Enjoy!! See ya, Arnie Life is too short to compile a complete history of nitroglycerin in the oil fields. But the Tales of Destruction series represents a sincere effort to publish a chronological account of the use of nitroglycerin in the petroleum industry. These stories are based upon previously published material, company records, personal observations, and interviews and conversations with past employees and other oil well shooters. The purpose is to save these tales from oblivion, and to give readers a glimpse of one of world's deadliest industries. Never before has there been an effort to assemble such a comprehensive and voluminous collection of tales of destruction. In Northwestern Pennsylvania there flows a stream called Oil Creek. Along the banks of Oil Creek have been written some of the most thrilling and romantic chapters in oil field history. It was near this stream, on August 27, 1859, that Col. Edwin L. Drake completed the first well drilled specifically for oil. And it was there, on January 21, 1865, that Col. E.A.L. Roberts made the first successful oil well shot on the Ladies Well, using 8 pounds of black powder (nitroglycerin was first used 2 years later), ushering in the era of "Oil Well Shooting", and in no small measure saving the Pennsylvania oil industry. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Jul 28 16:53:46 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:53:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Coil continued Message-ID: <20080728.165346.624.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi George. I used .060 tie wire, cut 5' long and made a bundle to fit tightly in a 1" hole in the ends. And for the windings I used 18 ga. magnet wire. It took 20 layers to get the OD. I wanted. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:53:09 -0500 "Best, George" writes: > Ron, > > So what did you use for the core and windings? > > George ____________________________________________________________ Reduce your expense. Click here to compare prices on point of sales sytems. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l5GmdGxOTgzCaTwEHIGS1fsp312wEwWcs7UmxV8X2J77Sz7/ From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jul 28 21:03:45 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:03:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gilson Johnny on the Spot Mufflers In-Reply-To: <1217283766.488e46b62fd06@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000c01c8f0fa$4a141720$1bb76d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <1217283766.488e46b62fd06@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080729000142.02fcee20@pop3.wcoil.com> Bob Bolhuis Email him quick tonight or Bob will be at Findlay tomorrow thru Sunday. You can try calling his US cell phone this week at 419.705.1777 TTYL, Mark At 06:22 PM 7/28/08, you wrote: >Craig, > >If anyone knows, I'd say it would be Bob Bolthaus (sp?). I don't seem to have >his email addy. Maytag Mark would have Bob's email for sure. > >Arnie > >Quoting craig morrison : > > > Does anyone know if there is somebody reproducing mufflers for Gilson > > Johnny on the spot and if so who and do they attend Portland. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Tue Jul 29 02:00:04 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:00:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please In-Reply-To: <006801c8f0b2$8e38a120$0202fea9@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <006801c8f0b2$8e38a120$0202fea9@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <6A75763D931946CFB7FD01663BF0B750@Young0208> Hi Tommy, it is a gearless and could be a 12hp as it has a 7" bore like the Olds at Coolsprings, but not 100% sure as the tag is missing. It has 48" flywheels. I have got a lot of measurements off the Coolsprings engine from an Olds collector who I have forgotten the name of. He has lots of Olds and I'm sure I'll remember his name the second I press the send button. I rang Don a year or more ago and asking him to make up an ignitor for the engine for a 3" bolt spacing, so maybe when it is made it will be copy of your ignitor! I am making most of the missing parts myself but the ignitor seemed important enough to get an expert to do. Getting the bloody engine apart has been the hardset job - the flywheels have to come off to get the crank ground. When I got the keys out I thought the battle was won, but they are still putting up a fight. Anyway thanks for the offer of help, I'll keep you posted. If I break the flywheels getting them off you'll hear me scream from 12,000 mile away! Mike Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > Michael, > What type Olds are you working on? Is it a Gearless? Ted > borrowed the ignitor out of mine several years ago to measure and copy. > I think the Gearless ignitor photo on Ted's ignitor page was my old > ignitor. If you need help, measurements, etc, I'll do what I can. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Young > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:56 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > > Thanks Edd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edd Payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > > >> Hi Mike.I was talking to Jennifer brookover today and she said that > Don >> Millers e address is down and has been for some time. >> His address is DON MILLER 5008 LEES SUMMIT Rd KANSAS CITY MO 64136. > Phone >> is (816)506 7920.Hope this helps. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Young" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:05 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact > with >>> Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I > have >>> now >>> bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . >>> >>> Any help appreciated >>> >>> >>> Mike Young >>> 5 Beech Cr >>> Orange NSW Australia >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Jul 29 03:52:12 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:52:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please References: <006801c8f0b2$8e38a120$0202fea9@tommyd0x52gkco> <6A75763D931946CFB7FD01663BF0B750@Young0208> Message-ID: Mike, The challenging ones are the most fun! I've got a 6 and an 8 HP Gearless. A Gearless Olds is one sweet running engine. Let me know if I can help. Tommy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > Hi Tommy, > > it is a gearless and could be a 12hp as it has a 7" bore like the Olds at > Coolsprings, but not 100% sure as the tag is missing. It has 48" > flywheels. > I have got a lot of measurements off the Coolsprings engine from an Olds > collector who I have forgotten the name of. He has lots of Olds and I'm > sure I'll remember his name the second I press the send button. I rang > Don > a year or more ago and asking him to make up an ignitor for the engine for > a > 3" bolt spacing, so maybe when it is made it will be copy of your ignitor! > I am making most of the missing parts myself but the ignitor seemed > important enough to get an expert to do. Getting the bloody engine apart > has been the hardset job - the flywheels have to come off to get the crank > ground. When I got the keys out I thought the battle was won, but they are > still putting up a fight. > > Anyway thanks for the offer of help, I'll keep you posted. If I break the > flywheels getting them off you'll hear me scream from 12,000 mile away! > > Mike Young > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tommy Turner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > > >> Michael, >> What type Olds are you working on? Is it a Gearless? Ted >> borrowed the ignitor out of mine several years ago to measure and copy. >> I think the Gearless ignitor photo on Ted's ignitor page was my old >> ignitor. If you need help, measurements, etc, I'll do what I can. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY USA >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael >> Young >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:56 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please >> >> Thanks Edd >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Edd Payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please >> >> >>> Hi Mike.I was talking to Jennifer brookover today and she said that >> Don >>> Millers e address is down and has been for some time. >>> His address is DON MILLER 5008 LEES SUMMIT Rd KANSAS CITY MO 64136. >> Phone >>> is (816)506 7920.Hope this helps. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Michael Young" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:05 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please >>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact >> with >>>> Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I >> have >>>> now >>>> bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . >>>> >>>> Any help appreciated >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike Young >>>> 5 Beech Cr >>>> Orange NSW Australia >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1578 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 > 5:13 PM > > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jul 29 04:28:55 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:28:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine for sale Message-ID: <001d01c8f16e$497d1590$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all There is an R&V engine for sale on my web site: http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/for%20sale.htm Bottom advert click on link for photos, any questions let me or Alec know. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From gastzt at aol.com Tue Jul 29 04:34:42 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:34:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please Message-ID: Hi Mike-- Gosh that sounds like a great engine! I just got thru re-doing an old Stover with a 7" bore! (8hp)!! It was a doozer to get all freed-up-- but the rings and piston and all, was in great shape (thank goodness)--! It came from an old oil-rig out in West Texas area! Almost finished with it---got so dang hot here I decided to finish it this Oct--Nov or so! Will have some pics soon! I think it will do GREAT! Take care now-- Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx-- USA **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From gastzt at aol.com Tue Jul 29 04:46:21 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:46:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please Message-ID: Also-- just cannot wait to make an Australia trip to go to a engine show! It all looks GREAT! Stan Zettner Texas---USA **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From fanmanj4 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 12:41:38 2008 From: fanmanj4 at yahoo.com (Jay Bernard) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Test Post Message-ID: <599965.63675.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I just wanna make sure?I'm receiving list msgs From oldiron62 at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 13:07:02 2008 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:07:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Post References: <599965.63675.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008701c8f1b6$b4897bb0$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> 3:06 PM Western KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Bernard" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: [SEL] Test Post I just wanna make sure I'm receiving list msgs _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jul 29 14:34:25 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:34:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Post In-Reply-To: <599965.63675.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At least you're able to transmit. Receiving.......I dunno. :0( Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jay Bernard > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 02:42 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Test Post > > > I just wanna make sure?I'm receiving list msgs From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 29 13:49:21 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Test Post In-Reply-To: <599965.63675.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <599965.63675.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1648.12.223.26.26.1217364561.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> You aren't, try again......... > I just wanna make sure I'm receiving list msgs > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fanmanj4 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 14:09:42 2008 From: fanmanj4 at yahoo.com (Jay Bernard) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. Message-ID: <759272.68234.qm@web55910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ok, now that i know It's working, I was a member here several years back. A few of my friends were too, dont know if they're still on the list, Dick Gibbens, JB Castagnos, I'm from?Thibodaux, Louisiana, at the present time, I own one truly antique engine, my 1921 Stover KA 11/2hp.?I am also a volunteer Mechanic (when i have the time, lol) at The Laurel Valley Village museum, which has a pretty decent collection of tractors and engines. I'm currently trying to revive a 1929 (i believe) John Deere Model GP there. Well, that's a short introuduction of myself. From gastzt at aol.com Tue Jul 29 14:21:19 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:21:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. Message-ID: WOW--that IS a great little engine! I just finished (almost) a 8 hp Stover--- cannot find another on the internet--- wish I could! Can't wait to get it CRANKED up! ha take care all-- say hi to all of Louisiana! FUN place! Stan Zettner, Pleasanton, Texas **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jul 29 15:20:29 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:20:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Earth quake is CA Message-ID: <001601c8f1c9$4ef2bab0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all I hope all engines are rugged up tight and everyone is OK in southern California after the quake yesterday. Peter, Oz From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jul 29 16:36:15 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:36:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Unique spark coil on R&V engine Message-ID: <004201c8f1d3$e5080280$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all This engine is for sale, but have a look at the spark coil, does anyone recognise it, I do !!! http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/images/BL20710_forsale/BL20710f.jpg It is out of what is called an eddy current coupling/drive unit, you turn one shaft with an electric motor and the output shaft has no connection to the input shaft. As you apply current to the coil it induces a magnetic field into the rotor of the output shaft and it turns. The more current through the coil, the faster the output shaft, the difference from input to output speed is called the SLIP. Not a very efficient drive compared to modern variable frequency drives and the like, but simple and a simple control circuitry. The part in the picture here goes inside a drum with very small air gap. I used to work on these on variable speed conveyor belts in the sugar industry, around 30hp. The larger units have a water cooled coil. The coil is rapped around an iron circuit and that is all that is needed to create a spark when the ignitor point open. It would make a great sparking device and a great talking point as most people would have no idea what it is. Thought I would share. Engine for sale here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/for%20sale.htm Click on link on bottom advert for pictures. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From jbcast at charter.net Tue Jul 29 18:09:02 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:09:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. In-Reply-To: <759272.68234.qm@web55910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080729210902.9Q4AJ.169614.root@fepweb15> ---- Jay Bernard wrote: > Ok, now that i know It's working, I was a member here several years back. A few of my friends were too, dont know if they're still on the list, Dick Gibbens, JB Castagnos, > I'm from Thibodaux, Louisiana, at the present time, I own one truly antique engine, my 1921 Stover KA 11/2hp. I am also a volunteer Mechanic (when i have the time, lol) at The Laurel Valley Village museum, which has a pretty decent collection of tractors and engines. I'm currently trying to revive a 1929 (i believe) John Deere Model GP there. > Well, that's a short introuduction of myself. > > Glad to see you're back Jay, guess I see you at Laurel Valley in the fall. J.B.Castagnos From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Tue Jul 29 18:22:33 2008 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:22:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] Earth quake is CA Message-ID: Hi Peter, The quake was today here in southern California........ Yep, there was minimal structure damage....just another day in southern California! Thanks for your concern, Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 29 18:29:01 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:29:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unique spark coil on R&V engine References: <004201c8f1d3$e5080280$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <000b01c8f1e3$a605fe60$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I have made those from alternator stators . If you saw the shaft off both ends , solder on longer wires , wrap it with a half a roll of electrical tape just for fun and then find a smooth cookie tin to pack it in , you get a fat spark . They get kinda big if you use whatever is free . The microscopic suzuki stators with no core charge attached are few and far between . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > Hi all > This engine is for sale, but have a look at the spark coil, does anyone > recognise it, I do !!! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/images/BL20710_forsale/BL20710f.jpg > It is out of what is called an eddy current coupling/drive unit, you turn > one shaft with an electric motor and the output shaft has no connection to From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Tue Jul 29 18:35:48 2008 From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:35:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. In-Reply-To: <759272.68234.qm@web55910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <759272.68234.qm@web55910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1217381748.16929.1.camel@ralph> Welcome back Jay. It is nice to hear from you. Pete. On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 14:09 -0700, Jay Bernard wrote: > Ok, now that i know It's working, I was a member here several years back. A few of my friends were too, dont know if they're still on the list, Dick Gibbens, JB Castagnos, > I'm from Thibodaux, Louisiana, at the present time, I own one truly antique engine, my 1921 Stover KA 11/2hp. I am also a volunteer Mechanic (when i have the time, lol) at The Laurel Valley Village museum, which has a pretty decent collection of tractors and engines. I'm currently trying to revive a 1929 (i believe) John Deere Model GP there. > Well, that's a short introuduction of myself. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Pete Alleman pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Lafayette, Louisiana USA From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 29 19:01:08 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:01:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test Post Message-ID: <20080729.220557.1244.1.jlb94@juno.com> I'm not getting them. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) ____________________________________________________________ Visit the Big Apple. Click here for information on vacation packages and tickets. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nK3sRrqEUTE5ulJQKCHJ29br1Jrng8n7lzcqmyvZHaBCuLz/ From oldiron62 at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 19:28:30 2008 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:28:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Post References: <20080729.220557.1244.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00f401c8f1eb$fff4c8e0$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> You are getting here OK. Kevin in HOT dry Western, Ky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L. Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Test Post > I'm not getting them. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) > ____________________________________________________________ > Visit the Big Apple. Click here for information on vacation packages and > tickets. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nK3sRrqEUTE5ulJQKCHJ29br1Jrng8n7lzcqmyvZHaBCuLz/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jul 29 22:23:14 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:23:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Earth quake is CA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72219863-04AB-4B83-A1D4-0069AF1681AC@rustyiron.com> On Jul 29, 2008, at 6:22 PM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > The quake was today here in southern California........ > Yep, there was minimal structure damage....just another day in > southern > California! Hey, Wink! As bitchin' as the ride is, the aftermath is a pain in the arse. We're relatively low-rise here in OC, but I still had to hoof a total of 41 stories as a result of today's temblor. Dig this video from the Incycle store in San Dimas. http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_10034350 Party on, Garth. Rob From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jul 29 22:50:39 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:50:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Earth quake is CA Message-ID: <20080729.225039.1180.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rob. So does that mean you cut your evening exercise on the stair stepper in half? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:23:14 -0700 Rob Skinner writes: > > On Jul 29, 2008, at 6:22 PM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > > The quake was today here in southern California........ > > Yep, there was minimal structure damage....just another day in > > southern > > California! > > Hey, Wink! > As bitchin' as the ride is, the aftermath is a pain in the arse. > We're relatively low-rise here in OC, but I still had to hoof a > total > of 41 stories as a result of today's temblor. Dig this video from > the > Incycle store in San Dimas. > http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_10034350 > > Party on, Garth. > Rob ____________________________________________________________ Don't stay in a roach motel. Click here to find great deals on hotels. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nLmLgtWeBGprjenwnpRYoax1fh2ZiMRznbnQ33Q6bV2mnn3/ From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jul 30 05:16:26 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:16:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. Message-ID: <073020081216.15750.48905B9A0000C59000003D86219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Jay, Welcome back to the list. If you send me the serial number for that Stover engine I will be glad to look up some history on it from our club's orginal Stover Records. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Jay Bernard To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:18:27 +0000 > Ok, now that i know It's working, I was a member here several years back. A few > of my friends were too, dont know if they're still on the list, Dick Gibbens, JB > Castagnos, > I'm from?Thibodaux, Louisiana, at the present time, I own one truly antique > engine, my 1921 Stover KA 11/2hp.?I am also a volunteer Mechanic (when i have > the time, lol) at The Laurel Valley Village museum, which has a pretty decent > collection of tractors and engines. I'm currently trying to revive a 1929 (i > believe) John Deere Model GP there. > Well, that's a short introuduction of myself. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 30 07:54:39 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction Message-ID: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Hi All, The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us. Dave PS, If you have contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please do so again. I've kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin now! PPS, Be sure to bring something to auction off for charity! PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those FATG's there this year! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 08:45:35 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:45:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. In-Reply-To: <759272.68234.qm@web55910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <759272.68234.qm@web55910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Welcome back Jay!Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:09:42 -0700> From: fanmanj4 at yahoo.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working..> > Ok, now that i know It's working, I was a member here several years back. A few of my friends were too, dont know if they're still on the list, Dick Gibbens, JB Castagnos, > I'm from Thibodaux, Louisiana, at the present time, I own one truly antique engine, my 1921 Stover KA 11/2hp. I am also a volunteer Mechanic (when i have the time, lol) at The Laurel Valley Village museum, which has a pretty decent collection of tractors and engines. I'm currently trying to revive a 1929 (i believe) John Deere Model GP there. > Well, that's a short introuduction of myself. > > _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 08:47:14 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:47:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Stan, Is your engine like this one: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA> From: gastzt at aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:21:19 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working..> > WOW--that IS a great little engine! I just finished (almost) a 8 hp > Stover--- cannot find another on the internet--- wish I could! Can't wait to get > it CRANKED up! ha> take care all-- say hi to all of Louisiana! FUN place!> Stan Zettner,> Pleasanton, Texas _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 09:12:54 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:12:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, The cloistered oyster brothers will be there as usual, bidding high and often! > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400> Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction> > Hi All,> The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us.> Dave> PS, If you have contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please > do so again. I've kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin > now!> PPS, Be sure to bring something to auction off for charity!> PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those FATG's there this year!> > > > --------> David Rotigel> rotigel at alltel.net> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 09:23:49 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:23:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: try this link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA > From: flywheelin at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:47:14 +0000> Subject: Re: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover> > > Hi Stan,> > Is your engine like this one:> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA> From: gastzt at aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:21:19 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working..> > WOW--that IS a great little engine! I just finished (almost) a 8 hp > Stover--- cannot find another on the internet--- wish I could! Can't wait to get > it CRANKED up! ha> take care all-- say hi to all of Louisiana! FUN place!> Stan Zettner,> Pleasanton, Texas _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm From gastzt at aol.com Wed Jul 30 10:46:25 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:46:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover Message-ID: Hi there Luke! Yes this DOES look like mine (8hp)---- Only thing different is that one IS running--ha haa! Can't wait to get mine fired up--! Wife been having some health problems, so been trying to get that resolved--then, guess what---will get back to the final fixin's! Just need to put the mixer on it and a couple of small things etc! I'll have some pics on here soon (when I find them)--- and THANKS for the RE---appreciate that a lot Stan Pleasanton, Texas ps: what part of the country is the one you sent? thanks again! **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 30 11:04:21 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:04:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1217441061.4890ad2573f5e@webmail.city-net.com> And making little girls cry if memory serves.... Quoting Steve Royster : > Hi Dave, The cloistered oyster brothers will be there as usual, bidding high > and often! From oldengineman at hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 11:08:36 2008 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:08:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, I'm looking forward to being there again this year. Pete Stauffer > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400> Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction> > Hi All,> The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us.> Dave> PS, If you have contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please > do so again. I've kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin > now!> PPS, Be sure to bring something to auction off for charity!> PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those FATG's there this year!> > > > --------> David Rotigel> rotigel at alltel.net> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jul 30 18:50:02 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:50:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: <005601c8f2af$bf839790$726f4b47@mikecomp> That reminds me, I need to go through your basement before we go to Portland!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction > > Hi Dave, The cloistered oyster brothers will be there as usual, bidding > high and often! > > > > > > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: >> rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400> Subject: [SEL] >> Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction> > Hi All,> The Annual >> Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on >> Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be >> at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland >> (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I >> should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so >> please let me know if you plan to join us.> Dave> PS, If you have >> contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please > do so again. I've >> kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin > now!> PPS, Be sure >> to bring something to auction off for charity!> PPPS, Sure would like to >> get some of those FATG's there this year!> > > > --------> David Rotigel> >> rotigel at alltel.net> > > > _____________________________! > __________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jul 30 18:52:31 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:52:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> <1217441061.4890ad2573f5e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <006c01c8f2b0$18b28e20$726f4b47@mikecomp> That's Steve, I prefer making the big girls cry!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction > And making little girls cry if memory serves.... > > Quoting Steve Royster : > >> Hi Dave, The cloistered oyster brothers will be there as usual, bidding >> high >> and often! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 30 20:03:06 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:03:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: <9FA0DA8E-500F-482B-AFBA-FCE2BDEF9426@alltel.net> After what Steve did to that poor little defenseless girl several years ago, I would think it likely that she would never attend another show in he entire life! Those sorts of scars warp the psychi Shirley, on the other hand should just BE TOLD to attend--no big deal here! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Dave, > > I'll be there. Not sure if Shirley and Brooky are coming yet or not. > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: rotigel at alltel.net > > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400 > > Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction > > > > Hi All, > > The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > > be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > > auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > > north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > > expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us. > > Dave > > PS, If you have contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please > > do so again. I've kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin > > now! > > PPS, Be sure to bring something to auction off for charity! > > PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those FATG's there this year! > > > > > > > > -------- > > David Rotigel > > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. IM > anytime you're online. From gibsongus at earthlink.net Wed Jul 30 22:14:29 2008 From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:14:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [SEL] Earth quake is CA Message-ID: <22636914.1217481269525.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Did you have an earthquake?? I just though the motorhome was doing the bugulaue or something ... -----Original Message----- >From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com >Sent: Jul 29, 2008 6:22 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Earth quake is CA > >Hi Peter, >The quake was today here in southern California........ >Yep, there was minimal structure damage....just another day in southern >California! >Thanks for your concern, > >Wink & Ginger Thornton, >Yucca Valley Ca., USA >KG6TVW, KG6TVV >The older the violin....the sweeter the music! >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= > > > >************** >Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy >Football today. > >(http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jul 30 23:01:03 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:01:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001a01c8f2d2$d11d2020$28706d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Dave, Count me in for the dinner and auction. Cheers Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction > Hi All, > The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us. > Dave > PS, If you have contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please > do so again. I've kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin > now! > PPS, Be sure to bring something to auction off for charity! > PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those FATG's there this year! > > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.7/1581 - Release Date: 30/07/2008 > 06:56 > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 23:41:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:41:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160807302341l1685ec9cjbeeb86cc55d9339b@mail.gmail.com> On 30/07/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us. > Dave We will be there, and we have some stuff for the auction as per usual. Peter & Rita -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From astfgl at iamnota.org Thu Jul 31 02:34:43 2008 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:34:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Need B&D ValveMaster manual Message-ID: <48918733.6080409@iamnota.org> I've been lucky(?) enough to buy an old Black and Decker VALVEMASTER valve grinding setup. As well as the benchtop machine, there's the original wooden cabinet with the Vibro-Centric Driving Tool, stone re-facer and drawers for stones, guides and widgets. The only paper in the box is a damaged two-page manual for the stone dresser, so I'm looking for a manual for the rest of the gear. PDF or scanned images would be best, but I'd be happy to reimburse postage costs, too. Here's a few pics of the machine and accessories: http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7551s.JPG http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7542s.JPG http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7543s.JPG http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7545s.JPG http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7546s.JPG Cheers, glen. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 31 02:55:01 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:55:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need B&D ValveMaster manual References: <48918733.6080409@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <00ca01c8f2f3$825c4940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi Glen. You did well there! I got an old Soux unit that is similar. It was destined for the tip. Since I have had it, it has helped a lot of engine folk. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:34 PM Subject: [SEL] Need B&D ValveMaster manual > I've been lucky(?) enough to buy an old Black and Decker VALVEMASTER > valve grinding setup. As well as the benchtop machine, there's the > original wooden cabinet with the Vibro-Centric Driving Tool, stone > re-facer and drawers for stones, guides and widgets. > > The only paper in the box is a damaged two-page manual for the stone > dresser, so I'm looking for a manual for the rest of the gear. PDF or > scanned images would be best, but I'd be happy to reimburse postage > costs, too. > > Here's a few pics of the machine and accessories: > > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7551s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7542s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7543s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7545s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7546s.JPG > > Cheers, glen. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jul 31 03:02:10 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:02:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need B&D ValveMaster manual References: <48918733.6080409@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <001801c8f2f4$7fdde650$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi Glen Lucky you, they are a nice machine, I have the Black and Decker VALVEMASTER and Vibro-Centric Driving Tool as well as stones. I am missing the 5/16" valve guide for doing the seats if anyone has a spare they would like to sell. You can see mine here, the gold was original, I just re-painted it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > I've been lucky(?) enough to buy an old Black and Decker VALVEMASTER > valve grinding setup. As well as the benchtop machine, there's the > original wooden cabinet with the Vibro-Centric Driving Tool, stone > re-facer and drawers for stones, guides and widgets. > > The only paper in the box is a damaged two-page manual for the stone > dresser, so I'm looking for a manual for the rest of the gear. PDF or > scanned images would be best, but I'd be happy to reimburse postage > costs, too. > > Here's a few pics of the machine and accessories: > > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7551s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7542s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7543s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7545s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7546s.JPG > > Cheers, glen. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jul 31 06:49:45 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:49:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's in my barn in Rockford, Michigan Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA > From: gastzt at aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:46:25 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover> > Hi there Luke! > Yes this DOES look like mine (8hp)---- Only thing different is that one > IS running--ha haa! Can't wait to get mine fired up--! Wife been having > some health problems, so been trying to get that resolved--then, guess > what---will get back to the final fixin's! Just need to put the mixer on it and a > couple of small things etc!> I'll have some pics on here soon (when I find them)--- and THANKS for > the RE---appreciate that a lot> Stan> Pleasanton, Texas> > ps: what part of the country is the one you sent? thanks again! _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jul 31 07:20:06 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:20:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <9FA0DA8E-500F-482B-AFBA-FCE2BDEF9426@alltel.net> References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> <9FA0DA8E-500F-482B-AFBA-FCE2BDEF9426@alltel.net> Message-ID: Believe me Shirley wants to go. She's not sure if she can handle it or not. She's been trying to heal a herniated disk in her lower back. She can't sit for extended periods. She can stand or lay down. At home that's fine, when she's on her feet I have her cooking and cleaning, and when she's laying down I have her, well, you know. The ride down to Portland would be the tough part for her. Her back is much better than it was and she's hoping it will be good enough she can handle the 5 hour drive. Brooky has healed well, you can now say "auction" or "Portland" without her tearing up. I haven't asked her lately if she remembers that Steve guy. She used to refer to him as "that mean old man". Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comFrom: rotigel at alltel.netSubject: Re: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity AuctionDate: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:03:06 -0400To: flywheelin at hotmail.com After what Steve did to that poor little defenseless girl several years ago, I would think it likely that she would never attend another show in he entire life! Those sorts of scars warp the psychi Shirley, on the other hand should just BE TOLD to attend--no big deal here! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: Dave, I'll be there. Not sure if Shirley and Brooky are coming yet or not.Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400> Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction> > Hi All,> The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us.> Dave> PS, If you have contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please > do so again. I've kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin > now!> PPS, Be sure to bring something to auction off for charity!> PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those FATG's there this year!> > > > --------> David Rotigel> rotigel at alltel.net> _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 31 07:59:19 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:59:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover Message-ID: Luke--- Well by golly it will NOT overheat up there in that barn!! Ha! Hope to see it GO someday! Gee thanks for the RE------ Stan 8hp Stover Pleasanton, Tx **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 31 07:59:47 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:59:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover Message-ID: it's a Stover K ca 1921 Stan **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 31 08:08:10 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:08:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction Message-ID: Luke-- my wife is exactly in the same boat---just got thru with a lower back operation--- kinda' having hell--- better for me when laying down to just hit the couch--LOL! Oh well--- at almost 70 to hell with it--LOL! She anxious to go to the shows again--- just waiting for Fall of the year! She loves watching those ol' 1 bangers! Especially the 7" bore- long strokers--ha Stan Pleasanton, tx **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Jul 31 19:46:52 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:46:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net><9FA0DA8E-500F-482B-AFBA-FCE2BDEF9426@alltel.net> Message-ID: <00d401c8f380$dad16aa0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Luke: It pains me to tell family secrets like this, but Steve has always been ruthless around cute little girls. Did you know we have a sister named Susan? Probably not after what Steve did to her. Little Brooky got off easy compared to Susan. You know how my brother abused me growing up, as I have the scars and stories to prove it. But for my poor defenseless sister, (sob sob), I can hardly relate the TRUE story when Steve, jealous of the baby sister, broke a Coke bottle over her head as she sat in the high chair at the supper table, not even 2 years old!!!! I can't talk about this anymore, the tears are ruining my drink. Poor Steve, poor Susan, poor Brooky! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "David Rotigel" Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction > > Believe me Shirley wants to go. She's not sure if she can handle it or > not. She's been trying to heal a herniated disk in her lower back. She > can't sit for extended periods. She can stand or lay down. At home that's > fine, when she's on her feet I have her cooking and cleaning, and when > she's laying down I have her, well, you know. The ride down to Portland > would be the tough part for her. Her back is much better than it was and > she's hoping it will be good enough she can handle the 5 hour drive. > Brooky has healed well, you can now say "auction" or "Portland" without > her tearing up. I haven't asked her lately if she remembers that Steve > guy. She used to refer to him as "that mean old man". > > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > > > CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comFrom: rotigel at alltel.netSubject: Re: > [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity AuctionDate: Wed, 30 Jul > 2008 23:03:06 -0400To: flywheelin at hotmail.com > > After what Steve did to that poor little defenseless girl several years > ago, I would think it likely that she would never attend another show in > he entire life! Those sorts of scars warp the psychi Shirley, on the > other hand should just BE TOLD to attend--no big deal here! > Dave > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Dave, I'll be there. Not sure if Shirley and Brooky are coming yet or > not.Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA > To: > at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: > rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400> Subject: [SEL] > Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction> > Hi All,> The Annual > Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on > Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be at > the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland (Rt. 27 > on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should > give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so please let > me know if you plan to join us.> Dave> PS, If you have contacted me before > about the dinner/auction, please > do so again. I've kept no record of > requests/questions. I will begin > now!> PPS, Be sure to bring something > to auction off for charity!> PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those! > FATG's there this year!> > > > --------> David Rotigel> > rotigel at alltel.net> > _________________________________________________________________ > Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jul 1 05:01:57 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:01:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley parts wanted Message-ID: <000f01c8db72$4344dbc0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all Does anyone have the 70 tooth gear that drives off the cam shaft of a Wolseley R model 2 1/2hp shearing engine. This gear drives the magneto gear. Also after a 2 1/2hp muffler and carby bowl, these are the hard to get parts. They are not for me but for a new restorer in Queensland that contacted me. If anyone has parts for sale then put a price on them and let me know please. Regards Peter, Oz From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Jul 1 06:27:13 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:27:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FW: 6HP Robertsonville Message-ID: <380-22008721132713921@coastalnet.com> Can anyone help Herman out? If so, contact him at: hmeier at metrofloors.com Thanks, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Meier, Herman To: christison at coastalnet.com Sent: 7/1/2008 9:14:34 AM Subject: 6HP Robertsonville Ken, Do you know of anyone having a 6hp Robertsonville with "S" spoke wheels? Looking for a parts engine Thanks Herman Herman Meier Sales Representative - Southern Idaho Region Metropolitan Hardwood Floors (US), Inc. 19406 68th Avenue S. Kent, WA 98032-1193 UNITED STATES d. c. 208.284.4437 f. E-mail hmeier at metrofloors.com From Frank at lbpinc.com Tue Jul 1 09:35:43 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:35:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator Message-ID: <20080701163555.13B6F597F3@gw1.nlenet.net> Hi Peter, At this rate you need to start acquiring some vintage lights for a really nifty "electrical" display with all these gennys. See ya, Arnie ------------------------------------------ It would be fun to see the English version of this. http://lbpinc.com/light6.jpg Frank From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jul 1 09:53:07 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:53:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FW: 6HP Robertsonville In-Reply-To: <380-22008721132713921@coastalnet.com> References: <380-22008721132713921@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590771652A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Bet this is the Robertsonville engine that I heard about that fell off a trailer and broke the flywheels and bent the crankshaft. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:27 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine Cc: hmeier at metrofloors.com Subject: [SEL] FW: 6HP Robertsonville Can anyone help Herman out? If so, contact him at: hmeier at metrofloors.com Thanks, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Meier, Herman To: christison at coastalnet.com Sent: 7/1/2008 9:14:34 AM Subject: 6HP Robertsonville Ken, Do you know of anyone having a 6hp Robertsonville with "S" spoke wheels? Looking for a parts engine Thanks Herman Herman Meier Sales Representative - Southern Idaho Region Metropolitan Hardwood Floors (US), Inc. 19406 68th Avenue S. Kent, WA 98032-1193 UNITED STATES d. c. 208.284.4437 f. E-mail hmeier at metrofloors.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From curt at rustyiron.com Tue Jul 1 10:24:16 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] FW: 6HP Robertsonville In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590771652A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <380-22008721132713921@coastalnet.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590771652A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <25265.168.215.206.73.1214933056.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> George, Sounds like THAT'S a parts engine now! :-) Bet Kenny would buy what's left. Curt > Bet this is the Robertsonville engine that I heard about that fell off a > trailer and broke the flywheels and bent the crankshaft. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken > Christison > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:27 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine > Cc: hmeier at metrofloors.com > Subject: [SEL] FW: 6HP Robertsonville > > Can anyone help Herman out? If so, contact him at: > hmeier at metrofloors.com > > Thanks, > > Ken > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Meier, Herman > To: christison at coastalnet.com > Sent: 7/1/2008 9:14:34 AM > Subject: 6HP Robertsonville > > > Ken, > > Do you know of anyone having a 6hp Robertsonville with "S" spoke wheels? > Looking for a parts engine > > Thanks > > Herman > > > Herman Meier > Sales Representative - Southern Idaho Region > Metropolitan Hardwood Floors (US), Inc. > 19406 68th Avenue S. > Kent, WA 98032-1193 UNITED STATES > d. > c. 208.284.4437 > f. > E-mail hmeier at metrofloors.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jul 1 13:44:57 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:44:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] FW: 6HP Robertsonville Message-ID: In a message dated 7/1/2008 1:05:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: Bet this is the Robertsonville engine that I heard about that fell off a trailer and broke the flywheels and bent the crankshaft. That is terrible!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germaoamer at AOL.com **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jul 1 16:57:52 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:57:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator In-Reply-To: <20080701163555.13B6F597F3@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: 'Ya caint run them vintage lights without some vintage electrick. That vintage generator should make old enough electrons. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Frank > DeWitt > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:36 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight > Generator > > > Hi Peter, > > At this rate you need to start acquiring some > vintage lights for a really nifty > "electrical" display with all these gennys. > > See ya, Arnie From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jul 1 22:40:20 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:40:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Schebler carb info. Message-ID: <20080701.224020.620.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Does anyone have, or know of a manual for the Schebler brass carbs like are on the Cushman vertical engines? I have seen them on a variety of engines but now need information on how they work, specifically the area of air intake. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Beauty Advice Just Got a Makeover Read reviews about the beauty products you have always wanted to try http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7VSD93PfHjUJfoYoVrBTqX9TW9NagwT8ksh4xkQQThB75kh/ From jbcast at charter.net Wed Jul 2 04:09:19 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 4:09:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Schebler carb info. In-Reply-To: <20080701.224020.620.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20080702070919.ZFFL6.28410.root@mp20> ---- rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > Does anyone have, or know of a manual for the Schebler brass carbs like > are on the Cushman vertical engines? I have seen them on a variety of > engines but now need information on how they work, specifically the area > of air intake. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell Look at this site, http://www.oldmarineengine.com/technical/carburetor/scheblerD.html or search here for more http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/3433/3433.html J.B. Castagnos From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jul 2 08:21:36 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:21:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New engines! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059071232BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20080524.231318.1904.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059071232BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059077172C2@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Last Friday I went to the auction at Moses Lake Washington. I had picked out a few engines that I wanted to try for prior to the auction and was lucky enough to come home with two of them. The first engine I got was a unknown engine. Actually, it still is unknown! It is a 2 cycle engine, but not the mixed fuel type. Guessing it is a 3 or 4hp engine, but have no way of really knowing until it has been identified. I posted several pictures of it on Smokstak, but haven't had a single response. I'm pretty sure it would run if I had a usable buzz coil and got the engine fueled, oiled, and secured. The second engine I got is a 3hp Gade. I had to pass on bidding on a few other engines to save my money for a try at the Gade. One of the bad things of limited resources and one of the engines you really want being at the end of the auction. Other than the paint job currently on the Gade I'm quite happy with it and had it running the day after the auction. Really didn't need anything except some fresh gas and to clean out the fuel line. Oh.... it also needed much lighter governor springs as it ran way too fast the first time I started it up. Also put a muffler on it from one of my other engines. That ported exhaust was a bit loud! Does anyone know if someone sells reproduction or original mufflers for Gade engine? George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jul 2 08:53:16 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:53:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au> References: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080702114716.02f6f700@pop3.wcoil.com> Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio Hi All , I just bought a Maytag aluminum tub washer in Bloomington Minnesota a suburb of Minneapolis. I need to arrange transport for it to Ohio or points east. It could also go south to Iowa or South east to Wisconsin or Illinois, I know people there who I could ask to store or might be able to complete transport further east. It is not a restored machine so theres no concern of damaging a paint finish. Just protect from breakage as would normally be done. Thank You, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 2 09:26:39 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080702114716.02f6f700@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080702114716.02f6f700@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1396.165.206.180.192.1215015999.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I know car people in that very area, so if you don't find a ride for it, I could post a message on the AMCForum and see if anyone is hauling a car down this way for the weekend, etc......... There's a couple AMC folks who live right there. It could sit in my garage then. Bill > Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio > > Hi All , I just bought a Maytag aluminum tub washer in Bloomington > Minnesota a suburb of Minneapolis. I need to arrange transport for it to > Ohio or points east. It could also go south to Iowa or South east to > Wisconsin or Illinois, I know people there who I could ask to store or > might be able to complete transport further east. It is not a restored > machine so theres no concern of damaging a paint finish. Just protect from > breakage as would normally be done. > > Thank You, Mark > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > Bluffton, Ohio > Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > Home #419.358.5206 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jul 2 09:56:00 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:56:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens! Update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080702184722.00bf5d00@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Everyone, Just a quick update, I finally got the correct serial number on the SB lathe and LeBlond lathes have replied as follows: 1. Serial Number: 119990 2. Catalog Number: 113-C 3. Size: 13"X6' 4. 1HP; 400V/3PH/50CY 5. 1425 RPM 6. Ship Date: November 17, 1941 7. Originally sold to the U.S. War Department in Chicago, Illinois. It's always nice to get this kind of information. That electric motor was obviously changed to 220 v single phase when it got to South Africa. I wonder how it ended up in a newspaper toolroom in South Africa - probably "War surplus". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:06:50 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:06:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080702114716.02f6f700@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080702114716.02f6f700@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: I will be travelling to Nevada Iowa (near Des Moines) and back home the week of July 14 if I can help let me know. I will have room in the truck and can store if needed. Ed Herreid Trevor WI 53179> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:53:16 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: frappi at wcoil.com> Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio> > Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio> > Hi All , I just bought a Maytag aluminum tub washer in Bloomington > Minnesota a suburb of Minneapolis. I need to arrange transport for it to > Ohio or points east. It could also go south to Iowa or South east to > Wisconsin or Illinois, I know people there who I could ask to store or > might be able to complete transport further east. It is not a restored > machine so theres no concern of damaging a paint finish. Just protect from > breakage as would normally be done.> > Thank You, Mark> > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw> Bluffton, Ohio> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com> Home #419.358.5206> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Jul 2 13:50:35 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] New engines! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059077172C2@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20080524.231318.1904.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059071232BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059077172C2@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <24737.168.215.206.73.1215031835.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> George, Pictures? Curt > Last Friday I went to the auction at Moses Lake Washington. I had > picked out a few engines that I wanted to try for prior to the auction > and was lucky enough to come home with two of them. > > The first engine I got was a unknown engine. Actually, it still is > unknown! It is a 2 cycle engine, but not the mixed fuel type. Guessing > it is a 3 or 4hp engine, but have no way of really knowing until it has > been identified. I posted several pictures of it on Smokstak, but > haven't had a single response. I'm pretty sure it would run if I had a > usable buzz coil and got the engine fueled, oiled, and secured. > > The second engine I got is a 3hp Gade. I had to pass on bidding on a > few other engines to save my money for a try at the Gade. One of the > bad things of limited resources and one of the engines you really want > being at the end of the auction. > > Other than the paint job currently on the Gade I'm quite happy with it > and had it running the day after the auction. Really didn't need > anything except some fresh gas and to clean out the fuel line. Oh.... > it also needed much lighter governor springs as it ran way too fast the > first time I started it up. Also put a muffler on it from one of my > other engines. That ported exhaust was a bit loud! > > Does anyone know if someone sells reproduction or original mufflers for > Gade engine? > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jul 2 14:34:56 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:34:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New engines! In-Reply-To: <24737.168.215.206.73.1215031835.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <20080524.231318.1904.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059071232BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059077172C2@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <24737.168.215.206.73.1215031835.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105907748DEB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Pictures of the unknown blue engine are on SmokStak. The thread is "Blue engine pictures" George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New engines! George, Pictures? Curt This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 15:34:37 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:34:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator In-Reply-To: <20080701163555.13B6F597F3@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080701163555.13B6F597F3@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160807021534i7beb068s3eac19dfbd2386bf@mail.gmail.com> On 01/07/2008, Frank DeWitt wrote: > Hi Peter, > > At this rate you need to start acquiring some vintage lights for a really > nifty > "electrical" display with all these gennys. > > See ya, Arnie > ------------------------------------------ > It would be fun to see the English version of this. > > http://lbpinc.com/light6.jpg > > Frank Frank/Arnie (split personality??) See: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Switchboard/Generator.htm Plenty of meters and switches.... If you look at the old power station switchboard towards the end of that section, we are trying to save a similar unit from the scrap man from the next station down the river, they are both hydro-electric stations that we supplied new chargers to recently. The board in the pictures has been saved, and is now preserved in the visitor centre at the station. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 2 18:34:05 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:34:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008201c8dcac$e79c1270$0300a8c0@l2800> Nevada, IA - go north out of Des Moines on I35 to Ames area, head east on Hwy 30, it's just east of Ames a few minutes, about 45 minutes from here. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Herreid Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:07 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio I will be travelling to Nevada Iowa (near Des Moines) and back home the week of July 14 if I can help let me know. I will have room in the truck and can store if needed. Ed Herreid Trevor WI 53179> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:53:16 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: frappi at wcoil.com> Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio> > Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio> > Hi All , I just bought a Maytag aluminum tub washer in Bloomington > Minnesota a suburb of Minneapolis. I need to arrange transport for it to > Ohio or points east. It could also go south to Iowa or South east to > Wisconsin or Illinois, I know people there who I could ask to store or > might be able to complete transport further east. It is not a restored > machine so theres no concern of damaging a paint finish. Just protect from > breakage as would normally be done.> > Thank You, Mark> > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw> Bluffton, Ohio> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com> Home #419.358.5206> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mob ile_Zune_V3 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Jul 2 19:06:46 2008 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:06:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: RE: 6HP Robertsonville] Message-ID: <486C3436.2030302@wightman.ca> If anyone can help Herman, please do so directly. Thanks, Duncan -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: 6HP Robertsonville Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 04:05:51 -0700 From: Meier, Herman To: Duncan Denman Duncan, My Dad had just restored this winter a 6HP Robertsonville, on the way to a show it feel off his trailer and broke a fly wheel. First for him in 30 years of showing engines to have one fall off his trailer. The straps broke due to vibration. Lesson being always use chains. Yes, please forward to anyone you know. The fly wheels on a 6HP are "S" spokes Thanks Herman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Duncan Denman [mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:42 PM To: Meier, Herman Subject: Re: 6HP Robertsonville Hi Herman, Nobody off the top of my head. Let me forward your message to a couple of places and see if that's okay with you. Guy in Quebec has a 5 HP but I am not sure how close the parts are. What kind of parts do you need? Duncan Meier, Herman wrote: Duncan Do you know of anyone having a 6hp Robertsonville with "S" spoke wheels? Looking for a parts engine Thanks Herman Herman Meier Sales Representative - Southern Idaho Region Metropolitan Hardwood Floors (US), Inc. 19406 68th Avenue S. Kent, WA 98032-1193 UNITED STATES d. c. 208.284.4437 f. E-mail hmeier at metrofloors.com mhfsig The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. 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The entire content of this e-mail and any attachments, including any quotations, is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon by the recipient in any way unless otherwise confirmed in writing by way of letter and/or facsimile from Metropolitan Hardwood Floors (US), Inc. mhfdisc From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 15:35:06 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:35:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator In-Reply-To: <20080701163555.13B6F597F3@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080701163555.13B6F597F3@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160807021535x5d9e4020v15783b28c5b13647@mail.gmail.com> On 01/07/2008, Frank DeWitt wrote: > Hi Peter, > > At this rate you need to start acquiring some vintage lights for a really > nifty > "electrical" display with all these gennys. > > See ya, Arnie > ------------------------------------------ > It would be fun to see the English version of this. > > http://lbpinc.com/light6.jpg > > Frank Frank/Arnie (split personality??) See: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Switchboard/Generator.htm Plenty of meters and switches.... If you look at the old power station switchboard towards the end of that section, we are trying to save a similar unit from the scrap man from the next station down the river, they are both hydro-electric stations that we supplied new chargers to recently. The board in the pictures has been saved, and is now preserved in the visitor centre at the station. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jul 3 05:28:17 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:28:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio In-Reply-To: <008201c8dcac$e79c1270$0300a8c0@l2800> References: <008201c8dcac$e79c1270$0300a8c0@l2800> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080703081501.02e81eb0@pop3.wcoil.com> Yup, been there, Theres a nice Mexican restaurant downtown. Mark At 09:34 PM 7/2/08, you wrote: >Nevada, IA - go north out of Des Moines on I35 to Ames area, head east on >Hwy 30, it's just east of Ames a few minutes, about 45 minutes from here. > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Herreid >Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:07 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio > > >I will be travelling to Nevada Iowa (near Des Moines) and back home the week >of July 14 if I can help let me know. I will have room in the truck and can >store if needed. > >Ed Herreid >Trevor WI 53179> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:53:16 -0400> To: >sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: frappi at wcoil.com> Subject: [SEL] >Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa or Ohio> > Hauling needed Minnesota to Iowa >or Ohio> > Hi All , I just bought a Maytag aluminum tub washer in >Bloomington > Minnesota a suburb of Minneapolis. I need to arrange transport >for it to > Ohio or points east. It could also go south to Iowa or South >east to > Wisconsin or Illinois, I know people there who I could ask to >store or > might be able to complete transport further east. It is not a >restored > machine so theres no concern of damaging a paint finish. Just >protect from > breakage as would normally be done.> > Thank You, Mark> > > > >Mark & Christine Shulaw> Bluffton, Ohio> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com> Home >#419.358.5206> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL >mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_________________________________________________________________ >Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. >http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mob >ile_Zune_V3 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Jul 3 10:12:02 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:12:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New engines! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059077172C2@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20080524.231318.1904.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059071232BA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059077172C2@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, I believe Tom Alexander in Iowa Falls makes Gade mufflers, I was told he also has the Gade Registry . He does quite a lot of different muffler castings and is always set up at Coolsprings in June. His phone is 641 648 4117> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:21:36 -0500> From: George_Best at adp.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] New engines!> > Last Friday I went to the auction at Moses Lake Washington. I had> picked out a few engines that I wanted to try for prior to the auction> and was lucky enough to come home with two of them.> > The first engine I got was a unknown engine. Actually, it still is> unknown! It is a 2 cycle engine, but not the mixed fuel type. Guessing> it is a 3 or 4hp engine, but have no way of really knowing until it has> been identified. I posted several pictures of it on Smokstak, but> haven't had a single response. I'm pretty sure it would run if I had a> usable buzz coil and got the engine fueled, oiled, and secured.> > The second engine I got is a 3hp Gade. I had to pass on bidding on a> few other engines to save my money for a try at the Gade. One of the> bad things of limited resources and one of the engines you really want> being at the end of the auction.> > Other than the paint job currently on the Gade I'm quite happy with it> and had it running the day after the auction. Really didn't need> anything except some fresh gas and to clean out the fuel line. Oh....> it also needed much lighter governor springs as it ran way too fast the> first time I started it up. Also put a muffler on it from one of my> other engines. That ported exhaust was a bit loud!> > Does anyone know if someone sells reproduction or original mufflers for> Gade engine?> > George> > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Watch ?Cause Effect,? a show about real people making a real difference. Learn more. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 3 19:13:57 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:13:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] the fourth of July Message-ID: <002501c8dd7b$9e5d2700$9501a8c0@LapTop> Happy Birthday USA Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jul 3 13:49:49 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:49:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] email address needed Message-ID: <001c01c8dd4e$5624d0a0$6f186d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guys , Does anyone have an email address for Brady Baker from Pendleton In as the on his classified ad simply bounces straight back. Thanks, Craig From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jul 3 21:27:33 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:27:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy 4th of July! Message-ID: <20080704042721.HKL27270.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> A Happy 4th of July to all of my engine collecting mates over there in the USA! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Jul 4 05:45:19 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:45:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy 4th of July! References: <20080704042721.HKL27270.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000901c8ddd3$d10542c0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Many thanks Patrick!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:27 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy 4th of July! >A Happy 4th of July to all of my engine collecting mates over there in the > USA! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jul 4 12:43:58 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:43:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy 4th of July! In-Reply-To: <20080704042721.HKL27270.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Patrick: Thanks for the greeting! I got out the 1897 Jack of All Trades and ran it for the first time in three years plus I'm gonna have the mighty Hoyt Clagwell in a local subdivision parade later today. Yeeeeeee Hawwwwww!............ BLAM, Poppety-Pop, Kerpow, KABLOOIE! (or sounds to that effect) Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:28 PM > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary > Engine Mailing List > Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy 4th of July! > > > A Happy 4th of July to all of my engine > collecting mates over there in the > USA! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Frank at lbpinc.com Sat Jul 5 11:44:52 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:44:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What trailers do on the 4th of July! Message-ID: <20080705184516.0CFFA57D3C@gw1.nlenet.net> It can hall a few nice engines but not on this day. http://lbpinc.com/one.jpg http://lbpinc.com/show-time.jpg Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From tilinghast at yahoo.com Sat Jul 5 12:14:16 2008 From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] What trailers do on the 4th of July! In-Reply-To: <20080705184516.0CFFA57D3C@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <799204.98414.qm@web62408.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Great pictures Frank. ? Dave. --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Frank DeWitt wrote: From: Frank DeWitt Subject: [SEL] What trailers do on the 4th of July! To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 2:44 PM It can hall a few nice engines but not on this day. http://lbpinc.com/one.jpg http://lbpinc.com/show-time.jpg Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at btes.tv Sat Jul 5 13:17:00 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 16:17:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What trailers do on the 4th of July! In-Reply-To: <20080705184516.0CFFA57D3C@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080705184516.0CFFA57D3C@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <7d6821cec4906d0fbcff6a6a273310cc@btes.tv> Now that's good use of a trailer! John On Jul 5, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Frank DeWitt wrote: > It can hall a few nice engines but not on this day. > http://lbpinc.com/one.jpg > http://lbpinc.com/show-time.jpg John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From endacomm10 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 5 20:36:46 2008 From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] What trailers do on the 4th of July! In-Reply-To: <20080705184516.0CFFA57D3C@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <728074.7091.qm@web51409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kool !!? Looks like a good time a brewing ! ? ? By the way, Who's the Cutie in Blue and white between the 4 red shirts ?? ? (Second Picture in case you are lost) --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Frank DeWitt wrote: From: Frank DeWitt Subject: [SEL] What trailers do on the 4th of July! To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 2:44 PM It can hall a few nice engines but not on this day. http://lbpinc.com/one.jpg http://lbpinc.com/show-time.jpg Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jul 5 11:25:39 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:25:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000601c8decc$870733f0$3f4a8bd4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> test From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Jul 5 21:55:36 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:55:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: In a message dated 7/5/2008 11:55:10 PM Central Daylight Time, benzengines at tiscali.co.uk writes: test working **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sat Jul 5 22:00:39 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:00:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000601c8decc$870733f0$3f4a8bd4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <009c01c8df25$3d4bf030$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Came thru here Lew near Waco, TX USA -----Original Message----- test _______________________________________________ From normanarch at iprimus.com.au Sun Jul 6 00:44:55 2008 From: normanarch at iprimus.com.au (Norman Archibald) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:44:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Masport Shiremaster 720 slasher Message-ID: <000a01c8df3c$2f5b8d20$0301a8c0@homekap6fuqhl9> Would anyone on the list have a copy of the operators manual for a Masport Shiremaster 720 slasher or know where I can lay my hands on one please. NormanA. From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Jul 6 07:55:03 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:55:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <009c01c8df25$3d4bf030$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: What was that again? I didn't hear it. > -----Original Message----- > > test From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 6 09:00:12 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:00:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 52, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Thanks for the greeting! I got out the 1897 Jack of All Trades and ran it for the first time in three years plus I'm gonna have the mighty Hoyt Clagwell in a local subdivision parade later today. Yeeeeeee Hawwwwww!............ BLAM, Poppety-Pop, Kerpow, KABLOOIE! (or sounds to that effect)" Elden - tape at eleven? Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Jul 6 14:13:45 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:13:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 52, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bruce: Nawww! I was gonna tape the Edwards engine I restored last year and to my disgust the camcorder is totally wasted. AND I ain't a-gonna get another one either! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Bruce > Younger > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:00 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 52, Issue 5 > > > > "Thanks for the greeting! I got out the 1897 Jack > of All Trades and ran it for the first time in > three years plus I'm gonna have the mighty Hoyt > Clagwell in a local subdivision parade later > today. Yeeeeeee Hawwwwww!............ BLAM, > Poppety-Pop, Kerpow, KABLOOIE! (or sounds to that effect)" > > Elden - tape at eleven? Bruce Younger From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jul 6 18:14:29 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 21:14:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <20080706.211522.592.2.jlb94@juno.com> I can't hear you. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ Forget the political hype and controversy: Global Warming is happening. (_o_) It is not caused by man and there is nothing man can do about it. On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:25:39 +0100 "craig morrison" writes: > test > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ____________________________________________________________ Start your medical billing career! Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ol4JdVOBSaHuGUzD13JlKRu1HfdIgqGi7fu9aWUhKR2pfZT/ From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 7 23:09:27 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 01:09:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera Message-ID: "Nawww! I was gonna tape the Edwards engine I restored last year and to my disgust the camcorder is totally wasted. AND I ain't a-gonna get another one either! Take care - Elden" Yeah, I got mine out the other day, and it doesn't have a picture on the screen, nor will it record one, but it will play back the old tapes. I'm getting tired of buying these things, too, and on reflection - I don't use them much. This one I used on a trip to Hawaii and my daughter's med school graduation. Haven't looked at either tape since just after the events. Can't remember using it for much else; has very few hours on it. I have had four, and all have failed after what I consider too little use.Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ The i?m Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 23:43:10 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:43:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com> On 08/07/2008, Bruce Younger wrote: > > "Nawww! I was gonna tape the Edwards engine I restored last year and to my > disgust the camcorder is totally wasted. AND I ain't a-gonna get another one > either! Take care - Elden" > > Yeah, I got mine out the other day, and it doesn't have a picture on the > screen, nor will it record one, but it will play back the old tapes. I'm > getting tired of buying these things, too, and on reflection - I don't use > them much. This one I used on a trip to Hawaii and my daughter's med school > graduation. Haven't looked at either tape since just after the events. > Can't remember using it for much else; has very few hours on it. I have had > four, and all have failed after what I consider too little use. With most still cameras offering some kind of video facility, and even mobile (cell) phones getting in on the act, it is probably only worth having a video camera if you want to be able to use all the various features and functions. We got our Sony video camera last year and use it a lot at shows and things like that, but like most devices it needs regular 'walkies' to keep it fit for purpose. It takes mini-DVD discs. It takes stills as well, so we now have a still camera that does videos and a video camera that does stills! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 7 23:46:00 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:46:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera References: Message-ID: <00b301c8e0c6$4a090270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I have a Fuji F1 and an F3 cameras. the chips are interchangeable. They take great short clips of what I need to record. Cost? not a lot. I use them constantly in the workshop, etc. I paid 4 times the price when I got the Sony Mavica. The clips off these are 100 times better. They fit in my shirt pocket. I am happy with them. Now, I wonder how much further the camera scene will progress in the NEXT 10 years? (I used to take pics with disposable cameras 10 years back. Then take em to the shop to be developed) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera "Nawww! I was gonna tape the Edwards engine I restored last year and to my disgust the camcorder is totally wasted. AND I ain't a-gonna get another one either! Take care - Elden" Yeah, I got mine out the other day, and it doesn't have a picture on the screen, nor will it record one, but it will play back the old tapes. I'm getting tired of buying these things, too, and on reflection - I don't use them much. This one I used on a trip to Hawaii and my daughter's med school graduation. Haven't looked at either tape since just after the events. Can't remember using it for much else; has very few hours on it. I have had four, and all have failed after what I consider too little use.Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ The i?m Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 00:11:42 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:11:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera In-Reply-To: <00b301c8e0c6$4a090270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <00b301c8e0c6$4a090270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160807080011i7902a786t9a8f3a2d53f85e04@mail.gmail.com> On 08/07/2008, R & M Ingold wrote: > Now, I wonder how much further the camera scene will progress in the NEXT 10 > years? We will all be using what today would be considered "studio-quality" equipment. I am looking at another (!) Sony camera, DSC-F828, similar to the one I currently use but better features. In real terms it is cheap to buy compared with the Contax/Zeiss equipment I bought in the early 1980's. I was at No1 son' s place the other day, and one of his partner's daughters was playing with one of the little pocket games machines. You couldn't have got those features and speed out of a mainframe computer in the 1970's! The only new thing that hasn't taken off here is Digital radio and TV, and with a recession on, the sets are not selling at all. We've got a Freeview digital set-top box but still use the old analogue TV. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 8 04:55:54 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 04:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <164616.6617.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> During the next couple years I need to get a video camera that will take a nice ten minute or less video and upload it onto youtube. There is something very exciting in the works at The Buckley Old Engine Show. Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Listerdiesel wrote: From: Listerdiesel Subject: Re: [SEL] wasted video camera To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 2:43 AM On 08/07/2008, Bruce Younger wrote: > > "Nawww! I was gonna tape the Edwards engine I restored last year and to my > disgust the camcorder is totally wasted. AND I ain't a-gonna get another one > either! Take care - Elden" > > Yeah, I got mine out the other day, and it doesn't have a picture on the > screen, nor will it record one, but it will play back the old tapes. I'm > getting tired of buying these things, too, and on reflection - I don't use > them much. This one I used on a trip to Hawaii and my daughter's med school > graduation. Haven't looked at either tape since just after the events. > Can't remember using it for much else; has very few hours on it. I have had > four, and all have failed after what I consider too little use. With most still cameras offering some kind of video facility, and even mobile (cell) phones getting in on the act, it is probably only worth having a video camera if you want to be able to use all the various features and functions. We got our Sony video camera last year and use it a lot at shows and things like that, but like most devices it needs regular 'walkies' to keep it fit for purpose. It takes mini-DVD discs. It takes stills as well, so we now have a still camera that does videos and a video camera that does stills! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 8 11:02:29 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:02:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled round bale buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 and 1000 pounders ) ANybody doing it right now ? Chuck From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 11:38:45 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:38:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] wasted video camera In-Reply-To: <164616.6617.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com> <164616.6617.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807081138x63e5e6c6r97f2838bc2f93daf@mail.gmail.com> On 08/07/2008, Alan wrote: > During the next couple years I need to get a video camera that will take a > nice ten minute or less video and upload it onto youtube. > There is something very exciting in the works at The Buckley Old Engine > Show. > > Alan in Michigan We've had mixed results from Youtube, but folks say that they are better at hosting videos nowadays than they were. If you're going to buy one, make sure it isn't a tape machine, only get either one of the DVD models or the all 'solid-state memory' types. I've got an 8gb CF card on my desk, that's enough for a whole lot of stills or videos, and the 'new' camera has CF AND Memory Stick slots and will take a microdrive in the CF slot. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From oldironnut at alltel.net Tue Jul 8 11:44:04 2008 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:44:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords In-Reply-To: <010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com> <010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled > round bale > buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 > and 1000 > pounders ) > ANybody doing it right now ? Chuck, I grew up with one of those damned things around our little ranch. The place was pretty deep in sand so it was tougher to pull stuff when it was dry than when it was wet. You've hit upon one of the problems with those tractors (the other being it's a Ford) in that they are pretty light in the rear end. Yes, it will probably do a good job for pulling around rolls of hay but I would suggest filling the rear tires with water to help weight the rear end down for better pulling traction. They're a good size for doing light work, do a pretty good job working a small (as in 5') brush hog mower and they will do an OK job working a blade if you are working with dirt that isn't too compacted (the lack of weight in the rear end problem again). One of the really annoying things on these tractors is that in the original configuration the exhaust goes to the rear of the tractor so you're in jeopardy of choking on fumes when you're hooking up equipment (mom and dad were more in favor of killing a few of my brain cells rather than spending the money to port the exhaust up). See ya', Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at alltel.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Jul 8 13:15:49 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:15:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> Message-ID: Loading the rear tires does help. Up here in Northern New England the Tractor shops used a Sodium Chloride solution in the tires, it was heavier than just water and didn't freeze in the winter. I also remember see some of the old 8n and 9n's with a 55 gal barrel chained up on the three point with rocks in it. Jim Kangas ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Michael Tucker Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 2:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled > round bale > buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 > and 1000 > pounders ) > ANybody doing it right now ? Chuck, I grew up with one of those damned things around our little ranch. The place was pretty deep in sand so it was tougher to pull stuff when it was dry than when it was wet. You've hit upon one of the problems with those tractors (the other being it's a Ford) in that they are pretty light in the rear end. Yes, it will probably do a good job for pulling around rolls of hay but I would suggest filling the rear tires with water to help weight the rear end down for better pulling traction. They're a good size for doing light work, do a pretty good job working a small (as in 5') brush hog mower and they will do an OK job working a blade if you are working with dirt that isn't too compacted (the lack of weight in the rear end problem again). One of the really annoying things on these tractors is that in the original configuration the exhaust goes to the rear of the tractor so you're in jeopardy of choking on fumes when you're hooking up equipment (mom and dad were more in favor of killing a few of my brain cells rather than spending the money to port the exhaust up). See ya', Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at alltel.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Jul 8 13:39:10 2008 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:39:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com> <010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> Message-ID: <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> I haven't owned an 8n but I did have a Jubilee and it was worthless here in the Ozarks. It had nice small hydraulic loader on the front and would carry anything down hill that the brakes would stop, but I couldn't bring anything up hill. It would just set there and spin the rear wheels. Around here if you want to carry anything up hill in the front loader a 4 wd is required. I had the tires loaded with anti-freeze and carried a 50 gal drum filled with water on the 3 pt hitch carry all. It still wouldn't carry a bucket load of dirt up hill. For me it wasn't a question of getting stuck when it was wet, but getting stuck at the bottom of the hill when it was dry. Gary On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > Loading the rear tires does help. Up here in Northern New England the > Tractor shops used a Sodium Chloride solution in the tires, it was heavier > than just water and didn't freeze in the winter. I also remember see some of > the old 8n and 9n's with a 55 gal barrel chained up on the three point with > rocks in it. > > Jim Kangas > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Michael Tucker > Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 2:44 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords > > > > > On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > > Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled > > round bale > > buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 > > and 1000 > > pounders ) > > ANybody doing it right now ? > > Chuck, > > I grew up with one of those damned things around our little ranch. > The place was pretty deep in sand so it was tougher to pull stuff when > it was dry than when it was wet. You've hit upon one of the problems > with those tractors (the other being it's a Ford) in that they are > pretty light in the rear end. Yes, it will probably do a good job for > pulling around rolls of hay but I would suggest filling the rear tires > with water to help weight the rear end down for better pulling > traction. They're a good size for doing light work, do a pretty good > job working a small (as in 5') brush hog mower and they will do an OK > job working a blade if you are working with dirt that isn't too > compacted (the lack of weight in the rear end problem again). One of > the really annoying things on these tractors is that in the original > configuration the exhaust goes to the rear of the tractor so you're in > jeopardy of choking on fumes when you're hooking up equipment (mom and > dad were more in favor of killing a few of my brain cells rather than > spending the money to port the exhaust up). > > See ya', > Mike > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at alltel.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jul 8 14:14:02 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:14:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] lunkenhiemer/webster bracket Message-ID: <002501c8e13f$8c488010$1e996e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi, Does anyone know how to contact Brady Baker ( emails just bounce back telephone presently appears to be on answer phone) about new lunkenhiemers , or is there anyone else who stocks them that would be attending Portland as I need a 1" right hand one. To help me complete another project I need a Webster bracket number A303M56 to fit a 1 1/2 hp Termaat-Mona han / Wiscona Pep, does anyone have or know where I might be able to source one of these brackets. Cheers, Craig in Scotland From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Jul 8 17:16:45 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:16:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> I was going to stay out of this, for I am no expert. I owned a 1948 8N, front distributor. I had it for 16 years, and after original overhaul never did more to it. I lived in TN and had a good hill or two. In my part of TN, a lot of people backed up the hills when the had a load. Greatest little tractor I ever owned for bush hogging, plowing (2-14) mowing , raking and so on. My son just bought a jubilee, with a loader, so far so good. It moves 500 lb bales on rear with no problem. Now the beginning question, will it pull a 750-1000 lb load around?? ... Let's put it this way, would you put that kind of load behind a 20 hp lawn tractor?? If so go for it. Paul Waugh - IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords >I haven't owned an 8n but I did have a Jubilee and it was worthless here in > the Ozarks. It had nice small hydraulic loader on the front and would > carry > anything down hill that the brakes would stop, but I couldn't bring > anything > up hill. It would just set there and spin the rear wheels. Around here > if > you want to carry anything up hill in the front loader a 4 wd is required. > I had the tires loaded with anti-freeze and carried a 50 gal drum filled > with water on the 3 pt hitch carry all. It still wouldn't carry a bucket > load of dirt up hill. For me it wasn't a question of getting stuck when > it > was wet, but getting stuck at the bottom of the hill when it was dry. > > Gary > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Kangas, James G. > wrote: > >> Loading the rear tires does help. Up here in Northern New England the >> Tractor shops used a Sodium Chloride solution in the tires, it was >> heavier >> than just water and didn't freeze in the winter. I also remember see some >> of >> the old 8n and 9n's with a 55 gal barrel chained up on the three point >> with >> rocks in it. >> >> Jim Kangas >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Michael Tucker >> Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 2:44 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: >> > Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled >> > round bale >> > buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 >> > and 1000 >> > pounders ) >> > ANybody doing it right now ? >> >> Chuck, >> >> I grew up with one of those damned things around our little ranch. >> The place was pretty deep in sand so it was tougher to pull stuff when >> it was dry than when it was wet. You've hit upon one of the problems >> with those tractors (the other being it's a Ford) in that they are >> pretty light in the rear end. Yes, it will probably do a good job for >> pulling around rolls of hay but I would suggest filling the rear tires >> with water to help weight the rear end down for better pulling >> traction. They're a good size for doing light work, do a pretty good >> job working a small (as in 5') brush hog mower and they will do an OK >> job working a blade if you are working with dirt that isn't too >> compacted (the lack of weight in the rear end problem again). One of >> the really annoying things on these tractors is that in the original >> configuration the exhaust goes to the rear of the tractor so you're in >> jeopardy of choking on fumes when you're hooking up equipment (mom and >> dad were more in favor of killing a few of my brain cells rather than >> spending the money to port the exhaust up). >> >> See ya', >> Mike >> ______________________ >> Michael Tucker >> oldironnut at alltel.net >> Versailles, Kentucky, USA >> ______________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or >> entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please >> do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to >> others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, >> and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The >> Timken Corporation >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jul 8 19:27:08 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:27:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au> Message-ID: <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi All I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a few points. 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How many thou. do I allow.? 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing where the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the end, I guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would you try and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a spiral directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who cares it will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining also. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical R&V when I finally think of the format I want to use at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>Hi Peter > > Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most > suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. > Composition: > SN - Tin 88.20% > AG - Silver 0.10% > CD - Cadmium 1.00% > CU - Copper 3.05% > NI - Nickel 0 .15% > SB - Antimony 7.50% > > More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. > If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD, ID > & length finish machining. > Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. > > Regards > Ian Hill. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Jul 8 19:49:11 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turnere) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:49:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au> <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> Peter, I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS Jackson Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to you for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought about a ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the guy an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are very pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > Hi All > I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a few > points. > > 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The > crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How many > thou. do I allow.? > 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing > where > the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The > bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the end, > I > guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would you > try > and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a spiral > directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who cares > it > will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining > also. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm > There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical R&V > when I finally think of the format I want to use at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm > > > The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit > pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > >>>Hi Peter >> >> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most >> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >> Composition: >> SN - Tin 88.20% >> AG - Silver 0.10% >> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >> CU - Copper 3.05% >> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >> SB - Antimony 7.50% >> >> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD, ID >> & length finish machining. >> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >> >> Regards >> Ian Hill. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 > 7:50 PM > > > From jbcast at charter.net Tue Jul 8 20:21:10 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:21:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <20080708232110.3MZ09.52011.root@fepweb14> - > Peter, > I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS Jackson > Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to you > for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought about a > ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the guy > an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one > cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are very > pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY Tommy, If you could bring 9lbs to Portland I'd like to buy it. I have some I bought when Nadler Foundry went out of business, and odds and ends bars of which I don't know the composition. J.B. Castagnos From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Jul 8 21:00:53 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:00:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au> <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <487437F5.9070701@rustic-engines.com> Tommy, have I missed something. I notice you have placed an "e" at the end of Turner and "capitalized" the "l" in your address. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turnere wrote: > Peter, > I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS Jackson > Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to you > for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought about a > ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the guy > an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one > cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are very > pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jul 8 22:32:25 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:32:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au> <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <89CFB2A0-03B6-41FD-B68D-4F51ABDFE327@rustyiron.com> On Jul 8, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. > The crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. > How many thou. do I allow.? Hey bro, While I'm sure there are numbers that will directly answer your question, I would attack it from another angle. Using bluing and a scraper, keep taking off material until the shaft turns without appreciable drag. > 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the > bearing where the oil comes through and is there a need for one on > the bottom. Don't put the groove on the area that gets the most force on the power stroke. In your case, the groove should be at the top. In this situation, I've seen some that are X shaped, and some that are a straight line perpendicular to the rotation. Regardless, the groove should not go to the ends of the bearing. That would allow the oil to flow right out, rather than forming a cushion within the bearing. I wouldn't bother to direct the oil back into the middle, it will get oil drips no matter what you do. Use your judgement here and you'll be fine. > You might say, who cares it will not be run that often, but it is an > exercise for me in machining also. ???What??? You mean you're going to rebuild it with the intention of not running it??? The Brothers Koori can fix things that don't work afterwards. If we don't get to see a youtube of that engine running in the near future, we Americans are going to want our National Heritage returned to our shores. Adios! From endacomm10 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 9 01:15:53 2008 From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 01:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <400315.78095.qm@web51410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Shouldn't that be Calcuim Chloride ??? --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 4:15 PM Loading the rear tires does help. Up here in Northern New England the Tractor shops used a Sodium Chloride solution in the tires, it was heavier than just water and didn't freeze in the winter. I also remember see some of the old 8n and 9n's with a 55 gal barrel chained up on the three point with rocks in it. Jim Kangas ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Michael Tucker Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 2:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled > round bale > buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 > and 1000 > pounders ) > ANybody doing it right now ? Chuck, I grew up with one of those damned things around our little ranch. The place was pretty deep in sand so it was tougher to pull stuff when it was dry than when it was wet. You've hit upon one of the problems with those tractors (the other being it's a Ford) in that they are pretty light in the rear end. Yes, it will probably do a good job for pulling around rolls of hay but I would suggest filling the rear tires with water to help weight the rear end down for better pulling traction. They're a good size for doing light work, do a pretty good job working a small (as in 5') brush hog mower and they will do an OK job working a blade if you are working with dirt that isn't too compacted (the lack of weight in the rear end problem again). One of the really annoying things on these tractors is that in the original configuration the exhaust goes to the rear of the tractor so you're in jeopardy of choking on fumes when you're hooking up equipment (mom and dad were more in favor of killing a few of my brain cells rather than spending the money to port the exhaust up). See ya', Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at alltel.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation_______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jul 9 04:29:42 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:29:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <487437F5.9070701@rustic-engines.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au> <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> <487437F5.9070701@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <4874A126.9020702@scrtc.com> Al, I made a change in my email settings and one was an error. There shouldn't be an "e" at the end of my name. That was a slip of the key on the computer. The capital "L" I've done as a lot of people thing its a "one" and not an "L". My laptop crashed and I lost all my settings. As a result, I've had to re-enter a lot of info to get it going again. If my other computer is used it may still have the small "L" in the name. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Al Harris wrote: >Tommy, > >have I missed something. > >I notice you have placed an "e" at the end of Turner and "capitalized" >the "l" in your address. > >Cheers, > >Al Harris >Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > >al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > >Judge Tommy Turnere wrote: > > >>Peter, >> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS Jackson >>Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to you >>for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought about a >>ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the guy >>an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one >>cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are very >>pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >> >>http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 9 04:59:29 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 04:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I've got a project going that has bolts, nuts and washers that aren't "zinc" or "galvanized". They are black. Best I can tell is they are zinc phosphate (not phosphate and oil) They actually held up as well as if not better than the silver plated bolts and nuts in the same areas. I'd like to get the SAME look - the flat black of the zinc-phosphate and not use the silver/zinc plated bolts. Some are special - flange nuts, thick washers, etc. Is there a way I can do this at home? Please don't suggest paint - paint chips when you wrench and adjust things. I have a plating kit and the silver colored bolts and such that you can't get at a hardware store I use electrolysis, media blast, soak in Fast Etch (removes remaining rust and leaves a phosphate coating) then tin/zinc plate them. They turn out like new except for the roughness from rust pitting in areas. In short, looking for a good way to restore the flat black look of zinc phosphate bolt and nut and washer finishes. Bill (My next project - redo a maytag twin I have with black krinkle powdercoating!) From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 9 05:29:26 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:29:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net><375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com><004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <005001c8e1bf$6ddd4540$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> www.birchwoodcasey.com sells low temp black oxide kits. That should be what you are looking for. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes > I've got a project going that has bolts, nuts and washers that aren't > "zinc" or "galvanized". They are black. Best I can tell is they are zinc > phosphate (not phosphate and oil) > They actually held up as well as if not better than the silver plated > bolts and nuts in the same areas. > I'd like to get the SAME look - the flat black of the zinc-phosphate and > not use the silver/zinc plated bolts. > Some are special - flange nuts, thick washers, etc. > Is there a way I can do this at home? > Please don't suggest paint - paint chips when you wrench and adjust > things. > > I have a plating kit and the silver colored bolts and such that you can't > get at a hardware store I use electrolysis, media blast, soak in Fast Etch > (removes remaining rust and leaves a phosphate coating) then tin/zinc > plate them. They turn out like new except for the roughness from rust > pitting in areas. > > In short, looking for a good way to restore the flat black look of zinc > phosphate bolt and nut and washer finishes. > > Bill > > (My next project - redo a maytag twin I have with black krinkle > powdercoating!) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From martinstevens at telkomsa.net Wed Jul 9 05:32:51 2008 From: martinstevens at telkomsa.net (Martin Stevens) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:32:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <20080709123300.4C15830288A@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Speak to a galvanizing shop. The shop we have locally galvanize the spares as per usual, and then optionally dip it in one of two chemical solutions. The one being "black passivation" and the other "yellow passivation". (The yellow is the type you get typically on alternator fans and brackets inside your car engine compartment.) The black is...well.....black. The colour "stains" the galvanizing, so there is nothing to wear or chip. Great stuff! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: 09 July 2008 01:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes I've got a project going that has bolts, nuts and washers that aren't "zinc" or "galvanized". They are black. Best I can tell is they are zinc phosphate (not phosphate and oil) They actually held up as well as if not better than the silver plated bolts and nuts in the same areas. I'd like to get the SAME look - the flat black of the zinc-phosphate and not use the silver/zinc plated bolts. Some are special - flange nuts, thick washers, etc. Is there a way I can do this at home? Please don't suggest paint - paint chips when you wrench and adjust things. I have a plating kit and the silver colored bolts and such that you can't get at a hardware store I use electrolysis, media blast, soak in Fast Etch (removes remaining rust and leaves a phosphate coating) then tin/zinc plate them. They turn out like new except for the roughness from rust pitting in areas. In short, looking for a good way to restore the flat black look of zinc phosphate bolt and nut and washer finishes. Bill (My next project - redo a maytag twin I have with black krinkle powdercoating!) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Jul 9 11:49:30 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:49:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords References: <400315.78095.qm@web51410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes you're right.I was thinking back nearly 30 years and since I can't always remember what I had for breakfast I guess I should have thought about it alittle harder :) Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of S. Work Sent: Wed 7/9/2008 4:15 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords Shouldn't that be Calcuim Chloride ?? --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 4:15 PM Loading the rear tires does help. Up here in Northern New England the Tractor shops used a Sodium Chloride solution in the tires, it was heavier than just water and didn't freeze in the winter. I also remember see some of the old 8n and 9n's with a 55 gal barrel chained up on the three point with rocks in it. Jim Kangas ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Michael Tucker Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 2:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Do those things have enough tractive weight to pull a 2 wheeled > round bale > buggy around without getting stuck when it rains a little ? ( 750 > and 1000 > pounders ) > ANybody doing it right now ? Chuck, I grew up with one of those damned things around our little ranch. The place was pretty deep in sand so it was tougher to pull stuff when it was dry than when it was wet. You've hit upon one of the problems with those tractors (the other being it's a Ford) in that they are pretty light in the rear end. Yes, it will probably do a good job for pulling around rolls of hay but I would suggest filling the rear tires with water to help weight the rear end down for better pulling traction. They're a good size for doing light work, do a pretty good job working a small (as in 5') brush hog mower and they will do an OK job working a blade if you are working with dirt that isn't too compacted (the lack of weight in the rear end problem again). One of the really annoying things on these tractors is that in the original configuration the exhaust goes to the rear of the tractor so you're in jeopardy of choking on fumes when you're hooking up equipment (mom and dad were more in favor of killing a few of my brain cells rather than spending the money to port the exhaust up). See ya', Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at alltel.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation_______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at btes.tv Wed Jul 9 12:35:19 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:35:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <94516fe63acc988907cab64a9c0efe76@btes.tv> I quite accidentally found that if you dissolve steel wool in muriatic acid till it quits bubbling and leaves an excess of steel wool, making a pretty green solution of ferrous chloride, and touch this solution to bright zinc plated bolts, they will almost instantly turn a deep black. Rinse them quickly as the iron chloride is very corrosive if left. John On Jul 9, 2008, at 7:59 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I've got a project going that has bolts, nuts and washers that aren't > "zinc" or "galvanized". They are black. Best I can tell is they are > zinc > phosphate (not phosphate and oil) > They actually held up as well as if not better than the silver plated > bolts and nuts in the same areas. > I'd like to get the SAME look - the flat black of the zinc-phosphate > and > not use the silver/zinc plated bolts. > Some are special - flange nuts, thick washers, etc. > Is there a way I can do this at home? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 9 13:04:51 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <94516fe63acc988907cab64a9c0efe76@btes.tv> References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <94516fe63acc988907cab64a9c0efe76@btes.tv> Message-ID: <3113.165.206.180.192.1215633891.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Really??!!!? Wow. Now, could I replate my now black but rusty bolts with the tin/zinc plating from Eastwood www.eastwoodco.com) and then dip them into such a solution to turn them black? Bill > I quite accidentally found that if you dissolve steel wool in muriatic > acid till it quits bubbling and leaves an excess of steel wool, making > a pretty green solution of ferrous chloride, and touch this solution to > bright zinc plated bolts, they will almost instantly turn a deep black. > Rinse them quickly as the iron chloride is very corrosive if left. > > John > > On Jul 9, 2008, at 7:59 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >> I've got a project going that has bolts, nuts and washers that aren't >> "zinc" or "galvanized". They are black. Best I can tell is they are >> zinc >> phosphate (not phosphate and oil) >> They actually held up as well as if not better than the silver plated >> bolts and nuts in the same areas. >> I'd like to get the SAME look - the flat black of the zinc-phosphate >> and >> not use the silver/zinc plated bolts. >> Some are special - flange nuts, thick washers, etc. >> Is there a way I can do this at home? > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Jul 9 13:37:36 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:37:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <4874A126.9020702@scrtc.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au> <000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> <487437F5.9070701@rustic-engines.com> <4874A126.9020702@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <48752190.5030706@rustic-engines.com> Tommy, ain't computers fun? :-P If I may approach the bench ... I have Desktop and Notebook, and I have their settings arranged so that I can transfer their bookmarks, address book and email and news group data between them, which works well for backup. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Al, > I made a change in my email settings and one was an error. There > shouldn't be an "e" at the end of my name. That was a slip of the key > on the computer. The capital "L" I've done as a lot of people thing its > a "one" and not an "L". My laptop crashed and I lost all my settings. > As a result, I've had to re-enter a lot of info to get it going again. > If my other computer is used it may still have the small "L" in the name. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > Al Harris wrote: > > >> Tommy, >> >> have I missed something. >> >> I notice you have placed an "e" at the end of Turner and "capitalized" >> the "l" in your address. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Judge Tommy Turnere wrote: >> >> >> >>> Peter, >>> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS Jackson >>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to you >>> for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought about a >>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the guy >>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one >>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are very >>> pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >>> >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 9 14:08:51 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:08:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/2008 10:31:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, plowe at exemail.com.au writes: 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How many thou. do I allow.? Peter, I have always heard a good rule of thumb is .001/inch of diameter for mains and rod bearings on the old engines. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germaoamer at AOL.com **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From johnculp at btes.tv Wed Jul 9 15:36:03 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:36:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <3113.165.206.180.192.1215633891.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> <004b01c8e159$1d6e83a0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <1173.165.206.180.192.1215604769.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <94516fe63acc988907cab64a9c0efe76@btes.tv> <3113.165.206.180.192.1215633891.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Only way I know to find out is try it. The blackened bolts on my engine cart eventually rusted a nice red-brown. John On Jul 9, 2008, at 4:04 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Really??!!!? Wow. > Now, could I replate my now black but rusty bolts with the tin/zinc > plating from Eastwood www.eastwoodco.com) and then dip them into such a > solution to turn them black? > > Bill > >> I quite accidentally found that if you dissolve steel wool in muriatic >> acid till it quits bubbling and leaves an excess of steel wool, making >> a pretty green solution of ferrous chloride, and touch this solution >> to >> bright zinc plated bolts, they will almost instantly turn a deep >> black. >> Rinse them quickly as the iron chloride is very corrosive if left. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From obise at moscow.com Wed Jul 9 15:37:38 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:37:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <94516fe63acc988907cab64a9c0efe76@btes.tv> Message-ID: <200807092237.m69MbmYQ059372@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you for the tip. I've gotta try that one, right away. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 12:35 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes I quite accidentally found that if you dissolve steel wool in muriatic acid till it quits bubbling and leaves an excess of steel wool, making a pretty green solution of ferrous chloride, and touch this solution to bright zinc plated bolts, they will almost instantly turn a deep black. Rinse them quickly as the iron chloride is very corrosive if left. John On Jul 9, 2008, at 7:59 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I've got a project going that has bolts, nuts and washers that aren't > "zinc" or "galvanized". They are black. Best I can tell is they are > zinc > phosphate (not phosphate and oil) > They actually held up as well as if not better than the silver plated > bolts and nuts in the same areas. > I'd like to get the SAME look - the flat black of the zinc-phosphate > and > not use the silver/zinc plated bolts. > Some are special - flange nuts, thick washers, etc. > Is there a way I can do this at home? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at btes.tv Wed Jul 9 17:20:04 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:20:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bolt/fastener finishes In-Reply-To: <200807092237.m69MbmYQ059372@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200807092237.m69MbmYQ059372@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <187db4a85af95e54544d7006bfa08ece@btes.tv> One more thing: Some blackened bolts are that way because of heat treatment with quenching in oil or a mixture of water and soluble oil that left a coating of scorched oil. Hard to duplicate that without changing the heat treatment in the process. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jul 10 00:09:36 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:09:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Model A Ford Pics Message-ID: <20080710070928.TMYL2630.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Finally getting a new Web authoring setup going on the MacBook Pro rather than the old PC. My first attempt is at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/modela08/index.htm The pictures were taken at the Model A Ford National Rally held in Bathurst a few months ago. Let me know if there is anything really weird (apart from me) in the pages. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 10 05:39:25 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Model A Ford Pics In-Reply-To: <20080710070928.TMYL2630.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080710070928.TMYL2630.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <3804.165.206.180.192.1215693565.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> WOW, love it! Thanks! Bill > Finally getting a new Web authoring setup going on the MacBook Pro rather > than the old PC. > My first attempt is at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/modela08/index.htm > > The pictures were taken at the Model A Ford National Rally held in > Bathurst > a few months ago. Let me know if there is anything really weird (apart > from > me) in the pages. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Jul 10 05:56:48 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:56:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Model A Ford Pics Message-ID: <380-220087410125648312@coastalnet.com> Great pics, Patrick! Never saw so many right hand drive Fords in one place before. I especially like the last image :-) Thanks for sharing. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Patrick M Livingstone > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List ; Stationary Engine Mailing List > Date: 7/10/2008 3:09:30 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT: Model A Ford Pics > > Finally getting a new Web authoring setup going on the MacBook Pro rather > than the old PC. > My first attempt is at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/modela08/index.htm > > The pictures were taken at the Model A Ford National Rally held in Bathurst > a few months ago. Let me know if there is anything really weird (apart from > me) in the pages. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jul 10 06:21:35 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:21:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine help wanted please Message-ID: <004401c8e28f$ef4200a0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi All I have started in earnest in the restoration of my vertical 2hp R&V engine, yes yes yes I know it is about time. I finally pickup up the flywheels and crankshaft from my mates engineering shop last week, he has done a great job. I have a question to those who have verticals or those who have seen them. My head has a bolt and lock nut protruding from the head that goes into the ignitor chamber. I do not think it should be there, as far as I know this model does not have a primer cup like some other models have. Can anyone help or do I plug the hole.? Have a look here at my head: http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_head.htm Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 12:43:06 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:43:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Lawrence C Gallogly Collection Auction - Decatur IN 19th August Message-ID: <6f6025160807101243p48d4d004ma62a80e9b5c25c44@mail.gmail.com> Notice in this quarter's ACMOC club Magazine (Issue 80) for the estate sale of the late Lawrence C Gallogly collection, said to include some rare hit & miss engines, bulldozers, tractors scale model engines etc etc. Auctioneers: Dave Myers, http://www.adamscountyauctions.com 260 724 8899 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Jul 10 13:14:14 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:14:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine help wanted please In-Reply-To: <004401c8e28f$ef4200a0$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <004401c8e28f$ef4200a0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <48766D96.5020604@rustic-engines.com> Your head has been operated on mate. A bloody good job it was too. There is actually a bolt missing that would facilitate a big blue spark. HTH > http://bp3.blogger.com/_69km-8uSF40/RoJdSbySqjI/AAAAAAAAAIw/V6dcRJXRISs/s1600-h/bolt_head.png Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi All > > I have started in earnest in the restoration of my vertical 2hp R&V engine, > yes yes yes I know it is about time. > I finally pickup up the flywheels and crankshaft from my mates engineering > shop last week, he has done a great job. > I have a question to those who have verticals or those who have seen them. > My head has a bolt and lock nut protruding from the head that goes into the > ignitor chamber. I do not think it should be there, as far as I know this > model does not have a primer cup like some other models have. > Can anyone help or do I plug the hole.? > Have a look here at my head: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_head.htm > > > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jul 10 15:50:05 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:50:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine help wanted please In-Reply-To: <004401c8e28f$ef4200a0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: Peter: Could the bolt be plugging an added 10mm spark plug hole? Looks about the right size. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 08:22 AM > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] R&V engine help wanted please > > > Hi All > > I have started in earnest in the restoration of > my vertical 2hp R&V engine, > yes yes yes I know it is about time. > I finally pickup up the flywheels and crankshaft > from my mates engineering > shop last week, he has done a great job. > I have a question to those who have verticals or > those who have seen them. > My head has a bolt and lock nut protruding from > the head that goes into the > ignitor chamber. I do not think it should be > there, as far as I know this > model does not have a primer cup like some other > models have. > Can anyone help or do I plug the hole.? > Have a look here at my head: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/ my_head.htm Regards Peter Lowe http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jul 10 16:19:51 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:19:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine help wanted please References: Message-ID: <002101c8e2e3$747a3a00$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi Elden There was a spark plug plate made up instead of the ignitor that I took off, it could have been an earlier attempt at spark plug ignition. Not by R&V though, by our Argentinean friends. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Peter: > > Could the bolt be plugging an added 10mm spark plug hole? Looks about the > right size. > > Take care - Elden > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Peter Lowe >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 08:22 AM >> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org >> Subject: [SEL] R&V engine help wanted please >> >> >> Hi All >> >> I have started in earnest in the restoration of >> my vertical 2hp R&V engine, >> yes yes yes I know it is about time. >> I finally pickup up the flywheels and crankshaft >> from my mates engineering >> shop last week, he has done a great job. >> I have a question to those who have verticals or >> those who have seen them. >> My head has a bolt and lock nut protruding from >> the head that goes into the >> ignitor chamber. I do not think it should be >> there, as far as I know this >> model does not have a primer cup like some other >> models have. >> Can anyone help or do I plug the hole.? >> Have a look here at my head: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/ > my_head.htm > > > > Regards > Peter Lowe > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jul 10 18:00:24 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:00:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V primer cup Message-ID: <000701c8e2f1$cdc821e0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all Well, I should have tackled this tiny job before asking the opinion of both List members and R&V Register Members, but my question brought a lot to light, as it usually does. Looks like R&V verticals do have primer cups, not all but some models, as well as another strange anomaly that I will mention in due course. If you look at this link you can see what I have done. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_head.htm Who has the best range of primer cups to choose from? Thanks to those who replied, your a great bunch as usual. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 10 18:27:05 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:27:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT: Model A Ford Pics Message-ID: WOW! Great pics --and thanks! Stan Zettner (old engines) Pleasanton, Texas USA **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 10 18:44:52 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:44:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. delivered. I know I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've read says to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will need several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have remaining, but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house building up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( Maybe if you still have it next year... Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > Peter, > I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS Jackson > Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to > you > for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought about > a > ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the > guy > an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one > cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are > very > pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM > Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > >> Hi All >> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a few >> points. >> >> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The >> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How many >> thou. do I allow.? >> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing >> where >> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The >> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the end, >> I >> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would you >> try >> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a spiral >> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who cares >> it >> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining >> also. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical >> R&V >> when I finally think of the format I want to use at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >> >> >> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit >> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> Ph: 61-266453455 >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> >> >>>>Hi Peter >>> >>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most >>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >>> Composition: >>> SN - Tin 88.20% >>> AG - Silver 0.10% >>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >>> CU - Copper 3.05% >>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >>> >>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD, >>> ID >>> & length finish machining. >>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >>> >>> Regards >>> Ian Hill. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 >> 7:50 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 10 19:04:04 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:04:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> <026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: Rick, Will you be at Portland? I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod Project if so. You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod Foundation for it. Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can allow a "documented price" as the donation price to be used. So, since I'll be delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine Foundation" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. delivered. I know > I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods > someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've read > says > to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will need > several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. > > I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have > remaining, > but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house > building > up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( > > Maybe if you still have it next year... > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Foundation > "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-272-4089 > www.todengine.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > >> Peter, >> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS >> Jackson >> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to >> you >> for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought >> about >> a >> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the >> guy >> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one >> cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are >> very >> pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Lowe" >> To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM >> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >>> Hi All >>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a >>> few >>> points. >>> >>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The >>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How many >>> thou. do I allow.? >>> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing >>> where >>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The >>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the >>> end, >>> I >>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would you >>> try >>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a >>> spiral >>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who >>> cares >>> it >>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining >>> also. >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical >>> R&V >>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at: >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >>> >>> >>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit >>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >>> >>> Regards >>> Peter Lowe >>> R&V Engine Registrar >>> Australia >>> Ph: 61-266453455 >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>> >>> >>> >>>>>Hi Peter >>>> >>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most >>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >>>> Composition: >>>> SN - Tin 88.20% >>>> AG - Silver 0.10% >>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >>>> CU - Copper 3.05% >>>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >>>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >>>> >>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD, >>>> ID >>>> & length finish machining. >>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Ian Hill. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 >>> 7:50 PM >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: 7/10/2008 > 6:43 PM > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 10 19:50:16 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:50:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> <026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: Hi Tommy and Rick, If Rick will not be at Portland I can haul it back to PA with me. I'm 90 miles from Youngstown, so I'm sure we can figure out a way to get it there! Dave On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Rick, > Will you be at Portland? I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod > Project if so. You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod > Foundation > for it. Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can > allow a > "documented price" as the donation price to be used. So, since I'll > be > delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tod Engine Foundation" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > >> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. >> delivered. I know >> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods >> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've >> read >> says >> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will >> need >> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. >> >> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have >> remaining, >> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house >> building >> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( >> >> Maybe if you still have it next year... >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Executive Director >> Tod Engine Foundation >> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" >> 2261 Hubbard Road >> Youngstown, OH 44505 >> 330-272-4089 >> www.todengine.org >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >>> Peter, >>> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS >>> Jackson >>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell >>> it to >>> you >>> for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought >>> about >>> a >>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I >>> made the >>> guy >>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks >>> for one >>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used >>> it are >>> very >>> pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >>> >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peter Lowe" >>> To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >>> >>> >>>> Hi All >>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to >>>> clarify a >>>> few >>>> points. >>>> >>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing >>>> ID. The >>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. >>>> How many >>>> thou. do I allow.? >>>> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the >>>> bearing >>>> where >>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. >>>> The >>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around >>>> the >>>> end, >>>> I >>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. >>>> Would you >>>> try >>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a >>>> spiral >>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who >>>> cares >>>> it >>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in >>>> machining >>>> also. >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the >>>> vertical >>>> R&V >>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at: >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, >>>> I bit >>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Peter Lowe >>>> R&V Engine Registrar >>>> Australia >>>> Ph: 61-266453455 >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi Peter >>>>> >>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is >>>>> most >>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >>>>> Composition: >>>>> SN - Tin 88.20% >>>>> AG - Silver 0.10% >>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >>>>> CU - Copper 3.05% >>>>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >>>>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >>>>> >>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance >>>>> for OD, >>>>> ID >>>>> & length finish machining. >>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Ian Hill. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: >>>> 7/8/2008 >>>> 7:50 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: >> 7/10/2008 >> 6:43 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 10 19:57:47 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:57:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: Sounds good Dave. I'll load some up and bring with me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > Hi Tommy and Rick, If Rick will not be at Portland I can haul it back > to PA with me. I'm 90 miles from Youngstown, so I'm sure we can figure > out a way to get it there! > Dave > > On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Rick, >> Will you be at Portland? I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod >> Project if so. You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod >> Foundation >> for it. Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can >> allow a >> "documented price" as the donation price to be used. So, since I'll >> be >> delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. >>> delivered. I know >>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods >>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've >>> read >>> says >>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will >>> need >>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. >>> >>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have >>> remaining, >>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house >>> building >>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( >>> >>> Maybe if you still have it next year... >>> >>> Rick Rowlands >>> Executive Director >>> Tod Engine Foundation >>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" >>> 2261 Hubbard Road >>> Youngstown, OH 44505 >>> 330-272-4089 >>> www.todengine.org >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >>> >>> >>>> Peter, >>>> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS >>>> Jackson >>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell >>>> it to >>>> you >>>> for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought >>>> about >>>> a >>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I >>>> made the >>>> guy >>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks >>>> for one >>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used >>>> it are >>>> very >>>> pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >>>> >>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Peter Lowe" >>>> To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM >>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi All >>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to >>>>> clarify a >>>>> few >>>>> points. >>>>> >>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing >>>>> ID. The >>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. >>>>> How many >>>>> thou. do I allow.? >>>>> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the >>>>> bearing >>>>> where >>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. >>>>> The >>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around >>>>> the >>>>> end, >>>>> I >>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. >>>>> Would you >>>>> try >>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a >>>>> spiral >>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who >>>>> cares >>>>> it >>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in >>>>> machining >>>>> also. >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the >>>>> vertical >>>>> R&V >>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at: >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, >>>>> I bit >>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Peter Lowe >>>>> R&V Engine Registrar >>>>> Australia >>>>> Ph: 61-266453455 >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is >>>>>> most >>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >>>>>> Composition: >>>>>> SN - Tin 88.20% >>>>>> AG - Silver 0.10% >>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >>>>>> CU - Copper 3.05% >>>>>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >>>>>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >>>>>> >>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance >>>>>> for OD, >>>>>> ID >>>>>> & length finish machining. >>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Ian Hill. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: >>>>> 7/8/2008 >>>>> 7:50 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: >>> 7/10/2008 >>> 6:43 PM >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: 7/10/2008 > 6:43 PM > > > From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 10 20:13:56 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:13:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <028e01c8e304$27b53320$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> That would probably be best since I doubt I can get to Portland this year. I'm not doing anything this summer but constructing the building, and it will take all I have to get it done before the snow flies. BTW Dave, you and Arnie will love to see this picture. As of last Tuesday the Tod Engine is now fully reassembled! http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2453932820033749120KujuWd?vhost=good-times Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > Hi Tommy and Rick, If Rick will not be at Portland I can haul it back > to PA with me. I'm 90 miles from Youngstown, so I'm sure we can figure > out a way to get it there! > Dave > > On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Rick, >> Will you be at Portland? I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod >> Project if so. You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod >> Foundation >> for it. Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can >> allow a >> "documented price" as the donation price to be used. So, since I'll >> be >> delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. >>> delivered. I know >>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods >>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've >>> read >>> says >>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will >>> need >>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. >>> >>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have >>> remaining, >>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house >>> building >>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( >>> >>> Maybe if you still have it next year... >>> >>> Rick Rowlands >>> Executive Director >>> Tod Engine Foundation >>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" >>> 2261 Hubbard Road >>> Youngstown, OH 44505 >>> 330-272-4089 >>> www.todengine.org >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >>> >>> >>>> Peter, >>>> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS >>>> Jackson >>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell >>>> it to >>>> you >>>> for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought >>>> about >>>> a >>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I >>>> made the >>>> guy >>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks >>>> for one >>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used >>>> it are >>>> very >>>> pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >>>> >>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Peter Lowe" >>>> To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM >>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi All >>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to >>>>> clarify a >>>>> few >>>>> points. >>>>> >>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing >>>>> ID. The >>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. >>>>> How many >>>>> thou. do I allow.? >>>>> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the >>>>> bearing >>>>> where >>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. >>>>> The >>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around >>>>> the >>>>> end, >>>>> I >>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. >>>>> Would you >>>>> try >>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a >>>>> spiral >>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who >>>>> cares >>>>> it >>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in >>>>> machining >>>>> also. >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the >>>>> vertical >>>>> R&V >>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at: >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, >>>>> I bit >>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Peter Lowe >>>>> R&V Engine Registrar >>>>> Australia >>>>> Ph: 61-266453455 >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is >>>>>> most >>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >>>>>> Composition: >>>>>> SN - Tin 88.20% >>>>>> AG - Silver 0.10% >>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >>>>>> CU - Copper 3.05% >>>>>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >>>>>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >>>>>> >>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance >>>>>> for OD, >>>>>> ID >>>>>> & length finish machining. >>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Ian Hill. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: >>>>> 7/8/2008 >>>>> 7:50 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: >>> 7/10/2008 >>> 6:43 PM >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 10 20:15:08 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:15:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <029301c8e304$528ee550$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Tommy that is quite generous of you. Thanks so much!!! I will prepare a letter of donation and include with it the price quote. That should be good enough to prove value to the IRS. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > Rick, > Will you be at Portland? I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod > Project if so. You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod Foundation > for it. Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can allow a > "documented price" as the donation price to be used. So, since I'll be > delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tod Engine Foundation" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > >>I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. delivered. I >>know >> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods >> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've read >> says >> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will need >> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. >> >> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have >> remaining, >> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house >> building >> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( >> >> Maybe if you still have it next year... >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Executive Director >> Tod Engine Foundation >> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" >> 2261 Hubbard Road >> Youngstown, OH 44505 >> 330-272-4089 >> www.todengine.org >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >>> Peter, >>> I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I have some NOS >>> Jackson >>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots. I'd sell it to >>> you >>> for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for scrap. I bought >>> about >>> a >>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the >>> guy >>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for >>> one >>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All that have used it are >>> very >>> pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >>> >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peter Lowe" >>> To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >>> >>> >>>> Hi All >>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a >>>> few >>>> points. >>>> >>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The >>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How >>>> many >>>> thou. do I allow.? >>>> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing >>>> where >>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The >>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the >>>> end, >>>> I >>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would >>>> you >>>> try >>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a >>>> spiral >>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who >>>> cares >>>> it >>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining >>>> also. >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical >>>> R&V >>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at: >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit >>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Peter Lowe >>>> R&V Engine Registrar >>>> Australia >>>> Ph: 61-266453455 >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Hi Peter >>>>> >>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most >>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors. >>>>> Composition: >>>>> SN - Tin 88.20% >>>>> AG - Silver 0.10% >>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >>>>> CU - Copper 3.05% >>>>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >>>>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >>>>> >>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct. >>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD, >>>>> ID >>>>> & length finish machining. >>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Ian Hill. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: >>>> 7/8/2008 >>>> 7:50 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: 7/10/2008 >> 6:43 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at btes.tv Thu Jul 10 20:56:05 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:56:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE> <1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h> <026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <85cd08e4f9fbcf8cd999e808b09f0cb8@btes.tv> That recommendation was surely originated by metal dealers selling babbitt. There's nothing about the casting process that would ruin the babbitt in a recasting or two or three. And any contamination from oil, dirt and metal particles will float to the top to be skimmed off. Sure, type casters had to replenish the antimony and tin in linotype and other type metals, but that was after many months of keeping the stuff molten much of the time and oxidizing those metals out of the lead. I'd reuse what I had and use just enough new to make up for any lack. You won't gain anything by using new metal. Personally, I mostly see babbitt as a good source of tin for bullet casting alloys. If you do junk your old babbitt, I'll bet there are bullet casters nearby that'll take it off your hands. Black powder cartridge shooters prefer lead-tin alloys without much else in them. John On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Tod Engine Foundation wrote: > I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. delivered. I > know > I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods > someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've > read says > to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will need > several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 21:20:34 2008 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <944360.70883.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You might want to consider building up your bearings with additional babbit instead of repouring. WHen I was working on steam turbines at the papermill, we would keep a spare set of babbit bearings for each turbine in stock. The problem was that the bearings would not be needed unless one was found to be worn out at overhaul, or failed in service. By that time, the journal was worn and we would send the rotor to our machine shop to have a cleanup cut taken, giving us a spare bearing that was too big. So, we would take babbit and melt it and make long thin rods out of it, about 1/8" in diameter and then tig weld it to the existing bearing to build it up and then finish it to size in the vertical turret lathe. This was a method that we were taught by General Electric as a bonfide repair, and it took a fraction of the time and materials that would be required to repour the entire bearing. Most turbine parts for our 1920's and 30's machines had a 12 to 16 week lead time, so we were happy to have any parts, even if they needed rework to use them. I would imagine that our bearings were of comparable size to yours, and if you tried it and it didn't work out, you are not really out much. If you don't have a tig torch, there are a lot of really good tig welders out there, and most of them seem to get off on a challenge. I thought I read somewhere that your engine uses a Koerting valve. I have a tag off of a 12" Schutte-Koerting trip throttle valve from a mid 20's 7500 KW GE turbine. If it sounds like something that you can use, let me know. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "Never pass up a bathroom, never waste a hard-on and never trust a fart" Jack Nicholson, "The Bucket List" --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Tod Engine Foundation wrote: > From: Tod Engine Foundation > Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 8:44 PM > I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. > delivered. I know > I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod > Engine's connecting rods > someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. > Everything I've read says > to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning > I will need > several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. > > I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you > have remaining, > but every penny we have has to go into putting our new > engine house building > up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( > > Maybe if you still have it next year... > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Foundation > "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry > Heritage" > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-272-4089 > www.todengine.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > > > Peter, > > I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I > have some NOS Jackson > > Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb > ingots. I'd sell it to > > you > > for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for > scrap. I bought about > > a > > ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to > buy it but I made the > > guy > > an offer and he said "its yours".) I've > sold it to a lot of folks for one > > cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All > that have used it are > > very > > pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: > > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Lowe" > > > To: "Oldengine.org" > ; "ATIS" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM > > Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > > > > >> Hi All > >> I know we have been through this before, but I > just want to clarify a few > >> points. > >> > >> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft > and the bearing ID. The > >> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is > about 4 1/2" long. How many > >> thou. do I allow.? > >> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on > top of the bearing > >> where > >> the oil comes through and is there a need for one > on the bottom. The > >> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also > have a groove around the end, > >> I > >> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, > if it does. Would you > >> try > >> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into > the engine via a spiral > >> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. > You might say, who cares > >> it > >> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise > for me in machining > >> also. > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm > >> There will eventually be a complete restoration > guide for the vertical > >> R&V > >> when I finally think of the format I want to use > at: > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm > >> > >> > >> The email reply below was from a bearing company > in Victoria, Oz, I bit > >> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? > >> > >> Regards > >> Peter Lowe > >> R&V Engine Registrar > >> Australia > >> Ph: 61-266453455 > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > >> > >> > >> > >>>>Hi Peter > >>> > >>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line > called DSL, This is most > >>> suitable for high & low speed applications > & high load factors. > >>> Composition: > >>> SN - Tin 88.20% > >>> AG - Silver 0.10% > >>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% > >>> CU - Copper 3.05% > >>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% > >>> SB - Antimony 7.50% > >>> > >>> More important is that the oilways and > clearance are correct. > >>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest > you make allowance for OD, > >>> ID > >>> & length finish machining. > >>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Ian Hill. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - > Release Date: 7/8/2008 > >> 7:50 PM > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Fri Jul 11 03:34:32 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 6:34:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <944360.70883.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080711063432.Q4J42.143687.root@fepweb15> ---- Joe Prindle wrote: > You might want to consider building up your bearings with additional babbit instead of repouring. The sugar mill clsest to my shop is now closed, but I used to visit the machine shop while road testing cars. Always an interesting stop, innovative machinist and craftsmen that had to make things work. The mill rollers were on 18" shafts and babbit bearings. The welder would build them up with babbit in a wire form, he would lay it in as if he were brazing. The machinist would bore one half at a time in the Cincinatti mill. I realized that machine work was about setting up, using your imagination. The metal cutting was the easy part. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Fri Jul 11 05:07:43 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:07:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <944360.70883.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02ca01c8e34e$b9ab61b0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Joe, I have thought of that type of repair for the lower portions of the main bearings. They do look in fairly good shape but have quite a wavy surface that I am sure drastically reduces the contact area. It would probably take close to 100 lbs. of tig welded Babbitt just to build those areas up. The connecting rod bearings, however, have cracked quite extensively. I've pulled chunks of the Babbitt off of those, and I am afraid the only solution is to repour them. As much as I don't want to do that, its inevitable as once I put those rods back in nobody is ever going to pull them back out again, and this engine is going to run. About the S&K stop valve. I have a set of brass hang tags that came from our engine's stop valve. They were not on the engine when we got it, but one day while dismantling it in the steel mill, an older man drove up and handed them to me. He had worked at that plant and when it shut down he took the tags as a souvenir. When he saw an article in the paper about our efforts he decided to give the tags back to the engine. Just last month I acquired most of the parts to another S&K stop valve from a big blooming mill engine that is being scrapped. Two flyball governors, a 28" dia. pulley that clamped to the end of the crankshaft (yep it had a 28" crankshaft), associated brackets and the trip mechanism off of the main steam valve. I couldn't get the valve, its bigger than I am. I plan to set this up at the museum as a working display. I'll drive the setup with a DC motor so I can vary the speed. Visitors will see the flyballs pull out until the overspeed trips a contact and then watch as the coil deenergizes and a weight trips the stop valve. Come to think of it that might make a neat display to bring to Coolspring some year! That along with some 66" dia. piston rings ought to attract some attention! Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > You might want to consider building up your bearings with additional > babbit instead of repouring. > WHen I was working on steam turbines at the papermill, we would keep a > spare set of babbit bearings for each turbine in stock. The problem was > that the bearings would not be needed unless one was found to be worn out > at overhaul, or failed in service. By that time, the journal was worn and > we would send the rotor to our machine shop to have a cleanup cut taken, > giving us a spare bearing that was too big. So, we would take babbit and > melt it and make long thin rods out of it, about 1/8" in diameter and then > tig weld it to the existing bearing to build it up and then finish it to > size in the vertical turret lathe. This was a method that we were taught > by General Electric as a bonfide repair, and it took a fraction of the > time and materials that would be required to repour the entire bearing. > Most turbine parts for our 1920's and 30's machines had a 12 to 16 week > lead time, so we were happy to have any parts, even if they needed rework > to use them. I would > imagine that our bearings were of comparable size to yours, and if you > tried it and it didn't work out, you are not really out much. > If you don't have a tig torch, there are a lot of really good tig welders > out there, and most of them seem to get off on a challenge. > I thought I read somewhere that your engine uses a Koerting valve. I have > a tag off of a 12" Schutte-Koerting trip throttle valve from a mid 20's > 7500 KW GE turbine. If it sounds like something that you can use, let me > know. > Joe > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "Never pass up a bathroom, never waste a hard-on and never trust a fart" > Jack Nicholson, "The Bucket List" > > > > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Tod Engine Foundation > wrote: > >> From: Tod Engine Foundation >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 8:44 PM >> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. >> delivered. I know >> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod >> Engine's connecting rods >> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. >> Everything I've read says >> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning >> I will need >> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt. >> >> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you >> have remaining, >> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new >> engine house building >> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-( >> >> Maybe if you still have it next year... >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Executive Director >> Tod Engine Foundation >> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry >> Heritage" >> 2261 Hubbard Road >> Youngstown, OH 44505 >> 330-272-4089 >> www.todengine.org >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >> > Peter, >> > I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you. I >> have some NOS Jackson >> > Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb >> ingots. I'd sell it to >> > you >> > for $5 / lb. Its probably worth more than that for >> scrap. I bought about >> > a >> > ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to >> buy it but I made the >> > guy >> > an offer and he said "its yours".) I've >> sold it to a lot of folks for one >> > cylinders, Model T's and other applications. All >> that have used it are >> > very >> > pleased with it. Here's what it looks like: >> > >> > >> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074 >> > >> > Tommy Turner >> > Magnolia, KY >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Peter Lowe" >> >> > To: "Oldengine.org" >> ; "ATIS" >> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM >> > Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> > >> > >> >> Hi All >> >> I know we have been through this before, but I >> just want to clarify a few >> >> points. >> >> >> >> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft >> and the bearing ID. The >> >> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is >> about 4 1/2" long. How many >> >> thou. do I allow.? >> >> 2. The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on >> top of the bearing >> >> where >> >> the oil comes through and is there a need for one >> on the bottom. The >> >> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also >> have a groove around the end, >> >> I >> >> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, >> if it does. Would you >> >> try >> >> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into >> the engine via a spiral >> >> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. >> You might say, who cares >> >> it >> >> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise >> for me in machining >> >> also. >> >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm >> >> There will eventually be a complete restoration >> guide for the vertical >> >> R&V >> >> when I finally think of the format I want to use >> at: >> >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> The email reply below was from a bearing company >> in Victoria, Oz, I bit >> >> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Peter Lowe >> >> R&V Engine Registrar >> >> Australia >> >> Ph: 61-266453455 >> >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>Hi Peter >> >>> >> >>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line >> called DSL, This is most >> >>> suitable for high & low speed applications >> & high load factors. >> >>> Composition: >> >>> SN - Tin 88.20% >> >>> AG - Silver 0.10% >> >>> CD - Cadmium 1.00% >> >>> CU - Copper 3.05% >> >>> NI - Nickel 0 .15% >> >>> SB - Antimony 7.50% >> >>> >> >>> More important is that the oilways and >> clearance are correct. >> >>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest >> you make allowance for OD, >> >>> ID >> >>> & length finish machining. >> >>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage. >> >>> >> >>> Regards >> >>> Ian Hill. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - >> Release Date: 7/8/2008 >> >> 7:50 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gastzt at aol.com Fri Jul 11 06:22:56 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:22:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) Message-ID: WOW! Great pics-- I want to build one in my back yard! Then I would HAVE to stay--no more moving--ha! Stan Zettner, Pleasanton, Tex USA old stover nut **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jul 11 09:33:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:33:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <028e01c8e304$27b53320$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: Rick: I hope you were careful. With THAT engine, if you drop the smallest part on your foot.........bye, bye foot! Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Tod Engine > Foundation > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:14 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > > > That would probably be best since I doubt I can > get to Portland this year. > I'm not doing anything this summer but > constructing the building, and it > will take all I have to get it done before the snow flies. > > BTW Dave, you and Arnie will love to see this > picture. As of last Tuesday > the Tod Engine is now fully reassembled! > http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2453932820033 > 749120KujuWd?vhost=good-times > > Thanks > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Foundation > "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-272-4089 > www.todengine.org From gastzt at aol.com Fri Jul 11 10:44:37 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:44:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) Message-ID: can you imagine that engine with a ROPE STARTER! ha Stan Pleasanton, Texas or maybe a kick-starter????? **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Fri Jul 11 12:18:59 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:18:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: Message-ID: <02fb01c8e38a$f89a8f90$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> All I got from this project was a bad knee. I also wear steel toe shoes everywhere. Even the tennis shoes are steel toe. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) > Rick: > > I hope you were careful. With THAT engine, if you drop the smallest part > on your foot.........bye, bye foot! > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Tod Engine >> Foundation >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:14 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) >> >> >> That would probably be best since I doubt I can >> get to Portland this year. >> I'm not doing anything this summer but >> constructing the building, and it >> will take all I have to get it done before the snow flies. >> >> BTW Dave, you and Arnie will love to see this >> picture. As of last Tuesday >> the Tod Engine is now fully reassembled! >> http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2453932820033 >> 749120KujuWd?vhost=good-times >> >> Thanks >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Executive Director >> Tod Engine Foundation >> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" >> 2261 Hubbard Road >> Youngstown, OH 44505 >> 330-272-4089 >> www.todengine.org > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 11 12:48:55 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:48:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <02fb01c8e38a$f89a8f90$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> References: <02fb01c8e38a$f89a8f90$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <1215805735.4877b9270011c@webmail.city-net.com> And believe me, when one of those 750-lb dogbones drops onto your foot, you'll be happy that you're wearing those steel toe shoes. 8-)))))) Quoting Tod Engine Foundation : > All I got from this project was a bad knee. I also wear steel toe shoes > everywhere. Even the tennis shoes are steel toe. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 11 13:54:25 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:54:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) References: <02fb01c8e38a$f89a8f90$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <1215805735.4877b9270011c@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <005101c8e398$4e274630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I saw that and was gonna ask if it was harder putting them back in or taking them out > And believe me, when one of those 750-lb dogbones drops onto your foot, > you'll > be happy that you're wearing those steel toe shoes. 8-)))))) From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 17:09:00 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:09:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing Message-ID: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi everybody ,I?m going to re plumb an old engine in the future that deserves original type plumbing fittings. They range from ?? to ?? ?hub less type fittings. Des a source exist for these old style pieces? I can salvage some but not all of the originals. Thanks for any help .Even raw castings would be a start. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O?Hagan 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jul 11 17:30:35 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:30:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <31506227-C09A-485A-B09D-D7B85799DD01@rustyiron.com> On Jul 11, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi everybody ,I?m going to re plumb an old engine in the future that > deserves original type plumbing fittings. They range from ?? to ?? > ?hub less > type fittings. Des a source exist for these old style pieces? I can > salvage > some but not all of the originals. Thanks for any help .Even raw > castings > would be a start. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O?Hagan 415 892 0236 Hi Jimmy, If you can't find enough originals, you can make pretty good reproductions. Chuck up a short nipple in the lathe, screw on your fitting, and turn down the "lip" until it is straight. You can also use a radius tool to make a more rounded radius on the lip, if that's the look you're shooting for. A grindstone in a Dremel tool is good for finishing up those areas of the pipe fitting that you can't reach on the lathe. Birchwood Casey Plum Brown solution gives a nice brown patina. I also like to use electrolysis to MAKE rust, as opposed to the more common technique of using electrolysis to eliminate rust. Check this: http://engines.rustyiron.com/electrolysis A hint: Start with American made pipe fittings. Most that you find at Home Despot and Ace are made in China. It machines very badly. In electrolysis, it doesn't so much rust as it pits. From bboyce at swat.coop Fri Jul 11 18:31:45 2008 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:31:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <31506227-C09A-485A-B09D-D7B85799DD01@rustyiron.com> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <31506227-C09A-485A-B09D-D7B85799DD01@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <7FF565246B844D8EB378B0D3F3700DA6@billPC> A hint: Start with American made pipe fittings. Most that you find at Home Despot and Ace are made in China. It machines very badly. In electrolysis, it doesn't so much rust as it pits. speaking of Home Depot, i just happened to see a selection of brass pipe fittings there the other day,, i think they went up to 3/4 inch,, tees, nipples, couplings, etc,,,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jul 11 18:59:34 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:59:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: Jimmy, The standard for American fittings calls for them to have a "band" (flat, sharp edges, etc). The old time fittings were either rounded edge (beaded) or had nothing at all (called plain). Many of the British Standard Pipe fittings (which are metric) have the band and some of the fittings made in China and India are plain with no hub or band. You can use BSP fittings but you have to run a NPT tap in them. They correspond real well up to 1 1/2 inch pipe. I've used many of the BSP banded fittings and have never had a problem with them after I run a tap in. You can find the banded fittings in England and Australia. Tommy Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing > Hi everybody ,I'm going to re plumb an old engine in the future that > deserves original type plumbing fittings. They range from ?" to ?" "hub > less > type fittings. Des a source exist for these old style pieces? I can > salvage > some but not all of the originals. Thanks for any help .Even raw castings > would be a start. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.8/1547 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 > 6:05 PM > > > From jbcast at charter.net Fri Jul 11 19:10:29 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:10:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <7FF565246B844D8EB378B0D3F3700DA6@billPC> Message-ID: <20080711221029.31KRB.372397.root@fepweb09> ---- bill boyce wrote: > > A hint: Start with American made pipe fittings. Most that you find > at Home Despot and Ace are made in China. It machines very badly. In > electrolysis, it doesn't so much rust as it pits. > In November I came home to find water in my yard, the nipple between the meter and the shutoff valve was leaking. The local hardware store opened and I got the supplies I needed, although I waas disappointed that he didn't have a !" brass nipple. I told a friend that if it lasted 30 years like the other one I'd be satisfied. He said it was probably a chinese nipple and not to expect much. It didn't last 6 mmonths , corroded through in the threads. I replaced it and the valve with pvc, a foot away it joined thje pvc to the house. J.B. Castagnos From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 23:26:03 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:26:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> On 12/07/2008, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Jimmy, > The standard for American fittings calls for them to have a "band" > (flat, sharp edges, etc). The old time fittings were either rounded edge > (beaded) or had nothing at all (called plain). Many of the British Standard > Pipe fittings (which are metric) have the band and some of the fittings made > in China and India are plain with no hub or band. You can use BSP fittings > but you have to run a NPT tap in them. They correspond real well up to 1 > 1/2 inch pipe. I've used many of the BSP banded fittings and have never had > a problem with them after I run a tap in. You can find the banded fittings > in England and Australia. > > Tommy Turner Tommy: Where did you get the notion that BSP threads were metric?? They were always Imperial sizes, see the tables for 'most' older UK threads at: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Tables/Mech1.htm The ones that are loosely based on Metric are British Association (BA) threads, perhaps you were confusing that with BSP? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Jul 11 23:38:22 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:38:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <002901c8e3e9$e1e0f280$68c6eddc@Edd> Hi Tommy.British standard pipe BSP is imperial not metric.In most sizes there is half a thread per inch different to NPT and the thread angle is 55 degrees not 60 as in NPT.It is measured nominal pipe size same as NPT. Here in OZ we still use BSP .And it is still in inches but shops now give a metric equivalent just to confuse the matter even more. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old plumbing > Jimmy, > The standard for American fittings calls for them to have a "band" > (flat, sharp edges, etc). The old time fittings were either rounded edge > (beaded) or had nothing at all (called plain). Many of the British > Standard > Pipe fittings (which are metric) have the band and some of the fittings > made > in China and India are plain with no hub or band. You can use BSP > fittings > but you have to run a NPT tap in them. They correspond real well up to 1 > 1/2 inch pipe. I've used many of the BSP banded fittings and have never > had > a problem with them after I run a tap in. You can find the banded > fittings > in England and Australia. > > Tommy Turner > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim O'Hagan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:09 PM > Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing > > >> Hi everybody ,I'm going to re plumb an old engine in the future that >> deserves original type plumbing fittings. They range from ?" to ?" "hub >> less >> type fittings. Des a source exist for these old style pieces? I can >> salvage >> some but not all of the originals. Thanks for any help .Even raw castings >> would be a start. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 >> >> >> >> Jim O'Hagan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.8/1547 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 >> 6:05 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Jul 11 23:39:22 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:39:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01c8e3ea$05d64500$68c6eddc@Edd> Hi Peter you were doing your reply same time as me.You just beet me. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old plumbing > On 12/07/2008, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Jimmy, >> The standard for American fittings calls for them to have a "band" >> (flat, sharp edges, etc). The old time fittings were either rounded edge >> (beaded) or had nothing at all (called plain). Many of the British >> Standard >> Pipe fittings (which are metric) have the band and some of the fittings >> made >> in China and India are plain with no hub or band. You can use BSP >> fittings >> but you have to run a NPT tap in them. They correspond real well up to 1 >> 1/2 inch pipe. I've used many of the BSP banded fittings and have never >> had >> a problem with them after I run a tap in. You can find the banded >> fittings >> in England and Australia. >> >> Tommy Turner > > Tommy: > > Where did you get the notion that BSP threads were metric?? > > They were always Imperial sizes, see the tables for 'most' older UK > threads at: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Tables/Mech1.htm > > The ones that are loosely based on Metric are British Association (BA) > threads, perhaps you were confusing that with BSP? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jul 12 05:13:37 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:13:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> Peter, I've ordered fittings here in the US from "Maryland Metics" that handles foreign fittings and probably transposed the terminology. In any event, the BSP threads and the NPT are different. They are very close, but not the same. You can easily run a NPT tap in them though and it will cut the out to allow them for use in NPT applications. Tommy Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old plumbing > On 12/07/2008, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Jimmy, >> The standard for American fittings calls for them to have a "band" >> (flat, sharp edges, etc). The old time fittings were either rounded edge >> (beaded) or had nothing at all (called plain). Many of the British >> Standard >> Pipe fittings (which are metric) have the band and some of the fittings >> made >> in China and India are plain with no hub or band. You can use BSP >> fittings >> but you have to run a NPT tap in them. They correspond real well up to 1 >> 1/2 inch pipe. I've used many of the BSP banded fittings and have never >> had >> a problem with them after I run a tap in. You can find the banded >> fittings >> in England and Australia. >> >> Tommy Turner > > Tommy: > > Where did you get the notion that BSP threads were metric?? > > They were always Imperial sizes, see the tables for 'most' older UK > threads at: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Tables/Mech1.htm > > The ones that are loosely based on Metric are British Association (BA) > threads, perhaps you were confusing that with BSP? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.8/1547 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 > 6:05 PM > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 09:10:32 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:10:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> On 12/07/2008, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Peter, > I've ordered fittings here in the US from "Maryland Metics" that handles > foreign fittings and probably transposed the terminology. In any event, the > BSP threads and the NPT are different. They are very close, but not the > same. You can easily run a NPT tap in them though and it will cut the out > to allow them for use in NPT applications. > > Tommy Turner Not a problem from this end, Tommy, I was just trying to make sure that it didn't get accepted as gospel by anyone else picking up the thread. Most of the Lister and Petter engines, and others, use BSP, up to 2-1/2" on the JP engines, 2" on the CS diesels and 1" on the AV series diesel engines. We have taps and dies for the BSP stuff up to 2", but I'd hate to have to try and tap a 2" hole! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sat Jul 12 13:24:26 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:24:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> You'd hate to have to *tap* a 2" thread in Peter. I cut a 2" thread *on* a pipe just last week with my Bulldog 3 1/2 and I can tell you, my rotator cuffs and my pipe vise and bench, knew they had tough competition (and I was using cutting fluid). I think I'll use reducers and stick to 1 1/4" down from now on. BTW my Oz and Pommie engines all appear to use BSPT plumbing. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > Not a problem from this end, Tommy, I was just trying to make sure > that it didn't get accepted as gospel by anyone else picking up the > thread. > > Most of the Lister and Petter engines, and others, use BSP, up to > 2-1/2" on the JP engines, 2" on the CS diesels and 1" on the AV series > diesel engines. > > We have taps and dies for the BSP stuff up to 2", but I'd hate to have > to try and tap a 2" hole! > > Peter > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 22:26:28 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:26:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807122226l795f54fdib69560f2e7eee597@mail.gmail.com> On 12/07/2008, Al Harris wrote: > You'd hate to have to *tap* a 2" thread in Peter. I cut a 2" thread > *on* a pipe just last week with my Bulldog 3 1/2 and I can tell you, my > rotator cuffs and my pipe vise and bench, knew they had tough > competition (and I was using cutting fluid). > > I think I'll use reducers and stick to 1 1/4" down from now on. > > BTW my Oz and Pommie engines all appear to use BSPT plumbing. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris The problem is that they have very little lead-in, and are very short in respect of the diameter, so keeping them straight would be a bit of a nightmare, unless you could get it into a big drill to keep the thing aligned. Useful for cleaning up manifold threads though, which is the main reason we have them. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jul 13 02:57:20 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:57:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807122226l795f54fdib69560f2e7eee597@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> <6f6025160807122226l795f54fdib69560f2e7eee597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > The problem is that they have very little lead-in, and are very short > in respect of the diameter, so keeping them straight would be a bit of > a nightmare > > Peter Hi Peter, Sounds a bit like what Rita told me about you, at Portland last year! Dave From johnculp at btes.tv Sun Jul 13 05:06:59 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:06:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> <6f6025160807122226l795f54fdib69560f2e7eee597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dave is an acknowledged expert on old plumbing. John On Jul 13, 2008, at 5:57 AM, David Rotigel wrote: >> The problem is that they have very little lead-in, and are very short >> in respect of the diameter, so keeping them straight would be a bit of >> a nightmare >> >> Peter > > Hi Peter, Sounds a bit like what Rita told me about you, at Portland > last year! > Dave John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jul 13 05:39:44 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:39:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Model A Ford Pics In-Reply-To: <380-220087410125648312@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <20080713123944.FBZF2630.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> We had a great time & it was great to have all the family Model As out at a rally for the first time since my Father's passing. This would be one of the very rare occasions that my Tudor did not travel to a rally under its own power but given time restrictions due to work, the fact that the car had not been driven anywhere for over two years & the fact that the engine in it was last rebuilt 30 years ago; we decided it was safer to trailer the old girl. Saying that it started first hit every time and ran like a clock all weekend! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Great pics, Patrick! Never saw so many right hand drive Fords in one place before. I especially like the last image :-) Thanks for sharing. Ken From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 07:21:47 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:21:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> <6f6025160807122226l795f54fdib69560f2e7eee597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807130721i13791c25o20f525d3f0099288@mail.gmail.com> On 13/07/2008, David Rotigel wrote: >> The problem is that they have very little lead-in, and are very short >> in respect of the diameter, so keeping them straight would be a bit of >> a nightmare >> >> Peter > > Hi Peter, Sounds a bit like what Rita told me about you, at Portland > last year! > Dave As this a family List, I'll decline to comment on that!! :-)) Looking forward to Portland, hope we keep our record intact of NO RAIN.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jul 13 13:49:48 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:49:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt) In-Reply-To: <005101c8e398$4e274630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <02fb01c8e38a$f89a8f90$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <1215805735.4877b9270011c@webmail.city-net.com> <005101c8e398$4e274630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <1215982188.487a6a6ccacf0@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Chuck, I'd guess that they would go in easier than they came out. Coming out we had five guys with rosebud torches applying heat for 20-30 minutes. Then Rick cranked on a "pulling fixture" and out they came. See ya, Arnie Quoting Chuck Balyeat : > I saw that and was gonna ask if it was harder putting them back in or > taking them out > > > And believe me, when one of those 750-lb dogbones drops onto your foot, > > you'll be happy that you're wearing those steel toe shoes. 8-)))))) From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sun Jul 13 13:51:59 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:51:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old plumbing In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807130721i13791c25o20f525d3f0099288@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080712000900.F0EF84054A3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6f6025160807112326j3be73c41sc93de9ed79137525@mail.gmail.com> <6198EE7776414845B250FEBE62A6D69B@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160807120910g3ca4f13dlf50d0e49247aa228@mail.gmail.com> <487912FA.9020302@rustic-engines.com> <6f6025160807122226l795f54fdib69560f2e7eee597@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160807130721i13791c25o20f525d3f0099288@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487A6AEF.5020300@rustic-engines.com> I agree totally Peter. The only mention of gal in this thread should concern the one that's on the pipe. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > As this a family List, I'll decline to comment on that!! :-)) > > Peter > From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Jul 13 15:52:59 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:52:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby for sale Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080714084927.0208cc90@ncable.com.au> G'day all, I have an un-restored 6hp petrol hornsby for sale; $5000. Have to move it on to help fund a new acquisition. It's pretty much complete, no oilers or badges. If anyone is interested for more info contact me off list. regards Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Sun Jul 13 21:40:59 2008 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:40:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] twb mc donald tractor Message-ID: <006501c8e56b$d062dae0$f301a8c0@armstrong> i have been progressing on the TWB Mc Donald tractor restoration, now part panted and radiator done, have look at http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/MCDONALD%20TRACTOR.htm Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jul 14 08:02:45 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:02:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] twb mc donald tractor In-Reply-To: <006501c8e56b$d062dae0$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: Kevin: Is that a big one-lung two-cycle engine in the tractor? Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of kevin > armstrong > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] twb mc donald tractor > > > i have been progressing on the TWB Mc Donald > tractor restoration, now part panted and radiator > done, have look at > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/MCDONAL D%20TRACTOR.htm Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jul 14 19:32:28 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:32:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check out WMSTR - Rollag Message-ID: <001a01c8e623$076bfaa0$0301a8c0@workshop> Hi All Does anyone know about this, are Rollag featuring R&V engines this year, who can I talk to about this please The web site needs to be updated if the above is true I was sent this email below from a guy in California. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Register http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm Hi Peter, We get a magazine called Green Magazine that is for John Deere enthusiasts and we saw an add in it for the Western Minnesota Steam Threshers Reunion...The add stated that they will be featuring R&V hit and miss engines. Just thought you would like to know. Click on link below for more info. Click here: WMSTR From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jul 15 05:15:40 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:15:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL Message-ID: The price of SCRAP metal (like that of oil) must be at an all time high! Dave From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Tue Jul 15 05:29:53 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:29:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003701c8e676$7d2475d0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> If you have any to sell tho now is the time it seems; scrap tin a coupla weeks ago was 11 bux a hundred; last week it was down to 9 bux here. Haven't checked aluminum or copper lately but know it's been high. Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- The price of SCRAP metal (like that of oil) must be at an all time high! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jul 15 05:37:24 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:37:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL--OPPS!!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OPPS, I forgot to add the reference! See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=12122 On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > The price of SCRAP metal (like that of oil) must be at an all time > high! > Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jul 15 05:38:56 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:38:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL In-Reply-To: <003701c8e676$7d2475d0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <003701c8e676$7d2475d0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: Hi Lew, My BAD, but you can check out the SCRAP price at http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=12122 Dave On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Lew Best wrote: > If you have any to sell tho now is the time it seems; scrap tin a > coupla > weeks ago was 11 bux a hundred; last week it was down to 9 bux here. > Haven't checked aluminum or copper lately but know it's been high. > > Lew near Waco, TX > > -----Original Message----- > > The price of SCRAP metal (like that of oil) must be at an all time > high! > Dave From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Tue Jul 15 05:44:52 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:44:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003801c8e678$94b282d0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Thanks! Lew -----Original Message----- Hi Lew, My BAD, but you can check out the SCRAP price at http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=12122 Dave From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Jul 15 05:46:52 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:46:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0c4001c8e678$db78f320$8335c53e@doc> Scrap price paid to suppliers for Used Beverage Cans (UBCs) here is 850 GBP for a tonne - this equates to just about 3 cents US a can. Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > David Rotigel > Sent: 15 July 2008 13:16 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL > > The price of SCRAP metal (like that of oil) must be at an all > time high! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jul 15 07:11:41 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:11:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Price of SCRAP AL In-Reply-To: References: <003701c8e676$7d2475d0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <1216131101.487cb01d3e78c@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!! The guy's delusional... Hey Ron, There's your chance to do a "mass saving." Quoting David Rotigel : > Hi Lew, My BAD, but you can check out the SCRAP price at > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=12122 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 23:57:07 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:57:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another Onan W3S Joins the Collection Message-ID: <6f6025160807152357n56720c20x9ff715b07b04ef55@mail.gmail.com> Sad to benefit from the illness of someone else, but we were recently gifted a pair of generators following the serious illness of the owner. The family were looking for a new home for them and our name was put forward by Harry Matthews, who the family contacted for help. We have agreed with them to take the sets on long-term loan, and should we have to dispose of them, the sale proceeds will go to Polio Research. We picked them up last week, have got some quick pictures at: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Onan/DSC02141.jpg through to http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Onan/DSC02146.jpg It is different from our other Onan, in having coil ignition, the earlier breather and oil level indicator etc etc. We reckon it is an August 1942 unit. A smaller and more modern MAG (Swiss company) genny set also came with the Onan, that fired up as soon as we put fresh petrol in the tank, the Onan will need rather more work. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 03:33:13 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:33:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Schiel Diesel Engine?? Message-ID: <6f6025160807160333l7fad23c1wae77270021a45e6d@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone throw any light on this one? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I have an old single cylinder schiel diesel at home that I am looking at repairing and can't find any info on it what so ever. Since the lister is very similar and the pump and injector are a bosch part that possibly the lister uses, I was wondering if you could give me some assistance or know of some one that may be in the same predicament as myself. Ben Hansen email: bhansen4 at bigpond.net.au +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I have nothing in my own archives, but it could be a rebadged engine. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Jul 16 15:32:25 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:32:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Schiel Diesel Engine?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807160333l7fad23c1wae77270021a45e6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807160333l7fad23c1wae77270021a45e6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487E76F9.5030307@rustic-engines.com> The only light I can focus on the name Schiel or Schiele in Oz (Google) are steam driven fans used in early Hunter Valley Collieries. Maybe they switched to stationary's later. > http://archive.amol.org.au/newcastle/greta/newgr.html > http://archive.amol.org.au/newcastle/greta/rmm.html Maybe enquiries to the Newcastle Museum may be of benefit: mailto: nrmuseum at ncc.nsw.gov.au Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > Can anyone throw any light on this one? > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I have an old single cylinder schiel diesel at home that I am looking at > repairing and can't find any info on it what so ever. Since the lister is > very similar and the pump and injector are a bosch part that possibly the > lister uses, I was wondering if you could give me some assistance or know of > some one that may be in the same predicament as myself. > > Ben Hansen email: bhansen4 at bigpond.net.au > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I have nothing in my own archives, but it could be a rebadged engine. > > Peter > From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 17 07:19:21 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:19:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Price of Scrap Message-ID: <009401c8e818$1c0fdd40$9501a8c0@LapTop> Scrap steel and mixed metal loads are bringing $10.00 cwt here in Arcadia Fla. I've hauled 84,000 pounds of old engines and old trucks off since June 3rd. More $$$ than I would have gotten at auction and a lot less stress. grin Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Jul 17 09:24:10 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Message-ID: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I am going to wind some low tension coils. In the past I used gas welding rod for the core. What materials have you used? Coat hanger wire comes to mind. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nEnlAPZkW4o8vtRRnC2LieWoM8kQKPMXhYwjQzgV0enHOaZ/ From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Jul 17 09:41:54 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:41:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils In-Reply-To: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <01f601c8e82c$06259330$8335c53e@doc> The classic school physics had it that you need "soft iron wire" - in the UK, florist's wire has been used. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: 17 July 2008 17:24 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils > > Hi all. > I am going to wind some low tension coils. In the past I used gas > welding rod for the core. What materials have you used? Coat hanger > wire comes to mind. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Jul 17 09:54:28 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:54:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils References: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <00d601c8e82d$c6d1cdf0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Rebar tie wire ought to work well. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Hi all. I am going to wind some low tension coils. In the past I used gas welding rod for the core. What materials have you used? Coat hanger wire comes to mind. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jul 17 12:35:58 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:35:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils In-Reply-To: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Ron: Go to your friendly auto parts store and get a roll of iron "mechanic's wire". It is around 14-16 gauge and when straigtened, cut to length and bundled, makes an excellent core. Although coat hanger wire will work, it would make a rather bulky core and I think it is a bit on the hard side and will retain some magnetism, making it a little less efficient. I suppose you could anneal it and it would work better. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:24 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils > > > Hi all. > I am going to wind some low tension coils. In > the past I used gas > welding rod for the core. What materials have > you used? Coat hanger > wire comes to mind. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell From obise at moscow.com Thu Jul 17 11:49:10 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:49:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils In-Reply-To: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200807171849.m6HInJL0003381@mail-gw.fsr.net> If I were to wind a low tension coil, I'd use ordinary black iron wire. There is a trick that will make it arrow-straight: Roll out a considerable length, then stretch it a bit. It should be a simple matter to set up a shear to cut it to uniform length. (I would use a shear, not a "pincers-type" of cutter. A pincers leaves a sharp, ragged edge. If you don't want to make a "showy" low tension coil, use the E-core out of a small transformer. A Thorardson coil of mine has an E-core in it. The whole works is potted in a metal can. It was originally potted in asphalt; but, wanting to avoid the mess I used wax when I re-built it. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:24 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Hi all. I am going to wind some low tension coils. In the past I used gas welding rod for the core. What materials have you used? Coat hanger wire comes to mind. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jul 17 12:16:28 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:16:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to Build a Low Tension Coil for your Stationary Engine Message-ID: <1216322188.487f9a8c58f74@webmail.city-net.com> Rob has a very interesting and very detailed "how to" on his website. http://engines.rustyiron.com/ltcoil/index.html Entertaining too. 8-)) See ya, Arnie From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 17 13:00:58 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:00:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Message-ID: I have also seen an old guy here in the San Antonio area use re-bar tie wire--- worked great-- very soft and easy to work with--ha! Stan Zettner (old Stover) Pleasanton, Texas You guys are FUN! lol **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 13:48:13 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:48:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard Saved Message-ID: <6f6025160807171348v674722adi944094e54982704f@mail.gmail.com> One of the jobs where we have supplied new chargers and distribution panels to, was at a hydro-electric power station in Scotland, one of the Galloway Hydro-Electric Scheme stations built in the 1930's. The old distribution panel and switchboard was made of 1-1/4" slate boards, with four pieces in total, the overall size being approximately 8ft square and weighing close on a ton. We asked if it could be saved from the scrapman, and with the agreement of the owners and the electrical contractors, we dismantled the whole panel this morning and then took it down to the Anson Museum where Geoff Challinor was delighted to receive the kit of parts. We managed to get all the nuts and bolts and the substantial steel framing as well, so Geoff will not have to make up any mountings for it. It was a 04.30 start from home this morning, and I just got back at 9pm having driven just over 700 miles, so I haven't looked at the pictures I took, but will do tomorrow and I'll put them on the website. One picture is available: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Kendoon1.jpg Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 13:53:23 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:53:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils In-Reply-To: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807171353i76149147s49a3a19aa7c68f64@mail.gmail.com> On 17/07/2008, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > I am going to wind some low tension coils. In the past I used gas > welding rod for the core. What materials have you used? Coat hanger > wire comes to mind. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell We have used the 'I' laminations from transformers with good results, after all it is magnetic steel! Because we wind all our own trannies up to 3kVA, we have all the materials, laminations, tapes and varnish. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Jul 17 14:14:12 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:14:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard Saved In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807171348v674722adi944094e54982704f@mail.gmail.co m> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080717171333.0327d008@ncweb.com> Just the one picture is sufficient to tell us it was worth saving! Dave Merchant At 04:48 PM 7/17/2008, you wrote: >One of the jobs where we have supplied new chargers and distribution >panels to, was at a hydro-electric power station in Scotland, one of >the Galloway Hydro-Electric Scheme stations built in the 1930's. > >The old distribution panel and switchboard was made of 1-1/4" slate >boards, with four pieces in total, the overall size being >approximately 8ft square and weighing close on a ton. > >We asked if it could be saved from the scrapman, and with the >agreement of the owners and the electrical contractors, we dismantled >the whole panel this morning and then took it down to the Anson Museum >where Geoff Challinor was delighted to receive the kit of parts. > >We managed to get all the nuts and bolts and the substantial steel >framing as well, so Geoff will not have to make up any mountings for >it. > >It was a 04.30 start from home this morning, and I just got back at >9pm having driven just over 700 miles, so I haven't looked at the >pictures I took, but will do tomorrow and I'll put them on the >website. > >One picture is available: > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Kendoon1.jpg > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 17 14:53:48 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:53:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard Saved Message-ID: WOW--great pic! This is what I started out with way back when I started the electrical trade! 50 years of it was enough-- ha! Now, back to the old Stovers, LOL---- great pics! Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx USA 78064 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 17 15:01:10 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:01:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils References: <20080717.092410.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <006f01c8e858$a1557ec0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Why bother? Just use ballasts out of fluro lights. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:24 AM Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils > Hi all. > I am going to wind some low tension coils. In the past I used gas > welding rod for the core. What materials have you used? Coat hanger > wire comes to mind. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nEnlAPZkW4o8vtRRnC2LieWoM8kQKPMXhYwjQzgV0enHOaZ/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 17 15:29:27 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:29:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Message-ID: Do yaw'll happen to have a wiring dia for the flour ballasts? I have a bunch of left-over ballsts from my electrical trade--- (the old style) ---guess the newer ones (solid state) may not work? Stan Z USA **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jul 17 16:40:08 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:40:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stan: You are right - the solid-state ballasts won't work. As I recall (CRS Syndrome), ballasts have two windings. Just figure out which one gives the hottest spark and cut the wires off to the other winding. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > gastzt at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 05:29 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cores for coils > > > Do yaw'll happen to have a wiring dia for the > flour ballasts? I have a bunch > of left-over ballsts from my electrical trade--- > (the old style) ---guess > the newer ones (solid state) may not work? > Stan Z USA From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 17 15:48:46 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:48:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Message-ID: Gee thanks Elden-- well hell, that makes good sense--- just mess with it till it does the trick---ha! It is FUN stuff! I got several old Stovers that I may try it on--- just finishing up an old 8hp Stover--- still need to put the carb back on it--- just too dang hot here---will wait till November----ha thanks again-- Stan, Pleasanton, Tx **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Jul 17 16:00:50 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:00:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Message-ID: <20080717.160051.1568.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> G'day Reg. Because a ballast doesn't look close enough to this: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds/photo#522412109142654843 4 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:01:10 +1000 "R & M Ingold" writes: > Why bother? Just use ballasts out of fluro lights. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find Medical Transcription Training programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nFN9FYsjJG8zgeW0xgrPzcZRo4GVA6NhnEiDnIUVzwe4Ehn/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 17 16:45:08 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:45:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils References: <20080717.160051.1568.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <011501c8e86a$0d0be580$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> OK Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cores for coils > G'day Reg. > Because a ballast doesn't look close enough to this: > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds/photo#522412109142654843 > 4 > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:01:10 +1000 "R & M Ingold" > writes: >> Why bother? Just use ballasts out of fluro lights. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find Medical Transcription Training programs. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nFN9FYsjJG8zgeW0xgrPzcZRo4GVA6NhnEiDnIUVzwe4Ehn/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 17 18:15:40 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:15:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils Message-ID: WOW Ron---Great pics! Stan Pleasanton, Tx 78064 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 18:29:21 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:29:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hubless fittings Message-ID: <20080718012920.529E5444851@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi, Thanks everyone for your response to my search for smooth plumbing fittings. I wonder when they changed in design in the US. Thanks again, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Jul 17 21:47:27 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:47:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pacific pumper Message-ID: <20080717.214728.584.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I know in the past there have been several requests for information on Pacific Pumpers. Two and four cylinder two stroke engines that look like Johnson or Evinrude outboard engines coupled to fire pumps. I have come across a Pacific Marine Supply Company catalog, probably from the late '20s. It has eight pages of pictures, descriptions, and specifications for the different models. I would like to make it available on the web. Surely something this old should be able to be made available? What would be the best way? If this works out I also have more of the same kind of information on other marine engines of the period. All suggestions welcomed. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2XiOn1LvGMsG8cy4k258GZKca0Y0nm6GBVr27xf2NKn1Uh/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Jul 17 22:15:12 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:15:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pacific pumper In-Reply-To: <20080717.214728.584.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080717.214728.584.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <0EB55E82-E317-49FA-87ED-90CEA7ECF908@rustyiron.com> On Jul 17, 2008, at 9:47 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. I know in the past there have been several requests for > information on Pacific Pumpers. Two and four cylinder two stroke > engines > that look like Johnson or Evinrude outboard engines coupled to fire > pumps. I have come across a Pacific Marine Supply Company catalog, > probably from the late '20s. It has eight pages of pictures, > descriptions, and specifications for the different models. I would > like > to make it available on the web. Surely something this old should be > able to be made available? What would be the best way? > If this works out I also have more of the same kind of information on > other marine engines of the period. > All suggestions welcomed. Hi Ron, PDF is the de facto standard for serving up multi-page documents as you describe. My only suggestion is to scan them at 300 dpi so users can print them into high-quality hard copy. Rob From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Jul 18 01:39:27 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:39:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cores for coils In-Reply-To: <20080717.160051.1568.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080718043906.02e55dd8@ncweb.com> What's the gear out of? Dave Merchant At 07:00 PM 7/17/2008, you wrote: >G'day Reg. >Because a ballast doesn't look close enough to this: >http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds/photo#522412109142654843 >4 > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California USA >http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > >On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:01:10 +1000 "R & M Ingold" > writes: > > Why bother? Just use ballasts out of fluro lights. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >____________________________________________________________ >Click here to find Medical Transcription Training programs. >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nFN9FYsjJG8zgeW0xgrPzcZRo4GVA6NhnEiDnIUVzwe4Ehn/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 01:48:42 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:48:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard Saved In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807171348v674722adi944094e54982704f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807171348v674722adi944094e54982704f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807180148t205536e5o89bac0d29f66cc7a@mail.gmail.com> On 17/07/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: There is also a motor-generator set that was associated with the switchboard, we are trying to get that for the Anson Museum as well. It goes about 2 tons, made by GEC and had an output of 130V at 130A 20kW DC from 415V 3-phase input. It was fitted to charge the station's main tripping batteries in the event of a charger failure. The new charger is a dual unit with two chargers in a common case, everything duplicated. I'll get the pictures sorted tonight, we took a dozen or so. One of the big water turbines was out of service while we were there, the alternator exciter stator was out of the housing for repair, I have a couple of pictures of that as well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 01:52:57 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:52:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Schiel Diesel Engine?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807160333l7fad23c1wae77270021a45e6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807160333l7fad23c1wae77270021a45e6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807180152m23fefd77g309952de023c8b67@mail.gmail.com> On 16/07/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > Can anyone throw any light on this one? > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I have an old single cylinder schiel diesel at home that I am looking at > repairing and can't find any info on it what so ever. Since the lister is > very similar and the pump and injector are a bosch part that possibly the > lister uses, I was wondering if you could give me some assistance or know of > some one that may be in the same predicament as myself. > > Ben Hansen email: bhansen4 at bigpond.net.au > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I have nothing in my own archives, but it could be a rebadged engine. > > Peter Name correction from Ben: SCIEL Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 08:12:15 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:12:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard Saved - More Pictures Message-ID: <6f6025160807180812u1ee9120ao7b2fd794c608cc62@mail.gmail.com> On 17/07/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > One of the jobs where we have supplied new chargers and distribution > panels to, was at a hydro-electric power station in Scotland, one of > the Galloway Hydro-Electric Scheme stations built in the 1930's. > > One picture is available: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Kendoon1.jpg 11 Pictures now available http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Kendoon1.jpg Through to: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Kendoon11.jpg The motor-generator set is still at the station, we are trying to find out if we can recover this for the Anson as well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Jul 18 09:03:23 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:03:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gear? Message-ID: <20080718.090324.296.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Dave. What gear are you referring to? If it is this one: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds/photo#517293294115066837 0 It is for a Witte SS mine hoist. Here is a picture of it before I got the gear. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/Witte/photo#5182653244756692066 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:39:27 -0400 Dave Merchant writes: > What's the gear out of? > > Dave Merchant ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on consolidating your debt. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2bk9V3PRsuPOmCWlU5AvNfNJ4HZRx8dSW4YzcJeAhjPraF/ From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jul 18 18:19:21 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:19:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard Saved - More Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807180812u1ee9120ao7b2fd794c608cc62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter: Thanks for making the photos available. It's nice to see some of the old stuff being saved. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:12 AM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine > Subject: Re: [SEL] Power Station Switchboard > Saved - More Pictures From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jul 18 20:40:06 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:40:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gear? In-Reply-To: <20080718.090324.296.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080718.090324.296.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <121A09C2-5361-45CF-98F6-CF5D54525308@rustyiron.com> Hey Ron, That's a pretty clever repair. So did you install the new chunk, then cut the profile? Does this type of repair diminish the strength of the gear? Rob On Jul 18, 2008, at 9:03 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Dave. > What gear are you referring to? > If it is this one: > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds/photo#517293294115066837 > 0 > It is for a Witte SS mine hoist. Here is a picture of it before I got > the gear. > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/Witte/photo#5182653244756692066 From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Jul 19 09:43:36 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:43:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gear? Message-ID: <20080719.094337.292.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Good morning Rob. That is the gear I got from Del Donaldson in Albuquerque NM. to get my Witte winch going. It was that way when I got it. I thought it was a novel repair. It looks plenty strong. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/VacationTreasures This is the load with the gears. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:40:06 -0700 Rob Skinner writes: > Hey Ron, > That's a pretty clever repair. So did you install the new chunk, > then > cut the profile? Does this type of repair diminish the strength of > > the gear? > > Rob ____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNLM4pYI8wHz9Jnd4yeqp8xytY4kKt4qDfRnEDCzSyOIOUl/ From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Jul 19 14:11:48 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:11:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List Message-ID: Hi List, A friend has just acquired a Quincy 310 air compressor. It needs work and it also has some missing parts. However, he doesn't have a service manual nor a parts list for the air compressor. Is there an site where I can down load a manual/parts list for this Quincy 310 air compressor? If not, where can he obtain one? Thanks, Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From blcksmth at wcnet.org Sat Jul 19 14:45:56 2008 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:45:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F7FE68ACCDE4797B25FB18553D8CC9E@Eagle> Quincy may still be in business. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of FRM8198 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:12 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List Hi List, A friend has just acquired a Quincy 310 air compressor. It needs work and it also has some missing parts. However, he doesn't have a service manual nor a parts list for the air compressor. Is there an site where I can down load a manual/parts list for this Quincy 310 air compressor? If not, where can he obtain one? Thanks, Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Jul 19 15:07:49 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:07:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List Message-ID: Thanks for the information. I checked their web site and I didn't see anything about service manuals. There was a lot of data about their products. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 7/19/2008 2:51:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, blcksmth at wcnet.org writes: Quincy may still be in business. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 15:10:53 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List In-Reply-To: <5F7FE68ACCDE4797B25FB18553D8CC9E@Eagle> Message-ID: <841674.63084.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try these folks. http://www.mesaequipment.com/Html/Products/Quincy/qr25_basic.html Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Bob Willman wrote: From: Bob Willman Subject: Re: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 5:45 PM Quincy may still be in business. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of FRM8198 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:12 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List Hi List, A friend has just acquired a Quincy 310 air compressor. It needs work and it also has some missing parts. However, he doesn't have a service manual nor a parts list for the air compressor. Is there an site where I can down load a manual/parts list for this Quincy 310 air compressor? If not, where can he obtain one? Thanks, Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Jul 19 18:24:42 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:24:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List References: Message-ID: <001101c8ea07$7222e7e0$3402a8c0@Ed> Hi Francis, I have a Quincy 310, hard copy manual and parts list but they are not in a PDF. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List > Hi List, > A friend has just acquired a Quincy 310 air compressor. It needs work > and > it also has some missing parts. However, he doesn't have a service > manual nor > a parts list for the air compressor. > Is there an site where I can down load a manual/parts list for this > Quincy > 310 air compressor? If not, where can he obtain one? > > Thanks, > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Jul 20 00:54:17 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 03:54:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080720034820.02fa67d0@pop3.wcoil.com> Quincy is not a real great company in dealing with the second owners, But they are arguably the Cadillac of Compressors. Air Comps Don't come much better then a Quincy!! What parts you need? I can get you anything for a Quincy! As well as most other brands, Either OEM or aftermarket. Maytag Mark At 05:11 PM 7/19/08, you wrote: >Hi List, >A friend has just acquired a Quincy 310 air compressor. It needs work and >it also has some missing parts. However, he doesn't have a service >manual nor >a parts list for the air compressor. >Is there an site where I can down load a manual/parts list for this Quincy >310 air compressor? If not, where can he obtain one? > >Thanks, > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > >**************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for >FanHouse Fantasy Football today. >(http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jul 20 03:11:53 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:11:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives Message-ID: <20080720101152.YKIZ10912.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I finally had a bit of time to sort out another R&V. The 2hp BL engine finally ran for the first time today! A bit of video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U0bZjp8TMY Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 20 05:35:36 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:35:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List References: Message-ID: <006201c8ea65$1d1f5bd0$b1e94c0c@D48VHZ61> While I'm not certain about Quincy, Grainger and Sears can get parts for tons of power tools--even what they don't sell. Parts books are easy to download. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List > Hi List, > A friend has just acquired a Quincy 310 air compressor. It needs work > and > it also has some missing parts. However, he doesn't have a service > manual nor > a parts list for the air compressor. > Is there an site where I can down load a manual/parts list for this > Quincy > 310 air compressor? If not, where can he obtain one? > > Thanks, > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Jul 20 09:31:04 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:31:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List Message-ID: Mark, Thanks for the offer. The problem with the Quincy 310 (my friend has) is there are some parts missing. It also has an external check valve installed. Without a manual, it is hard to determine what the configuration should be. I have found listings for parts by part number but, I have no idea where they go. I have the manual for the Quincy 210. However, I don't know if there is parts correlation between the 310 and 210. Francis Maciel In a message dated 7/20/2008 1:01:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, frappi at wcoil.com writes: I can get you anything for a Quincy! As well as most other brands, Either OEM or aftermarket. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Jul 20 11:14:05 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:14:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine Message-ID: Gang: Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days ago and I'm kinda proud of it. If interested, the saga is on my web page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Take care - Elden From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Jul 20 11:11:48 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:11:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 2009 Calendar Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080720190002.00c0b570@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I'd like to publish a 2009 calendar exclusively for members of the 2 lists I belong to ie. SEL and Oldengine lists. What I visualize is the following: a) A fairly high resolution .pdf document that members could print out on their own printers. I will make it in both A4 and letter size to cater for everyone. b) This would be downloadable from my site sometime in December. c) It would be an exclusive calendar for list members ie. not a general download - I could do this with a password protected page or something like that. Of course, if members would like to send a copy to a friend that would be O.K. - I just do not want to make it something that every Tom (sorry Tom in NZ), Dick and Harry (except for Harry Matthews) can log on and download. :-) d) Of course there would be "no charge". I'd just like to do this for list members and friends. I would like you guys to send me a high resolution pic of you and your favourite, most famous, rarest, most popular or whatever engine. Of course it will be nicer if you and your better half (wife/girlfriend/lover or whatever) are included in the photo. That way we could put a face to the people we correspond with on the lists. I'd also like a location but only very vague like "Wisconsin, USA". We do not necessarily want to publish the full address. If you would include your birthday I can try to fit your pic into the appropriate month as well as mark that day as "Joe's birthday". Due to the worldwide nature of this calendar I may or may not show "Public holidays" - maybe just important International ones - let me know your thoughts. Depending on the response it would be a 12 page (1 page per month) calendar with a really good picture of a members engine or a few smaller pics of various members and their engines. The pictures would take up most of the available space on the page with the actual "calendar" taking up maybe 1/4 of the space. Please let me know your thoughts and start selecting the photograph that you would like included. Remember that I would like this to be high quality so please select good, clear, high resolution photographs. It will not look good if you or your engine is just a "big shadow". For those of you who do not have digital photo's you could post me a print and I will scan it. P.S. Maytags are welcome :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Jul 20 11:59:17 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:59:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need a Quincy 310 Air Compressor Manual/Parts List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080720145350.03061eb0@pop3.wcoil.com> You should be able to at least get an idea on identify the parts using the 210 manual. Where do the parts go that he needs? Get me some pics? showing the empty spots where the parts go. External check valve? Is the pump oil pressure or splash lube? Does it have an oil pressure gauge on it? Mark At 12:31 PM 7/20/08, you wrote: >Mark, >Thanks for the offer. >The problem with the Quincy 310 (my friend has) is there are some parts >missing. It also has an external check valve installed. Without a >manual, it is >hard to determine what the configuration should be. I have found listings >for parts by part number but, I have no idea where they go. >I have the manual for the Quincy 210. However, I don't know if there is >parts correlation between the 310 and 210. > >Francis Maciel > >In a message dated 7/20/2008 1:01:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >frappi at wcoil.com writes: > >I can get you anything for a >Quincy! As well as most other brands, Either OEM or >aftermarket. Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 20 12:10:18 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:10:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2008 1:21:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Elden, I must say you sure were persistent with your project, much thinking, and Yankee ingenuity! Thanks for the story and photos. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germaoamer at AOL.com **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Jul 20 14:12:45 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:12:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine Message-ID: Fantastic job! Thanks for sharing. Francis In a message dated 7/20/2008 10:21:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: Gang: Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days ago and I'm kinda proud of it. If interested, the saga is on my web page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Take care - Elden _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 14:38:00 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <903351.67526.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Really a nice job, Elden. Alan in Michigan --- On Sun, 7/20/08, Elden DuRand wrote: From: Elden DuRand Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine To: "Stationary Engine List" Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 2:14 PM Gang: Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days ago and I'm kinda proud of it. If interested, the saga is on my web page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Take care - Elden From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 20 15:08:20 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:08:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine References: Message-ID: <00fd01c8eab5$1f765cd0$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Great ... you have more talent than I ever dreamed of having. Paul in IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 2:14 PM Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine > Gang: > > Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I > designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days > ago and I'm kinda proud of it. > > If interested, the saga is on my web page. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Take care - Elden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ddotto at cableone.net Sun Jul 20 16:48:45 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:48:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c8eac3$266c4050$0401a8c0@SHOP> Hi Eldon I have been following the progress of your engine on your web site; Congratulations on getting her running. Great job, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:14 AM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine Gang: Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days ago and I'm kinda proud of it. If interested, the saga is on my web page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Take care - Elden _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3282 (20080719) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 20 17:37:27 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:37:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine References: Message-ID: <6C942FE8B4624CE2BE00EB021FC230B9@FAMILY> Beautiful work Elden, I wish I had just half your machining knowledge. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine > Gang: > > Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I > designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days > ago and I'm kinda proud of it. > > If interested, the saga is on my web page. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Take care - Elden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Jul 20 19:44:39 2008 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:44:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/Stover DV-2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine nice work on the engine, and congratulations on such a nice collection,,, in viewing the pictures on your web site, i found the Stover DV-2,,,,, i have 2 of these, but never knew for sure what they were,, the guy i got them from "thought" they were some type of Stover,,, i think i can make one good one from the pair,,, do you have any info on these such as parts lists, etc ? thanks in advance for any help,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 20 20:00:56 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:00:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II Message-ID: I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the Type B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last week came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I appreciate all the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and help and there may be another chance yet! Here's a bit of background: A man named Hannebaum lived in Billings, Missouri in the late 1800's. He was a machinist, inventor, and from all accounts and information found, a mechanical genius for his time. In the early 1890's Hannebaum designed an internal combustion engine. He went to work at a foundry and machine shop in Springfield, OH. While there are records of him living in Springfield and his grandchildren know of the accounts of him living there, there is no record of where he worked. I have a strong suspicion that the company was the Springfield Engine Company. I believe the Type B Springfield was actually designed by Hannebaum. The Type B's were evidently a failure in terms of sales as of the Springfields that survive, only 3 (up till now) were the Type B's. Hannebaum returned to Billings, MO after his stint in OH. One of two things occurred however. Hannebaum either brought the Type B Springfield patterns with him or brought unused castings back to MO to build engines. One of the engines, probably rated around 4 to 6 HP, was installed in a grain elevator in Billings. It remained in service until the early 1940's when the elevator was torn down. The Malice family purchased the engine and took it to the farm where they lived. Richard Malachi's father eventually took the engine apart, scattering the pieces among the piles of scrap iron on the family farm. The base, cylinder, crank, flywheels, piston, rod, sideshaft and sideshaft supports and brackets remained together. After numerous years of trying, the engine was acquired about 3 years ago by a collector who lived in the area. After seeing the task to bring the engine back to life (and determining it may be a bit much), I was able acquire the engine from him. Mr. Malachi gave permission for us to search the property as he was confident the parts were located somewhere on the farm. Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake valve cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 20 20:03:08 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:03:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II Message-ID: <97FD5FDC5CF845D2AA64C3FB1CCAA14E@tommydk7hxjr4h> One correction, it should read "the Malachi family purchased the engine". Spell check changed it to "Malice" instead of "Malachi". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: Judge Tommy Turner To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: The Gig on the Dig - Part II I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the Type B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last week came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I appreciate all the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and help and there may be another chance yet! Here's a bit of background: A man named Hannebaum lived in Billings, Missouri in the late 1800's. He was a machinist, inventor, and from all accounts and information found, a mechanical genius for his time. In the early 1890's Hannebaum designed an internal combustion engine. He went to work at a foundry and machine shop in Springfield, OH. While there are records of him living in Springfield and his grandchildren know of the accounts of him living there, there is no record of where he worked. I have a strong suspicion that the company was the Springfield Engine Company. I believe the Type B Springfield was actually designed by Hannebaum. The Type B's were evidently a failure in terms of sales as of the Springfields that survive, only 3 (up till now) were the Type B's. Hannebaum returned to Billings, MO after his stint in OH. One of two things occurred however. Hannebaum either brought the Type B Springfield patterns with him or brought unused castings back to MO to build engines. One of the engines, probably rated around 4 to 6 HP, was installed in a grain elevator in Billings. It remained in service until the early 1940's when the elevator was torn down. The Malice family purchased the engine and took it to the farm where they lived. Richard Malachi's father eventually took the engine apart, scattering the pieces among the piles of scrap iron on the family farm. The base, cylinder, crank, flywheels, piston, rod, sideshaft and sideshaft supports and brackets remained together. After numerous years of trying, the engine was acquired about 3 years ago by a collector who lived in the area. After seeing the task to bring the engine back to life (and determining it may be a bit much), I was able acquire the engine from him. Mr. Malachi gave permission for us to search the property as he was confident the parts were located somewhere on the farm. Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake valve cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Jul 20 20:14:26 2008 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:14:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/ Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: disregard my previous post, as i just found the rest of the engine information on the web site,, bill boyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sun Jul 20 20:32:35 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:32:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: <97FD5FDC5CF845D2AA64C3FB1CCAA14E@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <023401c8eae2$6c0451b0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Looks like a really fun adventure!!!!!! Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- One correction, it should read "the Malachi family purchased the engine". Spell check changed it to "Malice" instead of "Malachi". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: Judge Tommy Turner To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: The Gig on the Dig - Part II I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the Type B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last week came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I appreciate all the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and help and there may be another chance yet! Here's a bit of background: A man named Hannebaum lived in Billings, Missouri in the late 1800's. He was a machinist, inventor, and from all accounts and information found, a mechanical genius for his time. In the early 1890's Hannebaum designed an internal combustion engine. He went to work at a foundry and machine shop in Springfield, OH. While there are records of him living in Springfield and his grandchildren know of the accounts of him living there, there is no record of where he worked. I have a strong suspicion that the company was the Springfield Engine Company. I believe the Type B Springfield was actually designed by Hannebaum. The Type B's were evidently a failure in terms of sales as of the Springfields that survive, only 3 (up till now) were the Type B's. Hannebaum returned to Billings, MO after his stint in OH. One of two things occurred however. Hannebaum either brought the Type B Springfield patterns with him or brought unused castings back to MO to build engines. One of the engines, probably rated around 4 to 6 HP, was installed in a grain elevator in Billings. It remained in service until the early 1940's when the elevator was torn down. The Malice family purchased the engine and took it to the farm where they lived. Richard Malachi's father eventually took the engine apart, scattering the pieces among the piles of scrap iron on the family farm. The base, cylinder, crank, flywheels, piston, rod, sideshaft and sideshaft supports and brackets remained together. After numerous years of trying, the engine was acquired about 3 years ago by a collector who lived in the area. After seeing the task to bring the engine back to life (and determining it may be a bit much), I was able acquire the engine from him. Mr. Malachi gave permission for us to search the property as he was confident the parts were located somewhere on the farm. Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake valve cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Jul 20 21:55:28 2008 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:55:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <375acf600807202155m282ed081x9a36015232959a99@mail.gmail.com> Tommy, It looks like you guys had fun! I wish I could have joined you. Gary On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the Type B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last week came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I appreciate all the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and help and there may be another chance yet! > > Here's a bit of background: A man named Hannebaum lived in Billings, Missouri in the late 1800's. He was a machinist, inventor, and from all accounts and information found, a mechanical genius for his time. In the early 1890's Hannebaum designed an internal combustion engine. He went to work at a foundry and machine shop in Springfield, OH. While there are records of him living in Springfield and his grandchildren know of the accounts of him living there, there is no record of where he worked. I have a strong suspicion that the company was the Springfield Engine Company. > > I believe the Type B Springfield was actually designed by Hannebaum. The Type B's were evidently a failure in terms of sales as of the Springfields that survive, only 3 (up till now) were the Type B's. > > Hannebaum returned to Billings, MO after his stint in OH. One of two things occurred however. Hannebaum either brought the Type B Springfield patterns with him or brought unused castings back to MO to build engines. > > One of the engines, probably rated around 4 to 6 HP, was installed in a grain elevator in Billings. It remained in service until the early 1940's when the elevator was torn down. The Malice family purchased the engine and took it to the farm where they lived. Richard Malachi's father eventually took the engine apart, scattering the pieces among the piles of scrap iron on the family farm. The base, cylinder, crank, flywheels, piston, rod, sideshaft and sideshaft supports and brackets remained together. > > After numerous years of trying, the engine was acquired about 3 years ago by a collector who lived in the area. After seeing the task to bring the engine back to life (and determining it may be a bit much), I was able acquire the engine from him. Mr. Malachi gave permission for us to search the property as he was confident the parts were located somewhere on the farm. > > Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake valve cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? > > If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Jul 20 22:00:54 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:00:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <922ADE54D83F4BD488C1241341067754@KerryPC> G'Day Elden WORTHLESS - NOTHING PRODUCTIVE, I must have the definitions completely wrong. What a fantastic job you have done and one of the best I have ever see on this list, all elements of your project are first class Planning - skills with CAD Building - Mill, Lathe, Drilling, Welding, plus, plus Presentation - Beautiful finish that looks great Communication - Your step by step WEB page report is first class To be proud of it surely is a understatement Well done and thank you for sharing your immense skills Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz 21-07 2.56pm > > Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to do, I > designed > and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran a couple of days ago and > I'm > kinda proud of it. > > If interested, the saga is on my web page. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Take care - Elden > > > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sun Jul 20 23:48:40 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:48:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01f601c8eafd$cfedc1f0$8335c53e@doc> Thanks for that, Elden - haven't enjoyed anything so much in months. All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Elden DuRand > Sent: 20 July 2008 19:14 > To: Stationary Engine List > Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine > > Gang: > > Being retired and worthless and having nothing productive to > do, I designed and built a small flywheel engine. It first > ran a couple of days ago and I'm kinda proud of it. > > If interested, the saga is on my web page. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Take care - Elden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jul 21 07:31:48 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:31:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine In-Reply-To: <000801c8eac3$266c4050$0401a8c0@SHOP> Message-ID: Dave, Paul, Bill, Kerry and everybody else: Thank all of you and others for your kind comments. This was the first time I've ever tackled machine work of this complexity and my first small engine. I don't know if I'll do it again. It was a LOT of work! If I do another, it could be a small Diesel on the same pattern. Anyway, I sat up in bed last night as it finally dawned on me why I did it. I've always wanted a sideshaft engine but I'm too cheap! :-) After I get the shop cleaned up, I'm thinking of adding bob weights on the crankshaft to help the balance a little. I'll also enlarge the base so it is a bit more stable when it's running. I'll try to update the web page occasionally. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave Otto > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 06:49 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine > > > Hi Eldon > > I have been following the progress of your engine > on your web site; > Congratulations on getting her running. > > Great job, > Dave > > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] > On Behalf Of Elden DuRand > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:14 AM > To: Stationary Engine List > Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine > > Gang: > > Being retired and worthless and having nothing > productive to do, I designed > and built a small flywheel engine. It first ran > a couple of days ago and > I'm kinda proud of it. > > If interested, the saga is on my web page. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Take care - Elden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, > version of virus signature > database 3282 (20080719) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jul 21 07:33:59 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:33:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/Stover DV-2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill: Please feel free to email me for any information you need on the Stovers. I still think it's "Cuter'n a speckle pup". Especially with the generator grafted to it. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of bill boyce > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 09:45 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/Stover DV-2 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:14 PM > Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine > > nice work on the engine, and congratulations on > such a nice collection,,, in > viewing the pictures > on your web site, i found the Stover DV-2,,,,, i > have 2 of these, but never > knew for sure > what they were,, the guy i got them from > "thought" they were some type of > Stover,,, > i think i can make one good one from the pair,,, > do you have any info on > these such > as parts lists, etc ? thanks in advance for any help,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jul 21 07:41:41 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:41:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: <97FD5FDC5CF845D2AA64C3FB1CCAA14E@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Tommy: Fascinating! Be sure to update us. Thanks! Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:03 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II > > > One correction, it should read "the Malachi > family purchased the engine". Spell check > changed it to "Malice" instead of "Malachi". > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 21 08:22:48 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:22:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II References: Message-ID: <013701c8eb45$a2a8c760$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Totally, totally fascinating .... what believe and determination. I am glad you had an idea of what you where looking for. Congratulations Paul in IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II >I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig >on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the >Type B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last >week came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I >appreciate all the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and >help and there may be another chance yet! > > Here's a bit of background: A man named Hannebaum lived in Billings, > Missouri in the late 1800's. He was a machinist, inventor, and from all > accounts and information found, a mechanical genius for his time. In the > early 1890's Hannebaum designed an internal combustion engine. He went to > work at a foundry and machine shop in Springfield, OH. While there are > records of him living in Springfield and his grandchildren know of the > accounts of him living there, there is no record of where he worked. I > have a strong suspicion that the company was the Springfield Engine > Company. > > I believe the Type B Springfield was actually designed by Hannebaum. The > Type B's were evidently a failure in terms of sales as of the Springfields > that survive, only 3 (up till now) were the Type B's. > > Hannebaum returned to Billings, MO after his stint in OH. One of two > things occurred however. Hannebaum either brought the Type B Springfield > patterns with him or brought unused castings back to MO to build engines. > > One of the engines, probably rated around 4 to 6 HP, was installed in a > grain elevator in Billings. It remained in service until the early 1940's > when the elevator was torn down. The Malice family purchased the engine > and took it to the farm where they lived. Richard Malachi's father > eventually took the engine apart, scattering the pieces among the piles of > scrap iron on the family farm. The base, cylinder, crank, flywheels, > piston, rod, sideshaft and sideshaft supports and brackets remained > together. > > After numerous years of trying, the engine was acquired about 3 years ago > by a collector who lived in the area. After seeing the task to bring the > engine back to life (and determining it may be a bit much), I was able > acquire the engine from him. Mr. Malachi gave permission for us to search > the property as he was confident the parts were located somewhere on the > farm. > > Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate > parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake > valve cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? > > If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the > captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Jul 21 09:35:43 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:35:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: <97FD5FDC5CF845D2AA64C3FB1CCAA14E@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <97FD5FDC5CF845D2AA64C3FB1CCAA14E@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059079C8817@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Great adventure Tommy! Loved the pictures. Would have like being part of the adventure, but it was just too far away for us west coast guys. I assume you had some good metal detectors to help locate the buried parts. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 21 10:58:19 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:58:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1216663099.4884ce3bd9136@webmail.city-net.com> Tommy, You're an inspiration to us all. Not only do you take on some really difficult restorations on really rare engines, but there is usually one helluva good story involved as well. This one is no exception. Thanks for this one. VERY entertaining. Who would have believed that you would have found as much as you did? Just amazing!! The obvious follow-up question is will you write this up and send it in to GEM? I'm looking forward to seeing this one running at some future Coolspring or Portland show. See ya, Arnie PS - Anyone get poison ivy? 8-)) Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig > on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the Type > B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last week > came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I appreciate all > the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and help and there > may be another chance yet! > If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the > captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 21 11:22:45 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:22:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: <1216663099.4884ce3bd9136@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001201c8eb5e$c5791880$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Thanks Arnie. Yeah, I plan on eventually writing it up and sending it in. I hope that I can make one more trip to the site in MO to hunt for that elusive intake cage. I could have a pattern made and have it cast but I'd love to find the original. The old gent tells me "its here, I guarantee it, I just don't know for sure where". There is still a possible location or two to look on the site. After we found the first part, I thought the others would be beside it. But, it appears the parts of the engine were like everything else, scattered here and there. "Throw the governor by that tree and the carb by that one over there" must have been the mode of the day. I guess that's the reason some of this old junk survived in the first place. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II Tommy, You're an inspiration to us all. Not only do you take on some really difficult restorations on really rare engines, but there is usually one helluva good story involved as well. This one is no exception. Thanks for this one. VERY entertaining. Who would have believed that you would have found as much as you did? Just amazing!! The obvious follow-up question is will you write this up and send it in to GEM? I'm looking forward to seeing this one running at some future Coolspring or Portland show. See ya, Arnie PS - Anyone get poison ivy? 8-)) Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > I had emails from several of you asking me to keep you informed on the "Gig > on the Dig" in regards to searching for the balance of the parts on the Type > B Springfield I have. The possibility of giving the dig a shot last week > came together rather quickly, over the span of a few days. I appreciate all > the offers of assistance several of you gave me to come and help and there > may be another chance yet! > If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the > captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 21 11:24:52 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:24:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: <1216663099.4884ce3bd9136@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001301c8eb5f$11759c40$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> PS: To my knowledge no one is itching. Luckily Poison Ivy doesn't make me itch. We all did sweat a lot though! Both days of the dig were in the mid 90's and high humidity. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY PS - Anyone get poison ivy? 8-)) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 21 11:49:03 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:49:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059079C8817@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000701c8eb62$72444be0$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Yeah George, we had metal detectors. But, there was so much junk at the location they were almost useless. It seems everything from old nails to screws to nuts and bolts were tossed out. A lot of positive readings at that place! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:36 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: The Gig on the Dig - Part II Great adventure Tommy! Loved the pictures. Would have like being part of the adventure, but it was just too far away for us west coast guys. I assume you had some good metal detectors to help locate the buried parts. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jul 21 16:15:31 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:15:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/Stover DV-2 Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2008 10:51:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, bboyce at swat.coop writes: i think i can make one good one from the pair,,, Bill, I do not have one of these engines, but have seen several running over the years. They are a great little engine and seem to be very balanced Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germaoamer at AOL.com **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From obise at moscow.com Mon Jul 21 16:22:34 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:22:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200807212322.m6LNMgSt018487@mail-gw.fsr.net> Wow, Tommy, by the time you get that Springfield running you will have a great story to tell; it's already mighty interesting. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:01 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II Snip Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake valve cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 21 19:17:30 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:17:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II References: <200807212322.m6LNMgSt018487@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <835579C6AD3C470C81D7A1DD90E17094@tommydk7hxjr4h> Thanks Orrin. I'd love to tackle it in the near future. I've got most all of it now and I think putting it together will be fun. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin B Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II > Wow, Tommy, by the time you get that Springfield running you will have a > great story to tell; it's already mighty interesting. > > Best regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:01 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] The Gig on the Dig - Part II > > Snip > > Last week the stars finally aligned to make the first attempt to locate > parts. Some were found but the main item still missing is the intake > valve > cage. Maybe another dig is in the future? > > If you will go to this site, you can look through the photos and read the > captions under each to follow the progress on The Dig. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/TheGigOnTheDig > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1565 - Release Date: 7/21/2008 > 6:36 PM > > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jul 21 22:13:45 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:13:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V primer cup wanted. Message-ID: <003301c8ebb9$b73610b0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all I am after a fuel primer cup for my vertical 2hp R&V. I would prefer one that has an extension built in of about 1 - 2 inches, but no essential. A wine glass type top cup, machined round tap handle. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/images/verticals/primer-cup_marked%20(Medium).jpg] Essex Brass have one here; http://www.essexbrass.com/shutc.htm MS503 #503 Priming Cup $13.23 MS507 #507 Priming Cup $13.52 Rustic Spares (Oz), Starbolt and Hit & Miss (USA) do not have photos, how the hell can you buy if you can't see what you want !!! Their web sites are not work having online. Rally Badges in Melbourne want $89.95 but I think Greg is confusing it with an oiler ??? I am at the mercy of you engine gurus, please help. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jul 22 07:05:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:05:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/Stover DV-2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill & Tom: You are right in that the little Stover DV-2 engines are smooth running. The balance is surprisingly good. My only comment is that the one I restored had to ber spun a bit to get it started and it never was really happy running at no load (governor hunted and mixture acted a little lean). Under any load, though and they purr like a kitten. With the Leland generator, the engine is set to run at 1,800 RPM and it seems really happy at that speed. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Germoamer at aol.com > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 06:16 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] The Homebrew Engine/Stover DV-2 > > > > In a message dated 7/20/2008 10:51:40 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > bboyce at swat.coop writes: > > i think i can make one good one from the pair,,, > > > > Bill, > > I do not have one of these engines, but have seen > several running over the > years. They are a great little engine and seem > to be very balanced > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germaoamer at AOL.com > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live > scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr 00050000000020) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jul 22 06:42:17 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:42:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Duke was Ahead of his Time Message-ID: <1216734137.4885e3b97831e@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Ron, When I read this piece I immediately thought of Duke the Wonder Dog, the Titanium-Tipped-Terror, nemisis of Novo Boy and Evil Dave, and defender of Maytag Manor. http://www.wvva.com/Global/story.asp?S=8704537 I sure do miss Duke! See ya, Arnie PS - If the above "list lore" references leave you clueless, read here... http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/FAQ.shtml#Evil%20Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jul 22 09:59:15 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:59:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland Message-ID: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, The organizers have put together what sounds to me like a pretty nifty "event" for the FATGs at Portland. They have a 40-50 mile route laid out for tractors to travel. Sort of a tractor parade writ large. It will be interesting to see what percentage of the "trailer queens" take part. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jul 22 10:54:20 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:54:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland In-Reply-To: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105907A0D2FD@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Actually, having a tractor drive as part of a show sounds like a good idea. I know some clubs in the west have tractor tours, but they are separate from any shows the club has. A 40-50 mile route is a bit long for something as part of a show. I'd think any tour as part of a show shouldn't be more than a couple hours at the most. A 50 mile route would have them away from the show grounds most of the day. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:59 AM To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland Hi Folks, The organizers have put together what sounds to me like a pretty nifty "event" for the FATGs at Portland. They have a 40-50 mile route laid out for tractors to travel. Sort of a tractor parade writ large. It will be interesting to see what percentage of the "trailer queens" take part. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 22 13:35:43 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:35:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland References: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105907A0D2FD@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <002401c8ec3a$83f15a30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> A 50 mile route would have them away from the show grounds most of the day. >> George >>> DING DING DING !! WE HAVE A WINNAH ! ! From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 22 14:07:33 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:07:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland Message-ID: <20080722.170742.968.2.jlb94@juno.com> It's a good idea - North West PA Steam Engine (Portersville) has a tractor cruise during, but not part of, the show. Chickentown Gas & Steam Asso. have a tractor ride they do during the show. It lasts about 3 hours and everyone on it has a good time. just my 2?. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) ____________________________________________________________ Click to find great rates on home insurance, save big, shop here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3GBbtA3GgIRMK804plSr1MIT5UkjT43TH2lg4jEsTmTzq1/ From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jul 22 14:17:30 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:17:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland References: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <003c01c8ec40$5a316db0$e0376d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Folks , `If most of them leave on this jolly in the country I vote that us engine guy's should squat in the nice leafy shaded area that they had last year unless it has already been allocated for engine display areas. Cheers, Craig in sunny Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland > Hi Folks, > > The organizers have put together what sounds to me like a pretty nifty > "event" > for the FATGs at Portland. They have a 40-50 mile route laid out for > tractors > to travel. Sort of a tractor parade writ large. It will be interesting > to see > what percentage of the "trailer queens" take part. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1566 - Release Date: 22/07/2008 > 06:00 > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jul 22 16:40:27 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:40:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Piston identification please Message-ID: <007c01c8ec54$52239210$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all Can anyone identify this piston please, it is 5 1/2" long x 4 1/2" dia. and 2 1/2" from top to centre of wrist pin. It has the numer 605 inside? http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/images/verticals/2hp_vert_piston.jpg more at the bottom of this page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_piston_conrod.htm Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jul 22 20:44:07 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:44:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Priming cups Message-ID: <20080722.204408.772.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Here are a couple of priming cups on Ebay. 330255464099 330255463850 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nEnlSBDIkNUjurhUZtD0q6BM4rexNZy4p8NGWAxJYJ1Nas9/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 23 01:29:18 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:29:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland In-Reply-To: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20080723082910.QBPI10826.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Arnie, The 'Tractor Treks' have been a regular thing here for many years. Perhaps it has taken a while for you guys to pick it up due to difficulties of translating it via Paypal (oops, I may be getting my subjects confused!). Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi Folks, The organizers have put together what sounds to me like a pretty nifty "event" for the FATGs at Portland. They have a 40-50 mile route laid out for tractors to travel. Sort of a tractor parade writ large. It will be interesting to see what percentage of the "trailer queens" take part. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 23 08:18:20 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:18:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... Message-ID: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... http://www.paypalsucks.com/ See ya, Arnie From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 23 11:33:22 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... In-Reply-To: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <2888.12.223.26.26.1216838002.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> WOW! Eye-opener! > Hi Folks, > > Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... > http://www.paypalsucks.com/ > > See ya, Arnie > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 23 12:09:39 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:09:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curtiss OX and Liberty V's Message-ID: <003501c8ecf7$a913e630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Anyone have a clue what these things sell for ? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 23 13:05:04 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:05:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net> <375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003e01c8ecff$66855990$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I appreciate all the input on the wee Fords . And as far as pulling a 1000 lbs behind a 20 HP tractor , dont forget who pulled a Reid from Ga behind a 4.3 chevy with no trailer brakes . I asked about the Fords as they are lying around EVERYWHERE like shotgun hulls , but if they are too light what would be a good choice in a vintage tractor to do that work ? Considering high production numbers , weight , available parts , and ultimately purchase price . John Deere A and B 's maybe ? Having to hand start it is actually a plus . Chuck From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Jul 23 14:20:14 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland In-Reply-To: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <51719.168.215.206.73.1216848014.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Arnie, Did ya notice the rules say no riders? That means the FATG's will be leaving their wives/girlfriends at the show grounds for the 50 mile trek. This could be a good thing or a horribly bad thing, depending on the gals' capacity to provide axle traction. But I think we guys of the SEL have an obligation to the abandoned fair ladies (at least those no good at axle traction) by inviting them to spend the day with an entertaining and fun bunch of guys. Perhaps added incentive would be to drop knowledge that Reg and his "cuddles" will be visiting from Oz. Ahh it could be an extra good year at Portland. Curt > Hi Folks, > > The organizers have put together what sounds to me like a pretty nifty > "event" > for the FATGs at Portland. They have a 40-50 mile route laid out for > tractors > to travel. Sort of a tractor parade writ large. It will be interesting > to see > what percentage of the "trailer queens" take part. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 23 15:15:10 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:15:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland In-Reply-To: <51719.168.215.206.73.1216848014.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com> <51719.168.215.206.73.1216848014.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1216851310.4887ad6ebb884@webmail.city-net.com> Curt, What an EXCELLENT idea!! You probably recall that Dave has had particular success with this ploy while menfolk were out scouting for "good deals." http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/davesharem2.jpg Of course, as you mention below, the success of this plan depends on the gals NOT being good "axel traction" as you put it. Dave solved this problem by applying his "calibrated axe handle" as follows. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle3.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle4.jpg I think you'll agree that the "results" were universally EXCELLENT! Oh, wait, YOU weren't there. You had (foolishly) abandoned your wife and left her to our care. Trust me Curt, we took very good care of her. 8->> Come on Portland!! BTW, are you planning on joining us at the Portland-Tuneup? AKA, Findlay Ohio? If you've never been, it is truly one of the very best shows on the calendar. See ya, Arnie Quoting curt at rustyiron.com: > Did ya notice the rules say no riders? That means the FATG's will be > leaving their wives/girlfriends at the show grounds for the 50 mile trek. > This could be a good thing or a horribly bad thing, depending on the gals' > capacity to provide axle traction. But I think we guys of the SEL have an > obligation to the abandoned fair ladies (at least those no good at axle > traction) by inviting them to spend the day with an entertaining and fun > bunch of guys. Perhaps added incentive would be to drop knowledge that Reg > and his "cuddles" will be visiting from Oz. Ahh it could be an extra good > year at Portland. > Curt From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 23 15:18:39 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:18:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... > Hi Folks, > > Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... > http://www.paypalsucks.com/ > > See ya, Arnie > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Jul 23 15:38:24 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:38:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8N Fords References: <6f6025160807072343p666f4df8g2573b03f922555fe@mail.gmail.com><010901c8e124$ca0cae00$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><9CF01CDD-352C-4990-9428-733C79AF8893@alltel.net><375acf600807081339n40917421s31c831a9854894ce@mail.gmail.com> <003e01c8ecff$66855990$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Are there any Oliver Super 55's around you? Spin-start John Deeres are pretty neat though.It's funny that the horse power isn't much more than the Ford but being a heavy tractor makes the difference.I remember haying with a '38 spin-start and it was like the tail wagging the dog Jim Kangas ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Wed 7/23/2008 4:05 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 8N Fords I appreciate all the input on the wee Fords . And as far as pulling a 1000 lbs behind a 20 HP tractor , dont forget who pulled a Reid from Ga behind a 4.3 chevy with no trailer brakes . I asked about the Fords as they are lying around EVERYWHERE like shotgun hulls , but if they are too light what would be a good choice in a vintage tractor to do that work ? Considering high production numbers , weight , available parts , and ultimately purchase price . John Deere A and B 's maybe ? Having to hand start it is actually a plus . Chuck _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 23 15:55:38 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:55:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland References: <1216745955.488611e3a003b@webmail.city-net.com><51719.168.215.206.73.1216848014.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <1216851310.4887ad6ebb884@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c8ed17$3abb8e20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Here, a somewhat large girl is sized as "Two axe handles and a wad of tobacco" Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 1st Annual Tractor Ride at Portland > Curt, What an EXCELLENT idea!! > > You probably recall that Dave has had particular success with this ploy > while > menfolk were out scouting for "good deals." > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/davesharem2.jpg > > Of course, as you mention below, the success of this plan depends on the > gals > NOT being good "axel traction" as you put it. Dave solved this problem by > applying his "calibrated axe handle" as follows. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle2.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle3.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland03/sel/axhandle4.jpg > > I think you'll agree that the "results" were universally EXCELLENT! > Oh, wait, YOU weren't there. You had (foolishly) abandoned your wife and > left > her to our care. Trust me Curt, we took very good care of her. 8->> > > Come on Portland!! > > BTW, are you planning on joining us at the Portland-Tuneup? AKA, Findlay > Ohio? > If you've never been, it is truly one of the very best shows on the > calendar. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting curt at rustyiron.com: > >> Did ya notice the rules say no riders? That means the FATG's will be >> leaving their wives/girlfriends at the show grounds for the 50 mile trek. >> This could be a good thing or a horribly bad thing, depending on the >> gals' >> capacity to provide axle traction. But I think we guys of the SEL have an >> obligation to the abandoned fair ladies (at least those no good at axle >> traction) by inviting them to spend the day with an entertaining and fun >> bunch of guys. Perhaps added incentive would be to drop knowledge that >> Reg >> and his "cuddles" will be visiting from Oz. Ahh it could be an extra good >> year at Portland. >> Curt > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jul 23 16:03:08 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:03:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> <004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> I can't open it either Reg. Pete, Oz > Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Stationary Engine List" ; > "Old_Engine" > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM > Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... > > >> Hi Folks, >> >> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Jul 23 16:20:18 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:20:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... In-Reply-To: <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> <004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <4887BCB2.6040005@rustic-engines.com> Try this one, it hasn't been shut down ... yet. :-) > http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/paypal.html Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > I can't open it either Reg. > Pete, Oz > > > > >> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; >> "Old_Engine" >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >> >> >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >>> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Jul 23 16:28:52 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:28:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com><004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <005a01c8ed1b$df2edf30$742d0556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >I can't open it either Reg. > Pete, Oz >> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >>> Hi Folks, >>> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >>> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >>> See ya, Arnie Hi Peter, It did work earlier but will not work at the moment! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 23 16:29:18 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:29:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com><004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <14406C9C49994BFAA2172E9C6D2B9DE8@YOURDA6F5028CB> Don't worry, it's bullshit. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >I can't open it either Reg. > Pete, Oz > > > >> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; >> "Old_Engine" >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >> >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >>> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 > 1:31 PM > > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Jul 23 16:30:34 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:30:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... In-Reply-To: <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> <004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <4887BF1A.4000400@rustic-engines.com> I should add that PPS has been around for a while now. > http://boardreader.com/domain/paypalsucks.com > http://www.forbes.com/2005/03/07/cx_cw_0308hate_3.html > http://www.peterbe.com/PayPalSucks.com Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > I can't open it either Reg. > Pete, Oz > > > > >> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; >> "Old_Engine" >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >> >> >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >>> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From gastzt at aol.com Wed Jul 23 17:27:09 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:27:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... Message-ID: you are right, Skip---- we never had any problem----- (yet) ha! Stan Pleasanton, Tx **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jul 23 21:19:22 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:19:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! Message-ID: <004001c8ed44$739ce400$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all Here is an engine for the keen collectoe, funny he does not accept PayPal either !! http://cgi.ebay.com/DeLaVergne-150-HP-1913-SIDESHAFT-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ250273978954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250273978954&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1308 Peter, Oz From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Wed Jul 23 21:33:41 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:33:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! In-Reply-To: <004001c8ed44$739ce400$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <017601c8ed46$772cfdb0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Looks like a good one for Tommy! Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Hi all Here is an engine for the keen collectoe, funny he does not accept PayPal either !! http://cgi.ebay.com/DeLaVergne-150-HP-1913-SIDESHAFT-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W 0QQitemZ250273978954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250273978954&_trksid=p3286.m 14.l1308 Peter, Oz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 00:43:58 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:43:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curtiss OX and Liberty V's In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807240042n5d29eb1bq2c16f9730df37b27@mail.gmail.com> References: <003501c8ecf7$a913e630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160807240042n5d29eb1bq2c16f9730df37b27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807240043j76fa1631qdf0f727513074fea@mail.gmail.com> Ignore that, the photo is pretty obviously a V engine - DOH!! Peter On 24/07/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 23/07/2008, Chuck Balyeat wrote: >> Anyone have a clue what these things sell for ? > > Wasn't the Liberty a straight-6 only? > > I'm at work now so haven't got access to the library :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 00:42:46 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:42:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curtiss OX and Liberty V's In-Reply-To: <003501c8ecf7$a913e630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <003501c8ecf7$a913e630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <6f6025160807240042n5d29eb1bq2c16f9730df37b27@mail.gmail.com> On 23/07/2008, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Anyone have a clue what these things sell for ? Wasn't the Liberty a straight-6 only? I'm at work now so haven't got access to the library :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 00:41:15 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:41:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curtiss OX and Liberty V's In-Reply-To: <003501c8ecf7$a913e630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <003501c8ecf7$a913e630$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <6f6025160807240041i7dcd256diafa84b9cd6fa9cb1@mail.gmail.com> I'd guess that a running version of either would be in the tens of thousands of dollars, as most were scrapped before WWII. The Smithsonian has one at least, and I think there are others (one of the other) at Pima (AZ) Hiller (CA) and Dayton (OH) OX-5 here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/USAF/Museum41.htm Liberty (High-Altitude version) here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/USAF/Museum44.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/USAF/Museum45.htm Peter On 23/07/2008, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Anyone have a clue what these things sell for ? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 24 04:09:26 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:09:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! References: <017601c8ed46$772cfdb0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: That's a BIG hunk of iron! Not sure if I could get that on my trailer or not! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Best" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! > Looks like a good one for Tommy! > > Lew near Waco, TX > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi all > Here is an engine for the keen collectoe, funny he does not accept > PayPal > either !! > http://cgi.ebay.com/DeLaVergne-150-HP-1913-SIDESHAFT-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W > 0QQitemZ250273978954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250273978954&_trksid=p3286.m > 14.l1308 > > Peter, Oz > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 > 1:31 PM > > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jul 24 04:17:18 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:17:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! References: <017601c8ed46$772cfdb0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <000901c8ed7e$d5dbe780$0200a8c0@KAYE> Sure you can Tommy, think of it as just another challege !!!!! Peter. Oz > That's a BIG hunk of iron! Not sure if I could get that on my trailer or > not! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lew Best" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! > > >> Looks like a good one for Tommy! >> >> Lew near Waco, TX >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Hi all >> Here is an engine for the keen collectoe, funny he does not accept >> PayPal >> either !! >> http://cgi.ebay.com/DeLaVergne-150-HP-1913-SIDESHAFT-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W >> 0QQitemZ250273978954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250273978954&_trksid=p3286.m >> 14.l1308 >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 >> 1:31 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 24 04:57:00 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... In-Reply-To: <4887BCB2.6040005@rustic-engines.com> References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com> <004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> <4887BCB2.6040005@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <3385.12.223.26.26.1216900620.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> paypalsucks.com works fine for me! Bill > Try this one, it hasn't been shut down ... yet. :-) > >> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/paypal.html > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Peter Lowe wrote: >> I can't open it either Reg. >> Pete, Oz >> >> >> >> >>> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; >>> "Old_Engine" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> >>>> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >>>> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 24 04:58:57 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... In-Reply-To: <14406C9C49994BFAA2172E9C6D2B9DE8@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <1216826300.48874bbc4f7ac@webmail.city-net.com><004401c8ed12$139930e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <006401c8ed18$461b4750$0200a8c0@KAYE> <14406C9C49994BFAA2172E9C6D2B9DE8@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <3394.12.223.26.26.1216900737.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> If it was BS, paypal could have them shutdown by their ISP, however, all such sites work fine today, and there's nothing I find that can't be verified so far.......... > Don't worry, it's bullshit. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... > > >>I can't open it either Reg. >> Pete, Oz >> >> >> >>> Seems thats been canned too. Wont open. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; >>> "Old_Engine" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:18 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] Do you HATE PayPal? Read on... >>> >>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> >>>> Here's the ultimate anti-PayPal website. Enjoy... >>>> http://www.paypalsucks.com/ >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: >> 7/23/2008 >> 1:31 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 24 05:29:08 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:29:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! In-Reply-To: <000901c8ed7e$d5dbe780$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <000201c8ed88$df0c0060$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Maybe one piece at a time Peter. That's how John Wilcox hauled the 175 HP Otto (now at Coolspring) home on his one ton truck. He totally dismantled it and brought it back in pieces. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! Sure you can Tommy, think of it as just another challege !!!!! Peter. Oz > That's a BIG hunk of iron! Not sure if I could get that on my trailer or > not! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lew Best" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! > > >> Looks like a good one for Tommy! >> >> Lew near Waco, TX >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Hi all >> Here is an engine for the keen collectoe, funny he does not accept >> PayPal >> either !! >> http://cgi.ebay.com/DeLaVergne-150-HP-1913-SIDESHAFT-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W >> 0QQitemZ250273978954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250273978954&_trksid=p3286.m >> 14.l1308 >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 >> 1:31 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Jul 24 05:44:11 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:44:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01ce01c8ed8a$f9e89c20$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Kinda doubt it :) Wouldn't something like that be fun to have though. Lew -----Original Message----- That's a BIG hunk of iron! Not sure if I could get that on my trailer or not! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 24 05:46:33 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:46:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! References: <017601c8ed46$772cfdb0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <002001c8ed8b$4e262960$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Looks like OB Malloy down there in that hole . They had to jackhammer the concrete rood off of that one . For no other reason than "because it was there " > Looks like a good one for Tommy! > > Lew near Waco, TX > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jul 24 08:44:38 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:44:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! In-Reply-To: <000201c8ed88$df0c0060$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <000201c8ed88$df0c0060$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <1216914278.4888a366cc119@webmail.city-net.com> Hell Tommy, Rick Rolands moved the majority of the Tod Engine using a Ford Ranger that was more rust than metal (you could look down and the road going by beneath your feet) and a "trailer" that was downright scary. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Tommy Turner : > Maybe one piece at a time Peter. That's how John Wilcox hauled the 175 > HP Otto (now at Coolspring) home on his one ton truck. He totally > dismantled it and brought it back in pieces. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jul 24 08:51:36 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:51:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! In-Reply-To: <004001c8ed44$739ce400$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <004001c8ed44$739ce400$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <1216914696.4888a508d29ba@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Pete, Given where this beast is located, I think one of the left coast homeboys should go for it. Rob & Kelley come to mind. After all they are wallowing in Big Oil cash.... 8-)) BTW, wasn't Steve Webre looking to rescue an engine similar to this from a swamp in Louisiana? I wonder what ever became of that project? See ya, Arnie Quoting Peter Lowe : > Here is an engine for the keen collectoe, funny he does not accept PayPal > either !! > http://cgi.ebay.com/DeLaVergne-150-HP-1913-SIDESHAFT-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ250273978954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250273978954&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1308 From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Jul 24 08:55:05 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:55:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A new toy anyone !!!! Message-ID: <20080724.085506.272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tommy. I don't think it would be a problem getting it on the trailer, just a big crane. The problem would be you have to scrap the trailer when it is taken off and put on a suitable trailer. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:09:26 -0400 "Judge Tommy Turner" writes: > That's a BIG hunk of iron! Not sure if I could get that on my > trailer or > not! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY ____________________________________________________________ Click here and choose from thousands of high quality used cars. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oE0bk8iCQCHo5t4I15Tt08tI41tpJYp70ngM0CddKHe09iF/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 09:48:49 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:48:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test Message-ID: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> Saw this on the Beeb today, what struck me more than anything was the way the target ship heaved when the torpedo struck and then fell apart. Sad to see the ship die, but quite a demonstration. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7523147.stm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jul 24 15:43:36 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:43:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, Peter: Why didn't y'all sink one of your own ships! Dang Limeys! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:49 AM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine > Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > > Saw this on the Beeb today, what struck me more > than anything was the > way the target ship heaved when the torpedo > struck and then fell > apart. Sad to see the ship die, but quite a demonstration. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7523147.stm > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jul 24 15:44:59 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:44:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sound of The Homebrew Engine Message-ID: Gang: I've just finished uploading a sound file of the Homebrew Engine in case you'reinterested. Just click on the link below and go to "The Homebrew Engine". Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 20:37:51 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:37:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> On 24/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > Hey, Peter: > > Why didn't y'all sink one of your own ships! Dang Limeys! :-) > > Take care - Elden Probably because we haven't got any left!! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Thu Jul 24 21:23:00 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:23:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> Listerdiesel wrote: > On 24/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >> Hey, Peter: >> >> Why didn't y'all sink one of your own ships! Dang Limeys! :-) >> >> Take care - Elden === I've heard Aussies called many things (rightly or wrongly so), but "Limeys" is a new one for us! JW? === From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 00:05:15 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:05:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> <48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> On 25/07/2008, Jack Watson wrote: > Listerdiesel wrote: >> On 24/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >>> Hey, Peter: >>> >>> Why didn't y'all sink one of your own ships! Dang Limeys! :-) >>> >>> Take care - Elden > === > I've heard Aussies called many things (rightly or wrongly so), but > "Limeys" is a new one for us! > > JW? > === Well, most of you started out from here.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Jul 25 14:30:54 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:30:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> <48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488A460E.4080209@rustic-engines.com> Do most "Poms" *still* live in their "glorious" Empire building days? :-P BTW my ancestors are English, Scottish, Irish and German. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > On 25/07/2008, Jack Watson wrote: > >> Listerdiesel wrote: >> >>> On 24/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >>> >>>> Hey, Peter: >>>> >>>> Why didn't y'all sink one of your own ships! Dang Limeys! :-) >>>> >>>> Take care - Elden >>>> >> === >> I've heard Aussies called many things (rightly or wrongly so), but >> "Limeys" is a new one for us! >> >> JW? >> === >> > > Well, most of you started out from here.... :-)) > > Peter > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Jul 25 14:38:44 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:38:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com><48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter that's how silly the POMS were/are, you sent the bad ones over here and you lot stayed on your little cold block :-)) Kerry >> I've heard Aussies called many things (rightly or wrongly so), but >> "Limeys" is a new one for us! >> >> JW? > Well, most of you started out from here.... :-)) > > Peter From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Jul 25 21:53:01 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:53:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com><48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601c8eedb$7b771770$72654650$@net.au> Is there many POMS left over there? We seem to have a plague of them here :-)) You know the great Australian dream? Ten thousand Arabs swimming out through Sydney Heads with a Pom under each arm :D Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Saturday, 26 July 2008 5:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test Peter that's how silly the POMS were/are, you sent the bad ones over here and you lot stayed on your little cold block :-)) Kerry >> I've heard Aussies called many things (rightly or wrongly so), but >> "Limeys" is a new one for us! >> >> JW? > Well, most of you started out from here.... :-)) > > Peter _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Jul 26 07:43:27 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:43:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <000601c8eedb$7b771770$72654650$@net.au> Message-ID: Whut's a POM? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ray And > Erica Freeman > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:53 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > > Is there many POMS left over there? We seem to > have a plague of them here > :-)) You know the great Australian dream? Ten > thousand Arabs swimming out > through Sydney Heads with a Pom under each arm :D > Ray Freeman From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Jul 26 06:49:00 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:49:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: (was) Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> <48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488B2B4C.5020608@optusnet.com.au> Listerdiesel wrote: >> === >> I've heard Aussies called many things (rightly or wrongly so), but >> "Limeys" is a new one for us! >> >> JW? >> === > > Well, most of you started out from here.... :-)) > > Peter === True, Peter. My ancestors came from Ireland, Scotland, Isle of Man, and one from England. That one did not have to pay his own fare - it was provided for him by Queen Victoria who seemed to think both he and England would benefit from a sea voyage for him. Not sure if they fed him lime juice or not. JW? (who has peculiar marks on his ankles . . .) From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jul 26 06:59:43 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:59:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Warning Tale for Old Engines That Refuse To Start Message-ID: <1217080783.488b2dcf162f0@webmail.city-net.com> http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=7/25/2008&id=43793 Actually, it might be more of a warning to the engine OWNER. If you really must shoot the damn thing (and admit it, we've ALL had that same thought from time to time), make sure that you DON'T use an illegal weapon!! Duh... See ya, Arnie From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jul 26 13:00:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:00:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: References: <000601c8eedb$7b771770$72654650$@net.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160807261300k73dc098w2fdbea3b081d6ae2@mail.gmail.com> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > Whut's a POM? Derogatory name for the natives of the British Isles, mainly used by 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described their relatives back home :-)) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jul 26 13:07:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:07:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: (was) Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <488B2B4C.5020608@optusnet.com.au> References: <6f6025160807240948w5732c967gceea53d0b4e0c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160807242037g275c8183vde5e760967f19eac@mail.gmail.com> <48895524.9010703@optusnet.com.au> <6f6025160807250005i12eed442ge897429a90329090@mail.gmail.com> <488B2B4C.5020608@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160807261307p1f8885c3s3bfe77125a8ced84@mail.gmail.com> On 26/07/2008, Jack Watson wrote: > True, Peter. My ancestors came from Ireland, Scotland, Isle of Man, and > one from England. That one did not have to pay his own fare - it was > provided for him by Queen Victoria who seemed to think both he and > England would benefit from a sea voyage for him. Not sure if they fed > him lime juice or not. > > JW? (who has peculiar marks on his ankles . . .) We had obtained emigration visas at the end of 1980 and were due to leave for Oz in the following spring. I then had a job come up on the Ghandi film shoot in India, followed by a trip to Oz over the 1980/81 Xmas, when I stayed with Rita's brother and his family. We didn't go in the end, what I saw and experienced made me change my mind about the whole thing and we stayed in the UK. Nothing in particular, loved the climate and the people, but it just wasn't what I expected, or more importantly what the glossy brochures told you to expect. Never regretted it, and we've been there again as you know :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Jul 26 15:54:45 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:54:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <6f6025160807261300k73dc098w2fdbea3b081d6ae2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter: Thanks for 'splainin' that to me. Now I ain't such a dumb Kaintuck..............FORMER Kaintuck. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 03:01 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > > On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > > Whut's a POM? > > Derogatory name for the natives of the British > Isles, mainly used by > 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described their > relatives back home > :-)) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Jul 27 06:14:48 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:14:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] FW: OT: Torpedo Test Message-ID: <001101c8efea$bed56160$3c802420$@net.au> Probably not to derogatory Peter. The majority of Poms fit in here real well and are well liked but they are still fair game for the Aussie sense of humour. Perth is full of "John the Pom's, Pommie Steve etc,the nick names proof that they are well regarded. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Sunday, 27 July 2008 4:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > Whut's a POM? Derogatory name for the natives of the British Isles, mainly used by 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described their relatives back home :-)) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 27 15:09:31 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:09:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test References: <000601c8eedb$7b771770$72654650$@net.au> <6f6025160807261300k73dc098w2fdbea3b081d6ae2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <330263F99C7F41CC91817313EAF7A7E4@YOURDA6F5028CB> All right. What does POM mean. We now know what Poms are, what does pom stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have "piece of crap", but crap doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >> Whut's a POM? > > Derogatory name for the natives of the British Isles, mainly used by > 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described their relatives back home > :-)) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 > 4:27 PM > > > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 27 15:15:57 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:15:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test Message-ID: <04369A0DAD994BAEA496E7153DA2C878@YOURDA6F5028CB> This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would personally pick " person of mystery" myself but you guys may have some little resentment hidden inside. Or not. Who knows. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Cleveland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what Poms are, what does pom > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have "piece of crap", but crap > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? > Skip > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > >> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >>> Whut's a POM? >> >> Derogatory name for the natives of the British Isles, mainly used by >> 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described their relatives back home >> :-)) >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 >> 4:27 PM >> >> >> > From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Jul 27 16:32:50 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:32:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <04369A0DAD994BAEA496E7153DA2C878@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: Geez, guys! I ask a simple question and what do I get? A pageant! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Skip > Cleveland > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 05:16 PM > To: Skip Cleveland; The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > > This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would > personally pick " person of > mystery" myself but you guys may have some little > resentment hidden inside. > Or not. Who knows. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Cleveland" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > > > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what > Poms are, what does pom > > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have > "piece of crap", but crap > > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? > > Skip > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Listerdiesel" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > > > > >> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > >>> Whut's a POM? > >> > >> Derogatory name for the natives of the British > Isles, mainly used by > >> 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described > their relatives back home > >> :-)) > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 >> 4:27 PM >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 15:40:48 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test In-Reply-To: <04369A0DAD994BAEA496E7153DA2C878@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <697524.14345.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One explaination I ran across is, Prisoner Of (his or her) Majesty --- On Sun, 7/27/08, Skip Cleveland wrote: From: Skip Cleveland Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test To: "Skip Cleveland" , "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 6:15 PM This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would personally pick " person of mystery" myself but you guys may have some little resentment hidden inside. Or not. Who knows. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Cleveland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what Poms are, what do es pom > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have "pi ece of crap", but crap > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Man ure? > Skip From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jul 27 16:03:43 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:03:43 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test References: Message-ID: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> Lets end this bullshit .....POME can mean either Prisoner of Mother England or it was a description of the ruddy [ pink] complexion of recent arrivals in Australia from England.They had a complexion that resembled a Pomegranite [fruit] . Let me state here and now, four generations ago my ancestor was a POME ...prisoner of Mother England. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > Geez, guys! > > I ask a simple question and what do I get? A pageant! :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Skip >> Cleveland >> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 05:16 PM >> To: Skip Cleveland; The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >> >> >> This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would >> personally pick " person of >> mystery" myself but you guys may have some little >> resentment hidden inside. >> Or not. Who knows. >> Skip >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Skip Cleveland" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >> >> >> > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what >> Poms are, what does pom >> > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have >> "piece of crap", but crap >> > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? >> > Skip >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Listerdiesel" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >> > >> > >> >> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >> >>> Whut's a POM? >> >> >> >> Derogatory name for the natives of the British >> Isles, mainly used by >> >> 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described >> their relatives back home >> >> :-)) >> >> >> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >>> >>> Peter >>> -- >>> Peter A Forbes >>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: >>> 7/25/2008 >>> 4:27 PM >>> >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 27 16:21:32 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:21:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test References: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: So I thought. Derogatory bullshit. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > Lets end this bullshit .....POME can mean either Prisoner of Mother > England or it was a description of the ruddy [ pink] complexion of recent > arrivals in Australia from England.They had a complexion that resembled a > Pomegranite [fruit] . > Let me state here and now, four generations ago my ancestor was a POME > ...prisoner of Mother England. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:32 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > >> Geez, guys! >> >> I ask a simple question and what do I get? A pageant! :-) >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>> Behalf Of Skip >>> Cleveland >>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 05:16 PM >>> To: Skip Cleveland; The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>> >>> >>> This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would >>> personally pick " person of >>> mystery" myself but you guys may have some little >>> resentment hidden inside. >>> Or not. Who knows. >>> Skip >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Skip Cleveland" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>> >>> >>> > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what >>> Poms are, what does pom >>> > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have >>> "piece of crap", but crap >>> > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? >>> > Skip >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Listerdiesel" >>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> >>> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>> > >>> > >>> >> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >>> >>> Whut's a POM? >>> >> >>> >> Derogatory name for the natives of the British >>> Isles, mainly used by >>> >> 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described >>> their relatives back home >>> >> :-)) >>> >> >>> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> -- >>>> Peter A Forbes >>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: >>>> 7/25/2008 >>>> 4:27 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 > 4:18 PM > > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jul 27 19:16:21 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:16:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test References: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <052EDBCBFB574FF6BEE075473CE83A7D@your9e74d7efa7> Skip....I have many Pommy friends ,all of whom I have called you ''Old Pommy Bastard''.Any Englishman who has resided in Australia knows full well that in just about all cases this is a term of endearment and is not meant a to be derogatory.....please dont ask me to repeat what we call them when we want to be derogatory! Seriously ...we like our Englishmen and it is a great thing when we defeat them on the sporting field, pity the Yanks[term of endearment] dont play Rugby or Cricket and we could dish out the same treatment! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Cleveland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > So I thought. Derogatory bullshit. > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > >> Lets end this bullshit .....POME can mean either Prisoner of Mother >> England or it was a description of the ruddy [ pink] complexion of recent >> arrivals in Australia from England.They had a complexion that resembled a >> Pomegranite [fruit] . >> Let me state here and now, four generations ago my ancestor was a POME >> ...prisoner of Mother England. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Elden DuRand" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >> >> >>> Geez, guys! >>> >>> I ask a simple question and what do I get? A pageant! :-) >>> >>> Take care - Elden >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>> Behalf Of Skip >>>> Cleveland >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 05:16 PM >>>> To: Skip Cleveland; The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>>> >>>> >>>> This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would >>>> personally pick " person of >>>> mystery" myself but you guys may have some little >>>> resentment hidden inside. >>>> Or not. Who knows. >>>> Skip >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Skip Cleveland" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>>> >>>> >>>> > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what >>>> Poms are, what does pom >>>> > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have >>>> "piece of crap", but crap >>>> > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? >>>> > Skip >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Listerdiesel" >>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> >>>> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >>>> >>> Whut's a POM? >>>> >> >>>> >> Derogatory name for the natives of the British >>>> Isles, mainly used by >>>> >> 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described >>>> their relatives back home >>>> >> :-)) >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter A Forbes >>>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: >>>>> 7/25/2008 >>>>> 4:27 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 >> 4:18 PM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 27 19:48:47 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:48:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test References: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> <052EDBCBFB574FF6BEE075473CE83A7D@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <59944BF0DB054474A023F1C855614BEB@YOURDA6F5028CB> I don't think that any self respecting yank would play cricket but, we do have rugby teams here and I believe that they eat their young. Over here, people with British accents and ozzies as well are used to sell cars, brooms, insurance and hair (haaa) products. It add an air of sophistication unless they are plugging Jaguars then they sound like queers (term of endearment). Jig-uwer. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > Skip....I have many Pommy friends ,all of whom I have called you ''Old > Pommy > Bastard''.Any Englishman who has resided in Australia knows full well that > in just about all cases this is a term of endearment and is not meant a to > be derogatory.....please dont ask me to repeat what we call them when we > want to be derogatory! > Seriously ...we like our Englishmen and it is a great thing when we defeat > them on the sporting field, pity the Yanks[term of endearment] dont play > Rugby or Cricket and we could dish out the same treatment! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Cleveland" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > > >> So I thought. Derogatory bullshit. >> Skip >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter ogborne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >> >> >>> Lets end this bullshit .....POME can mean either Prisoner of Mother >>> England or it was a description of the ruddy [ pink] complexion of >>> recent >>> arrivals in Australia from England.They had a complexion that resembled >>> a >>> Pomegranite [fruit] . >>> Let me state here and now, four generations ago my ancestor was a POME >>> ...prisoner of Mother England. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Elden DuRand" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:32 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>> >>> >>>> Geez, guys! >>>> >>>> I ask a simple question and what do I get? A pageant! :-) >>>> >>>> Take care - Elden >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>>> Behalf Of Skip >>>>> Cleveland >>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 05:16 PM >>>>> To: Skip Cleveland; The SEL email discussion list >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is assuming that Pom is deratory. I would >>>>> personally pick " person of >>>>> mystery" myself but you guys may have some little >>>>> resentment hidden inside. >>>>> Or not. Who knows. >>>>> Skip >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Skip Cleveland" >>>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:09 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > All right. What does POM mean. We now know what >>>>> Poms are, what does pom >>>>> > stand for, "person of mystery"? Here, we have >>>>> "piece of crap", but crap >>>>> > doesn't start with "m". Shit? Manure? >>>>> > Skip >>>>> > >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > From: "Listerdiesel" >>>>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>>> >>>>> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:00 PM >>>>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >> On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: >>>>> >>> Whut's a POM? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Derogatory name for the natives of the British >>>>> Isles, mainly used by >>>>> >> 'Exported Poms' in Australia to described >>>>> their relatives back home >>>>> >> :-)) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Peter A Forbes >>>>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: >>>>>> 7/25/2008 >>>>>> 4:27 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: >>> 7/26/2008 >>> 4:18 PM >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1576 - Release Date: 7/27/2008 > 4:16 PM > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Jul 27 20:18:58 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:18:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com> Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the pages of the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. Item # 220261157286 Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jul 27 20:52:45 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:52:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000701c8f065$64e76ab0$0200a8c0@KAYE> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. > Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the pages > of > the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. Item # > 220261157286 > > Mark > > > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > Bluffton, Ohio > Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > Home #419.358.5206 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jul 27 20:55:33 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:55:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> That's cool, he has made mention of the Maytag collector's web site. Nothing illegal as far as I can see. I also do that for Ebay adverts. Peter, Oz > Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the pages > of > the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. Item # > 220261157286 > > Mark > > > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > Bluffton, Ohio > Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > Home #419.358.5206 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Jul 28 02:52:18 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:52:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. In-Reply-To: <000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com> <000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <488D96D2.8070900@steamengine.com.au> I cannot say how it may apply in the USA but if someone in Australia did that from an Australian website it most certainly would be illegal. I'd be surprised if USA Copyright was much different. This kind of issue is simply avoided by asking the copyright holder for permission - could you imagine it being refused, especially since it comes with a little free advertising? Mind you, if this seller was dodgy then someone might seek compensation from the website. Regards Paul Peter Lowe wrote: > That's cool, he has made mention of the Maytag collector's web site. Nothing > illegal as far as I can see. > I also do that for Ebay adverts. > > Peter, Oz > > > > > >> Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the pages >> of >> the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. Item # >> 220261157286 >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> Mark & Christine Shulaw >> Bluffton, Ohio >> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> Home #419.358.5206 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 28/07/2008 6:55 AM > > > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jul 28 03:57:04 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:57:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com><000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> <488D96D2.8070900@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002201c8f0a0$ad4c6e00$0200a8c0@KAYE> The internet is a free domain and the old adage of "if you don't want it pinched, don't put it there", goes as far as I am concerned. He was not selling the article, only using the information to enhance the sale. He also had acknowledged the Maytag Owners Club. When selling computer and electrical spares I pull from the manufacturers web site every time, it is advertising their product. I know we had this discussion before when others where using our web site photos to make a profit on Ebay, yes chase the bastards then. Peter Forbes went to the trouble of encrypting his photos. If writing an article else where, you acknowledge in your Bibliography if information was obtained from other sources. However, with the growing use of electronic sources, this is now called a Works Cited page (because biblios means book, so it is inaccurate to call it a bibliography if you used more than books). The last paragraph was pinched from a "Yahoo Answers" page ;-))) Peter, Oz >I cannot say how it may apply in the USA but if someone in Australia did > that from an Australian website it most certainly would be illegal. I'd > be surprised if USA Copyright was much different. > > This kind of issue is simply avoided by asking the copyright holder for > permission - could you imagine it being refused, especially since it > comes with a little free advertising? Mind you, if this seller was dodgy > then someone might seek compensation from the website. > > Regards > Paul > > Peter Lowe wrote: >> That's cool, he has made mention of the Maytag collector's web site. >> Nothing >> illegal as far as I can see. >> I also do that for Ebay adverts. >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> >> >>> Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the pages >>> of >>> the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. Item >>> # >>> 220261157286 >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark & Christine Shulaw >>> Bluffton, Ohio >>> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >>> Home #419.358.5206 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: >> 28/07/2008 6:55 AM >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Jul 28 04:05:55 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:05:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please Message-ID: <58E07A2B167E44BD8B1545F9C7D26B08@Young0208> Hi all, I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact with Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I have now bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . Any help appreciated Mike Young 5 Beech Cr Orange NSW Australia From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jul 28 04:14:50 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:14:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please References: <58E07A2B167E44BD8B1545F9C7D26B08@Young0208> Message-ID: <003601c8f0a3$27720b20$0200a8c0@KAYE> That's the address I have too. Peter, Oz > Hi all, > > I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact with > Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I have now > bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . > > Any help appreciated > > > Mike Young > 5 Beech Cr > Orange NSW Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Jul 28 04:26:25 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:26:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please References: <58E07A2B167E44BD8B1545F9C7D26B08@Young0208> Message-ID: <002a01c8f0a4$c5b9cc90$68c6eddc@Edd> Hi Mike.I was talking to Jennifer brookover today and she said that Don Millers e address is down and has been for some time. His address is DON MILLER 5008 LEES SUMMIT Rd KANSAS CITY MO 64136. Phone is (816)506 7920.Hope this helps. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > Hi all, > > I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact with > Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I have now > bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . > > Any help appreciated > > > Mike Young > 5 Beech Cr > Orange NSW Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Jul 28 04:55:35 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:55:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please In-Reply-To: <002a01c8f0a4$c5b9cc90$68c6eddc@Edd> References: <58E07A2B167E44BD8B1545F9C7D26B08@Young0208> <002a01c8f0a4$c5b9cc90$68c6eddc@Edd> Message-ID: <0DD8F6C9A9E64754BCD3B5FC5428A81C@Young0208> Thanks Edd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > Hi Mike.I was talking to Jennifer brookover today and she said that Don > Millers e address is down and has been for some time. > His address is DON MILLER 5008 LEES SUMMIT Rd KANSAS CITY MO 64136. Phone > is (816)506 7920.Hope this helps. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Young" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:05 PM > Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact with >> Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I have >> now >> bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . >> >> Any help appreciated >> >> >> Mike Young >> 5 Beech Cr >> Orange NSW Australia >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Jul 28 05:06:32 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:06:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. In-Reply-To: <002201c8f0a0$ad4c6e00$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com><000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> <488D96D2.8070900@steamengine.com.au> <002201c8f0a0$ad4c6e00$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <488DB648.2030204@steamengine.com.au> The law does not agree with you. Break it if you like, I wouldn't bother chasing you for the uses you've described but others are not as nice as me! This site offers a fairly reasoned view. http://www.copyright.org.au/ Regards Paul Peter Lowe wrote: > The internet is a free domain and the old adage of "if you don't want it > pinched, don't put it there", goes as far as I am concerned. He was not > selling the article, only using the information to enhance the sale. He also > had acknowledged the Maytag Owners Club. When selling computer and > electrical spares I pull from the manufacturers web site every time, it is > advertising their product. > I know we had this discussion before when others where using our web site > photos to make a profit on Ebay, yes chase the bastards then. Peter Forbes > went to the trouble of encrypting his photos. > > If writing an article else where, you acknowledge in your Bibliography if > information was obtained from other sources. > However, with the growing use of electronic sources, this is now called a > Works Cited page (because biblios means book, so it is inaccurate to call it > a bibliography if you used more than books). > The last paragraph was pinched from a "Yahoo Answers" page ;-))) > > Peter, Oz > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 28 06:05:05 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:05:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please In-Reply-To: <0DD8F6C9A9E64754BCD3B5FC5428A81C@Young0208> Message-ID: <006801c8f0b2$8e38a120$0202fea9@tommyd0x52gkco> Michael, What type Olds are you working on? Is it a Gearless? Ted borrowed the ignitor out of mine several years ago to measure and copy. I think the Gearless ignitor photo on Ted's ignitor page was my old ignitor. If you need help, measurements, etc, I'll do what I can. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Young Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please Thanks Edd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > Hi Mike.I was talking to Jennifer brookover today and she said that Don > Millers e address is down and has been for some time. > His address is DON MILLER 5008 LEES SUMMIT Rd KANSAS CITY MO 64136. Phone > is (816)506 7920.Hope this helps. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Young" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:05 PM > Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact with >> Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I have >> now >> bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . >> >> Any help appreciated >> >> >> Mike Young >> 5 Beech Cr >> Orange NSW Australia >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 28 08:04:49 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. In-Reply-To: <488D96D2.8070900@steamengine.com.au> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com> <000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> <488D96D2.8070900@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <6279.12.223.26.26.1217257489.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> It is illegal here....... they need permission. As a business owner we ran into that situation and were able to have them cease/remove their content. I also successfully fought another site that used photos from my site without permission. Bill > I cannot say how it may apply in the USA but if someone in Australia did > that from an Australian website it most certainly would be illegal. I'd > be surprised if USA Copyright was much different. > > This kind of issue is simply avoided by asking the copyright holder for > permission - could you imagine it being refused, especially since it > comes with a little free advertising? Mind you, if this seller was dodgy > then someone might seek compensation from the website. > > Regards > Paul > > Peter Lowe wrote: >> That's cool, he has made mention of the Maytag collector's web site. >> Nothing >> illegal as far as I can see. >> I also do that for Ebay adverts. >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> >> >>> Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the >>> pages >>> of >>> the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. >>> Item # >>> 220261157286 >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark & Christine Shulaw >>> Bluffton, Ohio >>> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >>> Home #419.358.5206 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: >> 28/07/2008 6:55 AM >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 28 08:06:11 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. In-Reply-To: <002201c8f0a0$ad4c6e00$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com><000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> <488D96D2.8070900@steamengine.com.au> <002201c8f0a0$ad4c6e00$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <6285.12.223.26.26.1217257571.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Legally it's not free domain. Any company has the right to tell you to stop if they so desire. It's not a matter of how you personally view it, it's the law here. > The internet is a free domain and the old adage of "if you don't want it > pinched, don't put it there", goes as far as I am concerned. He was not > selling the article, only using the information to enhance the sale. He > also > had acknowledged the Maytag Owners Club. When selling computer and > electrical spares I pull from the manufacturers web site every time, it is > advertising their product. > I know we had this discussion before when others where using our web site > photos to make a profit on Ebay, yes chase the bastards then. Peter Forbes > went to the trouble of encrypting his photos. > > If writing an article else where, you acknowledge in your Bibliography if > information was obtained from other sources. > However, with the growing use of electronic sources, this is now called a > Works Cited page (because biblios means book, so it is inaccurate to call > it > a bibliography if you used more than books). > The last paragraph was pinched from a "Yahoo Answers" page ;-))) > > Peter, Oz > > > > > >>I cannot say how it may apply in the USA but if someone in Australia did >> that from an Australian website it most certainly would be illegal. I'd >> be surprised if USA Copyright was much different. >> >> This kind of issue is simply avoided by asking the copyright holder for >> permission - could you imagine it being refused, especially since it >> comes with a little free advertising? Mind you, if this seller was dodgy >> then someone might seek compensation from the website. >> >> Regards >> Paul >> >> Peter Lowe wrote: >>> That's cool, he has made mention of the Maytag collector's web site. >>> Nothing >>> illegal as far as I can see. >>> I also do that for Ebay adverts. >>> >>> Peter, Oz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the >>>> pages >>>> of >>>> the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. >>>> Item >>>> # >>>> 220261157286 >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark & Christine Shulaw >>>> Bluffton, Ohio >>>> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >>>> Home #419.358.5206 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: >>> 28/07/2008 6:55 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 28 09:47:48 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:47:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test (Yank Rugby) In-Reply-To: <052EDBCBFB574FF6BEE075473CE83A7D@your9e74d7efa7> References: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> <052EDBCBFB574FF6BEE075473CE83A7D@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <1217263668.488df834b9024@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Peter, Hey now, Yanks do play rugby. We're just playing at a different level. For now... Which is why you lot are able to win. For now... 8-)) http://www.pittsburghharlequins.org/ See ya, Arnie Quoting peter ogborne : > Seriously ...we like our Englishmen and it is a great thing when we defeat > them on the sporting field, pity the Yanks[term of endearment] dont play > Rugby or Cricket and we could dish out the same treatment! From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jul 28 10:04:27 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:04:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 52, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080728181433.00c21ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 27/07/2008, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:00:31 +0100 >From: Listerdiesel >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test > >On 26/07/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > > Whut's a POM? > >Derogatory name for the natives of the British Isles, mainly used by >'Exported Poms' in Australia to described their relatives back home >:-)) > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British >Peter A Forbes Hi Peter and all "Natives of the British Isles" also "the USA" and "Australia". Interesting that it should be listed as "derogatory" - that must be quite an antiquated description. We've always called "Natives of the British Isles" by that name (Poms or Pommies) - and have never regarded it as derogatory (We've got a lot of other names for you guys if we want to be derogatory ). I've often addressed a question to the lists as "one for the Pommies" or sometimes as "one for the Brits", I've never considered this to be derogatory and, in hindsight, hope that none of you guys has. As far as I'm concerned it is just "slang" (or a term of endearment if you like). The same way as I would say "One for the Aussies" or refer to Americans as "Yanks" (although I know that this name dates to the American civil war and maybe not all Americans like being called "Yanks" but that's another story). I never use any of the above "nicknames" in a derogatory manner. As mentioned, we have other descriptions (as I'm sure you all have for us), if we want to be derogatory. Of interest is that the "Wikipedia" page that you referred us to also lists "Rooinek" as one of the terms used to describe Brits. This is true - it comes from our other (white mans) official language and directly translated means "Red Neck" (this has nothing to do with the American "redneck"). As mentioned in "Wikepadia" this relates to sunburn and how the Englishman would get a sunburnt neck under the African sun. Our family is of British origin (going back to pre 1820) and my Fathers nickname amongst the local black (Xhosa) populace was "Tam Bomvu" - ("Tam" = neck and "Bomvu" = Red.) We considered this to be an honour as my father farmed in an area which had mainly Afrikaans (South Africans of Dutch descent) farmers and was well regarded as being an honest man (or "man of his word") which could not have been said for many of his neighbours. Anyway, enough history. If I ever again address a message to the lists as "one for the Poms" or "one for the Yanks" then please do not be offended - no ill is intended, just as if I said "one for the Aussies". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 28 11:12:07 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:12:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Torpedo Test (Last Word on Pom?) In-Reply-To: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> References: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <1217268727.488e0bf7e91b3@webmail.city-net.com> Play nice ladies. The etymology on "pom" is far from clear cut. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British#Pommy See ya, Arnie Quoting peter ogborne : > Lets end this bullshit .....POME can mean either Prisoner of Mother > England or it was a description of the ruddy [ pink] complexion of recent > arrivals in Australia from England.They had a complexion that resembled a > Pomegranite [fruit] . > Let me state here and now, four generations ago my ancestor was a POME > ...prisoner of Mother England. From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jul 28 12:53:29 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:53:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebay plagiarised listing description. In-Reply-To: <000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080727231143.02f491e0@pop3.wcoil.com> <000b01c8f065$c8efeff0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080728155106.03116a40@pop3.wcoil.com> Yah he did credit the club, I did not see that at first. I missed that part at the very end crediting the club web site for that. I guess I was more suprised at first to see the text I had a hand at writing in someones ebay listing even if they do not really apply to what he has for sale. Mark At 11:55 PM 7/27/08, you wrote: >That's cool, he has made mention of the Maytag collector's web site. Nothing >illegal as far as I can see. >I also do that for Ebay adverts. > >Peter, Oz > > > Check out the fellow that copied his description DIRECTLY From the pages > > of > > the Maytag Collectors Club web site. Didn't change a single letter. Item # > > 220261157286 > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > Bluffton, Ohio > > Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Home #419.358.5206 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From old_iron at msn.com Mon Jul 28 12:56:15 2008 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:56:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping In-Reply-To: <1217268727.488e0bf7e91b3@webmail.city-net.com> References: <5BB61B51645B41CDA11778E0AC6FEAAF@your9e74d7efa7> <1217268727.488e0bf7e91b3@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Since I now work 2 jobs so Bill can have health insurance, I have not been on the list much. Just was wondering if anyone is going to do the usual camping area grab? If so we will arrive on Tuesday with our 29' trailer with the pull out sides. Looking forward to seeing you all, for possibily the last time. XOXOX Peg Pfeiffer> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jul 28 14:38:34 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:38:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <000c01c8f0fa$4a141720$1bb76d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guys, Does anyone know if there is somebody reproducing mufflers for Gilson Johnny on the spot and if so who and do they attend Portland. Thanks in advance, Craig in Scotland From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Jul 28 14:43:08 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:43:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Coil continued Message-ID: <20080728.144309.624.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. A couple of weeks ago I asked about material for the core of a low tension coil. Armed with the good information on the list, I just completed this: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds02/photo#5228182300354054 258 It draws 2 amps on 6V and gives off a nice fat spark. Now to put a finish on it. Thanks for the lists' help. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click for free quote on refinancing your mortgage. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3eRJrkus9w7BNnTOhMc4ygchXOyKTc5uqnEmoBDFaVjgFn/ From George_Best at adp.com Mon Jul 28 14:53:09 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:53:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Coil continued In-Reply-To: <20080728.144309.624.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080728.144309.624.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105907B44AE4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Ron, So what did you use for the core and windings? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:43 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Coil continued Hi all. A couple of weeks ago I asked about material for the core of a low tension coil. Armed with the good information on the list, I just completed this: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/OddsNEnds02/photo#522818230035405 4 258 It draws 2 amps on 6V and gives off a nice fat spark. Now to put a finish on it. Thanks for the lists' help. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click for free quote on refinancing your mortgage. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3eRJrkus9w7BNnTOhMc4 ygchXOyKTc5uqnEmoBDFaVjgFn/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 28 15:22:46 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:22:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gilson Johnny on the Spot Mufflers In-Reply-To: <000c01c8f0fa$4a141720$1bb76d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <000c01c8f0fa$4a141720$1bb76d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <1217283766.488e46b62fd06@webmail.city-net.com> Craig, If anyone knows, I'd say it would be Bob Bolthaus (sp?). I don't seem to have his email addy. Maytag Mark would have Bob's email for sure. Arnie Quoting craig morrison : > Does anyone know if there is somebody reproducing mufflers for Gilson > Johnny on the spot and if so who and do they attend Portland. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 28 15:36:04 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:36:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Found Looking for Something Else Message-ID: <1217284564.488e49d42f2e0@webmail.city-net.com> Well, I'm sure that's happened to all of us. But THIS is really neat! The Tallini Tales of Destruction http://www.logwell.com/tales/menu/index.html Here's a bit from the intro.... Enjoy!! See ya, Arnie Life is too short to compile a complete history of nitroglycerin in the oil fields. But the Tales of Destruction series represents a sincere effort to publish a chronological account of the use of nitroglycerin in the petroleum industry. These stories are based upon previously published material, company records, personal observations, and interviews and conversations with past employees and other oil well shooters. The purpose is to save these tales from oblivion, and to give readers a glimpse of one of world's deadliest industries. Never before has there been an effort to assemble such a comprehensive and voluminous collection of tales of destruction. In Northwestern Pennsylvania there flows a stream called Oil Creek. Along the banks of Oil Creek have been written some of the most thrilling and romantic chapters in oil field history. It was near this stream, on August 27, 1859, that Col. Edwin L. Drake completed the first well drilled specifically for oil. And it was there, on January 21, 1865, that Col. E.A.L. Roberts made the first successful oil well shot on the Ladies Well, using 8 pounds of black powder (nitroglycerin was first used 2 years later), ushering in the era of "Oil Well Shooting", and in no small measure saving the Pennsylvania oil industry. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Jul 28 16:53:46 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:53:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Coil continued Message-ID: <20080728.165346.624.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi George. I used .060 tie wire, cut 5' long and made a bundle to fit tightly in a 1" hole in the ends. And for the windings I used 18 ga. magnet wire. It took 20 layers to get the OD. I wanted. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:53:09 -0500 "Best, George" writes: > Ron, > > So what did you use for the core and windings? > > George ____________________________________________________________ Reduce your expense. Click here to compare prices on point of sales sytems. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l5GmdGxOTgzCaTwEHIGS1fsp312wEwWcs7UmxV8X2J77Sz7/ From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jul 28 21:03:45 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:03:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gilson Johnny on the Spot Mufflers In-Reply-To: <1217283766.488e46b62fd06@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000c01c8f0fa$4a141720$1bb76d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <1217283766.488e46b62fd06@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080729000142.02fcee20@pop3.wcoil.com> Bob Bolhuis Email him quick tonight or Bob will be at Findlay tomorrow thru Sunday. You can try calling his US cell phone this week at 419.705.1777 TTYL, Mark At 06:22 PM 7/28/08, you wrote: >Craig, > >If anyone knows, I'd say it would be Bob Bolthaus (sp?). I don't seem to have >his email addy. Maytag Mark would have Bob's email for sure. > >Arnie > >Quoting craig morrison : > > > Does anyone know if there is somebody reproducing mufflers for Gilson > > Johnny on the spot and if so who and do they attend Portland. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Tue Jul 29 02:00:04 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:00:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please In-Reply-To: <006801c8f0b2$8e38a120$0202fea9@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <006801c8f0b2$8e38a120$0202fea9@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <6A75763D931946CFB7FD01663BF0B750@Young0208> Hi Tommy, it is a gearless and could be a 12hp as it has a 7" bore like the Olds at Coolsprings, but not 100% sure as the tag is missing. It has 48" flywheels. I have got a lot of measurements off the Coolsprings engine from an Olds collector who I have forgotten the name of. He has lots of Olds and I'm sure I'll remember his name the second I press the send button. I rang Don a year or more ago and asking him to make up an ignitor for the engine for a 3" bolt spacing, so maybe when it is made it will be copy of your ignitor! I am making most of the missing parts myself but the ignitor seemed important enough to get an expert to do. Getting the bloody engine apart has been the hardset job - the flywheels have to come off to get the crank ground. When I got the keys out I thought the battle was won, but they are still putting up a fight. Anyway thanks for the offer of help, I'll keep you posted. If I break the flywheels getting them off you'll hear me scream from 12,000 mile away! Mike Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > Michael, > What type Olds are you working on? Is it a Gearless? Ted > borrowed the ignitor out of mine several years ago to measure and copy. > I think the Gearless ignitor photo on Ted's ignitor page was my old > ignitor. If you need help, measurements, etc, I'll do what I can. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Young > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:56 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > > Thanks Edd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edd Payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > > >> Hi Mike.I was talking to Jennifer brookover today and she said that > Don >> Millers e address is down and has been for some time. >> His address is DON MILLER 5008 LEES SUMMIT Rd KANSAS CITY MO 64136. > Phone >> is (816)506 7920.Hope this helps. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Young" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:05 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact > with >>> Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I > have >>> now >>> bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . >>> >>> Any help appreciated >>> >>> >>> Mike Young >>> 5 Beech Cr >>> Orange NSW Australia >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Jul 29 03:52:12 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:52:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please References: <006801c8f0b2$8e38a120$0202fea9@tommyd0x52gkco> <6A75763D931946CFB7FD01663BF0B750@Young0208> Message-ID: Mike, The challenging ones are the most fun! I've got a 6 and an 8 HP Gearless. A Gearless Olds is one sweet running engine. Let me know if I can help. Tommy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > Hi Tommy, > > it is a gearless and could be a 12hp as it has a 7" bore like the Olds at > Coolsprings, but not 100% sure as the tag is missing. It has 48" > flywheels. > I have got a lot of measurements off the Coolsprings engine from an Olds > collector who I have forgotten the name of. He has lots of Olds and I'm > sure I'll remember his name the second I press the send button. I rang > Don > a year or more ago and asking him to make up an ignitor for the engine for > a > 3" bolt spacing, so maybe when it is made it will be copy of your ignitor! > I am making most of the missing parts myself but the ignitor seemed > important enough to get an expert to do. Getting the bloody engine apart > has been the hardset job - the flywheels have to come off to get the crank > ground. When I got the keys out I thought the battle was won, but they are > still putting up a fight. > > Anyway thanks for the offer of help, I'll keep you posted. If I break the > flywheels getting them off you'll hear me scream from 12,000 mile away! > > Mike Young > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tommy Turner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please > > >> Michael, >> What type Olds are you working on? Is it a Gearless? Ted >> borrowed the ignitor out of mine several years ago to measure and copy. >> I think the Gearless ignitor photo on Ted's ignitor page was my old >> ignitor. If you need help, measurements, etc, I'll do what I can. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY USA >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael >> Young >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:56 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please >> >> Thanks Edd >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Edd Payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please >> >> >>> Hi Mike.I was talking to Jennifer brookover today and she said that >> Don >>> Millers e address is down and has been for some time. >>> His address is DON MILLER 5008 LEES SUMMIT Rd KANSAS CITY MO 64136. >> Phone >>> is (816)506 7920.Hope this helps. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Michael Young" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:05 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please >>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'm chasing down an ignitor order for my Olds and have lost contact >> with >>>> Don Miller. Does anyone have his email address please. The one I >> have >>>> now >>>> bounces - bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . >>>> >>>> Any help appreciated >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike Young >>>> 5 Beech Cr >>>> Orange NSW Australia >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1578 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 > 5:13 PM > > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jul 29 04:28:55 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:28:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine for sale Message-ID: <001d01c8f16e$497d1590$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all There is an R&V engine for sale on my web site: http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/for%20sale.htm Bottom advert click on link for photos, any questions let me or Alec know. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From gastzt at aol.com Tue Jul 29 04:34:42 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:34:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please Message-ID: Hi Mike-- Gosh that sounds like a great engine! I just got thru re-doing an old Stover with a 7" bore! (8hp)!! It was a doozer to get all freed-up-- but the rings and piston and all, was in great shape (thank goodness)--! It came from an old oil-rig out in West Texas area! Almost finished with it---got so dang hot here I decided to finish it this Oct--Nov or so! Will have some pics soon! I think it will do GREAT! Take care now-- Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx-- USA **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From gastzt at aol.com Tue Jul 29 04:46:21 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:46:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Don Miller - email addy please Message-ID: Also-- just cannot wait to make an Australia trip to go to a engine show! It all looks GREAT! Stan Zettner Texas---USA **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From fanmanj4 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 12:41:38 2008 From: fanmanj4 at yahoo.com (Jay Bernard) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Test Post Message-ID: <599965.63675.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I just wanna make sure?I'm receiving list msgs From oldiron62 at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 13:07:02 2008 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:07:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Post References: <599965.63675.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008701c8f1b6$b4897bb0$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> 3:06 PM Western KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Bernard" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: [SEL] Test Post I just wanna make sure I'm receiving list msgs _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jul 29 14:34:25 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:34:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Post In-Reply-To: <599965.63675.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At least you're able to transmit. Receiving.......I dunno. :0( Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jay Bernard > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 02:42 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Test Post > > > I just wanna make sure?I'm receiving list msgs From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 29 13:49:21 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Test Post In-Reply-To: <599965.63675.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <599965.63675.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1648.12.223.26.26.1217364561.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> You aren't, try again......... > I just wanna make sure I'm receiving list msgs > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fanmanj4 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 14:09:42 2008 From: fanmanj4 at yahoo.com (Jay Bernard) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. Message-ID: <759272.68234.qm@web55910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ok, now that i know It's working, I was a member here several years back. A few of my friends were too, dont know if they're still on the list, Dick Gibbens, JB Castagnos, I'm from?Thibodaux, Louisiana, at the present time, I own one truly antique engine, my 1921 Stover KA 11/2hp.?I am also a volunteer Mechanic (when i have the time, lol) at The Laurel Valley Village museum, which has a pretty decent collection of tractors and engines. I'm currently trying to revive a 1929 (i believe) John Deere Model GP there. Well, that's a short introuduction of myself. From gastzt at aol.com Tue Jul 29 14:21:19 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:21:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. Message-ID: WOW--that IS a great little engine! I just finished (almost) a 8 hp Stover--- cannot find another on the internet--- wish I could! Can't wait to get it CRANKED up! ha take care all-- say hi to all of Louisiana! FUN place! Stan Zettner, Pleasanton, Texas **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jul 29 15:20:29 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:20:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Earth quake is CA Message-ID: <001601c8f1c9$4ef2bab0$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all I hope all engines are rugged up tight and everyone is OK in southern California after the quake yesterday. Peter, Oz From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jul 29 16:36:15 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:36:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Unique spark coil on R&V engine Message-ID: <004201c8f1d3$e5080280$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi all This engine is for sale, but have a look at the spark coil, does anyone recognise it, I do !!! http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/images/BL20710_forsale/BL20710f.jpg It is out of what is called an eddy current coupling/drive unit, you turn one shaft with an electric motor and the output shaft has no connection to the input shaft. As you apply current to the coil it induces a magnetic field into the rotor of the output shaft and it turns. The more current through the coil, the faster the output shaft, the difference from input to output speed is called the SLIP. Not a very efficient drive compared to modern variable frequency drives and the like, but simple and a simple control circuitry. The part in the picture here goes inside a drum with very small air gap. I used to work on these on variable speed conveyor belts in the sugar industry, around 30hp. The larger units have a water cooled coil. The coil is rapped around an iron circuit and that is all that is needed to create a spark when the ignitor point open. It would make a great sparking device and a great talking point as most people would have no idea what it is. Thought I would share. Engine for sale here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/for%20sale.htm Click on link on bottom advert for pictures. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From jbcast at charter.net Tue Jul 29 18:09:02 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:09:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. In-Reply-To: <759272.68234.qm@web55910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080729210902.9Q4AJ.169614.root@fepweb15> ---- Jay Bernard wrote: > Ok, now that i know It's working, I was a member here several years back. A few of my friends were too, dont know if they're still on the list, Dick Gibbens, JB Castagnos, > I'm from Thibodaux, Louisiana, at the present time, I own one truly antique engine, my 1921 Stover KA 11/2hp. I am also a volunteer Mechanic (when i have the time, lol) at The Laurel Valley Village museum, which has a pretty decent collection of tractors and engines. I'm currently trying to revive a 1929 (i believe) John Deere Model GP there. > Well, that's a short introuduction of myself. > > Glad to see you're back Jay, guess I see you at Laurel Valley in the fall. J.B.Castagnos From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Tue Jul 29 18:22:33 2008 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:22:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] Earth quake is CA Message-ID: Hi Peter, The quake was today here in southern California........ Yep, there was minimal structure damage....just another day in southern California! Thanks for your concern, Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 29 18:29:01 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:29:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unique spark coil on R&V engine References: <004201c8f1d3$e5080280$0200a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <000b01c8f1e3$a605fe60$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I have made those from alternator stators . If you saw the shaft off both ends , solder on longer wires , wrap it with a half a roll of electrical tape just for fun and then find a smooth cookie tin to pack it in , you get a fat spark . They get kinda big if you use whatever is free . The microscopic suzuki stators with no core charge attached are few and far between . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > Hi all > This engine is for sale, but have a look at the spark coil, does anyone > recognise it, I do !!! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/images/BL20710_forsale/BL20710f.jpg > It is out of what is called an eddy current coupling/drive unit, you turn > one shaft with an electric motor and the output shaft has no connection to From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Tue Jul 29 18:35:48 2008 From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:35:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. In-Reply-To: <759272.68234.qm@web55910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <759272.68234.qm@web55910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1217381748.16929.1.camel@ralph> Welcome back Jay. It is nice to hear from you. Pete. On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 14:09 -0700, Jay Bernard wrote: > Ok, now that i know It's working, I was a member here several years back. A few of my friends were too, dont know if they're still on the list, Dick Gibbens, JB Castagnos, > I'm from Thibodaux, Louisiana, at the present time, I own one truly antique engine, my 1921 Stover KA 11/2hp. I am also a volunteer Mechanic (when i have the time, lol) at The Laurel Valley Village museum, which has a pretty decent collection of tractors and engines. I'm currently trying to revive a 1929 (i believe) John Deere Model GP there. > Well, that's a short introuduction of myself. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Pete Alleman pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Lafayette, Louisiana USA From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 29 19:01:08 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:01:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test Post Message-ID: <20080729.220557.1244.1.jlb94@juno.com> I'm not getting them. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) ____________________________________________________________ Visit the Big Apple. Click here for information on vacation packages and tickets. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nK3sRrqEUTE5ulJQKCHJ29br1Jrng8n7lzcqmyvZHaBCuLz/ From oldiron62 at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 19:28:30 2008 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:28:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Post References: <20080729.220557.1244.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00f401c8f1eb$fff4c8e0$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> You are getting here OK. Kevin in HOT dry Western, Ky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L. Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Test Post > I'm not getting them. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) > ____________________________________________________________ > Visit the Big Apple. Click here for information on vacation packages and > tickets. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nK3sRrqEUTE5ulJQKCHJ29br1Jrng8n7lzcqmyvZHaBCuLz/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jul 29 22:23:14 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:23:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Earth quake is CA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72219863-04AB-4B83-A1D4-0069AF1681AC@rustyiron.com> On Jul 29, 2008, at 6:22 PM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > The quake was today here in southern California........ > Yep, there was minimal structure damage....just another day in > southern > California! Hey, Wink! As bitchin' as the ride is, the aftermath is a pain in the arse. We're relatively low-rise here in OC, but I still had to hoof a total of 41 stories as a result of today's temblor. Dig this video from the Incycle store in San Dimas. http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_10034350 Party on, Garth. Rob From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jul 29 22:50:39 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:50:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Earth quake is CA Message-ID: <20080729.225039.1180.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rob. So does that mean you cut your evening exercise on the stair stepper in half? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:23:14 -0700 Rob Skinner writes: > > On Jul 29, 2008, at 6:22 PM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > > The quake was today here in southern California........ > > Yep, there was minimal structure damage....just another day in > > southern > > California! > > Hey, Wink! > As bitchin' as the ride is, the aftermath is a pain in the arse. > We're relatively low-rise here in OC, but I still had to hoof a > total > of 41 stories as a result of today's temblor. Dig this video from > the > Incycle store in San Dimas. > http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_10034350 > > Party on, Garth. > Rob ____________________________________________________________ Don't stay in a roach motel. Click here to find great deals on hotels. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nLmLgtWeBGprjenwnpRYoax1fh2ZiMRznbnQ33Q6bV2mnn3/ From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jul 30 05:16:26 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:16:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. Message-ID: <073020081216.15750.48905B9A0000C59000003D86219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Jay, Welcome back to the list. If you send me the serial number for that Stover engine I will be glad to look up some history on it from our club's orginal Stover Records. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Jay Bernard To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:18:27 +0000 > Ok, now that i know It's working, I was a member here several years back. A few > of my friends were too, dont know if they're still on the list, Dick Gibbens, JB > Castagnos, > I'm from?Thibodaux, Louisiana, at the present time, I own one truly antique > engine, my 1921 Stover KA 11/2hp.?I am also a volunteer Mechanic (when i have > the time, lol) at The Laurel Valley Village museum, which has a pretty decent > collection of tractors and engines. I'm currently trying to revive a 1929 (i > believe) John Deere Model GP there. > Well, that's a short introuduction of myself. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 30 07:54:39 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction Message-ID: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Hi All, The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us. Dave PS, If you have contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please do so again. I've kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin now! PPS, Be sure to bring something to auction off for charity! PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those FATG's there this year! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 08:45:35 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:45:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working.. In-Reply-To: <759272.68234.qm@web55910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <759272.68234.qm@web55910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Welcome back Jay!Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:09:42 -0700> From: fanmanj4 at yahoo.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working..> > Ok, now that i know It's working, I was a member here several years back. A few of my friends were too, dont know if they're still on the list, Dick Gibbens, JB Castagnos, > I'm from Thibodaux, Louisiana, at the present time, I own one truly antique engine, my 1921 Stover KA 11/2hp. I am also a volunteer Mechanic (when i have the time, lol) at The Laurel Valley Village museum, which has a pretty decent collection of tractors and engines. I'm currently trying to revive a 1929 (i believe) John Deere Model GP there. > Well, that's a short introuduction of myself. > > _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 08:47:14 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:47:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Stan, Is your engine like this one: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA> From: gastzt at aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:21:19 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working..> > WOW--that IS a great little engine! I just finished (almost) a 8 hp > Stover--- cannot find another on the internet--- wish I could! Can't wait to get > it CRANKED up! ha> take care all-- say hi to all of Louisiana! FUN place!> Stan Zettner,> Pleasanton, Texas _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 09:12:54 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:12:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, The cloistered oyster brothers will be there as usual, bidding high and often! > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400> Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction> > Hi All,> The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us.> Dave> PS, If you have contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please > do so again. I've kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin > now!> PPS, Be sure to bring something to auction off for charity!> PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those FATG's there this year!> > > > --------> David Rotigel> rotigel at alltel.net> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 09:23:49 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:23:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: try this link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA > From: flywheelin at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:47:14 +0000> Subject: Re: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover> > > Hi Stan,> > Is your engine like this one:> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA> From: gastzt at aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:21:19 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working..> > WOW--that IS a great little engine! I just finished (almost) a 8 hp > Stover--- cannot find another on the internet--- wish I could! Can't wait to get > it CRANKED up! ha> take care all-- say hi to all of Louisiana! FUN place!> Stan Zettner,> Pleasanton, Texas _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm From gastzt at aol.com Wed Jul 30 10:46:25 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:46:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover Message-ID: Hi there Luke! Yes this DOES look like mine (8hp)---- Only thing different is that one IS running--ha haa! Can't wait to get mine fired up--! Wife been having some health problems, so been trying to get that resolved--then, guess what---will get back to the final fixin's! Just need to put the mixer on it and a couple of small things etc! I'll have some pics on here soon (when I find them)--- and THANKS for the RE---appreciate that a lot Stan Pleasanton, Texas ps: what part of the country is the one you sent? thanks again! **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 30 11:04:21 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:04:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1217441061.4890ad2573f5e@webmail.city-net.com> And making little girls cry if memory serves.... Quoting Steve Royster : > Hi Dave, The cloistered oyster brothers will be there as usual, bidding high > and often! From oldengineman at hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 11:08:36 2008 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:08:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, I'm looking forward to being there again this year. Pete Stauffer > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400> Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction> > Hi All,> The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us.> Dave> PS, If you have contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please > do so again. I've kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin > now!> PPS, Be sure to bring something to auction off for charity!> PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those FATG's there this year!> > > > --------> David Rotigel> rotigel at alltel.net> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jul 30 18:50:02 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:50:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: <005601c8f2af$bf839790$726f4b47@mikecomp> That reminds me, I need to go through your basement before we go to Portland!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction > > Hi Dave, The cloistered oyster brothers will be there as usual, bidding > high and often! > > > > > > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: >> rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400> Subject: [SEL] >> Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction> > Hi All,> The Annual >> Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on >> Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be >> at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland >> (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I >> should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so >> please let me know if you plan to join us.> Dave> PS, If you have >> contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please > do so again. I've >> kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin > now!> PPS, Be sure >> to bring something to auction off for charity!> PPPS, Sure would like to >> get some of those FATG's there this year!> > > > --------> David Rotigel> >> rotigel at alltel.net> > > > _____________________________! > __________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jul 30 18:52:31 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:52:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> <1217441061.4890ad2573f5e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <006c01c8f2b0$18b28e20$726f4b47@mikecomp> That's Steve, I prefer making the big girls cry!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction > And making little girls cry if memory serves.... > > Quoting Steve Royster : > >> Hi Dave, The cloistered oyster brothers will be there as usual, bidding >> high >> and often! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 30 20:03:06 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:03:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: <9FA0DA8E-500F-482B-AFBA-FCE2BDEF9426@alltel.net> After what Steve did to that poor little defenseless girl several years ago, I would think it likely that she would never attend another show in he entire life! Those sorts of scars warp the psychi Shirley, on the other hand should just BE TOLD to attend--no big deal here! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Dave, > > I'll be there. Not sure if Shirley and Brooky are coming yet or not. > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: rotigel at alltel.net > > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400 > > Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction > > > > Hi All, > > The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > > be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > > auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > > north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > > expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us. > > Dave > > PS, If you have contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please > > do so again. I've kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin > > now! > > PPS, Be sure to bring something to auction off for charity! > > PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those FATG's there this year! > > > > > > > > -------- > > David Rotigel > > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. IM > anytime you're online. From gibsongus at earthlink.net Wed Jul 30 22:14:29 2008 From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:14:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [SEL] Earth quake is CA Message-ID: <22636914.1217481269525.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Did you have an earthquake?? I just though the motorhome was doing the bugulaue or something ... -----Original Message----- >From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com >Sent: Jul 29, 2008 6:22 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Earth quake is CA > >Hi Peter, >The quake was today here in southern California........ >Yep, there was minimal structure damage....just another day in southern >California! >Thanks for your concern, > >Wink & Ginger Thornton, >Yucca Valley Ca., USA >KG6TVW, KG6TVV >The older the violin....the sweeter the music! >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= > > > >************** >Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy >Football today. > >(http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jul 30 23:01:03 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:01:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001a01c8f2d2$d11d2020$28706d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Dave, Count me in for the dinner and auction. Cheers Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction > Hi All, > The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us. > Dave > PS, If you have contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please > do so again. I've kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin > now! > PPS, Be sure to bring something to auction off for charity! > PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those FATG's there this year! > > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.7/1581 - Release Date: 30/07/2008 > 06:56 > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 23:41:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:41:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160807302341l1685ec9cjbeeb86cc55d9339b@mail.gmail.com> On 30/07/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us. > Dave We will be there, and we have some stuff for the auction as per usual. Peter & Rita -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From astfgl at iamnota.org Thu Jul 31 02:34:43 2008 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:34:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Need B&D ValveMaster manual Message-ID: <48918733.6080409@iamnota.org> I've been lucky(?) enough to buy an old Black and Decker VALVEMASTER valve grinding setup. As well as the benchtop machine, there's the original wooden cabinet with the Vibro-Centric Driving Tool, stone re-facer and drawers for stones, guides and widgets. The only paper in the box is a damaged two-page manual for the stone dresser, so I'm looking for a manual for the rest of the gear. PDF or scanned images would be best, but I'd be happy to reimburse postage costs, too. Here's a few pics of the machine and accessories: http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7551s.JPG http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7542s.JPG http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7543s.JPG http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7545s.JPG http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7546s.JPG Cheers, glen. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 31 02:55:01 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:55:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need B&D ValveMaster manual References: <48918733.6080409@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <00ca01c8f2f3$825c4940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi Glen. You did well there! I got an old Soux unit that is similar. It was destined for the tip. Since I have had it, it has helped a lot of engine folk. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:34 PM Subject: [SEL] Need B&D ValveMaster manual > I've been lucky(?) enough to buy an old Black and Decker VALVEMASTER > valve grinding setup. As well as the benchtop machine, there's the > original wooden cabinet with the Vibro-Centric Driving Tool, stone > re-facer and drawers for stones, guides and widgets. > > The only paper in the box is a damaged two-page manual for the stone > dresser, so I'm looking for a manual for the rest of the gear. PDF or > scanned images would be best, but I'd be happy to reimburse postage > costs, too. > > Here's a few pics of the machine and accessories: > > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7551s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7542s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7543s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7545s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7546s.JPG > > Cheers, glen. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jul 31 03:02:10 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:02:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need B&D ValveMaster manual References: <48918733.6080409@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <001801c8f2f4$7fdde650$0200a8c0@KAYE> Hi Glen Lucky you, they are a nice machine, I have the Black and Decker VALVEMASTER and Vibro-Centric Driving Tool as well as stones. I am missing the 5/16" valve guide for doing the seats if anyone has a spare they would like to sell. You can see mine here, the gold was original, I just re-painted it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > I've been lucky(?) enough to buy an old Black and Decker VALVEMASTER > valve grinding setup. As well as the benchtop machine, there's the > original wooden cabinet with the Vibro-Centric Driving Tool, stone > re-facer and drawers for stones, guides and widgets. > > The only paper in the box is a damaged two-page manual for the stone > dresser, so I'm looking for a manual for the rest of the gear. PDF or > scanned images would be best, but I'd be happy to reimburse postage > costs, too. > > Here's a few pics of the machine and accessories: > > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7551s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7542s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7543s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7545s.JPG > http://www.iamnota.org/IMG_7546s.JPG > > Cheers, glen. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jul 31 06:49:45 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:49:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's in my barn in Rockford, Michigan Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA > From: gastzt at aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:46:25 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover> > Hi there Luke! > Yes this DOES look like mine (8hp)---- Only thing different is that one > IS running--ha haa! Can't wait to get mine fired up--! Wife been having > some health problems, so been trying to get that resolved--then, guess > what---will get back to the final fixin's! Just need to put the mixer on it and a > couple of small things etc!> I'll have some pics on here soon (when I find them)--- and THANKS for > the RE---appreciate that a lot> Stan> Pleasanton, Texas> > ps: what part of the country is the one you sent? thanks again! _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jul 31 07:20:06 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:20:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <9FA0DA8E-500F-482B-AFBA-FCE2BDEF9426@alltel.net> References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net> <9FA0DA8E-500F-482B-AFBA-FCE2BDEF9426@alltel.net> Message-ID: Believe me Shirley wants to go. She's not sure if she can handle it or not. She's been trying to heal a herniated disk in her lower back. She can't sit for extended periods. She can stand or lay down. At home that's fine, when she's on her feet I have her cooking and cleaning, and when she's laying down I have her, well, you know. The ride down to Portland would be the tough part for her. Her back is much better than it was and she's hoping it will be good enough she can handle the 5 hour drive. Brooky has healed well, you can now say "auction" or "Portland" without her tearing up. I haven't asked her lately if she remembers that Steve guy. She used to refer to him as "that mean old man". Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comFrom: rotigel at alltel.netSubject: Re: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity AuctionDate: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:03:06 -0400To: flywheelin at hotmail.com After what Steve did to that poor little defenseless girl several years ago, I would think it likely that she would never attend another show in he entire life! Those sorts of scars warp the psychi Shirley, on the other hand should just BE TOLD to attend--no big deal here! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: Dave, I'll be there. Not sure if Shirley and Brooky are coming yet or not.Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400> Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction> > Hi All,> The Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be at the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland (Rt. 27 on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so please let me know if you plan to join us.> Dave> PS, If you have contacted me before about the dinner/auction, please > do so again. I've kept no record of requests/questions. I will begin > now!> PPS, Be sure to bring something to auction off for charity!> PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those FATG's there this year!> > > > --------> David Rotigel> rotigel at alltel.net> _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 31 07:59:19 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:59:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover Message-ID: Luke--- Well by golly it will NOT overheat up there in that barn!! Ha! Hope to see it GO someday! Gee thanks for the RE------ Stan 8hp Stover Pleasanton, Tx **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 31 07:59:47 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:59:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Now that I know the list is working../now 8hp Stover Message-ID: it's a Stover K ca 1921 Stan **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jul 31 08:08:10 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:08:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction Message-ID: Luke-- my wife is exactly in the same boat---just got thru with a lower back operation--- kinda' having hell--- better for me when laying down to just hit the couch--LOL! Oh well--- at almost 70 to hell with it--LOL! She anxious to go to the shows again--- just waiting for Fall of the year! She loves watching those ol' 1 bangers! Especially the 7" bore- long strokers--ha Stan Pleasanton, tx **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Jul 31 19:46:52 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:46:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction References: <11F3D371-06DB-4596-BCAD-446D750A2328@alltel.net><9FA0DA8E-500F-482B-AFBA-FCE2BDEF9426@alltel.net> Message-ID: <00d401c8f380$dad16aa0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Luke: It pains me to tell family secrets like this, but Steve has always been ruthless around cute little girls. Did you know we have a sister named Susan? Probably not after what Steve did to her. Little Brooky got off easy compared to Susan. You know how my brother abused me growing up, as I have the scars and stories to prove it. But for my poor defenseless sister, (sob sob), I can hardly relate the TRUE story when Steve, jealous of the baby sister, broke a Coke bottle over her head as she sat in the high chair at the supper table, not even 2 years old!!!! I can't talk about this anymore, the tears are ruining my drink. Poor Steve, poor Susan, poor Brooky! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "David Rotigel" Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction > > Believe me Shirley wants to go. She's not sure if she can handle it or > not. She's been trying to heal a herniated disk in her lower back. She > can't sit for extended periods. She can stand or lay down. At home that's > fine, when she's on her feet I have her cooking and cleaning, and when > she's laying down I have her, well, you know. The ride down to Portland > would be the tough part for her. Her back is much better than it was and > she's hoping it will be good enough she can handle the 5 hour drive. > Brooky has healed well, you can now say "auction" or "Portland" without > her tearing up. I haven't asked her lately if she remembers that Steve > guy. She used to refer to him as "that mean old man". > > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > > > CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comFrom: rotigel at alltel.netSubject: Re: > [SEL] Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity AuctionDate: Wed, 30 Jul > 2008 23:03:06 -0400To: flywheelin at hotmail.com > > After what Steve did to that poor little defenseless girl several years > ago, I would think it likely that she would never attend another show in > he entire life! Those sorts of scars warp the psychi Shirley, on the > other hand should just BE TOLD to attend--no big deal here! > Dave > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Dave, I'll be there. Not sure if Shirley and Brooky are coming yet or > not.Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA > To: > at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: > rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:39 -0400> Subject: [SEL] > Annual Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction> > Hi All,> The Annual > Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will once again > be held on > Thursday (August 21) 2008. As in the past the dinner/ > auction will be at > the Out Back in Decatur. That's about 23 miles > north of Portland (Rt. 27 > on the right at the north end of town.) We > eat at 6:00 SHARP! I should > give Ellen some sort on numbers that we > expect to attend, so please let > me know if you plan to join us.> Dave> PS, If you have contacted me before > about the dinner/auction, please > do so again. I've kept no record of > requests/questions. I will begin > now!> PPS, Be sure to bring something > to auction off for charity!> PPPS, Sure would like to get some of those! > FATG's there this year!> > > > --------> David Rotigel> > rotigel at alltel.net> > _________________________________________________________________ > Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel