From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Jan 1 01:10:20 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:10:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! In-Reply-To: <00be01c84c03$05f11e40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> <00be01c84c03$05f11e40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <477A037C.4080206@steamengine.com.au> Mate, our fire patrol trollies are vintage - the youngest one is 50 years old :) Regards Paul brent wrote: > Paul well done putting the potential fire out that could have been life > threatning just as well you were there..Cant reason the logic behind > stupidity.Does that mean you will be promoted to chief fire officier could > be a good reason to buy a vintage fire truck ? brentnz > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Jan 1 02:31:10 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:31:10 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> <00be01c84c03$05f11e40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <477A037C.4080206@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <001901c84c61$6db53530$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Paul thats pretty cool ..pleased it worked out safely in the end ..brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! > Mate, our fire patrol trollies are vintage - the youngest one is 50 > years old :) > > Regards > Paul > > brent wrote: > > Paul well done putting the potential fire out that could have been life > > threatning just as well you were there..Cant reason the logic behind > > stupidity.Does that mean you will be promoted to chief fire officier could > > be a good reason to buy a vintage fire truck ? brentnz > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jan 1 02:35:11 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:35:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz and first crankup. References: <000801c84bad$172f4b60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <004d01c84c61$fce23140$0601a8c0@altech> Yeah right Dave ;-)) our new government has promised faster internet speeds and now they want to filter everything and slow it down again !!!! We can't win. So if it makes you feel good, Morgan was NOT impressed at midnight sucking in two stroke fumes, even at 30:1, and her hair being blown by the flywheel fan, I can assure you. I got one take on that photo and that was it. ;-))) Today after a good sleep she was back in the shed with me running it and her Villiers again. Take care my friend. Pete, Oz > Hello Peter, > This borders on CHILD ABUSE. But since I like you I will not report > it this time. However, I warn you that with the new laws you have in > OZ (see: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/31/2129471.htm) > this sort of thing will no longer be taken lightly by officials in > your great country! > Dave > PS, Happy New year! > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Dec 31, 2007, at 8:00 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Happy New Year to all at ATIS & Oldengine.org >> >> Here is our New Years Crankup message from my Grand Daughter, >> Morgan, and >> way past her bed time. >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/newyear2008.htm >> >> Yes Dave, the 72 is running, Morgan was not impressed at midnight >> with two >> stroke fumes and the wind from the flywheel fan blowing her hair, >> women I >> just don't understand them ;-)) !!!!! >> >> My mate just rang tonight at 11.15pm and has given me a complete >> engine >> running, for free, a 2hp Cooper H&M open crank, does this make it the >> first engine into a collection for 2008? >> I think it is something like this one, I have seen it before but can't >> remember the model, will collect it when I get my R&V parts at the >> end of >> January. >> http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/guildford_vic_1999/ >> pics/cooper_tc_little_wonder.jpg >> Take care all and happy collecting, >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> Ph: 61-266453455 >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 1 07:40:57 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:40:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year In-Reply-To: <4779A886.5050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: Al: So far, I'm slowly getting ready to do video on the 'ol PeeCee. Only thing is that my trusty Hi-8 camcorder lived only long enough for me to get the hardware for the aforementioned PeeCee........then it died, so now I have no way of inputting. I don't really want to get another camcorder so I'm waiting for a friend to finish archiving all his Hi-8 to DVD then he's gonna loan me his unit so I can do the same. I'll try to get some videos online when that happens. When???.........Don't ask. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 08:42 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy New Year > > > What can I say ? > > Love to see and hear it. Video ??? > > Happy New Year, > > Al Harris > > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > Gang: > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > I celebrated about twelve hours early today by > making smoke on a newly restored 1922 1-1/2 HP > Fairbanks-Morse Z with AB33 oscillating mag. > I've stuck a photogiraffe of me and the engine on > my web page. > > > > I did it early 'cause us Geezers can't be > depended upon to stay awake all the way to midnight! > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 1 10:34:44 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:34:44 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Happy Ne Year to all (belatedly) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080101202446.00bbfd70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys and Gals, Belated Good wishes to you all. We had a "crank up at midnight" and ran my biggest and smallest engines. Wolseley "R" Type (6 H.P.) and The Maytag 92. Pictures here for anyone who cares to have a look: For those who have never seen a Maytag running there is also a short video of it !! If you've got time please be sure to watch the video of the Wolseley - the sound is magic. Happy New Year to you all. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jan 1 10:42:36 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:42:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Message-ID: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, I've been busy over the holidays doing updates to the Lorenz and Benz engine registry. If any of you have Lorenz or Benz engines, please send the details to me so that I can include the engines in the register. I need S/N, HP, Owner's Name, City/State/Country and any comments about unique features, condition, etc. If you have photos, please send those as well. I would prefer that the pictures NOT be reduced in size. One gentleman in Holland who has a number of Czech engines has provided a lot of info for the register. He also provided this link to a video of one of the rarest of the Lorenz and Benz engines; one with low tension ignition!! ENJOY!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com ----- Forwarded message from Peter Daamen ----- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:16:36 +0100 From: Peter Daamen Subject: RE: Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Hi Arnie, Best wishes for the new year !!! I found the next clip on youtube: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoXyvPMk5E Nice running low tension Lorenz And we keep in contact for your visit to Holland. Gr. Peter From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jan 1 11:09:35 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:09:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register References: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <00b301c84ca9$d9393c50$726f4b47@mikecomp> Arnie: I suspect you could beg my brother (the bad seed cloistered oyster Royster) to send you pics of his. However his mind has a hard time staying focused on his engines these days. In high school, it would have been perfume and gasoline that was the distraction, nowadays it is just the perfume!!!!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register > Hi Folks, > > I've been busy over the holidays doing updates to the Lorenz and Benz > engine > registry. If any of you have Lorenz or Benz engines, please send the > details > to me so that I can include the engines in the register. I need S/N, HP, > Owner's Name, City/State/Country and any comments about unique features, > condition, etc. > > If you have photos, please send those as well. I would prefer that the > pictures NOT be reduced in size. > > One gentleman in Holland who has a number of Czech engines has provided a > lot > of info for the register. He also provided this link to a video of one of > the > rarest of the Lorenz and Benz engines; one with low tension ignition!! > > ENJOY!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > ----- Forwarded message from Peter Daamen ----- > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:16:36 +0100 > From: Peter Daamen > Subject: RE: Lorenz & Benz Engine Register > > Hi Arnie, > > Best wishes for the new year !!! > > I found the next clip on youtube: > > http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoXyvPMk5E > > Nice running low tension Lorenz > > And we keep in contact for your visit to Holland. > > Gr. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Jan 1 11:12:12 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:12:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home Message-ID: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Hi all My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow the link to help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of fresh snow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E or F) 12199 Thanks Paul Waugh - Indiana From ottawa at pa.net Tue Jan 1 11:37:47 2008 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:37:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <054c01c84cad$c9fc56b0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> It has a tag on the top of the hopper which probably starts with "TE". It certainly looks like a 4 or 5HP Ottawa Dragsaw Engine.....Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 Ottawa Information & Pictures ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Waugh To: SEL Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home Hi all My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow the link to help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of fresh snow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E or F) 12199 Thanks Paul Waugh - Indiana _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jan 1 11:50:03 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:50:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home In-Reply-To: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <1199217003.477a996ba790e@webmail.city-net.com> EXCELLENT way to start the year!! When he gets that puppy running he should join the sawyers at Cotton Ginning Days in October!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Paul Waugh : > My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow the link to > help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of fresh snow. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E or F) 12199 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jan 1 13:02:30 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:02:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home In-Reply-To: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <08E41516-C7D9-4D37-A1F8-C883665011DE@alltel.net> Hi Paul, You are not really asking for identification are you? Dave PS, See the last few at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ Cotton_Ginning_2006/index.html -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: > Hi all > > My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow > the link to help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of > fresh snow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E > or F) 12199 > > Thanks > > Paul Waugh - Indiana From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 1 13:39:45 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:39:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080101233509.00ba4d30@mail.cyberserv.co.za> I sent this earlier but just noticed a typo in the URL so have now corrected it -apologies! It's this darn laptop keyboard that I have not got used to yet -only been using it for about 11 months :-) Hi Guys and Gals, Belated Good wishes to you all. We had a "crank up at midnight" and ran my biggest and smallest engines. Wolseley "R" Type (6 H.P.) and The Maytag 92. Pictures here for anyone who cares to have a look: For those who have never seen a Maytag running there is also a short video of it !! If you've got time please be sure to watch the video of the Wolseley - the sound is magic. Happy New Year to you all. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 1 14:44:55 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:44:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy Ne Year to all (belatedly) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080101202446.00bbfd70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I couldn't get the movies to load. All I got was an error message (not uncommon on Windoze machines). Has anyone else had the problem with these files? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:35 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Happy Ne Year to all (belatedly) > > > Hi Guys and Gals, > Belated Good wishes to you all. > > We had a "crank up at midnight" and ran > my biggest and smallest > engines. Wolseley "R" Type (6 H.P.) and The Maytag 92. > > Pictures here for anyone who cares to > have a look: > > > > For those who have never seen a Maytag running > there is also a short video > of it !! > > If you've got time please be sure to watch the > video of the Wolseley - the > sound is magic. > > Happy New Year to you all. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 1 15:28:27 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:28:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080101233509.00ba4d30@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I could load your web page (after fixing the typo), but when I tried to run the movies, the player loaded but said there was some problem with the files. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 03:40 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) > > > I sent this earlier but just noticed a typo in > the URL so have now > corrected it -apologies! It's this darn laptop > keyboard that I have not got > used to yet -only been using it for about 11 months :-) > > Hi Guys and Gals, > Belated Good wishes to you all. > > We had a "crank up at midnight" and ran > my biggest and smallest > engines. Wolseley "R" Type (6 H.P.) and The Maytag 92. > > Pictures here for anyone who cares to > have a look: > > > > For those who have never seen a Maytag running > there is also a short video > of it !! > > If you've got time please be sure to watch the > video of the Wolseley - the > sound is magic. > > Happy New Year to you all. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Jan 1 14:32:41 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:32:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <08E41516-C7D9-4D37-A1F8-C883665011DE@alltel.net> Message-ID: <013401c84cc6$391a2730$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a list of serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your tag we can not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that was about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has been dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions on this but I don't keep many emails. Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now getting high winds ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What did my son drag home > Hi Paul, You are not really asking for identification are you? > Dave > PS, See the last few at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ > Cotton_Ginning_2006/index.html > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow >> the link to help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of >> fresh snow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E >> or F) 12199 >> >> Thanks >> >> Paul Waugh - Indiana > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jan 1 14:58:41 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:58:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home Message-ID: <20080101.145841.1628.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Paul. This is how I straightened the crank on my Witte Diesel. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31185124&f= Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:32:41 -0500 "Paul Waugh" writes: > Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a > list of > serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your tag > we can > not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that > was > about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has > been > dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions on > this > but I don't keep many emails. > > Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now > getting high > winds From alharris44 at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 15:10:16 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:10:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <477AC858.40400@gmail.com> The .wmv files run OK for me on Media Player Classic. Your player sounds (pun not intended) like it can't locate a codec to play the movies. HTH Al Harris Also in Oz. Elden DuRand wrote: > Jerry: > > I could load your web page (after fixing the typo), but when I tried to run the movies, the player loaded but said there was some problem with the files. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Jerry Evans >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 03:40 PM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) >> >> >> I sent this earlier but just noticed a typo in >> the URL so have now >> corrected it -apologies! It's this darn laptop >> keyboard that I have not got >> used to yet -only been using it for about 11 months :-) >> >> Hi Guys and Gals, >> Belated Good wishes to you all. >> >> We had a "crank up at midnight" and ran >> my biggest and smallest >> engines. Wolseley "R" Type (6 H.P.) and The Maytag 92. >> >> Pictures here for anyone who cares to >> have a look: >> >> >> >> For those who have never seen a Maytag running >> there is also a short video >> of it !! >> >> If you've got time please be sure to watch the >> video of the Wolseley - the >> sound is magic. >> >> Happy New Year to you all. >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >> www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Jan 1 15:27:23 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:27:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home - now bent crank References: <20080101.145841.1628.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <015401c84ccd$de067170$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Hi Ron I have the idea, and happen to have a set of channel welded up that may do the job, thanks, and still looking for ideas Paul Waugh - getting buried under snow ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What did my son drag home > Hi Paul. > This is how I straightened the crank on my Witte Diesel. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31185124&f= > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:32:41 -0500 "Paul Waugh" > writes: >> Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a >> list of >> serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your tag >> we can >> not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that >> was >> about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has >> been >> dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions on >> this >> but I don't keep many emails. >> >> Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now >> getting high >> winds > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 1 16:38:30 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:38:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) In-Reply-To: <477AC858.40400@gmail.com> Message-ID: Al: I can play movies from everywhere else but maybe the problem flicks are made with something incompatible with my Windoze Media Player. I think I'll wait and see if it fixes itself. Don't want to spend time away from the shop fiddling with some arcane Windoze stuff. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 05:10 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy New Year to all > (belatedly)(resend) > > > The .wmv files run OK for me on Media Player > Classic. Your > player sounds (pun not intended) like it can't > locate a codec > to play the movies. > > HTH > > Al Harris > Also in Oz. > > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > Jerry: > > > > I could load your web page (after fixing the > typo), but when I tried to run the movies, the > player loaded but said there was some problem > with the files. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Jan 1 15:40:23 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:40:23 +1300 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home References: <20080101.145841.1628.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c84ccf$add7ee50$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Ron impressive very ingenious method worked a treat well done.. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] What did my son drag home > Hi Paul. > This is how I straightened the crank on my Witte Diesel. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31185124&f= > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:32:41 -0500 "Paul Waugh" > writes: > > Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a > > list of > > serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your tag > > we can > > not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that > > was > > about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has > > been > > dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions on > > this > > but I don't keep many emails. > > > > Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now > > getting high > > winds > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jan 1 16:11:05 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:11:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home In-Reply-To: <013401c84cc6$391a2730$6401a8c0@PaulNew> References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <08E41516-C7D9-4D37-A1F8-C883665011DE@alltel.net> <013401c84cc6$391a2730$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <8CEB0860-388C-4146-A044-B0EFDC86D29F@alltel.net> There is no list of Ottawa S/N-Date. Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 1, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: > Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a > list of > serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your > tag we can > not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that > was > about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has been > dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions > on this > but I don't keep many emails. > > Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now > getting high > winds > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] What did my son drag home > > >> Hi Paul, You are not really asking for identification are you? >> Dave >> PS, See the last few at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ >> Cotton_Ginning_2006/index.html >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow >>> the link to help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of >>> fresh snow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E >>> or F) 12199 >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Paul Waugh - Indiana >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alharris44 at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 16:35:15 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 11:35:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <477ADC43.509@gmail.com> Elden, you tempted me. The Maytag wmv (which I recovered from my cache) runs on: WMPlayer 7.1 Media Player Classic MPlayer for Windows Maybe it doesn't want to "stream" in "real time", if that's what you attempted to do. I'm fiddling too, with a leaking petrol tank on one of my Roseberys so I'm off back to it. Cheers, Al Elden DuRand wrote: > Al: > > I can play movies from everywhere else but maybe the problem flicks are made with something incompatible with my Windoze Media Player. > > I think I'll wait and see if it fixes itself. Don't want to spend time away from the shop fiddling with some arcane Windoze stuff. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Jan 1 16:44:25 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:44:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew><08E41516-C7D9-4D37-A1F8-C883665011DE@alltel.net><013401c84cc6$391a2730$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <8CEB0860-388C-4146-A044-B0EFDC86D29F@alltel.net> Message-ID: <016901c84cd8$a0432120$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Haha I am finding that out, so I wrote Helen off line to maybe give me an estimate of years TX Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What did my son drag home > There is no list of Ottawa S/N-Date. > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: > >> Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a >> list of >> serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your >> tag we can >> not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that >> was >> about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has been >> dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions >> on this >> but I don't keep many emails. >> >> Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now >> getting high >> winds >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] What did my son drag home >> >> >>> Hi Paul, You are not really asking for identification are you? >>> Dave >>> PS, See the last few at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ >>> Cotton_Ginning_2006/index.html >>> >>> >>> -------- >>> David Rotigel >>> rotigel at alltel.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow >>>> the link to help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of >>>> fresh snow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E >>>> or F) 12199 >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Paul Waugh - Indiana >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jan 2 00:48:53 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:48:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <05a301c84d1c$51087170$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Good! Bloody sure his punishment, if any, will make the 'News' Bring back the gun!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! > Happy New Year everyone. It was a good thing that we ran a fire patrol > today. As expected the diesel caused no fires at all, but an arsonist > had set the 50' high trestle bridge alight with fireworks (by pointing > them down into the ballast next to sleepers). I was able to put out the > fires by digging out the ballast then using the fire pump on the > trolley. I put a lot of water into it before it was extinguished fully. > > Police attended and to my amazement actually caught a bloke who was > hiding in the bushes lineside watching. > > At least our CEO will remember my name now! I get the dubious honour of > submitting the first Incident/Defect Report for 2008. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Pavlinovich wrote: >> I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a >> special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own >> engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 2 00:58:33 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:58:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD Message-ID: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> I know , I have asked this question before but it is confusing with the answers that I have received from other quarters If I sent a DVD ,produced here in Australia and it was done using the PAL system ,to the USA ,could it be played . I know that the system used in the US is NTSC but conflicting reports come to me about it's playability! The DVD player that my friend in the US has is an Insignia DVD100121 Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From astfgl at iamnota.org Wed Jan 2 02:22:30 2008 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:22:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <477B65E6.3010604@iamnota.org> Without knowing some exact details on the DVD in question it's impossible to say, as everything hangs on that DVD's Region Code. I'll give a general answer, though, and you can apply it to that DVD and future ones, too. Short answer: Probably not. (Ha, there's an outside chance! Now you have to keep reading....) Long answer and some options: A bit of googling found the manual for his player [Note 1] which states that it only plays DVDs which are flagged Region Code 1 or ALL. There's lots of people asking for instructions to make it region free, but no-one is answering positively or reporting success. If the DVD you have is commercially produced for the Australian market, it is probably flagged Region Code 4 [Note 2], and only players sold for that region (or hacked to play any region) will play it. Even if the DVD is commercially produced, it may (rarely) have been manufactured with the ALL flag. Most DVD cases show the region along with the rating, runtime, languages, etc on the back. It's shown as the number superimposed on a globe and surrounded with a round cornered box. If it's from a small producer who burns their own, you may be able to ask them to burn you one flagged with Region Code 1. You may also be able to ask them for written permission to make, and possibly pay for, a single copy yourself. You would have to "rip" the disk to a PC, then burn it back to blank DVD with a new Region Code. If the DVD is dual layer, ie larger than 4.7Gb, you would either need to burn it to a DL-DVD in a DL capable drive, or "shrink" it by re-encoding it at a slightly lower quality to make it fit on a single layer DVD. Of course, with a similar permission, you could also record it to a VHS tape, as your friend's machine is a VHS/DVD combo and is reported [Note 3] to playback PAL tapes. Finally, he could buy a cheap ($20-$30) player which is known to have a region free hack available or from Mexico which is Region 4 [Note 2] just like us. [1] [2] [3] BTW, and only slightly related, DVDs are also either PAL or NTSC, but most players will convert the DVD format to the format of the television they're displaying the picture on. I have the Australian Opera's production of /The Mikado/, but it is only available from Amazon in the USA. My player is region free and plays the disk, but it has to convert the 24fps NTSC signal to 25fps PAL for my TV, and so the picture stutters slightly as it has to display 1 frame out of each 24 twice. Usually a player showing a PAL signal on an NTSC TV will drop 1 frame in 25. Of course, many modern televisions are capable of displaying both PAL and NTSC signals at their proper rates, so it is possible with the right equipment and lots of remote control button pressing to configure both the DVD and TV to display the native format on the disk. Cheers, glen. peter ogborne wrote: > I know , I have asked this question before but it is confusing with the > answers that I have received from other quarters > If I sent a DVD ,produced here in Australia and it was done using the PAL > system ,to the USA ,could it be played . > I know that the system used in the US is NTSC but conflicting reports come > to me about it's playability! > The DVD player that my friend in the US has is an Insignia DVD100121 > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 2 03:13:03 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:13:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: DVD ...playability Message-ID: <005f01c84d30$75065f60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: < Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: DVD ...playability > Glen ,thank you very much for that informative reply ,you obviously know > what you are talking about . > What a pity it is that there is no straight foreword way of swapping this > form of media between ourselves . > My friend does not use his DVD player much due to the difficulty he > experiences,he complains of having to use three remotes! > Thanks again Glen I'll try and work through it! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Jan 2 03:58:24 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:58:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: DVD ...playability In-Reply-To: <005f01c84d30$75065f60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001201c84d36$c751aad0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Peter I don't know if this helps but my DVD player only played Region 4 or All. However, I googled the model number and found the code to re-set it so that it plays any region. I had a Region 1 DVD that I couldn't play now I can. I am of the opinion that manufacturers don't make a model for each region, Just one model set with the code for the area in which it is being sold. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2008 10:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fw: DVD ...playability ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: < Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: DVD ...playability > Glen ,thank you very much for that informative reply ,you obviously know > what you are talking about . > What a pity it is that there is no straight foreword way of swapping this > form of media between ourselves . > My friend does not use his DVD player much due to the difficulty he > experiences,he complains of having to use three remotes! > Thanks again Glen I'll try and work through it! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 30/12/2007 11:27 AM From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 2 09:57:23 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:57:23 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080102195449.00bc2510@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 02/01/2008, you wrote: >From: >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:42 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I've been busy over the holidays doing updates to the Lorenz and Benz > > engine > > registry. If any of you have Lorenz or Benz engines, please send the > > details > > to me so that I can include the engines in the register. > > > > > Arnie Fero Hi Arnie, Do you still have the details of the Lorenz's in South Africa or do you need me to resend? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 2 11:14:50 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:14:50 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly) Message-ID: <200801022120250.SM00488@Laptop.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 02/01/2008, you wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:44:55 -0600 >From: "Elden DuRand" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy Ne Year to all (belatedly) > >Jerry: >I couldn't get the movies to load. All I got was an error message (not >uncommon on Windoze machines). >Has anyone else had the problem with these files? >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Hi Elden and others, **********I Know that there are a few guys on the list who swear that Maytags don't run but now you're saying that even a video of a Maytag won't run - This is ridiculous !!!!! :-) *********** I've had a few replies to this of guys having problems but strangely some say that the .mpg of the Wolseley won't play and others say that the "Windoze Media" file of the Maytag will not run. Others have been able to play both or neither so it must have to do with the configuration of individual computers. They run on all 3 of my machines on Windoze 98, Windoze 2000 and XP. This is the first time I've posted video to the net but think that it may be to do with upgraded codecs that Windows Media player needs to download. (Of course I do not expect guys to do this for silly little videos posted by idiots (me, in this case)- working on engines is far more important). So I'll experiment a bit to find the best format that will work on anyone's machine. One thing that does come to mind is that this was not saved as "streaming video". Did you download it to your disk and try to play it from there? If anyone has more experience of putting small video files on their sites please give me some tips (Lets keep it "Off List" and not clutter up the list). Here are how I made the 2 videos - if anyone can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. Both were filmed with my Fuji Finepix digital camera and saved as .avi files. 1)The Maytag file was edited and produced on Windows Movie Maker ver. 2.1.4026.0 standard with my version of Windoze XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2. "Properties" Tells me that the Audio Codec is "Windows Media Audio 9 and the Video Codec is "Windows Media Video 9" 2) The Wolseley file was edited produced using Pinnacle Studio ver. 7.07.1. on another computer running Windoze 98 Second edition using the mpeg codec. I have had this programme for a good few years as it's what I use to edit video from my Sony Digital Video camera so the codecs are probably older and more compatible on older machines. Thanks in advance for any help and apologies to those who battled with the existing files. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 12:32:49 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:32:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f6025160801021232k460c78acrd39f61354c8c6c25@mail.gmail.com> On 02/01/2008, peter ogborne wrote: > I know , I have asked this question before but it is confusing with the > answers that I have received from other quarters On a PC, Windows Media Player should display a DVD created on another PC, but a DVD disc created for TV is another animal altogether. Most DVD players that we have bought in the USA over the past few years have had NTSC and PAL selections on the remote control, we have three here in the UK that we can play both types on if we want. As far as Region Stamping goes, look for a DVD Hack in Google to convert the DVD player to "Region 0" or "Region Free". We brought one back last trip for the grandchildren, it has a universal input (110-240V) and has all the options, plus it has been "converted" to Region 0 (Zero) Tim has a UK TV at home in Phoenix so we always double-check these things before buying... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 2 13:38:24 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:38:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801021232k460c78acrd39f61354c8c6c25@mail.gmail.com> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <6f6025160801021232k460c78acrd39f61354c8c6c25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, FWIW, on the last trip to the UK I bought a Doc Martin DVD. I just love that program. I discovered to my horror that my Sony DVD player wouldn't play it cos it was "out of region." Whatever DVD player software came with my Dell PC was able to play it with no problems. The only downsides are the PC monitor is nowhere near as nice as the TV and the chair at the PC ain't no comfy La-Z-Boy. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > On a PC, Windows Media Player should display a DVD created on another > PC, but a DVD disc created for TV is another animal altogether. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jan 2 12:59:50 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:59:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><6f6025160801021232k460c78acrd39f61354c8c6c25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905800C13@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Arnie, You just need a bigger PC monitor and a better office chair ;-) George Ps... I saw your message about working on the Czech engine registery, but I didn't notice any changes on your website. So are your updates not viewable? -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ....DVD Hi Peter, FWIW, on the last trip to the UK I bought a Doc Martin DVD. I just love that program. I discovered to my horror that my Sony DVD player wouldn't play it cos it was "out of region." Whatever DVD player software came with my Dell PC was able to play it with no problems. The only downsides are the PC monitor is nowhere near as nice as the TV and the chair at the PC ain't no comfy La-Z-Boy. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > On a PC, Windows Media Player should display a DVD created on another > PC, but a DVD disc created for TV is another animal altogether. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 2 14:13:00 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:13:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><6f6025160801021232k460c78acrd39f61354c8c6c25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002701c84d8c$a71ac9d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Right ,I will try and instruct my US friend how to view it on his PC.........thanks for the info one and all.I even had a Skype call from Dave Croft last night telling me to contact Curt Andree.........are you there Curt? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ....DVD > Hi Peter, > > FWIW, on the last trip to the UK I bought a Doc Martin DVD. I just love > that program. I discovered to my horror that my Sony DVD player wouldn't > play it cos it was "out of region." > > Whatever DVD player software came with my Dell PC was able to play it with > no problems. The only downsides are the PC monitor is nowhere near as > nice as the TV and the chair at the PC ain't no comfy La-Z-Boy. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > >> On a PC, Windows Media Player should display a DVD created on another >> PC, but a DVD disc created for TV is another animal altogether. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 15:23:41 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 23:23:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested Message-ID: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> We are trying to get hold of: Doug Kragh (William Douglas Kragh) Beaverton, Oregon USA (503) 524-7022 It is related to a genealogy matter. Rita was looking for her Great-Grandmother's birthplace, and while searching for the details, Doug's name cropped up with an AOL email address. That email is dead now, and I have tried calling his number but he may well be at work or on vacation as there was no reply. If anyone is near to that location, and has a minute, could they try and contact Doug for us and get a valid email address please? The linkage is a place called "Blands Open" in Chester-Le-Street, County Durham, UK. His relative's name is Wilkinson. He would probably need that detail before he would give his email details to anyone cold-calling. We found the place today, and would like to contact him so we can pass on further info. Any help from the Lists would be very much appreciated. Peter & Rita -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Jan 2 18:44:49 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:44:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Isn't that where George Best resides???> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 23:23:41 +0000> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested> > We are trying to get hold of:> > Doug Kragh (William Douglas Kragh)> Beaverton,> Oregon> USA> > (503) 524-7022> > It is related to a genealogy matter. Rita was looking for her> Great-Grandmother's birthplace, and while searching for the details,> Doug's name cropped up with an AOL email address.> > That email is dead now, and I have tried calling his number but he may> well be at work or on vacation as there was no reply.> > If anyone is near to that location, and has a minute, could they try> and contact Doug for us and get a valid email address please?> > The linkage is a place called "Blands Open" in Chester-Le-Street,> County Durham, UK. His relative's name is Wilkinson. He would probably> need that detail before he would give his email details to anyone> cold-calling.> > We found the place today, and would like to contact him so we can pass> on further info.> > Any help from the Lists would be very much appreciated.> > Peter & Rita> -- > Peter A Forbes> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel> http://stationary-engine.co.uk> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 19:06:47 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:06:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <355631.50765.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is what I got from switchboard.com. WILL KRAGHBEAVERTON, OR 97005(503) 524-7022 The phone number is right,,,, I wonder just which part of his name he likes? 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Listerdiesel wrote: We are trying to get hold of: Doug Kragh (William Douglas Kragh) Beaverton, Oregon USA (503) 524-7022 It is related to a genealogy matter. Rita was looking for her Great-Grandmother's birthplace, and while searching for the details, Doug's name cropped up with an AOL email address. That email is dead now, and I have tried calling his number but he may well be at work or on vacation as there was no reply. If anyone is near to that location, and has a minute, could they try and contact Doug for us and get a valid email address please? The linkage is a place called "Blands Open" in Chester-Le-Street, County Durham, UK. His relative's name is Wilkinson. He would probably need that detail before he would give his email details to anyone cold-calling. We found the place today, and would like to contact him so we can pass on further info. Any help from the Lists would be very much appreciated. Peter & Rita -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Jan 3 07:23:29 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:23:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Peter, I live near Beaverton (I have a Beaverton address although I live out in the country) and I can try calling him today. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:24 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested We are trying to get hold of: Doug Kragh (William Douglas Kragh) Beaverton, Oregon USA (503) 524-7022 It is related to a genealogy matter. Rita was looking for her Great-Grandmother's birthplace, and while searching for the details, Doug's name cropped up with an AOL email address. That email is dead now, and I have tried calling his number but he may well be at work or on vacation as there was no reply. If anyone is near to that location, and has a minute, could they try and contact Doug for us and get a valid email address please? The linkage is a place called "Blands Open" in Chester-Le-Street, County Durham, UK. His relative's name is Wilkinson. He would probably need that detail before he would give his email details to anyone cold-calling. We found the place today, and would like to contact him so we can pass on further info. Any help from the Lists would be very much appreciated. Peter & Rita -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 08:01:28 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:01:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> On 03/01/2008, Best, George wrote: > Peter, > > I live near Beaverton (I have a Beaverton address although I live out in > the country) and I can try calling him today. > > George That's very kind of you, George, many thanks! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Thu Jan 3 10:08:14 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:08:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no one sees a need for another? I know that many years ago these email lists were handy because some people (like myself) had email, but didn't have internet access. I have internet access now, but in the beginning of ATIS I only had email. Curious as to whether anyone on the list still only has email access. I still like the email list as you can often get responses quicker. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jan 3 11:34:35 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:34:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, My two cents worth is that those who prefer the web-thread-based style primarily post on Harry's. Those who prefer the email style post on SEL or Old Engine. SOME even prefer the British newsgroup style. 8-)) And some even post to all of 'em (at least from time to time). I think the main difference is that with the web-based you have to go to the info and search it. With the email version, it comes to you in an undifferentiated flow, made even worse by the fact that folks rarely change the subject lines. I visit a number of the web-based forums on a number of topics; Harry's for engines and a bunch of others that are firearms related. I usually scroll through the list of threads and only open a couple that might interest me. I miss a lot that way and I also rarely develop any feel for who the characters are on that forum. For that reason, I do like the email versions. To each his own I think. I really don't see any unique value in adding a web-based service to ATIS. Harry's seems to be perfectly adequate in that regard. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Best, George wrote: > I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. > > Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no one > sees a need for another? > > I know that many years ago these email lists were handy because some > people (like myself) had email, but didn't have internet access. I have > internet access now, but in the beginning of ATIS I only had email. > > Curious as to whether anyone on the list still only has email access. > > I still like the email list as you can often get responses quicker. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 11:58:48 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:58:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801031158m69943780jb2b5e3e55f4748c8@mail.gmail.com> On 03/01/2008, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi George, > > My two cents worth is that those who prefer the web-thread-based style > primarily post on Harry's. Those who prefer the email style post on SEL > or Old Engine. SOME even prefer the British newsgroup style. 8-)) > And some even post to all of 'em (at least from time to time). > Perhaps to answer both posts: When there was only dial-up access, the Bulletin Boards probably accounted for a large percentage of this sort of traffic (on different subjects) and like many of the older folks here, I spent a lot of time on them. Since the web explosion in the past 8-10 years and with the advent of 24-hour broadband access, there are possibly too many forums now, and the attendances are being diluted. I am involved with Smokstak and Oldengine, but I'd be happy to see the ATIS forum flourish, Spencer has put a lot of time onto the hobby on our behalf and deserves to see it run. The Usenet newsgroups are a peculiarity to Usenet, not just the UK, and there are over 100,000 of them now. You also have the various groups organised by Yahoo and Google. I find, like Arnie, that half a dozen is probably as much as you can pay any great attention to and keep track of the posts and people, the others are just occasionally visited. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jan 3 12:14:29 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:14:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801031158m69943780jb2b5e3e55f4748c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801031158m69943780jb2b5e3e55f4748c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1372.12.223.26.26.1199391269.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I dunno - might try when the season comes back around. OTOH, my hands are full now running/hosting/administering http://theamcforum.com In 6 months we've built nearly 500 members and get hundreds of posts a week. It's a community with groups and friends, BUT it requires "watching over" as some come in and tend to ruin or run things, where with email like this, well, it's just different. (feel free to check and see how it's organized) It's nice with a forum you can post a picture ONE TIME and all can see, even those who join next week. Those who want to get "off-topic" can do so in the off-topic banter area I've setup for them. I still like the email list like this as I have a folder where all of the SEL messages go, then can further file things in categories, or delete if I wish. I like that part. But with the forum, I have it setup so that if you post a question, you can get an email telling you of any replies, and the forum post is actually included IN the email. It's even got RSS feed! So you can watch forum messages roll right into Outlook (or your favorite RSS reader) So in a way, our AMC forum is the best of all worlds. I dunno, I still like this, but haven't really given Harry's or even the new ATIS site a REAL chance. I think to some extent, it's information overload............ Geesh, did THAT ever make sense! Bill > On 03/01/2008, Arnie Fero wrote: >> Hi George, >> >> My two cents worth is that those who prefer the web-thread-based style >> primarily post on Harry's. Those who prefer the email style post on SEL >> or Old Engine. SOME even prefer the British newsgroup style. 8-)) >> And some even post to all of 'em (at least from time to time). >> > > Perhaps to answer both posts: > > When there was only dial-up access, the Bulletin Boards probably > accounted for a large percentage of this sort of traffic (on different > subjects) and like many of the older folks here, I spent a lot of time > on them. > > Since the web explosion in the past 8-10 years and with the advent of > 24-hour broadband access, there are possibly too many forums now, and > the attendances are being diluted. > > I am involved with Smokstak and Oldengine, but I'd be happy to see the > ATIS forum flourish, Spencer has put a lot of time onto the hobby on > our behalf and deserves to see it run. > > The Usenet newsgroups are a peculiarity to Usenet, not just the UK, > and there are over 100,000 of them now. You also have the various > groups organised by Yahoo and Google. > > I find, like Arnie, that half a dozen is probably as much as you can > pay any great attention to and keep track of the posts and people, the > others are just occasionally visited. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Jan 3 14:57:03 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:57:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6BC8900F-DC9B-49DE-84A2-CDC92D83FCB5@rustyiron.com> On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Best, George wrote: > I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. > > Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no > one > sees a need for another? > > I know that many years ago these email lists were handy because some > people (like myself) had email, but didn't have internet access. I > have > internet access now, but in the beginning of ATIS I only had email. > > Curious as to whether anyone on the list still only has email access. > > I still like the email list as you can often get responses quicker. > > George Because web based message exchange is not nearly as pragmatic as email. I think the popularity of web forums is fed by the aol/webtv crowd who are force fed browser based email, and therefore don't really differentiate between web forums and mailing lists. Rob From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 3 15:02:15 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:02:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home In-Reply-To: <013401c84cc6$391a2730$6401a8c0@PaulNew> References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <08E41516-C7D9-4D37-A1F8-C883665011DE@alltel.net> <013401c84cc6$391a2730$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <477D6977.1060401@steamengine.com.au> My Ottawa 4hp has a bent crank on the flywheel side and it doesn't seem to bother the engine. There is a noticeable wobble in the flywheel and if the engine's skids arn't pegged down then it tends to go around in circles! The flywheel is straight (I wouldn't run it otherwise). It partly cured itself a couple of years or so ago when I was showing it a Lake Goldsmith at Beaufort in Victoria. That part cure has a sad side to it though - I showed another exhibitor how to shut it down and asked him to keep an eye on it while I wandered the show (as I had done for him earlier that day). When I got back it was lieing on its side going around and around in circles. The guy who has supposed to be looking after it was nowhere to be seen. Others said it oversped then fell over before they figured out how to kill it. It kept going until it broke the magneto trip arm then all quiet. I've made a new trip arm for it, but I have not showed it again. Not until I get time to get it onto a proper cart with wide enough stance to not fall over. The current skids are just too narrow. Paul Paul Waugh wrote: > Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a list of > serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your tag we can > not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that was > about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has been > dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions on this > but I don't keep many emails. > > Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now getting high > winds > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Jan 3 15:11:37 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:11:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > SOME even prefer the British newsgroup style. 8-)) Hey now! USENET was developed by a couple of hillbillies in North Carolina. Usage is not nearly as elegant as the web or email. High level anonymity is preserved, for those who have something to hide. Because of its navigational complexity and lack of serious support by big software vendors, USENET will eventually go the way of the PINE email client, and fade to nothingness. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 3 15:20:03 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:20:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <477D6DA3.2010709@steamengine.com.au> Hi George, I find that forums are best to visit "after" and search for answers. When they're well run and well maintained the entire forum becomes a FAQ that you can mine for valuable information. There is little or no encouragement to post on them or do a running read unless you're very interested in the subject. This is partly because they're slow. With an email list its all there, sitting on my PC whenever I care to read - I run at the speed that my PC will give me the messages. With web forums I have to wait for the pages to load -. No, I'm not without broadband - but even with broadband pages are still "slow" - guess I'm spoilt - why would I want to wait for 4 seconds when I can read email with 0 seconds wait time? Another down side is that forums often vanish without warning. So far the SEL (and other lists I'm a member of have demonstrated their longevity). With a list, if one person can no longer run the service then another can take over almost seemlessly (e.g. Brice handing the SEL over to Spencer all those years ago) - this is much harder with a forum. Unless you both run the same base kernel (or OS version for windows people), same database, same version of PHP (or other web language of choice e.g. ASP.net), same version of the forum software, etc, etc, etc then it is damn near impossible to back up one forum database and bring it up on another server. This is the reason I've never put forum software on Steam & Engine (www.steamengine.com.au) - I've been tempted many times and actually have forum software on the test machine to see how it works - but I've always resisted turning it on because I think the ATIS Steam list and the COALS list that I host adequately handle the need. Forums must be actively managed by one or a small group of administrators. Email lists are self governing with anyone able to step up to the plate and accept the role of policeman on those few occasions when it is necessary to do so. Forum admins can (and often do) go power mad which just upsets people and loses the spirit of community that takes much time to build and often cannot be rebuilt. Forums can also be comment spammed by unscrupulous people either seeking to destroy the forum (disgruntled member) or people jamming it full of advertising and phishing scams. These messages have to be managed and deleted. This can turn into a lot of work for an individual to handle. This is the reason I turned off the guestbooks on my site. Yes, there are software ways to block these posts, but they always find a way around your block. It is hard to stay one step ahead. My current incarnation of the Steam & Engine databases takes the user's update and sends it to me. If I think the update is worth it then I manually approve it for publication. This means I get about 2,000 messages per day for rubbish updates. I lose a LOT of proper updates as it is difficult to find them in the spam chaff. Regards Paul Best, George wrote: > I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. > > Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no one > sees a need for another? > > I know that many years ago these email lists were handy because some > people (like myself) had email, but didn't have internet access. I have > internet access now, but in the beginning of ATIS I only had email. > > Curious as to whether anyone on the list still only has email access. > > I still like the email list as you can often get responses quicker. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 3 15:31:56 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:31:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> Not supported by big vendors? NNTP server: news.microsoft.com Admitedly they use the news groups to syndicate their technical forums - but the microsoft.public.* and microsoft.msdn.* newsgroups certainly exist! You might hate them but you cannot say they're not a big vendor! ps. I wouldn't say PINE was quite dead yet... there are die-hards keeping it up to date (check the "Updated" date below on PINE's entry at www.freshmeat.net) *EXACT MATCH:* **Pine** Tool for reading, sending, and managing electronic messages Homepage Changelog Subscribe Ignore Rate *Author:* University of Washington *[Environment]* Console (Text Based) *[Intended Audience]* End Users/Desktop *[License]* Free To Use But Restricted *[Topic]* Communications :: Email Added: *07-Mar-1998* Updated: *27-Dec-2007* Rating: *8.39/10.00* Vitality: *0.01%* Popularity: *9.42%* License: *Free To Use But Restricted * Version: *4.64* Paul Rob Skinner wrote: > On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> SOME even prefer the British newsgroup style. 8-)) >> > > Hey now! USENET was developed by a couple of hillbillies in North > Carolina. Usage is not nearly as elegant as the web or email. High > level anonymity is preserved, for those who have something to hide. > > Because of its navigational complexity and lack of serious support by > big software vendors, USENET will eventually go the way of the PINE > email client, and fade to nothingness. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jan 3 16:25:42 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:25:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: ROFLMAO!! Hey there Mac-boy, I'm reading this as we speak from a PC Window Xterm on a Unix box here at work telnetted to my ISP's Unix box where I happen to be running pine as an email reader. So there... 8-P Been doin' that since Hector was a pup. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Rob Skinner wrote: > Because of its navigational complexity and lack of serious support by > big software vendors, USENET will eventually go the way of the PINE > email client, and fade to nothingness. From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jan 3 15:35:57 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:35:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <477D6DA3.2010709@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <008701c84e61$69478c30$f800a8c0@sheeba> You mention some things that we've covered in our theamcforum.com SPAMMING is prevented by the software. Members MUST use a valid email address and confirm by clicking a link. The register, CAPTCHA is used to prevent automation, they can't automatically join and create bogus users. We can restrict access or ban based on several criteria. I am the administrator and hold all the keys, however, I've written documentation that prevents what's happened to a couple of AMC forums in the past - the admin vanishes and so does the forum. I've documented everything, and given that info to the other 5 mods, all passwords, etc. the whole shooting match is backed up every night. I also do local backups of the forum sofware AND the sql database, burn it to CD and give copies to the others. Even if the ISP goes away, we can get back in business in hours. The software is secure (we pay, we don't use FREEWARE) SQL makes it faster than most text file based forums, and the software is written to make minimal SQL requests, and closes the connection quickly. This forum will not disappear, we got together and formed a sort of loose "club" to prevent that. If I die tonight, it might take a few hours for them to sort out certain "how do we" but they CAN continue. If the ISP loses a server, the stuff is simply restored elsewhere. MS servers and SQL database means we pay money, but donations from a few key AMC folks has it covered. (there are enough AMC addicts to ensure this will continue) The load is pretty well distributed and there are enough of us, and to a large extent, the caliber of folks we have makes it somewhat self-policing. We've been told "this is the best AMC forum yet" and "this forum is so helpful and friendly" and "I actually feel at home here for the first time on any forum". We have our bases covered SO well, we have the coveted documents of an AMC historian, Tom Benvie. The forum I put up and we jointly mod and maintain is the first one he's ever felt comfortable enough with to post his rare and unique documents and photos. There also exists software to enable database conversion for this forum software we use. SQL is pretty widely used and it can even be ported to MYSQL fairly easily. Forums can and do work with the right forumula and the right people. The real trick is to let the personality of the forum be a mix of the admin, mods and members without any one overwhelming the others. But granted, they are NOT right for everyone! Never will be............ Bill -----Original Message----- From: Paul Pavlinovich [mailto:pjp at steamengine.com.au] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curious Hi George, I find that forums are best to visit "after" and search for answers. When they're well run and well maintained the entire forum becomes a FAQ that you can mine for valuable information. There is little or no encouragement to post on them or do a running read unless you're very interested in the subject. This is partly because they're slow. With an email list its all there, sitting on my PC whenever I care to read - I run at the speed that my PC will give me the messages. With web forums I have to wait for the pages to load -. No, I'm not without broadband - but even with broadband pages are still "slow" - guess I'm spoilt - why would I want to wait for 4 seconds when I can read email with 0 seconds wait time? Another down side is that forums often vanish without warning. So far the SEL (and other lists I'm a member of have demonstrated their longevity). With a list, if one person can no longer run the service then another can take over almost seemlessly (e.g. Brice handing the SEL over to Spencer all those years ago) - this is much harder with a forum. Unless you both run the same base kernel (or OS version for windows people), same database, same version of PHP (or other web language of choice e.g. ASP.net), same version of the forum software, etc, etc, etc then it is damn near impossible to back up one forum database and bring it up on another server. This is the reason I've never put forum software on Steam & Engine (www.steamengine.com.au) - I've been tempted many times and actually have forum software on the test machine to see how it works - but I've always resisted turning it on because I think the ATIS Steam list and the COALS list that I host adequately handle the need. Forums must be actively managed by one or a small group of administrators. Email lists are self governing with anyone able to step up to the plate and accept the role of policeman on those few occasions when it is necessary to do so. Forum admins can (and often do) go power mad which just upsets people and loses the spirit of community that takes much time to build and often cannot be rebuilt. Forums can also be comment spammed by unscrupulous people either seeking to destroy the forum (disgruntled member) or people jamming it full of advertising and phishing scams. These messages have to be managed and deleted. This can turn into a lot of work for an individual to handle. This is the reason I turned off the guestbooks on my site. Yes, there are software ways to block these posts, but they always find a way around your block. It is hard to stay one step ahead. My current incarnation of the Steam & Engine databases takes the user's update and sends it to me. If I think the update is worth it then I manually approve it for publication. This means I get about 2,000 messages per day for rubbish updates. I lose a LOT of proper updates as it is difficult to find them in the spam chaff. Regards Paul Best, George wrote: > I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. > > Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no > one sees a need for another? > > I know that many years ago these email lists were handy because some > people (like myself) had email, but didn't have internet access. I > have internet access now, but in the beginning of ATIS I only had email. > > Curious as to whether anyone on the list still only has email access. > > I still like the email list as you can often get responses quicker. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Thu Jan 3 15:41:38 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:41:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <200801032341.m03Nfj4L020560@mail-gw.fsr.net> I suspect Smokstak has a great deal to do with it. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:08 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Curious I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no one sees a need for another? Snip From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Jan 3 15:56:27 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:56:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Changelog > Subscribe > > Ignore > %3Dprojects> > Rate *Author:* University of Washington That's quite a compelling argument, Paul. But if I had to understand what you just typed in order to use PINE, I'd switch to the United States Postal Service. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jan 3 16:51:06 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:51:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: AND you'll find pine available on virtually any Unix box you might need to use. I suppose Rob would go off on another rant if anyone dared to mention vi? 8-))) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > ps. I wouldn't say PINE was quite dead yet... there are die-hards > keeping it up to date (check the "Updated" date below on PINE's entry at > www.freshmeat.net) From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 3 16:32:10 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:32:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <008701c84e61$69478c30$f800a8c0@sheeba> References: <008701c84e61$69478c30$f800a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <477D7E8A.4070604@steamengine.com.au> Hi Bill, Your team is a rare one mate! Well done on such forward thinking - your forum will probably succeed long term partly because you have a limited and dedicated audience and because you are running it well. If all forum sites had the leadership that you discuss then they would all do better. Typically successful sites that I've used or been involved with are those that are commercially managed with people paid to do the moderation. They don't have a political need to one-up the next guy and resist the formation of cliques. Do you allow hotmail, gmail, yahoo, etc email addresses? If you do, then your verification is only as good as their verification (which is negligable). If you only allow a real reverse-lookup domain with a valid MX and a valid email MTA then you're up there with a chance, otherwise you have a little false security there. Not much that you can do but keep mindful of what is being posted. CAPTCHA is a great tool, but it has been broken. Each time it is broken the suppliers of the tool insert some new line here or there to trick the OCR (optical character recognition) so make sure you keep your CAPTCHA software up to date. Of course for someone to break your particular site there has to be some incentive - if your messages are only visible to members then they'll stop - if what they post is automatically visible to the general public then they'll abuse and post spam. I don't know that there is anything wrong with using freeware - it is often better debugged than the commercial offerings (there is also an amazing amount of unmaintained junk). But that is an argument for another list. Whatever fits the purpose best and is within the reach of the people with the need is the best solution. In your case this is paid software on a paid site. Nothing wrong with that choice at all. I'd be happy to discuss site security with your further off list if you like - I've had quite a bit to do with it and may be helpful. I think you've covered it fairly well from what you say about your site, but the general wording does concern me that you think you've done what you need to do. The main key is to remain vigilent. Regards Paul Bill Dickerson wrote: > You mention some things that we've covered in our theamcforum.com > SPAMMING is prevented by the software. Members MUST use a valid email > address and confirm by clicking a link. The register, CAPTCHA is used to > prevent automation, they can't automatically join and create bogus users. > We can restrict access or ban based on several criteria. > I am the administrator and hold all the keys, however, I've written > documentation that prevents what's happened to a couple of AMC forums in the > past - the admin vanishes and so does the forum. I've documented everything, > and given that info to the other 5 mods, all passwords, etc. the whole > shooting match is backed up every night. I also do local backups of the > forum sofware AND the sql database, burn it to CD and give copies to the > others. > Even if the ISP goes away, we can get back in business in hours. > The software is secure (we pay, we don't use FREEWARE) > SQL makes it faster than most text file based forums, and the software is > written to make minimal SQL requests, and closes the connection quickly. > This forum will not disappear, we got together and formed a sort of loose > "club" to prevent that. If I die tonight, it might take a few hours for them > to sort out certain "how do we" but they CAN continue. If the ISP loses a > server, the stuff is simply restored elsewhere. MS servers and SQL database > means we pay money, but donations from a few key AMC folks has it covered. > (there are enough AMC addicts to ensure this will continue) > The load is pretty well distributed and there are enough of us, and to a > large extent, the caliber of folks we have makes it somewhat self-policing. > We've been told "this is the best AMC forum yet" and "this forum is so > helpful and friendly" and "I actually feel at home here for the first time > on any forum". > We have our bases covered SO well, we have the coveted documents of an AMC > historian, Tom Benvie. The forum I put up and we jointly mod and maintain is > the first one he's ever felt comfortable enough with to post his rare and > unique documents and photos. > There also exists software to enable database conversion for this forum > software we use. SQL is pretty widely used and it can even be ported to > MYSQL fairly easily. > Forums can and do work with the right forumula and the right people. The > real trick is to let the personality of the forum be a mix of the admin, > mods and members without any one overwhelming the others. > > But granted, they are NOT right for everyone! Never will be............ > > Bill > > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jan 3 17:19:49 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:19:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <477D7E8A.4070604@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000601c84e6f$e8e83e90$f800a8c0@sheeba> Thanks Paul, I may just contact you. You are never done as far as security. The bad guys have a lot of resources and keep trying. Security alone can be a full-time job. My son uses gmail............ He lives in Korea and needs the "portability" it allows (and the price is right) Unfortunately, a lot of "legit" businesses use those mail providers, it's hard to say "no" and lose major players. We are watchful, however, and are working with the software vendor on more changes - requirements, etc. I've found he's a security nut and often won't add features if he believes it will have a negative impact on security.... When some dust settles, I've saved your email.... ;-) Bill -----Original Message----- From: Paul Pavlinovich [mailto:pjp at steamengine.com.au] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curious Hi Bill, Your team is a rare one mate! Well done on such forward thinking - your forum will probably succeed long term partly because you have a limited and dedicated audience and because you are running it well. If all forum sites had the leadership that you discuss then they would all do better. Typically successful sites that I've used or been involved with are those that are commercially managed with people paid to do the moderation. They don't have a political need to one-up the next guy and resist the formation of cliques. Do you allow hotmail, gmail, yahoo, etc email addresses? If you do, then your verification is only as good as their verification (which is negligable). If you only allow a real reverse-lookup domain with a valid MX and a valid email MTA then you're up there with a chance, otherwise you have a little false security there. Not much that you can do but keep mindful of what is being posted. CAPTCHA is a great tool, but it has been broken. Each time it is broken the suppliers of the tool insert some new line here or there to trick the OCR (optical character recognition) so make sure you keep your CAPTCHA software up to date. Of course for someone to break your particular site there has to be some incentive - if your messages are only visible to members then they'll stop - if what they post is automatically visible to the general public then they'll abuse and post spam. I don't know that there is anything wrong with using freeware - it is often better debugged than the commercial offerings (there is also an amazing amount of unmaintained junk). But that is an argument for another list. Whatever fits the purpose best and is within the reach of the people with the need is the best solution. In your case this is paid software on a paid site. Nothing wrong with that choice at all. I'd be happy to discuss site security with your further off list if you like - I've had quite a bit to do with it and may be helpful. I think you've covered it fairly well from what you say about your site, but the general wording does concern me that you think you've done what you need to do. The main key is to remain vigilent. Regards Paul Bill Dickerson wrote: > You mention some things that we've covered in our theamcforum.com > SPAMMING is prevented by the software. Members MUST use a valid email > address and confirm by clicking a link. The register, CAPTCHA is used > to prevent automation, they can't automatically join and create bogus users. > We can restrict access or ban based on several criteria. > I am the administrator and hold all the keys, however, I've written > documentation that prevents what's happened to a couple of AMC forums > in the past - the admin vanishes and so does the forum. I've > documented everything, and given that info to the other 5 mods, all > passwords, etc. the whole shooting match is backed up every night. I > also do local backups of the forum sofware AND the sql database, burn > it to CD and give copies to the others. > Even if the ISP goes away, we can get back in business in hours. > The software is secure (we pay, we don't use FREEWARE) SQL makes it > faster than most text file based forums, and the software is written > to make minimal SQL requests, and closes the connection quickly. > This forum will not disappear, we got together and formed a sort of > loose "club" to prevent that. If I die tonight, it might take a few > hours for them to sort out certain "how do we" but they CAN continue. > If the ISP loses a server, the stuff is simply restored elsewhere. MS > servers and SQL database means we pay money, but donations from a few key AMC folks has it covered. > (there are enough AMC addicts to ensure this will continue) The load > is pretty well distributed and there are enough of us, and to a large > extent, the caliber of folks we have makes it somewhat self-policing. > We've been told "this is the best AMC forum yet" and "this forum is so > helpful and friendly" and "I actually feel at home here for the first > time on any forum". > We have our bases covered SO well, we have the coveted documents of an > AMC historian, Tom Benvie. The forum I put up and we jointly mod and > maintain is the first one he's ever felt comfortable enough with to > post his rare and unique documents and photos. > There also exists software to enable database conversion for this > forum software we use. SQL is pretty widely used and it can even be > ported to MYSQL fairly easily. > Forums can and do work with the right forumula and the right people. > The real trick is to let the personality of the forum be a mix of the > admin, mods and members without any one overwhelming the others. > > But granted, they are NOT right for everyone! Never will be............ > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ddotto at cableone.net Thu Jan 3 18:39:07 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:39:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c84e7a$facc78a0$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> I used to be pretty good with VI on a UNIX box at work; it was the only way for me to use the tractor list and the original engine list. But it has been to many years. I still work there; but the PCs and Windows have taken over. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 3 22:03:05 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:03:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Curious References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000701c84e97$7932cde0$0601a8c0@altech> I still refer the email List, with the forums you have to wade through the posts daily or you miss out and have to back track through them. I only go to Harry's once a week if I have time, and also belong to many other forums for IT, car stuff, insulators, licence plates etc, they are very time consuming. If ATIS went wholly to a forum and dropped the email LIST I probably would not bother any more. My $0.02 worth Peter, Oz > I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. > > Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no one > sees a need for another? > > I know that many years ago these email lists were handy because some > people (like myself) had email, but didn't have internet access. I have > internet access now, but in the beginning of ATIS I only had email. > > Curious as to whether anyone on the list still only has email access. > > I still like the email list as you can often get responses quicker. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 22:27:11 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:27:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <000701c84e97$7932cde0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <000701c84e97$7932cde0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6f6025160801032227l24c98ae2m7f9bac9d84954703@mail.gmail.com> On 04/01/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > I still refer the email List, with the forums you have to wade through the > posts daily or you miss out and have to back track through them. > I only go to Harry's once a week if I have time, and also belong to many > other forums for IT, car stuff, insulators, licence plates etc, they are > very time consuming. > If ATIS went wholly to a forum and dropped the email LIST I probably would > not bother any more. > My $0.02 worth > > Peter, Oz But.... To run through either of the List's traffic and Smokstak is only seconds in reality, for you know in advance what you are going to look at and what you are not, so in time terms they all take about the same. We use Gmail for all of the Lists, and subject-line scanning on most days will either see a couple of items read or of all of them deleted. Same with Smokstak and the Usenet newsgroups, you just develop a good sense of what is 'likely' to be of interest and what you can safely discard. I keep deleted List traffic for a few days, just in case... Gmail deletes stuff in the deleted folder after 30 days. Most regular emails we keep forever, saved by year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 23:04:54 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:04:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801032304j5f79bfe1q1026d5b41fea8b43@mail.gmail.com> On 02/01/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > We are trying to get hold of: > > Doug Kragh (William Douglas Kragh) > Beaverton, > Oregon > USA > Just a quick "Thank You" to all who replied with information, and in particular to George Best who found our man, who has now been in touch. As far as we know, there is no connection between the families, other than this place of birth of two separate people, but it may well turn out that there is linkage, in which case it would be a completely new side of our two families that was hithertoo unknown. Thanks again, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 23:07:29 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:07:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Truck For Sale (From Oldengine.org) Message-ID: <6f6025160801032307g7b7bcf07g56270fbac779c225@mail.gmail.com> Jim Dunmyer posted this on Oldengine, might be of interest: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dodge truck for sale: 1994, Ram 2500, Green/gray, standard cab, 8' bed, SLT package (power windows & locks, tilt/cruise, etc.), Cummins Turbo Diesel, 2WD, auto trans, very good mechanical condition, no major dents, but a bit of body rust. Air bags w/onboard compressor, Tekonsha Prodigy brake controller, reciever hitch, 'A' pillar guages (pyro, boost, trans temp), tires have maybe 10,000 miles, new shocks & exhaust, brakes good. Trans was rebuilt at 122,000 miles, with shift kit added. Only 190,000 miles, starts & runs great, good fuel mileage. I was planning on keeping this truck another couple of years until I ran into a deal on a 2001 that I couldn't pass up. Asking $4500.00 <> <> <> <> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jan 4 02:07:54 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:07:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <477E057A.4070509@steamengine.com.au> Yeah yeah, so it posted in HTML. I'll post it in Swahili next time :) Rob Skinner wrote: > On Jan 3, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > >> Changelog >> Subscribe >> >> Ignore >> > %3Dprojects> >> Rate *Author:* University of Washington >> > > > That's quite a compelling argument, Paul. But if I had to understand > what you just typed in order to use PINE, I'd switch to the United > States Postal Service. > > Rob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jan 4 02:11:27 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:11:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <477E064F.5060509@steamengine.com.au> Arnie... shame on you. Try the modern version vim or even the windowsy gvim. I use it all the time. It is the best cross platform editor I've found. Runs on damn near anything and behaves exactly the same no matter what you run it on. Best yet it can read and quickly display a 2gb trace log file spat out by a mental micro$oft.net application! Regards Paul Arnie Fero wrote: > AND you'll find pine available on virtually any Unix box you might need to > use. I suppose Rob would go off on another rant if anyone dared to > mention vi? 8-))) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > > >> ps. I wouldn't say PINE was quite dead yet... there are die-hards >> keeping it up to date (check the "Updated" date below on PINE's entry at >> www.freshmeat.net) >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jan 4 02:23:32 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:23:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <477E0924.9060100@steamengine.com.au> Hi Peter, I realise you've already had a few answers on this but here are a couple more :) Most USA bought equipment cannot play PAL - the TV and DVD usually are unable to do it. Some DVD players (generally the cheaper ones) will convert from PAL to NTSC without the user even knowing they're doing it. This means a disk sent from Australia (ignoring the region) will be unlikely to play. However, generally Aus (and just about anywhere else on the planet) will play most popular video formats so you can bring an NTSC DVD from the USA and it will play here (I have heaps). You will get less problems with cheaper players - the expensive ones (e.g. Sony) subscribe to the licensing scheme and are still steadfastly ignoring the market demands in the interests of controlling their own products (Sony make movies too). Now onto the good news, portable DVD players (the kind with an inbuilt screen) generally play any video format and any region - I dare say this is to market them to travellers. Give one of them a try. You can usually connect them to a normal TV. Of course, one final point... there are three principal DVD formats - standard (everything should play these), and the two High Definition "Blue Ray" and "Hi Def". These two HD formats are utterly incompatible and to date I've not seen a single player that will take on both. I have a HD TV but refuse to buy a HD DVD player to go with it until there is a player than handles both formats. Remember Beta and VHS? Here we go again. The worst thing about the HD players is that it isnt just your DVD player that decides if you are "allowed" to watch something - when connected via an HDMI input the bloody TV has a say too! Fortunately for me I've got an Hitachi which will pretend to be in any location you tell it. Regards Paul peter ogborne wrote: > I know , I have asked this question before but it is confusing with the > answers that I have received from other quarters > If I sent a DVD ,produced here in Australia and it was done using the PAL > system ,to the USA ,could it be played . > I know that the system used in the US is NTSC but conflicting reports come > to me about it's playability! > The DVD player that my friend in the US has is an Insignia DVD100121 > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Jan 4 03:00:18 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 19:00:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT re DVD Message-ID: <001401c84ec1$02339a10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Paul,my problem is that I am trying to find a way for my friend in the US to play the DVD that I send him. I might just give up ,he is not up to speed on this technology Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Jan 4 03:52:44 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:52:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> Enough of all this OT all talk no action crap!! How about celebrating with me as I just got the piston out of the Campbell tonight !! :-) yeeeehaaaa Have been working away slowly at it over the past couple of weeks. have been getting it to move about 1/4 in each time I have a play, well the sucker is 13 inches long and looks real pretty sitting in the block. I took a few pick and will get em up in a few days! It's now 10.50pm (Ive been at work all day but just had to go over the shed for another engine play) and time for a well earned beer, cheers, Russell PS: this old girl is looking real good for the next National Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From bethell at internode.on.net Fri Jan 4 04:27:19 2008 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 23:27:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000801c84ecd$26b09cb0$0201010a@JIM> Geez mate you picked a warm night to work on the Campbell, at least it wasn't 37 deg! Must drop around and see what all the fuss is about. Jimbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:52 PM Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! > Enough of all this OT all talk no action crap!! How about celebrating > with me as I just got the piston out of the Campbell tonight !! > :-) yeeeehaaaa Have been working away slowly at it over the past > couple of weeks. have been getting it to move about 1/4 in each time > I have a play, well the sucker is 13 inches long and looks real > pretty sitting in the block. I took a few pick and will get em up in > a few days! > > It's now 10.50pm (Ive been at work all day but just had to go over > the shed for another engine play) and time for a well earned beer, > cheers, Russell > > PS: this old girl is looking real good for the next National > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Fri Jan 4 05:56:45 2008 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:56:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT re DVD In-Reply-To: <001401c84ec1$02339a10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001401c84ec1$02339a10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <477E3B1D.8080105@xplornet.com> Hello Peter, Just for info. I bought several DVD's in England last year. I wasn't worried about the format as I have "AvOne Gold video/audio converter" Thanks Paul,my problem is that I am trying to find a way for my friend in > the US to play the DVD that I send him. > I might just give up ,he is not up to speed on this technology > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From blcksmth at wcnet.org Fri Jan 4 06:01:51 2008 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:01:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <477E0924.9060100@steamengine.com.au> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <477E0924.9060100@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000801c84eda$5d9f57e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> There are at least two players that will play both Blu-ray and HD DVD formats. They are the LG BH200 and the Samsung BD-UP5000. They are in the $800.00 class but they are available. I saw them at www.crutchfield.com Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Pavlinovich Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:24 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ....DVD Hi Peter, I realise you've already had a few answers on this but here are a couple more :) Most USA bought equipment cannot play PAL - the TV and DVD usually are unable to do it. Some DVD players (generally the cheaper ones) will convert from PAL to NTSC without the user even knowing they're doing it. This means a disk sent from Australia (ignoring the region) will be unlikely to play. However, generally Aus (and just about anywhere else on the planet) will play most popular video formats so you can bring an NTSC DVD from the USA and it will play here (I have heaps). You will get less problems with cheaper players - the expensive ones (e.g. Sony) subscribe to the licensing scheme and are still steadfastly ignoring the market demands in the interests of controlling their own products (Sony make movies too). Now onto the good news, portable DVD players (the kind with an inbuilt screen) generally play any video format and any region - I dare say this is to market them to travellers. Give one of them a try. You can usually connect them to a normal TV. Of course, one final point... there are three principal DVD formats - standard (everything should play these), and the two High Definition "Blue Ray" and "Hi Def". These two HD formats are utterly incompatible and to date I've not seen a single player that will take on both. I have a HD TV but refuse to buy a HD DVD player to go with it until there is a player than handles both formats. Remember Beta and VHS? Here we go again. The worst thing about the HD players is that it isnt just your DVD player that decides if you are "allowed" to watch something - when connected via an HDMI input the bloody TV has a say too! Fortunately for me I've got an Hitachi which will pretend to be in any location you tell it. Regards Paul peter ogborne wrote: > I know , I have asked this question before but it is confusing with > the answers that I have received from other quarters If I sent a DVD > ,produced here in Australia and it was done using the PAL system ,to > the USA ,could it be played . > I know that the system used in the US is NTSC but conflicting reports > come to me about it's playability! > The DVD player that my friend in the US has is an Insignia DVD100121 > Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the > Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 4 06:06:43 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:06:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] That left a mark References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> <000801c84ecd$26b09cb0$0201010a@JIM> Message-ID: <02f801c84edb$095503f0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40338 http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43907 One of those things that makes you go wooooooaaah . Thought provoking to say the least for those with rare , serialized , publicized items . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Jan 4 06:13:38 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:13:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <1095.12.223.26.26.1199456018.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> What do the list's Linux users use for email, etc? I may switch rather than go to Vista (uugghh) Bill > AND you'll find pine available on virtually any Unix box you might need to > use. I suppose Rob would go off on another rant if anyone dared to > mention vi? 8-))) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > >> ps. I wouldn't say PINE was quite dead yet... there are die-hards >> keeping it up to date (check the "Updated" date below on PINE's entry at >> www.freshmeat.net) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 4 06:51:53 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:51:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: On Jan 4, 2008, at 3:52 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > How about celebrating > with me as I just got the piston out of the Campbell tonight !! Good on ya, mate! It's dawn in So Cal, so I'll help ya celebrate with a hot cuppa. From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jan 4 07:53:47 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:53:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Russell: Yeeeeehaaaaa back atcha! Good on you for getting the piston out without breaking anything! I wish I could go to Ozzieland to look at some of the old iron you guys are working on. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Russell > Gilbert > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 05:53 AM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! > > > Enough of all this OT all talk no action crap!! > How about celebrating > with me as I just got the piston out of the > Campbell tonight !! > :-) yeeeehaaaa Have been working away slowly at > it over the past > couple of weeks. have been getting it to move > about 1/4 in each time > I have a play, well the sucker is 13 inches long > and looks real > pretty sitting in the block. I took a few pick > and will get em up in > a few days! From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Fri Jan 4 09:51:21 2008 From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:51:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <1095.12.223.26.26.1199456018.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> <1095.12.223.26.26.1199456018.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <1199469081.26241.4.camel@ralph> On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 06:13 -0800, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > What do the list's Linux users use for email, etc? > I may switch rather than go to Vista (uugghh) I switched from real UNIX to Linux about 1.5 years ago. I've been using primarily Evolution for mail, calendar, and contacts. I use Thunderbird and mutt as secondary mailers. I use Evolution mostly because it synchronizes with my PDA (Treo). Ruth uses Thunderbird as her primary mail and contacts, and uses mutt as a secondary mailer. There are lots of choices. Pete. -- Pete Alleman pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Lafayette, Louisana USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 4 10:47:47 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:47:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <477E064F.5060509@steamengine.com.au> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> <477E064F.5060509@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Paul, I like vi for only two reasons. If you know how to use it, its powerful as hell and it will be found on every Unix system in existance. For doing real day-to-day work I use Slickedit exclusively; either a Unix version or the PC version on my laptop. I HIGHLY recommend it. See ya, Arnie On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Arnie... shame on you. Try the modern version vim or even the windowsy gvim. > > I use it all the time. It is the best cross platform editor I've found. > Runs on damn near anything and behaves exactly the same no matter what > you run it on. Best yet it can read and quickly display a 2gb trace log > file spat out by a mental micro$oft.net application! From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jan 4 13:24:22 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:24:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT re DVD In-Reply-To: <001401c84ec1$02339a10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001401c84ec1$02339a10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <477EA406.8060703@steamengine.com.au> The most straight forward route would be for you to rip it on your computer and convert it to NTSC then burn it onto a new Region 1 DVD. Software like Nero 7 can do this for you. If you cannot do this, I'm happy to have a go. You just need to send it 4,500km before sending it 18,000 more km! Regards Paul peter ogborne wrote: > Thanks Paul,my problem is that I am trying to find a way for my friend in > the US to play the DVD that I send him. > I might just give up ,he is not up to speed on this technology > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jan 4 13:28:16 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:28:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <000801c84eda$5d9f57e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <477E0924.9060100@steamengine.com.au> <000801c84eda$5d9f57e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> Message-ID: <477EA4F0.8090304@steamengine.com.au> Thanks Bob. Good to know that there is the beginnings of some sense here!! I'll probably stick with my SD players until the prices on the HD players are a little more realistic. Out of the Aussies on this list - who knows that Analog TV is being progressively turned off from the end of 2008 and finishing in 2011? You don't need to shell out for a new TV - just get yourself a digital set top box. These range from $30 to as much as you care to pay. If you want to look at the new HD channels then you will either need a box that can down convert from HD to SD or you need a new TV. The HD channels mostly run the same programs but not always. Just another quickie... unrelated to TV - who knows that CDMA telephones are being turned off at the end of this month in this country? Regards Paul Bob Willman wrote: > There are at least two players that will play both Blu-ray and HD > DVD formats. They are the LG BH200 and the Samsung BD-UP5000. They are in > the $800.00 class but they are available. > I saw them at www.crutchfield.com > > > Bob Willman > Bowling Green, Ohio > The Eagle's Anvil > WB8NQW > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 13:50:40 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:50:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options Message-ID: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. Arnie & Jim have mentioned going to Baraboo the week before Portland, and we may have a look at that, but any other interesting sights we should think about ?? Looking at arriving on the 15th and departing around the 26th. Suggestions welcomed. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 4 15:18:06 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:18:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Baraboo is August 15-17. See ya, Arnie On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at > flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few > days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. > > Arnie & Jim have mentioned going to Baraboo the week before Portland, > and we may have a look at that, but any other interesting sights we > should think about ?? From alharris44 at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 14:43:48 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:43:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <477EA4F0.8090304@steamengine.com.au> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <477E0924.9060100@steamengine.com.au> <000801c84eda$5d9f57e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> <477EA4F0.8090304@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <477EB6A4.5080502@gmail.com> Hey Paul, 24:14:17 to go. Like counting down for Xmas. :-) Cheers, Al Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Just another quickie... unrelated to TV - who knows that CDMA telephones > are being turned off at the end of this month in this country? > From alharris44 at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 14:45:22 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:45:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <477EA4F0.8090304@steamengine.com.au> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <477E0924.9060100@steamengine.com.au> <000801c84eda$5d9f57e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> <477EA4F0.8090304@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <477EB702.1050105@gmail.com> Someone turn that 24 into 23 on the way past pls. :-( Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Just another quickie... unrelated to TV - who knows that CDMA telephones > are being turned off at the end of this month in this country? > > Regards > Paul From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Jan 4 15:19:46 2008 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:19:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001201c84f28$4cbb2b40$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> I want to see it there Russell, Have a Happy New Year. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:52 PM Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! > Enough of all this OT all talk no action crap!! How about celebrating > with me as I just got the piston out of the Campbell tonight !! > :-) yeeeehaaaa Have been working away slowly at it over the past > couple of weeks. have been getting it to move about 1/4 in each time > I have a play, well the sucker is 13 inches long and looks real > pretty sitting in the block. I took a few pick and will get em up in > a few days! > > It's now 10.50pm (Ive been at work all day but just had to go over > the shed for another engine play) and time for a well earned beer, > cheers, Russell > > PS: this old girl is looking real good for the next National > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From astfgl at iamnota.org Fri Jan 4 16:29:36 2008 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:29:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <1095.12.223.26.26.1199456018.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> <1095.12.223.26.26.1199456018.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <477ECF70.8070106@iamnota.org> bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > What do the list's Linux users use for email, etc? > I may switch rather than go to Vista (uugghh) Depending on which machine I'm on and what I want to do, I use Seamonkey as my all-in-one browser/email client, or Firefox/Thunderbird when I want slightly more modern single purpose apps. I do most of my work in an xterm, but I don't use a terminal based mail reader any more - I rarely find myself without a GUI these days, and on the those occasions I just grep ^Subject: ~/Maildir/new/* for things to less. Back in the day, I used nn for news. I run my own IMAP server, not POP, which means that I can jump between different clients on different hosts and not lose messages. Oh, and filters are set up on the server, so client configuration is kept to a minimum. Now that GMail is offering IMAP access, I'm recommending that as a long-term email hosting solution to my users. You get the best of all worlds, as they give you over 6Gb of email storage, you can read your mail from any browser if you're on the road and your IMAP client can be told to download local copies of some or all folders so you can still read your old messages when you're offline. As to switching, I recommend Kubuntu. You can run it from the CDROM without installing on your hard disk, and even tell it to store your settings on a file in your windows disk so you can use it for a while and not start from scratch every time you boot up. Running from the CDROM is a little slower than running from hard disk, but once programs are loaded into memory, it's full speed. The reason I recommend Kubuntu rather than Ubuntu is that the KDE interface is much, much more familiar than Gnome for someone coming from a Windows GUI. You can download a CD image to burn by going to http://www.kubuntu.org and navigating to a download mirror close to you. The file most people want is kubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso As to running windows-only applications, I have a VMWare image which I boot up if I ever need to run anything. The last time I needed it was about 6 months ago to run the firmware uploader for my old ebook reader... glen. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Jan 4 20:15:18 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:15:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' Message-ID: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Paul ,do you think it will happen ,both my wife and I have next G or whatever they call the bloody things ,they are useless out of major areas. The CDMA is in the drawer ,out of contract The CDMA was fine .If CDMA is switched off then the outcry from the rural areas will be deafening.I hear of so many stories about some one on the tractor trying to ring the homestead and cant connect and vice versa. I don't want to start but i am really pissed off at what's happening in this country.An example .....the other day in Perth ,heat wave conditions ,bloody bush fires all over the place and a shutdown at one of the off shore gas platforms .Woodside reduce the gas flow down the pipeline so the Energy Supplier asks people to turn off their a/c .other wise there will be power outages.Next we hear a bloody government minister [Minister for energy, state government] rings the overseas owner of a big fertiliser plant on the Burrup Peninsular [ NW Australia] to ask him if we can have some of our gas back for the local power stations[ all gas fired] otherwise there will be shutdowns!Meanwhile we are exporting the bloody stuff to the Chinese. As you would well know Paul heat waves are rare in Albany. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jan 4 20:25:21 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:25:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <20080105042509.YWGK24011.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Great stuff Russell. I look forward to seeing it at the National rally. It will be a nice engine. Now the problem is, what am I going to take to the National? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Enough of all this OT all talk no action crap!! How about celebrating with me as I just got the piston out of the Campbell tonight !! :-) yeeeehaaaa Have been working away slowly at it over the past couple of weeks. have been getting it to move about 1/4 in each time I have a play, well the sucker is 13 inches long and looks real pretty sitting in the block. I took a few pick and will get em up in a few days! It's now 10.50pm (Ive been at work all day but just had to go over the shed for another engine play) and time for a well earned beer, cheers, Russell PS: this old girl is looking real good for the next National Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jan 4 20:44:20 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:44:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001601c84f55$a5a86470$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Its already turned off where my kids live in Tassie. The new phone promised and paid for, never arrived, etc.etc. A week in the back country with no communication. And Telsta dont give a damn! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' > Paul ,do you think it will happen ,both my wife and I have next G or > whatever they call the bloody things ,they are useless out of major areas. > The CDMA is in the drawer ,out of contract > The CDMA was fine .If CDMA is switched off then the outcry from the rural > areas will be deafening.I hear of so many stories about some one on the > tractor trying to ring the homestead and cant connect and vice versa. > I don't want to start but i am really pissed off at what's happening in > this > country.An example .....the other day in Perth ,heat wave conditions > ,bloody > bush fires all over the place and a shutdown at one of the off shore gas > platforms .Woodside reduce the gas flow down the pipeline so the Energy > Supplier asks people to turn off their a/c .other wise there will be power > outages.Next we hear a bloody government minister [Minister for energy, > state government] rings the overseas owner of a big fertiliser plant on > the > Burrup Peninsular [ NW Australia] to ask him if we can have some of our > gas > back for the local power stations[ all gas fired] otherwise there will be > shutdowns!Meanwhile we are exporting the bloody stuff to the Chinese. > > As you would well know Paul heat waves are rare in Albany. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jan 4 20:47:28 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:47:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF what we pay for it? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 4 21:10:17 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:10:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' In-Reply-To: <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Dude, you been smoking gum tree leaves again? Do you have evidence to support your delusion? Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:47 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF > what we > pay for it? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jan 4 22:35:26 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:35:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <005b01c84f67$c1618a40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> We are paying 80+ cents at the bowser. MORE if you get a bottle filled. Their price is below 40 cents. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' > Dude, you been smoking gum tree leaves again? > Do you have evidence to support your delusion? > > > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:47 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: >> Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF >> what we >> pay for it? > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Jan 4 23:03:45 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:03:45 +1300 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <008801c84f69$1d138cc0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter my uncle used to run the solar power plant in white cliffs in the australian outback it was a very successful scheme it powered up the local town and surplus was sold back to the grid cant understand why they are not using more solar power plants its renewable and less costly to recover than gas ideal in hot dry areas. He used to live underground to get out of the hot temperatures if he needed more room he would dig out another bedroom had quite a cool home.I heard of one chap in britain fired up a stationary engine a diesel fueled one and runs a generator to power up his own electricty he also is running the old lister on biodiesel old cooking fat which doesnt cost him anything.Might be a good idea to have a back up plan regarding water and electricty or energy these are all going to become scarcities in the future we are seeing the same here even in a temperate climate in a farming district as farm operations get bigger and more intensive.Has more to do with demand the question would be who is using the large portions of power and my guess is that its large scale industrial that are sucking the bulk of the electricty to the detriment of the general public would be worth asking that question to the local mps just to get a response on that one brent nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' > Paul ,do you think it will happen ,both my wife and I have next G or > whatever they call the bloody things ,they are useless out of major areas. > The CDMA is in the drawer ,out of contract > The CDMA was fine .If CDMA is switched off then the outcry from the rural > areas will be deafening.I hear of so many stories about some one on the > tractor trying to ring the homestead and cant connect and vice versa. > I don't want to start but i am really pissed off at what's happening in this > country.An example .....the other day in Perth ,heat wave conditions ,bloody > bush fires all over the place and a shutdown at one of the off shore gas > platforms .Woodside reduce the gas flow down the pipeline so the Energy > Supplier asks people to turn off their a/c .other wise there will be power > outages.Next we hear a bloody government minister [Minister for energy, > state government] rings the overseas owner of a big fertiliser plant on the > Burrup Peninsular [ NW Australia] to ask him if we can have some of our gas > back for the local power stations[ all gas fired] otherwise there will be > shutdowns!Meanwhile we are exporting the bloody stuff to the Chinese. > > As you would well know Paul heat waves are rare in Albany. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM > > From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 4 23:59:32 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:59:32 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' In-Reply-To: <005b01c84f67$c1618a40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <005b01c84f67$c1618a40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001701c84f70$e8139cb0$b83ad610$@net.au> Their price is below 40 cents? Try less than 10 cents. I've camped often on an island off Dampier and watched shiploads of it leave for China. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2008 3:35 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' We are paying 80+ cents at the bowser. MORE if you get a bottle filled. Their price is below 40 cents. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' > Dude, you been smoking gum tree leaves again? > Do you have evidence to support your delusion? > > > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:47 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: >> Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF >> what we >> pay for it? > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 5 01:53:13 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:53:13 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' In-Reply-To: References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <477F5389.20609@optusnet.com.au> Rob Skinner wrote: > Dude, you been smoking gum tree leaves again? > Do you have evidence to support your delusion? > > > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California === Rob, what evidence have you (in California of all places!) to claim that this statemant is a "delusion"? Jack === From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 5 09:10:40 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:10:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' In-Reply-To: <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <1199553040.477fba103a6bc@webmail.city-net.com> Cos the Chinese are better negotiators? Quoting R & M Ingold : > Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF what we > pay for it? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 5 09:44:42 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:44:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina Message-ID: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com> FYI ----- Forwarded message from Jim Dunmyer ----- Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 11:47:35 -0500 From: Jim Dunmyer Reply-To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org If anyone is interested, please contact Becky directly. <> <> <> <> <> ----- Original Message ----- From: becky e To: jim dunmyer Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina hi jim my name is becky, my daddy (69) past away in sept. he has a old sawmill that looks alot like yours that i found on the old iron webpage, he also has an big ole iron plainer(huge) that runs off of an engine from some kind of big truck, we (my 3 other sisters) are thinking about selling it if we can find a buyer, i have pictures if ya would like to take a look.i have been on the computor for 3 months, off and on looking for a sawmill like his and come to find out there aint many, and us not knowing the diffrence, thought that a sawmill was like his, no wonder this was a hobby of his, sorry to say some of the things that was under the sawmill shed, we didnt know what they were and some things went to the scrap iron yard, now looking back makes my stomach a little sick, so for now i have put a screaching halt to any thing else going away, you are the first person, that i have contacted, and will wait to hear from you before i make another move, or if by chance you might know some one who would like to buy it, we live in Lee county,(bishopville) south carolina ya know the land of cotton. so if ya can will you reply one way or the other. thanks for your time. p.s. we always said that if you cut daddy in half, he would bleed saw dust!! good day, becky e-mail= four_ever_dreamin at yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ----- End forwarded message ----- From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Jan 5 09:48:46 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:48:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' In-Reply-To: <477F5389.20609@optusnet.com.au> References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <477F5389.20609@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <9DE7145D-9D7C-4567-AF4B-CE6075115286@rustyiron.com> Please excuse my faux pas, man. That was supposed to be directly to Reggie, off list. Rob On Jan 5, 2008, at 1:53 AM, Jack Watson wrote: > Rob, what evidence have you (in California of all places!) to claim > that > this statemant is a "delusion"? > Jack From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Jan 5 10:00:56 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:00:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' In-Reply-To: <1199553040.477fba103a6bc@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <1199553040.477fba103a6bc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080105125253.030bd1b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Because they probably use a heck of a lot more and guaranteed huge quantity delivery talks in negotiations. Also last I heard the Chinese were opening a new coal fired power plant at a rate of 1 every 3 days. They are using a whale of a lot of fossil fuels to power their growing economy. Mark At 12:10 PM 1/5/08, you wrote: >Cos the Chinese are better negotiators? > >Quoting R & M Ingold : > > > Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF > what we > > pay for it? > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 5 10:48:17 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:48:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <1199553040.477fba103a6bc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <006301c84fcb$89cb8130$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I think the insinuation is something a bit more Machiavellian than that . > Cos the Chinese are better negotiators? > > Quoting R & M Ingold : > >> Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF what >> we >> pay for it? From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sat Jan 5 14:28:34 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:28:34 +1300 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <1199553040.477fba103a6bc@webmail.city-net.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080105125253.030bd1b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <011301c84fea$4f9d7580$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Financially who would sell there produce at such a low margins unless there were some other trade agreement thrown in.there must be more to this story brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' > Because they probably use a heck of a lot more and guaranteed huge quantity > delivery talks in negotiations. > Also last I heard the Chinese were opening a new coal fired power plant at > a rate of 1 every 3 days. They are using a whale of a lot of fossil fuels > to power their growing economy. Mark > > > > At 12:10 PM 1/5/08, you wrote: > >Cos the Chinese are better negotiators? > > > >Quoting R & M Ingold : > > > > > Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF > > what we > > > pay for it? > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 5 14:31:28 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:31:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice Repro C.H.&E. Muffler on eBay Message-ID: <1199572288.478005408319b@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, These are hard to find. Hey Joe Prindle, is that one of the ones you made? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=350011182627 See ya, Arnie From MBellar at aol.com Sat Jan 5 15:54:05 2008 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:54:05 EST Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine Message-ID: After looking for a 2 hp Famous engine for the past 5 years, I found one in time for Christmas that I could afford. It has had a rough past in that a previous owner started to restore it, but unfortunately he ran out of interest/money/health. A long story short, the person that I bought it from purchased it in a bushel basket at an executors sale. Other than a few missing nuts, bolts, tanks and plumbing the bushel basket appears to contain enough repairable parts to assemble an operational engine. As with most vertical Famous engines the cylinder jug and water pump bracket have been brazed or welded and it had been repainted with a broom. To date, I have removed the old paint, removed broken-off bolts and pipe fittings and fabricated a number of bolts and studs. Fortunately for me I have a Starbolt reprint of the I.H.C. "Directions for the Vertical Tank-Cooled Gasoline Engines" which shows many details and part numbers for the engine some of which are confusing because one poor quality picture/drawing contradicts another. I suppose what I may be seeing is the differences between the 4 different engines covered in the reprint. I wonder if I could get input from the List members as to where I can get additional detailed information ( web site?) for my 1908 vintage 2 hp vertical screen cooled Famous. The only awshit I have found to date is an old repair on the lower crank pin box. It appears that at some time the shims were removed and the rod bolts were tightened to the point that the lower journal fractured as it was drawn around the crankshaft. The break was brazed and refitted to the crankshaft with babbitt. I repoured the babbitt and scraped the box to fit. What do you think is this a good repair, or should I try to find a replacement crank pin box #GB1060. Thank you for any help; Tom Bellar SW Ohio **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jan 5 16:34:20 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:34:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina In-Reply-To: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <7D8C8478-8390-413F-BFA4-AF980D59C930@alltel.net> Arnie, Are you sure becky is from SC? She sounds like a chick I knew in my younger days who lived in WV! Good head--but not on her shoulders! Dave > hi jim > my name is becky, my daddy (69) past away in sept. he has a old > sawmill that > looks alot like yours that i found on the old iron webpage, he also > has an big > ole iron plainer(huge) that runs off of an engine from some kind of > big truck, > we (my 3 other sisters) are thinking about selling it if we can > find a buyer, i > have pictures if ya would like to take a look.i have been on the > computor for 3 > months, off and on looking for a sawmill like his and come to find > out there > aint many, and us not knowing the diffrence, thought that a > sawmill was like > his, no wonder this was a hobby of his, sorry to say some of the > things that > was under the sawmill shed, we didnt know what they were and some > things went > to the scrap iron yard, now looking back makes my stomach a little > sick, so for > now i have put a screaching halt to any thing else going away, you > are the > first person, that i have contacted, and will wait to hear from you > before i > make another move, or if by chance you might know some one who > would like to > buy it, we live in Lee county,(bishopville) south carolina ya know > the land of > cotton. so if ya can will you reply one way or the other. thanks > for your > time. > p.s. we always said that if you cut daddy in half, he would > bleed saw > dust!! > > good > day, becky > e-mail= four_ever_dreamin at yahoo.com From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Jan 5 16:54:26 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:54:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina In-Reply-To: <7D8C8478-8390-413F-BFA4-AF980D59C930@alltel.net> References: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com> <7D8C8478-8390-413F-BFA4-AF980D59C930@alltel.net> Message-ID: <478026C2.9060907@steamengine.com.au> No teeth I'm guessing :) David Rotigel wrote: > Arnie, Are you sure becky is from SC? She sounds like a chick I knew > in my younger days who lived in WV! Good head--but not on her shoulders! > Dave > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 5 17:25:26 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:25:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina In-Reply-To: <7D8C8478-8390-413F-BFA4-AF980D59C930@alltel.net> References: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com> <7D8C8478-8390-413F-BFA4-AF980D59C930@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1199582726.47802e069cad6@webmail.city-net.com> No comment... Quoting David Rotigel : > Arnie, Are you sure becky is from SC? She sounds like a chick I knew > in my younger days who lived in WV! Good head--but not on her shoulders! > Dave > > > my name is becky, my daddy (69) past away in sept. he has a old > > sawmill that From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sat Jan 5 19:12:16 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:12:16 +1300 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine References: Message-ID: <006401c85011$f14869e0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Tom what a great find good that there are enough parts to make it a runner sounds like you will have it chugging along in no time. brent ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > After looking for a 2 hp Famous engine for the past 5 years, I found one in > time for Christmas that I could afford. It has had a rough past in that a > previous owner started to restore it, but unfortunately he ran out of > interest/money/health. A long story short, the person that I bought it from purchased > it in a bushel basket at an executors sale. Other than a few missing nuts, > bolts, tanks and plumbing the bushel basket appears to contain enough repairable > parts to assemble an operational engine. As with most vertical Famous > engines the cylinder jug and water pump bracket have been brazed or welded and it > had been repainted with a broom. To date, I have removed the old paint, > removed broken-off bolts and pipe fittings and fabricated a number of bolts and > studs. Fortunately for me I have a Starbolt reprint of the I.H.C. "Directions > for the Vertical Tank-Cooled Gasoline Engines" which shows many details and > part numbers for the engine some of which are confusing because one poor quality > picture/drawing contradicts another. I suppose what I may be seeing is the > differences between the 4 different engines covered in the reprint. I wonder > if I could get input from the List members as to where I can get additional > detailed information ( web site?) for my 1908 vintage 2 hp vertical screen > cooled Famous. > The only awshit I have found to date is an old repair on the lower crank pin > box. It appears that at some time the shims were removed and the rod bolts > were tightened to the point that the lower journal fractured as it was drawn > around the crankshaft. The break was brazed and refitted to the crankshaft > with babbitt. I repoured the babbitt and scraped the box to fit. What do you > think is this a good repair, or should I try to find a replacement crank pin box > #GB1060. > Thank you for any help; > > Tom Bellar SW Ohio > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sat Jan 5 19:13:49 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:13:49 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina References: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <007f01c85012$2b96b6b0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Jim nice of you to pass on to interested members i just passed my condolences on to the family regards brent ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:44 AM Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina > FYI > > ----- Forwarded message from Jim Dunmyer ----- > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 11:47:35 -0500 > From: Jim Dunmyer > Reply-To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > > If anyone is interested, please contact Becky directly. > > <> > > <> > <> > <> > > <> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: becky e > To: jim dunmyer > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:38 PM > Subject: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina > > > hi jim > my name is becky, my daddy (69) past away in sept. he has a old sawmill that > looks alot like yours that i found on the old iron webpage, he also has an big > ole iron plainer(huge) that runs off of an engine from some kind of big truck, > we (my 3 other sisters) are thinking about selling it if we can find a buyer, i > have pictures if ya would like to take a look.i have been on the computor for 3 > months, off and on looking for a sawmill like his and come to find out there > aint many, and us not knowing the diffrence, thought that a sawmill was like > his, no wonder this was a hobby of his, sorry to say some of the things that > was under the sawmill shed, we didnt know what they were and some things went > to the scrap iron yard, now looking back makes my stomach a little sick, so for > now i have put a screaching halt to any thing else going away, you are the > first person, that i have contacted, and will wait to hear from you before i > make another move, or if by chance you might know some one who would like to > buy it, we live in Lee county,(bishopville) south carolina ya know the land of > cotton. so if ya can will you reply one way or the other. thanks for your > time. > p.s. we always said that if you cut daddy in half, he would bleed saw > dust!! > good > day, becky > e-mail= four_ever_dreamin at yahoo.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 03:43:36 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:43:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> On 04/01/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at > flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few > days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. Thanks to Arnie, Gary, George and Jim for the help with details. Flights have been booked, we cannot do both Baraboo and Buckley, so because the distances are less, we have opted for Buckley. This leaves us a couple of days to look at thing in the way down the state towards Muncie: La Porte County Historical Society Museum Wolf Park, Battle Ground, IN. Skinner Farm Museum (We'll miss the gas engine show) Perrysville IN. Found the National Model Aviation Museum in Muncie, didn't know that was there, so a visit is planned. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Jan 6 05:08:10 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:08:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine References: Message-ID: <012001c85065$31096f40$11d64c0c@D48VHZ61> There have been a couple of these in GEM over the last few years. One of them was a rather well written restoration account. Unfortunatley, John Hamnik (spelling?) is no longer with us. He was quite knowledgable on these. He pointed out that mine (1905) was a stationary engine and used user supplied gas and cooling tanks, and I believe muffler/exhaust plumbing also. Of course the local loudmouths tried to tell me otherwise but then again they only looked at pictures in the BYB and became instant experts. Same story with my 4hp. Don Oberholtzer (spelling?) supplied me with reproduction fuel pump, check valves, mixer, and muffler. I don't know how knowledgable he is about your engine, but he can probably point you to someone who is. Try this link hometown.aol.com/agee1/ One thing I did notice about mine is the part numbers cast into various parts are done so very poorly. When trying to properly identify something I would have to make 2-3 guesses as to what the part number was. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 6:54 PM Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > After looking for a 2 hp Famous engine for the past 5 years, I found one > in > time for Christmas that I could afford. It has had a rough past in that a > previous owner started to restore it, but unfortunately he ran out of > interest/money/health. A long story short, the person that I bought it > from purchased > it in a bushel basket at an executors sale. Other than a few missing > nuts, > bolts, tanks and plumbing the bushel basket appears to contain enough > repairable > parts to assemble an operational engine. As with most vertical Famous > engines the cylinder jug and water pump bracket have been brazed or > welded and it > had been repainted with a broom. To date, I have removed the old paint, > removed broken-off bolts and pipe fittings and fabricated a number of > bolts and > studs. Fortunately for me I have a Starbolt reprint of the I.H.C. > "Directions > for the Vertical Tank-Cooled Gasoline Engines" which shows many details > and > part numbers for the engine some of which are confusing because one poor > quality > picture/drawing contradicts another. I suppose what I may be seeing is > the > differences between the 4 different engines covered in the reprint. I > wonder > if I could get input from the List members as to where I can get > additional > detailed information ( web site?) for my 1908 vintage 2 hp vertical > screen > cooled Famous. > The only awshit I have found to date is an old repair on the lower crank > pin > box. It appears that at some time the shims were removed and the rod bolts > were tightened to the point that the lower journal fractured as it was > drawn > around the crankshaft. The break was brazed and refitted to the > crankshaft > with babbitt. I repoured the babbitt and scraped the box to fit. What do > you > think is this a good repair, or should I try to find a replacement crank > pin box > #GB1060. > Thank you for any help; > > Tom Bellar SW Ohio > > > > From clemsweller at etczone.com Sun Jan 6 05:51:15 2008 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:51:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> There is a nice sized engine show in Greensburg Indiana the weekend before Portland. It is about 1 hour south of Muncie Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:44 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options On 04/01/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at > flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few > days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. Thanks to Arnie, Gary, George and Jim for the help with details. Flights have been booked, we cannot do both Baraboo and Buckley, so because the distances are less, we have opted for Buckley. This leaves us a couple of days to look at thing in the way down the state towards Muncie: La Porte County Historical Society Museum Wolf Park, Battle Ground, IN. Skinner Farm Museum (We'll miss the gas engine show) Perrysville IN. Found the National Model Aviation Museum in Muncie, didn't know that was there, so a visit is planned. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 11:46 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 11:46 AM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 07:20:28 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:20:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801060720w61b66a51i221211a779f134d2@mail.gmail.com> On 06/01/2008, chuck emsweller wrote: > There is a nice sized engine show in Greensburg Indiana the weekend before > Portland. It is about 1 hour south of Muncie > > Chuck Emsweller Hi Chuck: There is so much to do, and so little time to do it in ! We have committed to the Buckley show now, and have booked motels etc., but many thanks for the information, we are not yet looking at 2009, but that will be noted. Many thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From clemsweller at etczone.com Sun Jan 6 08:48:31 2008 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:48:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801060720w61b66a51i221211a779f134d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> <6f6025160801060720w61b66a51i221211a779f134d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c85083$fb6160e0$f22422a0$@com> Not a problem Peter. Sounds like it should be a great trip. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:20 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options On 06/01/2008, chuck emsweller wrote: > There is a nice sized engine show in Greensburg Indiana the weekend before > Portland. It is about 1 hour south of Muncie > > Chuck Emsweller Hi Chuck: There is so much to do, and so little time to do it in ! We have committed to the Buckley show now, and have booked motels etc., but many thanks for the information, we are not yet looking at 2009, but that will be noted. Many thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 09:58:55 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:58:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <000301c85083$fb6160e0$f22422a0$@com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> <6f6025160801060720w61b66a51i221211a779f134d2@mail.gmail.com> <000301c85083$fb6160e0$f22422a0$@com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801060958j7b90bc2ei5a1be8bfe9f1c073@mail.gmail.com> On 06/01/2008, chuck emsweller wrote: > Not a problem Peter. Sounds like it should be a great trip. > > Chuck > There's a fair bit to do and see in the area, we have a short list of 11 places plus the two engine/tractor shows, so we should be kept fairly busy! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 10:58:54 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:58:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <249951.64341.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> YaHOO, Peter. What days of the show are you planning to be at Buckley? It will be great to see you there. I am looking forward to the show this year because I am going to do a whole different display. Stop by and chat. More info later. I am very easy to find at Buckley. There is only one windmill at Buckley. It is right in the Southeast corner of the grounds. That is where I am. The blades have been off the windmill for the last two years. It is a wooden tower. I plan to have one of my engines powering the pump with a pump-jack this year. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Listerdiesel wrote: On 04/01/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at > flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few > days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. Thanks to Arnie, Gary, George and Jim for the help with details. Flights have been booked, we cannot do both Baraboo and Buckley, so because the distances are less, we have opted for Buckley. This leaves us a couple of days to look at thing in the way down the state towards Muncie: La Porte County Historical Society Museum Wolf Park, Battle Ground, IN. Skinner Farm Museum (We'll miss the gas engine show) Perrysville IN. Found the National Model Aviation Museum in Muncie, didn't know that was there, so a visit is planned. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 12:14:54 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:14:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <249951.64341.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <249951.64341.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801061214va245239hf1b46ce89538f940@mail.gmail.com> On 06/01/2008, Alan Bowen wrote: > YaHOO, Peter. > > What days of the show are you planning to be at Buckley? > It will be great to see you there. > I am looking forward to the show this year because I am going to do a whole different display. Stop by and chat. More info later. > > I am very easy to find at Buckley. There is only one windmill at Buckley. > It is right in the Southeast corner of the grounds. That is where I am. > The blades have been off the windmill for the last two years. It is a wooden tower. I plan to have one of my engines powering the pump with a pump-jack this year. > > Alan Bowen Hi Alan: The schedule we have worked out gets us to the show on both the Friday and the Saturday, we are staying at the Super8 motel at Cadillac and travelling in each day, much as we do with Portland. We'll see you there! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun Jan 6 14:05:02 2008 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:05:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801060958j7b90bc2ei5a1be8bfe9f1c073@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> <6f6025160801060720w61b66a51i221211a779f134d2@mail.gmail.com> <000301c85083$fb6160e0$f22422a0$@com> <6f6025160801060958j7b90bc2ei5a1be8bfe9f1c073@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4781508E.4000501@xplornet.com> Hello Peter, Are you sure "fairly busy" is the right words? I couldn't find enough time in the day when when we visited your country last August/September. The Dorcet show was fantastic. So were the museums in London, Salisbury, Bath, Bristol, Manchester, York and specially the Iron Gorge. We only had a month to try to grasp it all so the pace was hectic. Have an excellent trip. Rupert Listerdiesel wrote: > There's a fair bit to do and see in the area, we have a short list of > 11 places plus the two engine/tractor shows, so we should be kept > fairly busy! > > Peter -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 6 14:27:32 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:27:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801061214va245239hf1b46ce89538f940@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <249951.64341.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160801061214va245239hf1b46ce89538f940@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199658452.478155d4613bd@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Peter, Is Rita's sister joining you guys again this year? See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > The schedule we have worked out gets us to the show on both the Friday > and the Saturday, we are staying at the Super8 motel at Cadillac and > travelling in each day, much as we do with Portland. From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Jan 6 14:57:25 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:57:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> Message-ID: <00a701c850b7$81518620$0302a8c0@Ed> Chuck, Do you have a link for more information about the Greensburg show? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options > There is a nice sized engine show in Greensburg Indiana the weekend before > Portland. It is about 1 hour south of Muncie > > Chuck Emsweller > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:44 AM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine > Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options > > On 04/01/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: >> It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at >> flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few >> days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. > > Thanks to Arnie, Gary, George and Jim for the help with details. > > Flights have been booked, we cannot do both Baraboo and Buckley, so > because the distances are less, we have opted for Buckley. This leaves > us a couple of days to look at thing in the way down the state towards > Muncie: > > La Porte County Historical Society Museum > Wolf Park, Battle Ground, IN. > Skinner Farm Museum (We'll miss the gas engine show) Perrysville IN. > > Found the National Model Aviation Museum in Muncie, didn't know that > was there, so a visit is planned. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 > 11:46 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 > 11:46 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From clemsweller at etczone.com Sun Jan 6 16:23:32 2008 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:23:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <00a701c850b7$81518620$0302a8c0@Ed> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> <00a701c850b7$81518620$0302a8c0@Ed> Message-ID: <007001c850c3$89295010$9b7bf030$@com> Yes, look at www.greensburgpowerofthepast.org There is normally a good representation of Oil Field and small engines, a fair number of Steam Engines and lots of tractors. Friday and Saturday are the best days. Lot of the engine folk pull out Sat evening and head for Portland. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed stoller Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options Chuck, Do you have a link for more information about the Greensburg show? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options > There is a nice sized engine show in Greensburg Indiana the weekend before > Portland. It is about 1 hour south of Muncie > > Chuck Emsweller > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:44 AM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine > Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options > > On 04/01/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: >> It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at >> flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few >> days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. > > Thanks to Arnie, Gary, George and Jim for the help with details. > > Flights have been booked, we cannot do both Baraboo and Buckley, so > because the distances are less, we have opted for Buckley. This leaves > us a couple of days to look at thing in the way down the state towards > Muncie: > > La Porte County Historical Society Museum > Wolf Park, Battle Ground, IN. > Skinner Farm Museum (We'll miss the gas engine show) Perrysville IN. > > Found the National Model Aviation Museum in Muncie, didn't know that > was there, so a visit is planned. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 > 11:46 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 > 11:46 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 19:17:17 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:17:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <007001c850c3$89295010$9b7bf030$@com> Message-ID: <536168.46883.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That looks like a nice little show. By "little" I mean, "Not Too Big." That pulling out Saturday evening seems to be a normal thing for shows just before Portland. It happens at Buckley too. How about Baraboo? I stay until the show ends at Buckley. The 2007 show really showed me a good reason to stay until the end. Twenty minutes before the official end of the show I saw a teenage girl a long way off dragging her father towards my display. My guess would say she was 15 years old. The Herc. was shut down. The belt was laying on the ground. The corn sheller was resting. I still had 2 1/2 bushels of ear corn to shell. When she got her dad to my sheller he started "explaining" how it all worked. I just went over to the Hercules S and primed the mixer, shut the choke, retarded the timing and grabbed the flywheels. I said, "Okay, this flip of the flywheels will pull fuel into the cylinder." I pulled them over and got just a little puff. Then I grabbed them again and said, " Get ready, This time it will start." She gave a little squeal when it fired right up. I picked up the belt and wrapped it around the sheller's pulley and then slipped it on the engine's pulley. As the corn sheller came up to speed she was ready. Definitely a gal slowly growing out of ADHD. She was so excited to feed that sheller. It was fun watching her. I really believed her when she told me the only reason she begged her Dad to bring her to the show was so she could feed my sheller. She remembered it from the year before. I would have let her go through the whole 1 1/2 bushels, but her dad pulled her away after she had done the 1/2 bushel and was just starting into the one below it. She reluctantly walked away,,,,,,, Then came running back to put in a couple more. 8>))))) If I had packed up and left like most people in that area I would have missed seeing that gal have all that fun. Only about seven out of seventy displays in that area stay until after the parade on Sunday. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan chuck emsweller wrote: Yes, look at www.greensburgpowerofthepast.org There is normally a good representation of Oil Field and small engines, a fair number of Steam Engines and lots of tractors. Friday and Saturday are the best days. Lot of the engine folk pull out Sat evening and head for Portland. Chuck --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 23:25:19 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:25:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <1199658452.478155d4613bd@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <249951.64341.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160801061214va245239hf1b46ce89538f940@mail.gmail.com> <1199658452.478155d4613bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801062325i29382d6eh70fa0379a18886dd@mail.gmail.com> On 06/01/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Is Rita's sister joining you guys again this year? > > See ya, Arnie > Not for the Portland trip unfortunately, but they will both be with me in October when we come over again to San Francisco, it's the twin's 60th birthday treat. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 23:31:54 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:31:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <4781508E.4000501@xplornet.com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> <6f6025160801060720w61b66a51i221211a779f134d2@mail.gmail.com> <000301c85083$fb6160e0$f22422a0$@com> <6f6025160801060958j7b90bc2ei5a1be8bfe9f1c073@mail.gmail.com> <4781508E.4000501@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801062331m6202f0e5pee74cb4793f57936@mail.gmail.com> On 06/01/2008, Rupert wrote: > Hello Peter, > Are you sure "fairly busy" is the right words? > > I couldn't find enough time in the day when when we visited your > country last August/September. The Dorcet show was fantastic. So were > the museums in London, Salisbury, Bath, Bristol, Manchester, York and > specially the Iron Gorge. We only had a month to try to grasp it all so > the pace was hectic. > Have an excellent trip. > > Rupert We haven't seen all of the UK yet, and we live here! The main problem is the driving distances. You can get from one end of the UK to the other in less than 800 miles, while in the USA you can get that mileage crossing a couple of states. We'll be doing a big circuit, furthest North will be Buckley, then we drive down to Mishawaka, then Lafayette, then across to Muncie for Portland, then down and across to Dayton, back to Muncie again and then back up to Detroit for the flight home. We normally cover about 2000miles or so. Michigan, Ohio and Indiana have lots of things to keep us busy. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jan 7 01:47:04 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:47:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Novo parts wanted in Oz Message-ID: <000d01c85112$42adb280$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I have been talking to a guy in Townsville, Queensland who has been helping me with a vintage train problem for my Dad's club. We got talking about things and he has engines also and is after a water hopper for a 1 1/2hp Novo, he is sending me the serial number as I know nothing about Novos. Can anyone help please? I probably would prefer Aussie help at this stage.!! Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From clemsweller at etczone.com Mon Jan 7 02:15:56 2008 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:15:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <536168.46883.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <007001c850c3$89295010$9b7bf030$@com> <536168.46883.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c85116$4af6d580$e0e48080$@com> Alan, You hit it pretty much on the head. We enjoy the Greensburg show quite a bit. As for staying till the end, when my Dad, brother Rick and I display at a show, we like to be one of the first ones there and the last ones to leave. Got to love it. My brother puts up a water display using old wooden water pipe. All the kids love it, so I know what you mean on the sheller. We also like to let others help start our engines as well. Between the three of us we typically take 3 oil field and 3-6 smaller engines to the local shows. Dad and I were out working on a 1 1/2 horse Fairbanks Headless I found at an auction on New Year's Day. Should have it up and ready for the April shows. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:17 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options That looks like a nice little show. By "little" I mean, "Not Too Big." That pulling out Saturday evening seems to be a normal thing for shows just before Portland. It happens at Buckley too. How about Baraboo? I stay until the show ends at Buckley. The 2007 show really showed me a good reason to stay until the end. Twenty minutes before the official end of the show I saw a teenage girl a long way off dragging her father towards my display. My guess would say she was 15 years old. The Herc. was shut down. The belt was laying on the ground. The corn sheller was resting. I still had 2 1/2 bushels of ear corn to shell. When she got her dad to my sheller he started "explaining" how it all worked. I just went over to the Hercules S and primed the mixer, shut the choke, retarded the timing and grabbed the flywheels. I said, "Okay, this flip of the flywheels will pull fuel into the cylinder." I pulled them over and got just a little puff. Then I grabbed them again and said, " Get ready, This time it will start." She gave a little squeal when it fired right up. I picked up the belt and wrapped it around the sheller's pulley and then slipped it on the engine's pulley. As the corn sheller came up to speed she was ready. Definitely a gal slowly growing out of ADHD. She was so excited to feed that sheller. It was fun watching her. I really believed her when she told me the only reason she begged her Dad to bring her to the show was so she could feed my sheller. She remembered it from the year before. I would have let her go through the whole 1 1/2 bushels, but her dad pulled her away after she had done the 1/2 bushel and was just starting into the one below it. She reluctantly walked away,,,,,,, Then came running back to put in a couple more. 8>))))) If I had packed up and left like most people in that area I would have missed seeing that gal have all that fun. Only about seven out of seventy displays in that area stay until after the parade on Sunday. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan chuck emsweller wrote: Yes, look at www.greensburgpowerofthepast.org There is normally a good representation of Oil Field and small engines, a fair number of Steam Engines and lots of tractors. Friday and Saturday are the best days. Lot of the engine folk pull out Sat evening and head for Portland. 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Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jan 7 03:12:37 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:12:37 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina References: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com><7D8C8478-8390-413F-BFA4-AF980D59C930@alltel.net> <1199582726.47802e069cad6@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <003d01c8511e$3a4d1ca0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Is there some relevance in Becky's old man falling off the perch at 69? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina > No comment... > > Quoting David Rotigel : > >> Arnie, Are you sure becky is from SC? She sounds like a chick I knew >> in my younger days who lived in WV! Good head--but not on her shoulders! >> Dave >> >> > my name is becky, my daddy (69) past away in sept. he has a old >> > sawmill that > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jan 7 14:49:55 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:49:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <536168.46883.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <536168.46883.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Alan Bowen wrote: > That pulling out Saturday evening seems to be a normal thing for shows > just before Portland. It happens at Buckley too. How about Baraboo? There are some folks who are pulling out Saturday afternoon, and more who are pulling out Sunday. I usually start loading up just after lunch with an eye to being on the road between 4 and 5. We usually drive till around 9 pm or so and get a motel then finish the drive to Portland Monday morning. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From MBellar at aol.com Mon Jan 7 16:08:43 2008 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:08:43 EST Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 1/6/2008 8:14:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: There have been a couple of these in GEM over the last few years. One of them was a rather well written restoration account. Unfortunatley, John Hamnik (spelling?) is no longer with us. He was quite knowledgable on these. He pointed out that mine (1905) was a stationary engine and used user supplied gas and cooling tanks, and I believe muffler/exhaust plumbing also. Of course the local loudmouths tried to tell me otherwise but then again they only looked at pictures in the BYB and became instant experts. Same story with my 4hp. Don Oberholtzer (spelling?) supplied me with reproduction fuel pump, check valves, mixer, and muffler. I don't know how knowledgable he is about your engine, but he can probably point you to someone who is. Try this link hometown.aol.com/agee1/ One thing I did notice about mine is the part numbers cast into various parts are done so very poorly. When trying to properly identify something I would have to make 2-3 guesses as to what the part number was. John Hall John; Thank you for the reply to my message. I have been in contact with Don Oberholtzer and he is going to rebuild my igniter and water pump. I have the GEM articles you mentioned. It was usually mild today (70's) so I got the etching primer on my engine. (Shade tree painter no heated shop) It looks good even if it is only primer green. Tom Bellar SW Ohio where it was +10 deg. F last week and + 72 today **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 17:48:38 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:48:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <382544.61768.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That would work out great from Buckley. 1. It is only about six hours to Portland from Buckley. 2. The show is officially over when the parade ends on Sunday. Thursday through Saturday the parade lasts longer but some of the tractors and a lot of the garden tractors leave Saturday evening or first thing Sunday morning so the Sunday parade is usually over by 3:30 or so. Then as the crowd disperses I get 50 or so folks that want to look at what's left. By then if the weather is good my canopy is down, but my display is intact. I usually start to load at 4pm and am on the road by 5pm with a very full 8' X 16' trailer. I get home by six then go back the next day for our 24' travel trailer. I would love to find a deal on a pop-up trailer for shows farther away. Right now it is unload the truck then set up the cot in the back of the truck. Alan Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Alan, On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Alan Bowen wrote: > That pulling out Saturday evening seems to be a normal thing for shows > just before Portland. It happens at Buckley too. How about Baraboo? There are some folks who are pulling out Saturday afternoon, and more who are pulling out Sunday. I usually start loading up just after lunch with an eye to being on the road between 4 and 5. We usually drive till around 9 pm or so and get a motel then finish the drive to Portland Monday morning. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 7 18:48:06 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:48:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine References: Message-ID: <00a601c851a0$e62b6540$0df14c0c@D48VHZ61> Didn't realize Don rebuilt igniters. My engine is in serious need of an overhaul--hopefully rings will do the trick. The only thing holding me back is that it needs new mains as well and I just don't have time to get that deep into right now! John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > > In a message dated 1/6/2008 8:14:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: > > There have been a couple of these in GEM over the last few years. One of > them was a rather well written restoration account. > > Unfortunatley, John Hamnik (spelling?) is no longer with us. He was quite > knowledgable on these. He pointed out that mine (1905) was a stationary > engine and used user supplied gas and cooling tanks, and I believe > muffler/exhaust plumbing also. Of course the local loudmouths tried to > tell > me otherwise but then again they only looked at pictures in the BYB and > became instant experts. Same story with my 4hp. > > Don Oberholtzer (spelling?) supplied me with reproduction fuel pump, > check > valves, mixer, and muffler. I don't know how knowledgable he is about > your > engine, but he can probably point you to someone who is. Try this link > hometown.aol.com/agee1/ > > > One thing I did notice about mine is the part numbers cast into various > parts are done so very poorly. When trying to properly identify something > I > would have to make 2-3 guesses as to what the part number was. > > John Hall > > > > > John; > > Thank you for the reply to my message. I have been in contact with Don > Oberholtzer and he is going to rebuild my igniter and water pump. I have > the GEM > articles you mentioned. > > It was usually mild today (70's) so I got the etching primer on my > engine. > (Shade tree painter no heated shop) It looks good even if it is only > primer > green. > > Tom Bellar SW Ohio where it was +10 deg. F last week and + 72 today > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jan 8 04:17:35 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:17:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Babbit metal composition please Message-ID: <004501c851f0$73b9daa0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All We have been through this before in various forms, but I ask a question from THOSE WHO KNOW please. I am about to pour the bearings for my vertical R&V, these are not split bearings but hollow cylindrical bearings with no adjustment. I have melted out the old metal and I am assuming that it is not the original 103 years old Babbitt, knowing the condition of the flywheels and crankshaft. Should I assume that, well to be safe I will !! Now what composition of Babbitt should I use, should I trust the old bearings and re-use the metal or go with new clean stuff. I have a full bar of "copper free" Babbitt that was used on the steam engines at the sugar mill where I used to work, it was used on the gland packing on the engines, is this too soft. I have no idea what composition the new stuff I have is, only that it is Copper Free, but it is not as heavy as the stuff melted out of the old bearings. Does the old stuff have too much lead in it and too soft? I have used the Copper Free metal on my R&V Triumph Line engine and is seems OK. Remember these are not under load and only run at a few shows, but I do not want to have to pour them again. Modern oils are also better these days. I do not mind going out and buying a new bar of Babbitt if the more knowledgeable members here think I should. There are a few on the LIST who do know so please do not sit on the fence, guide me please either on or off the LIST. plowe at exemail.com.au This was from Wikipedia 90% tin 10% copper 89% tin 7% antimony 4% copper 80% lead 15% antimony 5% tin This is from Wikipedia looking under White Metal % Sn % Sb % Cu % Pb Applications 93 3.5 3.5 - Light and medium IC engine big end bearings 86 10.5 3.5 - Light and medium IC engine main bearings 80 11 3.0 6 General purpose heavy bearings (lead increases plasticity) 60 10 28.5 1.5 Heavy duty marine engine bearings, electrical machines 40 10 1.5 48.5 Low cost, general purpose, medium duty bearings What should I do mates. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From pcgray at zoominternet.net Tue Jan 8 13:17:47 2008 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:17:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> Peter- Babbitt is graded these days as ASTM-1, 2 and so on % Sn % Sb % Cu % Pb Applications ASTM-1 93 3.5 3.5 - Light and medium IC engine big end bearings ASTM-2 88 6 6 - Light and medium IC engine main bearings I have been using ASTM-2 for about 10 years now and am having good luck with it. I stay away from the stuff with lead in it; personal preference and melting the lead. The ASTM pours at ~750-830F. The Ford babbitt used in model Ts was ASTM1. The big thing is in preheating the mold area. I use a propane weed torch and one of those pocket infrared thermometers. I preheat to ~300F before I pour. This gives a nice "grip" of the surrounding metal on the bearing. The ASTM grade spots/scrapes in nicely - you can use a parting tool to scrape it in and form the radii. I buy mine from A1 babbitt in Denora PA and the last time I bought it, it was 6-7 bucks a pound with postage to US as I recall. The alloy turns nicely and bores well. I use carbide and HSS tools to machine. I have cast several bearings on ARACO and Myrick verticals "en'bloc" using a smoked alum mandrel oversized for 3-5 thou running clearance. The trick is to preheat the mandrel /crankcase, cast the bearing and then wrap a wet rag around the alum mandrel. This causes the mandrel to be tapped out easily forming a nice bearing. If you do not preheat/chill the mandrel, it can be a bugger to push out. The alum mandrel has a higher expansion than the block so it will contract more. I do not trust the old bearing materials- I use new stuff and save the melted out stuff for casting into cart wheels to make bearings. If I am going to all the trouble, then why not do the best I can...... you can contact me off list if you want pix or more info- All the best- Paul From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jan 8 15:22:00 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:22:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Louisville, MS -- Lineshaft available References: <000501c85230$c44456e0$6400a8c0@NEWCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <7DD3CCDC-2693-42B0-B19A-D699CD2CB0E4@rustyiron.com> This is all I know about it: > > This is a very interesting presentation - too much to take in one > visit! > > I live in Louisville, MS, an old town founded at the juncture of two > early trails shortly after the forcible removal of Choctaws to > Oklahoma. An antique store occupies about three old buildings, > including one which had some type of line-shaft driven machinery: I > have been told that it was a laundry. > > The line-shaft, bearings, sheaves and old-style electric motor of > unknown horsepower remain mounted in the building. The owners might > be willing to sell: I have no such information and I am not > authorized to speak for them. But it would be a pity if Jake the > junk man ( his real name!) got it to cut up for scrap. > > If you are interested, the address is: > > Becky's Antiques > > 221 W Main St > Louisville, MS 39339 > (662) 773-8272 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jan 8 16:56:39 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:56:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> > I do not trust the old bearing materials- I use new stuff and save the > melted out stuff for casting into cart wheels to make bearings. If I > am going to all the trouble, then why not do the best I can...... > Paul Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only lasted for 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! Dave From jbcast at charter.net Tue Jan 8 17:45:25 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:45:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20080108204526.3Q0ZX.738753.root@fepweb05> ---- David Rotigel wrote: > > I do not trust the old bearing materials- I use new stuff and save the > > melted out stuff for casting into cart wheels to make bearings. If I > > am going to all the trouble, then why not do the best I can...... > > Paul > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave Dave, I agree with Paul, but I would describe it as used babbit instead of old babbit. Re using babbit is questionable and too much work for the small price. J.B. From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jan 9 00:43:10 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:43:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> Message-ID: <005801c8529b$a9efc250$0601a8c0@altech> >> I do not trust the old bearing materials- I use new stuff and save the >> melted out stuff for casting into cart wheels to make bearings. If I >> am going to all the trouble, then why not do the best I can...... >> Paul > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave Settle down Oh Evil one. The old metal I referred to is unknown and I would bet my left nut NOT original in this case. I guess some of us try to slightly out do our forbears because of modern technology when it might not be necessary, but I hate having to do an engine twice. I could probably use straight lead, because the amount of use this engine will get would not make the slightest difference, but I will not. I do value all technical input from the Lists and make my decision accordingly. I sometimes seem to answer a question with a question, my prerogative, but sometimes we just like conformation from our peers to reinforce what we probably already know or think, just to make sure. My question this time brought out some lurkers and occasional posters and I appreciate this very much. Thanks to all who replied now and in advance for future responses. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From johnculp at btes.tv Wed Jan 9 05:13:02 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:13:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <005801c8529b$a9efc250$0601a8c0@altech> References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <005801c8529b$a9efc250$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: I don't blame you, Peter. I'd try to use the best stuff for the job, too, but any kind of babbitt would surely work fine given the circumstances. Personally, I'd put the old stuff in my bullet casting pot. Y'all watch your wheelweights if you park close to me. ;-) John On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > I could probably use straight lead, because the amount of use this > engine > will get would not make the slightest difference, but I will not. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 05:45:00 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 05:45:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <409448.34713.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very funny, Dr. John. You don't have any wheel weights on your wheels. I melted them down yesterday. Them and 45 other pounds of wheel weights. Actually I got to tire stores to get them. Some places will give me a box of W.Ws. and other places charge for them. The last bucket I bought is setting out there waiting. Twenty bucks for what feels like over 100 pounds. It is a heaped 5 gallon bucket. Yesterday I finished off the last one. Then I came in the house and washed my hands with the last bar of your soap. 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan John Culp wrote: I don't blame you, Peter. I'd try to use the best stuff for the job, too, but any kind of babbitt would surely work fine given the circumstances. Personally, I'd put the old stuff in my bullet casting pot. Y'all watch your wheelweights if you park close to me. ;-) John On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > I could probably use straight lead, because the amount of use this > engine > will get would not make the slightest difference, but I will not. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 06:04:49 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 23:04:49 +0900 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> Message-ID: <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject David. When white metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up. If you have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls can be added to make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its easier just to use some new stuff. Kindest Regards Ray Freeman Perth WA Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only lasted for 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 9 10:35:33 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:35:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! Message-ID: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this morning after a courageous battle with cancer. Bill lived in Memphis, Tenn. and he and I got to make a lot of memories together on engine trips. It seems the Lord wanted him more than we did and He called him home. I already miss him so much that I can hardly bare it, he was my only close engine friend and I have been to his home many times and he came to mine, it seemed like life was worth living when I was around Bill. He had so many projects lined up to do that he would have to live three lifetimes to do them all but he never stopped, he was such an inspiration to me. It is times like this when it makes me really question what it is I want out of life, what is really important and what is not, and I know this; that family and friends is what life is all about and Bill was my closest friend. Please pray for Bill's family as they endure the loss of this Husband, Daddy, Grandfather, Brother, and friend to all. Paul From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Jan 9 12:30:58 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:30:58 +1300 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Paul sorry to hear of your friends passing he will be truly missed by his friends and his family by what you shared he sounded like a lovely person..brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:35 AM Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this morning after a courageous battle with cancer. Bill lived in Memphis, Tenn. and he and I got to make a lot of memories together on engine trips. It seems the Lord wanted him more than we did and He called him home. > > I already miss him so much that I can hardly bare it, he was my only close engine friend and I have been to his home many times and he came to mine, it seemed like life was worth living when I was around Bill. He had so many projects lined up to do that he would have to live three lifetimes to do them all but he never stopped, he was such an inspiration to me. > > It is times like this when it makes me really question what it is I want out of life, what is really important and what is not, and I know this; that family and friends is what life is all about and Bill was my closest friend. > > Please pray for Bill's family as they endure the loss of this Husband, Daddy, Grandfather, Brother, and friend to all. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 13:40:54 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:40:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Floppy Drive Jumper Info needed Message-ID: <6f6025160801091340q7adc18e2ucde9e259466b2785@mail.gmail.com> This is a bit of an oddball request, but we have quite a few guys on the Lists that have experience in this field, I hope the others won't mind me asking. I am looking for some information on a 5-1/4" 1.2mb floppy drive, NEC FD-1057. It is configurable to various drive formats by means of jumpers, and I need to get hold of the settings table to check what I have here now. If anyone can help, please drop me a message off-list please. Many thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 9 14:14:05 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:14:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT: Floppy Drive Jumper Info needed In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801091340q7adc18e2ucde9e259466b2785@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801091340q7adc18e2ucde9e259466b2785@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ahhhh, Peter, I take it that you're working with Paul at the Internal Fire Museum? And you're working on an antique computing display to go along with their 1920's radio room and power house? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > I am looking for some information on a 5-1/4" 1.2mb floppy drive, NEC FD-1057. > -- > Peter A Forbes From driggars at wildblue.net Wed Jan 9 14:18:52 2008 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:18:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Floppy Drive Jumper Info needed In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801091340q7adc18e2ucde9e259466b2785@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801091340q7adc18e2ucde9e259466b2785@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4785484C.4090002@wildblue.net> I would love that same info myself Clint Listerdiesel wrote: > This is a bit of an oddball request, but we have quite a few guys on > the Lists that have experience in this field, I hope the others won't > mind me asking. > > I am looking for some information on a 5-1/4" 1.2mb floppy drive, NEC FD-1057. > > It is configurable to various drive formats by means of jumpers, and I > need to get hold of the settings table to check what I have here now. > > If anyone can help, please drop me a message off-list please. > > Many thanks, > > Peter > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 9 14:36:19 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:36:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up." Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Im_Stupid/ Im_stupid.jpg for your free sign! On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject David. > When white > metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up. > If you > have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls can be > added to > make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its easier > just to > use some new stuff. > Kindest Regards > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jan 9 15:02:34 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:02:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: If I recall correctly, antimony oxidizes more readily that the other component metals of babbitt. The antimony oxidizes, you skim off the dross, and the remaining material is not what you put in the pot. Rob > Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? > (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you > buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses > some of its chemical or alloy make up." > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 9 15:17:38 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:17:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Babbit metal composition please References: <004501c851f0$73b9daa0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001101c85315$d78538b0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Peter .....do a Google on ''The Hoyt Book on the Lined Bearing'' . I see there are some copies available ,7th Edition . I have the 14th Edition ,tells all with some interesting info on jigs etc. I was kindly given mine by a tech school instructor many years ago . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Babbit metal composition please > Hi All > > We have been through this before in various forms, but I ask a question > from > THOSE WHO KNOW please. > > I am about to pour the bearings for my vertical R&V, these are not split > bearings but hollow cylindrical bearings with no adjustment. > I have melted out the old metal and I am assuming that it is not the > original 103 years old Babbitt, knowing the condition of the flywheels and > crankshaft. > Should I assume that, well to be safe I will !! > > Now what composition of Babbitt should I use, should I trust the old > bearings and re-use the metal or go with new clean stuff. > I have a full bar of "copper free" Babbitt that was used on the steam > engines at the sugar mill where I used to work, it was used on the gland > packing on the engines, is this too soft. I have no idea what composition > the new stuff I have is, only that it is Copper Free, but it is not as > heavy > as the stuff melted out of the old bearings. Does the old stuff have too > much lead in it and too soft? > I have used the Copper Free metal on my R&V Triumph Line engine and is > seems > OK. Remember these are not under load and only run at a few shows, but I > do > not want to have to pour them again. > Modern oils are also better these days. > > I do not mind going out and buying a new bar of Babbitt if the more > knowledgeable members here think I should. > There are a few on the LIST who do know so please do not sit on the fence, > guide me please either on or off the LIST. > plowe at exemail.com.au > > This was from Wikipedia > > 90% tin 10% copper > 89% tin 7% antimony 4% copper > 80% lead 15% antimony 5% tin > > This is from Wikipedia looking under White Metal > > % Sn % Sb % Cu % Pb Applications > 93 3.5 3.5 - Light and medium IC engine big end bearings > 86 10.5 3.5 - Light and medium IC engine main bearings > 80 11 3.0 6 General purpose heavy bearings (lead increases > plasticity) > 60 10 28.5 1.5 Heavy duty marine engine bearings, electrical machines > 40 10 1.5 48.5 Low cost, general purpose, medium duty bearings > > > > What should I do mates. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 15:21:02 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:21:02 +0900 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> I take my advice from people who pour large white metal bearings and buy tons of the stuff. The old stuff does degrade through melting it out and re melting it. It used to go as scrap but with analysis they can in most cases re use it by adding what's required. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 7:36 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up." Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Im_Stupid/ Im_stupid.jpg for your free sign! On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject David. > When white > metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up. > If you > have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls can be > added to > make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its easier > just to > use some new stuff. > Kindest Regards > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 9 15:45:08 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:45:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > I take my advice from people who pour large white metal bearings > and buy > tons of the stuff. The old stuff does degrade through melting it > out and re > melting it. It used to go as scrap but with analysis they can in > most cases > re use it by adding what's required. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA Hi Ray, I take my advice from a little old women who lives next door and knows how to turn babbitt into GOLD. Send me $5,000,000.00 (US) and I will tell you her secret! Dave PS, Did you get your sign yet? PPS, The engines we are talking about were built 80-100 years ago! PPPS, books, school, eat! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 9 15:41:28 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:41:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <00ab01c85319$2821ca10$210110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Brent, I appreciate your concern. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "brent" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > Paul sorry to hear of your friends passing he will be truly missed by his > friends and his family by what you shared he sounded like a lovely > person..brentnz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:35 AM > Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > > >> Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best > friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this morning > after a courageous battle with cancer. Bill lived in Memphis, Tenn. and he > and I got to make a lot of memories together on engine trips. It seems the > Lord wanted him more than we did and He called him home. >> >> I already miss him so much that I can hardly bare it, he was my only >> close > engine friend and I have been to his home many times and he came to mine, > it > seemed like life was worth living when I was around Bill. He had so many > projects lined up to do that he would have to live three lifetimes to do > them all but he never stopped, he was such an inspiration to me. >> >> It is times like this when it makes me really question what it is I want > out of life, what is really important and what is not, and I know this; > that > family and friends is what life is all about and Bill was my closest > friend. >> >> Please pray for Bill's family as they endure the loss of this Husband, > Daddy, Grandfather, Brother, and friend to all. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: >> 1/7/2008 > 9:14 AM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jan 9 15:54:24 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:54:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! In-Reply-To: <00ab01c85319$2821ca10$210110ac@FAMILY> References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <00ab01c85319$2821ca10$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <47855EB0.1040504@scrtc.com> Paul, Bill and I hooked up on a few occasions at shows and traded numerous emails, photos, etc. He was truly a gentleman and will be missed in the old iron hobby and those that knew him. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Paul Maples wrote: >Thanks Brent, I appreciate your concern. > >Paul >----- Original Message ----- >From: "brent" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:30 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > > > > >>Paul sorry to hear of your friends passing he will be truly missed by his >>friends and his family by what you shared he sounded like a lovely >>person..brentnz >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Paul Maples" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:35 AM >>Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! >> >> >> >> >>>Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best >>> >>> >>friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this morning >>after a courageous battle with cancer. Bill lived in Memphis, Tenn. and he >>and I got to make a lot of memories together on engine trips. It seems the >>Lord wanted him more than we did and He called him home. >> >> >>>I already miss him so much that I can hardly bare it, he was my only >>>close >>> >>> >>engine friend and I have been to his home many times and he came to mine, >>it >>seemed like life was worth living when I was around Bill. He had so many >>projects lined up to do that he would have to live three lifetimes to do >>them all but he never stopped, he was such an inspiration to me. >> >> >>>It is times like this when it makes me really question what it is I want >>> >>> >>out of life, what is really important and what is not, and I know this; >>that >>family and friends is what life is all about and Bill was my closest >>friend. >> >> >>>Please pray for Bill's family as they endure the loss of this Husband, >>> >>> >>Daddy, Grandfather, Brother, and friend to all. >> >> >>>Paul >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: >>>1/7/2008 >>> >>> >>9:14 AM >> >> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 15:58:44 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:58:44 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING Message-ID: <001401c8531b$941118f0$210110ac@Chester> Hi, i am currently restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i came to the big end, i was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no shims fitted, anyway it is really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as this is a bronze? block bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be welded up & milled out?, any ideas & comments welcome. Cheers, Chester from West Aus. From skipl130 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 16:20:35 2008 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:20:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING In-Reply-To: <001401c8531b$941118f0$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <754925.79351.qm@web35305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> chester, i brazed & remachined the one for my 10 horse famous. still running. skip SERVICE wrote: Hi, i am currently restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i came to the big end, i was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no shims fitted, anyway it is really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as this is a bronze? block bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be welded up & milled out?, any ideas & comments welcome. Cheers, Chester from West Aus. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 9 16:25:45 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:25:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe><00ab01c85319$2821ca10$210110ac@FAMILY> <47855EB0.1040504@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00c201c8531f$58232910$210110ac@FAMILY> Tommy, Bill always talked about you, always asking me if I had heard from you and when I picked up the Mill he told me to be sure and tell you "hello" from him. He told me what a fine person you were and how he really looked up to you.Bill thought a lot of you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > Paul, > Bill and I hooked up on a few occasions at shows and traded numerous > emails, photos, etc. He was truly a gentleman and will be missed in the > old iron hobby and those that knew him. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > listinfo/sel From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 16:33:36 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:33:36 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING References: <754925.79351.qm@web35305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004001c85320$703d3ee0$210110ac@Chester> thanks Skip, i just have to find someone to do it, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Landis" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > chester, i brazed & remachined the one for my 10 horse famous. still > running. skip > > SERVICE wrote: Hi, i am currently > restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i came to the big end, i > was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no shims fitted, anyway it is > really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as this is a bronze? block > bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be welded up & milled out?, > any ideas & comments welcome. > Cheers, > Chester from West Aus. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jan 9 16:31:15 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:31:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <01ec01c85320$1c4c9920$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Heating and reheating does not hurt a bit. The problem comes when it gets too hot and lots of dross forms, most of this is tin and the combination of heat and skimming can over time alter the alloy. At one time we greatly reduced this from happening by using soldering oil in wave soldering machines. Works pretty good and solves the problem but gets another one. Over time some of the oil will char and eventually begin to deposit on the circuit board being soldered. The only way to fix this is to drain the pot and scrape it clean. Soldering oil also requires a solvent cleaning process which has so many environmental problems almost nobody does it now. By the way I am talking about soldering printed circuit boards. Solder is not a whole lot different that babbit so I think the comparison applies. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. replace nomore with net to send mail jd.kirkes at verizon.nomore ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up." Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Im_Stupid/ Im_stupid.jpg for your free sign! On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject > David. > When white > metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy > make up. > If you > have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls > can be > added to > make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its > easier > just to > use some new stuff. > Kindest Regards > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only > lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jan 9 16:31:15 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:31:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <01f301c85320$50e8ebc0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Heating and reheating does not hurt a bit. The problem comes when it gets too hot and lots of dross forms, most of this is tin and the combination of heat and skimming can over time alter the alloy. At one time we greatly reduced this from happening by using soldering oil in wave soldering machines. Works pretty good and solves the problem but gets another one. Over time some of the oil will char and eventually begin to deposit on the circuit board being soldered. The only way to fix this is to drain the pot and scrape it clean. Soldering oil also requires a solvent cleaning process which has so many environmental problems almost nobody does it now. By the way I am talking about soldering printed circuit boards. Solder is not a whole lot different that babbit so I think the comparison applies. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. replace nomore with net to send mail jd.kirkes at verizon.nomore ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up." Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Im_Stupid/ Im_stupid.jpg for your free sign! On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject > David. > When white > metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy > make up. > If you > have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls > can be > added to > make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its > easier > just to > use some new stuff. > Kindest Regards > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only > lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jan 9 16:31:15 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:31:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <020101c85320$7ad69040$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Heating and reheating does not hurt a bit. The problem comes when it gets too hot and lots of dross forms, most of this is tin and the combination of heat and skimming can over time alter the alloy. At one time we greatly reduced this from happening by using soldering oil in wave soldering machines. Works pretty good and solves the problem but gets another one. Over time some of the oil will char and eventually begin to deposit on the circuit board being soldered. The only way to fix this is to drain the pot and scrape it clean. Soldering oil also requires a solvent cleaning process which has so many environmental problems almost nobody does it now. By the way I am talking about soldering printed circuit boards. Solder is not a whole lot different that babbit so I think the comparison applies. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. replace nomore with net to send mail jd.kirkes at verizon.nomore ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up." Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Im_Stupid/ Im_stupid.jpg for your free sign! On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject > David. > When white > metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy > make up. > If you > have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls > can be > added to > make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its > easier > just to > use some new stuff. > Kindest Regards > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only > lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jan 9 16:31:15 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:31:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <002201c85320$eb14b1c0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Heating and reheating does not hurt a bit. The problem comes when it gets too hot and lots of dross forms, most of this is tin and the combination of heat and skimming can over time alter the alloy. At one time we greatly reduced this from happening by using soldering oil in wave soldering machines. Works pretty good and solves the problem but gets another one. Over time some of the oil will char and eventually begin to deposit on the circuit board being soldered. The only way to fix this is to drain the pot and scrape it clean. Soldering oil also requires a solvent cleaning process which has so many environmental problems almost nobody does it now. By the way I am talking about soldering printed circuit boards. Solder is not a whole lot different that babbit so I think the comparison applies. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. replace nomore with net to send mail jd.kirkes at verizon.nomore ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up." Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Im_Stupid/ Im_stupid.jpg for your free sign! On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject > David. > When white > metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy > make up. > If you > have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls > can be > added to > make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its > easier > just to > use some new stuff. > Kindest Regards > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only > lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 17:10:22 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:10:22 +0900 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <001001c85325$92db2570$b8917050$@net.au> Hi Dave, I thought you were the little old woman. The cheques in the mail by the way. How much is $5,000,000.00 US these days? Can she prove the earth is flat as well. Ray PS Thanks for the sign PPS That long? PPS Did those old engine makers pour their bearings out of used Babbitt? PPPS Thanks for the laugh! :D -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 8:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades On Jan 9, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > I take my advice from people who pour large white metal bearings > and buy > tons of the stuff. The old stuff does degrade through melting it > out and re > melting it. It used to go as scrap but with analysis they can in > most cases > re use it by adding what's required. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA Hi Ray, I take my advice from a little old women who lives next door and knows how to turn babbitt into GOLD. Send me $5,000,000.00 (US) and I will tell you her secret! Dave PS, Did you get your sign yet? PPS, The engines we are talking about were built 80-100 years ago! PPPS, books, school, eat! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jan 9 17:46:59 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:46:59 EST Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING Message-ID: Chester, I had the same thing on my 6 Famous, I machined the laps where the bearings fit together until the worn(largest worn diameter) area was now the diameter of the crankshaft. Of course this still makes the hole in the bronze oval shape. Correct this by machining out the bronze to the correct diameter of the crank and rework the radiuses on the edges. Put in a few thousands shims when putting it on the crank and it should last another hundred years. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 18:18:00 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:18:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT: Floppy Drive Jumper Info needed In-Reply-To: <4785484C.4090002@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <165020.78421.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So sorry, I just scrapped out a pickup load of old computers with 5 1/4" drives. There were a lot of manuals with them too. I think there are several boxes of those floppies downstairs. Not a drive in the house though. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Clint D wrote: I would love that same info myself Clint Listerdiesel wrote: > This is a bit of an oddball request, but we have quite a few guys on > the Lists that have experience in this field, I hope the others won't > mind me asking. > > I am looking for some information on a 5-1/4" 1.2mb floppy drive, NEC FD-1057. > > It is configurable to various drive formats by means of jumpers, and I > need to get hold of the settings table to check what I have here now. > > If anyone can help, please drop me a message off-list please. > > Many thanks, > > Peter > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 19:04:49 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:04:49 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING References: Message-ID: <009201c85335$9269d2c0$210110ac@Chester> Thanks Tom, that gives me another option, Chester ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > Chester, > > I had the same thing on my 6 Famous, I machined the laps where the > bearings > fit together until the worn(largest worn diameter) area was now the > diameter of > the crankshaft. Of course this still makes the hole in the bronze oval > shape. Correct this by machining out the bronze to the correct diameter > of the > crank and rework the radiuses on the edges. Put in a few thousands shims > when > putting it on the crank and it should last another hundred years. > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 9 19:05:11 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:05:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING References: <001401c8531b$941118f0$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <005701c85335$a138b780$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Chester.......Toms procedure is a good one ,simple and effective.....no brazing! Give me the size of the crank journal and send and the two bearing block halves down .....perhaps to Harry? I'll be away for a few days ,it's no trouble . Good news ........Danny poured the first bearing cap for the Hot Tube engine using his home built gas and oxy furnace.Unfortunately it was not a good pour but at least he is on the go and trying.....he has to modify his moulding box. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > Hi, i am currently restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i > came to the big end, i was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no > shims fitted, anyway it is really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as > this is a bronze? block bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be > welded up & milled out?, any ideas & comments welcome. > Cheers, > Chester from West Aus. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 19:06:15 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:06:15 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING In-Reply-To: <004001c85320$703d3ee0$210110ac@Chester> References: <754925.79351.qm@web35305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004001c85320$703d3ee0$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <001401c85335$c33917d0$49ab4770$@net.au> Send me a pic Chester. I can likely do it Ray Freeman plb at iinet.net -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 9:34 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING thanks Skip, i just have to find someone to do it, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Landis" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > chester, i brazed & remachined the one for my 10 horse famous. still > running. skip > > SERVICE wrote: Hi, i am currently > restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i came to the big end, i > was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no shims fitted, anyway it is > really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as this is a bronze? block > bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be welded up & milled out?, > any ideas & comments welcome. > Cheers, > Chester from West Aus. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 9 19:08:12 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:08:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> <001001c85325$92db2570$b8917050$@net.au> Message-ID: <006101c85336$0cafdb10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Ray, fortunately I was away when the last out burst came from this drongo but I have heard about it ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades > Hi Dave, I thought you were the little old woman. The cheques in the mail > by > the way. How much is $5,000,000.00 US these days? Can she prove the earth > is > flat as well. > Ray > PS Thanks for the sign > PPS That long? > PPS Did those old engine makers pour their bearings out of used Babbitt? > PPPS Thanks for the laugh! :D > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 8:45 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > >> I take my advice from people who pour large white metal bearings >> and buy >> tons of the stuff. The old stuff does degrade through melting it >> out and re >> melting it. It used to go as scrap but with analysis they can in >> most cases >> re use it by adding what's required. >> Ray Freeman >> Perth WA > > Hi Ray, I take my advice from a little old women who lives next door > and knows how to turn babbitt into GOLD. Send me $5,000,000.00 (US) > and I will tell you her secret! > Dave > PS, Did you get your sign yet? > PPS, The engines we are talking about were built 80-100 years ago! > PPPS, books, school, eat! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at btes.tv Wed Jan 9 19:19:48 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:19:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! In-Reply-To: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Oh, no! I had no idea he was in that kind of shape. Bill was a good friend, just a terrific guy. I'll certainly pray for his family. John On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best > friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this > morning after a courageous battle with cancer. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 9 19:40:51 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:40:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <003c01c8533a$99451870$210110ac@FAMILY> Thanks John, he is going to be missed for sure. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > Oh, no! I had no idea he was in that kind of shape. Bill was a good > friend, just a terrific guy. > I'll certainly pray for his family. > > John > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best >> friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this >> morning after a courageous battle with cancer. /sel From billmil357 at aol.com Wed Jan 9 21:32:06 2008 From: billmil357 at aol.com (billmil357 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:32:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! In-Reply-To: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <8CA216145946B38-F6C-6537@WEBMAIL-DG15> Paul, Dave and everyone, Arrangements for Billy Miller:? ? Visitation will be from 5:30 - 8:00 P.M., Friday 1/11/08, at Forest Hill East 2440 Whitten Rd. Memphis, TN 38184 (901) 382-1000? ? The Memorial Service will be at 1:00 P.M., Saturday 1/12/08, at First Presbyterian Church 166 Poplar Ave, Memphis, TN 38103?- (901) 525-5619.? ? The family requests that any memorials be sent to First Presbyterian Church.? Dad would be proud to know that Marc my 14 year old son told me the other day that no matter how long it takes all the engine and Cub Cadet projects WILL be completed, and the Ferguson TE20 ?(that belonged to my Grandad, dad's dad) WILL be completed. I'll try to write something more soon. Thanks for the thoughts and prayers Randy Miller -----Original Message----- From: Paul Maples To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:35 am Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this morning after a courageous battle with cancer. Bill lived in Memphis, Tenn. and he and I got to make a lot of memories together on engine trips. It seems the Lord wanted him more than we did and He called him home. I already miss him so much that I can hardly bare it, he was my only close engine friend and I have been to his home many times and he came to mine, it seemed like life was worth living when I was around Bill. He had so many projects lined up to do that he would have to live three lifetimes to do them all but he never stopped, he was such an inspiration to me. It is times like this when it makes me really question what it is I want out of life, what is really important and what is not, and I know this; that family and friends is what life is all about and Bill was my closest friend. Please pray for Bill's family as they endure the loss of this Husband, Daddy, Grandfather, Brother, and friend to all. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 22:41:31 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:41:31 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING References: <001401c8531b$941118f0$210110ac@Chester> <005701c85335$a138b780$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <00d801c85353$d6860f00$210110ac@Chester> Peter, thanks for the offer, i have to come to Albany within the next 2 weeks, i will bring them down & see what you think. Good news on the cap castings, hopefully he will sort it, cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > Chester.......Toms procedure is a good one ,simple and effective.....no > brazing! Give me the size of the crank journal and send and the two > bearing > block halves down .....perhaps to Harry? > I'll be away for a few days ,it's no trouble . > Good news ........Danny poured the first bearing cap for the Hot Tube > engine > using his home built gas and oxy furnace.Unfortunately it was not a good > pour but at least he is on the go and trying.....he has to modify his > moulding box. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SERVICE" > To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:58 AM > Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > > >> Hi, i am currently restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i >> came to the big end, i was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no >> shims fitted, anyway it is really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as >> this is a bronze? block bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be >> welded up & milled out?, any ideas & comments welcome. >> Cheers, >> Chester from West Aus. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 22:43:03 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:43:03 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING References: <754925.79351.qm@web35305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004001c85320$703d3ee0$210110ac@Chester> <001401c85335$c33917d0$49ab4770$@net.au> Message-ID: <00de01c85354$0ca6dec0$210110ac@Chester> Ray, thanks for the offer, as i have to go to Albany, i will take it to Peter to see if he can repair, cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > Send me a pic Chester. I can likely do it > Ray Freeman > plb at iinet.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 9:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > > thanks Skip, i just have to find someone to do it, Chester. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Landis" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > > >> chester, i brazed & remachined the one for my 10 horse famous. still >> running. skip >> >> SERVICE wrote: Hi, i am currently >> restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i came to the big end, >> i > >> was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no shims fitted, anyway it >> is > >> really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as this is a bronze? block >> bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be welded up & milled >> out?, > >> any ideas & comments welcome. >> Cheers, >> Chester from West Aus. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try >> it > >> now. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 22:55:30 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:55:30 +0900 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <4785C162.40509@optusnet.com.au> David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Ray, I take my advice from a little old women who lives next door > and knows how to turn babbitt into GOLD. Send me $5,000,000.00 (US) > and I will tell you her secret! > Dave > PS, Did you get your sign yet? > PPS, The engines we are talking about were built 80-100 years ago! > PPPS, books, school, eat! etc etc (snipperd) === Dave, It's time you stopped rehearsing for the "Grumpy Old Men" movies part. People are getting sick of it. In case you hadn't heard, Lemmon died in 1991 and his character's part has been taken. Jack === From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Jan 10 00:00:06 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:00:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING References: <001401c8531b$941118f0$210110ac@Chester><005701c85335$a138b780$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <00d801c85353$d6860f00$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <001901c8535e$d483d560$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Chester when you come don't forget to bring the big end bolts............I may be on crutches, going for a small op on my ankle today week ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > Peter, thanks for the offer, i have to come to Albany within the next 2 > weeks, i will bring them down & see what you think. Good news on the cap > castings, hopefully he will sort it, > cheers, Chester. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > > >> Chester.......Toms procedure is a good one ,simple and effective.....no >> brazing! Give me the size of the crank journal and send and the two >> bearing >> block halves down .....perhaps to Harry? >> I'll be away for a few days ,it's no trouble . >> Good news ........Danny poured the first bearing cap for the Hot Tube >> engine >> using his home built gas and oxy furnace.Unfortunately it was not a good >> pour but at least he is on the go and trying.....he has to modify his >> moulding box. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "SERVICE" >> To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:58 AM >> Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING >> >> >>> Hi, i am currently restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i >>> came to the big end, i was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no >>> shims fitted, anyway it is really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as >>> this is a bronze? block bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings >>> be >>> welded up & milled out?, any ideas & comments welcome. >>> Cheers, >>> Chester from West Aus. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 10 00:49:01 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:49:01 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING In-Reply-To: <00de01c85354$0ca6dec0$210110ac@Chester> References: <754925.79351.qm@web35305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004001c85320$703d3ee0$210110ac@Chester> <001401c85335$c33917d0$49ab4770$@net.au> <00de01c85354$0ca6dec0$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <004201c85365$a58f8db0$f0aea910$@net.au> No problems Chester.If I can help with welding,machining or spark eroding any time let me know. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 3:43 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING Ray, thanks for the offer, as i have to go to Albany, i will take it to Peter to see if he can repair, cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > Send me a pic Chester. I can likely do it > Ray Freeman > plb at iinet.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 9:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > > thanks Skip, i just have to find someone to do it, Chester. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Landis" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > > >> chester, i brazed & remachined the one for my 10 horse famous. still >> running. skip >> >> SERVICE wrote: Hi, i am currently >> restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i came to the big end, >> i > >> was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no shims fitted, anyway it >> is > >> really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as this is a bronze? block >> bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be welded up & milled >> out?, > >> any ideas & comments welcome. >> Cheers, >> Chester from West Aus. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try >> it > >> now. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 10 00:52:09 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:52:09 +0900 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <006101c85336$0cafdb10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> <001001c85325$92db2570$b8917050$@net.au> <006101c85336$0cafdb10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004301c85366$15b37070$411a5150$@net.au> Peter,that was a very unfortunate week on SEL,caused a lot of bad feeling and destroyed the credibility of a number of list members. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 12:08 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades Ray, fortunately I was away when the last out burst came from this drongo but I have heard about it ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades > Hi Dave, I thought you were the little old woman. The cheques in the mail > by > the way. How much is $5,000,000.00 US these days? Can she prove the earth > is > flat as well. > Ray > PS Thanks for the sign > PPS That long? > PPS Did those old engine makers pour their bearings out of used Babbitt? > PPPS Thanks for the laugh! :D > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 8:45 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > >> I take my advice from people who pour large white metal bearings >> and buy >> tons of the stuff. The old stuff does degrade through melting it >> out and re >> melting it. It used to go as scrap but with analysis they can in >> most cases >> re use it by adding what's required. >> Ray Freeman >> Perth WA > > Hi Ray, I take my advice from a little old women who lives next door > and knows how to turn babbitt into GOLD. Send me $5,000,000.00 (US) > and I will tell you her secret! > Dave > PS, Did you get your sign yet? > PPS, The engines we are talking about were built 80-100 years ago! > PPPS, books, school, eat! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 08:24:57 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:24:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! In-Reply-To: <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: Hi Paul, I'm sorry to hear about Bill, but it brings to mind a little story that says a lot about the man. Remember several years ago when you unloaded that old T model on my little brother? Well somehow I guess Bill found out that Mike couldn't read or write and knew that we would be traveling through lots of confusing intersections in Memphis on the way to your house. Bill got in his car and drove through them all with his camera and took pictures of all the intersections and e-mailed them to Mike. That way when we got to a a confusing place I could just hold up the picture and say to Mike "Turn the truck when it looks like this"! And you know Mike made it all the way thanks to Bill. The only problem we had was that incident in the Memphis motel where Mike saw Elvis! This is really a true story ! Steve Royster>> Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone!> > _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 09:46:13 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:46:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! In-Reply-To: References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <6f6025160801100946j7b38164tceffe14a7469e892@mail.gmail.com> On 10/01/2008, Steve Royster wrote: > > Hi Paul, I'm sorry to hear about Bill, but it brings to mind a little story that says a lot about the man. Remember several years ago when you unloaded that old T model on my little brother? Well somehow I guess Bill found out that Mike couldn't read or write and knew that we would be traveling through lots of confusing intersections in Memphis on the way to your house. Bill got in his car and drove through them all with his camera and took pictures of all the intersections and e-mailed them to Mike. That way when we got to a a confusing place I could just hold up the picture and say to Mike "Turn the truck when it looks like this"! And you know Mike made it all the way thanks to Bill. The only problem we had was that incident in the Memphis motel where Mike saw Elvis! This is really a true story ! Steve Royster> We will all be remembered for our actions, not our words. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From MBellar at aol.com Thu Jan 10 11:23:17 2008 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:23:17 EST Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 1/7/2008 9:54:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: Didn't realize Don rebuilt igniters. My engine is in serious need of an overhaul--hopefully rings will do the trick. The only thing holding me back is that it needs new mains as well and I just don't have time to get that deep into right now! I mentioned to Don that the moving electrode shaft was stuck and bent in the igniter housing so that even if it was loose it could not be removed from the casting. I asked him if he had movable electrode castings, and he said only rough castings, but I can replace the bent shaft and attach your electrode end to a new shaft machined to fit your housing. My thoughts were HOT DOG another problem solved. Do you think that one could put a bushing inside the old mains? The cost of raw bushing material the size of the original mains is staggering. Tom Bellar **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jan 10 11:37:16 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:37:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478673EC.3020709@imc-group.com> MBellar at aol.com wrote: > I mentioned to Don that the moving electrode shaft was stuck and bent in the > igniter housing so that even if it was loose it could not be removed from > the casting. I asked him if he had movable electrode castings, and he said only > rough castings, but I can replace the bent shaft and attach your electrode > end to a new shaft machined to fit your housing. My thoughts were HOT DOG > another problem solved. > > Tom, When rebuilding mine, I've just picked the next largest size of TG&P material available that would clean the hole up, even using metric sizes if needed. The I buy a reamer a thou over that TG&P size and opening the ignitor housing up. Put a little step on the end of the shaft to fit in the old electrode head and fit it all up. Works great. Curt From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Jan 10 13:32:25 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:32:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades....M/C Lifts References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> <4785C162.40509@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <000a01c853d0$4f25f610$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Jack ,more like little old grumpy lady!! However to more important things .Have you seen the latest Model Engineers Workshop No 130.There is a simple M/C lift .I am building one I found a nice little Trolley Jack at Auto One. I think a scissors type is the better arrangement ,more stable and will I will attempt to make adapt a few ideas into it. It would be good for your Velo's and certainly great for my Raleigh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Watson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades > David Rotigel wrote: > >> Hi Ray, I take my advice from a little old women who lives next door >> and knows how to turn babbitt into GOLD. Send me $5,000,000.00 (US) >> and I will tell you her secret! >> Dave >> PS, Did you get your sign yet? >> PPS, The engines we are talking about were built 80-100 years ago! >> PPPS, books, school, eat! > etc etc (snipperd) > === > Dave, It's time you stopped rehearsing for the "Grumpy Old Men" movies > part. People are getting sick of it. In case you hadn't heard, Lemmon > died in 1991 and his character's part has been taken. > > Jack > === > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Thu Jan 10 15:00:03 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:00:03 +1300 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <6f6025160801100946j7b38164tceffe14a7469e892@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003a01c853dc$898ba500$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> That was thoughtful thing to do. brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > On 10/01/2008, Steve Royster wrote: > > > > Hi Paul, I'm sorry to hear about Bill, but it brings to mind a little story that says a lot about the man. Remember several years ago when you unloaded that old T model on my little brother? Well somehow I guess Bill found out that Mike couldn't read or write and knew that we would be traveling through lots of confusing intersections in Memphis on the way to your house. Bill got in his car and drove through them all with his camera and took pictures of all the intersections and e-mailed them to Mike. That way when we got to a a confusing place I could just hold up the picture and say to Mike "Turn the truck when it looks like this"! And you know Mike made it all the way thanks to Bill. The only problem we had was that incident in the Memphis motel where Mike saw Elvis! This is really a true story ! Steve Royster> > > We will all be remembered for our actions, not our words. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 10 15:54:00 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:54:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY><008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <019d01c853e4$139e9cf0$210110ac@FAMILY> Hello Steve, I remember this well. Bill and I talked about you and Mike coming after the "T" and Bill was worried you might get lost around Memphis and he told me he went out and would drive down the interstate and take pictures at the different intersections to show you which way to go. It was a wonder he did not get killed driving and trying to look through a view finder on a camera but then this was Bill, he would do anything for anyone. I have never seen anyone who loved life as Bill did, he never stopped, went a 100 MPH all the time. I sure miss him. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > > Hi Paul, I'm sorry to hear about Bill, but it brings to mind a little > story that says a lot about the man. Remember several years ago when you > unloaded that old T model on my little brother? Well somehow I guess > Bill found out that Mike couldn't read or write and knew that we would be > traveling through lots of confusing intersections in Memphis on the way to > your house. Bill got in his car and drove through them all with his camera > and took pictures of all the intersections and e-mailed them to Mike. That > way when we got to a a confusing place I could just hold up the picture > and say to Mike From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 10 15:55:47 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:55:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY><008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <6f6025160801100946j7b38164tceffe14a7469e892@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01a201c853e4$52a93950$210110ac@FAMILY> Good thought Peter, and how true. This is why so many people will remember Bill, he loved people and he loved helping people, he was a true man of God, always giving. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > On 10/01/2008, Steve Royster wrote: >> >> Hi Paul, I'm sorry to hear about Bill, but it brings to mind a little >> story that says a lot about the man. Remember several years ago when you >> unloaded that old T model on my little brother? Well somehow I guess >> Bill found out that Mike couldn't read or write and knew that we would be >> traveling through lots of confusing intersections in Memphis on the way >> to your house. Bill got in his car and drove through them all with his >> camera and took pictures of all the intersections and e-mailed them to >> Mike From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Jan 10 18:45:34 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:45:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine References: Message-ID: <005501c853fc$0ab9c570$62d64c0c@D48VHZ61> I just checked McMaster to get an idea of the price and it appears it would run anywhere from $80-200 for the matl (just guessing at the sizes). I'd hate to think what it would cost to buy solid matl instead of tube. If it were my engine, I wouldn't go to the trouble of putting a bushing in a bushing. I would (and will when I get around to it on mine) spend the extra for the larger matl to make new bushings. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine >> > Do you think that one could put a bushing inside the old mains? The cost > of > raw bushing material the size of the original mains is staggering. > > Tom Bellar > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jan 10 19:18:24 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:18:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine In-Reply-To: <005501c853fc$0ab9c570$62d64c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <005501c853fc$0ab9c570$62d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <4786E000.3080603@scrtc.com> Years ago (late 70's) I repaired a worn brass rod bearing with a piece of 2 inch brass pipe nipple I got at a scrap yard for something like $4. I turned the inside of the bearing until it was round, turned the outside of the nipple until it fit then soldered it in place. I cut it to width and then split it, put some shims in it then chucked it back in the lathe and turned the interior to fit the crank. I ran the engine for several years at shows and at home. Never had a problem and never had to tighten the bearing. On another brass bearing I sanded the interior of the bearing surface good, tinned it, then sat a piece of cold rolled in the center leaving about 1/4 inch between it and the bearing. I had put shims in it out of some gasket material and had them long enough they touched the cold rolled. I then poured it full of babbitt. I chucked it in the lathe and cut the babbitt out to fit the crank. I ran this engine at many shows and never had a problem. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY John Hall wrote: >I just checked McMaster to get an idea of the price and it appears it would >run anywhere from $80-200 for the matl (just guessing at the sizes). I'd >hate to think what it would cost to buy solid matl instead of tube. > >If it were my engine, I wouldn't go to the trouble of putting a bushing in a >bushing. I would (and will when I get around to it on mine) spend the extra >for the larger matl to make new bushings. > >John > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:23 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > > > > >>Do you think that one could put a bushing inside the old mains? The cost >>of >>raw bushing material the size of the original mains is staggering. >> >>Tom Bellar >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Thu Jan 10 21:31:45 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:31:45 +1300 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine References: <005501c853fc$0ab9c570$62d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <4786E000.3080603@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001001c85413$42b8ac90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter just check the centre hub cap you will be alright if they are the push in type the ywill take the later rims alright its the older style hex type that doesnt brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > Years ago (late 70's) I repaired a worn brass rod bearing with a piece > of 2 inch brass pipe nipple I got at a scrap yard for something like > $4. I turned the inside of the bearing until it was round, turned the > outside of the nipple until it fit then soldered it in place. I cut it > to width and then split it, put some shims in it then chucked it back in > the lathe and turned the interior to fit the crank. I ran the engine > for several years at shows and at home. Never had a problem and never > had to tighten the bearing. On another brass bearing I sanded the > interior of the bearing surface good, tinned it, then sat a piece of > cold rolled in the center leaving about 1/4 inch between it and the > bearing. I had put shims in it out of some gasket material and had them > long enough they touched the cold rolled. I then poured it full of > babbitt. I chucked it in the lathe and cut the babbitt out to fit the > crank. I ran this engine at many shows and never had a problem. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > John Hall wrote: > > >I just checked McMaster to get an idea of the price and it appears it would > >run anywhere from $80-200 for the matl (just guessing at the sizes). I'd > >hate to think what it would cost to buy solid matl instead of tube. > > > >If it were my engine, I wouldn't go to the trouble of putting a bushing in a > >bushing. I would (and will when I get around to it on mine) spend the extra > >for the larger matl to make new bushings. > > > >John > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:23 PM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > > > > > > > > > >>Do you think that one could put a bushing inside the old mains? The cost > >>of > >>raw bushing material the size of the original mains is staggering. > >> > >>Tom Bellar > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Thu Jan 10 22:00:44 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:00:44 +1300 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine References: <005501c853fc$0ab9c570$62d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <4786E000.3080603@scrtc.com> <001001c85413$42b8ac90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <001201c85417$4e6a9d10$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Sorry guys wrong forum unless your restoring an austin pickup.. brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "brent" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > Peter just check the centre hub cap you will be alright if they are the push > in type the ywill take the later rims alright its the older style hex type > that doesnt brent > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > > > > Years ago (late 70's) I repaired a worn brass rod bearing with a piece > > of 2 inch brass pipe nipple I got at a scrap yard for something like > > $4. I turned the inside of the bearing until it was round, turned the > > outside of the nipple until it fit then soldered it in place. I cut it > > to width and then split it, put some shims in it then chucked it back in > > the lathe and turned the interior to fit the crank. I ran the engine > > for several years at shows and at home. Never had a problem and never > > had to tighten the bearing. On another brass bearing I sanded the > > interior of the bearing surface good, tinned it, then sat a piece of > > cold rolled in the center leaving about 1/4 inch between it and the > > bearing. I had put shims in it out of some gasket material and had them > > long enough they touched the cold rolled. I then poured it full of > > babbitt. I chucked it in the lathe and cut the babbitt out to fit the > > crank. I ran this engine at many shows and never had a problem. > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > > John Hall wrote: > > > > >I just checked McMaster to get an idea of the price and it appears it > would > > >run anywhere from $80-200 for the matl (just guessing at the sizes). I'd > > >hate to think what it would cost to buy solid matl instead of tube. > > > > > >If it were my engine, I wouldn't go to the trouble of putting a bushing > in a > > >bushing. I would (and will when I get around to it on mine) spend the > extra > > >for the larger matl to make new bushings. > > > > > >John > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: > > >To: > > >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:23 PM > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Do you think that one could put a bushing inside the old mains? The cost > > >>of > > >>raw bushing material the size of the original mains is staggering. > > >> > > >>Tom Bellar > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 > 1:32 PM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Jan 11 02:06:22 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:06:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_engine__M/C_Lifts?= References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au><4785C162.40509@optusnet.com.au> <000a01c853d0$4f25f610$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002d01c85439$9e7a66b0$0601a8c0@altech> For the price of those things out of China Peter, I would rather buy one and restore engines with the time saved;-)) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MOTORCYCLE-ATV-LIFTER-LIFT-QUAD-BIKES-EASILY_W0QQitemZ300187691524QQihZ020QQcategoryZ105812QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MOTORCYCLE-LIFT-LIFTER-HYDRAULIC-LIFT-TO-OVER-800MM_W0QQitemZ300187378477QQihZ020QQcategoryZ32628QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Peter, Oz > However to more important things .Have you seen the latest Model Engineers > Workshop No 130.There is a simple M/C lift .I am building one I found a > nice > little Trolley Jack at Auto One. I think a scissors type is the better > arrangement ,more stable and will I will attempt to make adapt a few ideas > into it. It would be good for your Velo's and certainly great for my > Raleigh. From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 11 11:17:04 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:17:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, This is a really off topic post but what the heck. I've had a really s___t week and just feel like spreading the load amongst my mates. I live in an area of South Africa prone to very heavy electrical thunderstorms and do have all the necessary "lightning protectors" etc. installed on my house, computers and such but in the last 2 weeks we have had 2 thunderstorms here, the like of which I've not experienced since moving here in 1969. (Can I blame this on America - climate change and the like ??) :-) The first was at 12:15 one morning about 2 weeks ago. It knocked out my telephone lines, my cordless telephone as well as the "lightning protector" it was connected through, woke me up, scared the hell out of my pets (dogs & cats) and me as well. Remember that this is an area prone to heavy storms and I'm used to them but this one was just too close for comfort. The next one was at 5.20 last Saturday morning when we scored a "direct hit". It woke me up and my first recollection was of this orange fireball in my garden - it slowly faded away and I went and changed my shorts :-). This one lasted for about an hour. It knocked out my main computer (also connected through all the necessary protection) as well as burst a few underground water pipes (I dunno how), broke some windowpanes and took my telephone connections out completely. (The Lord alone knows why it did not take out my electricity as well) This computer is the one that I do all my business on so I've had a pretty stressful week trying to get this fixed. Fortunately all my data is still intact and I do have backups but my business revolves around this machine and finances preclude me from just going out and building a new machine so I had to "fix" this one. I'm sure that many of you do know that it's easier to just get a new machine but my whole business is configured around his one. (Pentium 4 - 2 Gig) Anyway - buy a new motherboard, processor and memory and try to get it sorted out using all my existing HD drives, DVD writer, CD Writer, video capture card and additional I/O cards. HAH ! Get it working only to find that my monitor does not speak to the new motherboard, - sort that out but the new motherboard also does not have a parallel port ( it has the connection but does not have the actual "plug in socket" (everything is USB these days but my signmaking plotter only works on parallel - no USB). Back to the supplier (60 miles round trip) for the parts. Get some totally useless advice from their salesman that could have caused my hard drive to crash had I followed it (with my "Data Recovery" background I do know a bit about hard drives!). That's where I was an hour ago - 8.00 pm Friday night after having wasted a whole week and got next to nothing done. Decision to be made - what next ? Answer - Pour a "Brandy & Coke" - write a totally irrelevant letter to the guys on the SEL and leave the damn computer for tomorrow - so this is that letter :-) ( and I feel better for it - thanks Guys - or maybe it's the other "B&C's" I've poured since starting this post !). Keep well, Jerry Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Jan 11 11:47:51 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:47:51 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <002001c8548a$da79e220$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Jerry thats been a hell of a week those electrical storms sound horrific i am pleased though that you and your family are okay. With electrical storms you never know what they are going to do and are probaly quite sudden. We dont get that extreme electrical storms here but even with lightning about we usually unplug computers and electricals its the only safe method of protecting them Often here with lightning diverters on fences lightning will bypass them and blow up energisers in pump houses etc I always wondered do they have earthing rods for lightning protection for homes all it is is a metal pipe in the ground would have to be higher than the roof of the house so the lightning can strike than they have them on top of skyscrapers etc That might be worth considering . Very frustrating with the computer esp how you need it for work at least you had a backup.. .Hopefully you will get it sorted next week all the best Brent nz ---- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 8:17 AM Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" > Hi Guys, > This is a really off topic post but what the heck. > > I've had a really s___t week and just feel like spreading the load > amongst my mates. > > I live in an area of South Africa prone to very heavy electrical > thunderstorms and do have all the necessary "lightning protectors" etc. > installed on my house, computers and such but in the last 2 weeks we have > had 2 thunderstorms here, the like of which I've not experienced since > moving here in 1969. (Can I blame this on America - climate change and the > like ??) :-) > > The first was at 12:15 one morning about 2 weeks ago. It knocked > out my telephone lines, my cordless telephone as well as the "lightning > protector" it was connected through, woke me up, scared the hell out of my > pets (dogs & cats) and me as well. Remember that this is an area prone to > heavy storms and I'm used to them but this one was just too close for comfort. > > The next one was at 5.20 last Saturday morning when we scored a > "direct hit". It woke me up and my first recollection was of this orange > fireball in my garden - it slowly faded away and I went and changed my > shorts :-). This one lasted for about an hour. > > It knocked out my main computer (also connected through all the > necessary protection) as well as burst a few underground water pipes (I > dunno how), broke some windowpanes and took my telephone connections out > completely. (The Lord alone knows why it did not take out my electricity as > well) > > This computer is the one that I do all my business on so I've had > a pretty stressful week trying to get this fixed. Fortunately all my data > is still intact and I do have backups but my business revolves around this > machine and finances preclude me from just going out and building a new > machine so I had to "fix" this one. I'm sure that many of you do know that > it's easier to just get a new machine but my whole business is configured > around his one. (Pentium 4 - 2 Gig) > > Anyway - buy a new motherboard, processor and memory and try to > get it sorted out using all my existing HD drives, DVD writer, CD Writer, > video capture card and additional I/O cards. > > HAH ! Get it working only to find that my monitor does not speak > to the new motherboard, - sort that out but the new motherboard also does > not have a parallel port ( it has the connection but does not have the > actual "plug in socket" (everything is USB these days but my signmaking > plotter only works on parallel - no USB). Back to the supplier (60 miles > round trip) for the parts. > Get some totally useless advice from their salesman that could have caused > my hard drive to crash had I followed it (with my "Data Recovery" > background I do know a bit about hard drives!). > > That's where I was an hour ago - 8.00 pm Friday night after having > wasted a whole week and got next to nothing done. > > Decision to be made - what next ? > > Answer - Pour a "Brandy & Coke" - write a totally irrelevant > letter to the guys on the SEL and leave the damn computer for tomorrow - so > this is that letter :-) ( and I feel better for it - thanks Guys - or maybe > it's the other "B&C's" I've poured since starting this post !). > > Keep well, > Jerry > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 11 11:48:51 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:48:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Attn. Peter Forbes Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111211719.00b97c60@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Peter, I saw your post about the NEC Floppy drive and looked through all my manuals and literature but had nothing left on the NEC. Do you collect this kind of stuff? I have a "Brand New" "never been used" Roctec external 5 1/4 floppy drive in it's original packing if you are interested. You can have it for the cost of postage if you can use it. It is packed in a polystyrene moulded shell and this is in turn packed into a cardboard "sleeve" - the final size (of the box) is 365mm x 305mm x 125mm which is quite big so postage could be a few bucks. Basically this is a Mitsumi Floppy Drive (1.2 Mb) built into an external case with all the necessary connectors, cables and instruction leaflet. It has never been used and I only opened it a few hours ago to determine the make of the actual drive (Mitsumi). It is about 14 years old and I've been holding on to it in case I wanted anything off my old "stiffies" but I've never used it and feel that if I've not wanted to get anything off an old stiffy backup in that time then I'm probably never going to! If you need pics then I can take some. Note to list members: I've offered this to Peter Forbes first but if he does not need it then the offer is open to all members. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 11 11:56:58 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:56:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111215137.00b94c80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, The SEL Charity Auction is almost over. This year it seemed to be a bit quiet ! I was just wondering why - did you guys also get that feeling? Has it lost it's appeal ? Was it not publicized enough ? Was everyone too busy celebrating to care ? Just wondering. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 11 12:19:08 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:19:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, > I've had a really s___t week and just feel like spreading the load > amongst my mates. Man, as my daughter would say, "It sure sucks to be you!" 8-)) > I live in an area of South Africa prone to very heavy electrical > thunderstorms and do have all the necessary "lightning protectors" etc. > installed on my house, computers and such but in the last 2 weeks we have > had 2 thunderstorms here, the like of which I've not experienced since > moving here in 1969. (Can I blame this on America - climate change and the > like ??) :-) DEFINITLY, George Bush's fault all the way!! > The next one was at 5.20 last Saturday morning when we scored a > "direct hit". It woke me up and my first recollection was of this orange > fireball in my garden - it slowly faded away and I went and changed my > shorts :-). This one lasted for about an hour. Ya know, I think I'd look into some SERIOUS lightning rods for the roof with massive cables going down to ground rods. > Decision to be made - what next ? One word of advice; if Rob & Kelley come knocking on the door suggesting that you buy a Mac, just smile and nod, tell them a story in your very best Afrikaans while slowly backing away and closing the door. Trust me on this one, you won't regret it. 8-))) > Answer - Pour a "Brandy & Coke" - write a totally irrelevant > letter to the guys on the SEL and leave the damn computer for tomorrow - so > this is that letter :-) ( and I feel better for it - thanks Guys - or maybe > it's the other "B&C's" I've poured since starting this post !). Sounds like a plan... See ya, Arnie From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 11 12:11:33 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:11:33 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111220240.00b91ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Just a quick thanks to list members for all the help on the 12 H.P. Witte CD Diesel. Thanks to you guys I've been able to source all the parts I need and have ordered them. Watch this space for progress reports (in about a month or so). A few names (but there were others as well). Ron Haskell, Craig Matthews, Tom Martin - thanks for the help. Many thanks to you all. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 11 12:36:50 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:36:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <005701c85491$b2191b00$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Fulgarite is worth somehting From George_Best at adp.com Fri Jan 11 12:43:36 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:43:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111215137.00b94c80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111215137.00b94c80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059059ADAB6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Jerry, I think the charity auction is just reflecting the level of activity SEL currently has. There are so many other forums out there, that people just don't post to this list as much as in prior years. I've run the price up on your 3 brass tags as far as I'm planning on going. I'll just order a tag from you later when I've got a good .jpg of the tag I need. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:57 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Hi Guys, The SEL Charity Auction is almost over. This year it seemed to be a bit quiet ! I was just wondering why - did you guys also get that feeling? Has it lost it's appeal ? Was it not publicized enough ? Was everyone too busy celebrating to care ? Just wondering. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Jan 11 12:47:58 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:47:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080111154711.030681a0@pop3.wcoil.com> I'll drink a Black Velvet and Coke for you tonight. Cheers, Mark At 02:17 PM 1/11/08, you wrote: >Hi Guys, > This is a really off topic post but what the heck. > > I've had a really s___t week and just feel like spreading the load >amongst my mates. > > I live in an area of South Africa prone to very heavy electrical >thunderstorms and do have all the necessary "lightning protectors" etc. >installed on my house, computers and such but in the last 2 weeks we have >had 2 thunderstorms here, the like of which I've not experienced since >moving here in 1969. (Can I blame this on America - climate change and the >like ??) :-) > > The first was at 12:15 one morning about 2 weeks ago. It knocked >out my telephone lines, my cordless telephone as well as the "lightning >protector" it was connected through, woke me up, scared the hell out of my >pets (dogs & cats) and me as well. Remember that this is an area prone to >heavy storms and I'm used to them but this one was just too close for comfort. > > The next one was at 5.20 last Saturday morning when we scored a >"direct hit". It woke me up and my first recollection was of this orange >fireball in my garden - it slowly faded away and I went and changed my >shorts :-). This one lasted for about an hour. > > It knocked out my main computer (also connected through all the >necessary protection) as well as burst a few underground water pipes (I >dunno how), broke some windowpanes and took my telephone connections out >completely. (The Lord alone knows why it did not take out my electricity as >well) > > This computer is the one that I do all my business on so I've had >a pretty stressful week trying to get this fixed. Fortunately all my data >is still intact and I do have backups but my business revolves around this >machine and finances preclude me from just going out and building a new >machine so I had to "fix" this one. I'm sure that many of you do know that >it's easier to just get a new machine but my whole business is configured >around his one. (Pentium 4 - 2 Gig) > > Anyway - buy a new motherboard, processor and memory and try to >get it sorted out using all my existing HD drives, DVD writer, CD Writer, >video capture card and additional I/O cards. > > HAH ! Get it working only to find that my monitor does not speak >to the new motherboard, - sort that out but the new motherboard also does >not have a parallel port ( it has the connection but does not have the >actual "plug in socket" (everything is USB these days but my signmaking >plotter only works on parallel - no USB). Back to the supplier (60 miles >round trip) for the parts. >Get some totally useless advice from their salesman that could have caused >my hard drive to crash had I followed it (with my "Data Recovery" >background I do know a bit about hard drives!). > > That's where I was an hour ago - 8.00 pm Friday night after having >wasted a whole week and got next to nothing done. > > Decision to be made - what next ? > > Answer - Pour a "Brandy & Coke" - write a totally irrelevant >letter to the guys on the SEL and leave the damn computer for tomorrow - so >this is that letter :-) ( and I feel better for it - thanks Guys - or maybe >it's the other "B&C's" I've poured since starting this post !). > >Keep well, >Jerry > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: >01/01/2008 12:09 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at wildblue.net Fri Jan 11 14:15:37 2008 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:15:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Attn. Peter Forbes In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111211719.00b97c60@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111211719.00b97c60@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4787EA89.9020007@wildblue.net> Jerry If Peter doesn't take it, I will. Clint Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Peter, > I saw your post about the NEC Floppy drive and looked through all > my manuals and literature but had nothing left on the NEC. > > Do you collect this kind of stuff? I have a "Brand New" "never > been used" Roctec external 5 1/4 floppy drive in it's original packing if > you are interested. You can have it for the cost of postage if you can use > it. It is packed in a polystyrene moulded shell and this is in turn packed > into a cardboard "sleeve" - the final size (of the box) is 365mm x 305mm x > 125mm which is quite big so postage could be a few bucks. > > Basically this is a Mitsumi Floppy Drive (1.2 Mb) built into an > external case with all the necessary connectors, cables and instruction > leaflet. It has never been used and I only opened it a few hours ago to > determine the make of the actual drive (Mitsumi). > > It is about 14 years old and I've been holding on to it in case I > wanted anything off my old "stiffies" but I've never used it and feel that > if I've not wanted to get anything off an old stiffy backup in that time > then I'm probably never going to! > > If you need pics then I can take some. > > Note to list members: I've offered this to Peter Forbes first but > if he does not need it then the offer is open to all members. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jan 11 16:38:04 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:38:04 EST Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/2008 2:26:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: in the last 2 weeks we have had 2 thunderstorms here, the like of which I've not experienced since moving here in 1969 Jerry, That is a bummer loosing all your stuff to the lightening. It is an awesome power! There was a question on this morning news about the wattage a lightening strike generates. The answer was 1 billion watts. Just down the road, lightening hit a tree in the woods, followed its root about 20 feet to the road ditch, blew a hole 2 feet in the ground to the telephone cable, followed the ditch about 300 feet up the road to the above ground telephone cable junction box, blew the cover off it out into the road and fried every wire in the box. At least that is how I surmised the sequence of events took place. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From jbcast at charter.net Fri Jan 11 18:23:41 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:23:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?Spam=3E_was_a_=22rant=22=2C_now_lightening?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080111212341.GPJOC.896785.root@fepweb01> Jerry, if it damaged underground pipes it's a wonder you had anything left to your electronics. It's strange the way lightening picks and chooses. I had a GMC Envoy in the shop a while back, struck by lightening. It went in through an antenna on the side glass, etched a track up to the roof and burnt a spot outside of the close hanger hook. The computer system was dead among other things. All of the modules communicate with each other, if one shorts it kills the system. I separated the information buss line and found the instrument cluster shorted. Once I got that working the diagnostics helped find two of the six coils shorted, one of the ABS wheel sensors, the two rear power window switches, one of the servo motors for the AC, and a starter relay. None of these things seemed to be in a path, makes you wonder what goes on in an event like this. I've had two telephones in the same locationin my home fried by lightening, the others were not touched. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jan 11 21:06:38 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:06:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I think you will have a better week next week. You couldn't have had a worse one and survived! Keep a stiff upper lip - there will be a brighter day tomorrow! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 01:17 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" > > > Hi Guys, > This is a really off topic post but what > the heck. > > I've had a really s___t week and just > feel like spreading the load > amongst my mates. ......................snip...................... From billmil357 at aol.com Fri Jan 11 20:31:36 2008 From: billmil357 at aol.com (billmil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:31:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral Message-ID: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> Hello Everyone, Sometimes I find it amazing what a few hundred pounds of old iron can do to bring a group of people together from all walks of life and all parts of the world. I guess it's the rust that gets in your blood. This evening we had the visitation at the funeral home for daddy. When we started to check the cards on the flowers and plants that had been sent I was really touched to find the beautiful plants from SEL. Thanks so much for the plants, thoughts and prayers. The people on this list were a very special part of Dad's life. Steve, I passed the story you told about Dad sending the picture directions on to his pastor and he is going to include it in the memorial service tomorrow. Thanks again, Randy Miller ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 01:17:25 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:17:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025160801120117j4e25315fgc3f04dd4918fe3db@mail.gmail.com> On 11/01/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys, > This is a really off topic post but what the heck. > > I've had a really s___t week and just feel like spreading the load > amongst my mates. > Sh*t happens! Couple of things you can do, get an ex-corporate PC, set it up with a wireless router and use it as a backup, every day. I can ship you some Compag EN SFF desktops at under ?50 plus shipping each, not high speed (733mhz to 1ghz) but very reliable. They are on ebay as well, look for "Compaq EN SFF", they are 1998 - 2001 manufacture. Spread your work stuff amongst more than one machine (I know, they are not cheap in SA) and think about a mains isolation transformer with an RCD/MCB on both sides and a BIG earth connection to the transformer frame and inter-winding screen, and if you have the secondary centre-tapped, ground the centre tap with something like a copper bar. A 10kVA tranny and MCB/RCD's will stop 'almost' anything, but you'll lose the MCB/RCD.s in a bad strike. Surge suppressors are pretty ineffective in my experience, unless you have the 4" cube sized ones, and they blow up spectacularly when lightning strikes anyway :-)) Provide a spark-gap to ground on your incoming supply if the utility doesn't have one, and fit them to BOTH supply conductors. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 01:23:11 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:23:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Attn. Peter Forbes In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111211719.00b97c60@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111211719.00b97c60@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025160801120123o725b21a9m374ca8399ba2f82f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/01/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Peter, > I saw your post about the NEC Floppy drive and looked through all > my manuals and literature but had nothing left on the NEC. > > Do you collect this kind of stuff? I have a "Brand New" "never > been used" Roctec external 5 1/4 floppy drive in it's original packing if > you are interested. You can have it for the cost of postage if you can use > it. It is packed in a polystyrene moulded shell and this is in turn packed > into a cardboard "sleeve" - the final size (of the box) is 365mm x 305mm x > 125mm which is quite big so postage could be a few bucks. > > Basically this is a Mitsumi Floppy Drive (1.2 Mb) built into an > external case with all the necessary connectors, cables and instruction > leaflet. It has never been used and I only opened it a few hours ago to > determine the make of the actual drive (Mitsumi). > > It is about 14 years old and I've been holding on to it in case I > wanted anything off my old "stiffies" but I've never used it and feel that > if I've not wanted to get anything off an old stiffy backup in that time > then I'm probably never going to! > > If you need pics then I can take some. > > Note to list members: I've offered this to Peter Forbes first but > if he does not need it then the offer is open to all members. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans Hi Jerry: Many thanks for the offer, it would be great if we were closer, but the freight costs would kill it for me, and we only need the drive, so it would be a shame to break it up. If Clint wants it, let him have it with my blessing. As far as the NEC drive goes, we have turned up almost nothing conclusive, and the supplier has agreed to let us have another drive anyway to replace it. What did turn up, was a large set of data from what looks like IBM, called the "Pocket Peripherals Guide" which lists all the different makes of hard drives, floppy disks, tape drives, CD players etc etc with appropriate jumper and connection information. NEC aren't on there, at least my drive wasn't, but it's useful stuff and I'll archive it for the future. HDD's go up to 1gb and MCA architecture is mentioned, so it's probably 1990's stuff. Thanks again for the kind offer, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From kimmell at verizon.net Sat Jan 12 07:44:22 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:44:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] was a "rant", now lightening In-Reply-To: <20080111212341.GPJOC.896785.root@fepweb01> References: <20080111212341.GPJOC.896785.root@fepweb01> Message-ID: <0JUJ00FJFFMH6DN2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> It's amazing what lightning can do. I was driving down I-55 in the semi during a bad lightning storm a few days ago, when the car in front of me got struck by a lightning bolt! Threw sparks all over the place and up onto the hood of my truck. The lightning had burned a hole in the roof and caught the headliner on fire which we put out with my fire extinguisher. Of course the car was toasted and wouldn't start so I let them call for help on my cell phone before taking off. Wierd stuff... -Tony From fsouthwell at googlemail.com Sat Jan 12 08:01:51 2008 From: fsouthwell at googlemail.com (Fred Southwell) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:01:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] was a "rant", now lightening In-Reply-To: <0JUJ00FJFFMH6DN2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <20080111212341.GPJOC.896785.root@fepweb01> <0JUJ00FJFFMH6DN2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3bd33b2e0801120801w278b3725y5eb55a7ecc70bc1f@mail.gmail.com> Many years ago I was called to a house that had a lightning strike. The TV wouldn't work even though it had been unplugged. As it turned out the lightning hadn't caused the TV problem but what caught my eye was a brown mark across the white Chinese carpet. What had happened was that the TV aerial cable had been unplugged and left laying on the floor. Fine you might think but across the other side of the room was a metal standard lamp that was still plugged in. Lightning hit the aerial and found its way across and through the carpet to the standard lamp. Result, one very expensive carpet cut across its diagonal! Fred On 12/01/2008, Tony & Jackie wrote: > > It's amazing what lightning can do. I was driving down I-55 in the > semi during a bad lightning storm a few days ago, when the car in > front of me got struck by a lightning bolt! Threw sparks all over > the place and up onto the hood of my truck. The lightning had burned > a hole in the roof and caught the headliner on fire which we put out > with my fire extinguisher. Of course the car was toasted and > wouldn't start so I let them call for help on my cell phone before > taking off. Wierd stuff... > > -Tony > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Fred. Nr Brighton U.K. See all my pictures at http://community.webshots.com/user/g6zru From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 12 14:35:13 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:35:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Another_Hunk_of_Iron?= Message-ID: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the photos after you enlarge them: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Sat Jan 12 14:46:32 2008 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:46:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002201c8556c$fad6f700$020ba8c0@Waynexp> Greetings Tommy, Very nice Otto. Congratulation! They must have decided to sell. Wayne Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:35 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the photos after you enlarge them: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Sat Jan 12 15:02:32 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:02:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron Message-ID: <380-22008161223232250@coastalnet.com> Google patent number 525828 for the ignitor. Great acquisition, Tommy! Ken > [Original Message] > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:35 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > > I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before > as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has > a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the > manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos > can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the > photos after you enlarge them: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 12 15:08:38 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:08:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <47894876.9090101@scrtc.com> I need to add the that I owe a big thank you to Eric Butler and his mother, who owned the enigne, for allowing me to purchase it as well as to Bob Naske who helped me make contact with the family and very graciously came and spent a Saturday morning helping load the engine. Last, I want to thank Steve Royster of NC. Steve told me of the engine and put me in touch with Bob. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before >as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has >a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the >manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos >can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the >photos after you enlarge them: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 12 15:15:05 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:15:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <380-22008161223232250@coastalnet.com> References: <380-22008161223232250@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <478949F9.5030903@scrtc.com> Thanks Ken! They really had something when they invented that ignitor. Just like the 4 cycle design, it set the standard for things to come. My engine doesn't have a tag on it but I notice in the patent info it says the patent was assigned to Schleicher Schumm. I wonder if my engine would have had a tag that just says "Otto Engine" as the later ones did or if it would have had a tag with Schleicher Schumm on it? Maybe some of our "Listers" can provide some info. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Ken Christison wrote: >Google patent number 525828 for the ignitor. > >Great acquisition, Tommy! > >Ken > > > > >>[Original Message] >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy >>Turner >>Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:35 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron >> >>I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before >>as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has >>a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the >>manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos >>can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the >>photos after you enlarge them: >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 12 15:15:43 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:15:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Beautiful Tommy, well done great addition to your collection Kerry > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Jan 12 18:33:12 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:33:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> Tommy that looks like it is all original am i right. R Fink At 05:35 PM 1/12/2008 -0500, you wrote: >I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before >as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has >a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the >manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos >can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the >photos after you enlarge them: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: >1/10/2008 1:32 PM From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 15:53:06 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:53:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> <20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: Tommy, Better get Curt to check it out before you decide.......I noticed that all the square nuts are put on backwards. You would think Otto would know better........ Or maybe it was built on a Monday morning....... Glad you got it Tommy! Congratulations, can I get a visitation agreement? Steve the good cloistered oyster brother. ps. my brother the bad cloistered oyster actually turned me on to this beauty years ago ! > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:33:12 -0800> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: nancydick at pennswoods.net> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron> > Tommy that looks like it is all original am i right.> R Fink> > > At 05:35 PM 1/12/2008 -0500, you wrote:> >I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before> >as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has> >a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the> >manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos> >can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the> >photos after you enlarge them:> >> >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0> >> >Tommy Turner> >Magnolia, KY> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________> >SEL mailing list> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> >> >--> >No virus found in this incoming message.> >Checked by AVG Free Edition.> >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: > >1/10/2008 1:32 PM> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 12 17:05:44 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:05:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> <20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <478963E8.9050908@scrtc.com> Yup, I think everything is factory set up. The only thing I put on it was the Lonergan oiler as someone had put a Michigan lubricator on it. The Lonergan I put on it is the correct style I think. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Richard Fink Sr wrote: >Tommy that looks like it is all original am i right. >R Fink > > >At 05:35 PM 1/12/2008 -0500, you wrote: > > >>I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before >>as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has >>a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the >>manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos >>can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the >>photos after you enlarge them: >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: >>1/10/2008 1:32 PM >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Jan 12 17:51:50 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:51:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000401c85586$dd870090$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Hi Tommy Thanks for posting the pictures of your new toy; I seem to remember seeing this engine or one like it at Coolspring some years ago. I bet you are pleased to have it. What can you tell us about the ductwork and blower? Or what ever it is. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho UAS > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:35 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > > I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before > as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has > a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the > manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos > can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the > photos after you enlarge them: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ NOD32 2787 (20080112) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 12 18:08:04 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:08:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <000401c85586$dd870090$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> References: <000401c85586$dd870090$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Message-ID: <47897284.8040006@scrtc.com> Dave, The blower looks a lot like a forge blower and may be the same as one. The casting its mounted on is specifically for the engine trucks though. Air goes up through the ductwork and circulates around the bottom of the tank. There is a center hole in tank, about 6 inches in diameter, that the air flows up though. There is some fins on it that causes the air to have to circulate around the top of the tank. I assume this it done to try to maximize the air flow and cooling effect. It then vents out through the top of the tank where it has probably 100 holes, about 1/8 to 3/16 diameter. Its quite a set up. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Otto wrote: >Hi Tommy > >Thanks for posting the pictures of your new toy; I seem to remember seeing >this engine or one like it at Coolspring some years ago. > >I bet you are pleased to have it. > >What can you tell us about the ductwork and blower? Or what ever it is. > >Dave > >Dave Otto >Boise, Idaho >UAS > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >>bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner >>Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:35 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron >> >>I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before >>as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has >>a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the >>manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos >>can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the >>photos after you enlarge them: >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>__________ NOD32 2787 (20080112) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Jan 12 18:32:10 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:32:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <47897284.8040006@scrtc.com> References: <000401c85586$dd870090$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> <47897284.8040006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: On Jan 12, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Dave, > The blower looks a lot like a forge blower and may be the same as > one. The casting its mounted on is specifically for the engine trucks > though. Air goes up through the ductwork and circulates around the > bottom of the tank. There is a center hole in tank, about 6 inches in > diameter, that the air flows up though. There is some fins on it that > causes the air to have to circulate around the top of the tank. I > assume this it done to try to maximize the air flow and cooling > effect. > It then vents out through the top of the tank where it has probably > 100 > holes, about 1/8 to 3/16 diameter. Its quite a set up. It's a beautiful engine Tommy. The fact that the thin metal is still intact just knocks my socks off. From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jan 12 19:42:35 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:42:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral In-Reply-To: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9CA18061-243E-4C4D-921C-8A2CA9C9D6CA@alltel.net> \ On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:31 PM, billmil357 at aol.com wrote: > Hello Everyone, > Sometimes I find it amazing what a few hundred pounds of old iron > can do to bring a group of people together from all walks of life > and all parts of the world. I guess it's the rust that gets in your > blood. > This evening we had the visitation at the funeral home for daddy. > When we started to check the cards on the flowers and plants that > had been sent I was really touched to find the beautiful plants > from SEL. Thanks so much for the plants, thoughts and prayers. The > people on this list were a very special part of Dad's life. > Steve, I passed the story you told about Dad sending the picture > directions on to his pastor and he is going to include it in the > memorial service tomorro > Thanks again, > Randy Miller Hi Randy, The List has always honored it's own-and will continue to do so. We know that Bill is at peace with his Maker now and is simply moving on. I wish that Bill was still here with us so that I could tell him that tomorrow I will take off in the morning to pick up that 1/4 scale Reid that he always admired. It's a John Burns built engine. Built in 1987 and a REAL GOOD looker and runner Thanks for the report Randy! Dave From jneth3 at mac.com Sat Jan 12 19:39:53 2008 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:39:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] was a "rant", now lightening In-Reply-To: <0JUJ00FJFFMH6DN2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <20080111212341.GPJOC.896785.root@fepweb01> <0JUJ00FJFFMH6DN2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <6BC8FB55-0117-1000-FD79-0C86D9F7E81A-Webmail-10011@mac.com> The safety rules for lightning may need to be changed. When camping in areas that are prone to lightning strikes you are told to get into your car when there is a storm. Heavy steel cars should protect the occupant because the charge should stay on the outer surface of the metal. With composite or plastic car bodies a bolt can go right thru. I have several trees on my property that have been struck over the years and seeing a portion of the tree blown away is impressive. Thank Ben Franklin and get lighting rods if you don;t have them. newbe John John W. Neth III 228 Old Milligan Highway Johnson City, TN 37601 423-434-0978 or 634 Elm St. Groveport, OH 43125-1216 614-836-3465 On Saturday, January 12, 2008, at 10:45AM, "Tony & Jackie" wrote: >It's amazing what lightning can do. I was driving down I-55 in the >semi during a bad lightning storm a few days ago, when the car in >front of me got struck by a lightning bolt! Threw sparks all over >the place and up onto the hood of my truck. The lightning had burned >a hole in the roof and caught the headliner on fire which we put out >with my fire extinguisher. Of course the car was toasted and >wouldn't start so I let them call for help on my cell phone before >taking off. Wierd stuff... > >-Tony > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jan 13 02:45:15 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:45:15 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Motor Cycle Lifts Message-ID: <003001c855d1$65bead60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> I know ,Peter but there is a certain satisfaction in making things if you have the know how and the equipment. Plus in my small way I am supporting Australian Industry [ BHP or Blue scope] Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Jan 13 05:37:54 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:37:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com><20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <002201c855e9$80782ec0$726f4b47@mikecomp> And your brother wishes he had the coin at the time to get it too! It's a true beauty. Mike (the true good cloistered oyster) Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > > Tommy, Better get Curt to check it out before you decide.......I > noticed that all the square nuts are put on backwards. You would think > Otto would know better........ Or maybe it was built on a Monday > morning....... Glad you got it Tommy! Congratulations, can I get a > visitation agreement? Steve the good cloistered oyster brother. > ps. my brother the bad cloistered oyster actually turned me on to this > beauty years ago ! > > >> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:33:12 -0800> To: >> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: nancydick at pennswoods.net> Subject: >> Re: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron> > Tommy that looks like it is all >> original am i right.> R Fink> > > At 05:35 PM 1/12/2008 -0500, you >> wrote:> >I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it >> before> >as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. >> It has> >a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure >> of the> >manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. >> Photos> >can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under >> the> >photos after you enlarge them:> >> >> >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0> >> >> >Tommy Turner> >Magnolia, KY> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________> >SEL mailing list> >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> >> >--> >No >> virus found in this incoming message.> >Chec! > ked by AVG Free Edition.> >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: > 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: > >1/10/2008 1:32 PM> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at btes.tv Sun Jan 13 06:41:08 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:41:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] was a "rant", now lightening In-Reply-To: <6BC8FB55-0117-1000-FD79-0C86D9F7E81A-Webmail-10011@mac.com> References: <20080111212341.GPJOC.896785.root@fepweb01> <0JUJ00FJFFMH6DN2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> <6BC8FB55-0117-1000-FD79-0C86D9F7E81A-Webmail-10011@mac.com> Message-ID: <8062a21239b4cef0efad6fa37b541956@btes.tv> On Jan 12, 2008, at 10:39 PM, John Neth wrote: > Thank Ben Franklin and get lighting rods if you don;t have them. When I built my house here 21 years ago I wanted lightning rods. I'd counted three trees on the lot that had been hit. I was told that putting lightning rods on my house would RAISE my insurance costs drastically. (Considered an indicator of high risk?) I've had a couple of trees in the yard hit since I've been here. Had a TV and a computer fried. Oh yeah, and a heat pump compressor. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ddotto at cableone.net Sun Jan 13 08:24:00 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:24:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <47897284.8040006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001801c85600$b4f17190$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Interesting, Thanks, Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 7:08 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > > Dave, > The blower looks a lot like a forge blower and may be the same as > one. The casting its mounted on is specifically for the engine trucks > though. Air goes up through the ductwork and circulates around the > bottom of the tank. There is a center hole in tank, about 6 inches in > diameter, that the air flows up though. There is some fins on it that > causes the air to have to circulate around the top of the tank. I > assume this it done to try to maximize the air flow and cooling effect. > It then vents out through the top of the tank where it has probably 100 > holes, about 1/8 to 3/16 diameter. Its quite a set up. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Dave Otto wrote: > > >Hi Tommy > > > >Thanks for posting the pictures of your new toy; I seem to remember > seeing > >this engine or one like it at Coolspring some years ago. > > > >I bet you are pleased to have it. > > > >What can you tell us about the ductwork and blower? Or what ever it is. > > > >Dave > > > >Dave Otto > >Boise, Idaho > >UAS > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > >>bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner > >>Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:35 PM > >>To: The SEL email discussion list > >>Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > >> > >>I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before > >>as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has > >>a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the > >>manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos > >>can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the > >>photos after you enlarge them: > >> > >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > >> > >>Tommy Turner > >>Magnolia, KY > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >>__________ NOD32 2787 (20080112) Information __________ > >> > >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ NOD32 2787 (20080112) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jan 13 08:35:19 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:35:19 EST Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron Message-ID: In a message dated 1/12/2008 5:54:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, wayne at lorenssanitation.com writes: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 Tommy, Congratulations on a great engine! Photo 20 showing the governor mechanism has a handle sticking up just left of the center of the photo. Does this change the timing/compression release/or what? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jan 13 09:35:43 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:35:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos Message-ID: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> I'm posting this off-topic item, here, only for the benefit of people who might have an interest in the topic. If you don't enjoy reading long articles, please feel welcome to use your Delete key right now. I wrote an essay that has been languishing for a number of months in want of an audience; then, an e-conversation made me realize the road to readership had been staring me right in the face, all along. So, I took the easy way out, took my essay about hydrogen, added some slap-dash formatting changes, saved it as an HTML document and threw it up on our Web site. http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm If just one person learns just one new thing about the topic, the effort will be worthwhile. If you have any suggestions or comments one way or another, please let me know. I then posted links on some bulletin boards and I thought you would enjoy reading the subsequent comments. As usual, people responded with arguments of all persuasions. If you'd like to dig deeper into the topic, here are the links to the BBs: http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27028 http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?t=78104 Someone else started the discussion at the following URL and I chimed in several posts later; "Bentwrench's posts are especially noteworthy. They are from a perspective as viewed by an engineer: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/showthread.php?t=148982 Thank you for your time. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Jan 13 09:56:03 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:56:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Orrin Iseminger wrote: > I'm posting this off-topic item, here, only for the benefit of > people who > might have an interest in the topic. It's not really off-topic, Orrin. Engines and fuel are what we're all about. I'll admit that I speed-read your article and was impressed. I'll take the time later to read it in detail. Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 13 10:12:10 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:12:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478A547A.3080507@scrtc.com> Tom, The vertical handle is a compression release. Slide it to the front and it engages a cam against the exhaust rocker opening it until the piston is about 2/3 the way up on the compression stroke. The horizontal handle sticking out at the governor is for speed adjustment. You slide the round disc with the bolt in the center in toward the governor to slow the speed and out to increase it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > >In a message dated 1/12/2008 5:54:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, >wayne at lorenssanitation.com writes: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > >Tommy, > >Congratulations on a great engine! > >Photo 20 showing the governor mechanism has a handle sticking up just left of >the center of the photo. Does this change the timing/compression release/or >what? > >Thanks, > > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >Germoamer at aol.com > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 13 10:38:11 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:38:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <478A5A93.5080009@scrtc.com> Very interesting Orrin and presents some issues that aren't discussed in the media when talking about hydrogen as a fuel technology. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Orrin Iseminger wrote: >I'm posting this off-topic item, here, only for the benefit of people who >might have an interest in the topic. If you don't enjoy reading long >articles, please feel welcome to use your Delete key right now. > >I wrote an essay that has been languishing for a number of months in want of >an audience; then, an e-conversation made me realize the road to readership >had been staring me right in the face, all along. > >So, I took the easy way out, took my essay about hydrogen, added some >slap-dash formatting changes, saved it as an HTML document and threw it up >on our Web site. > >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm > > >If just one person learns just one new thing about the topic, the effort >will be worthwhile. If you have any suggestions or comments one way or >another, please let me know. > >I then posted links on some bulletin boards and I thought you would enjoy >reading the subsequent comments. As usual, people responded with arguments >of all persuasions. If you'd like to dig deeper into the topic, here are >the links to the BBs: > >http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27028 > >http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?t=78104 > >Someone else started the discussion at the following URL and I chimed in >several posts later; "Bentwrench's posts are especially noteworthy. They >are from a perspective as viewed by an engineer: > >http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/showthread.php?t=148982 > >Thank you for your time. > >Best regards, > >Orrin > >Orrin Iseminger >Colton, Washington, USA >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm >So many projects. So little time. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 13 11:07:23 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:07:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1200251243.478a616b9eda6@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Tommy, Given the level of interest in this new beauty, I think a "command performance" is called for. Are ya gonna bring it to Coolspring or Portland? 8-))) See ya, Arnie Quoting Germoamer at aol.com: > Congratulations on a great engine! > Photo 20 showing the governor mechanism has a handle sticking up just left of > the center of the photo. Does this change the timing/compression release/or > what? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 13 11:42:35 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:42:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <1200251243.478a616b9eda6@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1200251243.478a616b9eda6@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <478A69AB.1040502@scrtc.com> Arnie, Not sure as it depends on how much time I get to play between now and then. I'd like to bring it to Portland as I'll probably bring a Domestic to Coolspring. I've got a 12 HP Domestic I'd like to bring if I can get it ready in time. Just not enough hours of available play time in the day. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hey Tommy, > >Given the level of interest in this new beauty, I think a "command performance" >is called for. Are ya gonna bring it to Coolspring or Portland? 8-))) > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Germoamer at aol.com: > > > >>Congratulations on a great engine! >>Photo 20 showing the governor mechanism has a handle sticking up just left of >>the center of the photo. Does this change the timing/compression release/or >>what? >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 13 11:57:41 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:57:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <002201c855e9$80782ec0$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com><20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> <002201c855e9$80782ec0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <478A6D35.90801@scrtc.com> Mike, Now both of you guys are pretty good fella's. BUT, Steve is the one who helped me connect on the old iron (after you helped him connect to it!). Both of you need to stop by when up my way. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >And your brother wishes he had the coin at the time to get it too! It's a >true beauty. > >Mike (the true good cloistered oyster) Royster > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Royster" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:53 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > > > > >>Tommy, Better get Curt to check it out before you decide.......I >>noticed that all the square nuts are put on backwards. You would think >>Otto would know better........ Or maybe it was built on a Monday >>morning....... Glad you got it Tommy! Congratulations, can I get a >>visitation agreement? Steve the good cloistered oyster brother. >>ps. my brother the bad cloistered oyster actually turned me on to this >>beauty years ago ! >> >> >> >> >> > > From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jan 13 12:16:54 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:16:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801132017.m0DKH52V017826@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you, Rob, for your kind and generous words. I hope the readers of this forum don't feel used when I explain that this whole on-line exercise came about from an argument with a newspaper journalist. I posted my article on our Web page to demonstrate that the Internet provides a whole lot more effective way to be heard than the use of the editorial page of a local newspaper. It was a case of winning the debate, but losing the war. :-) It brought about the end of a beautiful friendship. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. :-) Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:56 AM To: Stationary-Engine ATIS Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos On Jan 13, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Orrin Iseminger wrote: > I'm posting this off-topic item, here, only for the benefit of > people who > might have an interest in the topic. It's not really off-topic, Orrin. Engines and fuel are what we're all about. I'll admit that I speed-read your article and was impressed. I'll take the time later to read it in detail. Rob From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jan 13 12:19:13 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:19:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <478A5A93.5080009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200801132019.m0DKJONe021950@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you, Tommy. I appreciate your comment. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:38 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos Very interesting Orrin and presents some issues that aren't discussed in the media when talking about hydrogen as a fuel technology. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From kimmell at verizon.net Sun Jan 13 13:01:15 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:01:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <0JUL00ATSOVTJAH2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> That was a very good read. I'm far from a scientist, but it doesn't take much research for an intelligent person to find that Hydrogen is not the answer to a fuel crisis (for those of you who actually believe in this "so called" fuel crisis). Hydrogen and Ethanol seem to be the two biggest alternative fuels that are currently being shoved down everyone's throat. It's also interesting to note that they are the two that make the least sense. Ethanol shares quite a bit with hydrogen in the fact that it costs more energy to make it than is recovered when it is burned. It also takes very expensive mods to run a car on ethanol that was not originally designed for it. And those that are factory designed for ethanol are more expensive than their straight gasoline burning counterparts. Any way you slice it, being "green" in the mainstream way comes at a high price. A price that is nothing more than a fashion statement. It's a shame the USA got away from diesels after the mid 80's, otherwise bio-diesel would be a more viable solution. It is still the best alternative fuel option that I have seen. Also still a good option for the USA considering every semi tractor on the road can use the stuff with virtually no modifications. Not to mention all the old Mercedes and Volkswagen diesels still running around. Places like Europe are perfect, where something like 70% of the automobiles on the road are powered by a diesel engine. Bio-diesel can be run in ANY diesel engine with nothing more than a fuel line change in some of the older cars and trucks that still have natural rubber lines. I guess bio-diesel is too much of a threat to big oil... otherwise we might see more of it. -Tony From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 13 13:38:13 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:38:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <200801132017.m0DKH52V017826@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200801132017.m0DKH52V017826@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <1200260293.478a84c5360fd@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Orrin, In your research, did you dig much into the use of metal hydrides as a storage medium for the hydrogen to be used in a hydrogen fuel cell? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydride http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell If I had to wager, I'll bet that's the direction that things go. I agree with the issues you raise about the difficulties and dangers of either compressed or liquified hydrogen. We used liquid hydrogen as a coolent, moderator, and propellent in the NERVA nuclear rocket engine. NASTY, tricky stuff!! In the energy debate, many folks miss the point that many of the discussions are about energy transfer and fuel displacement rather than "using less energy." Consider a nuclear power plant that "burns" uranium as fuel, typically producing electricty as the end product. There really isn't any other use for that uranium. To transfer that energy from the uranium to automobiles, for example, one can use the electricity to recharge batteries, or make hydrogen which can be moved to where the use is. An example of fuel displacement would be all the jet fuel used by airplanes. One can "displace" that oil usage by using the nuke-generated electricty to power high-speed bullet trains that offer comparable transit time city-center to city-center. Granted, here in the USA, there's a considerable investment required to build up infrastructure that we don't have, but we only have to look to major nuclear power using countries (France, Japan, Korea) that also have many bullet trains in routine service to see that the strategy can be highly successful. Thanks for a good, thought-provoking article. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Orrin Iseminger : http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/H2Hype/AnH2Muse.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 13 14:15:33 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:15:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Lesson in how to bid on eBay. NOT. Message-ID: <1200262533.478a8d8533610@webmail.city-net.com> You've heard the old expression relative to the Charity Auction, "bid early, bid often, and bid against yourself if possible." I think these jamokes took that advice seriously!! Check out the bid history! ----- Forwarded message from eBay ----- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200190043388 ================================================================= MONITOR HIT and MISS PUMPJACK MOTOR ( UNRESTORED) From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 14:40:15 2008 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:40:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] A Lesson in how to bid on eBay. NOT. In-Reply-To: <1200262533.478a8d8533610@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <831324.36672.qm@web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do you think that they even noticed that the check valve and the exhaust valve cage are missing? Joe --- fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > You've heard the old expression relative to the Charity Auction, "bid > early, > bid often, and bid against yourself if possible." > > I think these jamokes took that advice seriously!! Check out the bid > history! > > ----- Forwarded message from eBay ----- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200190043388 > ================================================================= > MONITOR HIT and MISS PUMPJACK MOTOR ( UNRESTORED) Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Jan 13 15:59:36 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:59:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Orrin: We must be two peas in a pod! Ever since the first hydrogen fuelled cars were publicized, I've had many reservations about using it as a motor fuel aside from the ineffeciencies of production, storage, etc. Now, the pols and lobbyists want us to embrace ethanol, another poor choice. If you're gonna grow it to run your car, run your DIESEL car from it! Take care - Elden (a dedicated Diesel Freak) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 13 15:00:02 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:00:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Lesson in how to bid on eBay. NOT. In-Reply-To: <1200262533.478a8d8533610@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1200262533.478a8d8533610@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <478A97F2.5030109@scrtc.com> Arnie, I've seen people do that before. A person will have a good bid of $50 on an item. Another person bids and they set their max at $200. Then the person who had the $50 bid, bids $54, he's not the high bid so he then bids $56, he's not the high bid so he then bids $58, etc, etc. Some people try to treat ebay like its a live auction, if you bid $50, I'll bid $52. While the principle is the same with ebay, the symantics of how its done is so much different. If they put in their best bid at the beginning, there would be 10 bids instead of 100. But, I've done the same thing at live auctions. I want an item but I'm not going to give over $500 for it. When bidding gets to $500, I go on and bid $525. When it gets to $550, I go on and bid $575. I end up getting it for $200 more than I intended to pay. It makes life fun and the wife happy! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >You've heard the old expression relative to the Charity Auction, "bid early, >bid often, and bid against yourself if possible." > >I think these jamokes took that advice seriously!! Check out the bid history! > >----- Forwarded message from eBay ----- > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200190043388 >================================================================= >MONITOR HIT and MISS PUMPJACK MOTOR ( UNRESTORED) > > > > > From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Sun Jan 13 15:00:34 2008 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:00:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <0JUL00ATSOVTJAH2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> <0JUL00ATSOVTJAH2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3674A397-7E60-4614-A0B5-222903C1E44C@rustyiron.com> it's no threat to big oil... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/01/BUG7RJ5F1T1.DTL and they are also playing with hydrogen http://technologyventures.chevron.com/commercialize_tech/hydrogen_energy_stations.asp and still finding ways and going strong for domestic oil http://www.innovation-america.org/archive.php?articleID=35 ********** Kelley Garcia La habra Kalifornia On Jan 13, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Tony & Jackie wrote: > That was a very good read. I'm far from a scientist, but it doesn't > take much research for an intelligent person to find that Hydrogen is > not the answer to a fuel crisis (for those of you who actually > believe in this "so called" fuel crisis). Hydrogen and Ethanol seem > to be the two biggest alternative fuels that are currently being > shoved down everyone's throat. It's also interesting to note that > they are the two that make the least sense. Ethanol shares quite a > bit with hydrogen in the fact that it costs more energy to make it > than is recovered when it is burned. It also takes very expensive > mods to run a car on ethanol that was not originally designed for > it. And those that are factory designed for ethanol are more > expensive than their straight gasoline burning counterparts. Any way > you slice it, being "green" in the mainstream way comes at a high > price. A price that is nothing more than a fashion statement. > > It's a shame the USA got away from diesels after the mid 80's, > otherwise bio-diesel would be a more viable solution. It is still > the best alternative fuel option that I have seen. Also still a good > option for the USA considering every semi tractor on the road can use > the stuff with virtually no modifications. Not to mention all the > old Mercedes and Volkswagen diesels still running around. Places > like Europe are perfect, where something like 70% of the automobiles > on the road are powered by a diesel engine. Bio-diesel can be run in > ANY diesel engine with nothing more than a fuel line change in some > of the older cars and trucks that still have natural rubber lines. > > I guess bio-diesel is too much of a threat to big oil... otherwise we > might see more of it. > > -Tony > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Sun Jan 13 16:45:07 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:45:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan questions Message-ID: <20080113194507.IX4Y1.89595.root@fepweb15> I picked up the 8HP Titan yesterday, forgot the camera. The serial # is in the 890's, any idea of the date of mfg? This engine is throttle governed, is that the difference between it and a Famous? There was a bracket on the ignitor, it's broken off. I guess it had a mag, what would it have come with and were they available with battery ignition? It looks like it was a kero engine from the mixer design, but there are parts missing, throttle levers and links among them. Tommy Turner said the fuel pump was common to other IHC engines, what should I be looking for? These are pictures from my fisrt trip, I'll bring the camera and post some more. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-020S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-019S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-018S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-017S.jpg From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sun Jan 13 17:00:46 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:00:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan questions References: <20080113194507.IX4Y1.89595.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <003501c85648$e5e5b610$1700a8c0@PaulLaptop> I like it, guess what . it is not stuck :)) Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan questions >I picked up the 8HP Titan yesterday, forgot the camera. The serial # is in >the 890's, any idea of the date of mfg? This engine is throttle governed, >is that the difference between it and a Famous? There was a bracket on the >ignitor, it's broken off. I guess it had a mag, what would it have come >with and were they available with battery ignition? It looks like it was a >kero engine from the mixer design, but there are parts missing, throttle >levers and links among them. Tommy Turner said the fuel pump was common to >other IHC engines, what should I be looking for? These are pictures from my >fisrt trip, I'll bring the camera and post some more. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-020S.jpg > http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-019S.jpg > http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-018S.jpg > http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-017S.jpg > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jan 13 17:23:24 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:23:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel for personal autos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801140123.m0E1NbeB047029@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos Orrin: We must be two peas in a pod! Ever since the first hydrogen fuelled cars were publicized, I've had many reservations about using it as a motor fuel aside from the ineffeciencies of production, storage, etc. Now, the pols and lobbyists want us to embrace ethanol, another poor choice. If you're gonna grow it to run your car, run your DIESEL car from it! Take care - Elden (a dedicated Diesel Freak) ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eldon, we most certainly are of the same mind! The following borrows heavily from an e-mail I recently sent to National Public Radio's "Science Friday" program host, Ira Flatow. Before you read it, however, let me point out that the Honda Diesels mentioned were production models without modifications to their engines. This is brought out in the linked Web page. The mileage run was done on a track as well as public thoroughfares. Orrin ~~~~~~~~~ I am pro-clean-air, so I understand the reason behind automobile exhaust restrictions; but, I cannot understand why the US cannot be like European countries that are already achieving somewhere in the vicinity of a 35 mpg fleet average, the goal congress is trying to set for the USA some thirteen years hence! Take a look at this: "U.K., May 6, 2004 - Honda's new Accord 2.2 i-CTDi Sport has this week set no fewer than 19 world speed records and achieved 3.07 litres / 100 km (92 mpg) fuel economy to boot." http://world.honda.com/news/2004/4040506.html That was over three years ago! Of course, the numbers are not quite as impressive when one realizes the 92 miles per Imperial gallon translates to *only* 76.6 (IIRC) mpg US. Even so, 76+ mpg is mighty impressive! Granted, that car was "tricked out" and highly tuned by Honda engineers; but, the fact remains that kind of economy is achievable with today's technology. My question is, "Why are we not seeing Honda Diesels in US showrooms, today? Why are we not driving high mileage Diesels in the US?" Is the Clean Air Act providing the US manufacturers with an excuse to not develop high mileage vehicles? I don't know. I only wish I knew. I'm completely baffled over all the hype over hybrids, electrics, and fuel cells when ordinary Diesel-powered VW pick-up trucks available in the US twenty years ago could easily obtain 50 mpg fuel economy; in our family we drove a circa 1980 Isuzu Diesel-powered sedan that easily topped 50 mpg at Interstate speeds. (BTW, it was a very fun car to drive, quiet, comfortable and it handled like a sports car.) It seems to me that it would be much easier to clean up Diesel exhaust than to develop a whole new battery or fuel cell technology and a whole new infrastructure to support it/them. I will concede that a Diesel engine will put CO2 into the air, but so will the 35 mpg fleet average this country is shooting for in thirteen years. The technology is already available, now, that could slash this country's petroleum consumption. Unfortunately, we do not have the political leadership nor the courage in congress to get the job done. The politician shrugs and says the marketplace will decide. Sometimes, the marketplace needs a nudge, an incentive. The politician is more likely to jump onto the current bandwagon and make pretty speeches filled with words like hydrogen or fuel cell or ethanol, just to let folks know he's up with the latest darling fad. How do we go about educating the public and the politicians in order to show them our current technology will take us where we want to go? We don't need pie-in-the-sky solutions [such as metal-hydride hydrogen storage, etc]. We need leadership. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jan 13 18:02:26 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:02:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <1200260293.478a84c5360fd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <200801140202.m0E22dg5003407@mail-gw.fsr.net> Arnie, I am aware of the research into metal hydrides. Almost every day, during station breaks on WSU's radio, a canned message reminds people of the metal hydride research on campus. I purposely didn't go into it, however, because present-day state of the art is compressed or liquefied hydrogen. My gripe has to do with the media not addressing the safety issues surrounding them. Thank you for your compliment, Arnie. Coming from someone with your background, it is a bit extra-special. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:38 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos Hi Orrin, In your research, did you dig much into the use of metal hydrides as a storage medium for the hydrogen to be used in a hydrogen fuel cell? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydride http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell If I had to wager, I'll bet that's the direction that things go. Big snip Thanks for a good, thought-provoking article. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Orrin Iseminger : http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/H2Hype/AnH2Muse.htm From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Sun Jan 13 18:19:26 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:19:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <013b01c85653$e369dfa0$8501a8c0@LapTop> 1-13-08 Hi Paul, I had company for several days and didn't play on my computer. Tonight I just learned that you dear friend, Bill Miller passed from this life into the next. I'm sorry for your loss, as well as his family's. Today, we attended the service for a friend who was battling lung cancer. He to put up a courageous fight. He attended a lot of engine shows with his brother in law who is an engine man and a friend of mine. Again Paul, I'm sorry. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 13 19:09:41 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:09:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <013b01c85653$e369dfa0$8501a8c0@LapTop> Message-ID: <01c401c8565a$e8967900$210110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Arthur for your condolences, they are appreciated. I am sorry to hear of the loss of your friend also, it seems we are losing many good folks lately. This brings home the need for each of us to try and live ever day as if we knew it would be our last and to put behind us little things that mean nothing yet consumes our time. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "ArthurDeana Southwell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > 1-13-08 > > Hi Paul, > > I had company for several days and didn't play on my computer. Tonight I > just learned that you dear friend, Bill Miller passed from this life into > the next. I'm sorry for your loss, as well as his family's. > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Jan 13 20:11:16 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:11:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Spam> Another Hunk of Iron References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com><20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> <002201c855e9$80782ec0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <478A6D35.90801@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000c01c85663$828c1a30$726f4b47@mikecomp> We'd be honored to see you and all the beauties! Hopefully we can cure Steve long enough for a short trip to your fine state. Poor soul, he has the worst case of petticoat fever I have ever seen! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] spam: Re: Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > Mike, > Now both of you guys are pretty good fella's. BUT, Steve is the one > who helped me connect on the old iron (after you helped him connect to > it!). Both of you need to stop by when up my way. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>And your brother wishes he had the coin at the time to get it too! It's a >>true beauty. >> >>Mike (the true good cloistered oyster) Royster >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Steve Royster" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:53 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron >> >> >> >> >>>Tommy, Better get Curt to check it out before you decide.......I >>>noticed that all the square nuts are put on backwards. You would think >>>Otto would know better........ Or maybe it was built on a Monday >>>morning....... Glad you got it Tommy! Congratulations, can I get a >>>visitation agreement? Steve the good cloistered oyster brother. >>>ps. my brother the bad cloistered oyster actually turned me on to this >>>beauty years ago ! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jan 13 23:38:06 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:38:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20080114073802.QLVC25612.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> HI Tommy, That is a good find & a very original and unique engine. That cooling system is very unusual. How effective do you think it would be? Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the photos after you enlarge them: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Jan 14 00:02:08 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:02:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... Message-ID: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is asbestos sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system catches up to ours they'll stop using it too! Regards Paul From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 00:06:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:06:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] A Lesson in how to bid on eBay. NOT. In-Reply-To: <1200262533.478a8d8533610@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1200262533.478a8d8533610@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801140006g60b26e76q7e6abe2c786efe5@mail.gmail.com> On 13/01/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > You've heard the old expression relative to the Charity Auction, "bid early, > bid often, and bid against yourself if possible." > > I think these jamokes took that advice seriously!! Check out the bid history! > > ----- Forwarded message from eBay ----- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200190043388 Worth taking a detailed look at the bidders as well. (as detailed as Ebay will let you, anyway) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jan 14 03:45:32 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:45:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <20080114073802.QLVC25612.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080114073802.QLVC25612.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <478B4B5C.50200@scrtc.com> Patrick, I think it would be marginal but would certainly provide some benefit. My guess is problems with overheating caused it demise. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >HI Tommy, > That is a good find & a very original and unique engine. That >cooling system is very unusual. How effective do you think it would be? >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >-----Original Message----- > >I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before >as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has >a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the >manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos >can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the >photos after you enlarge them: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 14 06:09:44 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:09:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Why do you consider this "scary"? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 14, 2008, at 3:02 AM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're > real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is > asbestos > sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system > catches > up to ours they'll stop using it too! > > Regards > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 14 06:48:00 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:48:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel for personal autos References: <200801140123.m0E1NbeB047029@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <002701c856bc$75d67b10$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I am in on it too . I have two customers building hydrocars , one actively I wrote him $200worth of ticket(s )Sat (back and forth to townall day) and sold him a $500 6/12/24v charger on friday . It has been an ongoing plumbing adventure for months From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 14 07:10:11 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:10:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Paul, I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or worse. TTYL, Mark At 03:02 AM 1/14/08, you wrote: >I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're >real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is asbestos >sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system catches >up to ours they'll stop using it too! > >Regards >Paul Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 14 07:53:52 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:53:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos References: Message-ID: <014501c856c5$a94ea9f0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> damn that was good ! The only problem I see is that I must often give the answers to complex questions in less that 5 or six syllables , or it aint happenin ' . Chuck ps Hydro just left again (fixed him up with an adjustable psi fuel pump setup ) kaching From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Jan 14 08:18:54 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:18:54 EST Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... Message-ID: Hi Mark, I would be surprised if a large number of our group do not have asbestos on hand. I know I keep some in sheet form which I can use for a gasket or heat insulation. I do store it in a sealed bag and don't use it where it might be shattered and blown about by an air cooled engine although those precautions aren't really necessary, as after I soak it in mercury it doesn't blow around all that much. Ron if needed. In a message dated 1/14/2008 10:14:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, frappi at wcoil.com writes: Hi Paul, I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or worse. TTYL, Mark **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jan 14 09:52:14 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:52:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1066.12.223.26.26.1200333134.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> You mean like water? > Hi Paul, > I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know > what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to > manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe > for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who > knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be > eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but > it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it > thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would > not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many > uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or > worse. > > TTYL, Mark > > > At 03:02 AM 1/14/08, you wrote: >>I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're >>real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is asbestos >>sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system catches >>up to ours they'll stop using it too! >> >>Regards >>Paul > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 14 11:00:37 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:00:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <1066.12.223.26.26.1200333134.squirrel@www.antique-engines. com> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> <1066.12.223.26.26.1200333134.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080114135942.02f4cc80@pop3.wcoil.com> Even water can harm you. Mark At 12:52 PM 1/14/08, you wrote: >You mean like water? > > > Hi Paul, > > I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know > > what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to > > manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe > > for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who > > knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be > > eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but > > it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it > > thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would > > not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many > > uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or > > worse. > > > > TTYL, Mark > > > > > > At 03:02 AM 1/14/08, you wrote: > >>I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're > >>real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is asbestos > >>sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system catches > >>up to ours they'll stop using it too! > >> > >>Regards > >>Paul > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > > Parts lists available on request. > > > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > > No Sunday calls if possible. > > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > > represent > > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 14 11:14:08 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:14:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080114140910.02f501b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Ron, Mercury thats a great Idea! and easier then the way I keep my asbestos. I happened to get a barrel of old oil from transformers years ago when they tore the old power plant down, here in town. I soak all my asbestos in that. Also spray it on the weeds in the fence row to keep them down too. GRINNNNNN JUST KIDDING FOLKS TTYL, Mark At 11:18 AM 1/14/08, you wrote: > >Hi Mark, >I would be surprised if a large number of our group do not have asbestos on >hand. I know I keep some in sheet form which I can use for a gasket or heat >insulation. I do store it in a sealed bag and don't use it where it might be >shattered and blown about by an air cooled engine although those precautions >aren't really necessary, as after I soak it in mercury it doesn't blow >around all >that much. >Ron > > > if needed. > >In a message dated 1/14/2008 10:14:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, >frappi at wcoil.com writes: > >Hi Paul, >I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know >what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to >manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe >for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who >knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be >eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but >it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it >thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would >not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many >uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or >worse. > >TTYL, Mark > > > > > >**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jan 14 11:52:51 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:52:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <009c01c856e9$227068a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Aha! We in Oz KNOW That ANYONE coming near asbestos without full body protection, will die a horrible death. Our govt told us so, therefore it MUST be correct! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... > Hi Paul, > I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know > what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to > manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe > for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who > knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be > eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but > it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it > thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would > not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many > uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or > worse. > > TTYL, Mark > > > At 03:02 AM 1/14/08, you wrote: >>I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're >>real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is asbestos >>sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system catches >>up to ours they'll stop using it too! >> >>Regards >>Paul > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jan 14 12:31:21 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:31:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080114135942.02f4cc80@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> <1066.12.223.26.26.1200333134.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114135942.02f4cc80@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <478BC699.3030308@imc-group.com> The 96% water in beer has caused me a heap of trouble on numerous occasions. Nearly got me kicked out of student housing at Clemson one time! Gotta watch that water. :-) Curt Mark Shulaw wrote: > Even water can harm you. Mark > > At 12:52 PM 1/14/08, you wrote: > >> You mean like water? >> >> From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jan 14 13:57:52 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:57:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel for personal autos In-Reply-To: <200801140123.m0E1NbeB047029@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Orrin: I must be a bit ahead of the curve. In 1978, I put a 154 Cubic inch Perkins Diesel in a 1950 Chevy sedan and, after adding a turbo and overdrive, I once got 44mpg with it. Usually, I got between 36 and 40 mpg depending on how I drove it. Now, we have a VW Jetta TDI and it regularly gets 44 mpg. Once, it got almost 48 mpg. I could live with about half the power in that little wagon and get a LOT better mileage. I think you're right. Our pols have their heads stuffed right there where the sun don't shine and are pandering to the gas guzzlers. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Orrin > Iseminger > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 07:23 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a > fuel for personal autos > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] > On Behalf Of Elden DuRand > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a > fuel personal autos > > Orrin: > > We must be two peas in a pod! Ever since the > first hydrogen fuelled cars > were publicized, I've had many reservations about > using it as a motor fuel > aside from the ineffeciencies of production, storage, etc. > > Now, the pols and lobbyists want us to embrace > ethanol, another poor choice. > > If you're gonna grow it to run your car, run your > DIESEL car from it! > > Take care - Elden > (a dedicated Diesel Freak) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Eldon, we most certainly are of the same mind! > The following borrows > heavily from an e-mail I recently sent to > National Public Radio's "Science > Friday" program host, Ira Flatow. > > Before you read it, however, let me point out > that the Honda Diesels > mentioned were production models without > modifications to their engines. > This is brought out in the linked Web page. The > mileage run was done on a > track as well as public thoroughfares. > > Orrin > ~~~~~~~~~ > I am pro-clean-air, so I understand the reason > behind automobile exhaust > restrictions; but, I cannot understand why the US > cannot be like European > countries that are already achieving somewhere in > the vicinity of a 35 mpg > fleet average, the goal congress is trying to set > for the USA some thirteen > years hence! > > Take a look at this: > > "U.K., May 6, 2004 - Honda's new Accord 2.2 > i-CTDi Sport has this week set > no fewer than 19 world speed records and achieved > 3.07 litres / 100 km (92 > mpg) fuel economy to boot." > > http://world.honda.com/news/2004/4040506.html > > That was over three years ago! Of course, the > numbers are not quite as > impressive when one realizes the 92 miles per > Imperial gallon translates to > *only* 76.6 (IIRC) mpg US. Even so, 76+ mpg is > mighty impressive! > > Granted, that car was "tricked out" and highly > tuned by Honda engineers; > but, the fact remains that kind of economy is > achievable with today's > technology. > > My question is, "Why are we not seeing Honda > Diesels in US showrooms, today? > Why are we not driving high mileage Diesels in > the US?" Is the Clean Air > Act providing the US manufacturers with an excuse > to not develop high > mileage vehicles? I don't know. I only wish I knew. > > I'm completely baffled over all the hype over > hybrids, electrics, and fuel > cells when ordinary Diesel-powered VW pick-up > trucks available in the US > twenty years ago could easily obtain 50 mpg fuel > economy; in our family we > drove a circa 1980 Isuzu Diesel-powered sedan > that easily topped 50 mpg at > Interstate speeds. (BTW, it was a very fun car > to drive, quiet, comfortable > and it handled like a sports car.) It seems to > me that it would be much > easier to clean up Diesel exhaust than to develop > a whole new battery or > fuel cell technology and a whole new > infrastructure to support it/them. > > I will concede that a Diesel engine will put CO2 > into the air, but so will > the 35 mpg fleet average this country is shooting > for in thirteen years. > > The technology is already available, now, that > could slash this country's > petroleum consumption. Unfortunately, we do not > have the political > leadership nor the courage in congress to get the > job done. The politician > shrugs and says the marketplace will decide. > Sometimes, the marketplace > needs a nudge, an incentive. > > The politician is more likely to jump onto the > current bandwagon and make > pretty speeches filled with words like hydrogen > or fuel cell or ethanol, > just to let folks know he's up with the latest > darling fad. > > How do we go about educating the public and the > politicians in order to show > them our current technology will take us where we > want to go? We don't need > pie-in-the-sky solutions [such as metal-hydride > hydrogen storage, etc]. We > need leadership. > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 14 13:23:02 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:23:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... OFF TOPIC In-Reply-To: <478BC699.3030308@imc-group.com> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> <1066.12.223.26.26.1200333134.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114135942.02f4cc80@pop3.wcoil.com> <478BC699.3030308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080114154230.02f4ea70@pop3.wcoil.com> I really want to come back and state I'm not out to down play the pain and suffering thats been caused by Asbestos exposure, I know its affects from first hand observation, and its not a pretty thing. My ex, "Karen" lost her father from complications attributed to asbestosis. I'm just saying there are many things that can kill us in even greater numbers then asbestos. And most are in common use because we learn how to minimize the risk to some degree by proper controlled manufacture and use. As for the water thing there were well over 3400 deaths in the US in 2000 from drowning. and there were that many or more hospitalized with serious life long complications due to extended submersion. Let alone the fact that you CAN drink too much water. Its called Water Intoxication. This is a problem mostly seen in infants and atheletes. TTYL, Mark At 03:31 PM 1/14/08, you wrote: >The 96% water in beer has caused me a heap of trouble on numerous >occasions. Nearly got me kicked out of student housing at Clemson one time! >Gotta watch that water. :-) >Curt > >Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Even water can harm you. Mark > > > > At 12:52 PM 1/14/08, you wrote: > > > >> You mean like water? > >> > >> Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 14 14:00:07 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:00:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <009c01c856e9$227068a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> <009c01c856e9$227068a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <8917334E-AEDC-49A5-8CA3-41268C6E991B@alltel.net> Say what you want Reg, but EVERYONE who comes into contact with even a TINY bit of asbestos will eventually die. And that's a FACT! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 14, 2008, at 2:52 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Aha! We in Oz KNOW That ANYONE coming near asbestos without full body > protection, will die a horrible death. Our govt told us so, > therefore it > MUST be correct! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Shulaw" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... > > >> Hi Paul, >> I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we >> know >> what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out >> ways to >> manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats >> unsafe >> for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this >> yet who >> knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have >> to be >> eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a >> problem but >> it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been >> around it >> thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so >> it would >> not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product >> in many >> uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause >> harm or >> worse. >> >> TTYL, Mark >> >> >> At 03:02 AM 1/14/08, you wrote: >>> I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're >>> real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is >>> asbestos >>> sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system >>> catches >>> up to ours they'll stop using it too! >>> >>> Regards >>> Paul >> >> Mark & Christine Shulaw >> 454 Co. Rd. 33 >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> >> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >> Parts lists available on request. >> >> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >> No Sunday calls if possible. >> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I >> represent >> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, >> Preservationist and >> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 14:02:36 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:02:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <8917334E-AEDC-49A5-8CA3-41268C6E991B@alltel.net> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> <009c01c856e9$227068a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <8917334E-AEDC-49A5-8CA3-41268C6E991B@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160801141402n6743fb42l4418ed4ab0cd8ec2@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > Say what you want Reg, but EVERYONE who comes into contact with even > a TINY bit of asbestos will eventually die. And that's a FACT! > Dave > AMEN! PS: The Portland Countdown could do with a bit of TLC sometime... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jan 14 14:26:23 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:26:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. Message-ID: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> Several on the list know engines are on hold for a while in our house as a new project is underway. Son Devin will be driving in a couple of years and we picked out a vehicle to restore for him. Something requiring sweat equity, something kewl, and something not very fast....a 61' Willys Overland wagon. My granddad had one in the groves in Florida and I've always had a soft spot for them. Devin fell head over heals for them. He really liked the pickup version but was too tall to fit in it. The factory did little for rust prevention and this makes for a lot of work nearly 50 years later. Here are the back cab repairs. And the tailgate repairs. A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the update. Curt Holland From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Jan 14 14:46:48 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:46:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... References: Message-ID: <002e01c856ff$592efd00$726f4b47@mikecomp> I do the same thing, but I put a good coat of lead paint on it to keep it fresh.. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... > > Hi Mark, > I would be surprised if a large number of our group do not have asbestos > on > hand. I know I keep some in sheet form which I can use for a gasket or > heat > insulation. I do store it in a sealed bag and don't use it where it might > be > shattered and blown about by an air cooled engine although those > precautions > aren't really necessary, as after I soak it in mercury it doesn't blow > around all > that much. > Ron > > > if needed. > > In a message dated 1/14/2008 10:14:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, > frappi at wcoil.com writes: > > Hi Paul, > I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know > what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to > manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe > for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who > knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be > eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but > it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it > thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would > not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many > uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or > worse. > > TTYL, Mark > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 14 15:18:22 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:18:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <590E138D-B950-41C9-9283-0A25898DE5BF@alltel.net> Looking REAL GOOD Devin and Curt! Dave PS, Devin, I didn't tell your dad that you are saving up your money for a Hemi-- that can remain "our little secret!" -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Curt wrote: > Several on the list know engines are on hold for a while in our > house as > a new project is underway. Son Devin will be driving in a couple of > years and we picked out a vehicle to restore for him. Something > requiring sweat equity, something kewl, and something not very > fast....a > 61' Willys Overland wagon. My granddad had one in the groves in > Florida > and I've always had a soft spot for them. Devin fell head over > heals for > them. He really liked the pickup version but was too tall to fit in > it. > P1010014.html> > > The factory did little for rust prevention and this makes for a lot of > work nearly 50 years later. Here are the back cab repairs. > WillyOverlandRestoration/Cab%20repairs/Thumbnails.html> > > And the tailgate repairs. > WillyOverlandRestoration/TailgateRepairs/Thumbnails.html> > > A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it > running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the > update. > Curt Holland From johnculp at btes.tv Mon Jan 14 15:08:55 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:08:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:18 AM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > I do store it in a sealed bag and don't use it where it might be > shattered and blown about by an air cooled engine although those > precautions > aren't really necessary, as after I soak it in mercury it doesn't blow > around all > that much. I find that a mixture of PCBs and dioxins adds greatly to the sealing effectiveness of the mercury. Doesn't taste too bad, either. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jan 14 14:42:51 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:42:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au><6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com><009c01c856e9$227068a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><8917334E-AEDC-49A5-8CA3-41268C6E991B@alltel.net> <6f6025160801141402n6743fb42l4418ed4ab0cd8ec2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <017001c85702$d23f3d10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Its so deadly that even those who DONT, die! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... > On 14/01/2008, David Rotigel wrote: >> Say what you want Reg, but EVERYONE who comes into contact with even >> a TINY bit of asbestos will eventually die. And that's a FACT! >> Dave >> > > AMEN! > > PS: The Portland Countdown could do with a bit of TLC sometime... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 16:21:41 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:21:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <590E138D-B950-41C9-9283-0A25898DE5BF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <428697.64922.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave, How can you be so cruel? I had just turned 16 and started a full time night job while going to school days. I didn't quite have my drivers license yet. There it was,,,, An even older 194? Willys panel truck with a 427 Hemi in it. It even had a very nice snow plow on it. $150.00 and I didn't have it. I wish I had talked to Mom. Three days later I had the money that beast was sold and gone. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan David Rotigel wrote: Looking REAL GOOD Devin and Curt! Dave PS, Devin, I didn't tell your dad that you are saving up your money for a Hemi-- that can remain "our little secret!" -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Mon Jan 14 16:23:44 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:23:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004601c8570c$e3c17670$1700a8c0@PaulLaptop> Looking good, looks like you have more to work with than I do on a 1948 Chevy truck. Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > Several on the list know engines are on hold for a while in our house as > a new project is underway. Son Devin will be driving in a couple of > years and we picked out a vehicle to restore for him. Something > requiring sweat equity, something kewl, and something not very fast....a > 61' Willys Overland wagon. My granddad had one in the groves in Florida > and I've always had a soft spot for them. Devin fell head over heals for > them. He really liked the pickup version but was too tall to fit in it. > > > The factory did little for rust prevention and this makes for a lot of > work nearly 50 years later. Here are the back cab repairs. > > > And the tailgate repairs. > > > A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it > running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the update. > Curt Holland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jan 14 16:50:06 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:50:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <004601c8570c$e3c17670$1700a8c0@PaulLaptop> References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> <004601c8570c$e3c17670$1700a8c0@PaulLaptop> Message-ID: <478C033E.6080300@imc-group.com> Paul, I've got a neighbor working on one of these. He just bought a wire welder and wants me to teach him how to weld body panels with it. The Chevies seem to have their share of rust....at least his does. The good thing is there are a bazillion parts available for them. The Willys Overland wagon parts are hard to find. I know where at least 2 dozen of these Chevies are if you need parts. Curt Paul wrote: > Looking good, looks like you have more to work with than I do on a 1948 > Chevy truck. > > Paul Waugh > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jan 14 16:56:48 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:56:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <428697.64922.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <428697.64922.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <478C04D0.20502@imc-group.com> Alan, That hemi would have lit the tires up real sweet for a few seconds. At least until the axles let go! The original engines were about 73 HP. Poor old drive train didn't stand a chance with the hemi! Fellow here in town has one with the 350 Chevy in it with the original 5.33:1(?) rear end in it . It still only goes about 55 tops. But it gets there faster than about anything else in town! I'm big on originality, but I've been told that Cummins makes a 4 cylinder diesel that would get about 50 mpg in this vehicle. Very tempting...... Probably has more HP that the original engine too. Can't be any noisier! Curt Alan Bowen wrote: > Dave, > How can you be so cruel? > > I had just turned 16 and started a full time night job while going to school days. > I didn't quite have my drivers license yet. > There it was,,,, An even older 194? Willys panel truck with a 427 Hemi in it. It even had a very nice snow plow on it. $150.00 and I didn't have it. > I wish I had talked to Mom. > Three days later I had the money that beast was sold and gone. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > David Rotigel wrote: > > > Looking REAL GOOD Devin and Curt! > Dave > PS, Devin, I didn't tell your dad that you are saving up your money > for a Hemi-- that can remain "our little secret!" > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jan 14 17:43:14 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:43:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <590E138D-B950-41C9-9283-0A25898DE5BF@alltel.net> References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> <590E138D-B950-41C9-9283-0A25898DE5BF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <478C0FB2.8060304@imc-group.com> Dave, At his current rate of income from blacksmith tinkering, it'll be a LONG time before he saves enough money to buy a hemi! I had a Mopar 400 police interceptor motor sitting in the shop (was going to put it in the Dodge truck I used to have), but I traded this motor on the Willys to eliminate the temptation (mostly for my temptation) :-) Curt David Rotigel wrote: > Looking REAL GOOD Devin and Curt! > Dave > PS, Devin, I didn't tell your dad that you are saving up your money > for a Hemi-- that can remain "our little secret!" > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 17:54:59 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:54:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <478C04D0.20502@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <85035.62513.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Curt, I didn't say anything about original axles on that old Willys. I was certain it had tougher axles. I know it had some really sweet wheels and tires on it. It really had the look of one of those souped up hot vehicles that were built by young men that died in Vietnam and was being sold off cheap by the folks back home. Back in those days I saw several deals like that. Sad but true. Two years later Bob, the older brother of my then girlfriend now wife, saw from a distance a 1964 Chevy step-side short box pickup sitting behind a barn. He pulled into the farm and stopped at the house. A man came out so Bob asked him if the old truck behind the barn was for sale. It was another one of those "dead son" sad stories. The man told Bob he could have the truck for fifty bucks. He also told Bob that he had just driven the truck back there a couple weeks ago and it runs fine. Bob just handed the man the money. Bob had been high on the list to be drafted the same year that man's son went in but he had a hole in each eardrum so they wouldn't take him. Bob walked back there and lifted the hood to check the oil and was surprised to see so much chrome. Yup, that Chevy had a built Ford 390 under the hood. It had a hot cam, racing pistons, three duces and chrome everywhere. Nice wide rear tires and pretty chrome mag wheels too. That truck would really fly. Almost,,,, 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Curt wrote: Alan, That hemi would have lit the tires up real sweet for a few seconds. At least until the axles let go! The original engines were about 73 HP. Poor old drive train didn't stand a chance with the hemi! Fellow here in town has one with the 350 Chevy in it with the original 5.33:1(?) rear end in it . It still only goes about 55 tops. But it gets there faster than about anything else in town! I'm big on originality, but I've been told that Cummins makes a 4 cylinder diesel that would get about 50 mpg in this vehicle. Very tempting...... Probably has more HP that the original engine too. Can't be any noisier! Curt --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Jan 14 18:20:51 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:20:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> <590E138D-B950-41C9-9283-0A25898DE5BF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <003c01c8571d$4000ee10$726f4b47@mikecomp> and Uncle Mikey already has one located nearby............. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > Looking REAL GOOD Devin and Curt! > Dave > PS, Devin, I didn't tell your dad that you are saving up your money > for a Hemi-- that can remain "our little secret!" > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Curt wrote: > >> Several on the list know engines are on hold for a while in our >> house as >> a new project is underway. Son Devin will be driving in a couple of >> years and we picked out a vehicle to restore for him. Something >> requiring sweat equity, something kewl, and something not very >> fast....a >> 61' Willys Overland wagon. My granddad had one in the groves in >> Florida >> and I've always had a soft spot for them. Devin fell head over >> heals for >> them. He really liked the pickup version but was too tall to fit in >> it. >> > P1010014.html> >> >> The factory did little for rust prevention and this makes for a lot of >> work nearly 50 years later. Here are the back cab repairs. >> > WillyOverlandRestoration/Cab%20repairs/Thumbnails.html> >> >> And the tailgate repairs. >> > WillyOverlandRestoration/TailgateRepairs/Thumbnails.html> >> >> A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it >> running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the >> update. >> Curt Holland > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From billmil357 at aol.com Mon Jan 14 18:25:04 2008 From: billmil357 at aol.com (billmil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:25:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral In-Reply-To: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA2534F8D80676-E30-2928@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Here is the link to the obit in the paper and a guest book where you can leave a note to mom. Thanks all, Randy -----Original Message----- From: billmil357 at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:31 pm Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral Hello Everyone, Sometimes I find it amazing what a few hundred pounds of old iron can do to bring a group of people together from all walks of life and all parts of the world. I guess it's the rust that gets in your blood. This evening we had the visitation at the funeral home for daddy. When we started to check the cards on the flowers and plants that had been sent I was really touched to find the beautiful plants from SEL. Thanks so much for the plants, thoughts and prayers. The people on this list were a very special part of Dad's life. Steve, I passed the story you told about Dad sending the picture directions on to his pastor and he is going to include it in the memorial service tomorrow. Thanks again, Randy Miller ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From JR504 at aol.com Mon Jan 14 18:27:42 2008 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:27:42 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. Message-ID: Cummins makes the 4BT, an inline 4 cylinder with a turbo. (a 3.9L I believe) It can be had with an adapter plate to fit nearly any trans because it was used by every truck manufacturer. They were most common in those boxy bread-van style delivery truck(very common in the US anyway). I've got a friend that has put two of them in different full sized Chevies. His '64 4X4 gets 35-38 MPG on the highway, and has plenty of torque if he needs to tow something. The down sides are weight....very heavy for a 4 cylinder, kinda tall too-need a slight body lift for the trans to clear the firewall, and the vibration is pretty significant. High quality motor mounts are a must. Plenty of noise is a given. I'd love to build one some day, as I'm a die-hard Cummins fan. Joe Rappa Mexico, NY Alan, That hemi would have lit the tires up real sweet for a few seconds. At least until the axles let go! The original engines were about 73 HP. Poor old drive train didn't stand a chance with the hemi! Fellow here in town has one with the 350 Chevy in it with the original 5.33:1(?) rear end in it . It still only goes about 55 tops. But it gets there faster than about anything else in town! I'm big on originality, but I've been told that Cummins makes a 4 cylinder diesel that would get about 50 mpg in this vehicle. Very tempting...... Probably has more HP that the original engine too. Can't be any noisier! Curt Alan Bowen wrote: "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" Henry Ford **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From billmil357 at aol.com Mon Jan 14 18:40:36 2008 From: billmil357 at aol.com (billmil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:40:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral In-Reply-To: <8CA2534F8D80676-E30-2928@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> <8CA2534F8D80676-E30-2928@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA25372454D6E9-E30-2A11@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> http://www.legacy.com/CommercialAppeal/Obituaries.asp?Page=Notice&PersonID=101023984 Here is the link to the obit in the paper and a guest book where you can leave a note to mom. Thanks all, Randy -----Original Message----- From: billmil357 at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:31 pm Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral Hello Everyone, Sometimes I find it amazing what a few hundred pounds of old iron can do to bring a group of people together from all walks of life and all parts of the world. I guess it's the rust that gets in your blood. This evening we had the visitation at the funeral home for daddy. When we started to check the cards on the flowers and plants that had been sent I was really touched to find the beautiful plants from SEL. Thanks so much for the plants, thoughts and prayers. The people on this list were a very special part of Dad's life. Steve, I passed the story you told about Dad sending the picture directions on to his pastor and he is going to include it in the memorial service tomorrow. Thanks again, Randy Miller ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Jan 14 18:54:58 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:54:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> <004601c8570c$e3c17670$1700a8c0@PaulLaptop> Message-ID: <005d01c85722$042f6a60$726f4b47@mikecomp> It's worth it. I am still driving the 1948 Willys Jeep my dad and I rebuilt when I was 15-16. I'll never forget it and I learned a lot that serves me today. I learned even more from my brother Steve working on cars. Such as how to cuss, throw wrenches into the cotton field, but the best ever was the time he was drilling with my dad's 1/2 inch B&D drill, it only turned 600rpms and was massive. Once you let go of the trigger, it took a good 30 seconds for it to wind down. One fine summer day Steve was working on his "hot rod" 1946 Ford Coupe, drilling new holes in his revamped fenders when something went wrong, very wrong. Before he knew it, his cotton blue jeans were caught up in the bit, and it was peeling his jeans off him like a cook on an onion. He was screaming bloody murder and dancing all over the carport like his feet were on fire. He was trying to get the trigger lock off as it started at his cuff and was slowly working its way toward the "nether regions." He was screaming and dancing and I was paralyzed with fear, joy and utter amazement all at once. In that one millisecond, God had turned the tide and time and I was getting my revenge. All those years of ass whoopins I had received by his hand, all those ass whoopins I had received by my father where Steve had convinced him I was the one that did whatever Steve got away with, ahhhhh yes, fate was smiling now, no not just smiling, laughing out loud! Well I wanted to help him, but I was frozen with fear and then I was on my back laughing so hard I could not breathe! When I finally regained my breath and composure, there stood my older brother drill in hand, jeans completely torn off, and a big red stripe up his leg, ankle to ass, ending where the sun don't shine! Boys and girls, it don't get no better than that! If you ever see me and I ain't smiling, it's a rare sight and I can tell you why. Some folks are never happy about the past, or what might have been, but me, I had a great child hood. And the day the Black and Decker drill ate the pants off my brother Steve, it's just one tooth on the cog that made life with Steve a never ending adventure. No kidding, it's good to be me! Stay tuned, who knows what will trigger yet another "memory with Steve!!!!!" MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > Looking good, looks like you have more to work with than I do on a 1948 > Chevy truck. > > Paul Waugh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:26 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > > >> Several on the list know engines are on hold for a while in our house as >> a new project is underway. Son Devin will be driving in a couple of >> years and we picked out a vehicle to restore for him. Something >> requiring sweat equity, something kewl, and something not very fast....a >> 61' Willys Overland wagon. My granddad had one in the groves in Florida >> and I've always had a soft spot for them. Devin fell head over heals for >> them. He really liked the pickup version but was too tall to fit in it. >> >> >> The factory did little for rust prevention and this makes for a lot of >> work nearly 50 years later. Here are the back cab repairs. >> >> >> And the tailgate repairs. >> >> >> A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it >> running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the >> update. >> Curt Holland >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From elidas at aol.com Mon Jan 14 19:05:28 2008 From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:05:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <8CA253A9E07FC9C-D6C-10C7@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com> A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the update. Curt Holland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Kaiser had a supercharger that should bolt right onto that 226. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 14 19:18:37 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:18:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral References: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> <8CA2534F8D80676-E30-2928@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <038401c85725$523439e0$210110ac@FAMILY> Randy did you forget the link or am I just missing it? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral > > Here is the link to the obit in the paper and a guest book where you can > leave a note to mom. > > Thanks all, > Randy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: billmil357 at aol.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Sent: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:31 pm > Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > Sometimes I find it amazing what a few hundred pounds of old iron can do > to > bring a group of people together from all walks of life and all parts of > the > world. I guess it's the rust that gets in your blood. > > This evening we had the visitation at the funeral home for daddy. When we > started to check the cards on the flowers and plants that had been sent I > was > really touched to find the beautiful plants from SEL. Thanks so much for > the > plants, thoughts and prayers. The people on this list were a very special > part > of Dad's life. > > Steve, I passed the story you told about Dad sending the picture > directions on > to his pastor and he is going to include it in the memorial service > tomorrow. > > Thanks again, > Randy Miller > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Mon Jan 14 19:52:39 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:52:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel for personal autos In-Reply-To: References: <200801140123.m0E1NbeB047029@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <0JUO002FJ2OBQ372@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Elden, I've been toying with the idea of putting a small diesel in an old S-10 or Ranger pickup. Also had plans for a 4-53 Detroit in my old crew cab, but that fell through long ago. I love anything "oil-burner" related. I used to have a couple diesel VW Rabbits and would love to get another. Unfortunately the prices for them have more than doubled since gas hit $3.00 a gallon. Used to be you could find one with a blown head gasket for a couple hundred bucks. Now even the broken ones are $700-800 at the very least. Guess we're not alone in our thinking... I can't help but laugh when I hear some eco-greenie idiot preaching how his stupid hybrid gets 40+ MPG. FOOL, I have a car that was made 25 YEARS AGO that gets 50 mpg. It has the versatility to also be able run on heating oil, motor oil, vegetable oil, or any other low viscosity oil you can possibly throw in it. -Tony (fellow diesel head) At 03:57 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote: >Orrin: > >I must be a bit ahead of the curve. In 1978, I put a 154 Cubic inch >Perkins Diesel in a 1950 Chevy sedan and, after adding a turbo and >overdrive, I once got 44mpg with it. Usually, I got between 36 and >40 mpg depending on how I drove it. > >Now, we have a VW Jetta TDI and it regularly gets 44 mpg. Once, it >got almost 48 mpg. I could live with about half the power in that >little wagon and get a LOT better mileage. > >I think you're right. Our pols have their heads stuffed right there >where the sun don't shine and are pandering to the gas guzzlers. > >Take care - Elden From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 14 21:54:21 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:54:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have had the same thoughts. Here is a couple good 4BT sites: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302523&highlight=4bt* http://4btswaps.com/forum/index.php Ed Herreid> From: JR504 at aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:27:42 -0500> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project.> > > Cummins makes the 4BT, an inline 4 cylinder with a turbo. (a 3.9L I > believe) It can be had with an adapter plate to fit nearly any trans because it was > used by every truck manufacturer. They were most common in those boxy > bread-van style delivery truck(very common in the US anyway). I've got a friend > that has put two of them in different full sized Chevies. His '64 4X4 gets > 35-38 MPG on the highway, and has plenty of torque if he needs to tow > something. The down sides are weight....very heavy for a 4 cylinder, kinda tall > too-need a slight body lift for the trans to clear the firewall, and the vibration > is pretty significant. High quality motor mounts are a must. Plenty of > noise is a given. I'd love to build one some day, as I'm a die-hard Cummins fan.> > Joe Rappa> Mexico, NY> > > > Alan,> That hemi would have lit the tires up real sweet for a few seconds. At > least until the axles let go! The original engines were about 73 HP. > Poor old drive train didn't stand a chance with the hemi!> Fellow here in town has one with the 350 Chevy in it with the original > 5.33:1(?) rear end in it . It still only goes about 55 tops. But it gets > there faster than about anything else in town!> I'm big on originality, but I've been told that Cummins makes a 4 > cylinder diesel that would get about 50 mpg in this vehicle. Very > tempting......> Probably has more HP that the original engine too. Can't be any noisier!> Curt> > Alan Bowen wrote:> > > > > "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do"> Henry Ford> > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Jan 15 00:43:48 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:43:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478C7244.2070301@steamengine.com.au> Well, that thread stirred up some shit. You blokes are all really bored today aren't you :) Paul. ps. there is some in my shed too! From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jan 15 02:11:10 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:11:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <478C7244.2070301@steamengine.com.au> References: <478C7244.2070301@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080115210854.0208b708@ncable.com.au> It's very cold over a lot of the mighty US of A at the minute Paul, was just the response one would normally expect this time of year. PS: if anyone has some of that old type aspestos cord/rope I want some! it's the best gear going to seal the plungers on water pumps and fuel pumps on your engines! Russell At 07:43 PM 15/01/2008, you wrote: >Well, that thread stirred up some shit. You blokes are all really bored >today aren't you :) > >Paul. > >ps. there is some in my shed too! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 15 03:01:32 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:01:32 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801151338765.SM01260@Laptop.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, Thanks to all who replied to my Off Topic rant last week (on and off list). It's good to have friends. Life is almost back to normal and I can start catching up on my work again. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: 13/01/2008 08:23 PM From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Tue Jan 15 03:40:50 2008 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:40:50 EST Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel for personal autos Message-ID: As one at the front of research in the use of Ethanol and vegetable oil fuels and the destroyer of a few diesel engines running on veg oils in the early 1980s I thought I might put my 2 bobs worth in. First let me say that methyl esters of vegetable oils or Bio Diesel are a great fuel and burn more efficiently than diesel fuel but they to have there problems. I will use figures for Sunflower oil only. Firstly the area of land needed to grow sufficient quantities. Yield of 650 litres / hectare or approx 70 us gals /acre. Divide this into the amount of diesel used in the US and you get how many EXTRA acres of land you need just to grow fuel. Ah ha you say, we will use recycled oil. But you would be lucky if you could recycle 20% of what you grow now. We also need an area to grow them that does not suffer droughts, floods or petulance so we have a consistent supply Esters are an organic solvent and affect some plastics and rubbers so you have to replace some seals with Viton A seals or better. Esters react with conventional engine oils so if you have crook oil rings you could end up with a thick rubbery goo in the sump. Extra oil changes or stuffed engines. For every tonne of Grain you get 125 US gals of oil but you also get 660kg of meal that we have to get rid of For every 100 gals of Bio Diesel we need 25 gals of Methanol or Ethanol and 4lb of caustic soda. For every 100 US gals of Bio diesel produced we produce about 20 gals of Glycerol, we have to find a use for this.At present the market is satisfied. We also need large quantities of water to wash the Oil to remove any residual caustic soda. Long term storage presents problems with oil reacting with the metal container and becoming thick again taking on the colour of the metal oxide. This causes filters and pipes to block and engines to stop. Only a problem with ag equipment used seasonally. Bio Diesel if spilled on paintwork is a good paint stripper. In Europe and other parts of the world where Bio Diesel is used it is heavily subsidised, this can only happen for a short time. Many of these things seem minor but when we multiply them by the amount needed to replace diesel they become major environmental issues. I still say that Bio diesel is an excellent substitute for diesel but I can not see it as a total replacement. It has many good qualities as well but we have to look at it subjectively with all the hype. I see it as one fuel amongst many that are available now and in the future, I can not see one energy source alone at the present time that will replace oil but a variety of fuels depending on location, fixed or mobile, natural resources available eg natural gas etc. No alternate fuel is with out some side effects just as no medicine is. That's my 2 bobs worth in as short a space as possible Peter Woodmore. peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name Woadmere From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 06:31:21 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:31:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080115210854.0208b708@ncable.com.au> References: <478C7244.2070301@steamengine.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20080115210854.0208b708@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160801150631k6082817dg94271c57abe8471b@mail.gmail.com> On 15/01/2008, Russell Gilbert wrote: > It's very cold over a lot of the mighty US of A at the minute Paul, > was just the response one would normally expect this time of year. > > PS: if anyone has some of that old type aspestos cord/rope I want > some! it's the best gear going to seal the plungers on water pumps > and fuel pumps on your engines! > Russell > There is a woven and graphited PFTE product available for gland seals, we had a reel of it at the workshop last year, I'll see where it went and get the details. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 15 07:54:29 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:54:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ed & Orrin: Take a gander at this: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff/chevy.html If they're still in production, I'd heartily recommend the Perkins 4.154 (4 cylinder 154 cubic inches) engine for any vehicle about the weight of the 'ol Chevy. Perkins also made an engine for reefers. That one was the 4.108 (4-cylinder 108 cubic inches). I met a guy who put one in a Valiant and he said it was a little underpowered. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ed Herreid > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:54 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > > > > I have had the same thoughts. Here is a couple > good 4BT sites: > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30 2523&highlight=4bt* http://4btswaps.com/forum/index.php From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Jan 15 07:31:27 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:31:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <005d01c85722$042f6a60$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <200801151531.m0FFVcLL018635@mail-gw.fsr.net> Mike, IMHO, your post should become an instant classic. When I finally got over my spell of ROTFLMAO, I dusted myself off and forwarded it to everyone in my address book. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. It's worth it. I am still driving the 1948 Willys Jeep my dad and I rebuilt when I was 15-16. I'll never forget it and I learned a lot that serves me today. I learned even more from my brother Steve working on cars. Such as how to cuss, throw wrenches into the cotton field, but the best ever was the time he was drilling with my dad's 1/2 inch B&D drill, it only turned 600rpms and was massive. Once you let go of the trigger, it took a good 30 seconds for it to wind down. One fine summer day Steve was working on his "hot rod" 1946 Ford Coupe, drilling new holes in his revamped fenders when something went wrong, very wrong. Before he knew it, his cotton blue jeans were caught up in the bit, and it was peeling his jeans off him like a cook on an onion. He was screaming bloody murder and dancing all over the carport like his feet were on fire. He was trying to get the trigger lock off as it started at his cuff and was slowly working its way toward the "nether regions." He was screaming and dancing and I was paralyzed with fear, joy and utter amazement all at once. In that one millisecond, God had turned the tide and time and I was getting my revenge. All those years of ass whoopins I had received by his hand, all those ass whoopins I had received by my father where Steve had convinced him I was the one that did whatever Steve got away with, ahhhhh yes, fate was smiling now, no not just smiling, laughing out loud! Well I wanted to help him, but I was frozen with fear and then I was on my back laughing so hard I could not breathe! When I finally regained my breath and composure, there stood my older brother drill in hand, jeans completely torn off, and a big red stripe up his leg, ankle to ass, ending where the sun don't shine! Boys and girls, it don't get no better than that! If you ever see me and I ain't smiling, it's a rare sight and I can tell you why. Some folks are never happy about the past, or what might have been, but me, I had a great child hood. And the day the Black and Decker drill ate the pants off my brother Steve, it's just one tooth on the cog that made life with Steve a never ending adventure. No kidding, it's good to be me! Stay tuned, who knows what will trigger yet another "memory with Steve!!!!!" MR From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 15 07:42:37 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:42:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <3607.165.206.180.136.1200411757.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Curt - may I place a copy of this on theamcforum.com There are a lot of folks there into Jeeps, and many LOVE these old things! I know Tom Larson of MN would love this! His father had a Willys dealership if I recall. LMK - if you'd rather not, I won't............. Bill > Several on the list know engines are on hold for a while in our house as > a new project is underway. Son Devin will be driving in a couple of > years and we picked out a vehicle to restore for him. Something > requiring sweat equity, something kewl, and something not very fast....a > 61' Willys Overland wagon. My granddad had one in the groves in Florida > and I've always had a soft spot for them. Devin fell head over heals for > them. He really liked the pickup version but was too tall to fit in it. > > > The factory did little for rust prevention and this makes for a lot of > work nearly 50 years later. Here are the back cab repairs. > > > And the tailgate repairs. > > > A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it > running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the update. > Curt Holland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 09:01:18 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:01:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. In-Reply-To: <200801151531.m0FFVcLL018635@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <005d01c85722$042f6a60$726f4b47@mikecomp> <200801151531.m0FFVcLL018635@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Stay tuned, who knows what will trigger yet > another "memory with Steve!!!!!"> > MR> > I believe a few good shots of "The Famous Grouse" triggered that one! Friends ,once again my brother{bless his heart} has gotten his story all wrong................ it was a 5/8 black and decker drill! Steve... the Good Brother> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 15 11:53:28 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:53:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801152303234.SM01920@Laptop.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 15/01/2008, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:52:51 +1100 >From: "R & M Ingold" >Aha! We in Oz KNOW That ANYONE coming near asbestos without full body >protection, will die a horrible death. Our govt told us so, therefore it >MUST be correct! >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold Hi Reg, I can back that up. I also saw it on TV here so it must be correct! We all know that governments and TV (and of course newspapers for that matter) never lie don't we! I'm sitting here at 10:00 p.m. typing by torchlight on my laptop - the Govern "munt" calls it load shedding - the rest of us call it bad planning and it's going to last until at least 2012 !!! (for those of you who do not know what a "munt" is (beware it is almost rascist !): explanation no. 4. I sure hope that our minister of prisons (Imprison"munt") never reads this. We also have a Minister of Defence (Spear"munt"), a Minister of the Environment (Enviro"munt"), a Minister of Recreation (Entertain"munt"), a Minister of Finance (Embezzle"munt") and a Minister of Law and Order (Enforce"munt") Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1224 - Release Date: 14/01/2008 05:39 PM From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jan 15 13:25:20 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:25:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801150631k6082817dg94271c57abe8471b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <478C7244.2070301@steamengine.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20080115210854.0208b708@ncable.com.au> <6f6025160801150631k6082817dg94271c57abe8471b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116082334.02190ec0@ncable.com.au> Thanks Peter Always handy to have a little to repack the fuel pumps on engines. I was given a couple of feet of it years back but is now gone. Regards Russell At 01:31 AM 16/01/2008, you wrote: >On 15/01/2008, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > It's very cold over a lot of the mighty US of A at the minute Paul, > > was just the response one would normally expect this time of year. > > > > PS: if anyone has some of that old type aspestos cord/rope I want > > some! it's the best gear going to seal the plungers on water pumps > > and fuel pumps on your engines! > > Russell > > > >There is a woven and graphited PFTE product available for gland >seals, we had a reel of it at the workshop last year, I'll see where >it went and get the details. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From johnculp at btes.tv Tue Jan 15 13:45:45 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:45:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801150631k6082817dg94271c57abe8471b@mail.gmail.com> References: <478C7244.2070301@steamengine.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20080115210854.0208b708@ncable.com.au> <6f6025160801150631k6082817dg94271c57abe8471b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0ba5ff10f71008d124448e0c6a58c609@btes.tv> On Jan 15, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > There is a woven and graphited PFTE product available for gland > seals, we had a reel of it at the workshop last year, I'll see where > it went and get the details. As far as I can tell, none of my glands are leaking. I hope it continues so. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Jan 15 13:44:42 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:44:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". References: <200801152303234.SM01920@Laptop.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Having had a mate who as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis, I certainly would handle the stuff in ''Full Body Armour"" as Reg puts it! The three months '' Holiday Job'' was Peters one and only contact with Asbestos ,a fatal one as it turned out. I am sure what Patrick was referring to was the inclusion of the product in imported Chinese toys .These were remote controlled cars .............when they eventually break a lot of boys would start to take them to pieces and then come into contact with the Asbestos. If the product is hazardous surly we want the Government to tell us!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". > At 07:00 PM 15/01/2008, you wrote: >>Message: 4 >>Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:52:51 +1100 >>From: "R & M Ingold" > > >>Aha! We in Oz KNOW That ANYONE coming near asbestos without full body >>protection, will die a horrible death. Our govt told us so, therefore it >>MUST be correct! >>Reg & Marg Ingold. >>Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > Hi Reg, > I can back that up. > > I also saw it on TV here so it must be correct! > > We all know that governments and TV (and of course newspapers for > that matter) never lie don't we! > > I'm sitting here at 10:00 p.m. typing by torchlight on my > laptop - the Govern "munt" calls it load shedding - the rest of us call > it > bad planning and it's going to last until at least 2012 !!! > > (for those of you who do not know what a "munt" is (beware it is > almost rascist !): > explanation no. 4. > > I sure hope that our minister of prisons (Imprison"munt") never > reads this. We also have a Minister of Defence (Spear"munt"), a Minister > of > the Environment (Enviro"munt"), a Minister of Recreation > (Entertain"munt"), > a Minister of Finance (Embezzle"munt") and a Minister of Law and Order > (Enforce"munt") > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1224 - Release Date: > 14/01/2008 05:39 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jan 15 14:19:56 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:19:56 EST Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". Message-ID: In a message dated 1/15/2008 4:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: Having had a mate who as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis I have had several friends die from it. One whose father came home every day white from the fibers all over his clothes. He died at 35. The other never knew where he got his from and dead at 50. Felt puny, got a cough for several weeks thinking it was the flu/cold/etc. 6 months later, dead! Bad stuff the fibers are. But just like smoking, some can tolerate it and others are not so lucky. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Jan 15 14:38:55 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:38:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801152239.m0FMd9gQ058784@mail-gw.fsr.net> Keep 'em coming! (the memories, that is) I forwarded the B&D drill story to half the people on my mailing list and that started a flood of replies. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. Stay tuned, who knows what will trigger yet > another "memory with Steve!!!!!"> > MR> > I believe a few good shots of "The Famous Grouse" triggered that one! Friends ,once again my brother{bless his heart} has gotten his story all wrong................ it was a 5/8 black and decker drill! Steve... the Good Brother> From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Jan 15 14:48:53 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:48:53 +0800 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". References: Message-ID: <007e01c857c8$d18a0be0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> That's right Tom ,as you say some seem to be able to tolerate these things .I worked in the Phosphate Mining industry ,always worried about the dust ........our Doctor on the island sprinkled the dust on his Corn Flakes ,he is still kicking as far as I know. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". > > In a message dated 1/15/2008 4:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: > > Having had a mate who as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging > plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis > > > > I have had several friends die from it. One whose father came home every > day > white from the fibers all over his clothes. He died at 35. The other > never > knew where he got his from and dead at 50. Felt puny, got a cough for > several > weeks thinking it was the flu/cold/etc. 6 months later, dead! Bad stuff > the > fibers are. But just like smoking, some can tolerate it and others are not > so > lucky. > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From alharris44 at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 15:03:40 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:03:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478D3BCC.4090202@gmail.com> I don't know that I agree with the "lucky" tag being universal Tom. To witness the demise of all your workmates and wonder all the time when your turn would come, did not make for a happy time during the latter years with "the company" or during retirement for a family member. He was a term of life worker for James Hardie/Hardie Ferodo. Started with them at age 17 and retired at 65. Passed on at 82 with only the faintest shadow on his left lung. He had a lot of time to think. Lucky, maybe, maybe not. Al Harris New South Wales, Au Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/15/2008 4:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: > > Having had a mate who as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging > plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis > > > > I have had several friends die from it. One whose father came home every day > white from the fibers all over his clothes. He died at 35. The other never > knew where he got his from and dead at 50. Felt puny, got a cough for several > weeks thinking it was the flu/cold/etc. 6 months later, dead! Bad stuff the > fibers are. But just like smoking, some can tolerate it and others are not so > lucky. > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Jan 15 15:07:10 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:07:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801152307.m0FN7Olo014664@mail-gw.fsr.net> Elden, you were onto something, there. Maybe you could open up shop doing Diesel conversions. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. Ed & Orrin: Take a gander at this: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff/chevy.html If they're still in production, I'd heartily recommend the Perkins 4.154 (4 cylinder 154 cubic inches) engine for any vehicle about the weight of the 'ol Chevy. Perkins also made an engine for reefers. That one was the 4.108 (4-cylinder 108 cubic inches). I met a guy who put one in a Valiant and he said it was a little underpowered. Take care - Elden From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 15 15:13:54 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:13:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. References: <200801152239.m0FMd9gQ058784@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <001e01c857cc$4d181d30$dfdc1fd3@Edd> This got me thinking about an incident with a big old B&D drill.I was one of the old aluminium case type with 2 long extension handles.Now when I was in my 30s I was only 7.5 stone wringing wet.I was using the drill to put a mounting hole through the wood floor of the flour mill where I was working ,on breaking through it jammed on a large bolt.Now being left handed lock on catches tend to do just that as your hand gets in the way of it releasing so the drill kept on going and it picked me up and jammed me against a support pillar.A fellow worker had to come and pull the plug as I couldn't get away. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. > Keep 'em coming! (the memories, that is) I forwarded the B&D drill story > to half the people on my mailing list and that started a flood of replies. > > Best regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:01 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. > > > Stay tuned, who knows what will trigger yet > another "memory with > Steve!!!!!"> > MR> > I believe a few good shots of "The Famous Grouse" > triggered that one! Friends ,once again my brother{bless his heart} has > gotten his story all wrong................ it was a 5/8 black and decker > drill! Steve... the Good Brother> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at btes.tv Tue Jan 15 15:23:17 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:23:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <007e01c857c8$d18a0be0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <007e01c857c8$d18a0be0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <1dab508d6c337a8c61de7ca5989bb063@btes.tv> Eating and breathing are different. Isn't a bit good for your lungs if you breathe flour, for example. Or milk. John On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:48 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > That's right Tom ,as you say some seem to be able to tolerate these > things > .I worked in the Phosphate Mining industry ,always worried about the > dust > ........our Doctor on the island sprinkled the dust on his Corn Flakes > ,he > is still kicking as far as I know. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jan 15 15:35:11 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:35:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. In-Reply-To: <001e01c857cc$4d181d30$dfdc1fd3@Edd> References: <200801152239.m0FMd9gQ058784@mail-gw.fsr.net> <001e01c857cc$4d181d30$dfdc1fd3@Edd> Message-ID: <133F56EA-24DE-43A1-9000-82C9576E33A4@rustyiron.com> On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > on breaking through it jammed on a large bolt.Now being left handed > lock on > catches tend to do just that as your hand gets in the way of it > releasing Right on, Edd. New drill motors have a button that is flush with the case. It makes it difficult for those of us with big fingers to use it, but that's ok. If I'm so tired that I don't have the energy to pull the trigger, it's time to go in and take a nap. On the old-style drill motors with the protruding button, I'd take a dykes and cut it off. Problem solved. Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 15:55:51 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:55:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Every time I run into a conversation like this I cringe a bit about those two days spent replacing asbestos siding on a house back around 1985 or 86. There were a lot of doors and windows to cut around. All those cuts were made with a metal cutting Carborundum blade in my circular saw. The air was a solid cloud of asbestos dust. No, There were no masks of any kind to be found. HEY,,, I just happen to know where there is a stack of NOS Asbestos siding. Still in what's left of the boxes. My Dad stacked them there and he died in 1960. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan peter ogborne wrote: Having had a mate who as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis, I certainly would handle the stuff in ''Full Body Armour"" as Reg puts it! The three months '' Holiday Job'' was Peters one and only contact with Asbestos ,a fatal one as it turned out. I am sure what Patrick was referring to was the inclusion of the product in imported Chinese toys .These were remote controlled cars .............when they eventually break a lot of boys would start to take them to pieces and then come into contact with the Asbestos. If the product is hazardous surly we want the Government to tell us!! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 16:30:04 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:30:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. In-Reply-To: <001e01c857cc$4d181d30$dfdc1fd3@Edd> Message-ID: <758915.4560.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Edd, Was that one of those high speed triple reduction drill motors? The one my partner had was a real beast. I know it broke two arms and one lower leg shin bone. Thankfully none of them were mine. I started carrying my own drill motor. My partner's younger brother worked for us for a while. I saw him pick that beast up and I told him he better swing that drill around and get that 16" piece of pipe up against the stud. He wouldn't listen,,,,, He was using a 3" hole saw and when that saw bit in the handle swung around, smashed his hand against the stud and made a real mess of it. His hand that is. When we split up my partner tried to sell me that drill motor. No way. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Edd Payne wrote: This got me thinking about an incident with a big old B&D drill.I was one of the old aluminium case type with 2 long extension handles.Now when I was in my 30s I was only 7.5 stone wringing wet.I was using the drill to put a mounting hole through the wood floor of the flour mill where I was working ,on breaking through it jammed on a large bolt.Now being left handed lock on catches tend to do just that as your hand gets in the way of it releasing so the drill kept on going and it picked me up and jammed me against a support pillar.A fellow worker had to come and pull the plug as I couldn't get away. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. > Keep 'em coming! (the memories, that is) I forwarded the B&D drill story > to half the people on my mailing list and that started a flood of replies. > > Best regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:01 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. > > > Stay tuned, who knows what will trigger yet > another "memory with > Steve!!!!!"> > MR> > I believe a few good shots of "The Famous Grouse" > triggered that one! Friends ,once again my brother{bless his heart} has > gotten his story all wrong................ it was a 5/8 black and decker > drill! Steve... the Good Brother> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 15 17:51:08 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:51:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <0ba5ff10f71008d124448e0c6a58c609@btes.tv> Message-ID: John: Most of my glands aren't leaking but have either slowed down or totally quit. Gittin' old is Hell........The alternative is even worse!! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 03:46 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... > > > On Jan 15, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > There is a woven and graphited PFTE product > available for gland > > seals, we had a reel of it at the workshop last > year, I'll see where > > it went and get the details. > > As far as I can tell, none of my glands are > leaking. I hope it > continues so. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 15 17:57:05 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:57:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <200801152307.m0FN7Olo014664@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Orrin: When I did the Chevy, I thought about building repro rods with Diesels in 'em but was discouraged when someone told me that, if I built over something like ten of them a year, the Guvmint would come down on me, HARD. Something having to do with highway safety, clean air and all that other Mickey Mouse stuff. It's prolly good that I didn't do it. I woulda made a gazillion dollars and been richer'n even the Evil One and would not have discovered S.E.L. Either that or I woulda ended up in jail for trying to be smarter than a politician. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Orrin > Iseminger > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 05:07 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > > > Elden, you were onto something, there. Maybe you > could open up shop doing > Diesel conversions. > > Best regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] > On Behalf Of Elden DuRand > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > > Ed & Orrin: > > Take a gander at this: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff /chevy.html If they're still in production, I'd heartily recommend the Perkins 4.154 (4 cylinder 154 cubic inches) engine for any vehicle about the weight of the 'ol Chevy. Perkins also made an engine for reefers. That one was the 4.108 (4-cylinder 108 cubic inches). I met a guy who put one in a Valiant and he said it was a little underpowered. Take care - Elden From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Jan 15 18:44:11 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:44:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801160244.m0G2iQQx064542@mail-gw.fsr.net> Hmmmmm, you've got a point, Elden Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. Snip Either that or I woulda ended up in jail for trying to be smarter than a politician. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From kimmell at verizon.net Tue Jan 15 20:14:36 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:14:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <85035.62513.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <478C04D0.20502@imc-group.com> <85035.62513.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0JUP00JRCXSR06G3@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> At 07:54 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote: >Yup, that Chevy had a built Ford 390 under the hood. Too bad the kid didn't dump that amount of money into a Chevy smallblock... he could have had twice the motor ;-) -Tony (Chevy fan) From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Jan 16 01:04:09 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:04:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <1dab508d6c337a8c61de7ca5989bb063@btes.tv> References: <007e01c857c8$d18a0be0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <1dab508d6c337a8c61de7ca5989bb063@btes.tv> Message-ID: <478DC889.4020702@steamengine.com.au> I can understand why you might breathe flower, but I'm a little stumped on the milk. That might be the root of all evil in the world. Stop people doing lines of milk. That would solve everything. Paul John Culp wrote: > Eating and breathing are different. > > Isn't a bit good for your lungs if you breathe flour, for example. Or > milk. > > John > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Jan 16 01:13:47 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:13:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". - what the hell is a munt? In-Reply-To: <200801152303234.SM01920@Laptop.databak.co.za> References: <200801152303234.SM01920@Laptop.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <478DCACB.6000808@steamengine.com.au> Looked at your link... supposedly Australian Slang huh? I have to say I've never once heard it used. Another word that ends in 'unt' and doesn't start with 'm' is used quite regularly, but not 'munt'. Example 1 would be more like just the last sentence about Dave. Example 2 "Hey dude I drove over a squirrel the other day. I've got it here - look its completely munted!" - an Aussie may use "dude" but we don't have squirrels (seriously, we don't), and it would more likely be a wombat we ran over in which case the sentence would more likely be "I ran over a f*ckin hairy rock and now my car is totally rooted". Example 3 "A girl that is undesirable or not very attractive. Jim: What about tracey ? Dave: na shes a munt. Jim: Fair enough" would more likely be "Jim: What about tracey ? Dave: na shes a dog. Jim: Fair'nuf" but then again, most Aussie blokes would get into anything if they'd had enough beer so the situation probably wouldn't come up (back to too much beer again). See - now you've had a lesson is Stroin you could do the entrance exam and immigrate :) Stroin if you're wondering is a lot like Merican. Regards Paul Jerry Evans wrote: > (for those of you who do not know what a "munt" is (beware it is > almost rascist !): > explanation no. 4. > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 16 02:38:27 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:38:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". - what the hell is a munt? References: <200801152303234.SM01920@Laptop.databak.co.za> <478DCACB.6000808@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <001001c8582b$ee8041c0$3bf0eddc@Edd> No.I have never heard it before.May be a Tassie term? EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". - what the hell is a munt? > Looked at your link... supposedly Australian Slang huh? I have to say > I've never once heard it used. Another word that ends in 'unt' and > doesn't start with 'm' is used quite regularly, but not 'munt'. > > Example 1 would be more like just the last sentence about Dave. > > Example 2 "Hey dude I drove over a squirrel the other day. I've got it > here - look its completely munted!" - an Aussie may use "dude" but we > don't have squirrels (seriously, we don't), and it would more likely be > a wombat we ran over in which case the sentence would more likely be "I > ran over a f*ckin hairy rock and now my car is totally rooted". > > Example 3 "A girl that is undesirable or not very attractive. Jim: What > about tracey ? Dave: na shes a munt. Jim: Fair enough" would more likely > be "Jim: What about tracey ? Dave: na shes a dog. Jim: Fair'nuf" but > then again, most Aussie blokes would get into anything if they'd had > enough beer so the situation probably wouldn't come up (back to too much > beer again). > > See - now you've had a lesson is Stroin you could do the entrance exam > and immigrate :) > > Stroin if you're wondering is a lot like Merican. > > Regards > Paul > > Jerry Evans wrote: >> (for those of you who do not know what a "munt" is (beware it is >> almost rascist !): >> explanation no. 4. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 16 03:18:40 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:18:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. cheers, Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Jan 16 03:54:29 2008 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:54:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Very Interesting Mate, you've done an excellent job. Now you can start getting the rings out. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. > Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on > webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) > > The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has > cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar > to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger > one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle > grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. > This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly > tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. > Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) > but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. > cheers, Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Jan 16 06:58:08 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:58:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> Alan you should put them on e bay. Could get good money for them as antiques. There is still a lot of uses for asbestos if you have common sense how to use it and cut it. In my life time i have installed a hundred squares or so on houses. We cut it with a big machine that cut like a paper cutter did not make any dust. R Fink At 03:55 PM 1/15/2008 -0800, you wrote: >Every time I run into a conversation like this I cringe a bit about >those two days spent replacing asbestos siding on a house back >around 1985 or 86. >There were a lot of doors and windows to cut around. >All those cuts were made with a metal cutting Carborundum blade in >my circular saw. The air was a solid cloud of asbestos dust. >No, There were no masks of any kind to be found. >HEY,,, I just happen to know where there is a stack of NOS Asbestos siding. >Still in what's left of the boxes. >My Dad stacked them there and he died in 1960. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > > >peter ogborne wrote: Having had a mate who >as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging >plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis, I certainly would handle the >stuff in ''Full Body Armour"" as Reg puts it! The three months '' Holiday >Job'' was Peters one and only contact with Asbestos ,a fatal one as it >turned out. >I am sure what Patrick was referring to was the inclusion of the product in >imported Chinese toys .These were remote controlled cars .............when >they eventually break a lot of boys would start to take them to pieces and >then come into contact with the Asbestos. >If the product is hazardous surly we want the Government to tell us!! > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! >Mobile. Try it now. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: >1/13/2008 8:23 PM From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 16 04:25:45 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:25:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <001d01c8583a$ebf35780$3bf0eddc@Edd> What you up to mate!!! EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > Very Interesting Mate, you've done an excellent job. Now you can start > getting the rings out. Cheers Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell Gilbert" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:18 PM > Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > > >> There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. >> Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on >> webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) >> >> The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has >> cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar >> to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger >> one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle >> grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. >> This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly >> tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. >> Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) >> but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. >> cheers, Russell >> Russell Gilbert >> Sunny Sunraysia >> russell at ncable.com.au >> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 04:27:52 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:27:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <951599.97047.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, A couple years ago I ran into an asbestos siding cutter at two different auctions. YES, it was the same one. 8>)) I was thinking I should have had one of those to use way back when,,,,,,, I'll go check eBay. One man's trash is another man's treasure,,,,, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Richard Fink Sr wrote: Alan you should put them on e bay. Could get good money for them as antiques. There is still a lot of uses for asbestos if you have common sense how to use it and cut it. In my life time i have installed a hundred squares or so on houses. We cut it with a big machine that cut like a paper cutter did not make any dust. R Fink At 03:55 PM 1/15/2008 -0800, you wrote: >Every time I run into a conversation like this I cringe a bit about >those two days spent replacing asbestos siding on a house back >around 1985 or 86. >There were a lot of doors and windows to cut around. >All those cuts were made with a metal cutting Carborundum blade in >my circular saw. The air was a solid cloud of asbestos dust. >No, There were no masks of any kind to be found. >HEY,,, I just happen to know where there is a stack of NOS Asbestos siding. >Still in what's left of the boxes. >My Dad stacked them there and he died in 1960. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > > >peter ogborne wrote: Having had a mate who >as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging >plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis, I certainly would handle the >stuff in ''Full Body Armour"" as Reg puts it! The three months '' Holiday >Job'' was Peters one and only contact with Asbestos ,a fatal one as it >turned out. >I am sure what Patrick was referring to was the inclusion of the product in >imported Chinese toys .These were remote controlled cars .............when >they eventually break a lot of boys would start to take them to pieces and >then come into contact with the Asbestos. >If the product is hazardous surly we want the Government to tell us!! > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! >Mobile. Try it now. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: >1/13/2008 8:23 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 16 04:51:28 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:51:28 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up In-Reply-To: <001d01c8583a$ebf35780$3bf0eddc@Edd> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> <001d01c8583a$ebf35780$3bf0eddc@Edd> Message-ID: <000e01c8583e$82885ad0$87991070$@net.au> Can't you fellers sleep over there? We are sending you a bit more hot weather by the way!! Should just about make 40 here tomorrow. :D Should hit you blokes in time for the week end. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2008 9:26 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up What you up to mate!!! EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > Very Interesting Mate, you've done an excellent job. Now you can start > getting the rings out. Cheers Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell Gilbert" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:18 PM > Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > > >> There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. >> Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on >> webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) >> >> The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has >> cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar >> to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger >> one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle >> grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. >> This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly >> tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. >> Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) >> but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. >> cheers, Russell >> Russell Gilbert >> Sunny Sunraysia >> russell at ncable.com.au >> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jan 16 04:57:54 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:57:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up In-Reply-To: <001d01c8583a$ebf35780$3bf0eddc@Edd> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> <001d01c8583a$ebf35780$3bf0eddc@Edd> Message-ID: <478DFF52.5020309@scrtc.com> Wow Russell, I didn't realize the Campbell was that big until I see you standing beside it. A lot of iron there! Its a beautiful engine. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >> >> >>>There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. >>>Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on >>>webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) >>> >>>The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has >>>cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar >>>to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger >>>one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle >>>grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. >>>This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly >>>tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. >>>Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) >>>but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. >>>cheers, Russell >>>Russell Gilbert >>>Sunny Sunraysia >>>russell at ncable.com.au >>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 16 06:54:17 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:54:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Identification Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080116095403.02f65ab0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi All, We have this ad of an old farm engine driven washer on our club web site. Was wondering if anyone has an idea what the engine is? I know the picture is a bit crummy but its all we have. Thanks, Mark http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/oddengine1.jpg Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 16 08:27:02 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:27:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <0JUP00JRCXSR06G3@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <478C04D0.20502@imc-group.com> <85035.62513.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JUP00JRCXSR06G3@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3621.165.206.180.136.1200500822.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Hey Curt, or for that matter, anyone........ Check out the thread at: http://theamcforum.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2602 Tom, xj-001, is a real Willys nut and I knew if I posted that it would attract his attention...... Curt if you need anything, might check with Tom Larson (XJ-001) as he's a great resource. Bill (because now that Willys engine is stationary) From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Wed Jan 16 08:48:33 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:48:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russell,Nice engine,top English workmanship.I would not Hone the bore untill you see if new rings are needed!Clean it as gently as poss,free the rings and let the rings bed in and find any original seating.I would not under any cercunstances remove the rings until you have tried them back in the bore and seen what compression you have.You might be surprised! I am probably telling my granny how to suck eggs. John.> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:18:40 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up> > There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. > Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on > webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-)> > The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has > cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar > to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger > one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle > grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. > This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly > tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. > Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) > but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them.> cheers, Russell> Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alharris44 at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 11:28:26 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:28:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. > http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html Al Harris New South Wales, Au Richard Fink Sr wrote: > Alan you should put them on e bay. Could get good money for them as > antiques. There is still a lot of uses for asbestos if you have > common sense how to use it and cut it. In my life time i have > installed a hundred squares or so on houses. We cut it with a big > machine that cut like a paper cutter did not make any dust. > R Fink > > > > > At 03:55 PM 1/15/2008 -0800, you wrote: >> Every time I run into a conversation like this I cringe a bit about >> those two days spent replacing asbestos siding on a house back >> around 1985 or 86. >> There were a lot of doors and windows to cut around. >> All those cuts were made with a metal cutting Carborundum blade in >> my circular saw. The air was a solid cloud of asbestos dust. >> No, There were no masks of any kind to be found. >> HEY,,, I just happen to know where there is a stack of NOS Asbestos siding. >> Still in what's left of the boxes. >> My Dad stacked them there and he died in 1960. >> >> Alan Bowen >> Williamsburg, Michigan >> >> >> >> peter ogborne wrote: Having had a mate who >> as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging >> plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis, I certainly would handle the >> stuff in ''Full Body Armour"" as Reg puts it! The three months '' Holiday >> Job'' was Peters one and only contact with Asbestos ,a fatal one as it >> turned out. >> I am sure what Patrick was referring to was the inclusion of the product in >> imported Chinese toys .These were remote controlled cars .............when >> they eventually break a lot of boys would start to take them to pieces and >> then come into contact with the Asbestos. >> If the product is hazardous surly we want the Government to tell us!! >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! >> Mobile. Try it now. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: >> 1/13/2008 8:23 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Jan 16 12:41:46 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:41:46 EST Subject: [SEL] - OT -Dodge/Plymouth 6 Cylinder Reluctor & Pick-Up Message-ID: Hi List, I have been cleaning up the garage and I found a Reluctor & Pick-Up for '72 -'77 6 cylinder Chrysler electronic ignition system. I have no idea how this unit arrived in my junk. It is still in the original package. I hate to throw this item in the recycle can. If anyone has a need for this unit, let me know and send me a mailing address. First reply will get it for no charge. Francis Maciel 514 E. Taft Street Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jan 16 13:15:15 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:15:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> <478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. Curt Al Harris wrote: > For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. > > >> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >> > > Al Harris > New South Wales, Au > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 13:54:02 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:54:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] - OT -Dodge/Plymouth 6 Cylinder Reluctor & Pick-Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <164813.26649.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I replied. Alan Bowen FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: Hi List, I have been cleaning up the garage and I found a Reluctor & Pick-Up for '72 -'77 6 cylinder Chrysler electronic ignition system. I have no idea how this unit arrived in my junk. It is still in the original package. I hate to throw this item in the recycle can. If anyone has a need for this unit, let me know and send me a mailing address. First reply will get it for no charge. Francis Maciel 514 E. Taft Street Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 16 15:52:52 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:52:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> <478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Ah yes. let BIG MOMMY take care of you! Dave PS, The asbestos "scare" brought to you by people like Edwards (and various governments in the free world) is about as much BULL SHIT as is global warming! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Curt wrote: > Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. > Curt > > Al Harris wrote: >> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. >> >> >>> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >>> >> >> Al Harris >> New South Wales, Au >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 16 16:39:39 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:39:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up In-Reply-To: <478DFF52.5020309@scrtc.com> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> <001d01c8583a$ebf35780$3bf0eddc@Edd> <478DFF52.5020309@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080117113801.0217a5b0@ncable.com.au> Thanks Tommy, it's an exesively heavy engine I tell you. Really looking forward to having it up and running. Russell At 11:57 PM 16/01/2008, you wrote: >Wow Russell, I didn't realize the Campbell was that big until I see you >standing beside it. A lot of iron there! Its a beautiful engine. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >> > >> > >>>There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. > >>>Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on > >>>webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) > >>> > >>>The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has > >>>cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar > >>>to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger > >>>one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle > >>>grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. > >>>This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly > >>>tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. > >>>Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) > >>>but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. > >>>cheers, Russell > >>>Russell Gilbert > >>>Sunny Sunraysia > >>>russell at ncable.com.au > >>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 16 16:42:25 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:42:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080117114008.021e6d10@ncable.com.au> John thanks for the tip there. Deffinately not telling your grany anything as far as I'm concerned. I don't think we ever stop learning. You comments makes good sense to me. regards Russell At 03:48 AM 17/01/2008, you wrote: >Hi Russell,Nice engine,top English workmanship.I would not Hone the >bore untill you see if new rings are needed!Clean it as gently as >poss,free the rings and let the rings bed in and find any original >seating.I would not under any cercunstances remove the rings until >you have tried them back in the bore and seen what compression you >have.You might be surprised! I am probably telling my granny how to >suck eggs. John.> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:18:40 +1100> To: >sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> >Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up> > There is a number of you >guys watching the progress on my Campbell. > Well I've just got to >placing the lastest progress pics up on > webshots if you are >interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-)> > The boar >has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has > cleaned out >pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar > to really >give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger > one. I ! > gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle > > grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar > also. > This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to > properly > tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear > journal areas. > Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming > gears (Bugger!) > but other than that the gears look to have had > very little ware on them.> cheers, Russell> Russell Gilbert> Sunny > Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 16 16:48:29 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:48:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up In-Reply-To: <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080117114244.021e2640@ncable.com.au> G'day Cam, I have the piston soaking now. Will let it sit a week or two and then free them up. The gujon feel all good; will get it apart to clean up the conrod. Russell At 10:54 PM 16/01/2008, you wrote: >Very Interesting Mate, you've done an excellent job. Now you can start >getting the rings out. Cheers Cam >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: "SEL" >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:18 PM >Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > > > > There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. > > Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on > > webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) > > > > The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has > > cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar > > to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger > > one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle > > grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. > > This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly > > tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. > > Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) > > but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. > > cheers, Russell > > Russell Gilbert > > Sunny Sunraysia > > russell at ncable.com.au > > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 16 17:06:46 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:06:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> A lot less bull shit than you are going on about.Normally I wouldn't bother to answer your stupidity but a good family friend of mine dyed a horrible slow death from asbestos related disease.She spent her life caring for and washing her husbands work clothes .He was a carpenter at James hardy asbestos plant.He is OK so far but lives with the knowledge his life took hers.So Dave try to talk about something you know about but that may be impossible. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". > Ah yes. let BIG MOMMY take care of you! > Dave > PS, The asbestos "scare" brought to you by people like Edwards (and > various governments in the free world) is about as much BULL SHIT as > is global warming! > > > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Curt wrote: > >> Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. >> Curt >> >> Al Harris wrote: >>> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. >>> >>> >>>> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >>>> >>> >>> Al Harris >>> New South Wales, Au >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 16 17:26:15 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:26:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <01c801c858a7$f4bd79a0$210110ac@FAMILY> Great pictures Russell, thanks for posting them. Let us know each time you add pictures to the album so we can continue to follow along on your restoration. Nice engine, it would look good here in Central Arkansas.. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. > Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on > webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) > > The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has > cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar > to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger > one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle > grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. > This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly > tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. > Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) > but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. > cheers, Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 16 17:56:14 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:56:14 +0800 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com><478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> Message-ID: <000b01c858ac$29418c80$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> I too would not normally react to this idiot..........I really think he talks from his arse. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". >A lot less bull shit than you are going on about.Normally I wouldn't bother > to answer your stupidity but a good family friend of mine dyed a horrible > slow death from asbestos related disease.She spent her life caring for and > washing her husbands work clothes .He was a carpenter at James hardy > asbestos plant.He is OK so far but lives with the knowledge his life took > hers.So Dave try to talk about something you know about but that may be > impossible. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". > > >> Ah yes. let BIG MOMMY take care of you! >> Dave >> PS, The asbestos "scare" brought to you by people like Edwards (and >> various governments in the free world) is about as much BULL SHIT as >> is global warming! >> >> >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Curt wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. >>> Curt >>> >>> Al Harris wrote: >>>> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> New South Wales, Au >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Jan 16 18:26:35 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:26:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] - OT -Dodge/Plymouth 6 Cylinder Reluctor & Pick-Up References: <164813.26649.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ca01c858b0$61d05230$0302a8c0@Ed> If now else wants it, I do. I have a distributor out of a 1970 Tempest straight six in my bow of ignition stuff. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] - OT -Dodge/Plymouth 6 Cylinder Reluctor & Pick-Up >I replied. > Alan Bowen > > FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: Hi List, > I have been cleaning up the garage and I found a Reluctor & Pick-Up for > '72 > -'77 6 cylinder Chrysler electronic ignition system. I have no idea how > this > unit arrived in my junk. It is still in the original package. > I hate to throw this item in the recycle can. If anyone has a need for > this > unit, let me know and send me a mailing address. First reply will get it > for no charge. > > Francis Maciel > 514 E. Taft Street > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 16 19:37:23 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:37:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> Message-ID: Hi Edd, So you like MOMMY taking care of you do you? Dave PS, Don't believe everything you believe! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > A lot less bull shit than you are going on about.Normally I > wouldn't bother > to answer your stupidity but a good family friend of mine dyed a > horrible > slow death from asbestos related disease.She spent her life caring > for and > washing her husbands work clothes .He was a carpenter at James hardy > asbestos plant.He is OK so far but lives with the knowledge his > life took > hers.So Dave try to talk about something you know about but that > may be > impossible. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now > govern"munt". > > >> Ah yes. let BIG MOMMY take care of you! >> Dave >> PS, The asbestos "scare" brought to you by people like Edwards (and >> various governments in the free world) is about as much BULL SHIT as >> is global warming! >> >> >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Curt wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. >>> Curt >>> >>> Al Harris wrote: >>>> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> New South Wales, Au >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Jan 16 19:30:23 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:30:23 EST Subject: [SEL] - OT -Dodge/Plymouth 6 Cylinder Reluctor & Pick-Up Message-ID: Just to let you know, Curt Holland was the first to reply. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 1/16/2008 6:34:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, edstoller at earthlink.net writes: If now else wants it, I do. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From alharris44 at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 19:52:42 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:52:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> Message-ID: <478ED10A.9030307@gmail.com> Hi Dave, some final philosophical Acknowledge"munts" to go with yours. Don't understand everything you understand. Don't see everything you see. Don't hear everything you hear. About sums up your asbestos research, eh. :-P Al Harris New South Wales, Au David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Edd, So you like MOMMY taking care of you do you? > Dave > PS, Don't believe everything you believe! > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > From weolson at wiktel.com Wed Jan 16 20:34:47 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:34:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Identification In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080116095403.02f65ab0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080116095403.02f65ab0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <80220171187.20080116223447@wiktel.com> Hello Mark, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 8:54:17 AM, you wrote: MS> Hi All, MS> We have this ad of an old farm engine driven washer on our club web MS> site. Was wondering if anyone has an idea what the engine is? I know the MS> picture is a bit crummy but its all we have. Thanks, Mark MS> http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/oddengine1.jpg MS> Mark & Christine Shulaw MS> Bluffton, Ohio MS> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com MS> Home #419.358.5206 MS> _______________________________________________ MS> SEL mailing list MS> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com MS> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Do you have any information as to the year of the ad? My wife would like to know, I would suspect perhaps the early 20's. We have a display and demonstration of Old Tyme Laundry equipment, including old washing machines and gas Fairbanks Morse "Z" Style D powered pump jack. -- Thanks, William Olson Northern Minnesota mailto:weolson at wiktel.com From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 17 00:40:55 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (pjp at steamengine.com.au) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:40:55 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> <478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <23741.203.39.62.50.1200559255.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au> the health problems are quite real and not everyone has enough info to make a reasoned choice like you have. Besides you won't last out the 30 year incubation period anyway!! > Ah yes. let BIG MOMMY take care of you! > Dave > PS, The asbestos "scare" brought to you by people like Edwards (and > various governments in the free world) is about as much BULL SHIT as > is global warming! > > > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Curt wrote: > >> Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. >> Curt >> >> Al Harris wrote: >>> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. >>> >>> >>>> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >>>> >>> >>> Al Harris >>> New South Wales, Au >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 17 00:43:46 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (pjp at steamengine.com.au) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:43:46 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <478ED10A.9030307@gmail.com> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> <478ED10A.9030307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <23894.203.39.62.50.1200559426.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au> Dave's tombstone will say: He didn't understand; he didn't hear; he didn't see. > Hi Dave, > > some final philosophical Acknowledge"munts" to go with yours. > > Don't understand everything you understand. > Don't see everything you see. > Don't hear everything you hear. > > About sums up your asbestos research, eh. :-P > > Al Harris > From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 17 00:53:00 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:53:00 +0900 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> Message-ID: <003001c858e6$5d386b00$17a94100$@net.au> So the government says that asbestos can cause terminal illness. So it seems the Rotigol strategy is to stick your head in a bag of asbestos fibres so as to avoid the greater hazard of Mommy looking after us. If you don't you are a communist. The plain facts are a lot of good men are dying here on a daily basis because they happened to work for James Hardy or worked in places like the Wittenoom mine.:D You are slipping Dave. We at least deserve a PPS as well as a PPPS. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2008 12:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". Hi Edd, So you like MOMMY taking care of you do you? Dave PS, Don't believe everything you believe! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > A lot less bull shit than you are going on about.Normally I > wouldn't bother > to answer your stupidity but a good family friend of mine dyed a > horrible > slow death from asbestos related disease.She spent her life caring > for and > washing her husbands work clothes .He was a carpenter at James hardy > asbestos plant.He is OK so far but lives with the knowledge his > life took > hers.So Dave try to talk about something you know about but that > may be > impossible. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now > govern"munt". > > >> Ah yes. let BIG MOMMY take care of you! >> Dave >> PS, The asbestos "scare" brought to you by people like Edwards (and >> various governments in the free world) is about as much BULL SHIT as >> is global warming! >> >> >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Curt wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. >>> Curt >>> >>> Al Harris wrote: >>>> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> New South Wales, Au >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 17 05:38:28 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:38:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> <478ED10A.9030307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01c8590e$3ed8d0f0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Don't understand everything you understand. > Don't see everything you see. > Don't hear everything you hear. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Dont say everything you think . From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jan 17 05:39:42 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:39:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Computer gurus Message-ID: <478F5A9E.20309@imc-group.com> Computer gurus, A long long time ago one of you steered me toward the file sort fix for Windows XP. This fix forces XP to sort numerical files the way that 98 did. Anyone recall the fix? Have reloaded a computer OS here and need to correct this. Thanks, Curt From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Jan 17 05:54:48 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:54:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". Message-ID: <380-220081417135448843@coastalnet.com> "Closed mouths gather no feet" (Bob Learned) > > Don't understand everything you understand. > > Don't see everything you see. > > Don't hear everything you hear. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > Dont say everything you think . From alharris44 at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 07:30:23 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:30:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <001a01c8590e$3ed8d0f0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> <478ED10A.9030307@gmail.com> <001a01c8590e$3ed8d0f0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <478F748F.5060709@gmail.com> Chuck Balyeat wrote: >> Don't understand everything you understand. >> Don't see everything you see. >> Don't hear everything you hear. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . > > Dont say everything you think . Don't make promises you can't keep. From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 08:04:12 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:04:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stranded on a Desert Island Message-ID: Stranded on a Desert Island A Greek man was washed up on beach after a terrible shipwreck. Only a sheep and a sheepdog survived with him. He looked around and realized that they were stranded on a desert island. After being there a while, he got into the habit of taking his two animal companions to the beach every evening to watch the sunset. One particular evening, the sky was fiery red with beautiful cirrus clouds, the breeze was warm and gentle -- a perfect night for romance As they sat there, the sheep started to look better and better to the lonely man. Soon, he leaned over to the sheep and put his arm around it. But the sheepdog, ever protective of the sheep, growled fiercely until the man took his arm away from the sheep. After that, the three of them continued to enjoy the sunsets together, but there was no more cuddling, A few weeks passed by and, lo and behold, there was another shipwreck. The only survivor was Hillary Clinton. That evening the man introduced Hillary to the evening sunset ritual. It was another beautiful evening: red sky, cirrus clouds, a warm and gentle breeze -- perfect night for romance. Pretty soon, the man started to get "those feelings" again. He fought the urges as long as he could, but finally gave in and leaned over to Hillary, cautiously, and whispered in her ear... "Would you mind taking the dog for a walk?" _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 08:11:41 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:11:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stranded on a Desert Island Message-ID: Sorry about the OT post, I ticked the wrong send to box. Ed Herreid _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!? Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jan 17 10:20:44 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:20:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stranded on a Desert Island In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, sure! Nyuk, nyuk! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ed Herreid > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:12 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Stranded on a Desert Island > > > > Sorry about the OT post, I ticked the wrong > send to box. > > Ed Herreid From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Jan 17 13:04:03 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:04:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stranded on a Desert Island In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080118080231.0208bff8@ncable.com.au> Being a story of a small island, sheep and a sheep dog I was antisapating it to be a New Zealand story :-) ....... I wonder how Hillary would like down there? Russell At 03:11 AM 18/01/2008, you wrote: >Sorry about the OT post, I ticked the wrong send to box. > >Ed Herreid >_________________________________________________________________ >Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge >with star power. >http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From cjclem at sysim.net Fri Jan 18 08:40:58 2008 From: cjclem at sysim.net (cjclem at sysim.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:40:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Engine ID ? Message-ID: <20080118114058.6k541adpk4scckkc@s17.sysim.com> Hello list, A person sent me these pics of engine for ID, I do not know so ask for help. I have never saw engine nor do I know physical size or what other parts he has off it? View at this webshot link, 4 pics > http://community.webshots.com/album/562179580TJcbvz Thanks in advance From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 14:21:38 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:21:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Computer gurus In-Reply-To: <478F5A9E.20309@imc-group.com> References: <478F5A9E.20309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801181421k4eb49be8k5cf8a75e7368d33d@mail.gmail.com> On 17/01/2008, Curt wrote: > Computer gurus, > A long long time ago one of you steered me toward the file sort fix for > Windows XP. > This fix forces XP to sort numerical files the way that 98 did. > Anyone recall the fix? Have reloaded a computer OS here and need to > correct this. > Thanks, > Curt Wasn't me, and I am not a computer guru, but I think it is in of the 'Tools' options for 'Folder Viewing'. We use Win2kPro so cannot be more specific. Have replied off list re the Perkins engine. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 18 23:30:00 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:30:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another Toy Message-ID: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred> Hi List, My son & I were told about a small Engine in a Museum about two hours drive from home,we went and checked,offered a LARGE donation,12 days later picked up our little vertical Blackstone hot Bulb Engine. Photos on webshots, now for the next one. David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From johnwidener at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 19 03:32:39 2008 From: johnwidener at sbcglobal.net (John Widener) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:32:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage Message-ID: <002e01c85a8f$00166530$c901a8c0@JOHNS> I would like my homepage about antique engines and old tractors to be added to your Homepage section, Thank You In Advance, Jerry Painter http://www.htcny.com/forum From alharris44 at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 03:50:15 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:50:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <002e01c85a8f$00166530$c901a8c0@JOHNS> References: <002e01c85a8f$00166530$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <4791E3F7.3080406@gmail.com> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I can't see. All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my floppy. Al Harris Clarence Coast New South Wales Australia John Widener wrote: > I would like my homepage about antique engines and old tractors to be added to your Homepage section, Thank You In Advance, Jerry Painter http://www.htcny.com/forum > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnwidener at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 19 04:50:40 2008 From: johnwidener at sbcglobal.net (John Widener) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:50:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <002e01c85a8f$00166530$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <4791E3F7.3080406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004b01c85a99$e6296db0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Sorry about the Jerry Painter thing, its an "inside joke" Sorry, John Widener ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously > naive. > > A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage > that I can't see. > > All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown > Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my > floppy. > > Al Harris > Clarence Coast > New South Wales > Australia > > > John Widener wrote: >> I would like my homepage about antique engines and old tractors to be >> added to your Homepage section, Thank You In Advance, Jerry Painter >> http://www.htcny.com/forum >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnwidener at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 19 05:21:08 2008 From: johnwidener at sbcglobal.net (John Widener) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:21:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage Message-ID: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... > >> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously >> naive. >> >> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage >> that I can't see. >> >> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >> floppy. >> >> Al Harris >> Clarence Coast >> New South Wales >> Australia From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 19 07:25:09 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:25:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit Message-ID: G'day all; From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel making. Can someone shed any more light? http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR TIA, RickinMt. From milo at hughes.net Sat Jan 19 07:50:25 2008 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:50:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c85ab3$085e1b10$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel >Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:25 AM >To: sel >Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit > >G'day all; > From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of >machinery >that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel >making. Can someone shed any more light? > >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR > >TIA, >RickinMt. Looks like some kind of swaging / crimping tool. Peace Milo http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 19 08:05:28 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:05:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit References: <000001c85ab3$085e1b10$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <001501c85ab5$1c8b22c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Looks like some kind of swaging / crimping tool. With the big gear on the bottom left hooked up to a con rod/crosshead looking affair via an eccentric . Dont look like no rotary drilling table to me . From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 08:11:43 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:11:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160801190811k5ac4c769tb2741a219158edb9@mail.gmail.com> On 19/01/2008, Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery > that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel > making. Can someone shed any more light? > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR > > TIA, > RickinMt. > Hydraulic pipe crimping/swaging jaws by the look of it, albeit a big set! Does that say "Swager" on the side? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 19 08:19:04 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:19:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <479222F8.8050105@scrtc.com> Rick, Yes, it does look like the piece of machinery that is used to bring the barrel staves together when the hoops are put on. We have a cooperage company here in my county that makes barrel's and I've seen something similar (not exactly the same though) at their plant. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Richard Strobel wrote: >G'day all; > From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery >that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel >making. Can someone shed any more light? > >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR > >TIA, >RickinMt. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 19 08:50:28 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:50:28 -0000 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit References: Message-ID: <002701c85abb$670341b0$0dc20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit > G'day all; > From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery > that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel > making. Can someone shed any more light? > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR > > TIA, RickinMt. Hi Rick, can you find out exactly what it says on the side, especially the patent number? Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jmay at new.rr.com Sat Jan 19 09:01:14 2008 From: jmay at new.rr.com (John T. May) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:01:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003c01c85abc$e66613a0$6601a8c0@laptop> And the answer is: US Patent number: 806796 Filing date: Sep 1, 1905 Issue date: Dec 12, 1905 Inventor: William Glader, Chicago Machine for flaring or coning barrel hoops. You can get a copy of the patent by searching here: http://www.google.com/patents -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:25 AM To: sel Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit G'day all; From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel making. Can someone shed any more light? http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR TIA, RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Jan 19 09:15:12 2008 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:15:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gilson Engines. References: <003c01c85abc$e66613a0$6601a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <002401c85abe$da19f740$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Hi John T. May! Did you get your first Gilson engine yet? I have not heard from you in over 5 years now. http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/gilson/000index.html Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: John T. May To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit And the answer is: US Patent number: 806796 Filing date: Sep 1, 1905 Issue date: Dec 12, 1905 Inventor: William Glader, Chicago Machine for flaring or coning barrel hoops. From christison at coastalnet.com Sat Jan 19 09:22:49 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:22:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit Message-ID: <380-220081619172249218@coastalnet.com> Found it! MACHINE FOR FLARING OR CONING BARREL HOOPS US Pat. 806796 - Filed Sep 1, 1905 806796. PATENTED DEC. 12, 1905. W. GLADER. MACHINE FOR FLARING OR CONING BARREL HOOPS. APPLICATION FILED SEPT. 1, 1905. Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Richard Strobel > To: sel > Date: 1/19/2008 10:25:36 AM > Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit > > G'day all; > From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery > that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel > making. Can someone shed any more light? > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR > > TIA, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillFranSC at aol.com Sat Jan 19 11:23:41 2008 From: BillFranSC at aol.com (BillFranSC at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:23:41 EST Subject: [SEL] New Email Address Message-ID: To Whom It May Concern: I have changed my email address! Please remove _billfransc at aol.com_ (mailto:billfransc at aol.com) from your mailing list. My new email address is _BillCUnited at aol.com_ (mailto:BillCUnited at aol.com) Thank you very much! Bill Craft **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 19 10:00:37 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:00:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit References: <380-220081619172249218@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: Good for you Ken..will take a look at the patent and forward to the owner as he was asking for additional info. Thanks much Rick Subject: Re: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit > Found it! > > MACHINE FOR FLARING OR CONING BARREL HOOPS > US Pat. 806796 - Filed Sep 1, 1905 > 806796. PATENTED DEC. 12, 1905. W. GLADER. MACHINE FOR FLARING OR CONING > BARREL > HOOPS. APPLICATION FILED SEPT. 1, 1905. > > Take care. > > Ken From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 19 12:29:20 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:29:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit In-Reply-To: References: <380-220081619172249218@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <47925DA0.9080409@scrtc.com> Ken, I thought I had seen something like that at the local cooperage. Its a neat operation to watch. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > >>Found it! >> >>MACHINE FOR FLARING OR CONING BARREL HOOPS >>US Pat. 806796 - Filed Sep 1, 1905 >>806796. PATENTED DEC. 12, 1905. W. GLADER. MACHINE FOR FLARING OR CONING >>BARREL >>HOOPS. APPLICATION FILED SEPT. 1, 1905. >> >>Take care. >> >>Ken >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 19 16:44:52 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:44:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ- Query,Blackstone /Clement Davidson Message-ID: <000901c85afd$abd68e90$e70e693a@fred> Can anyone tell me any site with info.about Clement Davidson engines,these were a copy of Blackstone Engines. Brian in Melb. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jan 19 16:59:54 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:59:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ- Query,Blackstone /Clement Davidson In-Reply-To: <000901c85afd$abd68e90$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: <20080120005938.XOEC26985.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Brian, There have been a couple of articles in TOMM in the last few years. I cannot remember which issue :( Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2008 11:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] OZ- Query,Blackstone /Clement Davidson Can anyone tell me any site with info.about Clement Davidson engines,these were a copy of Blackstone Engines. Brian in Melb. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jan 19 17:00:42 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:00:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another Toy In-Reply-To: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: <20080120010025.XNVF10771.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> A nice pickup guys. Those Blackstone & MV verticals are getting almost common these days ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi List, My son & I were told about a small Engine in a Museum about two hours drive from home,we went and checked,offered a LARGE donation,12 days later picked up our little vertical Blackstone hot Bulb Engine. Photos on webshots, now for the next one. David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 20 01:18:15 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:18:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another Toy In-Reply-To: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred> References: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: <8481B31E2B1644C8A634D4FC1E69EEBC@KerryPC> G'Day Brian Congrats, another fine engine to an impressive collection, well done Kerry > Hi List, > My son & I were told about a small Engine in a Museum about two hours > drive from home,we went and checked,offered a LARGE donation,12 days later > picked up our little vertical Blackstone hot Bulb Engine. Photos on > webshots, now for the next one. > David Watts (03) 87616332 From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 02:03:59 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:03:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Another Toy In-Reply-To: <8481B31E2B1644C8A634D4FC1E69EEBC@KerryPC> References: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred> <8481B31E2B1644C8A634D4FC1E69EEBC@KerryPC> Message-ID: Where abouts is that museum,Brian? John> From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:18:15 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Toy> > G'Day Brian> Congrats, another fine engine to an impressive collection, well done> > Kerry> > > Hi List,> > My son & I were told about a small Engine in a Museum about two hours > > drive from home,we went and checked,offered a LARGE donation,12 days later > > picked up our little vertical Blackstone hot Bulb Engine. Photos on > > webshots, now for the next one.> > David Watts (03) 87616332> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 20 02:32:19 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:32:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another Toy References: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred><8481B31E2B1644C8A634D4FC1E69EEBC@KerryPC> Message-ID: <000401c85b4f$bf22ebe0$e70e693a@fred> Nothing else is ever to be sold after this engine,it was bought by the museum ,everything else was donated or is on loan we tried! brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "john palmer" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Toy > > Where abouts is that museum,Brian? John> From: > ozengine at optusnet.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, > 20 Jan 2008 20:18:15 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Toy> > G'Day Brian> > Congrats, another fine engine to an impressive collection, well done> > > Kerry> > > Hi List,> > My son & I were told about a small Engine in a > Museum about two hours > > drive from home,we went and checked,offered a > LARGE donation,12 days later > > picked up our little vertical Blackstone > hot Bulb Engine. Photos on > > webshots, now for the next one.> > David > Watts (03) 87616332> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: > 19/01/2008 6:37 PM > > From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 04:59:21 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:59:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Another Toy In-Reply-To: <000401c85b4f$bf22ebe0$e70e693a@fred> References: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred><8481B31E2B1644C8A634D4FC1E69EEBC@KerryPC> <000401c85b4f$bf22ebe0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: Just pulling your leg Brian,nice engine. John> From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:32:19 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Toy> > Nothing else is ever to be sold after this engine,it was bought by the > museum ,everything else was donated or is on loan we tried!> brian> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john palmer" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:03 PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Toy> > > >> > Where abouts is that museum,Brian? John> From: > > ozengine at optusnet.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, > > 20 Jan 2008 20:18:15 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Toy> > G'Day Brian> > > Congrats, another fine engine to an impressive collection, well done> > > > Kerry> > > Hi List,> > My son & I were told about a small Engine in a > > Museum about two hours > > drive from home,we went and checked,offered a > > LARGE donation,12 days later > > picked up our little vertical Blackstone > > hot Bulb Engine. Photos on > > webshots, now for the next one.> > David > > Watts (03) 87616332> > _______________________________________________> > > SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> >> > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: > > 19/01/2008 6:37 PM> >> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 20 10:24:53 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:24:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit In-Reply-To: <003c01c85abc$e66613a0$6601a8c0@laptop> References: <003c01c85abc$e66613a0$6601a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <1200853493.479391f577d4a@webmail.city-net.com> Damn, THAT was a fun thread!! Thanks y'all!! See ya, Arnie Quoting "John T. May" : > And the answer is: > > US Patent number: 806796 > Filing date: Sep 1, 1905 > Issue date: Dec 12, 1905 > Inventor: William Glader, Chicago > > Machine for flaring or coning barrel hoops. > > You can get a copy of the patent by searching here: > http://www.google.com/patents > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery > that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel > making. Can someone shed any more light? > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR > RickinMt. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 21 01:20:09 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:20:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ.Members,Engine Sales Message-ID: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> Hi, I have a friend who is starting to downsize his Engine collection, they will start going on ebay next week but are available as of now, Austral Portable, Rare Hopper cooled 5Hp.Mag. Start,older restoration. Imperial Pitt 7Hp.portable,Tall base, flyball gov.petrol eng.older restoration. Both engines run well and will be sold. engines are in melbourne. Photos will be available in a few days time. Please contact me of list. briwatt at optusnt.com.au Brian. From George_Best at adp.com Mon Jan 21 07:28:20 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:28:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by other established forums. Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum while ignoring the one Spencer provides. I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. Just my 2 cents. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Widener Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... > >> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >> >> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >> can't see. >> >> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >> floppy. >> >> Al Harris >> Clarence Coast >> New South Wales >> Australia _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From johnwidener at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 21 08:01:31 2008 From: johnwidener at sbcglobal.net (John Widener) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:01:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But that is for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or whatever comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the wagon and don't click. Just my 5 cents... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for > ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support > for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by > other established forums. > > Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. > > For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it > is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum > while ignoring the one Spencer provides. > > I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's > "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. > > Just my 2 cents. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John > Widener > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to > help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't > make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >> >>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>> >>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I > >>> can't see. >>> >>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>> floppy. >>> >>> Al Harris >>> Clarence Coast >>> New South Wales >>> Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Mon Jan 21 09:30:46 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:30:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> I think it's a bad thing too. Take your own five cents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Widener" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But that > is > for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for > others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or > whatever > comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the > wagon > and don't click. Just my 5 cents... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > >> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by >> other established forums. >> >> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >> >> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >> >> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >> >> Just my 2 cents. >> >> George >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >> Widener >> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >> >> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>> >>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>> >>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >> >>>> can't see. >>>> >>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>> floppy. >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> Clarence Coast >>>> New South Wales >>>> Australia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >> confidential. >> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >> attachments >> from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jan 21 10:10:48 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:10:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OZ.Members,Engine Sales In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080121200912.00b96ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 21/01/2008, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:20:09 +1100 >From: "Brian Watts" >Subject: [SEL] OZ.Members,Engine Sales > >Hi, >I have a friend who is starting to downsize his Engine collection, they >will start going on ebay next week but are available as of now, >Austral Portable, Rare Hopper cooled 5Hp.Mag. Start,older restoration. >Imperial Pitt 7Hp.portable,Tall base, flyball gov.petrol eng.older >restoration. >Both engines run well and will be sold. >engines are in melbourne. >Photos will be available in a few days time. >Please contact me of list. briwatt at optusnt.com.au >Brian. I wish I lived in Oz and had lotsa money!! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1234 - Release Date: 20/01/2008 02:15 PM From johnwidener at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 21 10:24:34 2008 From: johnwidener at sbcglobal.net (John Widener) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:24:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> That's all this hobby needs, is people with bad attitudes like you to bring it down. "Another 5 cents worth" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >I think it's a bad thing too. Take your own five cents. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Widener" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > >> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But that >> is >> for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for >> others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or >> whatever >> comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the >> wagon >> and don't click. Just my 5 cents... >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Best, George" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >> >> >>> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >>> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >>> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by >>> other established forums. >>> >>> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >>> >>> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >>> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >>> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >>> >>> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >>> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> George >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >>> Widener >>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>> >>> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >>> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >>> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>>> >>>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>>> >>>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >>> >>>>> can't see. >>>>> >>>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>>> floppy. >>>>> >>>>> Al Harris >>>>> Clarence Coast >>>>> New South Wales >>>>> Australia >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>> confidential. >>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >>> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >>> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >>> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >>> attachments >>> from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Mon Jan 21 10:42:26 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:42:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <008101c85c5d$5f3f5880$6401a8c0@PaulNew> I will support Spencer .. my 2 cents worth Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Widener" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > That's all this hobby needs, is people with bad attitudes like you to > bring > it down. "Another 5 cents worth" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Ernst" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > >>I think it's a bad thing too. Take your own five cents. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Widener" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >> >> >>> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But >>> that >>> is >>> for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for >>> others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or >>> whatever >>> comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the >>> wagon >>> and don't click. Just my 5 cents... >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Best, George" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:28 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>> >>> >>>> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >>>> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >>>> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met >>>> by >>>> other established forums. >>>> >>>> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >>>> >>>> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >>>> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >>>> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >>>> >>>> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >>>> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >>>> >>>> Just my 2 cents. >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >>>> Widener >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>>> >>>> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >>>> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >>>> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>>>> >>>>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>>>> >>>>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >>>> >>>>>> can't see. >>>>>> >>>>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>>>> floppy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Al Harris >>>>>> Clarence Coast >>>>>> New South Wales >>>>>> Australia >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>>> confidential. >>>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >>>> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >>>> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >>>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >>>> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >>>> attachments >>>> from your system. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alharris44 at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 11:05:59 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:05:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ.Members,Engine Sales In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080121200912.00b96ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080121200912.00b96ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4794ED17.2070603@gmail.com> Jerry Evans wrote: > At 07:00 PM 21/01/2008, you wrote: >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:20:09 +1100 >> From: "Brian Watts" >> Subject: [SEL] OZ.Members,Engine Sales >> >> Hi, >> I have a friend who is starting to downsize his Engine collection, they >> will start going on ebay next week but are available as of now, >> Austral Portable, Rare Hopper cooled 5Hp.Mag. Start,older restoration. >> Imperial Pitt 7Hp.portable,Tall base, flyball gov.petrol eng.older >> restoration. >> Both engines run well and will be sold. >> engines are in melbourne. >> Photos will be available in a few days time. >> Please contact me of list. briwatt at optusnt.com.au >> Brian. > > I wish I lived in Oz and had lotsa money!! > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > So do I Jerry. ;-) Al Harris "The Clarence Coast" Australia From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 21 11:25:34 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:25:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <90DE6CDCEE054BAF99813C1E68FD57E5@KerryPC> John you seem to be the one with the bad attitude, George is correct, we already have a website for US to share information for old engines or whatever. thanks for the info on a personal website of a good friend, but no I am happy with what we have. Also to post a header with MY PAGE that is someone else is BS Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > That's all this hobby needs, is people with bad attitudes like you to > bring > it down. "Another 5 cents worth" > > >>I think it's a bad thing too. Take your own five cents. >> >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >> >> >>> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But >>> that >>> is >>> for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for >>> others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or >>> whatever >>> comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the >>> wagon >>> and don't click. Just my 5 cents... >>> >>>> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >>>> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >>>> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met >>>> by >>>> other established forums. >>>> >>>> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >>>> >>>> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >>>> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >>>> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >>>> >>>> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >>>> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >>>> >>>> Just my 2 cents. >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>>> >>>> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >>>> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >>>> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>>>> >>>>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>>>> >>>>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >>>> >>>>>> can't see. >>>>>> >>>>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>>>> floppy. From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jan 21 11:48:21 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:48:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage /Now Spencer's Forum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080121201107.00b98dc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 21/01/2008, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:28:20 -0600 >From: "Best, George" >Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > >The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by >other established forums. > >Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. > >For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >"homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >Just my 2 cents. >George Hi George, (I receive the "Digest" version of the SEL so my comments may be as much as 24 hours out of date!) I'm 100% behind you on all your comments. I'm not a "forum" kinda guy but I did go there and sign up (Spencer's forum that is - not the other one.) I looked at the other one. Spencer posted the news this way on the 19th December: "I figured you folks deserved a present this year - so look under the tree: http://www.atis.net/forums PS: Been busy with life and the project resulting in the link above - charity auction to start soon! Spencer Yost" Now Guys, I read between the lines on that post, (and forgive me, a relative newbie, for giving the rest of you a 'bollocksing' ). Spencer obviously had the idea quite a while back and did a lot of work in the background (as a surprise and gift to SEL members ?) to get that whole lot going and was probably pretty excited when he announced it to the list. What was really disappointing was the very few replies (and "thank you's") he got from this list as well as the very few members registering on the forum. There were not even many replies saying it was or was not a good idea or at least "wishing it luck". O.K. , So I do know that there are other very popular forums out there (I also belong to SMOKSTAK but do not post often ) and I'm not qualified to judge on wether there is place for another forum or not but for goodness sake - at least reply and give your thoughts! My personal preference is not for "Forums" because I just do not have the time to spend on them - as a member still on "dial up" (changing very soon) I prefer the email list, where I can "log on" - download my mail - "log off" and read and answer the mail (I'm a terribly slow 2 finger typist) at my leisure and then "log on" again and send my replies. Having said that, I do spend a lot of time on forums especially on weekends when I have more time and my dial up charges are much reduced. There is much knowledge to be gleaned from them. Now, to get back to this post. Spencer's post was just before Christmas so that gives a whole bunch of you excuses for not replying because you were too busy preparing for the holidays but it does not excuse bad manners! Spencer provides this service to us and we all use and love it at no cost (as does Jim on the Oldengine List and Harry with Smokstak) - Is it really too much trouble to just pen a quick note of thanks for his efforts ??? I'm sure it takes a fair amount of his time as well as $$. C'mon Guys - the SEL is a great list - get your act (and manners) together. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1235 - Release Date: 21/01/2008 09:39 AM From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jan 21 11:59:32 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:59:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com> John, Cabin fever set in? My apologies in advance for not recognizing your name, are you new to the list? There are few individuals on this list who are as long term, level headed, engine knowledgeable, polite, and who have their pulse on the hobby as well as George Best does. George conducts engine tours in Europe and even publishes a hobby writing called the Western Trader as I recall. Saying George has a bad attitude is just ridiculous. My nickels worth. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC John Widener wrote: > That's all this hobby needs, is people with bad attitudes like you to bring > it down. "Another 5 cents worth" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Ernst" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > > >> I think it's a bad thing too. Take your own five cents. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Widener" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> S From George_Best at adp.com Mon Jan 21 12:40:30 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:40:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage /Now Spencer's Forum In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080121201107.00b98dc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080121201107.00b98dc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B14E93@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Jerry, Well said!! I'm hoping that some will take your posting to heart and help get the ATIS forums going. I also appreciate all my mates around the world speaking up on my behalf. Hope to see some of you this year. Might make it to the Portland show in August this year. Also I'm thinking that Neunen would be sure nice to go to again this year! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 11:48 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage /Now Spencer's Forum Hi George, (I receive the "Digest" version of the SEL so my comments may be as much as 24 hours out of date!) I'm 100% behind you on all your comments. I'm not a "forum" kinda guy but I did go there and sign up (Spencer's forum that is - not the other one.) I looked at the other one. Spencer posted the news this way on the 19th December: "I figured you folks deserved a present this year - so look under the tree: http://www.atis.net/forums PS: Been busy with life and the project resulting in the link above - charity auction to start soon! Spencer Yost" Now Guys, I read between the lines on that post, (and forgive me, a relative newbie, for giving the rest of you a 'bollocksing' ). Spencer obviously had the idea quite a while back and did a lot of work in the background (as a surprise and gift to SEL members ?) to get that whole lot going and was probably pretty excited when he announced it to the list. What was really disappointing was the very few replies (and "thank you's") he got from this list as well as the very few members registering on the forum. There were not even many replies saying it was or was not a good idea or at least "wishing it luck". O.K. , So I do know that there are other very popular forums out there (I also belong to SMOKSTAK but do not post often ) and I'm not qualified to judge on wether there is place for another forum or not but for goodness sake - at least reply and give your thoughts! My personal preference is not for "Forums" because I just do not have the time to spend on them - as a member still on "dial up" (changing very soon) I prefer the email list, where I can "log on" - download my mail - "log off" and read and answer the mail (I'm a terribly slow 2 finger typist) at my leisure and then "log on" again and send my replies. Having said that, I do spend a lot of time on forums especially on weekends when I have more time and my dial up charges are much reduced. There is much knowledge to be gleaned from them. Now, to get back to this post. Spencer's post was just before Christmas so that gives a whole bunch of you excuses for not replying because you were too busy preparing for the holidays but it does not excuse bad manners! Spencer provides this service to us and we all use and love it at no cost (as does Jim on the Oldengine List and Harry with Smokstak) - Is it really too much trouble to just pen a quick note of thanks for his efforts ??? I'm sure it takes a fair amount of his time as well as $$. C'mon Guys - the SEL is a great list - get your act (and manners) together. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jan 21 15:26:52 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:26:52 +0800 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_OT=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2ESir_E?= =?windows-1252?q?d_Hillary?= Message-ID: <000501c85c85$1e850920$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Today is the funeral of Sir Edmund Hillary , condolences to our Kiwi mates. Sir Ed was a mountain of a man ,we walk in his shadow. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 21 19:48:22 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:48:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Magazine Message-ID: <001801c85ca9$a3da4bc0$e70e693a@fred> TOMM INDEX Can anyone tell me in which book is the Index for the year 1997? it covers Book No.69 to No.74 David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Jan 21 21:26:33 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:26:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Magazine In-Reply-To: <001801c85ca9$a3da4bc0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: <000201c85cb7$59e2de70$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Dave Just had a look and it doesn't seem as if they did one. Went up to Dec 1998 and found that years. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2008 2:48 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] TOMM Magazine TOMM INDEX Can anyone tell me in which book is the Index for the year 1997? it covers Book No.69 to No.74 David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 30/12/2007 11:27 AM From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jan 22 02:16:41 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:16:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> John You obviously have no idea of the history behind OUR ATIS & Oldengine.org List groups. We DO have engines and sometimes FATG stuff, we have been around for many years, 10 years for me, so why do we need to even bother with anyone else's brain child. Keep your $0.05 and I will raise you $10 to stay with our group, just the way it is Peter, Oz . > This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But that > is > for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for > others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or > whatever > comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the > wagon > and don't click. Just my 5 cents... > > >> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by >> other established forums. >> >> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >> >> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >> >> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >> >> Just my 2 cents. >> >> George >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >> Widener >> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >> >> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>> >>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>> >>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >> >>>> can't see. >>>> >>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>> floppy. >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> Clarence Coast >>>> New South Wales >>>> Australia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >> confidential. >> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >> attachments >> from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From alharris44 at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 02:34:22 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:34:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <4795C6AE.1000600@gmail.com> Oh my gawd! I know the arse has just fallen out of the All Ords Index, but that much. :-( Al, Oz2. Peter Lowe wrote: > John > You obviously have no idea of the history behind OUR ATIS & Oldengine.org > List groups. > We DO have engines and sometimes FATG stuff, we have been around for many > years, 10 years for me, so why do we need to even bother with anyone else's > brain child. > Keep your $0.05 and I will raise you $10 to stay with our group, just the > way it is > Peter, Oz > > > . > > >> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But that >> is >> for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for >> others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or >> whatever >> comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the >> wagon >> and don't click. Just my 5 cents... > >> >>> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >>> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >>> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by >>> other established forums. >>> >>> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >>> >>> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >>> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >>> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >>> >>> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >>> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> George >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >>> Widener >>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>> >>> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >>> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >>> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>>> >>>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >>>>> can't see. >>>>> >>>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>>> floppy. >>>>> >>>>> Al Harris >>>>> Clarence Coast >>>>> New South Wales >>>>> Australia >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>> confidential. >>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >>> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >>> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >>> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >>> attachments >>> from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 22 02:50:59 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:50:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: G'day Oz Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus lamp Thanks Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From bethell at internode.on.net Tue Jan 22 03:11:35 2008 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:11:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: <001401c85ce7$8d9879c0$0201010a@JIM> Kerry Try Associated Kerosene and Oil Lamps of Braidwood regards Jim Bethell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp > G'day Oz > > Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus lamp > > Thanks > > Kerry > > Lithgow NSW Oz > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jan 22 04:08:52 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:08:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080122120845.GIKZ26985.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Try this one: http://www.oillamps.com.au/ or http://melbourne.citysearch.com.au/E/V/MELBO/0054/61/63/ Sands & Co used to have a shop near me but they went a couple of years ago. I am also pretty sure that Rallybadges stocks them as well. http://www.rallybadges.com/ Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2008 9:51 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp G'day Oz Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus lamp Thanks Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 22 06:15:17 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:15:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SEL Mythos References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <002001c85d01$37651120$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > We DO have engines and sometimes FATG stuff, we have been around for many > years, >> And our name is Legion . Remember that guy from Austin tryin to run an electric fuel pump on a brass Rolls ? The stuck lid in the municipal sewer plant was memorable . It healed itself though . There have been really outrageous OT fixes.Somebody do me one better, I havent used enough coffee yet . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From johnwidener at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 22 10:08:03 2008 From: johnwidener at sbcglobal.net (John Widener) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:08:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <004a01c85d21$bbdf0bc0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Well, this email must have worked. It generated allot more new members than I thought it would. So there must be some people other than yourself interested in this other "Brain Child" Site. And I will just keep my 5 cents so I don't have to deal with the ignoramus people who have nothing but negative things to say. And to the people here on the SEL list that have sent me the thank you emails, Your Welcome. To the negative ones, Have fun in the future, with you negative attitudes, it wont get you too far in life. And to the rest of the list that I have never met, I hope you go far in life. I subscribed to this list because of a friend referred me to it. All I see here is allot of people that just want to complain, and cry because the list isn't going so well. Remember, its people like you that give a bad name to this group. Don't bother emailing me or through the list. I have unsubscribed and have my spam filter set. So, if your not in my address book, then don't waste the time to even email me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > John > You obviously have no idea of the history behind OUR ATIS & Oldengine.org > List groups. > We DO have engines and sometimes FATG stuff, we have been around for many > years, 10 years for me, so why do we need to even bother with anyone > else's > brain child. > Keep your $0.05 and I will raise you $10 to stay with our group, just the > way it is > Peter, Oz > > > . > > >> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But that >> is >> for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for >> others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or >> whatever >> comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the >> wagon >> and don't click. Just my 5 cents... > >> >> >>> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >>> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >>> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by >>> other established forums. >>> >>> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >>> >>> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >>> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >>> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >>> >>> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >>> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> George >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >>> Widener >>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>> >>> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >>> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >>> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>>> >>>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>>> >>>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >>> >>>>> can't see. >>>>> >>>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>>> floppy. >>>>> >>>>> Al Harris >>>>> Clarence Coast >>>>> New South Wales >>>>> Australia >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>> confidential. >>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >>> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >>> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >>> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >>> attachments >>> from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 22 10:26:48 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:26:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> George is one of the old-time rocks. I'd even say George rocks! After running theamcforums.com for a few months, I can say with certainty that we can pretty well tell who the "new" and "old" are (not necessarily age), and even get really close on their age, just by reading a post or two. (good grief, read the posts of our member eaglekammback and tell me his age! you will be correct.) George, I'm not calling you old, just mature. I'm shutting up now! Bill > John, > Cabin fever set in? My apologies in advance for not recognizing your > name, are you new to the list? > > There are few individuals on this list who are as long term, level > headed, engine knowledgeable, polite, and who have their pulse on the > hobby as well as George Best does. George conducts engine tours in > Europe and even publishes a hobby writing called the Western Trader as I > recall. > > Saying George has a bad attitude is just ridiculous. > My nickels worth. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > John Widener wrote: >> That's all this hobby needs, is people with bad attitudes like you to >> bring >> it down. "Another 5 cents worth" >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Ernst" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >> >> >> >>> I think it's a bad thing too. Take your own five cents. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Widener" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> S > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jan 22 10:47:07 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:47:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com> <1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I'm only 60! My engines are all older than me. ;-) We really need to get off the cabin fever posts and get back to our common hobby. I know for some of us this is the cold time of the year and even though I do have wood stove in my shop it takes a long time to heat it up much. Or at least that is my main excuse for not working out there more. I've got a 5hp Aermotor sitting in the shop for at least 5 years now and it probably would only take a few dedicated days of work to get it running. I've got my 1910 5hp Ceres also in the shop and would like to be able to show it this year, but not sure I should work on it when I've got so many other projects in process. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:27 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage George is one of the old-time rocks. I'd even say George rocks! After running theamcforums.com for a few months, I can say with certainty that we can pretty well tell who the "new" and "old" are (not necessarily age), and even get really close on their age, just by reading a post or two. (good grief, read the posts of our member eaglekammback and tell me his age! you will be correct.) George, I'm not calling you old, just mature. I'm shutting up now! Bill This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jan 22 11:43:31 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:43:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <004a01c85d21$bbdf0bc0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> <004a01c85d21$bbdf0bc0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <47964763.8050203@imc-group.com> Don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC John Widener wrote: > Well, this email must have worked. It generated allot more new members than > I thought it would. So there must be some people other than yourself > interested in this other "Brain Child" Site. And I will just keep my 5 > cents so I don't have to deal with the ignoramus people who have nothing but > negative things to say. And to the people here on the SEL list that have > sent me the thank you emails, Your Welcome. To the negative ones, Have fun > in the future, with you negative attitudes, it wont get you too far in life. > And to the rest of the list that I have never met, I hope you go far in > life. I subscribed to this list because of a friend referred me to it. All I > see here is allot of people that just want to complain, and cry because the > list isn't going so well. Remember, its people like you that give a bad name > to this group. Don't bother emailing me or through the list. I have > unsubscribed and have my spam filter set. So, if your not in my address > book, then don't waste the time to even email me. > > From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Jan 22 13:31:51 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:31:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> <004a01c85d21$bbdf0bc0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <007201c85d3e$34a2d020$6501a8c0@PaulNew> well I wish him the best, now maybe this mess is put to rest, I am glad he is gone Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Widener" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > Well, this email must have worked. It generated allot more new members > than > I thought it would. So there must be some people other than yourself > interested in this other "Brain Child" Site. And I will just keep my 5 > cents so I don't have to deal with the ignoramus people who have nothing > but > negative things to say. And to the people here on the SEL list that have > sent me the thank you emails, Your Welcome. To the negative ones, Have fun > in the future, with you negative attitudes, it wont get you too far in > life. > And to the rest of the list that I have never met, I hope you go far in > life. I subscribed to this list because of a friend referred me to it. All > I > see here is allot of people that just want to complain, and cry because > the > list isn't going so well. Remember, its people like you that give a bad > name > to this group. Don't bother emailing me or through the list. I have > unsubscribed and have my spam filter set. So, if your not in my address > book, then don't waste the time to even email me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > >> John >> You obviously have no idea of the history behind OUR ATIS & Oldengine.org >> List groups. >> We DO have engines and sometimes FATG stuff, we have been around for many >> years, 10 years for me, so why do we need to even bother with anyone >> else's >> brain child. >> Keep your $0.05 and I will raise you $10 to stay with our group, just the >> way it is >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> . >> >> >>> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But >>> that >>> is >>> for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for >>> others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or >>> whatever >>> comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the >>> wagon >>> and don't click. Just my 5 cents... >> >>> >>> >>>> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >>>> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >>>> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met >>>> by >>>> other established forums. >>>> >>>> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >>>> >>>> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >>>> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >>>> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >>>> >>>> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >>>> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >>>> >>>> Just my 2 cents. >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >>>> Widener >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>>> >>>> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >>>> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >>>> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>>>> >>>>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>>>> >>>>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >>>> >>>>>> can't see. >>>>>> >>>>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>>>> floppy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Al Harris >>>>>> Clarence Coast >>>>>> New South Wales >>>>>> Australia >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>>> confidential. >>>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >>>> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >>>> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >>>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >>>> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >>>> attachments >>>> from your system. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Tue Jan 22 14:00:22 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:00:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <018f01c85d42$2fe4d610$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> I'm right in the middle of restoring 2 JD model H's, sold one and am keeping the other. I moved the 2HP Fairbanks T into the shop office and have been looking at it for the past couple of months. It is/was a Jack with no tank, so I'm going to put an old small brass gear pump on the skid, drive it with a flat belt off a a pully inside the flywheel. Been watching the different styles of screen cooled engines such as the IHC verticals, but don't want to be a copy cat. I've got an idea of making a "cooling tower" style with wooden removable slats staggered and stacked atop the others. Will have to get creative and make some sort of valve on the intake side of the pump to control temperature and volume. Gotta stop being a FATG and get to work on it if I'm gonna lug it to Tulare. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > I'm only 60! My engines are all older than me. ;-) > > We really need to get off the cabin fever posts and get back to our > common hobby. > > I know for some of us this is the cold time of the year and even though > I do have wood stove in my shop it takes a long time to heat it up much. > Or at least that is my main excuse for not working out there more. > > I've got a 5hp Aermotor sitting in the shop for at least 5 years now and > it probably would only take a few dedicated days of work to get it > running. > > I've got my 1910 5hp Ceres also in the shop and would like to be able to > show it this year, but not sure I should work on it when I've got so > many other projects in process. > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > bill at antique-engines.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:27 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > George is one of the old-time rocks. > I'd even say George rocks! > > After running theamcforums.com for a few months, I can say with > certainty that we can pretty well tell who the "new" and "old" are (not > necessarily age), and even get really close on their age, just by > reading a post or two. > (good grief, read the posts of our member eaglekammback and tell me his > age! you will be correct.) > > George, I'm not calling you old, just mature. > > I'm shutting up now! > > Bill > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jan 22 14:12:11 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:12:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp> Dibs on the Aeromotor!!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > I'm only 60! My engines are all older than me. ;-) > > We really need to get off the cabin fever posts and get back to our > common hobby. > > I know for some of us this is the cold time of the year and even though > I do have wood stove in my shop it takes a long time to heat it up much. > Or at least that is my main excuse for not working out there more. > > I've got a 5hp Aermotor sitting in the shop for at least 5 years now and > it probably would only take a few dedicated days of work to get it > running. > > I've got my 1910 5hp Ceres also in the shop and would like to be able to > show it this year, but not sure I should work on it when I've got so > many other projects in process. > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > bill at antique-engines.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:27 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > George is one of the old-time rocks. > I'd even say George rocks! > > After running theamcforums.com for a few months, I can say with > certainty that we can pretty well tell who the "new" and "old" are (not > necessarily age), and even get really close on their age, just by > reading a post or two. > (good grief, read the posts of our member eaglekammback and tell me his > age! you will be correct.) > > George, I'm not calling you old, just mature. > > I'm shutting up now! > > Bill > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jan 22 14:35:21 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:35:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage In-Reply-To: <003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Sure Mike! Give me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-) Ted Brookover rebuilt both the ignitor and the Webster on that engine so that makes it expensive! Plus I think my friend Harry might not like it if I sold that engine, plus a few other collectors I know. So I think I'll have it for awhile. George Ps... If you really do have $20k burning a hole in your pocket, I'm sure that Harry and Ted would both understand why I had to sell it :-) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:12 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Aermotor Dibs on the Aeromotor!!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > I've got a 5hp Aermotor sitting in the shop for at least 5 years now and > it probably would only take a few dedicated days of work to get it > running. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 22 18:27:20 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:27:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage--cooling towers References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <018f01c85d42$2fe4d610$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <007901c85d67$7c12ca40$18d34c0c@D48VHZ61> My 2hp IHC vertical has a waterwheel for a cooling tower. The guy that built it did an excellent job on the woodworking. However they mounted it on bearings so you really have to keep the water supply turned down or it will drain the tank in short order. One of these days I'll either switch it over to bushings or rig up some sort of friction disc to keep the speed down. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > I'm right in the middle of restoring 2 JD model H's, sold one and am > keeping > the other. I moved the 2HP Fairbanks T into the shop office and have been > looking at it for the past couple of months. It is/was a Jack with no > tank, > so I'm going to put an old small brass gear pump on the skid, drive it > with > a flat belt off a a pully inside the flywheel. Been watching the > different > styles of screen cooled engines such as the IHC verticals, but don't want > to > be a copy cat. I've got an idea of making a "cooling tower" style with > wooden removable slats staggered and stacked atop the others. Will have to > get creative and make some sort of valve on the intake side of the pump to > control temperature and volume. > Gotta stop being a FATG and get to work on it if I'm gonna lug it to > Tulare. > Dave From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jan 22 19:12:59 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:12:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> It's like that old joke, now that we know it's for sale, we are just haggling about the price!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage > Sure Mike! > > Give me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-) > > Ted Brookover rebuilt both the ignitor and the Webster on that engine so > that makes it expensive! > > Plus I think my friend Harry might not like it if I sold that engine, > plus a few other collectors I know. > > So I think I'll have it for awhile. > > George > > Ps... If you really do have $20k burning a hole in your pocket, I'm sure > that Harry and Ted would both understand why I had to sell it :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Royster > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:12 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Aermotor > > Dibs on the Aeromotor!!!!! > > Mike Royster > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > > >> I've got a 5hp Aermotor sitting in the shop for at least 5 years now > and >> it probably would only take a few dedicated days of work to get it >> running. > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jan 22 23:46:34 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:46:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech><004a01c85d21$bbdf0bc0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <47964763.8050203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004501c85d94$141d32e0$0601a8c0@altech> Amen Curt Peter, Oz > Don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > John Widener wrote: >> Well, this email must have worked. It generated allot more new members >> than >> I thought it would. So there must be some people other than yourself >> interested in this other "Brain Child" Site. And I will just keep my 5 >> cents so I don't have to deal with the ignoramus people who have nothing >> but >> negative things to say. And to the people here on the SEL list that have >> sent me the thank you emails, Your Welcome. To the negative ones, Have >> fun >> in the future, with you negative attitudes, it wont get you too far in >> life. >> And to the rest of the list that I have never met, I hope you go far in >> life. I subscribed to this list because of a friend referred me to it. >> All I >> see here is allot of people that just want to complain, and cry because >> the >> list isn't going so well. Remember, its people like you that give a bad >> name >> to this group. Don't bother emailing me or through the list. I have >> unsubscribed and have my spam filter set. So, if your not in my address >> book, then don't waste the time to even email me. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Tue Jan 22 23:53:38 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:53:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi Kerry, I have used leather "buckets" from pumps that you can buy in various sizes at a farm supplies and (probably) irrigation supply places. Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp > G'day Oz > > Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus lamp > > Thanks > > Kerry > > Lithgow NSW Oz > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From alharris44 at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 00:26:51 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:26:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> OK I'll bite. What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this instance? And what would these be called? > http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg Al Harris Clarence Coast New South Wales Australia Michael Young wrote: > Hi Kerry, I have used leather "buckets" from pumps that you can buy in > various sizes at a farm supplies and (probably) irrigation supply places. > > Michael Young > 5 Beech Crescent > Orange NSW 2800 > AUSTRALIA > http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" > To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM > Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp > > >> G'day Oz >> >> Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus lamp >> >> Thanks >> >> Kerry >> >> Lithgow NSW Oz >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jan 23 01:52:31 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:52:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003601c85da5$abf18ba0$0601a8c0@altech> I would hazard at a guess Al, the same thing mate. I call them cups. Peter, Oz > OK I'll bite. > > What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this > instance? > > And what would these be called? > >> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg > > Al Harris > Clarence Coast > New South Wales > Australia > > > Michael Young wrote: >> Hi Kerry, I have used leather "buckets" from pumps that you can buy in >> various sizes at a farm supplies and (probably) irrigation supply places. >> >> Michael Young >> 5 Beech Crescent >> Orange NSW 2800 >> AUSTRALIA >> http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerry" >> To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp >> >> >>> G'day Oz >>> >>> Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus >>> lamp >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Kerry >>> >>> Lithgow NSW Oz >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 23 02:02:47 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:02:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002b01c85da7$1e9e6dc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> None ......depends what school you went to.I find making my own quite satisfactory ,a bit hard to find the leather. The ones you can buy from hydraulic equipment suppliers are a bit too hard ,in fact much too hard. Possibly get a smart arse response here! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp > OK I'll bite. > > What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this > instance? > > And what would these be called? > >> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg > > Al Harris > Clarence Coast > New South Wales > Australia > > > Michael Young wrote: >> Hi Kerry, I have used leather "buckets" from pumps that you can buy in >> various sizes at a farm supplies and (probably) irrigation supply places. >> >> Michael Young >> 5 Beech Crescent >> Orange NSW 2800 >> AUSTRALIA >> http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerry" >> To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp >> >> >>> G'day Oz >>> >>> Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus >>> lamp >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Kerry >>> >>> Lithgow NSW Oz >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 23 02:11:17 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:11:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <797CB7AB732745E280BF84EF4BD7F307@KerryPC> Thanks everyone for the great feed back, I had a look at Associated Kerosene and Oil Lamps of Braidwood and will contact them tomorrow. http://www.oillamps.com.au/ looks like they have a good range of small buckets or cups that are made for most lamps, some Americans may not know what I am talking about is a kero Primus lamp / stove that was designed to heat the vapourising chamber on a Australian Austral kero engine to start it. Several have asked what is the difference, looks to me as another case of where you are from as to what they are called but may be cups are smaller size than buckets but they are all seals on a piston if that is the case I should have said leather cup. Thanks for all the help will let you all know how I go Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > OK I'll bite. > > What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this > instance? > > And what would these be called? > >> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg > > Al Harris > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jan 23 02:18:00 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:18:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <797CB7AB732745E280BF84EF4BD7F307@KerryPC> Message-ID: <007801c85da9$3bb2f820$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Kerry I also sent them an email with this photo. Peter > Thanks everyone for the great feed back, I had a look at > Associated Kerosene and Oil Lamps of Braidwood and will contact them > tomorrow. > http://www.oillamps.com.au/ > looks like they have a good range of small buckets or cups that are made > for > most lamps, some Americans may not know what I am talking about is a kero > Primus lamp / stove that was designed to heat the vapourising chamber on a > Australian Austral kero engine to start it. > > Several have asked what is the difference, looks to me as another case of > where you are from as to what they are called but may be cups are smaller > size than buckets but they are all seals on a piston if that is the case I > should have said leather cup. > > Thanks for all the help will let you all know how I go > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW Oz > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > > >> OK I'll bite. >> >> What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this >> instance? >> >> And what would these be called? >> >>> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg >> >> Al Harris >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 23 02:34:05 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:34:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <007801c85da9$3bb2f820$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com><797CB7AB732745E280BF84EF4BD7F307@KerryPC> <007801c85da9$3bb2f820$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: G'Day Peter Thanks The size on the Primus lamp is only 17 mm with 6 mm bore, I think most Primus lamps have the same size pump. Al's photos seem the right size "small" Kerry > Hi Kerry > I also sent them an email with this photo. > > Peter > >>> >>>> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg >>> >>> Al Harris From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 23 02:59:02 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:59:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <797CB7AB732745E280BF84EF4BD7F307@KerryPC> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <797CB7AB732745E280BF84EF4BD7F307@KerryPC> Message-ID: <4C141B23A9464B7F91AFFC996B2A2437@KerryPC> G'Day Peter Thanks The size on the Primus lamp is only 17 mm with 6 mm bore, I think most Primus lamps have the same size pump. Al's photos seem the right size "small" Kerry > Hi Kerry > I also sent them an email with this photo. > > Peter > >>> >>>> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg >>> >>> Al Harris From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 23 03:14:26 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:14:26 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <002b01c85da7$1e9e6dc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <002b01c85da7$1e9e6dc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <47972192.5080301@optusnet.com.au> peter ogborne wrote: > None ......depends what school you went to.I find making my own quite > satisfactory ,a bit hard to find the leather. > The ones you can buy from hydraulic equipment suppliers are a bit too hard > ,in fact much too hard. === Always used to be called "pump buckets" in my kneck of the kwoods. (Western Qld) My father used to make them out of the nice thin leather from old boot or shoe tongues, annointed with neatsfoot oil, and shaped round a bit of wood, probably the end of an old broomstick that happened to be the correct diameter. I'm sure he never bought a new one in his life. And the young people of today think they invented "recycling"! Pshw! ( I can say it even if I can't spell it) Jack === From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jan 23 03:24:16 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:24:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp Message-ID: <012320081124.24488.479723E0000CEC1100005FA8219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Kerry, I call them cup leathers and yes I have a very large selection of NOS cup leathers on hand. Call me on SKYPE soon to clarify your actual size mate. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:16:00 +0000 > Thanks everyone for the great feed back, I had a look at > Associated Kerosene and Oil Lamps of Braidwood and will contact them > tomorrow. > http://www.oillamps.com.au/ > looks like they have a good range of small buckets or cups that are made for > most lamps, some Americans may not know what I am talking about is a kero > Primus lamp / stove that was designed to heat the vapourising chamber on a > Australian Austral kero engine to start it. > > Several have asked what is the difference, looks to me as another case of > where you are from as to what they are called but may be cups are smaller > size than buckets but they are all seals on a piston if that is the case I > should have said leather cup. > > Thanks for all the help will let you all know how I go > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW Oz > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > > > > OK I'll bite. > > > > What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this > > instance? > > > > And what would these be called? > > > >> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg > > > > Al Harris > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jan 23 04:15:21 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:15:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> Message-ID: > OK I'll bite. > > What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this > instance? > > And what would these be called? > > > http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg Years ago we called'em "Sucker Washers." I wouldn't doubt that Arnie called'em SUCKer, Squeeze washers as it makes more sense. There was a song many years ago about Desert Pete who kept a bottle of water next to a pump out in the Desert. "Wash yer hands, cool yer feet, but leave the bottle full for others, thank ya kindly Desert Pete. That's all I remember from it, and of course had to do with priming. I wouldn't doubt that the list couldn't find that old song. Hoping your day is warmer than mine!! RickinMt. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 23 04:36:45 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:36:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <797CB7AB732745E280BF84EF4BD7F307@KerryPC> Message-ID: <20080123123637.WGSY16091.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Have you found a way to coat the lamp with black, sticky oil just like the engine? ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Thanks everyone for the great feed back, I had a look at Associated Kerosene and Oil Lamps of Braidwood and will contact them tomorrow. http://www.oillamps.com.au/ looks like they have a good range of small buckets or cups that are made for most lamps, some Americans may not know what I am talking about is a kero Primus lamp / stove that was designed to heat the vapourising chamber on a Australian Austral kero engine to start it. Several have asked what is the difference, looks to me as another case of where you are from as to what they are called but may be cups are smaller size than buckets but they are all seals on a piston if that is the case I should have said leather cup. Thanks for all the help will let you all know how I go Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jan 23 07:38:47 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:38:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Years ago there were a couple of tractor collectors that I knew. The one collector had some tractors that today would be very expensive ones to buy and were still pretty valuable when this story took place. The second collector asked the first one if he'd sell him a couple of the tractors. The first collector didn't really want to sell so he said, "Sure, I'll sell them for $xx,xxxx!" which was a lot more than he thought anyone would pay. To his amazement, the second collector whipped out his checkbook and bought them! I was hoping that $20k was outrageous enough that even with the Royster oil fortune, you wouldn't take me up on my offer ;-) So here's a question for the group to answer: Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high price and had the buyer accept your price? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage It's like that old joke, now that we know it's for sale, we are just haggling about the price!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage > Sure Mike! > > Give me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-) This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Jan 23 08:12:19 2008 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:12:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor Message-ID: I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast cabinet. I am used to seeing 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. How do I connect this motor to a standard household box? here is the motor that I want to use. http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2008012310074489&item=10-1010&catname=electric _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 08:28:32 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:28:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <782109.2855.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No, but I wish they had. 8>)) However,,,, A couple years ago at an engine show I saw a guy that was selling some stuff and displaying other stuff,,,, He had a very nice Clipper flat belt lacer sitting on top of two boxes and one crate. I had been wanting one for several years so I asked him if it was for sale. He said, "No, But if I was going to sell it, that would be an expensive one. There are three boxes of lacing there with it. I would have to ask fifty dollars for all that." Of course he hardly got the words out of his mouth before I was holding out a $50.00 bill and saying I'd take it. 8>)) He stopped and I could see his wheels turning,,,, I held it out a little further and when he reached out and took it I had a hard time keeping from jumping in the air. The lacing was worth more than I paid for the whole thing. Turned out there even was a smaller Clipper lacer in there that you use by clamping it in a vise. Then he told me he only brought that to the show because someone had asked him to lace a belt for them. Just then that very guy walked up with a nice little 4" belt that needed lacing. I was nice enough to loan Joe my new Clipper belt lacer. 8>)) Joe told me he still had another one at home. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan "Best, George" wrote: Years ago there were a couple of tractor collectors that I knew. The one collector had some tractors that today would be very expensive ones to buy and were still pretty valuable when this story took place. The second collector asked the first one if he'd sell him a couple of the tractors. The first collector didn't really want to sell so he said, "Sure, I'll sell them for $xx,xxxx!" which was a lot more than he thought anyone would pay. To his amazement, the second collector whipped out his checkbook and bought them! I was hoping that $20k was outrageous enough that even with the Royster oil fortune, you wouldn't take me up on my offer ;-) So here's a question for the group to answer: Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high price and had the buyer accept your price? George --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jan 23 08:34:29 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:34:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47976C95.7050408@imc-group.com> Andy, Connect it to the 220v and it will run just fine. You will be over voltage by a mere 6%. You can reduce the heater protection by 5% (208/220) as it will pull 95% of the nameplate current, but not really necessary. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Andy Glines wrote: > I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast cabinet. I am used to seeing 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. How do I connect this motor to a standard household box? > > here is the motor that I want to use. > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2008012310074489&item=10-1010&catname=electric > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jan 23 08:45:19 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:45:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <47976F1F.3080708@imc-group.com> George, Many many years ago I took a 1960 MGA to its first antique car show after finishing a 7 year restoration on it. A neurosurgeon was parked beside me and asked what I wanted for it. I named a then insane amount of money for it figuring I would run him off. Same story, he whipped out his checkbook and wrote me a deposit. He came up the following weekend w/ trailer and paid me in full. Yeah it was a little tough seeing it go down the road, but I bought a nice 21' Cobalt boat with the funds, and truthfully we've enjoyed the boat more thru the years that we ever would have the MGA. Here is a photo: Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Best, George wrote: > Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high > price and had the buyer accept your price? > > George > > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jan 23 09:06:23 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:06:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <47976F1F.3080708@imc-group.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47976F1F.3080708@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B6854E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Wow! You did a great job restoring that MGA. Will be interesting to see how well you do on the Willys. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell George, Many many years ago I took a 1960 MGA to its first antique car show after finishing a 7 year restoration on it. A neurosurgeon was parked beside me and asked what I wanted for it. I named a then insane amount of money for it figuring I would run him off. Same story, he whipped out his checkbook and wrote me a deposit. He came up the following weekend w/ trailer and paid me in full. Yeah it was a little tough seeing it go down the road, but I bought a nice 21' Cobalt boat with the funds, and truthfully we've enjoyed the boat more thru the years that we ever would have the MGA. Here is a photo: Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Best, George wrote: > Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very > high price and had the buyer accept your price? > > George > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From shop at cccomm.net Wed Jan 23 09:07:01 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:07:01 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor References: Message-ID: <023801c85de2$5ee70690$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Just wire it as you would any 220 volt motor. Line1, line 2, neutral and separate ground. Dave E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: "stationary engine" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: [SEL] 208V motor > > I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast cabinet. I am used to seeing > 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. How do I connect this motor to a > standard household box? > > here is the motor that I want to use. > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2008012310074489&item=10-1010&catname=electric > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 23 09:20:12 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:20:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BB4F780-FDE6-47C3-99E8-7690232322F4@alltel.net> That motor will work just fine. Connect it and turn the switch on! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 23, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Andy Glines wrote: > > I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast cabinet. I am used to > seeing 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. How do I connect > this motor to a standard household box? > > here is the motor that I want to use. > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp? > UID=2008012310074489&item=10-1010&catname=electric > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge > with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx? > icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jan 23 09:20:23 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:20:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <47976F1F.3080708@imc-group.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47976F1F.3080708@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <47977757.4000507@scrtc.com> George, I had a very nice Geiser engine, 6 HP, sideshaft, all original (the most original paint I've ever seen on a Geiser engine), portable, etc., etc. I took it to a show and a guy I know bugged me about buying it. I know the guy and knew he wasn't very serious. So, bang, I hit him with a price. He said "OK, I'll take it". He walks over to another fella and then comes back over to me with the money. The gent with the cash didn't know me and was interested in the engine. He knew the other guy and asked him to get a price from me and if it wasn't over X dollars, then buy it. So, I "accidently" sold my baby. Live and learn. If you really don't want to get rid of something, don't put a price on it period! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >George, >Many many years ago I took a 1960 MGA to its first antique car show >after finishing a 7 year restoration on it. A neurosurgeon was parked >beside me and asked what I wanted for it. I named a then insane amount >of money for it figuring I would run him off. Same story, he whipped out >his checkbook and wrote me a deposit. He came up the following weekend >w/ trailer and paid me in full. Yeah it was a little tough seeing it go >down the road, but I bought a nice 21' Cobalt boat with the funds, and >truthfully we've enjoyed the boat more thru the years that we ever would >have the MGA. >Here is a photo: > >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >Best, George wrote: > > >>Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high >>price and had the buyer accept your price? >> >>George >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 10:25:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:25:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160801231025i2c94b0eex25bdaab3078edde8@mail.gmail.com> On 23/01/2008, Andy Glines wrote: > > I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast cabinet. I am used to seeing 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. How do I connect this motor to a standard household box? > > here is the motor that I want to use. > Should be fine, 208V is the phase to phase voltage of a 3-phase STAR connected supply that has 110V phase to neutral, so it was probably previously connected to a 3-phase supply, across two phases and no neutral. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From blcksmth at wcnet.org Wed Jan 23 10:53:34 2008 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:53:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <002401c85df1$4420c940$3464a8c0@Eagle> There was a fellow who came to almost every gun show back in the 60's and had on display 2 1875 Remington revolvers in a glass case. He did not want to sell them but enjoyed having them for display. At one show someone was admiring the revolvers and asked if they were for sale, to which he replied "no". The gentleman asked him to put a price on them and he kept him at bay for quite a while, but the admirer persisted. Finally the owner figured he would put an end to the whole procedure and said OK, $1200.00. At that point the admirer pulled his hand out of his pocket, peeled off 12 $100 bills, laid them on the table and walked off with the revolvers. Don't put a price on something you do not want to sell. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell Years ago there were a couple of tractor collectors that I knew. The one collector had some tractors that today would be very expensive ones to buy and were still pretty valuable when this story took place. The second collector asked the first one if he'd sell him a couple of the tractors. The first collector didn't really want to sell so he said, "Sure, I'll sell them for $xx,xxxx!" which was a lot more than he thought anyone would pay. To his amazement, the second collector whipped out his checkbook and bought them! I was hoping that $20k was outrageous enough that even with the Royster oil fortune, you wouldn't take me up on my offer ;-) So here's a question for the group to answer: Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high price and had the buyer accept your price? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage It's like that old joke, now that we know it's for sale, we are just haggling about the price!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage > Sure Mike! > > Give me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-) This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Jan 23 10:14:47 2008 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:14:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > 27. Re: 208V motor (Curt)> From: Curt > Subject: Re: [SEL] 208V motor> Andy,> Connect it to the 220v and it will run just fine. You will be over > voltage by a mere 6%. You can reduce the heater protection by 5% > (208/220) as it will pull 95% of the nameplate current, but not really > necessary.> Curt Holland> Gastonia, NC> > > Andy Glines wrote:> > I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast cabinet. I am used to seeing 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. How do I connect this motor to a standard household box?> > > > here is the motor that I want to use.> > > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2008012310074489&item=10-1010&catname=electric> > The motors that I am familiar with have two hot wires and a neutral. The wiring instructions with this motor show hooking up two hot only. There is no neutral???? The name plate does indicate that it is a 1ph motor. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Jan 23 12:27:25 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:27:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George: I've never had that happen but..........I have had a few aw-shoot moments when I was buying something and offered way less than the seller was asking, figuring that with a little haggling, I could get it for a decent price. The aw-shoot came when the offer accepted. Shoulda offered even less! Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 09:39 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > ......................snip................................. > > So here's a question for the group to answer: > > Have you ever offered something you didn't want > to sell for a very high > price and had the buyer accept your price? > > George From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jan 23 11:53:52 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:53:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47979B50.8030604@scrtc.com> Elden, There was a gent near me who had a real nice Domestic engine. All the collectors knew he had it but nobody seemed to be able to buy it. I had never tried and one day I stopped by his place. After looking at the engine I asked him if he'd sell it. "No it ain't for sale" he said "I'll always hang on to it". As I turned to get in my truck I said "I'd give you $200 for it". He said "well, it ain't for sale but I ain't no fool, give me your money". Seems as if everyone had tried to buy it but no one ever made him an offer. When he said "it ain't for sale" they would just walk off. You never know till you try. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Elden DuRand wrote: >George: > >I've never had that happen but..........I have had a few aw-shoot moments when I was buying something and offered way less than the seller was asking, figuring that with a little haggling, I could get it for a decent price. The aw-shoot came when the offer accepted. Shoulda offered even less! > >Take care - Elden >edurand at mchsi.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Best, >>George >>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 09:39 AM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell >> >> >> >......................snip................................. > > >>So here's a question for the group to answer: >> >>Have you ever offered something you didn't want >>to sell for a very high >>price and had the buyer accept your price? >> >>George >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jan 23 11:51:37 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:51:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor References: Message-ID: Andy..look again at the spec sheet as it says 1-phase...also click on the "wiring". I don't see any reason why you can't hook an earth ground to the case of the motor. Good Luck, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 208V motor > > > 27. Re: 208V motor (Curt)> From: Curt > Subject: Re: > > [SEL] 208V motor> Andy,> Connect it to the 220v and it will run just > > fine. You will be over > voltage by a mere 6%. You can reduce the heater > > protection by 5% > (208/220) as it will pull 95% of the nameplate > > current, but not really > necessary.> Curt Holland> Gastonia, NC> > > > > Andy Glines wrote:> > I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast > > cabinet. I am used to seeing 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. > > How do I connect this motor to a standard household box?> > > > here is > > the motor that I want to use.> > > > > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2008012310074489&item=10-1010&catname=electric> > > The motors that I am familiar with have two hot wires and a neutral. The > wiring instructions with this motor show hooking up two hot only. There > is no neutral???? The name plate does indicate that it is a 1ph motor. > _________________________________________________________________ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 23 12:32:39 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:32:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20080123203231.VTO14070.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> In 1979 we were at a Vintage & Veteran car rally in Western Australia with my Father's 1928 Ford AR Station Wagon. http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/Graphics/Woody.JPG A gentleman we knew to be a multi-millionaire wanted to desperately buy the car. He handed over a blank cheque and said 'write your own figure on it!' Dad politely said 'no, it is not for sale'. The Station Wagon was his pride and joy and we still have the car. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jan 23 12:56:53 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:56:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20080123203231.VTO14070.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080123203231.VTO14070.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <4797AA15.8080200@imc-group.com> Patrick, I know where one of these is, if there is interest. Curt Holland Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > In 1979 we were at a Vintage & Veteran car rally in Western Australia with > my Father's 1928 Ford AR Station Wagon. > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/Graphics/Woody.JPG > > A gentleman we knew to be a multi-millionaire wanted to desperately buy the > car. He handed over a blank cheque and said 'write your own figure on it!' > Dad politely said 'no, it is not for sale'. The Station Wagon was his pride > and joy and we still have the car. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Jan 23 14:26:30 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:26:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20080123203231.VTO14070.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Patrick: I think I woulda done writ $500,000 on the check and, after going to the bank with, would have escorted him to the courthouse to transfer it. THEN, I woulda gone out and bought another one for less than 1/10th of that. Woulda had most of the money and an AR! I also coulda lied and said that the replacement was the "family heirloom". :-) Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 02:33 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > > > In 1979 we were at a Vintage & Veteran car rally > in Western Australia with > my Father's 1928 Ford AR Station Wagon. > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/Graphics/Woody.JPG > > A gentleman we knew to be a multi-millionaire > wanted to desperately buy the > car. He handed over a blank cheque and said > 'write your own figure on it!' > Dad politely said 'no, it is not for sale'. The > Station Wagon was his pride > and joy and we still have the car. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Jan 23 13:30:30 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:30:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <47977757.4000507@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200801232130.m0NLUZVF089236@mail-gw.fsr.net> I have a story with a slightly different slant. One of my acquaintances was always bragging about how well off he was. He would go to auctions and say loud enough for everyone in the township to hear, "We'll see who has the biggest checkbook, today!" Well, he took a liking to one of my engines and was always trying to buy it from me. Since it was one of my favorites, I wouldn't consider selling. One day when he had a fair sized audience he loudly proclaimed, "Orrin, I'll give you THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS for that engine!" That was about six times what it was worth. I figured he was just blowing smoke. By that time he probably had me figured for turning down that amount. Furthermore, I didn't want to embarrass the guy by saying "Yes." But, it would have been fun listening to him sputter and back-pedal if I had. :-) I'll never know for sure if Bob would have stood behind his offer; he's pushing up daisies, now. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:20 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell Snip If you really don't want to get rid of something, don't put a price on it period! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 23 13:55:20 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:55:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Good thread George, I guess this would qualify as an offer to buy. At our home show a a few years back a "wannabe collector" came around asking everyone showing if they had any engines for sale and announced he had $2000 to spend do you think he could find anything to buy for that. You know, everyone attending a show asks where can I buy one. Most were polite and said no and did not take him seriously. Eventually one of the old timers said "Sure that one there is for sale for $1000". And sold him a relatively common running engine for what most would consider valued at 1/3 of that price. The rest of the story is that after that he became hooked and became a member of the club and continued buying engines everywhere they could be found and currently has a collection most would envy. Some were bought at above market value and some below. Goes to show you that the value is whatever someone is willing to pay for it on that particular day. Ed Herreid BTW George, What is the status of that New Holland engine you were remorsing about buying a while back. > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:38:47 -0600> From: George_Best at adp.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell> > Years ago there were a couple of tractor collectors that I knew. The> one collector had some tractors that today would be very expensive ones> to buy and were still pretty valuable when this story took place.> > The second collector asked the first one if he'd sell him a couple of> the tractors.> > The first collector didn't really want to sell so he said, "Sure, I'll> sell them for $xx,xxxx!" which was a lot more than he thought anyone> would pay.> > To his amazement, the second collector whipped out his checkbook and> bought them!> > I was hoping that $20k was outrageous enough that even with the Royster> oil fortune, you wouldn't take me up on my offer ;-)> > So here's a question for the group to answer:> > Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high> price and had the buyer accept your price?> > George> > -----Original Message-----> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike> Royster> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM> To: The SEL email discussion list> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage> > It's like that old joke, now that we know it's for sale, we are just> haggling about the price!!!!> > Mike> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:35 PM> Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage> > > > Sure Mike!> >> > Give me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-)> > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Wed Jan 23 14:18:24 2008 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:18:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <47979B50.8030604@scrtc.com> References: <47979B50.8030604@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002201c85e0d$df148970$1402a8c0@Waynexp> Tommy, Your Domestic story reminds me of Clyde Schurman. Clyde had a couple IHC single cylinder tractors that I and others had tried for years to buy. Clyde would listen to you try and figure away to get him to sell the tractors and in the end would say that he didn't want to sell. I had tried for 12 plus years to buy the 20 HP Titan Model D with every trick I could think of. Then one day I and a friend went up to visit Clyde and take him to lunch. I had an old wore out crumpled up brown paper bag filled with cash that I took with me. We visited for about an hour with the bag on the table. He had no idea what was in it but kept looking at the bag out of the corner of his eye. Finally we decided to go get lunch and were putting on our coats when Clyde asked what was in the bag. I picked up the bag and told him that I knew he did not want to sell the IHC Tractor but if he ever changed his mind that I was the first phone number he needed to call. I dumped the money out on the table and said this is to show you that I am serious! Clyde got real sober and asked how much was there. I told him that he needed to count it to find out. After he stared at it for awhile he and his wife counted the pile. He started in that he didn't want to sell the tractor. My friend asked him why he didn't want to sell, saying that I would be a good caretaker. He looked at Julius and told him "I said I didn't want to sell the tractor...I never said I wouldn't sell the tractor." At that point we shook hands and went to lunch. When we came back he wanted to find the book that went with the 20 HP Titan Model D so we took a trip to the basement. While looking he ran into the book for the 20 HP IHC Type B 2 Speed and gave it to me to look at, while he continued to look for the other book. When I was finished looking I handed it back to him at which point he said I needed to keep it as he was not going to split the 2 tractors up and I needed to buy the other one. A payment program was set up and the rest is history! There were other engines that I had purchased over the years from Clyde that no one else could buy. Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] spam: Re: Didn't want to sell Elden, There was a gent near me who had a real nice Domestic engine. All the collectors knew he had it but nobody seemed to be able to buy it. I had never tried and one day I stopped by his place. After looking at the engine I asked him if he'd sell it. "No it ain't for sale" he said "I'll always hang on to it". As I turned to get in my truck I said "I'd give you $200 for it". He said "well, it ain't for sale but I ain't no fool, give me your money". Seems as if everyone had tried to buy it but no one ever made him an offer. When he said "it ain't for sale" they would just walk off. You never know till you try. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Elden DuRand wrote: >George: > >I've never had that happen but..........I have had a few aw-shoot moments when I was buying something and offered way less than the seller was asking, figuring that with a little haggling, I could get it for a decent price. The aw-shoot came when the offer accepted. Shoulda offered even less! > >Take care - Elden >edurand at mchsi.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Best, >>George >>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 09:39 AM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell >> >> >> >......................snip................................. > > >>So here's a question for the group to answer: >> >>Have you ever offered something you didn't want >>to sell for a very high >>price and had the buyer accept your price? >> >>George >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jan 23 14:24:57 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:24:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B95CAE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Ed, I still regret buying it and still have it. It's a fine engine, but given the choice of having the money back or keeping the engine, I'd rather have the money. Just keeping it is always an option as they are not a common engine out here in the western states. Haven't decided yet, but I may try putting it on eBay later if I drive back to Portland and could deliver it to a buyer. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Herreid ---snip---- Ed Herreid BTW George, What is the status of that New Holland engine you were remorsing about buying a while back. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From shop at cccomm.net Wed Jan 23 14:27:26 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:27:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <027701c85e0f$22611fd0$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> At a hardware store parking lot in SoCal I once had a guy that wanted to swap his new cadillac for my 1930 model A pickup.....I'm still driving the pickup, dents and all. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Herreid" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > > Good thread George, > > I guess this would qualify as an offer to buy. > > At our home show a a few years back a "wannabe collector" came around > asking everyone showing if they had any engines for sale and announced he > had $2000 to spend do you think he could find anything to buy for that. > You know, everyone attending a show asks where can I buy one. Most were > polite and said no and did not take him seriously. Eventually one of the > old timers said "Sure that one there is for sale for $1000". And sold him > a relatively common running engine for what most would consider valued at > 1/3 of that price. > > The rest of the story is that after that he became hooked and became a > member of the club and continued buying engines everywhere they could be > found and currently has a collection most would envy. Some were bought at > above market value and some below. Goes to show you that the value is > whatever someone is willing to pay for it on that particular day. > > Ed Herreid > > BTW George, What is the status of that New Holland engine you were > remorsing about buying a while back. > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 > 09:38:47 -0600> From: George_Best at adp.com> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell> > > Years ago there were a couple of tractor collectors that I knew. The> one > collector had some tractors that today would be very expensive ones> to > buy and were still pretty valuable when this story took place.> > The > second collector asked the first one if he'd sell him a couple of> the > tractors.> > The first collector didn't really want to sell so he said, > "Sure, I'll> sell them for $xx,xxxx!" which was a lot more than he thought > anyone> would pay.> > To his amazement, the second collector whipped out > his checkbook and> bought them!> > I was hoping that $20k was outrageous > enough that even with the Royster> oil fortune, you wouldn't take me up on > my offer ;-)> > So here's a question for the group to answer:> > Have you > ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high> price and > had the buyer accept your price?> > George> > -----Original Message-----> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike> > Royster> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM> To: The SEL email > discussion list> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage> > It's like > that old joke, now that we know it's for sale, we are just> haggling about > the price!!!!> > Mike> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Best, George" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:35 > PM> Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage> > > > Sure Mike!> >> > Give > me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-)> > > This > message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee > and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 15:15:12 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:15:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell --- THANKS GEORGE !!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <336697.2311.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks George, This is a great topic. Keep 'em coming folks. BTW,,, Speaking about great engine buying/selling deals,,,, Sorry if I butcher this name,, Does anyone have a copy of the email that Sheelin Prinzinger wrote about how her husband bought an engine with just two words? I lost that email when my WebTv email got dumped. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jan 23 16:21:29 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:21:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell --- THANKS GEORGE !!! In-Reply-To: <336697.2311.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <336697.2311.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4797DA09.3020200@scrtc.com> Sorry this is so long. I've told this story before but for some of our newer members, here it is again. A good friend of mine (now gone) O.B. Malloy of TX, used to travel the country side hunting for old iron. He would stop at stores, barbershops and other places and would leave a calling card. He stopped once at a store and went to a table where some gents were sitting. He asked them if they knew where there were any old engines like the one on his card. One of the gents said yes, he had worked a construction job in west TX and had to pick up some items at one of the local worker's home and saw an old engine the guy had in his barn. OB asked if he knew the person's name and the guy said he didn't but would call OB and let him know. About a week later the guy called OB and gave him a name and phone number. OB called the guy one evening, who lived about 400 miles away, and said he heard the guy had an old engine. The guy said yes, he did and he recently dragged it out of the barn and it was now sitting behind his shop. OB asked if the guy wanted to sell it. Yes he did. How much OB asked? $100 the guy told him. OB asked if the guy knew what kind of engine it was. The guy said he didn't but it had a brass tag on it and if OB would call back in 15 minutes he could tell OB what it said. OB called back and the guy said "It says Springfield Gas Engine, Type A, 4 HP". The guy asked if OB was still interested. OB said yes. The guy told him to stop by the next time he was in far west TX and if he still had the engine OB could look at it. OB hung up and told his wife he was headed to west TX. The next morning when the guy walked out of his house, OB was sitting in his driveway. OB told him he was the guy who had chatted with him the night before. The guy showed OB the engine and then told OB that if OB had driven all night to get the engine, he knew it was worth a lot more than $100. He told OB he would need to do some research on what the engine was actually worth and and would decide on a price. He told OB he would have the first chance to purchase it. OB was distraught. He asked the guy repeatedly to sell him the engine and the guy told him he would in due time. OB finally asked the guy to please put a price on it as OB had drive all this way to see it. The guy said $500. OB knew that if he jumped and said OK the guy would probably run him off. OB said he got in his truck and told the guy thanks but the engine just wasn't worth that to him. OB said he could feel the sweat popping out on his forehead as he put the truck in reverse. He backed up about 50 feet and the guy hollered and said "what would you give". OB pulled back up and told him $300. The guy said no but he would split it at $400. OB hum hawed around for about 30 minutes and finally agreed to the price. OB told me this story shortly after he got the engine. Its still owned by a collector in TX. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alan Bowen wrote: >Thanks George, >This is a great topic. > >Keep 'em coming folks. > > > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jan 23 17:53:14 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:53:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47976F1F.3080708@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00c501c85e2b$e23dba40$726f4b47@mikecomp> If we can get Steve to part with his share of "the Royster Oil fortune" I will bring a sack of money for that Aeromotor!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > George, > Many many years ago I took a 1960 MGA to its first antique car show > after finishing a 7 year restoration on it. A neurosurgeon was parked > beside me and asked what I wanted for it. I named a then insane amount > of money for it figuring I would run him off. Same story, he whipped out > his checkbook and wrote me a deposit. He came up the following weekend > w/ trailer and paid me in full. Yeah it was a little tough seeing it go > down the road, but I bought a nice 21' Cobalt boat with the funds, and > truthfully we've enjoyed the boat more thru the years that we ever would > have the MGA. > Here is a photo: > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Best, George wrote: >> Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high >> price and had the buyer accept your price? >> >> George >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Wed Jan 23 19:17:44 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:17:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <00c501c85e2b$e23dba40$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <20080123221744.PGGV0.392754.root@fepweb03> After high school I started gathering parts to build my 57 Chevy. I ended up with 2 Muncie 4 speeds. Offered one to a guy for $150, he asked about the other. I told him I was keeping that one for my car. He kept offering more money, got to $300, I wouldn't sell, he never bought the other one. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From JR504 at aol.com Wed Jan 23 20:18:22 2008 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:18:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell Message-ID: We had a couple of guys stop by to buy our '59 DeSoto. 43,000 Original Miles. It was not for sale. The same guys showed up a couple of days later, with a tow truck, and quickly made off with it. It was never recovered. I'd love to have that car today. Joe In a message dated 1/23/2008 11:45:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: George, Many many years ago I took a 1960 MGA to its first antique car show after finishing a 7 year restoration on it. A neurosurgeon was parked beside me and asked what I wanted for it. I named a then insane amount of money for it figuring I would run him off. Same story, he whipped out his checkbook and wrote me a deposit. He came up the following weekend w/ trailer and paid me in full. Yeah it was a little tough seeing it go down the road, but I bought a nice 21' Cobalt boat with the funds, and truthfully we've enjoyed the boat more thru the years that we ever would have the MGA. Here is a photo: Curt Holland Gastonia, NC "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" Henry Ford **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From kimmell at verizon.net Wed Jan 23 20:44:51 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:44:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <002401c85df1$4420c940$3464a8c0@Eagle> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com> <1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002401c85df1$4420c940$3464a8c0@Eagle> Message-ID: <0JV4002CPSJB46E2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> A couple years ago I bought a 1978 Chevy Impala out of the local trader paper. On the way home, I stopped at a gas station to get lunch. I had forgotten to take the FOR SALE sign out of the back window and a couple "homies" pulled up in another '78 just like it and asked how much I was selling it for. Just as a joke, I said "$1500" and quicker than shit he counted out 15 $100 bills. Not bad, considering I had just paid $300 for it an hour earlier...... -- Tony Kimmell Bloomington, IL From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Wed Jan 23 21:13:26 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:13:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002401c85df1$4420c940$3464a8c0@Eagle> <0JV4002CPSJB46E2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <002f01c85e47$e0f59920$6b75a8c0@PaulLaptop> Best one so far :)))) Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell >A couple years ago I bought a 1978 Chevy Impala out of the local > trader paper. On the way home, I stopped at a gas station to get > lunch. I had forgotten to take the FOR SALE sign out of the back > window and a couple "homies" pulled up in another '78 just like it > and asked how much I was selling it for. Just as a joke, I said > "$1500" and quicker than shit he counted out 15 $100 bills. > > Not bad, considering I had just paid $300 for it an hour earlier...... > > -- > Tony Kimmell > Bloomington, IL > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 23 22:12:21 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:12:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080124061211.JCUU28642.oaamta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Dad spent 9 years (and the parts from 17 cars) restoring the Station Wagon so it meant a lot to him. It is still the only AR Station Wagon in Australia so getting together another one would have been a challenge. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2008 9:27 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell Patrick: I think I woulda done writ $500,000 on the check and, after going to the bank with, would have escorted him to the courthouse to transfer it. THEN, I woulda gone out and bought another one for less than 1/10th of that. Woulda had most of the money and an AR! I also coulda lied and said that the replacement was the "family heirloom". :-) Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 02:33 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > > > In 1979 we were at a Vintage & Veteran car rally > in Western Australia with > my Father's 1928 Ford AR Station Wagon. > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/Graphics/Woody.JPG > > A gentleman we knew to be a multi-millionaire > wanted to desperately buy the > car. He handed over a blank cheque and said > 'write your own figure on it!' > Dad politely said 'no, it is not for sale'. The > Station Wagon was his pride > and joy and we still have the car. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 23 22:23:59 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:23:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <20080123123637.WGSY16091.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080123123637.WGSY16091.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <81EBAC330FF14A2DAE0E5B2FC1E12A9C@KerryPC> G'Day Patrick My engine is not "Sticky" Brock wipped it all off with his shirt > Have you found a way to coat the lamp with black, sticky oil just like the > engine? ;) Kerry From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jan 23 22:32:46 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:32:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Rick here you go mate: I was travellin' West a buckskin on my way to a cattle run Cross a little cactus desert under a hot blisterin' sun I was thirsty down to my toenails, stopped to rest me on a stump But I tell ya I just couldn't believe it when I saw that water pump I took it to be a mirage at first, it'll fool a thirsty man Then I saw a note stuck in a bakin' powder can "This pump is old", the note began, "but she works so give'r a try" "I put a new sucker washer in 'er, you may find the leather dry" "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" "Yeah, you'll have to prime the pump, work that handle like there's a fire" "Under that rock you'll find some water I left in a bitters jar" "Now there's just enough to prime it with so dontcha go drinkin' first" "You just pour it in and pump like mad, buddy, you'll quench your thirst" "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" Well I found that jar and I tell ya nothin' was ever prettier to my eye And I was tempted strong to drink it, cuz that pump looked mighty dry But the note went on "have faith my friend, there's water down below" "You got to give until you get-I'm the one who ought to know" So I poured in the jar and I started pumpin' and I heard a beautiful sound Of water bubblin' and splashin' up outta that hole in the ground I took off my shoes and I drunk my fill of that cool refreshing treat I thank the Lord and thank the pump and I thank old Desert Pete "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" >> OK I'll bite. >> >> What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this >> instance? >> >> And what would these be called? >> >> > http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg > > Years ago we called'em "Sucker Washers." I wouldn't doubt that Arnie > called'em SUCKer, Squeeze washers as it makes more sense. > > There was a song many years ago about Desert Pete who kept a bottle of > water next to a pump out in the Desert. > > "Wash yer hands, cool yer feet, but leave the bottle full for others, > thank ya kindly Desert Pete. That's all I remember from it, and of course > had to do with priming. > > I wouldn't doubt that the list couldn't find that old song. > > Hoping your day is warmer than mine!! > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Jan 23 22:12:37 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:12:37 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <002b01c85da7$1e9e6dc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <027c01c85e5b$5d09b010$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter i collect old kerosine gear and many of the washers have perished would be happy to make up new washers if you could give me some tips on how to make up new ones . The local pump merchant will make them up if i send the parts in but would rather make my own as i have various models that need different cup/bucket washers the other thing that may be of interest is that they also make copper head gaskets for engines/pumps for those that may be needing them esp older machines so worth conrtacting these guys you will be surprised what they can make in the gasket line brent rth kl regards brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp > None ......depends what school you went to.I find making my own quite > satisfactory ,a bit hard to find the leather. > The ones you can buy from hydraulic equipment suppliers are a bit too hard > ,in fact much too hard. > Possibly get a smart arse response here! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp > > > > OK I'll bite. > > > > What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this > > instance? > > > > And what would these be called? > > > >> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg > > > > Al Harris > > Clarence Coast > > New South Wales > > Australia > > > > > > Michael Young wrote: > >> Hi Kerry, I have used leather "buckets" from pumps that you can buy in > >> various sizes at a farm supplies and (probably) irrigation supply places. > >> > >> Michael Young > >> 5 Beech Crescent > >> Orange NSW 2800 > >> AUSTRALIA > >> http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Kerry" > >> To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM > >> Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp > >> > >> > >>> G'day Oz > >>> > >>> Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus > >>> lamp > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Kerry > >>> > >>> Lithgow NSW Oz > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Jan 23 22:21:06 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:21:06 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <002b01c85da7$1e9e6dc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <47972192.5080301@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <027e01c85e5b$63b91d10$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Jack good suggestion i did try that but the washer didnt set worked temporarily then lost its shape so am happy to try maybe thicker leather would prefer to make own if i can. brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Watson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp > peter ogborne wrote: > > None ......depends what school you went to.I find making my own quite > > satisfactory ,a bit hard to find the leather. > > The ones you can buy from hydraulic equipment suppliers are a bit too hard > > ,in fact much too hard. > === > Always used to be called "pump buckets" in my kneck of the kwoods. > (Western Qld) > > My father used to make them out of the nice thin leather from old boot > or shoe tongues, annointed with neatsfoot oil, and shaped round a bit of > wood, probably the end of an old broomstick that happened to be the > correct diameter. I'm sure he never bought a new one in his life. > > And the young people of today think they invented "recycling"! Pshw! ( I > can say it even if I can't spell it) > > Jack > === > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From alharris44 at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 23:40:16 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:40:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <479840E0.8070400@gmail.com> Modern version. I'm to old and sore of rump, To prime and hump a bloody pump. So off I go to search the dump, To resurrect a windmill pump. I'll fit a leather bucket or cup, The water, for to SUCK'er up. A self-primer too, pretty shrewd, Ya hav'ta be buddy, mate, pal, dude. Cause ya just can't trust every man, To leave primin' water in the can. Al Harris Clarence Coast New South Wales Australia Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Rick > > here you go mate: > > I was travellin' West a buckskin on my way to a cattle run > Cross a little cactus desert under a hot blisterin' sun > I was thirsty down to my toenails, stopped to rest me on a stump > But I tell ya I just couldn't believe it when I saw that water pump > I took it to be a mirage at first, it'll fool a thirsty man > Then I saw a note stuck in a bakin' powder can > "This pump is old", the note began, "but she works so give'r a try" > "I put a new sucker washer in 'er, you may find the leather dry" > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > "Yeah, you'll have to prime the pump, work that handle like there's a fire" > "Under that rock you'll find some water I left in a bitters jar" > "Now there's just enough to prime it with so dontcha go drinkin' first" > "You just pour it in and pump like mad, buddy, you'll quench your thirst" > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > Well I found that jar and I tell ya nothin' was ever prettier to my eye > And I was tempted strong to drink it, cuz that pump looked mighty dry > But the note went on "have faith my friend, there's water down below" > "You got to give until you get-I'm the one who ought to know" > So I poured in the jar and I started pumpin' and I heard a beautiful sound > Of water bubblin' and splashin' up outta that hole in the ground > I took off my shoes and I drunk my fill of that cool refreshing treat > I thank the Lord and thank the pump and I thank old Desert Pete > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > >>> OK I'll bite. >>> >>> What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this >>> instance? >>> >>> And what would these be called? >>> >>>> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg >> Years ago we called'em "Sucker Washers." I wouldn't doubt that Arnie >> called'em SUCKer, Squeeze washers as it makes more sense. >> >> There was a song many years ago about Desert Pete who kept a bottle of >> water next to a pump out in the Desert. >> >> "Wash yer hands, cool yer feet, but leave the bottle full for others, >> thank ya kindly Desert Pete. That's all I remember from it, and of course >> had to do with priming. >> >> I wouldn't doubt that the list couldn't find that old song. >> >> Hoping your day is warmer than mine!! >> >> RickinMt. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Jan 24 01:28:58 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:28:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <003601c85da5$abf18ba0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001801c85e6b$8c9955f0$0301a8c0@Young1203> yep - the sameMichael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp >I would hazard at a guess Al, the same thing mate. > I call them cups. > Peter, Oz > > > > > >> OK I'll bite. >> >> What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this >> instance? >> >> And what would these be called? >> >>> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg >> >> Al Harris >> Clarence Coast >> New South Wales >> Australia >> >> >> Michael Young wrote: >>> Hi Kerry, I have used leather "buckets" from pumps that you can buy in >>> various sizes at a farm supplies and (probably) irrigation supply >>> places. >>> >>> Michael Young >>> 5 Beech Crescent >>> Orange NSW 2800 >>> AUSTRALIA >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kerry" >>> To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp >>> >>> >>>> G'day Oz >>>> >>>> Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus >>>> lamp >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Kerry >>>> >>>> Lithgow NSW Oz >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Jan 24 02:54:20 2008 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:54:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <20080123123637.WGSY16091.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <81EBAC330FF14A2DAE0E5B2FC1E12A9C@KerryPC> Message-ID: <003a01c85e77$79cf5850$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> G'Day Kerry It is sticky, I know. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp > G'Day Patrick > > My engine is not "Sticky" > Brock wipped it all off with his shirt > > >> Have you found a way to coat the lamp with black, sticky oil just like >> the >> engine? ;) > > > > Kerry > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jan 24 02:53:29 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:53:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: Thanks Peter..that be the one. Kingston Trio is all I found. Al, I like yours also. Re: the sucker washer, on my blowtorches, I do exactly what Jerry stated. This is another place a hole punch comes in handy. I try not to use motor oils on the leather and either go with Neatsfoot or vegetable oil. As the guy on the radio says; "Grab yer tools, you can do this stuff." :-) Regards, Rickinthefrozennorth > Hi Rick > > here you go mate: > > I was travellin' West a buckskin on my way to a cattle run > Cross a little cactus desert under a hot blisterin' sun > I was thirsty down to my toenails, stopped to rest me on a stump > But I tell ya I just couldn't believe it when I saw that water pump > I took it to be a mirage at first, it'll fool a thirsty man > Then I saw a note stuck in a bakin' powder can > "This pump is old", the note began, "but she works so give'r a try" > "I put a new sucker washer in 'er, you may find the leather dry" > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > "Yeah, you'll have to prime the pump, work that handle like there's a > fire" > "Under that rock you'll find some water I left in a bitters jar" > "Now there's just enough to prime it with so dontcha go drinkin' first" > "You just pour it in and pump like mad, buddy, you'll quench your thirst" > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > Well I found that jar and I tell ya nothin' was ever prettier to my eye > And I was tempted strong to drink it, cuz that pump looked mighty dry > But the note went on "have faith my friend, there's water down below" > "You got to give until you get-I'm the one who ought to know" > So I poured in the jar and I started pumpin' and I heard a beautiful sound > Of water bubblin' and splashin' up outta that hole in the ground > I took off my shoes and I drunk my fill of that cool refreshing treat > I thank the Lord and thank the pump and I thank old Desert Pete > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > From alharris44 at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 04:12:34 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:12:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <479880B2.5010400@gmail.com> > http://www.unf.edu/public/cot3210/ree/kingston.desert.pete.mp3 Here ya go Rick. Al Harris Richard Strobel wrote: > Thanks Peter..that be the one. Kingston Trio is all I found. Al, I like > yours also. From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jan 24 06:37:50 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:37:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: Peter: Neat lyrics! I try to live my life that way. After looking for it for years, I found the Kingston Trio album with "Desert Pete" on it. After I got it at a flea market, I discovered that there were two records in the sleeve. The bad news is that, even though the records were new, there was very high surface noise on them, leading me to believe that either they were defective from the pressing plant or were counterfeits. At least, now I've got the song. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:33 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have > faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're > worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your > face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You > kindly, Desert Pete" > > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your > face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You > kindly, Desert Pete" From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jan 24 08:37:56 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:37:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O/T Desert Pete References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> <479880B2.5010400@gmail.com> Message-ID: By golly if that download didn't work Al. I had the chorus down but was lost on the other. Another good song that's locked in my head now is: "Reverand Mr. Black," possibly by the Kingston Trio also. I truly miss those good ole ballads by the Trio, New Christy Minstrels and such. Any of you folks got a favorite out there? Well back to some snowplowin'..Ka ching, Ka ching ya know. Thanks very much Al!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rick > > http://www.unf.edu/public/cot3210/ree/kingston.desert.pete.mp3 > > Here ya go Rick. > > Al Harris From alharris44 at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 11:24:42 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:24:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] O/T Desert Pete In-Reply-To: References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> <479880B2.5010400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4798E5FA.4000300@gmail.com> Hey. We're mending levees and ploughing dust Down Under here. Do you Google? 'cause mate, I got chores to do too. :-P > http://music.ronet.ru/kingston/kingston_trio-reverend_mr_black.mp3 BTW "Turn Around" and "Tom Dooley" are their most remembered by moi. Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW Australia Richard Strobel wrote: > By golly if that download didn't work Al. I had the chorus down but was > lost on the other. Another good song that's locked in my head now is: > "Reverand Mr. Black," possibly by the Kingston Trio also. I truly miss > those good ole ballads by the Trio, New Christy Minstrels and such. Any of > you folks got a favorite out there? > > Well back to some snowplowin'..Ka ching, Ka ching ya know. > > Thanks very much Al!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Rick > > > > >>> http://www.unf.edu/public/cot3210/ree/kingston.desert.pete.mp3 >> Here ya go Rick. >> >> Al Harris > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jan 24 18:59:14 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:59:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <479840E0.8070400@gmail.com> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> <479840E0.8070400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201229954.479950821ac2c@webmail.city-net.com> BLOODY AWESOME!! Well done Al!! Quoting Al Harris : > Modern version. > > I'm to old and sore of rump, > To prime and hump a bloody pump. > So off I go to search the dump, > To resurrect a windmill pump. > I'll fit a leather bucket or cup, > The water, for to SUCK'er up. > A self-primer too, pretty shrewd, > Ya hav'ta be buddy, mate, pal, dude. > Cause ya just can't trust every man, > To leave primin' water in the can. > > Al Harris > Clarence Coast > New South Wales > Australia From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Jan 24 19:45:49 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:45:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell Message-ID: <20080125034557.92334584CD@gw1.nlenet.net> My wife and I left a bible study and drove down a back road we had never been on before. We passed a piece of land so beautiful we stopped and stared. I remembered my dad saying a realtor told him 1/3 of all homes and land are for sale if you just ask. My wife thought I had lost it but I wrote down the name on the posted sign and looked it up in the phone book. A woman answered, and when I asked for the man she asked why. I told her that I saw the land and thought I would check to see if it might be for sale. There was a long pause and she said The owner was my husband, he died yesterday. I apologized and told her I had no idea but given the circumstances I was sorry I called and said goodbye. She asked if I would like to leave my name and I said no, I was out of line and would just go away. She said it was clear I didn't know and go ahead and leave my name. A few weeks later we settled on a price and made a private deal and I bought it. The following spring I was mowing the lawn and a man stopped and asked me who I was, I told him and he asked why I was mowing THIS lawn. I told him because it was mine and it needed it. He said I called that man every spring and offered to buy this land and he said he would never sell it as long as he was alive. I replied He died We live there now. Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jan 24 20:09:13 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:09:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O/T Desert Pete In-Reply-To: References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> <479880B2.5010400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201234153.479960e9e6cd0@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rick, I'm kinda partial to "The Sky Above, The Mud Below". So far all I can find are the lyrics, not a version being sung. 8-(( http://www.wylieww.com/hooves/skyabove.htm See ya, Arnie Quoting Richard Strobel : > By golly if that download didn't work Al. I had the chorus down but was > lost on the other. Another good song that's locked in my head now is: > "Reverand Mr. Black," possibly by the Kingston Trio also. I truly miss > those good ole ballads by the Trio, New Christy Minstrels and such. Any of > you folks got a favorite out there? From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jan 24 20:12:19 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:12:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Deasert Pete In-Reply-To: <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <1201234339.479961a3049e7@webmail.city-net.com> Bloody hell!! How does an Aussie end up being familiar with the Kingston Trio and Deasert Pete???? See ya, Arnie Quoting Peter Lowe : > I was travellin' West a buckskin on my way to a cattle run > Cross a little cactus desert under a hot blisterin' sun > I was thirsty down to my toenails, stopped to rest me on a stump From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jan 24 22:36:07 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:36:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell References: <20080125034557.92334584CD@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <001801c85f1d$5d648c20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi Frank. That is a great story. Our tale is similar. We used to own 8 acres, that we bought when we moved here from Tasmania. Our kids, (and their friends,) grew up with space to play and do bike things, etc. When they moved out, we looked for a smaller place. After seeing countless properties, We happened on this place we now live. It was totally unlike what we were'Looking for', but, it was 'Right'! We have lived here longer than any other home. It is still 'as good as it gets'. I aim to leave here 'Feet First'. No 'View', nothing special, but, it IS MY HOME! Hey, Who is lucky?? ME! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > My wife and I left a bible study and drove down a back road we had > never been on before. We passed a piece of land so beautiful we > stopped and stared. I remembered my dad saying a realtor told him > 1/3 of all homes and land are for sale if you just ask. My wife > thought I had lost it but I wrote down the name on the posted sign > and looked it up in the phone book. A woman answered, and when I > asked for the man she asked why. I told her that I saw the land and > thought I would check to see if it might be for sale. There was a > long pause and she said The owner was my husband, he died > yesterday. I apologized and told her I had no idea but given the > circumstances I was sorry I called and said goodbye. She asked if I > would like to leave my name and I said no, I was out of line and > would just go away. She said it was clear I didn't know and go ahead > and leave my name. A few weeks later we settled on a price and made > a private deal and I bought it. The following spring I was mowing > the lawn and a man stopped and asked me who I was, I told him and he > asked why I was mowing THIS lawn. I told him because it was mine and > it needed it. He said I called that man every spring and offered to > buy this land and he said he would never sell it as long as he was > alive. I replied He died > > We live there now. > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Jan 25 02:11:31 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:11:31 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell References: <20080125034557.92334584CD@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <00dc01c85f3a$a8f74b60$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Frank amazing story i enjoyed reading it good things happen to good people thanks brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > My wife and I left a bible study and drove down a back road we had > never been on before. We passed a piece of land so beautiful we > stopped and stared. I remembered my dad saying a realtor told him > 1/3 of all homes and land are for sale if you just ask. My wife > thought I had lost it but I wrote down the name on the posted sign > and looked it up in the phone book. A woman answered, and when I > asked for the man she asked why. I told her that I saw the land and > thought I would check to see if it might be for sale. There was a > long pause and she said The owner was my husband, he died > yesterday. I apologized and told her I had no idea but given the > circumstances I was sorry I called and said goodbye. She asked if I > would like to leave my name and I said no, I was out of line and > would just go away. She said it was clear I didn't know and go ahead > and leave my name. A few weeks later we settled on a price and made > a private deal and I bought it. The following spring I was mowing > the lawn and a man stopped and asked me who I was, I told him and he > asked why I was mowing THIS lawn. I told him because it was mine and > it needed it. He said I called that man every spring and offered to > buy this land and he said he would never sell it as long as he was > alive. I replied He died > > We live there now. > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From brock at netspeed.com.au Fri Jan 25 05:04:01 2008 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:04:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp Message-ID: <4799de41.3e2.3149.576882848@netspeed.com.au> yeah i know ,,,,, good old Austral if you are clean 10 mins with a austral are covered in shit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:23:59 +1100 > G'Day Patrick > > My engine is not "Sticky" > Brock wipped it all off with his shirt > > > > Have you found a way to coat the lamp with black, sticky > > oil just like the engine? ;) > > > > Kerry > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 25 10:19:47 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:19:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Does anyone have a manual for a Ransomes MG2 Motor Garden Cultivator. (Please don't refer me to my own download page the manual there is for the MG5) This is the small tracked garden tractor made by Ransomes from around 1936. It was powered by a Sturmey Archer 6H.P. air cooled engine. In 1938 they changed the engine to an improved Sturmey Archer engine (most noticeable difference was the Wipac Impulse magneto). It is this model I'm looking for a manual or help for. My mate, Justin (no internet) has been given one that is pretty rusted and has not run for 30+ years! He is busy stripping it but needs help on the centrifugal clutch between the engine and gearbox. This is so badly corroded that he would like to find a drawing or photo of the internals before he tries to get it apart - just so that he can see what it looks like before using force :-). The tractor is a really nice example of these and the MG2 is fairly uncommon. The serial number of his is MG 404 which is a pretty early model considering that the eventual production of these was about 30,000 machines. This was probably made just before the 2nd World War and was probably one of a batch shipped out here - I do not think that any would have been shipped here again until after the war. Justin gives me a lot of help with all my restorations so I'd be very happy if I could find this information for him. Thanks in advance Guys. If anyone here belongs to any of the tractor lists or forums (I don't) would you mind copying this over to them. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 25/01/2008 11:24 AM From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Jan 25 10:48:59 2008 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:48:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20080125034557.92334584CD@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080125034557.92334584CD@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <479A2F1B.5030908@fidnet.com> Frank, Our story is similar. In 1986 we were looking for property with friend who is a real estate broker. After showing us several properties he said "I want to show you a 1,000 Acre property that I have listed. The owner has steadfastly refused to sell off smaller parts of it." We liked it and made an offer on the part we wanted. It was refused so we made an offer on a larger piece and the owner accepted. We then sold off the part that we didn't want. We found out later that the banker was pushing for interest payments on his loan, and that his partners in a new venture caught him with his hand in the till and kindly explained what would happen to him if the money were not replaced by the end of the month. The rest of the ranch was on the market for a long time. We were the only ones to buy a piece of it. We held the property for 15 yrs until we could retire on it. We have been living here nearly 7 years. Sometimes you just have to ask. Life is good! Gary Frank DeWitt wrote: > My wife and I left a bible study and drove down a back road we had > never been on before. We passed a piece of land so beautiful we > stopped and stared. I remembered my dad saying a realtor told him > 1/3 of all homes and land are for sale if you just ask. My wife > thought I had lost it but I wrote down the name on the posted sign > and looked it up in the phone book. A woman answered, and when I > asked for the man she asked why. I told her that I saw the land and > thought I would check to see if it might be for sale. There was a > long pause and she said The owner was my husband, he died > yesterday. I apologized and told her I had no idea but given the > circumstances I was sorry I called and said goodbye. She asked if I > would like to leave my name and I said no, I was out of line and > would just go away. She said it was clear I didn't know and go ahead > and leave my name. A few weeks later we settled on a price and made > a private deal and I bought it. The following spring I was mowing > the lawn and a man stopped and asked me who I was, I told him and he > asked why I was mowing THIS lawn. I told him because it was mine and > it needed it. He said I called that man every spring and offered to > buy this land and he said he would never sell it as long as he was > alive. I replied He died > > We live there now. > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From nick at holden1.net Fri Jan 25 12:10:05 2008 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:10:05 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <479A421D.000001.04132@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Jerry Have just put it on the tractor list Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Jerry Evans Date: 01/25/08 18:26:45 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. Hi All, Does anyone have a manual for a Ransomes MG2 Motor Garden Cultivator. (Please don't refer me to my own download page the manual there is for the MG5) This is the small tracked garden tractor made by Ransomes from around 1936. It was powered by a Sturmey Archer 6H.P. air cooled engine. In 1938 they changed the engine to an improved Sturmey Archer engine (most noticeable difference was the Wipac Impulse magneto). It is this model I'm looking for a manual or help for. My mate, Justin (no internet) has been given one that is pretty rusted and has not run for 30+ years! He is busy stripping it but needs help on the centrifugal clutch between the engine and gearbox. This is so badly corroded that he would like to find a drawing or photo of the internals before he tries to get it apart - just so that he can see what it looks like before using force :-). The tractor is a really nice example of these and the MG2 is fairly uncommon. The serial number of his is MG 404 which is a pretty early model considering that the eventual production of these was about 30,000 machines. This was probably made just before the 2nd World War and was probably one of a batch shipped out here - I do not think that any would have been shipped here again until after the war. Justin gives me a lot of help with all my restorations so I'd be very happy if I could find this information for him. Thanks in advance Guys. If anyone here belongs to any of the tractor lists or forums (I don't) would you mind copying this over to them. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 25/01/2008 11:24 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 25/01/2008 11:24 . From weolson at wiktel.com Fri Jan 25 12:16:56 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:16:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <745606869.20080125141656@wiktel.com> Hello Richard, Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 1:51:37 PM, you wrote: RS> Andy..look again at the spec sheet as it says 1-phase...also click on the RS> "wiring". I don't see any reason why you can't hook an earth ground to the RS> case of the motor. RS> Good Luck, RS> RickinMt. RS> ----- Original Message ----- RS> From: "Andy Glines" RS> To: RS> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:14 AM RS> Subject: Re: [SEL] 208V motor RS> _______________________________________________ RS> SEL mailing list RS> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com RS> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel For everyone's safety sake, and legally, you must have a seperate earth ground the case of the motor when running from utility power. -- Best regards, William, Master Electrician mailto:weolson at wiktel.com From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 13:39:27 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:39:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell Message-ID: "I aim to leave here 'Feet First'.No 'View', nothing special, but, it IS MY HOME!Hey, Who is lucky?? ME!Reg & Marg Ingold.Newcastle, NSW, Australia.randmingold at hotkey.net.auhttp://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold" Reg, ain't it amazing there are so many ways to look at what constitutes "home". After 30 years in the place I thought I'd be buried from, it just wasn't the same. The city had come out around us and it just wasn't fun anymore, no critters, no quiet, no stars at night. The way we got it now, if we don't like the view - we hitch and git. Yes, It'll get old someday, or I won't be able. Then we'll settle. We're looking at a good offer here in Texas, but not sure we're ready to quit yet - so we won't. The object was to look all over the country for the right place to drop anchor. If we're lucky, maybe we won't find one! Meantime - the journey is the destination.Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Jan 25 16:43:00 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:43:00 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <005c01c85fb4$6823d570$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Jerry cool i also do up old mowers just recently picked up a nice ransome mower with a crank start with a villier style moter one suggestion is to use electrolysis on the rusted parts as long as there is no alloy it will help to separate the parts i have done this with with extremely fragile parts on an old sewing machine made 1895 with excellent results all working again at least you can then salvage whats left or dissassemble to use as templates on replacement parts this has worked on other seriously seized metal parts that i ouldnt have dissassembled otherwise and the beauty is it is very quick and vertually harmless compared to other options washing soda or lye both work well brent nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. > Hi All, > Does anyone have a manual for a Ransomes MG2 Motor Garden > Cultivator. (Please don't refer me to my own download page the > manual there is for the MG5) > > This is the small tracked garden tractor made by Ransomes from > around 1936. It was powered by a Sturmey Archer 6H.P. air cooled engine. In > 1938 they changed the engine to an improved Sturmey Archer engine (most > noticeable difference was the Wipac Impulse magneto). It is this model I'm > looking for a manual or help for. > > My mate, Justin (no internet) has been given one that is pretty > rusted and has not run for 30+ years! He is busy stripping it but needs > help on the centrifugal clutch between the engine and gearbox. This is so > badly corroded that he would like to find a drawing or photo of the > internals before he tries to get it apart - just so that he can see what it > looks like before using force :-). > > The tractor is a really nice example of these and the MG2 is > fairly uncommon. The serial number of his is MG 404 which is a pretty > early model considering that the eventual production of these was about > 30,000 machines. This was probably made just before the 2nd World War and > was probably one of a batch shipped out here - I do not think that any > would have been shipped here again until after the war. > > Justin gives me a lot of help with all my restorations so I'd be > very happy if I could find this information for him. Thanks in advance Guys. > > If anyone here belongs to any of the tractor lists or forums (I > don't) would you mind copying this over to them. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 25/01/2008 11:24 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 25 17:07:01 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:07:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <005c01c85fb4$6823d570$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <005c01c85fb7$c2994e60$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> crank start with a villier style moter one suggestion is to use > electrolysis on the rusted parts as long as there is no alloy >>> Alloys are OK , reversing polarity is the big no-no From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 25 17:56:17 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:56:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. In-Reply-To: <005c01c85fb7$c2994e60$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <005c01c85fb4$6823d570$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <005c01c85fb7$c2994e60$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <93EB274B-EA8A-40ED-997D-03DC921FE834@rustyiron.com> On Jan 25, 2008, at 5:07 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Alloys are OK , reversing polarity is the big no-no Armadillo puckey, senior! http://engines.rustyiron.com/electrolysis From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Jan 25 18:15:48 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:15:48 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <005c01c85fb4$6823d570$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <005c01c85fb7$c2994e60$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <001701c85fc1$5efbdb70$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Chuck thanks for your comment for those wondering what is reverse polarity made me think myself when you mentioned it so when derusting something you have a positive and negative terminal or otherwise known as an anode or a cathode the negative is the terminal that removes the rust so that is the terminal you hook up to what you are derusting and the cathode is the terminal that receives the rust and sacrifices good metal to replace the rusted metal..so reverse polarity is where the alloy is sacrificed for the rusted metal. terminals are back to front .main thing to know is the negative terminal is the terminal to put the article that you wish to be derusted not the other way around .Although in saying that you can effectively use reverse polarity to creat patina on old metal if you wish to make the metal look older semi rusty etc believe it or not people do this mainly nuts and bolts if replacing as a new bolt doesnt look authentic on an old engine hope you dont mind me expanding on the subject for those that may be interested. As i am interested in old machinery am very keen to learn of methods of derusting i think i have used most of them now but electrolysis is one of the best options as it cleans removes paint and rust quickly all at the same time if you wish to keep the paint use a mollasas bath as it has no effect on paint important if you wish to keep things original just takes longer and better than sandblasting if the metal is thin.. brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. > > crank start with a villier style moter one suggestion is to use > > electrolysis on the rusted parts as long as there is no alloy >>> > > > Alloys are OK , reversing polarity is the big no-no > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Jan 25 18:17:01 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:17:01 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <005c01c85fb4$6823d570$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <005c01c85fb7$c2994e60$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <93EB274B-EA8A-40ED-997D-03DC921FE834@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <001d01c85fc1$924c9b40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Rob you bet me to the draw on that one brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. > On Jan 25, 2008, at 5:07 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > > Alloys are OK , reversing polarity is the big no-no > > Armadillo puckey, senior! > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/electrolysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From kimmell at verizon.net Fri Jan 25 21:41:54 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:41:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0JV800EELL2X8656@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> That's what's happening to a lot of people here in the Bloomington/Normal area. The Twin Cities are growing so fast that farmhouses are now in the middle of neighborhoods. I lived in the same house in Normal from birth until I moved out at 19. Used to be right on the edge of town. I'm now 25 and it's about 3 MILES to the city limits from that house. It's insane how fast this city is growing. But with all the big businesses that are based here like State Farm, Country Companies, Mitsubishi, Beer Nuts, etc. it's understandable why it's growing so much. Not to mention Illinois State University and Illinois Wesleyan University are also here. My wife and I now live in a quiet older subdivision here in Bloomington and it's a love hate relationship with me and the city. On one hand I'd rather own a piece of land out in the middle of nowhere with a big shop where I can do what I want, but on the other hand it's nice only having to drive a mere 3 miles to work from here. One of these days I'll find my dream home on 10+ acres out in the country, but for now my projects will have to remain confined to the 2 car attached garage... -- Tony Kimmell Bloomington, IL At 03:39 PM 1/25/2008, Bruce Younger wrote: >After 30 years in the place I thought I'd be buried from, it just >wasn't the same. The city had come out around us and it just wasn't >fun anymore, no critters, no quiet, no stars at night. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jan 26 11:31:24 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:31:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Off topic - but a good read Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080126212953.00b9ca50@mail.cyberserv.co.za> How many of us can recognise ourselves here? http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article09-208 Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 26/01/2008 03:45 PM From alharris44 at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 12:25:15 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:25:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Off topic - but a good read In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080126212953.00b9ca50@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080126212953.00b9ca50@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <479B972B.8010003@gmail.com> Jerry, wrong group, this is the SEL group, NOT, Good read anyhoo. ;-) Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW Australia Jerry Evans wrote: > How many of us can recognise ourselves here? > > http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article09-208 > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Sat Jan 26 21:40:30 2008 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:40:30 +0900 Subject: [SEL] THE NEW SHED & DOWERIN SHOW Message-ID: <000801c860a7$20abe400$f301a8c0@armstrong> Hello all. have a look at my new shed http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/THE%20SHED.htm and check out the dowerin show 2008 http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/DOWERIN%20SHOW%202007.htm Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jan 27 05:36:15 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:36:15 EST Subject: [SEL] THE NEW SHED & DOWERIN SHOW Message-ID: In a message dated 1/27/2008 12:45:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, k_armstrong at arach.net.au writes: have a look at my new shed Kevin, You must have really done a good job of cleaning the shed and equipment for your wife to use it to hang the towels/etc out to dry! Nice looking stuff in the shed! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From avanti_64 at juno.com Sun Jan 27 07:56:07 2008 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:56:07 GMT Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates updated Message-ID: <20080127.105607.5401.1@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Jerry Evans, can you contact me at jfk52 at tds.net Thanks,Joe Kelley _____________________________________________________________ Savor the flavor of delicious sea salt. Click and save now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifstBhnjEA0POMYAwJB5vRmR8Z5fG5wskFIWRq51afOHxPF7/ From George at irontrader.com Sun Jan 27 12:17:17 2008 From: George at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:17:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype Message-ID: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the service. George From alharris44 at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 13:46:55 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:46:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> Message-ID: <479CFBCF.7040407@gmail.com> Sorry George, using FWD (Free World Dialup). 639873 > http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ Cheers, Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW Australia George Best wrote: > I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. > > If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the service. > > George > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Jan 28 04:04:26 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:04:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype Message-ID: <012820081204.13986.479DC4C9000EBCD8000036A2219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> George, I am usually on every am from 5:00 to 7:00am (central time). Call name (curtandree1949) Hope to hear from you. Curt Andree McConnell, Ill. ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "George Best" To: Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:27:38 +0000 > I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. > > If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the > service. > > George > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From eallandar at rohrerbus.com Mon Jan 28 05:09:07 2008 From: eallandar at rohrerbus.com (Ed Allandar) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:09:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> Message-ID: <000301c861ae$f733a5a0$4700a8c0@Rohrer.lcl> George- If you didn't find anyone to help you out I'm on with Skye at work all day &:00 AM - 4:40 PM eastern time. Ed Allandar Service & Parts The Rohrer Companies P.O. Box 100 - 1515 State Road Duncannon, PA 17020 717.957.5114 717.418.4401 (c) 1-800-735-6700 x223 www.rohrerbus.com www.rohrerbussales.com eallandar at rohrerbus.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George Best Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:17 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the service. George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Mon Jan 28 10:34:40 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:34:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. I am not talking about current projects you're working on, but projects you started years ago and haven't worked on in at least a year or more. I am also not talking about project engines you've bought and haven't started work on. I'm interested in hearing what engine projects you've started and then for various reasons they have sat for over a year or more without any further work. Although I've many unfinished projects, I really only have a couple engine projects where I started work on the engine and then stopped working on it. I have an early 3hp F-M Z engine. It was complete when I got it and probably would have run with a little tinkering around with it. However, I took it apart and proceeded to clean and paint parts. It is still apart and it has probably been at least 8 years or more since I did anything with it. Although I'm not a great fan of 3hp Z engines, this one is kind of unique as it has an aftermarket EK Wico conversion to replace the plugoscillator. I suppose this engine got pushed to the side as to many other things were more interesting. My other unfinished project is the 5hp flutted hopper Aermotor. At least it is still in my shop and in a location where it should be worked on, but I've found it hard to find time to work on it as well. Basically just needs the fuel system hooked up and a few loose parts bolted back on. I keep telling myself it would only take a few days of work to get it running, but it still sits there unfinished. I've got a few other non-running engines that need a piece or two fixed or replaced, but I'm not even counting them. I think part of the problem is that every year I get something else which gets my attention and time, and the old projects just sit. Anyone else out there with the same problem? This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 10:46:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:46:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801281046p15f375fdk19a4e99fdcdfdf7f@mail.gmail.com> On 28/01/2008, Best, George wrote: > I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. > I think part of the problem is that every year I get something else > which gets my attention and time, and the old projects just sit. > > Anyone else out there with the same problem? Most of us! :-)) We were talking on the weekend about things that we wanted to get done this year, and about not taking on any new projects until we had knocked a bit of a hole in what was already outstanding, but where in h*ll do you start? We have a complete floor and roof to take off and rebuild on the house, that's been waiting 20 years or so, we have many years worth of Patents from the late 1800's to the early 1900's, all gas engine related, to scan and put on the website, there are four engine projects awaiting completion, and so on... Trouble is, things walk up to you and you cannot turn them away. There is at least one very large horizontal diesel that 'may' come our way this year, but it would probably be a massive undertaking to get it stripped and moved etc. Would we turn it down if offered? Would you?? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 28 11:20:59 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:20:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801281046p15f375fdk19a4e99fdcdfdf7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801281046p15f375fdk19a4e99fdcdfdf7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > we have many years worth of > Patents from the late 1800's to the early 1900's, all gas engine > related, > > Peter Good doG Peter, I knew that YOU were that old, but NO WAY that young thing that you bring to Portland with you can be old enough to hold any patents prior to the late 1980's! Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 11:29:07 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:29:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801281046p15f375fdk19a4e99fdcdfdf7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801281129s4d9ab530o9ecaa86815511d06@mail.gmail.com> On 28/01/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > > we have many years worth of > > Patents from the late 1800's to the early 1900's, all gas engine > > related, > > > > Peter > > Good doG Peter, I knew that YOU were that old, but NO WAY that young > thing that you bring to Portland with you can be old enough to hold > any patents prior to the late 1980's! > Dave Appearances deceive! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jan 28 13:17:44 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:17:44 EST Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects Message-ID: George, I have many unfinished projects, but the one I catch the most grief is my 1936 Buick, bought new by my Grandfather, all original and in running condition. The front end got in bad shape and would go in a violent shake driving down the road at times. I tore it partially apart and got my first gas engine. The rest is history and there it sits waiting on me to come back, and Millie lets me know I need to get back to it every so often too!! My grandfather should rise up and choke me as it was his pride and joy! Of course there is the 8 hp Olds, the 3 hp Novo, and some others too!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 28 18:36:06 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:36:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> I've got a small 2-man saw in the shop thats been there for a couple years but hasn't seen a wrench in close to a year. It was quite an undertaking to get it running but now that it does I really need to make a few parts and finish it up. Of course I started working on it 8-9 years ago. Does cleaning/organizing the shop itself count? I bought a label maker back in Dec. but have yet to get motivated to tackle making new labels for the bolt bin--or anything else for that matter. John Hall From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 28 18:59:04 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:59:04 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <027701c85e0f$22611fd0$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <027701c85e0f$22611fd0$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <479E9678.8070505@optusnet.com.au> Dave Ernst wrote: > At a hardware store parking lot in SoCal I once had a guy that wanted to > swap his new cadillac for my 1930 model A pickup.....I'm still driving the > pickup, dents and all. > Dave === Big feller, was he? Black cowboy hat, croaky gruff kind of voice? Seem to recall a chap named Johnny someone who had a Caddy of doubtful parentage he would have wanted to get rid of. Did it have two headlights on one side and one on the other? What was that song he sang about it, when he worked in the Caddy factory? Jack === From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Jan 28 19:20:03 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:20:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite Arizona show last weekend Message-ID: <20080128.192004.2012.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I just put up 34 pictures from the engine show at Quartzsite AZ last weekend. I put a few captions on things I knew. Be sure to check out # 32 and 33. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32636666&f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 28 19:40:08 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:40:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite Arizona show last weekend In-Reply-To: <20080128.192004.2012.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080128.192004.2012.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron. Great pictures! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:20 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. I just put up 34 pictures from the engine show at > Quartzsite AZ > last weekend. I put a few captions on things I knew. Be sure to > check > out # 32 and 33. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32636666&f=0 > > Ron Haskell From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jan 28 19:41:53 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:41:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <479EA081.6010508@scrtc.com> Hey folks, I have so many unfinished projects I couldn't list them all. On some, its as minor and mounting a gas tank or placing skids under an engine. On others it could be having a cylinder bored or repaired. On others it could be having something major done such having a cracked flywheel and needing one recast. My wife came up to the shop one day when I was tinkering and she said "you'll have to live to be a 100 to fix all this stuff up". I told her "thats the plan!". Tommy Turner John Hall wrote: > I've got a small 2-man saw in the shop thats been there for a couple years >but hasn't seen a wrench in close to a year. It was quite an undertaking to >get it running but now that it does I really need to make a few parts and >finish it up. Of course I started working on it 8-9 years ago. > > Does cleaning/organizing the shop itself count? I bought a label maker back >in Dec. but have yet to get motivated to tackle making new labels for the >bolt bin--or anything else for that matter. > >John Hall > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Jan 28 22:38:57 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:38:57 +1300 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> <479EA081.6010508@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <005501c86241$a0755720$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Good one Tommy i know exactly what you mean i am exactly the same the good thing is you will not get depressed wondering what you can do when you retire as many guys have only work as there main interest.how sads that. I am interested in restoration of anything old so have a range of things that i pick up that i want to restore i feel its a pity to lose these pieces of history even though others think they are junk. Tommy as long as you have an interest in what you do and enjoy your hobby i would say that is a good recipe for a long contented life...brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects > Hey folks, I have so many unfinished projects I couldn't list them all. > On some, its as minor and mounting a gas tank or placing skids under an > engine. On others it could be having a cylinder bored or repaired. On > others it could be having something major done such having a cracked > flywheel and needing one recast. My wife came up to the shop one day > when I was tinkering and she said "you'll have to live to be a 100 to > fix all this stuff up". I told her "thats the plan!". > > Tommy Turner > > > > > > John Hall wrote: > > > I've got a small 2-man saw in the shop thats been there for a couple years > >but hasn't seen a wrench in close to a year. It was quite an undertaking to > >get it running but now that it does I really need to make a few parts and > >finish it up. Of course I started working on it 8-9 years ago. > > > > Does cleaning/organizing the shop itself count? I bought a label maker back > >in Dec. but have yet to get motivated to tackle making new labels for the > >bolt bin--or anything else for that matter. > > > >John Hall > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Jan 28 22:55:19 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:55:19 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801281046p15f375fdk19a4e99fdcdfdf7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c86243$eade7ec0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter the patents you have sound interesting its amazing what ideas they came up with back then. brent --- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects > > we have many years worth of > > Patents from the late 1800's to the early 1900's, all gas engine > > related, > > > > Peter > > Good doG Peter, I knew that YOU were that old, but NO WAY that young > thing that you bring to Portland with you can be old enough to hold > any patents prior to the late 1980's! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Jan 28 23:01:05 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:01:05 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801281046p15f375fdk19a4e99fdcdfdf7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001301c86244$b872f960$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter i agree if its offered best take it rather than go to the scrap man ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects > On 28/01/2008, Best, George wrote: > > I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. > > > I think part of the problem is that every year I get something else > > which gets my attention and time, and the old projects just sit. > > > > Anyone else out there with the same problem? > > Most of us! :-)) > > We were talking on the weekend about things that we wanted to get done > this year, and about not taking on any new projects until we had > knocked a bit of a hole in what was already outstanding, but where in > h*ll do you start? > > We have a complete floor and roof to take off and rebuild on the > house, that's been waiting 20 years or so, we have many years worth of > Patents from the late 1800's to the early 1900's, all gas engine > related, to scan and put on the website, there are four engine > projects awaiting completion, and so on... > > Trouble is, things walk up to you and you cannot turn them away. > > There is at least one very large horizontal diesel that 'may' come our > way this year, but it would probably be a massive undertaking to get > it stripped and moved etc. Would we turn it down if offered? Would > you?? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jan 29 05:34:29 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:34:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> George, Several have told of unfinished car stories. Hmmm Kelley hasn't piped up! Yeah I'm guilty of the same. I started on this '69 MGBGT many years ago. I think is was before Devin was born. Then I got into a house restoration and then into engines. The project got pushed further and further back. I had planned to get it on the road last summer when the gas prices started to run up. But then Devin's WO Jeep project took priority. I have a 3 1/2HP Jaeger taken apart for several years. Same with a 3 1/2HP Hercules. I did get the cylinder bored and made patterns and cast a new piston. This fall I finish machined the oversize piston. But it still sits in pieces. Engines are on hold a while 'till the Jeep is finished. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Best, George wrote: > I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. > > From johnculp at btes.tv Tue Jan 29 05:37:54 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:37:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Unfinished projects? All of them. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 29 07:02:09 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:02:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John: I figger that when I have finished all of my projects, It'll be time to die. Best reason for a junky shop! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 07:38 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects > > > Unfinished projects? > > All of them. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Tue Jan 29 05:59:34 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:59:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <008001c8627f$2dc47ec0$6601a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:34 AM Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. I am not talking about current projects you're working on, but projects you started years ago and haven't worked on in at least a year or more. I am also not talking about project engines you've bought and haven't started work on. I'm interested in hearing what engine projects you've started and then for various reasons they have sat for over a year or more without any further work. I've got a Holt 45 that came off a combine. It is not stuck but is tight in the crank or rod bearings. It sat inside of my shop and stayed warm for the better part of 5 years, got looked at alot and tinkered with a couple of times. Finally moved it out last fall and put it to bed in the far end of the cold part of the shop building..... Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jan 29 06:18:12 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:18:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: > I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. Howdy George and all' I almost had my shed finished when the old iron bug bit. I could park a CAT-12 in the main shop, square dance in the wood shop, and if the motorhome was out, I could see the entire floor. For the past two months I have been trying to find the floor in the main shop and it's showing some progress. Wood shop floor is still there, I think, same with the motorhome storage. It now houses the Economy, Gal sawrig, another Economy, 4hp Famous, 2-1/4 Gal, Universal Dynamo, a saltblock, small Goulds pump and a base for a large old drillpress. I won't even go into what's in the Wood Shop and Main Shop. Started and put on the back burner includes; IHC Grain Binder 4-1/2 New Way...Need mixer btw. 1-3/4 Economy dragsaw...didn't really start that one ~10hp Wachs steam engine and boiler on skid. Needs crankshaft work. An Ice Plow almost done..need to order the handles. A door to the $hitter would be nice, also a door between the woodshop and main shop. Today's priority is find out why water is coming up my floor drains. This could prove interesting as it's not connected to the septic system....THANK GAWD!!! Well that's not too bad..ooopss forgot about the Fordson Trackson. Anyone got a RESTORED Fordson for sale?? on steel? Maybe I'll just stay in the house today...It's cold out there :-) Did apply for my social security yesterday so there's a little more mad money plus what I make plowing out the neighbors. Will go to Rollag steam school, father's day weekend..I'm looking for a good motel gang...as I've never been there. Enough fer now, RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jan 29 06:52:18 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:52:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <479EA081.6010508@scrtc.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> <479EA081.6010508@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6BB43C19-129D-4978-AC58-44046C891B4E@alltel.net> On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > My wife came up to the shop one day > when I was tinkering and she said "you'll have to live to be a 100 to > fix all this stuff up". I told her "thats the plan!". > > Tommy Turner Arnie keeps saying that he plans to live forever--and so far it's working! Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jan 29 07:30:48 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:30:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <6BB43C19-129D-4978-AC58-44046C891B4E@alltel.net> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> <479EA081.6010508@scrtc.com> <6BB43C19-129D-4978-AC58-44046C891B4E@alltel.net> Message-ID: <3B0D858F-DB95-4158-863A-FBE46EDCCBC7@rustyiron.com> > Arnie keeps saying that he plans to live forever--and so far it's > working! > Has anyone heard from Arnie today? Maybe his plan isn't working so well any more. Just to be sure, I'm going to call Nancy and ask if I can help clean behind the barn. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jan 29 07:50:46 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:50:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <016B181E-7591-4774-8979-5DFBC345B4D5@rustyiron.com> On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Best, George wrote: > I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. Think again, George. Towards the end of last year sold off my only remaining project that was stalled as the result of waning interest. It was the complete 7 1/2 horse Allan Brothers. It was a big decision, but she had been sitting neglected for about five years, wasn't going to get my attention any time soon, and she truly deserved to be restored, shown and enjoyed. The empty space was put to good use, the new owner is happy, and I have no regrets (and will likely have none until I get to see the engine running). Rob From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jan 29 08:10:38 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:10:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite Arizona show last weekend Message-ID: <20080129.120034.1264.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ron, Thanks for the great photos. I had a brother that lived in Tucson and used to visit. Every time I see pix of AZ I get an empty feeling. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " If at first you don't succeed, (_o_) you'll get a lot of advice." From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Tue Jan 29 10:51:44 2008 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:51:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects Message-ID: I have had an early Fairbanks Eclipse in pieces for the last 6 years. I was in the process of putting it back together when I decided to move. It seems our 13 year old house with a 2 car garage on ? acre didn't have enough room for me to have a shop and park cars in the garage. (which I consider a necessity during the winter in Connecticut) So we looked and looked for something with a better lot where I could have a shop. We considered building new, but housing prices in our area are way too high for me to think about building and retiring in 15 years. I found the perfect place! Closer to work, a nice flat acre with lots of trees and a barn. But the house was started in 1770, and isn't quite finished yet, the barn is ~120 years old and needs some shoring up. So for the last few years all I've done is work on the house to get it finished so I can then start on the barn, so I can then get back to my engine. Oh yea, in the meantime I started doing a little blacksmithing just for fun as well. That doesn't count the rest of the engines I haven't even started yet. Ken Erman Windsor, CT. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 29 11:13:06 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:13:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <312CC69ACF664015B4D20E1B8AFAB9F2@KerryPC> And Curt we will not even talk about the two MG's that the tree grew through that you took to the dump last year 8-)) Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz > George, > Several have told of unfinished car stories. Hmmm Kelley hasn't piped > up! Yeah I'm guilty of the same. I started on this '69 MGBGT many years > ago. I think is was before Devin was born. > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jan 29 12:56:59 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:56:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects Message-ID: <10106512.53471201640219705.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z02> We know he will, he has yet to touch the mighty FERO compressor!!!! ---- David Rotigel wrote: > On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > My wife came up to the shop one day > > when I was tinkering and she said "you'll have to live to be a 100 to > > fix all this stuff up". I told her "thats the plan!". > > > > Tommy Turner > > Arnie keeps saying that he plans to live forever--and so far it's > working! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jan 29 12:56:50 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:56:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <312CC69ACF664015B4D20E1B8AFAB9F2@KerryPC> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> <312CC69ACF664015B4D20E1B8AFAB9F2@KerryPC> Message-ID: <479F9312.20705@imc-group.com> Ah yes the honeysuckle planter labeled by the neighbors as Chia Cars. Curt P.S. For those overseas who might not know what Chia Pets are: and the original commercial: Kerry wrote: > And Curt we will not even talk about the two MG's that the tree grew through > that you took to the dump last year 8-)) > > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 19:17:35 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:17:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <106692.5335.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury engine. I bought it from a list member here. It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end. I forget who I bought that from, but at the time I emailed him and he said that cover was in a shed somewhere, but he would have to wait until Winter to dig for it because that shed was full of bees, wasps, hornets or something???? Well,,,,, That has been several Winters ago and I have not heard anything from him. Bummer too,,,, I think that saw was supposed to be complete. All those emails about this saw were on my WebTv and got dumped suddenly. Soon as I got that saw home I took it to the next Buckley Old Engine Show as a stuck non-runner with the recoil rope hanging out of a messed up recoil unit. It took just a couple hours to loosen it up and get it running. What a cool sound. Loud and cool that is. Three of the folks that were standing around watching us work on it put their hands over their ears and left fast. Several other folks came in a hurry to see what was making that beautiful sound. 8>)) IIRC It was my good friend Bill Wright and our own Luke Tonneberger that were there with me knocking it loose and repairing the recoil. There it sits now because I will not put a chain on it until I get that part. 8>(( Now,,, Who did I buy it from? If you are out there please send me a note off list. IIRC someone else brought it to me at either Portland or Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell. If that great person reads this please email me off list and let me know who it came from. Thanks, for this topic too, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan John Hall wrote: I've got a small 2-man saw in the shop thats been there for a couple years but hasn't seen a wrench in close to a year. It was quite an undertaking to get it running but now that it does I really need to make a few parts and finish it up. Of course I started working on it 8-9 years ago. Does cleaning/organizing the shop itself count? I bought a label maker back in Dec. but have yet to get motivated to tackle making new labels for the bolt bin--or anything else for that matter. John Hall _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Jan 29 21:10:06 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:10:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished Projects Message-ID: <000901c862fe$6462a220$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> I have several unfinished projects .......the one that concerns me the most is a Mopat Engine ,some vital parts of which I carefully put away 6 years ago .......time is running out! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From falcon at telenet.net Tue Jan 29 21:39:43 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:39:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: <106692.5335.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <106692.5335.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A00D9F.1020102@telenet.net> Alan, Is that one like the current 160203486702 on sleezebay? -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept Alan Bowen wrote: > I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury engine. > I bought it from a list member here. > It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end. > Thanks, for this topic too, > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Jan 29 23:29:52 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:29:52 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: Message-ID: <005501c86311$e7e35b90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Tom the buick sounds like a great project do you have any family that are keen to help you with it could be a great father son or daughter project or even a family affair...Would have lots opf great memories restoring it together .If it goes well they might help you complete more projects brent .----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects > George, > > I have many unfinished projects, but the one I catch the most grief is my > 1936 Buick, bought new by my Grandfather, all original and in running condition. > The front end got in bad shape and would go in a violent shake driving down > the road at times. I tore it partially apart and got my first gas engine. The > rest is history and there it sits waiting on me to come back, and Millie lets > me know I need to get back to it every so often too!! My grandfather should > rise up and choke me as it was his pride and joy! > > Of course there is the 8 hp Olds, the 3 hp Novo, and some others too!! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jan 30 04:05:45 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:05:45 EST Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects Message-ID: In a message dated 1/30/2008 2:35:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz writes: Tom the buick sounds like a great project Brent, 30 year old son has said to put it in the will for him, and also the whole garage!! He is busy making a living and a life as most of us were doing at that age too. I just need to get away from the old engine hobby for a while and concentrate on the Buick. Problem is there are too many shows to attend when the weather is nice. I take an engine to a local car cruise in once a month is the warm months and have a great time. What I need to do is fix the Buick, put a hitch on it, and drive it with a trailer behind and an engine to the cruise in. Now, that would draw a lot of attention! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Jan 30 06:07:03 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:07:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay changes Message-ID: <20080130140847.966A957C69@gw1.nlenet.net> Feedback Changes The eBay Feedback system was designed to provide a simple, honest, accurate record of member experiences. Focusing on customer service includes doing everything we can to grow customer confidence in our sellers. Buyers will only be able to receive positive Feedback. Positive repeat customer Feedback will count (up to 1 Feedback from the same buyer per week.) Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your Feedback percentage. When a buyer doesn't respond to the Unpaid Item (UPI) process the negative or neutral Feedback they have left for that transaction will be removed. When a member is suspended, all their negative and neutral Feedback will be removed. Buyers must wait 3 days before leaving negative or neutral Feedback for sellers with an established track record, to encourage communication. All Feedback must be left within 60 days (compared to 90 days today) of listing end to encourage timely Feedback and discourage abuse. Buyers will be held more accountable when sellers report an unpaid item or commit other policy violations. http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/rewards/index.html?ov=004KO $0.01-$25.00 was 10.00% of the closing value will be12.00% of the closing value See http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/basic/index.html?ov=004KO for other fees From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 06:33:07 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:33:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay changes In-Reply-To: <20080130140847.966A957C69@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080130140847.966A957C69@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160801300633h68b848c3lc5e4f40eb72ad604@mail.gmail.com> On 30/01/2008, Frank DeWitt wrote: > Feedback Changes Seems like it isn't going to change much at all Peter! -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Jan 30 06:59:00 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:59:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay changes Message-ID: <20080130150848.3C47057E28@gw1.nlenet.net> Seems like it isn't going to change much at all Peter! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is what caught my eye Buyers will only be able to receive positive Feedback. Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your Feedback percentage. Frank From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 30 07:40:47 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:40:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay changes In-Reply-To: <20080130150848.3C47057E28@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080130150848.3C47057E28@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <65E9802C-FF65-4FC3-B460-2F3E35571712@alltel.net> On Jan 30, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Frank DeWitt wrote: > Seems like it isn't going to change much at all > > Peter! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------- > > This is what caught my eye > > Buyers will only be able to receive positive Feedback. > > Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your Feedback > percentage. > > Frank Now Frank, You know that your mother always told you "If you can't say anything nice about another person, don't say anything at all!" Dave PS, Life's a BITCH--DON'T vote for one! From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Jan 30 07:43:28 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:43:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay changes Message-ID: <20080130154806.09A90580D4@gw1.nlenet.net> > This is what caught my eye > > Buyers will only be able to receive positive Feedback. > > Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your Feedback > percentage. > > Frank Now Frank, You know that your mother always told you "If you can't say anything nice about another person, don't say anything at all!" Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It looks like an attempt to allow buyers to leave honest feedback with out worry that they will have there own rating messed up. I wonder what the unintended consequences will be? At least I will get rid of the negative from the guy who was upset because the 12 year old car I sold him needed brakes after he drove it across two states and back and forth to work for a month. Frank From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jan 30 07:57:00 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:57:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: <106692.5335.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> <106692.5335.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, I remember it well. Here are a couple pictures of the fun. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck03/buck03-1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck03/buck03-2.jpgLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA =============================> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:17:35 -0800> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw> > I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury engine. > I bought it from a list member here.> It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end.> > I forget who I bought that from, but at the time I emailed him and he said that cover was in a shed somewhere, but he would have to wait until Winter to dig for it because that shed was full of bees, wasps, hornets or something????> > Well,,,,, That has been several Winters ago and I have not heard anything from him. Bummer too,,,, I think that saw was supposed to be complete.> All those emails about this saw were on my WebTv and got dumped suddenly.> > Soon as I got that saw home I took it to the next Buckley Old Engine Show as a stuck non-runner with the recoil rope hanging out of a messed up recoil unit.> > It took just a couple hours to loosen it up and get it running. What a cool sound.> Loud and cool that is. Three of the folks that were standing around watching us work on it put their hands over their ears and left fast.> Several other folks came in a hurry to see what was making that beautiful sound. 8>))> IIRC It was my good friend Bill Wright and our own Luke Tonneberger that were there with me knocking it loose and repairing the recoil.> There it sits now because I will not put a chain on it until I get that part. 8>((> > Now,,, Who did I buy it from?> If you are out there please send me a note off list.> IIRC someone else brought it to me at either Portland or Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell. If that great person reads this please email me off list and let me know who it came from.> Thanks, for this topic too, > > Alan Bowen> Williamsburg, Michigan _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 09:29:14 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:29:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay changes In-Reply-To: <65E9802C-FF65-4FC3-B460-2F3E35571712@alltel.net> References: <20080130150848.3C47057E28@gw1.nlenet.net> <65E9802C-FF65-4FC3-B460-2F3E35571712@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160801300929o56a9766cia2276671ac36f8e6@mail.gmail.com> On 30/01/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Frank DeWitt wrote: > > > Now Frank, You know that your mother always told you "If you can't > say anything nice about another person, don't say anything at all!" > Dave > PS, Life's a BITCH--DON'T vote for one! Hillary is going to be the next Ebay CEO? You have the inside word, Dave? :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 09:51:08 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:51:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Decision Time Message-ID: <6f6025160801300951g7555f573se14535283c206414@mail.gmail.com> Seriously (for a minute anyway) After more discussions the other evening, and following on from George's posting, we are at the point of deciding on whether to devote more time to the website and engine matters therein, and less on the actual mechanical side of things. I am going to be 62 in February, and while I am still very active, the lugging around of big lumps of iron is starting to take its toll. Like my mate, Reggie, I also had a motorcycle accident (back in the early 1980's) and although I didn't break anything then, the muscles on my left arm and shoulder are starting to give me a fair bit of trouble, as a result of hitting a car that turned across me as I was overtaking him...(wrote off my BMW R100CS as well) Anyway, we wanted to get all the engine Patents and other carb/magneto stuff listed and on the website before I got to the stage where my eyesight wasn't up to doing the volume of computer work required. That implies something like 3-4 years work, and with the other stuff that we have in the queue for the website, I cannot see us having the time to play with the engines AND do the website work. The other problem is the cost of storage. We rent a farm building to house most of the overspill from the workshop and the engine tent outside the house, and that is going to get more expensive soon. That's nearly 1000sq ft altogether. We'll still be around and active on the Lists, but we will wind down the engine collection (about 15 at present) to just the Ruston and the Diter and maybe one of the Cub gennies. The decision is almost made, unless someone can give me a VERY good reason not to do it? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Jan 30 10:47:16 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:47:16 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: Message-ID: <008601c86370$8a49d2c0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> That sounds like a great idea Tom its a great hobby and good way to meet with people with a common interest.At least your son is keen on the buick and would be great to keep in the family i know what you mean about a shortage of time.It is abit of a juggle at times with family and hobbies..All the best with the buick would look great at vintage machinery shows.Its amazing how much you can get done on something even if it is only half an hour each day..brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects > > In a message dated 1/30/2008 2:35:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, > brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz writes: > > Tom the buick sounds like a great project > > > Brent, > > 30 year old son has said to put it in the will for him, and also the whole > garage!! He is busy making a living and a life as most of us were doing at that > age too. > > I just need to get away from the old engine hobby for a while and concentrate > on the Buick. Problem is there are too many shows to attend when the weather > is nice. I take an engine to a local car cruise in once a month is the warm > months and have a great time. What I need to do is fix the Buick, put a hitch > on it, and drive it with a trailer behind and an engine to the cruise in. > Now, that would draw a lot of attention! > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 30 13:04:44 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:04:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Decision Time In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801300951g7555f573se14535283c206414@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6f6025160801300951g7555f573se14535283c206414@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080131080229.02192ca8@ncable.com.au> Pete you are the only one who can answer such a question. It's a shame I live so far away from you as I know how heavy these engines are and to come help shift them out would be the least I could do, althought Im just wondering where I would get the 1000sq foot of extra room :-) Russell At 04:51 AM 31/01/2008, you wrote: >Seriously (for a minute anyway) > >After more discussions the other evening, and following on from >George's posting, we are at the point of deciding on whether to devote >more time to the website and engine matters therein, and less on the >actual mechanical side of things. > >I am going to be 62 in February, and while I am still very active, the >lugging around of big lumps of iron is starting to take its toll. Like >my mate, Reggie, I also had a motorcycle accident (back in the early >1980's) and although I didn't break anything then, the muscles on my >left arm and shoulder are starting to give me a fair bit of trouble, >as a result of hitting a car that turned across me as I was overtaking >him...(wrote off my BMW R100CS as well) > >Anyway, we wanted to get all the engine Patents and other >carb/magneto stuff listed and on the website before I got to the stage >where my eyesight wasn't up to doing the volume of computer work >required. That implies something like 3-4 years work, and with the >other stuff that we have in the queue for the website, I cannot see us >having the time to play with the engines AND do the website work. > >The other problem is the cost of storage. We rent a farm building to >house most of the overspill from the workshop and the engine tent >outside the house, and that is going to get more expensive soon. >That's nearly 1000sq ft altogether. > >We'll still be around and active on the Lists, but we will wind down >the engine collection (about 15 at present) to just the Ruston and the >Diter and maybe one of the Cub gennies. > >The decision is almost made, unless someone can give me a VERY good >reason not to do it? > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 30 13:14:31 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:14:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A simple test Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080131080506.02049350@ncable.com.au> I have a simple test. Without looking at the key board try typing "Stationary engine" !!! How did you go? Next test is to type your wifes full maiden name ! (if you can remember it) don't look at they key board. How many mistakes did you make in test one to test two?? Now delete all this rubbish and get back to the shed before you get in trouble. :-) Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed Jan 30 15:09:33 2008 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:09:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A simple test In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080131080506.02049350@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080131080506.02049350@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <47A103AD.9020601@xplornet.com> Hello Russel, That's no problem if you had a typing teacher like I had. I was taught on the old mechanical typewriters to look at the work or the dictation sheet I was copying. It's tough to do if your used to looking at the keyboard. You mention "shed" below. Do you call a shop a shed in AU too or is that a New Zealand term for a shop? Speaking of sheds, I just renewed my subscription the The Shed Magazine. Wish shipping wasn't so high but I like the magazine. Rupert Russell Gilbert wrote: > I have a simple test. > > Without looking at the key board try typing "Stationary engine" !!! > How did you go? > > Next test is to type your wifes full maiden name ! (if you can > remember it) don't look at they key board. > > How many mistakes did you make in test one to test two?? > > Now delete all this rubbish and get back to the shed before you get > in trouble. :-) > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 30 17:23:48 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:23:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1201742628.47a1232454cc8@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Curt, No damn wonder Kelley hasn't piped up. Think about it... The word "unfinished" implies that _sometime_ in the future, the project may be finished. With Ms. Kelley's 'stang... Well, lets just say we'll see the heat death of the universe before THAT project is "finished." 8->>> See ya, Arnie Quoting Curt : > George, > Several have told of unfinished car stories. Hmmm Kelley hasn't piped > up! From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 30 17:55:47 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:55:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <10106512.53471201640219705.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z02> References: <10106512.53471201640219705.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z02> Message-ID: <1201744547.47a12aa338d80@webmail.city-net.com> heh-heh-heh All a part of The Plan. 8-)) Quoting mr at carolina.rr.com: > We know he will, he has yet to touch the mighty FERO compressor!!!! > > ---- David Rotigel wrote: > > Arnie keeps saying that he plans to live forever--and so far it's > > working! From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Jan 30 18:36:22 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:36:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw References: <106692.5335.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009201c863b2$11f11580$dad14c0c@D48VHZ61> Don't know which model you have but the older ones merely had a sheet metal cover over the sprocket. It wouldn't take a lot to make one so you could "play". Watch the hand clutch--you'll never be able to reach it before you get kicked if the log decides to bite. If you think that one is loud, you'd better get some ear plugs before you add to your collection as Mercury's are pretty quiet. The one man saws are the worst. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw >I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury >engine. > I bought it from a list member here. > It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end. > > I forget who I bought that from, but at the time I emailed him and he said > that cover was in a shed somewhere, but he would have to wait until Winter > to dig for it because that shed was full of bees, wasps, hornets or > something???? > > Well,,,,, That has been several Winters ago and I have not heard anything > from him. Bummer too,,,, I think that saw was supposed to be complete. > All those emails about this saw were on my WebTv and got dumped suddenly. > > Soon as I got that saw home I took it to the next Buckley Old Engine Show > as a stuck non-runner with the recoil rope hanging out of a messed up > recoil unit. > > It took just a couple hours to loosen it up and get it running. What a > cool sound. > Loud and cool that is. Three of the folks that were standing around > watching us work on it put their hands over their ears and left fast. > Several other folks came in a hurry to see what was making that beautiful > sound. 8>)) > IIRC It was my good friend Bill Wright and our own Luke Tonneberger that > were there with me knocking it loose and repairing the recoil. > There it sits now because I will not put a chain on it until I get that > part. 8>(( > > Now,,, Who did I buy it from? > If you are out there please send me a note off list. > IIRC someone else brought it to me at either Portland or Lincoln Tucker's > Show & Tell. If that great person reads this please email me off list > and let me know who it came from. > Thanks, for this topic too, > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Wed Jan 30 18:42:06 2008 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:42:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <1201742628.47a1232454cc8@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> <1201742628.47a1232454cc8@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <5796E4FF-1A22-4F09-87CE-8388F0CE35C8@rustyiron.com> Arnie, you DO realize, that poking me with a stick will have a very negative 'impact', come Portland time! Kapish, roomy? hi Curt and all, there will always be unfinished projects! well, until I can pull the pin at work anyway.... my list has 2 big ones. I have a '65 mustang that I have partially restored. This car was my mom's first new car and my first car when I was 16 and got my license. After playing with a car as a teenager is likely to do (headers, raised rear suspension to make room for the big L50 tires, rims, paint, etc), I thought it time to put it back to stock. the other project is a 5hp Ottawa drag saw [with saw]. it's stripped down and ready for me to start putting it back together again. what keeps me away from these projects? long hours at work, home maintenance, repairs or upgrades, and then Rob bringing home fresh projects :-) But there is no doubt, I will get to them! ********** Kelley Garcia La habra Kalifornia On Jan 30, 2008, at 5:23 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Curt, > > No damn wonder Kelley hasn't piped up. Think about it... > The word "unfinished" implies that _sometime_ in the future, the > project may be > finished. With Ms. Kelley's 'stang... Well, lets just say we'll > see the heat > death of the universe before THAT project is "finished." 8->>> > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Curt : > >> George, >> Several have told of unfinished car stories. Hmmm Kelley hasn't piped >> up! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 30 19:54:25 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:54:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <1201744547.47a12aa338d80@webmail.city-net.com> References: <10106512.53471201640219705.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z02> <1201744547.47a12aa338d80@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <404E0120-99B6-45A1-9DF4-F84EBA10EF14@alltel.net> "The Plan?" Is that something like His Plan? Dave On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:55 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > heh-heh-heh All a part of The Plan. 8-)) > > Quoting mr at carolina.rr.com: > >> We know he will, he has yet to touch the mighty FERO compressor!!!! >> >> ---- David Rotigel wrote: >>> Arnie keeps saying that he plans to live forever--and so far it's >>> working! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 30 20:01:04 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:01:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <5796E4FF-1A22-4F09-87CE-8388F0CE35C8@rustyiron.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> <1201742628.47a1232454cc8@webmail.city-net.com> <5796E4FF-1A22-4F09-87CE-8388F0CE35C8@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <746FC14B-409E-49B4-B123-E7EF9B6D9437@alltel.net> On Jan 30, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Kelley Garcia wrote: > Arnie, > you DO realize, that poking me with a stick will have a very negative > 'impact', come Portland time! Kapish, roomy? If Arnie is disqualified can I have his night? Dave From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 30 20:22:49 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:22:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A simple test In-Reply-To: <47A103AD.9020601@xplornet.com> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080131080506.02049350@ncable.com.au> <47A103AD.9020601@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080131152108.02195f38@ncable.com.au> G'day Rupert, yes my shed is like your shop; A shop is a place I can buy stuff to put in my shed :-) Russell At 10:09 AM 31/01/2008, you wrote: >Hello Russel, > That's no problem if you had a typing teacher like I had. I > was taught >on the old mechanical typewriters to look at the work or the dictation >sheet I was copying. It's tough to do if your used to looking at the >keyboard. > > You mention "shed" below. Do you call a shop a shed in AU too or is >that a New Zealand term for a shop? > Speaking of sheds, I just renewed my subscription the The Shed >Magazine. Wish shipping wasn't so high but I like the magazine. > >Rupert > >Russell Gilbert wrote: > > I have a simple test. > > > > Without looking at the key board try typing "Stationary engine" !!! > > How did you go? > > > > Next test is to type your wifes full maiden name ! (if you can > > remember it) don't look at they key board. > > > > How many mistakes did you make in test one to test two?? > > > > Now delete all this rubbish and get back to the shed before you get > > in trouble. :-) > > Russell Gilbert > > Sunny Sunraysia > > russell at ncable.com.au > > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >-- >-- >yvt > >Rupert Wenig >Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 31 02:32:44 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:32:44 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> Message-ID: <000501c863f4$a0c4a0f0$0dc20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype >I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. > If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the service. > George Hi George, Are you having problems with Skype? No one can find you on it. My skype name is "davecroft". Any problems just ask. By the way to anyone using broadband, why don't you join us on Skype? It is free to download and use. We have about 30 enginemen on it. Dave Croft From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Jan 31 03:50:13 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:50:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype Message-ID: <013120081150.21347.47A1B5F50002FDBB00005363219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey George were all waiting for you to SKYPE us. If your having troubles let us know and we can help you. Curt Andree skype name: curtandree1949 ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "George Best" To: Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:27:38 +0000 > I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. > > If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the > service. > > George > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Thu Jan 31 06:59:59 2008 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:59:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <746FC14B-409E-49B4-B123-E7EF9B6D9437@alltel.net> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> <1201742628.47a1232454cc8@webmail.city-net.com> <5796E4FF-1A22-4F09-87CE-8388F0CE35C8@rustyiron.com> <746FC14B-409E-49B4-B123-E7EF9B6D9437@alltel.net> Message-ID: Sointenly! however, I'm kinda looking forward to see if Arnie is going to be able to get out of the hole he has dug.... *********** See ya, Kelley On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:01 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Kelley Garcia wrote: > >> Arnie, >> you DO realize, that poking me with a stick will have a very negative >> 'impact', come Portland time! Kapish, roomy? > > If Arnie is disqualified can I have his night? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Thu Jan 31 08:24:31 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:24:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <000501c863f4$a0c4a0f0$0dc20b52@intrepid> References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> <000501c863f4$a0c4a0f0$0dc20b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD5A47@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Dave, I think you can search for George Best, which is what I think Paul did when he contacted me on Sunday (Monday in Australia), but there are several George Best's. Fortunately, Paul has stayed at my house and knew I lived in Beaverton Oregon. My skype name is georgesbest. Getting hold of me via Skype may not be easy as I only have it loaded on my new computer at home, and the new computer is still being set up and hasn't replaced the old computer yet. I also do most of my SEL postings during the day from work. My computer time at home is mostly limited to taking care of my W.A.I.T. business and I usually don't spend a lot of time on the computer at home. The timezone differences makes it hard for anyone to skype me during the week as I'm GMT+8 and by the time I get home from work it is too late for European calls. Weekend calls are fine, but since I don't sit at the computer all day, catching me at the computer will be difficult. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:33 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: Oldengine.org Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone using Skype ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype >I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. > If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the service. > George Hi George, Are you having problems with Skype? No one can find you on it. My skype name is "davecroft". Any problems just ask. By the way to anyone using broadband, why don't you join us on Skype? It is free to download and use. We have about 30 enginemen on it. Dave Croft _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jan 31 08:29:41 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:29:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> <1201742628.47a1232454cc8@webmail.city-net.com> <5796E4FF-1A22-4F09-87CE-8388F0CE35C8@rustyiron.com> <746FC14B-409E-49B4-B123-E7EF9B6D9437@alltel.net> Message-ID: <47A1F775.3080903@imc-group.com> Kelley, He's not worried, Arnie is armed with two trump cards. 1) He knows beer works on any trollop. 2) And this is a family list so the other one can't be mentioned here. You'll be like butter, minutes after arriving at Portland. Gather up your stars darlin'. Curt :-) Kelley Garcia wrote: > Sointenly! > > however, I'm kinda looking forward to see if Arnie is going to be able > to get out of the hole he has dug.... > > *********** > See ya, > Kelley > > > > > From alharris44 at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 11:53:51 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:53:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD5A47@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> <000501c863f4$a0c4a0f0$0dc20b52@intrepid> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD5A47@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <47A2274F.2090005@gmail.com> G'day George, I'm hooked up with FWD for VOIP, but that's my problem. ;-) However, your situation with Skype/computer having to be switched on and "sat at", has me just a little amused. I don't need to have my PC's powered-up for FWD to be functional, only the modem/router. And I can be anywhere around the place with my portable phone on my belt, to be called/call. This should also be possible with Skype. If not, it's a scam. :-P On my right hip is my mobile, on my left hip is my landline portable and dangling in front is my FWD portable. Have you seen the old comedy skit about the loser trying to figure which of many phones is ringing. But at least I'm covered. Cheers, Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW Australia Best, George wrote: > Dave, > > I think you can search for George Best, which is what I think Paul did > when he contacted me on Sunday (Monday in Australia), but there are > several George Best's. Fortunately, Paul has stayed at my house and knew > I lived in Beaverton Oregon. > > My skype name is georgesbest. > > Getting hold of me via Skype may not be easy as I only have it loaded on > my new computer at home, and the new computer is still being set up and > hasn't replaced the old computer yet. > > I also do most of my SEL postings during the day from work. My computer > time at home is mostly limited to taking care of my W.A.I.T. business > and I usually don't spend a lot of time on the computer at home. The > timezone differences makes it hard for anyone to skype me during the > week as I'm GMT+8 and by the time I get home from work it is too late > for European calls. > > Weekend calls are fine, but since I don't sit at the computer all day, > catching me at the computer will be difficult. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:33 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Oldengine.org > Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone using Skype > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Best" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:17 PM > Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype > > >> I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. >> If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try > out the service. >> George > > Hi George, > Are you having problems with Skype? No one can find you on it. > My skype name is "davecroft". Any problems just ask. > By the way to anyone using broadband, why don't you join us on Skype? > It is free to download and use. We have about 30 enginemen on it. > > Dave Croft > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Jan 31 13:01:17 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:01:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <47A2274F.2090005@gmail.com> References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> <000501c863f4$a0c4a0f0$0dc20b52@intrepid><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD5A47@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47A2274F.2090005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD6528@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Al, I'm new to skype so more experienced users might have their own comments on this. As far as sitting at my computer to use Skype, both skype users need to be at their computer only if you are trying to talk for free. If a Skype user wants to call a cell phone or landline phone they can for a few cents per minute. If your FWD service is free and you can do what you say, then you probably have something worth looking into. However, I suspect you're paying a monthly fee or something for your service. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone using Skype G'day George, I'm hooked up with FWD for VOIP, but that's my problem. ;-) However, your situation with Skype/computer having to be switched on and "sat at", has me just a little amused. I don't need to have my PC's powered-up for FWD to be functional, only the modem/router. And I can be anywhere around the place with my portable phone on my belt, to be called/call. This should also be possible with Skype. If not, it's a scam. :-P On my right hip is my mobile, on my left hip is my landline portable and dangling in front is my FWD portable. Have you seen the old comedy skit about the loser trying to figure which of many phones is ringing. But at least I'm covered. Cheers, Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW Australia This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From alharris44 at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 13:21:16 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:21:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD6528@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> <000501c863f4$a0c4a0f0$0dc20b52@intrepid><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD5A47@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47A2274F.2090005@gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD6528@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <47A23BCC.5000008@gmail.com> George, No fees, free service for FWD's VOIP. Yep, extra if you go out into the Public Network. I have a Linksys VOIP Voice Analogue Telephone Adapter 1 Port FXS connected to a port on my Netcomm Modem/router. I have a Uniden Portable base plugged into the Linksys and the Uniden Portable on my belt. I'm freeeeeeeeeeeeee. Cheers, Al etc Best, George wrote: > Al, > > I'm new to skype so more experienced users might have their own comments > on this. > > As far as sitting at my computer to use Skype, both skype users need to > be at their computer only if you are trying to talk for free. If a > Skype user wants to call a cell phone or landline phone they can for a > few cents per minute. > > If your FWD service is free and you can do what you say, then you > probably have something worth looking into. > > However, I suspect you're paying a monthly fee or something for your > service. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone using Skype > > G'day George, > > I'm hooked up with FWD for VOIP, but that's my problem. ;-) > > However, your situation with Skype/computer having to be switched on and > "sat at", has me just a little amused. > > I don't need to have my PC's powered-up for FWD to be functional, only > the modem/router. And I can be anywhere around the place with my > portable phone on my belt, to be called/call. This should also be > possible with Skype. If not, it's a scam. :-P > > On my right hip is my mobile, on my left hip is my landline portable and > dangling in front is my FWD portable. > > Have you seen the old comedy skit about the loser trying to figure which > of many phones is ringing. But at least I'm covered. > > Cheers, > Al Harris > Clarence Coast > NSW Australia > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jan 31 16:13:58 2008 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:43:58 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <47A2274F.2090005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c86467$57614260$1bcbae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> Hmmmmmm :) ..................... and dangling in front is my FWD portable. Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW Australia From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Jan 31 20:28:31 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:28:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype Message-ID: <20080201043423.ACA1257C8D@gw1.nlenet.net> I don't need to have my PC's powered-up for FWD to be functional, only the modem/router. And I can be anywhere around the place with my portable phone on my belt, to be called/call. This should also be possible with Skype. If not, it's a scam. :-P A quick search turned up dozens of phones that work with Skype and at least one that works with Skype and your land line. and http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/03/panasonics-cordless-landline-with-skype/ Or just search for Skype cordless phone. Frank From gibsongus at earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 22:32:28 2008 From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:32:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects Message-ID: <6652011.1201847548732.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kelly this sounds intersting whats your room no. and how many beers?? I may have to go to Portland.... -----Original Message----- >From: Kelley Garcia >Sent: Jan 30, 2008 6:42 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects > >Arnie, >you DO realize, that poking me with a stick will have a very negative >'impact', come Portland time! Kapish, roomy? > >hi Curt and all, >there will always be unfinished projects! well, until I can pull the >pin at work anyway.... >my list has 2 big ones. > >I have a '65 mustang that I have partially restored. This car was my >mom's first new car and my first car when I was 16 and got my >license. After playing with a car as a teenager is likely to do >(headers, raised rear suspension to make room for the big L50 tires, >rims, paint, etc), I thought it time to put it back to stock. > >the other project is a 5hp Ottawa drag saw [with saw]. it's stripped >down and ready for me to start putting it back together again. > >what keeps me away from these projects? long hours at work, home >maintenance, repairs or upgrades, and then Rob bringing home fresh >projects :-) > >But there is no doubt, I will get to them! > > >********** >Kelley Garcia >La habra Kalifornia > > > >On Jan 30, 2008, at 5:23 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> Hi Curt, >> >> No damn wonder Kelley hasn't piped up. Think about it... >> The word "unfinished" implies that _sometime_ in the future, the >> project may be >> finished. With Ms. Kelley's 'stang... Well, lets just say we'll >> see the heat >> death of the universe before THAT project is "finished." 8->>> >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Curt : >> >>> George, >>> Several have told of unfinished car stories. Hmmm Kelley hasn't piped >>> up! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Jan 1 01:10:20 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:10:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! In-Reply-To: <00be01c84c03$05f11e40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> <00be01c84c03$05f11e40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <477A037C.4080206@steamengine.com.au> Mate, our fire patrol trollies are vintage - the youngest one is 50 years old :) Regards Paul brent wrote: > Paul well done putting the potential fire out that could have been life > threatning just as well you were there..Cant reason the logic behind > stupidity.Does that mean you will be promoted to chief fire officier could > be a good reason to buy a vintage fire truck ? brentnz > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Jan 1 02:31:10 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:31:10 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> <00be01c84c03$05f11e40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <477A037C.4080206@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <001901c84c61$6db53530$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Paul thats pretty cool ..pleased it worked out safely in the end ..brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! > Mate, our fire patrol trollies are vintage - the youngest one is 50 > years old :) > > Regards > Paul > > brent wrote: > > Paul well done putting the potential fire out that could have been life > > threatning just as well you were there..Cant reason the logic behind > > stupidity.Does that mean you will be promoted to chief fire officier could > > be a good reason to buy a vintage fire truck ? brentnz > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jan 1 02:35:11 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:35:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz and first crankup. References: <000801c84bad$172f4b60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <004d01c84c61$fce23140$0601a8c0@altech> Yeah right Dave ;-)) our new government has promised faster internet speeds and now they want to filter everything and slow it down again !!!! We can't win. So if it makes you feel good, Morgan was NOT impressed at midnight sucking in two stroke fumes, even at 30:1, and her hair being blown by the flywheel fan, I can assure you. I got one take on that photo and that was it. ;-))) Today after a good sleep she was back in the shed with me running it and her Villiers again. Take care my friend. Pete, Oz > Hello Peter, > This borders on CHILD ABUSE. But since I like you I will not report > it this time. However, I warn you that with the new laws you have in > OZ (see: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/31/2129471.htm) > this sort of thing will no longer be taken lightly by officials in > your great country! > Dave > PS, Happy New year! > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Dec 31, 2007, at 8:00 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Happy New Year to all at ATIS & Oldengine.org >> >> Here is our New Years Crankup message from my Grand Daughter, >> Morgan, and >> way past her bed time. >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/newyear2008.htm >> >> Yes Dave, the 72 is running, Morgan was not impressed at midnight >> with two >> stroke fumes and the wind from the flywheel fan blowing her hair, >> women I >> just don't understand them ;-)) !!!!! >> >> My mate just rang tonight at 11.15pm and has given me a complete >> engine >> running, for free, a 2hp Cooper H&M open crank, does this make it the >> first engine into a collection for 2008? >> I think it is something like this one, I have seen it before but can't >> remember the model, will collect it when I get my R&V parts at the >> end of >> January. >> http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/guildford_vic_1999/ >> pics/cooper_tc_little_wonder.jpg >> Take care all and happy collecting, >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> Ph: 61-266453455 >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 1 07:40:57 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:40:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year In-Reply-To: <4779A886.5050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: Al: So far, I'm slowly getting ready to do video on the 'ol PeeCee. Only thing is that my trusty Hi-8 camcorder lived only long enough for me to get the hardware for the aforementioned PeeCee........then it died, so now I have no way of inputting. I don't really want to get another camcorder so I'm waiting for a friend to finish archiving all his Hi-8 to DVD then he's gonna loan me his unit so I can do the same. I'll try to get some videos online when that happens. When???.........Don't ask. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 08:42 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy New Year > > > What can I say ? > > Love to see and hear it. Video ??? > > Happy New Year, > > Al Harris > > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > Gang: > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > I celebrated about twelve hours early today by > making smoke on a newly restored 1922 1-1/2 HP > Fairbanks-Morse Z with AB33 oscillating mag. > I've stuck a photogiraffe of me and the engine on > my web page. > > > > I did it early 'cause us Geezers can't be > depended upon to stay awake all the way to midnight! > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 1 10:34:44 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:34:44 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Happy Ne Year to all (belatedly) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080101202446.00bbfd70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys and Gals, Belated Good wishes to you all. We had a "crank up at midnight" and ran my biggest and smallest engines. Wolseley "R" Type (6 H.P.) and The Maytag 92. Pictures here for anyone who cares to have a look: For those who have never seen a Maytag running there is also a short video of it !! If you've got time please be sure to watch the video of the Wolseley - the sound is magic. Happy New Year to you all. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jan 1 10:42:36 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:42:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Message-ID: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, I've been busy over the holidays doing updates to the Lorenz and Benz engine registry. If any of you have Lorenz or Benz engines, please send the details to me so that I can include the engines in the register. I need S/N, HP, Owner's Name, City/State/Country and any comments about unique features, condition, etc. If you have photos, please send those as well. I would prefer that the pictures NOT be reduced in size. One gentleman in Holland who has a number of Czech engines has provided a lot of info for the register. He also provided this link to a video of one of the rarest of the Lorenz and Benz engines; one with low tension ignition!! ENJOY!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com ----- Forwarded message from Peter Daamen ----- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:16:36 +0100 From: Peter Daamen Subject: RE: Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Hi Arnie, Best wishes for the new year !!! I found the next clip on youtube: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoXyvPMk5E Nice running low tension Lorenz And we keep in contact for your visit to Holland. Gr. Peter From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jan 1 11:09:35 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:09:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register References: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <00b301c84ca9$d9393c50$726f4b47@mikecomp> Arnie: I suspect you could beg my brother (the bad seed cloistered oyster Royster) to send you pics of his. However his mind has a hard time staying focused on his engines these days. In high school, it would have been perfume and gasoline that was the distraction, nowadays it is just the perfume!!!!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register > Hi Folks, > > I've been busy over the holidays doing updates to the Lorenz and Benz > engine > registry. If any of you have Lorenz or Benz engines, please send the > details > to me so that I can include the engines in the register. I need S/N, HP, > Owner's Name, City/State/Country and any comments about unique features, > condition, etc. > > If you have photos, please send those as well. I would prefer that the > pictures NOT be reduced in size. > > One gentleman in Holland who has a number of Czech engines has provided a > lot > of info for the register. He also provided this link to a video of one of > the > rarest of the Lorenz and Benz engines; one with low tension ignition!! > > ENJOY!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > ----- Forwarded message from Peter Daamen ----- > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:16:36 +0100 > From: Peter Daamen > Subject: RE: Lorenz & Benz Engine Register > > Hi Arnie, > > Best wishes for the new year !!! > > I found the next clip on youtube: > > http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoXyvPMk5E > > Nice running low tension Lorenz > > And we keep in contact for your visit to Holland. > > Gr. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Jan 1 11:12:12 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:12:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home Message-ID: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Hi all My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow the link to help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of fresh snow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E or F) 12199 Thanks Paul Waugh - Indiana From ottawa at pa.net Tue Jan 1 11:37:47 2008 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:37:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <054c01c84cad$c9fc56b0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> It has a tag on the top of the hopper which probably starts with "TE". It certainly looks like a 4 or 5HP Ottawa Dragsaw Engine.....Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 Ottawa Information & Pictures ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Waugh To: SEL Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home Hi all My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow the link to help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of fresh snow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E or F) 12199 Thanks Paul Waugh - Indiana _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jan 1 11:50:03 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:50:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home In-Reply-To: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <1199217003.477a996ba790e@webmail.city-net.com> EXCELLENT way to start the year!! When he gets that puppy running he should join the sawyers at Cotton Ginning Days in October!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Paul Waugh : > My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow the link to > help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of fresh snow. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E or F) 12199 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jan 1 13:02:30 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:02:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home In-Reply-To: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <08E41516-C7D9-4D37-A1F8-C883665011DE@alltel.net> Hi Paul, You are not really asking for identification are you? Dave PS, See the last few at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ Cotton_Ginning_2006/index.html -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: > Hi all > > My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow > the link to help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of > fresh snow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E > or F) 12199 > > Thanks > > Paul Waugh - Indiana From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 1 13:39:45 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:39:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080101233509.00ba4d30@mail.cyberserv.co.za> I sent this earlier but just noticed a typo in the URL so have now corrected it -apologies! It's this darn laptop keyboard that I have not got used to yet -only been using it for about 11 months :-) Hi Guys and Gals, Belated Good wishes to you all. We had a "crank up at midnight" and ran my biggest and smallest engines. Wolseley "R" Type (6 H.P.) and The Maytag 92. Pictures here for anyone who cares to have a look: For those who have never seen a Maytag running there is also a short video of it !! If you've got time please be sure to watch the video of the Wolseley - the sound is magic. Happy New Year to you all. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 1 14:44:55 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:44:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy Ne Year to all (belatedly) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080101202446.00bbfd70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I couldn't get the movies to load. All I got was an error message (not uncommon on Windoze machines). Has anyone else had the problem with these files? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:35 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Happy Ne Year to all (belatedly) > > > Hi Guys and Gals, > Belated Good wishes to you all. > > We had a "crank up at midnight" and ran > my biggest and smallest > engines. Wolseley "R" Type (6 H.P.) and The Maytag 92. > > Pictures here for anyone who cares to > have a look: > > > > For those who have never seen a Maytag running > there is also a short video > of it !! > > If you've got time please be sure to watch the > video of the Wolseley - the > sound is magic. > > Happy New Year to you all. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 1 15:28:27 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:28:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080101233509.00ba4d30@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I could load your web page (after fixing the typo), but when I tried to run the movies, the player loaded but said there was some problem with the files. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 03:40 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) > > > I sent this earlier but just noticed a typo in > the URL so have now > corrected it -apologies! It's this darn laptop > keyboard that I have not got > used to yet -only been using it for about 11 months :-) > > Hi Guys and Gals, > Belated Good wishes to you all. > > We had a "crank up at midnight" and ran > my biggest and smallest > engines. Wolseley "R" Type (6 H.P.) and The Maytag 92. > > Pictures here for anyone who cares to > have a look: > > > > For those who have never seen a Maytag running > there is also a short video > of it !! > > If you've got time please be sure to watch the > video of the Wolseley - the > sound is magic. > > Happy New Year to you all. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Jan 1 14:32:41 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:32:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <08E41516-C7D9-4D37-A1F8-C883665011DE@alltel.net> Message-ID: <013401c84cc6$391a2730$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a list of serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your tag we can not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that was about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has been dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions on this but I don't keep many emails. Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now getting high winds ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What did my son drag home > Hi Paul, You are not really asking for identification are you? > Dave > PS, See the last few at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ > Cotton_Ginning_2006/index.html > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow >> the link to help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of >> fresh snow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E >> or F) 12199 >> >> Thanks >> >> Paul Waugh - Indiana > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jan 1 14:58:41 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:58:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home Message-ID: <20080101.145841.1628.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Paul. This is how I straightened the crank on my Witte Diesel. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31185124&f= Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:32:41 -0500 "Paul Waugh" writes: > Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a > list of > serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your tag > we can > not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that > was > about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has > been > dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions on > this > but I don't keep many emails. > > Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now > getting high > winds From alharris44 at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 15:10:16 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:10:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <477AC858.40400@gmail.com> The .wmv files run OK for me on Media Player Classic. Your player sounds (pun not intended) like it can't locate a codec to play the movies. HTH Al Harris Also in Oz. Elden DuRand wrote: > Jerry: > > I could load your web page (after fixing the typo), but when I tried to run the movies, the player loaded but said there was some problem with the files. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Jerry Evans >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 03:40 PM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) >> >> >> I sent this earlier but just noticed a typo in >> the URL so have now >> corrected it -apologies! It's this darn laptop >> keyboard that I have not got >> used to yet -only been using it for about 11 months :-) >> >> Hi Guys and Gals, >> Belated Good wishes to you all. >> >> We had a "crank up at midnight" and ran >> my biggest and smallest >> engines. Wolseley "R" Type (6 H.P.) and The Maytag 92. >> >> Pictures here for anyone who cares to >> have a look: >> >> >> >> For those who have never seen a Maytag running >> there is also a short video >> of it !! >> >> If you've got time please be sure to watch the >> video of the Wolseley - the >> sound is magic. >> >> Happy New Year to you all. >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >> www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Jan 1 15:27:23 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:27:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home - now bent crank References: <20080101.145841.1628.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <015401c84ccd$de067170$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Hi Ron I have the idea, and happen to have a set of channel welded up that may do the job, thanks, and still looking for ideas Paul Waugh - getting buried under snow ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What did my son drag home > Hi Paul. > This is how I straightened the crank on my Witte Diesel. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31185124&f= > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:32:41 -0500 "Paul Waugh" > writes: >> Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a >> list of >> serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your tag >> we can >> not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that >> was >> about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has >> been >> dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions on >> this >> but I don't keep many emails. >> >> Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now >> getting high >> winds > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 1 16:38:30 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:38:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) In-Reply-To: <477AC858.40400@gmail.com> Message-ID: Al: I can play movies from everywhere else but maybe the problem flicks are made with something incompatible with my Windoze Media Player. I think I'll wait and see if it fixes itself. Don't want to spend time away from the shop fiddling with some arcane Windoze stuff. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 05:10 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy New Year to all > (belatedly)(resend) > > > The .wmv files run OK for me on Media Player > Classic. Your > player sounds (pun not intended) like it can't > locate a codec > to play the movies. > > HTH > > Al Harris > Also in Oz. > > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > Jerry: > > > > I could load your web page (after fixing the > typo), but when I tried to run the movies, the > player loaded but said there was some problem > with the files. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Jan 1 15:40:23 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:40:23 +1300 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home References: <20080101.145841.1628.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c84ccf$add7ee50$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Ron impressive very ingenious method worked a treat well done.. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] What did my son drag home > Hi Paul. > This is how I straightened the crank on my Witte Diesel. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31185124&f= > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:32:41 -0500 "Paul Waugh" > writes: > > Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a > > list of > > serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your tag > > we can > > not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that > > was > > about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has > > been > > dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions on > > this > > but I don't keep many emails. > > > > Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now > > getting high > > winds > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jan 1 16:11:05 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:11:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home In-Reply-To: <013401c84cc6$391a2730$6401a8c0@PaulNew> References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <08E41516-C7D9-4D37-A1F8-C883665011DE@alltel.net> <013401c84cc6$391a2730$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <8CEB0860-388C-4146-A044-B0EFDC86D29F@alltel.net> There is no list of Ottawa S/N-Date. Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 1, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: > Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a > list of > serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your > tag we can > not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that > was > about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has been > dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions > on this > but I don't keep many emails. > > Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now > getting high > winds > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] What did my son drag home > > >> Hi Paul, You are not really asking for identification are you? >> Dave >> PS, See the last few at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ >> Cotton_Ginning_2006/index.html >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow >>> the link to help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of >>> fresh snow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E >>> or F) 12199 >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Paul Waugh - Indiana >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alharris44 at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 16:35:15 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 11:35:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly)(resend) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <477ADC43.509@gmail.com> Elden, you tempted me. The Maytag wmv (which I recovered from my cache) runs on: WMPlayer 7.1 Media Player Classic MPlayer for Windows Maybe it doesn't want to "stream" in "real time", if that's what you attempted to do. I'm fiddling too, with a leaking petrol tank on one of my Roseberys so I'm off back to it. Cheers, Al Elden DuRand wrote: > Al: > > I can play movies from everywhere else but maybe the problem flicks are made with something incompatible with my Windoze Media Player. > > I think I'll wait and see if it fixes itself. Don't want to spend time away from the shop fiddling with some arcane Windoze stuff. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Jan 1 16:44:25 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:44:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew><08E41516-C7D9-4D37-A1F8-C883665011DE@alltel.net><013401c84cc6$391a2730$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <8CEB0860-388C-4146-A044-B0EFDC86D29F@alltel.net> Message-ID: <016901c84cd8$a0432120$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Haha I am finding that out, so I wrote Helen off line to maybe give me an estimate of years TX Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What did my son drag home > There is no list of Ottawa S/N-Date. > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: > >> Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a >> list of >> serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your >> tag we can >> not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that >> was >> about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has been >> dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions >> on this >> but I don't keep many emails. >> >> Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now >> getting high >> winds >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] What did my son drag home >> >> >>> Hi Paul, You are not really asking for identification are you? >>> Dave >>> PS, See the last few at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ >>> Cotton_Ginning_2006/index.html >>> >>> >>> -------- >>> David Rotigel >>> rotigel at alltel.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> My son went to an auction on this first day of the year. follow >>>> the link to help identify what he drug home through 6 inches of >>>> fresh snow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22434432 at N08/ ser no T (E >>>> or F) 12199 >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Paul Waugh - Indiana >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jan 2 00:48:53 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:48:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! References: <4778493E.2090102@steamengine.com.au> <477913C0.4060703@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <05a301c84d1c$51087170$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Good! Bloody sure his punishment, if any, will make the 'News' Bring back the gun!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Does the New Year crankup still happen? ... and its bloody HOT here! > Happy New Year everyone. It was a good thing that we ran a fire patrol > today. As expected the diesel caused no fires at all, but an arsonist > had set the 50' high trestle bridge alight with fireworks (by pointing > them down into the ballast next to sleepers). I was able to put out the > fires by digging out the ballast then using the fire pump on the > trolley. I put a lot of water into it before it was extinguished fully. > > Police attended and to my amazement actually caught a bloke who was > hiding in the bushes lineside watching. > > At least our CEO will remember my name now! I get the dubious honour of > submitting the first Incident/Defect Report for 2008. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Pavlinovich wrote: >> I'll be on Fire Patrol duty at Puffing Billy Railway driving behind a >> special New Year's train tonight so I won't be cranking up any of my own >> engines but I will be cranking up one of our Fire Patrol trolleys - NK2. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 2 00:58:33 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:58:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD Message-ID: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> I know , I have asked this question before but it is confusing with the answers that I have received from other quarters If I sent a DVD ,produced here in Australia and it was done using the PAL system ,to the USA ,could it be played . I know that the system used in the US is NTSC but conflicting reports come to me about it's playability! The DVD player that my friend in the US has is an Insignia DVD100121 Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From astfgl at iamnota.org Wed Jan 2 02:22:30 2008 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:22:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <477B65E6.3010604@iamnota.org> Without knowing some exact details on the DVD in question it's impossible to say, as everything hangs on that DVD's Region Code. I'll give a general answer, though, and you can apply it to that DVD and future ones, too. Short answer: Probably not. (Ha, there's an outside chance! Now you have to keep reading....) Long answer and some options: A bit of googling found the manual for his player [Note 1] which states that it only plays DVDs which are flagged Region Code 1 or ALL. There's lots of people asking for instructions to make it region free, but no-one is answering positively or reporting success. If the DVD you have is commercially produced for the Australian market, it is probably flagged Region Code 4 [Note 2], and only players sold for that region (or hacked to play any region) will play it. Even if the DVD is commercially produced, it may (rarely) have been manufactured with the ALL flag. Most DVD cases show the region along with the rating, runtime, languages, etc on the back. It's shown as the number superimposed on a globe and surrounded with a round cornered box. If it's from a small producer who burns their own, you may be able to ask them to burn you one flagged with Region Code 1. You may also be able to ask them for written permission to make, and possibly pay for, a single copy yourself. You would have to "rip" the disk to a PC, then burn it back to blank DVD with a new Region Code. If the DVD is dual layer, ie larger than 4.7Gb, you would either need to burn it to a DL-DVD in a DL capable drive, or "shrink" it by re-encoding it at a slightly lower quality to make it fit on a single layer DVD. Of course, with a similar permission, you could also record it to a VHS tape, as your friend's machine is a VHS/DVD combo and is reported [Note 3] to playback PAL tapes. Finally, he could buy a cheap ($20-$30) player which is known to have a region free hack available or from Mexico which is Region 4 [Note 2] just like us. [1] [2] [3] BTW, and only slightly related, DVDs are also either PAL or NTSC, but most players will convert the DVD format to the format of the television they're displaying the picture on. I have the Australian Opera's production of /The Mikado/, but it is only available from Amazon in the USA. My player is region free and plays the disk, but it has to convert the 24fps NTSC signal to 25fps PAL for my TV, and so the picture stutters slightly as it has to display 1 frame out of each 24 twice. Usually a player showing a PAL signal on an NTSC TV will drop 1 frame in 25. Of course, many modern televisions are capable of displaying both PAL and NTSC signals at their proper rates, so it is possible with the right equipment and lots of remote control button pressing to configure both the DVD and TV to display the native format on the disk. Cheers, glen. peter ogborne wrote: > I know , I have asked this question before but it is confusing with the > answers that I have received from other quarters > If I sent a DVD ,produced here in Australia and it was done using the PAL > system ,to the USA ,could it be played . > I know that the system used in the US is NTSC but conflicting reports come > to me about it's playability! > The DVD player that my friend in the US has is an Insignia DVD100121 > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 2 03:13:03 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:13:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: DVD ...playability Message-ID: <005f01c84d30$75065f60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: < Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: DVD ...playability > Glen ,thank you very much for that informative reply ,you obviously know > what you are talking about . > What a pity it is that there is no straight foreword way of swapping this > form of media between ourselves . > My friend does not use his DVD player much due to the difficulty he > experiences,he complains of having to use three remotes! > Thanks again Glen I'll try and work through it! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Jan 2 03:58:24 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:58:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: DVD ...playability In-Reply-To: <005f01c84d30$75065f60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001201c84d36$c751aad0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Peter I don't know if this helps but my DVD player only played Region 4 or All. However, I googled the model number and found the code to re-set it so that it plays any region. I had a Region 1 DVD that I couldn't play now I can. I am of the opinion that manufacturers don't make a model for each region, Just one model set with the code for the area in which it is being sold. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2008 10:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fw: DVD ...playability ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: < Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: DVD ...playability > Glen ,thank you very much for that informative reply ,you obviously know > what you are talking about . > What a pity it is that there is no straight foreword way of swapping this > form of media between ourselves . > My friend does not use his DVD player much due to the difficulty he > experiences,he complains of having to use three remotes! > Thanks again Glen I'll try and work through it! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 30/12/2007 11:27 AM From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 2 09:57:23 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:57:23 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080102195449.00bc2510@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 02/01/2008, you wrote: >From: >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:42 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I've been busy over the holidays doing updates to the Lorenz and Benz > > engine > > registry. If any of you have Lorenz or Benz engines, please send the > > details > > to me so that I can include the engines in the register. > > > > > Arnie Fero Hi Arnie, Do you still have the details of the Lorenz's in South Africa or do you need me to resend? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 2 11:14:50 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:14:50 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year to all (belatedly) Message-ID: <200801022120250.SM00488@Laptop.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 02/01/2008, you wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:44:55 -0600 >From: "Elden DuRand" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy Ne Year to all (belatedly) > >Jerry: >I couldn't get the movies to load. All I got was an error message (not >uncommon on Windoze machines). >Has anyone else had the problem with these files? >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Hi Elden and others, **********I Know that there are a few guys on the list who swear that Maytags don't run but now you're saying that even a video of a Maytag won't run - This is ridiculous !!!!! :-) *********** I've had a few replies to this of guys having problems but strangely some say that the .mpg of the Wolseley won't play and others say that the "Windoze Media" file of the Maytag will not run. Others have been able to play both or neither so it must have to do with the configuration of individual computers. They run on all 3 of my machines on Windoze 98, Windoze 2000 and XP. This is the first time I've posted video to the net but think that it may be to do with upgraded codecs that Windows Media player needs to download. (Of course I do not expect guys to do this for silly little videos posted by idiots (me, in this case)- working on engines is far more important). So I'll experiment a bit to find the best format that will work on anyone's machine. One thing that does come to mind is that this was not saved as "streaming video". Did you download it to your disk and try to play it from there? If anyone has more experience of putting small video files on their sites please give me some tips (Lets keep it "Off List" and not clutter up the list). Here are how I made the 2 videos - if anyone can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. Both were filmed with my Fuji Finepix digital camera and saved as .avi files. 1)The Maytag file was edited and produced on Windows Movie Maker ver. 2.1.4026.0 standard with my version of Windoze XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2. "Properties" Tells me that the Audio Codec is "Windows Media Audio 9 and the Video Codec is "Windows Media Video 9" 2) The Wolseley file was edited produced using Pinnacle Studio ver. 7.07.1. on another computer running Windoze 98 Second edition using the mpeg codec. I have had this programme for a good few years as it's what I use to edit video from my Sony Digital Video camera so the codecs are probably older and more compatible on older machines. Thanks in advance for any help and apologies to those who battled with the existing files. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 12:32:49 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:32:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f6025160801021232k460c78acrd39f61354c8c6c25@mail.gmail.com> On 02/01/2008, peter ogborne wrote: > I know , I have asked this question before but it is confusing with the > answers that I have received from other quarters On a PC, Windows Media Player should display a DVD created on another PC, but a DVD disc created for TV is another animal altogether. Most DVD players that we have bought in the USA over the past few years have had NTSC and PAL selections on the remote control, we have three here in the UK that we can play both types on if we want. As far as Region Stamping goes, look for a DVD Hack in Google to convert the DVD player to "Region 0" or "Region Free". We brought one back last trip for the grandchildren, it has a universal input (110-240V) and has all the options, plus it has been "converted" to Region 0 (Zero) Tim has a UK TV at home in Phoenix so we always double-check these things before buying... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 2 13:38:24 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:38:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801021232k460c78acrd39f61354c8c6c25@mail.gmail.com> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <6f6025160801021232k460c78acrd39f61354c8c6c25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, FWIW, on the last trip to the UK I bought a Doc Martin DVD. I just love that program. I discovered to my horror that my Sony DVD player wouldn't play it cos it was "out of region." Whatever DVD player software came with my Dell PC was able to play it with no problems. The only downsides are the PC monitor is nowhere near as nice as the TV and the chair at the PC ain't no comfy La-Z-Boy. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > On a PC, Windows Media Player should display a DVD created on another > PC, but a DVD disc created for TV is another animal altogether. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jan 2 12:59:50 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:59:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><6f6025160801021232k460c78acrd39f61354c8c6c25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905800C13@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Arnie, You just need a bigger PC monitor and a better office chair ;-) George Ps... I saw your message about working on the Czech engine registery, but I didn't notice any changes on your website. So are your updates not viewable? -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ....DVD Hi Peter, FWIW, on the last trip to the UK I bought a Doc Martin DVD. I just love that program. I discovered to my horror that my Sony DVD player wouldn't play it cos it was "out of region." Whatever DVD player software came with my Dell PC was able to play it with no problems. The only downsides are the PC monitor is nowhere near as nice as the TV and the chair at the PC ain't no comfy La-Z-Boy. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > On a PC, Windows Media Player should display a DVD created on another > PC, but a DVD disc created for TV is another animal altogether. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 2 14:13:00 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:13:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><6f6025160801021232k460c78acrd39f61354c8c6c25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002701c84d8c$a71ac9d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Right ,I will try and instruct my US friend how to view it on his PC.........thanks for the info one and all.I even had a Skype call from Dave Croft last night telling me to contact Curt Andree.........are you there Curt? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ....DVD > Hi Peter, > > FWIW, on the last trip to the UK I bought a Doc Martin DVD. I just love > that program. I discovered to my horror that my Sony DVD player wouldn't > play it cos it was "out of region." > > Whatever DVD player software came with my Dell PC was able to play it with > no problems. The only downsides are the PC monitor is nowhere near as > nice as the TV and the chair at the PC ain't no comfy La-Z-Boy. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > >> On a PC, Windows Media Player should display a DVD created on another >> PC, but a DVD disc created for TV is another animal altogether. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 15:23:41 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 23:23:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested Message-ID: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> We are trying to get hold of: Doug Kragh (William Douglas Kragh) Beaverton, Oregon USA (503) 524-7022 It is related to a genealogy matter. Rita was looking for her Great-Grandmother's birthplace, and while searching for the details, Doug's name cropped up with an AOL email address. That email is dead now, and I have tried calling his number but he may well be at work or on vacation as there was no reply. If anyone is near to that location, and has a minute, could they try and contact Doug for us and get a valid email address please? The linkage is a place called "Blands Open" in Chester-Le-Street, County Durham, UK. His relative's name is Wilkinson. He would probably need that detail before he would give his email details to anyone cold-calling. We found the place today, and would like to contact him so we can pass on further info. Any help from the Lists would be very much appreciated. Peter & Rita -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Jan 2 18:44:49 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:44:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Isn't that where George Best resides???> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 23:23:41 +0000> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested> > We are trying to get hold of:> > Doug Kragh (William Douglas Kragh)> Beaverton,> Oregon> USA> > (503) 524-7022> > It is related to a genealogy matter. Rita was looking for her> Great-Grandmother's birthplace, and while searching for the details,> Doug's name cropped up with an AOL email address.> > That email is dead now, and I have tried calling his number but he may> well be at work or on vacation as there was no reply.> > If anyone is near to that location, and has a minute, could they try> and contact Doug for us and get a valid email address please?> > The linkage is a place called "Blands Open" in Chester-Le-Street,> County Durham, UK. His relative's name is Wilkinson. He would probably> need that detail before he would give his email details to anyone> cold-calling.> > We found the place today, and would like to contact him so we can pass> on further info.> > Any help from the Lists would be very much appreciated.> > Peter & Rita> -- > Peter A Forbes> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel> http://stationary-engine.co.uk> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 19:06:47 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:06:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <355631.50765.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is what I got from switchboard.com. WILL KRAGHBEAVERTON, OR 97005(503) 524-7022 The phone number is right,,,, I wonder just which part of his name he likes? 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Listerdiesel wrote: We are trying to get hold of: Doug Kragh (William Douglas Kragh) Beaverton, Oregon USA (503) 524-7022 It is related to a genealogy matter. Rita was looking for her Great-Grandmother's birthplace, and while searching for the details, Doug's name cropped up with an AOL email address. That email is dead now, and I have tried calling his number but he may well be at work or on vacation as there was no reply. If anyone is near to that location, and has a minute, could they try and contact Doug for us and get a valid email address please? The linkage is a place called "Blands Open" in Chester-Le-Street, County Durham, UK. His relative's name is Wilkinson. He would probably need that detail before he would give his email details to anyone cold-calling. We found the place today, and would like to contact him so we can pass on further info. Any help from the Lists would be very much appreciated. Peter & Rita -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Jan 3 07:23:29 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:23:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Peter, I live near Beaverton (I have a Beaverton address although I live out in the country) and I can try calling him today. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:24 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested We are trying to get hold of: Doug Kragh (William Douglas Kragh) Beaverton, Oregon USA (503) 524-7022 It is related to a genealogy matter. Rita was looking for her Great-Grandmother's birthplace, and while searching for the details, Doug's name cropped up with an AOL email address. That email is dead now, and I have tried calling his number but he may well be at work or on vacation as there was no reply. If anyone is near to that location, and has a minute, could they try and contact Doug for us and get a valid email address please? The linkage is a place called "Blands Open" in Chester-Le-Street, County Durham, UK. His relative's name is Wilkinson. He would probably need that detail before he would give his email details to anyone cold-calling. We found the place today, and would like to contact him so we can pass on further info. Any help from the Lists would be very much appreciated. Peter & Rita -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 08:01:28 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:01:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> On 03/01/2008, Best, George wrote: > Peter, > > I live near Beaverton (I have a Beaverton address although I live out in > the country) and I can try calling him today. > > George That's very kind of you, George, many thanks! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Thu Jan 3 10:08:14 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:08:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no one sees a need for another? I know that many years ago these email lists were handy because some people (like myself) had email, but didn't have internet access. I have internet access now, but in the beginning of ATIS I only had email. Curious as to whether anyone on the list still only has email access. I still like the email list as you can often get responses quicker. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jan 3 11:34:35 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:34:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, My two cents worth is that those who prefer the web-thread-based style primarily post on Harry's. Those who prefer the email style post on SEL or Old Engine. SOME even prefer the British newsgroup style. 8-)) And some even post to all of 'em (at least from time to time). I think the main difference is that with the web-based you have to go to the info and search it. With the email version, it comes to you in an undifferentiated flow, made even worse by the fact that folks rarely change the subject lines. I visit a number of the web-based forums on a number of topics; Harry's for engines and a bunch of others that are firearms related. I usually scroll through the list of threads and only open a couple that might interest me. I miss a lot that way and I also rarely develop any feel for who the characters are on that forum. For that reason, I do like the email versions. To each his own I think. I really don't see any unique value in adding a web-based service to ATIS. Harry's seems to be perfectly adequate in that regard. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Best, George wrote: > I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. > > Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no one > sees a need for another? > > I know that many years ago these email lists were handy because some > people (like myself) had email, but didn't have internet access. I have > internet access now, but in the beginning of ATIS I only had email. > > Curious as to whether anyone on the list still only has email access. > > I still like the email list as you can often get responses quicker. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 11:58:48 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:58:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801031158m69943780jb2b5e3e55f4748c8@mail.gmail.com> On 03/01/2008, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi George, > > My two cents worth is that those who prefer the web-thread-based style > primarily post on Harry's. Those who prefer the email style post on SEL > or Old Engine. SOME even prefer the British newsgroup style. 8-)) > And some even post to all of 'em (at least from time to time). > Perhaps to answer both posts: When there was only dial-up access, the Bulletin Boards probably accounted for a large percentage of this sort of traffic (on different subjects) and like many of the older folks here, I spent a lot of time on them. Since the web explosion in the past 8-10 years and with the advent of 24-hour broadband access, there are possibly too many forums now, and the attendances are being diluted. I am involved with Smokstak and Oldengine, but I'd be happy to see the ATIS forum flourish, Spencer has put a lot of time onto the hobby on our behalf and deserves to see it run. The Usenet newsgroups are a peculiarity to Usenet, not just the UK, and there are over 100,000 of them now. You also have the various groups organised by Yahoo and Google. I find, like Arnie, that half a dozen is probably as much as you can pay any great attention to and keep track of the posts and people, the others are just occasionally visited. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jan 3 12:14:29 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:14:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801031158m69943780jb2b5e3e55f4748c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801031158m69943780jb2b5e3e55f4748c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1372.12.223.26.26.1199391269.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I dunno - might try when the season comes back around. OTOH, my hands are full now running/hosting/administering http://theamcforum.com In 6 months we've built nearly 500 members and get hundreds of posts a week. It's a community with groups and friends, BUT it requires "watching over" as some come in and tend to ruin or run things, where with email like this, well, it's just different. (feel free to check and see how it's organized) It's nice with a forum you can post a picture ONE TIME and all can see, even those who join next week. Those who want to get "off-topic" can do so in the off-topic banter area I've setup for them. I still like the email list like this as I have a folder where all of the SEL messages go, then can further file things in categories, or delete if I wish. I like that part. But with the forum, I have it setup so that if you post a question, you can get an email telling you of any replies, and the forum post is actually included IN the email. It's even got RSS feed! So you can watch forum messages roll right into Outlook (or your favorite RSS reader) So in a way, our AMC forum is the best of all worlds. I dunno, I still like this, but haven't really given Harry's or even the new ATIS site a REAL chance. I think to some extent, it's information overload............ Geesh, did THAT ever make sense! Bill > On 03/01/2008, Arnie Fero wrote: >> Hi George, >> >> My two cents worth is that those who prefer the web-thread-based style >> primarily post on Harry's. Those who prefer the email style post on SEL >> or Old Engine. SOME even prefer the British newsgroup style. 8-)) >> And some even post to all of 'em (at least from time to time). >> > > Perhaps to answer both posts: > > When there was only dial-up access, the Bulletin Boards probably > accounted for a large percentage of this sort of traffic (on different > subjects) and like many of the older folks here, I spent a lot of time > on them. > > Since the web explosion in the past 8-10 years and with the advent of > 24-hour broadband access, there are possibly too many forums now, and > the attendances are being diluted. > > I am involved with Smokstak and Oldengine, but I'd be happy to see the > ATIS forum flourish, Spencer has put a lot of time onto the hobby on > our behalf and deserves to see it run. > > The Usenet newsgroups are a peculiarity to Usenet, not just the UK, > and there are over 100,000 of them now. You also have the various > groups organised by Yahoo and Google. > > I find, like Arnie, that half a dozen is probably as much as you can > pay any great attention to and keep track of the posts and people, the > others are just occasionally visited. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Jan 3 14:57:03 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:57:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6BC8900F-DC9B-49DE-84A2-CDC92D83FCB5@rustyiron.com> On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Best, George wrote: > I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. > > Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no > one > sees a need for another? > > I know that many years ago these email lists were handy because some > people (like myself) had email, but didn't have internet access. I > have > internet access now, but in the beginning of ATIS I only had email. > > Curious as to whether anyone on the list still only has email access. > > I still like the email list as you can often get responses quicker. > > George Because web based message exchange is not nearly as pragmatic as email. I think the popularity of web forums is fed by the aol/webtv crowd who are force fed browser based email, and therefore don't really differentiate between web forums and mailing lists. Rob From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 3 15:02:15 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:02:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] What did my son drag home In-Reply-To: <013401c84cc6$391a2730$6401a8c0@PaulNew> References: <00c501c84caa$3757c770$6401a8c0@PaulNew> <08E41516-C7D9-4D37-A1F8-C883665011DE@alltel.net> <013401c84cc6$391a2730$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <477D6977.1060401@steamengine.com.au> My Ottawa 4hp has a bent crank on the flywheel side and it doesn't seem to bother the engine. There is a noticeable wobble in the flywheel and if the engine's skids arn't pegged down then it tends to go around in circles! The flywheel is straight (I wouldn't run it otherwise). It partly cured itself a couple of years or so ago when I was showing it a Lake Goldsmith at Beaufort in Victoria. That part cure has a sad side to it though - I showed another exhibitor how to shut it down and asked him to keep an eye on it while I wandered the show (as I had done for him earlier that day). When I got back it was lieing on its side going around and around in circles. The guy who has supposed to be looking after it was nowhere to be seen. Others said it oversped then fell over before they figured out how to kill it. It kept going until it broke the magneto trip arm then all quiet. I've made a new trip arm for it, but I have not showed it again. Not until I get time to get it onto a proper cart with wide enough stance to not fall over. The current skids are just too narrow. Paul Paul Waugh wrote: > Yes Dave I was .. but I think Helen answered it, now looking for a list of > serial numbers so can come up with a year year. Even seeing your tag we can > not read the word Ottawa on his. I knew it was a drag saw, but that was > about it. Next question is what to do with a bent crank. It has been > dropped on flywheel side. I know there have been many discussions on this > but I don't keep many emails. > > Paul & Andrew Waugh in Indiana with 6 inches fresh snow and now getting high > winds > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Jan 3 15:11:37 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:11:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > SOME even prefer the British newsgroup style. 8-)) Hey now! USENET was developed by a couple of hillbillies in North Carolina. Usage is not nearly as elegant as the web or email. High level anonymity is preserved, for those who have something to hide. Because of its navigational complexity and lack of serious support by big software vendors, USENET will eventually go the way of the PINE email client, and fade to nothingness. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 3 15:20:03 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:20:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <477D6DA3.2010709@steamengine.com.au> Hi George, I find that forums are best to visit "after" and search for answers. When they're well run and well maintained the entire forum becomes a FAQ that you can mine for valuable information. There is little or no encouragement to post on them or do a running read unless you're very interested in the subject. This is partly because they're slow. With an email list its all there, sitting on my PC whenever I care to read - I run at the speed that my PC will give me the messages. With web forums I have to wait for the pages to load -. No, I'm not without broadband - but even with broadband pages are still "slow" - guess I'm spoilt - why would I want to wait for 4 seconds when I can read email with 0 seconds wait time? Another down side is that forums often vanish without warning. So far the SEL (and other lists I'm a member of have demonstrated their longevity). With a list, if one person can no longer run the service then another can take over almost seemlessly (e.g. Brice handing the SEL over to Spencer all those years ago) - this is much harder with a forum. Unless you both run the same base kernel (or OS version for windows people), same database, same version of PHP (or other web language of choice e.g. ASP.net), same version of the forum software, etc, etc, etc then it is damn near impossible to back up one forum database and bring it up on another server. This is the reason I've never put forum software on Steam & Engine (www.steamengine.com.au) - I've been tempted many times and actually have forum software on the test machine to see how it works - but I've always resisted turning it on because I think the ATIS Steam list and the COALS list that I host adequately handle the need. Forums must be actively managed by one or a small group of administrators. Email lists are self governing with anyone able to step up to the plate and accept the role of policeman on those few occasions when it is necessary to do so. Forum admins can (and often do) go power mad which just upsets people and loses the spirit of community that takes much time to build and often cannot be rebuilt. Forums can also be comment spammed by unscrupulous people either seeking to destroy the forum (disgruntled member) or people jamming it full of advertising and phishing scams. These messages have to be managed and deleted. This can turn into a lot of work for an individual to handle. This is the reason I turned off the guestbooks on my site. Yes, there are software ways to block these posts, but they always find a way around your block. It is hard to stay one step ahead. My current incarnation of the Steam & Engine databases takes the user's update and sends it to me. If I think the update is worth it then I manually approve it for publication. This means I get about 2,000 messages per day for rubbish updates. I lose a LOT of proper updates as it is difficult to find them in the spam chaff. Regards Paul Best, George wrote: > I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. > > Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no one > sees a need for another? > > I know that many years ago these email lists were handy because some > people (like myself) had email, but didn't have internet access. I have > internet access now, but in the beginning of ATIS I only had email. > > Curious as to whether anyone on the list still only has email access. > > I still like the email list as you can often get responses quicker. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 3 15:31:56 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:31:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> Not supported by big vendors? NNTP server: news.microsoft.com Admitedly they use the news groups to syndicate their technical forums - but the microsoft.public.* and microsoft.msdn.* newsgroups certainly exist! You might hate them but you cannot say they're not a big vendor! ps. I wouldn't say PINE was quite dead yet... there are die-hards keeping it up to date (check the "Updated" date below on PINE's entry at www.freshmeat.net) *EXACT MATCH:* **Pine** Tool for reading, sending, and managing electronic messages Homepage Changelog Subscribe Ignore Rate *Author:* University of Washington *[Environment]* Console (Text Based) *[Intended Audience]* End Users/Desktop *[License]* Free To Use But Restricted *[Topic]* Communications :: Email Added: *07-Mar-1998* Updated: *27-Dec-2007* Rating: *8.39/10.00* Vitality: *0.01%* Popularity: *9.42%* License: *Free To Use But Restricted * Version: *4.64* Paul Rob Skinner wrote: > On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> SOME even prefer the British newsgroup style. 8-)) >> > > Hey now! USENET was developed by a couple of hillbillies in North > Carolina. Usage is not nearly as elegant as the web or email. High > level anonymity is preserved, for those who have something to hide. > > Because of its navigational complexity and lack of serious support by > big software vendors, USENET will eventually go the way of the PINE > email client, and fade to nothingness. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jan 3 16:25:42 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:25:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: ROFLMAO!! Hey there Mac-boy, I'm reading this as we speak from a PC Window Xterm on a Unix box here at work telnetted to my ISP's Unix box where I happen to be running pine as an email reader. So there... 8-P Been doin' that since Hector was a pup. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Rob Skinner wrote: > Because of its navigational complexity and lack of serious support by > big software vendors, USENET will eventually go the way of the PINE > email client, and fade to nothingness. From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jan 3 15:35:57 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:35:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <477D6DA3.2010709@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <008701c84e61$69478c30$f800a8c0@sheeba> You mention some things that we've covered in our theamcforum.com SPAMMING is prevented by the software. Members MUST use a valid email address and confirm by clicking a link. The register, CAPTCHA is used to prevent automation, they can't automatically join and create bogus users. We can restrict access or ban based on several criteria. I am the administrator and hold all the keys, however, I've written documentation that prevents what's happened to a couple of AMC forums in the past - the admin vanishes and so does the forum. I've documented everything, and given that info to the other 5 mods, all passwords, etc. the whole shooting match is backed up every night. I also do local backups of the forum sofware AND the sql database, burn it to CD and give copies to the others. Even if the ISP goes away, we can get back in business in hours. The software is secure (we pay, we don't use FREEWARE) SQL makes it faster than most text file based forums, and the software is written to make minimal SQL requests, and closes the connection quickly. This forum will not disappear, we got together and formed a sort of loose "club" to prevent that. If I die tonight, it might take a few hours for them to sort out certain "how do we" but they CAN continue. If the ISP loses a server, the stuff is simply restored elsewhere. MS servers and SQL database means we pay money, but donations from a few key AMC folks has it covered. (there are enough AMC addicts to ensure this will continue) The load is pretty well distributed and there are enough of us, and to a large extent, the caliber of folks we have makes it somewhat self-policing. We've been told "this is the best AMC forum yet" and "this forum is so helpful and friendly" and "I actually feel at home here for the first time on any forum". We have our bases covered SO well, we have the coveted documents of an AMC historian, Tom Benvie. The forum I put up and we jointly mod and maintain is the first one he's ever felt comfortable enough with to post his rare and unique documents and photos. There also exists software to enable database conversion for this forum software we use. SQL is pretty widely used and it can even be ported to MYSQL fairly easily. Forums can and do work with the right forumula and the right people. The real trick is to let the personality of the forum be a mix of the admin, mods and members without any one overwhelming the others. But granted, they are NOT right for everyone! Never will be............ Bill -----Original Message----- From: Paul Pavlinovich [mailto:pjp at steamengine.com.au] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curious Hi George, I find that forums are best to visit "after" and search for answers. When they're well run and well maintained the entire forum becomes a FAQ that you can mine for valuable information. There is little or no encouragement to post on them or do a running read unless you're very interested in the subject. This is partly because they're slow. With an email list its all there, sitting on my PC whenever I care to read - I run at the speed that my PC will give me the messages. With web forums I have to wait for the pages to load -. No, I'm not without broadband - but even with broadband pages are still "slow" - guess I'm spoilt - why would I want to wait for 4 seconds when I can read email with 0 seconds wait time? Another down side is that forums often vanish without warning. So far the SEL (and other lists I'm a member of have demonstrated their longevity). With a list, if one person can no longer run the service then another can take over almost seemlessly (e.g. Brice handing the SEL over to Spencer all those years ago) - this is much harder with a forum. Unless you both run the same base kernel (or OS version for windows people), same database, same version of PHP (or other web language of choice e.g. ASP.net), same version of the forum software, etc, etc, etc then it is damn near impossible to back up one forum database and bring it up on another server. This is the reason I've never put forum software on Steam & Engine (www.steamengine.com.au) - I've been tempted many times and actually have forum software on the test machine to see how it works - but I've always resisted turning it on because I think the ATIS Steam list and the COALS list that I host adequately handle the need. Forums must be actively managed by one or a small group of administrators. Email lists are self governing with anyone able to step up to the plate and accept the role of policeman on those few occasions when it is necessary to do so. Forum admins can (and often do) go power mad which just upsets people and loses the spirit of community that takes much time to build and often cannot be rebuilt. Forums can also be comment spammed by unscrupulous people either seeking to destroy the forum (disgruntled member) or people jamming it full of advertising and phishing scams. These messages have to be managed and deleted. This can turn into a lot of work for an individual to handle. This is the reason I turned off the guestbooks on my site. Yes, there are software ways to block these posts, but they always find a way around your block. It is hard to stay one step ahead. My current incarnation of the Steam & Engine databases takes the user's update and sends it to me. If I think the update is worth it then I manually approve it for publication. This means I get about 2,000 messages per day for rubbish updates. I lose a LOT of proper updates as it is difficult to find them in the spam chaff. Regards Paul Best, George wrote: > I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. > > Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no > one sees a need for another? > > I know that many years ago these email lists were handy because some > people (like myself) had email, but didn't have internet access. I > have internet access now, but in the beginning of ATIS I only had email. > > Curious as to whether anyone on the list still only has email access. > > I still like the email list as you can often get responses quicker. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Thu Jan 3 15:41:38 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:41:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <200801032341.m03Nfj4L020560@mail-gw.fsr.net> I suspect Smokstak has a great deal to do with it. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:08 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Curious I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no one sees a need for another? Snip From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Jan 3 15:56:27 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:56:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Changelog > Subscribe > > Ignore > %3Dprojects> > Rate *Author:* University of Washington That's quite a compelling argument, Paul. But if I had to understand what you just typed in order to use PINE, I'd switch to the United States Postal Service. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jan 3 16:51:06 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:51:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: AND you'll find pine available on virtually any Unix box you might need to use. I suppose Rob would go off on another rant if anyone dared to mention vi? 8-))) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > ps. I wouldn't say PINE was quite dead yet... there are die-hards > keeping it up to date (check the "Updated" date below on PINE's entry at > www.freshmeat.net) From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 3 16:32:10 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:32:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <008701c84e61$69478c30$f800a8c0@sheeba> References: <008701c84e61$69478c30$f800a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: <477D7E8A.4070604@steamengine.com.au> Hi Bill, Your team is a rare one mate! Well done on such forward thinking - your forum will probably succeed long term partly because you have a limited and dedicated audience and because you are running it well. If all forum sites had the leadership that you discuss then they would all do better. Typically successful sites that I've used or been involved with are those that are commercially managed with people paid to do the moderation. They don't have a political need to one-up the next guy and resist the formation of cliques. Do you allow hotmail, gmail, yahoo, etc email addresses? If you do, then your verification is only as good as their verification (which is negligable). If you only allow a real reverse-lookup domain with a valid MX and a valid email MTA then you're up there with a chance, otherwise you have a little false security there. Not much that you can do but keep mindful of what is being posted. CAPTCHA is a great tool, but it has been broken. Each time it is broken the suppliers of the tool insert some new line here or there to trick the OCR (optical character recognition) so make sure you keep your CAPTCHA software up to date. Of course for someone to break your particular site there has to be some incentive - if your messages are only visible to members then they'll stop - if what they post is automatically visible to the general public then they'll abuse and post spam. I don't know that there is anything wrong with using freeware - it is often better debugged than the commercial offerings (there is also an amazing amount of unmaintained junk). But that is an argument for another list. Whatever fits the purpose best and is within the reach of the people with the need is the best solution. In your case this is paid software on a paid site. Nothing wrong with that choice at all. I'd be happy to discuss site security with your further off list if you like - I've had quite a bit to do with it and may be helpful. I think you've covered it fairly well from what you say about your site, but the general wording does concern me that you think you've done what you need to do. The main key is to remain vigilent. Regards Paul Bill Dickerson wrote: > You mention some things that we've covered in our theamcforum.com > SPAMMING is prevented by the software. Members MUST use a valid email > address and confirm by clicking a link. The register, CAPTCHA is used to > prevent automation, they can't automatically join and create bogus users. > We can restrict access or ban based on several criteria. > I am the administrator and hold all the keys, however, I've written > documentation that prevents what's happened to a couple of AMC forums in the > past - the admin vanishes and so does the forum. I've documented everything, > and given that info to the other 5 mods, all passwords, etc. the whole > shooting match is backed up every night. I also do local backups of the > forum sofware AND the sql database, burn it to CD and give copies to the > others. > Even if the ISP goes away, we can get back in business in hours. > The software is secure (we pay, we don't use FREEWARE) > SQL makes it faster than most text file based forums, and the software is > written to make minimal SQL requests, and closes the connection quickly. > This forum will not disappear, we got together and formed a sort of loose > "club" to prevent that. If I die tonight, it might take a few hours for them > to sort out certain "how do we" but they CAN continue. If the ISP loses a > server, the stuff is simply restored elsewhere. MS servers and SQL database > means we pay money, but donations from a few key AMC folks has it covered. > (there are enough AMC addicts to ensure this will continue) > The load is pretty well distributed and there are enough of us, and to a > large extent, the caliber of folks we have makes it somewhat self-policing. > We've been told "this is the best AMC forum yet" and "this forum is so > helpful and friendly" and "I actually feel at home here for the first time > on any forum". > We have our bases covered SO well, we have the coveted documents of an AMC > historian, Tom Benvie. The forum I put up and we jointly mod and maintain is > the first one he's ever felt comfortable enough with to post his rare and > unique documents and photos. > There also exists software to enable database conversion for this forum > software we use. SQL is pretty widely used and it can even be ported to > MYSQL fairly easily. > Forums can and do work with the right forumula and the right people. The > real trick is to let the personality of the forum be a mix of the admin, > mods and members without any one overwhelming the others. > > But granted, they are NOT right for everyone! Never will be............ > > Bill > > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jan 3 17:19:49 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:19:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <477D7E8A.4070604@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000601c84e6f$e8e83e90$f800a8c0@sheeba> Thanks Paul, I may just contact you. You are never done as far as security. The bad guys have a lot of resources and keep trying. Security alone can be a full-time job. My son uses gmail............ He lives in Korea and needs the "portability" it allows (and the price is right) Unfortunately, a lot of "legit" businesses use those mail providers, it's hard to say "no" and lose major players. We are watchful, however, and are working with the software vendor on more changes - requirements, etc. I've found he's a security nut and often won't add features if he believes it will have a negative impact on security.... When some dust settles, I've saved your email.... ;-) Bill -----Original Message----- From: Paul Pavlinovich [mailto:pjp at steamengine.com.au] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curious Hi Bill, Your team is a rare one mate! Well done on such forward thinking - your forum will probably succeed long term partly because you have a limited and dedicated audience and because you are running it well. If all forum sites had the leadership that you discuss then they would all do better. Typically successful sites that I've used or been involved with are those that are commercially managed with people paid to do the moderation. They don't have a political need to one-up the next guy and resist the formation of cliques. Do you allow hotmail, gmail, yahoo, etc email addresses? If you do, then your verification is only as good as their verification (which is negligable). If you only allow a real reverse-lookup domain with a valid MX and a valid email MTA then you're up there with a chance, otherwise you have a little false security there. Not much that you can do but keep mindful of what is being posted. CAPTCHA is a great tool, but it has been broken. Each time it is broken the suppliers of the tool insert some new line here or there to trick the OCR (optical character recognition) so make sure you keep your CAPTCHA software up to date. Of course for someone to break your particular site there has to be some incentive - if your messages are only visible to members then they'll stop - if what they post is automatically visible to the general public then they'll abuse and post spam. I don't know that there is anything wrong with using freeware - it is often better debugged than the commercial offerings (there is also an amazing amount of unmaintained junk). But that is an argument for another list. Whatever fits the purpose best and is within the reach of the people with the need is the best solution. In your case this is paid software on a paid site. Nothing wrong with that choice at all. I'd be happy to discuss site security with your further off list if you like - I've had quite a bit to do with it and may be helpful. I think you've covered it fairly well from what you say about your site, but the general wording does concern me that you think you've done what you need to do. The main key is to remain vigilent. Regards Paul Bill Dickerson wrote: > You mention some things that we've covered in our theamcforum.com > SPAMMING is prevented by the software. Members MUST use a valid email > address and confirm by clicking a link. The register, CAPTCHA is used > to prevent automation, they can't automatically join and create bogus users. > We can restrict access or ban based on several criteria. > I am the administrator and hold all the keys, however, I've written > documentation that prevents what's happened to a couple of AMC forums > in the past - the admin vanishes and so does the forum. I've > documented everything, and given that info to the other 5 mods, all > passwords, etc. the whole shooting match is backed up every night. I > also do local backups of the forum sofware AND the sql database, burn > it to CD and give copies to the others. > Even if the ISP goes away, we can get back in business in hours. > The software is secure (we pay, we don't use FREEWARE) SQL makes it > faster than most text file based forums, and the software is written > to make minimal SQL requests, and closes the connection quickly. > This forum will not disappear, we got together and formed a sort of > loose "club" to prevent that. If I die tonight, it might take a few > hours for them to sort out certain "how do we" but they CAN continue. > If the ISP loses a server, the stuff is simply restored elsewhere. MS > servers and SQL database means we pay money, but donations from a few key AMC folks has it covered. > (there are enough AMC addicts to ensure this will continue) The load > is pretty well distributed and there are enough of us, and to a large > extent, the caliber of folks we have makes it somewhat self-policing. > We've been told "this is the best AMC forum yet" and "this forum is so > helpful and friendly" and "I actually feel at home here for the first > time on any forum". > We have our bases covered SO well, we have the coveted documents of an > AMC historian, Tom Benvie. The forum I put up and we jointly mod and > maintain is the first one he's ever felt comfortable enough with to > post his rare and unique documents and photos. > There also exists software to enable database conversion for this > forum software we use. SQL is pretty widely used and it can even be > ported to MYSQL fairly easily. > Forums can and do work with the right forumula and the right people. > The real trick is to let the personality of the forum be a mix of the > admin, mods and members without any one overwhelming the others. > > But granted, they are NOT right for everyone! Never will be............ > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ddotto at cableone.net Thu Jan 3 18:39:07 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:39:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c84e7a$facc78a0$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> I used to be pretty good with VI on a UNIX box at work; it was the only way for me to use the tractor list and the original engine list. But it has been to many years. I still work there; but the PCs and Windows have taken over. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 3 22:03:05 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:03:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Curious References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000701c84e97$7932cde0$0601a8c0@altech> I still refer the email List, with the forums you have to wade through the posts daily or you miss out and have to back track through them. I only go to Harry's once a week if I have time, and also belong to many other forums for IT, car stuff, insulators, licence plates etc, they are very time consuming. If ATIS went wholly to a forum and dropped the email LIST I probably would not bother any more. My $0.02 worth Peter, Oz > I'm curious as to why people haven't been using the new ATIS forums. > > Is it because Harry's Smokstak already provides that service and no one > sees a need for another? > > I know that many years ago these email lists were handy because some > people (like myself) had email, but didn't have internet access. I have > internet access now, but in the beginning of ATIS I only had email. > > Curious as to whether anyone on the list still only has email access. > > I still like the email list as you can often get responses quicker. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 22:27:11 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:27:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <000701c84e97$7932cde0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <000701c84e97$7932cde0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6f6025160801032227l24c98ae2m7f9bac9d84954703@mail.gmail.com> On 04/01/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > I still refer the email List, with the forums you have to wade through the > posts daily or you miss out and have to back track through them. > I only go to Harry's once a week if I have time, and also belong to many > other forums for IT, car stuff, insulators, licence plates etc, they are > very time consuming. > If ATIS went wholly to a forum and dropped the email LIST I probably would > not bother any more. > My $0.02 worth > > Peter, Oz But.... To run through either of the List's traffic and Smokstak is only seconds in reality, for you know in advance what you are going to look at and what you are not, so in time terms they all take about the same. We use Gmail for all of the Lists, and subject-line scanning on most days will either see a couple of items read or of all of them deleted. Same with Smokstak and the Usenet newsgroups, you just develop a good sense of what is 'likely' to be of interest and what you can safely discard. I keep deleted List traffic for a few days, just in case... Gmail deletes stuff in the deleted folder after 30 days. Most regular emails we keep forever, saved by year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 23:04:54 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:04:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help with Contact Assistance Requested In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801032304j5f79bfe1q1026d5b41fea8b43@mail.gmail.com> On 02/01/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > We are trying to get hold of: > > Doug Kragh (William Douglas Kragh) > Beaverton, > Oregon > USA > Just a quick "Thank You" to all who replied with information, and in particular to George Best who found our man, who has now been in touch. As far as we know, there is no connection between the families, other than this place of birth of two separate people, but it may well turn out that there is linkage, in which case it would be a completely new side of our two families that was hithertoo unknown. Thanks again, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 23:07:29 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:07:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Truck For Sale (From Oldengine.org) Message-ID: <6f6025160801032307g7b7bcf07g56270fbac779c225@mail.gmail.com> Jim Dunmyer posted this on Oldengine, might be of interest: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dodge truck for sale: 1994, Ram 2500, Green/gray, standard cab, 8' bed, SLT package (power windows & locks, tilt/cruise, etc.), Cummins Turbo Diesel, 2WD, auto trans, very good mechanical condition, no major dents, but a bit of body rust. Air bags w/onboard compressor, Tekonsha Prodigy brake controller, reciever hitch, 'A' pillar guages (pyro, boost, trans temp), tires have maybe 10,000 miles, new shocks & exhaust, brakes good. Trans was rebuilt at 122,000 miles, with shift kit added. Only 190,000 miles, starts & runs great, good fuel mileage. I was planning on keeping this truck another couple of years until I ran into a deal on a 2001 that I couldn't pass up. Asking $4500.00 <> <> <> <> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jan 4 02:07:54 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:07:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <477E057A.4070509@steamengine.com.au> Yeah yeah, so it posted in HTML. I'll post it in Swahili next time :) Rob Skinner wrote: > On Jan 3, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > >> Changelog >> Subscribe >> >> Ignore >> > %3Dprojects> >> Rate *Author:* University of Washington >> > > > That's quite a compelling argument, Paul. But if I had to understand > what you just typed in order to use PINE, I'd switch to the United > States Postal Service. > > Rob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jan 4 02:11:27 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:11:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <477E064F.5060509@steamengine.com.au> Arnie... shame on you. Try the modern version vim or even the windowsy gvim. I use it all the time. It is the best cross platform editor I've found. Runs on damn near anything and behaves exactly the same no matter what you run it on. Best yet it can read and quickly display a 2gb trace log file spat out by a mental micro$oft.net application! Regards Paul Arnie Fero wrote: > AND you'll find pine available on virtually any Unix box you might need to > use. I suppose Rob would go off on another rant if anyone dared to > mention vi? 8-))) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > > >> ps. I wouldn't say PINE was quite dead yet... there are die-hards >> keeping it up to date (check the "Updated" date below on PINE's entry at >> www.freshmeat.net) >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jan 4 02:23:32 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:23:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <477E0924.9060100@steamengine.com.au> Hi Peter, I realise you've already had a few answers on this but here are a couple more :) Most USA bought equipment cannot play PAL - the TV and DVD usually are unable to do it. Some DVD players (generally the cheaper ones) will convert from PAL to NTSC without the user even knowing they're doing it. This means a disk sent from Australia (ignoring the region) will be unlikely to play. However, generally Aus (and just about anywhere else on the planet) will play most popular video formats so you can bring an NTSC DVD from the USA and it will play here (I have heaps). You will get less problems with cheaper players - the expensive ones (e.g. Sony) subscribe to the licensing scheme and are still steadfastly ignoring the market demands in the interests of controlling their own products (Sony make movies too). Now onto the good news, portable DVD players (the kind with an inbuilt screen) generally play any video format and any region - I dare say this is to market them to travellers. Give one of them a try. You can usually connect them to a normal TV. Of course, one final point... there are three principal DVD formats - standard (everything should play these), and the two High Definition "Blue Ray" and "Hi Def". These two HD formats are utterly incompatible and to date I've not seen a single player that will take on both. I have a HD TV but refuse to buy a HD DVD player to go with it until there is a player than handles both formats. Remember Beta and VHS? Here we go again. The worst thing about the HD players is that it isnt just your DVD player that decides if you are "allowed" to watch something - when connected via an HDMI input the bloody TV has a say too! Fortunately for me I've got an Hitachi which will pretend to be in any location you tell it. Regards Paul peter ogborne wrote: > I know , I have asked this question before but it is confusing with the > answers that I have received from other quarters > If I sent a DVD ,produced here in Australia and it was done using the PAL > system ,to the USA ,could it be played . > I know that the system used in the US is NTSC but conflicting reports come > to me about it's playability! > The DVD player that my friend in the US has is an Insignia DVD100121 > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Jan 4 03:00:18 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 19:00:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT re DVD Message-ID: <001401c84ec1$02339a10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Paul,my problem is that I am trying to find a way for my friend in the US to play the DVD that I send him. I might just give up ,he is not up to speed on this technology Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Jan 4 03:52:44 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:52:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> Enough of all this OT all talk no action crap!! How about celebrating with me as I just got the piston out of the Campbell tonight !! :-) yeeeehaaaa Have been working away slowly at it over the past couple of weeks. have been getting it to move about 1/4 in each time I have a play, well the sucker is 13 inches long and looks real pretty sitting in the block. I took a few pick and will get em up in a few days! It's now 10.50pm (Ive been at work all day but just had to go over the shed for another engine play) and time for a well earned beer, cheers, Russell PS: this old girl is looking real good for the next National Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From bethell at internode.on.net Fri Jan 4 04:27:19 2008 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 23:27:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000801c84ecd$26b09cb0$0201010a@JIM> Geez mate you picked a warm night to work on the Campbell, at least it wasn't 37 deg! Must drop around and see what all the fuss is about. Jimbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:52 PM Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! > Enough of all this OT all talk no action crap!! How about celebrating > with me as I just got the piston out of the Campbell tonight !! > :-) yeeeehaaaa Have been working away slowly at it over the past > couple of weeks. have been getting it to move about 1/4 in each time > I have a play, well the sucker is 13 inches long and looks real > pretty sitting in the block. I took a few pick and will get em up in > a few days! > > It's now 10.50pm (Ive been at work all day but just had to go over > the shed for another engine play) and time for a well earned beer, > cheers, Russell > > PS: this old girl is looking real good for the next National > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Fri Jan 4 05:56:45 2008 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:56:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT re DVD In-Reply-To: <001401c84ec1$02339a10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001401c84ec1$02339a10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <477E3B1D.8080105@xplornet.com> Hello Peter, Just for info. I bought several DVD's in England last year. I wasn't worried about the format as I have "AvOne Gold video/audio converter" Thanks Paul,my problem is that I am trying to find a way for my friend in > the US to play the DVD that I send him. > I might just give up ,he is not up to speed on this technology > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From blcksmth at wcnet.org Fri Jan 4 06:01:51 2008 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:01:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <477E0924.9060100@steamengine.com.au> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <477E0924.9060100@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000801c84eda$5d9f57e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> There are at least two players that will play both Blu-ray and HD DVD formats. They are the LG BH200 and the Samsung BD-UP5000. They are in the $800.00 class but they are available. I saw them at www.crutchfield.com Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Pavlinovich Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:24 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ....DVD Hi Peter, I realise you've already had a few answers on this but here are a couple more :) Most USA bought equipment cannot play PAL - the TV and DVD usually are unable to do it. Some DVD players (generally the cheaper ones) will convert from PAL to NTSC without the user even knowing they're doing it. This means a disk sent from Australia (ignoring the region) will be unlikely to play. However, generally Aus (and just about anywhere else on the planet) will play most popular video formats so you can bring an NTSC DVD from the USA and it will play here (I have heaps). You will get less problems with cheaper players - the expensive ones (e.g. Sony) subscribe to the licensing scheme and are still steadfastly ignoring the market demands in the interests of controlling their own products (Sony make movies too). Now onto the good news, portable DVD players (the kind with an inbuilt screen) generally play any video format and any region - I dare say this is to market them to travellers. Give one of them a try. You can usually connect them to a normal TV. Of course, one final point... there are three principal DVD formats - standard (everything should play these), and the two High Definition "Blue Ray" and "Hi Def". These two HD formats are utterly incompatible and to date I've not seen a single player that will take on both. I have a HD TV but refuse to buy a HD DVD player to go with it until there is a player than handles both formats. Remember Beta and VHS? Here we go again. The worst thing about the HD players is that it isnt just your DVD player that decides if you are "allowed" to watch something - when connected via an HDMI input the bloody TV has a say too! Fortunately for me I've got an Hitachi which will pretend to be in any location you tell it. Regards Paul peter ogborne wrote: > I know , I have asked this question before but it is confusing with > the answers that I have received from other quarters If I sent a DVD > ,produced here in Australia and it was done using the PAL system ,to > the USA ,could it be played . > I know that the system used in the US is NTSC but conflicting reports > come to me about it's playability! > The DVD player that my friend in the US has is an Insignia DVD100121 > Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the > Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 4 06:06:43 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:06:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] That left a mark References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> <000801c84ecd$26b09cb0$0201010a@JIM> Message-ID: <02f801c84edb$095503f0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40338 http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43907 One of those things that makes you go wooooooaaah . Thought provoking to say the least for those with rare , serialized , publicized items . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Jan 4 06:13:38 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:13:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <1095.12.223.26.26.1199456018.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> What do the list's Linux users use for email, etc? I may switch rather than go to Vista (uugghh) Bill > AND you'll find pine available on virtually any Unix box you might need to > use. I suppose Rob would go off on another rant if anyone dared to > mention vi? 8-))) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > >> ps. I wouldn't say PINE was quite dead yet... there are die-hards >> keeping it up to date (check the "Updated" date below on PINE's entry at >> www.freshmeat.net) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 4 06:51:53 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:51:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: On Jan 4, 2008, at 3:52 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > How about celebrating > with me as I just got the piston out of the Campbell tonight !! Good on ya, mate! It's dawn in So Cal, so I'll help ya celebrate with a hot cuppa. From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jan 4 07:53:47 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:53:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Russell: Yeeeeehaaaaa back atcha! Good on you for getting the piston out without breaking anything! I wish I could go to Ozzieland to look at some of the old iron you guys are working on. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Russell > Gilbert > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 05:53 AM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! > > > Enough of all this OT all talk no action crap!! > How about celebrating > with me as I just got the piston out of the > Campbell tonight !! > :-) yeeeehaaaa Have been working away slowly at > it over the past > couple of weeks. have been getting it to move > about 1/4 in each time > I have a play, well the sucker is 13 inches long > and looks real > pretty sitting in the block. I took a few pick > and will get em up in > a few days! From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Fri Jan 4 09:51:21 2008 From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:51:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <1095.12.223.26.26.1199456018.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> <1095.12.223.26.26.1199456018.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <1199469081.26241.4.camel@ralph> On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 06:13 -0800, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > What do the list's Linux users use for email, etc? > I may switch rather than go to Vista (uugghh) I switched from real UNIX to Linux about 1.5 years ago. I've been using primarily Evolution for mail, calendar, and contacts. I use Thunderbird and mutt as secondary mailers. I use Evolution mostly because it synchronizes with my PDA (Treo). Ruth uses Thunderbird as her primary mail and contacts, and uses mutt as a secondary mailer. There are lots of choices. Pete. -- Pete Alleman pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Lafayette, Louisana USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 4 10:47:47 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:47:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <477E064F.5060509@steamengine.com.au> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> <477E064F.5060509@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Paul, I like vi for only two reasons. If you know how to use it, its powerful as hell and it will be found on every Unix system in existance. For doing real day-to-day work I use Slickedit exclusively; either a Unix version or the PC version on my laptop. I HIGHLY recommend it. See ya, Arnie On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Arnie... shame on you. Try the modern version vim or even the windowsy gvim. > > I use it all the time. It is the best cross platform editor I've found. > Runs on damn near anything and behaves exactly the same no matter what > you run it on. Best yet it can read and quickly display a 2gb trace log > file spat out by a mental micro$oft.net application! From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jan 4 13:24:22 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:24:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT re DVD In-Reply-To: <001401c84ec1$02339a10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001401c84ec1$02339a10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <477EA406.8060703@steamengine.com.au> The most straight forward route would be for you to rip it on your computer and convert it to NTSC then burn it onto a new Region 1 DVD. Software like Nero 7 can do this for you. If you cannot do this, I'm happy to have a go. You just need to send it 4,500km before sending it 18,000 more km! Regards Paul peter ogborne wrote: > Thanks Paul,my problem is that I am trying to find a way for my friend in > the US to play the DVD that I send him. > I might just give up ,he is not up to speed on this technology > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Jan 4 13:28:16 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:28:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <000801c84eda$5d9f57e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <477E0924.9060100@steamengine.com.au> <000801c84eda$5d9f57e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> Message-ID: <477EA4F0.8090304@steamengine.com.au> Thanks Bob. Good to know that there is the beginnings of some sense here!! I'll probably stick with my SD players until the prices on the HD players are a little more realistic. Out of the Aussies on this list - who knows that Analog TV is being progressively turned off from the end of 2008 and finishing in 2011? You don't need to shell out for a new TV - just get yourself a digital set top box. These range from $30 to as much as you care to pay. If you want to look at the new HD channels then you will either need a box that can down convert from HD to SD or you need a new TV. The HD channels mostly run the same programs but not always. Just another quickie... unrelated to TV - who knows that CDMA telephones are being turned off at the end of this month in this country? Regards Paul Bob Willman wrote: > There are at least two players that will play both Blu-ray and HD > DVD formats. They are the LG BH200 and the Samsung BD-UP5000. They are in > the $800.00 class but they are available. > I saw them at www.crutchfield.com > > > Bob Willman > Bowling Green, Ohio > The Eagle's Anvil > WB8NQW > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 13:50:40 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:50:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options Message-ID: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. Arnie & Jim have mentioned going to Baraboo the week before Portland, and we may have a look at that, but any other interesting sights we should think about ?? Looking at arriving on the 15th and departing around the 26th. Suggestions welcomed. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 4 15:18:06 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:18:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Baraboo is August 15-17. See ya, Arnie On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at > flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few > days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. > > Arnie & Jim have mentioned going to Baraboo the week before Portland, > and we may have a look at that, but any other interesting sights we > should think about ?? From alharris44 at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 14:43:48 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:43:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <477EA4F0.8090304@steamengine.com.au> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <477E0924.9060100@steamengine.com.au> <000801c84eda$5d9f57e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> <477EA4F0.8090304@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <477EB6A4.5080502@gmail.com> Hey Paul, 24:14:17 to go. Like counting down for Xmas. :-) Cheers, Al Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Just another quickie... unrelated to TV - who knows that CDMA telephones > are being turned off at the end of this month in this country? > From alharris44 at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 14:45:22 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:45:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT ....DVD In-Reply-To: <477EA4F0.8090304@steamengine.com.au> References: <003001c84d1d$aab750f0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <477E0924.9060100@steamengine.com.au> <000801c84eda$5d9f57e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> <477EA4F0.8090304@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <477EB702.1050105@gmail.com> Someone turn that 24 into 23 on the way past pls. :-( Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Just another quickie... unrelated to TV - who knows that CDMA telephones > are being turned off at the end of this month in this country? > > Regards > Paul From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri Jan 4 15:19:46 2008 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:19:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001201c84f28$4cbb2b40$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> I want to see it there Russell, Have a Happy New Year. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:52 PM Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! > Enough of all this OT all talk no action crap!! How about celebrating > with me as I just got the piston out of the Campbell tonight !! > :-) yeeeehaaaa Have been working away slowly at it over the past > couple of weeks. have been getting it to move about 1/4 in each time > I have a play, well the sucker is 13 inches long and looks real > pretty sitting in the block. I took a few pick and will get em up in > a few days! > > It's now 10.50pm (Ive been at work all day but just had to go over > the shed for another engine play) and time for a well earned beer, > cheers, Russell > > PS: this old girl is looking real good for the next National > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From astfgl at iamnota.org Fri Jan 4 16:29:36 2008 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:29:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curious In-Reply-To: <1095.12.223.26.26.1199456018.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <6f6025160801021523j5d1a8a96j92289c5ed2545909@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AA77@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801030801p2b1ff01dn4d702726c6ffc9c5@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590584AEFC@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0AA5B9EC-5021-49CC-B574-A3F681A57BB2@rustyiron.com> <477D706C.5070805@steamengine.com.au> <1095.12.223.26.26.1199456018.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <477ECF70.8070106@iamnota.org> bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > What do the list's Linux users use for email, etc? > I may switch rather than go to Vista (uugghh) Depending on which machine I'm on and what I want to do, I use Seamonkey as my all-in-one browser/email client, or Firefox/Thunderbird when I want slightly more modern single purpose apps. I do most of my work in an xterm, but I don't use a terminal based mail reader any more - I rarely find myself without a GUI these days, and on the those occasions I just grep ^Subject: ~/Maildir/new/* for things to less. Back in the day, I used nn for news. I run my own IMAP server, not POP, which means that I can jump between different clients on different hosts and not lose messages. Oh, and filters are set up on the server, so client configuration is kept to a minimum. Now that GMail is offering IMAP access, I'm recommending that as a long-term email hosting solution to my users. You get the best of all worlds, as they give you over 6Gb of email storage, you can read your mail from any browser if you're on the road and your IMAP client can be told to download local copies of some or all folders so you can still read your old messages when you're offline. As to switching, I recommend Kubuntu. You can run it from the CDROM without installing on your hard disk, and even tell it to store your settings on a file in your windows disk so you can use it for a while and not start from scratch every time you boot up. Running from the CDROM is a little slower than running from hard disk, but once programs are loaded into memory, it's full speed. The reason I recommend Kubuntu rather than Ubuntu is that the KDE interface is much, much more familiar than Gnome for someone coming from a Windows GUI. You can download a CD image to burn by going to http://www.kubuntu.org and navigating to a download mirror close to you. The file most people want is kubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso As to running windows-only applications, I have a VMWare image which I boot up if I ever need to run anything. The last time I needed it was about 6 months ago to run the firmware uploader for my old ebook reader... glen. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Jan 4 20:15:18 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:15:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' Message-ID: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Paul ,do you think it will happen ,both my wife and I have next G or whatever they call the bloody things ,they are useless out of major areas. The CDMA is in the drawer ,out of contract The CDMA was fine .If CDMA is switched off then the outcry from the rural areas will be deafening.I hear of so many stories about some one on the tractor trying to ring the homestead and cant connect and vice versa. I don't want to start but i am really pissed off at what's happening in this country.An example .....the other day in Perth ,heat wave conditions ,bloody bush fires all over the place and a shutdown at one of the off shore gas platforms .Woodside reduce the gas flow down the pipeline so the Energy Supplier asks people to turn off their a/c .other wise there will be power outages.Next we hear a bloody government minister [Minister for energy, state government] rings the overseas owner of a big fertiliser plant on the Burrup Peninsular [ NW Australia] to ask him if we can have some of our gas back for the local power stations[ all gas fired] otherwise there will be shutdowns!Meanwhile we are exporting the bloody stuff to the Chinese. As you would well know Paul heat waves are rare in Albany. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jan 4 20:25:21 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:25:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] No tyre kickers here! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080104224643.02077518@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <20080105042509.YWGK24011.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Great stuff Russell. I look forward to seeing it at the National rally. It will be a nice engine. Now the problem is, what am I going to take to the National? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Enough of all this OT all talk no action crap!! How about celebrating with me as I just got the piston out of the Campbell tonight !! :-) yeeeehaaaa Have been working away slowly at it over the past couple of weeks. have been getting it to move about 1/4 in each time I have a play, well the sucker is 13 inches long and looks real pretty sitting in the block. I took a few pick and will get em up in a few days! It's now 10.50pm (Ive been at work all day but just had to go over the shed for another engine play) and time for a well earned beer, cheers, Russell PS: this old girl is looking real good for the next National Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jan 4 20:44:20 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:44:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001601c84f55$a5a86470$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Its already turned off where my kids live in Tassie. The new phone promised and paid for, never arrived, etc.etc. A week in the back country with no communication. And Telsta dont give a damn! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' > Paul ,do you think it will happen ,both my wife and I have next G or > whatever they call the bloody things ,they are useless out of major areas. > The CDMA is in the drawer ,out of contract > The CDMA was fine .If CDMA is switched off then the outcry from the rural > areas will be deafening.I hear of so many stories about some one on the > tractor trying to ring the homestead and cant connect and vice versa. > I don't want to start but i am really pissed off at what's happening in > this > country.An example .....the other day in Perth ,heat wave conditions > ,bloody > bush fires all over the place and a shutdown at one of the off shore gas > platforms .Woodside reduce the gas flow down the pipeline so the Energy > Supplier asks people to turn off their a/c .other wise there will be power > outages.Next we hear a bloody government minister [Minister for energy, > state government] rings the overseas owner of a big fertiliser plant on > the > Burrup Peninsular [ NW Australia] to ask him if we can have some of our > gas > back for the local power stations[ all gas fired] otherwise there will be > shutdowns!Meanwhile we are exporting the bloody stuff to the Chinese. > > As you would well know Paul heat waves are rare in Albany. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jan 4 20:47:28 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:47:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF what we pay for it? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 4 21:10:17 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:10:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' In-Reply-To: <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Dude, you been smoking gum tree leaves again? Do you have evidence to support your delusion? Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:47 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF > what we > pay for it? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Jan 4 22:35:26 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:35:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <005b01c84f67$c1618a40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> We are paying 80+ cents at the bowser. MORE if you get a bottle filled. Their price is below 40 cents. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' > Dude, you been smoking gum tree leaves again? > Do you have evidence to support your delusion? > > > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:47 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: >> Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF >> what we >> pay for it? > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Jan 4 23:03:45 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:03:45 +1300 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <008801c84f69$1d138cc0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter my uncle used to run the solar power plant in white cliffs in the australian outback it was a very successful scheme it powered up the local town and surplus was sold back to the grid cant understand why they are not using more solar power plants its renewable and less costly to recover than gas ideal in hot dry areas. He used to live underground to get out of the hot temperatures if he needed more room he would dig out another bedroom had quite a cool home.I heard of one chap in britain fired up a stationary engine a diesel fueled one and runs a generator to power up his own electricty he also is running the old lister on biodiesel old cooking fat which doesnt cost him anything.Might be a good idea to have a back up plan regarding water and electricty or energy these are all going to become scarcities in the future we are seeing the same here even in a temperate climate in a farming district as farm operations get bigger and more intensive.Has more to do with demand the question would be who is using the large portions of power and my guess is that its large scale industrial that are sucking the bulk of the electricty to the detriment of the general public would be worth asking that question to the local mps just to get a response on that one brent nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' > Paul ,do you think it will happen ,both my wife and I have next G or > whatever they call the bloody things ,they are useless out of major areas. > The CDMA is in the drawer ,out of contract > The CDMA was fine .If CDMA is switched off then the outcry from the rural > areas will be deafening.I hear of so many stories about some one on the > tractor trying to ring the homestead and cant connect and vice versa. > I don't want to start but i am really pissed off at what's happening in this > country.An example .....the other day in Perth ,heat wave conditions ,bloody > bush fires all over the place and a shutdown at one of the off shore gas > platforms .Woodside reduce the gas flow down the pipeline so the Energy > Supplier asks people to turn off their a/c .other wise there will be power > outages.Next we hear a bloody government minister [Minister for energy, > state government] rings the overseas owner of a big fertiliser plant on the > Burrup Peninsular [ NW Australia] to ask him if we can have some of our gas > back for the local power stations[ all gas fired] otherwise there will be > shutdowns!Meanwhile we are exporting the bloody stuff to the Chinese. > > As you would well know Paul heat waves are rare in Albany. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM > > From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 4 23:59:32 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:59:32 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' In-Reply-To: <005b01c84f67$c1618a40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <005b01c84f67$c1618a40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001701c84f70$e8139cb0$b83ad610$@net.au> Their price is below 40 cents? Try less than 10 cents. I've camped often on an island off Dampier and watched shiploads of it leave for China. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2008 3:35 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' We are paying 80+ cents at the bowser. MORE if you get a bottle filled. Their price is below 40 cents. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' > Dude, you been smoking gum tree leaves again? > Do you have evidence to support your delusion? > > > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:47 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: >> Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF >> what we >> pay for it? > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 5 01:53:13 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:53:13 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' In-Reply-To: References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <477F5389.20609@optusnet.com.au> Rob Skinner wrote: > Dude, you been smoking gum tree leaves again? > Do you have evidence to support your delusion? > > > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California === Rob, what evidence have you (in California of all places!) to claim that this statemant is a "delusion"? Jack === From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 5 09:10:40 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:10:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' In-Reply-To: <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <1199553040.477fba103a6bc@webmail.city-net.com> Cos the Chinese are better negotiators? Quoting R & M Ingold : > Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF what we > pay for it? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 5 09:44:42 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:44:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina Message-ID: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com> FYI ----- Forwarded message from Jim Dunmyer ----- Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 11:47:35 -0500 From: Jim Dunmyer Reply-To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org If anyone is interested, please contact Becky directly. <> <> <> <> <> ----- Original Message ----- From: becky e To: jim dunmyer Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina hi jim my name is becky, my daddy (69) past away in sept. he has a old sawmill that looks alot like yours that i found on the old iron webpage, he also has an big ole iron plainer(huge) that runs off of an engine from some kind of big truck, we (my 3 other sisters) are thinking about selling it if we can find a buyer, i have pictures if ya would like to take a look.i have been on the computor for 3 months, off and on looking for a sawmill like his and come to find out there aint many, and us not knowing the diffrence, thought that a sawmill was like his, no wonder this was a hobby of his, sorry to say some of the things that was under the sawmill shed, we didnt know what they were and some things went to the scrap iron yard, now looking back makes my stomach a little sick, so for now i have put a screaching halt to any thing else going away, you are the first person, that i have contacted, and will wait to hear from you before i make another move, or if by chance you might know some one who would like to buy it, we live in Lee county,(bishopville) south carolina ya know the land of cotton. so if ya can will you reply one way or the other. thanks for your time. p.s. we always said that if you cut daddy in half, he would bleed saw dust!! good day, becky e-mail= four_ever_dreamin at yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ----- End forwarded message ----- From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Jan 5 09:48:46 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:48:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' In-Reply-To: <477F5389.20609@optusnet.com.au> References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <477F5389.20609@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <9DE7145D-9D7C-4567-AF4B-CE6075115286@rustyiron.com> Please excuse my faux pas, man. That was supposed to be directly to Reggie, off list. Rob On Jan 5, 2008, at 1:53 AM, Jack Watson wrote: > Rob, what evidence have you (in California of all places!) to claim > that > this statemant is a "delusion"? > Jack From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Jan 5 10:00:56 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:00:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' In-Reply-To: <1199553040.477fba103a6bc@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <1199553040.477fba103a6bc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080105125253.030bd1b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Because they probably use a heck of a lot more and guaranteed huge quantity delivery talks in negotiations. Also last I heard the Chinese were opening a new coal fired power plant at a rate of 1 every 3 days. They are using a whale of a lot of fossil fuels to power their growing economy. Mark At 12:10 PM 1/5/08, you wrote: >Cos the Chinese are better negotiators? > >Quoting R & M Ingold : > > > Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF > what we > > pay for it? > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 5 10:48:17 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:48:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <1199553040.477fba103a6bc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <006301c84fcb$89cb8130$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I think the insinuation is something a bit more Machiavellian than that . > Cos the Chinese are better negotiators? > > Quoting R & M Ingold : > >> Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF what >> we >> pay for it? From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sat Jan 5 14:28:34 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:28:34 +1300 Subject: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' References: <000e01c84f51$9939dab0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <002201c84f56$1597f0c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <1199553040.477fba103a6bc@webmail.city-net.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080105125253.030bd1b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <011301c84fea$4f9d7580$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Financially who would sell there produce at such a low margins unless there were some other trade agreement thrown in.there must be more to this story brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....now CDMA and the ''Three Amigos'' > Because they probably use a heck of a lot more and guaranteed huge quantity > delivery talks in negotiations. > Also last I heard the Chinese were opening a new coal fired power plant at > a rate of 1 every 3 days. They are using a whale of a lot of fossil fuels > to power their growing economy. Mark > > > > At 12:10 PM 1/5/08, you wrote: > >Cos the Chinese are better negotiators? > > > >Quoting R & M Ingold : > > > > > Also, why are our lot selling gas to the Chinese at well below HALF > > what we > > > pay for it? > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 5 14:31:28 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:31:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice Repro C.H.&E. Muffler on eBay Message-ID: <1199572288.478005408319b@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, These are hard to find. Hey Joe Prindle, is that one of the ones you made? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=350011182627 See ya, Arnie From MBellar at aol.com Sat Jan 5 15:54:05 2008 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:54:05 EST Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine Message-ID: After looking for a 2 hp Famous engine for the past 5 years, I found one in time for Christmas that I could afford. It has had a rough past in that a previous owner started to restore it, but unfortunately he ran out of interest/money/health. A long story short, the person that I bought it from purchased it in a bushel basket at an executors sale. Other than a few missing nuts, bolts, tanks and plumbing the bushel basket appears to contain enough repairable parts to assemble an operational engine. As with most vertical Famous engines the cylinder jug and water pump bracket have been brazed or welded and it had been repainted with a broom. To date, I have removed the old paint, removed broken-off bolts and pipe fittings and fabricated a number of bolts and studs. Fortunately for me I have a Starbolt reprint of the I.H.C. "Directions for the Vertical Tank-Cooled Gasoline Engines" which shows many details and part numbers for the engine some of which are confusing because one poor quality picture/drawing contradicts another. I suppose what I may be seeing is the differences between the 4 different engines covered in the reprint. I wonder if I could get input from the List members as to where I can get additional detailed information ( web site?) for my 1908 vintage 2 hp vertical screen cooled Famous. The only awshit I have found to date is an old repair on the lower crank pin box. It appears that at some time the shims were removed and the rod bolts were tightened to the point that the lower journal fractured as it was drawn around the crankshaft. The break was brazed and refitted to the crankshaft with babbitt. I repoured the babbitt and scraped the box to fit. What do you think is this a good repair, or should I try to find a replacement crank pin box #GB1060. Thank you for any help; Tom Bellar SW Ohio **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jan 5 16:34:20 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:34:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina In-Reply-To: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <7D8C8478-8390-413F-BFA4-AF980D59C930@alltel.net> Arnie, Are you sure becky is from SC? She sounds like a chick I knew in my younger days who lived in WV! Good head--but not on her shoulders! Dave > hi jim > my name is becky, my daddy (69) past away in sept. he has a old > sawmill that > looks alot like yours that i found on the old iron webpage, he also > has an big > ole iron plainer(huge) that runs off of an engine from some kind of > big truck, > we (my 3 other sisters) are thinking about selling it if we can > find a buyer, i > have pictures if ya would like to take a look.i have been on the > computor for 3 > months, off and on looking for a sawmill like his and come to find > out there > aint many, and us not knowing the diffrence, thought that a > sawmill was like > his, no wonder this was a hobby of his, sorry to say some of the > things that > was under the sawmill shed, we didnt know what they were and some > things went > to the scrap iron yard, now looking back makes my stomach a little > sick, so for > now i have put a screaching halt to any thing else going away, you > are the > first person, that i have contacted, and will wait to hear from you > before i > make another move, or if by chance you might know some one who > would like to > buy it, we live in Lee county,(bishopville) south carolina ya know > the land of > cotton. so if ya can will you reply one way or the other. thanks > for your > time. > p.s. we always said that if you cut daddy in half, he would > bleed saw > dust!! > > good > day, becky > e-mail= four_ever_dreamin at yahoo.com From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Jan 5 16:54:26 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:54:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina In-Reply-To: <7D8C8478-8390-413F-BFA4-AF980D59C930@alltel.net> References: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com> <7D8C8478-8390-413F-BFA4-AF980D59C930@alltel.net> Message-ID: <478026C2.9060907@steamengine.com.au> No teeth I'm guessing :) David Rotigel wrote: > Arnie, Are you sure becky is from SC? She sounds like a chick I knew > in my younger days who lived in WV! Good head--but not on her shoulders! > Dave > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 5 17:25:26 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:25:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina In-Reply-To: <7D8C8478-8390-413F-BFA4-AF980D59C930@alltel.net> References: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com> <7D8C8478-8390-413F-BFA4-AF980D59C930@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1199582726.47802e069cad6@webmail.city-net.com> No comment... Quoting David Rotigel : > Arnie, Are you sure becky is from SC? She sounds like a chick I knew > in my younger days who lived in WV! Good head--but not on her shoulders! > Dave > > > my name is becky, my daddy (69) past away in sept. he has a old > > sawmill that From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sat Jan 5 19:12:16 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:12:16 +1300 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine References: Message-ID: <006401c85011$f14869e0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Tom what a great find good that there are enough parts to make it a runner sounds like you will have it chugging along in no time. brent ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > After looking for a 2 hp Famous engine for the past 5 years, I found one in > time for Christmas that I could afford. It has had a rough past in that a > previous owner started to restore it, but unfortunately he ran out of > interest/money/health. A long story short, the person that I bought it from purchased > it in a bushel basket at an executors sale. Other than a few missing nuts, > bolts, tanks and plumbing the bushel basket appears to contain enough repairable > parts to assemble an operational engine. As with most vertical Famous > engines the cylinder jug and water pump bracket have been brazed or welded and it > had been repainted with a broom. To date, I have removed the old paint, > removed broken-off bolts and pipe fittings and fabricated a number of bolts and > studs. Fortunately for me I have a Starbolt reprint of the I.H.C. "Directions > for the Vertical Tank-Cooled Gasoline Engines" which shows many details and > part numbers for the engine some of which are confusing because one poor quality > picture/drawing contradicts another. I suppose what I may be seeing is the > differences between the 4 different engines covered in the reprint. I wonder > if I could get input from the List members as to where I can get additional > detailed information ( web site?) for my 1908 vintage 2 hp vertical screen > cooled Famous. > The only awshit I have found to date is an old repair on the lower crank pin > box. It appears that at some time the shims were removed and the rod bolts > were tightened to the point that the lower journal fractured as it was drawn > around the crankshaft. The break was brazed and refitted to the crankshaft > with babbitt. I repoured the babbitt and scraped the box to fit. What do you > think is this a good repair, or should I try to find a replacement crank pin box > #GB1060. > Thank you for any help; > > Tom Bellar SW Ohio > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sat Jan 5 19:13:49 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:13:49 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina References: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <007f01c85012$2b96b6b0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Jim nice of you to pass on to interested members i just passed my condolences on to the family regards brent ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:44 AM Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina > FYI > > ----- Forwarded message from Jim Dunmyer ----- > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 11:47:35 -0500 > From: Jim Dunmyer > Reply-To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > > If anyone is interested, please contact Becky directly. > > <> > > <> > <> > <> > > <> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: becky e > To: jim dunmyer > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:38 PM > Subject: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina > > > hi jim > my name is becky, my daddy (69) past away in sept. he has a old sawmill that > looks alot like yours that i found on the old iron webpage, he also has an big > ole iron plainer(huge) that runs off of an engine from some kind of big truck, > we (my 3 other sisters) are thinking about selling it if we can find a buyer, i > have pictures if ya would like to take a look.i have been on the computor for 3 > months, off and on looking for a sawmill like his and come to find out there > aint many, and us not knowing the diffrence, thought that a sawmill was like > his, no wonder this was a hobby of his, sorry to say some of the things that > was under the sawmill shed, we didnt know what they were and some things went > to the scrap iron yard, now looking back makes my stomach a little sick, so for > now i have put a screaching halt to any thing else going away, you are the > first person, that i have contacted, and will wait to hear from you before i > make another move, or if by chance you might know some one who would like to > buy it, we live in Lee county,(bishopville) south carolina ya know the land of > cotton. so if ya can will you reply one way or the other. thanks for your > time. > p.s. we always said that if you cut daddy in half, he would bleed saw > dust!! > good > day, becky > e-mail= four_ever_dreamin at yahoo.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 03:43:36 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:43:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> On 04/01/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at > flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few > days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. Thanks to Arnie, Gary, George and Jim for the help with details. Flights have been booked, we cannot do both Baraboo and Buckley, so because the distances are less, we have opted for Buckley. This leaves us a couple of days to look at thing in the way down the state towards Muncie: La Porte County Historical Society Museum Wolf Park, Battle Ground, IN. Skinner Farm Museum (We'll miss the gas engine show) Perrysville IN. Found the National Model Aviation Museum in Muncie, didn't know that was there, so a visit is planned. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Jan 6 05:08:10 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:08:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine References: Message-ID: <012001c85065$31096f40$11d64c0c@D48VHZ61> There have been a couple of these in GEM over the last few years. One of them was a rather well written restoration account. Unfortunatley, John Hamnik (spelling?) is no longer with us. He was quite knowledgable on these. He pointed out that mine (1905) was a stationary engine and used user supplied gas and cooling tanks, and I believe muffler/exhaust plumbing also. Of course the local loudmouths tried to tell me otherwise but then again they only looked at pictures in the BYB and became instant experts. Same story with my 4hp. Don Oberholtzer (spelling?) supplied me with reproduction fuel pump, check valves, mixer, and muffler. I don't know how knowledgable he is about your engine, but he can probably point you to someone who is. Try this link hometown.aol.com/agee1/ One thing I did notice about mine is the part numbers cast into various parts are done so very poorly. When trying to properly identify something I would have to make 2-3 guesses as to what the part number was. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 6:54 PM Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > After looking for a 2 hp Famous engine for the past 5 years, I found one > in > time for Christmas that I could afford. It has had a rough past in that a > previous owner started to restore it, but unfortunately he ran out of > interest/money/health. A long story short, the person that I bought it > from purchased > it in a bushel basket at an executors sale. Other than a few missing > nuts, > bolts, tanks and plumbing the bushel basket appears to contain enough > repairable > parts to assemble an operational engine. As with most vertical Famous > engines the cylinder jug and water pump bracket have been brazed or > welded and it > had been repainted with a broom. To date, I have removed the old paint, > removed broken-off bolts and pipe fittings and fabricated a number of > bolts and > studs. Fortunately for me I have a Starbolt reprint of the I.H.C. > "Directions > for the Vertical Tank-Cooled Gasoline Engines" which shows many details > and > part numbers for the engine some of which are confusing because one poor > quality > picture/drawing contradicts another. I suppose what I may be seeing is > the > differences between the 4 different engines covered in the reprint. I > wonder > if I could get input from the List members as to where I can get > additional > detailed information ( web site?) for my 1908 vintage 2 hp vertical > screen > cooled Famous. > The only awshit I have found to date is an old repair on the lower crank > pin > box. It appears that at some time the shims were removed and the rod bolts > were tightened to the point that the lower journal fractured as it was > drawn > around the crankshaft. The break was brazed and refitted to the > crankshaft > with babbitt. I repoured the babbitt and scraped the box to fit. What do > you > think is this a good repair, or should I try to find a replacement crank > pin box > #GB1060. > Thank you for any help; > > Tom Bellar SW Ohio > > > > From clemsweller at etczone.com Sun Jan 6 05:51:15 2008 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:51:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> There is a nice sized engine show in Greensburg Indiana the weekend before Portland. It is about 1 hour south of Muncie Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:44 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options On 04/01/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at > flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few > days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. Thanks to Arnie, Gary, George and Jim for the help with details. Flights have been booked, we cannot do both Baraboo and Buckley, so because the distances are less, we have opted for Buckley. This leaves us a couple of days to look at thing in the way down the state towards Muncie: La Porte County Historical Society Museum Wolf Park, Battle Ground, IN. Skinner Farm Museum (We'll miss the gas engine show) Perrysville IN. Found the National Model Aviation Museum in Muncie, didn't know that was there, so a visit is planned. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 11:46 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 11:46 AM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 07:20:28 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:20:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801060720w61b66a51i221211a779f134d2@mail.gmail.com> On 06/01/2008, chuck emsweller wrote: > There is a nice sized engine show in Greensburg Indiana the weekend before > Portland. It is about 1 hour south of Muncie > > Chuck Emsweller Hi Chuck: There is so much to do, and so little time to do it in ! We have committed to the Buckley show now, and have booked motels etc., but many thanks for the information, we are not yet looking at 2009, but that will be noted. Many thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From clemsweller at etczone.com Sun Jan 6 08:48:31 2008 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:48:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801060720w61b66a51i221211a779f134d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> <6f6025160801060720w61b66a51i221211a779f134d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c85083$fb6160e0$f22422a0$@com> Not a problem Peter. Sounds like it should be a great trip. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:20 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options On 06/01/2008, chuck emsweller wrote: > There is a nice sized engine show in Greensburg Indiana the weekend before > Portland. It is about 1 hour south of Muncie > > Chuck Emsweller Hi Chuck: There is so much to do, and so little time to do it in ! We have committed to the Buckley show now, and have booked motels etc., but many thanks for the information, we are not yet looking at 2009, but that will be noted. Many thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 09:58:55 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:58:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <000301c85083$fb6160e0$f22422a0$@com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> <6f6025160801060720w61b66a51i221211a779f134d2@mail.gmail.com> <000301c85083$fb6160e0$f22422a0$@com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801060958j7b90bc2ei5a1be8bfe9f1c073@mail.gmail.com> On 06/01/2008, chuck emsweller wrote: > Not a problem Peter. Sounds like it should be a great trip. > > Chuck > There's a fair bit to do and see in the area, we have a short list of 11 places plus the two engine/tractor shows, so we should be kept fairly busy! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 10:58:54 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:58:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <249951.64341.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> YaHOO, Peter. What days of the show are you planning to be at Buckley? It will be great to see you there. I am looking forward to the show this year because I am going to do a whole different display. Stop by and chat. More info later. I am very easy to find at Buckley. There is only one windmill at Buckley. It is right in the Southeast corner of the grounds. That is where I am. The blades have been off the windmill for the last two years. It is a wooden tower. I plan to have one of my engines powering the pump with a pump-jack this year. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Listerdiesel wrote: On 04/01/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at > flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few > days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. Thanks to Arnie, Gary, George and Jim for the help with details. Flights have been booked, we cannot do both Baraboo and Buckley, so because the distances are less, we have opted for Buckley. This leaves us a couple of days to look at thing in the way down the state towards Muncie: La Porte County Historical Society Museum Wolf Park, Battle Ground, IN. Skinner Farm Museum (We'll miss the gas engine show) Perrysville IN. Found the National Model Aviation Museum in Muncie, didn't know that was there, so a visit is planned. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 12:14:54 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:14:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <249951.64341.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <249951.64341.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801061214va245239hf1b46ce89538f940@mail.gmail.com> On 06/01/2008, Alan Bowen wrote: > YaHOO, Peter. > > What days of the show are you planning to be at Buckley? > It will be great to see you there. > I am looking forward to the show this year because I am going to do a whole different display. Stop by and chat. More info later. > > I am very easy to find at Buckley. There is only one windmill at Buckley. > It is right in the Southeast corner of the grounds. That is where I am. > The blades have been off the windmill for the last two years. It is a wooden tower. I plan to have one of my engines powering the pump with a pump-jack this year. > > Alan Bowen Hi Alan: The schedule we have worked out gets us to the show on both the Friday and the Saturday, we are staying at the Super8 motel at Cadillac and travelling in each day, much as we do with Portland. We'll see you there! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun Jan 6 14:05:02 2008 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:05:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801060958j7b90bc2ei5a1be8bfe9f1c073@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> <6f6025160801060720w61b66a51i221211a779f134d2@mail.gmail.com> <000301c85083$fb6160e0$f22422a0$@com> <6f6025160801060958j7b90bc2ei5a1be8bfe9f1c073@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4781508E.4000501@xplornet.com> Hello Peter, Are you sure "fairly busy" is the right words? I couldn't find enough time in the day when when we visited your country last August/September. The Dorcet show was fantastic. So were the museums in London, Salisbury, Bath, Bristol, Manchester, York and specially the Iron Gorge. We only had a month to try to grasp it all so the pace was hectic. Have an excellent trip. Rupert Listerdiesel wrote: > There's a fair bit to do and see in the area, we have a short list of > 11 places plus the two engine/tractor shows, so we should be kept > fairly busy! > > Peter -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 6 14:27:32 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:27:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801061214va245239hf1b46ce89538f940@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <249951.64341.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160801061214va245239hf1b46ce89538f940@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199658452.478155d4613bd@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Peter, Is Rita's sister joining you guys again this year? See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > The schedule we have worked out gets us to the show on both the Friday > and the Saturday, we are staying at the Super8 motel at Cadillac and > travelling in each day, much as we do with Portland. From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Jan 6 14:57:25 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:57:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> Message-ID: <00a701c850b7$81518620$0302a8c0@Ed> Chuck, Do you have a link for more information about the Greensburg show? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options > There is a nice sized engine show in Greensburg Indiana the weekend before > Portland. It is about 1 hour south of Muncie > > Chuck Emsweller > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:44 AM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine > Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options > > On 04/01/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: >> It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at >> flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few >> days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. > > Thanks to Arnie, Gary, George and Jim for the help with details. > > Flights have been booked, we cannot do both Baraboo and Buckley, so > because the distances are less, we have opted for Buckley. This leaves > us a couple of days to look at thing in the way down the state towards > Muncie: > > La Porte County Historical Society Museum > Wolf Park, Battle Ground, IN. > Skinner Farm Museum (We'll miss the gas engine show) Perrysville IN. > > Found the National Model Aviation Museum in Muncie, didn't know that > was there, so a visit is planned. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 > 11:46 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 > 11:46 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From clemsweller at etczone.com Sun Jan 6 16:23:32 2008 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:23:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <00a701c850b7$81518620$0302a8c0@Ed> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> <00a701c850b7$81518620$0302a8c0@Ed> Message-ID: <007001c850c3$89295010$9b7bf030$@com> Yes, look at www.greensburgpowerofthepast.org There is normally a good representation of Oil Field and small engines, a fair number of Steam Engines and lots of tractors. Friday and Saturday are the best days. Lot of the engine folk pull out Sat evening and head for Portland. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed stoller Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options Chuck, Do you have a link for more information about the Greensburg show? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options > There is a nice sized engine show in Greensburg Indiana the weekend before > Portland. It is about 1 hour south of Muncie > > Chuck Emsweller > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:44 AM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine > Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options > > On 04/01/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: >> It's getting near to booking flights time, and we are looking at >> flying into Detroit or Chicago, and driving out from there for a few >> days before heading down to Muncie for the 22nd to the 24th August. > > Thanks to Arnie, Gary, George and Jim for the help with details. > > Flights have been booked, we cannot do both Baraboo and Buckley, so > because the distances are less, we have opted for Buckley. This leaves > us a couple of days to look at thing in the way down the state towards > Muncie: > > La Porte County Historical Society Museum > Wolf Park, Battle Ground, IN. > Skinner Farm Museum (We'll miss the gas engine show) Perrysville IN. > > Found the National Model Aviation Museum in Muncie, didn't know that > was there, so a visit is planned. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 > 11:46 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 > 11:46 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 19:17:17 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:17:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <007001c850c3$89295010$9b7bf030$@com> Message-ID: <536168.46883.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That looks like a nice little show. By "little" I mean, "Not Too Big." That pulling out Saturday evening seems to be a normal thing for shows just before Portland. It happens at Buckley too. How about Baraboo? I stay until the show ends at Buckley. The 2007 show really showed me a good reason to stay until the end. Twenty minutes before the official end of the show I saw a teenage girl a long way off dragging her father towards my display. My guess would say she was 15 years old. The Herc. was shut down. The belt was laying on the ground. The corn sheller was resting. I still had 2 1/2 bushels of ear corn to shell. When she got her dad to my sheller he started "explaining" how it all worked. I just went over to the Hercules S and primed the mixer, shut the choke, retarded the timing and grabbed the flywheels. I said, "Okay, this flip of the flywheels will pull fuel into the cylinder." I pulled them over and got just a little puff. Then I grabbed them again and said, " Get ready, This time it will start." She gave a little squeal when it fired right up. I picked up the belt and wrapped it around the sheller's pulley and then slipped it on the engine's pulley. As the corn sheller came up to speed she was ready. Definitely a gal slowly growing out of ADHD. She was so excited to feed that sheller. It was fun watching her. I really believed her when she told me the only reason she begged her Dad to bring her to the show was so she could feed my sheller. She remembered it from the year before. I would have let her go through the whole 1 1/2 bushels, but her dad pulled her away after she had done the 1/2 bushel and was just starting into the one below it. She reluctantly walked away,,,,,,, Then came running back to put in a couple more. 8>))))) If I had packed up and left like most people in that area I would have missed seeing that gal have all that fun. Only about seven out of seventy displays in that area stay until after the parade on Sunday. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan chuck emsweller wrote: Yes, look at www.greensburgpowerofthepast.org There is normally a good representation of Oil Field and small engines, a fair number of Steam Engines and lots of tractors. Friday and Saturday are the best days. Lot of the engine folk pull out Sat evening and head for Portland. Chuck --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 23:25:19 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:25:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <1199658452.478155d4613bd@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <249951.64341.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160801061214va245239hf1b46ce89538f940@mail.gmail.com> <1199658452.478155d4613bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801062325i29382d6eh70fa0379a18886dd@mail.gmail.com> On 06/01/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Is Rita's sister joining you guys again this year? > > See ya, Arnie > Not for the Portland trip unfortunately, but they will both be with me in October when we come over again to San Francisco, it's the twin's 60th birthday treat. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 23:31:54 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:31:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <4781508E.4000501@xplornet.com> References: <6f6025160801041350j19cecb43hd9ce4cfeb21f7613@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160801060343x21a0be06u3da425c7e500a51b@mail.gmail.com> <001801c8506b$352fffc0$9f8fff40$@com> <6f6025160801060720w61b66a51i221211a779f134d2@mail.gmail.com> <000301c85083$fb6160e0$f22422a0$@com> <6f6025160801060958j7b90bc2ei5a1be8bfe9f1c073@mail.gmail.com> <4781508E.4000501@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801062331m6202f0e5pee74cb4793f57936@mail.gmail.com> On 06/01/2008, Rupert wrote: > Hello Peter, > Are you sure "fairly busy" is the right words? > > I couldn't find enough time in the day when when we visited your > country last August/September. The Dorcet show was fantastic. So were > the museums in London, Salisbury, Bath, Bristol, Manchester, York and > specially the Iron Gorge. We only had a month to try to grasp it all so > the pace was hectic. > Have an excellent trip. > > Rupert We haven't seen all of the UK yet, and we live here! The main problem is the driving distances. You can get from one end of the UK to the other in less than 800 miles, while in the USA you can get that mileage crossing a couple of states. We'll be doing a big circuit, furthest North will be Buckley, then we drive down to Mishawaka, then Lafayette, then across to Muncie for Portland, then down and across to Dayton, back to Muncie again and then back up to Detroit for the flight home. We normally cover about 2000miles or so. Michigan, Ohio and Indiana have lots of things to keep us busy. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jan 7 01:47:04 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:47:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Novo parts wanted in Oz Message-ID: <000d01c85112$42adb280$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I have been talking to a guy in Townsville, Queensland who has been helping me with a vintage train problem for my Dad's club. We got talking about things and he has engines also and is after a water hopper for a 1 1/2hp Novo, he is sending me the serial number as I know nothing about Novos. Can anyone help please? I probably would prefer Aussie help at this stage.!! Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From clemsweller at etczone.com Mon Jan 7 02:15:56 2008 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:15:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <536168.46883.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <007001c850c3$89295010$9b7bf030$@com> <536168.46883.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c85116$4af6d580$e0e48080$@com> Alan, You hit it pretty much on the head. We enjoy the Greensburg show quite a bit. As for staying till the end, when my Dad, brother Rick and I display at a show, we like to be one of the first ones there and the last ones to leave. Got to love it. My brother puts up a water display using old wooden water pipe. All the kids love it, so I know what you mean on the sheller. We also like to let others help start our engines as well. Between the three of us we typically take 3 oil field and 3-6 smaller engines to the local shows. Dad and I were out working on a 1 1/2 horse Fairbanks Headless I found at an auction on New Year's Day. Should have it up and ready for the April shows. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:17 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] August Portland Week options That looks like a nice little show. By "little" I mean, "Not Too Big." That pulling out Saturday evening seems to be a normal thing for shows just before Portland. It happens at Buckley too. How about Baraboo? I stay until the show ends at Buckley. The 2007 show really showed me a good reason to stay until the end. Twenty minutes before the official end of the show I saw a teenage girl a long way off dragging her father towards my display. My guess would say she was 15 years old. The Herc. was shut down. The belt was laying on the ground. The corn sheller was resting. I still had 2 1/2 bushels of ear corn to shell. When she got her dad to my sheller he started "explaining" how it all worked. I just went over to the Hercules S and primed the mixer, shut the choke, retarded the timing and grabbed the flywheels. I said, "Okay, this flip of the flywheels will pull fuel into the cylinder." I pulled them over and got just a little puff. Then I grabbed them again and said, " Get ready, This time it will start." She gave a little squeal when it fired right up. I picked up the belt and wrapped it around the sheller's pulley and then slipped it on the engine's pulley. As the corn sheller came up to speed she was ready. Definitely a gal slowly growing out of ADHD. She was so excited to feed that sheller. It was fun watching her. I really believed her when she told me the only reason she begged her Dad to bring her to the show was so she could feed my sheller. She remembered it from the year before. I would have let her go through the whole 1 1/2 bushels, but her dad pulled her away after she had done the 1/2 bushel and was just starting into the one below it. She reluctantly walked away,,,,,,, Then came running back to put in a couple more. 8>))))) If I had packed up and left like most people in that area I would have missed seeing that gal have all that fun. Only about seven out of seventy displays in that area stay until after the parade on Sunday. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan chuck emsweller wrote: Yes, look at www.greensburgpowerofthepast.org There is normally a good representation of Oil Field and small engines, a fair number of Steam Engines and lots of tractors. Friday and Saturday are the best days. Lot of the engine folk pull out Sat evening and head for Portland. 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Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jan 7 03:12:37 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:12:37 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina References: <1199555082.477fc20a98f2a@webmail.city-net.com><7D8C8478-8390-413F-BFA4-AF980D59C930@alltel.net> <1199582726.47802e069cad6@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <003d01c8511e$3a4d1ca0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Is there some relevance in Becky's old man falling off the perch at 69? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Fw: my daddy's old sawmill in south carolina > No comment... > > Quoting David Rotigel : > >> Arnie, Are you sure becky is from SC? She sounds like a chick I knew >> in my younger days who lived in WV! Good head--but not on her shoulders! >> Dave >> >> > my name is becky, my daddy (69) past away in sept. he has a old >> > sawmill that > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jan 7 14:49:55 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:49:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: <536168.46883.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <536168.46883.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Alan Bowen wrote: > That pulling out Saturday evening seems to be a normal thing for shows > just before Portland. It happens at Buckley too. How about Baraboo? There are some folks who are pulling out Saturday afternoon, and more who are pulling out Sunday. I usually start loading up just after lunch with an eye to being on the road between 4 and 5. We usually drive till around 9 pm or so and get a motel then finish the drive to Portland Monday morning. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From MBellar at aol.com Mon Jan 7 16:08:43 2008 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:08:43 EST Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 1/6/2008 8:14:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: There have been a couple of these in GEM over the last few years. One of them was a rather well written restoration account. Unfortunatley, John Hamnik (spelling?) is no longer with us. He was quite knowledgable on these. He pointed out that mine (1905) was a stationary engine and used user supplied gas and cooling tanks, and I believe muffler/exhaust plumbing also. Of course the local loudmouths tried to tell me otherwise but then again they only looked at pictures in the BYB and became instant experts. Same story with my 4hp. Don Oberholtzer (spelling?) supplied me with reproduction fuel pump, check valves, mixer, and muffler. I don't know how knowledgable he is about your engine, but he can probably point you to someone who is. Try this link hometown.aol.com/agee1/ One thing I did notice about mine is the part numbers cast into various parts are done so very poorly. When trying to properly identify something I would have to make 2-3 guesses as to what the part number was. John Hall John; Thank you for the reply to my message. I have been in contact with Don Oberholtzer and he is going to rebuild my igniter and water pump. I have the GEM articles you mentioned. It was usually mild today (70's) so I got the etching primer on my engine. (Shade tree painter no heated shop) It looks good even if it is only primer green. Tom Bellar SW Ohio where it was +10 deg. F last week and + 72 today **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 17:48:38 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:48:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] August Portland Week options In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <382544.61768.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That would work out great from Buckley. 1. It is only about six hours to Portland from Buckley. 2. The show is officially over when the parade ends on Sunday. Thursday through Saturday the parade lasts longer but some of the tractors and a lot of the garden tractors leave Saturday evening or first thing Sunday morning so the Sunday parade is usually over by 3:30 or so. Then as the crowd disperses I get 50 or so folks that want to look at what's left. By then if the weather is good my canopy is down, but my display is intact. I usually start to load at 4pm and am on the road by 5pm with a very full 8' X 16' trailer. I get home by six then go back the next day for our 24' travel trailer. I would love to find a deal on a pop-up trailer for shows farther away. Right now it is unload the truck then set up the cot in the back of the truck. Alan Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Alan, On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Alan Bowen wrote: > That pulling out Saturday evening seems to be a normal thing for shows > just before Portland. It happens at Buckley too. How about Baraboo? There are some folks who are pulling out Saturday afternoon, and more who are pulling out Sunday. I usually start loading up just after lunch with an eye to being on the road between 4 and 5. We usually drive till around 9 pm or so and get a motel then finish the drive to Portland Monday morning. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 7 18:48:06 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:48:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine References: Message-ID: <00a601c851a0$e62b6540$0df14c0c@D48VHZ61> Didn't realize Don rebuilt igniters. My engine is in serious need of an overhaul--hopefully rings will do the trick. The only thing holding me back is that it needs new mains as well and I just don't have time to get that deep into right now! John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > > In a message dated 1/6/2008 8:14:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: > > There have been a couple of these in GEM over the last few years. One of > them was a rather well written restoration account. > > Unfortunatley, John Hamnik (spelling?) is no longer with us. He was quite > knowledgable on these. He pointed out that mine (1905) was a stationary > engine and used user supplied gas and cooling tanks, and I believe > muffler/exhaust plumbing also. Of course the local loudmouths tried to > tell > me otherwise but then again they only looked at pictures in the BYB and > became instant experts. Same story with my 4hp. > > Don Oberholtzer (spelling?) supplied me with reproduction fuel pump, > check > valves, mixer, and muffler. I don't know how knowledgable he is about > your > engine, but he can probably point you to someone who is. Try this link > hometown.aol.com/agee1/ > > > One thing I did notice about mine is the part numbers cast into various > parts are done so very poorly. When trying to properly identify something > I > would have to make 2-3 guesses as to what the part number was. > > John Hall > > > > > John; > > Thank you for the reply to my message. I have been in contact with Don > Oberholtzer and he is going to rebuild my igniter and water pump. I have > the GEM > articles you mentioned. > > It was usually mild today (70's) so I got the etching primer on my > engine. > (Shade tree painter no heated shop) It looks good even if it is only > primer > green. > > Tom Bellar SW Ohio where it was +10 deg. F last week and + 72 today > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jan 8 04:17:35 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:17:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Babbit metal composition please Message-ID: <004501c851f0$73b9daa0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All We have been through this before in various forms, but I ask a question from THOSE WHO KNOW please. I am about to pour the bearings for my vertical R&V, these are not split bearings but hollow cylindrical bearings with no adjustment. I have melted out the old metal and I am assuming that it is not the original 103 years old Babbitt, knowing the condition of the flywheels and crankshaft. Should I assume that, well to be safe I will !! Now what composition of Babbitt should I use, should I trust the old bearings and re-use the metal or go with new clean stuff. I have a full bar of "copper free" Babbitt that was used on the steam engines at the sugar mill where I used to work, it was used on the gland packing on the engines, is this too soft. I have no idea what composition the new stuff I have is, only that it is Copper Free, but it is not as heavy as the stuff melted out of the old bearings. Does the old stuff have too much lead in it and too soft? I have used the Copper Free metal on my R&V Triumph Line engine and is seems OK. Remember these are not under load and only run at a few shows, but I do not want to have to pour them again. Modern oils are also better these days. I do not mind going out and buying a new bar of Babbitt if the more knowledgeable members here think I should. There are a few on the LIST who do know so please do not sit on the fence, guide me please either on or off the LIST. plowe at exemail.com.au This was from Wikipedia 90% tin 10% copper 89% tin 7% antimony 4% copper 80% lead 15% antimony 5% tin This is from Wikipedia looking under White Metal % Sn % Sb % Cu % Pb Applications 93 3.5 3.5 - Light and medium IC engine big end bearings 86 10.5 3.5 - Light and medium IC engine main bearings 80 11 3.0 6 General purpose heavy bearings (lead increases plasticity) 60 10 28.5 1.5 Heavy duty marine engine bearings, electrical machines 40 10 1.5 48.5 Low cost, general purpose, medium duty bearings What should I do mates. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From pcgray at zoominternet.net Tue Jan 8 13:17:47 2008 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:17:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> Peter- Babbitt is graded these days as ASTM-1, 2 and so on % Sn % Sb % Cu % Pb Applications ASTM-1 93 3.5 3.5 - Light and medium IC engine big end bearings ASTM-2 88 6 6 - Light and medium IC engine main bearings I have been using ASTM-2 for about 10 years now and am having good luck with it. I stay away from the stuff with lead in it; personal preference and melting the lead. The ASTM pours at ~750-830F. The Ford babbitt used in model Ts was ASTM1. The big thing is in preheating the mold area. I use a propane weed torch and one of those pocket infrared thermometers. I preheat to ~300F before I pour. This gives a nice "grip" of the surrounding metal on the bearing. The ASTM grade spots/scrapes in nicely - you can use a parting tool to scrape it in and form the radii. I buy mine from A1 babbitt in Denora PA and the last time I bought it, it was 6-7 bucks a pound with postage to US as I recall. The alloy turns nicely and bores well. I use carbide and HSS tools to machine. I have cast several bearings on ARACO and Myrick verticals "en'bloc" using a smoked alum mandrel oversized for 3-5 thou running clearance. The trick is to preheat the mandrel /crankcase, cast the bearing and then wrap a wet rag around the alum mandrel. This causes the mandrel to be tapped out easily forming a nice bearing. If you do not preheat/chill the mandrel, it can be a bugger to push out. The alum mandrel has a higher expansion than the block so it will contract more. I do not trust the old bearing materials- I use new stuff and save the melted out stuff for casting into cart wheels to make bearings. If I am going to all the trouble, then why not do the best I can...... you can contact me off list if you want pix or more info- All the best- Paul From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jan 8 15:22:00 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:22:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Louisville, MS -- Lineshaft available References: <000501c85230$c44456e0$6400a8c0@NEWCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <7DD3CCDC-2693-42B0-B19A-D699CD2CB0E4@rustyiron.com> This is all I know about it: > > This is a very interesting presentation - too much to take in one > visit! > > I live in Louisville, MS, an old town founded at the juncture of two > early trails shortly after the forcible removal of Choctaws to > Oklahoma. An antique store occupies about three old buildings, > including one which had some type of line-shaft driven machinery: I > have been told that it was a laundry. > > The line-shaft, bearings, sheaves and old-style electric motor of > unknown horsepower remain mounted in the building. The owners might > be willing to sell: I have no such information and I am not > authorized to speak for them. But it would be a pity if Jake the > junk man ( his real name!) got it to cut up for scrap. > > If you are interested, the address is: > > Becky's Antiques > > 221 W Main St > Louisville, MS 39339 > (662) 773-8272 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jan 8 16:56:39 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:56:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> > I do not trust the old bearing materials- I use new stuff and save the > melted out stuff for casting into cart wheels to make bearings. If I > am going to all the trouble, then why not do the best I can...... > Paul Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only lasted for 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! Dave From jbcast at charter.net Tue Jan 8 17:45:25 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:45:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20080108204526.3Q0ZX.738753.root@fepweb05> ---- David Rotigel wrote: > > I do not trust the old bearing materials- I use new stuff and save the > > melted out stuff for casting into cart wheels to make bearings. If I > > am going to all the trouble, then why not do the best I can...... > > Paul > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave Dave, I agree with Paul, but I would describe it as used babbit instead of old babbit. Re using babbit is questionable and too much work for the small price. J.B. From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jan 9 00:43:10 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:43:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> Message-ID: <005801c8529b$a9efc250$0601a8c0@altech> >> I do not trust the old bearing materials- I use new stuff and save the >> melted out stuff for casting into cart wheels to make bearings. If I >> am going to all the trouble, then why not do the best I can...... >> Paul > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave Settle down Oh Evil one. The old metal I referred to is unknown and I would bet my left nut NOT original in this case. I guess some of us try to slightly out do our forbears because of modern technology when it might not be necessary, but I hate having to do an engine twice. I could probably use straight lead, because the amount of use this engine will get would not make the slightest difference, but I will not. I do value all technical input from the Lists and make my decision accordingly. I sometimes seem to answer a question with a question, my prerogative, but sometimes we just like conformation from our peers to reinforce what we probably already know or think, just to make sure. My question this time brought out some lurkers and occasional posters and I appreciate this very much. Thanks to all who replied now and in advance for future responses. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From johnculp at btes.tv Wed Jan 9 05:13:02 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:13:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <005801c8529b$a9efc250$0601a8c0@altech> References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <005801c8529b$a9efc250$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: I don't blame you, Peter. I'd try to use the best stuff for the job, too, but any kind of babbitt would surely work fine given the circumstances. Personally, I'd put the old stuff in my bullet casting pot. Y'all watch your wheelweights if you park close to me. ;-) John On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > I could probably use straight lead, because the amount of use this > engine > will get would not make the slightest difference, but I will not. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 05:45:00 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 05:45:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <409448.34713.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very funny, Dr. John. You don't have any wheel weights on your wheels. I melted them down yesterday. Them and 45 other pounds of wheel weights. Actually I got to tire stores to get them. Some places will give me a box of W.Ws. and other places charge for them. The last bucket I bought is setting out there waiting. Twenty bucks for what feels like over 100 pounds. It is a heaped 5 gallon bucket. Yesterday I finished off the last one. Then I came in the house and washed my hands with the last bar of your soap. 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan John Culp wrote: I don't blame you, Peter. I'd try to use the best stuff for the job, too, but any kind of babbitt would surely work fine given the circumstances. Personally, I'd put the old stuff in my bullet casting pot. Y'all watch your wheelweights if you park close to me. ;-) John On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > I could probably use straight lead, because the amount of use this > engine > will get would not make the slightest difference, but I will not. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 06:04:49 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 23:04:49 +0900 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> Message-ID: <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject David. When white metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up. If you have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls can be added to make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its easier just to use some new stuff. Kindest Regards Ray Freeman Perth WA Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only lasted for 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 9 10:35:33 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:35:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! Message-ID: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this morning after a courageous battle with cancer. Bill lived in Memphis, Tenn. and he and I got to make a lot of memories together on engine trips. It seems the Lord wanted him more than we did and He called him home. I already miss him so much that I can hardly bare it, he was my only close engine friend and I have been to his home many times and he came to mine, it seemed like life was worth living when I was around Bill. He had so many projects lined up to do that he would have to live three lifetimes to do them all but he never stopped, he was such an inspiration to me. It is times like this when it makes me really question what it is I want out of life, what is really important and what is not, and I know this; that family and friends is what life is all about and Bill was my closest friend. Please pray for Bill's family as they endure the loss of this Husband, Daddy, Grandfather, Brother, and friend to all. Paul From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Jan 9 12:30:58 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:30:58 +1300 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Paul sorry to hear of your friends passing he will be truly missed by his friends and his family by what you shared he sounded like a lovely person..brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:35 AM Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this morning after a courageous battle with cancer. Bill lived in Memphis, Tenn. and he and I got to make a lot of memories together on engine trips. It seems the Lord wanted him more than we did and He called him home. > > I already miss him so much that I can hardly bare it, he was my only close engine friend and I have been to his home many times and he came to mine, it seemed like life was worth living when I was around Bill. He had so many projects lined up to do that he would have to live three lifetimes to do them all but he never stopped, he was such an inspiration to me. > > It is times like this when it makes me really question what it is I want out of life, what is really important and what is not, and I know this; that family and friends is what life is all about and Bill was my closest friend. > > Please pray for Bill's family as they endure the loss of this Husband, Daddy, Grandfather, Brother, and friend to all. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 13:40:54 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:40:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Floppy Drive Jumper Info needed Message-ID: <6f6025160801091340q7adc18e2ucde9e259466b2785@mail.gmail.com> This is a bit of an oddball request, but we have quite a few guys on the Lists that have experience in this field, I hope the others won't mind me asking. I am looking for some information on a 5-1/4" 1.2mb floppy drive, NEC FD-1057. It is configurable to various drive formats by means of jumpers, and I need to get hold of the settings table to check what I have here now. If anyone can help, please drop me a message off-list please. Many thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 9 14:14:05 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:14:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT: Floppy Drive Jumper Info needed In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801091340q7adc18e2ucde9e259466b2785@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801091340q7adc18e2ucde9e259466b2785@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ahhhh, Peter, I take it that you're working with Paul at the Internal Fire Museum? And you're working on an antique computing display to go along with their 1920's radio room and power house? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > I am looking for some information on a 5-1/4" 1.2mb floppy drive, NEC FD-1057. > -- > Peter A Forbes From driggars at wildblue.net Wed Jan 9 14:18:52 2008 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:18:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Floppy Drive Jumper Info needed In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801091340q7adc18e2ucde9e259466b2785@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160801091340q7adc18e2ucde9e259466b2785@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4785484C.4090002@wildblue.net> I would love that same info myself Clint Listerdiesel wrote: > This is a bit of an oddball request, but we have quite a few guys on > the Lists that have experience in this field, I hope the others won't > mind me asking. > > I am looking for some information on a 5-1/4" 1.2mb floppy drive, NEC FD-1057. > > It is configurable to various drive formats by means of jumpers, and I > need to get hold of the settings table to check what I have here now. > > If anyone can help, please drop me a message off-list please. > > Many thanks, > > Peter > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 9 14:36:19 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:36:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up." Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Im_Stupid/ Im_stupid.jpg for your free sign! On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject David. > When white > metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up. > If you > have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls can be > added to > make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its easier > just to > use some new stuff. > Kindest Regards > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jan 9 15:02:34 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:02:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: If I recall correctly, antimony oxidizes more readily that the other component metals of babbitt. The antimony oxidizes, you skim off the dross, and the remaining material is not what you put in the pot. Rob > Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? > (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you > buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses > some of its chemical or alloy make up." > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 9 15:17:38 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:17:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Babbit metal composition please References: <004501c851f0$73b9daa0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001101c85315$d78538b0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Peter .....do a Google on ''The Hoyt Book on the Lined Bearing'' . I see there are some copies available ,7th Edition . I have the 14th Edition ,tells all with some interesting info on jigs etc. I was kindly given mine by a tech school instructor many years ago . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Babbit metal composition please > Hi All > > We have been through this before in various forms, but I ask a question > from > THOSE WHO KNOW please. > > I am about to pour the bearings for my vertical R&V, these are not split > bearings but hollow cylindrical bearings with no adjustment. > I have melted out the old metal and I am assuming that it is not the > original 103 years old Babbitt, knowing the condition of the flywheels and > crankshaft. > Should I assume that, well to be safe I will !! > > Now what composition of Babbitt should I use, should I trust the old > bearings and re-use the metal or go with new clean stuff. > I have a full bar of "copper free" Babbitt that was used on the steam > engines at the sugar mill where I used to work, it was used on the gland > packing on the engines, is this too soft. I have no idea what composition > the new stuff I have is, only that it is Copper Free, but it is not as > heavy > as the stuff melted out of the old bearings. Does the old stuff have too > much lead in it and too soft? > I have used the Copper Free metal on my R&V Triumph Line engine and is > seems > OK. Remember these are not under load and only run at a few shows, but I > do > not want to have to pour them again. > Modern oils are also better these days. > > I do not mind going out and buying a new bar of Babbitt if the more > knowledgeable members here think I should. > There are a few on the LIST who do know so please do not sit on the fence, > guide me please either on or off the LIST. > plowe at exemail.com.au > > This was from Wikipedia > > 90% tin 10% copper > 89% tin 7% antimony 4% copper > 80% lead 15% antimony 5% tin > > This is from Wikipedia looking under White Metal > > % Sn % Sb % Cu % Pb Applications > 93 3.5 3.5 - Light and medium IC engine big end bearings > 86 10.5 3.5 - Light and medium IC engine main bearings > 80 11 3.0 6 General purpose heavy bearings (lead increases > plasticity) > 60 10 28.5 1.5 Heavy duty marine engine bearings, electrical machines > 40 10 1.5 48.5 Low cost, general purpose, medium duty bearings > > > > What should I do mates. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 15:21:02 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:21:02 +0900 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> I take my advice from people who pour large white metal bearings and buy tons of the stuff. The old stuff does degrade through melting it out and re melting it. It used to go as scrap but with analysis they can in most cases re use it by adding what's required. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 7:36 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up." Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Im_Stupid/ Im_stupid.jpg for your free sign! On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject David. > When white > metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up. > If you > have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls can be > added to > make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its easier > just to > use some new stuff. > Kindest Regards > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 9 15:45:08 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:45:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > I take my advice from people who pour large white metal bearings > and buy > tons of the stuff. The old stuff does degrade through melting it > out and re > melting it. It used to go as scrap but with analysis they can in > most cases > re use it by adding what's required. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA Hi Ray, I take my advice from a little old women who lives next door and knows how to turn babbitt into GOLD. Send me $5,000,000.00 (US) and I will tell you her secret! Dave PS, Did you get your sign yet? PPS, The engines we are talking about were built 80-100 years ago! PPPS, books, school, eat! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 9 15:41:28 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:41:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <00ab01c85319$2821ca10$210110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Brent, I appreciate your concern. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "brent" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > Paul sorry to hear of your friends passing he will be truly missed by his > friends and his family by what you shared he sounded like a lovely > person..brentnz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:35 AM > Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > > >> Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best > friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this morning > after a courageous battle with cancer. Bill lived in Memphis, Tenn. and he > and I got to make a lot of memories together on engine trips. It seems the > Lord wanted him more than we did and He called him home. >> >> I already miss him so much that I can hardly bare it, he was my only >> close > engine friend and I have been to his home many times and he came to mine, > it > seemed like life was worth living when I was around Bill. He had so many > projects lined up to do that he would have to live three lifetimes to do > them all but he never stopped, he was such an inspiration to me. >> >> It is times like this when it makes me really question what it is I want > out of life, what is really important and what is not, and I know this; > that > family and friends is what life is all about and Bill was my closest > friend. >> >> Please pray for Bill's family as they endure the loss of this Husband, > Daddy, Grandfather, Brother, and friend to all. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: >> 1/7/2008 > 9:14 AM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jan 9 15:54:24 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:54:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! In-Reply-To: <00ab01c85319$2821ca10$210110ac@FAMILY> References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <00ab01c85319$2821ca10$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <47855EB0.1040504@scrtc.com> Paul, Bill and I hooked up on a few occasions at shows and traded numerous emails, photos, etc. He was truly a gentleman and will be missed in the old iron hobby and those that knew him. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Paul Maples wrote: >Thanks Brent, I appreciate your concern. > >Paul >----- Original Message ----- >From: "brent" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:30 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > > > > >>Paul sorry to hear of your friends passing he will be truly missed by his >>friends and his family by what you shared he sounded like a lovely >>person..brentnz >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Paul Maples" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:35 AM >>Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! >> >> >> >> >>>Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best >>> >>> >>friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this morning >>after a courageous battle with cancer. Bill lived in Memphis, Tenn. and he >>and I got to make a lot of memories together on engine trips. It seems the >>Lord wanted him more than we did and He called him home. >> >> >>>I already miss him so much that I can hardly bare it, he was my only >>>close >>> >>> >>engine friend and I have been to his home many times and he came to mine, >>it >>seemed like life was worth living when I was around Bill. He had so many >>projects lined up to do that he would have to live three lifetimes to do >>them all but he never stopped, he was such an inspiration to me. >> >> >>>It is times like this when it makes me really question what it is I want >>> >>> >>out of life, what is really important and what is not, and I know this; >>that >>family and friends is what life is all about and Bill was my closest >>friend. >> >> >>>Please pray for Bill's family as they endure the loss of this Husband, >>> >>> >>Daddy, Grandfather, Brother, and friend to all. >> >> >>>Paul >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: >>>1/7/2008 >>> >>> >>9:14 AM >> >> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 15:58:44 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:58:44 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING Message-ID: <001401c8531b$941118f0$210110ac@Chester> Hi, i am currently restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i came to the big end, i was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no shims fitted, anyway it is really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as this is a bronze? block bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be welded up & milled out?, any ideas & comments welcome. Cheers, Chester from West Aus. From skipl130 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 16:20:35 2008 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:20:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING In-Reply-To: <001401c8531b$941118f0$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <754925.79351.qm@web35305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> chester, i brazed & remachined the one for my 10 horse famous. still running. skip SERVICE wrote: Hi, i am currently restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i came to the big end, i was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no shims fitted, anyway it is really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as this is a bronze? block bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be welded up & milled out?, any ideas & comments welcome. Cheers, Chester from West Aus. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 9 16:25:45 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:25:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe><00ab01c85319$2821ca10$210110ac@FAMILY> <47855EB0.1040504@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00c201c8531f$58232910$210110ac@FAMILY> Tommy, Bill always talked about you, always asking me if I had heard from you and when I picked up the Mill he told me to be sure and tell you "hello" from him. He told me what a fine person you were and how he really looked up to you.Bill thought a lot of you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > Paul, > Bill and I hooked up on a few occasions at shows and traded numerous > emails, photos, etc. He was truly a gentleman and will be missed in the > old iron hobby and those that knew him. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > listinfo/sel From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 16:33:36 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:33:36 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING References: <754925.79351.qm@web35305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004001c85320$703d3ee0$210110ac@Chester> thanks Skip, i just have to find someone to do it, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Landis" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > chester, i brazed & remachined the one for my 10 horse famous. still > running. skip > > SERVICE wrote: Hi, i am currently > restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i came to the big end, i > was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no shims fitted, anyway it is > really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as this is a bronze? block > bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be welded up & milled out?, > any ideas & comments welcome. > Cheers, > Chester from West Aus. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jan 9 16:31:15 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:31:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <01ec01c85320$1c4c9920$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Heating and reheating does not hurt a bit. The problem comes when it gets too hot and lots of dross forms, most of this is tin and the combination of heat and skimming can over time alter the alloy. At one time we greatly reduced this from happening by using soldering oil in wave soldering machines. Works pretty good and solves the problem but gets another one. Over time some of the oil will char and eventually begin to deposit on the circuit board being soldered. The only way to fix this is to drain the pot and scrape it clean. Soldering oil also requires a solvent cleaning process which has so many environmental problems almost nobody does it now. By the way I am talking about soldering printed circuit boards. Solder is not a whole lot different that babbit so I think the comparison applies. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. replace nomore with net to send mail jd.kirkes at verizon.nomore ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up." Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Im_Stupid/ Im_stupid.jpg for your free sign! On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject > David. > When white > metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy > make up. > If you > have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls > can be > added to > make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its > easier > just to > use some new stuff. > Kindest Regards > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only > lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jan 9 16:31:15 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:31:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <01f301c85320$50e8ebc0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Heating and reheating does not hurt a bit. The problem comes when it gets too hot and lots of dross forms, most of this is tin and the combination of heat and skimming can over time alter the alloy. At one time we greatly reduced this from happening by using soldering oil in wave soldering machines. Works pretty good and solves the problem but gets another one. Over time some of the oil will char and eventually begin to deposit on the circuit board being soldered. The only way to fix this is to drain the pot and scrape it clean. Soldering oil also requires a solvent cleaning process which has so many environmental problems almost nobody does it now. By the way I am talking about soldering printed circuit boards. Solder is not a whole lot different that babbit so I think the comparison applies. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. replace nomore with net to send mail jd.kirkes at verizon.nomore ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up." Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Im_Stupid/ Im_stupid.jpg for your free sign! On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject > David. > When white > metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy > make up. > If you > have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls > can be > added to > make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its > easier > just to > use some new stuff. > Kindest Regards > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only > lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jan 9 16:31:15 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:31:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <020101c85320$7ad69040$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Heating and reheating does not hurt a bit. The problem comes when it gets too hot and lots of dross forms, most of this is tin and the combination of heat and skimming can over time alter the alloy. At one time we greatly reduced this from happening by using soldering oil in wave soldering machines. Works pretty good and solves the problem but gets another one. Over time some of the oil will char and eventually begin to deposit on the circuit board being soldered. The only way to fix this is to drain the pot and scrape it clean. Soldering oil also requires a solvent cleaning process which has so many environmental problems almost nobody does it now. By the way I am talking about soldering printed circuit boards. Solder is not a whole lot different that babbit so I think the comparison applies. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. replace nomore with net to send mail jd.kirkes at verizon.nomore ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up." Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Im_Stupid/ Im_stupid.jpg for your free sign! On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject > David. > When white > metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy > make up. > If you > have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls > can be > added to > make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its > easier > just to > use some new stuff. > Kindest Regards > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only > lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jan 9 16:31:15 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:31:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <002201c85320$eb14b1c0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Heating and reheating does not hurt a bit. The problem comes when it gets too hot and lots of dross forms, most of this is tin and the combination of heat and skimming can over time alter the alloy. At one time we greatly reduced this from happening by using soldering oil in wave soldering machines. Works pretty good and solves the problem but gets another one. Over time some of the oil will char and eventually begin to deposit on the circuit board being soldered. The only way to fix this is to drain the pot and scrape it clean. Soldering oil also requires a solvent cleaning process which has so many environmental problems almost nobody does it now. By the way I am talking about soldering printed circuit boards. Solder is not a whole lot different that babbit so I think the comparison applies. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. replace nomore with net to send mail jd.kirkes at verizon.nomore ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades Hi Ray, HOW THE HELL do pour babbitt without "reheating" heating it? (It was heated at least once in order to make the ingots that you buy.) Use what the hell you want--but don't heat it, for "it loses some of its chemical or alloy make up." Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Im_Stupid/ Im_stupid.jpg for your free sign! On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > Unlike you to speak with out being informed on the subject > David. > When white > metal is remelted it loses some of its chemical or alloy > make up. > If you > have the technology it can be analysed and the short falls > can be > added to > make it good again. For us un ejumicated engine blokes its > easier > just to > use some new stuff. > Kindest Regards > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > > Boy Paul I sure agree with you on this. That old crap only > lasted for > 80-100 years. The new stuff is a LOT better! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 17:10:22 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:10:22 +0900 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <001001c85325$92db2570$b8917050$@net.au> Hi Dave, I thought you were the little old woman. The cheques in the mail by the way. How much is $5,000,000.00 US these days? Can she prove the earth is flat as well. Ray PS Thanks for the sign PPS That long? PPS Did those old engine makers pour their bearings out of used Babbitt? PPPS Thanks for the laugh! :D -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 8:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades On Jan 9, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > I take my advice from people who pour large white metal bearings > and buy > tons of the stuff. The old stuff does degrade through melting it > out and re > melting it. It used to go as scrap but with analysis they can in > most cases > re use it by adding what's required. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA Hi Ray, I take my advice from a little old women who lives next door and knows how to turn babbitt into GOLD. Send me $5,000,000.00 (US) and I will tell you her secret! Dave PS, Did you get your sign yet? PPS, The engines we are talking about were built 80-100 years ago! PPPS, books, school, eat! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jan 9 17:46:59 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:46:59 EST Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING Message-ID: Chester, I had the same thing on my 6 Famous, I machined the laps where the bearings fit together until the worn(largest worn diameter) area was now the diameter of the crankshaft. Of course this still makes the hole in the bronze oval shape. Correct this by machining out the bronze to the correct diameter of the crank and rework the radiuses on the edges. Put in a few thousands shims when putting it on the crank and it should last another hundred years. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 18:18:00 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:18:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT: Floppy Drive Jumper Info needed In-Reply-To: <4785484C.4090002@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <165020.78421.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So sorry, I just scrapped out a pickup load of old computers with 5 1/4" drives. There were a lot of manuals with them too. I think there are several boxes of those floppies downstairs. Not a drive in the house though. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Clint D wrote: I would love that same info myself Clint Listerdiesel wrote: > This is a bit of an oddball request, but we have quite a few guys on > the Lists that have experience in this field, I hope the others won't > mind me asking. > > I am looking for some information on a 5-1/4" 1.2mb floppy drive, NEC FD-1057. > > It is configurable to various drive formats by means of jumpers, and I > need to get hold of the settings table to check what I have here now. > > If anyone can help, please drop me a message off-list please. > > Many thanks, > > Peter > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 19:04:49 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:04:49 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING References: Message-ID: <009201c85335$9269d2c0$210110ac@Chester> Thanks Tom, that gives me another option, Chester ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > Chester, > > I had the same thing on my 6 Famous, I machined the laps where the > bearings > fit together until the worn(largest worn diameter) area was now the > diameter of > the crankshaft. Of course this still makes the hole in the bronze oval > shape. Correct this by machining out the bronze to the correct diameter > of the > crank and rework the radiuses on the edges. Put in a few thousands shims > when > putting it on the crank and it should last another hundred years. > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 9 19:05:11 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:05:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING References: <001401c8531b$941118f0$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <005701c85335$a138b780$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Chester.......Toms procedure is a good one ,simple and effective.....no brazing! Give me the size of the crank journal and send and the two bearing block halves down .....perhaps to Harry? I'll be away for a few days ,it's no trouble . Good news ........Danny poured the first bearing cap for the Hot Tube engine using his home built gas and oxy furnace.Unfortunately it was not a good pour but at least he is on the go and trying.....he has to modify his moulding box. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > Hi, i am currently restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i > came to the big end, i was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no > shims fitted, anyway it is really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as > this is a bronze? block bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be > welded up & milled out?, any ideas & comments welcome. > Cheers, > Chester from West Aus. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 19:06:15 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:06:15 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING In-Reply-To: <004001c85320$703d3ee0$210110ac@Chester> References: <754925.79351.qm@web35305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004001c85320$703d3ee0$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <001401c85335$c33917d0$49ab4770$@net.au> Send me a pic Chester. I can likely do it Ray Freeman plb at iinet.net -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 9:34 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING thanks Skip, i just have to find someone to do it, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Landis" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > chester, i brazed & remachined the one for my 10 horse famous. still > running. skip > > SERVICE wrote: Hi, i am currently > restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i came to the big end, i > was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no shims fitted, anyway it is > really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as this is a bronze? block > bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be welded up & milled out?, > any ideas & comments welcome. > Cheers, > Chester from West Aus. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 9 19:08:12 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:08:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> <001001c85325$92db2570$b8917050$@net.au> Message-ID: <006101c85336$0cafdb10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Ray, fortunately I was away when the last out burst came from this drongo but I have heard about it ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades > Hi Dave, I thought you were the little old woman. The cheques in the mail > by > the way. How much is $5,000,000.00 US these days? Can she prove the earth > is > flat as well. > Ray > PS Thanks for the sign > PPS That long? > PPS Did those old engine makers pour their bearings out of used Babbitt? > PPPS Thanks for the laugh! :D > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 8:45 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > >> I take my advice from people who pour large white metal bearings >> and buy >> tons of the stuff. The old stuff does degrade through melting it >> out and re >> melting it. It used to go as scrap but with analysis they can in >> most cases >> re use it by adding what's required. >> Ray Freeman >> Perth WA > > Hi Ray, I take my advice from a little old women who lives next door > and knows how to turn babbitt into GOLD. Send me $5,000,000.00 (US) > and I will tell you her secret! > Dave > PS, Did you get your sign yet? > PPS, The engines we are talking about were built 80-100 years ago! > PPPS, books, school, eat! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at btes.tv Wed Jan 9 19:19:48 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:19:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! In-Reply-To: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Oh, no! I had no idea he was in that kind of shape. Bill was a good friend, just a terrific guy. I'll certainly pray for his family. John On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best > friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this > morning after a courageous battle with cancer. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 9 19:40:51 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:40:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <003c01c8533a$99451870$210110ac@FAMILY> Thanks John, he is going to be missed for sure. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > Oh, no! I had no idea he was in that kind of shape. Bill was a good > friend, just a terrific guy. > I'll certainly pray for his family. > > John > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best >> friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this >> morning after a courageous battle with cancer. /sel From billmil357 at aol.com Wed Jan 9 21:32:06 2008 From: billmil357 at aol.com (billmil357 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:32:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! In-Reply-To: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <8CA216145946B38-F6C-6537@WEBMAIL-DG15> Paul, Dave and everyone, Arrangements for Billy Miller:? ? Visitation will be from 5:30 - 8:00 P.M., Friday 1/11/08, at Forest Hill East 2440 Whitten Rd. Memphis, TN 38184 (901) 382-1000? ? The Memorial Service will be at 1:00 P.M., Saturday 1/12/08, at First Presbyterian Church 166 Poplar Ave, Memphis, TN 38103?- (901) 525-5619.? ? The family requests that any memorials be sent to First Presbyterian Church.? Dad would be proud to know that Marc my 14 year old son told me the other day that no matter how long it takes all the engine and Cub Cadet projects WILL be completed, and the Ferguson TE20 ?(that belonged to my Grandad, dad's dad) WILL be completed. I'll try to write something more soon. Thanks for the thoughts and prayers Randy Miller -----Original Message----- From: Paul Maples To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:35 am Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! Folks it is with a heavy heart that I have to tell you that my best friend, and a friend to many of you, Bill Miller passed away this morning after a courageous battle with cancer. Bill lived in Memphis, Tenn. and he and I got to make a lot of memories together on engine trips. It seems the Lord wanted him more than we did and He called him home. I already miss him so much that I can hardly bare it, he was my only close engine friend and I have been to his home many times and he came to mine, it seemed like life was worth living when I was around Bill. He had so many projects lined up to do that he would have to live three lifetimes to do them all but he never stopped, he was such an inspiration to me. It is times like this when it makes me really question what it is I want out of life, what is really important and what is not, and I know this; that family and friends is what life is all about and Bill was my closest friend. Please pray for Bill's family as they endure the loss of this Husband, Daddy, Grandfather, Brother, and friend to all. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 22:41:31 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:41:31 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING References: <001401c8531b$941118f0$210110ac@Chester> <005701c85335$a138b780$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <00d801c85353$d6860f00$210110ac@Chester> Peter, thanks for the offer, i have to come to Albany within the next 2 weeks, i will bring them down & see what you think. Good news on the cap castings, hopefully he will sort it, cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > Chester.......Toms procedure is a good one ,simple and effective.....no > brazing! Give me the size of the crank journal and send and the two > bearing > block halves down .....perhaps to Harry? > I'll be away for a few days ,it's no trouble . > Good news ........Danny poured the first bearing cap for the Hot Tube > engine > using his home built gas and oxy furnace.Unfortunately it was not a good > pour but at least he is on the go and trying.....he has to modify his > moulding box. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SERVICE" > To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:58 AM > Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > > >> Hi, i am currently restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i >> came to the big end, i was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no >> shims fitted, anyway it is really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as >> this is a bronze? block bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be >> welded up & milled out?, any ideas & comments welcome. >> Cheers, >> Chester from West Aus. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 22:43:03 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:43:03 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING References: <754925.79351.qm@web35305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004001c85320$703d3ee0$210110ac@Chester> <001401c85335$c33917d0$49ab4770$@net.au> Message-ID: <00de01c85354$0ca6dec0$210110ac@Chester> Ray, thanks for the offer, as i have to go to Albany, i will take it to Peter to see if he can repair, cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > Send me a pic Chester. I can likely do it > Ray Freeman > plb at iinet.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 9:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > > thanks Skip, i just have to find someone to do it, Chester. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Landis" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > > >> chester, i brazed & remachined the one for my 10 horse famous. still >> running. skip >> >> SERVICE wrote: Hi, i am currently >> restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i came to the big end, >> i > >> was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no shims fitted, anyway it >> is > >> really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as this is a bronze? block >> bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be welded up & milled >> out?, > >> any ideas & comments welcome. >> Cheers, >> Chester from West Aus. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try >> it > >> now. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 9 22:55:30 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:55:30 +0900 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <4785C162.40509@optusnet.com.au> David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Ray, I take my advice from a little old women who lives next door > and knows how to turn babbitt into GOLD. Send me $5,000,000.00 (US) > and I will tell you her secret! > Dave > PS, Did you get your sign yet? > PPS, The engines we are talking about were built 80-100 years ago! > PPPS, books, school, eat! etc etc (snipperd) === Dave, It's time you stopped rehearsing for the "Grumpy Old Men" movies part. People are getting sick of it. In case you hadn't heard, Lemmon died in 1991 and his character's part has been taken. Jack === From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Jan 10 00:00:06 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:00:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING References: <001401c8531b$941118f0$210110ac@Chester><005701c85335$a138b780$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <00d801c85353$d6860f00$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <001901c8535e$d483d560$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Chester when you come don't forget to bring the big end bolts............I may be on crutches, going for a small op on my ankle today week ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > Peter, thanks for the offer, i have to come to Albany within the next 2 > weeks, i will bring them down & see what you think. Good news on the cap > castings, hopefully he will sort it, > cheers, Chester. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > > >> Chester.......Toms procedure is a good one ,simple and effective.....no >> brazing! Give me the size of the crank journal and send and the two >> bearing >> block halves down .....perhaps to Harry? >> I'll be away for a few days ,it's no trouble . >> Good news ........Danny poured the first bearing cap for the Hot Tube >> engine >> using his home built gas and oxy furnace.Unfortunately it was not a good >> pour but at least he is on the go and trying.....he has to modify his >> moulding box. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "SERVICE" >> To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:58 AM >> Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING >> >> >>> Hi, i am currently restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i >>> came to the big end, i was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no >>> shims fitted, anyway it is really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as >>> this is a bronze? block bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings >>> be >>> welded up & milled out?, any ideas & comments welcome. >>> Cheers, >>> Chester from West Aus. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 10 00:49:01 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:49:01 +0900 Subject: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING In-Reply-To: <00de01c85354$0ca6dec0$210110ac@Chester> References: <754925.79351.qm@web35305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004001c85320$703d3ee0$210110ac@Chester> <001401c85335$c33917d0$49ab4770$@net.au> <00de01c85354$0ca6dec0$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <004201c85365$a58f8db0$f0aea910$@net.au> No problems Chester.If I can help with welding,machining or spark eroding any time let me know. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 3:43 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING Ray, thanks for the offer, as i have to go to Albany, i will take it to Peter to see if he can repair, cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > Send me a pic Chester. I can likely do it > Ray Freeman > plb at iinet.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of SERVICE > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 9:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > > thanks Skip, i just have to find someone to do it, Chester. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Landis" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC BIG END BEARING > > >> chester, i brazed & remachined the one for my 10 horse famous. still >> running. skip >> >> SERVICE wrote: Hi, i am currently >> restoring a 8hp famous, its all going well untill i came to the big end, >> i > >> was worried when i pulled it apart as it had no shims fitted, anyway it >> is > >> really worn, probaly about 1/16 or more, as this is a bronze? block >> bearing, is there any fix?, could the bearings be welded up & milled >> out?, > >> any ideas & comments welcome. >> Cheers, >> Chester from West Aus. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try >> it > >> now. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 10 00:52:09 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:52:09 +0900 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades In-Reply-To: <006101c85336$0cafdb10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> <001001c85325$92db2570$b8917050$@net.au> <006101c85336$0cafdb10$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004301c85366$15b37070$411a5150$@net.au> Peter,that was a very unfortunate week on SEL,caused a lot of bad feeling and destroyed the credibility of a number of list members. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 12:08 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades Ray, fortunately I was away when the last out burst came from this drongo but I have heard about it ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades > Hi Dave, I thought you were the little old woman. The cheques in the mail > by > the way. How much is $5,000,000.00 US these days? Can she prove the earth > is > flat as well. > Ray > PS Thanks for the sign > PPS That long? > PPS Did those old engine makers pour their bearings out of used Babbitt? > PPPS Thanks for the laugh! :D > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 8:45 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > >> I take my advice from people who pour large white metal bearings >> and buy >> tons of the stuff. The old stuff does degrade through melting it >> out and re >> melting it. It used to go as scrap but with analysis they can in >> most cases >> re use it by adding what's required. >> Ray Freeman >> Perth WA > > Hi Ray, I take my advice from a little old women who lives next door > and knows how to turn babbitt into GOLD. Send me $5,000,000.00 (US) > and I will tell you her secret! > Dave > PS, Did you get your sign yet? > PPS, The engines we are talking about were built 80-100 years ago! > PPPS, books, school, eat! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 08:24:57 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:24:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! In-Reply-To: <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: Hi Paul, I'm sorry to hear about Bill, but it brings to mind a little story that says a lot about the man. Remember several years ago when you unloaded that old T model on my little brother? Well somehow I guess Bill found out that Mike couldn't read or write and knew that we would be traveling through lots of confusing intersections in Memphis on the way to your house. Bill got in his car and drove through them all with his camera and took pictures of all the intersections and e-mailed them to Mike. That way when we got to a a confusing place I could just hold up the picture and say to Mike "Turn the truck when it looks like this"! And you know Mike made it all the way thanks to Bill. The only problem we had was that incident in the Memphis motel where Mike saw Elvis! This is really a true story ! Steve Royster>> Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone!> > _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 09:46:13 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:46:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! In-Reply-To: References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <6f6025160801100946j7b38164tceffe14a7469e892@mail.gmail.com> On 10/01/2008, Steve Royster wrote: > > Hi Paul, I'm sorry to hear about Bill, but it brings to mind a little story that says a lot about the man. Remember several years ago when you unloaded that old T model on my little brother? Well somehow I guess Bill found out that Mike couldn't read or write and knew that we would be traveling through lots of confusing intersections in Memphis on the way to your house. Bill got in his car and drove through them all with his camera and took pictures of all the intersections and e-mailed them to Mike. That way when we got to a a confusing place I could just hold up the picture and say to Mike "Turn the truck when it looks like this"! And you know Mike made it all the way thanks to Bill. The only problem we had was that incident in the Memphis motel where Mike saw Elvis! This is really a true story ! Steve Royster> We will all be remembered for our actions, not our words. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From MBellar at aol.com Thu Jan 10 11:23:17 2008 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:23:17 EST Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 1/7/2008 9:54:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: Didn't realize Don rebuilt igniters. My engine is in serious need of an overhaul--hopefully rings will do the trick. The only thing holding me back is that it needs new mains as well and I just don't have time to get that deep into right now! I mentioned to Don that the moving electrode shaft was stuck and bent in the igniter housing so that even if it was loose it could not be removed from the casting. I asked him if he had movable electrode castings, and he said only rough castings, but I can replace the bent shaft and attach your electrode end to a new shaft machined to fit your housing. My thoughts were HOT DOG another problem solved. Do you think that one could put a bushing inside the old mains? The cost of raw bushing material the size of the original mains is staggering. Tom Bellar **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jan 10 11:37:16 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:37:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478673EC.3020709@imc-group.com> MBellar at aol.com wrote: > I mentioned to Don that the moving electrode shaft was stuck and bent in the > igniter housing so that even if it was loose it could not be removed from > the casting. I asked him if he had movable electrode castings, and he said only > rough castings, but I can replace the bent shaft and attach your electrode > end to a new shaft machined to fit your housing. My thoughts were HOT DOG > another problem solved. > > Tom, When rebuilding mine, I've just picked the next largest size of TG&P material available that would clean the hole up, even using metric sizes if needed. The I buy a reamer a thou over that TG&P size and opening the ignitor housing up. Put a little step on the end of the shaft to fit in the old electrode head and fit it all up. Works great. Curt From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Jan 10 13:32:25 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:32:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] babbitt grades....M/C Lifts References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au> <4785C162.40509@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <000a01c853d0$4f25f610$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Jack ,more like little old grumpy lady!! However to more important things .Have you seen the latest Model Engineers Workshop No 130.There is a simple M/C lift .I am building one I found a nice little Trolley Jack at Auto One. I think a scissors type is the better arrangement ,more stable and will I will attempt to make adapt a few ideas into it. It would be good for your Velo's and certainly great for my Raleigh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Watson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] babbitt grades > David Rotigel wrote: > >> Hi Ray, I take my advice from a little old women who lives next door >> and knows how to turn babbitt into GOLD. Send me $5,000,000.00 (US) >> and I will tell you her secret! >> Dave >> PS, Did you get your sign yet? >> PPS, The engines we are talking about were built 80-100 years ago! >> PPPS, books, school, eat! > etc etc (snipperd) > === > Dave, It's time you stopped rehearsing for the "Grumpy Old Men" movies > part. People are getting sick of it. In case you hadn't heard, Lemmon > died in 1991 and his character's part has been taken. > > Jack > === > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Thu Jan 10 15:00:03 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:00:03 +1300 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <6f6025160801100946j7b38164tceffe14a7469e892@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003a01c853dc$898ba500$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> That was thoughtful thing to do. brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > On 10/01/2008, Steve Royster wrote: > > > > Hi Paul, I'm sorry to hear about Bill, but it brings to mind a little story that says a lot about the man. Remember several years ago when you unloaded that old T model on my little brother? Well somehow I guess Bill found out that Mike couldn't read or write and knew that we would be traveling through lots of confusing intersections in Memphis on the way to your house. Bill got in his car and drove through them all with his camera and took pictures of all the intersections and e-mailed them to Mike. That way when we got to a a confusing place I could just hold up the picture and say to Mike "Turn the truck when it looks like this"! And you know Mike made it all the way thanks to Bill. The only problem we had was that incident in the Memphis motel where Mike saw Elvis! This is really a true story ! Steve Royster> > > We will all be remembered for our actions, not our words. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 10 15:54:00 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:54:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY><008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <019d01c853e4$139e9cf0$210110ac@FAMILY> Hello Steve, I remember this well. Bill and I talked about you and Mike coming after the "T" and Bill was worried you might get lost around Memphis and he told me he went out and would drive down the interstate and take pictures at the different intersections to show you which way to go. It was a wonder he did not get killed driving and trying to look through a view finder on a camera but then this was Bill, he would do anything for anyone. I have never seen anyone who loved life as Bill did, he never stopped, went a 100 MPH all the time. I sure miss him. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > > Hi Paul, I'm sorry to hear about Bill, but it brings to mind a little > story that says a lot about the man. Remember several years ago when you > unloaded that old T model on my little brother? Well somehow I guess > Bill found out that Mike couldn't read or write and knew that we would be > traveling through lots of confusing intersections in Memphis on the way to > your house. Bill got in his car and drove through them all with his camera > and took pictures of all the intersections and e-mailed them to Mike. That > way when we got to a a confusing place I could just hold up the picture > and say to Mike From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 10 15:55:47 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:55:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY><008801c852fe$8bc4f210$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <6f6025160801100946j7b38164tceffe14a7469e892@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01a201c853e4$52a93950$210110ac@FAMILY> Good thought Peter, and how true. This is why so many people will remember Bill, he loved people and he loved helping people, he was a true man of God, always giving. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > On 10/01/2008, Steve Royster wrote: >> >> Hi Paul, I'm sorry to hear about Bill, but it brings to mind a little >> story that says a lot about the man. Remember several years ago when you >> unloaded that old T model on my little brother? Well somehow I guess >> Bill found out that Mike couldn't read or write and knew that we would be >> traveling through lots of confusing intersections in Memphis on the way >> to your house. Bill got in his car and drove through them all with his >> camera and took pictures of all the intersections and e-mailed them to >> Mike From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Jan 10 18:45:34 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:45:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine References: Message-ID: <005501c853fc$0ab9c570$62d64c0c@D48VHZ61> I just checked McMaster to get an idea of the price and it appears it would run anywhere from $80-200 for the matl (just guessing at the sizes). I'd hate to think what it would cost to buy solid matl instead of tube. If it were my engine, I wouldn't go to the trouble of putting a bushing in a bushing. I would (and will when I get around to it on mine) spend the extra for the larger matl to make new bushings. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine >> > Do you think that one could put a bushing inside the old mains? The cost > of > raw bushing material the size of the original mains is staggering. > > Tom Bellar > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jan 10 19:18:24 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:18:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine In-Reply-To: <005501c853fc$0ab9c570$62d64c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <005501c853fc$0ab9c570$62d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <4786E000.3080603@scrtc.com> Years ago (late 70's) I repaired a worn brass rod bearing with a piece of 2 inch brass pipe nipple I got at a scrap yard for something like $4. I turned the inside of the bearing until it was round, turned the outside of the nipple until it fit then soldered it in place. I cut it to width and then split it, put some shims in it then chucked it back in the lathe and turned the interior to fit the crank. I ran the engine for several years at shows and at home. Never had a problem and never had to tighten the bearing. On another brass bearing I sanded the interior of the bearing surface good, tinned it, then sat a piece of cold rolled in the center leaving about 1/4 inch between it and the bearing. I had put shims in it out of some gasket material and had them long enough they touched the cold rolled. I then poured it full of babbitt. I chucked it in the lathe and cut the babbitt out to fit the crank. I ran this engine at many shows and never had a problem. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY John Hall wrote: >I just checked McMaster to get an idea of the price and it appears it would >run anywhere from $80-200 for the matl (just guessing at the sizes). I'd >hate to think what it would cost to buy solid matl instead of tube. > >If it were my engine, I wouldn't go to the trouble of putting a bushing in a >bushing. I would (and will when I get around to it on mine) spend the extra >for the larger matl to make new bushings. > >John > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:23 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > > > > >>Do you think that one could put a bushing inside the old mains? The cost >>of >>raw bushing material the size of the original mains is staggering. >> >>Tom Bellar >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Thu Jan 10 21:31:45 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:31:45 +1300 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine References: <005501c853fc$0ab9c570$62d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <4786E000.3080603@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001001c85413$42b8ac90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter just check the centre hub cap you will be alright if they are the push in type the ywill take the later rims alright its the older style hex type that doesnt brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > Years ago (late 70's) I repaired a worn brass rod bearing with a piece > of 2 inch brass pipe nipple I got at a scrap yard for something like > $4. I turned the inside of the bearing until it was round, turned the > outside of the nipple until it fit then soldered it in place. I cut it > to width and then split it, put some shims in it then chucked it back in > the lathe and turned the interior to fit the crank. I ran the engine > for several years at shows and at home. Never had a problem and never > had to tighten the bearing. On another brass bearing I sanded the > interior of the bearing surface good, tinned it, then sat a piece of > cold rolled in the center leaving about 1/4 inch between it and the > bearing. I had put shims in it out of some gasket material and had them > long enough they touched the cold rolled. I then poured it full of > babbitt. I chucked it in the lathe and cut the babbitt out to fit the > crank. I ran this engine at many shows and never had a problem. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > John Hall wrote: > > >I just checked McMaster to get an idea of the price and it appears it would > >run anywhere from $80-200 for the matl (just guessing at the sizes). I'd > >hate to think what it would cost to buy solid matl instead of tube. > > > >If it were my engine, I wouldn't go to the trouble of putting a bushing in a > >bushing. I would (and will when I get around to it on mine) spend the extra > >for the larger matl to make new bushings. > > > >John > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:23 PM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > > > > > > > > > >>Do you think that one could put a bushing inside the old mains? The cost > >>of > >>raw bushing material the size of the original mains is staggering. > >> > >>Tom Bellar > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Thu Jan 10 22:00:44 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:00:44 +1300 Subject: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine References: <005501c853fc$0ab9c570$62d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <4786E000.3080603@scrtc.com> <001001c85413$42b8ac90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <001201c85417$4e6a9d10$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Sorry guys wrong forum unless your restoring an austin pickup.. brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "brent" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > Peter just check the centre hub cap you will be alright if they are the push > in type the ywill take the later rims alright its the older style hex type > that doesnt brent > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > > > > Years ago (late 70's) I repaired a worn brass rod bearing with a piece > > of 2 inch brass pipe nipple I got at a scrap yard for something like > > $4. I turned the inside of the bearing until it was round, turned the > > outside of the nipple until it fit then soldered it in place. I cut it > > to width and then split it, put some shims in it then chucked it back in > > the lathe and turned the interior to fit the crank. I ran the engine > > for several years at shows and at home. Never had a problem and never > > had to tighten the bearing. On another brass bearing I sanded the > > interior of the bearing surface good, tinned it, then sat a piece of > > cold rolled in the center leaving about 1/4 inch between it and the > > bearing. I had put shims in it out of some gasket material and had them > > long enough they touched the cold rolled. I then poured it full of > > babbitt. I chucked it in the lathe and cut the babbitt out to fit the > > crank. I ran this engine at many shows and never had a problem. > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > > John Hall wrote: > > > > >I just checked McMaster to get an idea of the price and it appears it > would > > >run anywhere from $80-200 for the matl (just guessing at the sizes). I'd > > >hate to think what it would cost to buy solid matl instead of tube. > > > > > >If it were my engine, I wouldn't go to the trouble of putting a bushing > in a > > >bushing. I would (and will when I get around to it on mine) spend the > extra > > >for the larger matl to make new bushings. > > > > > >John > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: > > >To: > > >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:23 PM > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] On Topic IHC Famous Engine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Do you think that one could put a bushing inside the old mains? The cost > > >>of > > >>raw bushing material the size of the original mains is staggering. > > >> > > >>Tom Bellar > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 > 1:32 PM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Jan 11 02:06:22 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:06:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_engine__M/C_Lifts?= References: <7C674336-C0D5-45C3-9DEE-83B9B0B700BE@zoominternet.net> <62AE0D53-8921-4214-A7BC-4110E2726080@alltel.net> <004101c852c8$993b8250$cbb286f0$@net.au> <000c01c85316$4cd40b50$e67c21f0$@net.au><4785C162.40509@optusnet.com.au> <000a01c853d0$4f25f610$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002d01c85439$9e7a66b0$0601a8c0@altech> For the price of those things out of China Peter, I would rather buy one and restore engines with the time saved;-)) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MOTORCYCLE-ATV-LIFTER-LIFT-QUAD-BIKES-EASILY_W0QQitemZ300187691524QQihZ020QQcategoryZ105812QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MOTORCYCLE-LIFT-LIFTER-HYDRAULIC-LIFT-TO-OVER-800MM_W0QQitemZ300187378477QQihZ020QQcategoryZ32628QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Peter, Oz > However to more important things .Have you seen the latest Model Engineers > Workshop No 130.There is a simple M/C lift .I am building one I found a > nice > little Trolley Jack at Auto One. I think a scissors type is the better > arrangement ,more stable and will I will attempt to make adapt a few ideas > into it. It would be good for your Velo's and certainly great for my > Raleigh. From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 11 11:17:04 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:17:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, This is a really off topic post but what the heck. I've had a really s___t week and just feel like spreading the load amongst my mates. I live in an area of South Africa prone to very heavy electrical thunderstorms and do have all the necessary "lightning protectors" etc. installed on my house, computers and such but in the last 2 weeks we have had 2 thunderstorms here, the like of which I've not experienced since moving here in 1969. (Can I blame this on America - climate change and the like ??) :-) The first was at 12:15 one morning about 2 weeks ago. It knocked out my telephone lines, my cordless telephone as well as the "lightning protector" it was connected through, woke me up, scared the hell out of my pets (dogs & cats) and me as well. Remember that this is an area prone to heavy storms and I'm used to them but this one was just too close for comfort. The next one was at 5.20 last Saturday morning when we scored a "direct hit". It woke me up and my first recollection was of this orange fireball in my garden - it slowly faded away and I went and changed my shorts :-). This one lasted for about an hour. It knocked out my main computer (also connected through all the necessary protection) as well as burst a few underground water pipes (I dunno how), broke some windowpanes and took my telephone connections out completely. (The Lord alone knows why it did not take out my electricity as well) This computer is the one that I do all my business on so I've had a pretty stressful week trying to get this fixed. Fortunately all my data is still intact and I do have backups but my business revolves around this machine and finances preclude me from just going out and building a new machine so I had to "fix" this one. I'm sure that many of you do know that it's easier to just get a new machine but my whole business is configured around his one. (Pentium 4 - 2 Gig) Anyway - buy a new motherboard, processor and memory and try to get it sorted out using all my existing HD drives, DVD writer, CD Writer, video capture card and additional I/O cards. HAH ! Get it working only to find that my monitor does not speak to the new motherboard, - sort that out but the new motherboard also does not have a parallel port ( it has the connection but does not have the actual "plug in socket" (everything is USB these days but my signmaking plotter only works on parallel - no USB). Back to the supplier (60 miles round trip) for the parts. Get some totally useless advice from their salesman that could have caused my hard drive to crash had I followed it (with my "Data Recovery" background I do know a bit about hard drives!). That's where I was an hour ago - 8.00 pm Friday night after having wasted a whole week and got next to nothing done. Decision to be made - what next ? Answer - Pour a "Brandy & Coke" - write a totally irrelevant letter to the guys on the SEL and leave the damn computer for tomorrow - so this is that letter :-) ( and I feel better for it - thanks Guys - or maybe it's the other "B&C's" I've poured since starting this post !). Keep well, Jerry Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Jan 11 11:47:51 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:47:51 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <002001c8548a$da79e220$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Jerry thats been a hell of a week those electrical storms sound horrific i am pleased though that you and your family are okay. With electrical storms you never know what they are going to do and are probaly quite sudden. We dont get that extreme electrical storms here but even with lightning about we usually unplug computers and electricals its the only safe method of protecting them Often here with lightning diverters on fences lightning will bypass them and blow up energisers in pump houses etc I always wondered do they have earthing rods for lightning protection for homes all it is is a metal pipe in the ground would have to be higher than the roof of the house so the lightning can strike than they have them on top of skyscrapers etc That might be worth considering . Very frustrating with the computer esp how you need it for work at least you had a backup.. .Hopefully you will get it sorted next week all the best Brent nz ---- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 8:17 AM Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" > Hi Guys, > This is a really off topic post but what the heck. > > I've had a really s___t week and just feel like spreading the load > amongst my mates. > > I live in an area of South Africa prone to very heavy electrical > thunderstorms and do have all the necessary "lightning protectors" etc. > installed on my house, computers and such but in the last 2 weeks we have > had 2 thunderstorms here, the like of which I've not experienced since > moving here in 1969. (Can I blame this on America - climate change and the > like ??) :-) > > The first was at 12:15 one morning about 2 weeks ago. It knocked > out my telephone lines, my cordless telephone as well as the "lightning > protector" it was connected through, woke me up, scared the hell out of my > pets (dogs & cats) and me as well. Remember that this is an area prone to > heavy storms and I'm used to them but this one was just too close for comfort. > > The next one was at 5.20 last Saturday morning when we scored a > "direct hit". It woke me up and my first recollection was of this orange > fireball in my garden - it slowly faded away and I went and changed my > shorts :-). This one lasted for about an hour. > > It knocked out my main computer (also connected through all the > necessary protection) as well as burst a few underground water pipes (I > dunno how), broke some windowpanes and took my telephone connections out > completely. (The Lord alone knows why it did not take out my electricity as > well) > > This computer is the one that I do all my business on so I've had > a pretty stressful week trying to get this fixed. Fortunately all my data > is still intact and I do have backups but my business revolves around this > machine and finances preclude me from just going out and building a new > machine so I had to "fix" this one. I'm sure that many of you do know that > it's easier to just get a new machine but my whole business is configured > around his one. (Pentium 4 - 2 Gig) > > Anyway - buy a new motherboard, processor and memory and try to > get it sorted out using all my existing HD drives, DVD writer, CD Writer, > video capture card and additional I/O cards. > > HAH ! Get it working only to find that my monitor does not speak > to the new motherboard, - sort that out but the new motherboard also does > not have a parallel port ( it has the connection but does not have the > actual "plug in socket" (everything is USB these days but my signmaking > plotter only works on parallel - no USB). Back to the supplier (60 miles > round trip) for the parts. > Get some totally useless advice from their salesman that could have caused > my hard drive to crash had I followed it (with my "Data Recovery" > background I do know a bit about hard drives!). > > That's where I was an hour ago - 8.00 pm Friday night after having > wasted a whole week and got next to nothing done. > > Decision to be made - what next ? > > Answer - Pour a "Brandy & Coke" - write a totally irrelevant > letter to the guys on the SEL and leave the damn computer for tomorrow - so > this is that letter :-) ( and I feel better for it - thanks Guys - or maybe > it's the other "B&C's" I've poured since starting this post !). > > Keep well, > Jerry > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 11 11:48:51 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:48:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Attn. Peter Forbes Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111211719.00b97c60@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Peter, I saw your post about the NEC Floppy drive and looked through all my manuals and literature but had nothing left on the NEC. Do you collect this kind of stuff? I have a "Brand New" "never been used" Roctec external 5 1/4 floppy drive in it's original packing if you are interested. You can have it for the cost of postage if you can use it. It is packed in a polystyrene moulded shell and this is in turn packed into a cardboard "sleeve" - the final size (of the box) is 365mm x 305mm x 125mm which is quite big so postage could be a few bucks. Basically this is a Mitsumi Floppy Drive (1.2 Mb) built into an external case with all the necessary connectors, cables and instruction leaflet. It has never been used and I only opened it a few hours ago to determine the make of the actual drive (Mitsumi). It is about 14 years old and I've been holding on to it in case I wanted anything off my old "stiffies" but I've never used it and feel that if I've not wanted to get anything off an old stiffy backup in that time then I'm probably never going to! If you need pics then I can take some. Note to list members: I've offered this to Peter Forbes first but if he does not need it then the offer is open to all members. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 11 11:56:58 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:56:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111215137.00b94c80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, The SEL Charity Auction is almost over. This year it seemed to be a bit quiet ! I was just wondering why - did you guys also get that feeling? Has it lost it's appeal ? Was it not publicized enough ? Was everyone too busy celebrating to care ? Just wondering. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 11 12:19:08 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:19:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, > I've had a really s___t week and just feel like spreading the load > amongst my mates. Man, as my daughter would say, "It sure sucks to be you!" 8-)) > I live in an area of South Africa prone to very heavy electrical > thunderstorms and do have all the necessary "lightning protectors" etc. > installed on my house, computers and such but in the last 2 weeks we have > had 2 thunderstorms here, the like of which I've not experienced since > moving here in 1969. (Can I blame this on America - climate change and the > like ??) :-) DEFINITLY, George Bush's fault all the way!! > The next one was at 5.20 last Saturday morning when we scored a > "direct hit". It woke me up and my first recollection was of this orange > fireball in my garden - it slowly faded away and I went and changed my > shorts :-). This one lasted for about an hour. Ya know, I think I'd look into some SERIOUS lightning rods for the roof with massive cables going down to ground rods. > Decision to be made - what next ? One word of advice; if Rob & Kelley come knocking on the door suggesting that you buy a Mac, just smile and nod, tell them a story in your very best Afrikaans while slowly backing away and closing the door. Trust me on this one, you won't regret it. 8-))) > Answer - Pour a "Brandy & Coke" - write a totally irrelevant > letter to the guys on the SEL and leave the damn computer for tomorrow - so > this is that letter :-) ( and I feel better for it - thanks Guys - or maybe > it's the other "B&C's" I've poured since starting this post !). Sounds like a plan... See ya, Arnie From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 11 12:11:33 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:11:33 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111220240.00b91ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Just a quick thanks to list members for all the help on the 12 H.P. Witte CD Diesel. Thanks to you guys I've been able to source all the parts I need and have ordered them. Watch this space for progress reports (in about a month or so). A few names (but there were others as well). Ron Haskell, Craig Matthews, Tom Martin - thanks for the help. Many thanks to you all. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 11 12:36:50 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:36:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <005701c85491$b2191b00$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Fulgarite is worth somehting From George_Best at adp.com Fri Jan 11 12:43:36 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:43:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111215137.00b94c80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111215137.00b94c80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059059ADAB6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Jerry, I think the charity auction is just reflecting the level of activity SEL currently has. There are so many other forums out there, that people just don't post to this list as much as in prior years. I've run the price up on your 3 brass tags as far as I'm planning on going. I'll just order a tag from you later when I've got a good .jpg of the tag I need. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:57 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Hi Guys, The SEL Charity Auction is almost over. This year it seemed to be a bit quiet ! I was just wondering why - did you guys also get that feeling? Has it lost it's appeal ? Was it not publicized enough ? Was everyone too busy celebrating to care ? Just wondering. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 01/01/2008 12:09 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Jan 11 12:47:58 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:47:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080111154711.030681a0@pop3.wcoil.com> I'll drink a Black Velvet and Coke for you tonight. Cheers, Mark At 02:17 PM 1/11/08, you wrote: >Hi Guys, > This is a really off topic post but what the heck. > > I've had a really s___t week and just feel like spreading the load >amongst my mates. > > I live in an area of South Africa prone to very heavy electrical >thunderstorms and do have all the necessary "lightning protectors" etc. >installed on my house, computers and such but in the last 2 weeks we have >had 2 thunderstorms here, the like of which I've not experienced since >moving here in 1969. (Can I blame this on America - climate change and the >like ??) :-) > > The first was at 12:15 one morning about 2 weeks ago. It knocked >out my telephone lines, my cordless telephone as well as the "lightning >protector" it was connected through, woke me up, scared the hell out of my >pets (dogs & cats) and me as well. Remember that this is an area prone to >heavy storms and I'm used to them but this one was just too close for comfort. > > The next one was at 5.20 last Saturday morning when we scored a >"direct hit". It woke me up and my first recollection was of this orange >fireball in my garden - it slowly faded away and I went and changed my >shorts :-). This one lasted for about an hour. > > It knocked out my main computer (also connected through all the >necessary protection) as well as burst a few underground water pipes (I >dunno how), broke some windowpanes and took my telephone connections out >completely. (The Lord alone knows why it did not take out my electricity as >well) > > This computer is the one that I do all my business on so I've had >a pretty stressful week trying to get this fixed. Fortunately all my data >is still intact and I do have backups but my business revolves around this >machine and finances preclude me from just going out and building a new >machine so I had to "fix" this one. I'm sure that many of you do know that >it's easier to just get a new machine but my whole business is configured >around his one. (Pentium 4 - 2 Gig) > > Anyway - buy a new motherboard, processor and memory and try to >get it sorted out using all my existing HD drives, DVD writer, CD Writer, >video capture card and additional I/O cards. > > HAH ! Get it working only to find that my monitor does not speak >to the new motherboard, - sort that out but the new motherboard also does >not have a parallel port ( it has the connection but does not have the >actual "plug in socket" (everything is USB these days but my signmaking >plotter only works on parallel - no USB). Back to the supplier (60 miles >round trip) for the parts. >Get some totally useless advice from their salesman that could have caused >my hard drive to crash had I followed it (with my "Data Recovery" >background I do know a bit about hard drives!). > > That's where I was an hour ago - 8.00 pm Friday night after having >wasted a whole week and got next to nothing done. > > Decision to be made - what next ? > > Answer - Pour a "Brandy & Coke" - write a totally irrelevant >letter to the guys on the SEL and leave the damn computer for tomorrow - so >this is that letter :-) ( and I feel better for it - thanks Guys - or maybe >it's the other "B&C's" I've poured since starting this post !). > >Keep well, >Jerry > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: >01/01/2008 12:09 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at wildblue.net Fri Jan 11 14:15:37 2008 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:15:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Attn. Peter Forbes In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111211719.00b97c60@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111211719.00b97c60@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4787EA89.9020007@wildblue.net> Jerry If Peter doesn't take it, I will. Clint Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Peter, > I saw your post about the NEC Floppy drive and looked through all > my manuals and literature but had nothing left on the NEC. > > Do you collect this kind of stuff? I have a "Brand New" "never > been used" Roctec external 5 1/4 floppy drive in it's original packing if > you are interested. You can have it for the cost of postage if you can use > it. It is packed in a polystyrene moulded shell and this is in turn packed > into a cardboard "sleeve" - the final size (of the box) is 365mm x 305mm x > 125mm which is quite big so postage could be a few bucks. > > Basically this is a Mitsumi Floppy Drive (1.2 Mb) built into an > external case with all the necessary connectors, cables and instruction > leaflet. It has never been used and I only opened it a few hours ago to > determine the make of the actual drive (Mitsumi). > > It is about 14 years old and I've been holding on to it in case I > wanted anything off my old "stiffies" but I've never used it and feel that > if I've not wanted to get anything off an old stiffy backup in that time > then I'm probably never going to! > > If you need pics then I can take some. > > Note to list members: I've offered this to Peter Forbes first but > if he does not need it then the offer is open to all members. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jan 11 16:38:04 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:38:04 EST Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/2008 2:26:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: in the last 2 weeks we have had 2 thunderstorms here, the like of which I've not experienced since moving here in 1969 Jerry, That is a bummer loosing all your stuff to the lightening. It is an awesome power! There was a question on this morning news about the wattage a lightening strike generates. The answer was 1 billion watts. Just down the road, lightening hit a tree in the woods, followed its root about 20 feet to the road ditch, blew a hole 2 feet in the ground to the telephone cable, followed the ditch about 300 feet up the road to the above ground telephone cable junction box, blew the cover off it out into the road and fried every wire in the box. At least that is how I surmised the sequence of events took place. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From jbcast at charter.net Fri Jan 11 18:23:41 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:23:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?Spam=3E_was_a_=22rant=22=2C_now_lightening?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080111212341.GPJOC.896785.root@fepweb01> Jerry, if it damaged underground pipes it's a wonder you had anything left to your electronics. It's strange the way lightening picks and chooses. I had a GMC Envoy in the shop a while back, struck by lightening. It went in through an antenna on the side glass, etched a track up to the roof and burnt a spot outside of the close hanger hook. The computer system was dead among other things. All of the modules communicate with each other, if one shorts it kills the system. I separated the information buss line and found the instrument cluster shorted. Once I got that working the diagnostics helped find two of the six coils shorted, one of the ABS wheel sensors, the two rear power window switches, one of the servo motors for the AC, and a starter relay. None of these things seemed to be in a path, makes you wonder what goes on in an event like this. I've had two telephones in the same locationin my home fried by lightening, the others were not touched. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jan 11 21:06:38 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:06:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I think you will have a better week next week. You couldn't have had a worse one and survived! Keep a stiff upper lip - there will be a brighter day tomorrow! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 01:17 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" > > > Hi Guys, > This is a really off topic post but what > the heck. > > I've had a really s___t week and just > feel like spreading the load > amongst my mates. ......................snip...................... From billmil357 at aol.com Fri Jan 11 20:31:36 2008 From: billmil357 at aol.com (billmil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:31:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral Message-ID: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> Hello Everyone, Sometimes I find it amazing what a few hundred pounds of old iron can do to bring a group of people together from all walks of life and all parts of the world. I guess it's the rust that gets in your blood. This evening we had the visitation at the funeral home for daddy. When we started to check the cards on the flowers and plants that had been sent I was really touched to find the beautiful plants from SEL. Thanks so much for the plants, thoughts and prayers. The people on this list were a very special part of Dad's life. Steve, I passed the story you told about Dad sending the picture directions on to his pastor and he is going to include it in the memorial service tomorrow. Thanks again, Randy Miller ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 01:17:25 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:17:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111201408.00b93d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025160801120117j4e25315fgc3f04dd4918fe3db@mail.gmail.com> On 11/01/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys, > This is a really off topic post but what the heck. > > I've had a really s___t week and just feel like spreading the load > amongst my mates. > Sh*t happens! Couple of things you can do, get an ex-corporate PC, set it up with a wireless router and use it as a backup, every day. I can ship you some Compag EN SFF desktops at under ?50 plus shipping each, not high speed (733mhz to 1ghz) but very reliable. They are on ebay as well, look for "Compaq EN SFF", they are 1998 - 2001 manufacture. Spread your work stuff amongst more than one machine (I know, they are not cheap in SA) and think about a mains isolation transformer with an RCD/MCB on both sides and a BIG earth connection to the transformer frame and inter-winding screen, and if you have the secondary centre-tapped, ground the centre tap with something like a copper bar. A 10kVA tranny and MCB/RCD's will stop 'almost' anything, but you'll lose the MCB/RCD.s in a bad strike. Surge suppressors are pretty ineffective in my experience, unless you have the 4" cube sized ones, and they blow up spectacularly when lightning strikes anyway :-)) Provide a spark-gap to ground on your incoming supply if the utility doesn't have one, and fit them to BOTH supply conductors. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 01:23:11 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:23:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Attn. Peter Forbes In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111211719.00b97c60@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080111211719.00b97c60@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025160801120123o725b21a9m374ca8399ba2f82f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/01/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Peter, > I saw your post about the NEC Floppy drive and looked through all > my manuals and literature but had nothing left on the NEC. > > Do you collect this kind of stuff? I have a "Brand New" "never > been used" Roctec external 5 1/4 floppy drive in it's original packing if > you are interested. You can have it for the cost of postage if you can use > it. It is packed in a polystyrene moulded shell and this is in turn packed > into a cardboard "sleeve" - the final size (of the box) is 365mm x 305mm x > 125mm which is quite big so postage could be a few bucks. > > Basically this is a Mitsumi Floppy Drive (1.2 Mb) built into an > external case with all the necessary connectors, cables and instruction > leaflet. It has never been used and I only opened it a few hours ago to > determine the make of the actual drive (Mitsumi). > > It is about 14 years old and I've been holding on to it in case I > wanted anything off my old "stiffies" but I've never used it and feel that > if I've not wanted to get anything off an old stiffy backup in that time > then I'm probably never going to! > > If you need pics then I can take some. > > Note to list members: I've offered this to Peter Forbes first but > if he does not need it then the offer is open to all members. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans Hi Jerry: Many thanks for the offer, it would be great if we were closer, but the freight costs would kill it for me, and we only need the drive, so it would be a shame to break it up. If Clint wants it, let him have it with my blessing. As far as the NEC drive goes, we have turned up almost nothing conclusive, and the supplier has agreed to let us have another drive anyway to replace it. What did turn up, was a large set of data from what looks like IBM, called the "Pocket Peripherals Guide" which lists all the different makes of hard drives, floppy disks, tape drives, CD players etc etc with appropriate jumper and connection information. NEC aren't on there, at least my drive wasn't, but it's useful stuff and I'll archive it for the future. HDD's go up to 1gb and MCA architecture is mentioned, so it's probably 1990's stuff. Thanks again for the kind offer, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From kimmell at verizon.net Sat Jan 12 07:44:22 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:44:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] was a "rant", now lightening In-Reply-To: <20080111212341.GPJOC.896785.root@fepweb01> References: <20080111212341.GPJOC.896785.root@fepweb01> Message-ID: <0JUJ00FJFFMH6DN2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> It's amazing what lightning can do. I was driving down I-55 in the semi during a bad lightning storm a few days ago, when the car in front of me got struck by a lightning bolt! Threw sparks all over the place and up onto the hood of my truck. The lightning had burned a hole in the roof and caught the headliner on fire which we put out with my fire extinguisher. Of course the car was toasted and wouldn't start so I let them call for help on my cell phone before taking off. Wierd stuff... -Tony From fsouthwell at googlemail.com Sat Jan 12 08:01:51 2008 From: fsouthwell at googlemail.com (Fred Southwell) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:01:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] was a "rant", now lightening In-Reply-To: <0JUJ00FJFFMH6DN2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <20080111212341.GPJOC.896785.root@fepweb01> <0JUJ00FJFFMH6DN2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3bd33b2e0801120801w278b3725y5eb55a7ecc70bc1f@mail.gmail.com> Many years ago I was called to a house that had a lightning strike. The TV wouldn't work even though it had been unplugged. As it turned out the lightning hadn't caused the TV problem but what caught my eye was a brown mark across the white Chinese carpet. What had happened was that the TV aerial cable had been unplugged and left laying on the floor. Fine you might think but across the other side of the room was a metal standard lamp that was still plugged in. Lightning hit the aerial and found its way across and through the carpet to the standard lamp. Result, one very expensive carpet cut across its diagonal! Fred On 12/01/2008, Tony & Jackie wrote: > > It's amazing what lightning can do. I was driving down I-55 in the > semi during a bad lightning storm a few days ago, when the car in > front of me got struck by a lightning bolt! Threw sparks all over > the place and up onto the hood of my truck. The lightning had burned > a hole in the roof and caught the headliner on fire which we put out > with my fire extinguisher. Of course the car was toasted and > wouldn't start so I let them call for help on my cell phone before > taking off. Wierd stuff... > > -Tony > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Fred. Nr Brighton U.K. See all my pictures at http://community.webshots.com/user/g6zru From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 12 14:35:13 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:35:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Another_Hunk_of_Iron?= Message-ID: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the photos after you enlarge them: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Sat Jan 12 14:46:32 2008 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:46:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002201c8556c$fad6f700$020ba8c0@Waynexp> Greetings Tommy, Very nice Otto. Congratulation! They must have decided to sell. Wayne Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:35 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the photos after you enlarge them: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Sat Jan 12 15:02:32 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:02:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron Message-ID: <380-22008161223232250@coastalnet.com> Google patent number 525828 for the ignitor. Great acquisition, Tommy! Ken > [Original Message] > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:35 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > > I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before > as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has > a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the > manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos > can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the > photos after you enlarge them: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 12 15:08:38 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:08:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <47894876.9090101@scrtc.com> I need to add the that I owe a big thank you to Eric Butler and his mother, who owned the enigne, for allowing me to purchase it as well as to Bob Naske who helped me make contact with the family and very graciously came and spent a Saturday morning helping load the engine. Last, I want to thank Steve Royster of NC. Steve told me of the engine and put me in touch with Bob. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before >as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has >a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the >manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos >can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the >photos after you enlarge them: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 12 15:15:05 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:15:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <380-22008161223232250@coastalnet.com> References: <380-22008161223232250@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <478949F9.5030903@scrtc.com> Thanks Ken! They really had something when they invented that ignitor. Just like the 4 cycle design, it set the standard for things to come. My engine doesn't have a tag on it but I notice in the patent info it says the patent was assigned to Schleicher Schumm. I wonder if my engine would have had a tag that just says "Otto Engine" as the later ones did or if it would have had a tag with Schleicher Schumm on it? Maybe some of our "Listers" can provide some info. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Ken Christison wrote: >Google patent number 525828 for the ignitor. > >Great acquisition, Tommy! > >Ken > > > > >>[Original Message] >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy >>Turner >>Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:35 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron >> >>I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before >>as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has >>a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the >>manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos >>can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the >>photos after you enlarge them: >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 12 15:15:43 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:15:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Beautiful Tommy, well done great addition to your collection Kerry > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Jan 12 18:33:12 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:33:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> Tommy that looks like it is all original am i right. R Fink At 05:35 PM 1/12/2008 -0500, you wrote: >I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before >as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has >a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the >manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos >can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the >photos after you enlarge them: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: >1/10/2008 1:32 PM From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 15:53:06 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:53:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> <20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: Tommy, Better get Curt to check it out before you decide.......I noticed that all the square nuts are put on backwards. You would think Otto would know better........ Or maybe it was built on a Monday morning....... Glad you got it Tommy! Congratulations, can I get a visitation agreement? Steve the good cloistered oyster brother. ps. my brother the bad cloistered oyster actually turned me on to this beauty years ago ! > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:33:12 -0800> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: nancydick at pennswoods.net> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron> > Tommy that looks like it is all original am i right.> R Fink> > > At 05:35 PM 1/12/2008 -0500, you wrote:> >I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before> >as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has> >a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the> >manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos> >can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the> >photos after you enlarge them:> >> >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0> >> >Tommy Turner> >Magnolia, KY> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________> >SEL mailing list> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> >> >--> >No virus found in this incoming message.> >Checked by AVG Free Edition.> >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: > >1/10/2008 1:32 PM> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 12 17:05:44 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:05:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> <20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <478963E8.9050908@scrtc.com> Yup, I think everything is factory set up. The only thing I put on it was the Lonergan oiler as someone had put a Michigan lubricator on it. The Lonergan I put on it is the correct style I think. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Richard Fink Sr wrote: >Tommy that looks like it is all original am i right. >R Fink > > >At 05:35 PM 1/12/2008 -0500, you wrote: > > >>I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before >>as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has >>a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the >>manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos >>can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the >>photos after you enlarge them: >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: >>1/10/2008 1:32 PM >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Jan 12 17:51:50 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:51:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000401c85586$dd870090$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Hi Tommy Thanks for posting the pictures of your new toy; I seem to remember seeing this engine or one like it at Coolspring some years ago. I bet you are pleased to have it. What can you tell us about the ductwork and blower? Or what ever it is. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho UAS > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:35 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > > I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before > as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has > a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the > manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos > can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the > photos after you enlarge them: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ NOD32 2787 (20080112) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 12 18:08:04 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:08:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <000401c85586$dd870090$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> References: <000401c85586$dd870090$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Message-ID: <47897284.8040006@scrtc.com> Dave, The blower looks a lot like a forge blower and may be the same as one. The casting its mounted on is specifically for the engine trucks though. Air goes up through the ductwork and circulates around the bottom of the tank. There is a center hole in tank, about 6 inches in diameter, that the air flows up though. There is some fins on it that causes the air to have to circulate around the top of the tank. I assume this it done to try to maximize the air flow and cooling effect. It then vents out through the top of the tank where it has probably 100 holes, about 1/8 to 3/16 diameter. Its quite a set up. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Otto wrote: >Hi Tommy > >Thanks for posting the pictures of your new toy; I seem to remember seeing >this engine or one like it at Coolspring some years ago. > >I bet you are pleased to have it. > >What can you tell us about the ductwork and blower? Or what ever it is. > >Dave > >Dave Otto >Boise, Idaho >UAS > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >>bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner >>Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:35 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron >> >>I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before >>as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has >>a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the >>manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos >>can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the >>photos after you enlarge them: >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>__________ NOD32 2787 (20080112) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Jan 12 18:32:10 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:32:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <47897284.8040006@scrtc.com> References: <000401c85586$dd870090$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> <47897284.8040006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: On Jan 12, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Dave, > The blower looks a lot like a forge blower and may be the same as > one. The casting its mounted on is specifically for the engine trucks > though. Air goes up through the ductwork and circulates around the > bottom of the tank. There is a center hole in tank, about 6 inches in > diameter, that the air flows up though. There is some fins on it that > causes the air to have to circulate around the top of the tank. I > assume this it done to try to maximize the air flow and cooling > effect. > It then vents out through the top of the tank where it has probably > 100 > holes, about 1/8 to 3/16 diameter. Its quite a set up. It's a beautiful engine Tommy. The fact that the thin metal is still intact just knocks my socks off. From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jan 12 19:42:35 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:42:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral In-Reply-To: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9CA18061-243E-4C4D-921C-8A2CA9C9D6CA@alltel.net> \ On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:31 PM, billmil357 at aol.com wrote: > Hello Everyone, > Sometimes I find it amazing what a few hundred pounds of old iron > can do to bring a group of people together from all walks of life > and all parts of the world. I guess it's the rust that gets in your > blood. > This evening we had the visitation at the funeral home for daddy. > When we started to check the cards on the flowers and plants that > had been sent I was really touched to find the beautiful plants > from SEL. Thanks so much for the plants, thoughts and prayers. The > people on this list were a very special part of Dad's life. > Steve, I passed the story you told about Dad sending the picture > directions on to his pastor and he is going to include it in the > memorial service tomorro > Thanks again, > Randy Miller Hi Randy, The List has always honored it's own-and will continue to do so. We know that Bill is at peace with his Maker now and is simply moving on. I wish that Bill was still here with us so that I could tell him that tomorrow I will take off in the morning to pick up that 1/4 scale Reid that he always admired. It's a John Burns built engine. Built in 1987 and a REAL GOOD looker and runner Thanks for the report Randy! Dave From jneth3 at mac.com Sat Jan 12 19:39:53 2008 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:39:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] was a "rant", now lightening In-Reply-To: <0JUJ00FJFFMH6DN2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <20080111212341.GPJOC.896785.root@fepweb01> <0JUJ00FJFFMH6DN2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <6BC8FB55-0117-1000-FD79-0C86D9F7E81A-Webmail-10011@mac.com> The safety rules for lightning may need to be changed. When camping in areas that are prone to lightning strikes you are told to get into your car when there is a storm. Heavy steel cars should protect the occupant because the charge should stay on the outer surface of the metal. With composite or plastic car bodies a bolt can go right thru. I have several trees on my property that have been struck over the years and seeing a portion of the tree blown away is impressive. Thank Ben Franklin and get lighting rods if you don;t have them. newbe John John W. Neth III 228 Old Milligan Highway Johnson City, TN 37601 423-434-0978 or 634 Elm St. Groveport, OH 43125-1216 614-836-3465 On Saturday, January 12, 2008, at 10:45AM, "Tony & Jackie" wrote: >It's amazing what lightning can do. I was driving down I-55 in the >semi during a bad lightning storm a few days ago, when the car in >front of me got struck by a lightning bolt! Threw sparks all over >the place and up onto the hood of my truck. The lightning had burned >a hole in the roof and caught the headliner on fire which we put out >with my fire extinguisher. Of course the car was toasted and >wouldn't start so I let them call for help on my cell phone before >taking off. Wierd stuff... > >-Tony > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Jan 13 02:45:15 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:45:15 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Motor Cycle Lifts Message-ID: <003001c855d1$65bead60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> I know ,Peter but there is a certain satisfaction in making things if you have the know how and the equipment. Plus in my small way I am supporting Australian Industry [ BHP or Blue scope] Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Jan 13 05:37:54 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:37:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com><20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <002201c855e9$80782ec0$726f4b47@mikecomp> And your brother wishes he had the coin at the time to get it too! It's a true beauty. Mike (the true good cloistered oyster) Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > > Tommy, Better get Curt to check it out before you decide.......I > noticed that all the square nuts are put on backwards. You would think > Otto would know better........ Or maybe it was built on a Monday > morning....... Glad you got it Tommy! Congratulations, can I get a > visitation agreement? Steve the good cloistered oyster brother. > ps. my brother the bad cloistered oyster actually turned me on to this > beauty years ago ! > > >> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:33:12 -0800> To: >> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: nancydick at pennswoods.net> Subject: >> Re: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron> > Tommy that looks like it is all >> original am i right.> R Fink> > > At 05:35 PM 1/12/2008 -0500, you >> wrote:> >I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it >> before> >as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. >> It has> >a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure >> of the> >manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. >> Photos> >can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under >> the> >photos after you enlarge them:> >> >> >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0> >> >> >Tommy Turner> >Magnolia, KY> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________> >SEL mailing list> >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> >> >--> >No >> virus found in this incoming message.> >Chec! > ked by AVG Free Edition.> >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: > 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: > >1/10/2008 1:32 PM> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at btes.tv Sun Jan 13 06:41:08 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:41:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] was a "rant", now lightening In-Reply-To: <6BC8FB55-0117-1000-FD79-0C86D9F7E81A-Webmail-10011@mac.com> References: <20080111212341.GPJOC.896785.root@fepweb01> <0JUJ00FJFFMH6DN2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> <6BC8FB55-0117-1000-FD79-0C86D9F7E81A-Webmail-10011@mac.com> Message-ID: <8062a21239b4cef0efad6fa37b541956@btes.tv> On Jan 12, 2008, at 10:39 PM, John Neth wrote: > Thank Ben Franklin and get lighting rods if you don;t have them. When I built my house here 21 years ago I wanted lightning rods. I'd counted three trees on the lot that had been hit. I was told that putting lightning rods on my house would RAISE my insurance costs drastically. (Considered an indicator of high risk?) I've had a couple of trees in the yard hit since I've been here. Had a TV and a computer fried. Oh yeah, and a heat pump compressor. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ddotto at cableone.net Sun Jan 13 08:24:00 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:24:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <47897284.8040006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001801c85600$b4f17190$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Interesting, Thanks, Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 7:08 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > > Dave, > The blower looks a lot like a forge blower and may be the same as > one. The casting its mounted on is specifically for the engine trucks > though. Air goes up through the ductwork and circulates around the > bottom of the tank. There is a center hole in tank, about 6 inches in > diameter, that the air flows up though. There is some fins on it that > causes the air to have to circulate around the top of the tank. I > assume this it done to try to maximize the air flow and cooling effect. > It then vents out through the top of the tank where it has probably 100 > holes, about 1/8 to 3/16 diameter. Its quite a set up. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Dave Otto wrote: > > >Hi Tommy > > > >Thanks for posting the pictures of your new toy; I seem to remember > seeing > >this engine or one like it at Coolspring some years ago. > > > >I bet you are pleased to have it. > > > >What can you tell us about the ductwork and blower? Or what ever it is. > > > >Dave > > > >Dave Otto > >Boise, Idaho > >UAS > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > >>bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner > >>Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:35 PM > >>To: The SEL email discussion list > >>Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > >> > >>I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before > >>as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has > >>a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the > >>manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos > >>can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the > >>photos after you enlarge them: > >> > >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > >> > >>Tommy Turner > >>Magnolia, KY > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >>__________ NOD32 2787 (20080112) Information __________ > >> > >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ NOD32 2787 (20080112) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jan 13 08:35:19 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:35:19 EST Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron Message-ID: In a message dated 1/12/2008 5:54:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, wayne at lorenssanitation.com writes: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 Tommy, Congratulations on a great engine! Photo 20 showing the governor mechanism has a handle sticking up just left of the center of the photo. Does this change the timing/compression release/or what? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jan 13 09:35:43 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:35:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos Message-ID: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> I'm posting this off-topic item, here, only for the benefit of people who might have an interest in the topic. If you don't enjoy reading long articles, please feel welcome to use your Delete key right now. I wrote an essay that has been languishing for a number of months in want of an audience; then, an e-conversation made me realize the road to readership had been staring me right in the face, all along. So, I took the easy way out, took my essay about hydrogen, added some slap-dash formatting changes, saved it as an HTML document and threw it up on our Web site. http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm If just one person learns just one new thing about the topic, the effort will be worthwhile. If you have any suggestions or comments one way or another, please let me know. I then posted links on some bulletin boards and I thought you would enjoy reading the subsequent comments. As usual, people responded with arguments of all persuasions. If you'd like to dig deeper into the topic, here are the links to the BBs: http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27028 http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?t=78104 Someone else started the discussion at the following URL and I chimed in several posts later; "Bentwrench's posts are especially noteworthy. They are from a perspective as viewed by an engineer: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/showthread.php?t=148982 Thank you for your time. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Jan 13 09:56:03 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:56:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Orrin Iseminger wrote: > I'm posting this off-topic item, here, only for the benefit of > people who > might have an interest in the topic. It's not really off-topic, Orrin. Engines and fuel are what we're all about. I'll admit that I speed-read your article and was impressed. I'll take the time later to read it in detail. Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 13 10:12:10 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:12:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478A547A.3080507@scrtc.com> Tom, The vertical handle is a compression release. Slide it to the front and it engages a cam against the exhaust rocker opening it until the piston is about 2/3 the way up on the compression stroke. The horizontal handle sticking out at the governor is for speed adjustment. You slide the round disc with the bolt in the center in toward the governor to slow the speed and out to increase it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > >In a message dated 1/12/2008 5:54:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, >wayne at lorenssanitation.com writes: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > >Tommy, > >Congratulations on a great engine! > >Photo 20 showing the governor mechanism has a handle sticking up just left of >the center of the photo. Does this change the timing/compression release/or >what? > >Thanks, > > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >Germoamer at aol.com > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 13 10:38:11 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:38:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <478A5A93.5080009@scrtc.com> Very interesting Orrin and presents some issues that aren't discussed in the media when talking about hydrogen as a fuel technology. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Orrin Iseminger wrote: >I'm posting this off-topic item, here, only for the benefit of people who >might have an interest in the topic. If you don't enjoy reading long >articles, please feel welcome to use your Delete key right now. > >I wrote an essay that has been languishing for a number of months in want of >an audience; then, an e-conversation made me realize the road to readership >had been staring me right in the face, all along. > >So, I took the easy way out, took my essay about hydrogen, added some >slap-dash formatting changes, saved it as an HTML document and threw it up >on our Web site. > >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm > > >If just one person learns just one new thing about the topic, the effort >will be worthwhile. If you have any suggestions or comments one way or >another, please let me know. > >I then posted links on some bulletin boards and I thought you would enjoy >reading the subsequent comments. As usual, people responded with arguments >of all persuasions. If you'd like to dig deeper into the topic, here are >the links to the BBs: > >http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=27028 > >http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?t=78104 > >Someone else started the discussion at the following URL and I chimed in >several posts later; "Bentwrench's posts are especially noteworthy. They >are from a perspective as viewed by an engineer: > >http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/showthread.php?t=148982 > >Thank you for your time. > >Best regards, > >Orrin > >Orrin Iseminger >Colton, Washington, USA >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm >So many projects. So little time. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 13 11:07:23 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:07:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1200251243.478a616b9eda6@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Tommy, Given the level of interest in this new beauty, I think a "command performance" is called for. Are ya gonna bring it to Coolspring or Portland? 8-))) See ya, Arnie Quoting Germoamer at aol.com: > Congratulations on a great engine! > Photo 20 showing the governor mechanism has a handle sticking up just left of > the center of the photo. Does this change the timing/compression release/or > what? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 13 11:42:35 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:42:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <1200251243.478a616b9eda6@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1200251243.478a616b9eda6@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <478A69AB.1040502@scrtc.com> Arnie, Not sure as it depends on how much time I get to play between now and then. I'd like to bring it to Portland as I'll probably bring a Domestic to Coolspring. I've got a 12 HP Domestic I'd like to bring if I can get it ready in time. Just not enough hours of available play time in the day. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hey Tommy, > >Given the level of interest in this new beauty, I think a "command performance" >is called for. Are ya gonna bring it to Coolspring or Portland? 8-))) > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Germoamer at aol.com: > > > >>Congratulations on a great engine! >>Photo 20 showing the governor mechanism has a handle sticking up just left of >>the center of the photo. Does this change the timing/compression release/or >>what? >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 13 11:57:41 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:57:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Spam> Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <002201c855e9$80782ec0$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com><20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> <002201c855e9$80782ec0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <478A6D35.90801@scrtc.com> Mike, Now both of you guys are pretty good fella's. BUT, Steve is the one who helped me connect on the old iron (after you helped him connect to it!). Both of you need to stop by when up my way. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >And your brother wishes he had the coin at the time to get it too! It's a >true beauty. > >Mike (the true good cloistered oyster) Royster > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Royster" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:53 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > > > > >>Tommy, Better get Curt to check it out before you decide.......I >>noticed that all the square nuts are put on backwards. You would think >>Otto would know better........ Or maybe it was built on a Monday >>morning....... Glad you got it Tommy! Congratulations, can I get a >>visitation agreement? Steve the good cloistered oyster brother. >>ps. my brother the bad cloistered oyster actually turned me on to this >>beauty years ago ! >> >> >> >> >> > > From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jan 13 12:16:54 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:16:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801132017.m0DKH52V017826@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you, Rob, for your kind and generous words. I hope the readers of this forum don't feel used when I explain that this whole on-line exercise came about from an argument with a newspaper journalist. I posted my article on our Web page to demonstrate that the Internet provides a whole lot more effective way to be heard than the use of the editorial page of a local newspaper. It was a case of winning the debate, but losing the war. :-) It brought about the end of a beautiful friendship. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. :-) Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:56 AM To: Stationary-Engine ATIS Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos On Jan 13, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Orrin Iseminger wrote: > I'm posting this off-topic item, here, only for the benefit of > people who > might have an interest in the topic. It's not really off-topic, Orrin. Engines and fuel are what we're all about. I'll admit that I speed-read your article and was impressed. I'll take the time later to read it in detail. Rob From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jan 13 12:19:13 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:19:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <478A5A93.5080009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200801132019.m0DKJONe021950@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you, Tommy. I appreciate your comment. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:38 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos Very interesting Orrin and presents some issues that aren't discussed in the media when talking about hydrogen as a fuel technology. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From kimmell at verizon.net Sun Jan 13 13:01:15 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:01:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <0JUL00ATSOVTJAH2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> That was a very good read. I'm far from a scientist, but it doesn't take much research for an intelligent person to find that Hydrogen is not the answer to a fuel crisis (for those of you who actually believe in this "so called" fuel crisis). Hydrogen and Ethanol seem to be the two biggest alternative fuels that are currently being shoved down everyone's throat. It's also interesting to note that they are the two that make the least sense. Ethanol shares quite a bit with hydrogen in the fact that it costs more energy to make it than is recovered when it is burned. It also takes very expensive mods to run a car on ethanol that was not originally designed for it. And those that are factory designed for ethanol are more expensive than their straight gasoline burning counterparts. Any way you slice it, being "green" in the mainstream way comes at a high price. A price that is nothing more than a fashion statement. It's a shame the USA got away from diesels after the mid 80's, otherwise bio-diesel would be a more viable solution. It is still the best alternative fuel option that I have seen. Also still a good option for the USA considering every semi tractor on the road can use the stuff with virtually no modifications. Not to mention all the old Mercedes and Volkswagen diesels still running around. Places like Europe are perfect, where something like 70% of the automobiles on the road are powered by a diesel engine. Bio-diesel can be run in ANY diesel engine with nothing more than a fuel line change in some of the older cars and trucks that still have natural rubber lines. I guess bio-diesel is too much of a threat to big oil... otherwise we might see more of it. -Tony From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 13 13:38:13 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:38:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <200801132017.m0DKH52V017826@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200801132017.m0DKH52V017826@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <1200260293.478a84c5360fd@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Orrin, In your research, did you dig much into the use of metal hydrides as a storage medium for the hydrogen to be used in a hydrogen fuel cell? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydride http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell If I had to wager, I'll bet that's the direction that things go. I agree with the issues you raise about the difficulties and dangers of either compressed or liquified hydrogen. We used liquid hydrogen as a coolent, moderator, and propellent in the NERVA nuclear rocket engine. NASTY, tricky stuff!! In the energy debate, many folks miss the point that many of the discussions are about energy transfer and fuel displacement rather than "using less energy." Consider a nuclear power plant that "burns" uranium as fuel, typically producing electricty as the end product. There really isn't any other use for that uranium. To transfer that energy from the uranium to automobiles, for example, one can use the electricity to recharge batteries, or make hydrogen which can be moved to where the use is. An example of fuel displacement would be all the jet fuel used by airplanes. One can "displace" that oil usage by using the nuke-generated electricty to power high-speed bullet trains that offer comparable transit time city-center to city-center. Granted, here in the USA, there's a considerable investment required to build up infrastructure that we don't have, but we only have to look to major nuclear power using countries (France, Japan, Korea) that also have many bullet trains in routine service to see that the strategy can be highly successful. Thanks for a good, thought-provoking article. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Orrin Iseminger : http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/H2Hype/AnH2Muse.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 13 14:15:33 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:15:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Lesson in how to bid on eBay. NOT. Message-ID: <1200262533.478a8d8533610@webmail.city-net.com> You've heard the old expression relative to the Charity Auction, "bid early, bid often, and bid against yourself if possible." I think these jamokes took that advice seriously!! Check out the bid history! ----- Forwarded message from eBay ----- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200190043388 ================================================================= MONITOR HIT and MISS PUMPJACK MOTOR ( UNRESTORED) From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 14:40:15 2008 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:40:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] A Lesson in how to bid on eBay. NOT. In-Reply-To: <1200262533.478a8d8533610@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <831324.36672.qm@web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do you think that they even noticed that the check valve and the exhaust valve cage are missing? Joe --- fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > You've heard the old expression relative to the Charity Auction, "bid > early, > bid often, and bid against yourself if possible." > > I think these jamokes took that advice seriously!! Check out the bid > history! > > ----- Forwarded message from eBay ----- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200190043388 > ================================================================= > MONITOR HIT and MISS PUMPJACK MOTOR ( UNRESTORED) Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Jan 13 15:59:36 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:59:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Orrin: We must be two peas in a pod! Ever since the first hydrogen fuelled cars were publicized, I've had many reservations about using it as a motor fuel aside from the ineffeciencies of production, storage, etc. Now, the pols and lobbyists want us to embrace ethanol, another poor choice. If you're gonna grow it to run your car, run your DIESEL car from it! Take care - Elden (a dedicated Diesel Freak) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 13 15:00:02 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:00:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Lesson in how to bid on eBay. NOT. In-Reply-To: <1200262533.478a8d8533610@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1200262533.478a8d8533610@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <478A97F2.5030109@scrtc.com> Arnie, I've seen people do that before. A person will have a good bid of $50 on an item. Another person bids and they set their max at $200. Then the person who had the $50 bid, bids $54, he's not the high bid so he then bids $56, he's not the high bid so he then bids $58, etc, etc. Some people try to treat ebay like its a live auction, if you bid $50, I'll bid $52. While the principle is the same with ebay, the symantics of how its done is so much different. If they put in their best bid at the beginning, there would be 10 bids instead of 100. But, I've done the same thing at live auctions. I want an item but I'm not going to give over $500 for it. When bidding gets to $500, I go on and bid $525. When it gets to $550, I go on and bid $575. I end up getting it for $200 more than I intended to pay. It makes life fun and the wife happy! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >You've heard the old expression relative to the Charity Auction, "bid early, >bid often, and bid against yourself if possible." > >I think these jamokes took that advice seriously!! Check out the bid history! > >----- Forwarded message from eBay ----- > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200190043388 >================================================================= >MONITOR HIT and MISS PUMPJACK MOTOR ( UNRESTORED) > > > > > From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Sun Jan 13 15:00:34 2008 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:00:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <0JUL00ATSOVTJAH2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <200801131736.m0DHZrEX055120@mail-gw.fsr.net> <0JUL00ATSOVTJAH2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3674A397-7E60-4614-A0B5-222903C1E44C@rustyiron.com> it's no threat to big oil... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/01/BUG7RJ5F1T1.DTL and they are also playing with hydrogen http://technologyventures.chevron.com/commercialize_tech/hydrogen_energy_stations.asp and still finding ways and going strong for domestic oil http://www.innovation-america.org/archive.php?articleID=35 ********** Kelley Garcia La habra Kalifornia On Jan 13, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Tony & Jackie wrote: > That was a very good read. I'm far from a scientist, but it doesn't > take much research for an intelligent person to find that Hydrogen is > not the answer to a fuel crisis (for those of you who actually > believe in this "so called" fuel crisis). Hydrogen and Ethanol seem > to be the two biggest alternative fuels that are currently being > shoved down everyone's throat. It's also interesting to note that > they are the two that make the least sense. Ethanol shares quite a > bit with hydrogen in the fact that it costs more energy to make it > than is recovered when it is burned. It also takes very expensive > mods to run a car on ethanol that was not originally designed for > it. And those that are factory designed for ethanol are more > expensive than their straight gasoline burning counterparts. Any way > you slice it, being "green" in the mainstream way comes at a high > price. A price that is nothing more than a fashion statement. > > It's a shame the USA got away from diesels after the mid 80's, > otherwise bio-diesel would be a more viable solution. It is still > the best alternative fuel option that I have seen. Also still a good > option for the USA considering every semi tractor on the road can use > the stuff with virtually no modifications. Not to mention all the > old Mercedes and Volkswagen diesels still running around. Places > like Europe are perfect, where something like 70% of the automobiles > on the road are powered by a diesel engine. Bio-diesel can be run in > ANY diesel engine with nothing more than a fuel line change in some > of the older cars and trucks that still have natural rubber lines. > > I guess bio-diesel is too much of a threat to big oil... otherwise we > might see more of it. > > -Tony > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Sun Jan 13 16:45:07 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:45:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan questions Message-ID: <20080113194507.IX4Y1.89595.root@fepweb15> I picked up the 8HP Titan yesterday, forgot the camera. The serial # is in the 890's, any idea of the date of mfg? This engine is throttle governed, is that the difference between it and a Famous? There was a bracket on the ignitor, it's broken off. I guess it had a mag, what would it have come with and were they available with battery ignition? It looks like it was a kero engine from the mixer design, but there are parts missing, throttle levers and links among them. Tommy Turner said the fuel pump was common to other IHC engines, what should I be looking for? These are pictures from my fisrt trip, I'll bring the camera and post some more. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-020S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-019S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-018S.jpg http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-017S.jpg From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sun Jan 13 17:00:46 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:00:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan questions References: <20080113194507.IX4Y1.89595.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <003501c85648$e5e5b610$1700a8c0@PaulLaptop> I like it, guess what . it is not stuck :)) Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan questions >I picked up the 8HP Titan yesterday, forgot the camera. The serial # is in >the 890's, any idea of the date of mfg? This engine is throttle governed, >is that the difference between it and a Famous? There was a bracket on the >ignitor, it's broken off. I guess it had a mag, what would it have come >with and were they available with battery ignition? It looks like it was a >kero engine from the mixer design, but there are parts missing, throttle >levers and links among them. Tommy Turner said the fuel pump was common to >other IHC engines, what should I be looking for? These are pictures from my >fisrt trip, I'll bring the camera and post some more. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-020S.jpg > http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-019S.jpg > http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-018S.jpg > http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/jbcast/MVC-017S.jpg > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jan 13 17:23:24 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:23:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel for personal autos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801140123.m0E1NbeB047029@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos Orrin: We must be two peas in a pod! Ever since the first hydrogen fuelled cars were publicized, I've had many reservations about using it as a motor fuel aside from the ineffeciencies of production, storage, etc. Now, the pols and lobbyists want us to embrace ethanol, another poor choice. If you're gonna grow it to run your car, run your DIESEL car from it! Take care - Elden (a dedicated Diesel Freak) ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eldon, we most certainly are of the same mind! The following borrows heavily from an e-mail I recently sent to National Public Radio's "Science Friday" program host, Ira Flatow. Before you read it, however, let me point out that the Honda Diesels mentioned were production models without modifications to their engines. This is brought out in the linked Web page. The mileage run was done on a track as well as public thoroughfares. Orrin ~~~~~~~~~ I am pro-clean-air, so I understand the reason behind automobile exhaust restrictions; but, I cannot understand why the US cannot be like European countries that are already achieving somewhere in the vicinity of a 35 mpg fleet average, the goal congress is trying to set for the USA some thirteen years hence! Take a look at this: "U.K., May 6, 2004 - Honda's new Accord 2.2 i-CTDi Sport has this week set no fewer than 19 world speed records and achieved 3.07 litres / 100 km (92 mpg) fuel economy to boot." http://world.honda.com/news/2004/4040506.html That was over three years ago! Of course, the numbers are not quite as impressive when one realizes the 92 miles per Imperial gallon translates to *only* 76.6 (IIRC) mpg US. Even so, 76+ mpg is mighty impressive! Granted, that car was "tricked out" and highly tuned by Honda engineers; but, the fact remains that kind of economy is achievable with today's technology. My question is, "Why are we not seeing Honda Diesels in US showrooms, today? Why are we not driving high mileage Diesels in the US?" Is the Clean Air Act providing the US manufacturers with an excuse to not develop high mileage vehicles? I don't know. I only wish I knew. I'm completely baffled over all the hype over hybrids, electrics, and fuel cells when ordinary Diesel-powered VW pick-up trucks available in the US twenty years ago could easily obtain 50 mpg fuel economy; in our family we drove a circa 1980 Isuzu Diesel-powered sedan that easily topped 50 mpg at Interstate speeds. (BTW, it was a very fun car to drive, quiet, comfortable and it handled like a sports car.) It seems to me that it would be much easier to clean up Diesel exhaust than to develop a whole new battery or fuel cell technology and a whole new infrastructure to support it/them. I will concede that a Diesel engine will put CO2 into the air, but so will the 35 mpg fleet average this country is shooting for in thirteen years. The technology is already available, now, that could slash this country's petroleum consumption. Unfortunately, we do not have the political leadership nor the courage in congress to get the job done. The politician shrugs and says the marketplace will decide. Sometimes, the marketplace needs a nudge, an incentive. The politician is more likely to jump onto the current bandwagon and make pretty speeches filled with words like hydrogen or fuel cell or ethanol, just to let folks know he's up with the latest darling fad. How do we go about educating the public and the politicians in order to show them our current technology will take us where we want to go? We don't need pie-in-the-sky solutions [such as metal-hydride hydrogen storage, etc]. We need leadership. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jan 13 18:02:26 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:02:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos In-Reply-To: <1200260293.478a84c5360fd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <200801140202.m0E22dg5003407@mail-gw.fsr.net> Arnie, I am aware of the research into metal hydrides. Almost every day, during station breaks on WSU's radio, a canned message reminds people of the metal hydride research on campus. I purposely didn't go into it, however, because present-day state of the art is compressed or liquefied hydrogen. My gripe has to do with the media not addressing the safety issues surrounding them. Thank you for your compliment, Arnie. Coming from someone with your background, it is a bit extra-special. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:38 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos Hi Orrin, In your research, did you dig much into the use of metal hydrides as a storage medium for the hydrogen to be used in a hydrogen fuel cell? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydride http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell If I had to wager, I'll bet that's the direction that things go. Big snip Thanks for a good, thought-provoking article. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Orrin Iseminger : http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/H2Hype/AnH2Muse.htm From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Sun Jan 13 18:19:26 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:19:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <013b01c85653$e369dfa0$8501a8c0@LapTop> 1-13-08 Hi Paul, I had company for several days and didn't play on my computer. Tonight I just learned that you dear friend, Bill Miller passed from this life into the next. I'm sorry for your loss, as well as his family's. Today, we attended the service for a friend who was battling lung cancer. He to put up a courageous fight. He attended a lot of engine shows with his brother in law who is an engine man and a friend of mine. Again Paul, I'm sorry. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 13 19:09:41 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:09:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! References: <00f001c852ee$6beeb800$210110ac@FAMILY> <013b01c85653$e369dfa0$8501a8c0@LapTop> Message-ID: <01c401c8565a$e8967900$210110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Arthur for your condolences, they are appreciated. I am sorry to hear of the loss of your friend also, it seems we are losing many good folks lately. This brings home the need for each of us to try and live ever day as if we knew it would be our last and to put behind us little things that mean nothing yet consumes our time. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "ArthurDeana Southwell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Sad, Sad Day - another engineman gone! > 1-13-08 > > Hi Paul, > > I had company for several days and didn't play on my computer. Tonight I > just learned that you dear friend, Bill Miller passed from this life into > the next. I'm sorry for your loss, as well as his family's. > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Jan 13 20:11:16 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:11:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Spam> Another Hunk of Iron References: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com><20080112233316.D03232296C5@md5.pennswoods.net> <002201c855e9$80782ec0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <478A6D35.90801@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000c01c85663$828c1a30$726f4b47@mikecomp> We'd be honored to see you and all the beauties! Hopefully we can cure Steve long enough for a short trip to your fine state. Poor soul, he has the worst case of petticoat fever I have ever seen! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] spam: Re: Spam> Another Hunk of Iron > Mike, > Now both of you guys are pretty good fella's. BUT, Steve is the one > who helped me connect on the old iron (after you helped him connect to > it!). Both of you need to stop by when up my way. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>And your brother wishes he had the coin at the time to get it too! It's a >>true beauty. >> >>Mike (the true good cloistered oyster) Royster >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Steve Royster" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:53 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Another Hunk of Iron >> >> >> >> >>>Tommy, Better get Curt to check it out before you decide.......I >>>noticed that all the square nuts are put on backwards. You would think >>>Otto would know better........ Or maybe it was built on a Monday >>>morning....... Glad you got it Tommy! Congratulations, can I get a >>>visitation agreement? Steve the good cloistered oyster brother. >>>ps. my brother the bad cloistered oyster actually turned me on to this >>>beauty years ago ! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jan 13 23:38:06 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:38:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <478940A1.7050300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20080114073802.QLVC25612.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> HI Tommy, That is a good find & a very original and unique engine. That cooling system is very unusual. How effective do you think it would be? Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the photos after you enlarge them: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Jan 14 00:02:08 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:02:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... Message-ID: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is asbestos sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system catches up to ours they'll stop using it too! Regards Paul From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 00:06:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:06:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] A Lesson in how to bid on eBay. NOT. In-Reply-To: <1200262533.478a8d8533610@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1200262533.478a8d8533610@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801140006g60b26e76q7e6abe2c786efe5@mail.gmail.com> On 13/01/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > You've heard the old expression relative to the Charity Auction, "bid early, > bid often, and bid against yourself if possible." > > I think these jamokes took that advice seriously!! Check out the bid history! > > ----- Forwarded message from eBay ----- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200190043388 Worth taking a detailed look at the bidders as well. (as detailed as Ebay will let you, anyway) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jan 14 03:45:32 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:45:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <20080114073802.QLVC25612.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080114073802.QLVC25612.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <478B4B5C.50200@scrtc.com> Patrick, I think it would be marginal but would certainly provide some benefit. My guess is problems with overheating caused it demise. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >HI Tommy, > That is a good find & a very original and unique engine. That >cooling system is very unusual. How effective do you think it would be? >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >-----Original Message----- > >I brought this home last weekend. Some of you may have seen it before >as I know it was showed some in NY. Its an 8 HP Otto Portable. It has >a unique cooling tank mounted on top of the cylinder. Not sure of the >manufacture date but the ignitor has an 1894 patent date on it. Photos >can be seen at this address. Captions and info is found under the >photos after you enlarge them: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32632478&f=0 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 14 06:09:44 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:09:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Why do you consider this "scary"? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 14, 2008, at 3:02 AM, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're > real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is > asbestos > sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system > catches > up to ours they'll stop using it too! > > Regards > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 14 06:48:00 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:48:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel for personal autos References: <200801140123.m0E1NbeB047029@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <002701c856bc$75d67b10$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I am in on it too . I have two customers building hydrocars , one actively I wrote him $200worth of ticket(s )Sat (back and forth to townall day) and sold him a $500 6/12/24v charger on friday . It has been an ongoing plumbing adventure for months From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 14 07:10:11 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:10:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Paul, I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or worse. TTYL, Mark At 03:02 AM 1/14/08, you wrote: >I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're >real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is asbestos >sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system catches >up to ours they'll stop using it too! > >Regards >Paul Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 14 07:53:52 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:53:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel personal autos References: Message-ID: <014501c856c5$a94ea9f0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> damn that was good ! The only problem I see is that I must often give the answers to complex questions in less that 5 or six syllables , or it aint happenin ' . Chuck ps Hydro just left again (fixed him up with an adjustable psi fuel pump setup ) kaching From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Jan 14 08:18:54 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:18:54 EST Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... Message-ID: Hi Mark, I would be surprised if a large number of our group do not have asbestos on hand. I know I keep some in sheet form which I can use for a gasket or heat insulation. I do store it in a sealed bag and don't use it where it might be shattered and blown about by an air cooled engine although those precautions aren't really necessary, as after I soak it in mercury it doesn't blow around all that much. Ron if needed. In a message dated 1/14/2008 10:14:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, frappi at wcoil.com writes: Hi Paul, I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or worse. TTYL, Mark **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jan 14 09:52:14 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:52:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1066.12.223.26.26.1200333134.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> You mean like water? > Hi Paul, > I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know > what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to > manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe > for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who > knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be > eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but > it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it > thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would > not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many > uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or > worse. > > TTYL, Mark > > > At 03:02 AM 1/14/08, you wrote: >>I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're >>real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is asbestos >>sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system catches >>up to ours they'll stop using it too! >> >>Regards >>Paul > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 14 11:00:37 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:00:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <1066.12.223.26.26.1200333134.squirrel@www.antique-engines. com> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> <1066.12.223.26.26.1200333134.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080114135942.02f4cc80@pop3.wcoil.com> Even water can harm you. Mark At 12:52 PM 1/14/08, you wrote: >You mean like water? > > > Hi Paul, > > I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know > > what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to > > manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe > > for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who > > knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be > > eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but > > it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it > > thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would > > not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many > > uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or > > worse. > > > > TTYL, Mark > > > > > > At 03:02 AM 1/14/08, you wrote: > >>I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're > >>real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is asbestos > >>sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system catches > >>up to ours they'll stop using it too! > >> > >>Regards > >>Paul > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > > Parts lists available on request. > > > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > > No Sunday calls if possible. > > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > > represent > > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 14 11:14:08 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:14:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080114140910.02f501b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Ron, Mercury thats a great Idea! and easier then the way I keep my asbestos. I happened to get a barrel of old oil from transformers years ago when they tore the old power plant down, here in town. I soak all my asbestos in that. Also spray it on the weeds in the fence row to keep them down too. GRINNNNNN JUST KIDDING FOLKS TTYL, Mark At 11:18 AM 1/14/08, you wrote: > >Hi Mark, >I would be surprised if a large number of our group do not have asbestos on >hand. I know I keep some in sheet form which I can use for a gasket or heat >insulation. I do store it in a sealed bag and don't use it where it might be >shattered and blown about by an air cooled engine although those precautions >aren't really necessary, as after I soak it in mercury it doesn't blow >around all >that much. >Ron > > > if needed. > >In a message dated 1/14/2008 10:14:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, >frappi at wcoil.com writes: > >Hi Paul, >I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know >what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to >manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe >for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who >knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be >eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but >it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it >thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would >not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many >uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or >worse. > >TTYL, Mark > > > > > >**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jan 14 11:52:51 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:52:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <009c01c856e9$227068a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Aha! We in Oz KNOW That ANYONE coming near asbestos without full body protection, will die a horrible death. Our govt told us so, therefore it MUST be correct! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... > Hi Paul, > I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know > what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to > manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe > for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who > knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be > eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but > it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it > thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would > not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many > uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or > worse. > > TTYL, Mark > > > At 03:02 AM 1/14/08, you wrote: >>I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're >>real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is asbestos >>sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system catches >>up to ours they'll stop using it too! >> >>Regards >>Paul > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jan 14 12:31:21 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:31:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080114135942.02f4cc80@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> <1066.12.223.26.26.1200333134.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114135942.02f4cc80@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <478BC699.3030308@imc-group.com> The 96% water in beer has caused me a heap of trouble on numerous occasions. Nearly got me kicked out of student housing at Clemson one time! Gotta watch that water. :-) Curt Mark Shulaw wrote: > Even water can harm you. Mark > > At 12:52 PM 1/14/08, you wrote: > >> You mean like water? >> >> From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jan 14 13:57:52 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:57:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel for personal autos In-Reply-To: <200801140123.m0E1NbeB047029@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Orrin: I must be a bit ahead of the curve. In 1978, I put a 154 Cubic inch Perkins Diesel in a 1950 Chevy sedan and, after adding a turbo and overdrive, I once got 44mpg with it. Usually, I got between 36 and 40 mpg depending on how I drove it. Now, we have a VW Jetta TDI and it regularly gets 44 mpg. Once, it got almost 48 mpg. I could live with about half the power in that little wagon and get a LOT better mileage. I think you're right. Our pols have their heads stuffed right there where the sun don't shine and are pandering to the gas guzzlers. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Orrin > Iseminger > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 07:23 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a > fuel for personal autos > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] > On Behalf Of Elden DuRand > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a > fuel personal autos > > Orrin: > > We must be two peas in a pod! Ever since the > first hydrogen fuelled cars > were publicized, I've had many reservations about > using it as a motor fuel > aside from the ineffeciencies of production, storage, etc. > > Now, the pols and lobbyists want us to embrace > ethanol, another poor choice. > > If you're gonna grow it to run your car, run your > DIESEL car from it! > > Take care - Elden > (a dedicated Diesel Freak) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Eldon, we most certainly are of the same mind! > The following borrows > heavily from an e-mail I recently sent to > National Public Radio's "Science > Friday" program host, Ira Flatow. > > Before you read it, however, let me point out > that the Honda Diesels > mentioned were production models without > modifications to their engines. > This is brought out in the linked Web page. The > mileage run was done on a > track as well as public thoroughfares. > > Orrin > ~~~~~~~~~ > I am pro-clean-air, so I understand the reason > behind automobile exhaust > restrictions; but, I cannot understand why the US > cannot be like European > countries that are already achieving somewhere in > the vicinity of a 35 mpg > fleet average, the goal congress is trying to set > for the USA some thirteen > years hence! > > Take a look at this: > > "U.K., May 6, 2004 - Honda's new Accord 2.2 > i-CTDi Sport has this week set > no fewer than 19 world speed records and achieved > 3.07 litres / 100 km (92 > mpg) fuel economy to boot." > > http://world.honda.com/news/2004/4040506.html > > That was over three years ago! Of course, the > numbers are not quite as > impressive when one realizes the 92 miles per > Imperial gallon translates to > *only* 76.6 (IIRC) mpg US. Even so, 76+ mpg is > mighty impressive! > > Granted, that car was "tricked out" and highly > tuned by Honda engineers; > but, the fact remains that kind of economy is > achievable with today's > technology. > > My question is, "Why are we not seeing Honda > Diesels in US showrooms, today? > Why are we not driving high mileage Diesels in > the US?" Is the Clean Air > Act providing the US manufacturers with an excuse > to not develop high > mileage vehicles? I don't know. I only wish I knew. > > I'm completely baffled over all the hype over > hybrids, electrics, and fuel > cells when ordinary Diesel-powered VW pick-up > trucks available in the US > twenty years ago could easily obtain 50 mpg fuel > economy; in our family we > drove a circa 1980 Isuzu Diesel-powered sedan > that easily topped 50 mpg at > Interstate speeds. (BTW, it was a very fun car > to drive, quiet, comfortable > and it handled like a sports car.) It seems to > me that it would be much > easier to clean up Diesel exhaust than to develop > a whole new battery or > fuel cell technology and a whole new > infrastructure to support it/them. > > I will concede that a Diesel engine will put CO2 > into the air, but so will > the 35 mpg fleet average this country is shooting > for in thirteen years. > > The technology is already available, now, that > could slash this country's > petroleum consumption. Unfortunately, we do not > have the political > leadership nor the courage in congress to get the > job done. The politician > shrugs and says the marketplace will decide. > Sometimes, the marketplace > needs a nudge, an incentive. > > The politician is more likely to jump onto the > current bandwagon and make > pretty speeches filled with words like hydrogen > or fuel cell or ethanol, > just to let folks know he's up with the latest > darling fad. > > How do we go about educating the public and the > politicians in order to show > them our current technology will take us where we > want to go? We don't need > pie-in-the-sky solutions [such as metal-hydride > hydrogen storage, etc]. We > need leadership. > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 14 13:23:02 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:23:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... OFF TOPIC In-Reply-To: <478BC699.3030308@imc-group.com> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> <1066.12.223.26.26.1200333134.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114135942.02f4cc80@pop3.wcoil.com> <478BC699.3030308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080114154230.02f4ea70@pop3.wcoil.com> I really want to come back and state I'm not out to down play the pain and suffering thats been caused by Asbestos exposure, I know its affects from first hand observation, and its not a pretty thing. My ex, "Karen" lost her father from complications attributed to asbestosis. I'm just saying there are many things that can kill us in even greater numbers then asbestos. And most are in common use because we learn how to minimize the risk to some degree by proper controlled manufacture and use. As for the water thing there were well over 3400 deaths in the US in 2000 from drowning. and there were that many or more hospitalized with serious life long complications due to extended submersion. Let alone the fact that you CAN drink too much water. Its called Water Intoxication. This is a problem mostly seen in infants and atheletes. TTYL, Mark At 03:31 PM 1/14/08, you wrote: >The 96% water in beer has caused me a heap of trouble on numerous >occasions. Nearly got me kicked out of student housing at Clemson one time! >Gotta watch that water. :-) >Curt > >Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Even water can harm you. Mark > > > > At 12:52 PM 1/14/08, you wrote: > > > >> You mean like water? > >> > >> Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 14 14:00:07 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:00:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <009c01c856e9$227068a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> <009c01c856e9$227068a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <8917334E-AEDC-49A5-8CA3-41268C6E991B@alltel.net> Say what you want Reg, but EVERYONE who comes into contact with even a TINY bit of asbestos will eventually die. And that's a FACT! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 14, 2008, at 2:52 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Aha! We in Oz KNOW That ANYONE coming near asbestos without full body > protection, will die a horrible death. Our govt told us so, > therefore it > MUST be correct! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Shulaw" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... > > >> Hi Paul, >> I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we >> know >> what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out >> ways to >> manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats >> unsafe >> for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this >> yet who >> knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have >> to be >> eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a >> problem but >> it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been >> around it >> thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so >> it would >> not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product >> in many >> uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause >> harm or >> worse. >> >> TTYL, Mark >> >> >> At 03:02 AM 1/14/08, you wrote: >>> I just got sent an email from a Chinese company (not a scam, they're >>> real) with a catalog of gasket products. One of the products is >>> asbestos >>> sheet and cut asbestos gaskets. I guess when their legal system >>> catches >>> up to ours they'll stop using it too! >>> >>> Regards >>> Paul >> >> Mark & Christine Shulaw >> 454 Co. Rd. 33 >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> >> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >> Parts lists available on request. >> >> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >> No Sunday calls if possible. >> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I >> represent >> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, >> Preservationist and >> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 14:02:36 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:02:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <8917334E-AEDC-49A5-8CA3-41268C6E991B@alltel.net> References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au> <6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com> <009c01c856e9$227068a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <8917334E-AEDC-49A5-8CA3-41268C6E991B@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160801141402n6743fb42l4418ed4ab0cd8ec2@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > Say what you want Reg, but EVERYONE who comes into contact with even > a TINY bit of asbestos will eventually die. And that's a FACT! > Dave > AMEN! PS: The Portland Countdown could do with a bit of TLC sometime... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jan 14 14:26:23 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:26:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. Message-ID: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> Several on the list know engines are on hold for a while in our house as a new project is underway. Son Devin will be driving in a couple of years and we picked out a vehicle to restore for him. Something requiring sweat equity, something kewl, and something not very fast....a 61' Willys Overland wagon. My granddad had one in the groves in Florida and I've always had a soft spot for them. Devin fell head over heals for them. He really liked the pickup version but was too tall to fit in it. The factory did little for rust prevention and this makes for a lot of work nearly 50 years later. Here are the back cab repairs. And the tailgate repairs. A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the update. Curt Holland From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Jan 14 14:46:48 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:46:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... References: Message-ID: <002e01c856ff$592efd00$726f4b47@mikecomp> I do the same thing, but I put a good coat of lead paint on it to keep it fresh.. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... > > Hi Mark, > I would be surprised if a large number of our group do not have asbestos > on > hand. I know I keep some in sheet form which I can use for a gasket or > heat > insulation. I do store it in a sealed bag and don't use it where it might > be > shattered and blown about by an air cooled engine although those > precautions > aren't really necessary, as after I soak it in mercury it doesn't blow > around all > that much. > Ron > > > if needed. > > In a message dated 1/14/2008 10:14:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, > frappi at wcoil.com writes: > > Hi Paul, > I don't see a scary problem with the use of Asbestos. Now that we know > what the problem is and what it does to the Lung we can figure out ways to > manufacture and utilize it safely. We do it with any product thats unsafe > for human contact in an improper way. If the Chinese has done this yet who > knows, but we can if we want to. Some uses for asbestos might have to be > eliminated or the way its used modified so it does not cause a problem but > it can be used safely. Untold millions or billions have been around it > thru the centuries and extremely few have been troubled by it, so it would > not be too difficult to make changes to a known superior product in many > uses to make it safe overall. AnyThing improperly used will cause harm or > worse. > > TTYL, Mark > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 14 15:18:22 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:18:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <590E138D-B950-41C9-9283-0A25898DE5BF@alltel.net> Looking REAL GOOD Devin and Curt! Dave PS, Devin, I didn't tell your dad that you are saving up your money for a Hemi-- that can remain "our little secret!" -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Curt wrote: > Several on the list know engines are on hold for a while in our > house as > a new project is underway. Son Devin will be driving in a couple of > years and we picked out a vehicle to restore for him. Something > requiring sweat equity, something kewl, and something not very > fast....a > 61' Willys Overland wagon. My granddad had one in the groves in > Florida > and I've always had a soft spot for them. Devin fell head over > heals for > them. He really liked the pickup version but was too tall to fit in > it. > P1010014.html> > > The factory did little for rust prevention and this makes for a lot of > work nearly 50 years later. Here are the back cab repairs. > WillyOverlandRestoration/Cab%20repairs/Thumbnails.html> > > And the tailgate repairs. > WillyOverlandRestoration/TailgateRepairs/Thumbnails.html> > > A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it > running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the > update. > Curt Holland From johnculp at btes.tv Mon Jan 14 15:08:55 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:08:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:18 AM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > I do store it in a sealed bag and don't use it where it might be > shattered and blown about by an air cooled engine although those > precautions > aren't really necessary, as after I soak it in mercury it doesn't blow > around all > that much. I find that a mixture of PCBs and dioxins adds greatly to the sealing effectiveness of the mercury. Doesn't taste too bad, either. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jan 14 14:42:51 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:42:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... References: <478B1700.9000204@steamengine.com.au><6.2.1.2.1.20080114095033.02f4e9a0@pop3.wcoil.com><009c01c856e9$227068a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><8917334E-AEDC-49A5-8CA3-41268C6E991B@alltel.net> <6f6025160801141402n6743fb42l4418ed4ab0cd8ec2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <017001c85702$d23f3d10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Its so deadly that even those who DONT, die! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... > On 14/01/2008, David Rotigel wrote: >> Say what you want Reg, but EVERYONE who comes into contact with even >> a TINY bit of asbestos will eventually die. And that's a FACT! >> Dave >> > > AMEN! > > PS: The Portland Countdown could do with a bit of TLC sometime... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 16:21:41 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:21:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <590E138D-B950-41C9-9283-0A25898DE5BF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <428697.64922.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave, How can you be so cruel? I had just turned 16 and started a full time night job while going to school days. I didn't quite have my drivers license yet. There it was,,,, An even older 194? Willys panel truck with a 427 Hemi in it. It even had a very nice snow plow on it. $150.00 and I didn't have it. I wish I had talked to Mom. Three days later I had the money that beast was sold and gone. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan David Rotigel wrote: Looking REAL GOOD Devin and Curt! Dave PS, Devin, I didn't tell your dad that you are saving up your money for a Hemi-- that can remain "our little secret!" -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Mon Jan 14 16:23:44 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:23:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004601c8570c$e3c17670$1700a8c0@PaulLaptop> Looking good, looks like you have more to work with than I do on a 1948 Chevy truck. Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > Several on the list know engines are on hold for a while in our house as > a new project is underway. Son Devin will be driving in a couple of > years and we picked out a vehicle to restore for him. Something > requiring sweat equity, something kewl, and something not very fast....a > 61' Willys Overland wagon. My granddad had one in the groves in Florida > and I've always had a soft spot for them. Devin fell head over heals for > them. He really liked the pickup version but was too tall to fit in it. > > > The factory did little for rust prevention and this makes for a lot of > work nearly 50 years later. Here are the back cab repairs. > > > And the tailgate repairs. > > > A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it > running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the update. > Curt Holland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jan 14 16:50:06 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:50:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <004601c8570c$e3c17670$1700a8c0@PaulLaptop> References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> <004601c8570c$e3c17670$1700a8c0@PaulLaptop> Message-ID: <478C033E.6080300@imc-group.com> Paul, I've got a neighbor working on one of these. He just bought a wire welder and wants me to teach him how to weld body panels with it. The Chevies seem to have their share of rust....at least his does. The good thing is there are a bazillion parts available for them. The Willys Overland wagon parts are hard to find. I know where at least 2 dozen of these Chevies are if you need parts. Curt Paul wrote: > Looking good, looks like you have more to work with than I do on a 1948 > Chevy truck. > > Paul Waugh > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jan 14 16:56:48 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:56:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <428697.64922.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <428697.64922.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <478C04D0.20502@imc-group.com> Alan, That hemi would have lit the tires up real sweet for a few seconds. At least until the axles let go! The original engines were about 73 HP. Poor old drive train didn't stand a chance with the hemi! Fellow here in town has one with the 350 Chevy in it with the original 5.33:1(?) rear end in it . It still only goes about 55 tops. But it gets there faster than about anything else in town! I'm big on originality, but I've been told that Cummins makes a 4 cylinder diesel that would get about 50 mpg in this vehicle. Very tempting...... Probably has more HP that the original engine too. Can't be any noisier! Curt Alan Bowen wrote: > Dave, > How can you be so cruel? > > I had just turned 16 and started a full time night job while going to school days. > I didn't quite have my drivers license yet. > There it was,,,, An even older 194? Willys panel truck with a 427 Hemi in it. It even had a very nice snow plow on it. $150.00 and I didn't have it. > I wish I had talked to Mom. > Three days later I had the money that beast was sold and gone. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > David Rotigel wrote: > > > Looking REAL GOOD Devin and Curt! > Dave > PS, Devin, I didn't tell your dad that you are saving up your money > for a Hemi-- that can remain "our little secret!" > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jan 14 17:43:14 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:43:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <590E138D-B950-41C9-9283-0A25898DE5BF@alltel.net> References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> <590E138D-B950-41C9-9283-0A25898DE5BF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <478C0FB2.8060304@imc-group.com> Dave, At his current rate of income from blacksmith tinkering, it'll be a LONG time before he saves enough money to buy a hemi! I had a Mopar 400 police interceptor motor sitting in the shop (was going to put it in the Dodge truck I used to have), but I traded this motor on the Willys to eliminate the temptation (mostly for my temptation) :-) Curt David Rotigel wrote: > Looking REAL GOOD Devin and Curt! > Dave > PS, Devin, I didn't tell your dad that you are saving up your money > for a Hemi-- that can remain "our little secret!" > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 17:54:59 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:54:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <478C04D0.20502@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <85035.62513.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Curt, I didn't say anything about original axles on that old Willys. I was certain it had tougher axles. I know it had some really sweet wheels and tires on it. It really had the look of one of those souped up hot vehicles that were built by young men that died in Vietnam and was being sold off cheap by the folks back home. Back in those days I saw several deals like that. Sad but true. Two years later Bob, the older brother of my then girlfriend now wife, saw from a distance a 1964 Chevy step-side short box pickup sitting behind a barn. He pulled into the farm and stopped at the house. A man came out so Bob asked him if the old truck behind the barn was for sale. It was another one of those "dead son" sad stories. The man told Bob he could have the truck for fifty bucks. He also told Bob that he had just driven the truck back there a couple weeks ago and it runs fine. Bob just handed the man the money. Bob had been high on the list to be drafted the same year that man's son went in but he had a hole in each eardrum so they wouldn't take him. Bob walked back there and lifted the hood to check the oil and was surprised to see so much chrome. Yup, that Chevy had a built Ford 390 under the hood. It had a hot cam, racing pistons, three duces and chrome everywhere. Nice wide rear tires and pretty chrome mag wheels too. That truck would really fly. Almost,,,, 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Curt wrote: Alan, That hemi would have lit the tires up real sweet for a few seconds. At least until the axles let go! The original engines were about 73 HP. Poor old drive train didn't stand a chance with the hemi! Fellow here in town has one with the 350 Chevy in it with the original 5.33:1(?) rear end in it . It still only goes about 55 tops. But it gets there faster than about anything else in town! I'm big on originality, but I've been told that Cummins makes a 4 cylinder diesel that would get about 50 mpg in this vehicle. Very tempting...... Probably has more HP that the original engine too. Can't be any noisier! Curt --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Jan 14 18:20:51 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:20:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> <590E138D-B950-41C9-9283-0A25898DE5BF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <003c01c8571d$4000ee10$726f4b47@mikecomp> and Uncle Mikey already has one located nearby............. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > Looking REAL GOOD Devin and Curt! > Dave > PS, Devin, I didn't tell your dad that you are saving up your money > for a Hemi-- that can remain "our little secret!" > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Curt wrote: > >> Several on the list know engines are on hold for a while in our >> house as >> a new project is underway. Son Devin will be driving in a couple of >> years and we picked out a vehicle to restore for him. Something >> requiring sweat equity, something kewl, and something not very >> fast....a >> 61' Willys Overland wagon. My granddad had one in the groves in >> Florida >> and I've always had a soft spot for them. Devin fell head over >> heals for >> them. He really liked the pickup version but was too tall to fit in >> it. >> > P1010014.html> >> >> The factory did little for rust prevention and this makes for a lot of >> work nearly 50 years later. Here are the back cab repairs. >> > WillyOverlandRestoration/Cab%20repairs/Thumbnails.html> >> >> And the tailgate repairs. >> > WillyOverlandRestoration/TailgateRepairs/Thumbnails.html> >> >> A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it >> running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the >> update. >> Curt Holland > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From billmil357 at aol.com Mon Jan 14 18:25:04 2008 From: billmil357 at aol.com (billmil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:25:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral In-Reply-To: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA2534F8D80676-E30-2928@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Here is the link to the obit in the paper and a guest book where you can leave a note to mom. Thanks all, Randy -----Original Message----- From: billmil357 at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:31 pm Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral Hello Everyone, Sometimes I find it amazing what a few hundred pounds of old iron can do to bring a group of people together from all walks of life and all parts of the world. I guess it's the rust that gets in your blood. This evening we had the visitation at the funeral home for daddy. When we started to check the cards on the flowers and plants that had been sent I was really touched to find the beautiful plants from SEL. Thanks so much for the plants, thoughts and prayers. The people on this list were a very special part of Dad's life. Steve, I passed the story you told about Dad sending the picture directions on to his pastor and he is going to include it in the memorial service tomorrow. Thanks again, Randy Miller ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From JR504 at aol.com Mon Jan 14 18:27:42 2008 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:27:42 EST Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. Message-ID: Cummins makes the 4BT, an inline 4 cylinder with a turbo. (a 3.9L I believe) It can be had with an adapter plate to fit nearly any trans because it was used by every truck manufacturer. They were most common in those boxy bread-van style delivery truck(very common in the US anyway). I've got a friend that has put two of them in different full sized Chevies. His '64 4X4 gets 35-38 MPG on the highway, and has plenty of torque if he needs to tow something. The down sides are weight....very heavy for a 4 cylinder, kinda tall too-need a slight body lift for the trans to clear the firewall, and the vibration is pretty significant. High quality motor mounts are a must. Plenty of noise is a given. I'd love to build one some day, as I'm a die-hard Cummins fan. Joe Rappa Mexico, NY Alan, That hemi would have lit the tires up real sweet for a few seconds. At least until the axles let go! The original engines were about 73 HP. Poor old drive train didn't stand a chance with the hemi! Fellow here in town has one with the 350 Chevy in it with the original 5.33:1(?) rear end in it . It still only goes about 55 tops. But it gets there faster than about anything else in town! I'm big on originality, but I've been told that Cummins makes a 4 cylinder diesel that would get about 50 mpg in this vehicle. Very tempting...... Probably has more HP that the original engine too. Can't be any noisier! Curt Alan Bowen wrote: "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" Henry Ford **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From billmil357 at aol.com Mon Jan 14 18:40:36 2008 From: billmil357 at aol.com (billmil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:40:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral In-Reply-To: <8CA2534F8D80676-E30-2928@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> <8CA2534F8D80676-E30-2928@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA25372454D6E9-E30-2A11@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> http://www.legacy.com/CommercialAppeal/Obituaries.asp?Page=Notice&PersonID=101023984 Here is the link to the obit in the paper and a guest book where you can leave a note to mom. Thanks all, Randy -----Original Message----- From: billmil357 at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:31 pm Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral Hello Everyone, Sometimes I find it amazing what a few hundred pounds of old iron can do to bring a group of people together from all walks of life and all parts of the world. I guess it's the rust that gets in your blood. This evening we had the visitation at the funeral home for daddy. When we started to check the cards on the flowers and plants that had been sent I was really touched to find the beautiful plants from SEL. Thanks so much for the plants, thoughts and prayers. The people on this list were a very special part of Dad's life. Steve, I passed the story you told about Dad sending the picture directions on to his pastor and he is going to include it in the memorial service tomorrow. Thanks again, Randy Miller ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Jan 14 18:54:58 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:54:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> <004601c8570c$e3c17670$1700a8c0@PaulLaptop> Message-ID: <005d01c85722$042f6a60$726f4b47@mikecomp> It's worth it. I am still driving the 1948 Willys Jeep my dad and I rebuilt when I was 15-16. I'll never forget it and I learned a lot that serves me today. I learned even more from my brother Steve working on cars. Such as how to cuss, throw wrenches into the cotton field, but the best ever was the time he was drilling with my dad's 1/2 inch B&D drill, it only turned 600rpms and was massive. Once you let go of the trigger, it took a good 30 seconds for it to wind down. One fine summer day Steve was working on his "hot rod" 1946 Ford Coupe, drilling new holes in his revamped fenders when something went wrong, very wrong. Before he knew it, his cotton blue jeans were caught up in the bit, and it was peeling his jeans off him like a cook on an onion. He was screaming bloody murder and dancing all over the carport like his feet were on fire. He was trying to get the trigger lock off as it started at his cuff and was slowly working its way toward the "nether regions." He was screaming and dancing and I was paralyzed with fear, joy and utter amazement all at once. In that one millisecond, God had turned the tide and time and I was getting my revenge. All those years of ass whoopins I had received by his hand, all those ass whoopins I had received by my father where Steve had convinced him I was the one that did whatever Steve got away with, ahhhhh yes, fate was smiling now, no not just smiling, laughing out loud! Well I wanted to help him, but I was frozen with fear and then I was on my back laughing so hard I could not breathe! When I finally regained my breath and composure, there stood my older brother drill in hand, jeans completely torn off, and a big red stripe up his leg, ankle to ass, ending where the sun don't shine! Boys and girls, it don't get no better than that! If you ever see me and I ain't smiling, it's a rare sight and I can tell you why. Some folks are never happy about the past, or what might have been, but me, I had a great child hood. And the day the Black and Decker drill ate the pants off my brother Steve, it's just one tooth on the cog that made life with Steve a never ending adventure. No kidding, it's good to be me! Stay tuned, who knows what will trigger yet another "memory with Steve!!!!!" MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > Looking good, looks like you have more to work with than I do on a 1948 > Chevy truck. > > Paul Waugh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:26 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > > >> Several on the list know engines are on hold for a while in our house as >> a new project is underway. Son Devin will be driving in a couple of >> years and we picked out a vehicle to restore for him. Something >> requiring sweat equity, something kewl, and something not very fast....a >> 61' Willys Overland wagon. My granddad had one in the groves in Florida >> and I've always had a soft spot for them. Devin fell head over heals for >> them. He really liked the pickup version but was too tall to fit in it. >> >> >> The factory did little for rust prevention and this makes for a lot of >> work nearly 50 years later. Here are the back cab repairs. >> >> >> And the tailgate repairs. >> >> >> A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it >> running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the >> update. >> Curt Holland >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From elidas at aol.com Mon Jan 14 19:05:28 2008 From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:05:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <8CA253A9E07FC9C-D6C-10C7@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com> A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the update. Curt Holland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Kaiser had a supercharger that should bolt right onto that 226. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 14 19:18:37 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:18:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral References: <8CA22EB26E0D8F4-11C4-1F9A@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> <8CA2534F8D80676-E30-2928@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <038401c85725$523439e0$210110ac@FAMILY> Randy did you forget the link or am I just missing it? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral > > Here is the link to the obit in the paper and a guest book where you can > leave a note to mom. > > Thanks all, > Randy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: billmil357 at aol.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Sent: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:31 pm > Subject: [SEL] Bill Miller's Funeral > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > Sometimes I find it amazing what a few hundred pounds of old iron can do > to > bring a group of people together from all walks of life and all parts of > the > world. I guess it's the rust that gets in your blood. > > This evening we had the visitation at the funeral home for daddy. When we > started to check the cards on the flowers and plants that had been sent I > was > really touched to find the beautiful plants from SEL. Thanks so much for > the > plants, thoughts and prayers. The people on this list were a very special > part > of Dad's life. > > Steve, I passed the story you told about Dad sending the picture > directions on > to his pastor and he is going to include it in the memorial service > tomorrow. > > Thanks again, > Randy Miller > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Mon Jan 14 19:52:39 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:52:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel for personal autos In-Reply-To: References: <200801140123.m0E1NbeB047029@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <0JUO002FJ2OBQ372@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Elden, I've been toying with the idea of putting a small diesel in an old S-10 or Ranger pickup. Also had plans for a 4-53 Detroit in my old crew cab, but that fell through long ago. I love anything "oil-burner" related. I used to have a couple diesel VW Rabbits and would love to get another. Unfortunately the prices for them have more than doubled since gas hit $3.00 a gallon. Used to be you could find one with a blown head gasket for a couple hundred bucks. Now even the broken ones are $700-800 at the very least. Guess we're not alone in our thinking... I can't help but laugh when I hear some eco-greenie idiot preaching how his stupid hybrid gets 40+ MPG. FOOL, I have a car that was made 25 YEARS AGO that gets 50 mpg. It has the versatility to also be able run on heating oil, motor oil, vegetable oil, or any other low viscosity oil you can possibly throw in it. -Tony (fellow diesel head) At 03:57 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote: >Orrin: > >I must be a bit ahead of the curve. In 1978, I put a 154 Cubic inch >Perkins Diesel in a 1950 Chevy sedan and, after adding a turbo and >overdrive, I once got 44mpg with it. Usually, I got between 36 and >40 mpg depending on how I drove it. > >Now, we have a VW Jetta TDI and it regularly gets 44 mpg. Once, it >got almost 48 mpg. I could live with about half the power in that >little wagon and get a LOT better mileage. > >I think you're right. Our pols have their heads stuffed right there >where the sun don't shine and are pandering to the gas guzzlers. > >Take care - Elden From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 14 21:54:21 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:54:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have had the same thoughts. Here is a couple good 4BT sites: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302523&highlight=4bt* http://4btswaps.com/forum/index.php Ed Herreid> From: JR504 at aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:27:42 -0500> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project.> > > Cummins makes the 4BT, an inline 4 cylinder with a turbo. (a 3.9L I > believe) It can be had with an adapter plate to fit nearly any trans because it was > used by every truck manufacturer. They were most common in those boxy > bread-van style delivery truck(very common in the US anyway). I've got a friend > that has put two of them in different full sized Chevies. His '64 4X4 gets > 35-38 MPG on the highway, and has plenty of torque if he needs to tow > something. The down sides are weight....very heavy for a 4 cylinder, kinda tall > too-need a slight body lift for the trans to clear the firewall, and the vibration > is pretty significant. High quality motor mounts are a must. Plenty of > noise is a given. I'd love to build one some day, as I'm a die-hard Cummins fan.> > Joe Rappa> Mexico, NY> > > > Alan,> That hemi would have lit the tires up real sweet for a few seconds. At > least until the axles let go! The original engines were about 73 HP. > Poor old drive train didn't stand a chance with the hemi!> Fellow here in town has one with the 350 Chevy in it with the original > 5.33:1(?) rear end in it . It still only goes about 55 tops. But it gets > there faster than about anything else in town!> I'm big on originality, but I've been told that Cummins makes a 4 > cylinder diesel that would get about 50 mpg in this vehicle. Very > tempting......> Probably has more HP that the original engine too. Can't be any noisier!> Curt> > Alan Bowen wrote:> > > > > "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do"> Henry Ford> > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Jan 15 00:43:48 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:43:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478C7244.2070301@steamengine.com.au> Well, that thread stirred up some shit. You blokes are all really bored today aren't you :) Paul. ps. there is some in my shed too! From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jan 15 02:11:10 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:11:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <478C7244.2070301@steamengine.com.au> References: <478C7244.2070301@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080115210854.0208b708@ncable.com.au> It's very cold over a lot of the mighty US of A at the minute Paul, was just the response one would normally expect this time of year. PS: if anyone has some of that old type aspestos cord/rope I want some! it's the best gear going to seal the plungers on water pumps and fuel pumps on your engines! Russell At 07:43 PM 15/01/2008, you wrote: >Well, that thread stirred up some shit. You blokes are all really bored >today aren't you :) > >Paul. > >ps. there is some in my shed too! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 15 03:01:32 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:01:32 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic-just a "rant" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801151338765.SM01260@Laptop.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, Thanks to all who replied to my Off Topic rant last week (on and off list). It's good to have friends. Life is almost back to normal and I can start catching up on my work again. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: 13/01/2008 08:23 PM From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Tue Jan 15 03:40:50 2008 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:40:50 EST Subject: [SEL] OT, completely: Hydrogen as a fuel for personal autos Message-ID: As one at the front of research in the use of Ethanol and vegetable oil fuels and the destroyer of a few diesel engines running on veg oils in the early 1980s I thought I might put my 2 bobs worth in. First let me say that methyl esters of vegetable oils or Bio Diesel are a great fuel and burn more efficiently than diesel fuel but they to have there problems. I will use figures for Sunflower oil only. Firstly the area of land needed to grow sufficient quantities. Yield of 650 litres / hectare or approx 70 us gals /acre. Divide this into the amount of diesel used in the US and you get how many EXTRA acres of land you need just to grow fuel. Ah ha you say, we will use recycled oil. But you would be lucky if you could recycle 20% of what you grow now. We also need an area to grow them that does not suffer droughts, floods or petulance so we have a consistent supply Esters are an organic solvent and affect some plastics and rubbers so you have to replace some seals with Viton A seals or better. Esters react with conventional engine oils so if you have crook oil rings you could end up with a thick rubbery goo in the sump. Extra oil changes or stuffed engines. For every tonne of Grain you get 125 US gals of oil but you also get 660kg of meal that we have to get rid of For every 100 gals of Bio Diesel we need 25 gals of Methanol or Ethanol and 4lb of caustic soda. For every 100 US gals of Bio diesel produced we produce about 20 gals of Glycerol, we have to find a use for this.At present the market is satisfied. We also need large quantities of water to wash the Oil to remove any residual caustic soda. Long term storage presents problems with oil reacting with the metal container and becoming thick again taking on the colour of the metal oxide. This causes filters and pipes to block and engines to stop. Only a problem with ag equipment used seasonally. Bio Diesel if spilled on paintwork is a good paint stripper. In Europe and other parts of the world where Bio Diesel is used it is heavily subsidised, this can only happen for a short time. Many of these things seem minor but when we multiply them by the amount needed to replace diesel they become major environmental issues. I still say that Bio diesel is an excellent substitute for diesel but I can not see it as a total replacement. It has many good qualities as well but we have to look at it subjectively with all the hype. I see it as one fuel amongst many that are available now and in the future, I can not see one energy source alone at the present time that will replace oil but a variety of fuels depending on location, fixed or mobile, natural resources available eg natural gas etc. No alternate fuel is with out some side effects just as no medicine is. That's my 2 bobs worth in as short a space as possible Peter Woodmore. peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name Woadmere From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 06:31:21 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:31:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080115210854.0208b708@ncable.com.au> References: <478C7244.2070301@steamengine.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20080115210854.0208b708@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160801150631k6082817dg94271c57abe8471b@mail.gmail.com> On 15/01/2008, Russell Gilbert wrote: > It's very cold over a lot of the mighty US of A at the minute Paul, > was just the response one would normally expect this time of year. > > PS: if anyone has some of that old type aspestos cord/rope I want > some! it's the best gear going to seal the plungers on water pumps > and fuel pumps on your engines! > Russell > There is a woven and graphited PFTE product available for gland seals, we had a reel of it at the workshop last year, I'll see where it went and get the details. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 15 07:54:29 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:54:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ed & Orrin: Take a gander at this: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff/chevy.html If they're still in production, I'd heartily recommend the Perkins 4.154 (4 cylinder 154 cubic inches) engine for any vehicle about the weight of the 'ol Chevy. Perkins also made an engine for reefers. That one was the 4.108 (4-cylinder 108 cubic inches). I met a guy who put one in a Valiant and he said it was a little underpowered. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ed Herreid > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:54 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > > > > I have had the same thoughts. Here is a couple > good 4BT sites: > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30 2523&highlight=4bt* http://4btswaps.com/forum/index.php From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Jan 15 07:31:27 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:31:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <005d01c85722$042f6a60$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <200801151531.m0FFVcLL018635@mail-gw.fsr.net> Mike, IMHO, your post should become an instant classic. When I finally got over my spell of ROTFLMAO, I dusted myself off and forwarded it to everyone in my address book. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. It's worth it. I am still driving the 1948 Willys Jeep my dad and I rebuilt when I was 15-16. I'll never forget it and I learned a lot that serves me today. I learned even more from my brother Steve working on cars. Such as how to cuss, throw wrenches into the cotton field, but the best ever was the time he was drilling with my dad's 1/2 inch B&D drill, it only turned 600rpms and was massive. Once you let go of the trigger, it took a good 30 seconds for it to wind down. One fine summer day Steve was working on his "hot rod" 1946 Ford Coupe, drilling new holes in his revamped fenders when something went wrong, very wrong. Before he knew it, his cotton blue jeans were caught up in the bit, and it was peeling his jeans off him like a cook on an onion. He was screaming bloody murder and dancing all over the carport like his feet were on fire. He was trying to get the trigger lock off as it started at his cuff and was slowly working its way toward the "nether regions." He was screaming and dancing and I was paralyzed with fear, joy and utter amazement all at once. In that one millisecond, God had turned the tide and time and I was getting my revenge. All those years of ass whoopins I had received by his hand, all those ass whoopins I had received by my father where Steve had convinced him I was the one that did whatever Steve got away with, ahhhhh yes, fate was smiling now, no not just smiling, laughing out loud! Well I wanted to help him, but I was frozen with fear and then I was on my back laughing so hard I could not breathe! When I finally regained my breath and composure, there stood my older brother drill in hand, jeans completely torn off, and a big red stripe up his leg, ankle to ass, ending where the sun don't shine! Boys and girls, it don't get no better than that! If you ever see me and I ain't smiling, it's a rare sight and I can tell you why. Some folks are never happy about the past, or what might have been, but me, I had a great child hood. And the day the Black and Decker drill ate the pants off my brother Steve, it's just one tooth on the cog that made life with Steve a never ending adventure. No kidding, it's good to be me! Stay tuned, who knows what will trigger yet another "memory with Steve!!!!!" MR From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 15 07:42:37 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:42:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> References: <478BE18F.50508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <3607.165.206.180.136.1200411757.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Curt - may I place a copy of this on theamcforum.com There are a lot of folks there into Jeeps, and many LOVE these old things! I know Tom Larson of MN would love this! His father had a Willys dealership if I recall. LMK - if you'd rather not, I won't............. Bill > Several on the list know engines are on hold for a while in our house as > a new project is underway. Son Devin will be driving in a couple of > years and we picked out a vehicle to restore for him. Something > requiring sweat equity, something kewl, and something not very fast....a > 61' Willys Overland wagon. My granddad had one in the groves in Florida > and I've always had a soft spot for them. Devin fell head over heals for > them. He really liked the pickup version but was too tall to fit in it. > > > The factory did little for rust prevention and this makes for a lot of > work nearly 50 years later. Here are the back cab repairs. > > > And the tailgate repairs. > > > A LONG way to go yet, but making progress. We redid the brakes, got it > running, and drive it around a little. Thought you might enjoy the update. > Curt Holland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 09:01:18 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:01:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. In-Reply-To: <200801151531.m0FFVcLL018635@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <005d01c85722$042f6a60$726f4b47@mikecomp> <200801151531.m0FFVcLL018635@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Stay tuned, who knows what will trigger yet > another "memory with Steve!!!!!"> > MR> > I believe a few good shots of "The Famous Grouse" triggered that one! Friends ,once again my brother{bless his heart} has gotten his story all wrong................ it was a 5/8 black and decker drill! Steve... the Good Brother> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 15 11:53:28 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:53:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801152303234.SM01920@Laptop.databak.co.za> At 07:00 PM 15/01/2008, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:52:51 +1100 >From: "R & M Ingold" >Aha! We in Oz KNOW That ANYONE coming near asbestos without full body >protection, will die a horrible death. Our govt told us so, therefore it >MUST be correct! >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold Hi Reg, I can back that up. I also saw it on TV here so it must be correct! We all know that governments and TV (and of course newspapers for that matter) never lie don't we! I'm sitting here at 10:00 p.m. typing by torchlight on my laptop - the Govern "munt" calls it load shedding - the rest of us call it bad planning and it's going to last until at least 2012 !!! (for those of you who do not know what a "munt" is (beware it is almost rascist !): explanation no. 4. I sure hope that our minister of prisons (Imprison"munt") never reads this. We also have a Minister of Defence (Spear"munt"), a Minister of the Environment (Enviro"munt"), a Minister of Recreation (Entertain"munt"), a Minister of Finance (Embezzle"munt") and a Minister of Law and Order (Enforce"munt") Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1224 - Release Date: 14/01/2008 05:39 PM From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jan 15 13:25:20 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:25:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801150631k6082817dg94271c57abe8471b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <478C7244.2070301@steamengine.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20080115210854.0208b708@ncable.com.au> <6f6025160801150631k6082817dg94271c57abe8471b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116082334.02190ec0@ncable.com.au> Thanks Peter Always handy to have a little to repack the fuel pumps on engines. I was given a couple of feet of it years back but is now gone. Regards Russell At 01:31 AM 16/01/2008, you wrote: >On 15/01/2008, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > It's very cold over a lot of the mighty US of A at the minute Paul, > > was just the response one would normally expect this time of year. > > > > PS: if anyone has some of that old type aspestos cord/rope I want > > some! it's the best gear going to seal the plungers on water pumps > > and fuel pumps on your engines! > > Russell > > > >There is a woven and graphited PFTE product available for gland >seals, we had a reel of it at the workshop last year, I'll see where >it went and get the details. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From johnculp at btes.tv Tue Jan 15 13:45:45 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:45:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801150631k6082817dg94271c57abe8471b@mail.gmail.com> References: <478C7244.2070301@steamengine.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20080115210854.0208b708@ncable.com.au> <6f6025160801150631k6082817dg94271c57abe8471b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0ba5ff10f71008d124448e0c6a58c609@btes.tv> On Jan 15, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > There is a woven and graphited PFTE product available for gland > seals, we had a reel of it at the workshop last year, I'll see where > it went and get the details. As far as I can tell, none of my glands are leaking. I hope it continues so. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Jan 15 13:44:42 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:44:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". References: <200801152303234.SM01920@Laptop.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Having had a mate who as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis, I certainly would handle the stuff in ''Full Body Armour"" as Reg puts it! The three months '' Holiday Job'' was Peters one and only contact with Asbestos ,a fatal one as it turned out. I am sure what Patrick was referring to was the inclusion of the product in imported Chinese toys .These were remote controlled cars .............when they eventually break a lot of boys would start to take them to pieces and then come into contact with the Asbestos. If the product is hazardous surly we want the Government to tell us!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". > At 07:00 PM 15/01/2008, you wrote: >>Message: 4 >>Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:52:51 +1100 >>From: "R & M Ingold" > > >>Aha! We in Oz KNOW That ANYONE coming near asbestos without full body >>protection, will die a horrible death. Our govt told us so, therefore it >>MUST be correct! >>Reg & Marg Ingold. >>Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > Hi Reg, > I can back that up. > > I also saw it on TV here so it must be correct! > > We all know that governments and TV (and of course newspapers for > that matter) never lie don't we! > > I'm sitting here at 10:00 p.m. typing by torchlight on my > laptop - the Govern "munt" calls it load shedding - the rest of us call > it > bad planning and it's going to last until at least 2012 !!! > > (for those of you who do not know what a "munt" is (beware it is > almost rascist !): > explanation no. 4. > > I sure hope that our minister of prisons (Imprison"munt") never > reads this. We also have a Minister of Defence (Spear"munt"), a Minister > of > the Environment (Enviro"munt"), a Minister of Recreation > (Entertain"munt"), > a Minister of Finance (Embezzle"munt") and a Minister of Law and Order > (Enforce"munt") > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1224 - Release Date: > 14/01/2008 05:39 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jan 15 14:19:56 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:19:56 EST Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". Message-ID: In a message dated 1/15/2008 4:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: Having had a mate who as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis I have had several friends die from it. One whose father came home every day white from the fibers all over his clothes. He died at 35. The other never knew where he got his from and dead at 50. Felt puny, got a cough for several weeks thinking it was the flu/cold/etc. 6 months later, dead! Bad stuff the fibers are. But just like smoking, some can tolerate it and others are not so lucky. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Jan 15 14:38:55 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:38:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801152239.m0FMd9gQ058784@mail-gw.fsr.net> Keep 'em coming! (the memories, that is) I forwarded the B&D drill story to half the people on my mailing list and that started a flood of replies. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. Stay tuned, who knows what will trigger yet > another "memory with Steve!!!!!"> > MR> > I believe a few good shots of "The Famous Grouse" triggered that one! Friends ,once again my brother{bless his heart} has gotten his story all wrong................ it was a 5/8 black and decker drill! Steve... the Good Brother> From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Jan 15 14:48:53 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:48:53 +0800 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". References: Message-ID: <007e01c857c8$d18a0be0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> That's right Tom ,as you say some seem to be able to tolerate these things .I worked in the Phosphate Mining industry ,always worried about the dust ........our Doctor on the island sprinkled the dust on his Corn Flakes ,he is still kicking as far as I know. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". > > In a message dated 1/15/2008 4:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: > > Having had a mate who as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging > plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis > > > > I have had several friends die from it. One whose father came home every > day > white from the fibers all over his clothes. He died at 35. The other > never > knew where he got his from and dead at 50. Felt puny, got a cough for > several > weeks thinking it was the flu/cold/etc. 6 months later, dead! Bad stuff > the > fibers are. But just like smoking, some can tolerate it and others are not > so > lucky. > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From alharris44 at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 15:03:40 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:03:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478D3BCC.4090202@gmail.com> I don't know that I agree with the "lucky" tag being universal Tom. To witness the demise of all your workmates and wonder all the time when your turn would come, did not make for a happy time during the latter years with "the company" or during retirement for a family member. He was a term of life worker for James Hardie/Hardie Ferodo. Started with them at age 17 and retired at 65. Passed on at 82 with only the faintest shadow on his left lung. He had a lot of time to think. Lucky, maybe, maybe not. Al Harris New South Wales, Au Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/15/2008 4:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: > > Having had a mate who as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging > plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis > > > > I have had several friends die from it. One whose father came home every day > white from the fibers all over his clothes. He died at 35. The other never > knew where he got his from and dead at 50. Felt puny, got a cough for several > weeks thinking it was the flu/cold/etc. 6 months later, dead! Bad stuff the > fibers are. But just like smoking, some can tolerate it and others are not so > lucky. > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Jan 15 15:07:10 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:07:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801152307.m0FN7Olo014664@mail-gw.fsr.net> Elden, you were onto something, there. Maybe you could open up shop doing Diesel conversions. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. Ed & Orrin: Take a gander at this: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff/chevy.html If they're still in production, I'd heartily recommend the Perkins 4.154 (4 cylinder 154 cubic inches) engine for any vehicle about the weight of the 'ol Chevy. Perkins also made an engine for reefers. That one was the 4.108 (4-cylinder 108 cubic inches). I met a guy who put one in a Valiant and he said it was a little underpowered. Take care - Elden From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 15 15:13:54 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:13:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. References: <200801152239.m0FMd9gQ058784@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <001e01c857cc$4d181d30$dfdc1fd3@Edd> This got me thinking about an incident with a big old B&D drill.I was one of the old aluminium case type with 2 long extension handles.Now when I was in my 30s I was only 7.5 stone wringing wet.I was using the drill to put a mounting hole through the wood floor of the flour mill where I was working ,on breaking through it jammed on a large bolt.Now being left handed lock on catches tend to do just that as your hand gets in the way of it releasing so the drill kept on going and it picked me up and jammed me against a support pillar.A fellow worker had to come and pull the plug as I couldn't get away. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. > Keep 'em coming! (the memories, that is) I forwarded the B&D drill story > to half the people on my mailing list and that started a flood of replies. > > Best regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:01 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. > > > Stay tuned, who knows what will trigger yet > another "memory with > Steve!!!!!"> > MR> > I believe a few good shots of "The Famous Grouse" > triggered that one! Friends ,once again my brother{bless his heart} has > gotten his story all wrong................ it was a 5/8 black and decker > drill! Steve... the Good Brother> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at btes.tv Tue Jan 15 15:23:17 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:23:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <007e01c857c8$d18a0be0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <007e01c857c8$d18a0be0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <1dab508d6c337a8c61de7ca5989bb063@btes.tv> Eating and breathing are different. Isn't a bit good for your lungs if you breathe flour, for example. Or milk. John On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:48 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > That's right Tom ,as you say some seem to be able to tolerate these > things > .I worked in the Phosphate Mining industry ,always worried about the > dust > ........our Doctor on the island sprinkled the dust on his Corn Flakes > ,he > is still kicking as far as I know. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jan 15 15:35:11 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:35:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. In-Reply-To: <001e01c857cc$4d181d30$dfdc1fd3@Edd> References: <200801152239.m0FMd9gQ058784@mail-gw.fsr.net> <001e01c857cc$4d181d30$dfdc1fd3@Edd> Message-ID: <133F56EA-24DE-43A1-9000-82C9576E33A4@rustyiron.com> On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > on breaking through it jammed on a large bolt.Now being left handed > lock on > catches tend to do just that as your hand gets in the way of it > releasing Right on, Edd. New drill motors have a button that is flush with the case. It makes it difficult for those of us with big fingers to use it, but that's ok. If I'm so tired that I don't have the energy to pull the trigger, it's time to go in and take a nap. On the old-style drill motors with the protruding button, I'd take a dykes and cut it off. Problem solved. Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 15:55:51 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:55:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Every time I run into a conversation like this I cringe a bit about those two days spent replacing asbestos siding on a house back around 1985 or 86. There were a lot of doors and windows to cut around. All those cuts were made with a metal cutting Carborundum blade in my circular saw. The air was a solid cloud of asbestos dust. No, There were no masks of any kind to be found. HEY,,, I just happen to know where there is a stack of NOS Asbestos siding. Still in what's left of the boxes. My Dad stacked them there and he died in 1960. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan peter ogborne wrote: Having had a mate who as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis, I certainly would handle the stuff in ''Full Body Armour"" as Reg puts it! The three months '' Holiday Job'' was Peters one and only contact with Asbestos ,a fatal one as it turned out. I am sure what Patrick was referring to was the inclusion of the product in imported Chinese toys .These were remote controlled cars .............when they eventually break a lot of boys would start to take them to pieces and then come into contact with the Asbestos. If the product is hazardous surly we want the Government to tell us!! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 16:30:04 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:30:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. In-Reply-To: <001e01c857cc$4d181d30$dfdc1fd3@Edd> Message-ID: <758915.4560.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Edd, Was that one of those high speed triple reduction drill motors? The one my partner had was a real beast. I know it broke two arms and one lower leg shin bone. Thankfully none of them were mine. I started carrying my own drill motor. My partner's younger brother worked for us for a while. I saw him pick that beast up and I told him he better swing that drill around and get that 16" piece of pipe up against the stud. He wouldn't listen,,,,, He was using a 3" hole saw and when that saw bit in the handle swung around, smashed his hand against the stud and made a real mess of it. His hand that is. When we split up my partner tried to sell me that drill motor. No way. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Edd Payne wrote: This got me thinking about an incident with a big old B&D drill.I was one of the old aluminium case type with 2 long extension handles.Now when I was in my 30s I was only 7.5 stone wringing wet.I was using the drill to put a mounting hole through the wood floor of the flour mill where I was working ,on breaking through it jammed on a large bolt.Now being left handed lock on catches tend to do just that as your hand gets in the way of it releasing so the drill kept on going and it picked me up and jammed me against a support pillar.A fellow worker had to come and pull the plug as I couldn't get away. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. > Keep 'em coming! (the memories, that is) I forwarded the B&D drill story > to half the people on my mailing list and that started a flood of replies. > > Best regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:01 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland /Black and Decker project. > > > Stay tuned, who knows what will trigger yet > another "memory with > Steve!!!!!"> > MR> > I believe a few good shots of "The Famous Grouse" > triggered that one! Friends ,once again my brother{bless his heart} has > gotten his story all wrong................ it was a 5/8 black and decker > drill! Steve... the Good Brother> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 15 17:51:08 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:51:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... In-Reply-To: <0ba5ff10f71008d124448e0c6a58c609@btes.tv> Message-ID: John: Most of my glands aren't leaking but have either slowed down or totally quit. Gittin' old is Hell........The alternative is even worse!! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 03:46 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos... > > > On Jan 15, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > There is a woven and graphited PFTE product > available for gland > > seals, we had a reel of it at the workshop last > year, I'll see where > > it went and get the details. > > As far as I can tell, none of my glands are > leaking. I hope it > continues so. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 15 17:57:05 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:57:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <200801152307.m0FN7Olo014664@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Orrin: When I did the Chevy, I thought about building repro rods with Diesels in 'em but was discouraged when someone told me that, if I built over something like ten of them a year, the Guvmint would come down on me, HARD. Something having to do with highway safety, clean air and all that other Mickey Mouse stuff. It's prolly good that I didn't do it. I woulda made a gazillion dollars and been richer'n even the Evil One and would not have discovered S.E.L. Either that or I woulda ended up in jail for trying to be smarter than a politician. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Orrin > Iseminger > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 05:07 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > > > Elden, you were onto something, there. Maybe you > could open up shop doing > Diesel conversions. > > Best regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] > On Behalf Of Elden DuRand > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. > > Ed & Orrin: > > Take a gander at this: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff /chevy.html If they're still in production, I'd heartily recommend the Perkins 4.154 (4 cylinder 154 cubic inches) engine for any vehicle about the weight of the 'ol Chevy. Perkins also made an engine for reefers. That one was the 4.108 (4-cylinder 108 cubic inches). I met a guy who put one in a Valiant and he said it was a little underpowered. Take care - Elden From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Jan 15 18:44:11 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:44:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200801160244.m0G2iQQx064542@mail-gw.fsr.net> Hmmmmm, you've got a point, Elden Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. Snip Either that or I woulda ended up in jail for trying to be smarter than a politician. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From kimmell at verizon.net Tue Jan 15 20:14:36 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:14:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <85035.62513.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <478C04D0.20502@imc-group.com> <85035.62513.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0JUP00JRCXSR06G3@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> At 07:54 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote: >Yup, that Chevy had a built Ford 390 under the hood. Too bad the kid didn't dump that amount of money into a Chevy smallblock... he could have had twice the motor ;-) -Tony (Chevy fan) From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Jan 16 01:04:09 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:04:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <1dab508d6c337a8c61de7ca5989bb063@btes.tv> References: <007e01c857c8$d18a0be0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <1dab508d6c337a8c61de7ca5989bb063@btes.tv> Message-ID: <478DC889.4020702@steamengine.com.au> I can understand why you might breathe flower, but I'm a little stumped on the milk. That might be the root of all evil in the world. Stop people doing lines of milk. That would solve everything. Paul John Culp wrote: > Eating and breathing are different. > > Isn't a bit good for your lungs if you breathe flour, for example. Or > milk. > > John > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Jan 16 01:13:47 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:13:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". - what the hell is a munt? In-Reply-To: <200801152303234.SM01920@Laptop.databak.co.za> References: <200801152303234.SM01920@Laptop.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <478DCACB.6000808@steamengine.com.au> Looked at your link... supposedly Australian Slang huh? I have to say I've never once heard it used. Another word that ends in 'unt' and doesn't start with 'm' is used quite regularly, but not 'munt'. Example 1 would be more like just the last sentence about Dave. Example 2 "Hey dude I drove over a squirrel the other day. I've got it here - look its completely munted!" - an Aussie may use "dude" but we don't have squirrels (seriously, we don't), and it would more likely be a wombat we ran over in which case the sentence would more likely be "I ran over a f*ckin hairy rock and now my car is totally rooted". Example 3 "A girl that is undesirable or not very attractive. Jim: What about tracey ? Dave: na shes a munt. Jim: Fair enough" would more likely be "Jim: What about tracey ? Dave: na shes a dog. Jim: Fair'nuf" but then again, most Aussie blokes would get into anything if they'd had enough beer so the situation probably wouldn't come up (back to too much beer again). See - now you've had a lesson is Stroin you could do the entrance exam and immigrate :) Stroin if you're wondering is a lot like Merican. Regards Paul Jerry Evans wrote: > (for those of you who do not know what a "munt" is (beware it is > almost rascist !): > explanation no. 4. > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 16 02:38:27 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:38:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". - what the hell is a munt? References: <200801152303234.SM01920@Laptop.databak.co.za> <478DCACB.6000808@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <001001c8582b$ee8041c0$3bf0eddc@Edd> No.I have never heard it before.May be a Tassie term? EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". - what the hell is a munt? > Looked at your link... supposedly Australian Slang huh? I have to say > I've never once heard it used. Another word that ends in 'unt' and > doesn't start with 'm' is used quite regularly, but not 'munt'. > > Example 1 would be more like just the last sentence about Dave. > > Example 2 "Hey dude I drove over a squirrel the other day. I've got it > here - look its completely munted!" - an Aussie may use "dude" but we > don't have squirrels (seriously, we don't), and it would more likely be > a wombat we ran over in which case the sentence would more likely be "I > ran over a f*ckin hairy rock and now my car is totally rooted". > > Example 3 "A girl that is undesirable or not very attractive. Jim: What > about tracey ? Dave: na shes a munt. Jim: Fair enough" would more likely > be "Jim: What about tracey ? Dave: na shes a dog. Jim: Fair'nuf" but > then again, most Aussie blokes would get into anything if they'd had > enough beer so the situation probably wouldn't come up (back to too much > beer again). > > See - now you've had a lesson is Stroin you could do the entrance exam > and immigrate :) > > Stroin if you're wondering is a lot like Merican. > > Regards > Paul > > Jerry Evans wrote: >> (for those of you who do not know what a "munt" is (beware it is >> almost rascist !): >> explanation no. 4. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 16 03:18:40 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:18:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. cheers, Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Jan 16 03:54:29 2008 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:54:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Very Interesting Mate, you've done an excellent job. Now you can start getting the rings out. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. > Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on > webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) > > The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has > cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar > to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger > one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle > grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. > This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly > tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. > Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) > but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. > cheers, Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Jan 16 06:58:08 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:58:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> Alan you should put them on e bay. Could get good money for them as antiques. There is still a lot of uses for asbestos if you have common sense how to use it and cut it. In my life time i have installed a hundred squares or so on houses. We cut it with a big machine that cut like a paper cutter did not make any dust. R Fink At 03:55 PM 1/15/2008 -0800, you wrote: >Every time I run into a conversation like this I cringe a bit about >those two days spent replacing asbestos siding on a house back >around 1985 or 86. >There were a lot of doors and windows to cut around. >All those cuts were made with a metal cutting Carborundum blade in >my circular saw. The air was a solid cloud of asbestos dust. >No, There were no masks of any kind to be found. >HEY,,, I just happen to know where there is a stack of NOS Asbestos siding. >Still in what's left of the boxes. >My Dad stacked them there and he died in 1960. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > > >peter ogborne wrote: Having had a mate who >as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging >plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis, I certainly would handle the >stuff in ''Full Body Armour"" as Reg puts it! The three months '' Holiday >Job'' was Peters one and only contact with Asbestos ,a fatal one as it >turned out. >I am sure what Patrick was referring to was the inclusion of the product in >imported Chinese toys .These were remote controlled cars .............when >they eventually break a lot of boys would start to take them to pieces and >then come into contact with the Asbestos. >If the product is hazardous surly we want the Government to tell us!! > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! >Mobile. Try it now. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: >1/13/2008 8:23 PM From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 16 04:25:45 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:25:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <001d01c8583a$ebf35780$3bf0eddc@Edd> What you up to mate!!! EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > Very Interesting Mate, you've done an excellent job. Now you can start > getting the rings out. Cheers Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell Gilbert" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:18 PM > Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > > >> There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. >> Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on >> webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) >> >> The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has >> cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar >> to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger >> one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle >> grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. >> This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly >> tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. >> Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) >> but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. >> cheers, Russell >> Russell Gilbert >> Sunny Sunraysia >> russell at ncable.com.au >> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 04:27:52 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:27:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <951599.97047.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, A couple years ago I ran into an asbestos siding cutter at two different auctions. YES, it was the same one. 8>)) I was thinking I should have had one of those to use way back when,,,,,,, I'll go check eBay. One man's trash is another man's treasure,,,,, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Richard Fink Sr wrote: Alan you should put them on e bay. Could get good money for them as antiques. There is still a lot of uses for asbestos if you have common sense how to use it and cut it. In my life time i have installed a hundred squares or so on houses. We cut it with a big machine that cut like a paper cutter did not make any dust. R Fink At 03:55 PM 1/15/2008 -0800, you wrote: >Every time I run into a conversation like this I cringe a bit about >those two days spent replacing asbestos siding on a house back >around 1985 or 86. >There were a lot of doors and windows to cut around. >All those cuts were made with a metal cutting Carborundum blade in >my circular saw. The air was a solid cloud of asbestos dust. >No, There were no masks of any kind to be found. >HEY,,, I just happen to know where there is a stack of NOS Asbestos siding. >Still in what's left of the boxes. >My Dad stacked them there and he died in 1960. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > > >peter ogborne wrote: Having had a mate who >as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging >plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis, I certainly would handle the >stuff in ''Full Body Armour"" as Reg puts it! The three months '' Holiday >Job'' was Peters one and only contact with Asbestos ,a fatal one as it >turned out. >I am sure what Patrick was referring to was the inclusion of the product in >imported Chinese toys .These were remote controlled cars .............when >they eventually break a lot of boys would start to take them to pieces and >then come into contact with the Asbestos. >If the product is hazardous surly we want the Government to tell us!! > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! >Mobile. Try it now. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: >1/13/2008 8:23 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 16 04:51:28 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:51:28 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up In-Reply-To: <001d01c8583a$ebf35780$3bf0eddc@Edd> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> <001d01c8583a$ebf35780$3bf0eddc@Edd> Message-ID: <000e01c8583e$82885ad0$87991070$@net.au> Can't you fellers sleep over there? We are sending you a bit more hot weather by the way!! Should just about make 40 here tomorrow. :D Should hit you blokes in time for the week end. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2008 9:26 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up What you up to mate!!! EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > Very Interesting Mate, you've done an excellent job. Now you can start > getting the rings out. Cheers Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell Gilbert" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:18 PM > Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > > >> There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. >> Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on >> webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) >> >> The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has >> cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar >> to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger >> one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle >> grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. >> This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly >> tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. >> Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) >> but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. >> cheers, Russell >> Russell Gilbert >> Sunny Sunraysia >> russell at ncable.com.au >> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jan 16 04:57:54 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:57:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up In-Reply-To: <001d01c8583a$ebf35780$3bf0eddc@Edd> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> <001d01c8583a$ebf35780$3bf0eddc@Edd> Message-ID: <478DFF52.5020309@scrtc.com> Wow Russell, I didn't realize the Campbell was that big until I see you standing beside it. A lot of iron there! Its a beautiful engine. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >> >> >>>There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. >>>Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on >>>webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) >>> >>>The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has >>>cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar >>>to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger >>>one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle >>>grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. >>>This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly >>>tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. >>>Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) >>>but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. >>>cheers, Russell >>>Russell Gilbert >>>Sunny Sunraysia >>>russell at ncable.com.au >>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 16 06:54:17 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:54:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Identification Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080116095403.02f65ab0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi All, We have this ad of an old farm engine driven washer on our club web site. Was wondering if anyone has an idea what the engine is? I know the picture is a bit crummy but its all we have. Thanks, Mark http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/oddengine1.jpg Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jan 16 08:27:02 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:27:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Willys Overland project. In-Reply-To: <0JUP00JRCXSR06G3@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <478C04D0.20502@imc-group.com> <85035.62513.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JUP00JRCXSR06G3@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3621.165.206.180.136.1200500822.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Hey Curt, or for that matter, anyone........ Check out the thread at: http://theamcforum.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2602 Tom, xj-001, is a real Willys nut and I knew if I posted that it would attract his attention...... Curt if you need anything, might check with Tom Larson (XJ-001) as he's a great resource. Bill (because now that Willys engine is stationary) From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Wed Jan 16 08:48:33 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:48:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russell,Nice engine,top English workmanship.I would not Hone the bore untill you see if new rings are needed!Clean it as gently as poss,free the rings and let the rings bed in and find any original seating.I would not under any cercunstances remove the rings until you have tried them back in the bore and seen what compression you have.You might be surprised! I am probably telling my granny how to suck eggs. John.> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:18:40 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up> > There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. > Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on > webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-)> > The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has > cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar > to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger > one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle > grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. > This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly > tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. > Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) > but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them.> cheers, Russell> Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alharris44 at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 11:28:26 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:28:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. > http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html Al Harris New South Wales, Au Richard Fink Sr wrote: > Alan you should put them on e bay. Could get good money for them as > antiques. There is still a lot of uses for asbestos if you have > common sense how to use it and cut it. In my life time i have > installed a hundred squares or so on houses. We cut it with a big > machine that cut like a paper cutter did not make any dust. > R Fink > > > > > At 03:55 PM 1/15/2008 -0800, you wrote: >> Every time I run into a conversation like this I cringe a bit about >> those two days spent replacing asbestos siding on a house back >> around 1985 or 86. >> There were a lot of doors and windows to cut around. >> All those cuts were made with a metal cutting Carborundum blade in >> my circular saw. The air was a solid cloud of asbestos dust. >> No, There were no masks of any kind to be found. >> HEY,,, I just happen to know where there is a stack of NOS Asbestos siding. >> Still in what's left of the boxes. >> My Dad stacked them there and he died in 1960. >> >> Alan Bowen >> Williamsburg, Michigan >> >> >> >> peter ogborne wrote: Having had a mate who >> as a young man worked at Wittenoom in the bagging >> plant and died at the age of 31 of Asbestosis, I certainly would handle the >> stuff in ''Full Body Armour"" as Reg puts it! The three months '' Holiday >> Job'' was Peters one and only contact with Asbestos ,a fatal one as it >> turned out. >> I am sure what Patrick was referring to was the inclusion of the product in >> imported Chinese toys .These were remote controlled cars .............when >> they eventually break a lot of boys would start to take them to pieces and >> then come into contact with the Asbestos. >> If the product is hazardous surly we want the Government to tell us!! >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! >> Mobile. Try it now. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: >> 1/13/2008 8:23 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Jan 16 12:41:46 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:41:46 EST Subject: [SEL] - OT -Dodge/Plymouth 6 Cylinder Reluctor & Pick-Up Message-ID: Hi List, I have been cleaning up the garage and I found a Reluctor & Pick-Up for '72 -'77 6 cylinder Chrysler electronic ignition system. I have no idea how this unit arrived in my junk. It is still in the original package. I hate to throw this item in the recycle can. If anyone has a need for this unit, let me know and send me a mailing address. First reply will get it for no charge. Francis Maciel 514 E. Taft Street Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jan 16 13:15:15 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:15:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> <478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. Curt Al Harris wrote: > For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. > > >> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >> > > Al Harris > New South Wales, Au > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 13:54:02 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:54:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] - OT -Dodge/Plymouth 6 Cylinder Reluctor & Pick-Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <164813.26649.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I replied. Alan Bowen FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: Hi List, I have been cleaning up the garage and I found a Reluctor & Pick-Up for '72 -'77 6 cylinder Chrysler electronic ignition system. I have no idea how this unit arrived in my junk. It is still in the original package. I hate to throw this item in the recycle can. If anyone has a need for this unit, let me know and send me a mailing address. First reply will get it for no charge. Francis Maciel 514 E. Taft Street Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 16 15:52:52 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:52:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> <478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Ah yes. let BIG MOMMY take care of you! Dave PS, The asbestos "scare" brought to you by people like Edwards (and various governments in the free world) is about as much BULL SHIT as is global warming! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Curt wrote: > Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. > Curt > > Al Harris wrote: >> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. >> >> >>> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >>> >> >> Al Harris >> New South Wales, Au >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 16 16:39:39 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:39:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up In-Reply-To: <478DFF52.5020309@scrtc.com> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> <001d01c8583a$ebf35780$3bf0eddc@Edd> <478DFF52.5020309@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080117113801.0217a5b0@ncable.com.au> Thanks Tommy, it's an exesively heavy engine I tell you. Really looking forward to having it up and running. Russell At 11:57 PM 16/01/2008, you wrote: >Wow Russell, I didn't realize the Campbell was that big until I see you >standing beside it. A lot of iron there! Its a beautiful engine. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >> > >> > >>>There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. > >>>Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on > >>>webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) > >>> > >>>The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has > >>>cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar > >>>to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger > >>>one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle > >>>grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. > >>>This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly > >>>tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. > >>>Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) > >>>but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. > >>>cheers, Russell > >>>Russell Gilbert > >>>Sunny Sunraysia > >>>russell at ncable.com.au > >>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 16 16:42:25 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:42:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080117114008.021e6d10@ncable.com.au> John thanks for the tip there. Deffinately not telling your grany anything as far as I'm concerned. I don't think we ever stop learning. You comments makes good sense to me. regards Russell At 03:48 AM 17/01/2008, you wrote: >Hi Russell,Nice engine,top English workmanship.I would not Hone the >bore untill you see if new rings are needed!Clean it as gently as >poss,free the rings and let the rings bed in and find any original >seating.I would not under any cercunstances remove the rings until >you have tried them back in the bore and seen what compression you >have.You might be surprised! I am probably telling my granny how to >suck eggs. John.> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:18:40 +1100> To: >sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> >Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up> > There is a number of you >guys watching the progress on my Campbell. > Well I've just got to >placing the lastest progress pics up on > webshots if you are >interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-)> > The boar >has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has > cleaned out >pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar > to really >give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger > one. I ! > gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle > > grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar > also. > This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to > properly > tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear > journal areas. > Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming > gears (Bugger!) > but other than that the gears look to have had > very little ware on them.> cheers, Russell> Russell Gilbert> Sunny > Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 16 16:48:29 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:48:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up In-Reply-To: <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> <007001c85836$8dcb7a60$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080117114244.021e2640@ncable.com.au> G'day Cam, I have the piston soaking now. Will let it sit a week or two and then free them up. The gujon feel all good; will get it apart to clean up the conrod. Russell At 10:54 PM 16/01/2008, you wrote: >Very Interesting Mate, you've done an excellent job. Now you can start >getting the rings out. Cheers Cam >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: "SEL" >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:18 PM >Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > > > > There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. > > Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on > > webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) > > > > The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has > > cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar > > to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger > > one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle > > grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. > > This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly > > tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. > > Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) > > but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. > > cheers, Russell > > Russell Gilbert > > Sunny Sunraysia > > russell at ncable.com.au > > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 16 17:06:46 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:06:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> A lot less bull shit than you are going on about.Normally I wouldn't bother to answer your stupidity but a good family friend of mine dyed a horrible slow death from asbestos related disease.She spent her life caring for and washing her husbands work clothes .He was a carpenter at James hardy asbestos plant.He is OK so far but lives with the knowledge his life took hers.So Dave try to talk about something you know about but that may be impossible. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". > Ah yes. let BIG MOMMY take care of you! > Dave > PS, The asbestos "scare" brought to you by people like Edwards (and > various governments in the free world) is about as much BULL SHIT as > is global warming! > > > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Curt wrote: > >> Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. >> Curt >> >> Al Harris wrote: >>> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. >>> >>> >>>> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >>>> >>> >>> Al Harris >>> New South Wales, Au >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 16 17:26:15 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:26:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080116221119.02191ea0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <01c801c858a7$f4bd79a0$210110ac@FAMILY> Great pictures Russell, thanks for posting them. Let us know each time you add pictures to the album so we can continue to follow along on your restoration. Nice engine, it would look good here in Central Arkansas.. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's are up > There is a number of you guys watching the progress on my Campbell. > Well I've just got to placing the lastest progress pics up on > webshots if you are interested. Them who aint can please emselves :-) > > The boar has/had some scale/rust up the front section which has > cleaned out pretty well. My hoan is a little to small for this boar > to really give it a good clean so need to wait on borrowing a bigger > one. I gave it a light clean with mine but have also had the angle > grinder (portable mill) with a wire brush attached up the boar also. > This has done a real good job but still needs hoaning to properly > tell what it's like. All bearings look good as do bear journal areas. > Has a couple of broken teeth to fix on the timming gears (Bugger!) > but other than that the gears look to have had very little ware on them. > cheers, Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 16 17:56:14 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:56:14 +0800 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com><478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> Message-ID: <000b01c858ac$29418c80$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> I too would not normally react to this idiot..........I really think he talks from his arse. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". >A lot less bull shit than you are going on about.Normally I wouldn't bother > to answer your stupidity but a good family friend of mine dyed a horrible > slow death from asbestos related disease.She spent her life caring for and > washing her husbands work clothes .He was a carpenter at James hardy > asbestos plant.He is OK so far but lives with the knowledge his life took > hers.So Dave try to talk about something you know about but that may be > impossible. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". > > >> Ah yes. let BIG MOMMY take care of you! >> Dave >> PS, The asbestos "scare" brought to you by people like Edwards (and >> various governments in the free world) is about as much BULL SHIT as >> is global warming! >> >> >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Curt wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. >>> Curt >>> >>> Al Harris wrote: >>>> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> New South Wales, Au >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Jan 16 18:26:35 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:26:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] - OT -Dodge/Plymouth 6 Cylinder Reluctor & Pick-Up References: <164813.26649.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ca01c858b0$61d05230$0302a8c0@Ed> If now else wants it, I do. I have a distributor out of a 1970 Tempest straight six in my bow of ignition stuff. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] - OT -Dodge/Plymouth 6 Cylinder Reluctor & Pick-Up >I replied. > Alan Bowen > > FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: Hi List, > I have been cleaning up the garage and I found a Reluctor & Pick-Up for > '72 > -'77 6 cylinder Chrysler electronic ignition system. I have no idea how > this > unit arrived in my junk. It is still in the original package. > I hate to throw this item in the recycle can. If anyone has a need for > this > unit, let me know and send me a mailing address. First reply will get it > for no charge. > > Francis Maciel > 514 E. Taft Street > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 16 19:37:23 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:37:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> Message-ID: Hi Edd, So you like MOMMY taking care of you do you? Dave PS, Don't believe everything you believe! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > A lot less bull shit than you are going on about.Normally I > wouldn't bother > to answer your stupidity but a good family friend of mine dyed a > horrible > slow death from asbestos related disease.She spent her life caring > for and > washing her husbands work clothes .He was a carpenter at James hardy > asbestos plant.He is OK so far but lives with the knowledge his > life took > hers.So Dave try to talk about something you know about but that > may be > impossible. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now > govern"munt". > > >> Ah yes. let BIG MOMMY take care of you! >> Dave >> PS, The asbestos "scare" brought to you by people like Edwards (and >> various governments in the free world) is about as much BULL SHIT as >> is global warming! >> >> >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Curt wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. >>> Curt >>> >>> Al Harris wrote: >>>> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> New South Wales, Au >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Jan 16 19:30:23 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:30:23 EST Subject: [SEL] - OT -Dodge/Plymouth 6 Cylinder Reluctor & Pick-Up Message-ID: Just to let you know, Curt Holland was the first to reply. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 1/16/2008 6:34:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, edstoller at earthlink.net writes: If now else wants it, I do. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From alharris44 at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 19:52:42 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:52:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> Message-ID: <478ED10A.9030307@gmail.com> Hi Dave, some final philosophical Acknowledge"munts" to go with yours. Don't understand everything you understand. Don't see everything you see. Don't hear everything you hear. About sums up your asbestos research, eh. :-P Al Harris New South Wales, Au David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Edd, So you like MOMMY taking care of you do you? > Dave > PS, Don't believe everything you believe! > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > From weolson at wiktel.com Wed Jan 16 20:34:47 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:34:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Identification In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080116095403.02f65ab0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080116095403.02f65ab0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <80220171187.20080116223447@wiktel.com> Hello Mark, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 8:54:17 AM, you wrote: MS> Hi All, MS> We have this ad of an old farm engine driven washer on our club web MS> site. Was wondering if anyone has an idea what the engine is? I know the MS> picture is a bit crummy but its all we have. Thanks, Mark MS> http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/oddengine1.jpg MS> Mark & Christine Shulaw MS> Bluffton, Ohio MS> Email: Frappi at wcoil.com MS> Home #419.358.5206 MS> _______________________________________________ MS> SEL mailing list MS> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com MS> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Do you have any information as to the year of the ad? My wife would like to know, I would suspect perhaps the early 20's. We have a display and demonstration of Old Tyme Laundry equipment, including old washing machines and gas Fairbanks Morse "Z" Style D powered pump jack. -- Thanks, William Olson Northern Minnesota mailto:weolson at wiktel.com From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 17 00:40:55 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (pjp at steamengine.com.au) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:40:55 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net> <478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <23741.203.39.62.50.1200559255.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au> the health problems are quite real and not everyone has enough info to make a reasoned choice like you have. Besides you won't last out the 30 year incubation period anyway!! > Ah yes. let BIG MOMMY take care of you! > Dave > PS, The asbestos "scare" brought to you by people like Edwards (and > various governments in the free world) is about as much BULL SHIT as > is global warming! > > > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Curt wrote: > >> Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. >> Curt >> >> Al Harris wrote: >>> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. >>> >>> >>>> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >>>> >>> >>> Al Harris >>> New South Wales, Au >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jan 17 00:43:46 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (pjp at steamengine.com.au) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:43:46 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <478ED10A.9030307@gmail.com> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> <478ED10A.9030307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <23894.203.39.62.50.1200559426.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au> Dave's tombstone will say: He didn't understand; he didn't hear; he didn't see. > Hi Dave, > > some final philosophical Acknowledge"munts" to go with yours. > > Don't understand everything you understand. > Don't see everything you see. > Don't hear everything you hear. > > About sums up your asbestos research, eh. :-P > > Al Harris > From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 17 00:53:00 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:53:00 +0900 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> Message-ID: <003001c858e6$5d386b00$17a94100$@net.au> So the government says that asbestos can cause terminal illness. So it seems the Rotigol strategy is to stick your head in a bag of asbestos fibres so as to avoid the greater hazard of Mommy looking after us. If you don't you are a communist. The plain facts are a lot of good men are dying here on a daily basis because they happened to work for James Hardy or worked in places like the Wittenoom mine.:D You are slipping Dave. We at least deserve a PPS as well as a PPPS. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2008 12:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". Hi Edd, So you like MOMMY taking care of you do you? Dave PS, Don't believe everything you believe! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > A lot less bull shit than you are going on about.Normally I > wouldn't bother > to answer your stupidity but a good family friend of mine dyed a > horrible > slow death from asbestos related disease.She spent her life caring > for and > washing her husbands work clothes .He was a carpenter at James hardy > asbestos plant.He is OK so far but lives with the knowledge his > life took > hers.So Dave try to talk about something you know about but that > may be > impossible. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now > govern"munt". > > >> Ah yes. let BIG MOMMY take care of you! >> Dave >> PS, The asbestos "scare" brought to you by people like Edwards (and >> various governments in the free world) is about as much BULL SHIT as >> is global warming! >> >> >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Curt wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the info Al. Very educational. >>> Curt >>> >>> Al Harris wrote: >>>> For those that are unfamiliar or uninitiated, and interested. >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.workershealth.com.au/facts031.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> New South Wales, Au >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 17 05:38:28 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:38:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> <478ED10A.9030307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01c8590e$3ed8d0f0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Don't understand everything you understand. > Don't see everything you see. > Don't hear everything you hear. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Dont say everything you think . From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jan 17 05:39:42 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:39:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Computer gurus Message-ID: <478F5A9E.20309@imc-group.com> Computer gurus, A long long time ago one of you steered me toward the file sort fix for Windows XP. This fix forces XP to sort numerical files the way that 98 did. Anyone recall the fix? Have reloaded a computer OS here and need to correct this. Thanks, Curt From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Jan 17 05:54:48 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:54:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". Message-ID: <380-220081417135448843@coastalnet.com> "Closed mouths gather no feet" (Bob Learned) > > Don't understand everything you understand. > > Don't see everything you see. > > Don't hear everything you hear. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > Dont say everything you think . From alharris44 at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 07:30:23 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:30:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] scary... you can still buy asbestos./now govern"munt". In-Reply-To: <001a01c8590e$3ed8d0f0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <003601c857c0$da25d930$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <7734.93877.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080116115810.78A11229A42@md5.pennswoods.net><478E5ADA.1030404@gmail.com> <478E73E3.9050604@imc-group.com> <000f01c858a5$3c6b1d00$3bf0eddc@Edd> <478ED10A.9030307@gmail.com> <001a01c8590e$3ed8d0f0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <478F748F.5060709@gmail.com> Chuck Balyeat wrote: >> Don't understand everything you understand. >> Don't see everything you see. >> Don't hear everything you hear. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . > > Dont say everything you think . Don't make promises you can't keep. From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 08:04:12 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:04:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stranded on a Desert Island Message-ID: Stranded on a Desert Island A Greek man was washed up on beach after a terrible shipwreck. Only a sheep and a sheepdog survived with him. He looked around and realized that they were stranded on a desert island. After being there a while, he got into the habit of taking his two animal companions to the beach every evening to watch the sunset. One particular evening, the sky was fiery red with beautiful cirrus clouds, the breeze was warm and gentle -- a perfect night for romance As they sat there, the sheep started to look better and better to the lonely man. Soon, he leaned over to the sheep and put his arm around it. But the sheepdog, ever protective of the sheep, growled fiercely until the man took his arm away from the sheep. After that, the three of them continued to enjoy the sunsets together, but there was no more cuddling, A few weeks passed by and, lo and behold, there was another shipwreck. The only survivor was Hillary Clinton. That evening the man introduced Hillary to the evening sunset ritual. It was another beautiful evening: red sky, cirrus clouds, a warm and gentle breeze -- perfect night for romance. Pretty soon, the man started to get "those feelings" again. He fought the urges as long as he could, but finally gave in and leaned over to Hillary, cautiously, and whispered in her ear... "Would you mind taking the dog for a walk?" _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 08:11:41 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:11:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stranded on a Desert Island Message-ID: Sorry about the OT post, I ticked the wrong send to box. Ed Herreid _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!? Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jan 17 10:20:44 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:20:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stranded on a Desert Island In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, sure! Nyuk, nyuk! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ed Herreid > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:12 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Stranded on a Desert Island > > > > Sorry about the OT post, I ticked the wrong > send to box. > > Ed Herreid From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Jan 17 13:04:03 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:04:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Stranded on a Desert Island In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080118080231.0208bff8@ncable.com.au> Being a story of a small island, sheep and a sheep dog I was antisapating it to be a New Zealand story :-) ....... I wonder how Hillary would like down there? Russell At 03:11 AM 18/01/2008, you wrote: >Sorry about the OT post, I ticked the wrong send to box. > >Ed Herreid >_________________________________________________________________ >Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge >with star power. >http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From cjclem at sysim.net Fri Jan 18 08:40:58 2008 From: cjclem at sysim.net (cjclem at sysim.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:40:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Engine ID ? Message-ID: <20080118114058.6k541adpk4scckkc@s17.sysim.com> Hello list, A person sent me these pics of engine for ID, I do not know so ask for help. I have never saw engine nor do I know physical size or what other parts he has off it? View at this webshot link, 4 pics > http://community.webshots.com/album/562179580TJcbvz Thanks in advance From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 14:21:38 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:21:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Computer gurus In-Reply-To: <478F5A9E.20309@imc-group.com> References: <478F5A9E.20309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801181421k4eb49be8k5cf8a75e7368d33d@mail.gmail.com> On 17/01/2008, Curt wrote: > Computer gurus, > A long long time ago one of you steered me toward the file sort fix for > Windows XP. > This fix forces XP to sort numerical files the way that 98 did. > Anyone recall the fix? Have reloaded a computer OS here and need to > correct this. > Thanks, > Curt Wasn't me, and I am not a computer guru, but I think it is in of the 'Tools' options for 'Folder Viewing'. We use Win2kPro so cannot be more specific. Have replied off list re the Perkins engine. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 18 23:30:00 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:30:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another Toy Message-ID: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred> Hi List, My son & I were told about a small Engine in a Museum about two hours drive from home,we went and checked,offered a LARGE donation,12 days later picked up our little vertical Blackstone hot Bulb Engine. Photos on webshots, now for the next one. David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From johnwidener at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 19 03:32:39 2008 From: johnwidener at sbcglobal.net (John Widener) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:32:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage Message-ID: <002e01c85a8f$00166530$c901a8c0@JOHNS> I would like my homepage about antique engines and old tractors to be added to your Homepage section, Thank You In Advance, Jerry Painter http://www.htcny.com/forum From alharris44 at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 03:50:15 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:50:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <002e01c85a8f$00166530$c901a8c0@JOHNS> References: <002e01c85a8f$00166530$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <4791E3F7.3080406@gmail.com> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I can't see. All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my floppy. Al Harris Clarence Coast New South Wales Australia John Widener wrote: > I would like my homepage about antique engines and old tractors to be added to your Homepage section, Thank You In Advance, Jerry Painter http://www.htcny.com/forum > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnwidener at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 19 04:50:40 2008 From: johnwidener at sbcglobal.net (John Widener) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:50:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <002e01c85a8f$00166530$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <4791E3F7.3080406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004b01c85a99$e6296db0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Sorry about the Jerry Painter thing, its an "inside joke" Sorry, John Widener ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously > naive. > > A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage > that I can't see. > > All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown > Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my > floppy. > > Al Harris > Clarence Coast > New South Wales > Australia > > > John Widener wrote: >> I would like my homepage about antique engines and old tractors to be >> added to your Homepage section, Thank You In Advance, Jerry Painter >> http://www.htcny.com/forum >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnwidener at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 19 05:21:08 2008 From: johnwidener at sbcglobal.net (John Widener) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:21:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage Message-ID: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... > >> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously >> naive. >> >> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage >> that I can't see. >> >> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >> floppy. >> >> Al Harris >> Clarence Coast >> New South Wales >> Australia From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 19 07:25:09 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:25:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit Message-ID: G'day all; From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel making. Can someone shed any more light? http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR TIA, RickinMt. From milo at hughes.net Sat Jan 19 07:50:25 2008 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:50:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c85ab3$085e1b10$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel >Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:25 AM >To: sel >Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit > >G'day all; > From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of >machinery >that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel >making. Can someone shed any more light? > >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR > >TIA, >RickinMt. Looks like some kind of swaging / crimping tool. Peace Milo http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee67/mholroyd/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 19 08:05:28 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:05:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit References: <000001c85ab3$085e1b10$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <001501c85ab5$1c8b22c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Looks like some kind of swaging / crimping tool. With the big gear on the bottom left hooked up to a con rod/crosshead looking affair via an eccentric . Dont look like no rotary drilling table to me . From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 08:11:43 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:11:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160801190811k5ac4c769tb2741a219158edb9@mail.gmail.com> On 19/01/2008, Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery > that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel > making. Can someone shed any more light? > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR > > TIA, > RickinMt. > Hydraulic pipe crimping/swaging jaws by the look of it, albeit a big set! Does that say "Swager" on the side? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 19 08:19:04 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:19:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <479222F8.8050105@scrtc.com> Rick, Yes, it does look like the piece of machinery that is used to bring the barrel staves together when the hoops are put on. We have a cooperage company here in my county that makes barrel's and I've seen something similar (not exactly the same though) at their plant. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Richard Strobel wrote: >G'day all; > From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery >that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel >making. Can someone shed any more light? > >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR > >TIA, >RickinMt. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 19 08:50:28 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:50:28 -0000 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit References: Message-ID: <002701c85abb$670341b0$0dc20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit > G'day all; > From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery > that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel > making. Can someone shed any more light? > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR > > TIA, RickinMt. Hi Rick, can you find out exactly what it says on the side, especially the patent number? Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jmay at new.rr.com Sat Jan 19 09:01:14 2008 From: jmay at new.rr.com (John T. May) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:01:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003c01c85abc$e66613a0$6601a8c0@laptop> And the answer is: US Patent number: 806796 Filing date: Sep 1, 1905 Issue date: Dec 12, 1905 Inventor: William Glader, Chicago Machine for flaring or coning barrel hoops. You can get a copy of the patent by searching here: http://www.google.com/patents -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:25 AM To: sel Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit G'day all; From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel making. Can someone shed any more light? http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR TIA, RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Jan 19 09:15:12 2008 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:15:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gilson Engines. References: <003c01c85abc$e66613a0$6601a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <002401c85abe$da19f740$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Hi John T. May! Did you get your first Gilson engine yet? I have not heard from you in over 5 years now. http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/gilson/000index.html Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: John T. May To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit And the answer is: US Patent number: 806796 Filing date: Sep 1, 1905 Issue date: Dec 12, 1905 Inventor: William Glader, Chicago Machine for flaring or coning barrel hoops. From christison at coastalnet.com Sat Jan 19 09:22:49 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:22:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit Message-ID: <380-220081619172249218@coastalnet.com> Found it! MACHINE FOR FLARING OR CONING BARREL HOOPS US Pat. 806796 - Filed Sep 1, 1905 806796. PATENTED DEC. 12, 1905. W. GLADER. MACHINE FOR FLARING OR CONING BARREL HOOPS. APPLICATION FILED SEPT. 1, 1905. Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Richard Strobel > To: sel > Date: 1/19/2008 10:25:36 AM > Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit > > G'day all; > From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery > that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel > making. Can someone shed any more light? > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR > > TIA, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillFranSC at aol.com Sat Jan 19 11:23:41 2008 From: BillFranSC at aol.com (BillFranSC at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:23:41 EST Subject: [SEL] New Email Address Message-ID: To Whom It May Concern: I have changed my email address! Please remove _billfransc at aol.com_ (mailto:billfransc at aol.com) from your mailing list. My new email address is _BillCUnited at aol.com_ (mailto:BillCUnited at aol.com) Thank you very much! Bill Craft **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jan 19 10:00:37 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:00:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit References: <380-220081619172249218@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: Good for you Ken..will take a look at the patent and forward to the owner as he was asking for additional info. Thanks much Rick Subject: Re: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit > Found it! > > MACHINE FOR FLARING OR CONING BARREL HOOPS > US Pat. 806796 - Filed Sep 1, 1905 > 806796. PATENTED DEC. 12, 1905. W. GLADER. MACHINE FOR FLARING OR CONING > BARREL > HOOPS. APPLICATION FILED SEPT. 1, 1905. > > Take care. > > Ken From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Jan 19 12:29:20 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:29:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit In-Reply-To: References: <380-220081619172249218@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <47925DA0.9080409@scrtc.com> Ken, I thought I had seen something like that at the local cooperage. Its a neat operation to watch. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > >>Found it! >> >>MACHINE FOR FLARING OR CONING BARREL HOOPS >>US Pat. 806796 - Filed Sep 1, 1905 >>806796. PATENTED DEC. 12, 1905. W. GLADER. MACHINE FOR FLARING OR CONING >>BARREL >>HOOPS. APPLICATION FILED SEPT. 1, 1905. >> >>Take care. >> >>Ken >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 19 16:44:52 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:44:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ- Query,Blackstone /Clement Davidson Message-ID: <000901c85afd$abd68e90$e70e693a@fred> Can anyone tell me any site with info.about Clement Davidson engines,these were a copy of Blackstone Engines. Brian in Melb. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jan 19 16:59:54 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:59:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ- Query,Blackstone /Clement Davidson In-Reply-To: <000901c85afd$abd68e90$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: <20080120005938.XOEC26985.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Brian, There have been a couple of articles in TOMM in the last few years. I cannot remember which issue :( Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2008 11:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] OZ- Query,Blackstone /Clement Davidson Can anyone tell me any site with info.about Clement Davidson engines,these were a copy of Blackstone Engines. Brian in Melb. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jan 19 17:00:42 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:00:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another Toy In-Reply-To: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: <20080120010025.XNVF10771.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> A nice pickup guys. Those Blackstone & MV verticals are getting almost common these days ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi List, My son & I were told about a small Engine in a Museum about two hours drive from home,we went and checked,offered a LARGE donation,12 days later picked up our little vertical Blackstone hot Bulb Engine. Photos on webshots, now for the next one. David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 20 01:18:15 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:18:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another Toy In-Reply-To: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred> References: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: <8481B31E2B1644C8A634D4FC1E69EEBC@KerryPC> G'Day Brian Congrats, another fine engine to an impressive collection, well done Kerry > Hi List, > My son & I were told about a small Engine in a Museum about two hours > drive from home,we went and checked,offered a LARGE donation,12 days later > picked up our little vertical Blackstone hot Bulb Engine. Photos on > webshots, now for the next one. > David Watts (03) 87616332 From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 02:03:59 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:03:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Another Toy In-Reply-To: <8481B31E2B1644C8A634D4FC1E69EEBC@KerryPC> References: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred> <8481B31E2B1644C8A634D4FC1E69EEBC@KerryPC> Message-ID: Where abouts is that museum,Brian? John> From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:18:15 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Toy> > G'Day Brian> Congrats, another fine engine to an impressive collection, well done> > Kerry> > > Hi List,> > My son & I were told about a small Engine in a Museum about two hours > > drive from home,we went and checked,offered a LARGE donation,12 days later > > picked up our little vertical Blackstone hot Bulb Engine. Photos on > > webshots, now for the next one.> > David Watts (03) 87616332> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 20 02:32:19 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:32:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another Toy References: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred><8481B31E2B1644C8A634D4FC1E69EEBC@KerryPC> Message-ID: <000401c85b4f$bf22ebe0$e70e693a@fred> Nothing else is ever to be sold after this engine,it was bought by the museum ,everything else was donated or is on loan we tried! brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "john palmer" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Toy > > Where abouts is that museum,Brian? John> From: > ozengine at optusnet.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, > 20 Jan 2008 20:18:15 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Toy> > G'Day Brian> > Congrats, another fine engine to an impressive collection, well done> > > Kerry> > > Hi List,> > My son & I were told about a small Engine in a > Museum about two hours > > drive from home,we went and checked,offered a > LARGE donation,12 days later > > picked up our little vertical Blackstone > hot Bulb Engine. Photos on > > webshots, now for the next one.> > David > Watts (03) 87616332> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: > 19/01/2008 6:37 PM > > From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 04:59:21 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:59:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Another Toy In-Reply-To: <000401c85b4f$bf22ebe0$e70e693a@fred> References: <003d01c85a6d$1ac14cf0$e70e693a@fred><8481B31E2B1644C8A634D4FC1E69EEBC@KerryPC> <000401c85b4f$bf22ebe0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: Just pulling your leg Brian,nice engine. John> From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:32:19 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Toy> > Nothing else is ever to be sold after this engine,it was bought by the > museum ,everything else was donated or is on loan we tried!> brian> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john palmer" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:03 PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Toy> > > >> > Where abouts is that museum,Brian? John> From: > > ozengine at optusnet.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, > > 20 Jan 2008 20:18:15 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another Toy> > G'Day Brian> > > Congrats, another fine engine to an impressive collection, well done> > > > Kerry> > > Hi List,> > My son & I were told about a small Engine in a > > Museum about two hours > > drive from home,we went and checked,offered a > > LARGE donation,12 days later > > picked up our little vertical Blackstone > > hot Bulb Engine. Photos on > > webshots, now for the next one.> > David > > Watts (03) 87616332> > _______________________________________________> > > SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> >> > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: > > 19/01/2008 6:37 PM> >> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 20 10:24:53 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:24:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "On the belt" Whazzit In-Reply-To: <003c01c85abc$e66613a0$6601a8c0@laptop> References: <003c01c85abc$e66613a0$6601a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <1200853493.479391f577d4a@webmail.city-net.com> Damn, THAT was a fun thread!! Thanks y'all!! See ya, Arnie Quoting "John T. May" : > And the answer is: > > US Patent number: 806796 > Filing date: Sep 1, 1905 > Issue date: Dec 12, 1905 > Inventor: William Glader, Chicago > > Machine for flaring or coning barrel hoops. > > You can get a copy of the patent by searching here: > http://www.google.com/patents > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > From Canada, on Harry's Classifieds, comes this whazzit piece of machinery > that went on the belt. Owner thinks it has something to do with barrel > making. Can someone shed any more light? > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2089554310039077051vKGxrR > RickinMt. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 21 01:20:09 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:20:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ.Members,Engine Sales Message-ID: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> Hi, I have a friend who is starting to downsize his Engine collection, they will start going on ebay next week but are available as of now, Austral Portable, Rare Hopper cooled 5Hp.Mag. Start,older restoration. Imperial Pitt 7Hp.portable,Tall base, flyball gov.petrol eng.older restoration. Both engines run well and will be sold. engines are in melbourne. Photos will be available in a few days time. Please contact me of list. briwatt at optusnt.com.au Brian. From George_Best at adp.com Mon Jan 21 07:28:20 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:28:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by other established forums. Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum while ignoring the one Spencer provides. I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. Just my 2 cents. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Widener Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... > >> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >> >> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >> can't see. >> >> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >> floppy. >> >> Al Harris >> Clarence Coast >> New South Wales >> Australia _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From johnwidener at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 21 08:01:31 2008 From: johnwidener at sbcglobal.net (John Widener) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:01:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But that is for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or whatever comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the wagon and don't click. Just my 5 cents... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for > ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support > for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by > other established forums. > > Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. > > For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it > is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum > while ignoring the one Spencer provides. > > I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's > "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. > > Just my 2 cents. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John > Widener > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to > help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't > make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >> >>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>> >>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I > >>> can't see. >>> >>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>> floppy. >>> >>> Al Harris >>> Clarence Coast >>> New South Wales >>> Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Mon Jan 21 09:30:46 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:30:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> I think it's a bad thing too. Take your own five cents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Widener" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But that > is > for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for > others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or > whatever > comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the > wagon > and don't click. Just my 5 cents... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > >> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by >> other established forums. >> >> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >> >> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >> >> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >> >> Just my 2 cents. >> >> George >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >> Widener >> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >> >> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>> >>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>> >>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >> >>>> can't see. >>>> >>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>> floppy. >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> Clarence Coast >>>> New South Wales >>>> Australia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >> confidential. >> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >> attachments >> from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jan 21 10:10:48 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:10:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OZ.Members,Engine Sales In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080121200912.00b96ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 21/01/2008, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:20:09 +1100 >From: "Brian Watts" >Subject: [SEL] OZ.Members,Engine Sales > >Hi, >I have a friend who is starting to downsize his Engine collection, they >will start going on ebay next week but are available as of now, >Austral Portable, Rare Hopper cooled 5Hp.Mag. Start,older restoration. >Imperial Pitt 7Hp.portable,Tall base, flyball gov.petrol eng.older >restoration. >Both engines run well and will be sold. >engines are in melbourne. >Photos will be available in a few days time. >Please contact me of list. briwatt at optusnt.com.au >Brian. I wish I lived in Oz and had lotsa money!! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1234 - Release Date: 20/01/2008 02:15 PM From johnwidener at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 21 10:24:34 2008 From: johnwidener at sbcglobal.net (John Widener) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:24:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> That's all this hobby needs, is people with bad attitudes like you to bring it down. "Another 5 cents worth" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >I think it's a bad thing too. Take your own five cents. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Widener" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > >> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But that >> is >> for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for >> others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or >> whatever >> comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the >> wagon >> and don't click. Just my 5 cents... >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Best, George" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >> >> >>> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >>> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >>> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by >>> other established forums. >>> >>> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >>> >>> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >>> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >>> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >>> >>> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >>> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> George >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >>> Widener >>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>> >>> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >>> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >>> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>>> >>>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>>> >>>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >>> >>>>> can't see. >>>>> >>>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>>> floppy. >>>>> >>>>> Al Harris >>>>> Clarence Coast >>>>> New South Wales >>>>> Australia >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>> confidential. >>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >>> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >>> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >>> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >>> attachments >>> from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Mon Jan 21 10:42:26 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:42:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <008101c85c5d$5f3f5880$6401a8c0@PaulNew> I will support Spencer .. my 2 cents worth Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Widener" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > That's all this hobby needs, is people with bad attitudes like you to > bring > it down. "Another 5 cents worth" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Ernst" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > >>I think it's a bad thing too. Take your own five cents. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Widener" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >> >> >>> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But >>> that >>> is >>> for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for >>> others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or >>> whatever >>> comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the >>> wagon >>> and don't click. Just my 5 cents... >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Best, George" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:28 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>> >>> >>>> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >>>> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >>>> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met >>>> by >>>> other established forums. >>>> >>>> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >>>> >>>> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >>>> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >>>> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >>>> >>>> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >>>> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >>>> >>>> Just my 2 cents. >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >>>> Widener >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>>> >>>> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >>>> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >>>> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>>>> >>>>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>>>> >>>>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >>>> >>>>>> can't see. >>>>>> >>>>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>>>> floppy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Al Harris >>>>>> Clarence Coast >>>>>> New South Wales >>>>>> Australia >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>>> confidential. >>>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >>>> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >>>> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >>>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >>>> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >>>> attachments >>>> from your system. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alharris44 at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 11:05:59 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:05:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ.Members,Engine Sales In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080121200912.00b96ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080121200912.00b96ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4794ED17.2070603@gmail.com> Jerry Evans wrote: > At 07:00 PM 21/01/2008, you wrote: >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:20:09 +1100 >> From: "Brian Watts" >> Subject: [SEL] OZ.Members,Engine Sales >> >> Hi, >> I have a friend who is starting to downsize his Engine collection, they >> will start going on ebay next week but are available as of now, >> Austral Portable, Rare Hopper cooled 5Hp.Mag. Start,older restoration. >> Imperial Pitt 7Hp.portable,Tall base, flyball gov.petrol eng.older >> restoration. >> Both engines run well and will be sold. >> engines are in melbourne. >> Photos will be available in a few days time. >> Please contact me of list. briwatt at optusnt.com.au >> Brian. > > I wish I lived in Oz and had lotsa money!! > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > So do I Jerry. ;-) Al Harris "The Clarence Coast" Australia From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 21 11:25:34 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:25:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <90DE6CDCEE054BAF99813C1E68FD57E5@KerryPC> John you seem to be the one with the bad attitude, George is correct, we already have a website for US to share information for old engines or whatever. thanks for the info on a personal website of a good friend, but no I am happy with what we have. Also to post a header with MY PAGE that is someone else is BS Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > That's all this hobby needs, is people with bad attitudes like you to > bring > it down. "Another 5 cents worth" > > >>I think it's a bad thing too. Take your own five cents. >> >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >> >> >>> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But >>> that >>> is >>> for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for >>> others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or >>> whatever >>> comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the >>> wagon >>> and don't click. Just my 5 cents... >>> >>>> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >>>> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >>>> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met >>>> by >>>> other established forums. >>>> >>>> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >>>> >>>> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >>>> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >>>> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >>>> >>>> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >>>> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >>>> >>>> Just my 2 cents. >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>>> >>>> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >>>> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >>>> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>>>> >>>>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>>>> >>>>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >>>> >>>>>> can't see. >>>>>> >>>>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>>>> floppy. From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jan 21 11:48:21 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:48:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage /Now Spencer's Forum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080121201107.00b98dc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 21/01/2008, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:28:20 -0600 >From: "Best, George" >Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > >The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by >other established forums. > >Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. > >For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >"homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >Just my 2 cents. >George Hi George, (I receive the "Digest" version of the SEL so my comments may be as much as 24 hours out of date!) I'm 100% behind you on all your comments. I'm not a "forum" kinda guy but I did go there and sign up (Spencer's forum that is - not the other one.) I looked at the other one. Spencer posted the news this way on the 19th December: "I figured you folks deserved a present this year - so look under the tree: http://www.atis.net/forums PS: Been busy with life and the project resulting in the link above - charity auction to start soon! Spencer Yost" Now Guys, I read between the lines on that post, (and forgive me, a relative newbie, for giving the rest of you a 'bollocksing' ). Spencer obviously had the idea quite a while back and did a lot of work in the background (as a surprise and gift to SEL members ?) to get that whole lot going and was probably pretty excited when he announced it to the list. What was really disappointing was the very few replies (and "thank you's") he got from this list as well as the very few members registering on the forum. There were not even many replies saying it was or was not a good idea or at least "wishing it luck". O.K. , So I do know that there are other very popular forums out there (I also belong to SMOKSTAK but do not post often ) and I'm not qualified to judge on wether there is place for another forum or not but for goodness sake - at least reply and give your thoughts! My personal preference is not for "Forums" because I just do not have the time to spend on them - as a member still on "dial up" (changing very soon) I prefer the email list, where I can "log on" - download my mail - "log off" and read and answer the mail (I'm a terribly slow 2 finger typist) at my leisure and then "log on" again and send my replies. Having said that, I do spend a lot of time on forums especially on weekends when I have more time and my dial up charges are much reduced. There is much knowledge to be gleaned from them. Now, to get back to this post. Spencer's post was just before Christmas so that gives a whole bunch of you excuses for not replying because you were too busy preparing for the holidays but it does not excuse bad manners! Spencer provides this service to us and we all use and love it at no cost (as does Jim on the Oldengine List and Harry with Smokstak) - Is it really too much trouble to just pen a quick note of thanks for his efforts ??? I'm sure it takes a fair amount of his time as well as $$. C'mon Guys - the SEL is a great list - get your act (and manners) together. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1235 - Release Date: 21/01/2008 09:39 AM From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jan 21 11:59:32 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:59:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com> John, Cabin fever set in? My apologies in advance for not recognizing your name, are you new to the list? There are few individuals on this list who are as long term, level headed, engine knowledgeable, polite, and who have their pulse on the hobby as well as George Best does. George conducts engine tours in Europe and even publishes a hobby writing called the Western Trader as I recall. Saying George has a bad attitude is just ridiculous. My nickels worth. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC John Widener wrote: > That's all this hobby needs, is people with bad attitudes like you to bring > it down. "Another 5 cents worth" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Ernst" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > > >> I think it's a bad thing too. Take your own five cents. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Widener" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> S From George_Best at adp.com Mon Jan 21 12:40:30 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:40:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage /Now Spencer's Forum In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080121201107.00b98dc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080121201107.00b98dc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B14E93@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Jerry, Well said!! I'm hoping that some will take your posting to heart and help get the ATIS forums going. I also appreciate all my mates around the world speaking up on my behalf. Hope to see some of you this year. Might make it to the Portland show in August this year. Also I'm thinking that Neunen would be sure nice to go to again this year! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 11:48 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage /Now Spencer's Forum Hi George, (I receive the "Digest" version of the SEL so my comments may be as much as 24 hours out of date!) I'm 100% behind you on all your comments. I'm not a "forum" kinda guy but I did go there and sign up (Spencer's forum that is - not the other one.) I looked at the other one. Spencer posted the news this way on the 19th December: "I figured you folks deserved a present this year - so look under the tree: http://www.atis.net/forums PS: Been busy with life and the project resulting in the link above - charity auction to start soon! Spencer Yost" Now Guys, I read between the lines on that post, (and forgive me, a relative newbie, for giving the rest of you a 'bollocksing' ). Spencer obviously had the idea quite a while back and did a lot of work in the background (as a surprise and gift to SEL members ?) to get that whole lot going and was probably pretty excited when he announced it to the list. What was really disappointing was the very few replies (and "thank you's") he got from this list as well as the very few members registering on the forum. There were not even many replies saying it was or was not a good idea or at least "wishing it luck". O.K. , So I do know that there are other very popular forums out there (I also belong to SMOKSTAK but do not post often ) and I'm not qualified to judge on wether there is place for another forum or not but for goodness sake - at least reply and give your thoughts! My personal preference is not for "Forums" because I just do not have the time to spend on them - as a member still on "dial up" (changing very soon) I prefer the email list, where I can "log on" - download my mail - "log off" and read and answer the mail (I'm a terribly slow 2 finger typist) at my leisure and then "log on" again and send my replies. Having said that, I do spend a lot of time on forums especially on weekends when I have more time and my dial up charges are much reduced. There is much knowledge to be gleaned from them. Now, to get back to this post. Spencer's post was just before Christmas so that gives a whole bunch of you excuses for not replying because you were too busy preparing for the holidays but it does not excuse bad manners! Spencer provides this service to us and we all use and love it at no cost (as does Jim on the Oldengine List and Harry with Smokstak) - Is it really too much trouble to just pen a quick note of thanks for his efforts ??? I'm sure it takes a fair amount of his time as well as $$. C'mon Guys - the SEL is a great list - get your act (and manners) together. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jan 21 15:26:52 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:26:52 +0800 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_OT=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2ESir_E?= =?windows-1252?q?d_Hillary?= Message-ID: <000501c85c85$1e850920$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Today is the funeral of Sir Edmund Hillary , condolences to our Kiwi mates. Sir Ed was a mountain of a man ,we walk in his shadow. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 21 19:48:22 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:48:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Magazine Message-ID: <001801c85ca9$a3da4bc0$e70e693a@fred> TOMM INDEX Can anyone tell me in which book is the Index for the year 1997? it covers Book No.69 to No.74 David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Jan 21 21:26:33 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:26:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Magazine In-Reply-To: <001801c85ca9$a3da4bc0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: <000201c85cb7$59e2de70$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Dave Just had a look and it doesn't seem as if they did one. Went up to Dec 1998 and found that years. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2008 2:48 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] TOMM Magazine TOMM INDEX Can anyone tell me in which book is the Index for the year 1997? it covers Book No.69 to No.74 David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 30/12/2007 11:27 AM From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jan 22 02:16:41 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:16:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> John You obviously have no idea of the history behind OUR ATIS & Oldengine.org List groups. We DO have engines and sometimes FATG stuff, we have been around for many years, 10 years for me, so why do we need to even bother with anyone else's brain child. Keep your $0.05 and I will raise you $10 to stay with our group, just the way it is Peter, Oz . > This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But that > is > for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for > others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or > whatever > comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the > wagon > and don't click. Just my 5 cents... > > >> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by >> other established forums. >> >> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >> >> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >> >> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >> >> Just my 2 cents. >> >> George >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >> Widener >> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >> >> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>> >>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>> >>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >> >>>> can't see. >>>> >>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>> floppy. >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> Clarence Coast >>>> New South Wales >>>> Australia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >> confidential. >> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >> attachments >> from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From alharris44 at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 02:34:22 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:34:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <4795C6AE.1000600@gmail.com> Oh my gawd! I know the arse has just fallen out of the All Ords Index, but that much. :-( Al, Oz2. Peter Lowe wrote: > John > You obviously have no idea of the history behind OUR ATIS & Oldengine.org > List groups. > We DO have engines and sometimes FATG stuff, we have been around for many > years, 10 years for me, so why do we need to even bother with anyone else's > brain child. > Keep your $0.05 and I will raise you $10 to stay with our group, just the > way it is > Peter, Oz > > > . > > >> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But that >> is >> for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for >> others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or >> whatever >> comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the >> wagon >> and don't click. Just my 5 cents... > >> >>> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >>> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >>> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by >>> other established forums. >>> >>> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >>> >>> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >>> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >>> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >>> >>> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >>> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> George >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >>> Widener >>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>> >>> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >>> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >>> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>>> >>>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >>>>> can't see. >>>>> >>>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>>> floppy. >>>>> >>>>> Al Harris >>>>> Clarence Coast >>>>> New South Wales >>>>> Australia >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>> confidential. >>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >>> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >>> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >>> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >>> attachments >>> from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 22 02:50:59 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:50:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: G'day Oz Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus lamp Thanks Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From bethell at internode.on.net Tue Jan 22 03:11:35 2008 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:11:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: <001401c85ce7$8d9879c0$0201010a@JIM> Kerry Try Associated Kerosene and Oil Lamps of Braidwood regards Jim Bethell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp > G'day Oz > > Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus lamp > > Thanks > > Kerry > > Lithgow NSW Oz > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jan 22 04:08:52 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:08:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080122120845.GIKZ26985.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Try this one: http://www.oillamps.com.au/ or http://melbourne.citysearch.com.au/E/V/MELBO/0054/61/63/ Sands & Co used to have a shop near me but they went a couple of years ago. I am also pretty sure that Rallybadges stocks them as well. http://www.rallybadges.com/ Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2008 9:51 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp G'day Oz Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus lamp Thanks Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 22 06:15:17 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:15:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SEL Mythos References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <002001c85d01$37651120$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > We DO have engines and sometimes FATG stuff, we have been around for many > years, >> And our name is Legion . Remember that guy from Austin tryin to run an electric fuel pump on a brass Rolls ? The stuck lid in the municipal sewer plant was memorable . It healed itself though . There have been really outrageous OT fixes.Somebody do me one better, I havent used enough coffee yet . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From johnwidener at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 22 10:08:03 2008 From: johnwidener at sbcglobal.net (John Widener) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:08:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <004a01c85d21$bbdf0bc0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Well, this email must have worked. It generated allot more new members than I thought it would. So there must be some people other than yourself interested in this other "Brain Child" Site. And I will just keep my 5 cents so I don't have to deal with the ignoramus people who have nothing but negative things to say. And to the people here on the SEL list that have sent me the thank you emails, Your Welcome. To the negative ones, Have fun in the future, with you negative attitudes, it wont get you too far in life. And to the rest of the list that I have never met, I hope you go far in life. I subscribed to this list because of a friend referred me to it. All I see here is allot of people that just want to complain, and cry because the list isn't going so well. Remember, its people like you that give a bad name to this group. Don't bother emailing me or through the list. I have unsubscribed and have my spam filter set. So, if your not in my address book, then don't waste the time to even email me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > John > You obviously have no idea of the history behind OUR ATIS & Oldengine.org > List groups. > We DO have engines and sometimes FATG stuff, we have been around for many > years, 10 years for me, so why do we need to even bother with anyone > else's > brain child. > Keep your $0.05 and I will raise you $10 to stay with our group, just the > way it is > Peter, Oz > > > . > > >> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But that >> is >> for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for >> others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or >> whatever >> comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the >> wagon >> and don't click. Just my 5 cents... > >> >> >>> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >>> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >>> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met by >>> other established forums. >>> >>> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >>> >>> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >>> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >>> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >>> >>> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >>> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> George >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >>> Widener >>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>> >>> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >>> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >>> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>>> >>>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>>> >>>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >>> >>>>> can't see. >>>>> >>>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>>> floppy. >>>>> >>>>> Al Harris >>>>> Clarence Coast >>>>> New South Wales >>>>> Australia >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>> confidential. >>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >>> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >>> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >>> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >>> attachments >>> from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 22 10:26:48 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:26:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> George is one of the old-time rocks. I'd even say George rocks! After running theamcforums.com for a few months, I can say with certainty that we can pretty well tell who the "new" and "old" are (not necessarily age), and even get really close on their age, just by reading a post or two. (good grief, read the posts of our member eaglekammback and tell me his age! you will be correct.) George, I'm not calling you old, just mature. I'm shutting up now! Bill > John, > Cabin fever set in? My apologies in advance for not recognizing your > name, are you new to the list? > > There are few individuals on this list who are as long term, level > headed, engine knowledgeable, polite, and who have their pulse on the > hobby as well as George Best does. George conducts engine tours in > Europe and even publishes a hobby writing called the Western Trader as I > recall. > > Saying George has a bad attitude is just ridiculous. > My nickels worth. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > John Widener wrote: >> That's all this hobby needs, is people with bad attitudes like you to >> bring >> it down. "Another 5 cents worth" >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Ernst" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >> >> >> >>> I think it's a bad thing too. Take your own five cents. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Widener" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> S > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jan 22 10:47:07 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:47:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com> <1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I'm only 60! My engines are all older than me. ;-) We really need to get off the cabin fever posts and get back to our common hobby. I know for some of us this is the cold time of the year and even though I do have wood stove in my shop it takes a long time to heat it up much. Or at least that is my main excuse for not working out there more. I've got a 5hp Aermotor sitting in the shop for at least 5 years now and it probably would only take a few dedicated days of work to get it running. I've got my 1910 5hp Ceres also in the shop and would like to be able to show it this year, but not sure I should work on it when I've got so many other projects in process. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:27 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage George is one of the old-time rocks. I'd even say George rocks! After running theamcforums.com for a few months, I can say with certainty that we can pretty well tell who the "new" and "old" are (not necessarily age), and even get really close on their age, just by reading a post or two. (good grief, read the posts of our member eaglekammback and tell me his age! you will be correct.) George, I'm not calling you old, just mature. I'm shutting up now! Bill This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jan 22 11:43:31 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:43:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage In-Reply-To: <004a01c85d21$bbdf0bc0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> <004a01c85d21$bbdf0bc0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <47964763.8050203@imc-group.com> Don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC John Widener wrote: > Well, this email must have worked. It generated allot more new members than > I thought it would. So there must be some people other than yourself > interested in this other "Brain Child" Site. And I will just keep my 5 > cents so I don't have to deal with the ignoramus people who have nothing but > negative things to say. And to the people here on the SEL list that have > sent me the thank you emails, Your Welcome. To the negative ones, Have fun > in the future, with you negative attitudes, it wont get you too far in life. > And to the rest of the list that I have never met, I hope you go far in > life. I subscribed to this list because of a friend referred me to it. All I > see here is allot of people that just want to complain, and cry because the > list isn't going so well. Remember, its people like you that give a bad name > to this group. Don't bother emailing me or through the list. I have > unsubscribed and have my spam filter set. So, if your not in my address > book, then don't waste the time to even email me. > > From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Jan 22 13:31:51 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:31:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech> <004a01c85d21$bbdf0bc0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> Message-ID: <007201c85d3e$34a2d020$6501a8c0@PaulNew> well I wish him the best, now maybe this mess is put to rest, I am glad he is gone Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Widener" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > Well, this email must have worked. It generated allot more new members > than > I thought it would. So there must be some people other than yourself > interested in this other "Brain Child" Site. And I will just keep my 5 > cents so I don't have to deal with the ignoramus people who have nothing > but > negative things to say. And to the people here on the SEL list that have > sent me the thank you emails, Your Welcome. To the negative ones, Have fun > in the future, with you negative attitudes, it wont get you too far in > life. > And to the rest of the list that I have never met, I hope you go far in > life. I subscribed to this list because of a friend referred me to it. All > I > see here is allot of people that just want to complain, and cry because > the > list isn't going so well. Remember, its people like you that give a bad > name > to this group. Don't bother emailing me or through the list. I have > unsubscribed and have my spam filter set. So, if your not in my address > book, then don't waste the time to even email me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > >> John >> You obviously have no idea of the history behind OUR ATIS & Oldengine.org >> List groups. >> We DO have engines and sometimes FATG stuff, we have been around for many >> years, 10 years for me, so why do we need to even bother with anyone >> else's >> brain child. >> Keep your $0.05 and I will raise you $10 to stay with our group, just the >> way it is >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> . >> >> >>> This is a personal website of a good friend. Yes, it has forums. But >>> that >>> is >>> for the members. This website is free and doesn't cost a thing. Its for >>> others like us to share information for old engines or tractors or >>> whatever >>> comes up. If you "George" think this is a bad thing, then jump off the >>> wagon >>> and don't click. Just my 5 cents... >> >>> >>> >>>> The sad part for me is that Spencer announced the new forums for >>>> ATIS/SEL around Christmas time and there has been little to no support >>>> for the new forums. Some think the forums need was already being met >>>> by >>>> other established forums. >>>> >>>> Now... Someone else comes along and wants us to support their forums. >>>> >>>> For all the work and effort Spencer has done for this group, I think it >>>> is pretty poor way to thank Spencer by supporting another new forum >>>> while ignoring the one Spencer provides. >>>> >>>> I also thought it was a bit misleading to post it as a someone's >>>> "homepage" then finding out it is really a group of discusion forums. >>>> >>>> Just my 2 cents. >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John >>>> Widener >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:21 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage >>>> >>>> The Website is owned by a good friend in New York and im just trying to >>>> help him get the word out.. sorry for any confusion, and no, he doesn't >>>> make house calls to Australia. Have a safe and happy year.... >>>>> >>>>>> Can somebody explain this to me please, I'm new and obviously naive. >>>>>> >>>>>> A post by John Widener, signed by Jerry Painter for a Homepage that I >>>> >>>>>> can't see. >>>>>> >>>>>> All I see is a forum as an adjunct off a website for HomeTown >>>>>> Computers NY who I bet would not make a housecall the clean my >>>>>> floppy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Al Harris >>>>>> Clarence Coast >>>>>> New South Wales >>>>>> Australia >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>>> confidential. >>>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >>>> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >>>> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >>>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >>>> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >>>> attachments >>>> from your system. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Tue Jan 22 14:00:22 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:00:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <018f01c85d42$2fe4d610$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> I'm right in the middle of restoring 2 JD model H's, sold one and am keeping the other. I moved the 2HP Fairbanks T into the shop office and have been looking at it for the past couple of months. It is/was a Jack with no tank, so I'm going to put an old small brass gear pump on the skid, drive it with a flat belt off a a pully inside the flywheel. Been watching the different styles of screen cooled engines such as the IHC verticals, but don't want to be a copy cat. I've got an idea of making a "cooling tower" style with wooden removable slats staggered and stacked atop the others. Will have to get creative and make some sort of valve on the intake side of the pump to control temperature and volume. Gotta stop being a FATG and get to work on it if I'm gonna lug it to Tulare. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > I'm only 60! My engines are all older than me. ;-) > > We really need to get off the cabin fever posts and get back to our > common hobby. > > I know for some of us this is the cold time of the year and even though > I do have wood stove in my shop it takes a long time to heat it up much. > Or at least that is my main excuse for not working out there more. > > I've got a 5hp Aermotor sitting in the shop for at least 5 years now and > it probably would only take a few dedicated days of work to get it > running. > > I've got my 1910 5hp Ceres also in the shop and would like to be able to > show it this year, but not sure I should work on it when I've got so > many other projects in process. > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > bill at antique-engines.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:27 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > George is one of the old-time rocks. > I'd even say George rocks! > > After running theamcforums.com for a few months, I can say with > certainty that we can pretty well tell who the "new" and "old" are (not > necessarily age), and even get really close on their age, just by > reading a post or two. > (good grief, read the posts of our member eaglekammback and tell me his > age! you will be correct.) > > George, I'm not calling you old, just mature. > > I'm shutting up now! > > Bill > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jan 22 14:12:11 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:12:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp> Dibs on the Aeromotor!!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > I'm only 60! My engines are all older than me. ;-) > > We really need to get off the cabin fever posts and get back to our > common hobby. > > I know for some of us this is the cold time of the year and even though > I do have wood stove in my shop it takes a long time to heat it up much. > Or at least that is my main excuse for not working out there more. > > I've got a 5hp Aermotor sitting in the shop for at least 5 years now and > it probably would only take a few dedicated days of work to get it > running. > > I've got my 1910 5hp Ceres also in the shop and would like to be able to > show it this year, but not sure I should work on it when I've got so > many other projects in process. > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > bill at antique-engines.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:27 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > George is one of the old-time rocks. > I'd even say George rocks! > > After running theamcforums.com for a few months, I can say with > certainty that we can pretty well tell who the "new" and "old" are (not > necessarily age), and even get really close on their age, just by > reading a post or two. > (good grief, read the posts of our member eaglekammback and tell me his > age! you will be correct.) > > George, I'm not calling you old, just mature. > > I'm shutting up now! > > Bill > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jan 22 14:35:21 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:35:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage In-Reply-To: <003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Sure Mike! Give me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-) Ted Brookover rebuilt both the ignitor and the Webster on that engine so that makes it expensive! Plus I think my friend Harry might not like it if I sold that engine, plus a few other collectors I know. So I think I'll have it for awhile. George Ps... If you really do have $20k burning a hole in your pocket, I'm sure that Harry and Ted would both understand why I had to sell it :-) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:12 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Aermotor Dibs on the Aeromotor!!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > I've got a 5hp Aermotor sitting in the shop for at least 5 years now and > it probably would only take a few dedicated days of work to get it > running. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 22 18:27:20 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:27:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage--cooling towers References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <018f01c85d42$2fe4d610$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <007901c85d67$7c12ca40$18d34c0c@D48VHZ61> My 2hp IHC vertical has a waterwheel for a cooling tower. The guy that built it did an excellent job on the woodworking. However they mounted it on bearings so you really have to keep the water supply turned down or it will drain the tank in short order. One of these days I'll either switch it over to bushings or rig up some sort of friction disc to keep the speed down. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > I'm right in the middle of restoring 2 JD model H's, sold one and am > keeping > the other. I moved the 2HP Fairbanks T into the shop office and have been > looking at it for the past couple of months. It is/was a Jack with no > tank, > so I'm going to put an old small brass gear pump on the skid, drive it > with > a flat belt off a a pully inside the flywheel. Been watching the > different > styles of screen cooled engines such as the IHC verticals, but don't want > to > be a copy cat. I've got an idea of making a "cooling tower" style with > wooden removable slats staggered and stacked atop the others. Will have to > get creative and make some sort of valve on the intake side of the pump to > control temperature and volume. > Gotta stop being a FATG and get to work on it if I'm gonna lug it to > Tulare. > Dave From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jan 22 19:12:59 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:12:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> It's like that old joke, now that we know it's for sale, we are just haggling about the price!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage > Sure Mike! > > Give me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-) > > Ted Brookover rebuilt both the ignitor and the Webster on that engine so > that makes it expensive! > > Plus I think my friend Harry might not like it if I sold that engine, > plus a few other collectors I know. > > So I think I'll have it for awhile. > > George > > Ps... If you really do have $20k burning a hole in your pocket, I'm sure > that Harry and Ted would both understand why I had to sell it :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Royster > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:12 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Aermotor > > Dibs on the Aeromotor!!!!! > > Mike Royster > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] My Homepage > > > >> I've got a 5hp Aermotor sitting in the shop for at least 5 years now > and >> it probably would only take a few dedicated days of work to get it >> running. > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jan 22 23:46:34 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:46:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] My Homepage References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <000d01c85cdf$e1f4d340$0601a8c0@altech><004a01c85d21$bbdf0bc0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <47964763.8050203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004501c85d94$141d32e0$0601a8c0@altech> Amen Curt Peter, Oz > Don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > John Widener wrote: >> Well, this email must have worked. It generated allot more new members >> than >> I thought it would. So there must be some people other than yourself >> interested in this other "Brain Child" Site. And I will just keep my 5 >> cents so I don't have to deal with the ignoramus people who have nothing >> but >> negative things to say. And to the people here on the SEL list that have >> sent me the thank you emails, Your Welcome. To the negative ones, Have >> fun >> in the future, with you negative attitudes, it wont get you too far in >> life. >> And to the rest of the list that I have never met, I hope you go far in >> life. I subscribed to this list because of a friend referred me to it. >> All I >> see here is allot of people that just want to complain, and cry because >> the >> list isn't going so well. Remember, its people like you that give a bad >> name >> to this group. Don't bother emailing me or through the list. I have >> unsubscribed and have my spam filter set. So, if your not in my address >> book, then don't waste the time to even email me. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Tue Jan 22 23:53:38 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:53:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> Message-ID: <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi Kerry, I have used leather "buckets" from pumps that you can buy in various sizes at a farm supplies and (probably) irrigation supply places. Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp > G'day Oz > > Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus lamp > > Thanks > > Kerry > > Lithgow NSW Oz > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From alharris44 at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 00:26:51 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:26:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> OK I'll bite. What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this instance? And what would these be called? > http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg Al Harris Clarence Coast New South Wales Australia Michael Young wrote: > Hi Kerry, I have used leather "buckets" from pumps that you can buy in > various sizes at a farm supplies and (probably) irrigation supply places. > > Michael Young > 5 Beech Crescent > Orange NSW 2800 > AUSTRALIA > http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" > To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM > Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp > > >> G'day Oz >> >> Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus lamp >> >> Thanks >> >> Kerry >> >> Lithgow NSW Oz >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jan 23 01:52:31 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:52:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003601c85da5$abf18ba0$0601a8c0@altech> I would hazard at a guess Al, the same thing mate. I call them cups. Peter, Oz > OK I'll bite. > > What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this > instance? > > And what would these be called? > >> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg > > Al Harris > Clarence Coast > New South Wales > Australia > > > Michael Young wrote: >> Hi Kerry, I have used leather "buckets" from pumps that you can buy in >> various sizes at a farm supplies and (probably) irrigation supply places. >> >> Michael Young >> 5 Beech Crescent >> Orange NSW 2800 >> AUSTRALIA >> http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerry" >> To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp >> >> >>> G'day Oz >>> >>> Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus >>> lamp >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Kerry >>> >>> Lithgow NSW Oz >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jan 23 02:02:47 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:02:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002b01c85da7$1e9e6dc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> None ......depends what school you went to.I find making my own quite satisfactory ,a bit hard to find the leather. The ones you can buy from hydraulic equipment suppliers are a bit too hard ,in fact much too hard. Possibly get a smart arse response here! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp > OK I'll bite. > > What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this > instance? > > And what would these be called? > >> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg > > Al Harris > Clarence Coast > New South Wales > Australia > > > Michael Young wrote: >> Hi Kerry, I have used leather "buckets" from pumps that you can buy in >> various sizes at a farm supplies and (probably) irrigation supply places. >> >> Michael Young >> 5 Beech Crescent >> Orange NSW 2800 >> AUSTRALIA >> http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerry" >> To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp >> >> >>> G'day Oz >>> >>> Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus >>> lamp >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Kerry >>> >>> Lithgow NSW Oz >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 23 02:11:17 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:11:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <797CB7AB732745E280BF84EF4BD7F307@KerryPC> Thanks everyone for the great feed back, I had a look at Associated Kerosene and Oil Lamps of Braidwood and will contact them tomorrow. http://www.oillamps.com.au/ looks like they have a good range of small buckets or cups that are made for most lamps, some Americans may not know what I am talking about is a kero Primus lamp / stove that was designed to heat the vapourising chamber on a Australian Austral kero engine to start it. Several have asked what is the difference, looks to me as another case of where you are from as to what they are called but may be cups are smaller size than buckets but they are all seals on a piston if that is the case I should have said leather cup. Thanks for all the help will let you all know how I go Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > OK I'll bite. > > What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this > instance? > > And what would these be called? > >> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg > > Al Harris > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jan 23 02:18:00 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:18:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <797CB7AB732745E280BF84EF4BD7F307@KerryPC> Message-ID: <007801c85da9$3bb2f820$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Kerry I also sent them an email with this photo. Peter > Thanks everyone for the great feed back, I had a look at > Associated Kerosene and Oil Lamps of Braidwood and will contact them > tomorrow. > http://www.oillamps.com.au/ > looks like they have a good range of small buckets or cups that are made > for > most lamps, some Americans may not know what I am talking about is a kero > Primus lamp / stove that was designed to heat the vapourising chamber on a > Australian Austral kero engine to start it. > > Several have asked what is the difference, looks to me as another case of > where you are from as to what they are called but may be cups are smaller > size than buckets but they are all seals on a piston if that is the case I > should have said leather cup. > > Thanks for all the help will let you all know how I go > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW Oz > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > > >> OK I'll bite. >> >> What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this >> instance? >> >> And what would these be called? >> >>> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg >> >> Al Harris >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 23 02:34:05 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:34:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <007801c85da9$3bb2f820$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com><797CB7AB732745E280BF84EF4BD7F307@KerryPC> <007801c85da9$3bb2f820$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: G'Day Peter Thanks The size on the Primus lamp is only 17 mm with 6 mm bore, I think most Primus lamps have the same size pump. Al's photos seem the right size "small" Kerry > Hi Kerry > I also sent them an email with this photo. > > Peter > >>> >>>> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg >>> >>> Al Harris From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 23 02:59:02 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:59:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <797CB7AB732745E280BF84EF4BD7F307@KerryPC> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <797CB7AB732745E280BF84EF4BD7F307@KerryPC> Message-ID: <4C141B23A9464B7F91AFFC996B2A2437@KerryPC> G'Day Peter Thanks The size on the Primus lamp is only 17 mm with 6 mm bore, I think most Primus lamps have the same size pump. Al's photos seem the right size "small" Kerry > Hi Kerry > I also sent them an email with this photo. > > Peter > >>> >>>> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg >>> >>> Al Harris From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 23 03:14:26 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:14:26 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <002b01c85da7$1e9e6dc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <002b01c85da7$1e9e6dc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <47972192.5080301@optusnet.com.au> peter ogborne wrote: > None ......depends what school you went to.I find making my own quite > satisfactory ,a bit hard to find the leather. > The ones you can buy from hydraulic equipment suppliers are a bit too hard > ,in fact much too hard. === Always used to be called "pump buckets" in my kneck of the kwoods. (Western Qld) My father used to make them out of the nice thin leather from old boot or shoe tongues, annointed with neatsfoot oil, and shaped round a bit of wood, probably the end of an old broomstick that happened to be the correct diameter. I'm sure he never bought a new one in his life. And the young people of today think they invented "recycling"! Pshw! ( I can say it even if I can't spell it) Jack === From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jan 23 03:24:16 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:24:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp Message-ID: <012320081124.24488.479723E0000CEC1100005FA8219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Kerry, I call them cup leathers and yes I have a very large selection of NOS cup leathers on hand. Call me on SKYPE soon to clarify your actual size mate. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:16:00 +0000 > Thanks everyone for the great feed back, I had a look at > Associated Kerosene and Oil Lamps of Braidwood and will contact them > tomorrow. > http://www.oillamps.com.au/ > looks like they have a good range of small buckets or cups that are made for > most lamps, some Americans may not know what I am talking about is a kero > Primus lamp / stove that was designed to heat the vapourising chamber on a > Australian Austral kero engine to start it. > > Several have asked what is the difference, looks to me as another case of > where you are from as to what they are called but may be cups are smaller > size than buckets but they are all seals on a piston if that is the case I > should have said leather cup. > > Thanks for all the help will let you all know how I go > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW Oz > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > > > > OK I'll bite. > > > > What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this > > instance? > > > > And what would these be called? > > > >> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg > > > > Al Harris > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jan 23 04:15:21 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:15:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> Message-ID: > OK I'll bite. > > What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this > instance? > > And what would these be called? > > > http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg Years ago we called'em "Sucker Washers." I wouldn't doubt that Arnie called'em SUCKer, Squeeze washers as it makes more sense. There was a song many years ago about Desert Pete who kept a bottle of water next to a pump out in the Desert. "Wash yer hands, cool yer feet, but leave the bottle full for others, thank ya kindly Desert Pete. That's all I remember from it, and of course had to do with priming. I wouldn't doubt that the list couldn't find that old song. Hoping your day is warmer than mine!! RickinMt. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 23 04:36:45 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:36:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <797CB7AB732745E280BF84EF4BD7F307@KerryPC> Message-ID: <20080123123637.WGSY16091.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Have you found a way to coat the lamp with black, sticky oil just like the engine? ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Thanks everyone for the great feed back, I had a look at Associated Kerosene and Oil Lamps of Braidwood and will contact them tomorrow. http://www.oillamps.com.au/ looks like they have a good range of small buckets or cups that are made for most lamps, some Americans may not know what I am talking about is a kero Primus lamp / stove that was designed to heat the vapourising chamber on a Australian Austral kero engine to start it. Several have asked what is the difference, looks to me as another case of where you are from as to what they are called but may be cups are smaller size than buckets but they are all seals on a piston if that is the case I should have said leather cup. Thanks for all the help will let you all know how I go Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jan 23 07:38:47 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:38:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Years ago there were a couple of tractor collectors that I knew. The one collector had some tractors that today would be very expensive ones to buy and were still pretty valuable when this story took place. The second collector asked the first one if he'd sell him a couple of the tractors. The first collector didn't really want to sell so he said, "Sure, I'll sell them for $xx,xxxx!" which was a lot more than he thought anyone would pay. To his amazement, the second collector whipped out his checkbook and bought them! I was hoping that $20k was outrageous enough that even with the Royster oil fortune, you wouldn't take me up on my offer ;-) So here's a question for the group to answer: Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high price and had the buyer accept your price? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage It's like that old joke, now that we know it's for sale, we are just haggling about the price!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage > Sure Mike! > > Give me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-) This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Jan 23 08:12:19 2008 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:12:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor Message-ID: I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast cabinet. I am used to seeing 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. How do I connect this motor to a standard household box? here is the motor that I want to use. http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2008012310074489&item=10-1010&catname=electric _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 08:28:32 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:28:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <782109.2855.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No, but I wish they had. 8>)) However,,,, A couple years ago at an engine show I saw a guy that was selling some stuff and displaying other stuff,,,, He had a very nice Clipper flat belt lacer sitting on top of two boxes and one crate. I had been wanting one for several years so I asked him if it was for sale. He said, "No, But if I was going to sell it, that would be an expensive one. There are three boxes of lacing there with it. I would have to ask fifty dollars for all that." Of course he hardly got the words out of his mouth before I was holding out a $50.00 bill and saying I'd take it. 8>)) He stopped and I could see his wheels turning,,,, I held it out a little further and when he reached out and took it I had a hard time keeping from jumping in the air. The lacing was worth more than I paid for the whole thing. Turned out there even was a smaller Clipper lacer in there that you use by clamping it in a vise. Then he told me he only brought that to the show because someone had asked him to lace a belt for them. Just then that very guy walked up with a nice little 4" belt that needed lacing. I was nice enough to loan Joe my new Clipper belt lacer. 8>)) Joe told me he still had another one at home. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan "Best, George" wrote: Years ago there were a couple of tractor collectors that I knew. The one collector had some tractors that today would be very expensive ones to buy and were still pretty valuable when this story took place. The second collector asked the first one if he'd sell him a couple of the tractors. The first collector didn't really want to sell so he said, "Sure, I'll sell them for $xx,xxxx!" which was a lot more than he thought anyone would pay. To his amazement, the second collector whipped out his checkbook and bought them! I was hoping that $20k was outrageous enough that even with the Royster oil fortune, you wouldn't take me up on my offer ;-) So here's a question for the group to answer: Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high price and had the buyer accept your price? George --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jan 23 08:34:29 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:34:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47976C95.7050408@imc-group.com> Andy, Connect it to the 220v and it will run just fine. You will be over voltage by a mere 6%. You can reduce the heater protection by 5% (208/220) as it will pull 95% of the nameplate current, but not really necessary. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Andy Glines wrote: > I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast cabinet. I am used to seeing 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. How do I connect this motor to a standard household box? > > here is the motor that I want to use. > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2008012310074489&item=10-1010&catname=electric > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jan 23 08:45:19 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:45:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <47976F1F.3080708@imc-group.com> George, Many many years ago I took a 1960 MGA to its first antique car show after finishing a 7 year restoration on it. A neurosurgeon was parked beside me and asked what I wanted for it. I named a then insane amount of money for it figuring I would run him off. Same story, he whipped out his checkbook and wrote me a deposit. He came up the following weekend w/ trailer and paid me in full. Yeah it was a little tough seeing it go down the road, but I bought a nice 21' Cobalt boat with the funds, and truthfully we've enjoyed the boat more thru the years that we ever would have the MGA. Here is a photo: Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Best, George wrote: > Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high > price and had the buyer accept your price? > > George > > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jan 23 09:06:23 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:06:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <47976F1F.3080708@imc-group.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47976F1F.3080708@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B6854E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Wow! You did a great job restoring that MGA. Will be interesting to see how well you do on the Willys. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell George, Many many years ago I took a 1960 MGA to its first antique car show after finishing a 7 year restoration on it. A neurosurgeon was parked beside me and asked what I wanted for it. I named a then insane amount of money for it figuring I would run him off. Same story, he whipped out his checkbook and wrote me a deposit. He came up the following weekend w/ trailer and paid me in full. Yeah it was a little tough seeing it go down the road, but I bought a nice 21' Cobalt boat with the funds, and truthfully we've enjoyed the boat more thru the years that we ever would have the MGA. Here is a photo: Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Best, George wrote: > Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very > high price and had the buyer accept your price? > > George > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From shop at cccomm.net Wed Jan 23 09:07:01 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:07:01 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor References: Message-ID: <023801c85de2$5ee70690$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Just wire it as you would any 220 volt motor. Line1, line 2, neutral and separate ground. Dave E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: "stationary engine" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: [SEL] 208V motor > > I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast cabinet. I am used to seeing > 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. How do I connect this motor to a > standard household box? > > here is the motor that I want to use. > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2008012310074489&item=10-1010&catname=electric > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 23 09:20:12 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:20:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BB4F780-FDE6-47C3-99E8-7690232322F4@alltel.net> That motor will work just fine. Connect it and turn the switch on! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 23, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Andy Glines wrote: > > I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast cabinet. I am used to > seeing 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. How do I connect > this motor to a standard household box? > > here is the motor that I want to use. > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp? > UID=2008012310074489&item=10-1010&catname=electric > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge > with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx? > icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jan 23 09:20:23 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:20:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <47976F1F.3080708@imc-group.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47976F1F.3080708@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <47977757.4000507@scrtc.com> George, I had a very nice Geiser engine, 6 HP, sideshaft, all original (the most original paint I've ever seen on a Geiser engine), portable, etc., etc. I took it to a show and a guy I know bugged me about buying it. I know the guy and knew he wasn't very serious. So, bang, I hit him with a price. He said "OK, I'll take it". He walks over to another fella and then comes back over to me with the money. The gent with the cash didn't know me and was interested in the engine. He knew the other guy and asked him to get a price from me and if it wasn't over X dollars, then buy it. So, I "accidently" sold my baby. Live and learn. If you really don't want to get rid of something, don't put a price on it period! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >George, >Many many years ago I took a 1960 MGA to its first antique car show >after finishing a 7 year restoration on it. A neurosurgeon was parked >beside me and asked what I wanted for it. I named a then insane amount >of money for it figuring I would run him off. Same story, he whipped out >his checkbook and wrote me a deposit. He came up the following weekend >w/ trailer and paid me in full. Yeah it was a little tough seeing it go >down the road, but I bought a nice 21' Cobalt boat with the funds, and >truthfully we've enjoyed the boat more thru the years that we ever would >have the MGA. >Here is a photo: > >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >Best, George wrote: > > >>Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high >>price and had the buyer accept your price? >> >>George >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 10:25:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:25:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160801231025i2c94b0eex25bdaab3078edde8@mail.gmail.com> On 23/01/2008, Andy Glines wrote: > > I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast cabinet. I am used to seeing 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. How do I connect this motor to a standard household box? > > here is the motor that I want to use. > Should be fine, 208V is the phase to phase voltage of a 3-phase STAR connected supply that has 110V phase to neutral, so it was probably previously connected to a 3-phase supply, across two phases and no neutral. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From blcksmth at wcnet.org Wed Jan 23 10:53:34 2008 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:53:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <002401c85df1$4420c940$3464a8c0@Eagle> There was a fellow who came to almost every gun show back in the 60's and had on display 2 1875 Remington revolvers in a glass case. He did not want to sell them but enjoyed having them for display. At one show someone was admiring the revolvers and asked if they were for sale, to which he replied "no". The gentleman asked him to put a price on them and he kept him at bay for quite a while, but the admirer persisted. Finally the owner figured he would put an end to the whole procedure and said OK, $1200.00. At that point the admirer pulled his hand out of his pocket, peeled off 12 $100 bills, laid them on the table and walked off with the revolvers. Don't put a price on something you do not want to sell. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell Years ago there were a couple of tractor collectors that I knew. The one collector had some tractors that today would be very expensive ones to buy and were still pretty valuable when this story took place. The second collector asked the first one if he'd sell him a couple of the tractors. The first collector didn't really want to sell so he said, "Sure, I'll sell them for $xx,xxxx!" which was a lot more than he thought anyone would pay. To his amazement, the second collector whipped out his checkbook and bought them! I was hoping that $20k was outrageous enough that even with the Royster oil fortune, you wouldn't take me up on my offer ;-) So here's a question for the group to answer: Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high price and had the buyer accept your price? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage It's like that old joke, now that we know it's for sale, we are just haggling about the price!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage > Sure Mike! > > Give me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-) This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Jan 23 10:14:47 2008 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:14:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > 27. Re: 208V motor (Curt)> From: Curt > Subject: Re: [SEL] 208V motor> Andy,> Connect it to the 220v and it will run just fine. You will be over > voltage by a mere 6%. You can reduce the heater protection by 5% > (208/220) as it will pull 95% of the nameplate current, but not really > necessary.> Curt Holland> Gastonia, NC> > > Andy Glines wrote:> > I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast cabinet. I am used to seeing 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. How do I connect this motor to a standard household box?> > > > here is the motor that I want to use.> > > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2008012310074489&item=10-1010&catname=electric> > The motors that I am familiar with have two hot wires and a neutral. The wiring instructions with this motor show hooking up two hot only. There is no neutral???? The name plate does indicate that it is a 1ph motor. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Jan 23 12:27:25 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:27:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George: I've never had that happen but..........I have had a few aw-shoot moments when I was buying something and offered way less than the seller was asking, figuring that with a little haggling, I could get it for a decent price. The aw-shoot came when the offer accepted. Shoulda offered even less! Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 09:39 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > ......................snip................................. > > So here's a question for the group to answer: > > Have you ever offered something you didn't want > to sell for a very high > price and had the buyer accept your price? > > George From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jan 23 11:53:52 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:53:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47979B50.8030604@scrtc.com> Elden, There was a gent near me who had a real nice Domestic engine. All the collectors knew he had it but nobody seemed to be able to buy it. I had never tried and one day I stopped by his place. After looking at the engine I asked him if he'd sell it. "No it ain't for sale" he said "I'll always hang on to it". As I turned to get in my truck I said "I'd give you $200 for it". He said "well, it ain't for sale but I ain't no fool, give me your money". Seems as if everyone had tried to buy it but no one ever made him an offer. When he said "it ain't for sale" they would just walk off. You never know till you try. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Elden DuRand wrote: >George: > >I've never had that happen but..........I have had a few aw-shoot moments when I was buying something and offered way less than the seller was asking, figuring that with a little haggling, I could get it for a decent price. The aw-shoot came when the offer accepted. Shoulda offered even less! > >Take care - Elden >edurand at mchsi.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Best, >>George >>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 09:39 AM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell >> >> >> >......................snip................................. > > >>So here's a question for the group to answer: >> >>Have you ever offered something you didn't want >>to sell for a very high >>price and had the buyer accept your price? >> >>George >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jan 23 11:51:37 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:51:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor References: Message-ID: Andy..look again at the spec sheet as it says 1-phase...also click on the "wiring". I don't see any reason why you can't hook an earth ground to the case of the motor. Good Luck, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 208V motor > > > 27. Re: 208V motor (Curt)> From: Curt > Subject: Re: > > [SEL] 208V motor> Andy,> Connect it to the 220v and it will run just > > fine. You will be over > voltage by a mere 6%. You can reduce the heater > > protection by 5% > (208/220) as it will pull 95% of the nameplate > > current, but not really > necessary.> Curt Holland> Gastonia, NC> > > > > Andy Glines wrote:> > I have a 208V 1 phase motor for my sandblast > > cabinet. I am used to seeing 220/240V 1 ph but this 208 is new to me. > > How do I connect this motor to a standard household box?> > > > here is > > the motor that I want to use.> > > > > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2008012310074489&item=10-1010&catname=electric> > > The motors that I am familiar with have two hot wires and a neutral. The > wiring instructions with this motor show hooking up two hot only. There > is no neutral???? The name plate does indicate that it is a 1ph motor. > _________________________________________________________________ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 23 12:32:39 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:32:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20080123203231.VTO14070.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> In 1979 we were at a Vintage & Veteran car rally in Western Australia with my Father's 1928 Ford AR Station Wagon. http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/Graphics/Woody.JPG A gentleman we knew to be a multi-millionaire wanted to desperately buy the car. He handed over a blank cheque and said 'write your own figure on it!' Dad politely said 'no, it is not for sale'. The Station Wagon was his pride and joy and we still have the car. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jan 23 12:56:53 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:56:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20080123203231.VTO14070.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080123203231.VTO14070.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <4797AA15.8080200@imc-group.com> Patrick, I know where one of these is, if there is interest. Curt Holland Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > In 1979 we were at a Vintage & Veteran car rally in Western Australia with > my Father's 1928 Ford AR Station Wagon. > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/Graphics/Woody.JPG > > A gentleman we knew to be a multi-millionaire wanted to desperately buy the > car. He handed over a blank cheque and said 'write your own figure on it!' > Dad politely said 'no, it is not for sale'. The Station Wagon was his pride > and joy and we still have the car. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Jan 23 14:26:30 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:26:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20080123203231.VTO14070.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Patrick: I think I woulda done writ $500,000 on the check and, after going to the bank with, would have escorted him to the courthouse to transfer it. THEN, I woulda gone out and bought another one for less than 1/10th of that. Woulda had most of the money and an AR! I also coulda lied and said that the replacement was the "family heirloom". :-) Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 02:33 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > > > In 1979 we were at a Vintage & Veteran car rally > in Western Australia with > my Father's 1928 Ford AR Station Wagon. > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/Graphics/Woody.JPG > > A gentleman we knew to be a multi-millionaire > wanted to desperately buy the > car. He handed over a blank cheque and said > 'write your own figure on it!' > Dad politely said 'no, it is not for sale'. The > Station Wagon was his pride > and joy and we still have the car. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Jan 23 13:30:30 2008 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:30:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <47977757.4000507@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200801232130.m0NLUZVF089236@mail-gw.fsr.net> I have a story with a slightly different slant. One of my acquaintances was always bragging about how well off he was. He would go to auctions and say loud enough for everyone in the township to hear, "We'll see who has the biggest checkbook, today!" Well, he took a liking to one of my engines and was always trying to buy it from me. Since it was one of my favorites, I wouldn't consider selling. One day when he had a fair sized audience he loudly proclaimed, "Orrin, I'll give you THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS for that engine!" That was about six times what it was worth. I figured he was just blowing smoke. By that time he probably had me figured for turning down that amount. Furthermore, I didn't want to embarrass the guy by saying "Yes." But, it would have been fun listening to him sputter and back-pedal if I had. :-) I'll never know for sure if Bob would have stood behind his offer; he's pushing up daisies, now. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:20 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell Snip If you really don't want to get rid of something, don't put a price on it period! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 23 13:55:20 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:55:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Good thread George, I guess this would qualify as an offer to buy. At our home show a a few years back a "wannabe collector" came around asking everyone showing if they had any engines for sale and announced he had $2000 to spend do you think he could find anything to buy for that. You know, everyone attending a show asks where can I buy one. Most were polite and said no and did not take him seriously. Eventually one of the old timers said "Sure that one there is for sale for $1000". And sold him a relatively common running engine for what most would consider valued at 1/3 of that price. The rest of the story is that after that he became hooked and became a member of the club and continued buying engines everywhere they could be found and currently has a collection most would envy. Some were bought at above market value and some below. Goes to show you that the value is whatever someone is willing to pay for it on that particular day. Ed Herreid BTW George, What is the status of that New Holland engine you were remorsing about buying a while back. > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:38:47 -0600> From: George_Best at adp.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell> > Years ago there were a couple of tractor collectors that I knew. The> one collector had some tractors that today would be very expensive ones> to buy and were still pretty valuable when this story took place.> > The second collector asked the first one if he'd sell him a couple of> the tractors.> > The first collector didn't really want to sell so he said, "Sure, I'll> sell them for $xx,xxxx!" which was a lot more than he thought anyone> would pay.> > To his amazement, the second collector whipped out his checkbook and> bought them!> > I was hoping that $20k was outrageous enough that even with the Royster> oil fortune, you wouldn't take me up on my offer ;-)> > So here's a question for the group to answer:> > Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high> price and had the buyer accept your price?> > George> > -----Original Message-----> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike> Royster> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM> To: The SEL email discussion list> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage> > It's like that old joke, now that we know it's for sale, we are just> haggling about the price!!!!> > Mike> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:35 PM> Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage> > > > Sure Mike!> >> > Give me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-)> > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Wed Jan 23 14:18:24 2008 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:18:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <47979B50.8030604@scrtc.com> References: <47979B50.8030604@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002201c85e0d$df148970$1402a8c0@Waynexp> Tommy, Your Domestic story reminds me of Clyde Schurman. Clyde had a couple IHC single cylinder tractors that I and others had tried for years to buy. Clyde would listen to you try and figure away to get him to sell the tractors and in the end would say that he didn't want to sell. I had tried for 12 plus years to buy the 20 HP Titan Model D with every trick I could think of. Then one day I and a friend went up to visit Clyde and take him to lunch. I had an old wore out crumpled up brown paper bag filled with cash that I took with me. We visited for about an hour with the bag on the table. He had no idea what was in it but kept looking at the bag out of the corner of his eye. Finally we decided to go get lunch and were putting on our coats when Clyde asked what was in the bag. I picked up the bag and told him that I knew he did not want to sell the IHC Tractor but if he ever changed his mind that I was the first phone number he needed to call. I dumped the money out on the table and said this is to show you that I am serious! Clyde got real sober and asked how much was there. I told him that he needed to count it to find out. After he stared at it for awhile he and his wife counted the pile. He started in that he didn't want to sell the tractor. My friend asked him why he didn't want to sell, saying that I would be a good caretaker. He looked at Julius and told him "I said I didn't want to sell the tractor...I never said I wouldn't sell the tractor." At that point we shook hands and went to lunch. When we came back he wanted to find the book that went with the 20 HP Titan Model D so we took a trip to the basement. While looking he ran into the book for the 20 HP IHC Type B 2 Speed and gave it to me to look at, while he continued to look for the other book. When I was finished looking I handed it back to him at which point he said I needed to keep it as he was not going to split the 2 tractors up and I needed to buy the other one. A payment program was set up and the rest is history! There were other engines that I had purchased over the years from Clyde that no one else could buy. Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] spam: Re: Didn't want to sell Elden, There was a gent near me who had a real nice Domestic engine. All the collectors knew he had it but nobody seemed to be able to buy it. I had never tried and one day I stopped by his place. After looking at the engine I asked him if he'd sell it. "No it ain't for sale" he said "I'll always hang on to it". As I turned to get in my truck I said "I'd give you $200 for it". He said "well, it ain't for sale but I ain't no fool, give me your money". Seems as if everyone had tried to buy it but no one ever made him an offer. When he said "it ain't for sale" they would just walk off. You never know till you try. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Elden DuRand wrote: >George: > >I've never had that happen but..........I have had a few aw-shoot moments when I was buying something and offered way less than the seller was asking, figuring that with a little haggling, I could get it for a decent price. The aw-shoot came when the offer accepted. Shoulda offered even less! > >Take care - Elden >edurand at mchsi.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Best, >>George >>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 09:39 AM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell >> >> >> >......................snip................................. > > >>So here's a question for the group to answer: >> >>Have you ever offered something you didn't want >>to sell for a very high >>price and had the buyer accept your price? >> >>George >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jan 23 14:24:57 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:24:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B95CAE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Ed, I still regret buying it and still have it. It's a fine engine, but given the choice of having the money back or keeping the engine, I'd rather have the money. Just keeping it is always an option as they are not a common engine out here in the western states. Haven't decided yet, but I may try putting it on eBay later if I drive back to Portland and could deliver it to a buyer. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Herreid ---snip---- Ed Herreid BTW George, What is the status of that New Holland engine you were remorsing about buying a while back. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From shop at cccomm.net Wed Jan 23 14:27:26 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:27:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <027701c85e0f$22611fd0$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> At a hardware store parking lot in SoCal I once had a guy that wanted to swap his new cadillac for my 1930 model A pickup.....I'm still driving the pickup, dents and all. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Herreid" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > > Good thread George, > > I guess this would qualify as an offer to buy. > > At our home show a a few years back a "wannabe collector" came around > asking everyone showing if they had any engines for sale and announced he > had $2000 to spend do you think he could find anything to buy for that. > You know, everyone attending a show asks where can I buy one. Most were > polite and said no and did not take him seriously. Eventually one of the > old timers said "Sure that one there is for sale for $1000". And sold him > a relatively common running engine for what most would consider valued at > 1/3 of that price. > > The rest of the story is that after that he became hooked and became a > member of the club and continued buying engines everywhere they could be > found and currently has a collection most would envy. Some were bought at > above market value and some below. Goes to show you that the value is > whatever someone is willing to pay for it on that particular day. > > Ed Herreid > > BTW George, What is the status of that New Holland engine you were > remorsing about buying a while back. > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 > 09:38:47 -0600> From: George_Best at adp.com> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell> > > Years ago there were a couple of tractor collectors that I knew. The> one > collector had some tractors that today would be very expensive ones> to > buy and were still pretty valuable when this story took place.> > The > second collector asked the first one if he'd sell him a couple of> the > tractors.> > The first collector didn't really want to sell so he said, > "Sure, I'll> sell them for $xx,xxxx!" which was a lot more than he thought > anyone> would pay.> > To his amazement, the second collector whipped out > his checkbook and> bought them!> > I was hoping that $20k was outrageous > enough that even with the Royster> oil fortune, you wouldn't take me up on > my offer ;-)> > So here's a question for the group to answer:> > Have you > ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high> price and > had the buyer accept your price?> > George> > -----Original Message-----> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike> > Royster> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM> To: The SEL email > discussion list> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage> > It's like > that old joke, now that we know it's for sale, we are just> haggling about > the price!!!!> > Mike> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Best, George" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:35 > PM> Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage> > > > Sure Mike!> >> > Give > me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-)> > > This > message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee > and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 15:15:12 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:15:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell --- THANKS GEORGE !!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <336697.2311.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks George, This is a great topic. Keep 'em coming folks. BTW,,, Speaking about great engine buying/selling deals,,,, Sorry if I butcher this name,, Does anyone have a copy of the email that Sheelin Prinzinger wrote about how her husband bought an engine with just two words? I lost that email when my WebTv email got dumped. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jan 23 16:21:29 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:21:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell --- THANKS GEORGE !!! In-Reply-To: <336697.2311.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <336697.2311.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4797DA09.3020200@scrtc.com> Sorry this is so long. I've told this story before but for some of our newer members, here it is again. A good friend of mine (now gone) O.B. Malloy of TX, used to travel the country side hunting for old iron. He would stop at stores, barbershops and other places and would leave a calling card. He stopped once at a store and went to a table where some gents were sitting. He asked them if they knew where there were any old engines like the one on his card. One of the gents said yes, he had worked a construction job in west TX and had to pick up some items at one of the local worker's home and saw an old engine the guy had in his barn. OB asked if he knew the person's name and the guy said he didn't but would call OB and let him know. About a week later the guy called OB and gave him a name and phone number. OB called the guy one evening, who lived about 400 miles away, and said he heard the guy had an old engine. The guy said yes, he did and he recently dragged it out of the barn and it was now sitting behind his shop. OB asked if the guy wanted to sell it. Yes he did. How much OB asked? $100 the guy told him. OB asked if the guy knew what kind of engine it was. The guy said he didn't but it had a brass tag on it and if OB would call back in 15 minutes he could tell OB what it said. OB called back and the guy said "It says Springfield Gas Engine, Type A, 4 HP". The guy asked if OB was still interested. OB said yes. The guy told him to stop by the next time he was in far west TX and if he still had the engine OB could look at it. OB hung up and told his wife he was headed to west TX. The next morning when the guy walked out of his house, OB was sitting in his driveway. OB told him he was the guy who had chatted with him the night before. The guy showed OB the engine and then told OB that if OB had driven all night to get the engine, he knew it was worth a lot more than $100. He told OB he would need to do some research on what the engine was actually worth and and would decide on a price. He told OB he would have the first chance to purchase it. OB was distraught. He asked the guy repeatedly to sell him the engine and the guy told him he would in due time. OB finally asked the guy to please put a price on it as OB had drive all this way to see it. The guy said $500. OB knew that if he jumped and said OK the guy would probably run him off. OB said he got in his truck and told the guy thanks but the engine just wasn't worth that to him. OB said he could feel the sweat popping out on his forehead as he put the truck in reverse. He backed up about 50 feet and the guy hollered and said "what would you give". OB pulled back up and told him $300. The guy said no but he would split it at $400. OB hum hawed around for about 30 minutes and finally agreed to the price. OB told me this story shortly after he got the engine. Its still owned by a collector in TX. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alan Bowen wrote: >Thanks George, >This is a great topic. > >Keep 'em coming folks. > > > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jan 23 17:53:14 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:53:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47976F1F.3080708@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00c501c85e2b$e23dba40$726f4b47@mikecomp> If we can get Steve to part with his share of "the Royster Oil fortune" I will bring a sack of money for that Aeromotor!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > George, > Many many years ago I took a 1960 MGA to its first antique car show > after finishing a 7 year restoration on it. A neurosurgeon was parked > beside me and asked what I wanted for it. I named a then insane amount > of money for it figuring I would run him off. Same story, he whipped out > his checkbook and wrote me a deposit. He came up the following weekend > w/ trailer and paid me in full. Yeah it was a little tough seeing it go > down the road, but I bought a nice 21' Cobalt boat with the funds, and > truthfully we've enjoyed the boat more thru the years that we ever would > have the MGA. > Here is a photo: > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Best, George wrote: >> Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high >> price and had the buyer accept your price? >> >> George >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Wed Jan 23 19:17:44 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:17:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <00c501c85e2b$e23dba40$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <20080123221744.PGGV0.392754.root@fepweb03> After high school I started gathering parts to build my 57 Chevy. I ended up with 2 Muncie 4 speeds. Offered one to a guy for $150, he asked about the other. I told him I was keeping that one for my car. He kept offering more money, got to $300, I wouldn't sell, he never bought the other one. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From JR504 at aol.com Wed Jan 23 20:18:22 2008 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:18:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell Message-ID: We had a couple of guys stop by to buy our '59 DeSoto. 43,000 Original Miles. It was not for sale. The same guys showed up a couple of days later, with a tow truck, and quickly made off with it. It was never recovered. I'd love to have that car today. Joe In a message dated 1/23/2008 11:45:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: George, Many many years ago I took a 1960 MGA to its first antique car show after finishing a 7 year restoration on it. A neurosurgeon was parked beside me and asked what I wanted for it. I named a then insane amount of money for it figuring I would run him off. Same story, he whipped out his checkbook and wrote me a deposit. He came up the following weekend w/ trailer and paid me in full. Yeah it was a little tough seeing it go down the road, but I bought a nice 21' Cobalt boat with the funds, and truthfully we've enjoyed the boat more thru the years that we ever would have the MGA. Here is a photo: Curt Holland Gastonia, NC "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" Henry Ford **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From kimmell at verizon.net Wed Jan 23 20:44:51 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:44:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <002401c85df1$4420c940$3464a8c0@Eagle> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com> <1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <002401c85df1$4420c940$3464a8c0@Eagle> Message-ID: <0JV4002CPSJB46E2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> A couple years ago I bought a 1978 Chevy Impala out of the local trader paper. On the way home, I stopped at a gas station to get lunch. I had forgotten to take the FOR SALE sign out of the back window and a couple "homies" pulled up in another '78 just like it and asked how much I was selling it for. Just as a joke, I said "$1500" and quicker than shit he counted out 15 $100 bills. Not bad, considering I had just paid $300 for it an hour earlier...... -- Tony Kimmell Bloomington, IL From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Wed Jan 23 21:13:26 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:13:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS> <4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002401c85df1$4420c940$3464a8c0@Eagle> <0JV4002CPSJB46E2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <002f01c85e47$e0f59920$6b75a8c0@PaulLaptop> Best one so far :)))) Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell >A couple years ago I bought a 1978 Chevy Impala out of the local > trader paper. On the way home, I stopped at a gas station to get > lunch. I had forgotten to take the FOR SALE sign out of the back > window and a couple "homies" pulled up in another '78 just like it > and asked how much I was selling it for. Just as a joke, I said > "$1500" and quicker than shit he counted out 15 $100 bills. > > Not bad, considering I had just paid $300 for it an hour earlier...... > > -- > Tony Kimmell > Bloomington, IL > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 23 22:12:21 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:12:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080124061211.JCUU28642.oaamta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Dad spent 9 years (and the parts from 17 cars) restoring the Station Wagon so it meant a lot to him. It is still the only AR Station Wagon in Australia so getting together another one would have been a challenge. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2008 9:27 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell Patrick: I think I woulda done writ $500,000 on the check and, after going to the bank with, would have escorted him to the courthouse to transfer it. THEN, I woulda gone out and bought another one for less than 1/10th of that. Woulda had most of the money and an AR! I also coulda lied and said that the replacement was the "family heirloom". :-) Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 02:33 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > > > In 1979 we were at a Vintage & Veteran car rally > in Western Australia with > my Father's 1928 Ford AR Station Wagon. > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/Graphics/Woody.JPG > > A gentleman we knew to be a multi-millionaire > wanted to desperately buy the > car. He handed over a blank cheque and said > 'write your own figure on it!' > Dad politely said 'no, it is not for sale'. The > Station Wagon was his pride > and joy and we still have the car. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 23 22:23:59 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:23:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <20080123123637.WGSY16091.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080123123637.WGSY16091.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <81EBAC330FF14A2DAE0E5B2FC1E12A9C@KerryPC> G'Day Patrick My engine is not "Sticky" Brock wipped it all off with his shirt > Have you found a way to coat the lamp with black, sticky oil just like the > engine? ;) Kerry From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jan 23 22:32:46 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:32:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Rick here you go mate: I was travellin' West a buckskin on my way to a cattle run Cross a little cactus desert under a hot blisterin' sun I was thirsty down to my toenails, stopped to rest me on a stump But I tell ya I just couldn't believe it when I saw that water pump I took it to be a mirage at first, it'll fool a thirsty man Then I saw a note stuck in a bakin' powder can "This pump is old", the note began, "but she works so give'r a try" "I put a new sucker washer in 'er, you may find the leather dry" "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" "Yeah, you'll have to prime the pump, work that handle like there's a fire" "Under that rock you'll find some water I left in a bitters jar" "Now there's just enough to prime it with so dontcha go drinkin' first" "You just pour it in and pump like mad, buddy, you'll quench your thirst" "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" Well I found that jar and I tell ya nothin' was ever prettier to my eye And I was tempted strong to drink it, cuz that pump looked mighty dry But the note went on "have faith my friend, there's water down below" "You got to give until you get-I'm the one who ought to know" So I poured in the jar and I started pumpin' and I heard a beautiful sound Of water bubblin' and splashin' up outta that hole in the ground I took off my shoes and I drunk my fill of that cool refreshing treat I thank the Lord and thank the pump and I thank old Desert Pete "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" >> OK I'll bite. >> >> What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this >> instance? >> >> And what would these be called? >> >> > http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg > > Years ago we called'em "Sucker Washers." I wouldn't doubt that Arnie > called'em SUCKer, Squeeze washers as it makes more sense. > > There was a song many years ago about Desert Pete who kept a bottle of > water next to a pump out in the Desert. > > "Wash yer hands, cool yer feet, but leave the bottle full for others, > thank ya kindly Desert Pete. That's all I remember from it, and of course > had to do with priming. > > I wouldn't doubt that the list couldn't find that old song. > > Hoping your day is warmer than mine!! > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Jan 23 22:12:37 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:12:37 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <002b01c85da7$1e9e6dc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <027c01c85e5b$5d09b010$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter i collect old kerosine gear and many of the washers have perished would be happy to make up new washers if you could give me some tips on how to make up new ones . The local pump merchant will make them up if i send the parts in but would rather make my own as i have various models that need different cup/bucket washers the other thing that may be of interest is that they also make copper head gaskets for engines/pumps for those that may be needing them esp older machines so worth conrtacting these guys you will be surprised what they can make in the gasket line brent rth kl regards brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp > None ......depends what school you went to.I find making my own quite > satisfactory ,a bit hard to find the leather. > The ones you can buy from hydraulic equipment suppliers are a bit too hard > ,in fact much too hard. > Possibly get a smart arse response here! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp > > > > OK I'll bite. > > > > What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this > > instance? > > > > And what would these be called? > > > >> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg > > > > Al Harris > > Clarence Coast > > New South Wales > > Australia > > > > > > Michael Young wrote: > >> Hi Kerry, I have used leather "buckets" from pumps that you can buy in > >> various sizes at a farm supplies and (probably) irrigation supply places. > >> > >> Michael Young > >> 5 Beech Crescent > >> Orange NSW 2800 > >> AUSTRALIA > >> http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Kerry" > >> To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM > >> Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp > >> > >> > >>> G'day Oz > >>> > >>> Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus > >>> lamp > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Kerry > >>> > >>> Lithgow NSW Oz > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Jan 23 22:21:06 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:21:06 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203> <4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <002b01c85da7$1e9e6dc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <47972192.5080301@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <027e01c85e5b$63b91d10$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Jack good suggestion i did try that but the washer didnt set worked temporarily then lost its shape so am happy to try maybe thicker leather would prefer to make own if i can. brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Watson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp > peter ogborne wrote: > > None ......depends what school you went to.I find making my own quite > > satisfactory ,a bit hard to find the leather. > > The ones you can buy from hydraulic equipment suppliers are a bit too hard > > ,in fact much too hard. > === > Always used to be called "pump buckets" in my kneck of the kwoods. > (Western Qld) > > My father used to make them out of the nice thin leather from old boot > or shoe tongues, annointed with neatsfoot oil, and shaped round a bit of > wood, probably the end of an old broomstick that happened to be the > correct diameter. I'm sure he never bought a new one in his life. > > And the young people of today think they invented "recycling"! Pshw! ( I > can say it even if I can't spell it) > > Jack > === > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From alharris44 at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 23:40:16 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:40:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <479840E0.8070400@gmail.com> Modern version. I'm to old and sore of rump, To prime and hump a bloody pump. So off I go to search the dump, To resurrect a windmill pump. I'll fit a leather bucket or cup, The water, for to SUCK'er up. A self-primer too, pretty shrewd, Ya hav'ta be buddy, mate, pal, dude. Cause ya just can't trust every man, To leave primin' water in the can. Al Harris Clarence Coast New South Wales Australia Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Rick > > here you go mate: > > I was travellin' West a buckskin on my way to a cattle run > Cross a little cactus desert under a hot blisterin' sun > I was thirsty down to my toenails, stopped to rest me on a stump > But I tell ya I just couldn't believe it when I saw that water pump > I took it to be a mirage at first, it'll fool a thirsty man > Then I saw a note stuck in a bakin' powder can > "This pump is old", the note began, "but she works so give'r a try" > "I put a new sucker washer in 'er, you may find the leather dry" > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > "Yeah, you'll have to prime the pump, work that handle like there's a fire" > "Under that rock you'll find some water I left in a bitters jar" > "Now there's just enough to prime it with so dontcha go drinkin' first" > "You just pour it in and pump like mad, buddy, you'll quench your thirst" > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > Well I found that jar and I tell ya nothin' was ever prettier to my eye > And I was tempted strong to drink it, cuz that pump looked mighty dry > But the note went on "have faith my friend, there's water down below" > "You got to give until you get-I'm the one who ought to know" > So I poured in the jar and I started pumpin' and I heard a beautiful sound > Of water bubblin' and splashin' up outta that hole in the ground > I took off my shoes and I drunk my fill of that cool refreshing treat > I thank the Lord and thank the pump and I thank old Desert Pete > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > >>> OK I'll bite. >>> >>> What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this >>> instance? >>> >>> And what would these be called? >>> >>>> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg >> Years ago we called'em "Sucker Washers." I wouldn't doubt that Arnie >> called'em SUCKer, Squeeze washers as it makes more sense. >> >> There was a song many years ago about Desert Pete who kept a bottle of >> water next to a pump out in the Desert. >> >> "Wash yer hands, cool yer feet, but leave the bottle full for others, >> thank ya kindly Desert Pete. That's all I remember from it, and of course >> had to do with priming. >> >> I wouldn't doubt that the list couldn't find that old song. >> >> Hoping your day is warmer than mine!! >> >> RickinMt. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Jan 24 01:28:58 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:28:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <003601c85da5$abf18ba0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001801c85e6b$8c9955f0$0301a8c0@Young1203> yep - the sameMichael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp >I would hazard at a guess Al, the same thing mate. > I call them cups. > Peter, Oz > > > > > >> OK I'll bite. >> >> What is the difference between a "bucket" and a "cup" in this >> instance? >> >> And what would these be called? >> >>> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/bucket_cup.jpg >> >> Al Harris >> Clarence Coast >> New South Wales >> Australia >> >> >> Michael Young wrote: >>> Hi Kerry, I have used leather "buckets" from pumps that you can buy in >>> various sizes at a farm supplies and (probably) irrigation supply >>> places. >>> >>> Michael Young >>> 5 Beech Crescent >>> Orange NSW 2800 >>> AUSTRALIA >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kerry" >>> To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp >>> >>> >>>> G'day Oz >>>> >>>> Anyone know where I could get a new leather pump bucket for a Primus >>>> lamp >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Kerry >>>> >>>> Lithgow NSW Oz >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Jan 24 02:54:20 2008 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:54:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <20080123123637.WGSY16091.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <81EBAC330FF14A2DAE0E5B2FC1E12A9C@KerryPC> Message-ID: <003a01c85e77$79cf5850$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> G'Day Kerry It is sticky, I know. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp > G'Day Patrick > > My engine is not "Sticky" > Brock wipped it all off with his shirt > > >> Have you found a way to coat the lamp with black, sticky oil just like >> the >> engine? ;) > > > > Kerry > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jan 24 02:53:29 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:53:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: Thanks Peter..that be the one. Kingston Trio is all I found. Al, I like yours also. Re: the sucker washer, on my blowtorches, I do exactly what Jerry stated. This is another place a hole punch comes in handy. I try not to use motor oils on the leather and either go with Neatsfoot or vegetable oil. As the guy on the radio says; "Grab yer tools, you can do this stuff." :-) Regards, Rickinthefrozennorth > Hi Rick > > here you go mate: > > I was travellin' West a buckskin on my way to a cattle run > Cross a little cactus desert under a hot blisterin' sun > I was thirsty down to my toenails, stopped to rest me on a stump > But I tell ya I just couldn't believe it when I saw that water pump > I took it to be a mirage at first, it'll fool a thirsty man > Then I saw a note stuck in a bakin' powder can > "This pump is old", the note began, "but she works so give'r a try" > "I put a new sucker washer in 'er, you may find the leather dry" > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > "Yeah, you'll have to prime the pump, work that handle like there's a > fire" > "Under that rock you'll find some water I left in a bitters jar" > "Now there's just enough to prime it with so dontcha go drinkin' first" > "You just pour it in and pump like mad, buddy, you'll quench your thirst" > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > Well I found that jar and I tell ya nothin' was ever prettier to my eye > And I was tempted strong to drink it, cuz that pump looked mighty dry > But the note went on "have faith my friend, there's water down below" > "You got to give until you get-I'm the one who ought to know" > So I poured in the jar and I started pumpin' and I heard a beautiful sound > Of water bubblin' and splashin' up outta that hole in the ground > I took off my shoes and I drunk my fill of that cool refreshing treat > I thank the Lord and thank the pump and I thank old Desert Pete > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You kindly, Desert Pete" > From alharris44 at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 04:12:34 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:12:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <479880B2.5010400@gmail.com> > http://www.unf.edu/public/cot3210/ree/kingston.desert.pete.mp3 Here ya go Rick. Al Harris Richard Strobel wrote: > Thanks Peter..that be the one. Kingston Trio is all I found. Al, I like > yours also. From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jan 24 06:37:50 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:37:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: Peter: Neat lyrics! I try to live my life that way. After looking for it for years, I found the Kingston Trio album with "Desert Pete" on it. After I got it at a flea market, I discovered that there were two records in the sleeve. The bad news is that, even though the records were new, there was very high surface noise on them, leading me to believe that either they were defective from the pressing plant or were counterfeits. At least, now I've got the song. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:33 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp > > "You've got to prime the pump, you must have > faith and believe" > "You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're > worthy to receive" > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your > face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You > kindly, Desert Pete" > > "Drink all the water you can hold, wash your > face, cool your feet" > "Leave the bottle full for others, Thank You > kindly, Desert Pete" From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jan 24 08:37:56 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:37:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O/T Desert Pete References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> <479880B2.5010400@gmail.com> Message-ID: By golly if that download didn't work Al. I had the chorus down but was lost on the other. Another good song that's locked in my head now is: "Reverand Mr. Black," possibly by the Kingston Trio also. I truly miss those good ole ballads by the Trio, New Christy Minstrels and such. Any of you folks got a favorite out there? Well back to some snowplowin'..Ka ching, Ka ching ya know. Thanks very much Al!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rick > > http://www.unf.edu/public/cot3210/ree/kingston.desert.pete.mp3 > > Here ya go Rick. > > Al Harris From alharris44 at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 11:24:42 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:24:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] O/T Desert Pete In-Reply-To: References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> <479880B2.5010400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4798E5FA.4000300@gmail.com> Hey. We're mending levees and ploughing dust Down Under here. Do you Google? 'cause mate, I got chores to do too. :-P > http://music.ronet.ru/kingston/kingston_trio-reverend_mr_black.mp3 BTW "Turn Around" and "Tom Dooley" are their most remembered by moi. Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW Australia Richard Strobel wrote: > By golly if that download didn't work Al. I had the chorus down but was > lost on the other. Another good song that's locked in my head now is: > "Reverand Mr. Black," possibly by the Kingston Trio also. I truly miss > those good ole ballads by the Trio, New Christy Minstrels and such. Any of > you folks got a favorite out there? > > Well back to some snowplowin'..Ka ching, Ka ching ya know. > > Thanks very much Al!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Rick > > > > >>> http://www.unf.edu/public/cot3210/ree/kingston.desert.pete.mp3 >> Here ya go Rick. >> >> Al Harris > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jan 24 18:59:14 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:59:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp In-Reply-To: <479840E0.8070400@gmail.com> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> <479840E0.8070400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201229954.479950821ac2c@webmail.city-net.com> BLOODY AWESOME!! Well done Al!! Quoting Al Harris : > Modern version. > > I'm to old and sore of rump, > To prime and hump a bloody pump. > So off I go to search the dump, > To resurrect a windmill pump. > I'll fit a leather bucket or cup, > The water, for to SUCK'er up. > A self-primer too, pretty shrewd, > Ya hav'ta be buddy, mate, pal, dude. > Cause ya just can't trust every man, > To leave primin' water in the can. > > Al Harris > Clarence Coast > New South Wales > Australia From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Jan 24 19:45:49 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:45:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell Message-ID: <20080125034557.92334584CD@gw1.nlenet.net> My wife and I left a bible study and drove down a back road we had never been on before. We passed a piece of land so beautiful we stopped and stared. I remembered my dad saying a realtor told him 1/3 of all homes and land are for sale if you just ask. My wife thought I had lost it but I wrote down the name on the posted sign and looked it up in the phone book. A woman answered, and when I asked for the man she asked why. I told her that I saw the land and thought I would check to see if it might be for sale. There was a long pause and she said The owner was my husband, he died yesterday. I apologized and told her I had no idea but given the circumstances I was sorry I called and said goodbye. She asked if I would like to leave my name and I said no, I was out of line and would just go away. She said it was clear I didn't know and go ahead and leave my name. A few weeks later we settled on a price and made a private deal and I bought it. The following spring I was mowing the lawn and a man stopped and asked me who I was, I told him and he asked why I was mowing THIS lawn. I told him because it was mine and it needed it. He said I called that man every spring and offered to buy this land and he said he would never sell it as long as he was alive. I replied He died We live there now. Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jan 24 20:09:13 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:09:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O/T Desert Pete In-Reply-To: References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> <479880B2.5010400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201234153.479960e9e6cd0@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rick, I'm kinda partial to "The Sky Above, The Mud Below". So far all I can find are the lyrics, not a version being sung. 8-(( http://www.wylieww.com/hooves/skyabove.htm See ya, Arnie Quoting Richard Strobel : > By golly if that download didn't work Al. I had the chorus down but was > lost on the other. Another good song that's locked in my head now is: > "Reverand Mr. Black," possibly by the Kingston Trio also. I truly miss > those good ole ballads by the Trio, New Christy Minstrels and such. Any of > you folks got a favorite out there? From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jan 24 20:12:19 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:12:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Deasert Pete In-Reply-To: <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002101c85c0e$d2acd9e0$e70e693a@fred> <002b01c85d95$1111f940$0301a8c0@Young1203><4796FA4B.10807@gmail.com> <001201c85e53$4884fa30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <1201234339.479961a3049e7@webmail.city-net.com> Bloody hell!! How does an Aussie end up being familiar with the Kingston Trio and Deasert Pete???? See ya, Arnie Quoting Peter Lowe : > I was travellin' West a buckskin on my way to a cattle run > Cross a little cactus desert under a hot blisterin' sun > I was thirsty down to my toenails, stopped to rest me on a stump From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jan 24 22:36:07 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:36:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell References: <20080125034557.92334584CD@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <001801c85f1d$5d648c20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi Frank. That is a great story. Our tale is similar. We used to own 8 acres, that we bought when we moved here from Tasmania. Our kids, (and their friends,) grew up with space to play and do bike things, etc. When they moved out, we looked for a smaller place. After seeing countless properties, We happened on this place we now live. It was totally unlike what we were'Looking for', but, it was 'Right'! We have lived here longer than any other home. It is still 'as good as it gets'. I aim to leave here 'Feet First'. No 'View', nothing special, but, it IS MY HOME! Hey, Who is lucky?? ME! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > My wife and I left a bible study and drove down a back road we had > never been on before. We passed a piece of land so beautiful we > stopped and stared. I remembered my dad saying a realtor told him > 1/3 of all homes and land are for sale if you just ask. My wife > thought I had lost it but I wrote down the name on the posted sign > and looked it up in the phone book. A woman answered, and when I > asked for the man she asked why. I told her that I saw the land and > thought I would check to see if it might be for sale. There was a > long pause and she said The owner was my husband, he died > yesterday. I apologized and told her I had no idea but given the > circumstances I was sorry I called and said goodbye. She asked if I > would like to leave my name and I said no, I was out of line and > would just go away. She said it was clear I didn't know and go ahead > and leave my name. A few weeks later we settled on a price and made > a private deal and I bought it. The following spring I was mowing > the lawn and a man stopped and asked me who I was, I told him and he > asked why I was mowing THIS lawn. I told him because it was mine and > it needed it. He said I called that man every spring and offered to > buy this land and he said he would never sell it as long as he was > alive. I replied He died > > We live there now. > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Jan 25 02:11:31 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:11:31 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell References: <20080125034557.92334584CD@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <00dc01c85f3a$a8f74b60$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Frank amazing story i enjoyed reading it good things happen to good people thanks brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > My wife and I left a bible study and drove down a back road we had > never been on before. We passed a piece of land so beautiful we > stopped and stared. I remembered my dad saying a realtor told him > 1/3 of all homes and land are for sale if you just ask. My wife > thought I had lost it but I wrote down the name on the posted sign > and looked it up in the phone book. A woman answered, and when I > asked for the man she asked why. I told her that I saw the land and > thought I would check to see if it might be for sale. There was a > long pause and she said The owner was my husband, he died > yesterday. I apologized and told her I had no idea but given the > circumstances I was sorry I called and said goodbye. She asked if I > would like to leave my name and I said no, I was out of line and > would just go away. She said it was clear I didn't know and go ahead > and leave my name. A few weeks later we settled on a price and made > a private deal and I bought it. The following spring I was mowing > the lawn and a man stopped and asked me who I was, I told him and he > asked why I was mowing THIS lawn. I told him because it was mine and > it needed it. He said I called that man every spring and offered to > buy this land and he said he would never sell it as long as he was > alive. I replied He died > > We live there now. > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From brock at netspeed.com.au Fri Jan 25 05:04:01 2008 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:04:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral lamp Message-ID: <4799de41.3e2.3149.576882848@netspeed.com.au> yeah i know ,,,,, good old Austral if you are clean 10 mins with a austral are covered in shit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral lamp Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:23:59 +1100 > G'Day Patrick > > My engine is not "Sticky" > Brock wipped it all off with his shirt > > > > Have you found a way to coat the lamp with black, sticky > > oil just like the engine? ;) > > > > Kerry > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 25 10:19:47 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:19:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Does anyone have a manual for a Ransomes MG2 Motor Garden Cultivator. (Please don't refer me to my own download page the manual there is for the MG5) This is the small tracked garden tractor made by Ransomes from around 1936. It was powered by a Sturmey Archer 6H.P. air cooled engine. In 1938 they changed the engine to an improved Sturmey Archer engine (most noticeable difference was the Wipac Impulse magneto). It is this model I'm looking for a manual or help for. My mate, Justin (no internet) has been given one that is pretty rusted and has not run for 30+ years! He is busy stripping it but needs help on the centrifugal clutch between the engine and gearbox. This is so badly corroded that he would like to find a drawing or photo of the internals before he tries to get it apart - just so that he can see what it looks like before using force :-). The tractor is a really nice example of these and the MG2 is fairly uncommon. The serial number of his is MG 404 which is a pretty early model considering that the eventual production of these was about 30,000 machines. This was probably made just before the 2nd World War and was probably one of a batch shipped out here - I do not think that any would have been shipped here again until after the war. Justin gives me a lot of help with all my restorations so I'd be very happy if I could find this information for him. Thanks in advance Guys. If anyone here belongs to any of the tractor lists or forums (I don't) would you mind copying this over to them. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 25/01/2008 11:24 AM From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Jan 25 10:48:59 2008 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:48:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <20080125034557.92334584CD@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080125034557.92334584CD@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <479A2F1B.5030908@fidnet.com> Frank, Our story is similar. In 1986 we were looking for property with friend who is a real estate broker. After showing us several properties he said "I want to show you a 1,000 Acre property that I have listed. The owner has steadfastly refused to sell off smaller parts of it." We liked it and made an offer on the part we wanted. It was refused so we made an offer on a larger piece and the owner accepted. We then sold off the part that we didn't want. We found out later that the banker was pushing for interest payments on his loan, and that his partners in a new venture caught him with his hand in the till and kindly explained what would happen to him if the money were not replaced by the end of the month. The rest of the ranch was on the market for a long time. We were the only ones to buy a piece of it. We held the property for 15 yrs until we could retire on it. We have been living here nearly 7 years. Sometimes you just have to ask. Life is good! Gary Frank DeWitt wrote: > My wife and I left a bible study and drove down a back road we had > never been on before. We passed a piece of land so beautiful we > stopped and stared. I remembered my dad saying a realtor told him > 1/3 of all homes and land are for sale if you just ask. My wife > thought I had lost it but I wrote down the name on the posted sign > and looked it up in the phone book. A woman answered, and when I > asked for the man she asked why. I told her that I saw the land and > thought I would check to see if it might be for sale. There was a > long pause and she said The owner was my husband, he died > yesterday. I apologized and told her I had no idea but given the > circumstances I was sorry I called and said goodbye. She asked if I > would like to leave my name and I said no, I was out of line and > would just go away. She said it was clear I didn't know and go ahead > and leave my name. A few weeks later we settled on a price and made > a private deal and I bought it. The following spring I was mowing > the lawn and a man stopped and asked me who I was, I told him and he > asked why I was mowing THIS lawn. I told him because it was mine and > it needed it. He said I called that man every spring and offered to > buy this land and he said he would never sell it as long as he was > alive. I replied He died > > We live there now. > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From nick at holden1.net Fri Jan 25 12:10:05 2008 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:10:05 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <479A421D.000001.04132@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Jerry Have just put it on the tractor list Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Jerry Evans Date: 01/25/08 18:26:45 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. Hi All, Does anyone have a manual for a Ransomes MG2 Motor Garden Cultivator. (Please don't refer me to my own download page the manual there is for the MG5) This is the small tracked garden tractor made by Ransomes from around 1936. It was powered by a Sturmey Archer 6H.P. air cooled engine. In 1938 they changed the engine to an improved Sturmey Archer engine (most noticeable difference was the Wipac Impulse magneto). It is this model I'm looking for a manual or help for. My mate, Justin (no internet) has been given one that is pretty rusted and has not run for 30+ years! He is busy stripping it but needs help on the centrifugal clutch between the engine and gearbox. This is so badly corroded that he would like to find a drawing or photo of the internals before he tries to get it apart - just so that he can see what it looks like before using force :-). The tractor is a really nice example of these and the MG2 is fairly uncommon. The serial number of his is MG 404 which is a pretty early model considering that the eventual production of these was about 30,000 machines. This was probably made just before the 2nd World War and was probably one of a batch shipped out here - I do not think that any would have been shipped here again until after the war. Justin gives me a lot of help with all my restorations so I'd be very happy if I could find this information for him. Thanks in advance Guys. If anyone here belongs to any of the tractor lists or forums (I don't) would you mind copying this over to them. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 25/01/2008 11:24 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 25/01/2008 11:24 . From weolson at wiktel.com Fri Jan 25 12:16:56 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:16:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 208V motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <745606869.20080125141656@wiktel.com> Hello Richard, Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 1:51:37 PM, you wrote: RS> Andy..look again at the spec sheet as it says 1-phase...also click on the RS> "wiring". I don't see any reason why you can't hook an earth ground to the RS> case of the motor. RS> Good Luck, RS> RickinMt. RS> ----- Original Message ----- RS> From: "Andy Glines" RS> To: RS> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:14 AM RS> Subject: Re: [SEL] 208V motor RS> _______________________________________________ RS> SEL mailing list RS> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com RS> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel For everyone's safety sake, and legally, you must have a seperate earth ground the case of the motor when running from utility power. -- Best regards, William, Master Electrician mailto:weolson at wiktel.com From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 13:39:27 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:39:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell Message-ID: "I aim to leave here 'Feet First'.No 'View', nothing special, but, it IS MY HOME!Hey, Who is lucky?? ME!Reg & Marg Ingold.Newcastle, NSW, Australia.randmingold at hotkey.net.auhttp://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold" Reg, ain't it amazing there are so many ways to look at what constitutes "home". After 30 years in the place I thought I'd be buried from, it just wasn't the same. The city had come out around us and it just wasn't fun anymore, no critters, no quiet, no stars at night. The way we got it now, if we don't like the view - we hitch and git. Yes, It'll get old someday, or I won't be able. Then we'll settle. We're looking at a good offer here in Texas, but not sure we're ready to quit yet - so we won't. The object was to look all over the country for the right place to drop anchor. If we're lucky, maybe we won't find one! Meantime - the journey is the destination.Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Jan 25 16:43:00 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:43:00 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <005c01c85fb4$6823d570$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Jerry cool i also do up old mowers just recently picked up a nice ransome mower with a crank start with a villier style moter one suggestion is to use electrolysis on the rusted parts as long as there is no alloy it will help to separate the parts i have done this with with extremely fragile parts on an old sewing machine made 1895 with excellent results all working again at least you can then salvage whats left or dissassemble to use as templates on replacement parts this has worked on other seriously seized metal parts that i ouldnt have dissassembled otherwise and the beauty is it is very quick and vertually harmless compared to other options washing soda or lye both work well brent nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. > Hi All, > Does anyone have a manual for a Ransomes MG2 Motor Garden > Cultivator. (Please don't refer me to my own download page the > manual there is for the MG5) > > This is the small tracked garden tractor made by Ransomes from > around 1936. It was powered by a Sturmey Archer 6H.P. air cooled engine. In > 1938 they changed the engine to an improved Sturmey Archer engine (most > noticeable difference was the Wipac Impulse magneto). It is this model I'm > looking for a manual or help for. > > My mate, Justin (no internet) has been given one that is pretty > rusted and has not run for 30+ years! He is busy stripping it but needs > help on the centrifugal clutch between the engine and gearbox. This is so > badly corroded that he would like to find a drawing or photo of the > internals before he tries to get it apart - just so that he can see what it > looks like before using force :-). > > The tractor is a really nice example of these and the MG2 is > fairly uncommon. The serial number of his is MG 404 which is a pretty > early model considering that the eventual production of these was about > 30,000 machines. This was probably made just before the 2nd World War and > was probably one of a batch shipped out here - I do not think that any > would have been shipped here again until after the war. > > Justin gives me a lot of help with all my restorations so I'd be > very happy if I could find this information for him. Thanks in advance Guys. > > If anyone here belongs to any of the tractor lists or forums (I > don't) would you mind copying this over to them. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 25/01/2008 11:24 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 25 17:07:01 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:07:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <005c01c85fb4$6823d570$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <005c01c85fb7$c2994e60$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> crank start with a villier style moter one suggestion is to use > electrolysis on the rusted parts as long as there is no alloy >>> Alloys are OK , reversing polarity is the big no-no From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jan 25 17:56:17 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:56:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. In-Reply-To: <005c01c85fb7$c2994e60$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <005c01c85fb4$6823d570$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <005c01c85fb7$c2994e60$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <93EB274B-EA8A-40ED-997D-03DC921FE834@rustyiron.com> On Jan 25, 2008, at 5:07 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Alloys are OK , reversing polarity is the big no-no Armadillo puckey, senior! http://engines.rustyiron.com/electrolysis From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Jan 25 18:15:48 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:15:48 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <005c01c85fb4$6823d570$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <005c01c85fb7$c2994e60$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <001701c85fc1$5efbdb70$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Chuck thanks for your comment for those wondering what is reverse polarity made me think myself when you mentioned it so when derusting something you have a positive and negative terminal or otherwise known as an anode or a cathode the negative is the terminal that removes the rust so that is the terminal you hook up to what you are derusting and the cathode is the terminal that receives the rust and sacrifices good metal to replace the rusted metal..so reverse polarity is where the alloy is sacrificed for the rusted metal. terminals are back to front .main thing to know is the negative terminal is the terminal to put the article that you wish to be derusted not the other way around .Although in saying that you can effectively use reverse polarity to creat patina on old metal if you wish to make the metal look older semi rusty etc believe it or not people do this mainly nuts and bolts if replacing as a new bolt doesnt look authentic on an old engine hope you dont mind me expanding on the subject for those that may be interested. As i am interested in old machinery am very keen to learn of methods of derusting i think i have used most of them now but electrolysis is one of the best options as it cleans removes paint and rust quickly all at the same time if you wish to keep the paint use a mollasas bath as it has no effect on paint important if you wish to keep things original just takes longer and better than sandblasting if the metal is thin.. brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. > > crank start with a villier style moter one suggestion is to use > > electrolysis on the rusted parts as long as there is no alloy >>> > > > Alloys are OK , reversing polarity is the big no-no > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Jan 25 18:17:01 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:17:01 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080125201654.00b99260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <005c01c85fb4$6823d570$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> <005c01c85fb7$c2994e60$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <93EB274B-EA8A-40ED-997D-03DC921FE834@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <001d01c85fc1$924c9b40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Rob you bet me to the draw on that one brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ransomes MG2 Help needed please. > On Jan 25, 2008, at 5:07 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > > Alloys are OK , reversing polarity is the big no-no > > Armadillo puckey, senior! > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/electrolysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From kimmell at verizon.net Fri Jan 25 21:41:54 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:41:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0JV800EELL2X8656@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> That's what's happening to a lot of people here in the Bloomington/Normal area. The Twin Cities are growing so fast that farmhouses are now in the middle of neighborhoods. I lived in the same house in Normal from birth until I moved out at 19. Used to be right on the edge of town. I'm now 25 and it's about 3 MILES to the city limits from that house. It's insane how fast this city is growing. But with all the big businesses that are based here like State Farm, Country Companies, Mitsubishi, Beer Nuts, etc. it's understandable why it's growing so much. Not to mention Illinois State University and Illinois Wesleyan University are also here. My wife and I now live in a quiet older subdivision here in Bloomington and it's a love hate relationship with me and the city. On one hand I'd rather own a piece of land out in the middle of nowhere with a big shop where I can do what I want, but on the other hand it's nice only having to drive a mere 3 miles to work from here. One of these days I'll find my dream home on 10+ acres out in the country, but for now my projects will have to remain confined to the 2 car attached garage... -- Tony Kimmell Bloomington, IL At 03:39 PM 1/25/2008, Bruce Younger wrote: >After 30 years in the place I thought I'd be buried from, it just >wasn't the same. The city had come out around us and it just wasn't >fun anymore, no critters, no quiet, no stars at night. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jan 26 11:31:24 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:31:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Off topic - but a good read Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080126212953.00b9ca50@mail.cyberserv.co.za> How many of us can recognise ourselves here? http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article09-208 Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 26/01/2008 03:45 PM From alharris44 at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 12:25:15 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:25:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Off topic - but a good read In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080126212953.00b9ca50@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080126212953.00b9ca50@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <479B972B.8010003@gmail.com> Jerry, wrong group, this is the SEL group, NOT, Good read anyhoo. ;-) Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW Australia Jerry Evans wrote: > How many of us can recognise ourselves here? > > http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article09-208 > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Sat Jan 26 21:40:30 2008 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:40:30 +0900 Subject: [SEL] THE NEW SHED & DOWERIN SHOW Message-ID: <000801c860a7$20abe400$f301a8c0@armstrong> Hello all. have a look at my new shed http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/THE%20SHED.htm and check out the dowerin show 2008 http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/DOWERIN%20SHOW%202007.htm Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jan 27 05:36:15 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:36:15 EST Subject: [SEL] THE NEW SHED & DOWERIN SHOW Message-ID: In a message dated 1/27/2008 12:45:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, k_armstrong at arach.net.au writes: have a look at my new shed Kevin, You must have really done a good job of cleaning the shed and equipment for your wife to use it to hang the towels/etc out to dry! Nice looking stuff in the shed! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From avanti_64 at juno.com Sun Jan 27 07:56:07 2008 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:56:07 GMT Subject: [SEL] Brass spec plates updated Message-ID: <20080127.105607.5401.1@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Jerry Evans, can you contact me at jfk52 at tds.net Thanks,Joe Kelley _____________________________________________________________ Savor the flavor of delicious sea salt. Click and save now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifstBhnjEA0POMYAwJB5vRmR8Z5fG5wskFIWRq51afOHxPF7/ From George at irontrader.com Sun Jan 27 12:17:17 2008 From: George at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:17:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype Message-ID: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the service. George From alharris44 at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 13:46:55 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:46:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> Message-ID: <479CFBCF.7040407@gmail.com> Sorry George, using FWD (Free World Dialup). 639873 > http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ Cheers, Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW Australia George Best wrote: > I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. > > If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the service. > > George > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Jan 28 04:04:26 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:04:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype Message-ID: <012820081204.13986.479DC4C9000EBCD8000036A2219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> George, I am usually on every am from 5:00 to 7:00am (central time). Call name (curtandree1949) Hope to hear from you. Curt Andree McConnell, Ill. ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "George Best" To: Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:27:38 +0000 > I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. > > If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the > service. > > George > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From eallandar at rohrerbus.com Mon Jan 28 05:09:07 2008 From: eallandar at rohrerbus.com (Ed Allandar) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:09:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> Message-ID: <000301c861ae$f733a5a0$4700a8c0@Rohrer.lcl> George- If you didn't find anyone to help you out I'm on with Skye at work all day &:00 AM - 4:40 PM eastern time. Ed Allandar Service & Parts The Rohrer Companies P.O. Box 100 - 1515 State Road Duncannon, PA 17020 717.957.5114 717.418.4401 (c) 1-800-735-6700 x223 www.rohrerbus.com www.rohrerbussales.com eallandar at rohrerbus.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George Best Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:17 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the service. George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Mon Jan 28 10:34:40 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:34:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. I am not talking about current projects you're working on, but projects you started years ago and haven't worked on in at least a year or more. I am also not talking about project engines you've bought and haven't started work on. I'm interested in hearing what engine projects you've started and then for various reasons they have sat for over a year or more without any further work. Although I've many unfinished projects, I really only have a couple engine projects where I started work on the engine and then stopped working on it. I have an early 3hp F-M Z engine. It was complete when I got it and probably would have run with a little tinkering around with it. However, I took it apart and proceeded to clean and paint parts. It is still apart and it has probably been at least 8 years or more since I did anything with it. Although I'm not a great fan of 3hp Z engines, this one is kind of unique as it has an aftermarket EK Wico conversion to replace the plugoscillator. I suppose this engine got pushed to the side as to many other things were more interesting. My other unfinished project is the 5hp flutted hopper Aermotor. At least it is still in my shop and in a location where it should be worked on, but I've found it hard to find time to work on it as well. Basically just needs the fuel system hooked up and a few loose parts bolted back on. I keep telling myself it would only take a few days of work to get it running, but it still sits there unfinished. I've got a few other non-running engines that need a piece or two fixed or replaced, but I'm not even counting them. I think part of the problem is that every year I get something else which gets my attention and time, and the old projects just sit. Anyone else out there with the same problem? This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 10:46:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:46:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801281046p15f375fdk19a4e99fdcdfdf7f@mail.gmail.com> On 28/01/2008, Best, George wrote: > I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. > I think part of the problem is that every year I get something else > which gets my attention and time, and the old projects just sit. > > Anyone else out there with the same problem? Most of us! :-)) We were talking on the weekend about things that we wanted to get done this year, and about not taking on any new projects until we had knocked a bit of a hole in what was already outstanding, but where in h*ll do you start? We have a complete floor and roof to take off and rebuild on the house, that's been waiting 20 years or so, we have many years worth of Patents from the late 1800's to the early 1900's, all gas engine related, to scan and put on the website, there are four engine projects awaiting completion, and so on... Trouble is, things walk up to you and you cannot turn them away. There is at least one very large horizontal diesel that 'may' come our way this year, but it would probably be a massive undertaking to get it stripped and moved etc. Would we turn it down if offered? Would you?? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 28 11:20:59 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:20:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801281046p15f375fdk19a4e99fdcdfdf7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801281046p15f375fdk19a4e99fdcdfdf7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > we have many years worth of > Patents from the late 1800's to the early 1900's, all gas engine > related, > > Peter Good doG Peter, I knew that YOU were that old, but NO WAY that young thing that you bring to Portland with you can be old enough to hold any patents prior to the late 1980's! Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 11:29:07 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:29:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801281046p15f375fdk19a4e99fdcdfdf7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160801281129s4d9ab530o9ecaa86815511d06@mail.gmail.com> On 28/01/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > > we have many years worth of > > Patents from the late 1800's to the early 1900's, all gas engine > > related, > > > > Peter > > Good doG Peter, I knew that YOU were that old, but NO WAY that young > thing that you bring to Portland with you can be old enough to hold > any patents prior to the late 1980's! > Dave Appearances deceive! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jan 28 13:17:44 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:17:44 EST Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects Message-ID: George, I have many unfinished projects, but the one I catch the most grief is my 1936 Buick, bought new by my Grandfather, all original and in running condition. The front end got in bad shape and would go in a violent shake driving down the road at times. I tore it partially apart and got my first gas engine. The rest is history and there it sits waiting on me to come back, and Millie lets me know I need to get back to it every so often too!! My grandfather should rise up and choke me as it was his pride and joy! Of course there is the 8 hp Olds, the 3 hp Novo, and some others too!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 28 18:36:06 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:36:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> I've got a small 2-man saw in the shop thats been there for a couple years but hasn't seen a wrench in close to a year. It was quite an undertaking to get it running but now that it does I really need to make a few parts and finish it up. Of course I started working on it 8-9 years ago. Does cleaning/organizing the shop itself count? I bought a label maker back in Dec. but have yet to get motivated to tackle making new labels for the bolt bin--or anything else for that matter. John Hall From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 28 18:59:04 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:59:04 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell In-Reply-To: <027701c85e0f$22611fd0$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <027701c85e0f$22611fd0$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <479E9678.8070505@optusnet.com.au> Dave Ernst wrote: > At a hardware store parking lot in SoCal I once had a guy that wanted to > swap his new cadillac for my 1930 model A pickup.....I'm still driving the > pickup, dents and all. > Dave === Big feller, was he? Black cowboy hat, croaky gruff kind of voice? Seem to recall a chap named Johnny someone who had a Caddy of doubtful parentage he would have wanted to get rid of. Did it have two headlights on one side and one on the other? What was that song he sang about it, when he worked in the Caddy factory? Jack === From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Jan 28 19:20:03 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:20:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite Arizona show last weekend Message-ID: <20080128.192004.2012.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I just put up 34 pictures from the engine show at Quartzsite AZ last weekend. I put a few captions on things I knew. Be sure to check out # 32 and 33. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32636666&f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jan 28 19:40:08 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:40:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite Arizona show last weekend In-Reply-To: <20080128.192004.2012.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080128.192004.2012.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron. Great pictures! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:20 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. I just put up 34 pictures from the engine show at > Quartzsite AZ > last weekend. I put a few captions on things I knew. Be sure to > check > out # 32 and 33. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=32636666&f=0 > > Ron Haskell From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jan 28 19:41:53 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:41:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <479EA081.6010508@scrtc.com> Hey folks, I have so many unfinished projects I couldn't list them all. On some, its as minor and mounting a gas tank or placing skids under an engine. On others it could be having a cylinder bored or repaired. On others it could be having something major done such having a cracked flywheel and needing one recast. My wife came up to the shop one day when I was tinkering and she said "you'll have to live to be a 100 to fix all this stuff up". I told her "thats the plan!". Tommy Turner John Hall wrote: > I've got a small 2-man saw in the shop thats been there for a couple years >but hasn't seen a wrench in close to a year. It was quite an undertaking to >get it running but now that it does I really need to make a few parts and >finish it up. Of course I started working on it 8-9 years ago. > > Does cleaning/organizing the shop itself count? I bought a label maker back >in Dec. but have yet to get motivated to tackle making new labels for the >bolt bin--or anything else for that matter. > >John Hall > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Jan 28 22:38:57 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:38:57 +1300 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> <479EA081.6010508@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <005501c86241$a0755720$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Good one Tommy i know exactly what you mean i am exactly the same the good thing is you will not get depressed wondering what you can do when you retire as many guys have only work as there main interest.how sads that. I am interested in restoration of anything old so have a range of things that i pick up that i want to restore i feel its a pity to lose these pieces of history even though others think they are junk. Tommy as long as you have an interest in what you do and enjoy your hobby i would say that is a good recipe for a long contented life...brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects > Hey folks, I have so many unfinished projects I couldn't list them all. > On some, its as minor and mounting a gas tank or placing skids under an > engine. On others it could be having a cylinder bored or repaired. On > others it could be having something major done such having a cracked > flywheel and needing one recast. My wife came up to the shop one day > when I was tinkering and she said "you'll have to live to be a 100 to > fix all this stuff up". I told her "thats the plan!". > > Tommy Turner > > > > > > John Hall wrote: > > > I've got a small 2-man saw in the shop thats been there for a couple years > >but hasn't seen a wrench in close to a year. It was quite an undertaking to > >get it running but now that it does I really need to make a few parts and > >finish it up. Of course I started working on it 8-9 years ago. > > > > Does cleaning/organizing the shop itself count? I bought a label maker back > >in Dec. but have yet to get motivated to tackle making new labels for the > >bolt bin--or anything else for that matter. > > > >John Hall > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Jan 28 22:55:19 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:55:19 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801281046p15f375fdk19a4e99fdcdfdf7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c86243$eade7ec0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter the patents you have sound interesting its amazing what ideas they came up with back then. brent --- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects > > we have many years worth of > > Patents from the late 1800's to the early 1900's, all gas engine > > related, > > > > Peter > > Good doG Peter, I knew that YOU were that old, but NO WAY that young > thing that you bring to Portland with you can be old enough to hold > any patents prior to the late 1980's! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Jan 28 23:01:05 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:01:05 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160801281046p15f375fdk19a4e99fdcdfdf7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001301c86244$b872f960$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter i agree if its offered best take it rather than go to the scrap man ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects > On 28/01/2008, Best, George wrote: > > I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. > > > I think part of the problem is that every year I get something else > > which gets my attention and time, and the old projects just sit. > > > > Anyone else out there with the same problem? > > Most of us! :-)) > > We were talking on the weekend about things that we wanted to get done > this year, and about not taking on any new projects until we had > knocked a bit of a hole in what was already outstanding, but where in > h*ll do you start? > > We have a complete floor and roof to take off and rebuild on the > house, that's been waiting 20 years or so, we have many years worth of > Patents from the late 1800's to the early 1900's, all gas engine > related, to scan and put on the website, there are four engine > projects awaiting completion, and so on... > > Trouble is, things walk up to you and you cannot turn them away. > > There is at least one very large horizontal diesel that 'may' come our > way this year, but it would probably be a massive undertaking to get > it stripped and moved etc. Would we turn it down if offered? Would > you?? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jan 29 05:34:29 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:34:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> George, Several have told of unfinished car stories. Hmmm Kelley hasn't piped up! Yeah I'm guilty of the same. I started on this '69 MGBGT many years ago. I think is was before Devin was born. Then I got into a house restoration and then into engines. The project got pushed further and further back. I had planned to get it on the road last summer when the gas prices started to run up. But then Devin's WO Jeep project took priority. I have a 3 1/2HP Jaeger taken apart for several years. Same with a 3 1/2HP Hercules. I did get the cylinder bored and made patterns and cast a new piston. This fall I finish machined the oversize piston. But it still sits in pieces. Engines are on hold a while 'till the Jeep is finished. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Best, George wrote: > I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. > > From johnculp at btes.tv Tue Jan 29 05:37:54 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:37:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Unfinished projects? All of them. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jan 29 07:02:09 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:02:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John: I figger that when I have finished all of my projects, It'll be time to die. Best reason for a junky shop! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 07:38 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects > > > Unfinished projects? > > All of them. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Tue Jan 29 05:59:34 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:59:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <008001c8627f$2dc47ec0$6601a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:34 AM Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. I am not talking about current projects you're working on, but projects you started years ago and haven't worked on in at least a year or more. I am also not talking about project engines you've bought and haven't started work on. I'm interested in hearing what engine projects you've started and then for various reasons they have sat for over a year or more without any further work. I've got a Holt 45 that came off a combine. It is not stuck but is tight in the crank or rod bearings. It sat inside of my shop and stayed warm for the better part of 5 years, got looked at alot and tinkered with a couple of times. Finally moved it out last fall and put it to bed in the far end of the cold part of the shop building..... Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jan 29 06:18:12 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:18:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: > I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. Howdy George and all' I almost had my shed finished when the old iron bug bit. I could park a CAT-12 in the main shop, square dance in the wood shop, and if the motorhome was out, I could see the entire floor. For the past two months I have been trying to find the floor in the main shop and it's showing some progress. Wood shop floor is still there, I think, same with the motorhome storage. It now houses the Economy, Gal sawrig, another Economy, 4hp Famous, 2-1/4 Gal, Universal Dynamo, a saltblock, small Goulds pump and a base for a large old drillpress. I won't even go into what's in the Wood Shop and Main Shop. Started and put on the back burner includes; IHC Grain Binder 4-1/2 New Way...Need mixer btw. 1-3/4 Economy dragsaw...didn't really start that one ~10hp Wachs steam engine and boiler on skid. Needs crankshaft work. An Ice Plow almost done..need to order the handles. A door to the $hitter would be nice, also a door between the woodshop and main shop. Today's priority is find out why water is coming up my floor drains. This could prove interesting as it's not connected to the septic system....THANK GAWD!!! Well that's not too bad..ooopss forgot about the Fordson Trackson. Anyone got a RESTORED Fordson for sale?? on steel? Maybe I'll just stay in the house today...It's cold out there :-) Did apply for my social security yesterday so there's a little more mad money plus what I make plowing out the neighbors. Will go to Rollag steam school, father's day weekend..I'm looking for a good motel gang...as I've never been there. Enough fer now, RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jan 29 06:52:18 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:52:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <479EA081.6010508@scrtc.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> <479EA081.6010508@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6BB43C19-129D-4978-AC58-44046C891B4E@alltel.net> On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > My wife came up to the shop one day > when I was tinkering and she said "you'll have to live to be a 100 to > fix all this stuff up". I told her "thats the plan!". > > Tommy Turner Arnie keeps saying that he plans to live forever--and so far it's working! Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jan 29 07:30:48 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:30:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <6BB43C19-129D-4978-AC58-44046C891B4E@alltel.net> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> <479EA081.6010508@scrtc.com> <6BB43C19-129D-4978-AC58-44046C891B4E@alltel.net> Message-ID: <3B0D858F-DB95-4158-863A-FBE46EDCCBC7@rustyiron.com> > Arnie keeps saying that he plans to live forever--and so far it's > working! > Has anyone heard from Arnie today? Maybe his plan isn't working so well any more. Just to be sure, I'm going to call Nancy and ask if I can help clean behind the barn. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jan 29 07:50:46 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:50:46 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <016B181E-7591-4774-8979-5DFBC345B4D5@rustyiron.com> On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Best, George wrote: > I'm sure we all have some unfinished projects. Think again, George. Towards the end of last year sold off my only remaining project that was stalled as the result of waning interest. It was the complete 7 1/2 horse Allan Brothers. It was a big decision, but she had been sitting neglected for about five years, wasn't going to get my attention any time soon, and she truly deserved to be restored, shown and enjoyed. The empty space was put to good use, the new owner is happy, and I have no regrets (and will likely have none until I get to see the engine running). Rob From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jan 29 08:10:38 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:10:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quartzsite Arizona show last weekend Message-ID: <20080129.120034.1264.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ron, Thanks for the great photos. I had a brother that lived in Tucson and used to visit. Every time I see pix of AZ I get an empty feeling. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " If at first you don't succeed, (_o_) you'll get a lot of advice." From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Tue Jan 29 10:51:44 2008 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:51:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects Message-ID: I have had an early Fairbanks Eclipse in pieces for the last 6 years. I was in the process of putting it back together when I decided to move. It seems our 13 year old house with a 2 car garage on ? acre didn't have enough room for me to have a shop and park cars in the garage. (which I consider a necessity during the winter in Connecticut) So we looked and looked for something with a better lot where I could have a shop. We considered building new, but housing prices in our area are way too high for me to think about building and retiring in 15 years. I found the perfect place! Closer to work, a nice flat acre with lots of trees and a barn. But the house was started in 1770, and isn't quite finished yet, the barn is ~120 years old and needs some shoring up. So for the last few years all I've done is work on the house to get it finished so I can then start on the barn, so I can then get back to my engine. Oh yea, in the meantime I started doing a little blacksmithing just for fun as well. That doesn't count the rest of the engines I haven't even started yet. Ken Erman Windsor, CT. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 29 11:13:06 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:13:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <312CC69ACF664015B4D20E1B8AFAB9F2@KerryPC> And Curt we will not even talk about the two MG's that the tree grew through that you took to the dump last year 8-)) Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz > George, > Several have told of unfinished car stories. Hmmm Kelley hasn't piped > up! Yeah I'm guilty of the same. I started on this '69 MGBGT many years > ago. I think is was before Devin was born. > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jan 29 12:56:59 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:56:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects Message-ID: <10106512.53471201640219705.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z02> We know he will, he has yet to touch the mighty FERO compressor!!!! ---- David Rotigel wrote: > On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > My wife came up to the shop one day > > when I was tinkering and she said "you'll have to live to be a 100 to > > fix all this stuff up". I told her "thats the plan!". > > > > Tommy Turner > > Arnie keeps saying that he plans to live forever--and so far it's > working! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jan 29 12:56:50 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:56:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <312CC69ACF664015B4D20E1B8AFAB9F2@KerryPC> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> <312CC69ACF664015B4D20E1B8AFAB9F2@KerryPC> Message-ID: <479F9312.20705@imc-group.com> Ah yes the honeysuckle planter labeled by the neighbors as Chia Cars. Curt P.S. For those overseas who might not know what Chia Pets are: and the original commercial: Kerry wrote: > And Curt we will not even talk about the two MG's that the tree grew through > that you took to the dump last year 8-)) > > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 19:17:35 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:17:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <106692.5335.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury engine. I bought it from a list member here. It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end. I forget who I bought that from, but at the time I emailed him and he said that cover was in a shed somewhere, but he would have to wait until Winter to dig for it because that shed was full of bees, wasps, hornets or something???? Well,,,,, That has been several Winters ago and I have not heard anything from him. Bummer too,,,, I think that saw was supposed to be complete. All those emails about this saw were on my WebTv and got dumped suddenly. Soon as I got that saw home I took it to the next Buckley Old Engine Show as a stuck non-runner with the recoil rope hanging out of a messed up recoil unit. It took just a couple hours to loosen it up and get it running. What a cool sound. Loud and cool that is. Three of the folks that were standing around watching us work on it put their hands over their ears and left fast. Several other folks came in a hurry to see what was making that beautiful sound. 8>)) IIRC It was my good friend Bill Wright and our own Luke Tonneberger that were there with me knocking it loose and repairing the recoil. There it sits now because I will not put a chain on it until I get that part. 8>(( Now,,, Who did I buy it from? If you are out there please send me a note off list. IIRC someone else brought it to me at either Portland or Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell. If that great person reads this please email me off list and let me know who it came from. Thanks, for this topic too, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan John Hall wrote: I've got a small 2-man saw in the shop thats been there for a couple years but hasn't seen a wrench in close to a year. It was quite an undertaking to get it running but now that it does I really need to make a few parts and finish it up. Of course I started working on it 8-9 years ago. Does cleaning/organizing the shop itself count? I bought a label maker back in Dec. but have yet to get motivated to tackle making new labels for the bolt bin--or anything else for that matter. John Hall _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Jan 29 21:10:06 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:10:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished Projects Message-ID: <000901c862fe$6462a220$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> I have several unfinished projects .......the one that concerns me the most is a Mopat Engine ,some vital parts of which I carefully put away 6 years ago .......time is running out! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From falcon at telenet.net Tue Jan 29 21:39:43 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:39:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: <106692.5335.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <106692.5335.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A00D9F.1020102@telenet.net> Alan, Is that one like the current 160203486702 on sleezebay? -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept Alan Bowen wrote: > I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury engine. > I bought it from a list member here. > It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end. > Thanks, for this topic too, > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Jan 29 23:29:52 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:29:52 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: Message-ID: <005501c86311$e7e35b90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Tom the buick sounds like a great project do you have any family that are keen to help you with it could be a great father son or daughter project or even a family affair...Would have lots opf great memories restoring it together .If it goes well they might help you complete more projects brent .----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects > George, > > I have many unfinished projects, but the one I catch the most grief is my > 1936 Buick, bought new by my Grandfather, all original and in running condition. > The front end got in bad shape and would go in a violent shake driving down > the road at times. I tore it partially apart and got my first gas engine. The > rest is history and there it sits waiting on me to come back, and Millie lets > me know I need to get back to it every so often too!! My grandfather should > rise up and choke me as it was his pride and joy! > > Of course there is the 8 hp Olds, the 3 hp Novo, and some others too!! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jan 30 04:05:45 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:05:45 EST Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects Message-ID: In a message dated 1/30/2008 2:35:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz writes: Tom the buick sounds like a great project Brent, 30 year old son has said to put it in the will for him, and also the whole garage!! He is busy making a living and a life as most of us were doing at that age too. I just need to get away from the old engine hobby for a while and concentrate on the Buick. Problem is there are too many shows to attend when the weather is nice. I take an engine to a local car cruise in once a month is the warm months and have a great time. What I need to do is fix the Buick, put a hitch on it, and drive it with a trailer behind and an engine to the cruise in. Now, that would draw a lot of attention! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Jan 30 06:07:03 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:07:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay changes Message-ID: <20080130140847.966A957C69@gw1.nlenet.net> Feedback Changes The eBay Feedback system was designed to provide a simple, honest, accurate record of member experiences. Focusing on customer service includes doing everything we can to grow customer confidence in our sellers. Buyers will only be able to receive positive Feedback. Positive repeat customer Feedback will count (up to 1 Feedback from the same buyer per week.) Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your Feedback percentage. When a buyer doesn't respond to the Unpaid Item (UPI) process the negative or neutral Feedback they have left for that transaction will be removed. When a member is suspended, all their negative and neutral Feedback will be removed. Buyers must wait 3 days before leaving negative or neutral Feedback for sellers with an established track record, to encourage communication. All Feedback must be left within 60 days (compared to 90 days today) of listing end to encourage timely Feedback and discourage abuse. Buyers will be held more accountable when sellers report an unpaid item or commit other policy violations. http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/rewards/index.html?ov=004KO $0.01-$25.00 was 10.00% of the closing value will be12.00% of the closing value See http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/basic/index.html?ov=004KO for other fees From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 06:33:07 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:33:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay changes In-Reply-To: <20080130140847.966A957C69@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080130140847.966A957C69@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160801300633h68b848c3lc5e4f40eb72ad604@mail.gmail.com> On 30/01/2008, Frank DeWitt wrote: > Feedback Changes Seems like it isn't going to change much at all Peter! -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Jan 30 06:59:00 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:59:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay changes Message-ID: <20080130150848.3C47057E28@gw1.nlenet.net> Seems like it isn't going to change much at all Peter! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is what caught my eye Buyers will only be able to receive positive Feedback. Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your Feedback percentage. Frank From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 30 07:40:47 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:40:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay changes In-Reply-To: <20080130150848.3C47057E28@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080130150848.3C47057E28@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <65E9802C-FF65-4FC3-B460-2F3E35571712@alltel.net> On Jan 30, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Frank DeWitt wrote: > Seems like it isn't going to change much at all > > Peter! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------- > > This is what caught my eye > > Buyers will only be able to receive positive Feedback. > > Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your Feedback > percentage. > > Frank Now Frank, You know that your mother always told you "If you can't say anything nice about another person, don't say anything at all!" Dave PS, Life's a BITCH--DON'T vote for one! From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Jan 30 07:43:28 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:43:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay changes Message-ID: <20080130154806.09A90580D4@gw1.nlenet.net> > This is what caught my eye > > Buyers will only be able to receive positive Feedback. > > Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your Feedback > percentage. > > Frank Now Frank, You know that your mother always told you "If you can't say anything nice about another person, don't say anything at all!" Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It looks like an attempt to allow buyers to leave honest feedback with out worry that they will have there own rating messed up. I wonder what the unintended consequences will be? At least I will get rid of the negative from the guy who was upset because the 12 year old car I sold him needed brakes after he drove it across two states and back and forth to work for a month. Frank From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jan 30 07:57:00 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:57:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: <106692.5335.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <007201c8621f$b3a01460$fdee4c0c@D48VHZ61> <106692.5335.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, I remember it well. Here are a couple pictures of the fun. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck03/buck03-1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck03/buck03-2.jpgLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA =============================> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:17:35 -0800> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw> > I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury engine. > I bought it from a list member here.> It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end.> > I forget who I bought that from, but at the time I emailed him and he said that cover was in a shed somewhere, but he would have to wait until Winter to dig for it because that shed was full of bees, wasps, hornets or something????> > Well,,,,, That has been several Winters ago and I have not heard anything from him. Bummer too,,,, I think that saw was supposed to be complete.> All those emails about this saw were on my WebTv and got dumped suddenly.> > Soon as I got that saw home I took it to the next Buckley Old Engine Show as a stuck non-runner with the recoil rope hanging out of a messed up recoil unit.> > It took just a couple hours to loosen it up and get it running. What a cool sound.> Loud and cool that is. Three of the folks that were standing around watching us work on it put their hands over their ears and left fast.> Several other folks came in a hurry to see what was making that beautiful sound. 8>))> IIRC It was my good friend Bill Wright and our own Luke Tonneberger that were there with me knocking it loose and repairing the recoil.> There it sits now because I will not put a chain on it until I get that part. 8>((> > Now,,, Who did I buy it from?> If you are out there please send me a note off list.> IIRC someone else brought it to me at either Portland or Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell. If that great person reads this please email me off list and let me know who it came from.> Thanks, for this topic too, > > Alan Bowen> Williamsburg, Michigan _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 09:29:14 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:29:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Ebay changes In-Reply-To: <65E9802C-FF65-4FC3-B460-2F3E35571712@alltel.net> References: <20080130150848.3C47057E28@gw1.nlenet.net> <65E9802C-FF65-4FC3-B460-2F3E35571712@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160801300929o56a9766cia2276671ac36f8e6@mail.gmail.com> On 30/01/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Frank DeWitt wrote: > > > Now Frank, You know that your mother always told you "If you can't > say anything nice about another person, don't say anything at all!" > Dave > PS, Life's a BITCH--DON'T vote for one! Hillary is going to be the next Ebay CEO? You have the inside word, Dave? :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 09:51:08 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:51:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Decision Time Message-ID: <6f6025160801300951g7555f573se14535283c206414@mail.gmail.com> Seriously (for a minute anyway) After more discussions the other evening, and following on from George's posting, we are at the point of deciding on whether to devote more time to the website and engine matters therein, and less on the actual mechanical side of things. I am going to be 62 in February, and while I am still very active, the lugging around of big lumps of iron is starting to take its toll. Like my mate, Reggie, I also had a motorcycle accident (back in the early 1980's) and although I didn't break anything then, the muscles on my left arm and shoulder are starting to give me a fair bit of trouble, as a result of hitting a car that turned across me as I was overtaking him...(wrote off my BMW R100CS as well) Anyway, we wanted to get all the engine Patents and other carb/magneto stuff listed and on the website before I got to the stage where my eyesight wasn't up to doing the volume of computer work required. That implies something like 3-4 years work, and with the other stuff that we have in the queue for the website, I cannot see us having the time to play with the engines AND do the website work. The other problem is the cost of storage. We rent a farm building to house most of the overspill from the workshop and the engine tent outside the house, and that is going to get more expensive soon. That's nearly 1000sq ft altogether. We'll still be around and active on the Lists, but we will wind down the engine collection (about 15 at present) to just the Ruston and the Diter and maybe one of the Cub gennies. The decision is almost made, unless someone can give me a VERY good reason not to do it? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Jan 30 10:47:16 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:47:16 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects References: Message-ID: <008601c86370$8a49d2c0$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> That sounds like a great idea Tom its a great hobby and good way to meet with people with a common interest.At least your son is keen on the buick and would be great to keep in the family i know what you mean about a shortage of time.It is abit of a juggle at times with family and hobbies..All the best with the buick would look great at vintage machinery shows.Its amazing how much you can get done on something even if it is only half an hour each day..brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects > > In a message dated 1/30/2008 2:35:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, > brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz writes: > > Tom the buick sounds like a great project > > > Brent, > > 30 year old son has said to put it in the will for him, and also the whole > garage!! He is busy making a living and a life as most of us were doing at that > age too. > > I just need to get away from the old engine hobby for a while and concentrate > on the Buick. Problem is there are too many shows to attend when the weather > is nice. I take an engine to a local car cruise in once a month is the warm > months and have a great time. What I need to do is fix the Buick, put a hitch > on it, and drive it with a trailer behind and an engine to the cruise in. > Now, that would draw a lot of attention! > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM > > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 30 13:04:44 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:04:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Decision Time In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801300951g7555f573se14535283c206414@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6f6025160801300951g7555f573se14535283c206414@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080131080229.02192ca8@ncable.com.au> Pete you are the only one who can answer such a question. It's a shame I live so far away from you as I know how heavy these engines are and to come help shift them out would be the least I could do, althought Im just wondering where I would get the 1000sq foot of extra room :-) Russell At 04:51 AM 31/01/2008, you wrote: >Seriously (for a minute anyway) > >After more discussions the other evening, and following on from >George's posting, we are at the point of deciding on whether to devote >more time to the website and engine matters therein, and less on the >actual mechanical side of things. > >I am going to be 62 in February, and while I am still very active, the >lugging around of big lumps of iron is starting to take its toll. Like >my mate, Reggie, I also had a motorcycle accident (back in the early >1980's) and although I didn't break anything then, the muscles on my >left arm and shoulder are starting to give me a fair bit of trouble, >as a result of hitting a car that turned across me as I was overtaking >him...(wrote off my BMW R100CS as well) > >Anyway, we wanted to get all the engine Patents and other >carb/magneto stuff listed and on the website before I got to the stage >where my eyesight wasn't up to doing the volume of computer work >required. That implies something like 3-4 years work, and with the >other stuff that we have in the queue for the website, I cannot see us >having the time to play with the engines AND do the website work. > >The other problem is the cost of storage. We rent a farm building to >house most of the overspill from the workshop and the engine tent >outside the house, and that is going to get more expensive soon. >That's nearly 1000sq ft altogether. > >We'll still be around and active on the Lists, but we will wind down >the engine collection (about 15 at present) to just the Ruston and the >Diter and maybe one of the Cub gennies. > >The decision is almost made, unless someone can give me a VERY good >reason not to do it? > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 30 13:14:31 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:14:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A simple test Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080131080506.02049350@ncable.com.au> I have a simple test. Without looking at the key board try typing "Stationary engine" !!! How did you go? Next test is to type your wifes full maiden name ! (if you can remember it) don't look at they key board. How many mistakes did you make in test one to test two?? Now delete all this rubbish and get back to the shed before you get in trouble. :-) Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed Jan 30 15:09:33 2008 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:09:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A simple test In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080131080506.02049350@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080131080506.02049350@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <47A103AD.9020601@xplornet.com> Hello Russel, That's no problem if you had a typing teacher like I had. I was taught on the old mechanical typewriters to look at the work or the dictation sheet I was copying. It's tough to do if your used to looking at the keyboard. You mention "shed" below. Do you call a shop a shed in AU too or is that a New Zealand term for a shop? Speaking of sheds, I just renewed my subscription the The Shed Magazine. Wish shipping wasn't so high but I like the magazine. Rupert Russell Gilbert wrote: > I have a simple test. > > Without looking at the key board try typing "Stationary engine" !!! > How did you go? > > Next test is to type your wifes full maiden name ! (if you can > remember it) don't look at they key board. > > How many mistakes did you make in test one to test two?? > > Now delete all this rubbish and get back to the shed before you get > in trouble. :-) > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 30 17:23:48 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:23:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1201742628.47a1232454cc8@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Curt, No damn wonder Kelley hasn't piped up. Think about it... The word "unfinished" implies that _sometime_ in the future, the project may be finished. With Ms. Kelley's 'stang... Well, lets just say we'll see the heat death of the universe before THAT project is "finished." 8->>> See ya, Arnie Quoting Curt : > George, > Several have told of unfinished car stories. Hmmm Kelley hasn't piped > up! From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 30 17:55:47 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:55:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <10106512.53471201640219705.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z02> References: <10106512.53471201640219705.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z02> Message-ID: <1201744547.47a12aa338d80@webmail.city-net.com> heh-heh-heh All a part of The Plan. 8-)) Quoting mr at carolina.rr.com: > We know he will, he has yet to touch the mighty FERO compressor!!!! > > ---- David Rotigel wrote: > > Arnie keeps saying that he plans to live forever--and so far it's > > working! From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Jan 30 18:36:22 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:36:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw References: <106692.5335.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009201c863b2$11f11580$dad14c0c@D48VHZ61> Don't know which model you have but the older ones merely had a sheet metal cover over the sprocket. It wouldn't take a lot to make one so you could "play". Watch the hand clutch--you'll never be able to reach it before you get kicked if the log decides to bite. If you think that one is loud, you'd better get some ear plugs before you add to your collection as Mercury's are pretty quiet. The one man saws are the worst. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw >I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury >engine. > I bought it from a list member here. > It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end. > > I forget who I bought that from, but at the time I emailed him and he said > that cover was in a shed somewhere, but he would have to wait until Winter > to dig for it because that shed was full of bees, wasps, hornets or > something???? > > Well,,,,, That has been several Winters ago and I have not heard anything > from him. Bummer too,,,, I think that saw was supposed to be complete. > All those emails about this saw were on my WebTv and got dumped suddenly. > > Soon as I got that saw home I took it to the next Buckley Old Engine Show > as a stuck non-runner with the recoil rope hanging out of a messed up > recoil unit. > > It took just a couple hours to loosen it up and get it running. What a > cool sound. > Loud and cool that is. Three of the folks that were standing around > watching us work on it put their hands over their ears and left fast. > Several other folks came in a hurry to see what was making that beautiful > sound. 8>)) > IIRC It was my good friend Bill Wright and our own Luke Tonneberger that > were there with me knocking it loose and repairing the recoil. > There it sits now because I will not put a chain on it until I get that > part. 8>(( > > Now,,, Who did I buy it from? > If you are out there please send me a note off list. > IIRC someone else brought it to me at either Portland or Lincoln Tucker's > Show & Tell. If that great person reads this please email me off list > and let me know who it came from. > Thanks, for this topic too, > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Wed Jan 30 18:42:06 2008 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:42:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <1201742628.47a1232454cc8@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> <1201742628.47a1232454cc8@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <5796E4FF-1A22-4F09-87CE-8388F0CE35C8@rustyiron.com> Arnie, you DO realize, that poking me with a stick will have a very negative 'impact', come Portland time! Kapish, roomy? hi Curt and all, there will always be unfinished projects! well, until I can pull the pin at work anyway.... my list has 2 big ones. I have a '65 mustang that I have partially restored. This car was my mom's first new car and my first car when I was 16 and got my license. After playing with a car as a teenager is likely to do (headers, raised rear suspension to make room for the big L50 tires, rims, paint, etc), I thought it time to put it back to stock. the other project is a 5hp Ottawa drag saw [with saw]. it's stripped down and ready for me to start putting it back together again. what keeps me away from these projects? long hours at work, home maintenance, repairs or upgrades, and then Rob bringing home fresh projects :-) But there is no doubt, I will get to them! ********** Kelley Garcia La habra Kalifornia On Jan 30, 2008, at 5:23 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Curt, > > No damn wonder Kelley hasn't piped up. Think about it... > The word "unfinished" implies that _sometime_ in the future, the > project may be > finished. With Ms. Kelley's 'stang... Well, lets just say we'll > see the heat > death of the universe before THAT project is "finished." 8->>> > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Curt : > >> George, >> Several have told of unfinished car stories. Hmmm Kelley hasn't piped >> up! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 30 19:54:25 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:54:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spam: Re: Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <1201744547.47a12aa338d80@webmail.city-net.com> References: <10106512.53471201640219705.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z02> <1201744547.47a12aa338d80@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <404E0120-99B6-45A1-9DF4-F84EBA10EF14@alltel.net> "The Plan?" Is that something like His Plan? Dave On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:55 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > heh-heh-heh All a part of The Plan. 8-)) > > Quoting mr at carolina.rr.com: > >> We know he will, he has yet to touch the mighty FERO compressor!!!! >> >> ---- David Rotigel wrote: >>> Arnie keeps saying that he plans to live forever--and so far it's >>> working! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jan 30 20:01:04 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:01:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <5796E4FF-1A22-4F09-87CE-8388F0CE35C8@rustyiron.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> <1201742628.47a1232454cc8@webmail.city-net.com> <5796E4FF-1A22-4F09-87CE-8388F0CE35C8@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <746FC14B-409E-49B4-B123-E7EF9B6D9437@alltel.net> On Jan 30, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Kelley Garcia wrote: > Arnie, > you DO realize, that poking me with a stick will have a very negative > 'impact', come Portland time! Kapish, roomy? If Arnie is disqualified can I have his night? Dave From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jan 30 20:22:49 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:22:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A simple test In-Reply-To: <47A103AD.9020601@xplornet.com> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080131080506.02049350@ncable.com.au> <47A103AD.9020601@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080131152108.02195f38@ncable.com.au> G'day Rupert, yes my shed is like your shop; A shop is a place I can buy stuff to put in my shed :-) Russell At 10:09 AM 31/01/2008, you wrote: >Hello Russel, > That's no problem if you had a typing teacher like I had. I > was taught >on the old mechanical typewriters to look at the work or the dictation >sheet I was copying. It's tough to do if your used to looking at the >keyboard. > > You mention "shed" below. Do you call a shop a shed in AU too or is >that a New Zealand term for a shop? > Speaking of sheds, I just renewed my subscription the The Shed >Magazine. Wish shipping wasn't so high but I like the magazine. > >Rupert > >Russell Gilbert wrote: > > I have a simple test. > > > > Without looking at the key board try typing "Stationary engine" !!! > > How did you go? > > > > Next test is to type your wifes full maiden name ! (if you can > > remember it) don't look at they key board. > > > > How many mistakes did you make in test one to test two?? > > > > Now delete all this rubbish and get back to the shed before you get > > in trouble. :-) > > Russell Gilbert > > Sunny Sunraysia > > russell at ncable.com.au > > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >-- >-- >yvt > >Rupert Wenig >Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 31 02:32:44 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:32:44 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> Message-ID: <000501c863f4$a0c4a0f0$0dc20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype >I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. > If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the service. > George Hi George, Are you having problems with Skype? No one can find you on it. My skype name is "davecroft". Any problems just ask. By the way to anyone using broadband, why don't you join us on Skype? It is free to download and use. We have about 30 enginemen on it. Dave Croft From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Jan 31 03:50:13 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:50:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype Message-ID: <013120081150.21347.47A1B5F50002FDBB00005363219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey George were all waiting for you to SKYPE us. If your having troubles let us know and we can help you. Curt Andree skype name: curtandree1949 ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "George Best" To: Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:27:38 +0000 > I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. > > If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the > service. > > George > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Thu Jan 31 06:59:59 2008 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:59:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <746FC14B-409E-49B4-B123-E7EF9B6D9437@alltel.net> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> <1201742628.47a1232454cc8@webmail.city-net.com> <5796E4FF-1A22-4F09-87CE-8388F0CE35C8@rustyiron.com> <746FC14B-409E-49B4-B123-E7EF9B6D9437@alltel.net> Message-ID: Sointenly! however, I'm kinda looking forward to see if Arnie is going to be able to get out of the hole he has dug.... *********** See ya, Kelley On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:01 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Kelley Garcia wrote: > >> Arnie, >> you DO realize, that poking me with a stick will have a very negative >> 'impact', come Portland time! Kapish, roomy? > > If Arnie is disqualified can I have his night? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Thu Jan 31 08:24:31 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:24:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <000501c863f4$a0c4a0f0$0dc20b52@intrepid> References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> <000501c863f4$a0c4a0f0$0dc20b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD5A47@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Dave, I think you can search for George Best, which is what I think Paul did when he contacted me on Sunday (Monday in Australia), but there are several George Best's. Fortunately, Paul has stayed at my house and knew I lived in Beaverton Oregon. My skype name is georgesbest. Getting hold of me via Skype may not be easy as I only have it loaded on my new computer at home, and the new computer is still being set up and hasn't replaced the old computer yet. I also do most of my SEL postings during the day from work. My computer time at home is mostly limited to taking care of my W.A.I.T. business and I usually don't spend a lot of time on the computer at home. The timezone differences makes it hard for anyone to skype me during the week as I'm GMT+8 and by the time I get home from work it is too late for European calls. Weekend calls are fine, but since I don't sit at the computer all day, catching me at the computer will be difficult. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:33 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: Oldengine.org Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone using Skype ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype >I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. > If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try out the service. > George Hi George, Are you having problems with Skype? No one can find you on it. My skype name is "davecroft". Any problems just ask. By the way to anyone using broadband, why don't you join us on Skype? It is free to download and use. We have about 30 enginemen on it. Dave Croft _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jan 31 08:29:41 2008 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:29:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905C2BA9A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <479F2B65.4080203@imc-group.com> <1201742628.47a1232454cc8@webmail.city-net.com> <5796E4FF-1A22-4F09-87CE-8388F0CE35C8@rustyiron.com> <746FC14B-409E-49B4-B123-E7EF9B6D9437@alltel.net> Message-ID: <47A1F775.3080903@imc-group.com> Kelley, He's not worried, Arnie is armed with two trump cards. 1) He knows beer works on any trollop. 2) And this is a family list so the other one can't be mentioned here. You'll be like butter, minutes after arriving at Portland. Gather up your stars darlin'. Curt :-) Kelley Garcia wrote: > Sointenly! > > however, I'm kinda looking forward to see if Arnie is going to be able > to get out of the hole he has dug.... > > *********** > See ya, > Kelley > > > > > From alharris44 at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 11:53:51 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:53:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD5A47@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> <000501c863f4$a0c4a0f0$0dc20b52@intrepid> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD5A47@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <47A2274F.2090005@gmail.com> G'day George, I'm hooked up with FWD for VOIP, but that's my problem. ;-) However, your situation with Skype/computer having to be switched on and "sat at", has me just a little amused. I don't need to have my PC's powered-up for FWD to be functional, only the modem/router. And I can be anywhere around the place with my portable phone on my belt, to be called/call. This should also be possible with Skype. If not, it's a scam. :-P On my right hip is my mobile, on my left hip is my landline portable and dangling in front is my FWD portable. Have you seen the old comedy skit about the loser trying to figure which of many phones is ringing. But at least I'm covered. Cheers, Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW Australia Best, George wrote: > Dave, > > I think you can search for George Best, which is what I think Paul did > when he contacted me on Sunday (Monday in Australia), but there are > several George Best's. Fortunately, Paul has stayed at my house and knew > I lived in Beaverton Oregon. > > My skype name is georgesbest. > > Getting hold of me via Skype may not be easy as I only have it loaded on > my new computer at home, and the new computer is still being set up and > hasn't replaced the old computer yet. > > I also do most of my SEL postings during the day from work. My computer > time at home is mostly limited to taking care of my W.A.I.T. business > and I usually don't spend a lot of time on the computer at home. The > timezone differences makes it hard for anyone to skype me during the > week as I'm GMT+8 and by the time I get home from work it is too late > for European calls. > > Weekend calls are fine, but since I don't sit at the computer all day, > catching me at the computer will be difficult. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:33 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Oldengine.org > Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone using Skype > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Best" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:17 PM > Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype > > >> I just loaded Skype on my pc at home. >> If someone on the list is also using Skype let me know so I can try > out the service. >> George > > Hi George, > Are you having problems with Skype? No one can find you on it. > My skype name is "davecroft". Any problems just ask. > By the way to anyone using broadband, why don't you join us on Skype? > It is free to download and use. We have about 30 enginemen on it. > > Dave Croft > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Jan 31 13:01:17 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:01:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <47A2274F.2090005@gmail.com> References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> <000501c863f4$a0c4a0f0$0dc20b52@intrepid><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD5A47@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47A2274F.2090005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD6528@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Al, I'm new to skype so more experienced users might have their own comments on this. As far as sitting at my computer to use Skype, both skype users need to be at their computer only if you are trying to talk for free. If a Skype user wants to call a cell phone or landline phone they can for a few cents per minute. If your FWD service is free and you can do what you say, then you probably have something worth looking into. However, I suspect you're paying a monthly fee or something for your service. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone using Skype G'day George, I'm hooked up with FWD for VOIP, but that's my problem. ;-) However, your situation with Skype/computer having to be switched on and "sat at", has me just a little amused. I don't need to have my PC's powered-up for FWD to be functional, only the modem/router. And I can be anywhere around the place with my portable phone on my belt, to be called/call. This should also be possible with Skype. If not, it's a scam. :-P On my right hip is my mobile, on my left hip is my landline portable and dangling in front is my FWD portable. Have you seen the old comedy skit about the loser trying to figure which of many phones is ringing. But at least I'm covered. Cheers, Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW Australia This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From alharris44 at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 13:21:16 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:21:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD6528@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <955A25A05AD149BBADFDACB66507C3E7@NewHP> <000501c863f4$a0c4a0f0$0dc20b52@intrepid><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD5A47@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47A2274F.2090005@gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905CD6528@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <47A23BCC.5000008@gmail.com> George, No fees, free service for FWD's VOIP. Yep, extra if you go out into the Public Network. I have a Linksys VOIP Voice Analogue Telephone Adapter 1 Port FXS connected to a port on my Netcomm Modem/router. I have a Uniden Portable base plugged into the Linksys and the Uniden Portable on my belt. I'm freeeeeeeeeeeeee. Cheers, Al etc Best, George wrote: > Al, > > I'm new to skype so more experienced users might have their own comments > on this. > > As far as sitting at my computer to use Skype, both skype users need to > be at their computer only if you are trying to talk for free. If a > Skype user wants to call a cell phone or landline phone they can for a > few cents per minute. > > If your FWD service is free and you can do what you say, then you > probably have something worth looking into. > > However, I suspect you're paying a monthly fee or something for your > service. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone using Skype > > G'day George, > > I'm hooked up with FWD for VOIP, but that's my problem. ;-) > > However, your situation with Skype/computer having to be switched on and > "sat at", has me just a little amused. > > I don't need to have my PC's powered-up for FWD to be functional, only > the modem/router. And I can be anywhere around the place with my > portable phone on my belt, to be called/call. This should also be > possible with Skype. If not, it's a scam. :-P > > On my right hip is my mobile, on my left hip is my landline portable and > dangling in front is my FWD portable. > > Have you seen the old comedy skit about the loser trying to figure which > of many phones is ringing. But at least I'm covered. > > Cheers, > Al Harris > Clarence Coast > NSW Australia > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jan 31 16:13:58 2008 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:43:58 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype In-Reply-To: <47A2274F.2090005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c86467$57614260$1bcbae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> Hmmmmmm :) ..................... and dangling in front is my FWD portable. Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW Australia From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Jan 31 20:28:31 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:28:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone using Skype Message-ID: <20080201043423.ACA1257C8D@gw1.nlenet.net> I don't need to have my PC's powered-up for FWD to be functional, only the modem/router. And I can be anywhere around the place with my portable phone on my belt, to be called/call. This should also be possible with Skype. If not, it's a scam. :-P A quick search turned up dozens of phones that work with Skype and at least one that works with Skype and your land line. and http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/03/panasonics-cordless-landline-with-skype/ Or just search for Skype cordless phone. Frank From gibsongus at earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 22:32:28 2008 From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:32:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects Message-ID: <6652011.1201847548732.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kelly this sounds intersting whats your room no. and how many beers?? I may have to go to Portland.... -----Original Message----- >From: Kelley Garcia >Sent: Jan 30, 2008 6:42 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects > >Arnie, >you DO realize, that poking me with a stick will have a very negative >'impact', come Portland time! Kapish, roomy? > >hi Curt and all, >there will always be unfinished projects! well, until I can pull the >pin at work anyway.... >my list has 2 big ones. > >I have a '65 mustang that I have partially restored. This car was my >mom's first new car and my first car when I was 16 and got my >license. After playing with a car as a teenager is likely to do >(headers, raised rear suspension to make room for the big L50 tires, >rims, paint, etc), I thought it time to put it back to stock. > >the other project is a 5hp Ottawa drag saw [with saw]. it's stripped >down and ready for me to start putting it back together again. > >what keeps me away from these projects? long hours at work, home >maintenance, repairs or upgrades, and then Rob bringing home fresh >projects :-) > >But there is no doubt, I will get to them! > > >********** >Kelley Garcia >La habra Kalifornia > > > >On Jan 30, 2008, at 5:23 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> Hi Curt, >> >> No damn wonder Kelley hasn't piped up. Think about it... >> The word "unfinished" implies that _sometime_ in the future, the >> project may be >> finished. With Ms. Kelley's 'stang... Well, lets just say we'll >> see the heat >> death of the universe before THAT project is "finished." 8->>> >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Curt : >> >>> George, >>> Several have told of unfinished car stories. Hmmm Kelley hasn't piped >>> up! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel