On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After that it's pretty much a drain cock! = = = = = = ROFLMAO !!! ;-) Great !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " A lot of people who itch for success (_o_) never want to scratch for it."