From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Feb 1 14:14:58 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:14:58 EST Subject: [SEL] spyware OT Message-ID: For many years I have had Ad-aware SE (free addition) installed for spyware. I did this as a recommendation from the list during one of the discussions. SE is no longer available and the free addition is now Ad-aware 2007. I see where the 2007 updater now permanently runs in the background. I noticed on a blog where someone was having trouble with their computer slowing down considerably after installing 2007 and could not speed it up even after deleting much of 2007. I have had good success with SE and no problems incurred. I have not downloaded 2007 yet. Has anyone had any experience with it or are there other recommendations now for free spywhere to take the place of SE. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Feb 1 15:30:22 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:30:22 +0900 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801c8652a$6a191680$3e4b4380$@net.au> We used SE for years and were happy with it. We run it in conjunction with Spybot and what one didn't pick up the other did. After getting a new computer 6 months ago we put on Adaware 2007 and it seems to be problem free. We haven't noticed any performance problems although we are running a quad channel processor. I just checked while running a scan and it was using between 1 and 2% of capacity. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 7:15 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] spyware OT For many years I have had Ad-aware SE (free addition) installed for spyware. I did this as a recommendation from the list during one of the discussions. SE is no longer available and the free addition is now Ad-aware 2007. I see where the 2007 updater now permanently runs in the background. I noticed on a blog where someone was having trouble with their computer slowing down considerably after installing 2007 and could not speed it up even after deleting much of 2007. I have had good success with SE and no problems incurred. I have not downloaded 2007 yet. Has anyone had any experience with it or are there other recommendations now for free spywhere to take the place of SE. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025 48) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at btes.tv Fri Feb 1 15:41:03 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:41:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've got Ad-aware 2007 running on my PC at work. No complaints. John On Feb 1, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I have > not downloaded 2007 yet. Has anyone had any experience with it or are > there > other recommendations now for free spywhere to take the place of SE. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 1 16:02:38 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:02:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Decision Time In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801300951g7555f573se14535283c206414@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080202000225.XIJB3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Peter, You have worked things out well and I cannot see any flaws in your logic. I cannot see any reason to question your decision but I (personally) would find it very hard to part with most of my engines. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Seriously (for a minute anyway) After more discussions the other evening, and following on from George's posting, we are at the point of deciding on whether to devote more time to the website and engine matters therein, and less on the actual mechanical side of things. I am going to be 62 in February, and while I am still very active, the lugging around of big lumps of iron is starting to take its toll. Like my mate, Reggie, I also had a motorcycle accident (back in the early 1980's) and although I didn't break anything then, the muscles on my left arm and shoulder are starting to give me a fair bit of trouble, as a result of hitting a car that turned across me as I was overtaking him...(wrote off my BMW R100CS as well) Anyway, we wanted to get all the engine Patents and other carb/magneto stuff listed and on the website before I got to the stage where my eyesight wasn't up to doing the volume of computer work required. That implies something like 3-4 years work, and with the other stuff that we have in the queue for the website, I cannot see us having the time to play with the engines AND do the website work. The other problem is the cost of storage. We rent a farm building to house most of the overspill from the workshop and the engine tent outside the house, and that is going to get more expensive soon. That's nearly 1000sq ft altogether. We'll still be around and active on the Lists, but we will wind down the engine collection (about 15 at present) to just the Ruston and the Diter and maybe one of the Cub gennies. The decision is almost made, unless someone can give me a VERY good reason not to do it? Peter From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 1 16:09:45 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:09:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion Message-ID: <20080202000932.WGDS16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I am still beavering away at getting the Austral Register onto a computer database (as well as renovating the house, working long hours, & occasionally working on an engine). A lot of the information is now on the computer which is making maintaining the register a lot easier. I am thinking of putting some of the register data on my web site to make the information more accessible to the engine community. The question is how much should I put on the website? I am thinking of just the engine numbers, hp, style & year. This would allow people to see if their engine is on the register and if the basic details are correct. Is it worth doing this or will my helpfulness be abused? Suggestions and opinions gratefully accepted :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW The Austral Register http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Fri Feb 1 17:06:49 2008 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:06:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <6652011.1201847548732.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6652011.1201847548732.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0241AEE9-2536-4531-A64B-A08C5B49A257@rustyiron.com> Gus - you NEED to come to Portland! *********** See ya, Kelley On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Gus wrote: > Kelly this sounds intersting whats your room no. and how many beers?? > I may have to go to Portland.... > -----Original Message----- >> From: Kelley Garcia >> Sent: Jan 30, 2008 6:42 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects >> >> Arnie, >> you DO realize, that poking me with a stick will have a very negative >> 'impact', come Portland time! Kapish, roomy? >> >> hi Curt and all, >> there will always be unfinished projects! well, until I can pull the >> pin at work anyway.... >> my list has 2 big ones. >> >> I have a '65 mustang that I have partially restored. This car was my >> mom's first new car and my first car when I was 16 and got my >> license. After playing with a car as a teenager is likely to do >> (headers, raised rear suspension to make room for the big L50 tires, >> rims, paint, etc), I thought it time to put it back to stock. >> >> the other project is a 5hp Ottawa drag saw [with saw]. it's stripped >> down and ready for me to start putting it back together again. >> >> what keeps me away from these projects? long hours at work, home >> maintenance, repairs or upgrades, and then Rob bringing home fresh >> projects :-) >> >> But there is no doubt, I will get to them! >> >> >> ********** >> Kelley Garcia >> La habra Kalifornia >> >> >> >> On Jan 30, 2008, at 5:23 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >> >>> Hi Curt, >>> >>> No damn wonder Kelley hasn't piped up. Think about it... >>> The word "unfinished" implies that _sometime_ in the future, the >>> project may be >>> finished. With Ms. Kelley's 'stang... Well, lets just say we'll >>> see the heat >>> death of the universe before THAT project is "finished." 8->>> >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> Quoting Curt : >>> >>>> George, >>>> Several have told of unfinished car stories. Hmmm Kelley hasn't >>>> piped >>>> up! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 1 18:46:00 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:46:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion References: <20080202000932.WGDS16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000501c86545$bee44980$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Patrick What you want to place on the web or any other source is entirely up to you. I guess it is based on what YOU want done with the information, are you wanting to write a book etc etc. Remembering that what goes on the WWW is public domain and you have basically no control over it, (forget copyright) so if in the future your wanting to write a good comprehensive history on Austral keep some secrets to yourself. Again this is your call mate. I have already had some information taken and used by others from my web site, as have others who have published stuff on the Web. I have been criticised by some for not publishing and making more available the info I have on R&V, what I have on R&V is my business and will become everyone's business one day, I promise. I am writing a book on R&V hence me not wanting everything on R&V on my web site. Anyone can copy manuals and pictures from catalogues and print here say, but to get the facts 100% correct takes a lot of time and in some cases money. You are lucky in that you have a register to go off and some surviving company records, I have nothing except old catalogues and I envy you. They do tell part of the story but not enough. You, I and others that run registers have one great thing in common, the fantastic help from enthusiasts and collectors on the two list forums here (ATIS & Oldengin.org) and those members on our registers. Use these people every chance you get, don't think you know it all because just when you think you do something comes along. This has happened to me many times. I wish you well in your venture and adventure on Austral and as an Austral owner I wait eagerly to read what ever you publish on the subject. As for the R&V Book, well guys be patient and I hope we are all still around when I get it out. ;-))) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >I am still beavering away at getting the Austral Register onto a computer > database (as well as renovating the house, working long hours, & > occasionally working on an engine). A lot of the information is now on the > computer which is making maintaining the register a lot easier. > I am thinking of putting some of the register data on my web site to make > the information more accessible to the engine community. The question is > how > much should I put on the website? > I am thinking of just the engine numbers, hp, style & year. This would > allow > people to see if their engine is on the register and if the basic details > are correct. Is it worth doing this or will my helpfulness be abused? > Suggestions and opinions gratefully accepted :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > The Austral Register > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 1 18:59:49 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:59:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Decision Time References: <20080202000225.XIJB3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001501c86547$ad30f790$0601a8c0@altech> Well Peter, you have had advise from around the world, now it is YOUR decision. I find is funny in being a member of the two engine Lists, it seems that the older some of us get the bigger our engines get. Then not long after we get them we are too old to lug them around. The main thing is, you have saved many pieces of old iron from the Chinese steel furnaces, it is now time to find new collectors and hopefully younger ones to take over your obsession and love of old iron. I also thank you for the tireless work on the web site and wish you well with your decision in the future. This year sees me drastically reducing my meagre collection to just a few engine I like, I am over the clutter as well. Don't get me wrong, I am still a rustaholic through and through. Good luck mate from Down Under Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > > Seriously (for a minute anyway) > > After more discussions the other evening, and following on from > George's posting, we are at the point of deciding on whether to devote > more time to the website and engine matters therein, and less on the > actual mechanical side of things. > > I am going to be 62 in February, and while I am still very active, the > lugging around of big lumps of iron is starting to take its toll. Like > my mate, Reggie, I also had a motorcycle accident (back in the early > 1980's) and although I didn't break anything then, the muscles on my > left arm and shoulder are starting to give me a fair bit of trouble, > as a result of hitting a car that turned across me as I was overtaking > him...(wrote off my BMW R100CS as well) > > Anyway, we wanted to get all the engine Patents and other > carb/magneto stuff listed and on the website before I got to the stage > where my eyesight wasn't up to doing the volume of computer work > required. That implies something like 3-4 years work, and with the > other stuff that we have in the queue for the website, I cannot see us > having the time to play with the engines AND do the website work. > > The other problem is the cost of storage. We rent a farm building to > house most of the overspill from the workshop and the engine tent > outside the house, and that is going to get more expensive soon. > That's nearly 1000sq ft altogether. > > We'll still be around and active on the Lists, but we will wind down > the engine collection (about 15 at present) to just the Ruston and the > Diter and maybe one of the Cub gennies. > > The decision is almost made, unless someone can give me a VERY good > reason not to do it? > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 1 18:57:55 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:57:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <20080202000932.WGDS16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080202000932.WGDS16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: > The question is how > much should I put on the website? > I am thinking of just the engine numbers, hp, style & year. > Patrick Why not all of it? Why would you want to keep it from the engine community? Dave From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 1 19:06:39 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:06:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT References: Message-ID: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> I have not liked the FREE Ad-aware SE or Spybot mainly because the Spyware is already in your machine and you have to manually scan for it and remove it. I use Windows Defender (yeah I know it is Microsoft) which live scans and removes without me doing anything. You get what you pay for, you get part of a program and not the entire program with the free ones. Defender I think is now parts of Vista. Your choice Peter, Oz > For many years I have had Ad-aware SE (free addition) installed for > spyware. > I did this as a recommendation from the list during one of the > discussions. > > SE is no longer available and the free addition is now Ad-aware 2007. I > see > where the 2007 updater now permanently runs in the background. I noticed > on a > blog where someone was having trouble with their computer slowing down > considerably after installing 2007 and could not speed it up even after > deleting > much of 2007. I have had good success with SE and no problems incurred. > I have > not downloaded 2007 yet. Has anyone had any experience with it or are > there > other recommendations now for free spywhere to take the place of SE. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 1 19:12:01 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:12:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Podlesak maggy infor wanted please Message-ID: <003001c86549$614f8b00$0601a8c0@altech> Hi guys My mate has a Podlesak magneto that I am trying to get parts for, repro or original. The is no name plate on his and no numbers that are visible. >From one dealer he wants to know if it is a JY or JZ. I do not have a clue. This is where you guys come into the ball game. Do any of you have photos of both or either type of Podlesak magneto so I can tell which one my mate has please. Please send photos to plowe at exemail.com.au and NOT to the LIST. I will keep you all in touch with the out come. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From ottawa at pa.net Fri Feb 1 20:19:56 2008 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:19:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? Message-ID: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Anyone on the List that has a WebShots Photo Account, is the WebShots Site down? Helen From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 1 20:48:40 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 04:48:40 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? References: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <001d01c86556$e4940d80$0dc20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George/Helen Myers" To: "The Sel email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 4:19 AM Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? > Anyone on the List that has a WebShots Photo Account, is the WebShots Site down? > Helen Working fine in UK. My site is below. Whatb is your site address? Dave Croft Warrington http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From antiquejd at fwi.com Fri Feb 1 21:40:10 2008 From: antiquejd at fwi.com (Michael Ostrander) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:40:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <001801c8652a$6a191680$3e4b4380$@net.au> Message-ID: <20080202054030.DBD0644487B@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> I too just installed the new version in the last 8 weeks after having it for a couple of years. Worked well for me. Mike -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray And Erica Freeman Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:30 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] spyware OT We used SE for years and were happy with it. We run it in conjunction with Spybot and what one didn't pick up the other did. After getting a new computer 6 months ago we put on Adaware 2007 and it seems to be problem free. We haven't noticed any performance problems although we are running a quad channel processor. I just checked while running a scan and it was using between 1 and 2% of capacity. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 7:15 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] spyware OT For many years I have had Ad-aware SE (free addition) installed for spyware. I did this as a recommendation from the list during one of the discussions. SE is no longer available and the free addition is now Ad-aware 2007. I see where the 2007 updater now permanently runs in the background. I noticed on a blog where someone was having trouble with their computer slowing down considerably after installing 2007 and could not speed it up even after deleting much of 2007. I have had good success with SE and no problems incurred. I have not downloaded 2007 yet. Has anyone had any experience with it or are there other recommendations now for free spywhere to take the place of SE. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025 48) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: 2/1/2008 9:59 AM From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Feb 1 21:49:06 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:49:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? In-Reply-To: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> References: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080202164848.02197410@ncable.com.au> Helen mine seems to be working fine regards Russell At 03:19 PM 2/02/2008, you wrote: >Anyone on the List that has a WebShots Photo Account, is the >WebShots Site down? > >Helen >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From ottawa at pa.net Fri Feb 1 22:26:58 2008 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:26:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? References: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> <7.0.1.0.1.20080202164848.02197410@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <00ac01c86564$9d3f5e90$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Which version are you running? It was working fine on Thursday but Friday I can't even log on to the main site. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Gilbert To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT WebShots? Helen mine seems to be working fine regards Russell At 03:19 PM 2/02/2008, you wrote: >Anyone on the List that has a WebShots Photo Account, is the >WebShots Site down? > >Helen >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 00:30:16 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:30:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: References: <20080202000932.WGDS16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6f6025160802020030q44e67690xea0ba0174ac6b474@mail.gmail.com> On 02/02/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > > The question is how > > much should I put on the website? > > I am thinking of just the engine numbers, hp, style & year. > > Patrick > > Why not all of it? Why would you want to keep it from the engine > community? > Dave Possibly to prevent abuse of the information. There have been cases in the UK where people have had 'callers' round their houses after information like this was published back in the early days of the preservation movement. It's always a difficult call on exactly what should go into the Public Domain, but I think Patrick has it about right. Not everyone is a gun-toting owner! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 2 03:56:17 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:56:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080202115604.TCZ20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Because I know it will annoy you Dave. What other reason could there be? Patrick Why not all of it? Why would you want to keep it from the engine community? Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 2 04:32:58 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:32:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion Message-ID: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hopefully I have found a middle ground on what to publish to the internet. Owners being tracked down and harassed is one major concern and I will not provide owners details without their express permission. Another problem is the massive amount of information and the confusing nature of some of it. Many of the early records of R-T do not refer to the engine numbers but the owners name or just the locality. Hence to work out which engine is which you have to chase around the records a lot to verify identities. Not really helpful on the website. Another problem is if the information is too readily available, why would an Austral owner bother to contact me? The help that I can give by giving more details on an engine is reciprocated by the Austral owner giving me what details they have of their engine. This all sounds very boring but every little detail helps expand the knowledge of the engines. If I published all the stuff I have on the web how long before it appears on eBay or on someone else's site with their name attached to my work? I hope to make a comprehensive printout of what I have (similar to the previous print runs of the register) in the next 12 months or so. For now I have placed a version of the register on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0208.html Let me know what you all think. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 2 04:14:55 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:14:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <20080202000932.WGDS16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20080202121441.OIA15981.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hopefully I have found a middle ground on what to publish to the internet. Owners being tracked down and harassed is one major concern and I will not provide owners details without their express permission. Another problem is the massive amount of information and the confusing nature of some of it. Many of the early records of R-T do not refer to the engine numbers but the owners name or just the locality. Hence to work out which engine is which you have to chase around the records a lot to verify identities. Not really helpful on the website. Another problem is if the information is too readily available, why would an Austral owner bother to contact me? The help that I can give by giving more details on an engine is reciprocated by the Austral owner giving me what details they have of their engine. This all sounds very boring but every little detail helps expand the knowledge of the engines. If I published all the stuff I have on the web how long before it appears on eBay or on someone else's site with their name attached to my work? I hope to make a comprehensive printout of what I have (similar to the previous print runs of the register) in the next 12 months or so. For now I have placed a version of the register on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0208.html Let me know what you all think. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 04:48:45 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:48:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6f6025160802020448k7be9f012y81bf995a55efd069@mail.gmail.com> On 02/02/2008, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > If I published all the stuff I have on the web how long before it appears on > eBay or on someone else's site with their name attached to my work? Not long in our experience. Genuine engine guys don't rip off stuff and re-sell it on a CD, but we have had a lot of 'others' who have tried to sell copies of information on ebay, not just from our website either. Since we started using Digimarc Digital Signature on all our images, we have been successful in stopping quite a few ripoff merchants as the images are traceable back to us. A few 'extras' in the HTML code, nothing special, just a bit of stuff that doesn't show on the page, also helps to make it easily traceable. Sad that we have to do it, but that's how things are. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Feb 2 06:55:39 2008 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:55:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Hi Patrick, I've been maintaining a few engine registries myself and it is lots of work, sometimes rewarding and often frustrating. I believe in sharing the info with others, otherwise I would not bother doing it but then I have no intention of writing books. Last July I became the owner of a couple Stickney engines and was surprise that so little was known or could be found about them, so I started a Stickney registry and I added several other pages on Stickney stuff as the info was past along to me. The Stickney registry and Stickney pages can be seen here: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/000index.html Several Stickney owners have been very generous and helpful to me during this whole project so I felt the need to share this information. Denis Rouleau For now I have placed a version of the register on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0208.html Let me know what you all think. Patrick From johnculp at btes.tv Sat Feb 2 07:39:15 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:39:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> Yep. I use Defender, too. It gets some things Adaware doesn't, and vice versa. John On Feb 1, 2008, at 10:06 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > I use Windows Defender (yeah I know it is Microsoft) which live scans > and > removes without me doing anything. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 2 08:08:11 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:08:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> Message-ID: <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just fine. Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. Rob On Feb 2, 2008, at 7:39 AM, John Culp wrote: > Yep. I use Defender, too. It gets some things Adaware doesn't, and > vice > versa. From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 2 09:04:24 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:04:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: Hi Denis, VERY nicely done. It's always great when a person acknowledges the help he has had from others in the hobby and is willing to "give back" to the rest of us what he has learned! Your "layout" is great and I, especially, like that you have given some idea where the engines are located (ie state, country, etc.) I'll now get back to the Stickney page and browse some more! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Feb 2, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Denis Rouleau wrote: > Hi Patrick, I've been maintaining a few engine registries myself > and it is lots of work, > sometimes rewarding and often frustrating. I believe in sharing the > info with others, > otherwise I would not bother doing it but then I have no intention > of writing books. > Last July I became the owner of a couple Stickney engines and was > surprise that > so little was known or could be found about them, so I started a > Stickney registry > and I added several other pages on Stickney stuff as the info was > past along to me. > The Stickney registry and Stickney pages can be seen here: > http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/000index.html > Several Stickney owners have been very generous and helpful to me > during this > whole project so I felt the need to share this information. > Denis Rouleau From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Sat Feb 2 09:11:05 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:11:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: Hi Patrick,I remember some years ago a magazine encouraging readers to give details to a certain engine register of their engines,assuring them that no details would ever be disclosed !! I wondered then what ever was the use of the register?I believe it's still going but never seen any information ever released . John> From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:55:39 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Register Opinion> > Hi Patrick, I've been maintaining a few engine registries myself and it is lots of work,> sometimes rewarding and often frustrating. I believe in sharing the info with others,> otherwise I would not bother doing it but then I have no intention of writing books.> Last July I became the owner of a couple Stickney engines and was surprise that> so little was known or could be found about them, so I started a Stickney registry> and I added several other pages on Stickney stuff as the info was past along to me.> The Stickney registry and Stickney pages can be seen here:> http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/000index.html > Several Stickney owners have been very generous and helpful to me during this> whole project so I felt the need to share this information. > Denis Rouleau> For now I have placed a version of the register on my site at:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0208.html> Let me know what you all think.> Patrick> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 10:06:07 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:06:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160802021006n353e4d93w9833aadb27c7c533@mail.gmail.com> On 02/02/2008, Rob Skinner wrote: > > I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just fine. > Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. > > Rob > A lot depends on where you go on the net and what kind of firewall you have in your modem. We've been running a trial on our machines to see what effect NOT having AV and Spyware software has on the system. So far, the Anti-Virus hasn't been missed at all, but the anti-spyware does seem to collect the odd bits and pieces, particularly in the Registry. We use a 2Wire 2700HGV business modem at home and the factory, and that has got a decent firewall. Before that we used Zone Alarm Pro. The problem is that too many cooks spoil the system, and we found that a couple of these programmes were fighting for system resources and completely screwed up the start-up in the morning, which could take up to 5 minutes. Once removed, we have a 40-second startup, and we kept the Registry Cleaner. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 2 11:30:38 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:30:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160802021006n353e4d93w9833aadb27c7c533@mail.gmail.com> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> <6f6025160802021006n353e4d93w9833aadb27c7c533@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6309D43C-973E-46A9-A26D-71DC01293FD3@alltel.net> On Feb 2, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 02/02/2008, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >> I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just >> fine. >> Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. >> >> Rob > > A lot depends on where you go on the net and what kind of firewall you > have in your modem. > Peter What Rob is telling you Peter, is that if you have a good 'puter you don't need a condom on it! Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 12:45:32 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:45:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <6309D43C-973E-46A9-A26D-71DC01293FD3@alltel.net> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> <6f6025160802021006n353e4d93w9833aadb27c7c533@mail.gmail.com> <6309D43C-973E-46A9-A26D-71DC01293FD3@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160802021245t7f02cedapa7a059e8876abaf8@mail.gmail.com> On 02/02/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > On Feb 2, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > On 02/02/2008, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> > >> I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just > >> fine. > >> Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. > >> > >> Rob > > > > A lot depends on where you go on the net and what kind of firewall you > > have in your modem. > > > Peter > > What Rob is telling you Peter, is that if you have a good 'puter you > don't need a condom on it! > Dave I could make a remark on computers and condoms, but there may be ladies around! :-)) Fixed your Portland Countdown yet BTW?? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 13:20:25 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:20:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Schebler Carburettors - English Patent 19280 23/09/1905 Message-ID: <6f6025160802021320v6d25824bh4982e80d70235e6f@mail.gmail.com> Got about 280 Patent pages scanned today, and a few of them were quite interesting, enough to stop work for a while! The one under my scanner right now is Patent 19280 dates 23rd September 1905 for one G.M. Schebler. I do not know if this is his first UK patent, as I haven't started at the beginning, in 1877, I started with the volume in the worst condition which was 1905-1908. I can't attach the image file right now, but I will put the page up later on so that anyone interested can have a look. It is the typical Schebler carburettor, but as it is so detailed in the Patent, I assume he is putting it under Patent protection for the first time. Does anyone know when Schebler started making carbs? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From johnculp at btes.tv Sat Feb 2 13:56:42 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:56:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160802021245t7f02cedapa7a059e8876abaf8@mail.gmail.com> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> <6f6025160802021006n353e4d93w9833aadb27c7c533@mail.gmail.com> <6309D43C-973E-46A9-A26D-71DC01293FD3@alltel.net> <6f6025160802021245t7f02cedapa7a059e8876abaf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At home I don't need any of that spyware or virus software stuff. I just keep this by my computer and it knows to behave: http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g166/SlidePicker/BiggerHammer1.jpg John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 2 15:05:21 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:05:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: Just to chime in on this subject... Registries are great, but of limited value if data is withheld. For instance, if Stickney number 2627 was a five horse and still exists, who cares? But if 2627 is a five horse and owned by Denis, then another owner of a five has a valuable resource in the event he needs to compare engine characteristics. I'm skeptical of the belief that there are gangs of rogue thieves roaming the countryside, examining engine registries in order to plan their next heist. Here's the start of a really nice engine registry. Each entry has a thumbnail picture, the owner, contact information, and a link to more information on each engine. I say "start," because I KNOW that this bloke has ten times the information seen here, but the hottie who does his web authoring is VERY difficult to motivate. Note to keeper of this registry: buy her some shiny baubles so we can see more data. Rob From alharris44 at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 15:37:29 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:37:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <47A4FEB9.2010204@gmail.com> Some weaselly, sneaky thief has done stoled the URL. :-P Al Ha#@*^ Somewhere. Rob Skinner wrote: > Just to chime in on this subject... > > Registries are great, but of limited value if data is withheld. For > instance, if Stickney number 2627 was a five horse and still exists, > who cares? But if 2627 is a five horse and owned by Denis, then > another owner of a five has a valuable resource in the event he needs > to compare engine characteristics. > > I'm skeptical of the belief that there are gangs of rogue thieves > roaming the countryside, examining engine registries in order to plan > their next heist. > > Here's the start of a really nice engine registry. Each entry has a > thumbnail picture, the owner, contact information, and a link to more > information on each engine. I say "start," because I KNOW that this > bloke has ten times the information seen here, but the hottie who does > his web authoring is VERY difficult to motivate. > > Note to keeper of this registry: buy her some shiny baubles so we can > see more data. > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 2 16:23:18 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:23:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080203002303.DEBD20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> The policy of not publishing names without permission was started by the original keeper of the register and I do not have the time or resources to change it. Nobody on the register has given permission for their names to be published on the internet so they will not be published on the internet. The Austral register has been printed a number of times over the years and many hundreds of collectors have copies so it is not being kept a secret (and as I have stated a number of times will be printed again). As well as being printed out over the years there have been a number of articles in TOMM derived from the register details (and hopefully many more to come). A lot of collectors (rightly or wrongly) are very protective of their collections and I respect that. Respecting that privacy has allowed me in to see some pretty rare & special engines over the years that are never seen out of their sheds. I personally know of people who have hunted down an engine (and harassed the owner to buy it) with no more information than the locality it is in. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 2 16:43:17 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:43:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1201999397.47a50e2590159@webmail.city-net.com> WOT???? No "get a Mac" pitch? I'm shocked... 8-)) Quoting Rob Skinner : > I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just fine. > Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 2 17:01:32 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:01:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Schebler Carburettors - English Patent 19280 23/09/1905 In-Reply-To: <6f6025160802021320v6d25824bh4982e80d70235e6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160802021320v6d25824bh4982e80d70235e6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202000492.47a5126c780a1@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Peter, Are you also doing a conversion to text the way the Google did with their patents so that your patent collection will be searchable? That probably wouldn't add much time as long as you did it automatically and didn't try to go back and cleanup the enevitable errors. See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > Got about 280 Patent pages scanned today, and a few of them were quite > interesting, enough to stop work for a while! From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 2 17:39:24 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:39:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <20080203002303.DEBD20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080203002303.DEBD20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <1202002764.47a51b4cea733@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, The approach that I'm taking with the Lorenz & Benz registry is if the info is already in the public domain, mearly moving it around in the public domain isn't an issue. Where I get info for the register from collectors while viewing their collection privately, I ask permission to include it and respect their wishes regarding my request, be it yea or nay. Here's a couple of examples... Bloke has his engine on display at Portland, name & city & state on the display card with the engine. That's public domain. Bloke advertises his engine on eBay or Harry's or other and provides details. That's also public domain. Info is published in a paper register that is available free for the asking (or for a nominal fee for copy & postage costs) that's also public domain. If a collector is paranoid about a thief in the night or a harassing collector seeking him out, his info won't be in the public domain in the first place. See ya, Arnie Quoting Patrick M Livingstone : > The policy of not publishing names without permission was started by the > original keeper of the register and I do not have the time or resources to > change it. Nobody on the register has given permission for their names to be > published on the internet so they will not be published on the internet. > The Austral register has been printed a number of times over the years and > many hundreds of collectors have copies so it is not being kept a secret > (and as I have stated a number of times will be printed again). As well as > being printed out over the years there have been a number of articles in > TOMM derived from the register details (and hopefully many more to come). > > A lot of collectors (rightly or wrongly) are very protective of their > collections and I respect that. Respecting that privacy has allowed me in to > see some pretty rare & special engines over the years that are never seen > out of their sheds. > I personally know of people who have hunted down an engine (and harassed the > owner to buy it) with no more information than the locality it is in. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 17:51:33 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:51:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: <47A00D9F.1020102@telenet.net> Message-ID: <695663.81212.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Steve No it isn't. The engine is different. Mine doesn't have that Disston cast into it. It also looks like the parts on the Helper End are different too. Thanks for the link though. Alan Bowen "Steve W." wrote: Alan, Is that one like the current 160203486702 on sleezebay? -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept Alan Bowen wrote: > I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury engine. > I bought it from a list member here. > It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end. > Thanks, for this topic too, > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 17:55:44 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:55:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <738320.82227.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Luke. I forgot Bob came over and played too. Bob is an antique boat motor collector. He is the one that told me what Mercury boat motor fuel filter to ask for to get the right one for that Mercury saw engine. Alan Bowen Luke Tonneberger wrote: Hi Alan, I remember it well. Here are a couple pictures of the fun. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck03/buck03-1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck03/buck03-2.jpgLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA =============================> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:17:35 -0800> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw> > I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury engine. > I bought it from a list member here.> It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end.> > I forget who I bought that from, but at the time I emailed him and he said that cover was in a shed somewhere, but he would have to wait until Winter to dig for it because that shed was full of bees, wasps, hornets or something????> > Well,,,,, That has been several Winters ago and I have not heard anything from him. Bummer too,,,, I think that saw was supposed to be complete.> All those emails about this saw were on my WebTv and got dumped suddenly.> > Soon as I got that saw home I took it to the next Buckley Old Engine Show as a stuck non-runner with the recoil rope hanging out of a messed up recoil unit.> > It took just a couple hours to loosen it up and get it running. What a cool sound.> Loud and cool that is. Three of the folks that were standing around watching us work on it put their hands over their ears and left fast.> Several other folks came in a hurry to see what was making that beautiful sound. 8>))> IIRC It was my good friend Bill Wright and our own Luke Tonneberger that were there with me knocking it loose and repairing the recoil.> There it sits now because I will not put a chain on it until I get that part. 8>((> > Now,,, Who did I buy it from?> If you are out there please send me a note off list.> IIRC someone else brought it to me at either Portland or Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell. If that great person reads this please email me off list and let me know who it came from.> Thanks, for this topic too, > > Alan Bowen> Williamsburg, Michigan _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 2 17:56:03 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:56:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <47A4FEB9.2010204@gmail.com> References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <47A4FEB9.2010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Al Harris wrote: > Some weaselly, sneaky thief has done stoled the URL. :-P > > Al Ha#@*^ > Somewhere. Hi Al, I wasn't sure if atis stripped the url. It does. Here it is again in regular old text: http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/registry.htm Cut, paste, click, copy, etch-a-sketch. Whatever works for you. Rob From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Feb 2 18:06:08 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:06:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech><2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv><83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> <1201999397.47a50e2590159@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000901c86609$577a49b0$0601a8c0@altech> There are two Kalifornian's who assume the whole world uses MAC !!!! well it is a separate country and there is not much outside of Kalifornia, is there ;-))) > WOT???? No "get a Mac" pitch? I'm shocked... 8-)) > > Quoting Rob Skinner : > >> I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just fine. >> Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 18:17:16 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:17:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: <009201c863b2$11f11580$dad14c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <480412.35301.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice comments, John. I also have another engine for one that is practically identical. It was given to me and came with the original manual. It looks like I am missing a part that is cast aluminum and would take a machine shop to make. Loud it is, but the sound is great. It is not really how loud it is as much as it is the tone. A truly sweet deep revving sound. Alan Bowen John Hall wrote: Don't know which model you have but the older ones merely had a sheet metal cover over the sprocket. It wouldn't take a lot to make one so you could "play". Watch the hand clutch--you'll never be able to reach it before you get kicked if the log decides to bite. If you think that one is loud, you'd better get some ear plugs before you add to your collection as Mercury's are pretty quiet. The one man saws are the worst. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw >I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury >engine. > I bought it from a list member here. > It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end. > > I forget who I bought that from, but at the time I emailed him and he said > that cover was in a shed somewhere, but he would have to wait until Winter > to dig for it because that shed was full of bees, wasps, hornets or > something???? > > Well,,,,, That has been several Winters ago and I have not heard anything > from him. Bummer too,,,, I think that saw was supposed to be complete. > All those emails about this saw were on my WebTv and got dumped suddenly. > > Soon as I got that saw home I took it to the next Buckley Old Engine Show > as a stuck non-runner with the recoil rope hanging out of a messed up > recoil unit. > > It took just a couple hours to loosen it up and get it running. What a > cool sound. > Loud and cool that is. Three of the folks that were standing around > watching us work on it put their hands over their ears and left fast. > Several other folks came in a hurry to see what was making that beautiful > sound. 8>)) > IIRC It was my good friend Bill Wright and our own Luke Tonneberger that > were there with me knocking it loose and repairing the recoil. > There it sits now because I will not put a chain on it until I get that > part. 8>(( > > Now,,, Who did I buy it from? > If you are out there please send me a note off list. > IIRC someone else brought it to me at either Portland or Lincoln Tucker's > Show & Tell. If that great person reads this please email me off list > and let me know who it came from. > Thanks, for this topic too, > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From alharris44 at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 18:57:58 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:57:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <47A4FEB9.2010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A52DB6.6060107@gmail.com> Rob Skinner wrote: > On Feb 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Al Harris wrote: > >> Some weaselly, sneaky thief has done stoled the URL. :-P >> >> Al Ha#@*^ >> Somewhere. > > > Hi Al, > I wasn't sure if atis stripped the url. It does. > Here it is again in regular old text: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/registry.htm > > Cut, paste, click, copy, etch-a-sketch. Whatever works for you. > > Rob > All of the above. We all thank you. :-) lA sirraH From jbcast at charter.net Sat Feb 2 19:07:04 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:07:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Schebler Carburettors - English Patent 19280 23/09/1905 In-Reply-To: <6f6025160802021320v6d25824bh4982e80d70235e6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080202220704.G8OAQ.823854.root@fepweb05> > > Does anyone know when Schebler started making carbs? > > Peter > -- The Schebler model D has a 1902 patent date on it, I wouldn't have thoout it was his first, but a quick search didn't turn up any earlier patents. Try google patent, searchSchebler 1902. J.B. Castagnos From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 2 19:20:02 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:20:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <20080203002303.DEBD20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080203002303.DEBD20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <06D38A67-2B3F-45A2-8D2B-5DC58943EC49@alltel.net> Hi Patrick, Please feel free to "publish" my name and address in everything that you RE-produce--in print, on line, or in any (and ALL) way possible. Unlike the people that you "know" I have no worries about anyone who would HUNT me down and ask to buy any of my engines. Nor do I worry a lot about being "harassed." This may simply be a cultural thing--here in the USA we simply don't worry about such things because we are not afraid of the dark. However, I really doubt that it is cultural, because those from OZ whom I have met are not afraid of the dark either! Dave PS, Keep your fences up and your national heritage (including information on the same) at home! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Feb 2, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > The policy of not publishing names without permission was started > by the > original keeper of the register and I do not have the time or > resources to > change it. Nobody on the register has given permission for their > names to be > published on the internet so they will not be published on the > internet. > The Austral register has been printed a number of times over the > years and > many hundreds of collectors have copies so it is not being kept a > secret > (and as I have stated a number of times will be printed again). As > well as > being printed out over the years there have been a number of > articles in > TOMM derived from the register details (and hopefully many more to > come). > > A lot of collectors (rightly or wrongly) are very protective of their > collections and I respect that. Respecting that privacy has allowed > me in to > see some pretty rare & special engines over the years that are > never seen > out of their sheds. > I personally know of people who have hunted down an engine (and > harassed the > owner to buy it) with no more information than the locality it is in. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 2 21:05:35 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:05:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <000901c86609$577a49b0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech><2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv><83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> <1201999397.47a50e2590159@webmail.city-net.com> <000901c86609$577a49b0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <41675119-B867-4ADD-AF29-DF810BD09E3A@rustyiron.com> On Feb 2, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > There are two Kalifornian's who assume the whole world uses MAC !!!! > well it > is a separate country and there is not much outside of Kalifornia, > is there > ;-))) ...says the man who makes his living off the confusion of Windows users. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Feb 2 21:12:42 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 16:12:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <47A54D4A.4000809@steamengine.com.au> Depends what you do with your computer - if you go to web pages and have all the scripting (e.g. Java) turned off then really nothing can touch you. If you never open anything attached to an email other than pictures (jpg, gif) then again nothing can really touch you. Most of what spyware software finds is bullshit anyway - big deal you've got some cookie on your computer or something in your registry left over from busted software verison X. Do you know what a cookie is? It is a little file with about 20 bytes of data designed to allow website X to know you've been there before. Sometimes rude website Y will look for website X's cookie and they know you've been there. Big Deal. What is a registry entry? Can it hurt you? No. It is like the win.ini file of old except that it is a central repository - it is nothing but a series of key/value pairs. Programs store data there that is needed from one run of the program to another. The worst that happens is that your registry fills up with so much shit that it fails. This used to happen regularly, but I've never heard of it happening since XP SP2. The only way spyware can hurt you is when it runs on your computer - to get there YOU must have installed it or ran something else that installed without your knowledge. Do you ever read the fine print on the "free" software you downloaded and installed? You should. Understand what you're agreeing to when you press that button. On the other hand, if you download and open things like software, word documents, power point presentations, emails with attached scripts then you better have a virus scanner or you'll be dead sooner or later- or worse, you'll becoming a diving board for malicious software to do nasty things like attack some other computer (isolating the real culprit - you get blamed) or sending spam to all the addresses in your inbox. Yes, Rob - I know you use a Mac and while the Mac is based on Unix these days so is considerably better, you're a fool if you run nothing. Even on my unix systems I run AV. It is mostly use to scan all incoming and outgoing mail long before windows gets near it. Anti Spyware software? Nope. Anti Virus? Yep. If you don't want a scanner to live on your computer, then use Trend-Micro. The scanner downloads when YOU run a scan and leaves nothing lurking to eat resources. Regards Paul Rob Skinner wrote: > I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just fine. > Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. > > Rob > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 2 22:58:41 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:58:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <1202002764.47a51b4cea733@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Arnie, When over 1000 entries in the register were not made by me it is very time consuming to go through it all and work out where it all came from. I do not have the time to do this at the moment. Yes if it is in the public domain it is in the public domain. I hope to be able to link the numbers to the many pictures I have on my site but again it will take time as I am not retired and full time job and other interests do require a bit of time. As John Palmer has noted, some registries never see the light of day. Others get lost due to various circumstances. The Austral register would have ended a year ago if I had not taken over and I am doing my best to keep it available. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 01:29:55 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 09:29:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Schebler Carburettors - English Patent 19280 23/09/1905 In-Reply-To: <1202000492.47a5126c780a1@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6f6025160802021320v6d25824bh4982e80d70235e6f@mail.gmail.com> <1202000492.47a5126c780a1@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160802030129r2ae44439v615f2d1ffa394306@mail.gmail.com> On 03/02/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Are you also doing a conversion to text the way the Google did with their > patents so that your patent collection will be searchable? That probably > wouldn't add much time as long as you did it automatically and didn't try to go > back and cleanup the enevitable errors. > > See ya, Arnie You will have the full Subject Matter and Names indices, and a full individual page listing with the Patent number(s) covered on each page. Take a look at this page: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Patents7/ABPatent2.htm I am just revising the Subject Matter and Names indices to put the start and finish subjects on-screen, so you'll be able to see straight-off where the person or subject will be. You can look up then by Person, which gives you the Patent(s) that he or she has against his/her name, by Subject Matter which also gives Patent No's or if you know the Patent Number already, then you just scroll through the big list for the page with that Patent on it. I can't make it much simpler without a LOT more work! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 02:32:42 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:32:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Schebler Carburettors - English Patent 19280 23/09/1905 In-Reply-To: <1202000492.47a5126c780a1@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6f6025160802021320v6d25824bh4982e80d70235e6f@mail.gmail.com> <1202000492.47a5126c780a1@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160802030232q242061f4o711339bf10448d4@mail.gmail.com> On 03/02/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Are you also doing a conversion to text the way the Google did with their > patents so that your patent collection will be searchable? That probably > wouldn't add much time as long as you did it automatically and didn't try to go > back and cleanup the enevitable errors. > > See ya, Arnie Forgot to mention that the Names and Subject-Matter indices are both fully working, all the page scans have been in place since 2005, I have just finished the menu revisions to show start and finish subject for each page. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 3 06:50:35 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 09:50:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <5A7DACCE-2562-45FD-B49A-491520E537C0@alltel.net> > The Austral register would have ended > a year ago if I had not taken over and I am doing my best to keep it > available. > Patrick Those of us who own Australs and have a copy of the register do appreciate your efforts in keeping it going and up to date! Dave From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Feb 3 07:54:31 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 09:54:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need pick-up/transportation from Apple Valley, CA. In-Reply-To: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Group: If we can figure out how to pick-up and transport it from Apple Valley, California (East of L.A.) to Port St. Joe, Florida (in the Florida Panhandle), Frank will purchase a Guiberson 9-cylinder radial Diesel engine for me to restore. This engine is on a stand so it only needs to be boomed down and covered for the trip. If someone's on their way East from the Left Coast with a truck, they could make some change doing the move for us. Alternatively (and not the best idea because of possible damage), if someone can pick the engine up and get it to a trucking company to be hauled here, that would work, too. I think a hydraulic lift gate truck would be necessary because I have no way to unload it. It's almost a straight shot. Get on I-10 and go East to the U.S. 231 exit in Florida then go South to Panama City and then East on U.S. 98 to Port St. Joe. Please let me know. Thanks! Take care - Elden From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Feb 3 11:06:12 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:06:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <1202002764.47a51b4cea733@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20080203002303.DEBD20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <1202002764.47a51b4cea733@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: HI Arnie, I guess that thief in the night has done gone and stole my Lorenz right off your registry! Sad Steve> > If a collector is paranoid about a thief in the night or a harassing collector> seeking him out, his info won't be in the public domain in the first place.> > See ya, Arnie> > _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Feb 4 00:02:11 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:02:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion References: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Patrick, for those of us that own an Austral and the rest that wish they did, it looks like you are doing a great job. I have a copy of the last print out from Peter Wilcock and look forward to seeing where you are going with it now. As long as peoples privacy wishes are maintained the more in the pubic domain the better. It was a shame to see what happened to the Hornsby register a few years back when it was taken off the Steam Engine of Australia website - due to the wishes of the new custodian of that info not Paul's. Fortunately I snuck a copy (for personal research purposes naturally) from the Google cache just after it was taken off - phew? Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: Cc: "'Stationary Engine ATIS List'" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Register Opinion > Hi Arnie, > When over 1000 entries in the register were not made by me it is > very time consuming to go through it all and work out where it all came > from. I do not have the time to do this at the moment. Yes if it is in the > public domain it is in the public domain. I hope to be able to link the > numbers to the many pictures I have on my site but again it will take time > as I am not retired and full time job and other interests do require a bit > of time. > As John Palmer has noted, some registries never see the light of day. > Others > get lost due to various circumstances. The Austral register would have > ended > a year ago if I had not taken over and I am doing my best to keep it > available. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 01:51:08 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:51:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> References: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <6f6025160802040151u35eeae6aqc366299736b47c10@mail.gmail.com> On 04/02/2008, Michael Young wrote: > Patrick, for those of us that own an Austral and the rest that wish they > did, it looks like you are doing a great job. I have a copy of the last > print out from Peter Wilcock and look forward to seeing where you are going > with it now. As long as peoples privacy wishes are maintained the more in > the pubic domain the better. It was a shame to see what happened to the > Hornsby register a few years back when it was taken off the Steam Engine of > Australia website - due to the wishes of the new custodian of that info not > Paul's. Fortunately I snuck a copy (for personal research purposes > naturally) from the Google cache just after it was taken off - phew? > > Michael Young The Hornsby register information is not something that I knew about, but most engine information can be obtained from Ray Hooley, who holds the works records for Ruston & Hornsby, I assume that he has the Richard Hornsby stuff as well. Ray is getting on in years now, he must be in his 70's, but he still keeps up a good service for engine owners. After all the hassles of the house move last year, he is taking a well-earned break. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Feb 4 08:08:55 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:08:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> References: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <2642EDC3-E588-443D-A51C-F26BC62C677C@rustyiron.com> On Feb 4, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Michael Young wrote: > Patrick, for those of us that own an Austral and the rest that wish > they > did, it looks like you are doing a great job. I have a copy of the > last > print out from Peter Wilcock and look forward to seeing where you > are going > with it now. As long as peoples privacy wishes are maintained the > more in > the pubic domain the better. It was a shame to see what happened to > the > Hornsby register a few years back when it was taken off the Steam > Engine of > Australia website - due to the wishes of the new custodian of that > info not > Paul's. Fortunately I snuck a copy (for personal research purposes > naturally) from the Google cache just after it was taken off - phew? > > Michael Young > 5 Beech Crescent > Orange NSW 2800 > AUSTRALIA > http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines Hi Michael, Would you mind shooting a copy of that list this way? I promise I won't use it to telephone you in the middle of the night and talk dirty. Honest. I've been checking out your pictures. That Allan is sweet. Rob From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Feb 4 19:09:50 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:09:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw References: <480412.35301.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b501c867a4$933e99f0$88d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Try this site: www.acresinternet.com Look up Disston saws and click on model KB6AY--I believe this is similar to what you have--the name plate should be on top of the engine on your saw. There are a couple pictures of the saw so you might be able to get an idea of how the door was made. If you look carefully you can see the sliding bolt type latch that kept it closed. >From your photo I see you figured out the magneto must have been the first piece they bolted on at the factory! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw > Nice comments, John. > I also have another engine for one that is practically identical. > It was given to me and came with the original manual. > It looks like I am missing a part that is cast aluminum and would take a > machine shop to make. > Loud it is, but the sound is great. It is not really how loud it is as > much as it is the tone. A truly sweet deep revving sound. > Alan Bowen > > John Hall wrote: Don't know which model you have > but the older ones merely had a sheet metal > cover over the sprocket. It wouldn't take a lot to make one so you could > "play". Watch the hand clutch--you'll never be able to reach it before you > get kicked if the log decides to bite. > > If you think that one is loud, you'd better get some ear plugs before you > add to your collection as Mercury's are pretty quiet. The one man saws are > the worst. > > John Hall > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Bowen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw > > >>I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury >>engine. >> I bought it from a list member here. >> It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end. >> >> I forget who I bought that from, but at the time I emailed him and he >> said >> that cover was in a shed somewhere, but he would have to wait until >> Winter >> to dig for it because that shed was full of bees, wasps, hornets or >> something???? >> >> Well,,,,, That has been several Winters ago and I have not heard >> anything >> from him. Bummer too,,,, I think that saw was supposed to be complete. >> All those emails about this saw were on my WebTv and got dumped suddenly. >> >> Soon as I got that saw home I took it to the next Buckley Old Engine Show >> as a stuck non-runner with the recoil rope hanging out of a messed up >> recoil unit. >> >> It took just a couple hours to loosen it up and get it running. What a >> cool sound. >> Loud and cool that is. Three of the folks that were standing around >> watching us work on it put their hands over their ears and left fast. >> Several other folks came in a hurry to see what was making that beautiful >> sound. 8>)) >> IIRC It was my good friend Bill Wright and our own Luke Tonneberger that >> were there with me knocking it loose and repairing the recoil. >> There it sits now because I will not put a chain on it until I get that >> part. 8>(( >> >> Now,,, Who did I buy it from? >> If you are out there please send me a note off list. >> IIRC someone else brought it to me at either Portland or Lincoln >> Tucker's >> Show & Tell. If that great person reads this please email me off list >> and let me know who it came from. >> Thanks, for this topic too, >> >> Alan Bowen >> Williamsburg, Michigan >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Feb 4 23:53:34 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:53:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion References: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> <6f6025160802040151u35eeae6aqc366299736b47c10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701c867cc$36217210$0301a8c0@Young1203> The local register is an assemblage of info for the Aussie engines only. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Register Opinion > On 04/02/2008, Michael Young wrote: >> Patrick, for those of us that own an Austral and the rest that wish they >> did, it looks like you are doing a great job. I have a copy of the last >> print out from Peter Wilcock and look forward to seeing where you are >> going >> with it now. As long as peoples privacy wishes are maintained the more >> in >> the pubic domain the better. It was a shame to see what happened to the >> Hornsby register a few years back when it was taken off the Steam Engine >> of >> Australia website - due to the wishes of the new custodian of that info >> not >> Paul's. Fortunately I snuck a copy (for personal research purposes >> naturally) from the Google cache just after it was taken off - phew? >> >> Michael Young > > The Hornsby register information is not something that I knew about, > but most engine information can be obtained from Ray Hooley, who holds > the works records for Ruston & Hornsby, I assume that he has the > Richard Hornsby stuff as well. > > Ray is getting on in years now, he must be in his 70's, but he still > keeps up a good service for engine owners. After all the hassles of > the house move last year, he is taking a well-earned break. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 02:50:26 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:50:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <000701c867cc$36217210$0301a8c0@Young1203> References: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> <6f6025160802040151u35eeae6aqc366299736b47c10@mail.gmail.com> <000701c867cc$36217210$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <6f6025160802050250y645a6aebx392367a398a56d80@mail.gmail.com> On 05/02/2008, Michael Young wrote: > The local register is an assemblage of info for the Aussie engines only. > > OK, thanks for that, Mike, does Ray Hooley have your contact details? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 5 07:29:22 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:29:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show Message-ID: <98619EB8-A53D-488F-AC79-A582E20C30DB@alltel.net> Hi All, Who will be at the Zolfo, FL Show (Feb. 27-March 2nd?) I plan to arrive at the park on Tuesday the 26th. I'm in Ex #6 (my usual spot right near the registration building) and Glenn Karch will be showing with me. How about two picture sessions? One on Friday and a second on Saturday--both at high noon. (With two sessions we can be sure to get everyone in.) Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 5 08:21:29 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:21:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: <00b501c867a4$933e99f0$88d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <971935.36731.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the link, John. Wrong model though,,, Kinda,,,, My chain saw is a KB7AY 11HP. The other power head that was given to me is the same model. I do see the painted up KB7AY shown on that page is just like mine right down to the missing cover. ????? A flat cover will not clear the bolt through the pulley that the chain goes around. However the diagram showing a "KB7AY" has a completely different helper end. That one would have an oil pump on the engine for bar oil. Yes, My helper end does look more like the one used on the KB6AY. I have been thinking about building a go-cart for my extra engine. An 11HP, 2 cycle engine revving to 4000 RPM should be a fun engine on a go-cart. 8>)) I guess it was a combination of the built in clutch and the cool sound that gave me the go-cart idea. Next time I have one of them running I will measure the idle RPM. I STILL would love to know who I bought this saw from. I am thinking it came from either Wisconsin or Iowa. !!!!!!!!!!! I just called David Salyer. He is the man I brought with me that was such great help at Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell Corn Shelling Display. Seeing Luke's 2003 Buckley pictures showing my saw I figured I MUST have picked this saw up on May 2, 2003 at the show & tell. Lucky me,,,, David remembers me getting it then. David grew up holding the helper end of a saw just like it. All I can remember picking up down there is a Foley Saw Filer that Dave Rotigel picked up for me in PA. Anyway,,,,, Since I got it down there I now am sure it was Nels Jonsered (SP) That picked it up and brought it to me. It seems like Nels also had a man with him when he grabbed it. Does anyone have contact info for Nels? GOP4ever@??????? Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan John Hall wrote: Try this site: www.acresinternet.com Look up Disston saws and click on model KB6AY--I believe this is similar to what you have--the name plate should be on top of the engine on your saw. There are a couple pictures of the saw so you might be able to get an idea of how the door was made. If you look carefully you can see the sliding bolt type latch that kept it closed. >From your photo I see you figured out the magneto must have been the first piece they bolted on at the factory! John Hall --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Feb 5 13:27:59 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:27:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? In-Reply-To: <00ac01c86564$9d3f5e90$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> References: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> <7.0.1.0.1.20080202164848.02197410@ncable.com.au> <00ac01c86564$9d3f5e90$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080206082627.021c3458@ncable.com.au> Hi Helen, sorry for the delayed reply. Just been a little caught up with work. My Webshots is the paid version and I guess the latest up grade from about 6 months ago?? I don't know if that helps at all. I can't find anything to actually tell me what vesion it is. regards Russell At 05:26 PM 2/02/2008, you wrote: >Which version are you running? > >It was working fine on Thursday but Friday I can't even log on to >the main site. > >Helen > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Russell Gilbert > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT WebShots? > > > Helen mine seems to be working fine > regards Russell > > > At 03:19 PM 2/02/2008, you wrote: > >Anyone on the List that has a WebShots Photo Account, is the > >WebShots Site down? > > > >Helen > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Feb 5 14:04:51 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:04:51 EST Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show Message-ID: In a message dated 2/5/2008 10:26:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: Who will be at the Zolfo, FL Show Dave, Sorry to say Millie and I will not be able to attend this year. Too much in life going on at the moment. We sure enjoyed it last year. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 5 14:45:34 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:45:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom, Damn, Tell Millie that I'm sure going to miss her! Dave PS, You too! On Feb 5, 2008, at 5:04 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/5/2008 10:26:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > Who will be at the Zolfo, FL Show > > Dave, > Sorry to say Millie and I will not be able to attend this year. > Too much in > life going on at the moment. We sure enjoyed it last year. > > > Tom Schmutz From ottawa at pa.net Tue Feb 5 16:59:40 2008 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:59:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? References: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP><7.0.1.0.1.20080202164848.02197410@ncable.com.au><00ac01c86564$9d3f5e90$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> <7.0.1.0.1.20080206082627.021c3458@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <006001c8685b$8e3bb750$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Webshots finally got their sites working about 6:00PM last night(Monday). According their blog they had messed up some IP address(es). They had a lot of angry subscribers. The big problem was that we could not get into any site even to complain about the problem. My ISP spent 4 hours on the phone with me yesterday trying to resolve the problem. They finally decided it was not my computer nor their system and that it had to be Webshots which it was. I had added over 900 photos to Webshots last Friday and Saturday and I thought they had locked just me out after many of you said that you had no problems. I was using Epson but it is closing down as of April 15. You can usual check the version of an application by clicking on "Help" and then clicking on "About". I am using 2.5.0.5105 but am going to update shortly to 3.0.0.7231. Thanks for getting back to me. Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers 672 Robinson Road Blain, PA 17006 The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Gilbert To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT WebShots? Hi Helen, sorry for the delayed reply. Just been a little caught up with work. My Webshots is the paid version and I guess the latest up grade from about 6 months ago?? I don't know if that helps at all. I can't find anything to actually tell me what vesion it is. regards Russell At 05:26 PM 2/02/2008, you wrote: >Which version are you running? > >It was working fine on Thursday but Friday I can't even log on to >the main site. > >Helen > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Russell Gilbert > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT WebShots? > > > Helen mine seems to be working fine > regards Russell > > > At 03:19 PM 2/02/2008, you wrote: > >Anyone on the List that has a WebShots Photo Account, is the > >WebShots Site down? > > > >Helen > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > _______________________________________________ From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Feb 5 19:01:28 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:01:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw References: <971935.36731.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c8686c$9266dab0$89d84c0c@D48VHZ61> We've got a 6 and a 12hp 7. Our 7 oils from the gearbox end, although we have a helper handle with an oiler on the other end--It was all we could find. Those saws were notorious for getting the helper ends broken. Keep an eye out on Ebay as parts do show up there from time to time. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw > Thanks for the link, John. > Wrong model though,,, Kinda,,,, > My chain saw is a KB7AY 11HP. > The other power head that was given to me is the same model. > I do see the painted up KB7AY shown on that page is just like mine right > down to the missing cover. ????? > A flat cover will not clear the bolt through the pulley that the chain > goes around. > > However the diagram showing a "KB7AY" has a completely different helper > end. That one would have an oil pump on the engine for bar oil. > > Yes, My helper end does look more like the one used on the KB6AY. > > I have been thinking about building a go-cart for my extra engine. > An 11HP, 2 cycle engine revving to 4000 RPM should be a fun engine on a > go-cart. 8>)) > I guess it was a combination of the built in clutch and the cool sound > that gave me the go-cart idea. > Next time I have one of them running I will measure the idle RPM. > > I STILL would love to know who I bought this saw from. > I am thinking it came from either Wisconsin or Iowa. > !!!!!!!!!!! > I just called David Salyer. > He is the man I brought with me that was such great help at Lincoln > Tucker's Show & Tell Corn Shelling Display. > > Seeing Luke's 2003 Buckley pictures showing my saw I figured I MUST have > picked this saw up on May 2, 2003 at the show & tell. > Lucky me,,,, David remembers me getting it then. David grew up holding > the helper end of a saw just like it. > All I can remember picking up down there is a Foley Saw Filer that Dave > Rotigel picked up for me in PA. > > Anyway,,,,, Since I got it down there I now am sure it was Nels Jonsered > (SP) That picked it up and brought it to me. It seems like Nels also had a > man with him when he grabbed it. > > Does anyone have contact info for Nels? GOP4ever@??????? > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 5 19:36:37 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:36:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag color question.. In-Reply-To: <003b01c8686c$9266dab0$89d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <00a601c86871$7c9a2890$0100a8c0@l2800> Alas, I feel Dave is bored so am gonna give him something to talk about besides Super Tuesday.......... If a person wanted to go to the local auto parts joint and buy paint for the more common Maytag twin and single, those which were the medium dark green, is there a DuPont or other colour number one could have them mix up that would match? I know the later twins were black, black crinkle, etc. but what about the most common green. Last time I bought, I bought through GEM from a supplier. I've not touched them in YEARS and it's time - to totally strip 'em again, but would like to use automotive paint that's available locally for $500/quart. Bill From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 6 17:45:08 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:45:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor Message-ID: <01ab01c8692b$129209d0$210110ac@FAMILY> Folks I am looking for a 3/4 HP 3 Phase motor for my lathe, it needs to have a 56 frame. Does anyone have one they want to get rid of? Thanks, Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 6 17:58:44 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:58:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag color question.. In-Reply-To: <00a601c86871$7c9a2890$0100a8c0@l2800> References: <00a601c86871$7c9a2890$0100a8c0@l2800> Message-ID: On Feb 5, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: > Alas, I feel Dave is bored so am gonna give him something to talk > about > besides Super Tuesday.......... > If a person wanted to go to the local auto parts joint and buy > paint for the > more common Maytag twin and single Hi Bill, PUCE is a nice colo(u)r. Dave From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Wed Feb 6 18:15:03 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:15:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag color question.. References: <00a601c86871$7c9a2890$0100a8c0@l2800> Message-ID: <014801c8692f$409d5010$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> > > Hi Bill, PU-CE is a nice colo(u)r. > Dave You never could spell worth a shit. Skip > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 > 9:13 AM > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Wed Feb 6 18:15:41 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:15:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor In-Reply-To: <01ab01c8692b$129209d0$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <015201c8692f$59d30480$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Hey Paul I'll look at mine on my Logan 10"; does that sound like it might fit? I'd prefer a single phase; was not on my priority list to swap it out but if I have a market for the 3ph motor........ Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Folks I am looking for a 3/4 HP 3 Phase motor for my lathe, it needs to have a 56 frame. Does anyone have one they want to get rid of? Thanks, Paul No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 9:13 AM From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 6 19:13:35 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:13:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor References: <015201c8692f$59d30480$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <01dd01c86937$6de374c0$210110ac@FAMILY> Lew I probably have a single phase 3/4 or 1 HP I could swap you for it, I will have to check out my motor stock. If the motor is a 3/4 HP on your Logan please send me a picture of it if you can as I need to see where the wiring box is located on the motor if it has one, need to know the shaft size, and frame configuration. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Best" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor > Hey Paul > > I'll look at mine on my Logan 10"; does that sound like it might fit? > I'd prefer a single phase; was not on my priority list to swap it out > but if I have a market for the 3ph motor........ > > Lew Best near Waco, TX > > -----Original Message----- > > Folks I am looking for a 3/4 HP 3 Phase motor for my lathe, it needs to > have a 56 frame. Does anyone have one they want to get rid of? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Thu Feb 7 11:18:53 2008 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:18:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a 1 hp motor 56C frame 3500 RPM> > 1. Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor (Paul Maples)> > Message: 1> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:45:08 -0600> From: "Paul Maples" > Subject: [SEL] Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor> To: > Message-ID: <01ab01c8692b$129209d0$210110ac at FAMILY>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Folks I am looking for a 3/4 HP 3 Phase motor for my lathe, it needs to have a 56 frame. Does anyone have one they want to get rid of?> > Thanks,> > Paul _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.?You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 7 11:44:02 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:44:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel 12 H.P. - more help please. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080207214125.00b88ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, As some of you know, I have a 12 H.P. Witte diesel (Model CD) which I'm going to start on soon. This will be my first diesel engine so I'm on a steep learning curve. Today I received the parts that I'd ordered from David Johnson and must say that I'm very impressed - good quick service and everything as described. Due to other pressures I've not done anything to the engine (or any engine for that matter) for 2 months but had sent the injector pump and injector into a diesel shop to have them checked out. Today I received the bad news that the nozzle (and needle) is toast and have not heard about the pump yet. I had previously asked David Johnson if he had parts for the injection system but he does not. An internet search for "American Bosch" turned up AMBAC (formerly American Bosch) but they have one of the poorest websites I've seen in a long time without even an eMail contact address - just a few phone numbers in Elgin, South Carolina. Even some pages "Still under Construction" - very bad for a company website! Even their "Latest news" page was last updated in 2005. So now it's over to all the Gurus on the lists again: a) Can anyone in the States try to phone them for me and find out if any parts are available and if they have an eMail address.(Part Numbers follow). They list this telephone number. Toll Free Phone . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (800)628-6894 Part Numbers: American Bosch. The nozzle Holder is AKB 50 S 1910 A. ( I do not need this part - just giving it for reference) The nozzle (and needle) has the letters - 449 USA ADN-4S-3 (This is the part I need). b) If these parts are no longer available what ideas can you guys give me to get the engine going again - as mentioned, this is my first diesel so I'm stupid. Can nozzles be "fixed" or are their nozzles from other manufacturers that could be substituted or would I need to replace the whole system (sounds costly - especially on my limited budget). Thanks in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From nick at holden1.net Thu Feb 7 12:09:42 2008 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:09:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel 12 H.P. - more help please. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080207214125.00b88ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <47AB6585.000001.04484@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Jerry Try your local diesel repair shop as American Bosch pumps etc are available hear in the UK if you find a good one I have used http://www.dieselinjectors co.uk/ these people before and they are good Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Jerry Evans Date: 07/02/2008 19:47:49 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel 12 H.P. - more help please. Hi Guys, As some of you know, I have a 12 H.P. Witte diesel (Model CD) which I'm going to start on soon. This will be my first diesel engine so I'm on a steep learning curve. Today I received the parts that I'd ordered from David Johnson and must say that I'm very impressed - good quick service and everything as described. Due to other pressures I've not done anything to the engine (or any engine for that matter) for 2 months but had sent the injector pump and injector into a diesel shop to have them checked out. Today I received the bad news that the nozzle (and needle) is toast and have not heard about the pump yet. I had previously asked David Johnson if he had parts for the injection system but he does not. An internet search for "American Bosch" turned up AMBAC (formerly American Bosch) but they have one of the poorest websites I've seen in a long time without even an eMail contact address - just a few phone numbers in Elgin, South Carolina. Even some pages "Still under Construction" - very bad for a company website! Even their "Latest news" page was last updated in 2005. So now it's over to all the Gurus on the lists again: a) Can anyone in the States try to phone them for me and find out if any parts are available and if they have an eMail address.(Part Numbers follow). They list this telephone number. Toll Free Phone . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . (800)628-6894 Part Numbers: American Bosch. The nozzle Holder is AKB 50 S 1910 A. ( I do not need this part - just giving it for reference) The nozzle (and needle) has the letters - 449 USA ADN-4S-3 (This is the part I need). b) If these parts are no longer available what ideas can you guys give me to get the engine going again - as mentioned, this is my first diesel so I'm stupid. Can nozzles be "fixed" or are their nozzles from other manufacturers that could be substituted or would I need to replace the whole system (sounds costly - especially on my limited budget). Thanks in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 07/02/2008 11:17 . From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu Feb 7 15:28:12 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:28:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <00b901c869e1$1cef44e0$ec30eedc@fred> On a visit to a small Machinery Museum we sighted an open crank 3HP.Vertical Blackstone engine,on speaking to the guide who happened to be the club vice president we were quickly told the eng. had been in the collection for 32 years and was never for sale, on our suggestion that he might donate the eng. to us and we would make a LARGE donation ($00000) to the Museum, it was put to a vote by the club and our offer was accepted,we now own the little Blackstone. I had checked the Museum website before our visit and found out they had applied for a government grant which had been approved, a two for one agreement on donations they recieved meant they received triple our offer. Conclusion. Make an offer that can`t be refused. David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:38 AM Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > Years ago there were a couple of tractor collectors that I knew. The > one collector had some tractors that today would be very expensive ones > to buy and were still pretty valuable when this story took place. > > The second collector asked the first one if he'd sell him a couple of > the tractors. > > The first collector didn't really want to sell so he said, "Sure, I'll > sell them for $xx,xxxx!" which was a lot more than he thought anyone > would pay. > > To his amazement, the second collector whipped out his checkbook and > bought them! > > I was hoping that $20k was outrageous enough that even with the Royster > oil fortune, you wouldn't take me up on my offer ;-) > > So here's a question for the group to answer: > > Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high > price and had the buyer accept your price? > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Royster > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage > > It's like that old joke, now that we know it's for sale, we are just > haggling about the price!!!! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:35 PM > Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage > > >> Sure Mike! >> >> Give me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-) > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: > 23/01/2008 5:47 PM > > From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 7 22:34:44 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur & Deana Southwell) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 01:34:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need information on an engine Message-ID: <003901c86a1c$b2088330$6601a8c0@Arthur> Hello list, Does anyone have printed instructions and picture(s) on the correct way to assemble the throttle connecting shaft when reinstalling the cylinder head on an IHC LLB 3-5 HP engine? If so, would you please scan the info and email it to: asouth42 at embarqmail.com. I will appreciate it very much. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc217/mr_nocatee/ From avanti_64 at juno.com Fri Feb 8 05:54:21 2008 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:54:21 GMT Subject: [SEL] Need information on an engine Message-ID: <20080208.085421.469.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Arthur, the butterfly has to be in the open position when you assemble it. When it starts the gov weights will close it down to the idle position or to what ever position the speed control lever is set at. Joe _____________________________________________________________ Does your back hurt? Click for great deals on ergonomic chairs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iie5itcsX9rq4ePlC5PAazGKG0ZWdEVSHlZJzsi2YRf6cYBS1/ From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Feb 8 06:50:02 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:50:02 EST Subject: [SEL] Need information on an engine Message-ID: In a message dated 2/7/2008 10:36:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, asouth42 at embarqmail.com writes: Does anyone have printed instructions and picture(s) on the correct way to assemble the throttle connecting shaft when reinstalling the cylinder head on an IHC LLB 3-5 HP engine? Arthur, In case you don't have a manual for your engine, go to the following web site. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/techindex.html_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/techindex.html) Francis **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 8 02:39:18 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:39:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous engine photos wanted Message-ID: <001301c86abd$47b5f750$0200a8c0@altech> Hi guys Does anyone own or have, good clear photos of an early 2hp IHC Famous vertical engine they can email me, or show me an internet link to please. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 8 02:35:52 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:35:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC vertical famous engine differences help Message-ID: <001201c86abd$473c5a80$0200a8c0@altech> Hi all Can someone tell me the difference between these engines: 2 HP. NONPAREIL VERTICAL TANK COOLED serial numbers starting with "KG" 2 HP. FAMOUS VERTICAL TANK COOLED serial numbers starting with "KA" 2 HP. FAMOUS VERTICAL TANK COOLED serial numbers starting with "K" My mate has an early one and I am waiting for the serial number, while looking through my IHC data book I came across these. Regards Peter, Oz From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 8 18:29:34 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:29:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC vertical famous engine differences help In-Reply-To: <001201c86abd$473c5a80$0200a8c0@altech> References: <001201c86abd$473c5a80$0200a8c0@altech> Message-ID: On Feb 8, 2008, at 5:35 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > Can someone tell me the difference between these engines: > > Peter, Oz Hi Peter, Yes! Dave From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Fri Feb 8 20:14:53 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:14:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC vertical famous engine differences help References: <001201c86abd$473c5a80$0200a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <006f01c86ad2$52e3db00$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Well Dave is consistent. Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC vertical famous engine differences help > On Feb 8, 2008, at 5:35 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: >> Hi all >> Can someone tell me the difference between these engines: >> >> Peter, Oz > > Hi Peter, Yes! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sat Feb 9 02:04:39 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:04:39 -0000 Subject: [SEL] IHC vertical famous engine differences help References: <001201c86abd$473c5a80$0200a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <002101c86b03$2efb1560$fb986e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Peter, The Non Pariel engines have round hand holes on the front and rear, also as far as I can see the mixers are also a differant style to those used on the other verticals , also the fuel pump on my Non Pariel and my mates one appear to be differant from other verticals that I have seen. Hope this helps a bit, Craig in Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC vertical famous engine differences help > Hi all > > Can someone tell me the difference between these engines: > > 2 HP. NONPAREIL VERTICAL TANK COOLED serial numbers starting with "KG" > 2 HP. FAMOUS VERTICAL TANK COOLED serial numbers starting with "KA" > 2 HP. FAMOUS VERTICAL TANK COOLED serial numbers starting with "K" > > My mate has an early one and I am waiting for the serial number, while > looking through my IHC data book I came across these. > > Regards > Peter, Oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1266 - Release Date: > 08/02/2008 10:06 > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sat Feb 9 05:17:13 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:17:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous engine photos wanted References: <001301c86abd$47b5f750$0200a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <002301c86b1e$16476df0$5bea4c0c@D48VHZ61> I am pleased with what I have bought from; Don Oberholtzer 603 S. Main Street Columbiana, OH 44408 (330)482-4097 agee1 at aol.com http://hometown.aol.com/agee1/ He supplied the fuel pump and mixer for my 1905 vertical. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:39 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous engine photos wanted > Hi guys > > Does anyone own or have, good clear photos of an early 2hp IHC Famous > vertical engine they can email me, or show me an internet link to please. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Feb 10 02:00:53 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:00:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] 2hp vertical famous info wanted Message-ID: <001f01c86bcb$d2cc8110$0200a8c0@altech> Hi all I have contacted my mate and his IHC Famous is not as early as I thought it was, it is serial # KA34157 which makes it 1915 2hp tank cooled model. Now, I am after good clear photos of the 2hp water pump and the concentric that drives the water pump, if someone can help it would really be appreciated. Thanks to those who replied to my previous email. Peter, Oz From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Feb 10 12:26:24 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:26:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel 12 H.P. -Thank you Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080210222326.00b991f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 11:49 PM 07/02/2008, you wrote: >On 07/02/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > I'll check through the CAV app's books tonight and see if that one > > comes up anywhere. > > > >BDN 4S-2 Is a good start, that's used on a Blackstone JP, JPH, NP, >NPH, Tangye VCR, > >BDN 4S-1 Is a Perkins P6TA, Coventry Victor AD1 and AD2, WD1 and WD2, >Russell Newbery engines, Standard Vanguard diesel (Also the Fergie >tractor diesel) > >BDN 4S-6299 is used in an IHC BD144 37hp diesel > >BDN 4S-6157 is used on a Perkins 4-99 > >BDN 4S-3 is a British (B) Pintle Type (DN) 4 degree spray angle S is >the nozzle size code, the last digit gives the engine maker's code. > >A good start would be to chose a nozle from another engine that has a >similar output from one cylinder, that would match the fuelling up. >I'd suggest the BDN 4S-2 would be the nearest. > >The old nozzle can be cleaned and the nozzle seat and needle reground, >you just have to find someone with the right equipment to do it and >test it afterwards! > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Hi Guys, Thanks for all the help with the diesel injector. Peter (Forbes) for the above info - it really helped a lot and I know quite a bit more about diesel now than I did last week - Last week I knew nothing :-) Joe Kelley - thanks for calling AMBAC for me. AMBAC gave Joe a new part number which had superceded the old one. The new part numbers will be a great help. The part numbers Joe managed to get were: Delphi (formerly Lucas-CAV) part number for the ADN 4S 2 is 5642010 The Bosch part number is 0434200002. I'm pretty confident that I'll be able to source the nozzle locally now with this information. Once again, I'm amazed at the knowledge base on these lists and the great guys who are prepared to share. Pre Internet it would have taken months (or many expensive overseas telephone calls) to get the information that you guys provided within 24 hours. Long Live the SEL and Oldengine Lists ! Thanks again and also to others who responded. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 10 18:49:17 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur & Deana Southwell) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:49:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need information on an engine References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080208085310.00b81630@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <003901c86c58$b34e8ad0$6601a8c0@Arthur> Jerry, Francis, Joe, and any I may have missed; Thank you for your replies. You were a big help. Son & I are wanting (trying) to get his LB 3-5 re-rung in time for the Pioneer Park Days show in Zolfo Springs Florida, starting Feb. 26th. Have a good week. C'ya, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc217/mr_nocatee/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Evans To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:59 AM Subject: Re: Need information on an engine At 08:34 AM 08/02/2008, you wrote: >Hello list, >Does anyone have printed instructions and picture(s) on the correct way to >assemble the throttle connecting shaft when reinstalling the cylinder head >on an IHC LLB 3-5 HP engine? If so, would you please scan the info and >email it to: asouth42 at embarqmail.com. >I will appreciate it very much. >Arthur Hi Arthur, Is the LLB different to the LB? I have a very clear manual for the LB on my download page (just over 5 Mbytes) I hope it is of help. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 8:12 PM From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 10 18:52:35 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur & Deana Southwell) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:52:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show References: <98619EB8-A53D-488F-AC79-A582E20C30DB@alltel.net> Message-ID: <005601c86c59$287785f0$6601a8c0@Arthur> Hello Dave, I'll be there. You and Glenn have a safe trip down. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc217/mr_nocatee/ ----- Original Message ----- From: David Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show Hi All, Who will be at the Zolfo, FL Show (Feb. 27-March 2nd?) I plan to arrive at the park on Tuesday the 26th. I'm in Ex #6 (my usual spot right near the registration building) and Glenn Karch will be showing with me. How about two picture sessions? One on Friday and a second on Saturday--both at high noon. (With two sessions we can be sure to get everyone in.) Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 10 20:45:58 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:45:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show In-Reply-To: <005601c86c59$287785f0$6601a8c0@Arthur> References: <98619EB8-A53D-488F-AC79-A582E20C30DB@alltel.net> <005601c86c59$287785f0$6601a8c0@Arthur> Message-ID: Thanks Arthur, looking forward to seeing you at Zolfo! Dave On Feb 10, 2008, at 9:52 PM, Arthur & Deana Southwell wrote: > Hello Dave, I'll be there. You and Glenn have a safe trip down. > > Arthur > > > > > Arthur Southwell > Arthur Southwell Rebuilding > Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. > > asouth42 at embarqmail.com > > http://oldengine.org/members/southwell > http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html > http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 > http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc217/mr_nocatee/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Rotigel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:29 AM > Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show > > > Hi All, > Who will be at the Zolfo, FL Show (Feb. 27-March 2nd?) I plan to > arrive at the park on Tuesday the 26th. I'm in Ex #6 (my usual spot > right near the registration building) and Glenn Karch will be > showing > with me. How about two picture sessions? One on Friday and a second > on Saturday--both at high noon. (With two sessions we can be sure to > get everyone in.) > Dave > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: > 2/4/2008 10:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Feb 10 21:12:50 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:12:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face Message-ID: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> OK folks, if you watch CSpan (not sure if its I, II, or whatever) on Tuesday, Feb. 12 at 10:30 am Eastern Time, you might see a familiar face! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From johnculp at btes.tv Mon Feb 11 05:03:31 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:03:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face In-Reply-To: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Is Congress investigating you for using steroids, Tommy? John On Feb 11, 2008, at 12:12 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK folks, if you watch CSpan (not sure if its I, II, or whatever) on > Tuesday, Feb. 12 at 10:30 am Eastern Time, you might see a familiar > face! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Feb 11 06:54:16 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:54:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face In-Reply-To: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <3FD04B92-96DA-4628-959C-CC3E7E55DA18@rustyiron.com> On Feb 10, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK folks, if you watch CSpan (not sure if its I, II, or whatever) on > Tuesday, Feb. 12 at 10:30 am Eastern Time, you might see a familiar > face! Did Obama ask you to be his running mate? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 11 10:26:47 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:26:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> <3FD04B92-96DA-4628-959C-CC3E7E55DA18@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <002001c86cdb$a9d2c7e0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > > Did Obama ask you to be his running mate? >>>>>>>>>>> Pounding your fist on a 12 vial brick of Blow ? http://www.iloveblow.com/eventimages/productimages/l_afc1a8563d8f2b2eb993b12e21e47f38.jpg From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 13:48:40 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:48:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Clearances Information Message-ID: <6f6025160802111348o1257b76ah86b20848a3f512be@mail.gmail.com> Scan of a page out of the Hepolite Piston catalogue that might be useful: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Piston1Red.jpg Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 11 18:06:08 2008 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:06:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <007601c86d1b$d53935a0$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> Tommy the Paducah Sun had a big write up on Hodgenville, LaRue County and Ol Abe today. Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face > OK folks, if you watch CSpan (not sure if its I, II, or whatever) on > Tuesday, Feb. 12 at 10:30 am Eastern Time, you might see a familiar face! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Feb 12 06:26:13 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:26:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face In-Reply-To: References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <47B1AC85.3060500@scrtc.com> Well, you won't get to see me afterall. Darn it! The program had to be cancelled to to a severe winter storm here in KY. I'll let you know should we reschedule it for the future. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Is Congress investigating you for using steroids, Tommy? > >John > >On Feb 11, 2008, at 12:12 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>OK folks, if you watch CSpan (not sure if its I, II, or whatever) on >>Tuesday, Feb. 12 at 10:30 am Eastern Time, you might see a familiar >>face! >> >> > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Feb 12 06:40:12 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:40:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face In-Reply-To: <007601c86d1b$d53935a0$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> <007601c86d1b$d53935a0$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> Message-ID: <47B1AFCC.40305@scrtc.com> Thanks Dick. Yeah, I was to be on CSpan from 10:30 to noon. But, we had an ice storm here and it nixed all the plans. Maybe in the future. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Tommy the Paducah Sun had a big write up on Hodgenville, LaRue County and Ol >Abe today. > >Dick Bauer > > > > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Feb 12 14:30:39 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:30:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> <47B1AC85.3060500@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002a01c86dc6$e51c2bc0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Yeah I watched for 15 minutes, saw the story of the child molester that won 10 million in the lottery and wondered your connection???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face > Well, you won't get to see me afterall. Darn it! The program had to be > cancelled to to a severe winter storm here in KY. I'll let you know > should we reschedule it for the future. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>Is Congress investigating you for using steroids, Tommy? >> >>John >> >>On Feb 11, 2008, at 12:12 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >> >> >>>OK folks, if you watch CSpan (not sure if its I, II, or whatever) on >>>Tuesday, Feb. 12 at 10:30 am Eastern Time, you might see a familiar >>>face! >>> >>> >> >> >>John Culp >>Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 12 16:56:11 2008 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:56:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com><007601c86d1b$d53935a0$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> <47B1AFCC.40305@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000801c86ddb$3a623840$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> I'll clip it and send it to you if you want it Tommy. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face > Thanks Dick. Yeah, I was to be on CSpan from 10:30 to noon. But, we > had an ice storm here and it nixed all the plans. Maybe in the future. > Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>Tommy the Paducah Sun had a big write up on Hodgenville, LaRue County and >>Ol >>Abe today. >> >>Dick Bauer >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Feb 14 05:18:16 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:18:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received anything since the weekend! Surely someone is doing something engine related?? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Feb 14 05:34:01 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:34:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Patrick, Your coming through loud and clear........many of us are just fighting all the snow and bad weather. I had 20+ inches the other day and 4 more coming today. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Subject: [SEL] Test Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:28:21 +0000 > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 14 05:36:03 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:36:03 EST Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: In a message dated 2/14/2008 8:26:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: Surely someone is doing something engine related?? Patrick, I think winter depression has set in! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 14 05:37:11 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:37:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Coming in loud and clear in "The Big Sky" Patrick...btw..HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!! RickinMt. > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Feb 14 05:39:49 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:39:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001201c86f0f$1306bb60$3dc6ecdc@Edd> got you here mate. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Test > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Feb 14 05:51:23 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:51:23 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <034401c86f10$afe3a230$8335c53e@doc> No, 'tis quiet. Last message I got from the list was Peter Forbes, "Piston Clearances Information", on Monday at 22:00 UTC. All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Patrick M Livingstone > Sent: 14 February 2008 13:18 > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List > Subject: [SEL] Test > > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have > not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 14 06:03:12 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:03:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT Message-ID: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Folks, There are no engineering details provided (beyond a three minute "fill up" time), but this article has my bullshit detector clanging... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Feb 14 06:16:00 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:16:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD 2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi All, Would anyone here have any idea the make of the car in this photo. The passenger in the car is perported to be Fred Duesenberg. The photo is circa 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer for Fred 1916-1918 The car could very well be a prototype or a racing car so ID is likely to never occure. Thanks, Mark http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 14 06:20:23 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:20:23 EST Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 Message-ID: Mark, I have no idea, but it sure is pretty! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From tsmith at hal-pc.org Thu Feb 14 06:28:35 2008 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:28:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: I didn't read the link in super detail (my BS alarm also went into overdrive) but it didn't say how far the car would go on a single charge of air (maybe 25' if it was level ground??). The other thing that caught my attention was the filling station looking hose. To have any chance at all to get enough air pressure for the kind of energy needed would require very high pressure, not a hundred PSI or whatever might be available to pump up a tire. I know the equipment required to fill my scuba tank to 3000 PSI is more robust than a rubber hose. It would probably require pressures like that to even have a chance. I'm having a problem with all this. There are very few free rides in this world and a lot of this latest "green technology" ain't all it's cracked up to be. On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:03:12 -0500 fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hiya Folks, > > There are no engineering details provided (beyond a three minute >"fill up" > time), but this article has my bullshit detector clanging... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From JR504 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 06:36:56 2008 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:36:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT Message-ID: In a message dated 2/14/2008 9:06:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm Hi Arnie, I believe the car is a reality, because I've seen them at Alternative Energy Events and heard about them from others. What they failed to mention was the range of the vehicle. It would take an awfully large tank to hold enough air to push a car any distance. My guess would be less than 50 miles between fillups, and probably way less than that. Joe "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" Henry Ford **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Feb 14 07:42:46 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:42:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Patrick: I don't know about them other critters but I've been busy re-working the experimental "Lenoiresque" engine. I'm keeping a journal on my web page. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 07:18 AM > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List > Subject: [SEL] Test > > > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very > quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Feb 14 07:52:31 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:52:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie: I don't doubt that the car will run fine. Range and acceleration are questions. Years ago, air was used to power a few underground mine railways and some above ground trains that had to run and sit idle in long tunnels. Those uses, though were not for economy but for safety from fire and fumes associated with steam locomotives. What I -don't- believe is the economy of operation. It takes a LOT of energy to compress air so if you add up the ineffeciencies of generating and transferring the electrical power to the compressor plus the ineffeciency of compressing the air itself PLUS the ineffeciency of the air engine, I have serious doubts the idea is practical. Ahh, well - that's just my opinion. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 08:03 AM > To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine > Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT > > > Hiya Folks, > > There are no engineering details provided (beyond > a three minute "fill up" > time), but this article has my bullshit detector > clanging... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm > > See ya, Arnie From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Feb 14 07:52:48 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:52:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Mark: The car dates to much earlier than 1916. Probably pre-1910. I'm sure I've seen a photo of it somewhere else, maybe an early Indianapolis Vanderbilt Cup racer. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 08:16 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 > > > Hi All, > Would anyone here have any idea the make of the > car in this photo. The > passenger in the car is perported to be Fred > Duesenberg. The photo is circa > 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer > for Fred 1916-1918 > The car could very well be a prototype or a > racing car so ID is likely to > never occure. Thanks, Mark > > http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg > Mark & Christine Shulaw From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 14 06:57:00 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:57:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <57373.168.215.206.73.1203001020.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Wow those front fenders are something! Gives a whole new meaning to wings. Curt > Hi All, > Would anyone here have any idea the make of the car in this photo. The > passenger in the car is perported to be Fred Duesenberg. The photo is > circa > 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer for Fred 1916-1918 > The car could very well be a prototype or a racing car so ID is likely to > never occure. Thanks, Mark > > http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Feb 14 07:58:26 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:58:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214104959.0305d100@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Eldon, The car being built earlier then the photo does appear to be the case. Its just credited that the photo was circa 1916. You're info about Vanderbilt Cup racers seem to be right on target and heading me in the right direction. Found a web site with photos of them. Those cars are so very similar to this one. In the 1916 era Duesenberg was still working to get a foothold in the auto industry and may have just known the owner of the car and wanted a photo of himself in the car at that time. Notice the make-shift fenders on the car, probably an afterthought to make the car more comfortably driveable in regular useage. Just imaging owning that car today. Thank You, Mark At 10:52 AM 2/14/08, you wrote: >Mark: > >The car dates to much earlier than 1916. Probably pre-1910. I'm sure >I've seen a photo of it somewhere else, maybe an early Indianapolis >Vanderbilt Cup racer. > >Take care - Elden Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 08:24:53 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:24:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6f6025160802140824gb9bc090i21da82ecb8a7e3eb@mail.gmail.com> On 14/02/2008, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone Seen loads of Spam this week, but have been working on the engine Patents most evenings and haven't had a lot of time to check the Lists. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 14 09:12:37 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:12:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] OT just because the list is a little slow for traffic. Message-ID: <5665.168.215.206.73.1203009157.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Since there is little going on the list, here is something for the engineering types. Curt Holland From falcon at telenet.net Thu Feb 14 09:24:33 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:24:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: References: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <47B47951.9040304@telenet.net> Tom Smith wrote: > I didn't read the link in super detail (my BS alarm also went into > overdrive) but it didn't say how far the car would go on a single > charge of air (maybe 25' if it was level ground??). > > The other thing that caught my attention was the filling station > looking hose. To have any chance at all to get enough air pressure for > the kind of energy needed would require very high pressure, not a > hundred PSI or whatever might be available to pump up a tire. I know > the equipment required to fill my scuba tank to 3000 PSI is more > robust than a rubber hose. It would probably require pressures like > that to even have a chance. > > I'm having a problem with all this. There are very few free rides in > this world and a lot of this latest "green technology" ain't all it's > cracked up to be. > Our SCBA tank refill stations use what is basically VERY clean hydraulic hose for filling our air bottles. I wouldn't want to be driving around with an air tank with that kind of pressure though. One small oops with that tank and you would be picking up pieces for a while.... -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 14 10:35:11 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:35:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <47B47951.9040304@telenet.net> References: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> <47B47951.9040304@telenet.net> Message-ID: <2085FA79-098F-48EF-9FBE-9E0BECD39920@alltel.net> On Feb 14, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Steve W. wrote: > Tom Smith wrote: >> I'm having a problem with all this. There are very few free rides in >> this world and a lot of this latest "green technology" ain't all it's >> cracked up to be. >> > Our SCBA tank refill stations use what is basically VERY clean > hydraulic > hose for filling our air bottles. I wouldn't want to be driving around > with an air tank with that kind of pressure though. One small oops > with > that tank and you would be picking up pieces for a while.... > > Steve W. Both you guys are missing TWO very important points: 1.) The inventor is a FROG, and 2.) The inventor says that if the tank(s) cracked (during a crash) it would only hurt the ears. (Although doG only knows why the driver would be holding the passengers ears during a crash!) Dave From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 14 10:48:29 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:48:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT References: Message-ID: <007301c86f3a$311efd80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> if you add up the ineffeciencies of generating and transferring the electrical power to the compressor plus the ineffeciency of compressing the air itself PLUS the ineffeciency of the air engine, I have serious doubts the idea is practical. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// But it runs on AAAAAAAEEEEEEEERRRRR !!!! LOL From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 11:08:23 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:08:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <2085FA79-098F-48EF-9FBE-9E0BECD39920@alltel.net> References: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> <47B47951.9040304@telenet.net> <2085FA79-098F-48EF-9FBE-9E0BECD39920@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160802141108o7196554va5256f8482a3548@mail.gmail.com> On 14/02/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > On Feb 14, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Steve W. wrote: > > > Both you guys are missing TWO very important points: > 1.) The inventor is a FROG, and > 2.) The inventor says that if the tank(s) cracked (during a crash) > it would only hurt the ears. (Although doG only knows why the driver > would be holding the passengers ears during a crash!) > Dave Yes, like the Medina Case Traction Engine that let go.... This car was widely reported in Europe and the UK, but I think a lot of folks, like over here, are seeing through the hype pretty well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 11:20:38 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:20:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Britsih Class 7 Engine Patents Message-ID: <6f6025160802141120j910cb59p4f833ed2aabd6cce@mail.gmail.com> We have had, at last, a definitive ruling from the UK Govt on display of the engine Patents that we are scanning etc. We are free to display them on the website(s) with no restrictions, but that only applies to the Govt text in each Patent, it does not cover the applicant's drawings that were part of the original Patent application. With this in mind, we will place a notice at the start of the Patents section, to the effect that any one related to the original Patentee or their Estate can request removal of the drawing at any time on application to us in writing. That should cover it. So, we have opened a new website to host the Patents on their own, it will take too much room up on Oldengine.org and Stationary-Engine.co.uk, and the single site is easier to control than two sets of material on the other two. Oldengine.co.uk will be the new host, there is nearly the full set of Part 1 1905-1908 Abridged Patents on there at present, 368 pages, but I have a few changes to make in accordance with the request by the IPO (UK Govt) so it will probably be over the weekend that access will become available. Please remember that this stuff is for personal/pleasure use only, we will take it off if we start finding CD's on ebay with material taken from the website. All images are digitally marked with Digimarc software. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 14 11:23:30 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:23:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <007301c86f3a$311efd80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <007301c86f3a$311efd80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905F265BE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I was wondering what psi they used and found this: "Barring any last-minute design changes on the way to production, the Air Car should be surprisingly practical. The US$12,700 CityCAT, one of a handful of planned Air Car models, can hit 68 mph and has a range of 125 miles. It will take only a few minutes for the CityCAT to refuel at gas stations equipped with custom air compressor units; MDI says it should cost around $2 to fill the car's carbon-fiber tanks with 340 liters of air at 4350 psi. Drivers will also be able to plug into the electrical grid and use the car's built-in compressor to refill the tanks in about fours hours. " This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Feb 14 11:33:07 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:33:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 Message-ID: <33280647.1029861203017587121.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web11-z02> In my opinion the car is definitely 1913 or earlier. If the picture is in the US, autos prior to this date were right hand drive such as this. Also notice the drip oilers, wooden wheels with wooden fellows, and chain drive. Around 1908 most chain drives were starting to disappear. ---- Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hi All, > Would anyone here have any idea the make of the car in this photo. The > passenger in the car is perported to be Fred Duesenberg. The photo is circa > 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer for Fred 1916-1918 > The car could very well be a prototype or a racing car so ID is likely to > never occure. Thanks, Mark > > http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alharris44 at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 11:57:30 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:57:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <47B49D2A.8030406@gmail.com> Yep. > http://www.tomlaferriere.com/images/AllenSpeedster/AllenSpeedster%20001.jpg > http://www.tomlaferriere.com/1914_Brass_Era_American_lafrance_speedster_simplex.htm Cheers, Al Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hi All, > Would anyone here have any idea the make of the car in this photo. The > passenger in the car is perported to be Fred Duesenberg. The photo is circa > 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer for Fred 1916-1918 > The car could very well be a prototype or a racing car so ID is likely to > never occure. Thanks, Mark > > http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 12:06:01 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:06:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905F265BE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <007301c86f3a$311efd80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905F265BE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160802141206o19df06f9keb38e14aee9efe71@mail.gmail.com> On 14/02/2008, Best, George wrote: > I was wondering what psi they used and found this: > > > "Barring any last-minute design changes on the way to production, the > Air Car should be surprisingly practical. The US$12,700 CityCAT, one of > a handful of planned Air Car models, can hit 68 mph and has a range of > 125 miles. It will take only a few minutes for the CityCAT to refuel at > gas stations equipped with custom air compressor units; MDI says it > should cost around $2 to fill the car's carbon-fiber tanks with 340 > liters of air at 4350 psi. Drivers will also be able to plug into the > electrical grid and use the car's built-in compressor to refill the > tanks in about fours hours. " > > What pressure does air liquefy at ?? See also: http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/20071/page2/ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Feb 14 12:19:04 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:19:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 Message-ID: <1974708.591861203020344666.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> Excellent job!! The one in Mark's picture does not have the swept cowl or the quadrant rod on the steering column and looks slightly more modern, but that is it! MR ---- Al Harris wrote: > Yep. > > > http://www.tomlaferriere.com/images/AllenSpeedster/AllenSpeedster%20001.jpg > > > http://www.tomlaferriere.com/1914_Brass_Era_American_lafrance_speedster_simplex.htm > > Cheers, > Al > > > Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Hi All, > > Would anyone here have any idea the make of the car in this photo. The > > passenger in the car is perported to be Fred Duesenberg. The photo is circa > > 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer for Fred 1916-1918 > > The car could very well be a prototype or a racing car so ID is likely to > > never occure. Thanks, Mark > > > > http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > > Parts lists available on request. > > > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > > No Sunday calls if possible. > > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Feb 14 13:35:45 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:35:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003d01c86f52$09d11d40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Reg away in Tasmania, home Tues. pm. Marg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Test > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Feb 14 15:07:14 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:07:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214104959.0305d100@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Mark: The fenders on that car were most likely put-on for street use or when driving in a race where there was rain or mud. It would have been neat to hear that monster coming! I built something like that in the late '60's out of a junk American LaFrance fire engine. You can see it on my web page under "Otherstuff". I called it the Belchfire IV -and- you could hear me coming! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 09:58 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 > > > Hi Eldon, > The car being built earlier then the photo does > appear to be the case. Its > just credited that the photo was circa 1916. > You're info about Vanderbilt > Cup racers seem to be right on target and heading > me in the right > direction. Found a web site with photos of them. > Those cars are so very > similar to this one. > In the 1916 era Duesenberg was still working to > get a foothold in the auto > industry and may have just known the owner of the > car and wanted a photo of > himself in the car at that time. Notice the > make-shift fenders on the car, > probably an afterthought to make the car more > comfortably driveable in > regular useage. Just imaging owning that car today. > Thank You, Mark From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Feb 14 15:28:51 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:28:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <47B49D2A.8030406@gmail.com> Message-ID: Al: The first photo is of an American LaFrance racer in progress. It is a six cylinder! Geared right, that hunk of old iron should really move! The car in the movie is like I originally intended to make my American LaFrance racer but I decided I wanted to drive it more than I wanted to fiddle with making it absolutely correct. One thing about the movie....I wonder if the guy broke many crankshafts winding it up like that? He must have been pushing 2,500 RPM! I had a tach on mine and rarely ever let it go past 1,700 RPM. With a 5-1/2 bore and 6-1/2 stroke and no balancing, it would set teeth on edge at that speed. Made your ears ring, too! Of course, at 1700 RPM, it was going somewhere around 80 mph! That alone was enough to keep your attention! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/ > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 01:58 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 > > > Yep. > > > > http://www.tomlaferriere.com/images/AllenSpeedster > /AllenSpeedster%20001.jpg > > > > http://www.tomlaferriere.com/1914_Brass_Era_Americ > an_lafrance_speedster_simplex.htm > > Cheers, > Al From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 14 14:40:24 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:40:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT just because the list is a little slow for traffic. In-Reply-To: <5665.168.215.206.73.1203009157.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <5665.168.215.206.73.1203009157.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1203028824.47b4c3580eec3@webmail.city-net.com> And just in time for Engineers Week too... http://www.eweek.org/ Quoting curt at rustyiron.com: > Since there is little going on the list, here is something for the > engineering types. > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 14 14:59:22 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:59:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <33280647.1029861203017587121.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web11-z02> References: <33280647.1029861203017587121.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web11-z02> Message-ID: How did people make them "disappear?" Was it by magic? -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Feb 14, 2008, at 2:33 PM, wrote: > Around 1908 most chain drives were starting to disappear. > > ---- Mark Shulaw wrote: >> Hi All, >> Would anyone here have any idea the make of the car in this >> photo. The >> passenger in the car is perported to be Fred Duesenberg. The photo >> is circa >> 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer for Fred 1916-1918 >> The car could very well be a prototype or a racing car so ID is >> likely to >> never occure. Thanks, Mark >> >> http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg >> Mark & Christine Shulaw >> 454 Co. Rd. 33 >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> >> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >> Parts lists available on request. >> >> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >> No Sunday calls if possible. >> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I >> represent >> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, >> Preservationist and >> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Feb 14 15:28:44 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:28:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 References: Message-ID: <005201c86f61$576d9790$726f4b47@mikecomp> If you enlarge the picture you can see the fenders are canvas with 3 springs on the end to keep them tight! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 > Mark: > > The fenders on that car were most likely put-on for street use or when > driving in a race where there was rain or mud. It would have been neat to > hear that monster coming! > > I built something like that in the late '60's out of a junk American > LaFrance fire engine. You can see it on my web page under "Otherstuff". > I called it the Belchfire IV -and- you could hear me coming! > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Mark Shulaw >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 09:58 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 >> >> >> Hi Eldon, >> The car being built earlier then the photo does >> appear to be the case. Its >> just credited that the photo was circa 1916. >> You're info about Vanderbilt >> Cup racers seem to be right on target and heading >> me in the right >> direction. Found a web site with photos of them. >> Those cars are so very >> similar to this one. >> In the 1916 era Duesenberg was still working to >> get a foothold in the auto >> industry and may have just known the owner of the >> car and wanted a photo of >> himself in the car at that time. Notice the >> make-shift fenders on the car, >> probably an afterthought to make the car more >> comfortably driveable in >> regular useage. Just imaging owning that car today. >> Thank You, Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Thu Feb 14 15:57:38 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:57:38 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Engines in West Aussie Message-ID: <00a001c86f65$635dc990$210110ac@Chester> Because the lists are quite i thought i would tell you what im up to, i have just won a mixer for my 8 cycle aermotor off ebay, this is the last major part i needed, only need some governor parts now, My 8hp famous is very close to firing up, the big end bearing is off being fixed, the sheetmetal is off being repaired, i am busy making the seat & step & repairing handbrake. To top it all off i have just picked up a 8hp austral on original transport to restore, missing some parts but a worthwhile project, so engine restoring is good, cheers for now, Chester from West Aussie. From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Thu Feb 14 16:19:44 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:19:44 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <47B4DAA0.5060705@optusnet.com.au> fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hiya Folks, > > There are no engineering details provided (beyond a three minute "fill up" > time), but this article has my bullshit detector clanging... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm > > See ya, Arnie === Darn, you've just blown my next invention. Basically a compressed air engined car, the "Pothole Express". The cunning bit is that I am using the shock-absorbers to act as pumps to keep the air pressure up. Bumpier the road, the further you go. Should sell well around here. Jack === From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Feb 14 16:49:03 2008 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:49:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002c01c86f6c$928acc20$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Got ya way up here in Gosford Patrick. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Test > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanwh at iinet.net.au Thu Feb 14 17:11:03 2008 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan ) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:11:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] rally coming up In-Reply-To: <002c01c86f6c$928acc20$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <6a9ms5$8hoflo@outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out1.iinet.net.au> Some more info re the Wagga Rally The Wagga Rally is on again Saturday 5th & Sunday 6th April,2008 At Gumly Oval Pioneer Ave, Gumly Gumly, via Wagga Wagga NSW Alan Wheaton Wagga http://www.oldengine.org/members/wagga/ From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Feb 14 18:45:16 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:45:16 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160802141206o19df06f9keb38e14aee9efe71@mail.gmail.com> References: <007301c86f3a$311efd80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905F265BE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160802141206o19df06f9keb38e14aee9efe71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03c701c86f7c$cc679f30$8335c53e@doc> At room temperatures, air can't be liquefied by pressure alone. The critical temperature for air is -140C or -220F. Above this temperature, air remains a gas regardless of pressure. At the critical temperature, air is liquid at 573 psi or 39 bar. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: 14 February 2008 20:06 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT > > On 14/02/2008, Best, George wrote: > > I was wondering what psi they used and found this: > > > > > > "Barring any last-minute design changes on the way to > production, the > > Air Car should be surprisingly practical. The US$12,700 > CityCAT, one of > > a handful of planned Air Car models, can hit 68 mph and > has a range of > > 125 miles. It will take only a few minutes for the CityCAT > to refuel at > > gas stations equipped with custom air compressor units; MDI says it > > should cost around $2 to fill the car's carbon-fiber tanks with 340 > > liters of air at 4350 psi. Drivers will also be able to > plug into the > > electrical grid and use the car's built-in compressor to refill the > > tanks in about fours hours. " > > > > > > What pressure does air liquefy at ?? > > See also: > > http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/20071/page2/ > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Feb 14 23:24:43 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:24:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000c01c86fa3$d5aac4b0$0200a8c0@altech> This LIST engine related, you have got to be kidding ;-))) I just got 55 posts, all OK here mate. Peter, Oz > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Feb 15 00:09:43 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:09:43 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT References: Message-ID: <01c101c86faa$1f9b8b30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> I had heard of this compressed air design car over a year ago as a guy i knew had bought shares into the company was asking others to sign up from what i saw it looked promising the vehicle he was speaking of was the dual fuel model which used multi fuels to heat up the compressor unit that created the high pressure the problem for making them legal was the high tank pressure that was thought to be dangerous however lpg tanks would be rated as considerably more dangerous. They also had a generator model engine that was going to be sold to the public for generating own electricity as once again the engine was very energy efficent.At this stage there are no cars in New Zealand but he said they were being made in India by the tata corporation and at the time there were plans to set up a factory in australia he has since moved from the area so have lost contact as to what is happening if i was to buy a model it would be the dual fuel type as you wouldnt need to rely on a filling station to plug it in as we live in a rural area. One of the things he mentioned is that the new car performed just like a petrol/diesel car otherwise people wouldnt be interested in it ..I havent closed my mind on the idea but like to see one and see how they perform...and read up on the road trail tests from what i have read they will be a fraction of the price of a new car. heres some more info regarding it http://www.climatechangecorp.com/content.asp?ContentID=5154 brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT > > > In a message dated 2/14/2008 9:06:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm > > > Hi Arnie, > I believe the car is a reality, because I've seen them at Alternative Energy > Events and heard about them from others. What they failed to mention was > the range of the vehicle. It would take an awfully large tank to hold enough > air to push a car any distance. My guess would be less than 50 miles between > fillups, and probably way less than that. > Joe > > > "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" > Henry Ford > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 03:37:26 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:37:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <000c01c86fa3$d5aac4b0$0200a8c0@altech> References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <000c01c86fa3$d5aac4b0$0200a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6f6025160802150337m338370alc1099947eca2831e@mail.gmail.com> On 15/02/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > This LIST engine related, you have got to be kidding ;-))) > I just got 55 posts, all OK here mate. > > Peter, Oz >From when to when?? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Feb 15 07:18:48 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:18:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <47B49D2A.8030406@gmail.com> References: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> <47B49D2A.8030406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080215094533.03476150@pop3.wcoil.com> Thank You everyone thats written. The actual builder of the car may never be known but the suggestion by Elden to look at Vanderbilt racers was a good one. I see lots of similarities on those cars to the one we are looking at. The pic sent by Al of the American Lafrance Speedster has striking similarities to our mystery car. I've read that many of the builders or owners of cars started with a basic car design and striped it down to rolling chassis and rebuilt to suit. But like today some parts were bought from builders that made certain things like mufflers, or built their parts after other peoples designs, or their own ideas making different cars look similar due to requirements of race rules and needs to win. I have been looking more at the frame, wheels and suspension to determine similarities. As in todays Nascar cars the body designs are similar due to profile length and height rules. So right or wrong in the case of the old cars I look at the less likely to have been changed things like frames, wheels and suspension. And in this case Chain Drive. Sheet metal and mufflers are too easy to change. A bit more info on the picture She said her grandfather (now passed) said it was taken in Dubuque, Iowa But like so many of us, at the time when the info was available for the asking she was not interested in the details enough to ask more. I'll keep you updated when new info turns up. Thank You, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Feb 15 07:34:48 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:34:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 References: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com><47B49D2A.8030406@gmail.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080215094533.03476150@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Mark I was thinking maybe one could find some info in one of Floyd Clymers books. There are quite a few on ebay now. Just a thot RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 > Thank You everyone thats written. The actual builder of the car may never > be known but the suggestion by Elden to look at Vanderbilt racers was a > good one. I see lots of similarities on those cars to the one we are > looking at. The pic sent by Al of the American Lafrance Speedster has > striking similarities to our mystery car. I've read that many of the > builders or owners of cars started with a basic car design and striped it > down to rolling chassis and rebuilt to suit. But like today some parts > were > bought from builders that made certain things like mufflers, or built > their > parts after other peoples designs, or their own ideas making different > cars > look similar due to requirements of race rules and needs to win. I have > been looking more at the frame, wheels and suspension to determine > similarities. As in todays Nascar cars the body designs are similar due to > profile length and height rules. So right or wrong in the case of the old > cars I look at the less likely to have been changed things like frames, > wheels and suspension. And in this case Chain Drive. Sheet metal and > mufflers are too easy to change. > A bit more info on the picture She said her grandfather (now passed) said > it was taken in Dubuque, Iowa But like so many of us, at the time when > the > info was available for the asking she was not interested in the details > enough to ask more. > I'll keep you updated when new info turns > up. Thank You, Mark > > > > > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > Bluffton, Ohio > Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > Home #419.358.5206 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 08:43:37 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:43:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: References: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> <47B49D2A.8030406@gmail.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080215094533.03476150@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0802150843l29e85889v4824f96d2f514212@mail.gmail.com> Don't overlook the possibility that the car is a one of a kind or very limited production. My friend's grandfather made the Pioneer, the first production car made West of the Mississippi. A stove man made the body, he made all the rest. That was, apparently, not all that rare as I once saw a very old book - that I'm sorry I didn't buy - that had instructions for making automobiles, engines and all. So you may have a speedster version of a production car, a conglomeration similar to a hot rod, or a one of a kind. In any event, that is a good looking car. Paul In SanFran From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 15 14:28:28 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:28:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <47B4DAA0.5060705@optusnet.com.au> References: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> <47B4DAA0.5060705@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <1203114508.47b6120cd3d15@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Jack, Don't forget to include the rotary air pump to recharge the air tank when the "Pothole Express" is going downhill. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Jack Watson : > Darn, you've just blown my next invention. > > Basically a compressed air engined car, the "Pothole Express". > > The cunning bit is that I am using the shock-absorbers to act as pumps > to keep the air pressure up. Bumpier the road, the further you go. > Should sell well around here. From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Feb 15 15:41:23 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:41:23 EST Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT Message-ID: Hi List, Before electricity was available in Lead, South Dakota, the local gold mine used high pressure air engines to pull their mining cars in and out of mine shafts. I was there about 20 years ago and several air engines were on display. They looked like a small locomotive with a large air tank. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Fri Feb 15 16:47:57 2008 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:47:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID Message-ID: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were in storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like a Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD Melbourne" Engine No. F1082. Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? Thanks........ Andy Nicholson Townsville Qld OZ From alharris44 at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 17:12:03 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:12:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> References: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> Message-ID: <47B63863.2000106@gmail.com> Got a pic Andy? Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW OZ Andy Nicholson wrote: > Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were in > storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. > I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like a > Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. > On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD Melbourne" > Engine No. F1082. > Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? > Thanks........ > > Andy Nicholson > Townsville Qld > OZ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Feb 15 19:43:28 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:43:28 EST Subject: [SEL] Engine ID Message-ID: Hi Andy, If it helps I do know Villiers did make an engine for a small motorcycle. I once had a James cycle with a Villiers engine. It was not a moped as it had no bicycle pedals. I think it had a three speed transmission. I didn't have much luck with getting it to run right as I could never figure out the spark timing. The flywheel was held in place by taper fit on the crankshaft with no keyway. Eventually I returned it to the seller. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 2/15/2008 6:56:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, rustyiron1 at bigpond.com writes: Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were in storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like a Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD Melbourne" Engine No. F1082. Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? Thanks........ Andy Nicholson Townsville Qld OZ **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Feb 15 19:55:59 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:55:59 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT References: Message-ID: <020901c8704f$d7c5c950$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Francis thats interesting i have a very old book late 1890s and they were using compressed air drills when mining the reason was that they did the same work as steam and also provided air for the workers esp where the air was foul reduced risk of explotions powered up by steam engines back then in the book it shows the picture of the machine that was to be used to drill the tunnel for the english channel it mentions it could run on steam or if that wasnt suitable then compressed air some the earliest shearing handpieces i think early 1800s were powered by air , saw one a collector had and it was powered by a hand bellows and worked extremely well same principle as air tools.brent ----- Original Message ----- rom: To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT > Hi List, > Before electricity was available in Lead, South Dakota, the local gold mine > used high pressure air engines to pull their mining cars in and out of mine > shafts. I was there about 20 years ago and several air engines were on > display. They looked like a small locomotive with a large air tank. > > > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Feb 15 20:08:02 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:08:02 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID References: Message-ID: <022201c87051$86c92450$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Ron i repair villier engines mainly 2 and 4 stroke stationary engines there is an arrow on the fly wheel that lines up with a mark on the body at the back of the flywheel roughly at 10 oclock a half moon shape with a line ,The arrow mark on the flywheel and the line on the body line up; on the crank there is normally a slot that is set directly to the top if these are all lined up tighten the centre bolt and it should fire a common fault also with them is the condenser packs up this is normally hiding underneath the points if there is no mark you might have to set the piston at just before tdc if you can put a piece off wire in the head it drops about 3mm i think.All the engines are set that way that i have.. In regard to the condenser you can use a car type one 12volt will do the same job just to get the engine running if you have trouble getting a spark they are great little engines there is a place in england that sells parts for them but the car one works fine.hope that helps brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID > > Hi Andy, > > If it helps I do know Villiers did make an engine for a small motorcycle. I > once had a James cycle with a Villiers engine. It was not a moped as it had > no bicycle pedals. I think it had a three speed transmission. I didn't > have much luck with getting it to run right as I could never figure out the > spark timing. The flywheel was held in place by taper fit on the crankshaft with > no keyway. Eventually I returned it to the seller. > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri USA > > In a message dated 2/15/2008 6:56:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, > rustyiron1 at bigpond.com writes: > > Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were in > storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. > I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like a > Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. > On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD Melbourne" > Engine No. F1082. > Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? > Thanks........ > > Andy Nicholson > Townsville Qld > OZ > > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Feb 15 20:28:59 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:28:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Engine ID Message-ID: Hi Brent, I wish I had know all this back in 1954. Thanks. Next time I find a Villiers engine I'll be better prepared to deal with it. Ron In a message dated 2/15/2008 10:16:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz writes: Ron i repair villier engines mainly 2 and 4 stroke stationary engines there is an arrow on the fly wheel that lines up with a mark on the body at the back of the flywheel roughly at 10 oclock a half moon shape with a line ,The arrow mark on the flywheel and the line on the body line up; on the crank there is normally a slot that is set directly to the top if these are all lined up tighten the centre bolt and it should fire a common fault also with them is the condenser packs up this is normally hiding underneath the points if there is no mark you might have to set the piston at just before tdc if you can put a piece off wire in the head it drops about 3mm i think.All the engines are set that way that i have.. In regard to the condenser you can use a car type one 12volt will do the same job just to get the engine running if you have trouble getting a spark they are great little engines there is a place in england that sells parts for them but the car one works fine.hope that helps brentnz **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From alharris44 at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 21:17:55 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:17:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <022201c87051$86c92450$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <022201c87051$86c92450$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <47B67203.6040004@gmail.com> A bit of Aussie input on non-kiwi Villiers: brent wrote: > Ron i repair villier engines mainly 2 and 4 stroke stationary engines there > is an arrow on the fly wheel that lines up with a mark on the body at the > back of the flywheel roughly at 10 oclock On my Villiers Mk 10KS and Mk 12HS it is at 12 o'clock. a half moon shape with a line ,The > arrow mark on the flywheel and the line on the body line up; on the crank > there is normally a slot that is set directly to the top the keyway on my two engines if these are all > lined up tighten the centre bolt and it should fire a common fault also with > them is the condenser packs up this is normally hiding underneath the points a GL103 is a good option if it can be sourced > if there is no mark you might have to set the piston at just before tdc if > you can put a piece off wire in the head it drops about 3mm or 3/16" before TDC i think.All the > engines are set that way that i have.. In regard to the condenser you can > use a car type one 12volt will do the same job just to get the engine > running there is a modification to use a 6v or a 12v coil, running off the flywheel coils primary winding too, if the flywheel coil is history. I can supply this mod if needed. if you have trouble getting a spark they are great little engines > there is a place in england that sells parts for them but the car one works > fine.hope that helps brentnz They are fun little engines, Al Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID > > >> Hi Andy, >> >> If it helps I do know Villiers did make an engine for a small motorcycle. > I >> once had a James cycle with a Villiers engine. It was not a moped as it > had >> no bicycle pedals. I think it had a three speed transmission. I didn't >> have much luck with getting it to run right as I could never figure out > the >> spark timing. The flywheel was held in place by taper fit on the > crankshaft with >> no keyway. Eventually I returned it to the seller. >> Regards, >> Ron Carroll >> Clearmont, Missouri USA >> >> In a message dated 2/15/2008 6:56:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> rustyiron1 at bigpond.com writes: >> >> Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were > in >> storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. >> I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like > a >> Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. >> On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD > Melbourne" >> Engine No. F1082. >> Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? >> Thanks........ >> >> Andy Nicholson >> Townsville Qld >> OZ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy >> Awards. Go to AOL Music. >> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 > 10:10 AM >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 00:17:16 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:17:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> References: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> Message-ID: <6f6025160802160017q4033bbdfx98dbd99cbb8d8a48@mail.gmail.com> On 16/02/2008, Andy Nicholson wrote: > Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were in > storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. > I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like a > Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. > On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD Melbourne" > Engine No. F1082. > Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? > Thanks........ > > Andy Nicholson > Townsville Qld > OZ > There are a couple of books you can look out for: "The Villiers Engine", B E Browning, published by Pearson in the UK. "The Book of The Villiers Engine", published by Pitman in the UK. The Browning book is probably the better of the two (I have both here) and there are also versions for other makes such as BSA, JAP etc. 22 hits: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Browning&bi=0&bx=on&ds=30&kn=Villiers+and+engine&sortby=2&sts=t&x=24&y=3 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 16 00:55:32 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:55:32 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID References: Message-ID: <002f01c87079$b95a5d80$25c20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID > > Hi Andy, > > If it helps I do know Villiers did make an engine for a small motorcycle. I > once had a James cycle with a Villiers engine. It was not a moped as it had > no bicycle pedals. I think it had a three speed transmission. I didn't > have much luck with getting it to run right as I could never figure out the > spark timing. The flywheel was held in place by taper fit on the crankshaft with > no keyway. Eventually I returned it to the seller. > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri USA A good bit of Villers information is at the West Country virtual museum site. See http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/museum.htm Go to the Engineering hall & read the Villiers information. I find this site very interesting. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 05:00:24 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:00:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] British Class 7 Engine Patents - Now open Message-ID: <6f6025160802160500l7a9496acid97a4387ae0987ba@mail.gmail.com> (Managed to get the header spelt right this time!) The first 368 pages are up and running. You can either look in the Subject Matter Index, get the patent number(s) for the things you are interested in; or go to the Names Index to look up the people involved; then select individual pages from the menu below. Note that the pages menu is split into 1905 and 1906 years, Patents are numbered only within one year, so make sure you have the year right! Each page reference on the menu has the starting and finishing Patent number on it, so you can check that 'your' patent is there before you load the page. http://www.oldengine.co.uk As usual, there may be glitches or typo's or missing links, so let me know as soon as you find anything please. The next section, Part 2, will have the 1907-1908 Patents, and I'll start that when I get back from Gibraltar. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sat Feb 16 11:18:05 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:18:05 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID References: <002f01c87079$b95a5d80$25c20b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <010501c870d0$a8bbaf40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Dave good sites lots of various info worth checking out brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:43 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID > > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > If it helps I do know Villiers did make an engine for a small motorcycle. I > > once had a James cycle with a Villiers engine. It was not a moped as it had > > no bicycle pedals. I think it had a three speed transmission. I didn't > > have much luck with getting it to run right as I could never figure out the > > spark timing. The flywheel was held in place by taper fit on the crankshaft with > > no keyway. Eventually I returned it to the seller. > > Regards, > > Ron Carroll > > Clearmont, Missouri USA > > A good bit of Villers information is at the West Country virtual museum site. > See > http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/museum.htm > Go to the Engineering hall & read the Villiers information. > I find this site very interesting. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM > > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sat Feb 16 14:48:45 2008 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:48:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lalley Lite Info Message-ID: <001301c870ee$1932b4e0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Help please!!! I understand Loren Erwin of Carthage,MO. has a manual for Lalley Light gen-set. engines at ipa.net address I have for Loren is unknown also Paul Gray or Frank Eddy may have some info. Anybody know them or contact availability? Thx. George From glenn.karch at att.net Sat Feb 16 18:42:02 2008 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:42:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Lalley Lite Info Message-ID: <372469.93577.qm@web83719.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Frank Eddy passed away a couple years ago. ----- Original Message ---- From: armstrong To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:48:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Lalley Lite Info Help please!!! I understand Loren Erwin of Carthage,MO. has a manual for Lalley Light gen-set. engines at ipa.net address I have for Loren is unknown also Paul Gray or Frank Eddy may have some info. Anybody know them or contact availability? Thx. George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 16 22:32:59 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:32:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080217063246.SWQA2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Thanks Rick. Another year older but not any wiser. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Friday, 15 February 2008 12:37 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Test Coming in loud and clear in "The Big Sky" Patrick...btw..HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!! RickinMt. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 16 22:33:18 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:33:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080217063306.DDSA23420.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Well, that woke everyone up :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 23:12:09 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:12:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <20080217063306.DDSA23420.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080217063306.DDSA23420.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6f6025160802162312h37d91a2dv3fa6fa3a4f4f080@mail.gmail.com> On 17/02/2008, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Well, that woke everyone up :) > > Patrick M Livingstone Everyone is obviously heads-down and working on their engines! Frosty and clear this morning, got a nice tax refund on the way as well, so feeling quite perky :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Feb 17 05:26:58 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:26:58 EST Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: In a message dated 2/17/2008 2:16:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: got a nice tax refund on the way as well, Peter, I knew George Bush was trying to help the sluggish economy, but did not realize he was sending the "jump start" checks world wide! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 08:34:46 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:34:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160802170834y1b6b3b24h924a0352e21b4b8e@mail.gmail.com> On 17/02/2008, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/17/2008 2:16:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, > listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: > > got a nice tax refund on the way as > well, > > > Peter, > > I knew George Bush was trying to help the sluggish economy, but did not > realize he was sending the "jump start" checks world wide! > > > Tom Schmutz We are VERY grateful for all contributions, Tom! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From alharris44 at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 12:13:25 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:13:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> References: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> Message-ID: <47B89565.7000805@gmail.com> Ozzies (Vic's, maybe SA's, any old fogies), Andy uploaded a few pics of the 2-stroke with which I have made a sloppy montage. Also note that the word "FieldMaster" is on the start-rope pulley. Google was *not* my friend. Maybe the pics will stir some memories up in someone. > http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/andys_two-stroke.jpg Cheers, Al Clarence Coast NSW Oz Andy Nicholson wrote: > Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were in > storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. > I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like a > Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. > On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD Melbourne" > Engine No. F1082. > Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? > Thanks........ > > Andy Nicholson > Townsville Qld > OZ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Doug.Cockram at toyota.com.au Sun Feb 17 15:33:55 2008 From: Doug.Cockram at toyota.com.au (Doug.Cockram at toyota.com.au) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:33:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] rally coming up Message-ID: Thanks very mutch Alan With the Rudof Deisel Rall upon us at Lake GoldSmith, I have alread been to the first working be, and still much tobe done. Saddley I shan,t bee traveling to NSW. But I have already put a reminder in for next xmass in my PDA to catch up with you then regards doug C. "Alan " To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" , Sent by: sel-bounces at lists.stationary cc: -engine.com Subject: [SEL] rally coming up 15/02/2008 12:11 PM Please respond to The SEL email discussion list Some more info re the Wagga Rally The Wagga Rally is on again Saturday 5th & Sunday 6th April,2008 At Gumly Oval Pioneer Ave, Gumly Gumly, via Wagga Wagga NSW Alan Wheaton Wagga http://www.oldengine.org/members/wagga/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ###################################################################### DISCLAIMER: This email and any attachment may contain confidential information. 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What a beautiful old piece of machinery. His name, "Raymond", was given to him by my friend Justin Ludewig. When Justin first saw the bore and stroke he said "This engine is going to BARK!" Justin had many years ago worked for a boss with the name "Raymond Bark" so this engine became known as Raymond - because he was going to "bark". As it turned out Raymond never "barked" - even before I built him a silencer. Raymond preferred to act as the perfect "English Gentleman" - "quiet and aloof" and went about his business of delivering power with a minimum of fuss. I last started him as part of my "New Years Crankup" and he's been standing outside ever since - albeit with his own tarpaulin to protect him from the elements. Tonight he fired with just one turn of the crank handle. I've often written to the SEL about him but for those who missed these posts you can read about Raymond here: He is a really beautiful old gentleman (even with his Lister 6/1 spoked flywheels which are so much "handsomer" (poetic licence invoked) than his original solid flywheels) and he always enjoys a drink with his present guardian (that's me). Tonight I played with his carby settings and had him firing happily only 26 times per minute (he's throttle governed - not "hit 'n miss".). This equates to about 300+ R.P.M. (or less) (He also has an oil pump so does not mind running so slowly because the oil pump still gets the good stuff to the important parts!) This is well below his normal working speed but he spent many years working hard and is retired now (and he will never again be asked to work to the maximum). All he needs to do now is enthrall crowds at engine shows (and have a regular drink with his present owner (me again)). Raymond loves having a drink with me - I have a glass of "Brandy & Coke" and he has a glass of "Petrol". The only problem is that he drinks so much slower than me and I find myself "topping up" for myself more often than for him! We spent about 3 1/2 hours of really quality time together tonight. Some of Raymonds "claims to fame" are: a) He is the only restored and running Wolseley "Type R" in South Africa. b) The Australian Wolseley register only lists about 6 of these engines (thats the 6HP version) (Of course there will be more unregistered!) c) He's such a gentleman ! d) His "Dad" (thats me again) loves him to pieces. I asked the SEL (and OldEngine) lists to vote (about 18 months ago) as to wether I should "slick him up" and paint him or "leave him as he is". The "leave him as he is" lobby won but I was not convinced. I decided to wait and see. I'm still undecided ! I love him in his "working clothes". I've got quite a few less illustrious engines that are "all slicked up" and they do attract a lot of attention and compliments at engine shows but these comments just do not seem to measure up to the comment "Hey look - here's a really old one!" This usually comes from a person who knows nothing about old engines but, because the Wolseley is not "all slicked-up" and does have a few oil leaks and is dirty and rusty they naturally assume that it is REALLY, REALLY old and it "steals the show" as far as they are concerned. I think I'll keep him as he is :-) Now to find plans for a Rusty Cart :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 18 14:20:06 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:20:06 EST Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! Message-ID: Hard to believe that this engine is only one day older than I am! Francis In a message dated 2/18/2008 2:07:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: Just to restore my faith in old engines I decided to have a drink with my old Wolseley "R Type" born 18/08/1928. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Feb 18 16:07:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:07:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080218221212.00badb80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: 'Ya done good, guy! It's really nice to have an old friend who you can drink with. :-) Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 04:00 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! > > > Hi Guys, > The SEL Digest arrived a while ago and > only 2 posts and none of > them interesting - damn. > > Just to restore my faith in old engines > I decided to have a drink > with my old Wolseley "R Type" born 18/08/1928 .............................snip.................................. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Feb 18 20:41:08 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:41:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Epson transfer Message-ID: <20080218.204108.1924.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I just moved my first album from Epson to Picasa (Google). I hope it works. This is from 2003 so you won't see anything new. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/HighlandCitrusFestival Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Feb 18 21:23:57 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:23:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Epson transfer In-Reply-To: <20080218.204108.1924.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000701c872b7$a24917e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Looks good Ron Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2008 3:41 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Epson transfer Hi all. I just moved my first album from Epson to Picasa (Google). I hope it works. This is from 2003 so you won't see anything new. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/HighlandCitrusFestival Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 30/12/2007 11:27 AM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Feb 19 01:42:28 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:42:28 +1300 Subject: [SEL] British Class 7 Engine Patents - Now open References: <6f6025160802160500l7a9496acid97a4387ae0987ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011c01c872dc$1c983d90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter i am amazed at how much info you have downloaded massive job if you hadnt copied it would probably be lost forever well done at least this way it is made available to the public brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" ; Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:00 AM Subject: [SEL] British Class 7 Engine Patents - Now open > (Managed to get the header spelt right this time!) > > The first 368 pages are up and running. > > You can either look in the Subject Matter Index, get the patent > number(s) for the things you are interested in; > > or go to the Names Index to look up the people involved; > > then select individual pages from the menu below. Note that the pages > menu is split into 1905 and 1906 years, Patents are numbered only > within one year, so make sure you have the year right! > > Each page reference on the menu has the starting and finishing Patent > number on it, so you can check that 'your' patent is there before you > load the page. > > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > As usual, there may be glitches or typo's or missing links, so let me > know as soon as you find anything please. > > The next section, Part 2, will have the 1907-1908 Patents, and I'll > start that when I get back from Gibraltar. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM > From curt at rustyiron.com Tue Feb 19 04:50:47 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:50:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63111.168.215.206.73.1203425447.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Elden, Jerry, Your story prompts me to share with you an evening ritual Missy and I have been doing the last several years. Every weather decent evening, about dusk, I set a couple of easy chairs in the driveway and light the yellow dog. Meanwhile Missy has chilled a beer for me in the freezer and she makes a mixed drink concoction. She brings the drinks out and we chill to the flickering light of the yellow dog as the sun retires, talking about the day, work, the SEL, engine shows, etc. Just had our 21 wedding anniversary last week and it just keeps getting better. Old iron....old couples....doesn't get much better 'n that! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > Jerry: > > 'Ya done good, guy! It's really nice to have an old friend who you can > drink with. :-) > > Take care - Elden > >> >> Hi Guys, >> The SEL Digest arrived a while ago and >> only 2 posts and none of >> them interesting - damn. >> >> Just to restore my faith in old engines >> I decided to have a drink >> with my old Wolseley "R Type" born 18/08/1928 > > .............................snip.................................. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Feb 19 04:54:06 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:54:06 EST Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! Message-ID: Jerry, Cheers to Raymond! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Feb 19 07:02:12 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:02:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! In-Reply-To: <63111.168.215.206.73.1203425447.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Curt: You are a lucky guy to have a "Better Half" who likes your hobby. As with a lot of rustaholics, my wife only tolerates my hobby most times (not a biggie, it's just not her thing) but puts-up with it (and me!). Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 06:51 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] What I did tonight ! > > > Elden, Jerry, > Your story prompts me to share with you an > evening ritual Missy and I have > been doing the last several years. Every weather > decent evening, about > dusk, I set a couple of easy chairs in the > driveway and light the yellow > dog. Meanwhile Missy has chilled a beer for me in > the freezer and she > makes a mixed drink concoction. She brings the > drinks out and we chill to > the flickering light of the yellow dog as the sun > retires, talking about > the day, work, the SEL, engine shows, etc. Just > had our 21 wedding > anniversary last week and it just keeps getting > better. Old iron....old > couples....doesn't get much better 'n that! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 19 08:11:23 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:11:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Elden, It goes WAY beyond what Curt is telling you. Fact is--MISSY is the BRAINS behind their whole operation! Dave On Feb 19, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Elden DuRand wrote: > Curt: > > You are a lucky guy to have a "Better Half" who likes your hobby. > As with a lot of rustaholics, my wife only tolerates my hobby most > times (not a biggie, it's just not her thing) but puts-up with it > (and me!). > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of >> curt at rustyiron.com >> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 06:51 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] What I did tonight ! >> >> >> Elden, Jerry, >> Your story prompts me to share with you an >> evening ritual Missy and I have >> been doing the last several years. Every weather >> decent evening, about >> dusk, I set a couple of easy chairs in the >> driveway and light the yellow >> dog. Meanwhile Missy has chilled a beer for me in >> the freezer and she >> makes a mixed drink concoction. She brings the >> drinks out and we chill to >> the flickering light of the yellow dog as the sun >> retires, talking about >> the day, work, the SEL, engine shows, etc. Just >> had our 21 wedding >> anniversary last week and it just keeps getting >> better. Old iron....old >> couples....doesn't get much better 'n that! >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Feb 19 10:00:49 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:00:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! In-Reply-To: <63111.168.215.206.73.1203425447.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <63111.168.215.206.73.1203425447.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:50 AM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Just had our 21 wedding > anniversary last week and it just keeps getting better. Congratulations you two. Curt, any idea why she's tolerated you for all these years? Missy, are the kitchen shelves THAT high up? Rob From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 19 10:20:01 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:20:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] British Class 7 Engine Patents - Now open References: <6f6025160802160500l7a9496acid97a4387ae0987ba@mail.gmail.com> <011c01c872dc$1c983d90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <004f01c87324$0b35ef00$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Peter i am amazed at how much info you have downloaded massive job if you > hadnt copied it would probably be lost forever well done at least this > way > it is made available to the public brent As far as reprints showing up on ebay , its a pisser , but I always thought of it this way . The whole point is to get the data scanned and out on the web where it can begin its reproductive cycle . Like superbugs or teenagers, once introduced into the wild , you cant control the organism . It will reproduce for good folks, as well as weenies , it cant tell the difference . But the net result is it doubling , and your data lives "forever" , and thats the whole point . Getting full credit for your work is nice , but not realistic if you really wantit going viral . And a true conservator does , or it will eventually cease to exist . Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 19 10:36:56 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:36:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] That got me thinkin' References: <6f6025160802160500l7a9496acid97a4387ae0987ba@mail.gmail.com> <011c01c872dc$1c983d90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <005901c87326$67fe9c30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Sometimes I sits and thinks ,but sometimes I just sits . http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=castro+resigns+ Reckon there's any decent sideshafts or the like in Cuba ? Chuck / From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 12:01:12 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:01:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] British Class 7 Engine Patents - Now open In-Reply-To: <011c01c872dc$1c983d90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <6f6025160802160500l7a9496acid97a4387ae0987ba@mail.gmail.com> <011c01c872dc$1c983d90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <6f6025160802191201m6118d75cvf0341eb072b38cda@mail.gmail.com> On 19/02/2008, brent wrote: > Peter i am amazed at how much info you have downloaded massive job if you > hadnt copied it would probably be lost forever well done at least this way > it is made available to the public brent > Thanks, Brent. That is just under 1/20th of the total amount that we are going to put up, but it isn't going to happen overnight, we reckon a couple of years at least. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 21 12:29:12 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:29:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Roll'r tag..attn. Jerry Message-ID: Mainly for Jerry in S.A..........the tag arrived in great shape. My friend and I thank you very much for that. I was just wondering how deep you plan on getting into this? Please contact me off list so we can talk payment. I believe you have my email address..if not; Richard underscore Strobel7 at msn.com Take care, RickinMt. PS: Jer, emails not working for me. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 21 13:05:15 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:05:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] More good news Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys & Gals, This year really started off badly for me with lightning strikes, computer problems etc. but it seems like someone is looking after me and things are getting better. Last week it was an old acquaintance offering to sort out the diesel parts on my Witte and today I received an eMail from a total stranger who had visited my website. He had a model steam engine built by his grandfather between 1941 and 1945 and was looking to give it away to someone who would appreciate and look after it and "would I be interested" (Is the Pope a Catholic?). Of course the answer was "Yes". I picked it up tonight and it's beautiful. Appears to be complete and even has a miniature set of spanners (wrenches) with it. It is complete with a display table and glass box type lid. I'd never dreamt of owning a model steam engine - they are just too expensive and are not found under every bush. It needs to be cleaned up and polished and I'm meeting with a friend who is very clued up on Saturday. We will check it all out and decide on what do next then. I've put a few pics here - please have a look: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Feb 21 13:34:53 2008 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:34:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <47BDEE7D.3090502@fidnet.com> Jerry, You're right! It certainly does look like things have taken a turn for the better! That is a really neat steam engine. Maybe you can video it running and send a copy to your donor. Have fun, Gary Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys & Gals, > This year really started off badly for me with lightning strikes, > computer problems etc. but it seems like someone is looking after me and > things are getting better. Last week it was an old acquaintance offering to > sort out the diesel parts on my Witte and today I received an eMail from a > total stranger who had visited my website. > > He had a model steam engine built by his grandfather between 1941 > and 1945 and was looking to give it away to someone who would appreciate > and look after it and "would I be interested" (Is the Pope a Catholic?). Of > course the answer was "Yes". > > I picked it up tonight and it's beautiful. Appears to be complete > and even has a miniature set of spanners (wrenches) with it. It is complete > with a display table and glass box type lid. > > I'd never dreamt of owning a model steam engine - they are just > too expensive and are not found under every bush. > > It needs to be cleaned up and polished and I'm meeting with a > friend who is very clued up on Saturday. We will check it all out and > decide on what do next then. > > I've put a few pics here - please have a look: > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Thu Feb 21 13:53:01 2008 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:53:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More good news References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <00a601c874d4$21472aa0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Real nice!!! How small is it? Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Evans To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: [SEL] More good news Hi Guys & Gals, This year really started off badly for me with lightning strikes, computer problems etc. but it seems like someone is looking after me and things are getting better. Last week it was an old acquaintance offering to sort out the diesel parts on my Witte and today I received an eMail from a total stranger who had visited my website. He had a model steam engine built by his grandfather between 1941 and 1945 and was looking to give it away to someone who would appreciate and look after it and "would I be interested" (Is the Pope a Catholic?). Of course the answer was "Yes". I picked it up tonight and it's beautiful. Appears to be complete and even has a miniature set of spanners (wrenches) with it. It is complete with a display table and glass box type lid. I'd never dreamt of owning a model steam engine - they are just too expensive and are not found under every bush. It needs to be cleaned up and polished and I'm meeting with a friend who is very clued up on Saturday. We will check it all out and decide on what do next then. I've put a few pics here - please have a look: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Feb 21 15:36:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:36:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: You are indeed a lucky dog! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 03:05 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] More good news > > > Hi Guys & Gals, .......................snip..................... > > He had a model steam engine built by his > grandfather between 1941 > and 1945 and was looking to give it away to > someone who would appreciate > and look after it and "would I be interested" (Is > the Pope a Catholic?). Of > course the answer was "Yes". ..........................snip....................... > Jerry Evans From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Thu Feb 21 22:18:27 2008 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:18:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] More good news References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <002201c8751a$bceb8410$0200000a@Andy> Hi Jerry. We have a saying here in Australia, "Kissed on the *ick" for any one that picks up some thing really good. It looks like you should get a lot of enjoyment out of it. Andy Nicholson Townsville Qld OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:05 AM Subject: [SEL] More good news > Hi Guys & Gals, > This year really started off badly for me with lightning strikes, > computer problems etc. but it seems like someone is looking after me and > things are getting better. Last week it was an old acquaintance offering > to > sort out the diesel parts on my Witte and today I received an eMail from > a > total stranger who had visited my website. > > He had a model steam engine built by his grandfather between 1941 > and 1945 and was looking to give it away to someone who would appreciate > and look after it and "would I be interested" (Is the Pope a Catholic?). > Of > course the answer was "Yes". > > I picked it up tonight and it's beautiful. Appears to be complete > and even has a miniature set of spanners (wrenches) with it. It is > complete > with a display table and glass box type lid. > > I'd never dreamt of owning a model steam engine - they are just > too expensive and are not found under every bush. > > It needs to be cleaned up and polished and I'm meeting with a > friend who is very clued up on Saturday. We will check it all out and > decide on what do next then. > > I've put a few pics here - please have a look: > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 22 02:01:11 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:01:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Address for engine man Message-ID: <000901c87539$dab30490$0200a8c0@altech> Hi all Does anyone know if Dave Miller of Nebraska has an email address please.? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 22 07:34:59 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:34:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <002201c8751a$bceb8410$0200000a@Andy> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <002201c8751a$bceb8410$0200000a@Andy> Message-ID: <8020DD6A-7BA8-4799-803E-FA3B78165A8C@alltel.net> -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Feb 22, 2008, at 1:18 AM, Andy Nicholson wrote: > Hi Jerry. We have a saying here in Australia, "Kissed on the *ick" > for any > one that picks up some thing really good. > Andy Nicholson Hi Andy, We have a US Senator here in our country who is in a lot of trouble for that sort of thing--problem is he tried to pick up a cop in a public toilet! Dave From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 22 13:41:17 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:41:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080222225709.00ba2e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 22/02/2008, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:53:01 -0500 >From: Denis Rouleau >Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <00a601c874d4$21472aa0$7c6fca18 at YOUR6ACD238E8D> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Real nice!!! How small is it? >Denis Rouleau Hi Denis, Question should read "How big is it ?" (smile) I'll put a dimensioned pic on the page (maybe later tonight) and post to the list but for now here are a few basic sizes (in metric): The wooden base is 570mm (w) X 320mm (d) X 150mm(h). The top of the "smokestack" is 370mm high (excluding the 150 mm (h) wooden base). The flywheel diameter is 150mm (6"). I spent some time last night oiling (aerosol penetrating fluid) all the moving parts as I did not want to try turning anything "over" and possibly forcing something that did not want to be forced :-) Everything is now loose except for the drain tap (valve ?) on the boiler. The whole engine turns very easily now as do all the other "valves". Earlier this evening I removed the bottom of the wooden base and took out the paraffin (kerosene) heating unit. It consists of 2 (linked) heavy brass tubes approx. 390mm long X 55mm diameter. This unit just lies loose in the base and has a "Primus" type burner which locates below the boiler tubes. It is a "homemade" unit and the actual burner unit looks like it was stripped off a "Primus" stove. The 2 tubes replace the "paraffin storage tank" on a normal "Primus" stove and incorporate a "filler tube" and a pressure release jet similar to what was fitted to a "Primus" (or old brass blowlamp). Something that I found to be very innovative was that it did not incorporate the normal "Primus" type pressure pump. Instead, it has a bicycle tube valve brazed into place and would have been pumped to pressure with an ordinary bicycle pump and connection tube. Once I had the base off I also discovered that the flyball governor is driven via a flexible shaft from a gear on the outrigger side of the flywheel. All very sturdily constructed and encased in a brass tube. There are also a few drain cocks hidden in the wooden base. I'll add more pics to the page a bit later tonight and let the lists know. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 22 15:09:14 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:09:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080222225709.00ba2e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080222225709.00ba2e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: > There are also a few drain cocks hidden in the wooden base. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans That's certainly a GREAT "find" Jerry. Can you tell me, please, the difference between a drain cock and a pet cock? Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 22 15:15:41 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:15:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080222231516.LTMJ16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> A drain cock could be found where the water is let out of your property while a pet cock would be found in the house ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- > There are also a few drain cocks hidden in the wooden base. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans That's certainly a GREAT "find" Jerry. Can you tell me, please, the difference between a drain cock and a pet cock? Dave From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Fri Feb 22 15:57:54 2008 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:57:54 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Fw: are you looking for a engine with a tractor attached Message-ID: <007301c875ae$bd81aa50$f301a8c0@armstrong> Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong Subject: are you looking for a engine with a tractor attached any one in need of an engine look at http://www.kruse.com/auctions/nebraska08/index.asp and click on brochure it is a big day out auction Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 22 16:18:31 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:18:31 +0200 Subject: [SEL] More good news/Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223014022.00b9ab00@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I just updated the page on the steam engine with more detailed pics and also showing some dimensions. Last night I oiled and cleaned all the moving parts and it is now all loose and turning freely (not that it was stuck but I just thought that it would be best to lubricate everything and get it running smoothly without applying any force - us South Africans do seem to have the habit of using brawn before brain :-)). I took the bottom plate off the box today and removed the burner and inspected the flexible drive to the flyball governor. Also managed to work out how the pump system for adding water to the boiler works. This engine seems very well designed and looks like it will run with minimum attention for quite a long time with it's water pump that refills the boiler as it's running. There are still quite a few parts that I do not know anything about (yet) but I'm meeting with a friend tomorrow who is a steam "fundi" so do expect that I will learn a lot. For the sake of people who looked at the page yesterday - the links (thumbnails) that have just been added or updated are those with a green background. Not that I would ever sell it but how about some estimates as to the value of something like this. I searched eBay last night and although there are many steam models on offer, they are mostly commercially produced and I never saw anything as intricate or detailed as this one. It would be nice to have some idea of value. P.S. I know these lists are primarily concerned with Internal Combustion engines and hope that you don't mind me posting about a model steam engine. It is, after all, a "Stationary Engine" or "Old Engine" and sure beats discussing beetles and stick bugs (Yes, I know that I started that thread - bummer). Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Feb 22 18:02:39 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:02:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <20080222231516.LTMJ16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Patrick: In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 05:16 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > > > A drain cock could be found where the water is > let out of your property > while a pet cock would be found in the house ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > -----Original Message----- > > > > There are also a few drain cocks hidden in the > wooden base. > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > That's certainly a GREAT "find" Jerry. Can you > tell me, please, the > difference between a drain cock and a pet cock? > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alharris44 at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 17:21:25 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:21:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47BF7515.4040208@gmail.com> Not just an ordinary chicken Elden. A doodle. Cackle, cackle, Al Elden DuRand wrote: > Patrick: > > In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. > > Take care - Elden > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Patrick M >> Livingstone >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 05:16 PM >> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >> Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news >> >> >> A drain cock could be found where the water is >> let out of your property >> while a pet cock would be found in the house ;) >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >>> There are also a few drain cocks hidden in the >> wooden base. >>> Keep the revs up (or down) >>> Jerry Evans >> That's certainly a GREAT "find" Jerry. Can you >> tell me, please, the >> difference between a drain cock and a pet cock? >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Feb 22 19:00:49 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:00:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <47BF7515.4040208@gmail.com> Message-ID: How do he do dat? Nyuk, nyuk! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 07:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > > > Not just an ordinary chicken Elden. A doodle. > > Cackle, cackle, > Al > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > Patrick: > > > > In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of > the ordinary chicken. > > > > Take care - Elden From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 22 18:03:11 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:03:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] kinematic model collections References: <007301c875ae$bd81aa50$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <000a01c875c0$3ede5d30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Lots and lots of models http://kmoddl.library.cornell.edu/index.php Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From alharris44 at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 18:23:13 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:23:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47BF8391.3040500@gmail.com> Just by struttin' his stuff. A cock, a doodle do. Cluk, cluk, Al Elden DuRand wrote: > How do he do dat? > > Nyuk, nyuk! > > Take care - Elden > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Al Harris >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 07:21 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news >> >> >> Not just an ordinary chicken Elden. A doodle. >> >> Cackle, cackle, >> Al >> >> Elden DuRand wrote: >>> Patrick: >>> >>> In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of >> the ordinary chicken. >>> Take care - Elden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 22 22:29:09 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:29:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I think that was the whole joke???? ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Patrick: In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. Take care - Elden From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 23 04:58:20 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After that it's pretty much a drain cock! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:29 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I think that was the whole joke???? ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > -----Original Message----- > > Patrick: > > In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. > > Take care - Elden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Feb 23 08:10:49 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:10:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> Message-ID: Goodern, Dave! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 06:58 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > > > On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until > the age of 70. After > that it's pretty much a drain cock! > Dave From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Feb 23 08:10:49 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:10:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Pretty lame, too - eh? Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:29 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > > > I think that was the whole joke???? ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > -----Original Message----- > > Patrick: > > In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of > the ordinary chicken. > > Take care - Elden From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Feb 23 15:22:29 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:22:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20080223202230.06E71229CEF@md5.pennswoods.net> Dave is that a good pet cock. R Fink At 07:58 AM 2/23/2008 -0500, you wrote: >On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After >that it's pretty much a drain cock! > Dave > > >-------- >David Rotigel >rotigel at alltel.net > > > >On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:29 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > > I think that was the whole joke???? ;) > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Patrick: > > > > In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. > > > > Take care - Elden > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1294 - Release Date: >2/22/2008 6:39 PM > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1294 - Release Date: >2/22/2008 6:39 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1294 - Release Date: 2/22/2008 6:39 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Feb 23 12:52:09 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:52:09 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223224453.00b99680@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, In June 2007 I wrote to the lists about a 22/24 H.P. Fielding and Platt Oil Engine that my friend Neville Botha had started restoring. Well he's finished and we had the "Start Up" today. I've put pics and a video (3.7 Mbytes) on my site here: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From rdi at rochester.rr.com Sat Feb 23 12:57:33 2008 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:57:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: are you looking for a engine with a tractor Message-ID: <000a01c8765e$b82fe890$0201a8c0@marlin> >any one in need of an engine look at >http://www.kruse.com/auctions/nebraska08/index.asp and click on brochure Wow! I've never seen so many tractors one spot. Didn't this person know that you can put more gas in the tractor when it runs out? :-) -Rick From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Feb 23 14:16:38 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:16:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223224453.00b99680@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Send my congratulations to Neville! Good video! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 02:52 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update > > > Hi All, > In June 2007 I wrote to the lists about > a 22/24 H.P. Fielding and > Platt Oil Engine that my friend Neville Botha had > started restoring. > > Well he's finished and we had the "Start > Up" today. > > I've put pics and a video (3.7 Mbytes) on my site here: > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Feb 23 13:22:45 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:22:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More good news Message-ID: <20080223.162747.1484.1.jlb94@juno.com> On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After that it's pretty much a drain cock! = = = = = = ROFLMAO !!! ;-) Great !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " A lot of people who itch for success (_o_) never want to scratch for it." From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 23 13:35:11 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:35:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223224453.00b99680@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223224453.00b99680@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <1203802511.47c0918fd07de@webmail.city-net.com> Wow! What a beautiful engine and what a wonderful sound. A big WELL DONE to the crew! See ya, Arnie Quoting Jerry Evans : > In June 2007 I wrote to the lists about a 22/24 H.P. Fielding and > Platt Oil Engine that my friend Neville Botha had started restoring. > > Well he's finished and we had the "Start Up" today. > I've put pics and a video (3.7 Mbytes) on my site here: > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 23 14:10:20 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:10:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223224453.00b99680@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1203802511.47c0918fd07de@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001a01c87668$e1b1c760$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> And they're all barefoot ! Bravo Chuck > Wow! What a beautiful engine and what a wonderful sound. A big WELL DONE > to > the crew! > > See ya, Arnie From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 15:20:06 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:20:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223225213.00ba44a0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <997795.22482.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jerry, Thanks a bunch. The only problem is that video is too short. 8>)) Monday morning is my birthday and I have way too much stuff to do in the afternoon. Seeing that video makes me want to take a pail of hot water out to my engine shed first thing in the morning and fire up an engine. Maybe I will spend a few morning hours out there melting lead wheel weights into clean ignots listening to a H&M Hercules. I still have about 125 pounds of weights to clean. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > In June 2007 I wrote to the lists about a 22/24 H.P. Fielding and > Platt Oil Engine that my friend Neville Botha had started restoring. > > Well he's finished and we had the "Start Up" today. > > I've put pics and a video (3.7 Mbytes) on my site here: > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Feb 23 15:56:12 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:56:12 +0900 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47C0B29C.2080004@optusnet.com.au> Elden DuRand wrote: > Pretty lame, too - eh? > > Take care - Elden === Rather limp, I thought . . . JW? === From johnculp at btes.tv Sat Feb 23 18:52:23 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:52:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> Message-ID: That was truly inspired, Dave! :-D (Or else the voice of experience.) John On Feb 23, 2008, at 7:58 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After > that it's pretty much a drain cock! > Dave John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Feb 23 19:45:17 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:45:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223224453.00b99680@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <002b01c87697$ac4c25f0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Hi Jerry Thanks for posting this: the video is great! I can't imagine working in the shop with no shoes (must me a SA thing). I do a lot of machine work so my shop floor is usually covered with little sharp curly things. We are still getting snow here in Idaho; it won't be to long now and the weather will start getting nice. Best Regards, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:52 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update > > Hi All, > In June 2007 I wrote to the lists about a 22/24 H.P. Fielding and > Platt Oil Engine that my friend Neville Botha had started restoring. > > Well he's finished and we had the "Start Up" today. > > I've put pics and a video (3.7 Mbytes) on my site here: > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ NOD32 2898 (20080223) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Feb 23 23:50:51 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:50:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> Message-ID: <008801c876be$149063d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Sadly, I have to agree with you on this! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After > that it's pretty much a drain cock! > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:29 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> I think that was the whole joke???? ;) >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Patrick: >> >> In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. >> >> Take care - Elden >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From alharris44 at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 00:37:30 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:37:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <008801c876be$149063d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> <008801c876be$149063d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <47C12CCA.6090703@gmail.com> Excuse me! Is that Reg, or Marg? Al R & M Ingold wrote: > Sadly, I have to agree with you on this! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:58 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > > >> On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After >> that it's pretty much a drain cock! >> Dave >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:29 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> >>> I think that was the whole joke???? ;) >>> >>> Patrick M Livingstone >>> Leichhardt NSW >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> Patrick: >>> >>> In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. >>> >>> Take care - Elden >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Feb 24 01:37:46 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:37:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net><008801c876be$149063d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <47C12CCA.6090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <012201c876c8$f208aa10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Er, It Is actually Reg!! Sad to have to admit, but........ Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > Excuse me! > > Is that Reg, or Marg? > > Al > > R & M Ingold wrote: >> Sadly, I have to agree with you on this! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news >> >> >>> On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After >>> that it's pretty much a drain cock! >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> -------- >>> David Rotigel >>> rotigel at alltel.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:29 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >>> >>>> I think that was the whole joke???? ;) >>>> >>>> Patrick M Livingstone >>>> Leichhardt NSW >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> Patrick: >>>> >>>> In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. >>>> >>>> Take care - Elden >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Feb 24 07:16:42 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:16:42 EST Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update Message-ID: In a message dated 2/23/2008 10:48:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, ddotto at cableone.net writes: I can't imagine working in the shop with no shoes (must me a SA thing). Dave, That "shop" looks more like a museum than a shop. Things on shelves/floor are just too neat! Great restoration job to a nice engine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Feb 24 09:54:27 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:54:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update/barefoot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080224194522.00ba2a90@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 24/02/2008, you wrote: >Message: 11 >Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:45:17 -0700 >From: "Dave Otto" >Hi Jerry >Thanks for posting this: the video is great! I can't imagine working in the >shop with no shoes (must me a SA thing). I do a lot of machine work so my >shop floor is usually covered with little sharp curly things. >We are still getting snow here in Idaho; it won't be to long now and the >weather will start getting nice. >Best Regards, Dave >Dave Otto >Boise, Idaho Hi Dave, I already replied to this on the Oldengine list but for those who do not belong to it, heres the same reply: Neville loves to go barefoot but don't worry about "little sharp curly things" on the floor. Thats his showroom/museum - not workshop - the floor is so spotless you could eat off it :-) (that's NOT another South African thing !! :-) I must add that his workshop is almost as clean but you are likely to find the odd curly thing on the floor there but only for a few minutes after he's used the lathe or drill press - thereafter it is swept up. P.S. Chuck, we were not ALL barefoot, just Neville but I must admit that I also usually go barefoot in my shop and office in summer - it's just so comfortable (and no smelly socks) :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Feb 24 10:06:58 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:06:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080224195932.00baa6b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 23/02/2008, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0500 >From: David Rotigel >On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After >that it's pretty much a drain cock! > Dave Good one Dave, But, one way or another it does not matter what you call your cock - just don't "Pet" it too much or it will "Drain" you and you'll get hair growing in the palm of your hand :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 24 13:54:55 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:54:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] more good news....now OT! Message-ID: <000901c8772f$e9276320$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> This subject has without a doubt is now in the category of OT! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sun Feb 24 14:12:17 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:12:17 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Express Message-ID: <000c01c87732$53a791a0$0f0b6e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guys, The old iron express finally trunddled in to Scotland yesterday almost six months to the day since I handed my purchases at Portland over for shipping home. I must say that it was a good feeling unloading them in my shop last night, ( a few celebratory beers were had once the manual work was done ) the feeling was even better this morning when I had hoth of them running. I would also be obliged if anyone could help me with the correct paint colour or code for paint for a Waterloo boy air cooled. Thanks, Craig in Scotland From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Feb 24 17:27:32 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:27:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Express In-Reply-To: <000c01c87732$53a791a0$0f0b6e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <000c01c87732$53a791a0$0f0b6e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: On Feb 24, 2008, at 2:12 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Guys, > The old iron express finally trunddled in to Scotland > yesterday almost six months to the day since I handed my purchases > at Portland over for shipping home. I must say that it was a good > feeling unloading them in my shop last night, ( a few celebratory > beers were had once the manual work was done ) the feeling was even > better this morning when I had hoth of them running. > I would also be obliged if anyone could help me with the correct > paint colour or code for paint for a Waterloo boy air cooled. All of the Yanks are shedding a tear for the irreplaceable industrial heritage which was so savagely raped and pillaged by the Scotch Pirate. . . .. ... .... ..... ...... ....... ...... ..... .... ... ... .. . . So Blackbeard, You comin' back for another shipload this year? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 25 06:36:04 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:36:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> Message-ID: <006101c877bb$c0570fe0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Did you see em smack the grin off Enzyte Bob to the tune of $100 mill ? > That was truly inspired, Dave! :-D > > (Or else the voice of experience.) > > John > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 26 06:26:24 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:26:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron Message-ID: Howdy all; Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast iron....like a flux of some sort? I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the mounting hardware was "leaded in." Thanks much!! RickinMt. PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. From svsuzanne at copper.net Tue Feb 26 07:04:58 2008 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:04:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An acid based flux is required. The biggest problem might be getting the cast hot enough. I would probably use 50/50. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > Howdy all; > Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the > mounting hardware was "leaded in." > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. > > PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank > Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: > 269.20.9/1291 - Release Date: 2/21/2008 11:05 AM > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 26 07:15:13 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:15:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] USS Arkansas Feb.26 , 1945 References: Message-ID: <000401c8788a$62d9ccc0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> 0225-Jap planes are on their way in-flew by us at 8,000 yds.-we held fire 0600-GQ 0900-We are just keeping at watch on the island. 1200-You can see the "See-Bees" working on the #1 airfield. 1400-Jap planes are back. 1500-Our fighters reports 7 Japs out of 7- our lose 0 1900-The Tokyo Express is out again. They are catching it from our fighters. Note-The Japs are using suicide planes on our ships.They crash head on to any ship they can hit.As yet we are lucky as hell-Why we stay here is now beyond me.Today our Marines are on #2 airfield.Our planes really worked over the island.We did not shoot today. From svsuzanne at copper.net Tue Feb 26 07:04:58 2008 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:04:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A204A7B20EF4487AF46C5252D23D07B@DanPC> An acid based flux is required. The biggest problem might be getting the cast hot enough. I would probably use 50/50. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > Howdy all; > Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the > mounting hardware was "leaded in." > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. > > PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank > Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: > 269.20.9/1291 - Release Date: 2/21/2008 11:05 AM > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Feb 26 08:18:25 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:18:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: You need to get some acid flux to get the solder to adhere to cast iron. Clean the area 'til you are down to clean metal then apply the flux and heat the part until the lead will melt against the cast. Then you should see the lead flow. More flux may be necessary after heating. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 08:26 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > > > Howdy all; > Is there something special about getting lead > to stick to cast > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly > large crank and the mounting > hardware was "leaded in." > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue Feb 26 07:30:46 2008 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:30:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47C430A6.7010801@xplornet.com> Hello Rick, I think lead is normally sized to fit the hole and then swelled with a hammer and punch to lock it into place. Hard to get lead to stick to the graphite content in cast iron. Rupert Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the mounting > hardware was "leaded in." > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. > > PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank > Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From jbcast at charter.net Tue Feb 26 07:37:54 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 7:37:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09> There was a process for repairing freeze damaged cast iron, involved heating and rubbing copper on the cast until it had a copper color, then it could be soldered. J.B. Castagnos From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Feb 26 08:01:14 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:01:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: Message-ID: <005c01c87890$d0f4ff80$0202a8c0@Ed> Hi Rick, I had some soldering acid once that was loaded with copper. When I put it on sheet iron, it left a copper coating. If you try this, let me know if it works. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > Howdy all; > Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the > mounting hardware was "leaded in." > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. > > PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank > Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Feb 26 15:14:16 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:14:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080226201421.830B2229A60@md5.pennswoods.net> Rick i don't know if this would work but may try thinners acid. I have found it to fix any problem area i have run into. R Fink At 10:18 AM 2/26/2008 -0600, you wrote: >Rick: > >You need to get some acid flux to get the solder to adhere to cast >iron. Clean the area 'til you are down to clean metal then apply >the flux and heat the part until the lead will melt against the >cast. Then you should see the lead flow. More flux may be >necessary after heating. > >Take care - Elden > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard > > Strobel > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 08:26 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > > > > > > > Howdy all; > > Is there something special about getting lead > > to stick to cast > > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly > > large crank and the mounting > > hardware was "leaded in." > > > > Thanks much!! > > > > RickinMt. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >2/25/2008 9:22 AM > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >2/25/2008 9:22 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: 2/25/2008 9:22 AM From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 26 13:46:06 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:46:06 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: <005c01c87890$d0f4ff80$0202a8c0@Ed> References: <005c01c87890$d0f4ff80$0202a8c0@Ed> Message-ID: <47C4889E.7050509@optusnet.com.au> Howdy Rick. I've never tried to stick lead to cast iron, but I have done plenty of re-metalling (babbit) bearings in cast-iron. Would this be much different? I would clean the casting, heat it up plenty, and "tin" it with ordinary solder. (Thin coating of solder) Tin it using zinc chloride for flux ("Bakers Soldering Fluid" over here), otherwise make your own "killed spirits" - Hydrochloric acid (HcL) into which sufficient pieces of zinc have been added until it stops fizzing. Once tinned with solder, I'd expect the lead to "stick". BTW, if it only "sticks", you've failed. It has to bond intermolacularly. Hope this helps. JW? === > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:26 AM > Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > >> Howdy all; >> Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast >> iron....like a flux of some sort? >> >> I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the >> mounting hardware was "leaded in." >> >> Thanks much!! >> >> RickinMt. >> >> PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank >> Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 26 13:48:06 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:48:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: Message-ID: <001301c878c1$49da3e80$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Richard .....JB Castagnos is correct ,the surface of the Cast Iron needs to be etched with a Copper solution . A solution containing Copper salts will do it . Use a 50 /50 Tin /Lead solder with Borax or Sal ammoniac as a flux. If they are fly wheel weight I would be using the suggestion that someone made of peining them into position. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > Howdy all; > Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the > mounting hardware was "leaded in." > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. > > PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank > Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 26 14:17:25 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:17:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Beilers auction Message-ID: Any list members going to Beilers auction sale this weekend? http://www.rvfd58.com/pages/special_auction1.htm I am working down in New Holland PA this week and Friday is a day off. I will probably check things out and eat lunch there if nothing else. Ed Herreid _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From rex002 at centurytel.net Tue Feb 26 16:37:19 2008 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:37:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <200802262019.m1QKJ1tx027030@mail946c35.nsolutionszone.com> Message-ID: <001a01c878d8$ea2d8560$6400a8c0@home> I too am very interested in this topic , I have a carb that needs a copper/brass suction tube soldered to cast Iron , I have tried every thing to make it stick with no success , acid , rosin , and grinding to shinny cast , Just can't make lead stick , never tried the copper but it makes sense . where can a fellow get the copper salts needed ? Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >> > Howdy all; >> > Is there something special about getting lead >> > to stick to cast >> > iron....like a flux of some sort? >> > >> > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly >> > large crank and the mounting >> > hardware was "leaded in." >> > >> > Thanks much!! >> > >> > RickinMt. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >>2/25/2008 9:22 AM >> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >>2/25/2008 9:22 AM > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: 2/25/2008 > 9:22 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 26 19:19:52 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:19:52 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <200802262019.m1QKJ1tx027030@mail946c35.nsolutionszone.com> <001a01c878d8$ea2d8560$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <000701c878ef$a2558690$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Rex for your purpose Copper Nitrate painted onto the cleaned surface should be OK.Again use the Sal ammoniac or Borax as a flux when you do the soldering. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron >I too am very interested in this topic , I have a carb that needs a > copper/brass suction tube soldered to cast Iron , I have tried every thing > to make it stick with no success , acid , rosin , and grinding to shinny > cast , Just can't make lead stick , never tried the copper but it makes > sense . where can a fellow get the copper salts needed ? > > Rex Hinz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Fink Sr" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> > >> > Howdy all; >>> > Is there something special about getting lead >>> > to stick to cast >>> > iron....like a flux of some sort? >>> > >>> > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly >>> > large crank and the mounting >>> > hardware was "leaded in." >>> > >>> > Thanks much!! >>> > >>> > RickinMt. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >>>2/25/2008 9:22 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >>>2/25/2008 9:22 AM >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >> 2/25/2008 >> 9:22 AM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Feb 26 21:16:01 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:16:01 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> I have a suspicion that a solution of copper sulphate who have the same effect if it were coated onto the cast i think i read it somewhere may be worth a try. brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > There was a process for repairing freeze damaged cast iron, involved heating and rubbing copper on the cast until it had a copper color, then it could be soldered. > J.B. Castagnos > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1292 - Release Date: 2/21/2008 4:09 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Feb 27 03:13:26 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:13:26 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09> <002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> I found the reference i was looking for in an old book i have it was written when steam was the main form of transport it says to copper the surface of iron, steel or iron wire have the article perfectly clean then wash with the following solution and it at once presents a coppered surface rain water 3lbs sulphate of copper 1lb or simplified a 3:1 mix of water to copper sulphate once the suraface is coppered it should give the solder and copper something to stick to brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "brent" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > I have a suspicion that a solution of copper sulphate who have the same > effect if it were coated onto the cast i think i read it somewhere may be > worth a try. brentnz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:37 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > > > > > There was a process for repairing freeze damaged cast iron, involved > heating and rubbing copper on the cast until it had a copper color, then it > could be soldered. > > J.B. Castagnos > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1292 - Release Date: 2/21/2008 > 4:09 PM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1300 - Release Date: 2/26/2008 7:50 PM > > From eallandar at rohrerbus.com Wed Feb 27 05:10:19 2008 From: eallandar at rohrerbus.com (Ed Allandar) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:10:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Beilers auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004c01c87942$1af845e0$84e8c64b@Rohrer.lcl> I'm pretty much a list lurker but I hope to be there all day Friday. Ed Allandar Service & Parts The Rohrer Companies P.O. Box 100 - 1515 State Road Duncannon, PA 17020 717.957.5114 717.418.4401 (c) 1-800-735-6700 x223 www.rohrerbus.com www.rohrerbussales.com eallandar at rohrerbus.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Herreid Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:17 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Beilers auction Any list members going to Beilers auction sale this weekend? http://www.rvfd58.com/pages/special_auction1.htm I am working down in New Holland PA this week and Friday is a day off. I will probably check things out and eat lunch there if nothing else. Ed Herreid _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 27 10:04:52 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:04:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080227200313.00b96da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > Re: Sticking lead to cast iron Very Interesting thread - thanks guys. This one gets saved. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 27 09:45:57 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:45:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> <01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: Hey thanks guys!!! Lots of great ideas on and off list. Sure 'preciate it. Rick From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Feb 27 09:38:09 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:38:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, Need UK help References: <200802262019.m1QKJ1tx027030@mail946c35.nsolutionszone.com><001a01c878d8$ea2d8560$6400a8c0@home> <000701c878ef$a2558690$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004b01c87967$84f15520$0202a8c0@Ed> I have an internet friend, Alan in Newcastle, North East England UK who needs a Solid State Ignition module for his lawn mower. The Tecumseh part number is 34443 . Might one of you old iron men know where to find junk lawn mowers? or a place to get parts? Thanks, Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 10:34:25 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:34:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT, Need UK help In-Reply-To: <004b01c87967$84f15520$0202a8c0@Ed> References: <200802262019.m1QKJ1tx027030@mail946c35.nsolutionszone.com> <001a01c878d8$ea2d8560$6400a8c0@home> <000701c878ef$a2558690$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <004b01c87967$84f15520$0202a8c0@Ed> Message-ID: <6f6025160802271034l703e194ei2ef4f71dc6eb4bc9@mail.gmail.com> On 27/02/2008, Ed stoller wrote: > I have an internet friend, Alan in Newcastle, North East England UK who > needs a Solid State Ignition module for his lawn mower. The Tecumseh part > number is 34443 . Might one of you old iron men know where to find junk lawn > mowers? or a place to get parts? > > Thanks, > Ed Stoller I can ask our ride-on mower guy tomorrow, it's way past closing time here in the UK.... I'll be up his way on Monday, so 'might' be able to get something organised, but Tecumseh is not as prevalent in the UK as in the USA, it was owned by Rockwell for a time. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From JR504 at aol.com Wed Feb 27 10:48:11 2008 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:48:11 EST Subject: [SEL] OT, Need UK help Message-ID: Ed, There is a very large lawnmower repair shop down the road from me. Has has plenty of new and used parts for sale. Unfortunately right now most of his older used parts are under 5 feet of snow...will probably be 7 feet by the weekend. He is likely to have something. Let me know exactly what you're after. Joe Rappa Mexico, NY "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" Henry Ford **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Feb 27 11:29:58 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:29:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, Need UK help References: Message-ID: <008b01c87977$23dfd580$0202a8c0@Ed> Thanks Joe, I have the parts he needs, but I think he would be better off getting them locally in the UK. Peter Forbs has picked up the ball and is physically near by. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, Need UK help > Ed, > There is a very large lawnmower repair shop down the road from me. Has > has > plenty of new and used parts for sale. Unfortunately right now most of > his > older used parts are under 5 feet of snow...will probably be 7 feet by > the > weekend. He is likely to have something. Let me know exactly what > you're after. > Joe Rappa > Mexico, NY > > "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" > Henry Ford > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 14:23:58 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:23:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT, Need UK help In-Reply-To: <004b01c87967$84f15520$0202a8c0@Ed> References: <200802262019.m1QKJ1tx027030@mail946c35.nsolutionszone.com> <001a01c878d8$ea2d8560$6400a8c0@home> <000701c878ef$a2558690$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <004b01c87967$84f15520$0202a8c0@Ed> Message-ID: <6f6025160802271423t7970784co141de407f17e4cc2@mail.gmail.com> On 27/02/2008, Ed stoller wrote: > I have an internet friend, Alan in Newcastle, North East England UK who > needs a Solid State Ignition module for his lawn mower. The Tecumseh part > number is 34443 . Might one of you old iron men know where to find junk lawn > mowers? or a place to get parts? > > Thanks, > Ed Stoller Here's a dealer in Newcastle-on-Tyne: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gustharts Chainsaw Centre - Contact: Robert Gusthart Milk Hope Centre Blagdon Seaton Burn Newcastle upon Tyne NE13 6DA Tel.: 01670 789701 Opening Hours - Mon.: 0730-1700 hrs Fax: 01670 789002 Tue.: 0730-1700 hrs Email: sales at gustharts.co.uk Wed.: 0730-1700 hrs Website: www.gustharts.co.uk Thu.: 0730-1700 hrs Collection & Delivery: Y Fri.: 0730-1700 hrs Parking: Y Sat.: 0830-1500 hrs Sun.: CLOSED +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tecumseh UK: http://www.tecumsehuk.co.uk/ Tecumseh Power International Ltd., 152 / 154 Commercial Road, Staines, Middlesex. TW18 2QP Tel: 01784-460684 Fax: 01784-453563 Parts list: www.tecumsehuk.co.uk/pdf/plist04.pdf Note that the part you asked about now has a 'C' at the end: 34443 and is listed in the 2004 parts catalogue. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Feb 27 23:29:23 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:29:23 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Richard ...a little more to help you. A coppering solution............... To four ounces of distilled water add Copper Sulphate [ Blue Vitriol]. I am sorry but my recipe does not say how much ,you may have to experiment. Add 10 drops of Sulphuric Acid.Wipe the solution on to a grease free surface , [the cast iron].If you do not get a bright copper surface scour the surface with fine emery and add four or five more drops of the solution. You should then have a good surface to tin for your solder application to the cast iron. This recipe is one of many from a very old Machinists Book .It's prime purpose was to provide a easily seen surface when marking out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > Hey thanks guys!!! Lots of great ideas on and off list. > > Sure 'preciate it. > Rick > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 28 06:47:35 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:47:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> <000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Ok great Peter. I think we've seen both hydrochloric and suphuric acid used here. I would imagine the intent is to clean and leave a nice etched surface. Now I need to find the Copper Sulfate. I'm not fixing a crack or anything like that. Just adding weight to the crank counterweights that was melted out in order to get to the attaching hardware. I'd sure like to know how one balances an engine especially with the big flywheel belt pulleys. Seems I remember a gizmo that went on a vehicle wheel in the same area as the lead weights. It was a circular tube with many ball bearings in it and they would automatically balance the wheel and tire. Anyone else remember that gizmo and did it work? White stuff almost gone...crankup soon...whooopeeee. Rick > Richard ...a little more to help you. > A coppering solution............... > To four ounces of distilled water add Copper Sulphate [ Blue Vitriol]. I > am > sorry but my recipe does not say how much ,you may have to experiment. Add > 10 drops of Sulphuric Acid.Wipe the solution on to a grease free surface , > [the cast iron].If you do not get a bright copper surface scour the > surface > with fine emery and add four or five more drops of the solution. You > should > then have a good surface to tin for your solder application to the cast > iron. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 28 07:29:19 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:29:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> <000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000801c87a1e$b031a430$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > A coppering solution............... > To four ounces of distilled water add Copper Sulphate [ Blue Vitriol]. > >>> Vitriol there is no shortage of LOL , will that interchange with the copper sulfate for aquarium ich ? (malachite blue) You can buy that stuff everywhere . I have used the torch / copper tubing tinning trick for cracks and that works really good . As stated , getting the whole part hot enough to melt the solder is the real trick . You can turn an entire water jacket into a blast furnace with a little compressed air and some kero on a "wick" . Took a little fiddling to figure that one out . . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 28 08:21:57 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:21:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> <000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <59846.168.215.206.73.1204215717.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> > Ok great Peter. I think we've seen both hydrochloric and suphuric acid > used > here. I would imagine the intent is to clean and leave a nice etched > surface. Now I need to find the Copper Sulfate. > Rick Rick, If you don't find any on your side of the great plains let me know as that is one of the chemical we make over in skunk works (the chemcical plant). I could send you some. FWIW I had good luck tinning and bonding the Babbitt to cast parts using the tinning flux. Instead of lead to hold your weights in place could you use the Babbitt tinning flux and just pour Babbitt instead? I'm curious, why the need to assure tinning? Doesn't the white metal simply occupy space to lock the parts together taking advantage of negative draft? Certainly the OEM didn't rely on tinning to assure the parts stayed together? You've got my curiosity going on this. Could you post a few pictures? Curt Holland From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 28 11:17:43 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:17:43 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080228210200.00ba1e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 28/02/2008, you wrote: >From: "Richard Strobel" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > >Ok great Peter. I think we've seen both hydrochloric and suphuric acid used >here. I would imagine the intent is to clean and leave a nice etched >surface. Now I need to find the Copper Sulfate. Hi All, Copper Sulfate - Copper Sulphate - different spelling - are they the same thing (and it's just the Yanks who cant spell (just a joke) ? As a kid my Dad used Copper Sulphate in animal dips I think. It was also called "Bluestone" and came in bags - it was chips or crystals of a semi transparent bright blue colour. Are we talking about the same thing? Again, as a kid there were rumours (or Old Wives Tales) that the army (and boys boarding schools) added it to the mens/boys coffee as it was reputed to control those "urges" that us men are prone to. It was reputed to cause "Coopers Droop". I have no idea if there was any truth in this or not! I see this as rapidly developing into another "off topic" discussion :-) - apologies. Daleside Home for Wayward Girls and Wanton Women, If you're "a wantin" we're "a givin" Chief Interviewer - Jerry Evans From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Feb 28 11:56:54 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:56:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, Need UK help References: <200802262019.m1QKJ1tx027030@mail946c35.nsolutionszone.com><001a01c878d8$ea2d8560$6400a8c0@home><000701c878ef$a2558690$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><004b01c87967$84f15520$0202a8c0@Ed> <6f6025160802271423t7970784co141de407f17e4cc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009401c87a44$11a0e120$0202a8c0@Ed> Hi Ed, Thank you so much for taking the time to try and help me. You wouldn't believe that the place you suggested is about 5 miles away. I will use that as the last resort as I am not completely sure that is the problem. (Being a Capricorn). The cost will be ?34 + VAT . This will be about 80 dollars. I would prefer to hold out for a second hand one, and will wait until the lawn is around knee level or I get pressure from HID. (her in doors) to get it cut!! But if I get stuck I may take you up on your offer. I suppose it will cost about 10 dollars for postage, so 20 dollars for a working lawnmower is not to bad, Take care my friend, Regards, Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, Need UK help > On 27/02/2008, Ed stoller wrote: >> I have an internet friend, Alan in Newcastle, North East England UK >> who >> needs a Solid State Ignition module for his lawn mower. The Tecumseh >> part >> number is 34443 . Might one of you old iron men know where to find junk >> lawn >> mowers? or a place to get parts? >> >> Thanks, >> Ed Stoller > > Here's a dealer in Newcastle-on-Tyne: > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Gustharts Chainsaw Centre - Contact: Robert Gusthart > Milk Hope Centre > Blagdon > Seaton Burn > Newcastle upon Tyne > NE13 6DA > > Tel.: 01670 789701 Opening Hours - Mon.: 0730-1700 hrs > Fax: 01670 789002 Tue.: 0730-1700 hrs > Email: sales at gustharts.co.uk Wed.: 0730-1700 hrs > Website: www.gustharts.co.uk Thu.: 0730-1700 hrs > Collection & Delivery: Y Fri.: 0730-1700 hrs > Parking: Y Sat.: 0830-1500 hrs > Sun.: CLOSED > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Tecumseh UK: > > http://www.tecumsehuk.co.uk/ > > Tecumseh Power International Ltd., > 152 / 154 Commercial Road, > Staines, Middlesex. > TW18 2QP > Tel: 01784-460684 > Fax: 01784-453563 > > Parts list: > > www.tecumsehuk.co.uk/pdf/plist04.pdf > > Note that the part you asked about now has a 'C' at the end: 34443 > and is listed in the 2004 parts catalogue. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Feb 28 11:30:30 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:30:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed> Rick, Why don't you try to take a little acid and dissolve some copper wire in it, then apply to the cast iron to see if the copper will transfer to the iron. Maybe John Culp could help us here. In talking to my wife ( of 11 months now), her father would dissolve zinc shavings in acid and then use that solution to tin sheet metal. You may just have some old pot metal laying around for the zinc. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > Ok great Peter. I think we've seen both hydrochloric and suphuric acid > used here. I would imagine the intent is to clean and leave a nice etched > surface. Now I need to find the Copper Sulfate. > > I'm not fixing a crack or anything like that. Just adding weight to the > crank counterweights that was melted out in order to get to the attaching > hardware. I'd sure like to know how one balances an engine especially > with the big flywheel belt pulleys. Seems I remember a gizmo that went on > a vehicle wheel in the same area as the lead weights. It was a circular > tube with many ball bearings in it and they would automatically balance > the wheel and tire. Anyone else remember that gizmo and did it work? > > White stuff almost gone...crankup soon...whooopeeee. > > Rick > > > > > > >> Richard ...a little more to help you. >> A coppering solution............... >> To four ounces of distilled water add Copper Sulphate [ Blue Vitriol]. I >> am >> sorry but my recipe does not say how much ,you may have to experiment. >> Add >> 10 drops of Sulphuric Acid.Wipe the solution on to a grease free surface >> , >> [the cast iron].If you do not get a bright copper surface scour the >> surface >> with fine emery and add four or five more drops of the solution. You >> should >> then have a good surface to tin for your solder application to the cast >> iron. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 28 12:55:13 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:55:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: <001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed> References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Ed, The US Penny from 1982 and newer is 97.5% zinc core with 2.5% copper plating. So if you need some zinc look in your change ;-) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed stoller You may just have some old pot metal laying around for the zinc. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jdragoset at galvotec.com Thu Feb 28 13:50:13 2008 From: jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:50:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080228210200.00ba1e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Rick, If you can't find copper sulfate anywhere else, go to any pipeline field office and ask to see the "corrosion guy". He will have whatever small amount this job would need. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Evans [mailto:jerrye at databak.co.za] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:18 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron At 07:00 PM 28/02/2008, you wrote: >From: "Richard Strobel" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > >Ok great Peter. I think we've seen both hydrochloric and suphuric acid used >here. I would imagine the intent is to clean and leave a nice etched >surface. Now I need to find the Copper Sulfate. Hi All, Copper Sulfate - Copper Sulphate - different spelling - are they the same thing (and it's just the Yanks who cant spell (just a joke) ? As a kid my Dad used Copper Sulphate in animal dips I think. It was also called "Bluestone" and came in bags - it was chips or crystals of a semi transparent bright blue colour. Are we talking about the same thing? Again, as a kid there were rumours (or Old Wives Tales) that the army (and boys boarding schools) added it to the mens/boys coffee as it was reputed to control those "urges" that us men are prone to. It was reputed to cause "Coopers Droop". I have no idea if there was any truth in this or not! I see this as rapidly developing into another "off topic" discussion :-) - apologies. Daleside Home for Wayward Girls and Wanton Women, If you're "a wantin" we're "a givin" Chief Interviewer - Jerry Evans _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 16:37:15 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:37:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <372107.37179.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Better start with 1983 pennies. They made the switch in 1982. There actually are three different 1982 pennies. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- "Best, George" wrote: > Ed, > > The US Penny from 1982 and newer is 97.5% zinc core with 2.5% copper > plating. > > So if you need some zinc look in your change ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed stoller > > You may just have some old pot metal laying around for the zinc. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain > information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the > intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the > message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From weolson at wiktel.com Thu Feb 28 20:33:32 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:33:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080228210200.00ba1e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <53805962.20080228223332@wiktel.com> Hi Jim, Try searching for Copper Sulfate or Copper Sulfate uses in your search engine, you should get lots of hits. It's also used for controlling algae in ponds and killing tree roots in sewer system drain fields, amoung other uses. Thursday, February 28, 2008, 3:50:13 PM, you wrote: JD> Rick, JD> If you can't find copper sulfate anywhere else, JD> go to any pipeline field office and ask to see the "corrosion guy". JD> He will have whatever small amount this job would need. JD> Jim JD> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com JD> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Thanks, William Olson, mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Roosevelt, MN Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 29 05:38:41 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:38:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080228210200.00ba1e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <53805962.20080228223332@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <001f01c87ad8$661a8dc0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> BINGO!!!! killing tree roots in sewer system drain fields, amoung other uses. > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Feb 29 05:48:44 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:48:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <59846.168.215.206.73.1204215717.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Well Curt and gang,,,time to spill my gutz. This is a crank off the Wachs steam engine. The steam list is all but dead with only a few posts a year. I didn't get a before picture but with a little imagination you'll get my point. Hard to see but there's actually two studs w/nuts holding the counterweight on. This picture should tell it all. The nuts were leaded in plus an addtional layer which covered the end of the counterweight...I would swag an eighth inch or so. Thanks again for all the replies and will do some experimenting and look for some copper Sulf8 or Sulph8...lol. Here's the pix and you can do previous and next photo: http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2425581950039077051oAzvik It could very well be babbitt..will try the ring test. I would imagine the whatever was used to add weight for balancing and not lock the nuts. Take Care, RickinMt. > > Rick, > If you don't find any on your side of the great plains let me know as that > is one of the chemical we make over in skunk works (the chemcical plant). > I could send you some. > FWIW I had good luck tinning and bonding the Babbitt to cast parts using > the tinning flux. Instead of lead to hold your weights in place could you > use the Babbitt tinning flux and just pour Babbitt instead? > I'm curious, why the need to assure tinning? Doesn't the white metal > simply occupy space to lock the parts together taking advantage of > negative draft? > Certainly the OEM didn't rely on tinning to assure the parts stayed > together? > You've got my curiosity going on this. Could you post a few pictures? > Curt Holland > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Feb 29 21:16:32 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:16:32 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080228210200.00ba1e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <53805962.20080228223332@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <016d01c87b5b$6a695ef0$e0a6a7cb@nomadlbb0xuixe> Copper sulphate can be obtained from Graden nurserys as well or horse/farm supplies stores as used for treating infected hooves for cattle and horses and for cleaning sheep and cattle troughs of algae buildup etc brentnz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Olson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > Hi Jim, > Try searching for Copper Sulfate or Copper Sulfate uses in your search engine, you should get lots of hits. It's also used for controlling algae in ponds and killing tree roots in sewer system drain fields, amoung other uses. > > Thursday, February 28, 2008, 3:50:13 PM, you wrote: > > JD> Rick, > JD> If you can't find copper sulfate anywhere else, > JD> go to any pipeline field office and ask to see the "corrosion guy". > JD> He will have whatever small amount this job would need. > JD> Jim > > > JD> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > JD> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- > Thanks, William Olson, mailto:weolson at wiktel.com > Roosevelt, MN > > Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 4:34 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Feb 29 21:43:29 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:43:29 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080228210200.00ba1e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <53805962.20080228223332@wiktel.com> <001f01c87ad8$661a8dc0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <021801c87b5f$2e0afa00$e0a6a7cb@nomadlbb0xuixe> It definitely works as we constantly got blocked toilet drains caused by tree roots so gave it a blast with the copper sulphate and keep it clear for over three years we were clearing it about every 6-8 months brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > BINGO!!!! > > killing tree roots in sewer system drain fields, amoung other uses. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 4:34 PM > > From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Feb 1 14:14:58 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:14:58 EST Subject: [SEL] spyware OT Message-ID: For many years I have had Ad-aware SE (free addition) installed for spyware. I did this as a recommendation from the list during one of the discussions. SE is no longer available and the free addition is now Ad-aware 2007. I see where the 2007 updater now permanently runs in the background. I noticed on a blog where someone was having trouble with their computer slowing down considerably after installing 2007 and could not speed it up even after deleting much of 2007. I have had good success with SE and no problems incurred. I have not downloaded 2007 yet. Has anyone had any experience with it or are there other recommendations now for free spywhere to take the place of SE. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Feb 1 15:30:22 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:30:22 +0900 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801c8652a$6a191680$3e4b4380$@net.au> We used SE for years and were happy with it. We run it in conjunction with Spybot and what one didn't pick up the other did. After getting a new computer 6 months ago we put on Adaware 2007 and it seems to be problem free. We haven't noticed any performance problems although we are running a quad channel processor. I just checked while running a scan and it was using between 1 and 2% of capacity. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 7:15 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] spyware OT For many years I have had Ad-aware SE (free addition) installed for spyware. I did this as a recommendation from the list during one of the discussions. SE is no longer available and the free addition is now Ad-aware 2007. I see where the 2007 updater now permanently runs in the background. I noticed on a blog where someone was having trouble with their computer slowing down considerably after installing 2007 and could not speed it up even after deleting much of 2007. I have had good success with SE and no problems incurred. I have not downloaded 2007 yet. Has anyone had any experience with it or are there other recommendations now for free spywhere to take the place of SE. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025 48) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at btes.tv Fri Feb 1 15:41:03 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:41:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've got Ad-aware 2007 running on my PC at work. No complaints. John On Feb 1, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I have > not downloaded 2007 yet. Has anyone had any experience with it or are > there > other recommendations now for free spywhere to take the place of SE. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 1 16:02:38 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:02:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Decision Time In-Reply-To: <6f6025160801300951g7555f573se14535283c206414@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080202000225.XIJB3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Peter, You have worked things out well and I cannot see any flaws in your logic. I cannot see any reason to question your decision but I (personally) would find it very hard to part with most of my engines. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Seriously (for a minute anyway) After more discussions the other evening, and following on from George's posting, we are at the point of deciding on whether to devote more time to the website and engine matters therein, and less on the actual mechanical side of things. I am going to be 62 in February, and while I am still very active, the lugging around of big lumps of iron is starting to take its toll. Like my mate, Reggie, I also had a motorcycle accident (back in the early 1980's) and although I didn't break anything then, the muscles on my left arm and shoulder are starting to give me a fair bit of trouble, as a result of hitting a car that turned across me as I was overtaking him...(wrote off my BMW R100CS as well) Anyway, we wanted to get all the engine Patents and other carb/magneto stuff listed and on the website before I got to the stage where my eyesight wasn't up to doing the volume of computer work required. That implies something like 3-4 years work, and with the other stuff that we have in the queue for the website, I cannot see us having the time to play with the engines AND do the website work. The other problem is the cost of storage. We rent a farm building to house most of the overspill from the workshop and the engine tent outside the house, and that is going to get more expensive soon. That's nearly 1000sq ft altogether. We'll still be around and active on the Lists, but we will wind down the engine collection (about 15 at present) to just the Ruston and the Diter and maybe one of the Cub gennies. The decision is almost made, unless someone can give me a VERY good reason not to do it? Peter From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 1 16:09:45 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:09:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion Message-ID: <20080202000932.WGDS16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I am still beavering away at getting the Austral Register onto a computer database (as well as renovating the house, working long hours, & occasionally working on an engine). A lot of the information is now on the computer which is making maintaining the register a lot easier. I am thinking of putting some of the register data on my web site to make the information more accessible to the engine community. The question is how much should I put on the website? I am thinking of just the engine numbers, hp, style & year. This would allow people to see if their engine is on the register and if the basic details are correct. Is it worth doing this or will my helpfulness be abused? Suggestions and opinions gratefully accepted :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW The Austral Register http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Fri Feb 1 17:06:49 2008 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:06:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects In-Reply-To: <6652011.1201847548732.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6652011.1201847548732.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0241AEE9-2536-4531-A64B-A08C5B49A257@rustyiron.com> Gus - you NEED to come to Portland! *********** See ya, Kelley On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Gus wrote: > Kelly this sounds intersting whats your room no. and how many beers?? > I may have to go to Portland.... > -----Original Message----- >> From: Kelley Garcia >> Sent: Jan 30, 2008 6:42 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects >> >> Arnie, >> you DO realize, that poking me with a stick will have a very negative >> 'impact', come Portland time! Kapish, roomy? >> >> hi Curt and all, >> there will always be unfinished projects! well, until I can pull the >> pin at work anyway.... >> my list has 2 big ones. >> >> I have a '65 mustang that I have partially restored. This car was my >> mom's first new car and my first car when I was 16 and got my >> license. After playing with a car as a teenager is likely to do >> (headers, raised rear suspension to make room for the big L50 tires, >> rims, paint, etc), I thought it time to put it back to stock. >> >> the other project is a 5hp Ottawa drag saw [with saw]. it's stripped >> down and ready for me to start putting it back together again. >> >> what keeps me away from these projects? long hours at work, home >> maintenance, repairs or upgrades, and then Rob bringing home fresh >> projects :-) >> >> But there is no doubt, I will get to them! >> >> >> ********** >> Kelley Garcia >> La habra Kalifornia >> >> >> >> On Jan 30, 2008, at 5:23 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >> >>> Hi Curt, >>> >>> No damn wonder Kelley hasn't piped up. Think about it... >>> The word "unfinished" implies that _sometime_ in the future, the >>> project may be >>> finished. With Ms. Kelley's 'stang... Well, lets just say we'll >>> see the heat >>> death of the universe before THAT project is "finished." 8->>> >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> Quoting Curt : >>> >>>> George, >>>> Several have told of unfinished car stories. Hmmm Kelley hasn't >>>> piped >>>> up! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 1 18:46:00 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:46:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion References: <20080202000932.WGDS16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000501c86545$bee44980$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Patrick What you want to place on the web or any other source is entirely up to you. I guess it is based on what YOU want done with the information, are you wanting to write a book etc etc. Remembering that what goes on the WWW is public domain and you have basically no control over it, (forget copyright) so if in the future your wanting to write a good comprehensive history on Austral keep some secrets to yourself. Again this is your call mate. I have already had some information taken and used by others from my web site, as have others who have published stuff on the Web. I have been criticised by some for not publishing and making more available the info I have on R&V, what I have on R&V is my business and will become everyone's business one day, I promise. I am writing a book on R&V hence me not wanting everything on R&V on my web site. Anyone can copy manuals and pictures from catalogues and print here say, but to get the facts 100% correct takes a lot of time and in some cases money. You are lucky in that you have a register to go off and some surviving company records, I have nothing except old catalogues and I envy you. They do tell part of the story but not enough. You, I and others that run registers have one great thing in common, the fantastic help from enthusiasts and collectors on the two list forums here (ATIS & Oldengin.org) and those members on our registers. Use these people every chance you get, don't think you know it all because just when you think you do something comes along. This has happened to me many times. I wish you well in your venture and adventure on Austral and as an Austral owner I wait eagerly to read what ever you publish on the subject. As for the R&V Book, well guys be patient and I hope we are all still around when I get it out. ;-))) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >I am still beavering away at getting the Austral Register onto a computer > database (as well as renovating the house, working long hours, & > occasionally working on an engine). A lot of the information is now on the > computer which is making maintaining the register a lot easier. > I am thinking of putting some of the register data on my web site to make > the information more accessible to the engine community. The question is > how > much should I put on the website? > I am thinking of just the engine numbers, hp, style & year. This would > allow > people to see if their engine is on the register and if the basic details > are correct. Is it worth doing this or will my helpfulness be abused? > Suggestions and opinions gratefully accepted :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > The Austral Register > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 1 18:59:49 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:59:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Decision Time References: <20080202000225.XIJB3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001501c86547$ad30f790$0601a8c0@altech> Well Peter, you have had advise from around the world, now it is YOUR decision. I find is funny in being a member of the two engine Lists, it seems that the older some of us get the bigger our engines get. Then not long after we get them we are too old to lug them around. The main thing is, you have saved many pieces of old iron from the Chinese steel furnaces, it is now time to find new collectors and hopefully younger ones to take over your obsession and love of old iron. I also thank you for the tireless work on the web site and wish you well with your decision in the future. This year sees me drastically reducing my meagre collection to just a few engine I like, I am over the clutter as well. Don't get me wrong, I am still a rustaholic through and through. Good luck mate from Down Under Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > > Seriously (for a minute anyway) > > After more discussions the other evening, and following on from > George's posting, we are at the point of deciding on whether to devote > more time to the website and engine matters therein, and less on the > actual mechanical side of things. > > I am going to be 62 in February, and while I am still very active, the > lugging around of big lumps of iron is starting to take its toll. Like > my mate, Reggie, I also had a motorcycle accident (back in the early > 1980's) and although I didn't break anything then, the muscles on my > left arm and shoulder are starting to give me a fair bit of trouble, > as a result of hitting a car that turned across me as I was overtaking > him...(wrote off my BMW R100CS as well) > > Anyway, we wanted to get all the engine Patents and other > carb/magneto stuff listed and on the website before I got to the stage > where my eyesight wasn't up to doing the volume of computer work > required. That implies something like 3-4 years work, and with the > other stuff that we have in the queue for the website, I cannot see us > having the time to play with the engines AND do the website work. > > The other problem is the cost of storage. We rent a farm building to > house most of the overspill from the workshop and the engine tent > outside the house, and that is going to get more expensive soon. > That's nearly 1000sq ft altogether. > > We'll still be around and active on the Lists, but we will wind down > the engine collection (about 15 at present) to just the Ruston and the > Diter and maybe one of the Cub gennies. > > The decision is almost made, unless someone can give me a VERY good > reason not to do it? > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 1 18:57:55 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:57:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <20080202000932.WGDS16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080202000932.WGDS16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: > The question is how > much should I put on the website? > I am thinking of just the engine numbers, hp, style & year. > Patrick Why not all of it? Why would you want to keep it from the engine community? Dave From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 1 19:06:39 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:06:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT References: Message-ID: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> I have not liked the FREE Ad-aware SE or Spybot mainly because the Spyware is already in your machine and you have to manually scan for it and remove it. I use Windows Defender (yeah I know it is Microsoft) which live scans and removes without me doing anything. You get what you pay for, you get part of a program and not the entire program with the free ones. Defender I think is now parts of Vista. Your choice Peter, Oz > For many years I have had Ad-aware SE (free addition) installed for > spyware. > I did this as a recommendation from the list during one of the > discussions. > > SE is no longer available and the free addition is now Ad-aware 2007. I > see > where the 2007 updater now permanently runs in the background. I noticed > on a > blog where someone was having trouble with their computer slowing down > considerably after installing 2007 and could not speed it up even after > deleting > much of 2007. I have had good success with SE and no problems incurred. > I have > not downloaded 2007 yet. Has anyone had any experience with it or are > there > other recommendations now for free spywhere to take the place of SE. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 1 19:12:01 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:12:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Podlesak maggy infor wanted please Message-ID: <003001c86549$614f8b00$0601a8c0@altech> Hi guys My mate has a Podlesak magneto that I am trying to get parts for, repro or original. The is no name plate on his and no numbers that are visible. >From one dealer he wants to know if it is a JY or JZ. I do not have a clue. This is where you guys come into the ball game. Do any of you have photos of both or either type of Podlesak magneto so I can tell which one my mate has please. Please send photos to plowe at exemail.com.au and NOT to the LIST. I will keep you all in touch with the out come. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From ottawa at pa.net Fri Feb 1 20:19:56 2008 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:19:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? Message-ID: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Anyone on the List that has a WebShots Photo Account, is the WebShots Site down? Helen From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 1 20:48:40 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 04:48:40 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? References: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <001d01c86556$e4940d80$0dc20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George/Helen Myers" To: "The Sel email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 4:19 AM Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? > Anyone on the List that has a WebShots Photo Account, is the WebShots Site down? > Helen Working fine in UK. My site is below. Whatb is your site address? Dave Croft Warrington http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From antiquejd at fwi.com Fri Feb 1 21:40:10 2008 From: antiquejd at fwi.com (Michael Ostrander) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:40:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <001801c8652a$6a191680$3e4b4380$@net.au> Message-ID: <20080202054030.DBD0644487B@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> I too just installed the new version in the last 8 weeks after having it for a couple of years. Worked well for me. Mike -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray And Erica Freeman Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:30 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] spyware OT We used SE for years and were happy with it. We run it in conjunction with Spybot and what one didn't pick up the other did. After getting a new computer 6 months ago we put on Adaware 2007 and it seems to be problem free. We haven't noticed any performance problems although we are running a quad channel processor. I just checked while running a scan and it was using between 1 and 2% of capacity. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 7:15 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] spyware OT For many years I have had Ad-aware SE (free addition) installed for spyware. I did this as a recommendation from the list during one of the discussions. SE is no longer available and the free addition is now Ad-aware 2007. I see where the 2007 updater now permanently runs in the background. I noticed on a blog where someone was having trouble with their computer slowing down considerably after installing 2007 and could not speed it up even after deleting much of 2007. I have had good success with SE and no problems incurred. I have not downloaded 2007 yet. Has anyone had any experience with it or are there other recommendations now for free spywhere to take the place of SE. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025 48) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: 2/1/2008 9:59 AM From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Feb 1 21:49:06 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:49:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? In-Reply-To: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> References: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080202164848.02197410@ncable.com.au> Helen mine seems to be working fine regards Russell At 03:19 PM 2/02/2008, you wrote: >Anyone on the List that has a WebShots Photo Account, is the >WebShots Site down? > >Helen >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From ottawa at pa.net Fri Feb 1 22:26:58 2008 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:26:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? References: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> <7.0.1.0.1.20080202164848.02197410@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <00ac01c86564$9d3f5e90$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Which version are you running? It was working fine on Thursday but Friday I can't even log on to the main site. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Gilbert To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT WebShots? Helen mine seems to be working fine regards Russell At 03:19 PM 2/02/2008, you wrote: >Anyone on the List that has a WebShots Photo Account, is the >WebShots Site down? > >Helen >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 00:30:16 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:30:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: References: <20080202000932.WGDS16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6f6025160802020030q44e67690xea0ba0174ac6b474@mail.gmail.com> On 02/02/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > > The question is how > > much should I put on the website? > > I am thinking of just the engine numbers, hp, style & year. > > Patrick > > Why not all of it? Why would you want to keep it from the engine > community? > Dave Possibly to prevent abuse of the information. There have been cases in the UK where people have had 'callers' round their houses after information like this was published back in the early days of the preservation movement. It's always a difficult call on exactly what should go into the Public Domain, but I think Patrick has it about right. Not everyone is a gun-toting owner! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 2 03:56:17 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:56:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080202115604.TCZ20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Because I know it will annoy you Dave. What other reason could there be? Patrick Why not all of it? Why would you want to keep it from the engine community? Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 2 04:32:58 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:32:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion Message-ID: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hopefully I have found a middle ground on what to publish to the internet. Owners being tracked down and harassed is one major concern and I will not provide owners details without their express permission. Another problem is the massive amount of information and the confusing nature of some of it. Many of the early records of R-T do not refer to the engine numbers but the owners name or just the locality. Hence to work out which engine is which you have to chase around the records a lot to verify identities. Not really helpful on the website. Another problem is if the information is too readily available, why would an Austral owner bother to contact me? The help that I can give by giving more details on an engine is reciprocated by the Austral owner giving me what details they have of their engine. This all sounds very boring but every little detail helps expand the knowledge of the engines. If I published all the stuff I have on the web how long before it appears on eBay or on someone else's site with their name attached to my work? I hope to make a comprehensive printout of what I have (similar to the previous print runs of the register) in the next 12 months or so. For now I have placed a version of the register on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0208.html Let me know what you all think. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 2 04:14:55 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:14:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <20080202000932.WGDS16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20080202121441.OIA15981.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hopefully I have found a middle ground on what to publish to the internet. Owners being tracked down and harassed is one major concern and I will not provide owners details without their express permission. Another problem is the massive amount of information and the confusing nature of some of it. Many of the early records of R-T do not refer to the engine numbers but the owners name or just the locality. Hence to work out which engine is which you have to chase around the records a lot to verify identities. Not really helpful on the website. Another problem is if the information is too readily available, why would an Austral owner bother to contact me? The help that I can give by giving more details on an engine is reciprocated by the Austral owner giving me what details they have of their engine. This all sounds very boring but every little detail helps expand the knowledge of the engines. If I published all the stuff I have on the web how long before it appears on eBay or on someone else's site with their name attached to my work? I hope to make a comprehensive printout of what I have (similar to the previous print runs of the register) in the next 12 months or so. For now I have placed a version of the register on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0208.html Let me know what you all think. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 04:48:45 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:48:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6f6025160802020448k7be9f012y81bf995a55efd069@mail.gmail.com> On 02/02/2008, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > If I published all the stuff I have on the web how long before it appears on > eBay or on someone else's site with their name attached to my work? Not long in our experience. Genuine engine guys don't rip off stuff and re-sell it on a CD, but we have had a lot of 'others' who have tried to sell copies of information on ebay, not just from our website either. Since we started using Digimarc Digital Signature on all our images, we have been successful in stopping quite a few ripoff merchants as the images are traceable back to us. A few 'extras' in the HTML code, nothing special, just a bit of stuff that doesn't show on the page, also helps to make it easily traceable. Sad that we have to do it, but that's how things are. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Feb 2 06:55:39 2008 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:55:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Hi Patrick, I've been maintaining a few engine registries myself and it is lots of work, sometimes rewarding and often frustrating. I believe in sharing the info with others, otherwise I would not bother doing it but then I have no intention of writing books. Last July I became the owner of a couple Stickney engines and was surprise that so little was known or could be found about them, so I started a Stickney registry and I added several other pages on Stickney stuff as the info was past along to me. The Stickney registry and Stickney pages can be seen here: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/000index.html Several Stickney owners have been very generous and helpful to me during this whole project so I felt the need to share this information. Denis Rouleau For now I have placed a version of the register on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0208.html Let me know what you all think. Patrick From johnculp at btes.tv Sat Feb 2 07:39:15 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:39:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> Yep. I use Defender, too. It gets some things Adaware doesn't, and vice versa. John On Feb 1, 2008, at 10:06 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > I use Windows Defender (yeah I know it is Microsoft) which live scans > and > removes without me doing anything. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 2 08:08:11 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:08:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> Message-ID: <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just fine. Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. Rob On Feb 2, 2008, at 7:39 AM, John Culp wrote: > Yep. I use Defender, too. It gets some things Adaware doesn't, and > vice > versa. From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 2 09:04:24 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:04:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: Hi Denis, VERY nicely done. It's always great when a person acknowledges the help he has had from others in the hobby and is willing to "give back" to the rest of us what he has learned! Your "layout" is great and I, especially, like that you have given some idea where the engines are located (ie state, country, etc.) I'll now get back to the Stickney page and browse some more! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Feb 2, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Denis Rouleau wrote: > Hi Patrick, I've been maintaining a few engine registries myself > and it is lots of work, > sometimes rewarding and often frustrating. I believe in sharing the > info with others, > otherwise I would not bother doing it but then I have no intention > of writing books. > Last July I became the owner of a couple Stickney engines and was > surprise that > so little was known or could be found about them, so I started a > Stickney registry > and I added several other pages on Stickney stuff as the info was > past along to me. > The Stickney registry and Stickney pages can be seen here: > http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/000index.html > Several Stickney owners have been very generous and helpful to me > during this > whole project so I felt the need to share this information. > Denis Rouleau From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Sat Feb 2 09:11:05 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:11:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: Hi Patrick,I remember some years ago a magazine encouraging readers to give details to a certain engine register of their engines,assuring them that no details would ever be disclosed !! I wondered then what ever was the use of the register?I believe it's still going but never seen any information ever released . John> From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:55:39 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Register Opinion> > Hi Patrick, I've been maintaining a few engine registries myself and it is lots of work,> sometimes rewarding and often frustrating. I believe in sharing the info with others,> otherwise I would not bother doing it but then I have no intention of writing books.> Last July I became the owner of a couple Stickney engines and was surprise that> so little was known or could be found about them, so I started a Stickney registry> and I added several other pages on Stickney stuff as the info was past along to me.> The Stickney registry and Stickney pages can be seen here:> http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/000index.html > Several Stickney owners have been very generous and helpful to me during this> whole project so I felt the need to share this information. > Denis Rouleau> For now I have placed a version of the register on my site at:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0208.html> Let me know what you all think.> Patrick> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 10:06:07 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:06:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160802021006n353e4d93w9833aadb27c7c533@mail.gmail.com> On 02/02/2008, Rob Skinner wrote: > > I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just fine. > Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. > > Rob > A lot depends on where you go on the net and what kind of firewall you have in your modem. We've been running a trial on our machines to see what effect NOT having AV and Spyware software has on the system. So far, the Anti-Virus hasn't been missed at all, but the anti-spyware does seem to collect the odd bits and pieces, particularly in the Registry. We use a 2Wire 2700HGV business modem at home and the factory, and that has got a decent firewall. Before that we used Zone Alarm Pro. The problem is that too many cooks spoil the system, and we found that a couple of these programmes were fighting for system resources and completely screwed up the start-up in the morning, which could take up to 5 minutes. Once removed, we have a 40-second startup, and we kept the Registry Cleaner. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 2 11:30:38 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:30:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160802021006n353e4d93w9833aadb27c7c533@mail.gmail.com> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> <6f6025160802021006n353e4d93w9833aadb27c7c533@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6309D43C-973E-46A9-A26D-71DC01293FD3@alltel.net> On Feb 2, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 02/02/2008, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >> I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just >> fine. >> Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. >> >> Rob > > A lot depends on where you go on the net and what kind of firewall you > have in your modem. > Peter What Rob is telling you Peter, is that if you have a good 'puter you don't need a condom on it! Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 12:45:32 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:45:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <6309D43C-973E-46A9-A26D-71DC01293FD3@alltel.net> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> <6f6025160802021006n353e4d93w9833aadb27c7c533@mail.gmail.com> <6309D43C-973E-46A9-A26D-71DC01293FD3@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160802021245t7f02cedapa7a059e8876abaf8@mail.gmail.com> On 02/02/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > On Feb 2, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > On 02/02/2008, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> > >> I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just > >> fine. > >> Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. > >> > >> Rob > > > > A lot depends on where you go on the net and what kind of firewall you > > have in your modem. > > > Peter > > What Rob is telling you Peter, is that if you have a good 'puter you > don't need a condom on it! > Dave I could make a remark on computers and condoms, but there may be ladies around! :-)) Fixed your Portland Countdown yet BTW?? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 13:20:25 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:20:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Schebler Carburettors - English Patent 19280 23/09/1905 Message-ID: <6f6025160802021320v6d25824bh4982e80d70235e6f@mail.gmail.com> Got about 280 Patent pages scanned today, and a few of them were quite interesting, enough to stop work for a while! The one under my scanner right now is Patent 19280 dates 23rd September 1905 for one G.M. Schebler. I do not know if this is his first UK patent, as I haven't started at the beginning, in 1877, I started with the volume in the worst condition which was 1905-1908. I can't attach the image file right now, but I will put the page up later on so that anyone interested can have a look. It is the typical Schebler carburettor, but as it is so detailed in the Patent, I assume he is putting it under Patent protection for the first time. Does anyone know when Schebler started making carbs? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From johnculp at btes.tv Sat Feb 2 13:56:42 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:56:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160802021245t7f02cedapa7a059e8876abaf8@mail.gmail.com> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> <6f6025160802021006n353e4d93w9833aadb27c7c533@mail.gmail.com> <6309D43C-973E-46A9-A26D-71DC01293FD3@alltel.net> <6f6025160802021245t7f02cedapa7a059e8876abaf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At home I don't need any of that spyware or virus software stuff. I just keep this by my computer and it knows to behave: http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g166/SlidePicker/BiggerHammer1.jpg John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 2 15:05:21 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:05:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: Just to chime in on this subject... Registries are great, but of limited value if data is withheld. For instance, if Stickney number 2627 was a five horse and still exists, who cares? But if 2627 is a five horse and owned by Denis, then another owner of a five has a valuable resource in the event he needs to compare engine characteristics. I'm skeptical of the belief that there are gangs of rogue thieves roaming the countryside, examining engine registries in order to plan their next heist. Here's the start of a really nice engine registry. Each entry has a thumbnail picture, the owner, contact information, and a link to more information on each engine. I say "start," because I KNOW that this bloke has ten times the information seen here, but the hottie who does his web authoring is VERY difficult to motivate. Note to keeper of this registry: buy her some shiny baubles so we can see more data. Rob From alharris44 at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 15:37:29 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:37:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <47A4FEB9.2010204@gmail.com> Some weaselly, sneaky thief has done stoled the URL. :-P Al Ha#@*^ Somewhere. Rob Skinner wrote: > Just to chime in on this subject... > > Registries are great, but of limited value if data is withheld. For > instance, if Stickney number 2627 was a five horse and still exists, > who cares? But if 2627 is a five horse and owned by Denis, then > another owner of a five has a valuable resource in the event he needs > to compare engine characteristics. > > I'm skeptical of the belief that there are gangs of rogue thieves > roaming the countryside, examining engine registries in order to plan > their next heist. > > Here's the start of a really nice engine registry. Each entry has a > thumbnail picture, the owner, contact information, and a link to more > information on each engine. I say "start," because I KNOW that this > bloke has ten times the information seen here, but the hottie who does > his web authoring is VERY difficult to motivate. > > Note to keeper of this registry: buy her some shiny baubles so we can > see more data. > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 2 16:23:18 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:23:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080203002303.DEBD20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> The policy of not publishing names without permission was started by the original keeper of the register and I do not have the time or resources to change it. Nobody on the register has given permission for their names to be published on the internet so they will not be published on the internet. The Austral register has been printed a number of times over the years and many hundreds of collectors have copies so it is not being kept a secret (and as I have stated a number of times will be printed again). As well as being printed out over the years there have been a number of articles in TOMM derived from the register details (and hopefully many more to come). A lot of collectors (rightly or wrongly) are very protective of their collections and I respect that. Respecting that privacy has allowed me in to see some pretty rare & special engines over the years that are never seen out of their sheds. I personally know of people who have hunted down an engine (and harassed the owner to buy it) with no more information than the locality it is in. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 2 16:43:17 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:43:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1201999397.47a50e2590159@webmail.city-net.com> WOT???? No "get a Mac" pitch? I'm shocked... 8-)) Quoting Rob Skinner : > I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just fine. > Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 2 17:01:32 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:01:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Schebler Carburettors - English Patent 19280 23/09/1905 In-Reply-To: <6f6025160802021320v6d25824bh4982e80d70235e6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160802021320v6d25824bh4982e80d70235e6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202000492.47a5126c780a1@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Peter, Are you also doing a conversion to text the way the Google did with their patents so that your patent collection will be searchable? That probably wouldn't add much time as long as you did it automatically and didn't try to go back and cleanup the enevitable errors. See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > Got about 280 Patent pages scanned today, and a few of them were quite > interesting, enough to stop work for a while! From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 2 17:39:24 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:39:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <20080203002303.DEBD20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080203002303.DEBD20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <1202002764.47a51b4cea733@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, The approach that I'm taking with the Lorenz & Benz registry is if the info is already in the public domain, mearly moving it around in the public domain isn't an issue. Where I get info for the register from collectors while viewing their collection privately, I ask permission to include it and respect their wishes regarding my request, be it yea or nay. Here's a couple of examples... Bloke has his engine on display at Portland, name & city & state on the display card with the engine. That's public domain. Bloke advertises his engine on eBay or Harry's or other and provides details. That's also public domain. Info is published in a paper register that is available free for the asking (or for a nominal fee for copy & postage costs) that's also public domain. If a collector is paranoid about a thief in the night or a harassing collector seeking him out, his info won't be in the public domain in the first place. See ya, Arnie Quoting Patrick M Livingstone : > The policy of not publishing names without permission was started by the > original keeper of the register and I do not have the time or resources to > change it. Nobody on the register has given permission for their names to be > published on the internet so they will not be published on the internet. > The Austral register has been printed a number of times over the years and > many hundreds of collectors have copies so it is not being kept a secret > (and as I have stated a number of times will be printed again). As well as > being printed out over the years there have been a number of articles in > TOMM derived from the register details (and hopefully many more to come). > > A lot of collectors (rightly or wrongly) are very protective of their > collections and I respect that. Respecting that privacy has allowed me in to > see some pretty rare & special engines over the years that are never seen > out of their sheds. > I personally know of people who have hunted down an engine (and harassed the > owner to buy it) with no more information than the locality it is in. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 17:51:33 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:51:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: <47A00D9F.1020102@telenet.net> Message-ID: <695663.81212.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Steve No it isn't. The engine is different. Mine doesn't have that Disston cast into it. It also looks like the parts on the Helper End are different too. Thanks for the link though. Alan Bowen "Steve W." wrote: Alan, Is that one like the current 160203486702 on sleezebay? -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept Alan Bowen wrote: > I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury engine. > I bought it from a list member here. > It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end. > Thanks, for this topic too, > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 17:55:44 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:55:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <738320.82227.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Luke. I forgot Bob came over and played too. Bob is an antique boat motor collector. He is the one that told me what Mercury boat motor fuel filter to ask for to get the right one for that Mercury saw engine. Alan Bowen Luke Tonneberger wrote: Hi Alan, I remember it well. Here are a couple pictures of the fun. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck03/buck03-1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck03/buck03-2.jpgLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA =============================> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:17:35 -0800> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw> > I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury engine. > I bought it from a list member here.> It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end.> > I forget who I bought that from, but at the time I emailed him and he said that cover was in a shed somewhere, but he would have to wait until Winter to dig for it because that shed was full of bees, wasps, hornets or something????> > Well,,,,, That has been several Winters ago and I have not heard anything from him. Bummer too,,,, I think that saw was supposed to be complete.> All those emails about this saw were on my WebTv and got dumped suddenly.> > Soon as I got that saw home I took it to the next Buckley Old Engine Show as a stuck non-runner with the recoil rope hanging out of a messed up recoil unit.> > It took just a couple hours to loosen it up and get it running. What a cool sound.> Loud and cool that is. Three of the folks that were standing around watching us work on it put their hands over their ears and left fast.> Several other folks came in a hurry to see what was making that beautiful sound. 8>))> IIRC It was my good friend Bill Wright and our own Luke Tonneberger that were there with me knocking it loose and repairing the recoil.> There it sits now because I will not put a chain on it until I get that part. 8>((> > Now,,, Who did I buy it from?> If you are out there please send me a note off list.> IIRC someone else brought it to me at either Portland or Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell. If that great person reads this please email me off list and let me know who it came from.> Thanks, for this topic too, > > Alan Bowen> Williamsburg, Michigan _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 2 17:56:03 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:56:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <47A4FEB9.2010204@gmail.com> References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <47A4FEB9.2010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Al Harris wrote: > Some weaselly, sneaky thief has done stoled the URL. :-P > > Al Ha#@*^ > Somewhere. Hi Al, I wasn't sure if atis stripped the url. It does. Here it is again in regular old text: http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/registry.htm Cut, paste, click, copy, etch-a-sketch. Whatever works for you. Rob From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Feb 2 18:06:08 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:06:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech><2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv><83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> <1201999397.47a50e2590159@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000901c86609$577a49b0$0601a8c0@altech> There are two Kalifornian's who assume the whole world uses MAC !!!! well it is a separate country and there is not much outside of Kalifornia, is there ;-))) > WOT???? No "get a Mac" pitch? I'm shocked... 8-)) > > Quoting Rob Skinner : > >> I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just fine. >> Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 18:17:16 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:17:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: <009201c863b2$11f11580$dad14c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <480412.35301.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice comments, John. I also have another engine for one that is practically identical. It was given to me and came with the original manual. It looks like I am missing a part that is cast aluminum and would take a machine shop to make. Loud it is, but the sound is great. It is not really how loud it is as much as it is the tone. A truly sweet deep revving sound. Alan Bowen John Hall wrote: Don't know which model you have but the older ones merely had a sheet metal cover over the sprocket. It wouldn't take a lot to make one so you could "play". Watch the hand clutch--you'll never be able to reach it before you get kicked if the log decides to bite. If you think that one is loud, you'd better get some ear plugs before you add to your collection as Mercury's are pretty quiet. The one man saws are the worst. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw >I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury >engine. > I bought it from a list member here. > It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end. > > I forget who I bought that from, but at the time I emailed him and he said > that cover was in a shed somewhere, but he would have to wait until Winter > to dig for it because that shed was full of bees, wasps, hornets or > something???? > > Well,,,,, That has been several Winters ago and I have not heard anything > from him. Bummer too,,,, I think that saw was supposed to be complete. > All those emails about this saw were on my WebTv and got dumped suddenly. > > Soon as I got that saw home I took it to the next Buckley Old Engine Show > as a stuck non-runner with the recoil rope hanging out of a messed up > recoil unit. > > It took just a couple hours to loosen it up and get it running. What a > cool sound. > Loud and cool that is. Three of the folks that were standing around > watching us work on it put their hands over their ears and left fast. > Several other folks came in a hurry to see what was making that beautiful > sound. 8>)) > IIRC It was my good friend Bill Wright and our own Luke Tonneberger that > were there with me knocking it loose and repairing the recoil. > There it sits now because I will not put a chain on it until I get that > part. 8>(( > > Now,,, Who did I buy it from? > If you are out there please send me a note off list. > IIRC someone else brought it to me at either Portland or Lincoln Tucker's > Show & Tell. If that great person reads this please email me off list > and let me know who it came from. > Thanks, for this topic too, > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From alharris44 at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 18:57:58 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:57:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: References: <20080202123245.BJDV3831.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c865ab$ad273520$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <47A4FEB9.2010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A52DB6.6060107@gmail.com> Rob Skinner wrote: > On Feb 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Al Harris wrote: > >> Some weaselly, sneaky thief has done stoled the URL. :-P >> >> Al Ha#@*^ >> Somewhere. > > > Hi Al, > I wasn't sure if atis stripped the url. It does. > Here it is again in regular old text: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/registry.htm > > Cut, paste, click, copy, etch-a-sketch. Whatever works for you. > > Rob > All of the above. We all thank you. :-) lA sirraH From jbcast at charter.net Sat Feb 2 19:07:04 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:07:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Schebler Carburettors - English Patent 19280 23/09/1905 In-Reply-To: <6f6025160802021320v6d25824bh4982e80d70235e6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080202220704.G8OAQ.823854.root@fepweb05> > > Does anyone know when Schebler started making carbs? > > Peter > -- The Schebler model D has a 1902 patent date on it, I wouldn't have thoout it was his first, but a quick search didn't turn up any earlier patents. Try google patent, searchSchebler 1902. J.B. Castagnos From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 2 19:20:02 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:20:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <20080203002303.DEBD20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080203002303.DEBD20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <06D38A67-2B3F-45A2-8D2B-5DC58943EC49@alltel.net> Hi Patrick, Please feel free to "publish" my name and address in everything that you RE-produce--in print, on line, or in any (and ALL) way possible. Unlike the people that you "know" I have no worries about anyone who would HUNT me down and ask to buy any of my engines. Nor do I worry a lot about being "harassed." This may simply be a cultural thing--here in the USA we simply don't worry about such things because we are not afraid of the dark. However, I really doubt that it is cultural, because those from OZ whom I have met are not afraid of the dark either! Dave PS, Keep your fences up and your national heritage (including information on the same) at home! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Feb 2, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > The policy of not publishing names without permission was started > by the > original keeper of the register and I do not have the time or > resources to > change it. Nobody on the register has given permission for their > names to be > published on the internet so they will not be published on the > internet. > The Austral register has been printed a number of times over the > years and > many hundreds of collectors have copies so it is not being kept a > secret > (and as I have stated a number of times will be printed again). As > well as > being printed out over the years there have been a number of > articles in > TOMM derived from the register details (and hopefully many more to > come). > > A lot of collectors (rightly or wrongly) are very protective of their > collections and I respect that. Respecting that privacy has allowed > me in to > see some pretty rare & special engines over the years that are > never seen > out of their sheds. > I personally know of people who have hunted down an engine (and > harassed the > owner to buy it) with no more information than the locality it is in. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 2 21:05:35 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:05:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <000901c86609$577a49b0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech><2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv><83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> <1201999397.47a50e2590159@webmail.city-net.com> <000901c86609$577a49b0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <41675119-B867-4ADD-AF29-DF810BD09E3A@rustyiron.com> On Feb 2, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > There are two Kalifornian's who assume the whole world uses MAC !!!! > well it > is a separate country and there is not much outside of Kalifornia, > is there > ;-))) ...says the man who makes his living off the confusion of Windows users. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Feb 2 21:12:42 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 16:12:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] spyware OT In-Reply-To: <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> References: <002801c86548$a18863a0$0601a8c0@altech> <2036cbbe76748faa6eca2ed86265b289@btes.tv> <83FAE8D4-0928-4A28-9395-2BF8E25C2B50@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <47A54D4A.4000809@steamengine.com.au> Depends what you do with your computer - if you go to web pages and have all the scripting (e.g. Java) turned off then really nothing can touch you. If you never open anything attached to an email other than pictures (jpg, gif) then again nothing can really touch you. Most of what spyware software finds is bullshit anyway - big deal you've got some cookie on your computer or something in your registry left over from busted software verison X. Do you know what a cookie is? It is a little file with about 20 bytes of data designed to allow website X to know you've been there before. Sometimes rude website Y will look for website X's cookie and they know you've been there. Big Deal. What is a registry entry? Can it hurt you? No. It is like the win.ini file of old except that it is a central repository - it is nothing but a series of key/value pairs. Programs store data there that is needed from one run of the program to another. The worst that happens is that your registry fills up with so much shit that it fails. This used to happen regularly, but I've never heard of it happening since XP SP2. The only way spyware can hurt you is when it runs on your computer - to get there YOU must have installed it or ran something else that installed without your knowledge. Do you ever read the fine print on the "free" software you downloaded and installed? You should. Understand what you're agreeing to when you press that button. On the other hand, if you download and open things like software, word documents, power point presentations, emails with attached scripts then you better have a virus scanner or you'll be dead sooner or later- or worse, you'll becoming a diving board for malicious software to do nasty things like attack some other computer (isolating the real culprit - you get blamed) or sending spam to all the addresses in your inbox. Yes, Rob - I know you use a Mac and while the Mac is based on Unix these days so is considerably better, you're a fool if you run nothing. Even on my unix systems I run AV. It is mostly use to scan all incoming and outgoing mail long before windows gets near it. Anti Spyware software? Nope. Anti Virus? Yep. If you don't want a scanner to live on your computer, then use Trend-Micro. The scanner downloads when YOU run a scan and leaves nothing lurking to eat resources. Regards Paul Rob Skinner wrote: > I don't use anti-virus or anti-spyware software. I get along just fine. > Get rid of that crud. It just slows down your computer. > > Rob > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 2 22:58:41 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:58:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <1202002764.47a51b4cea733@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Arnie, When over 1000 entries in the register were not made by me it is very time consuming to go through it all and work out where it all came from. I do not have the time to do this at the moment. Yes if it is in the public domain it is in the public domain. I hope to be able to link the numbers to the many pictures I have on my site but again it will take time as I am not retired and full time job and other interests do require a bit of time. As John Palmer has noted, some registries never see the light of day. Others get lost due to various circumstances. The Austral register would have ended a year ago if I had not taken over and I am doing my best to keep it available. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 01:29:55 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 09:29:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Schebler Carburettors - English Patent 19280 23/09/1905 In-Reply-To: <1202000492.47a5126c780a1@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6f6025160802021320v6d25824bh4982e80d70235e6f@mail.gmail.com> <1202000492.47a5126c780a1@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160802030129r2ae44439v615f2d1ffa394306@mail.gmail.com> On 03/02/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Are you also doing a conversion to text the way the Google did with their > patents so that your patent collection will be searchable? That probably > wouldn't add much time as long as you did it automatically and didn't try to go > back and cleanup the enevitable errors. > > See ya, Arnie You will have the full Subject Matter and Names indices, and a full individual page listing with the Patent number(s) covered on each page. Take a look at this page: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Patents7/ABPatent2.htm I am just revising the Subject Matter and Names indices to put the start and finish subjects on-screen, so you'll be able to see straight-off where the person or subject will be. You can look up then by Person, which gives you the Patent(s) that he or she has against his/her name, by Subject Matter which also gives Patent No's or if you know the Patent Number already, then you just scroll through the big list for the page with that Patent on it. I can't make it much simpler without a LOT more work! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 02:32:42 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:32:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Schebler Carburettors - English Patent 19280 23/09/1905 In-Reply-To: <1202000492.47a5126c780a1@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6f6025160802021320v6d25824bh4982e80d70235e6f@mail.gmail.com> <1202000492.47a5126c780a1@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160802030232q242061f4o711339bf10448d4@mail.gmail.com> On 03/02/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Are you also doing a conversion to text the way the Google did with their > patents so that your patent collection will be searchable? That probably > wouldn't add much time as long as you did it automatically and didn't try to go > back and cleanup the enevitable errors. > > See ya, Arnie Forgot to mention that the Names and Subject-Matter indices are both fully working, all the page scans have been in place since 2005, I have just finished the menu revisions to show start and finish subject for each page. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 3 06:50:35 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 09:50:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <5A7DACCE-2562-45FD-B49A-491520E537C0@alltel.net> > The Austral register would have ended > a year ago if I had not taken over and I am doing my best to keep it > available. > Patrick Those of us who own Australs and have a copy of the register do appreciate your efforts in keeping it going and up to date! Dave From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Feb 3 07:54:31 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 09:54:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need pick-up/transportation from Apple Valley, CA. In-Reply-To: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Group: If we can figure out how to pick-up and transport it from Apple Valley, California (East of L.A.) to Port St. Joe, Florida (in the Florida Panhandle), Frank will purchase a Guiberson 9-cylinder radial Diesel engine for me to restore. This engine is on a stand so it only needs to be boomed down and covered for the trip. If someone's on their way East from the Left Coast with a truck, they could make some change doing the move for us. Alternatively (and not the best idea because of possible damage), if someone can pick the engine up and get it to a trucking company to be hauled here, that would work, too. I think a hydraulic lift gate truck would be necessary because I have no way to unload it. It's almost a straight shot. Get on I-10 and go East to the U.S. 231 exit in Florida then go South to Panama City and then East on U.S. 98 to Port St. Joe. Please let me know. Thanks! Take care - Elden From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Feb 3 11:06:12 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:06:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <1202002764.47a51b4cea733@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20080203002303.DEBD20062.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <1202002764.47a51b4cea733@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: HI Arnie, I guess that thief in the night has done gone and stole my Lorenz right off your registry! Sad Steve> > If a collector is paranoid about a thief in the night or a harassing collector> seeking him out, his info won't be in the public domain in the first place.> > See ya, Arnie> > _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Feb 4 00:02:11 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:02:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion References: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Patrick, for those of us that own an Austral and the rest that wish they did, it looks like you are doing a great job. I have a copy of the last print out from Peter Wilcock and look forward to seeing where you are going with it now. As long as peoples privacy wishes are maintained the more in the pubic domain the better. It was a shame to see what happened to the Hornsby register a few years back when it was taken off the Steam Engine of Australia website - due to the wishes of the new custodian of that info not Paul's. Fortunately I snuck a copy (for personal research purposes naturally) from the Google cache just after it was taken off - phew? Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: Cc: "'Stationary Engine ATIS List'" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Register Opinion > Hi Arnie, > When over 1000 entries in the register were not made by me it is > very time consuming to go through it all and work out where it all came > from. I do not have the time to do this at the moment. Yes if it is in the > public domain it is in the public domain. I hope to be able to link the > numbers to the many pictures I have on my site but again it will take time > as I am not retired and full time job and other interests do require a bit > of time. > As John Palmer has noted, some registries never see the light of day. > Others > get lost due to various circumstances. The Austral register would have > ended > a year ago if I had not taken over and I am doing my best to keep it > available. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 01:51:08 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:51:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> References: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <6f6025160802040151u35eeae6aqc366299736b47c10@mail.gmail.com> On 04/02/2008, Michael Young wrote: > Patrick, for those of us that own an Austral and the rest that wish they > did, it looks like you are doing a great job. I have a copy of the last > print out from Peter Wilcock and look forward to seeing where you are going > with it now. As long as peoples privacy wishes are maintained the more in > the pubic domain the better. It was a shame to see what happened to the > Hornsby register a few years back when it was taken off the Steam Engine of > Australia website - due to the wishes of the new custodian of that info not > Paul's. Fortunately I snuck a copy (for personal research purposes > naturally) from the Google cache just after it was taken off - phew? > > Michael Young The Hornsby register information is not something that I knew about, but most engine information can be obtained from Ray Hooley, who holds the works records for Ruston & Hornsby, I assume that he has the Richard Hornsby stuff as well. Ray is getting on in years now, he must be in his 70's, but he still keeps up a good service for engine owners. After all the hassles of the house move last year, he is taking a well-earned break. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Feb 4 08:08:55 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:08:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> References: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <2642EDC3-E588-443D-A51C-F26BC62C677C@rustyiron.com> On Feb 4, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Michael Young wrote: > Patrick, for those of us that own an Austral and the rest that wish > they > did, it looks like you are doing a great job. I have a copy of the > last > print out from Peter Wilcock and look forward to seeing where you > are going > with it now. As long as peoples privacy wishes are maintained the > more in > the pubic domain the better. It was a shame to see what happened to > the > Hornsby register a few years back when it was taken off the Steam > Engine of > Australia website - due to the wishes of the new custodian of that > info not > Paul's. Fortunately I snuck a copy (for personal research purposes > naturally) from the Google cache just after it was taken off - phew? > > Michael Young > 5 Beech Crescent > Orange NSW 2800 > AUSTRALIA > http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines Hi Michael, Would you mind shooting a copy of that list this way? I promise I won't use it to telephone you in the middle of the night and talk dirty. Honest. I've been checking out your pictures. That Allan is sweet. Rob From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Feb 4 19:09:50 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:09:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw References: <480412.35301.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b501c867a4$933e99f0$88d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Try this site: www.acresinternet.com Look up Disston saws and click on model KB6AY--I believe this is similar to what you have--the name plate should be on top of the engine on your saw. There are a couple pictures of the saw so you might be able to get an idea of how the door was made. If you look carefully you can see the sliding bolt type latch that kept it closed. >From your photo I see you figured out the magneto must have been the first piece they bolted on at the factory! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw > Nice comments, John. > I also have another engine for one that is practically identical. > It was given to me and came with the original manual. > It looks like I am missing a part that is cast aluminum and would take a > machine shop to make. > Loud it is, but the sound is great. It is not really how loud it is as > much as it is the tone. A truly sweet deep revving sound. > Alan Bowen > > John Hall wrote: Don't know which model you have > but the older ones merely had a sheet metal > cover over the sprocket. It wouldn't take a lot to make one so you could > "play". Watch the hand clutch--you'll never be able to reach it before you > get kicked if the log decides to bite. > > If you think that one is loud, you'd better get some ear plugs before you > add to your collection as Mercury's are pretty quiet. The one man saws are > the worst. > > John Hall > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Bowen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw > > >>I have a nice old Henry Disston two man chainsaw with a 2 cylinder Mercury >>engine. >> I bought it from a list member here. >> It is missing a chain cover that protects the guy on the helper end. >> >> I forget who I bought that from, but at the time I emailed him and he >> said >> that cover was in a shed somewhere, but he would have to wait until >> Winter >> to dig for it because that shed was full of bees, wasps, hornets or >> something???? >> >> Well,,,,, That has been several Winters ago and I have not heard >> anything >> from him. Bummer too,,,, I think that saw was supposed to be complete. >> All those emails about this saw were on my WebTv and got dumped suddenly. >> >> Soon as I got that saw home I took it to the next Buckley Old Engine Show >> as a stuck non-runner with the recoil rope hanging out of a messed up >> recoil unit. >> >> It took just a couple hours to loosen it up and get it running. What a >> cool sound. >> Loud and cool that is. Three of the folks that were standing around >> watching us work on it put their hands over their ears and left fast. >> Several other folks came in a hurry to see what was making that beautiful >> sound. 8>)) >> IIRC It was my good friend Bill Wright and our own Luke Tonneberger that >> were there with me knocking it loose and repairing the recoil. >> There it sits now because I will not put a chain on it until I get that >> part. 8>(( >> >> Now,,, Who did I buy it from? >> If you are out there please send me a note off list. >> IIRC someone else brought it to me at either Portland or Lincoln >> Tucker's >> Show & Tell. If that great person reads this please email me off list >> and let me know who it came from. >> Thanks, for this topic too, >> >> Alan Bowen >> Williamsburg, Michigan >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Feb 4 23:53:34 2008 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:53:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion References: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> <6f6025160802040151u35eeae6aqc366299736b47c10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701c867cc$36217210$0301a8c0@Young1203> The local register is an assemblage of info for the Aussie engines only. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Register Opinion > On 04/02/2008, Michael Young wrote: >> Patrick, for those of us that own an Austral and the rest that wish they >> did, it looks like you are doing a great job. I have a copy of the last >> print out from Peter Wilcock and look forward to seeing where you are >> going >> with it now. As long as peoples privacy wishes are maintained the more >> in >> the pubic domain the better. It was a shame to see what happened to the >> Hornsby register a few years back when it was taken off the Steam Engine >> of >> Australia website - due to the wishes of the new custodian of that info >> not >> Paul's. Fortunately I snuck a copy (for personal research purposes >> naturally) from the Google cache just after it was taken off - phew? >> >> Michael Young > > The Hornsby register information is not something that I knew about, > but most engine information can be obtained from Ray Hooley, who holds > the works records for Ruston & Hornsby, I assume that he has the > Richard Hornsby stuff as well. > > Ray is getting on in years now, he must be in his 70's, but he still > keeps up a good service for engine owners. After all the hassles of > the house move last year, he is taking a well-earned break. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 02:50:26 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:50:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Register Opinion In-Reply-To: <000701c867cc$36217210$0301a8c0@Young1203> References: <20080203065827.FPIW2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002b01c86704$3fd3bbb0$0301a8c0@Young1203> <6f6025160802040151u35eeae6aqc366299736b47c10@mail.gmail.com> <000701c867cc$36217210$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <6f6025160802050250y645a6aebx392367a398a56d80@mail.gmail.com> On 05/02/2008, Michael Young wrote: > The local register is an assemblage of info for the Aussie engines only. > > OK, thanks for that, Mike, does Ray Hooley have your contact details? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 5 07:29:22 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:29:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show Message-ID: <98619EB8-A53D-488F-AC79-A582E20C30DB@alltel.net> Hi All, Who will be at the Zolfo, FL Show (Feb. 27-March 2nd?) I plan to arrive at the park on Tuesday the 26th. I'm in Ex #6 (my usual spot right near the registration building) and Glenn Karch will be showing with me. How about two picture sessions? One on Friday and a second on Saturday--both at high noon. (With two sessions we can be sure to get everyone in.) Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 5 08:21:29 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:21:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw In-Reply-To: <00b501c867a4$933e99f0$88d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <971935.36731.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the link, John. Wrong model though,,, Kinda,,,, My chain saw is a KB7AY 11HP. The other power head that was given to me is the same model. I do see the painted up KB7AY shown on that page is just like mine right down to the missing cover. ????? A flat cover will not clear the bolt through the pulley that the chain goes around. However the diagram showing a "KB7AY" has a completely different helper end. That one would have an oil pump on the engine for bar oil. Yes, My helper end does look more like the one used on the KB6AY. I have been thinking about building a go-cart for my extra engine. An 11HP, 2 cycle engine revving to 4000 RPM should be a fun engine on a go-cart. 8>)) I guess it was a combination of the built in clutch and the cool sound that gave me the go-cart idea. Next time I have one of them running I will measure the idle RPM. I STILL would love to know who I bought this saw from. I am thinking it came from either Wisconsin or Iowa. !!!!!!!!!!! I just called David Salyer. He is the man I brought with me that was such great help at Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell Corn Shelling Display. Seeing Luke's 2003 Buckley pictures showing my saw I figured I MUST have picked this saw up on May 2, 2003 at the show & tell. Lucky me,,,, David remembers me getting it then. David grew up holding the helper end of a saw just like it. All I can remember picking up down there is a Foley Saw Filer that Dave Rotigel picked up for me in PA. Anyway,,,,, Since I got it down there I now am sure it was Nels Jonsered (SP) That picked it up and brought it to me. It seems like Nels also had a man with him when he grabbed it. Does anyone have contact info for Nels? GOP4ever@??????? Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan John Hall wrote: Try this site: www.acresinternet.com Look up Disston saws and click on model KB6AY--I believe this is similar to what you have--the name plate should be on top of the engine on your saw. There are a couple pictures of the saw so you might be able to get an idea of how the door was made. If you look carefully you can see the sliding bolt type latch that kept it closed. >From your photo I see you figured out the magneto must have been the first piece they bolted on at the factory! John Hall --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Feb 5 13:27:59 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:27:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? In-Reply-To: <00ac01c86564$9d3f5e90$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> References: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> <7.0.1.0.1.20080202164848.02197410@ncable.com.au> <00ac01c86564$9d3f5e90$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080206082627.021c3458@ncable.com.au> Hi Helen, sorry for the delayed reply. Just been a little caught up with work. My Webshots is the paid version and I guess the latest up grade from about 6 months ago?? I don't know if that helps at all. I can't find anything to actually tell me what vesion it is. regards Russell At 05:26 PM 2/02/2008, you wrote: >Which version are you running? > >It was working fine on Thursday but Friday I can't even log on to >the main site. > >Helen > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Russell Gilbert > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT WebShots? > > > Helen mine seems to be working fine > regards Russell > > > At 03:19 PM 2/02/2008, you wrote: > >Anyone on the List that has a WebShots Photo Account, is the > >WebShots Site down? > > > >Helen > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Feb 5 14:04:51 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:04:51 EST Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show Message-ID: In a message dated 2/5/2008 10:26:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: Who will be at the Zolfo, FL Show Dave, Sorry to say Millie and I will not be able to attend this year. Too much in life going on at the moment. We sure enjoyed it last year. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 5 14:45:34 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:45:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom, Damn, Tell Millie that I'm sure going to miss her! Dave PS, You too! On Feb 5, 2008, at 5:04 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/5/2008 10:26:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > Who will be at the Zolfo, FL Show > > Dave, > Sorry to say Millie and I will not be able to attend this year. > Too much in > life going on at the moment. We sure enjoyed it last year. > > > Tom Schmutz From ottawa at pa.net Tue Feb 5 16:59:40 2008 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:59:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT WebShots? References: <007001c86552$de62f510$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP><7.0.1.0.1.20080202164848.02197410@ncable.com.au><00ac01c86564$9d3f5e90$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> <7.0.1.0.1.20080206082627.021c3458@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <006001c8685b$8e3bb750$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Webshots finally got their sites working about 6:00PM last night(Monday). According their blog they had messed up some IP address(es). They had a lot of angry subscribers. The big problem was that we could not get into any site even to complain about the problem. My ISP spent 4 hours on the phone with me yesterday trying to resolve the problem. They finally decided it was not my computer nor their system and that it had to be Webshots which it was. I had added over 900 photos to Webshots last Friday and Saturday and I thought they had locked just me out after many of you said that you had no problems. I was using Epson but it is closing down as of April 15. You can usual check the version of an application by clicking on "Help" and then clicking on "About". I am using 2.5.0.5105 but am going to update shortly to 3.0.0.7231. Thanks for getting back to me. Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers 672 Robinson Road Blain, PA 17006 The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Gilbert To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT WebShots? Hi Helen, sorry for the delayed reply. Just been a little caught up with work. My Webshots is the paid version and I guess the latest up grade from about 6 months ago?? I don't know if that helps at all. I can't find anything to actually tell me what vesion it is. regards Russell At 05:26 PM 2/02/2008, you wrote: >Which version are you running? > >It was working fine on Thursday but Friday I can't even log on to >the main site. > >Helen > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Russell Gilbert > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT WebShots? > > > Helen mine seems to be working fine > regards Russell > > > At 03:19 PM 2/02/2008, you wrote: > >Anyone on the List that has a WebShots Photo Account, is the > >WebShots Site down? > > > >Helen > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > _______________________________________________ From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Feb 5 19:01:28 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:01:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw References: <971935.36731.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c8686c$9266dab0$89d84c0c@D48VHZ61> We've got a 6 and a 12hp 7. Our 7 oils from the gearbox end, although we have a helper handle with an oiler on the other end--It was all we could find. Those saws were notorious for getting the helper ends broken. Keep an eye out on Ebay as parts do show up there from time to time. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Unfinished projects -- Henry Disston Two Man Chainsaw > Thanks for the link, John. > Wrong model though,,, Kinda,,,, > My chain saw is a KB7AY 11HP. > The other power head that was given to me is the same model. > I do see the painted up KB7AY shown on that page is just like mine right > down to the missing cover. ????? > A flat cover will not clear the bolt through the pulley that the chain > goes around. > > However the diagram showing a "KB7AY" has a completely different helper > end. That one would have an oil pump on the engine for bar oil. > > Yes, My helper end does look more like the one used on the KB6AY. > > I have been thinking about building a go-cart for my extra engine. > An 11HP, 2 cycle engine revving to 4000 RPM should be a fun engine on a > go-cart. 8>)) > I guess it was a combination of the built in clutch and the cool sound > that gave me the go-cart idea. > Next time I have one of them running I will measure the idle RPM. > > I STILL would love to know who I bought this saw from. > I am thinking it came from either Wisconsin or Iowa. > !!!!!!!!!!! > I just called David Salyer. > He is the man I brought with me that was such great help at Lincoln > Tucker's Show & Tell Corn Shelling Display. > > Seeing Luke's 2003 Buckley pictures showing my saw I figured I MUST have > picked this saw up on May 2, 2003 at the show & tell. > Lucky me,,,, David remembers me getting it then. David grew up holding > the helper end of a saw just like it. > All I can remember picking up down there is a Foley Saw Filer that Dave > Rotigel picked up for me in PA. > > Anyway,,,,, Since I got it down there I now am sure it was Nels Jonsered > (SP) That picked it up and brought it to me. It seems like Nels also had a > man with him when he grabbed it. > > Does anyone have contact info for Nels? GOP4ever@??????? > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 5 19:36:37 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:36:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag color question.. In-Reply-To: <003b01c8686c$9266dab0$89d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <00a601c86871$7c9a2890$0100a8c0@l2800> Alas, I feel Dave is bored so am gonna give him something to talk about besides Super Tuesday.......... If a person wanted to go to the local auto parts joint and buy paint for the more common Maytag twin and single, those which were the medium dark green, is there a DuPont or other colour number one could have them mix up that would match? I know the later twins were black, black crinkle, etc. but what about the most common green. Last time I bought, I bought through GEM from a supplier. I've not touched them in YEARS and it's time - to totally strip 'em again, but would like to use automotive paint that's available locally for $500/quart. Bill From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 6 17:45:08 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:45:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor Message-ID: <01ab01c8692b$129209d0$210110ac@FAMILY> Folks I am looking for a 3/4 HP 3 Phase motor for my lathe, it needs to have a 56 frame. Does anyone have one they want to get rid of? Thanks, Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 6 17:58:44 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:58:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag color question.. In-Reply-To: <00a601c86871$7c9a2890$0100a8c0@l2800> References: <00a601c86871$7c9a2890$0100a8c0@l2800> Message-ID: On Feb 5, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: > Alas, I feel Dave is bored so am gonna give him something to talk > about > besides Super Tuesday.......... > If a person wanted to go to the local auto parts joint and buy > paint for the > more common Maytag twin and single Hi Bill, PUCE is a nice colo(u)r. Dave From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Wed Feb 6 18:15:03 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:15:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag color question.. References: <00a601c86871$7c9a2890$0100a8c0@l2800> Message-ID: <014801c8692f$409d5010$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> > > Hi Bill, PU-CE is a nice colo(u)r. > Dave You never could spell worth a shit. Skip > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 > 9:13 AM > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Wed Feb 6 18:15:41 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:15:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor In-Reply-To: <01ab01c8692b$129209d0$210110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <015201c8692f$59d30480$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Hey Paul I'll look at mine on my Logan 10"; does that sound like it might fit? I'd prefer a single phase; was not on my priority list to swap it out but if I have a market for the 3ph motor........ Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Folks I am looking for a 3/4 HP 3 Phase motor for my lathe, it needs to have a 56 frame. Does anyone have one they want to get rid of? Thanks, Paul No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 9:13 AM From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 6 19:13:35 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:13:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor References: <015201c8692f$59d30480$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <01dd01c86937$6de374c0$210110ac@FAMILY> Lew I probably have a single phase 3/4 or 1 HP I could swap you for it, I will have to check out my motor stock. If the motor is a 3/4 HP on your Logan please send me a picture of it if you can as I need to see where the wiring box is located on the motor if it has one, need to know the shaft size, and frame configuration. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Best" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor > Hey Paul > > I'll look at mine on my Logan 10"; does that sound like it might fit? > I'd prefer a single phase; was not on my priority list to swap it out > but if I have a market for the 3ph motor........ > > Lew Best near Waco, TX > > -----Original Message----- > > Folks I am looking for a 3/4 HP 3 Phase motor for my lathe, it needs to > have a 56 frame. Does anyone have one they want to get rid of? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Thu Feb 7 11:18:53 2008 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:18:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a 1 hp motor 56C frame 3500 RPM> > 1. Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor (Paul Maples)> > Message: 1> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:45:08 -0600> From: "Paul Maples" > Subject: [SEL] Need 3/4 HP 3-Phase Motor> To: > Message-ID: <01ab01c8692b$129209d0$210110ac at FAMILY>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Folks I am looking for a 3/4 HP 3 Phase motor for my lathe, it needs to have a 56 frame. Does anyone have one they want to get rid of?> > Thanks,> > Paul _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.?You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 7 11:44:02 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:44:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel 12 H.P. - more help please. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080207214125.00b88ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, As some of you know, I have a 12 H.P. Witte diesel (Model CD) which I'm going to start on soon. This will be my first diesel engine so I'm on a steep learning curve. Today I received the parts that I'd ordered from David Johnson and must say that I'm very impressed - good quick service and everything as described. Due to other pressures I've not done anything to the engine (or any engine for that matter) for 2 months but had sent the injector pump and injector into a diesel shop to have them checked out. Today I received the bad news that the nozzle (and needle) is toast and have not heard about the pump yet. I had previously asked David Johnson if he had parts for the injection system but he does not. An internet search for "American Bosch" turned up AMBAC (formerly American Bosch) but they have one of the poorest websites I've seen in a long time without even an eMail contact address - just a few phone numbers in Elgin, South Carolina. Even some pages "Still under Construction" - very bad for a company website! Even their "Latest news" page was last updated in 2005. So now it's over to all the Gurus on the lists again: a) Can anyone in the States try to phone them for me and find out if any parts are available and if they have an eMail address.(Part Numbers follow). They list this telephone number. Toll Free Phone . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (800)628-6894 Part Numbers: American Bosch. The nozzle Holder is AKB 50 S 1910 A. ( I do not need this part - just giving it for reference) The nozzle (and needle) has the letters - 449 USA ADN-4S-3 (This is the part I need). b) If these parts are no longer available what ideas can you guys give me to get the engine going again - as mentioned, this is my first diesel so I'm stupid. Can nozzles be "fixed" or are their nozzles from other manufacturers that could be substituted or would I need to replace the whole system (sounds costly - especially on my limited budget). Thanks in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From nick at holden1.net Thu Feb 7 12:09:42 2008 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:09:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel 12 H.P. - more help please. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080207214125.00b88ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <47AB6585.000001.04484@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Jerry Try your local diesel repair shop as American Bosch pumps etc are available hear in the UK if you find a good one I have used http://www.dieselinjectors co.uk/ these people before and they are good Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Jerry Evans Date: 07/02/2008 19:47:49 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel 12 H.P. - more help please. Hi Guys, As some of you know, I have a 12 H.P. Witte diesel (Model CD) which I'm going to start on soon. This will be my first diesel engine so I'm on a steep learning curve. Today I received the parts that I'd ordered from David Johnson and must say that I'm very impressed - good quick service and everything as described. Due to other pressures I've not done anything to the engine (or any engine for that matter) for 2 months but had sent the injector pump and injector into a diesel shop to have them checked out. Today I received the bad news that the nozzle (and needle) is toast and have not heard about the pump yet. I had previously asked David Johnson if he had parts for the injection system but he does not. An internet search for "American Bosch" turned up AMBAC (formerly American Bosch) but they have one of the poorest websites I've seen in a long time without even an eMail contact address - just a few phone numbers in Elgin, South Carolina. Even some pages "Still under Construction" - very bad for a company website! Even their "Latest news" page was last updated in 2005. So now it's over to all the Gurus on the lists again: a) Can anyone in the States try to phone them for me and find out if any parts are available and if they have an eMail address.(Part Numbers follow). They list this telephone number. Toll Free Phone . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . (800)628-6894 Part Numbers: American Bosch. The nozzle Holder is AKB 50 S 1910 A. ( I do not need this part - just giving it for reference) The nozzle (and needle) has the letters - 449 USA ADN-4S-3 (This is the part I need). b) If these parts are no longer available what ideas can you guys give me to get the engine going again - as mentioned, this is my first diesel so I'm stupid. Can nozzles be "fixed" or are their nozzles from other manufacturers that could be substituted or would I need to replace the whole system (sounds costly - especially on my limited budget). Thanks in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 07/02/2008 11:17 . From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu Feb 7 15:28:12 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:28:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell References: <005d01c85a9e$276fcc70$c901a8c0@JOHNS><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905AD7C49@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><001701c85c46$e43b8070$c901a8c0@JOHNS><00fc01c85c53$5bce3220$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><004401c85c5a$dfb9ffe0$c901a8c0@JOHNS><4794F9A4.4020208@imc-group.com><1117.12.223.26.26.1201026408.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B3FABE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003d01c85d43$d620e090$726f4b47@mikecomp><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B402AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><002201c85d6d$dbd5f5f0$726f4b47@mikecomp> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905B68312@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <00b901c869e1$1cef44e0$ec30eedc@fred> On a visit to a small Machinery Museum we sighted an open crank 3HP.Vertical Blackstone engine,on speaking to the guide who happened to be the club vice president we were quickly told the eng. had been in the collection for 32 years and was never for sale, on our suggestion that he might donate the eng. to us and we would make a LARGE donation ($00000) to the Museum, it was put to a vote by the club and our offer was accepted,we now own the little Blackstone. I had checked the Museum website before our visit and found out they had applied for a government grant which had been approved, a two for one agreement on donations they recieved meant they received triple our offer. Conclusion. Make an offer that can`t be refused. David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:38 AM Subject: [SEL] Didn't want to sell > Years ago there were a couple of tractor collectors that I knew. The > one collector had some tractors that today would be very expensive ones > to buy and were still pretty valuable when this story took place. > > The second collector asked the first one if he'd sell him a couple of > the tractors. > > The first collector didn't really want to sell so he said, "Sure, I'll > sell them for $xx,xxxx!" which was a lot more than he thought anyone > would pay. > > To his amazement, the second collector whipped out his checkbook and > bought them! > > I was hoping that $20k was outrageous enough that even with the Royster > oil fortune, you wouldn't take me up on my offer ;-) > > So here's a question for the group to answer: > > Have you ever offered something you didn't want to sell for a very high > price and had the buyer accept your price? > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Royster > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:13 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage > > It's like that old joke, now that we know it's for sale, we are just > haggling about the price!!!! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:35 PM > Subject: [SEL] Aermotor was My Homepage > > >> Sure Mike! >> >> Give me $20k for it and I'll deliver it to Portland IN for you ;-) > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: > 23/01/2008 5:47 PM > > From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 7 22:34:44 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur & Deana Southwell) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 01:34:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need information on an engine Message-ID: <003901c86a1c$b2088330$6601a8c0@Arthur> Hello list, Does anyone have printed instructions and picture(s) on the correct way to assemble the throttle connecting shaft when reinstalling the cylinder head on an IHC LLB 3-5 HP engine? If so, would you please scan the info and email it to: asouth42 at embarqmail.com. I will appreciate it very much. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc217/mr_nocatee/ From avanti_64 at juno.com Fri Feb 8 05:54:21 2008 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:54:21 GMT Subject: [SEL] Need information on an engine Message-ID: <20080208.085421.469.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Arthur, the butterfly has to be in the open position when you assemble it. When it starts the gov weights will close it down to the idle position or to what ever position the speed control lever is set at. Joe _____________________________________________________________ Does your back hurt? Click for great deals on ergonomic chairs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iie5itcsX9rq4ePlC5PAazGKG0ZWdEVSHlZJzsi2YRf6cYBS1/ From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Feb 8 06:50:02 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:50:02 EST Subject: [SEL] Need information on an engine Message-ID: In a message dated 2/7/2008 10:36:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, asouth42 at embarqmail.com writes: Does anyone have printed instructions and picture(s) on the correct way to assemble the throttle connecting shaft when reinstalling the cylinder head on an IHC LLB 3-5 HP engine? Arthur, In case you don't have a manual for your engine, go to the following web site. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/techindex.html_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/techindex.html) Francis **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 8 02:39:18 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:39:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous engine photos wanted Message-ID: <001301c86abd$47b5f750$0200a8c0@altech> Hi guys Does anyone own or have, good clear photos of an early 2hp IHC Famous vertical engine they can email me, or show me an internet link to please. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 8 02:35:52 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:35:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC vertical famous engine differences help Message-ID: <001201c86abd$473c5a80$0200a8c0@altech> Hi all Can someone tell me the difference between these engines: 2 HP. NONPAREIL VERTICAL TANK COOLED serial numbers starting with "KG" 2 HP. FAMOUS VERTICAL TANK COOLED serial numbers starting with "KA" 2 HP. FAMOUS VERTICAL TANK COOLED serial numbers starting with "K" My mate has an early one and I am waiting for the serial number, while looking through my IHC data book I came across these. Regards Peter, Oz From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 8 18:29:34 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:29:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC vertical famous engine differences help In-Reply-To: <001201c86abd$473c5a80$0200a8c0@altech> References: <001201c86abd$473c5a80$0200a8c0@altech> Message-ID: On Feb 8, 2008, at 5:35 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > Can someone tell me the difference between these engines: > > Peter, Oz Hi Peter, Yes! Dave From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Fri Feb 8 20:14:53 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:14:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC vertical famous engine differences help References: <001201c86abd$473c5a80$0200a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <006f01c86ad2$52e3db00$6401a8c0@PaulNew> Well Dave is consistent. Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC vertical famous engine differences help > On Feb 8, 2008, at 5:35 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: >> Hi all >> Can someone tell me the difference between these engines: >> >> Peter, Oz > > Hi Peter, Yes! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sat Feb 9 02:04:39 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:04:39 -0000 Subject: [SEL] IHC vertical famous engine differences help References: <001201c86abd$473c5a80$0200a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <002101c86b03$2efb1560$fb986e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Peter, The Non Pariel engines have round hand holes on the front and rear, also as far as I can see the mixers are also a differant style to those used on the other verticals , also the fuel pump on my Non Pariel and my mates one appear to be differant from other verticals that I have seen. Hope this helps a bit, Craig in Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC vertical famous engine differences help > Hi all > > Can someone tell me the difference between these engines: > > 2 HP. NONPAREIL VERTICAL TANK COOLED serial numbers starting with "KG" > 2 HP. FAMOUS VERTICAL TANK COOLED serial numbers starting with "KA" > 2 HP. FAMOUS VERTICAL TANK COOLED serial numbers starting with "K" > > My mate has an early one and I am waiting for the serial number, while > looking through my IHC data book I came across these. > > Regards > Peter, Oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1266 - Release Date: > 08/02/2008 10:06 > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sat Feb 9 05:17:13 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:17:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous engine photos wanted References: <001301c86abd$47b5f750$0200a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <002301c86b1e$16476df0$5bea4c0c@D48VHZ61> I am pleased with what I have bought from; Don Oberholtzer 603 S. Main Street Columbiana, OH 44408 (330)482-4097 agee1 at aol.com http://hometown.aol.com/agee1/ He supplied the fuel pump and mixer for my 1905 vertical. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:39 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous engine photos wanted > Hi guys > > Does anyone own or have, good clear photos of an early 2hp IHC Famous > vertical engine they can email me, or show me an internet link to please. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Feb 10 02:00:53 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:00:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] 2hp vertical famous info wanted Message-ID: <001f01c86bcb$d2cc8110$0200a8c0@altech> Hi all I have contacted my mate and his IHC Famous is not as early as I thought it was, it is serial # KA34157 which makes it 1915 2hp tank cooled model. Now, I am after good clear photos of the 2hp water pump and the concentric that drives the water pump, if someone can help it would really be appreciated. Thanks to those who replied to my previous email. Peter, Oz From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Feb 10 12:26:24 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:26:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel 12 H.P. -Thank you Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080210222326.00b991f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 11:49 PM 07/02/2008, you wrote: >On 07/02/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > I'll check through the CAV app's books tonight and see if that one > > comes up anywhere. > > > >BDN 4S-2 Is a good start, that's used on a Blackstone JP, JPH, NP, >NPH, Tangye VCR, > >BDN 4S-1 Is a Perkins P6TA, Coventry Victor AD1 and AD2, WD1 and WD2, >Russell Newbery engines, Standard Vanguard diesel (Also the Fergie >tractor diesel) > >BDN 4S-6299 is used in an IHC BD144 37hp diesel > >BDN 4S-6157 is used on a Perkins 4-99 > >BDN 4S-3 is a British (B) Pintle Type (DN) 4 degree spray angle S is >the nozzle size code, the last digit gives the engine maker's code. > >A good start would be to chose a nozle from another engine that has a >similar output from one cylinder, that would match the fuelling up. >I'd suggest the BDN 4S-2 would be the nearest. > >The old nozzle can be cleaned and the nozzle seat and needle reground, >you just have to find someone with the right equipment to do it and >test it afterwards! > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Hi Guys, Thanks for all the help with the diesel injector. Peter (Forbes) for the above info - it really helped a lot and I know quite a bit more about diesel now than I did last week - Last week I knew nothing :-) Joe Kelley - thanks for calling AMBAC for me. AMBAC gave Joe a new part number which had superceded the old one. The new part numbers will be a great help. The part numbers Joe managed to get were: Delphi (formerly Lucas-CAV) part number for the ADN 4S 2 is 5642010 The Bosch part number is 0434200002. I'm pretty confident that I'll be able to source the nozzle locally now with this information. Once again, I'm amazed at the knowledge base on these lists and the great guys who are prepared to share. Pre Internet it would have taken months (or many expensive overseas telephone calls) to get the information that you guys provided within 24 hours. Long Live the SEL and Oldengine Lists ! Thanks again and also to others who responded. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 10 18:49:17 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur & Deana Southwell) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:49:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need information on an engine References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080208085310.00b81630@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <003901c86c58$b34e8ad0$6601a8c0@Arthur> Jerry, Francis, Joe, and any I may have missed; Thank you for your replies. You were a big help. Son & I are wanting (trying) to get his LB 3-5 re-rung in time for the Pioneer Park Days show in Zolfo Springs Florida, starting Feb. 26th. Have a good week. C'ya, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc217/mr_nocatee/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Evans To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:59 AM Subject: Re: Need information on an engine At 08:34 AM 08/02/2008, you wrote: >Hello list, >Does anyone have printed instructions and picture(s) on the correct way to >assemble the throttle connecting shaft when reinstalling the cylinder head >on an IHC LLB 3-5 HP engine? If so, would you please scan the info and >email it to: asouth42 at embarqmail.com. >I will appreciate it very much. >Arthur Hi Arthur, Is the LLB different to the LB? I have a very clear manual for the LB on my download page (just over 5 Mbytes) I hope it is of help. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 8:12 PM From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 10 18:52:35 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur & Deana Southwell) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:52:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show References: <98619EB8-A53D-488F-AC79-A582E20C30DB@alltel.net> Message-ID: <005601c86c59$287785f0$6601a8c0@Arthur> Hello Dave, I'll be there. You and Glenn have a safe trip down. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc217/mr_nocatee/ ----- Original Message ----- From: David Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show Hi All, Who will be at the Zolfo, FL Show (Feb. 27-March 2nd?) I plan to arrive at the park on Tuesday the 26th. I'm in Ex #6 (my usual spot right near the registration building) and Glenn Karch will be showing with me. How about two picture sessions? One on Friday and a second on Saturday--both at high noon. (With two sessions we can be sure to get everyone in.) Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 10 20:45:58 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:45:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show In-Reply-To: <005601c86c59$287785f0$6601a8c0@Arthur> References: <98619EB8-A53D-488F-AC79-A582E20C30DB@alltel.net> <005601c86c59$287785f0$6601a8c0@Arthur> Message-ID: Thanks Arthur, looking forward to seeing you at Zolfo! Dave On Feb 10, 2008, at 9:52 PM, Arthur & Deana Southwell wrote: > Hello Dave, I'll be there. You and Glenn have a safe trip down. > > Arthur > > > > > Arthur Southwell > Arthur Southwell Rebuilding > Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. > > asouth42 at embarqmail.com > > http://oldengine.org/members/southwell > http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html > http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 > http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc217/mr_nocatee/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Rotigel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:29 AM > Subject: [SEL] Zolfo (Pioneer Park) Show > > > Hi All, > Who will be at the Zolfo, FL Show (Feb. 27-March 2nd?) I plan to > arrive at the park on Tuesday the 26th. I'm in Ex #6 (my usual spot > right near the registration building) and Glenn Karch will be > showing > with me. How about two picture sessions? One on Friday and a second > on Saturday--both at high noon. (With two sessions we can be sure to > get everyone in.) > Dave > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: > 2/4/2008 10:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Feb 10 21:12:50 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:12:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face Message-ID: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> OK folks, if you watch CSpan (not sure if its I, II, or whatever) on Tuesday, Feb. 12 at 10:30 am Eastern Time, you might see a familiar face! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From johnculp at btes.tv Mon Feb 11 05:03:31 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:03:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face In-Reply-To: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Is Congress investigating you for using steroids, Tommy? John On Feb 11, 2008, at 12:12 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK folks, if you watch CSpan (not sure if its I, II, or whatever) on > Tuesday, Feb. 12 at 10:30 am Eastern Time, you might see a familiar > face! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Feb 11 06:54:16 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:54:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face In-Reply-To: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <3FD04B92-96DA-4628-959C-CC3E7E55DA18@rustyiron.com> On Feb 10, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK folks, if you watch CSpan (not sure if its I, II, or whatever) on > Tuesday, Feb. 12 at 10:30 am Eastern Time, you might see a familiar > face! Did Obama ask you to be his running mate? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 11 10:26:47 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:26:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> <3FD04B92-96DA-4628-959C-CC3E7E55DA18@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <002001c86cdb$a9d2c7e0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > > Did Obama ask you to be his running mate? >>>>>>>>>>> Pounding your fist on a 12 vial brick of Blow ? http://www.iloveblow.com/eventimages/productimages/l_afc1a8563d8f2b2eb993b12e21e47f38.jpg From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 13:48:40 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:48:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Piston Clearances Information Message-ID: <6f6025160802111348o1257b76ah86b20848a3f512be@mail.gmail.com> Scan of a page out of the Hepolite Piston catalogue that might be useful: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Piston1Red.jpg Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 11 18:06:08 2008 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:06:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <007601c86d1b$d53935a0$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> Tommy the Paducah Sun had a big write up on Hodgenville, LaRue County and Ol Abe today. Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face > OK folks, if you watch CSpan (not sure if its I, II, or whatever) on > Tuesday, Feb. 12 at 10:30 am Eastern Time, you might see a familiar face! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Feb 12 06:26:13 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:26:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face In-Reply-To: References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <47B1AC85.3060500@scrtc.com> Well, you won't get to see me afterall. Darn it! The program had to be cancelled to to a severe winter storm here in KY. I'll let you know should we reschedule it for the future. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Is Congress investigating you for using steroids, Tommy? > >John > >On Feb 11, 2008, at 12:12 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>OK folks, if you watch CSpan (not sure if its I, II, or whatever) on >>Tuesday, Feb. 12 at 10:30 am Eastern Time, you might see a familiar >>face! >> >> > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Feb 12 06:40:12 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:40:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face In-Reply-To: <007601c86d1b$d53935a0$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> <007601c86d1b$d53935a0$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> Message-ID: <47B1AFCC.40305@scrtc.com> Thanks Dick. Yeah, I was to be on CSpan from 10:30 to noon. But, we had an ice storm here and it nixed all the plans. Maybe in the future. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Tommy the Paducah Sun had a big write up on Hodgenville, LaRue County and Ol >Abe today. > >Dick Bauer > > > > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Feb 12 14:30:39 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:30:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com> <47B1AC85.3060500@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002a01c86dc6$e51c2bc0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Yeah I watched for 15 minutes, saw the story of the child molester that won 10 million in the lottery and wondered your connection???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face > Well, you won't get to see me afterall. Darn it! The program had to be > cancelled to to a severe winter storm here in KY. I'll let you know > should we reschedule it for the future. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>Is Congress investigating you for using steroids, Tommy? >> >>John >> >>On Feb 11, 2008, at 12:12 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >> >> >>>OK folks, if you watch CSpan (not sure if its I, II, or whatever) on >>>Tuesday, Feb. 12 at 10:30 am Eastern Time, you might see a familiar >>>face! >>> >>> >> >> >>John Culp >>Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 12 16:56:11 2008 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:56:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face References: <47AFD952.3020506@scrtc.com><007601c86d1b$d53935a0$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> <47B1AFCC.40305@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000801c86ddb$3a623840$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> I'll clip it and send it to you if you want it Tommy. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Watch CSpan to see a familiar face > Thanks Dick. Yeah, I was to be on CSpan from 10:30 to noon. But, we > had an ice storm here and it nixed all the plans. Maybe in the future. > Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>Tommy the Paducah Sun had a big write up on Hodgenville, LaRue County and >>Ol >>Abe today. >> >>Dick Bauer >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Feb 14 05:18:16 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:18:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received anything since the weekend! Surely someone is doing something engine related?? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Feb 14 05:34:01 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:34:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Patrick, Your coming through loud and clear........many of us are just fighting all the snow and bad weather. I had 20+ inches the other day and 4 more coming today. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Subject: [SEL] Test Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:28:21 +0000 > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 14 05:36:03 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:36:03 EST Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: In a message dated 2/14/2008 8:26:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: Surely someone is doing something engine related?? Patrick, I think winter depression has set in! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 14 05:37:11 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:37:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Coming in loud and clear in "The Big Sky" Patrick...btw..HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!! RickinMt. > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Feb 14 05:39:49 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:39:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001201c86f0f$1306bb60$3dc6ecdc@Edd> got you here mate. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Test > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Feb 14 05:51:23 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:51:23 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <034401c86f10$afe3a230$8335c53e@doc> No, 'tis quiet. Last message I got from the list was Peter Forbes, "Piston Clearances Information", on Monday at 22:00 UTC. All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Patrick M Livingstone > Sent: 14 February 2008 13:18 > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List > Subject: [SEL] Test > > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have > not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 14 06:03:12 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:03:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT Message-ID: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Folks, There are no engineering details provided (beyond a three minute "fill up" time), but this article has my bullshit detector clanging... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Feb 14 06:16:00 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:16:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD 2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi All, Would anyone here have any idea the make of the car in this photo. The passenger in the car is perported to be Fred Duesenberg. The photo is circa 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer for Fred 1916-1918 The car could very well be a prototype or a racing car so ID is likely to never occure. Thanks, Mark http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Feb 14 06:20:23 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:20:23 EST Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 Message-ID: Mark, I have no idea, but it sure is pretty! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From tsmith at hal-pc.org Thu Feb 14 06:28:35 2008 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:28:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: I didn't read the link in super detail (my BS alarm also went into overdrive) but it didn't say how far the car would go on a single charge of air (maybe 25' if it was level ground??). The other thing that caught my attention was the filling station looking hose. To have any chance at all to get enough air pressure for the kind of energy needed would require very high pressure, not a hundred PSI or whatever might be available to pump up a tire. I know the equipment required to fill my scuba tank to 3000 PSI is more robust than a rubber hose. It would probably require pressures like that to even have a chance. I'm having a problem with all this. There are very few free rides in this world and a lot of this latest "green technology" ain't all it's cracked up to be. On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:03:12 -0500 fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hiya Folks, > > There are no engineering details provided (beyond a three minute >"fill up" > time), but this article has my bullshit detector clanging... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From JR504 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 06:36:56 2008 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:36:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT Message-ID: In a message dated 2/14/2008 9:06:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm Hi Arnie, I believe the car is a reality, because I've seen them at Alternative Energy Events and heard about them from others. What they failed to mention was the range of the vehicle. It would take an awfully large tank to hold enough air to push a car any distance. My guess would be less than 50 miles between fillups, and probably way less than that. Joe "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" Henry Ford **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Feb 14 07:42:46 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:42:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Patrick: I don't know about them other critters but I've been busy re-working the experimental "Lenoiresque" engine. I'm keeping a journal on my web page. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 07:18 AM > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List > Subject: [SEL] Test > > > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very > quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Feb 14 07:52:31 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:52:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie: I don't doubt that the car will run fine. Range and acceleration are questions. Years ago, air was used to power a few underground mine railways and some above ground trains that had to run and sit idle in long tunnels. Those uses, though were not for economy but for safety from fire and fumes associated with steam locomotives. What I -don't- believe is the economy of operation. It takes a LOT of energy to compress air so if you add up the ineffeciencies of generating and transferring the electrical power to the compressor plus the ineffeciency of compressing the air itself PLUS the ineffeciency of the air engine, I have serious doubts the idea is practical. Ahh, well - that's just my opinion. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 08:03 AM > To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine > Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT > > > Hiya Folks, > > There are no engineering details provided (beyond > a three minute "fill up" > time), but this article has my bullshit detector > clanging... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm > > See ya, Arnie From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Feb 14 07:52:48 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:52:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Mark: The car dates to much earlier than 1916. Probably pre-1910. I'm sure I've seen a photo of it somewhere else, maybe an early Indianapolis Vanderbilt Cup racer. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 08:16 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 > > > Hi All, > Would anyone here have any idea the make of the > car in this photo. The > passenger in the car is perported to be Fred > Duesenberg. The photo is circa > 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer > for Fred 1916-1918 > The car could very well be a prototype or a > racing car so ID is likely to > never occure. Thanks, Mark > > http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg > Mark & Christine Shulaw From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 14 06:57:00 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:57:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <57373.168.215.206.73.1203001020.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Wow those front fenders are something! Gives a whole new meaning to wings. Curt > Hi All, > Would anyone here have any idea the make of the car in this photo. The > passenger in the car is perported to be Fred Duesenberg. The photo is > circa > 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer for Fred 1916-1918 > The car could very well be a prototype or a racing car so ID is likely to > never occure. Thanks, Mark > > http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Feb 14 07:58:26 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:58:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214104959.0305d100@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Eldon, The car being built earlier then the photo does appear to be the case. Its just credited that the photo was circa 1916. You're info about Vanderbilt Cup racers seem to be right on target and heading me in the right direction. Found a web site with photos of them. Those cars are so very similar to this one. In the 1916 era Duesenberg was still working to get a foothold in the auto industry and may have just known the owner of the car and wanted a photo of himself in the car at that time. Notice the make-shift fenders on the car, probably an afterthought to make the car more comfortably driveable in regular useage. Just imaging owning that car today. Thank You, Mark At 10:52 AM 2/14/08, you wrote: >Mark: > >The car dates to much earlier than 1916. Probably pre-1910. I'm sure >I've seen a photo of it somewhere else, maybe an early Indianapolis >Vanderbilt Cup racer. > >Take care - Elden Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 08:24:53 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:24:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6f6025160802140824gb9bc090i21da82ecb8a7e3eb@mail.gmail.com> On 14/02/2008, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone Seen loads of Spam this week, but have been working on the engine Patents most evenings and haven't had a lot of time to check the Lists. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 14 09:12:37 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:12:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] OT just because the list is a little slow for traffic. Message-ID: <5665.168.215.206.73.1203009157.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Since there is little going on the list, here is something for the engineering types. Curt Holland From falcon at telenet.net Thu Feb 14 09:24:33 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:24:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: References: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <47B47951.9040304@telenet.net> Tom Smith wrote: > I didn't read the link in super detail (my BS alarm also went into > overdrive) but it didn't say how far the car would go on a single > charge of air (maybe 25' if it was level ground??). > > The other thing that caught my attention was the filling station > looking hose. To have any chance at all to get enough air pressure for > the kind of energy needed would require very high pressure, not a > hundred PSI or whatever might be available to pump up a tire. I know > the equipment required to fill my scuba tank to 3000 PSI is more > robust than a rubber hose. It would probably require pressures like > that to even have a chance. > > I'm having a problem with all this. There are very few free rides in > this world and a lot of this latest "green technology" ain't all it's > cracked up to be. > Our SCBA tank refill stations use what is basically VERY clean hydraulic hose for filling our air bottles. I wouldn't want to be driving around with an air tank with that kind of pressure though. One small oops with that tank and you would be picking up pieces for a while.... -- Steve W. Firefighter,EMT,Fire Police VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 14 10:35:11 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:35:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <47B47951.9040304@telenet.net> References: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> <47B47951.9040304@telenet.net> Message-ID: <2085FA79-098F-48EF-9FBE-9E0BECD39920@alltel.net> On Feb 14, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Steve W. wrote: > Tom Smith wrote: >> I'm having a problem with all this. There are very few free rides in >> this world and a lot of this latest "green technology" ain't all it's >> cracked up to be. >> > Our SCBA tank refill stations use what is basically VERY clean > hydraulic > hose for filling our air bottles. I wouldn't want to be driving around > with an air tank with that kind of pressure though. One small oops > with > that tank and you would be picking up pieces for a while.... > > Steve W. Both you guys are missing TWO very important points: 1.) The inventor is a FROG, and 2.) The inventor says that if the tank(s) cracked (during a crash) it would only hurt the ears. (Although doG only knows why the driver would be holding the passengers ears during a crash!) Dave From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 14 10:48:29 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:48:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT References: Message-ID: <007301c86f3a$311efd80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> if you add up the ineffeciencies of generating and transferring the electrical power to the compressor plus the ineffeciency of compressing the air itself PLUS the ineffeciency of the air engine, I have serious doubts the idea is practical. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// But it runs on AAAAAAAEEEEEEEERRRRR !!!! LOL From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 11:08:23 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:08:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <2085FA79-098F-48EF-9FBE-9E0BECD39920@alltel.net> References: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> <47B47951.9040304@telenet.net> <2085FA79-098F-48EF-9FBE-9E0BECD39920@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160802141108o7196554va5256f8482a3548@mail.gmail.com> On 14/02/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > On Feb 14, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Steve W. wrote: > > > Both you guys are missing TWO very important points: > 1.) The inventor is a FROG, and > 2.) The inventor says that if the tank(s) cracked (during a crash) > it would only hurt the ears. (Although doG only knows why the driver > would be holding the passengers ears during a crash!) > Dave Yes, like the Medina Case Traction Engine that let go.... This car was widely reported in Europe and the UK, but I think a lot of folks, like over here, are seeing through the hype pretty well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 11:20:38 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:20:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Britsih Class 7 Engine Patents Message-ID: <6f6025160802141120j910cb59p4f833ed2aabd6cce@mail.gmail.com> We have had, at last, a definitive ruling from the UK Govt on display of the engine Patents that we are scanning etc. We are free to display them on the website(s) with no restrictions, but that only applies to the Govt text in each Patent, it does not cover the applicant's drawings that were part of the original Patent application. With this in mind, we will place a notice at the start of the Patents section, to the effect that any one related to the original Patentee or their Estate can request removal of the drawing at any time on application to us in writing. That should cover it. So, we have opened a new website to host the Patents on their own, it will take too much room up on Oldengine.org and Stationary-Engine.co.uk, and the single site is easier to control than two sets of material on the other two. Oldengine.co.uk will be the new host, there is nearly the full set of Part 1 1905-1908 Abridged Patents on there at present, 368 pages, but I have a few changes to make in accordance with the request by the IPO (UK Govt) so it will probably be over the weekend that access will become available. Please remember that this stuff is for personal/pleasure use only, we will take it off if we start finding CD's on ebay with material taken from the website. All images are digitally marked with Digimarc software. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 14 11:23:30 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:23:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <007301c86f3a$311efd80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <007301c86f3a$311efd80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905F265BE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I was wondering what psi they used and found this: "Barring any last-minute design changes on the way to production, the Air Car should be surprisingly practical. The US$12,700 CityCAT, one of a handful of planned Air Car models, can hit 68 mph and has a range of 125 miles. It will take only a few minutes for the CityCAT to refuel at gas stations equipped with custom air compressor units; MDI says it should cost around $2 to fill the car's carbon-fiber tanks with 340 liters of air at 4350 psi. Drivers will also be able to plug into the electrical grid and use the car's built-in compressor to refill the tanks in about fours hours. " This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Feb 14 11:33:07 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:33:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 Message-ID: <33280647.1029861203017587121.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web11-z02> In my opinion the car is definitely 1913 or earlier. If the picture is in the US, autos prior to this date were right hand drive such as this. Also notice the drip oilers, wooden wheels with wooden fellows, and chain drive. Around 1908 most chain drives were starting to disappear. ---- Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hi All, > Would anyone here have any idea the make of the car in this photo. The > passenger in the car is perported to be Fred Duesenberg. The photo is circa > 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer for Fred 1916-1918 > The car could very well be a prototype or a racing car so ID is likely to > never occure. Thanks, Mark > > http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alharris44 at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 11:57:30 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:57:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <47B49D2A.8030406@gmail.com> Yep. > http://www.tomlaferriere.com/images/AllenSpeedster/AllenSpeedster%20001.jpg > http://www.tomlaferriere.com/1914_Brass_Era_American_lafrance_speedster_simplex.htm Cheers, Al Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hi All, > Would anyone here have any idea the make of the car in this photo. The > passenger in the car is perported to be Fred Duesenberg. The photo is circa > 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer for Fred 1916-1918 > The car could very well be a prototype or a racing car so ID is likely to > never occure. Thanks, Mark > > http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 12:06:01 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:06:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905F265BE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <007301c86f3a$311efd80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905F265BE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160802141206o19df06f9keb38e14aee9efe71@mail.gmail.com> On 14/02/2008, Best, George wrote: > I was wondering what psi they used and found this: > > > "Barring any last-minute design changes on the way to production, the > Air Car should be surprisingly practical. The US$12,700 CityCAT, one of > a handful of planned Air Car models, can hit 68 mph and has a range of > 125 miles. It will take only a few minutes for the CityCAT to refuel at > gas stations equipped with custom air compressor units; MDI says it > should cost around $2 to fill the car's carbon-fiber tanks with 340 > liters of air at 4350 psi. Drivers will also be able to plug into the > electrical grid and use the car's built-in compressor to refill the > tanks in about fours hours. " > > What pressure does air liquefy at ?? See also: http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/20071/page2/ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Feb 14 12:19:04 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:19:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 Message-ID: <1974708.591861203020344666.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> Excellent job!! The one in Mark's picture does not have the swept cowl or the quadrant rod on the steering column and looks slightly more modern, but that is it! MR ---- Al Harris wrote: > Yep. > > > http://www.tomlaferriere.com/images/AllenSpeedster/AllenSpeedster%20001.jpg > > > http://www.tomlaferriere.com/1914_Brass_Era_American_lafrance_speedster_simplex.htm > > Cheers, > Al > > > Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Hi All, > > Would anyone here have any idea the make of the car in this photo. The > > passenger in the car is perported to be Fred Duesenberg. The photo is circa > > 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer for Fred 1916-1918 > > The car could very well be a prototype or a racing car so ID is likely to > > never occure. Thanks, Mark > > > > http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > > Parts lists available on request. > > > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > > No Sunday calls if possible. > > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Feb 14 13:35:45 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:35:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003d01c86f52$09d11d40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Reg away in Tasmania, home Tues. pm. Marg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Test > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Feb 14 15:07:14 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:07:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080214104959.0305d100@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Mark: The fenders on that car were most likely put-on for street use or when driving in a race where there was rain or mud. It would have been neat to hear that monster coming! I built something like that in the late '60's out of a junk American LaFrance fire engine. You can see it on my web page under "Otherstuff". I called it the Belchfire IV -and- you could hear me coming! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 09:58 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 > > > Hi Eldon, > The car being built earlier then the photo does > appear to be the case. Its > just credited that the photo was circa 1916. > You're info about Vanderbilt > Cup racers seem to be right on target and heading > me in the right > direction. Found a web site with photos of them. > Those cars are so very > similar to this one. > In the 1916 era Duesenberg was still working to > get a foothold in the auto > industry and may have just known the owner of the > car and wanted a photo of > himself in the car at that time. Notice the > make-shift fenders on the car, > probably an afterthought to make the car more > comfortably driveable in > regular useage. Just imaging owning that car today. > Thank You, Mark From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Feb 14 15:28:51 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:28:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <47B49D2A.8030406@gmail.com> Message-ID: Al: The first photo is of an American LaFrance racer in progress. It is a six cylinder! Geared right, that hunk of old iron should really move! The car in the movie is like I originally intended to make my American LaFrance racer but I decided I wanted to drive it more than I wanted to fiddle with making it absolutely correct. One thing about the movie....I wonder if the guy broke many crankshafts winding it up like that? He must have been pushing 2,500 RPM! I had a tach on mine and rarely ever let it go past 1,700 RPM. With a 5-1/2 bore and 6-1/2 stroke and no balancing, it would set teeth on edge at that speed. Made your ears ring, too! Of course, at 1700 RPM, it was going somewhere around 80 mph! That alone was enough to keep your attention! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/ > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 01:58 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 > > > Yep. > > > > http://www.tomlaferriere.com/images/AllenSpeedster > /AllenSpeedster%20001.jpg > > > > http://www.tomlaferriere.com/1914_Brass_Era_Americ > an_lafrance_speedster_simplex.htm > > Cheers, > Al From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 14 14:40:24 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:40:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT just because the list is a little slow for traffic. In-Reply-To: <5665.168.215.206.73.1203009157.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <5665.168.215.206.73.1203009157.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1203028824.47b4c3580eec3@webmail.city-net.com> And just in time for Engineers Week too... http://www.eweek.org/ Quoting curt at rustyiron.com: > Since there is little going on the list, here is something for the > engineering types. > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 14 14:59:22 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:59:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <33280647.1029861203017587121.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web11-z02> References: <33280647.1029861203017587121.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web11-z02> Message-ID: How did people make them "disappear?" Was it by magic? -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Feb 14, 2008, at 2:33 PM, wrote: > Around 1908 most chain drives were starting to disappear. > > ---- Mark Shulaw wrote: >> Hi All, >> Would anyone here have any idea the make of the car in this >> photo. The >> passenger in the car is perported to be Fred Duesenberg. The photo >> is circa >> 1916 The driver was named Adolph and was chauffer for Fred 1916-1918 >> The car could very well be a prototype or a racing car so ID is >> likely to >> never occure. Thanks, Mark >> >> http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg >> Mark & Christine Shulaw >> 454 Co. Rd. 33 >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> >> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >> Parts lists available on request. >> >> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >> No Sunday calls if possible. >> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I >> represent >> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, >> Preservationist and >> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Feb 14 15:28:44 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:28:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 References: Message-ID: <005201c86f61$576d9790$726f4b47@mikecomp> If you enlarge the picture you can see the fenders are canvas with 3 springs on the end to keep them tight! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 > Mark: > > The fenders on that car were most likely put-on for street use or when > driving in a race where there was rain or mud. It would have been neat to > hear that monster coming! > > I built something like that in the late '60's out of a junk American > LaFrance fire engine. You can see it on my web page under "Otherstuff". > I called it the Belchfire IV -and- you could hear me coming! > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Mark Shulaw >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 09:58 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 >> >> >> Hi Eldon, >> The car being built earlier then the photo does >> appear to be the case. Its >> just credited that the photo was circa 1916. >> You're info about Vanderbilt >> Cup racers seem to be right on target and heading >> me in the right >> direction. Found a web site with photos of them. >> Those cars are so very >> similar to this one. >> In the 1916 era Duesenberg was still working to >> get a foothold in the auto >> industry and may have just known the owner of the >> car and wanted a photo of >> himself in the car at that time. Notice the >> make-shift fenders on the car, >> probably an afterthought to make the car more >> comfortably driveable in >> regular useage. Just imaging owning that car today. >> Thank You, Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Thu Feb 14 15:57:38 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:57:38 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Engines in West Aussie Message-ID: <00a001c86f65$635dc990$210110ac@Chester> Because the lists are quite i thought i would tell you what im up to, i have just won a mixer for my 8 cycle aermotor off ebay, this is the last major part i needed, only need some governor parts now, My 8hp famous is very close to firing up, the big end bearing is off being fixed, the sheetmetal is off being repaired, i am busy making the seat & step & repairing handbrake. To top it all off i have just picked up a 8hp austral on original transport to restore, missing some parts but a worthwhile project, so engine restoring is good, cheers for now, Chester from West Aussie. From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Thu Feb 14 16:19:44 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:19:44 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <47B4DAA0.5060705@optusnet.com.au> fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hiya Folks, > > There are no engineering details provided (beyond a three minute "fill up" > time), but this article has my bullshit detector clanging... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm > > See ya, Arnie === Darn, you've just blown my next invention. Basically a compressed air engined car, the "Pothole Express". The cunning bit is that I am using the shock-absorbers to act as pumps to keep the air pressure up. Bumpier the road, the further you go. Should sell well around here. Jack === From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Feb 14 16:49:03 2008 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:49:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002c01c86f6c$928acc20$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Got ya way up here in Gosford Patrick. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Test > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanwh at iinet.net.au Thu Feb 14 17:11:03 2008 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan ) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:11:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] rally coming up In-Reply-To: <002c01c86f6c$928acc20$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <6a9ms5$8hoflo@outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out1.iinet.net.au> Some more info re the Wagga Rally The Wagga Rally is on again Saturday 5th & Sunday 6th April,2008 At Gumly Oval Pioneer Ave, Gumly Gumly, via Wagga Wagga NSW Alan Wheaton Wagga http://www.oldengine.org/members/wagga/ From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Feb 14 18:45:16 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:45:16 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160802141206o19df06f9keb38e14aee9efe71@mail.gmail.com> References: <007301c86f3a$311efd80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905F265BE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160802141206o19df06f9keb38e14aee9efe71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03c701c86f7c$cc679f30$8335c53e@doc> At room temperatures, air can't be liquefied by pressure alone. The critical temperature for air is -140C or -220F. Above this temperature, air remains a gas regardless of pressure. At the critical temperature, air is liquid at 573 psi or 39 bar. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: 14 February 2008 20:06 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT > > On 14/02/2008, Best, George wrote: > > I was wondering what psi they used and found this: > > > > > > "Barring any last-minute design changes on the way to > production, the > > Air Car should be surprisingly practical. The US$12,700 > CityCAT, one of > > a handful of planned Air Car models, can hit 68 mph and > has a range of > > 125 miles. It will take only a few minutes for the CityCAT > to refuel at > > gas stations equipped with custom air compressor units; MDI says it > > should cost around $2 to fill the car's carbon-fiber tanks with 340 > > liters of air at 4350 psi. Drivers will also be able to > plug into the > > electrical grid and use the car's built-in compressor to refill the > > tanks in about fours hours. " > > > > > > What pressure does air liquefy at ?? > > See also: > > http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/20071/page2/ > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Feb 14 23:24:43 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:24:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000c01c86fa3$d5aac4b0$0200a8c0@altech> This LIST engine related, you have got to be kidding ;-))) I just got 55 posts, all OK here mate. Peter, Oz > Is it just me or has the list gone very, very quiet. I have not received > anything since the weekend! > Surely someone is doing something engine related?? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Feb 15 00:09:43 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:09:43 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT References: Message-ID: <01c101c86faa$1f9b8b30$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> I had heard of this compressed air design car over a year ago as a guy i knew had bought shares into the company was asking others to sign up from what i saw it looked promising the vehicle he was speaking of was the dual fuel model which used multi fuels to heat up the compressor unit that created the high pressure the problem for making them legal was the high tank pressure that was thought to be dangerous however lpg tanks would be rated as considerably more dangerous. They also had a generator model engine that was going to be sold to the public for generating own electricity as once again the engine was very energy efficent.At this stage there are no cars in New Zealand but he said they were being made in India by the tata corporation and at the time there were plans to set up a factory in australia he has since moved from the area so have lost contact as to what is happening if i was to buy a model it would be the dual fuel type as you wouldnt need to rely on a filling station to plug it in as we live in a rural area. One of the things he mentioned is that the new car performed just like a petrol/diesel car otherwise people wouldnt be interested in it ..I havent closed my mind on the idea but like to see one and see how they perform...and read up on the road trail tests from what i have read they will be a fraction of the price of a new car. heres some more info regarding it http://www.climatechangecorp.com/content.asp?ContentID=5154 brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT > > > In a message dated 2/14/2008 9:06:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm > > > Hi Arnie, > I believe the car is a reality, because I've seen them at Alternative Energy > Events and heard about them from others. What they failed to mention was > the range of the vehicle. It would take an awfully large tank to hold enough > air to push a car any distance. My guess would be less than 50 miles between > fillups, and probably way less than that. > Joe > > > "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" > Henry Ford > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 03:37:26 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:37:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <000c01c86fa3$d5aac4b0$0200a8c0@altech> References: <20080214131810.WLMB27169.oaamta07sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <000c01c86fa3$d5aac4b0$0200a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6f6025160802150337m338370alc1099947eca2831e@mail.gmail.com> On 15/02/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > This LIST engine related, you have got to be kidding ;-))) > I just got 55 posts, all OK here mate. > > Peter, Oz >From when to when?? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Feb 15 07:18:48 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:18:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: <47B49D2A.8030406@gmail.com> References: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> <47B49D2A.8030406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080215094533.03476150@pop3.wcoil.com> Thank You everyone thats written. The actual builder of the car may never be known but the suggestion by Elden to look at Vanderbilt racers was a good one. I see lots of similarities on those cars to the one we are looking at. The pic sent by Al of the American Lafrance Speedster has striking similarities to our mystery car. I've read that many of the builders or owners of cars started with a basic car design and striped it down to rolling chassis and rebuilt to suit. But like today some parts were bought from builders that made certain things like mufflers, or built their parts after other peoples designs, or their own ideas making different cars look similar due to requirements of race rules and needs to win. I have been looking more at the frame, wheels and suspension to determine similarities. As in todays Nascar cars the body designs are similar due to profile length and height rules. So right or wrong in the case of the old cars I look at the less likely to have been changed things like frames, wheels and suspension. And in this case Chain Drive. Sheet metal and mufflers are too easy to change. A bit more info on the picture She said her grandfather (now passed) said it was taken in Dubuque, Iowa But like so many of us, at the time when the info was available for the asking she was not interested in the details enough to ask more. I'll keep you updated when new info turns up. Thank You, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Feb 15 07:34:48 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:34:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 References: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com><47B49D2A.8030406@gmail.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080215094533.03476150@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Mark I was thinking maybe one could find some info in one of Floyd Clymers books. There are quite a few on ebay now. Just a thot RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 > Thank You everyone thats written. The actual builder of the car may never > be known but the suggestion by Elden to look at Vanderbilt racers was a > good one. I see lots of similarities on those cars to the one we are > looking at. The pic sent by Al of the American Lafrance Speedster has > striking similarities to our mystery car. I've read that many of the > builders or owners of cars started with a basic car design and striped it > down to rolling chassis and rebuilt to suit. But like today some parts > were > bought from builders that made certain things like mufflers, or built > their > parts after other peoples designs, or their own ideas making different > cars > look similar due to requirements of race rules and needs to win. I have > been looking more at the frame, wheels and suspension to determine > similarities. As in todays Nascar cars the body designs are similar due to > profile length and height rules. So right or wrong in the case of the old > cars I look at the less likely to have been changed things like frames, > wheels and suspension. And in this case Chain Drive. Sheet metal and > mufflers are too easy to change. > A bit more info on the picture She said her grandfather (now passed) said > it was taken in Dubuque, Iowa But like so many of us, at the time when > the > info was available for the asking she was not interested in the details > enough to ask more. > I'll keep you updated when new info turns > up. Thank You, Mark > > > > > > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > Bluffton, Ohio > Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > Home #419.358.5206 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 08:43:37 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:43:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT : Unknown Chain Drive Car circa 1916 In-Reply-To: References: <021420081334.949.47B443490001F158000003B5219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080214090541.03063060@pop3.wcoil.com> <47B49D2A.8030406@gmail.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080215094533.03476150@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0802150843l29e85889v4824f96d2f514212@mail.gmail.com> Don't overlook the possibility that the car is a one of a kind or very limited production. My friend's grandfather made the Pioneer, the first production car made West of the Mississippi. A stove man made the body, he made all the rest. That was, apparently, not all that rare as I once saw a very old book - that I'm sorry I didn't buy - that had instructions for making automobiles, engines and all. So you may have a speedster version of a production car, a conglomeration similar to a hot rod, or a one of a kind. In any event, that is a good looking car. Paul In SanFran From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 15 14:28:28 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:28:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT In-Reply-To: <47B4DAA0.5060705@optusnet.com.au> References: <1202997792.47b44a20e0fd9@webmail.city-net.com> <47B4DAA0.5060705@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <1203114508.47b6120cd3d15@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Jack, Don't forget to include the rotary air pump to recharge the air tank when the "Pothole Express" is going downhill. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Jack Watson : > Darn, you've just blown my next invention. > > Basically a compressed air engined car, the "Pothole Express". > > The cunning bit is that I am using the shock-absorbers to act as pumps > to keep the air pressure up. Bumpier the road, the further you go. > Should sell well around here. From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Feb 15 15:41:23 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:41:23 EST Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT Message-ID: Hi List, Before electricity was available in Lead, South Dakota, the local gold mine used high pressure air engines to pull their mining cars in and out of mine shafts. I was there about 20 years ago and several air engines were on display. They looked like a small locomotive with a large air tank. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Fri Feb 15 16:47:57 2008 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:47:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID Message-ID: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were in storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like a Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD Melbourne" Engine No. F1082. Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? Thanks........ Andy Nicholson Townsville Qld OZ From alharris44 at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 17:12:03 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:12:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> References: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> Message-ID: <47B63863.2000106@gmail.com> Got a pic Andy? Al Harris Clarence Coast NSW OZ Andy Nicholson wrote: > Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were in > storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. > I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like a > Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. > On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD Melbourne" > Engine No. F1082. > Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? > Thanks........ > > Andy Nicholson > Townsville Qld > OZ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Feb 15 19:43:28 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:43:28 EST Subject: [SEL] Engine ID Message-ID: Hi Andy, If it helps I do know Villiers did make an engine for a small motorcycle. I once had a James cycle with a Villiers engine. It was not a moped as it had no bicycle pedals. I think it had a three speed transmission. I didn't have much luck with getting it to run right as I could never figure out the spark timing. The flywheel was held in place by taper fit on the crankshaft with no keyway. Eventually I returned it to the seller. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 2/15/2008 6:56:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, rustyiron1 at bigpond.com writes: Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were in storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like a Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD Melbourne" Engine No. F1082. Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? Thanks........ Andy Nicholson Townsville Qld OZ **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Feb 15 19:55:59 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:55:59 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT References: Message-ID: <020901c8704f$d7c5c950$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Francis thats interesting i have a very old book late 1890s and they were using compressed air drills when mining the reason was that they did the same work as steam and also provided air for the workers esp where the air was foul reduced risk of explotions powered up by steam engines back then in the book it shows the picture of the machine that was to be used to drill the tunnel for the english channel it mentions it could run on steam or if that wasnt suitable then compressed air some the earliest shearing handpieces i think early 1800s were powered by air , saw one a collector had and it was powered by a hand bellows and worked extremely well same principle as air tools.brent ----- Original Message ----- rom: To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Compressed Air Car? -- OT > Hi List, > Before electricity was available in Lead, South Dakota, the local gold mine > used high pressure air engines to pull their mining cars in and out of mine > shafts. I was there about 20 years ago and several air engines were on > display. They looked like a small locomotive with a large air tank. > > > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Feb 15 20:08:02 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:08:02 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID References: Message-ID: <022201c87051$86c92450$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Ron i repair villier engines mainly 2 and 4 stroke stationary engines there is an arrow on the fly wheel that lines up with a mark on the body at the back of the flywheel roughly at 10 oclock a half moon shape with a line ,The arrow mark on the flywheel and the line on the body line up; on the crank there is normally a slot that is set directly to the top if these are all lined up tighten the centre bolt and it should fire a common fault also with them is the condenser packs up this is normally hiding underneath the points if there is no mark you might have to set the piston at just before tdc if you can put a piece off wire in the head it drops about 3mm i think.All the engines are set that way that i have.. In regard to the condenser you can use a car type one 12volt will do the same job just to get the engine running if you have trouble getting a spark they are great little engines there is a place in england that sells parts for them but the car one works fine.hope that helps brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID > > Hi Andy, > > If it helps I do know Villiers did make an engine for a small motorcycle. I > once had a James cycle with a Villiers engine. It was not a moped as it had > no bicycle pedals. I think it had a three speed transmission. I didn't > have much luck with getting it to run right as I could never figure out the > spark timing. The flywheel was held in place by taper fit on the crankshaft with > no keyway. Eventually I returned it to the seller. > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri USA > > In a message dated 2/15/2008 6:56:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, > rustyiron1 at bigpond.com writes: > > Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were in > storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. > I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like a > Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. > On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD Melbourne" > Engine No. F1082. > Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? > Thanks........ > > Andy Nicholson > Townsville Qld > OZ > > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Feb 15 20:28:59 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:28:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Engine ID Message-ID: Hi Brent, I wish I had know all this back in 1954. Thanks. Next time I find a Villiers engine I'll be better prepared to deal with it. Ron In a message dated 2/15/2008 10:16:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz writes: Ron i repair villier engines mainly 2 and 4 stroke stationary engines there is an arrow on the fly wheel that lines up with a mark on the body at the back of the flywheel roughly at 10 oclock a half moon shape with a line ,The arrow mark on the flywheel and the line on the body line up; on the crank there is normally a slot that is set directly to the top if these are all lined up tighten the centre bolt and it should fire a common fault also with them is the condenser packs up this is normally hiding underneath the points if there is no mark you might have to set the piston at just before tdc if you can put a piece off wire in the head it drops about 3mm i think.All the engines are set that way that i have.. In regard to the condenser you can use a car type one 12volt will do the same job just to get the engine running if you have trouble getting a spark they are great little engines there is a place in england that sells parts for them but the car one works fine.hope that helps brentnz **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From alharris44 at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 21:17:55 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:17:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <022201c87051$86c92450$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <022201c87051$86c92450$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <47B67203.6040004@gmail.com> A bit of Aussie input on non-kiwi Villiers: brent wrote: > Ron i repair villier engines mainly 2 and 4 stroke stationary engines there > is an arrow on the fly wheel that lines up with a mark on the body at the > back of the flywheel roughly at 10 oclock On my Villiers Mk 10KS and Mk 12HS it is at 12 o'clock. a half moon shape with a line ,The > arrow mark on the flywheel and the line on the body line up; on the crank > there is normally a slot that is set directly to the top the keyway on my two engines if these are all > lined up tighten the centre bolt and it should fire a common fault also with > them is the condenser packs up this is normally hiding underneath the points a GL103 is a good option if it can be sourced > if there is no mark you might have to set the piston at just before tdc if > you can put a piece off wire in the head it drops about 3mm or 3/16" before TDC i think.All the > engines are set that way that i have.. In regard to the condenser you can > use a car type one 12volt will do the same job just to get the engine > running there is a modification to use a 6v or a 12v coil, running off the flywheel coils primary winding too, if the flywheel coil is history. I can supply this mod if needed. if you have trouble getting a spark they are great little engines > there is a place in england that sells parts for them but the car one works > fine.hope that helps brentnz They are fun little engines, Al Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID > > >> Hi Andy, >> >> If it helps I do know Villiers did make an engine for a small motorcycle. > I >> once had a James cycle with a Villiers engine. It was not a moped as it > had >> no bicycle pedals. I think it had a three speed transmission. I didn't >> have much luck with getting it to run right as I could never figure out > the >> spark timing. The flywheel was held in place by taper fit on the > crankshaft with >> no keyway. Eventually I returned it to the seller. >> Regards, >> Ron Carroll >> Clearmont, Missouri USA >> >> In a message dated 2/15/2008 6:56:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> rustyiron1 at bigpond.com writes: >> >> Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were > in >> storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. >> I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like > a >> Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. >> On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD > Melbourne" >> Engine No. F1082. >> Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? >> Thanks........ >> >> Andy Nicholson >> Townsville Qld >> OZ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy >> Awards. Go to AOL Music. >> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 > 10:10 AM >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 00:17:16 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:17:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> References: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> Message-ID: <6f6025160802160017q4033bbdfx98dbd99cbb8d8a48@mail.gmail.com> On 16/02/2008, Andy Nicholson wrote: > Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were in > storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. > I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like a > Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. > On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD Melbourne" > Engine No. F1082. > Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? > Thanks........ > > Andy Nicholson > Townsville Qld > OZ > There are a couple of books you can look out for: "The Villiers Engine", B E Browning, published by Pearson in the UK. "The Book of The Villiers Engine", published by Pitman in the UK. The Browning book is probably the better of the two (I have both here) and there are also versions for other makes such as BSA, JAP etc. 22 hits: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Browning&bi=0&bx=on&ds=30&kn=Villiers+and+engine&sortby=2&sts=t&x=24&y=3 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 16 00:55:32 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:55:32 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID References: Message-ID: <002f01c87079$b95a5d80$25c20b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID > > Hi Andy, > > If it helps I do know Villiers did make an engine for a small motorcycle. I > once had a James cycle with a Villiers engine. It was not a moped as it had > no bicycle pedals. I think it had a three speed transmission. I didn't > have much luck with getting it to run right as I could never figure out the > spark timing. The flywheel was held in place by taper fit on the crankshaft with > no keyway. Eventually I returned it to the seller. > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri USA A good bit of Villers information is at the West Country virtual museum site. See http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/museum.htm Go to the Engineering hall & read the Villiers information. I find this site very interesting. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 05:00:24 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:00:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] British Class 7 Engine Patents - Now open Message-ID: <6f6025160802160500l7a9496acid97a4387ae0987ba@mail.gmail.com> (Managed to get the header spelt right this time!) The first 368 pages are up and running. You can either look in the Subject Matter Index, get the patent number(s) for the things you are interested in; or go to the Names Index to look up the people involved; then select individual pages from the menu below. Note that the pages menu is split into 1905 and 1906 years, Patents are numbered only within one year, so make sure you have the year right! Each page reference on the menu has the starting and finishing Patent number on it, so you can check that 'your' patent is there before you load the page. http://www.oldengine.co.uk As usual, there may be glitches or typo's or missing links, so let me know as soon as you find anything please. The next section, Part 2, will have the 1907-1908 Patents, and I'll start that when I get back from Gibraltar. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sat Feb 16 11:18:05 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:18:05 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID References: <002f01c87079$b95a5d80$25c20b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <010501c870d0$a8bbaf40$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Dave good sites lots of various info worth checking out brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:43 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID > > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > If it helps I do know Villiers did make an engine for a small motorcycle. I > > once had a James cycle with a Villiers engine. It was not a moped as it had > > no bicycle pedals. I think it had a three speed transmission. I didn't > > have much luck with getting it to run right as I could never figure out the > > spark timing. The flywheel was held in place by taper fit on the crankshaft with > > no keyway. Eventually I returned it to the seller. > > Regards, > > Ron Carroll > > Clearmont, Missouri USA > > A good bit of Villers information is at the West Country virtual museum site. > See > http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/museum.htm > Go to the Engineering hall & read the Villiers information. > I find this site very interesting. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM > > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sat Feb 16 14:48:45 2008 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:48:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lalley Lite Info Message-ID: <001301c870ee$1932b4e0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Help please!!! I understand Loren Erwin of Carthage,MO. has a manual for Lalley Light gen-set. engines at ipa.net address I have for Loren is unknown also Paul Gray or Frank Eddy may have some info. Anybody know them or contact availability? Thx. George From glenn.karch at att.net Sat Feb 16 18:42:02 2008 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:42:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Lalley Lite Info Message-ID: <372469.93577.qm@web83719.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Frank Eddy passed away a couple years ago. ----- Original Message ---- From: armstrong To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:48:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Lalley Lite Info Help please!!! I understand Loren Erwin of Carthage,MO. has a manual for Lalley Light gen-set. engines at ipa.net address I have for Loren is unknown also Paul Gray or Frank Eddy may have some info. Anybody know them or contact availability? Thx. George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 16 22:32:59 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:32:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080217063246.SWQA2036.oaamta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Thanks Rick. Another year older but not any wiser. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Friday, 15 February 2008 12:37 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Test Coming in loud and clear in "The Big Sky" Patrick...btw..HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!! RickinMt. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Feb 16 22:33:18 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:33:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080217063306.DDSA23420.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Well, that woke everyone up :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 23:12:09 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:12:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <20080217063306.DDSA23420.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080217063306.DDSA23420.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6f6025160802162312h37d91a2dv3fa6fa3a4f4f080@mail.gmail.com> On 17/02/2008, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Well, that woke everyone up :) > > Patrick M Livingstone Everyone is obviously heads-down and working on their engines! Frosty and clear this morning, got a nice tax refund on the way as well, so feeling quite perky :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Feb 17 05:26:58 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:26:58 EST Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: In a message dated 2/17/2008 2:16:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: got a nice tax refund on the way as well, Peter, I knew George Bush was trying to help the sluggish economy, but did not realize he was sending the "jump start" checks world wide! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 08:34:46 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:34:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160802170834y1b6b3b24h924a0352e21b4b8e@mail.gmail.com> On 17/02/2008, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/17/2008 2:16:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, > listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: > > got a nice tax refund on the way as > well, > > > Peter, > > I knew George Bush was trying to help the sluggish economy, but did not > realize he was sending the "jump start" checks world wide! > > > Tom Schmutz We are VERY grateful for all contributions, Tom! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From alharris44 at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 12:13:25 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:13:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> References: <000d01c87035$92d26a20$0200000a@Andy> Message-ID: <47B89565.7000805@gmail.com> Ozzies (Vic's, maybe SA's, any old fogies), Andy uploaded a few pics of the 2-stroke with which I have made a sloppy montage. Also note that the word "FieldMaster" is on the start-rope pulley. Google was *not* my friend. Maybe the pics will stir some memories up in someone. > http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/picjug/andys_two-stroke.jpg Cheers, Al Clarence Coast NSW Oz Andy Nicholson wrote: > Hi, I've just got hold of a couple of engines (one for parts) that were in > storage for me, from a deceased member of my club. > I've never seen these before, they're a little 2 Stroke, look allot like a > Villiars, but has a Motor bike Crank case. > On the flywheel it has "Australian Marine Engine Company PTY LTD Melbourne" > Engine No. F1082. > Would any one out there have any idea's on these engines? > Thanks........ > > Andy Nicholson > Townsville Qld > OZ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Doug.Cockram at toyota.com.au Sun Feb 17 15:33:55 2008 From: Doug.Cockram at toyota.com.au (Doug.Cockram at toyota.com.au) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:33:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] rally coming up Message-ID: Thanks very mutch Alan With the Rudof Deisel Rall upon us at Lake GoldSmith, I have alread been to the first working be, and still much tobe done. Saddley I shan,t bee traveling to NSW. But I have already put a reminder in for next xmass in my PDA to catch up with you then regards doug C. "Alan " To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" , Sent by: sel-bounces at lists.stationary cc: -engine.com Subject: [SEL] rally coming up 15/02/2008 12:11 PM Please respond to The SEL email discussion list Some more info re the Wagga Rally The Wagga Rally is on again Saturday 5th & Sunday 6th April,2008 At Gumly Oval Pioneer Ave, Gumly Gumly, via Wagga Wagga NSW Alan Wheaton Wagga http://www.oldengine.org/members/wagga/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ###################################################################### DISCLAIMER: This email and any attachment may contain confidential information. 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What a beautiful old piece of machinery. His name, "Raymond", was given to him by my friend Justin Ludewig. When Justin first saw the bore and stroke he said "This engine is going to BARK!" Justin had many years ago worked for a boss with the name "Raymond Bark" so this engine became known as Raymond - because he was going to "bark". As it turned out Raymond never "barked" - even before I built him a silencer. Raymond preferred to act as the perfect "English Gentleman" - "quiet and aloof" and went about his business of delivering power with a minimum of fuss. I last started him as part of my "New Years Crankup" and he's been standing outside ever since - albeit with his own tarpaulin to protect him from the elements. Tonight he fired with just one turn of the crank handle. I've often written to the SEL about him but for those who missed these posts you can read about Raymond here: He is a really beautiful old gentleman (even with his Lister 6/1 spoked flywheels which are so much "handsomer" (poetic licence invoked) than his original solid flywheels) and he always enjoys a drink with his present guardian (that's me). Tonight I played with his carby settings and had him firing happily only 26 times per minute (he's throttle governed - not "hit 'n miss".). This equates to about 300+ R.P.M. (or less) (He also has an oil pump so does not mind running so slowly because the oil pump still gets the good stuff to the important parts!) This is well below his normal working speed but he spent many years working hard and is retired now (and he will never again be asked to work to the maximum). All he needs to do now is enthrall crowds at engine shows (and have a regular drink with his present owner (me again)). Raymond loves having a drink with me - I have a glass of "Brandy & Coke" and he has a glass of "Petrol". The only problem is that he drinks so much slower than me and I find myself "topping up" for myself more often than for him! We spent about 3 1/2 hours of really quality time together tonight. Some of Raymonds "claims to fame" are: a) He is the only restored and running Wolseley "Type R" in South Africa. b) The Australian Wolseley register only lists about 6 of these engines (thats the 6HP version) (Of course there will be more unregistered!) c) He's such a gentleman ! d) His "Dad" (thats me again) loves him to pieces. I asked the SEL (and OldEngine) lists to vote (about 18 months ago) as to wether I should "slick him up" and paint him or "leave him as he is". The "leave him as he is" lobby won but I was not convinced. I decided to wait and see. I'm still undecided ! I love him in his "working clothes". I've got quite a few less illustrious engines that are "all slicked up" and they do attract a lot of attention and compliments at engine shows but these comments just do not seem to measure up to the comment "Hey look - here's a really old one!" This usually comes from a person who knows nothing about old engines but, because the Wolseley is not "all slicked-up" and does have a few oil leaks and is dirty and rusty they naturally assume that it is REALLY, REALLY old and it "steals the show" as far as they are concerned. I think I'll keep him as he is :-) Now to find plans for a Rusty Cart :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 18 14:20:06 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:20:06 EST Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! Message-ID: Hard to believe that this engine is only one day older than I am! Francis In a message dated 2/18/2008 2:07:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: Just to restore my faith in old engines I decided to have a drink with my old Wolseley "R Type" born 18/08/1928. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Feb 18 16:07:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:07:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080218221212.00badb80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: 'Ya done good, guy! It's really nice to have an old friend who you can drink with. :-) Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 04:00 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! > > > Hi Guys, > The SEL Digest arrived a while ago and > only 2 posts and none of > them interesting - damn. > > Just to restore my faith in old engines > I decided to have a drink > with my old Wolseley "R Type" born 18/08/1928 .............................snip.................................. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Feb 18 20:41:08 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:41:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Epson transfer Message-ID: <20080218.204108.1924.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I just moved my first album from Epson to Picasa (Google). I hope it works. This is from 2003 so you won't see anything new. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/HighlandCitrusFestival Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Feb 18 21:23:57 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:23:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Epson transfer In-Reply-To: <20080218.204108.1924.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000701c872b7$a24917e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Looks good Ron Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2008 3:41 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Epson transfer Hi all. I just moved my first album from Epson to Picasa (Google). I hope it works. This is from 2003 so you won't see anything new. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/HighlandCitrusFestival Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 30/12/2007 11:27 AM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Feb 19 01:42:28 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:42:28 +1300 Subject: [SEL] British Class 7 Engine Patents - Now open References: <6f6025160802160500l7a9496acid97a4387ae0987ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011c01c872dc$1c983d90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Peter i am amazed at how much info you have downloaded massive job if you hadnt copied it would probably be lost forever well done at least this way it is made available to the public brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" ; Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:00 AM Subject: [SEL] British Class 7 Engine Patents - Now open > (Managed to get the header spelt right this time!) > > The first 368 pages are up and running. > > You can either look in the Subject Matter Index, get the patent > number(s) for the things you are interested in; > > or go to the Names Index to look up the people involved; > > then select individual pages from the menu below. Note that the pages > menu is split into 1905 and 1906 years, Patents are numbered only > within one year, so make sure you have the year right! > > Each page reference on the menu has the starting and finishing Patent > number on it, so you can check that 'your' patent is there before you > load the page. > > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > As usual, there may be glitches or typo's or missing links, so let me > know as soon as you find anything please. > > The next section, Part 2, will have the 1907-1908 Patents, and I'll > start that when I get back from Gibraltar. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM > From curt at rustyiron.com Tue Feb 19 04:50:47 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:50:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63111.168.215.206.73.1203425447.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Elden, Jerry, Your story prompts me to share with you an evening ritual Missy and I have been doing the last several years. Every weather decent evening, about dusk, I set a couple of easy chairs in the driveway and light the yellow dog. Meanwhile Missy has chilled a beer for me in the freezer and she makes a mixed drink concoction. She brings the drinks out and we chill to the flickering light of the yellow dog as the sun retires, talking about the day, work, the SEL, engine shows, etc. Just had our 21 wedding anniversary last week and it just keeps getting better. Old iron....old couples....doesn't get much better 'n that! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > Jerry: > > 'Ya done good, guy! It's really nice to have an old friend who you can > drink with. :-) > > Take care - Elden > >> >> Hi Guys, >> The SEL Digest arrived a while ago and >> only 2 posts and none of >> them interesting - damn. >> >> Just to restore my faith in old engines >> I decided to have a drink >> with my old Wolseley "R Type" born 18/08/1928 > > .............................snip.................................. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Feb 19 04:54:06 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:54:06 EST Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! Message-ID: Jerry, Cheers to Raymond! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Feb 19 07:02:12 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:02:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! In-Reply-To: <63111.168.215.206.73.1203425447.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Curt: You are a lucky guy to have a "Better Half" who likes your hobby. As with a lot of rustaholics, my wife only tolerates my hobby most times (not a biggie, it's just not her thing) but puts-up with it (and me!). Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 06:51 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] What I did tonight ! > > > Elden, Jerry, > Your story prompts me to share with you an > evening ritual Missy and I have > been doing the last several years. Every weather > decent evening, about > dusk, I set a couple of easy chairs in the > driveway and light the yellow > dog. Meanwhile Missy has chilled a beer for me in > the freezer and she > makes a mixed drink concoction. She brings the > drinks out and we chill to > the flickering light of the yellow dog as the sun > retires, talking about > the day, work, the SEL, engine shows, etc. Just > had our 21 wedding > anniversary last week and it just keeps getting > better. Old iron....old > couples....doesn't get much better 'n that! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 19 08:11:23 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:11:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Elden, It goes WAY beyond what Curt is telling you. Fact is--MISSY is the BRAINS behind their whole operation! Dave On Feb 19, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Elden DuRand wrote: > Curt: > > You are a lucky guy to have a "Better Half" who likes your hobby. > As with a lot of rustaholics, my wife only tolerates my hobby most > times (not a biggie, it's just not her thing) but puts-up with it > (and me!). > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of >> curt at rustyiron.com >> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 06:51 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] What I did tonight ! >> >> >> Elden, Jerry, >> Your story prompts me to share with you an >> evening ritual Missy and I have >> been doing the last several years. Every weather >> decent evening, about >> dusk, I set a couple of easy chairs in the >> driveway and light the yellow >> dog. Meanwhile Missy has chilled a beer for me in >> the freezer and she >> makes a mixed drink concoction. She brings the >> drinks out and we chill to >> the flickering light of the yellow dog as the sun >> retires, talking about >> the day, work, the SEL, engine shows, etc. Just >> had our 21 wedding >> anniversary last week and it just keeps getting >> better. Old iron....old >> couples....doesn't get much better 'n that! >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Feb 19 10:00:49 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:00:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What I did tonight ! In-Reply-To: <63111.168.215.206.73.1203425447.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <63111.168.215.206.73.1203425447.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:50 AM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Just had our 21 wedding > anniversary last week and it just keeps getting better. Congratulations you two. Curt, any idea why she's tolerated you for all these years? Missy, are the kitchen shelves THAT high up? Rob From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 19 10:20:01 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:20:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] British Class 7 Engine Patents - Now open References: <6f6025160802160500l7a9496acid97a4387ae0987ba@mail.gmail.com> <011c01c872dc$1c983d90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <004f01c87324$0b35ef00$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Peter i am amazed at how much info you have downloaded massive job if you > hadnt copied it would probably be lost forever well done at least this > way > it is made available to the public brent As far as reprints showing up on ebay , its a pisser , but I always thought of it this way . The whole point is to get the data scanned and out on the web where it can begin its reproductive cycle . Like superbugs or teenagers, once introduced into the wild , you cant control the organism . It will reproduce for good folks, as well as weenies , it cant tell the difference . But the net result is it doubling , and your data lives "forever" , and thats the whole point . Getting full credit for your work is nice , but not realistic if you really wantit going viral . And a true conservator does , or it will eventually cease to exist . Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 19 10:36:56 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:36:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] That got me thinkin' References: <6f6025160802160500l7a9496acid97a4387ae0987ba@mail.gmail.com> <011c01c872dc$1c983d90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <005901c87326$67fe9c30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Sometimes I sits and thinks ,but sometimes I just sits . http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=castro+resigns+ Reckon there's any decent sideshafts or the like in Cuba ? Chuck / From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 12:01:12 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:01:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] British Class 7 Engine Patents - Now open In-Reply-To: <011c01c872dc$1c983d90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> References: <6f6025160802160500l7a9496acid97a4387ae0987ba@mail.gmail.com> <011c01c872dc$1c983d90$0201a8c0@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <6f6025160802191201m6118d75cvf0341eb072b38cda@mail.gmail.com> On 19/02/2008, brent wrote: > Peter i am amazed at how much info you have downloaded massive job if you > hadnt copied it would probably be lost forever well done at least this way > it is made available to the public brent > Thanks, Brent. That is just under 1/20th of the total amount that we are going to put up, but it isn't going to happen overnight, we reckon a couple of years at least. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 21 12:29:12 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:29:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Roll'r tag..attn. Jerry Message-ID: Mainly for Jerry in S.A..........the tag arrived in great shape. My friend and I thank you very much for that. I was just wondering how deep you plan on getting into this? Please contact me off list so we can talk payment. I believe you have my email address..if not; Richard underscore Strobel7 at msn.com Take care, RickinMt. PS: Jer, emails not working for me. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 21 13:05:15 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:05:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] More good news Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys & Gals, This year really started off badly for me with lightning strikes, computer problems etc. but it seems like someone is looking after me and things are getting better. Last week it was an old acquaintance offering to sort out the diesel parts on my Witte and today I received an eMail from a total stranger who had visited my website. He had a model steam engine built by his grandfather between 1941 and 1945 and was looking to give it away to someone who would appreciate and look after it and "would I be interested" (Is the Pope a Catholic?). Of course the answer was "Yes". I picked it up tonight and it's beautiful. Appears to be complete and even has a miniature set of spanners (wrenches) with it. It is complete with a display table and glass box type lid. I'd never dreamt of owning a model steam engine - they are just too expensive and are not found under every bush. It needs to be cleaned up and polished and I'm meeting with a friend who is very clued up on Saturday. We will check it all out and decide on what do next then. I've put a few pics here - please have a look: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Feb 21 13:34:53 2008 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:34:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <47BDEE7D.3090502@fidnet.com> Jerry, You're right! It certainly does look like things have taken a turn for the better! That is a really neat steam engine. Maybe you can video it running and send a copy to your donor. Have fun, Gary Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys & Gals, > This year really started off badly for me with lightning strikes, > computer problems etc. but it seems like someone is looking after me and > things are getting better. Last week it was an old acquaintance offering to > sort out the diesel parts on my Witte and today I received an eMail from a > total stranger who had visited my website. > > He had a model steam engine built by his grandfather between 1941 > and 1945 and was looking to give it away to someone who would appreciate > and look after it and "would I be interested" (Is the Pope a Catholic?). Of > course the answer was "Yes". > > I picked it up tonight and it's beautiful. Appears to be complete > and even has a miniature set of spanners (wrenches) with it. It is complete > with a display table and glass box type lid. > > I'd never dreamt of owning a model steam engine - they are just > too expensive and are not found under every bush. > > It needs to be cleaned up and polished and I'm meeting with a > friend who is very clued up on Saturday. We will check it all out and > decide on what do next then. > > I've put a few pics here - please have a look: > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Thu Feb 21 13:53:01 2008 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:53:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More good news References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <00a601c874d4$21472aa0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Real nice!!! How small is it? Denis Rouleau ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Evans To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: [SEL] More good news Hi Guys & Gals, This year really started off badly for me with lightning strikes, computer problems etc. but it seems like someone is looking after me and things are getting better. Last week it was an old acquaintance offering to sort out the diesel parts on my Witte and today I received an eMail from a total stranger who had visited my website. He had a model steam engine built by his grandfather between 1941 and 1945 and was looking to give it away to someone who would appreciate and look after it and "would I be interested" (Is the Pope a Catholic?). Of course the answer was "Yes". I picked it up tonight and it's beautiful. Appears to be complete and even has a miniature set of spanners (wrenches) with it. It is complete with a display table and glass box type lid. I'd never dreamt of owning a model steam engine - they are just too expensive and are not found under every bush. It needs to be cleaned up and polished and I'm meeting with a friend who is very clued up on Saturday. We will check it all out and decide on what do next then. I've put a few pics here - please have a look: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Feb 21 15:36:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:36:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: You are indeed a lucky dog! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 03:05 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] More good news > > > Hi Guys & Gals, .......................snip..................... > > He had a model steam engine built by his > grandfather between 1941 > and 1945 and was looking to give it away to > someone who would appreciate > and look after it and "would I be interested" (Is > the Pope a Catholic?). Of > course the answer was "Yes". ..........................snip....................... > Jerry Evans From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Thu Feb 21 22:18:27 2008 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:18:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] More good news References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <002201c8751a$bceb8410$0200000a@Andy> Hi Jerry. We have a saying here in Australia, "Kissed on the *ick" for any one that picks up some thing really good. It looks like you should get a lot of enjoyment out of it. Andy Nicholson Townsville Qld OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:05 AM Subject: [SEL] More good news > Hi Guys & Gals, > This year really started off badly for me with lightning strikes, > computer problems etc. but it seems like someone is looking after me and > things are getting better. Last week it was an old acquaintance offering > to > sort out the diesel parts on my Witte and today I received an eMail from > a > total stranger who had visited my website. > > He had a model steam engine built by his grandfather between 1941 > and 1945 and was looking to give it away to someone who would appreciate > and look after it and "would I be interested" (Is the Pope a Catholic?). > Of > course the answer was "Yes". > > I picked it up tonight and it's beautiful. Appears to be complete > and even has a miniature set of spanners (wrenches) with it. It is > complete > with a display table and glass box type lid. > > I'd never dreamt of owning a model steam engine - they are just > too expensive and are not found under every bush. > > It needs to be cleaned up and polished and I'm meeting with a > friend who is very clued up on Saturday. We will check it all out and > decide on what do next then. > > I've put a few pics here - please have a look: > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Feb 22 02:01:11 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:01:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Address for engine man Message-ID: <000901c87539$dab30490$0200a8c0@altech> Hi all Does anyone know if Dave Miller of Nebraska has an email address please.? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 22 07:34:59 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:34:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <002201c8751a$bceb8410$0200000a@Andy> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080221224934.00bb3030@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <002201c8751a$bceb8410$0200000a@Andy> Message-ID: <8020DD6A-7BA8-4799-803E-FA3B78165A8C@alltel.net> -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Feb 22, 2008, at 1:18 AM, Andy Nicholson wrote: > Hi Jerry. We have a saying here in Australia, "Kissed on the *ick" > for any > one that picks up some thing really good. > Andy Nicholson Hi Andy, We have a US Senator here in our country who is in a lot of trouble for that sort of thing--problem is he tried to pick up a cop in a public toilet! Dave From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 22 13:41:17 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:41:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080222225709.00ba2e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 22/02/2008, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:53:01 -0500 >From: Denis Rouleau >Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <00a601c874d4$21472aa0$7c6fca18 at YOUR6ACD238E8D> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Real nice!!! How small is it? >Denis Rouleau Hi Denis, Question should read "How big is it ?" (smile) I'll put a dimensioned pic on the page (maybe later tonight) and post to the list but for now here are a few basic sizes (in metric): The wooden base is 570mm (w) X 320mm (d) X 150mm(h). The top of the "smokestack" is 370mm high (excluding the 150 mm (h) wooden base). The flywheel diameter is 150mm (6"). I spent some time last night oiling (aerosol penetrating fluid) all the moving parts as I did not want to try turning anything "over" and possibly forcing something that did not want to be forced :-) Everything is now loose except for the drain tap (valve ?) on the boiler. The whole engine turns very easily now as do all the other "valves". Earlier this evening I removed the bottom of the wooden base and took out the paraffin (kerosene) heating unit. It consists of 2 (linked) heavy brass tubes approx. 390mm long X 55mm diameter. This unit just lies loose in the base and has a "Primus" type burner which locates below the boiler tubes. It is a "homemade" unit and the actual burner unit looks like it was stripped off a "Primus" stove. The 2 tubes replace the "paraffin storage tank" on a normal "Primus" stove and incorporate a "filler tube" and a pressure release jet similar to what was fitted to a "Primus" (or old brass blowlamp). Something that I found to be very innovative was that it did not incorporate the normal "Primus" type pressure pump. Instead, it has a bicycle tube valve brazed into place and would have been pumped to pressure with an ordinary bicycle pump and connection tube. Once I had the base off I also discovered that the flyball governor is driven via a flexible shaft from a gear on the outrigger side of the flywheel. All very sturdily constructed and encased in a brass tube. There are also a few drain cocks hidden in the wooden base. I'll add more pics to the page a bit later tonight and let the lists know. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 22 15:09:14 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:09:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080222225709.00ba2e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080222225709.00ba2e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: > There are also a few drain cocks hidden in the wooden base. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans That's certainly a GREAT "find" Jerry. Can you tell me, please, the difference between a drain cock and a pet cock? Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 22 15:15:41 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:15:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080222231516.LTMJ16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> A drain cock could be found where the water is let out of your property while a pet cock would be found in the house ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- > There are also a few drain cocks hidden in the wooden base. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans That's certainly a GREAT "find" Jerry. Can you tell me, please, the difference between a drain cock and a pet cock? Dave From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Fri Feb 22 15:57:54 2008 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:57:54 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Fw: are you looking for a engine with a tractor attached Message-ID: <007301c875ae$bd81aa50$f301a8c0@armstrong> Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong Subject: are you looking for a engine with a tractor attached any one in need of an engine look at http://www.kruse.com/auctions/nebraska08/index.asp and click on brochure it is a big day out auction Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 22 16:18:31 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:18:31 +0200 Subject: [SEL] More good news/Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223014022.00b9ab00@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I just updated the page on the steam engine with more detailed pics and also showing some dimensions. Last night I oiled and cleaned all the moving parts and it is now all loose and turning freely (not that it was stuck but I just thought that it would be best to lubricate everything and get it running smoothly without applying any force - us South Africans do seem to have the habit of using brawn before brain :-)). I took the bottom plate off the box today and removed the burner and inspected the flexible drive to the flyball governor. Also managed to work out how the pump system for adding water to the boiler works. This engine seems very well designed and looks like it will run with minimum attention for quite a long time with it's water pump that refills the boiler as it's running. There are still quite a few parts that I do not know anything about (yet) but I'm meeting with a friend tomorrow who is a steam "fundi" so do expect that I will learn a lot. For the sake of people who looked at the page yesterday - the links (thumbnails) that have just been added or updated are those with a green background. Not that I would ever sell it but how about some estimates as to the value of something like this. I searched eBay last night and although there are many steam models on offer, they are mostly commercially produced and I never saw anything as intricate or detailed as this one. It would be nice to have some idea of value. P.S. I know these lists are primarily concerned with Internal Combustion engines and hope that you don't mind me posting about a model steam engine. It is, after all, a "Stationary Engine" or "Old Engine" and sure beats discussing beetles and stick bugs (Yes, I know that I started that thread - bummer). Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Feb 22 18:02:39 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:02:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <20080222231516.LTMJ16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Patrick: In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 05:16 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > > > A drain cock could be found where the water is > let out of your property > while a pet cock would be found in the house ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > -----Original Message----- > > > > There are also a few drain cocks hidden in the > wooden base. > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > That's certainly a GREAT "find" Jerry. Can you > tell me, please, the > difference between a drain cock and a pet cock? > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alharris44 at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 17:21:25 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:21:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47BF7515.4040208@gmail.com> Not just an ordinary chicken Elden. A doodle. Cackle, cackle, Al Elden DuRand wrote: > Patrick: > > In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. > > Take care - Elden > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Patrick M >> Livingstone >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 05:16 PM >> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >> Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news >> >> >> A drain cock could be found where the water is >> let out of your property >> while a pet cock would be found in the house ;) >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >>> There are also a few drain cocks hidden in the >> wooden base. >>> Keep the revs up (or down) >>> Jerry Evans >> That's certainly a GREAT "find" Jerry. Can you >> tell me, please, the >> difference between a drain cock and a pet cock? >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Feb 22 19:00:49 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:00:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <47BF7515.4040208@gmail.com> Message-ID: How do he do dat? Nyuk, nyuk! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 07:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > > > Not just an ordinary chicken Elden. A doodle. > > Cackle, cackle, > Al > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > Patrick: > > > > In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of > the ordinary chicken. > > > > Take care - Elden From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 22 18:03:11 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:03:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] kinematic model collections References: <007301c875ae$bd81aa50$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <000a01c875c0$3ede5d30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Lots and lots of models http://kmoddl.library.cornell.edu/index.php Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From alharris44 at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 18:23:13 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:23:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47BF8391.3040500@gmail.com> Just by struttin' his stuff. A cock, a doodle do. Cluk, cluk, Al Elden DuRand wrote: > How do he do dat? > > Nyuk, nyuk! > > Take care - Elden > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Al Harris >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 07:21 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news >> >> >> Not just an ordinary chicken Elden. A doodle. >> >> Cackle, cackle, >> Al >> >> Elden DuRand wrote: >>> Patrick: >>> >>> In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of >> the ordinary chicken. >>> Take care - Elden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 22 22:29:09 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:29:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I think that was the whole joke???? ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Patrick: In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. Take care - Elden From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 23 04:58:20 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After that it's pretty much a drain cock! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:29 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I think that was the whole joke???? ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > -----Original Message----- > > Patrick: > > In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. > > Take care - Elden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Feb 23 08:10:49 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:10:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> Message-ID: Goodern, Dave! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 06:58 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > > > On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until > the age of 70. After > that it's pretty much a drain cock! > Dave From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Feb 23 08:10:49 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:10:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Pretty lame, too - eh? Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:29 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > > > I think that was the whole joke???? ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > -----Original Message----- > > Patrick: > > In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of > the ordinary chicken. > > Take care - Elden From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Feb 23 15:22:29 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:22:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20080223202230.06E71229CEF@md5.pennswoods.net> Dave is that a good pet cock. R Fink At 07:58 AM 2/23/2008 -0500, you wrote: >On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After >that it's pretty much a drain cock! > Dave > > >-------- >David Rotigel >rotigel at alltel.net > > > >On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:29 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > > I think that was the whole joke???? ;) > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Patrick: > > > > In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. > > > > Take care - Elden > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1294 - Release Date: >2/22/2008 6:39 PM > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1294 - Release Date: >2/22/2008 6:39 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1294 - Release Date: 2/22/2008 6:39 PM From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Feb 23 12:52:09 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:52:09 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223224453.00b99680@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, In June 2007 I wrote to the lists about a 22/24 H.P. Fielding and Platt Oil Engine that my friend Neville Botha had started restoring. Well he's finished and we had the "Start Up" today. I've put pics and a video (3.7 Mbytes) on my site here: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From rdi at rochester.rr.com Sat Feb 23 12:57:33 2008 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:57:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: are you looking for a engine with a tractor Message-ID: <000a01c8765e$b82fe890$0201a8c0@marlin> >any one in need of an engine look at >http://www.kruse.com/auctions/nebraska08/index.asp and click on brochure Wow! I've never seen so many tractors one spot. Didn't this person know that you can put more gas in the tractor when it runs out? :-) -Rick From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Feb 23 14:16:38 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:16:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223224453.00b99680@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Send my congratulations to Neville! Good video! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 02:52 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update > > > Hi All, > In June 2007 I wrote to the lists about > a 22/24 H.P. Fielding and > Platt Oil Engine that my friend Neville Botha had > started restoring. > > Well he's finished and we had the "Start > Up" today. > > I've put pics and a video (3.7 Mbytes) on my site here: > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Feb 23 13:22:45 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:22:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More good news Message-ID: <20080223.162747.1484.1.jlb94@juno.com> On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After that it's pretty much a drain cock! = = = = = = ROFLMAO !!! ;-) Great !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " A lot of people who itch for success (_o_) never want to scratch for it." From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 23 13:35:11 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:35:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223224453.00b99680@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223224453.00b99680@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <1203802511.47c0918fd07de@webmail.city-net.com> Wow! What a beautiful engine and what a wonderful sound. A big WELL DONE to the crew! See ya, Arnie Quoting Jerry Evans : > In June 2007 I wrote to the lists about a 22/24 H.P. Fielding and > Platt Oil Engine that my friend Neville Botha had started restoring. > > Well he's finished and we had the "Start Up" today. > I've put pics and a video (3.7 Mbytes) on my site here: > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 23 14:10:20 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:10:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update References: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223224453.00b99680@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1203802511.47c0918fd07de@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001a01c87668$e1b1c760$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> And they're all barefoot ! Bravo Chuck > Wow! What a beautiful engine and what a wonderful sound. A big WELL DONE > to > the crew! > > See ya, Arnie From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 15:20:06 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:20:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223225213.00ba44a0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <997795.22482.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jerry, Thanks a bunch. The only problem is that video is too short. 8>)) Monday morning is my birthday and I have way too much stuff to do in the afternoon. Seeing that video makes me want to take a pail of hot water out to my engine shed first thing in the morning and fire up an engine. Maybe I will spend a few morning hours out there melting lead wheel weights into clean ignots listening to a H&M Hercules. I still have about 125 pounds of weights to clean. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > In June 2007 I wrote to the lists about a 22/24 H.P. Fielding and > Platt Oil Engine that my friend Neville Botha had started restoring. > > Well he's finished and we had the "Start Up" today. > > I've put pics and a video (3.7 Mbytes) on my site here: > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Feb 23 15:56:12 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:56:12 +0900 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47C0B29C.2080004@optusnet.com.au> Elden DuRand wrote: > Pretty lame, too - eh? > > Take care - Elden === Rather limp, I thought . . . JW? === From johnculp at btes.tv Sat Feb 23 18:52:23 2008 From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:52:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> Message-ID: That was truly inspired, Dave! :-D (Or else the voice of experience.) John On Feb 23, 2008, at 7:58 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After > that it's pretty much a drain cock! > Dave John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Feb 23 19:45:17 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:45:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20080223224453.00b99680@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <002b01c87697$ac4c25f0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Hi Jerry Thanks for posting this: the video is great! I can't imagine working in the shop with no shoes (must me a SA thing). I do a lot of machine work so my shop floor is usually covered with little sharp curly things. We are still getting snow here in Idaho; it won't be to long now and the weather will start getting nice. Best Regards, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:52 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update > > Hi All, > In June 2007 I wrote to the lists about a 22/24 H.P. Fielding and > Platt Oil Engine that my friend Neville Botha had started restoring. > > Well he's finished and we had the "Start Up" today. > > I've put pics and a video (3.7 Mbytes) on my site here: > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ NOD32 2898 (20080223) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Feb 23 23:50:51 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:50:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> Message-ID: <008801c876be$149063d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Sadly, I have to agree with you on this! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After > that it's pretty much a drain cock! > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:29 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> I think that was the whole joke???? ;) >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Patrick: >> >> In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. >> >> Take care - Elden >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From alharris44 at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 00:37:30 2008 From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:37:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: <008801c876be$149063d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> <008801c876be$149063d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <47C12CCA.6090703@gmail.com> Excuse me! Is that Reg, or Marg? Al R & M Ingold wrote: > Sadly, I have to agree with you on this! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:58 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > > >> On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After >> that it's pretty much a drain cock! >> Dave >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:29 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> >>> I think that was the whole joke???? ;) >>> >>> Patrick M Livingstone >>> Leichhardt NSW >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> Patrick: >>> >>> In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. >>> >>> Take care - Elden >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Feb 24 01:37:46 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:37:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More good news References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net><008801c876be$149063d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <47C12CCA.6090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <012201c876c8$f208aa10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Er, It Is actually Reg!! Sad to have to admit, but........ Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news > Excuse me! > > Is that Reg, or Marg? > > Al > > R & M Ingold wrote: >> Sadly, I have to agree with you on this! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] More good news >> >> >>> On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After >>> that it's pretty much a drain cock! >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> -------- >>> David Rotigel >>> rotigel at alltel.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:29 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >>> >>>> I think that was the whole joke???? ;) >>>> >>>> Patrick M Livingstone >>>> Leichhardt NSW >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> Patrick: >>>> >>>> In the Colonies, a cock is the male version of the ordinary chicken. >>>> >>>> Take care - Elden >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Feb 24 07:16:42 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:16:42 EST Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update Message-ID: In a message dated 2/23/2008 10:48:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, ddotto at cableone.net writes: I can't imagine working in the shop with no shoes (must me a SA thing). Dave, That "shop" looks more like a museum than a shop. Things on shelves/floor are just too neat! Great restoration job to a nice engine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Feb 24 09:54:27 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:54:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 22/24 H.P. Fielding & Platt Update/barefoot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080224194522.00ba2a90@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 24/02/2008, you wrote: >Message: 11 >Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:45:17 -0700 >From: "Dave Otto" >Hi Jerry >Thanks for posting this: the video is great! I can't imagine working in the >shop with no shoes (must me a SA thing). I do a lot of machine work so my >shop floor is usually covered with little sharp curly things. >We are still getting snow here in Idaho; it won't be to long now and the >weather will start getting nice. >Best Regards, Dave >Dave Otto >Boise, Idaho Hi Dave, I already replied to this on the Oldengine list but for those who do not belong to it, heres the same reply: Neville loves to go barefoot but don't worry about "little sharp curly things" on the floor. Thats his showroom/museum - not workshop - the floor is so spotless you could eat off it :-) (that's NOT another South African thing !! :-) I must add that his workshop is almost as clean but you are likely to find the odd curly thing on the floor there but only for a few minutes after he's used the lathe or drill press - thereafter it is swept up. P.S. Chuck, we were not ALL barefoot, just Neville but I must admit that I also usually go barefoot in my shop and office in summer - it's just so comfortable (and no smelly socks) :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Feb 24 10:06:58 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:06:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] More good news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20080224195932.00baa6b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 23/02/2008, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0500 >From: David Rotigel >On this side of the pond it's a pet cock until the age of 70. After >that it's pretty much a drain cock! > Dave Good one Dave, But, one way or another it does not matter what you call your cock - just don't "Pet" it too much or it will "Drain" you and you'll get hair growing in the palm of your hand :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 24 13:54:55 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:54:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] more good news....now OT! Message-ID: <000901c8772f$e9276320$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> This subject has without a doubt is now in the category of OT! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sun Feb 24 14:12:17 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:12:17 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Express Message-ID: <000c01c87732$53a791a0$0f0b6e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guys, The old iron express finally trunddled in to Scotland yesterday almost six months to the day since I handed my purchases at Portland over for shipping home. I must say that it was a good feeling unloading them in my shop last night, ( a few celebratory beers were had once the manual work was done ) the feeling was even better this morning when I had hoth of them running. I would also be obliged if anyone could help me with the correct paint colour or code for paint for a Waterloo boy air cooled. Thanks, Craig in Scotland From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Feb 24 17:27:32 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:27:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Express In-Reply-To: <000c01c87732$53a791a0$0f0b6e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <000c01c87732$53a791a0$0f0b6e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: On Feb 24, 2008, at 2:12 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Guys, > The old iron express finally trunddled in to Scotland > yesterday almost six months to the day since I handed my purchases > at Portland over for shipping home. I must say that it was a good > feeling unloading them in my shop last night, ( a few celebratory > beers were had once the manual work was done ) the feeling was even > better this morning when I had hoth of them running. > I would also be obliged if anyone could help me with the correct > paint colour or code for paint for a Waterloo boy air cooled. All of the Yanks are shedding a tear for the irreplaceable industrial heritage which was so savagely raped and pillaged by the Scotch Pirate. . . .. ... .... ..... ...... ....... ...... ..... .... ... ... .. . . So Blackbeard, You comin' back for another shipload this year? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 25 06:36:04 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:36:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] More good news References: <20080223062843.SHEG8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><8C380BCA-B10A-430A-B427-1AC01F5E75E1@alltel.net> Message-ID: <006101c877bb$c0570fe0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Did you see em smack the grin off Enzyte Bob to the tune of $100 mill ? > That was truly inspired, Dave! :-D > > (Or else the voice of experience.) > > John > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 26 06:26:24 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:26:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron Message-ID: Howdy all; Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast iron....like a flux of some sort? I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the mounting hardware was "leaded in." Thanks much!! RickinMt. PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. From svsuzanne at copper.net Tue Feb 26 07:04:58 2008 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:04:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An acid based flux is required. The biggest problem might be getting the cast hot enough. I would probably use 50/50. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > Howdy all; > Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the > mounting hardware was "leaded in." > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. > > PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank > Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: > 269.20.9/1291 - Release Date: 2/21/2008 11:05 AM > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 26 07:15:13 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:15:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] USS Arkansas Feb.26 , 1945 References: Message-ID: <000401c8788a$62d9ccc0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> 0225-Jap planes are on their way in-flew by us at 8,000 yds.-we held fire 0600-GQ 0900-We are just keeping at watch on the island. 1200-You can see the "See-Bees" working on the #1 airfield. 1400-Jap planes are back. 1500-Our fighters reports 7 Japs out of 7- our lose 0 1900-The Tokyo Express is out again. They are catching it from our fighters. Note-The Japs are using suicide planes on our ships.They crash head on to any ship they can hit.As yet we are lucky as hell-Why we stay here is now beyond me.Today our Marines are on #2 airfield.Our planes really worked over the island.We did not shoot today. From svsuzanne at copper.net Tue Feb 26 07:04:58 2008 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:04:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A204A7B20EF4487AF46C5252D23D07B@DanPC> An acid based flux is required. The biggest problem might be getting the cast hot enough. I would probably use 50/50. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > Howdy all; > Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the > mounting hardware was "leaded in." > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. > > PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank > Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: > 269.20.9/1291 - Release Date: 2/21/2008 11:05 AM > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Feb 26 08:18:25 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:18:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: You need to get some acid flux to get the solder to adhere to cast iron. Clean the area 'til you are down to clean metal then apply the flux and heat the part until the lead will melt against the cast. Then you should see the lead flow. More flux may be necessary after heating. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 08:26 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > > > Howdy all; > Is there something special about getting lead > to stick to cast > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly > large crank and the mounting > hardware was "leaded in." > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue Feb 26 07:30:46 2008 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:30:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47C430A6.7010801@xplornet.com> Hello Rick, I think lead is normally sized to fit the hole and then swelled with a hammer and punch to lock it into place. Hard to get lead to stick to the graphite content in cast iron. Rupert Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the mounting > hardware was "leaded in." > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. > > PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank > Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From jbcast at charter.net Tue Feb 26 07:37:54 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 7:37:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09> There was a process for repairing freeze damaged cast iron, involved heating and rubbing copper on the cast until it had a copper color, then it could be soldered. J.B. Castagnos From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Feb 26 08:01:14 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:01:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: Message-ID: <005c01c87890$d0f4ff80$0202a8c0@Ed> Hi Rick, I had some soldering acid once that was loaded with copper. When I put it on sheet iron, it left a copper coating. If you try this, let me know if it works. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > Howdy all; > Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the > mounting hardware was "leaded in." > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. > > PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank > Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Feb 26 15:14:16 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:14:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080226201421.830B2229A60@md5.pennswoods.net> Rick i don't know if this would work but may try thinners acid. I have found it to fix any problem area i have run into. R Fink At 10:18 AM 2/26/2008 -0600, you wrote: >Rick: > >You need to get some acid flux to get the solder to adhere to cast >iron. Clean the area 'til you are down to clean metal then apply >the flux and heat the part until the lead will melt against the >cast. Then you should see the lead flow. More flux may be >necessary after heating. > >Take care - Elden > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard > > Strobel > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 08:26 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > > > > > > > Howdy all; > > Is there something special about getting lead > > to stick to cast > > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly > > large crank and the mounting > > hardware was "leaded in." > > > > Thanks much!! > > > > RickinMt. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >2/25/2008 9:22 AM > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >2/25/2008 9:22 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: 2/25/2008 9:22 AM From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 26 13:46:06 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:46:06 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: <005c01c87890$d0f4ff80$0202a8c0@Ed> References: <005c01c87890$d0f4ff80$0202a8c0@Ed> Message-ID: <47C4889E.7050509@optusnet.com.au> Howdy Rick. I've never tried to stick lead to cast iron, but I have done plenty of re-metalling (babbit) bearings in cast-iron. Would this be much different? I would clean the casting, heat it up plenty, and "tin" it with ordinary solder. (Thin coating of solder) Tin it using zinc chloride for flux ("Bakers Soldering Fluid" over here), otherwise make your own "killed spirits" - Hydrochloric acid (HcL) into which sufficient pieces of zinc have been added until it stops fizzing. Once tinned with solder, I'd expect the lead to "stick". BTW, if it only "sticks", you've failed. It has to bond intermolacularly. Hope this helps. JW? === > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:26 AM > Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > >> Howdy all; >> Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast >> iron....like a flux of some sort? >> >> I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the >> mounting hardware was "leaded in." >> >> Thanks much!! >> >> RickinMt. >> >> PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank >> Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 26 13:48:06 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:48:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: Message-ID: <001301c878c1$49da3e80$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Richard .....JB Castagnos is correct ,the surface of the Cast Iron needs to be etched with a Copper solution . A solution containing Copper salts will do it . Use a 50 /50 Tin /Lead solder with Borax or Sal ammoniac as a flux. If they are fly wheel weight I would be using the suggestion that someone made of peining them into position. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > Howdy all; > Is there something special about getting lead to stick to cast > iron....like a flux of some sort? > > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly large crank and the > mounting hardware was "leaded in." > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. > > PS: The counterweights had to be removed in order to fit in the Crank > Doc's machine where the rod throw will be cleaned up. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 26 14:17:25 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:17:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Beilers auction Message-ID: Any list members going to Beilers auction sale this weekend? http://www.rvfd58.com/pages/special_auction1.htm I am working down in New Holland PA this week and Friday is a day off. I will probably check things out and eat lunch there if nothing else. Ed Herreid _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From rex002 at centurytel.net Tue Feb 26 16:37:19 2008 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:37:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <200802262019.m1QKJ1tx027030@mail946c35.nsolutionszone.com> Message-ID: <001a01c878d8$ea2d8560$6400a8c0@home> I too am very interested in this topic , I have a carb that needs a copper/brass suction tube soldered to cast Iron , I have tried every thing to make it stick with no success , acid , rosin , and grinding to shinny cast , Just can't make lead stick , never tried the copper but it makes sense . where can a fellow get the copper salts needed ? Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >> > Howdy all; >> > Is there something special about getting lead >> > to stick to cast >> > iron....like a flux of some sort? >> > >> > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly >> > large crank and the mounting >> > hardware was "leaded in." >> > >> > Thanks much!! >> > >> > RickinMt. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >>2/25/2008 9:22 AM >> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >>2/25/2008 9:22 AM > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: 2/25/2008 > 9:22 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 26 19:19:52 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:19:52 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <200802262019.m1QKJ1tx027030@mail946c35.nsolutionszone.com> <001a01c878d8$ea2d8560$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <000701c878ef$a2558690$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Rex for your purpose Copper Nitrate painted onto the cleaned surface should be OK.Again use the Sal ammoniac or Borax as a flux when you do the soldering. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron >I too am very interested in this topic , I have a carb that needs a > copper/brass suction tube soldered to cast Iron , I have tried every thing > to make it stick with no success , acid , rosin , and grinding to shinny > cast , Just can't make lead stick , never tried the copper but it makes > sense . where can a fellow get the copper salts needed ? > > Rex Hinz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Fink Sr" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> > >> > Howdy all; >>> > Is there something special about getting lead >>> > to stick to cast >>> > iron....like a flux of some sort? >>> > >>> > I've removed the counterweights off a fairly >>> > large crank and the mounting >>> > hardware was "leaded in." >>> > >>> > Thanks much!! >>> > >>> > RickinMt. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >>>2/25/2008 9:22 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >>>2/25/2008 9:22 AM >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: >> 2/25/2008 >> 9:22 AM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Feb 26 21:16:01 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:16:01 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> I have a suspicion that a solution of copper sulphate who have the same effect if it were coated onto the cast i think i read it somewhere may be worth a try. brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > There was a process for repairing freeze damaged cast iron, involved heating and rubbing copper on the cast until it had a copper color, then it could be soldered. > J.B. Castagnos > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1292 - Release Date: 2/21/2008 4:09 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Feb 27 03:13:26 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:13:26 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09> <002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> I found the reference i was looking for in an old book i have it was written when steam was the main form of transport it says to copper the surface of iron, steel or iron wire have the article perfectly clean then wash with the following solution and it at once presents a coppered surface rain water 3lbs sulphate of copper 1lb or simplified a 3:1 mix of water to copper sulphate once the suraface is coppered it should give the solder and copper something to stick to brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "brent" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > I have a suspicion that a solution of copper sulphate who have the same > effect if it were coated onto the cast i think i read it somewhere may be > worth a try. brentnz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:37 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > > > > > There was a process for repairing freeze damaged cast iron, involved > heating and rubbing copper on the cast until it had a copper color, then it > could be soldered. > > J.B. Castagnos > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1292 - Release Date: 2/21/2008 > 4:09 PM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1300 - Release Date: 2/26/2008 7:50 PM > > From eallandar at rohrerbus.com Wed Feb 27 05:10:19 2008 From: eallandar at rohrerbus.com (Ed Allandar) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:10:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Beilers auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004c01c87942$1af845e0$84e8c64b@Rohrer.lcl> I'm pretty much a list lurker but I hope to be there all day Friday. Ed Allandar Service & Parts The Rohrer Companies P.O. Box 100 - 1515 State Road Duncannon, PA 17020 717.957.5114 717.418.4401 (c) 1-800-735-6700 x223 www.rohrerbus.com www.rohrerbussales.com eallandar at rohrerbus.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Herreid Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:17 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Beilers auction Any list members going to Beilers auction sale this weekend? http://www.rvfd58.com/pages/special_auction1.htm I am working down in New Holland PA this week and Friday is a day off. I will probably check things out and eat lunch there if nothing else. Ed Herreid _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 27 10:04:52 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:04:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080227200313.00b96da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > Re: Sticking lead to cast iron Very Interesting thread - thanks guys. This one gets saved. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 27 09:45:57 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:45:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> <01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: Hey thanks guys!!! Lots of great ideas on and off list. Sure 'preciate it. Rick From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Feb 27 09:38:09 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:38:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, Need UK help References: <200802262019.m1QKJ1tx027030@mail946c35.nsolutionszone.com><001a01c878d8$ea2d8560$6400a8c0@home> <000701c878ef$a2558690$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004b01c87967$84f15520$0202a8c0@Ed> I have an internet friend, Alan in Newcastle, North East England UK who needs a Solid State Ignition module for his lawn mower. The Tecumseh part number is 34443 . Might one of you old iron men know where to find junk lawn mowers? or a place to get parts? Thanks, Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 10:34:25 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:34:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT, Need UK help In-Reply-To: <004b01c87967$84f15520$0202a8c0@Ed> References: <200802262019.m1QKJ1tx027030@mail946c35.nsolutionszone.com> <001a01c878d8$ea2d8560$6400a8c0@home> <000701c878ef$a2558690$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <004b01c87967$84f15520$0202a8c0@Ed> Message-ID: <6f6025160802271034l703e194ei2ef4f71dc6eb4bc9@mail.gmail.com> On 27/02/2008, Ed stoller wrote: > I have an internet friend, Alan in Newcastle, North East England UK who > needs a Solid State Ignition module for his lawn mower. The Tecumseh part > number is 34443 . Might one of you old iron men know where to find junk lawn > mowers? or a place to get parts? > > Thanks, > Ed Stoller I can ask our ride-on mower guy tomorrow, it's way past closing time here in the UK.... I'll be up his way on Monday, so 'might' be able to get something organised, but Tecumseh is not as prevalent in the UK as in the USA, it was owned by Rockwell for a time. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From JR504 at aol.com Wed Feb 27 10:48:11 2008 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:48:11 EST Subject: [SEL] OT, Need UK help Message-ID: Ed, There is a very large lawnmower repair shop down the road from me. Has has plenty of new and used parts for sale. Unfortunately right now most of his older used parts are under 5 feet of snow...will probably be 7 feet by the weekend. He is likely to have something. Let me know exactly what you're after. Joe Rappa Mexico, NY "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" Henry Ford **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Feb 27 11:29:58 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:29:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, Need UK help References: Message-ID: <008b01c87977$23dfd580$0202a8c0@Ed> Thanks Joe, I have the parts he needs, but I think he would be better off getting them locally in the UK. Peter Forbs has picked up the ball and is physically near by. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, Need UK help > Ed, > There is a very large lawnmower repair shop down the road from me. Has > has > plenty of new and used parts for sale. Unfortunately right now most of > his > older used parts are under 5 feet of snow...will probably be 7 feet by > the > weekend. He is likely to have something. Let me know exactly what > you're after. > Joe Rappa > Mexico, NY > > "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do" > Henry Ford > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 14:23:58 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:23:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT, Need UK help In-Reply-To: <004b01c87967$84f15520$0202a8c0@Ed> References: <200802262019.m1QKJ1tx027030@mail946c35.nsolutionszone.com> <001a01c878d8$ea2d8560$6400a8c0@home> <000701c878ef$a2558690$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <004b01c87967$84f15520$0202a8c0@Ed> Message-ID: <6f6025160802271423t7970784co141de407f17e4cc2@mail.gmail.com> On 27/02/2008, Ed stoller wrote: > I have an internet friend, Alan in Newcastle, North East England UK who > needs a Solid State Ignition module for his lawn mower. The Tecumseh part > number is 34443 . Might one of you old iron men know where to find junk lawn > mowers? or a place to get parts? > > Thanks, > Ed Stoller Here's a dealer in Newcastle-on-Tyne: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gustharts Chainsaw Centre - Contact: Robert Gusthart Milk Hope Centre Blagdon Seaton Burn Newcastle upon Tyne NE13 6DA Tel.: 01670 789701 Opening Hours - Mon.: 0730-1700 hrs Fax: 01670 789002 Tue.: 0730-1700 hrs Email: sales at gustharts.co.uk Wed.: 0730-1700 hrs Website: www.gustharts.co.uk Thu.: 0730-1700 hrs Collection & Delivery: Y Fri.: 0730-1700 hrs Parking: Y Sat.: 0830-1500 hrs Sun.: CLOSED +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tecumseh UK: http://www.tecumsehuk.co.uk/ Tecumseh Power International Ltd., 152 / 154 Commercial Road, Staines, Middlesex. TW18 2QP Tel: 01784-460684 Fax: 01784-453563 Parts list: www.tecumsehuk.co.uk/pdf/plist04.pdf Note that the part you asked about now has a 'C' at the end: 34443 and is listed in the 2004 parts catalogue. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Feb 27 23:29:23 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:29:23 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> Message-ID: <000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Richard ...a little more to help you. A coppering solution............... To four ounces of distilled water add Copper Sulphate [ Blue Vitriol]. I am sorry but my recipe does not say how much ,you may have to experiment. Add 10 drops of Sulphuric Acid.Wipe the solution on to a grease free surface , [the cast iron].If you do not get a bright copper surface scour the surface with fine emery and add four or five more drops of the solution. You should then have a good surface to tin for your solder application to the cast iron. This recipe is one of many from a very old Machinists Book .It's prime purpose was to provide a easily seen surface when marking out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > Hey thanks guys!!! Lots of great ideas on and off list. > > Sure 'preciate it. > Rick > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 28 06:47:35 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:47:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> <000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Ok great Peter. I think we've seen both hydrochloric and suphuric acid used here. I would imagine the intent is to clean and leave a nice etched surface. Now I need to find the Copper Sulfate. I'm not fixing a crack or anything like that. Just adding weight to the crank counterweights that was melted out in order to get to the attaching hardware. I'd sure like to know how one balances an engine especially with the big flywheel belt pulleys. Seems I remember a gizmo that went on a vehicle wheel in the same area as the lead weights. It was a circular tube with many ball bearings in it and they would automatically balance the wheel and tire. Anyone else remember that gizmo and did it work? White stuff almost gone...crankup soon...whooopeeee. Rick > Richard ...a little more to help you. > A coppering solution............... > To four ounces of distilled water add Copper Sulphate [ Blue Vitriol]. I > am > sorry but my recipe does not say how much ,you may have to experiment. Add > 10 drops of Sulphuric Acid.Wipe the solution on to a grease free surface , > [the cast iron].If you do not get a bright copper surface scour the > surface > with fine emery and add four or five more drops of the solution. You > should > then have a good surface to tin for your solder application to the cast > iron. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 28 07:29:19 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:29:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> <000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000801c87a1e$b031a430$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > A coppering solution............... > To four ounces of distilled water add Copper Sulphate [ Blue Vitriol]. > >>> Vitriol there is no shortage of LOL , will that interchange with the copper sulfate for aquarium ich ? (malachite blue) You can buy that stuff everywhere . I have used the torch / copper tubing tinning trick for cracks and that works really good . As stated , getting the whole part hot enough to melt the solder is the real trick . You can turn an entire water jacket into a blast furnace with a little compressed air and some kero on a "wick" . Took a little fiddling to figure that one out . . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 28 08:21:57 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:21:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe> <000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <59846.168.215.206.73.1204215717.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> > Ok great Peter. I think we've seen both hydrochloric and suphuric acid > used > here. I would imagine the intent is to clean and leave a nice etched > surface. Now I need to find the Copper Sulfate. > Rick Rick, If you don't find any on your side of the great plains let me know as that is one of the chemical we make over in skunk works (the chemcical plant). I could send you some. FWIW I had good luck tinning and bonding the Babbitt to cast parts using the tinning flux. Instead of lead to hold your weights in place could you use the Babbitt tinning flux and just pour Babbitt instead? I'm curious, why the need to assure tinning? Doesn't the white metal simply occupy space to lock the parts together taking advantage of negative draft? Certainly the OEM didn't rely on tinning to assure the parts stayed together? You've got my curiosity going on this. Could you post a few pictures? Curt Holland From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 28 11:17:43 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:17:43 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080228210200.00ba1e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 28/02/2008, you wrote: >From: "Richard Strobel" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > >Ok great Peter. I think we've seen both hydrochloric and suphuric acid used >here. I would imagine the intent is to clean and leave a nice etched >surface. Now I need to find the Copper Sulfate. Hi All, Copper Sulfate - Copper Sulphate - different spelling - are they the same thing (and it's just the Yanks who cant spell (just a joke) ? As a kid my Dad used Copper Sulphate in animal dips I think. It was also called "Bluestone" and came in bags - it was chips or crystals of a semi transparent bright blue colour. Are we talking about the same thing? Again, as a kid there were rumours (or Old Wives Tales) that the army (and boys boarding schools) added it to the mens/boys coffee as it was reputed to control those "urges" that us men are prone to. It was reputed to cause "Coopers Droop". I have no idea if there was any truth in this or not! I see this as rapidly developing into another "off topic" discussion :-) - apologies. Daleside Home for Wayward Girls and Wanton Women, If you're "a wantin" we're "a givin" Chief Interviewer - Jerry Evans From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Feb 28 11:56:54 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:56:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, Need UK help References: <200802262019.m1QKJ1tx027030@mail946c35.nsolutionszone.com><001a01c878d8$ea2d8560$6400a8c0@home><000701c878ef$a2558690$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><004b01c87967$84f15520$0202a8c0@Ed> <6f6025160802271423t7970784co141de407f17e4cc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009401c87a44$11a0e120$0202a8c0@Ed> Hi Ed, Thank you so much for taking the time to try and help me. You wouldn't believe that the place you suggested is about 5 miles away. I will use that as the last resort as I am not completely sure that is the problem. (Being a Capricorn). The cost will be ?34 + VAT . This will be about 80 dollars. I would prefer to hold out for a second hand one, and will wait until the lawn is around knee level or I get pressure from HID. (her in doors) to get it cut!! But if I get stuck I may take you up on your offer. I suppose it will cost about 10 dollars for postage, so 20 dollars for a working lawnmower is not to bad, Take care my friend, Regards, Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, Need UK help > On 27/02/2008, Ed stoller wrote: >> I have an internet friend, Alan in Newcastle, North East England UK >> who >> needs a Solid State Ignition module for his lawn mower. The Tecumseh >> part >> number is 34443 . Might one of you old iron men know where to find junk >> lawn >> mowers? or a place to get parts? >> >> Thanks, >> Ed Stoller > > Here's a dealer in Newcastle-on-Tyne: > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Gustharts Chainsaw Centre - Contact: Robert Gusthart > Milk Hope Centre > Blagdon > Seaton Burn > Newcastle upon Tyne > NE13 6DA > > Tel.: 01670 789701 Opening Hours - Mon.: 0730-1700 hrs > Fax: 01670 789002 Tue.: 0730-1700 hrs > Email: sales at gustharts.co.uk Wed.: 0730-1700 hrs > Website: www.gustharts.co.uk Thu.: 0730-1700 hrs > Collection & Delivery: Y Fri.: 0730-1700 hrs > Parking: Y Sat.: 0830-1500 hrs > Sun.: CLOSED > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Tecumseh UK: > > http://www.tecumsehuk.co.uk/ > > Tecumseh Power International Ltd., > 152 / 154 Commercial Road, > Staines, Middlesex. > TW18 2QP > Tel: 01784-460684 > Fax: 01784-453563 > > Parts list: > > www.tecumsehuk.co.uk/pdf/plist04.pdf > > Note that the part you asked about now has a 'C' at the end: 34443 > and is listed in the 2004 parts catalogue. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Feb 28 11:30:30 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:30:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed> Rick, Why don't you try to take a little acid and dissolve some copper wire in it, then apply to the cast iron to see if the copper will transfer to the iron. Maybe John Culp could help us here. In talking to my wife ( of 11 months now), her father would dissolve zinc shavings in acid and then use that solution to tin sheet metal. You may just have some old pot metal laying around for the zinc. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > Ok great Peter. I think we've seen both hydrochloric and suphuric acid > used here. I would imagine the intent is to clean and leave a nice etched > surface. Now I need to find the Copper Sulfate. > > I'm not fixing a crack or anything like that. Just adding weight to the > crank counterweights that was melted out in order to get to the attaching > hardware. I'd sure like to know how one balances an engine especially > with the big flywheel belt pulleys. Seems I remember a gizmo that went on > a vehicle wheel in the same area as the lead weights. It was a circular > tube with many ball bearings in it and they would automatically balance > the wheel and tire. Anyone else remember that gizmo and did it work? > > White stuff almost gone...crankup soon...whooopeeee. > > Rick > > > > > > >> Richard ...a little more to help you. >> A coppering solution............... >> To four ounces of distilled water add Copper Sulphate [ Blue Vitriol]. I >> am >> sorry but my recipe does not say how much ,you may have to experiment. >> Add >> 10 drops of Sulphuric Acid.Wipe the solution on to a grease free surface >> , >> [the cast iron].If you do not get a bright copper surface scour the >> surface >> with fine emery and add four or five more drops of the solution. You >> should >> then have a good surface to tin for your solder application to the cast >> iron. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 28 12:55:13 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:55:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: <001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed> References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Ed, The US Penny from 1982 and newer is 97.5% zinc core with 2.5% copper plating. So if you need some zinc look in your change ;-) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed stoller You may just have some old pot metal laying around for the zinc. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jdragoset at galvotec.com Thu Feb 28 13:50:13 2008 From: jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:50:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080228210200.00ba1e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Rick, If you can't find copper sulfate anywhere else, go to any pipeline field office and ask to see the "corrosion guy". He will have whatever small amount this job would need. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Evans [mailto:jerrye at databak.co.za] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:18 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron At 07:00 PM 28/02/2008, you wrote: >From: "Richard Strobel" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > >Ok great Peter. I think we've seen both hydrochloric and suphuric acid used >here. I would imagine the intent is to clean and leave a nice etched >surface. Now I need to find the Copper Sulfate. Hi All, Copper Sulfate - Copper Sulphate - different spelling - are they the same thing (and it's just the Yanks who cant spell (just a joke) ? As a kid my Dad used Copper Sulphate in animal dips I think. It was also called "Bluestone" and came in bags - it was chips or crystals of a semi transparent bright blue colour. Are we talking about the same thing? Again, as a kid there were rumours (or Old Wives Tales) that the army (and boys boarding schools) added it to the mens/boys coffee as it was reputed to control those "urges" that us men are prone to. It was reputed to cause "Coopers Droop". I have no idea if there was any truth in this or not! I see this as rapidly developing into another "off topic" discussion :-) - apologies. Daleside Home for Wayward Girls and Wanton Women, If you're "a wantin" we're "a givin" Chief Interviewer - Jerry Evans _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 16:37:15 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:37:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <372107.37179.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Better start with 1983 pennies. They made the switch in 1982. There actually are three different 1982 pennies. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- "Best, George" wrote: > Ed, > > The US Penny from 1982 and newer is 97.5% zinc core with 2.5% copper > plating. > > So if you need some zinc look in your change ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed stoller > > You may just have some old pot metal laying around for the zinc. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain > information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the > intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the > message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From weolson at wiktel.com Thu Feb 28 20:33:32 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:33:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080228210200.00ba1e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <53805962.20080228223332@wiktel.com> Hi Jim, Try searching for Copper Sulfate or Copper Sulfate uses in your search engine, you should get lots of hits. It's also used for controlling algae in ponds and killing tree roots in sewer system drain fields, amoung other uses. Thursday, February 28, 2008, 3:50:13 PM, you wrote: JD> Rick, JD> If you can't find copper sulfate anywhere else, JD> go to any pipeline field office and ask to see the "corrosion guy". JD> He will have whatever small amount this job would need. JD> Jim JD> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com JD> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Thanks, William Olson, mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Roosevelt, MN Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 29 05:38:41 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:38:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080228210200.00ba1e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <53805962.20080228223332@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <001f01c87ad8$661a8dc0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> BINGO!!!! killing tree roots in sewer system drain fields, amoung other uses. > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Feb 29 05:48:44 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:48:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <59846.168.215.206.73.1204215717.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Well Curt and gang,,,time to spill my gutz. This is a crank off the Wachs steam engine. The steam list is all but dead with only a few posts a year. I didn't get a before picture but with a little imagination you'll get my point. Hard to see but there's actually two studs w/nuts holding the counterweight on. This picture should tell it all. The nuts were leaded in plus an addtional layer which covered the end of the counterweight...I would swag an eighth inch or so. Thanks again for all the replies and will do some experimenting and look for some copper Sulf8 or Sulph8...lol. Here's the pix and you can do previous and next photo: http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2425581950039077051oAzvik It could very well be babbitt..will try the ring test. I would imagine the whatever was used to add weight for balancing and not lock the nuts. Take Care, RickinMt. > > Rick, > If you don't find any on your side of the great plains let me know as that > is one of the chemical we make over in skunk works (the chemcical plant). > I could send you some. > FWIW I had good luck tinning and bonding the Babbitt to cast parts using > the tinning flux. Instead of lead to hold your weights in place could you > use the Babbitt tinning flux and just pour Babbitt instead? > I'm curious, why the need to assure tinning? Doesn't the white metal > simply occupy space to lock the parts together taking advantage of > negative draft? > Certainly the OEM didn't rely on tinning to assure the parts stayed > together? > You've got my curiosity going on this. Could you post a few pictures? > Curt Holland > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Feb 29 21:16:32 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:16:32 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080228210200.00ba1e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <53805962.20080228223332@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <016d01c87b5b$6a695ef0$e0a6a7cb@nomadlbb0xuixe> Copper sulphate can be obtained from Graden nurserys as well or horse/farm supplies stores as used for treating infected hooves for cattle and horses and for cleaning sheep and cattle troughs of algae buildup etc brentnz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Olson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > Hi Jim, > Try searching for Copper Sulfate or Copper Sulfate uses in your search engine, you should get lots of hits. It's also used for controlling algae in ponds and killing tree roots in sewer system drain fields, amoung other uses. > > Thursday, February 28, 2008, 3:50:13 PM, you wrote: > > JD> Rick, > JD> If you can't find copper sulfate anywhere else, > JD> go to any pipeline field office and ask to see the "corrosion guy". > JD> He will have whatever small amount this job would need. > JD> Jim > > > JD> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > JD> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- > Thanks, William Olson, mailto:weolson at wiktel.com > Roosevelt, MN > > Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 4:34 PM > > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Feb 29 21:43:29 2008 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (brent) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:43:29 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080228210200.00ba1e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <53805962.20080228223332@wiktel.com> <001f01c87ad8$661a8dc0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <021801c87b5f$2e0afa00$e0a6a7cb@nomadlbb0xuixe> It definitely works as we constantly got blocked toilet drains caused by tree roots so gave it a blast with the copper sulphate and keep it clear for over three years we were clearing it about every 6-8 months brentnz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sticking lead to cast iron > > BINGO!!!! > > killing tree roots in sewer system drain fields, amoung other uses. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 4:34 PM > >