From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Dec 1 00:02:07 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:02:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell Hot tube engine Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> G'day All in engine land!! Got the old Campbell running yesturday (Sunday) after a pain staking and challenging 2 year resto! (or close to it) AAAHHHHH What a bloody great feeling hey. I had the pleasure of sharing this day with a few good mates and I could not let dad miss out either. He was still smiling about it today when he called into my work. Bigish projects like this take some help to complete and there are a number of people who I have had to thank along the way. I do have some pics to add to web shots over the next week time permitting. The engine is still not show ready yet but at least now I'm very confident that it will be with me at the next Ozzie National. Mostly plumbing jobs to be done now which dad is keen to help out with. Cheers, Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Dec 1 03:04:20 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:04:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co Message-ID: MessageDoes anyone know of the history of the Gas Power Publishing Co., Michigan and in particular a book by E.L. Osborne called "Plain gas engine sense" ? Peter, Oz HI, We have a book printed in 1906 called by Osborne published by gas power publishing co, it is called Plain gas engine sense,with an advert for R & V gasoline engines printed in it. Advertising "the horizontal hit and miss engine" Some topics covered in this book are mechanical power generation,power stroke and heat losses,timing of valves and spark.Gas engine troubles,gas power tractor machines.Relation of purchaser and manufacturer.A glance ahead. Do you know if this publishing company still exists. We would be interested to hear from anyone regarding this book. Many thanks Kevin Gee From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Mon Dec 1 03:19:16 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:19:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Campbell Hot tube engine In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Very excited for you.Can we see a vid? I always smile for about two weeks when I get a long term one like this running.I thought your dress in some of the pics was a bit short!! John> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:02:07 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Campbell Hot tube engine> > G'day All in engine land!!> > Got the old Campbell running yesturday (Sunday) after a pain staking > and challenging 2 year resto! (or close to it) AAAHHHHH What a bloody > great feeling hey. I had the pleasure of sharing this day with a few > good mates and I could not let dad miss out either. He was still > smiling about it today when he called into my work. Bigish projects > like this take some help to complete and there are a number of people > who I have had to thank along the way. I do have some pics to add to > web shots over the next week time permitting. The engine is still not > show ready yet but at least now I'm very confident that it will be > with me at the next Ozzie National. Mostly plumbing jobs to be done > now which dad is keen to help out with.> > Cheers, Russell> > > Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Dec 1 03:30:39 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:30:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Merry Christmas Message-ID: <7332F6CAC8C94403A6E9D01EAFEAA707@PML> I know it is a bit early but we would like to wish everyone out there in engine land a Merry Christmas and a great New Year. I will be unsubscribing for only the second time since I joined the original list in 1999 (where does the time go?) but I will be back next year. We are off for our big overseas trip to the UK and other places foreign at the end of the week and I am hoping to have my first white Christmas. All the best, Patrick & Ann Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Dec 1 03:34:10 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:34:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell Hot tube engine In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <958ABD1A57F04212B79C1EF1EDC7CA4E@PML> That's great Russell. It is always nice to hear of another fine piece of machinery returning to life. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- G'day All in engine land!! Got the old Campbell running yesturday (Sunday) after a pain staking and challenging 2 year resto! (or close to it) AAAHHHHH What a bloody great feeling hey. I had the pleasure of sharing this day with a few good mates and I could not let dad miss out either. He was still smiling about it today when he called into my work. Bigish projects like this take some help to complete and there are a number of people who I have had to thank along the way. I do have some pics to add to web shots over the next week time permitting. The engine is still not show ready yet but at least now I'm very confident that it will be with me at the next Ozzie National. Mostly plumbing jobs to be done now which dad is keen to help out with. Cheers, Russell From oldengines at bigpond.com Mon Dec 1 12:08:27 2008 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:08:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co References: Message-ID: <000b01c953f0$92ad09c0$1c02a8c0@ronliz> HI Peter We have the book you are looking for Ron & Liz Sullivan oldengin es at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co > MessageDoes anyone know of the history of the Gas Power Publishing Co., > Michigan and in particular a book by E.L. Osborne called "Plain gas engine > sense" ? > > Peter, Oz > > > > > > HI, > We have a book printed in 1906 called by Osborne published by gas power > publishing co, it is called Plain gas engine sense,with an advert for R & > V gasoline engines printed in it. Advertising "the horizontal hit and miss > engine" > Some topics covered in this book are mechanical power generation,power > stroke and heat losses,timing of valves and spark.Gas engine troubles,gas > power tractor machines.Relation of purchaser and manufacturer.A glance > ahead. > Do you know if this publishing company still exists. > We would be interested to hear from anyone regarding this book. > Many thanks > Kevin Gee > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 1 12:21:55 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC FAMOus References: <001c01c94984$4c114240$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <002201c953f2$75470730$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> To reiterate and rephrase the previous query , does anyone have a 8hp + IHC famous they are thinking of selling in the near future ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 13:32:30 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:32:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160812011332i508bbc84jdf708c9423060e8d@mail.gmail.com> On 01/12/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > MessageDoes anyone know of the history of the Gas Power Publishing Co., > Michigan and in particular a book by E.L. Osborne called "Plain gas engine > sense" ? > > Peter, Oz Four copies on the internet. Peter From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 14:32:50 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:32:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <468116.76328.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, Look here, http://www.gasenginemagazine.com/shopping/detail.aspx?ItemNumber=3930 Or here, http://tinyurl.com/574x3k Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Peter Lowe wrote: > From: Peter Lowe > Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:04 AM > MessageDoes anyone know of the history of the Gas Power > Publishing Co., Michigan and in particular a book by E.L. > Osborne called "Plain gas engine sense" ? > > Peter, Oz > > > > > > HI, > We have a book printed in 1906 called by Osborne > published by gas power publishing co, it is called Plain gas > engine sense,with an advert for R & V gasoline engines > printed in it. Advertising "the horizontal hit and miss > engine" > Some topics covered in this book are mechanical power > generation,power stroke and heat losses,timing of valves and > spark.Gas engine troubles,gas power tractor > machines.Relation of purchaser and manufacturer.A glance > ahead. > Do you know if this publishing company still exists. > We would be interested to hear from anyone regarding > this book. > Many thanks > Kevin Gee > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 14:36:55 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:36:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <7332F6CAC8C94403A6E9D01EAFEAA707@PML> Message-ID: <998666.8564.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Come see us over here in Michigan, U.S. of A. White is here, has been here a while and sure will be here for Christmas. 8>)) Have a nice safe vacation. Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > From: Patrick M Livingstone > Subject: [SEL] OT Merry Christmas > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:30 AM > I know it is a bit early but we would like to wish everyone > out there in > engine land a Merry Christmas and a great New Year. > I will be unsubscribing for only the second time since I > joined the original > list in 1999 (where does the time go?) but I will be back > next year. > We are off for our big overseas trip to the UK and other > places foreign at > the end of the week and I am hoping to have my first white > Christmas. > All the best, > Patrick & Ann > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From camaned at iinet.net.au Mon Dec 1 15:27:34 2008 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:27:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell Hot tube engine In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <66C6289449F141AAA174F4470EE82148@CamPC> Hi Russ, Great to hear you have her up and running Mate, looking forward to seeing her at the National. Cheers Cam. PS. bring a good lamp this time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Campbell Hot tube engine > G'day All in engine land!! > > Got the old Campbell running yesturday (Sunday) after a pain staking > and challenging 2 year resto! (or close to it) AAAHHHHH What a bloody > great feeling hey. I had the pleasure of sharing this day with a few > good mates and I could not let dad miss out either. He was still > smiling about it today when he called into my work. Bigish projects > like this take some help to complete and there are a number of people > who I have had to thank along the way. I do have some pics to add to > web shots over the next week time permitting. The engine is still not > show ready yet but at least now I'm very confident that it will be > with me at the next Ozzie National. Mostly plumbing jobs to be done > now which dad is keen to help out with. > > Cheers, Russell > > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From camaned at iinet.net.au Mon Dec 1 15:56:34 2008 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:56:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <7332F6CAC8C94403A6E9D01EAFEAA707@PML> References: <7332F6CAC8C94403A6E9D01EAFEAA707@PML> Message-ID: <8192FF5B1959469BAC5EC64A9B82E665@CamPC> Merry Xmas to you both, have the time of your lives and come back safe. Cheers Cam & Edwina PS, don't use the outside dunny while on the plane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Merry Christmas >I know it is a bit early but we would like to wish everyone out there in > engine land a Merry Christmas and a great New Year. > I will be unsubscribing for only the second time since I joined the > original > list in 1999 (where does the time go?) but I will be back next year. > We are off for our big overseas trip to the UK and other places foreign at > the end of the week and I am hoping to have my first white Christmas. > All the best, > Patrick & Ann > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 1 16:15:53 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:15:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812011332i508bbc84jdf708c9423060e8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160812011332i508bbc84jdf708c9423060e8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1228176953.49347e3942ff8@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Peter, I don't think Pete is looking to BUY a copy of this common book. I'll wager he has one already as he's referred to particular R&V pictures in there. What he's asking about is the history of the company that published the book and the history of the book itself. My guess is that there's some gem of R&V history there that he's trying to nail down for HIS R&V book. But I could be wrong... 8->> See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > > On 01/12/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > > Does anyone know of the history of the Gas Power Publishing Co., > > Michigan and in particular a book by E.L. Osborne called "Plain > > gas engine sense" ? > > > Four copies on the internet. > > Peter From ashpow at westnet.com.au Mon Dec 1 19:58:40 2008 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:58:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? Message-ID: Hey all Can anyone tell me where I can get an oiler for an IHC M 3hp? Cheers Ash From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Dec 1 20:16:48 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:16:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? References: Message-ID: Ash, An original is tough to come by. If you're not a purist, you can get a nice less expensive oiler that will work just as good. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ash Powell" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? > Hey all > > Can anyone tell me where I can get an oiler for an IHC M 3hp? > > Cheers > Ash > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Dec 1 20:19:07 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:19:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? Message-ID: <20081201.201908.420.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Lots of them on Ebay Ash. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:58:40 +1100 "Ash Powell" writes: > Hey all > > Can anyone tell me where I can get an oiler for an IHC M 3hp? > > Cheers > Ash > ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2USj1fYhEYMha9Yt7Yt9uz7HY1MD3ffRKvrByyy6Pk3Hoe5/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Dec 2 07:52:29 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:52:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1228233149.493559bdcd289@webmail.city-net.com> Tommy, What oiler would be the "correct" one for an IHC "M"? See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > An original is tough to come by. If you're not a purist, you can get a > nice less expensive oiler that will work just as good. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ash Powell" > > Can anyone tell me where I can get an oiler for an IHC M 3hp? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 10:48:27 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:48:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? In-Reply-To: <1228233149.493559bdcd289@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <190B79FC00564DCCA3ADD95E7D2F3579@tommyd0x52gkco> I think the early understrike M's had Lunk. Paragons on them. The later M's had the "no name" oiler, not sure who built it. It had a check and blow by tube. I have had a few of them and had one a couple of months ago for a 10 HP M I put on Harrys for $150. The first caller bought it and I probably received 20 calls in regards to the oiler. That's how I know they're hard to find and can cost some change. I don't know if I still have a photo of it or not but if so, I'll get it posted for you to look at. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:52 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Oiler - International M? Tommy, What oiler would be the "correct" one for an IHC "M"? See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > An original is tough to come by. If you're not a purist, you can get a > nice less expensive oiler that will work just as good. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ash Powell" > > Can anyone tell me where I can get an oiler for an IHC M 3hp? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Dec 2 11:44:51 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:44:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? In-Reply-To: <190B79FC00564DCCA3ADD95E7D2F3579@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <20081202194450.C489A4448B3@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hy Tommy, I think the oilers were made by American Injector Co., Detroit U.S. A. The brass bodies were not signed but some had embossed glass. They have a distinctive sliding cast brass filler cover and hex nut, similar to Lunk. Paragons. Cya, Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:48 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Oiler - International M? I think the early understrike M's had Lunk. Paragons on them. The later M's had the "no name" oiler, not sure who built it. It had a check and blow by tube. I have had a few of them and had one a couple of months ago for a 10 HP M I put on Harrys for $150. The first caller bought it and I probably received 20 calls in regards to the oiler. That's how I know they're hard to find and can cost some change. I don't know if I still have a photo of it or not but if so, I'll get it posted for you to look at. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:52 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Oiler - International M? Tommy, What oiler would be the "correct" one for an IHC "M"? See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > An original is tough to come by. If you're not a purist, you can get a > nice less expensive oiler that will work just as good. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ash Powell" > > Can anyone tell me where I can get an oiler for an IHC M 3hp? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 12:08:46 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:08:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Message-ID: <493595CE.4090300@rustic-engines.com> After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose these two question to the group. Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even spel injunear. Harry's Old Engine #6 here: > http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam gear, count them here: > http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How many teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this gear revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not slowly get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut crankshaft gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for me. More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and push-rod that I need to get my engine running. BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of the crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. We would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? -- Cheers and TIA, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Dec 2 12:58:27 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:58:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Message-ID: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Al. The cam gear MUST have twice the number of teeth as the crank gear. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:08:46 +1100 Al Harris writes: > After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose > > these two question to the group. > > Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even > spel > injunear. > > Harry's Old Engine #6 here: > > http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm > > is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam > gear, > count them here: > > > http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg > > OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How > many > teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this > gear > revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not > slowly > get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? > > My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut > crankshaft > gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I > eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for > me. > > More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and > push-rod that I need to get my engine running. > > BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of > the > crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. > We > would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? > > -- > Cheers and TIA, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIr1S2lmXKW7AKhDUmtqeFS72pekUE4fx6SaWUja7EFBz/ From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 13:47:31 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:47:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> Ron, that is also my assumption, so how does it work with the cam gear from Harry's site that clearly shows *51* teeth on the gear? Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Al. > The cam gear MUST have twice the number of teeth as the crank gear. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:08:46 +1100 Al Harris > writes: > >> After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose >> >> these two question to the group. >> >> Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even >> spel >> injunear. >> >> Harry's Old Engine #6 here: >> >>> http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm >>> >> is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam >> gear, >> count them here: >> >> >>> http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg >>> >> OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How >> many >> teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this >> gear >> revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not >> slowly >> get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? >> >> My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut >> crankshaft >> gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I >> eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for >> me. >> >> More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and >> push-rod that I need to get my engine running. >> >> BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of >> the >> crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. >> We >> would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? >> >> -- >> Cheers and TIA, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIr1S2lmXKW7AKhDUmtqeFS72pekUE4fx6SaWUja7EFBz/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Dec 2 14:48:23 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:48:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Message-ID: <20081202.144823.864.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> Can't happen Al. You can't divided 51 evenly by two. At least not on this half of the hemisphere. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:47:31 +1100 Al Harris writes: > Ron, > > that is also my assumption, so how does it work with the cam gear > from > Harry's site that clearly shows *51* teeth on the gear? > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com ____________________________________________________________ Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals nationwide http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1fTGplscyumrnaNy7se1todzmoWThoMhThOi741teWuFtQJ/ From ilifa at internode.on.net Tue Dec 2 14:56:33 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:56:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> References: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: That picture of a 51 tooth timing gear is an April 1st joke. It just can not be real. That gear looks to have 51 teeth, I admit, but it has either been doctored or it isn't a timing gear. You can't defy the laws of physics. Eric From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Dec 2 15:20:11 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:20:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Message-ID: <20081202.152012.864.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> I counted twice and got 50 both times. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2bNH7rDyamHEBzMUGJdxOdD48v4PWV2ceSG4boxNAZ1OUhH/ From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Dec 2 15:24:56 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:24:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <493595CE.4090300@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 7:09 AM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose these two question to the group. Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even spel injunear. Harry's Old Engine #6 here: > http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam gear, count them here: > http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How many teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this gear revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not slowly get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut crankshaft gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for me. More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and push-rod that I need to get my engine running. BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of the crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. We would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? -- Cheers and TIA, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 9:51 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 15:33:01 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:33:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <4935C5AD.3090301@rustic-engines.com> Harry wouldn't do that, would he. :-\ Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Eric Schulz wrote: > That picture of a 51 tooth timing gear is an April 1st joke. It just > can not be real. That gear looks to have 51 teeth, I admit, but it has > either been doctored or it isn't a timing gear. You can't defy the > laws of physics. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 15:34:40 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:34:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <20081202.144823.864.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20081202.144823.864.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4935C610.3090105@rustic-engines.com> Harry can't count? I have counted the teeth 10 times, there are 51. :-\ Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Can't happen Al. You can't divided 51 evenly by two. At least not on > this half of the hemisphere. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > From ilifa at internode.on.net Tue Dec 2 15:38:04 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:38:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: After seeing that we were counting incorrectly, I enlarged the photo to make it easier to count. It has not been doctored, it is just the changing angles of the teeth around gear that confuses the eyes. There ARE only 50 teeth. The laws of physics are still safe! Eric From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 15:38:34 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:38:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <20081202.152012.864.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <2950A1DDCF96459A9DFA4EA1949A47A5@tommydk7hxjr4h> I counted 3 times Ron. Got 50 all 3 times. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > I counted twice and got 50 both times. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Dec 2 15:42:51 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:42:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <20081202.152012.864.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. Ron Canberra. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 10:20 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. I counted twice and got 50 both times. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2bNH7rDyamHEBzMUGJdxOdD48v 4PWV2ceSG4boxNAZ1OUhH/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 9:51 AM From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue Dec 2 15:46:35 2008 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:46:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <4935C8DB.3050908@accnorwalk.com> I think its one of those optical illusion eye tests! I can't get the same number twice in a row. It either has to be in the shadows across from the pin or the shadows by the gov brkt. Seems I get lost in those areas every time! Doug T Ron Page wrote: > Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. > > Ron > Canberra > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Dec 2 15:48:32 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:48:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: There is a two to one ratio between the crank and the cam so it has to be an even number. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 7:09 AM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose these two question to the group. Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even spel injunear. Harry's Old Engine #6 here: > http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam gear, count them here: > http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How many teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this gear revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not slowly get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut crankshaft gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for me. More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and push-rod that I need to get my engine running. BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of the crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. We would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? -- Cheers and TIA, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 9:51 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 15:56:47 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:56:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. > > Ron > Canberra. > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 16:03:10 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:03:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <4935CCBE.1060606@rustic-engines.com> Ron, You're right, your eyes need testing. There is an optical illusion around the 8 o'clock - 8.30 area where you can count one tooth twice. Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Ron Page wrote: > Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. > > Ron > Canberra > > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 16:17:15 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:17:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4935CCBE.1060606@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <27507D35DF00431EB26DFD36AE646957@tommydk7hxjr4h> I got home a bit ago and have been hitting the egg nog. I just counted 64 teeth. Is this thing growing? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Ron, > > You're right, your eyes need testing. There is an optical illusion > around the 8 o'clock - 8.30 area where you can count one tooth twice. > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Ron Page wrote: >> Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. >> >> Ron >> Canberra >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 2 16:26:04 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:26:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Go and stand in the naughty corner. That was 'Pun'ishable!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > >> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >> >> Ron >> Canberra. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 16:26:29 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:26:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com> Fellas, I've blown it up and numbered it. > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > >> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >> >> Ron >> Canberra. >> >> >> From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Dec 2 16:29:51 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:29:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <2950A1DDCF96459A9DFA4EA1949A47A5@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <001601c954de$41e417b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> So did I when I blew it up. Its an age thing. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 10:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. I counted 3 times Ron. Got 50 all 3 times. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > I counted twice and got 50 both times. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 9:51 AM From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Dec 2 16:31:01 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:31:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4935CCBE.1060606@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <001701c954de$6b9883c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> That explains it. Thanks Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 11:03 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Ron, You're right, your eyes need testing. There is an optical illusion around the 8 o'clock - 8.30 area where you can count one tooth twice. Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Ron Page wrote: > Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. > > Ron > Canberra > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 9:51 AM From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Dec 2 16:32:51 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:32:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <27507D35DF00431EB26DFD36AE646957@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <001d01c954de$acf26750$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> The egg nog will do it everytime. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 11:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. I got home a bit ago and have been hitting the egg nog. I just counted 64 teeth. Is this thing growing? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Ron, > > You're right, your eyes need testing. There is an optical illusion > around the 8 o'clock - 8.30 area where you can count one tooth twice. > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Ron Page wrote: >> Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. >> >> Ron >> Canberra >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 9:51 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 16:37:15 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:37:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <27507D35DF00431EB26DFD36AE646957@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4935CCBE.1060606@rustic-engines.com> <27507D35DF00431EB26DFD36AE646957@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4935D4BB.1000705@rustic-engines.com> It's probably spinning Tommy. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I got home a bit ago and have been hitting the egg nog. I just counted 64 > teeth. Is this thing growing? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >>> From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Tue Dec 2 16:31:55 2008 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:31:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <493595CE.4090300@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <006001c954de$8b6429c0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Al, There are 50. Enlarged 400% and counting anticlockwise from the pin 22 has a white dot, 33 a red dot and up to 50. The confusion seems to be in that 5 o'clock area where the angle changes. John Bega NSW Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose > these two question to the group. > > Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even spel > injunear. > > Harry's Old Engine #6 here: >> http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm > > is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam gear, > count them here: > >> http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg > > OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How many > teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this gear > revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not slowly > get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? > > My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut crankshaft > gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I > eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for me. > > More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and > push-rod that I need to get my engine running. > > BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of the > crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. We > would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? > > -- > Cheers and TIA, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 16:31:41 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:31:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4935D36D.1030700@rustic-engines.com> Fellas, I've blown it up and numbered it. > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg And I'll guarantee it's between 24 and 25 that the illusion happens. :-) Damn it's a beauty isn't it. And no, I have counted 24 teeth correctly on my diagonal crankshaft gear. Anybody know why there are only 24, is it because of the diagonal cutting process. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > >> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >> >> Ron >> Canberra. >> >> >> From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 16:50:20 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:50:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Number 30 on your blow up is #29 on my count. when you get to 15 start counting on the top of the teeth as it blurs if you try to count the edge. Tommy Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Fellas, > > I've blown it up and numbered it. > >> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> >>> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >>> >>> Ron >>> Canberra. >>> >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 16:58:40 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:58:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <001701c954de$6b9883c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <001701c954de$6b9883c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <4935D9C0.5000103@rustic-engines.com> No, it doesn't, I was wrong too. See later post. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Ron Page wrote: > That explains it. Thanks > > Ron > Canberra > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 11:03 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > Ron, > > You're right, your eyes need testing. There is an optical illusion > around the 8 o'clock - 8.30 area where you can count one tooth twice. > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Ron Page wrote: > >> Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. >> >> Ron >> Canberra >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From bethell at internode.on.net Tue Dec 2 16:53:04 2008 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim&Geraldine Bethell) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:53:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4935C5AD.3090301@rustic-engines.com> References: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> <4935C5AD.3090301@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <2C04D52BCCDB46A2978BC6B1C594AD9D@bethelllaptop> Al, I can only count 50!! regards Jimbo Jim & Geraldine Bethell 12 Fush Place Mildura Victoria 3500 03-50213414 0427-213414 http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Harry wouldn't do that, would he. :-\ > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Eric Schulz wrote: >> That picture of a 51 tooth timing gear is an April 1st joke. It just >> can not be real. That gear looks to have 51 teeth, I admit, but it has >> either been doctored or it isn't a timing gear. You can't defy the >> laws of physics. >> >> Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 17:07:05 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:07:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <493595CE.4090300@rustic-engines.com> <006001c954de$8b6429c0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: <793563E090B142179BB72CA1B3F3FEC9@tommydk7hxjr4h> Yup. On Al's blow up the problem is between teeth #25 and 30. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Beryl Cooper" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Hi Al, > There are 50. Enlarged 400% and counting anticlockwise from the pin 22 > has > a white dot, 33 a red dot and up to 50. The confusion seems to be in that > 5 > o'clock area where the angle changes. > John > Bega NSW Oz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:08 AM > Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > >> >> After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose >> these two question to the group. >> >> Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even spel >> injunear. >> >> Harry's Old Engine #6 here: >>> http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm >> >> is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam gear, >> count them here: >> >>> http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg >> >> OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How many >> teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this gear >> revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not slowly >> get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? >> >> My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut crankshaft >> gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I >> eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for me. >> >> More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and >> push-rod that I need to get my engine running. >> >> BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of the >> crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. We >> would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? >> >> -- >> Cheers and TIA, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 > 9:31 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 17:17:06 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:17:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com> <2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4935DE12.806@rustic-engines.com> You've seen my later post by now. I must try that egg nog stuff, it appears (sic) to have visionary improvement properties. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Number 30 on your blow up is #29 on my count. when you get to 15 start > counting on the top of the teeth as it blurs if you try to count the edge. > > Tommy Turner > > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 17:19:44 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:19:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <006001c954de$8b6429c0$0201010a@JBCooper> References: <493595CE.4090300@rustic-engines.com> <006001c954de$8b6429c0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: <4935DEB0.7050503@rustic-engines.com> There sure is John. You must remember, I was more confused by the fact that my crankshaft gear has 24 teeth on it. So I was trying to count 48 teeth on the straight cut gear in the picture. :-( Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com John & Beryl Cooper wrote: > Hi Al, > There are 50. Enlarged 400% and counting anticlockwise from the pin 22 has > a white dot, 33 a red dot and up to 50. The confusion seems to be in that 5 > o'clock area where the angle changes. > John > Bega NSW Oz > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 17:21:46 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:21:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4935D36D.1030700@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <93FA8EFE8F4B48CB928E3C0765F66FE7@tommydk7hxjr4h> Boy, you can tell the weather isn't letting a lot of us work on old iron..... if this thing would only look like a lot of the folks I see, we wouldn't have to worry about teeth! Here's another photo and on this one I've placed a white dot a each tooth. Just count the dots and you'll know the number of teeth! http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5275366552149864898 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Fellas, > > I've blown it up and numbered it. > >> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg > > And I'll guarantee it's between 24 and 25 that the illusion > happens. :-) Damn it's a beauty isn't it. > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 17:23:18 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:23:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <2C04D52BCCDB46A2978BC6B1C594AD9D@bethelllaptop> References: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> <4935C5AD.3090301@rustic-engines.com> <2C04D52BCCDB46A2978BC6B1C594AD9D@bethelllaptop> Message-ID: <4935DF86.9060605@rustic-engines.com> It's OK Jimbo, when you go up a grade it will improve. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Jim&Geraldine Bethell wrote: > Al, > I can only count 50!! > regards > Jimbo > Jim & Geraldine Bethell > 12 Fush Place > Mildura Victoria 3500 > 03-50213414 > 0427-213414 > http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > >> Harry wouldn't do that, would he. :-\ >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Eric Schulz wrote: >> >>> That picture of a 51 tooth timing gear is an April 1st joke. It just >>> can not be real. That gear looks to have 51 teeth, I admit, but it has >>> either been doctored or it isn't a timing gear. You can't defy the >>> laws of physics. >>> >>> Eric >>> > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 17:27:13 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:27:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> Well, maybe its a 2 to 1 ratio in reverse. The crank gear has 102 teeth and the engine is actually a 1/2 cycle? Just kidding folks before someone believes me. I remember posting once that I was going to unstick an engine by filling the cylinder full of popcorn, putting the head back on and then lighting a fire in the hopper. The popping corn would expand and "pop" the cylinder loose. I had a person seriously contact me and asked how it worked as they might try it...... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kirkes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > There is a two to one ratio between the crank and the cam so > it has to be an even number. > > Jim > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 2 17:36:20 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:36:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h><4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com> <2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Er, is this the onset of cabin fever? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Number 30 on your blow up is #29 on my count. when you get to 15 start > counting on the top of the teeth as it blurs if you try to count the edge. > > Tommy Turner > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > >> Fellas, >> >> I've blown it up and numbered it. >> >>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >>> Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> Canberra. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 > 9:31 AM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 20:16:44 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:16:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h><4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com> <2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4936082C.90802@rustic-engines.com> No. It's a ploy to get somebody to admit thet they have a gear that they need to sell so that I can get this confounded FMZ running. Are you that somebody? :-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com R & M Ingold wrote: > Er, is this the onset of cabin fever? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > >> Number 30 on your blow up is #29 on my count. when you get to 15 start >> counting on the top of the teeth as it blurs if you try to count the edge. >> >> Tommy Turner >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Harris" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >> >>> Fellas, >>> >>> I've blown it up and numbered it. >>> >>> >>>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg >>>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Al Harris >>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >>> >>>> Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >>>>> >>>>> Ron >>>>> Canberra. >>>>> >>>>> From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 20:40:39 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:40:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h><4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com><2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Based on this discussion thread Reg, I think Cabin Fever is like the Recession.... its hit fast and hit hard! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Er, is this the onset of cabin fever? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > >> Number 30 on your blow up is #29 on my count. when you get to 15 start >> counting on the top of the teeth as it blurs if you try to count the >> edge. >> >> Tommy Turner >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Harris" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >>> Fellas, >>> >>> I've blown it up and numbered it. >>> >>>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Al Harris >>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >>>> Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >>>>> >>>>> Ron >>>>> Canberra. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: >> 12/2/2008 >> 9:31 AM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 21:03:44 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:03:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h><4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com><2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <49361330.3050909@rustic-engines.com> It's cleared my vision though, thanks fellas. ;-) The sad part is that a 48 tooth diagonally cut FMZ cam gear has not come into sight. :-( C'mon, make my Xmas, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Based on this discussion thread Reg, I think Cabin Fever is like the > Recession.... its hit fast and hit hard! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > >> Er, is this the onset of cabin fever? >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > From weolson at wiktel.com Tue Dec 2 21:17:31 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:17:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <001601c954de$41e417b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <2950A1DDCF96459A9DFA4EA1949A47A5@tommydk7hxjr4h> <001601c954de$41e417b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <173818399.20081202231731@wiktel.com> Hi Ron, Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:29:51 PM, you wrote: RP> So did I when I blew it up. Its an age thing. RP> Ron RP> Canberra RP> -----Original Message----- RP> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com RP> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy RP> Turner RP> Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 10:39 AM RP> To: The SEL email discussion list RP> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. RP> I counted 3 times Ron. Got 50 all 3 times. RP> Tommy Turner RP> Magnolia, KY RP> ----- Original Message ----- RP> From: RP> To: RP> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:20 PM RP> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> I counted twice and got 50 both times. >> Ron Haskell >> rdhaskell at juno.com >> Riverside, California USA >> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell RP> _______________________________________________ RP> SEL mailing list RP> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com RP> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel I also copied the picture, pasted it into a word doc, enlarged it as much as I could, then printed it out and carefully numbered the teeth on the print out several times and got 50 each time. Yes, it gets confusing around # 25 area. I thought I'd just add to the confusion. -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Roosevelt, MN Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 3 08:40:56 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:40:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <173818399.20081202231731@wiktel.com> Message-ID: I can't belive that all you guys got it wrong! The gear has 51 teeth and, naturally, it mates with a 25-1/2 tooth crankshaft gear. That makes the ratio almost exactly 2:1! Don't feel foolish, it happens all the time. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of William > Olson > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:18 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > Hi Ron, > > I also copied the picture, pasted it into a word > doc, enlarged it as much as I could, then printed > it out and carefully numbered the teeth on the > print out several times and got 50 each time. > Yes, it gets confusing around # 25 area. > I thought I'd just add to the confusion. > > > > -- > Thanks, William From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 3 08:12:29 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:12:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <1228320749.4936afed27a65@webmail.city-net.com> Judge? Whack youself on the pee-pee with your gavel for that one! See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 3 08:29:39 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:29:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Tommy, We have 2, 4, 6, and 8-cycle engines; why not a half-cycle engine? Works for me. In fact, I think if you write up the claims for fuel-efficiency, the Obama administration will probably give you a couple of million to develop it. See ya, Arnie PS - And after you spend the money, you can apply for additional research funds to work on the 3-cycle engine. Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Well, maybe its a 2 to 1 ratio in reverse. The crank gear has 102 teeth and > the engine is actually a 1/2 cycle? From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 3 08:30:48 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:30:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h><4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com> <2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <1228321848.4936b4381a3b9@webmail.city-net.com> Nah. No one has told anyone else to fuck off. 8-)) Quoting R & M Ingold : > Er, is this the onset of cabin fever? From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 3 09:34:00 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:34:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <1228320749.4936afed27a65@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228320749.4936afed27a65@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <7660E6C0-DC57-40EB-B475-DB6F5B76E618@alltel.net> Arnie, A judge can get in LOTS of trouble for that sort of thing--'specially if it's done under his robe while sitting on "the bench!" Dave PS, Tommy, if you are disposed to take Arnie's advice, do it VERY discretely! On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:12 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Judge? Whack youself on the pee-pee with your gavel for that one! > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > >> Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Dec 3 09:29:16 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:29:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Tommy, you could put a couple teaspoons of butter in with the popcorn to help the piston slide out once it is popped loose. Then you could sit back and have a snack while admiring your handy work. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com> > > Just kidding folks before someone believes me. I remember posting once that > I was going to unstick an engine by filling the cylinder full of popcorn, > putting the head back on and then lighting a fire in the hopper. The > popping corn would expand and "pop" the cylinder loose. I had a person > seriously contact me and asked how it worked as they might try it......> > Tommy Turner> Magnolia, KY> _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From weolson at wiktel.com Wed Dec 3 10:03:40 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:03:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com> Arnie, Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 10:29:39 AM, you wrote: > Hey Tommy, > We have 2, 4, 6, and 8-cycle engines; why not a half-cycle engine? > Works for me. In fact, I think if you write up the claims for fuel-efficiency, > the Obama administration will probably give you a couple of million to develop > it. > See ya, Arnie > PS - And after you spend the money, you can apply for additional research funds > to work on the 3-cycle engine. > Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : >> Well, maybe its a 2 to 1 ratio in reverse. The crank gear has 102 teeth and >> the engine is actually a 1/2 cycle? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Maybe we already have 1 cycle engines, i.e. STOPPED, in that case perhaps 1/2 cycle could be "I wish it wasn't stopped". -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Roosevelt, MN Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 3 11:22:10 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:22:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: I've got the application in hand! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Hey Tommy, > > We have 2, 4, 6, and 8-cycle engines; why not a half-cycle engine? > > Works for me. In fact, I think if you write up the claims for > fuel-efficiency, > the Obama administration will probably give you a couple of million to > develop > it. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - And after you spend the money, you can apply for additional research > funds > to work on the 3-cycle engine. > > Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > >> Well, maybe its a 2 to 1 ratio in reverse. The crank gear has 102 teeth >> and >> the engine is actually a 1/2 cycle? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 3 11:23:09 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:23:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: That's the great thing about this list Luke.... good ideas can be shared with all!! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > Tommy, you could put a couple teaspoons of butter in with the popcorn to > help the piston slide out once it is popped loose. Then you could sit back > and have a snack while admiring your handy work. > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA ======================> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com> > > Just kidding > folks before someone believes me. I remember posting once that > I was > going to unstick an engine by filling the cylinder full of popcorn, > > putting the head back on and then lighting a fire in the hopper. The > > popping corn would expand and "pop" the cylinder loose. I had a person > > seriously contact me and asked how it worked as they might try it......> > > Tommy Turner> Magnolia, KY> > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 3 11:42:38 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:42:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> Or if the stopped motor was a Maytag, the comment could be... "I'm glad it's NOT running." 8-)) Quoting William Olson : > Maybe we already have 1 cycle engines, i.e. STOPPED, in that case perhaps > 1/2 cycle could be "I wish it wasn't stopped". From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 3 11:49:56 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:49:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <1228333796.4936e2e417482@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Eric, I'm sorry, but your comment below about the laws of physics is quite wrong. You need to visit my shop sometime. I'm currently working on a rectabular excrusion bracket that attaches to the trichotometric support on that 1/2-cycle engine that Tommy and I are developing. You can see a pic here... http://www.robhillman.com/instructions-from-hell.gif Sure, it's gonna be DAMNED expensive to machine, but fortunatly Tommy managed to negotiate a cost plus 300% contract with the Obama Administration. It's GOOD to be da judge!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Eric Schulz : > You can't defy the laws of physics. From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Wed Dec 3 12:28:46 2008 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:28:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com> <1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> Some of you may remember the Lutz opposed piston engine from Portland or Coolspring. In his patent on the valve arrangement he claims that the engine can operate on a 1,2, or4 cycle principle. He was granted the patent. I figured out how the valve can operate as a 2 cycle but have yet to figure out what a 1 cycle is. Maybe this explains it! Is it still operating when stopped?? Doug T > Quoting William Olson : > > >> Maybe we already have 1 cycle engines, i.e. STOPPED, in that case perhaps >> 1/2 cycle could be "I wish it wasn't stopped" From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 3 14:07:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:07:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: Lenoir, perhaps? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Doug > Tallman > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 02:29 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > Some of you may remember the Lutz opposed piston > engine from Portland or > Coolspring. In his patent on the valve > arrangement he claims that the > engine can operate on a 1,2, or4 cycle principle. > He was granted the > patent. I figured out how the valve can operate > as a 2 cycle but have > yet to figure out what a 1 cycle is. Maybe this > explains it! Is it still > operating when stopped?? Doug T From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 3 13:49:17 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:49:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <6F33D192-D8D6-44E3-B528-FE93C412E477@alltel.net> >> USA ======================> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com> > > Just kidding >> folks before someone believes me. I remember posting once that > I >> was >> going to unstick an engine by filling the cylinder full of popcorn, > >> putting the head back on and then lighting a fire in the hopper. >> The > >> popping corn would expand and "pop" the cylinder loose. I had a >> person > >> seriously contact me and asked how it worked as they might try >> it......> > >> Tommy Turner> Magnolia, KY> Hi Tommy, What was this DEMOCRATS name? Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 3 13:41:40 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:41:40 EST Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/2008 8:47:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: Er, is this the onset of cabin fever? I sure am glad I took the beagles out today and let them run rabbits, or I might be having a slight temperature too or even more cross eyed from counting teeth!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From George_Best at adp.com Wed Dec 3 13:54:12 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:54:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Would a Mazda rotary engine be considered a 1 cycle engine? After all the piston( rotor) only goes in one direction. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug Tallman Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:29 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Some of you may remember the Lutz opposed piston engine from Portland or Coolspring. In his patent on the valve arrangement he claims that the engine can operate on a 1,2, or4 cycle principle. He was granted the patent. I figured out how the valve can operate as a 2 cycle but have yet to figure out what a 1 cycle is. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 3 15:00:19 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:00:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> George, Please don't egg them on. The gist of this thread has been totally lost/stolen/misappropriated/bent and forgotten. It was about the gear I need to complete my FMZ. Now c'mon fellas, blokes, guys, girls, sheilas and dolls, who in this extended family of time wasters has an old 48 tooth diagonally cut gear, cam and push-rod laying around in their FMZ stockpile. I need it. I need other stuff too, but this should get it motoring. There must be one out there somewhere. Actually I'm a bit cheesed off, because there are two within 20km of me but the owners would rather let the engines rust away or parts get lost through non-interest, than sell them to me. And no George, the rotor (piston) is changing direction constantly. :-P Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Best, George wrote: > Would a Mazda rotary engine be considered a 1 cycle engine? > > After all the piston( rotor) only goes in one direction. > > George > > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 3 15:27:58 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:27:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <004101c9559e$c7b52120$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> As far as my imagination can hope to fathom , a firearm is the only thing that fits that description . I figured out how the valve can operate as a 2 cycle but have > yet to figure out what a 1 cycle is. Maybe this explains it! Is it still > operating when stopped?? Doug T From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 3 15:37:49 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:37:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <1228347469.4937184d104b7@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Al, Have you contacted Hit & Miss? Given the fact that the FMZ is a fairly common engine on this side of the pond, I'd wager that they would have what you need in their "used parts" inventory. See ya, Arnie Quoting Al Harris : > Now c'mon fellas, blokes, guys, girls, sheilas and dolls, who in this > extended family of time wasters has an old 48 tooth diagonally cut gear, > cam and push-rod laying around in their FMZ stockpile. I need it. I need > other stuff too, but this should get it motoring. There must be one out > there somewhere. > > Actually I'm a bit cheesed off, because there are two within 20km of me > but the owners would rather let the engines rust away or parts get lost > through non-interest, than sell them to me. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 3 16:21:49 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:21:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h><1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com><1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com><4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> <1228347469.4937184d104b7@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure I've got a slant cut gear in a box at the barn. I'm pretty sure its a cam gear but I have no idea what its for. I'll dig it out tomorrow and if its what you need Al, Santa will bring you something to stuff in your stocking. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > G'day Al, > > Have you contacted Hit & Miss? Given the fact that the FMZ is a fairly > common > engine on this side of the pond, I'd wager that they would have what you > need > in their "used parts" inventory. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Al Harris : > >> Now c'mon fellas, blokes, guys, girls, sheilas and dolls, who in this >> extended family of time wasters has an old 48 tooth diagonally cut gear, >> cam and push-rod laying around in their FMZ stockpile. I need it. I need >> other stuff too, but this should get it motoring. There must be one out >> there somewhere. >> >> Actually I'm a bit cheesed off, because there are two within 20km of me >> but the owners would rather let the engines rust away or parts get lost >> through non-interest, than sell them to me. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 9:34 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 3 17:24:35 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:24:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h><1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com><1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com><4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> <1228347469.4937184d104b7@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <49373153.5050402@rustic-engines.com> The egg nog and fruit cake will be hanging on the fire place .... errr ... I mean, the air conditioner. Jumpin' Jupiter Judge, I just looked at your weather forcast. You be careful goin' to the barn, you hear. Thursday Mostly cloudy. A 30 percent chance of rain or light snow until midday. Hi: 3 ?C 36 ?F Lo: -4 ?C 25 ?F It's nearing 30?C here ATM. Now what's that in F again ... that's right 86?F. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I'm pretty sure I've got a slant cut gear in a box at the barn. I'm pretty > sure its a cam gear but I have no idea what its for. I'll dig it out > tomorrow and if its what you need Al, Santa will bring you something to > stuff in your stocking. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Wed Dec 3 17:59:57 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:59:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears Message-ID: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dammit 6 years of lurking ends just like that...I can't even remember how to post! Al Harris, I went down to my shed and counted the helical teeth remains on my ZAA gears for yer. All 3 are rooted but countable - 48 timing, 24 pinion, 11 governor. Now to fix my Z, I'd have to find 3 helical gears pretty well inmpossible so will be replacing with straight cut gears because my FMZ S/N is right near the change back to straight cut gears (1925). It's a rotary mag and therefor all I'd have to find/make is a 12 tooth governor gear which is 1.2" + 100 thou diameter for 12 teeth 10pitch. 25-50 tooth 10 pitch gears are pretty common for 1-1/2 HP engines, machining work needed though. 25-50-12 in straight cut keeps the correct centre distances. By the way - could we be related? Graham Harris, Melb, Oz From: Al Harris Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. You must remember, I was more confused by the fact that my crankshaft gear has 24 teeth on it. So I was trying to count 48 teeth on the straight cut gear in the picture. :-( Cheers, Al It's cleared my vision though, thanks fellas. ;-) The sad part is that a 48 tooth diagonally cut FMZ cam gear has not come into sight. :-( Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 3 19:06:37 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:06:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears In-Reply-To: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com> Firstly, I have no relatives that I know of in "mexico". Secondly, a 25-50-12 setup is going to put your timing out isn't it, by 2 teeth per revolution. Don't you need a 25 tooth maggy gear running off the 50 tooth cam gear. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Graham Harris wrote: > Dammit 6 years of lurking ends just like that...I can't even remember how to post! > > Al Harris, I went down to my shed and counted the helical teeth remains on my ZAA gears for yer. All 3 are rooted but countable - 48 timing, 24 pinion, 11 governor. > > Now to fix my Z, I'd have to find 3 helical gears pretty well inmpossible so will be replacing with straight cut gears because my FMZ S/N is right near the change back to straight cut gears (1925). It's a rotary mag and therefor all I'd have to find/make is a 12 tooth governor gear which is 1.2" + 100 thou diameter for 12 teeth 10pitch. 25-50 tooth 10 pitch gears are pretty common for 1-1/2 HP engines, machining work needed though. 25-50-12 in straight cut keeps the correct centre distances. > > By the way - could we be related? > > Graham Harris, Melb, Oz > > > From: Al Harris > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > You must remember, I was more confused by the fact that my crankshaft > gear has 24 teeth on it. So I was trying to count 48 teeth on the > straight cut gear in the picture. :-( > > Cheers, > > Al > > It's cleared my vision though, thanks fellas. ;-) > > The sad part is that a 48 tooth diagonally cut FMZ cam gear has not come > into sight. :-( > > > > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 3 19:45:38 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:45:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h><1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com><1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com><4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> <1228347469.4937184d104b7@webmail.city-net.com> <49373153.5050402@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <14B1DC2A973444708BB3FED2B6F552E1@tommydk7hxjr4h> Yeah, you guys have it warm down there now. I had never thought about you having to hang the stockings by the AC. One good thing about it, Santa won't burn his butt coming down the chimney. I'll give that thing a look tomorrow afternoon and let you know what I find. I have no idea what its for and if its for a little Z, its yours. If its not, maybe someone can ID it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > The egg nog and fruit cake will be hanging on the fire place .... errr > ... I mean, the air conditioner. > > Jumpin' Jupiter Judge, > > I just looked at your weather forcast. You be careful goin' to the barn, > you hear. > > > > > Thursday > > Mostly cloudy. A 30 percent chance of rain or light snow until midday. > > Hi: 3 ?C 36 ?F > Lo: -4 ?C 25 ?F > > > > It's nearing 30?C here ATM. Now what's that in F again ... that's right > 86?F. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> I'm pretty sure I've got a slant cut gear in a box at the barn. I'm >> pretty >> sure its a cam gear but I have no idea what its for. I'll dig it out >> tomorrow and if its what you need Al, Santa will bring you something to >> stuff in your stocking. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 9:34 AM From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Dec 3 19:46:40 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:46:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> Hay Al read his post again,the 12 teeth is the governor gear. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears > Firstly, I have no relatives that I know of in "mexico". > > Secondly, a 25-50-12 setup is going to put your timing out isn't it, by > 2 teeth per revolution. > > Don't you need a 25 tooth maggy gear running off the 50 tooth cam gear. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Graham Harris wrote: >> Dammit 6 years of lurking ends just like that...I can't even remember how >> to post! >> >> Al Harris, I went down to my shed and counted the helical teeth remains >> on my ZAA gears for yer. All 3 are rooted but countable - 48 timing, 24 >> pinion, 11 governor. >> >> Now to fix my Z, I'd have to find 3 helical gears pretty well inmpossible >> so will be replacing with straight cut gears because my FMZ S/N is right >> near the change back to straight cut gears (1925). It's a rotary mag and >> therefor all I'd have to find/make is a 12 tooth governor gear which is >> 1.2" + 100 thou diameter for 12 teeth 10pitch. 25-50 tooth 10 pitch gears >> are pretty common for 1-1/2 HP engines, machining work needed though. >> 25-50-12 in straight cut keeps the correct centre distances. >> >> By the way - could we be related? >> >> Graham Harris, Melb, Oz >> >> >> From: Al Harris >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> You must remember, I was more confused by the fact that my crankshaft >> gear has 24 teeth on it. So I was trying to count 48 teeth on the >> straight cut gear in the picture. :-( >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al >> >> It's cleared my vision though, thanks fellas. ;-) >> >> The sad part is that a 48 tooth diagonally cut FMZ cam gear has not come >> into sight. :-( >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 3 20:07:58 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:07:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <14B1DC2A973444708BB3FED2B6F552E1@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h><1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com><1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com><4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> <1228347469.4937184d104b7@webmail.city-net.com> <49373153.5050402@rustic-engines.com> <14B1DC2A973444708BB3FED2B6F552E1@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4937579E.4080009@rustic-engines.com> Thank you Tommy. Your effort is appreciated and if it is for the Z and it has other little bits hanging off it, all the better. :-) BTW did I post pics of the current progress ... doesn't matter ... here they are. > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/fmz021208/ Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Yeah, you guys have it warm down there now. I had never thought about you > having to hang the stockings by the AC. One good thing about it, Santa > won't burn his butt coming down the chimney. I'll give that thing a look > tomorrow afternoon and let you know what I find. I have no idea what its > for and if its for a little Z, its yours. If its not, maybe someone can ID > it. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 3 20:09:29 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:09:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear - serious reply In-Reply-To: <49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: On Dec 3, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Al Harris wrote: > Please don't egg them on. The gist of this thread has been totally > lost/stolen/misappropriated/bent and forgotten. It was about the > gear I > need to complete my FMZ. Hi, Al. Hopefully the extended exchange will help you in your quest for the proper gear for your engine. The following will not solve your dilemma, but will throw some light on a subject where some have played fast and loose with the words "never," "always," and "must." Check out a picture (link below) of Greg Procopchuk's Jacobson engine. It's a traditional four cycle engine, with 720 degrees of crankshaft rotation between firing. You can't see much detail in the photo, and on that day I was shooting film, so a better picture is not readily available. The CAM GEAR is the big one nearest Greg. It's also the pump jack gear. Although you can't see the gear on the crankshaft, you can tell it's considerably smaller. I forget what the ratio is, but I seem to think it's four-to-one. As you've probably already figured out, the cam as a few extra lobes. Link: http://engines.rustyiron.com/tulare04 Click on the fourteenth menu item from the top. Good luck finding your gear. Rob From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 3 20:24:52 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:24:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears In-Reply-To: <7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com> <7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> Message-ID: <49375B94.2050608@rustic-engines.com> Right Edd, thanks. I was confused by the term pinion (automatically thought the pinion was the gov offshoot). I'm confused by a few terminologies actually. Spindle, pinion, with thread, with shaft ...arggggg. I'll get my head around it soon, I hope. I was about to check FM maggy status with Graham, as I have an FM-J with diag cut teeth, but there's 22 of them. That wouldn't work on a 48 or 50 tooth cam gear. Now I'm wondering what FM engine it fits. :-( Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Edd Payne wrote: > Hay Al read his post again,the 12 teeth is the governor gear. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:06 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears > > > >> Firstly, I have no relatives that I know of in "mexico". >> >> Secondly, a 25-50-12 setup is going to put your timing out isn't it, by >> 2 teeth per revolution. >> >> Don't you need a 25 tooth maggy gear running off the 50 tooth cam gear. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Graham Harris wrote: >> >>> Dammit 6 years of lurking ends just like that...I can't even remember how >>> to post! >>> >>> Al Harris, I went down to my shed and counted the helical teeth remains >>> on my ZAA gears for yer. All 3 are rooted but countable - 48 timing, 24 >>> pinion, 11 governor. >>> >>> Now to fix my Z, I'd have to find 3 helical gears pretty well inmpossible >>> so will be replacing with straight cut gears because my FMZ S/N is right >>> near the change back to straight cut gears (1925). It's a rotary mag and >>> therefor all I'd have to find/make is a 12 tooth governor gear which is >>> 1.2" + 100 thou diameter for 12 teeth 10pitch. 25-50 tooth 10 pitch gears >>> are pretty common for 1-1/2 HP engines, machining work needed though. >>> 25-50-12 in straight cut keeps the correct centre distances. >>> >>> By the way - could we be related? >>> >>> Graham Harris, Melb, Oz >>> >>> >>> From: Al Harris >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >>> >>> You must remember, I was more confused by the fact that my crankshaft >>> gear has 24 teeth on it. So I was trying to count 48 teeth on the >>> straight cut gear in the picture. :-( >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Al >>> >>> It's cleared my vision though, thanks fellas. ;-) >>> >>> The sad part is that a 48 tooth diagonally cut FMZ cam gear has not come >>> into sight. :-( >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 3 20:44:43 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:44:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear - serious reply In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <4937603B.5040101@rustic-engines.com> G'day Rob, Seems someone figured out a way to kill two birds with one gear. ;-) The Judge is running cover for me ATM and I have a local offer to machine me up one if it gets to the stage where I have to embrace ""never," "always," and "must."". I really would like original though. BTW PSP7 blew that image up to 180% without to much outline blurring. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Rob Skinner wrote: > On Dec 3, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Al Harris wrote: > >> Please don't egg them on. The gist of this thread has been totally >> lost/stolen/misappropriated/bent and forgotten. It was about the >> gear I >> need to complete my FMZ. >> > > > Hi, Al. > Hopefully the extended exchange will help you in your quest for the > proper gear for your engine. > > The following will not solve your dilemma, but will throw some light > on a subject where some have played fast and loose with the words > "never," "always," and "must." > > Check out a picture (link below) of Greg Procopchuk's Jacobson > engine. It's a traditional four cycle engine, with 720 degrees of > crankshaft rotation between firing. You can't see much detail in the > photo, and on that day I was shooting film, so a better picture is not > readily available. > > The CAM GEAR is the big one nearest Greg. It's also the pump jack > gear. Although you can't see the gear on the crankshaft, you can tell > it's considerably smaller. I forget what the ratio is, but I seem to > think it's four-to-one. > > As you've probably already figured out, the cam as a few extra lobes. > > Link: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/tulare04 > Click on the fourteenth menu item from the top. > > Good luck finding your gear. > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 4 00:10:03 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:10:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com><7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> <49375B94.2050608@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <8F72BB5454F54CBE846F8A1AAE31766A@Edd> Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The other mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears > Right Edd, thanks. I was confused by the term pinion (automatically > thought the pinion was the gov offshoot). I'm confused by a few > terminologies actually. Spindle, pinion, with thread, with shaft > ...arggggg. I'll get my head around it soon, I hope. > > I was about to check FM maggy status with Graham, as I have an FM-J with > diag cut teeth, but there's 22 of them. That wouldn't work on a 48 or 50 > tooth cam gear. Now I'm wondering what FM engine it fits. :-( > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Edd Payne wrote: >> Hay Al read his post again,the 12 teeth is the governor gear. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Harris" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ >> gears >> >> >> >>> Firstly, I have no relatives that I know of in "mexico". >>> >>> Secondly, a 25-50-12 setup is going to put your timing out isn't it, by >>> 2 teeth per revolution. >>> >>> Don't you need a 25 tooth maggy gear running off the 50 tooth cam gear. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Al Harris >>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Graham Harris wrote: >>> >>>> Dammit 6 years of lurking ends just like that...I can't even remember >>>> how >>>> to post! >>>> >>>> Al Harris, I went down to my shed and counted the helical teeth remains >>>> on my ZAA gears for yer. All 3 are rooted but countable - 48 timing, 24 >>>> pinion, 11 governor. >>>> >>>> Now to fix my Z, I'd have to find 3 helical gears pretty well >>>> inmpossible >>>> so will be replacing with straight cut gears because my FMZ S/N is >>>> right >>>> near the change back to straight cut gears (1925). It's a rotary mag >>>> and >>>> therefor all I'd have to find/make is a 12 tooth governor gear which is >>>> 1.2" + 100 thou diameter for 12 teeth 10pitch. 25-50 tooth 10 pitch >>>> gears >>>> are pretty common for 1-1/2 HP engines, machining work needed though. >>>> 25-50-12 in straight cut keeps the correct centre distances. >>>> >>>> By the way - could we be related? >>>> >>>> Graham Harris, Melb, Oz >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Al Harris >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >>>> >>>> You must remember, I was more confused by the fact that my crankshaft >>>> gear has 24 teeth on it. So I was trying to count 48 teeth on the >>>> straight cut gear in the picture. :-( >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Al >>>> >>>> It's cleared my vision though, thanks fellas. ;-) >>>> >>>> The sad part is that a 48 tooth diagonally cut FMZ cam gear has not >>>> come >>>> into sight. :-( >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 4 00:57:56 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:57:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears In-Reply-To: <8F72BB5454F54CBE846F8A1AAE31766A@Edd> References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com><7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> <49375B94.2050608@rustic-engines.com> <8F72BB5454F54CBE846F8A1AAE31766A@Edd> Message-ID: <49379B94.8040708@rustic-engines.com> Yep, I have the AB33 Oscillating magneto already configured and mounted on the plate, waiting for a bump on a cam gear to hit it. :-( See, here we go with terminologies again. I take it "trip" is a short way of saying "oscillating" magneto because of the use of a "trip arm", and not to be confused with a "flick" magneto like the FM-J. I have a magneto for a FM-J for a Wisconsin if anybody is interested, because I can't see me getting one any time soon.. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Edd Payne wrote: > Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with > helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The other > mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 4 01:39:20 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:39:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com><7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> <49375B94.2050608@rustic-engines.com><8F72BB5454F54CBE846F8A1AAE31766A@Edd> <49379B94.8040708@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <2EDF6C50280547329BAB5C798B6BE4DF@Edd> Al.Trip, flick,oscillating are all the same,depends how you feel on the day and who you are talking to.The F/M J is an impulse mag. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears > Yep, I have the AB33 Oscillating magneto already configured and mounted > on the plate, waiting for a bump on a cam gear to hit it. :-( > > See, here we go with terminologies again. I take it "trip" is a short > way of saying "oscillating" magneto because of the use of a "trip arm", > and not to be confused with a "flick" magneto like the FM-J. > > I have a magneto for a FM-J for a Wisconsin if anybody is interested, > because I can't see me getting one any time soon.. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Edd Payne wrote: >> Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with >> helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The >> other >> mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 4 02:24:45 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:24:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears In-Reply-To: <2EDF6C50280547329BAB5C798B6BE4DF@Edd> References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com><7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> <49375B94.2050608@rustic-engines.com><8F72BB5454F54CBE846F8A1AAE31766A@Edd> <49379B94.8040708@rustic-engines.com> <2EDF6C50280547329BAB5C798B6BE4DF@Edd> Message-ID: <4937AFED.9040708@rustic-engines.com> My recollection is that when the pawl is triggered in the FM-J the spring tension "flicks", providing the impetus for the spark. Maybe I took "flick" to literally. I will use "impulse" in future. :-) Unless I feel a different impulse on the day. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Edd Payne wrote: > Al.Trip, flick,oscillating are all the same,depends how you feel on the day > and who you are talking to.The F/M J is an impulse mag. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears > > > >> Yep, I have the AB33 Oscillating magneto already configured and mounted >> on the plate, waiting for a bump on a cam gear to hit it. :-( >> >> See, here we go with terminologies again. I take it "trip" is a short >> way of saying "oscillating" magneto because of the use of a "trip arm", >> and not to be confused with a "flick" magneto like the FM-J. >> >> I have a magneto for a FM-J for a Wisconsin if anybody is interested, >> because I can't see me getting one any time soon.. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Edd Payne wrote: >> >>> Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with >>> helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The >>> other >>> mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 4 08:22:51 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:22:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4937579E.4080009@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Al: I see that your Z is one of the very rare "Clean Air" experimental versions with the plug in the exhaust. I think it failed because, as with most all "Clean Air" engines, it failed to make enough power to be useful. I didn't know that you Aussies had Smoke Police down there. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:08 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > Thank you Tommy. Your effort is appreciated and > if it is for the Z and > it has other little bits hanging off it, all the > better. :-) > > BTW did I post pics of the current progress ... > doesn't matter ... here > they are. > > > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/fmz021208/ > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 4 08:30:05 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:30:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: Message-ID: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > > I see that your Z is one of the very rare "Clean Air" experimental > versions with the plug in the exhaust. I think it failed because, as with most all "Clean Air" engines, it failed to make enough power to be useful.>>>> Those had the correct fuel air mixture installed at the factory , and once it has completed the aforementioned " 1 STROKE " it must be returned to the factory to have another fuel/air "cycle" reisntalled . I knew there was something other than a firearm that fit that description . This isnt a one stroke , but more correctly a "one cycle" . Not to be confused with the monowheel or monocycle . http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Agusta%20monowheel.jpg Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 4 10:52:09 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:52:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493826D9.4060501@rustic-engines.com> Not even close Elden. :-P psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Elden DuRand wrote: > Al: > > I see that your Z is one of the very rare "Clean Air" experimental versions with the plug in the exhaust. I think it failed because, as with most all "Clean Air" engines, it failed to make enough power to be useful. > > I didn't know that you Aussies had Smoke Police down there. > > Take care - Elden > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Al Harris >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:08 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >> Thank you Tommy. Your effort is appreciated and >> if it is for the Z and >> it has other little bits hanging off it, all the >> better. :-) >> >> BTW did I post pics of the current progress ... >> doesn't matter ... here >> they are. >> >> >>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/fmz021208/ >>> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 4 10:56:29 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:56:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> Pssst, Chuck, I got this other bridge in Sydeney if you're interested. I'm selling the London one to Elden. ;-) Don't you blokes know how to stop wasps from building mud huts for their offspring inside orifices? :-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Chuck Balyeat wrote: >> I see that your Z is one of the very rare "Clean Air" experimental >> versions >> > with the plug in the exhaust. I think it failed because, as with most all > "Clean Air" engines, it failed to make enough power to be useful.>>>> > > > Those had the correct fuel air mixture installed at the factory , > and once it has completed the aforementioned " 1 STROKE " > it must be returned to the factory to have another fuel/air "cycle" > reisntalled . I knew there was something other than a firearm that > fit that description . This isnt a one stroke , but more correctly a "one > cycle" . > Not to be confused with the monowheel or monocycle . > http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Agusta%20monowheel.jpg > > > > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 4 18:13:21 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:13:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <493826D9.4060501@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: If you'll deliver it free to the Redneck Riviera, we can dicker the price (as long as it's not over fifty bucks!). Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > Not even close Elden. :-P > > psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 4 19:27:58 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:27:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49389FBE.3060502@rustic-engines.com> My business savvy tells me I gotta be a mite careful here. Is that $US or $AU ???? Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Elden DuRand wrote: > If you'll deliver it free to the Redneck Riviera, we can dicker the price (as long as it's not over fifty bucks!). > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Al Harris >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >> Not even close Elden. :-P >> >> psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> > > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Dec 4 21:23:13 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:23:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ Message-ID: <34303.75850.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Edd and Al Nuh. Well maybe not...My ZAA fairbanks has the gear bracket that does not have the extra height build-up to seat the AB33 type. It therefore must be for a R-rotary. My bracket was potmetal now re-cast in iron using the glued-up original as a pattern. Still have to machine it, hence the shift to straight gears. So not all helical cut FMZ's only had the trip/osc magnetos. My Z BTW is on a lighting plant base. Originally the ignition would have been a buzz box on the hopper run from the "house batteries". I'm putting an R-type on because 1. it fits the bracket 2. I won't have "house batteries" connected, just the Z, cooled by the hopper (not radiator) and a magneto. Al - Mexico? Well I don't drink the Tequila down here, but the Vic Beer sure is better than the crap that comes from NSW :-) we call our glasses proper names too). PS Not just any helical gear will fit the FMZ gears. Go get a helical gear out of a car gearbox etc. It wont' mesh straight - I've tried that too. Graham Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The other mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 4 22:36:32 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:36:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ References: <34303.75850.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <267000C294B54E7492280329B3F986D5@Edd> Hi Graham.Going by all the literature I have when F/M went to the R mag they changed back to straight teeth.I have and have had many F/M engines and this is how it has been with all of them.This info comes from experience and what is written in 100 years of F/M and power from the past vol 3.But never say never.I have a 6HP tank cooled F/M and it has a flat gov bkt but it is still fitted with an AB33 and it is bolted down by the base bolt holes not held with the typical clamp across the top. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ > Edd and Al > > Nuh. Well maybe not...My ZAA fairbanks has the gear bracket that does not > have the extra height build-up to seat the AB33 type. It therefore must be > for a R-rotary. My bracket was potmetal now re-cast in iron using the > glued-up original as a pattern. Still have to machine it, hence the shift > to straight gears. So not all helical cut FMZ's only had the trip/osc > magnetos. My Z BTW is on a lighting plant base. Originally the ignition > would have been a buzz box on the hopper run from the "house batteries". > I'm putting an R-type on because 1. it fits the bracket 2. I won't have > "house batteries" connected, just the Z, cooled by the hopper (not > radiator) and a magneto. > > > Al - Mexico? Well I don't drink the Tequila down here, but the Vic Beer > sure is better than the crap that comes from NSW :-) we call our glasses > proper names too). > > PS Not just any helical gear will fit the FMZ gears. Go get a helical gear > out of a car gearbox etc. It wont' mesh straight - I've tried that too. > > Graham > > > > > > Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with > helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The other > mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > > > > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 4 23:30:29 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:30:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ In-Reply-To: <267000C294B54E7492280329B3F986D5@Edd> References: <34303.75850.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <267000C294B54E7492280329B3F986D5@Edd> Message-ID: <4938D895.7010402@rustic-engines.com> G'day fellas, My AB33 is bolted by its base to the bracket exactly as you describe Edd, as it has horseshoe magnets that aren't part of the body of the magneto. And hey, I don't have the literature or knowledge that you blokes do so I'll be in sponge mode. Not that I'll probably absorb a lot but I'll have a hardcopy. ;-) Thanks for the input. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Edd Payne wrote: > Hi Graham.Going by all the literature I have when F/M went to the R mag they > changed back to straight teeth.I have and have had many F/M engines and this > is how it has been with all of them.This info comes from experience and what > is written in 100 years of F/M and power from the past vol 3.But never say > never.I have a 6HP tank cooled F/M and it has a flat gov bkt but it is still > fitted with an AB33 and it is bolted down by the base bolt holes not held > with the typical clamp across the top. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Harris" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:23 PM > Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ > > > >> Edd and Al >> >> Nuh. Well maybe not...My ZAA fairbanks has the gear bracket that does not >> have the extra height build-up to seat the AB33 type. It therefore must be >> for a R-rotary. My bracket was potmetal now re-cast in iron using the >> glued-up original as a pattern. Still have to machine it, hence the shift >> to straight gears. So not all helical cut FMZ's only had the trip/osc >> magnetos. My Z BTW is on a lighting plant base. Originally the ignition >> would have been a buzz box on the hopper run from the "house batteries". >> I'm putting an R-type on because 1. it fits the bracket 2. I won't have >> "house batteries" connected, just the Z, cooled by the hopper (not >> radiator) and a magneto. >> >> >> Al - Mexico? Well I don't drink the Tequila down here, but the Vic Beer >> sure is better than the crap that comes from NSW :-) we call our glasses >> proper names too). >> >> PS Not just any helical gear will fit the FMZ gears. Go get a helical gear >> out of a car gearbox etc. It wont' mesh straight - I've tried that too. >> >> Graham >> >> >> >> >> >> Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with >> helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The other >> mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 4 23:45:50 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:45:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ References: <34303.75850.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com><267000C294B54E7492280329B3F986D5@Edd> <4938D895.7010402@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Al.If your AB33 has horseshoe magnets it has been altered at some time.I have had many people tell me you cant remagnetise the originals and have changed them, including mag blokes, which is rubbish I have just done a AB33 for a customer that had no magnets at all so I cut up a Lucas magnet and fitted the two flat pieces to either side and it works fine EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ > G'day fellas, > > My AB33 is bolted by its base to the bracket exactly as you describe > Edd, as it has horseshoe magnets that aren't part of the body of the > magneto. > > And hey, I don't have the literature or knowledge that you blokes do so > I'll be in sponge mode. > > Not that I'll probably absorb a lot but I'll have a hardcopy. ;-) Thanks > for the input. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Edd Payne wrote: >> Hi Graham.Going by all the literature I have when F/M went to the R mag >> they >> changed back to straight teeth.I have and have had many F/M engines and >> this >> is how it has been with all of them.This info comes from experience and >> what >> is written in 100 years of F/M and power from the past vol 3.But never >> say >> never.I have a 6HP tank cooled F/M and it has a flat gov bkt but it is >> still >> fitted with an AB33 and it is bolted down by the base bolt holes not held >> with the typical clamp across the top. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graham Harris" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:23 PM >> Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ >> >> >> >>> Edd and Al >>> >>> Nuh. Well maybe not...My ZAA fairbanks has the gear bracket that does >>> not >>> have the extra height build-up to seat the AB33 type. It therefore must >>> be >>> for a R-rotary. My bracket was potmetal now re-cast in iron using the >>> glued-up original as a pattern. Still have to machine it, hence the >>> shift >>> to straight gears. So not all helical cut FMZ's only had the trip/osc >>> magnetos. My Z BTW is on a lighting plant base. Originally the ignition >>> would have been a buzz box on the hopper run from the "house batteries". >>> I'm putting an R-type on because 1. it fits the bracket 2. I won't have >>> "house batteries" connected, just the Z, cooled by the hopper (not >>> radiator) and a magneto. >>> >>> >>> Al - Mexico? Well I don't drink the Tequila down here, but the Vic Beer >>> sure is better than the crap that comes from NSW :-) we call our glasses >>> proper names too). >>> >>> PS Not just any helical gear will fit the FMZ gears. Go get a helical >>> gear >>> out of a car gearbox etc. It wont' mesh straight - I've tried that too. >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M >>> with >>> helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The >>> other >>> mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 5 01:13:15 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:13:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ In-Reply-To: References: <34303.75850.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com><267000C294B54E7492280329B3F986D5@Edd> <4938D895.7010402@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <4938F0AB.3030608@rustic-engines.com> Edd, I'll keep that in mind for a future project, after I get the engine up and running. Did you have to remagnetise the two plates after the cut or did the metal retain its magnetic property? Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Edd Payne wrote: > Al.If your AB33 has horseshoe magnets it has been altered at some time.I > have had many people tell me you cant remagnetise the originals and have > changed them, including mag blokes, which is rubbish I have just done a AB33 > for a customer that had no magnets at all so I cut up a Lucas magnet and > fitted the two flat pieces to either side and it works fine > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ > > > >> G'day fellas, >> >> My AB33 is bolted by its base to the bracket exactly as you describe >> Edd, as it has horseshoe magnets that aren't part of the body of the >> magneto. >> >> And hey, I don't have the literature or knowledge that you blokes do so >> I'll be in sponge mode. >> >> Not that I'll probably absorb a lot but I'll have a hardcopy. ;-) Thanks >> for the input. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Edd Payne wrote: >> >>> Hi Graham.Going by all the literature I have when F/M went to the R mag >>> they >>> changed back to straight teeth.I have and have had many F/M engines and >>> this >>> is how it has been with all of them.This info comes from experience and >>> what >>> is written in 100 years of F/M and power from the past vol 3.But never >>> say >>> never.I have a 6HP tank cooled F/M and it has a flat gov bkt but it is >>> still >>> fitted with an AB33 and it is bolted down by the base bolt holes not held >>> with the typical clamp across the top. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Graham Harris" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:23 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Edd and Al >>>> >>>> Nuh. Well maybe not...My ZAA fairbanks has the gear bracket that does >>>> not >>>> have the extra height build-up to seat the AB33 type. It therefore must >>>> be >>>> for a R-rotary. My bracket was potmetal now re-cast in iron using the >>>> glued-up original as a pattern. Still have to machine it, hence the >>>> shift >>>> to straight gears. So not all helical cut FMZ's only had the trip/osc >>>> magnetos. My Z BTW is on a lighting plant base. Originally the ignition >>>> would have been a buzz box on the hopper run from the "house batteries". >>>> I'm putting an R-type on because 1. it fits the bracket 2. I won't have >>>> "house batteries" connected, just the Z, cooled by the hopper (not >>>> radiator) and a magneto. >>>> >>>> >>>> Al - Mexico? Well I don't drink the Tequila down here, but the Vic Beer >>>> sure is better than the crap that comes from NSW :-) we call our glasses >>>> proper names too). >>>> >>>> PS Not just any helical gear will fit the FMZ gears. Go get a helical >>>> gear >>>> out of a car gearbox etc. It wont' mesh straight - I've tried that too. >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M >>>> with >>>> helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The >>>> other >>>> mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. >>>> EDD PAYNE >>>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>>> Australia >>>> 2852 >>>> Phone:0263742387 >>>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>>> edsengns >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 5 07:50:33 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:50:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <49389FBE.3060502@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Negotiable - whatever's in my favor. Remember, we misbegotten Colonists are poor, downtrodden and whiny. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 09:28 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > My business savvy tells me I gotta be a mite careful here. > > Is that $US or $AU ???? > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > If you'll deliver it free to the Redneck > Riviera, we can dicker the price (as long as it's > not over fifty bucks!). > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >> Behalf Of Al Harris > >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > >> > >> > >> Not even close Elden. :-P > >> > >> psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Al Harris > >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 5 10:40:20 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:40:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49397594.9040306@rustic-engines.com> We could negotiate until "Lend Lease" becomes an option, yeah. :-) At least you don't have "penalist descendant" in your resume. :-( Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Elden DuRand wrote: > Negotiable - whatever's in my favor. Remember, we misbegotten Colonists are poor, downtrodden and whiny. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Al Harris >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 09:28 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >> My business savvy tells me I gotta be a mite careful here. >> >> Is that $US or $AU ???? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Elden DuRand wrote: >> >>> If you'll deliver it free to the Redneck >>> >> Riviera, we can dicker the price (as long as it's >> not over fifty bucks!). >> >>> Take care - Elden >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>> Behalf Of Al Harris >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> Not even close Elden. :-P >>>> >>>> psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 5 16:48:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:48:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <49397594.9040306@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Well, from what I've been told, one of my descendents came over in the brig of the Mayflower. Does that count? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:40 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > We could negotiate until "Lend Lease" becomes an > option, yeah. :-) > > At least you don't have "penalist descendant" in > your resume. :-( > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > Negotiable - whatever's in my favor. Remember, > we misbegotten Colonists are poor, downtrodden and whiny. > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >> Behalf Of Al Harris > >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 09:28 PM > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > >> > >> > >> My business savvy tells me I gotta be a mite > careful here. > >> > >> Is that $US or $AU ???? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Al Harris > >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > >> > >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com > >> > >> > >> > >> Elden DuRand wrote: > >> > >>> If you'll deliver it free to the Redneck > >>> > >> Riviera, we can dicker the price (as long as it's > >> not over fifty bucks!). > >> > >>> Take care - Elden > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >>>> Behalf Of Al Harris > >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM > >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list > >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Not even close Elden. :-P > >>>> > >>>> psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Al Harris > >>>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > >>>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 5 16:35:09 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:35:09 -0000 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: Message-ID: <001201c9573a$7fbef330$3a290556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Well, from what I've been told, one of my descendents came over in the brig of the Mayflower. Does that count? > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Hi Elden, where did you get the time machine from? It might have been more believable if one of your ancestors had come over. 8^)) Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 5 17:01:06 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:01:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4939CED2.3020805@rustic-engines.com> Only if your descendant walked with a pronounced limp. :-) And are you sure they didn't mean "in the brig the Mayflower". Wonder what happened to "da judge". Hope he didn't get lost in a blizzard between his cabin and his barn. :-( Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Elden DuRand wrote: > Well, from what I've been told, one of my descendents came over in the brig of the Mayflower. Does that count? > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Al Harris >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:40 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >> We could negotiate until "Lend Lease" becomes an >> option, yeah. :-) >> >> At least you don't have "penalist descendant" in >> your resume. :-( >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Elden DuRand wrote: >> >>> Negotiable - whatever's in my favor. Remember, >>> >> we misbegotten Colonists are poor, downtrodden and whiny. >> >>> Take care - Elden >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>> Behalf Of Al Harris >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 09:28 PM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> My business savvy tells me I gotta be a mite >>>> >> careful here. >> >>>> Is that $US or $AU ???? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>>> >>>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Elden DuRand wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> If you'll deliver it free to the Redneck >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Riviera, we can dicker the price (as long as it's >>>> not over fifty bucks!). >>>> >>>> >>>>> Take care - Elden >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>>>> Behalf Of Al Harris >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM >>>>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not even close Elden. :-P >>>>>> >>>>>> psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Al Harris >>>>>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 5 17:05:27 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:05:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <001201c9573a$7fbef330$3a290556@intrepid> References: <001201c9573a$7fbef330$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <4939CFD7.6020103@rustic-engines.com> Crikey, I missed that Dave. I didn't believe him anyway. The closest name I could find for one of Eldons ancestors was Doty ... oh well .... Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Dave Croft wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:48 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > >> Well, from what I've been told, one of my descendents came over in the brig of the Mayflower. Does that count? >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> > > Hi Elden, where did you get the time machine from? > It might have been more believable if one of your ancestors had come over. 8^)) > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 5 17:55:30 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:55:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U Message-ID: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com> One of the tasks with which I've been involved is writing for our club's newsletter. It's a monthly gig, and to provide variety, I sometimes churn out a brief article on whatever is holding my interest at that particular time. Today I was going over some of the work from the past year or so, and it occurred to me that several of the articles might be of interest to you folks. Just go to the web page at www.rustyiron.com and look at the right column, just below the top, for "Articles." Rob From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 5 19:20:17 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:20:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <001201c9573a$7fbef330$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: Oops, Dave! Shoulda said "one of my kinfolk from way back". Ain't got no dang Wayback Machine. Mea culpa. Sorry. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave Croft > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 06:35 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:48 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > > Well, from what I've been told, one of my > descendents came over in the brig of the > Mayflower. Does that count? > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Hi Elden, where did you get the time machine from? > It might have been more believable if one of your > ancestors had come over. 8^)) > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 5 19:22:01 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:22:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4939CFD7.6020103@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Al: Doty's the one. Done got writ up in Pilgrim's Progress. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 07:05 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > Crikey, I missed that Dave. I didn't believe him > anyway. The closest > name I could find for one of Eldons ancestors was > Doty ... oh well .... > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz From imatowie at bigpond.com Fri Dec 5 19:03:23 2008 From: imatowie at bigpond.com (Laurie) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:03:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp References: <574580C5CDE14DDEA771E17A31B812E1@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <58819D0DC0C3471E8F4E97967FC9B94B@maryeaa332b57f> Hi Ash, Head gaskets were available from - Automotive Surplus 34 Thornton Cres, Mitcham, VIC. Ph 03 98733566 Fax 03 98741485 They might still have some, I haven't bought any there for nearly 10 years. I've got a reproduction owners manual for the Moffat that's got your name on it, send me your address and I'll post it out to you. Regards, Laurie in Melbourne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ash Powell" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:20 PM Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp > Hey all, > > Well I picked up my first project today, Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp. > It looks to be in reasonable nick and is complete. > Hope you don't mind me flooding you with questions already.. ;p) > > There's a bit of rust in the water jacket but it should tidy up, im a fan > of phosphoric acid for eating rust - can anyone see an issue with using > this to eat the rust out of the inside? > > Its seized, ive got it filled with penetrant. > Can you offer any tips on freeing it up without damaging it? > > The head has been taken off and the gasket is missing - how do you source > these? > Make them? > > Also its missing a head stud, I think I can get one machined pretty > easily. > > Any advice appreciated! > Here's a pic for you - > http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/engines/moffat.jpg > > Cheers, > Ash > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 5 19:21:54 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:21:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4939EFD2.9070506@rustic-engines.com> So, Eldin, Eldon, Elden, Eldom ... is it Doty, Doity, Douty, Doety ... English wasn't English in there them days. :-) He got writ up a bit in courts too, usually as defendant. :-O Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Elden DuRand wrote: > Al: > > Doty's the one. Done got writ up in Pilgrim's Progress. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Al Harris >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 07:05 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >> Crikey, I missed that Dave. I didn't believe him >> anyway. The closest >> name I could find for one of Eldons ancestors was >> Doty ... oh well .... >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 5 20:48:42 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:48:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4939EFD2.9070506@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Al: It's Elden. AND, as far as I know, his name was Doty and he had a penchant for imbibing a wee bit of rum and pinching those Puritan ladies. Apparently, the elders took a dim view of that. .........He's supposed to be a very distant relative on my Mom's side via her Dad, who was a Dodd. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 09:22 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > So, Eldin, Eldon, Elden, Eldom ... is it Doty, > Doity, Douty, Doety ... > English wasn't English in there them days. :-) > > He got writ up a bit in courts too, usually as > defendant. :-O > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > Al: > > > > Doty's the one. Done got writ up in Pilgrim's Progress. > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >> Behalf Of Al Harris > >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 07:05 PM > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > >> > >> > >> Crikey, I missed that Dave. I didn't believe him > >> anyway. The closest > >> name I could find for one of Eldons ancestors was > >> Doty ... oh well .... > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Al Harris > >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Fri Dec 5 20:21:12 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:21:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Z Message-ID: <613691.38650.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gday Edd and Al - agree with all that. For the record my ZAA S/N is 595003 and I recall seeing on the serial number list that it is almost right on that changeover. That was what got me thinking and kinda lucky there, putting straight gears on an earlier serial number would have not been 'correct'. The gears are from a Bamford vertical. Due to a closed crankcase they're in good order so putting aside the finer points of gears, being from the same engine they should mesh good. Next to make a 12 tooth for the governor. Graham Hi Graham.Going by all the literature I have when F/M went to the R mag they changed back to straight teeth.I have and have had many F/M engines and this is how it has been with all of them.This info comes from experience and what is written in 100 years of F/M and power from the past vol 3.But never say never.I have a 6HP tank cooled F/M and it has a flat gov bkt but it is still fitted with an AB33 and it is bolted down by the base bolt holes not held with the typical clamp across the top. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Fri Dec 5 20:34:32 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:34:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz Message-ID: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All McMaster-Carr appears to have a good online range of gears to suit american engines and reasonable on price. When I emailed them a while ago they said won't ship/sell to Australia?? Has anyone had the same experience or managed to do business with them from Oz? Thanks Graham Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Dec 5 21:15:44 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:15:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz References: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76D3FF7846F74E048855FB0C79068B2C@reg6db4351094b> Due to being lucky enough to have engine friends in the USA. I have a friend buy and ship what I need under the circumstances you are facing. I then repay his out of pocket cost. This is about the only way. Ya throw yourself on the mercy of the list members. One will surely help you. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > Hi All > > McMaster-Carr appears to have a good online range of gears to suit > american engines and reasonable on price. When I emailed them a while ago > they said won't ship/sell to Australia?? Has anyone had the same > experience or managed to do business with them from Oz? > > > Thanks > > Graham > > > > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 5 23:25:31 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:25:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493A28EB.5020901@rustic-engines.com> LOL It seems it's easier to *drive* an Elden than it is to *drive an 'Olden. My research shows him as a servant, then a freeman, then a duelist (over a 15 year old child), then a trespasser (multiple times) ... I wouldn't include him as kin of mine. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Elden DuRand wrote: > Al: > > It's Elden. > > AND, as far as I know, his name was Doty and he had a penchant for imbibing a wee bit of rum and pinching those Puritan ladies. Apparently, the elders took a dim view of that. .........He's supposed to be a very distant relative on my Mom's side via her Dad, who was a Dodd. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 5 23:45:28 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:45:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz References: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9DB792AF36974FF8B4DB78F94EE891E9@PETER> Yes Reg, they told me that too, they must have had some bad dealings in the past, and also the bank transfer charges !!!. Pete, Oz > Hi All > > McMaster-Carr appears to have a good online range of gears to suit > american engines and reasonable on price. When I emailed them a while ago > they said won't ship/sell to Australia?? Has anyone had the same > experience or managed to do business with them from Oz? > > > Thanks > > Graham > > > > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat Dec 6 00:09:25 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:09:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone( A years Work) Message-ID: <000b01c95779$f5b2b9c0$6b74eedc@fred> BlankHi All, Its taken a year to assemble and restore the 3Hp Vertical Blackstone. The only part we were still missing was the Carburettor (Inspirator), the pattern was finished today. casting and machining will finally complete the project and we can return the temp carby to its own eng. It was an interesting project to arrange the manufacture of the pattern ,locate the right type of sand and chemicals to make the cores but worth the time and effort to see the eng.back as it should be. Photos of pattern on webshots, url. below. David Watts. (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Dec 6 07:15:27 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:15:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <493A28EB.5020901@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Al: That sounds about right. AND it doesn't bother me a bit. If you look back far enough, you will find miscreants in every family. There was also a horse thief on Mom's side and an escapee from the guillotine who married a Canadian indian on Dad's side. Big deal. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 01:26 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > LOL It seems it's easier to *drive* an Elden than > it is to *drive an 'Olden. > > My research shows him as a servant, then a > freeman, then a duelist (over > a 15 year old child), then a trespasser (multiple > times) ... I wouldn't > include him as kin of mine. :-) > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > Al: > > > > It's Elden. > > > > AND, as far as I know, his name was Doty and he > had a penchant for imbibing a wee bit of rum and > pinching those Puritan ladies. Apparently, the > elders took a dim view of that. .........He's > supposed to be a very distant relative on my > Mom's side via her Dad, who was a Dodd. > > > > Take care - Elden From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 6 08:32:50 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:32:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone( A years Work) In-Reply-To: <000b01c95779$f5b2b9c0$6b74eedc@fred> References: <000b01c95779$f5b2b9c0$6b74eedc@fred> Message-ID: <5CE4D654-96BB-48D7-9077-E2CEE767A7C1@rustyiron.com> On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:09 AM, Brian Watts wrote: > Hi All, > Its taken a year to assemble and restore the 3Hp Vertical Blackstone. > The only part we were still missing was the Carburettor > (Inspirator), the pattern was finished today. casting and machining > will finally complete the project and we can return the temp carby > to its own eng. > It was an interesting project to arrange the manufacture of the > pattern ,locate the right type of sand and chemicals to make the > cores but worth the time and effort to see the eng.back as it should > be. > Photos of pattern on webshots, url. below. > David Watts Hi, David. The Blackstone is coming along nicely, and those are some gorgeous looking patterns. Will you guys be pouring the iron, as well? Rob From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sun Dec 7 03:26:28 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:26:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] McMaster Carr enquiry Message-ID: <868749.87461.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And so they have Reg...via an off-list reply. Graham, Oz >Ya throw yourself on the mercy of the list members. One will surely help >you. >Reg & Marg Ingold. Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Dec 7 15:45:16 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:45:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U References: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> Good website and interesting articles Rob! It appears you and Kelly have been doing this for quite some time based on the hair and fashions!!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "Oldengine.org Engine" ; "Stationary-Engine ATIS" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U > One of the tasks with which I've been involved is writing for our > club's newsletter. It's a monthly gig, and to provide variety, I > sometimes churn out a brief article on whatever is holding my interest > at that particular time. > > Today I was going over some of the work from the past year or so, and > it occurred to me that several of the articles might be of interest to > you folks. > > Just go to the web page at www.rustyiron.com and look at the right > column, just below the top, for "Articles." > > Rob > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Dec 7 19:32:44 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:32:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U In-Reply-To: <005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com> <005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Mike Royster wrote: > It appears you and Kelly have > been doing this for quite some time based on the hair and > fashions!!!!! HEY NOW, Mike! All those pictures were taken within the last six months. Is this some kind of subtle commentary on our senses of style? Not all the pictures are of Rusty Metal. There are some Grunge Metal and Death Metal. What are you doin' home today, anyway? Are oil prices too low, so you decided to take a day off and cause a regional oil shortage? Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Dec 7 19:52:54 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:52:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U In-Reply-To: References: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com> <005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <5FADAFEB-1452-4718-89CE-281FD49935AC@rustyiron.com> On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > HEY NOW, Mike! All those pictures were taken within the last six > months. Is this some kind of subtle commentary on our senses of > style? > > Not all the pictures are of Rusty Metal. There are some Grunge Metal > and Death Metal. > > What are you doin' home today, anyway? Are oil prices too low, so you > decided to take a day off and cause a regional oil shortage? > > Rob > Sorry, Mike. SEL strips out all the important links from emails. Here is Grunge Metal for you: http://www.rustyiron.com/goobers.jpg And Death Metal for you: http://www.rustyiron.com/goobers.sabbath.jpg From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Dec 7 20:50:48 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:50:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U References: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com><005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> <5FADAFEB-1452-4718-89CE-281FD49935AC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <001e01c958f0$89e48520$66674b47@mikecomp> ROTFLOL!!!!!!!! Now thoseare the perfect Christmas cards! I think I have some of Steve from the same era.. Hey, I deserve to be home, we have $1.45 gas again. I am a bloody hero!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U > > On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >> HEY NOW, Mike! All those pictures were taken within the last six >> months. Is this some kind of subtle commentary on our senses of >> style? >> >> Not all the pictures are of Rusty Metal. There are some Grunge Metal >> and Death Metal. >> >> What are you doin' home today, anyway? Are oil prices too low, so you >> decided to take a day off and cause a regional oil shortage? >> >> Rob >> > > Sorry, Mike. > SEL strips out all the important links from emails. > Here is Grunge Metal for you: http://www.rustyiron.com/goobers.jpg > And Death Metal for you: http://www.rustyiron.com/goobers.sabbath.jpg > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Dec 8 02:36:18 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:36:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Crossley / Cooper Dip Posters Message-ID: <05E139FCE57C48CA9DDE1F967C8C19B9@KerryPC> Earlier this year someone posted a great English site with posters of Crossley engines and other farm related equipment. I seem to have lost the link. Can anyone please help in supplying the link. Thanks Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Dec 8 02:57:57 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:57:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Crossley / Cooper Dip Posters In-Reply-To: <05E139FCE57C48CA9DDE1F967C8C19B9@KerryPC> References: <05E139FCE57C48CA9DDE1F967C8C19B9@KerryPC> Message-ID: Thanks all. finally found it, as usual after an hour of searching sent the request for help and then found it. http://www.rhc.rdg.ac.uk/olib/images/nof/ Kerry From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 8 09:13:27 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:13:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U References: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com><005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> <5FADAFEB-1452-4718-89CE-281FD49935AC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <010801c95958$49f7cae0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > And Death Metal for you: http://www.rustyiron.com/goobers.sabbath.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Awwww , they share the same domain now !! From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 8 09:43:32 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:43:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> After never having an engine larger than 10hp, I've suddenly made two separate deals for big engines. Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, then this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From gastzt at aol.com Mon Dec 8 09:54:08 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:54:08 EST Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! Message-ID: Oh wow---would love to see a pic of the 18hp Stover---I have some Stovers---biggest is 8hp---NICE! Thanks so much Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx USA **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 8 10:13:45 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:13:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: On Dec 8, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Best, George wrote: > After never having an engine larger than 10hp, I've suddenly made two > separate deals for big engines. > > Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, > then > this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg > > George Right on, George. That's a beautiful engine. Stover pic? Rob P.S. The foreground and background engines look interesting, too. From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Dec 8 10:26:15 2008 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:26:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, Is that the one in AZ that was on Harry's and the guy is horrible about responding? Tom Winland Ohio> From: rskinner at rustyiron.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:13:45 -0800> Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month!> > > On Dec 8, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Best, George wrote:> > > After never having an engine larger than 10hp, I've suddenly made two> > separate deals for big engines.> >> > Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, > > then> > this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft.> >> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg> >> > George> > > Right on, George. That's a beautiful engine. Stover pic?> > Rob> > P.S.> The foreground and background engines look interesting, too.> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 8 10:28:18 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:28:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F3024@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Don't have any Stover pictures handy from work. I can load a few on server this evening and post a link to them. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:14 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! Right on, George. That's a beautiful engine. Stover pic? Rob P.S. The foreground and background engines look interesting, too. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 8 11:00:27 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:00:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F3153@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Tom, Yes, the engine is in Arizona. I haven't seen any of the engines I bought from him on Harry's. I think the problem you have is that the person that listed the engines on Harry's is NOT the seller. I don't know who Dave Bowers is, but he's listing engines that belong to Jim Chamberlain. Email me off list and I can give you the email address for Jim's secretary. She's the keeper of the list of engines that have been sold and which are still available. The ones currently listed on Harry's are still available as far as I know. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:26 AM To: SEL list Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! George, Is that the one in AZ that was on Harry's and the guy is horrible about responding? Tom Winland Ohio This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Dec 8 11:02:47 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:02:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, Did you do the deal we chatted about on the big Stover? Looks like you're getting into some HEAVY iron! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! After never having an engine larger than 10hp, I've suddenly made two separate deals for big engines. Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, then this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 9:38 AM From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 8 12:32:16 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:32:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: NICE additions george! Dave On Dec 8, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Best, George wrote: > After never having an engine larger than 10hp, I've suddenly made two > separate deals for big engines. > > Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, > then > this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg > > George From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 8 12:24:29 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:24:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F33E8@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Yep. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:03 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! George, Did you do the deal we chatted about on the big Stover? Looks like you're getting into some HEAVY iron! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Dec 8 15:49:07 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:49:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0FF3CA1E73444F2BB151BC7BC9048FB0@KerryPC> Well done George, great looking engine Kerry PS. do you still have to loose weight to be allowed to buy new engines :-)) Kerry From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 8 16:39:46 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:39:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New phot archive opened up Message-ID: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> A couple of clips from an archive I ran across http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-R78266%2C_AEG_Hennigsdorf%2C_Montagehalle.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-E12034%2C_Bei_Bromberg%2C_Stra%C3%9Fenbau.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-V00670A%2C_Berlin%2C_Auto_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-V00670%2C_Berlin%2C_Pkw_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H26751%2C_Hamburg%2C_Glockenlager_im_Freihafen.jpg The main index of the Bundesarchiv http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_the_German_Federal_Archive_by_year From george at irontrader.com Mon Dec 8 17:32:59 2008 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:32:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c9599e$12355640$36a002c0$@com> Here's a couple pictures of the 18hp Stover http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Stover18hp1.jpg http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Stover18hp2.jpg George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of gastzt at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:54 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! Oh wow---would love to see a pic of the 18hp Stover---I have some Stovers---biggest is 8hp---NICE! Thanks so much Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx USA **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From george at irontrader.com Mon Dec 8 17:38:54 2008 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:38:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <0FF3CA1E73444F2BB151BC7BC9048FB0@KerryPC> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0FF3CA1E73444F2BB151BC7BC9048FB0@KerryPC> Message-ID: <000101c9599e$e63ef400$b2bcdc00$@com> I need to lose weight, but no bargain was made to buy new engines. This comes under, it is easier to get forgiveness than permission ;-) -----Original Message----- PS. do you still have to loose weight to be allowed to buy new engines :-)) Kerry _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 8 17:51:15 2008 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <227253.67770.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, Replying a bit late, been away from the computer. While McMaster does have a lot of stuff, you generally pay more from them than you might have to from another source. It is very likely that the gears you need are originally from Boston Gear. I buy Boston Gear products for work through Motion Industries, a nation wide industrial supplier. Motion also has a branch in Australia http://www.motionind.com.au/ and I went to Boston Gear's website and they have distributors listed in Smithfield and Castle Hill NSW. I buy a lot from Motion, and they give me good pricing. I recently bough new drive chain for my Titan tractor and it was half the price from Motion that McMaster listed it for. Another Boston Gear product that is great is their Boston Bronze line of bushings and bushing stock. I can buy a bushing from them that is nearly to size, od a few thou over and id a bit under, and finish it to size on a mandrel for much less than I could buy the cored stock to make one from scratch. A handy resource for us engine guys. Later, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Graham Harris wrote: > From: Graham Harris > Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:34 PM > Hi All > > McMaster-Carr appears to have a good online range of gears > to suit american engines and reasonable on price. When I > emailed them a while ago they said won't ship/sell to > Australia?? Has anyone had the same experience or managed to > do business with them from Oz? > > > Thanks > > Graham > > > > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. > Enter now > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Dec 8 19:20:21 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:20:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! References: <000001c9599e$12355640$36a002c0$@com> Message-ID: George, Thats a nice big hunk of iron. It looks better than I thought it would. Are those the original trucks? Another plus! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! > Here's a couple pictures of the 18hp Stover > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Stover18hp1.jpg > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Stover18hp2.jpg > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > gastzt at aol.com > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:54 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! > > Oh wow---would love to see a pic of the 18hp Stover---I have some > Stovers---biggest is 8hp---NICE! Thanks so much > Stan Zettner > Pleasanton, Tx USA > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 > 010) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1838 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 6:16 PM From george at irontrader.com Mon Dec 8 19:42:35 2008 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:42:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: References: <000001c9599e$12355640$36a002c0$@com> Message-ID: <000001c959b0$2e6a14b0$8b3e3e10$@com> I think Kevin said they are Bettendorf (sp?) trucks, which is what I think Stover used. We're thinking this is an original portable engine. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! George, Thats a nice big hunk of iron. It looks better than I thought it would. Are those the original trucks? Another plus! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! > Here's a couple pictures of the 18hp Stover > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Stover18hp1.jpg > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Stover18hp2.jpg > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > gastzt at aol.com > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:54 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! > > Oh wow---would love to see a pic of the 18hp Stover---I have some > Stovers---biggest is 8hp---NICE! Thanks so much > Stan Zettner > Pleasanton, Tx USA > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 > 010) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1838 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 6:16 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Dec 9 02:13:17 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:13:17 -0000 Subject: [SEL] New phot archive opened up In-Reply-To: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <021301c959e6$c1ad4cc0$8335c53e@doc> That is fascinating - thanks for sharing! Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Chuck Balyeat > Sent: 09 December 2008 00:40 > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] New phot archive opened up > > A couple of clips from an archive I ran across > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Bundesarchi > v_Bild_183-R78266%2C_AEG_Hennigsdorf%2C_Montagehalle.jpg > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Bundesarchi > v_Bild_183-E12034%2C_Bei_Bromberg%2C_Stra%C3%9Fenbau.jpg > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bundesarchi > v_Bild_183-V00670A%2C_Berlin%2C_Auto_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bundesarchi > v_Bild_183-V00670%2C_Berlin%2C_Pkw_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Bundesarchi > v_Bild_183-H26751%2C_Hamburg%2C_Glockenlager_im_Freihafen.jpg > > The main index of the Bundesarchiv > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_the_Ger > man_Federal_Archive_by_year > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From obise at moscow.com Tue Dec 9 09:51:05 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:51:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New phot archive opened up In-Reply-To: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you for the links, Chuck. The pictures are fascinating, especially those from '39 to '45. There's no doubt about it, I'll be spending many hours browsing the archives. I was at a very impressionable age during WWII. The events of the time had a huge impact upon our daily lives. It seemed as though nearly every family had a father, brother, or uncle in uniform. We were reminded of wartime shortages and rationing every time we went shopping or sat down to the dinner table. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:40 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] New phot archive opened up A couple of clips from an archive I ran across http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-R78 266%2C_AEG_Hennigsdorf%2C_Montagehalle.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-E12 034%2C_Bei_Bromberg%2C_Stra%C3%9Fenbau.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-V00 670A%2C_Berlin%2C_Auto_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-V00 670%2C_Berlin%2C_Pkw_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H26 751%2C_Hamburg%2C_Glockenlager_im_Freihafen.jpg The main index of the Bundesarchiv http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_the_German_Federal_Ar chive_by_year _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Tue Dec 9 21:41:52 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:41:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: <227253.67770.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <227253.67770.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KBN00LKUBSO7BV5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> That is very true. McMaster has tons of stuff, but their prices are RIDICULOUS. -Tony At 07:51 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote: >Hello, >Replying a bit late, been away from the computer. >While McMaster does have a lot of stuff, you generally pay more from >them than you might have to from another source. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 9 23:01:59 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:01:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz References: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com><227253.67770.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0KBN00LKUBSO7BV5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Having been in theUSA many times, I am aware that, what we have come to regard as a 'reasonable' price, is sheer robbery in the USA. That is why I have a USA bank account. If ya lived in Oz, and had no, what do ya say, overseas comparison, you have NO awareness of how we are being ripped! So, THATS why the price seems good to locals here! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > That is very true. McMaster has tons of stuff, but their prices are > RIDICULOUS. > > -Tony > > > > At 07:51 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote: >>Hello, >>Replying a bit late, been away from the computer. >>While McMaster does have a lot of stuff, you generally pay more from >>them than you might have to from another source. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 10 03:45:06 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:45:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz References: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com><227253.67770.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0KBN00LKUBSO7BV5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <56CF897D0D224B2FBE7BCB3003F3F6B5@tommydk7hxjr4h> True Tony. In many cases you're paying for items being in stock and immediate delivery. If someone is just ordering 1/4 20 screws or 3/8 by inch bolts, you're much better off getting them from a local hardware. However, there are a lot of items McMaster carries that aren't carried at the locals. As long as I place an order by 3:00 pm one day, I can have the items delivered to my home by noon the next day. I could drive to a specialty hardware company in Louisville (50 miles) and could find the items, but by the time I drive an hour each way and burn 6 gallons of gas I'm better off ordering from McMaster. They're a good resource, not cheap, but often cheaper than when all considerations are given. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > That is very true. McMaster has tons of stuff, but their prices are > RIDICULOUS. > > -Tony > > > > At 07:51 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote: >>Hello, >>Replying a bit late, been away from the computer. >>While McMaster does have a lot of stuff, you generally pay more from >>them than you might have to from another source. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 4:53 PM From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 10 06:50:27 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:50:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: <56CF897D0D224B2FBE7BCB3003F3F6B5@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: I'm with you, Judge! I could save a little by shopping around but it's simply not worth the trouble. Also, they've never backordered anything I've ordered. Usually, I get the shipment the next day. McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing system and jillions of items in stock. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 05:45 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > > > True Tony. In many cases you're paying for items > being in stock and > immediate delivery. If someone is just ordering > 1/4 20 screws or 3/8 by > inch bolts, you're much better off getting them > from a local hardware. > However, there are a lot of items McMaster > carries that aren't carried at > the locals. As long as I place an order by 3:00 > pm one day, I can have the > items delivered to my home by noon the next day. > I could drive to a > specialty hardware company in Louisville (50 > miles) and could find the > items, but by the time I drive an hour each way > and burn 6 gallons of gas > I'm better off ordering from McMaster. They're a > good resource, not cheap, > but often cheaper than when all considerations are given. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony & Jackie" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > > > > That is very true. McMaster has tons of stuff, > but their prices are > > RIDICULOUS. > > > > -Tony From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 10 07:16:43 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:16:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Elden, They must have regional warehousing as most folks I talk with say they get next or second day deliveries. My orders come out of Lexington, KY I think so they don't have far to travel. I agree, they must have a lot of items in stock! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:50 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz I'm with you, Judge! I could save a little by shopping around but it's simply not worth the trouble. Also, they've never backordered anything I've ordered. Usually, I get the shipment the next day. McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing system and jillions of items in stock. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 10 07:19:12 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:19:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 10, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Elden DuRand wrote: > > McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing system and jillions of > items in stock. That about sums it up, Elden. Their Los Angeles facility is about 30-40 minutes from here, so when I'm REALLY in a hurry to get something, I can go to their will-call desk. It's a BIG place. And you know what? Their prices are not all that bad. One evening last week I needed some obscure bearings for a magneto. I couldn't figure out WHAT I needed and the old numbers just didn't jive with anything modern. Within five minutes of visiting the McM-C web page, my order was placed. The following morning an old jalopy van pulled up in front of the house, a guy hops out, hands me a box, and zooms off. How many other companies send a guy out in a van to deliver stuff (besides Dominos)? Oh, and the bearings? I don't remember the price, but I think the total was less than fifteen bucks. Delivery in twelve hours, and I didn't have to leave the house. Rob From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 08:41:33 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:41:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: References: <56CF897D0D224B2FBE7BCB3003F3F6B5@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <6f6025160812100841k13dddc72t2e013ca9b9e9f126@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > I'm with you, Judge! > > I could save a little by shopping around but it's simply not worth the > trouble. Also, they've never backordered anything I've ordered. Usually, I > get the shipment the next day. > > McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing system and jillions of items in > stock. > > Take care - Elden We have RS Components in the UK, I think they are overseas as well. They will deliver to you by courier if you cannot wait until next morning, and although their ranges are a bit restricted in engine terms, you can normally get things like Loctite, Bearings, Hardware etc etc. Going back to the 7/16" UNF Acorn/dome nuts which started this off, we found three places eventually, one in the UK that has them on ebay, but after three attempts to get details of thread depth etc out of the guy I gave up on him. One of the others replied to a request for pricing, but went quiet when I asked about 30+ prices. The last one just refuses to respond at all. What recession? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From pcgray at zoominternet.net Wed Dec 10 09:40:06 2008 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:40:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Gear source- Martin sprocket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <872E237B-0A69-4EBB-803C-AD70842F994F@zoominternet.net> Fellow ferrites- I recently bought some steel spur gears from Martin Sprocket (http://www.martinsprocket.com/home.htm ) for my 2 HP ARACO project. I needed a 3" 36 tooth and 6" 72 tooth 12 DP gears. Total with ship was ~110 bucks. These were solid 7/8" thick with a thick hub. Nice stuff to machine to enlarge the bores. The only down side is you have to purchase through a local distributor, but they came up with one close to me. You might want to compare them to Boston. Paul Gray From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 10 15:44:53 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:44:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Gear source- Martin sprocket In-Reply-To: <872E237B-0A69-4EBB-803C-AD70842F994F@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: Paul: I had a look at their site and will try to design-in a gearset into "The Homebrew Hvid" that I'm working on now. It looks like the nearest dealer for them is in the Tampa, FL area, about 400 miles from me. When I've got the parts spec'd., I'll call them and see if they'll ship to m Otherwise, I've got a roller chain and sprockets in the design now but would really like to have gears. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul + > Colleen Gray > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:40 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Gear source- Martin sprocket > > > Fellow ferrites- > > I recently bought some steel spur gears from > Martin Sprocket (http://www.martinsprocket.com/home.htm > ) for my 2 HP ARACO project. I needed a 3" 36 > tooth and 6" 72 tooth 12 > DP gears. Total with ship was ~110 bucks. These > were solid 7/8" thick > with a thick hub. Nice stuff to machine to > enlarge the bores. The > only down side is you have to purchase through a > local distributor, > but they came up with one close to me. You might > want to compare them > to Boston. > > Paul Gray > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Dec 10 17:22:35 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:22:35 EST Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question Message-ID: Hi List, Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care Manual with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in the garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity Auction? Francis Maciel 514 E. Taft Street Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 10 18:50:23 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:50:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question References: Message-ID: <000e01c95b3b$372bdf70$66674b47@mikecomp> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question > Hi List, > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care > Manual > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in the > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity Auction? > > Francis Maciel > 514 E. Taft Street > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Dec 10 19:15:24 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:15:24 EST Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question Message-ID: Mike, I'll put it up on the auction site. Does your Jeep have the governor, PTO, or winch? This manual covers them. It also addresses how to plow methods. Francis Maciel 514 E. Taft Street Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 12/10/2008 6:58:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mr at carolina.rr.com writes: Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 10 19:23:16 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:23:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question References: Message-ID: <002001c95b3f$cf249c00$66674b47@mikecomp> I have a PTO, looking forward to bidding! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question > Mike, > I'll put it up on the auction site. > Does your Jeep have the governor, PTO, or winch? This manual covers > them. > It also addresses how to plow methods. > > > Francis Maciel > 514 E. Taft Street > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > In a message dated 12/10/2008 6:58:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > mr at carolina.rr.com writes: > > Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! > > > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Dec 10 19:35:40 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:35:40 EST Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question Message-ID: Mike, It has been posted. The manual has 68 pages. Francis Maciel 514 E. Taft Street Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 12/10/2008 7:28:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mr at carolina.rr.com writes: I have a PTO, looking forward to bidding! **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 10 19:42:54 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:42:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question References: Message-ID: <000f01c95b42$8d492500$66674b47@mikecomp> Thanks Francis! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question > Mike, > It has been posted. > The manual has 68 pages. > > > Francis Maciel > 514 E. Taft Street > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > In a message dated 12/10/2008 7:28:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > mr at carolina.rr.com writes: > > I have a PTO, looking forward to bidding! > > > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 11 11:05:36 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:05:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Whippet engin and transmission - OT Message-ID: <1229022336.4941648061e6f@webmail.city-net.com> Folks, If you have any interest or information to share, contact Marie Lloyd directly at m4lloyd at comcast.net She is not on any of the lists. See ya, Arnie ----- Forwarded message from m4lloyd at comcast.net ----- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:14:47 +0000 From: m4lloyd at comcast.net Reply-To: m4lloyd at comcast.net Subject: Whippet engin and transmission To: fero_ah at city-net.com Arnie, I got your email off Oldengine.org. My brother has decided to try and sell the old pile of what I thought was just metal behind the barn. Imagine my surprise when I looked up what he told me it was. A 1928 Whippet engine and transmission. I feel that this needs more specialized attention than just putting it on eBay. If you have any contacts who would be interested in it or could even give me a starting value to place on it for an eBay listing I would be grateful. Thanks for your time. Marie Lloyd m4lloyd at comcast.net From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 11 13:37:22 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:37:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Whippet engin and transmission - OT In-Reply-To: <1229022336.4941648061e6f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Marie: Believe it or not, I once owned a '28 Whippet! It had the four cylinder engine, so similar to the later "coal scuttle" Willys car engine that a lot of parts would interchange. Is the engine a four or six cylinder? Maybe one of these outfits could help: Antique Automobile Club of America http://www.aaca.org/ Veteran Motor Car Club of America http://www.vmcca.org/ Willys Overland Knight Registry http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/wokr/gallery/gallery3.htm I hope this helps! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 01:06 PM > To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine; Slick Willy > Cc: m4lloyd at comcast.net > Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Whippet engin and transmission - OT > > > Folks, > > If you have any interest or information to share, > contact Marie Lloyd directly > at m4lloyd at comcast.net She is not on any of the lists. > > See ya, Arnie > > ----- Forwarded message from m4lloyd at comcast.net ----- > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:14:47 +0000 > From: m4lloyd at comcast.net > Reply-To: m4lloyd at comcast.net > Subject: Whippet engin and transmission > To: fero_ah at city-net.com > > Arnie, I got your email off Oldengine.org. My > brother has decided to try and > sell the old pile of what I thought was just > metal behind the barn. Imagine my > surprise when I looked up what he told me it was. > A 1928 Whippet engine and > transmission. I feel that this needs more > specialized attention than just > putting it on eBay. If you have any contacts who > would be interested in it or > could even give me a starting value to place on > it for an eBay listing I would > be grateful. > > Thanks for your time. > > Marie Lloyd > m4lloyd at comcast.net From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 11 12:54:57 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:54:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Whippet engin and transmission - OT References: Message-ID: A little history. Skip http://www.hubcapcafe.com/ocs/pages01/whippet2801.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Whippet engin and transmission - OT > Marie: > > Believe it or not, I once owned a '28 Whippet! It had the four cylinder > engine, so similar to the later "coal scuttle" Willys car engine that a > lot of parts would interchange. > > Is the engine a four or six cylinder? > > Maybe one of these outfits could help: > > Antique Automobile Club of America > http://www.aaca.org/ > > Veteran Motor Car Club of America > http://www.vmcca.org/ > > Willys Overland Knight Registry > http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/wokr/gallery/gallery3.htm > > I hope this helps! > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of >> fero_ah at city-net.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 01:06 PM >> To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine; Slick Willy >> Cc: m4lloyd at comcast.net >> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Whippet engin and transmission - OT >> >> >> Folks, >> >> If you have any interest or information to share, >> contact Marie Lloyd directly >> at m4lloyd at comcast.net She is not on any of the lists. >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> ----- Forwarded message from m4lloyd at comcast.net ----- >> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:14:47 +0000 >> From: m4lloyd at comcast.net >> Reply-To: m4lloyd at comcast.net >> Subject: Whippet engin and transmission >> To: fero_ah at city-net.com >> >> Arnie, I got your email off Oldengine.org. My >> brother has decided to try and >> sell the old pile of what I thought was just >> metal behind the barn. Imagine my >> surprise when I looked up what he told me it was. >> A 1928 Whippet engine and >> transmission. I feel that this needs more >> specialized attention than just >> putting it on eBay. If you have any contacts who >> would be interested in it or >> could even give me a starting value to place on >> it for an eBay listing I would >> be grateful. >> >> Thanks for your time. >> >> Marie Lloyd >> m4lloyd at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1843 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:36 AM From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 11 13:50:55 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:50:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about finding time to work on the non-running engines. At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it run. Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running condition? Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have? At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals you just can't pass up ;-) ) George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 14:14:52 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:14:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812111414v592bac65j6e933e6989358a4d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/12/2008, Best, George wrote: > At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd > better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones > running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals > you just can't pass up ;-) ) > > George It's an ongoing process for most folks, I'd guess. We have about 25 engines/generators, plus or minus 2 or 3 that we may have forgotten about. If someone called tomorrow with a desirable engine at a price that we could afford, I'd be interested. I guess that says that we wouldn't buy 'anything', regardless of price etc. The running to non-running ratio is fairly high, probably 5 or 6 are fully operational, most are in the queue for work or funds, maybe 10 could be runners fairly quickly. Some, like the Caterpillar singles are needing a fair bit of 'creative engineering' to get working, although the basic engines are all there, just missing exhausts and air cleaners and a starter system Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 11 14:21:38 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:21:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <26C63F65AC764CECA858BB8040F14E40@reg6db4351094b> All my stuff is in running condition. In theory! Practice is a different tale. Stale fuel is the greatest cause of 'Fail to start'. Now, the latest from our lot is that unleaded fuel will not be available without Ethanol. Even though a lot of makers warn against this. Sigh! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners >I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have > at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would > probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the > ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects > as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. > > I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about > finding time to work on the non-running engines. > > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. > > Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a > visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it > run. > > Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running > condition? > > Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have? > > At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd > better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones > running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals > you just can't pass up ;-) ) > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 11 14:26:15 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:26:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle Message-ID: <9836BEB7A0A446C4B4CB330FA567EC49@PETER> Hi guys Has anyone in the US heard of the "The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle", circa 1889. Very interested in hearing from anyone who has data or info on Sweeney and his invention!! I have no idea if it was patented. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Dec 11 14:52:16 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:52:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> My ratio is BAD..... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners >I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have > at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would > probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the > ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects > as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. > > I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about > finding time to work on the non-running engines. > > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. > > Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a > visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it > run. > > Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running > condition? > > Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have? > > At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd > better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones > running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals > you just can't pass up ;-) ) > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1843 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:36 AM From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Dec 11 14:11:42 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:42 EST Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2008 4:59:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! I always knew you were a smart man George. Mine are probably 2 non to 1 running also. Working on a 5 Hercules at the moment an Amish fellow called me to see if I could help him out. Some minor problems to work out, but nothing major. Should be working on my own instead. Hard to figure how to charge a man for my work, as it is nice to see one run again. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Dec 11 15:17:43 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:17:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle In-Reply-To: <9836BEB7A0A446C4B4CB330FA567EC49@PETER> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081211181419.0258b9e0@ncweb.com> Several hits on Google. http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,98877 Many photos of UP engines show the fat "Sweeney stack". I'd suspect that it was a multiple port nozzle with the ports spaced rather far apart, so each could generate draft without interaction with adjacent nozzles. Dave Merchant At 05:26 PM 12/11/2008, you wrote: >Hi guys > >Has anyone in the US heard of the "The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle", >circa 1889. Very interested in hearing from anyone who has data or info on >Sweeney and his invention!! I have no idea if it was patented. > > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 11 16:06:54 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:06:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081211181419.0258b9e0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <9A8B251B8C084A1AAB79BF7E45519C75@PETER> Hi David Thank mate, did not see that link before when I was looking. Arnie will come back now and say what did I find on R&V, well Arnie, read the book ;-))) I had a MAJOR break through on R&V today and the book is back on the drawing board in earnest. What does UP stand for, is it Union Pacific ?? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Several hits on Google. > > http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,98877 > > Many photos of UP engines show the fat "Sweeney stack". > > I'd suspect that it was a multiple port nozzle with the ports spaced > rather far apart, so each could generate draft without interaction > with adjacent nozzles. > > Dave Merchant > > > At 05:26 PM 12/11/2008, you wrote: >>Hi guys >> >>Has anyone in the US heard of the "The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle", >>circa 1889. Very interested in hearing from anyone who has data or info on >>Sweeney and his invention!! I have no idea if it was patented. >> >> >>Regards >>Peter Lowe >>R&V Engine Registrar >>Australia >>Ph: 61-266453455 >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Dec 11 17:12:29 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:12:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle In-Reply-To: <9A8B251B8C084A1AAB79BF7E45519C75@PETER> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081211181419.0258b9e0@ncweb.com> <9A8B251B8C084A1AAB79BF7E45519C75@PETER> Message-ID: <38F927E2-C99E-450B-9BCB-61CE587E0C48@rustyiron.com> On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > I had a MAJOR break through > What does UP stand for, Hey ya ol' swagman! Up is what you're pointing at when you stick your finger in the air and shimmy your rump, like in Saturday Night Fever, unless you live in Oz, in which case you're pointing DOWN. So what's this major breakthrough that you figured out today? That Kaye could have done MUCH better? That Marmite is better than Vegemite? Do TELL! Rob From swebre at hotmail.com Thu Dec 11 17:24:09 2008 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:24:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) -Steve- Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question > Hi List, > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care > Manual > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in the > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity Auction? > > Francis Maciel > 514 E. Taft Street > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 11 17:30:12 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:30:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4941BEA4.9060003@rustic-engines.com> Just throw the FMZ diag cam gear + ancillaries my way, then it will be *less* BAD. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > My ratio is BAD..... > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 PM > Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners > > > >> I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have >> at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would >> probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the >> ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects >> as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. >> >> I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about >> finding time to work on the non-running engines. >> >> At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. >> >> Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a >> visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it >> run. >> >> Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running >> condition? >> >> Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have? >> >> At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd >> better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones >> running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals >> you just can't pass up ;-) ) >> >> George >> >> > From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Dec 11 17:48:59 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:48:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 References: Message-ID: <002501c95bfb$ce134ca0$66674b47@mikecomp> OUCH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > > And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... > > heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) > > -Steve- > > > > > > > > Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! > > Mike Royster > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:22 PM > Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question > > >> Hi List, >> Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >> Manual >> with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in the >> garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >> Auction? >> >> Francis Maciel >> 514 E. Taft Street >> Santa Maria, CA 93454 >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Dec 11 17:50:49 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> All mine run. Some just havent run in a long time. Some are missing parts OK Ok, almost all of my engines run but 3, I think. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners >I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have > at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would > probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the > ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects > as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. > > I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about > finding time to work on the non-running engines. > > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. > > Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a > visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it > run. > > Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running > condition? > > Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have? > > At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd > better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones > running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals > you just can't pass up ;-) ) > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 11 18:18:47 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:18:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 References: <002501c95bfb$ce134ca0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <9AFF109D003643FA9D35D9917707F6CA@reg6db4351094b> No sympathy! Ya opened yer mouth, ya cop the flack!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > OUCH > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Webre" > To: "sel" > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > > >> >> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >> >> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >> >> Mike Royster >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:22 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question >> >> >>> Hi List, >>> Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >>> Manual >>> with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >>> the >>> garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >>> Auction? >>> >>> Francis Maciel >>> 514 E. Taft Street >>> Santa Maria, CA 93454 >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Dec 11 18:20:25 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:20:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4941BEA4.9060003@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <2CA5D1465A264EC08C9108CFAD57DEDC@tommydk7hxjr4h> Al, I went yesterday aftenoon and dug for about an hour looking for that cam gear that may or may not be what your looking for. Thought I knew exactly the bucket it was in ..... but it wasn't. I'll find it (I think) so you can see if its what you need. It will be a couple of days though as I'm heading out to pick up some iron late tomorrow and won't be back until Sunday. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners > Just throw the FMZ diag cam gear + ancillaries my way, then it will be > *less* BAD. ;-) > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> My ratio is BAD..... >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Best, George" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners >> >> >> >>> I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have >>> at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would >>> probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the >>> ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects >>> as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. >>> >>> I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about >>> finding time to work on the non-running engines. >>> >>> At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. >>> >>> Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a >>> visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it >>> run. >>> >>> Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running >>> condition? >>> >>> Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have? >>> >>> At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd >>> better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones >>> running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals >>> you just can't pass up ;-) ) >>> >>> George >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1843 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:36 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 11 18:58:56 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:58:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <2CA5D1465A264EC08C9108CFAD57DEDC@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4941BEA4.9060003@rustic-engines.com> <2CA5D1465A264EC08C9108CFAD57DEDC@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4941D370.30306@rustic-engines.com> You're excused. :-) Just don't dump the new old iron you bring home, on top of the bucket you can't find. ;-) BTW my two Villiers 4-strokes, a Villiers mkviiic 2-stroke, two Rosebery verticals and a JLO Backpack Sprayer work. The FMZ ruins a perfect score. A ratio of 7 to 1, but it's only a small data sample eh. :-( Then again, It's all in a small shed (single car garage). Some one mentioned "non-runners jammed", the only two "unjammed" engines I got were the two 2-strokes. I learnt a great deal from the jammed ones, new words and all. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Sitting in his boardshorts on the porch after chowing down/having a bite/eating lunch, sipping a Fosters. Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Al, > I went yesterday aftenoon and dug for about an hour looking for that cam > gear that may or may not be what your looking for. Thought I knew exactly > the bucket it was in ..... but it wasn't. I'll find it (I think) so you can > see if its what you need. It will be a couple of days though as I'm heading > out to pick up some iron late tomorrow and won't be back until Sunday. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners > > > >> Just throw the FMZ diag cam gear + ancillaries my way, then it will be >> *less* BAD. ;-) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >>> My ratio is BAD..... >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> > From kimmell at verizon.net Thu Dec 11 20:49:11 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:49:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: References: <56CF897D0D224B2FBE7BCB3003F3F6B5@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <0KBQ004O4YOVU461@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> I make deliveries to their Elmhurst, IL warehouse all the time. It's a HUGE place that takes up probably 40-50 acres of land. I comparison shop everything, so that's probably why they seem high to me. I can go pick stuff up there whenever I go in to make a delivery, so the shipping part isn't such a big deal to me. You do have a good point about the availability though. I don't think there's much of anything they have to backorder. The woman in receiving told me that they stock almost 99% of the stuff that is in their catalog. -Tony At 08:50 AM 12/10/2008, you wrote: >I'm with you, Judge! > >I could save a little by shopping around but it's simply not worth >the trouble. Also, they've never backordered anything I've >ordered. Usually, I get the shipment the next day. > >McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing system and jillions of >items in stock. > >Take care - Elden From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 11 21:05:47 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:05:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U In-Reply-To: <001e01c958f0$89e48520$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com><005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> <5FADAFEB-1452-4718-89CE-281FD49935AC@rustyiron.com> <001e01c958f0$89e48520$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <1229058347.4941f12b58e5c@webmail.city-net.com> Bless your heart... 8-)) Quoting Mike Royster : > Hey, I deserve to be home, we have $1.45 > gas again. I am a bloody hero!!! From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 11 22:18:42 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:18:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229062722.49420242ac6ec@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Elden, And after having dealt with McM, how do you feel when you order something from another company and they tell you that it will be delivered in 4-6 weeks!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Elden DuRand : > I could save a little by shopping around but it's simply not worth the > trouble. Also, they've never backordered anything I've ordered. Usually, I > get the shipment the next day. > > McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing system and jillions of items in > stock. From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 11 22:58:00 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:58:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081211181419.0258b9e0@ncweb.com><9A8B251B8C084A1AAB79BF7E45519C75@PETER> <38F927E2-C99E-450B-9BCB-61CE587E0C48@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: > On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> I had a MAJOR break through > >> What does UP stand for, > > > Hey ya ol' swagman! > Up is what you're pointing at when you stick your finger in the air > and shimmy your rump, like in Saturday Night Fever, unless you live in > Oz, in which case you're pointing DOWN. So what's this major > breakthrough that you figured out today? That Kaye could have done > MUCH better? That Marmite is better than Vegemite? Do TELL! > > Rob Hey Amigo you bean muncher, you will have to try harder than that to pry it from me. Pete, Oz From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Dec 11 23:12:14 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:12:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Message-ID: <20081211.231215.724.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Score: Runners 18, Non runners 20. But it was 19 to 19 until I took the FriscoStandard apart to weld cylinder. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIRXfdzEj02A8qpXat8ofocoYO1043E1LVSOYVqXv1UcV/ From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 12 00:46:07 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:46:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please Message-ID: Hi Guys What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what it means until I just stumbled across something on the Web today to do with R&V. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Dec 12 00:47:18 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:47:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle In-Reply-To: <9A8B251B8C084A1AAB79BF7E45519C75@PETER> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081211181419.0258b9e0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081211195620.040fb2f0@ncweb.com> Union Pacific. Still a major player, and has had a great steam excursion program with some awesome engines for many years. Since they deal with long distances and several major grades (banks), they have long been involved in huge high horsepower locomotives, including the three cylinder 4-12-2's, 4-6-6-4 Challenger, 4-8-8-4 Big Boy, and awesome big 4-8-4 Northerns for passenger trains. Then a series of huge gas turbines, then the GM DD series and Alco equivalent diesels, with essentially 2 locos mounted on one long frame, on either 4 span bolster trucks or huge 4 axle trucks. They've now settled on lining up long strings of the highest horsepower diesels the builders have to offer. Absorbed ailing Southern Pacific + its subsidiaries a few years ago. We see a lot of their power on run-throughs in the eastern US, as we live near the old NYC main line (CSX), used to go watch the 20th Century Limited fly through. If a loco is clean, UP still owns it, since they sell slightly used engines to leasing companies as soon as the ashtray gets dirty. The US is now 4 major RRs, plus a bunch of healthy regionals. UP and BNSF west of the Mississippi, and NS + CSX east of Big Muddy. UP = UP +SP BNSF = CB+Q, Great Northern, Northern Pacific, Santa Fe NS = Norfolk + Western, NKP, Southern, Seaboard, ACL. CSX = B+O, C+O, Wabash We live west of GE Erie, so we see blocks of new engines being delivered to UP + BNSF every friday night. They line up the week's production and send them out Friday. Dave Merchant At 07:06 PM 12/11/2008, you wrote: >Hi David >Thank mate, did not see that link before when I was looking. >Arnie will come back now and say what did I find on R&V, well Arnie, read >the book ;-))) I had a MAJOR break through on R&V today and the book is back >on the drawing board in earnest. > >What does UP stand for, is it Union Pacific ?? > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > > > Several hits on Google. > > > > http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,98877 > > > > Many photos of UP engines show the fat "Sweeney stack". > > > > I'd suspect that it was a multiple port nozzle with the ports spaced > > rather far apart, so each could generate draft without interaction > > with adjacent nozzles. > > > > Dave Merchant > > > > > > At 05:26 PM 12/11/2008, you wrote: > >>Hi guys > >> > >>Has anyone in the US heard of the "The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle", > >>circa 1889. Very interested in hearing from anyone who has data or info on > >>Sweeney and his invention!! I have no idea if it was patented. > >> > >> > >>Regards > >>Peter Lowe > >>R&V Engine Registrar > >>Australia > >>Ph: 61-266453455 > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Dave Merchant > > kosh at nesys.com > > nesys_com at ameritech.net > > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > > > http://www.nesys.com > > http://www.nesys.org > > YouTube: SteamCrane > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Dec 12 01:12:55 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:12:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081212041156.028b5c50@ncweb.com> Yes. Don't know if they have any presence outside the US. Dave Merchant At 03:46 AM 12/12/2008, you wrote: >Hi Guys > >What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand >for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? >I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what it >means until I just stumbled across something on the Web today to do with R&V. > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 01:26:14 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:26:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <9836BEB7A0A446C4B4CB330FA567EC49@PETER> Message-ID: <982288.86796.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, Bill Young ( in Japan ) here. Just out of curiosity, I opened the SPAM file and found a bunch of your items about Japanese engines and shows.? As I read each one of them, unbeknown-st to me, it got deleted.? If anyone saved a list of those sites, I would appreciate receiving -- off line OK.? wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp ? Yes, things are done differently here.? Insurance schemes and safety practices are unknown.? I have yet to see a Japanese engine mounted on a cart.? I have never seen an open crank engine, ditto hit 'n miss.? EK magnetos were copied and produced locally, some exact copies, some with variations? -- the iol hole for example or a single hefty magnet. ? There are different clubs, many of which have their own banners and members wear club overalls or t-shirts.? If there are club news letters, I don't know about them -- nor could I read one if it were in my hand right now. ? On the other hand, how many of you lads have seen a western 4 cycle engine with both intake and exhaust valves operated by one push rod?? ? By the way, I live alone and have a couple extra futons.? Wanna stop by for a while and have a look see??? The welcome mat is always out.? Arnie has been promising for years, but always too busy chasing those atoms, isotopes and bucks.? ( Arnie-san, is that all you chase?)? ? If you don't already know Wakahara-san, you probably will, sooner or later.? He is making and selling a battery operated?engine starter.? He has mounted a hefty truck starter motor on a pogo-stick-like contraption, pushes it next to a flywheel, energizes and spins up the engine.? No fuss, no muss, no bother.? ?? Mind the RPMs, Keep in touch, Bill From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 12 02:25:00 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:25:00 -0000 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please References: Message-ID: <002201c95c43$e4646a00$3a290556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please > Hi Guys > What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? > I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what it means until I just stumbled across something > on the Web today to do with R&V. > Regards > Peter Lowe Hi Peter, I wondered why you didn't just google the question but when I tried it I found no one will give you the answer. see http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/SAE which seems to suggest either "Society of Automotive Engineers" or "Society of American Engineers". I hope someone knows more! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 12 02:38:30 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:38:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets References: <982288.86796.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14298816A2DE4CC0B7E2B4DBFC761A89@PETER> Hi Bill It was me that posted the Japanese engine shows from links that Wakahara-san sent me. He has a nice R&V engine as well as other nice stuff. Some of the pages are memory hungry, large files but you can get lost in these sites for hours, great shots of collections in another country. This is good viewing for you Yanks when cabin fever sets in. http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyounoyu3.html http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/hatudouki.html http://jh1ubk.my.coocan.jp/18/nagano1.html http://jh1ubk.my.coocan.jp/ http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyounoyu.html Thank goodness for Google translater ;-)) ????? Oil Engine Peter, Australia Hi Guys, Bill Young ( in Japan ) here. Just out of curiosity, I opened the SPAM file and found a bunch of your items about Japanese engines and shows. As I read each one of them, unbeknown-st to me, it got deleted. If anyone saved a list of those sites, I would appreciate receiving -- off line OK. wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp Yes, things are done differently here. Insurance schemes and safety practices are unknown. I have yet to see a Japanese engine mounted on a cart. I have never seen an open crank engine, ditto hit 'n miss. EK magnetos were copied and produced locally, some exact copies, some with variations -- the iol hole for example or a single hefty magnet. There are different clubs, many of which have their own banners and members wear club overalls or t-shirts. If there are club news letters, I don't know about them -- nor could I read one if it were in my hand right now. On the other hand, how many of you lads have seen a western 4 cycle engine with both intake and exhaust valves operated by one push rod? By the way, I live alone and have a couple extra futons. Wanna stop by for a while and have a look see? The welcome mat is always out. Arnie has been promising for years, but always too busy chasing those atoms, isotopes and bucks. ( Arnie-san, is that all you chase?) If you don't already know Wakahara-san, you probably will, sooner or later. He is making and selling a battery operated engine starter. He has mounted a hefty truck starter motor on a pogo-stick-like contraption, pushes it next to a flywheel, energizes and spins up the engine. No fuss, no muss, no bother. Mind the RPMs, Keep in touch, Bill _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Dec 12 02:56:05 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:56:05 +0900 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please References: Message-ID: Peter, Society of Automotive Engineers threads [ SAE]. Identical thread form to the American National Standard Thread. They were developed in a wide range of sizes and fits by the Association of Liceneced Automobile Manufacturers[A.L.A.M.] to the recomended standards of 1906.These covered threads of 1/4 to 3/4 with 28 to 16 threads per inch.The ALAM standard was adopted and extended to 1 1/2 Inch in 1911by the SAE as the S.A.E. Screw Standard.In 1915 this was again extended and refered to as the S.A.E. Coarse Series.In 1918 the SAE Fine series was extended downward from 1 1/2 to1/4 inch mainly for aeronautical use The presentCoarse[NC]Serieswas the formerAmerican National Standard. There is a hellof a lot more about this thread ,hope this explains it. From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:46 PM Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please > Hi Guys > > What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand > for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? > I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what it > means until I just stumbled across something on the Web today to do with > R&V. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Dec 12 03:01:52 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:01:52 +0900 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please References: <002201c95c43$e4646a00$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <415EB5E7BFB642FB9CABFA81B85AC15F@your9e74d7efa7> Just to confuse you ,there are in fact 6 thread forms that come under S.A.E. They are N.C ,N.F. ,N.E.F [Extra Fine] , 8N ,Thread Series, 12 N Series and 16 N Series ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SAE origins please > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:46 AM > Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please > > >> Hi Guys >> What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand >> for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? >> I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what >> it means until I just stumbled across something >> on the Web today to do with R&V. >> Regards >> Peter Lowe > > Hi Peter, I wondered why you didn't just google the question but when I > tried it I found no one will give you the answer. > see http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/SAE which seems to suggest > either "Society of Automotive Engineers" or > "Society of American Engineers". I hope someone knows more! > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 12 06:37:44 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:37:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: <1229062722.49420242ac6ec@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie: The answer to your question is: "I'd kick myself for not ordering it from McMaster!". If the outfit that said it would be four to six weeks was the only one with the item, I'd be stuck. But, if they were just being lazy and I could get it elsewhere, even at a slightly higher price, I'd do it just to stick it to 'em a little. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:19 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > > > Hi Elden, > > And after having dealt with McM, how do you feel > when you order something from > another company and they tell you that it will be > delivered in 4-6 weeks!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Elden DuRand : > > > I could save a little by shopping around but > it's simply not worth the > > trouble. Also, they've never backordered > anything I've ordered. Usually, I > > get the shipment the next day. > > > > McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing > system and jillions of items in > > stock. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 12 05:36:56 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:36:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please References: Message-ID: <001301c95c5e$b3f37d50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> does SAE stand for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? the Secret order , of Automotive Engineers . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 06:26:46 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:26:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <982288.86796.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <986906.54863.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Peter-san,? I had just about given up on getting anything from the link you sent.? I thought something was wrong.? When I came back with a cuppa, the movie was underway.? The comments I made in previous email were made before I saw the movies.? Here are some more. (1)? For all of you who don't know Wakahara-san, he is the young guy handing the P.A. mike to an older guy.? Waka is a professional bicycle racer -- a frequent winner as you can infer from the size of his engines.? He also appears in front of the big oil field engine, an import from Canada, I think.? He, and his partner,?have bought several engines from me.? (2)? The Japanese date, as you probably figured out, (actually Western calendar date)? is given year, month, day. (3)? Some of those guys drive their trucks, loaded with engines and gear, ?all day and night from home to show -- and back.The local lads will always provide fork-lifts and boom trucks for unloading and reloading.? Ditto the food.? Beer and sake flow copiously, a real No No?Stateside and insurance wise. (4)? One of the standard dishes, perhaps bowls would be more apt, is made in the big, wood fired?caldron, filled with any mixture of vegetable and, hear this, either chicken or pig entrals, meticulously cleaned of course.? One year, yours truly decided enough was enough and got permission to bring 7kg of chicken breasts, no bone, no skin,? instead of the gut casings.? Real gourmet style.? One problem.? There were several complaints that the stuff didn't taste so good that year. (5)? Someone mentioned the smoking engines.? Did anyone notice how many were boiling?? Cold day, no load, boiling.? Why?? All of you probably did notice the things being stuffed into the water jackets.? Yep, that's how we cook eggs and other goodies. (6)? Many of the local lads like to have engines running as slowly as possible.? Killing two birds with one stone, they retard the timing?to the point where the engine will barely run and get boiling water as a bonus.? The smoke signifies samurai machismo. (7)? I don't personally know the guy in the suit who addressed the group.? Traditionally, he would be the local mayor scrounging a few votes for ?next time around. (8)? Remember the scene with the guy flailing away with the huge wooden mallet?? He was pounding steaming sticky rice.? After sufficient pounding, the rice becomes a viscous mass, which can be broiled, eaten as is or put in soups as would Amercan dumplings. ( Better than chicken guts. )? It takes a? good man to keep that mallet going for ten minutes.? Traditionally, there will be two guys,?swinging?consecutively and a woman moving tha mass around between strokes, hopefully.? She will have a pail of cold water in which to?dip her hands, as the rice mass is still very HOT! ? Suggestion:? On your next trip to? Japan, instead of climbing Fuji-san, go to an engine meet.? If you see a?Gai-jin, it will probably be me.? ? Peter-san, Was it Wakahara-san who sent you the movies? From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 12 09:13:51 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:13:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <3926B7F1-DBD4-4C70-B4B7-B8EF2863ACCD@alltel.net> On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Best, George wrote: > I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and > have > at home, I've only had 2 of them running. I know for a FACT that NONE of Arnie's engines are running at the moment! Dave PS, Oh the shame of it all! From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Dec 12 09:18:56 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:18:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <20081211.231215.724.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20081212171857.8003265B4AE@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Ron, Have you taken pictures of the project? I would love to see them. Thanks ,Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:12 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Score: Runners 18, Non runners 20. But it was 19 to 19 until I took the FriscoStandard apart to weld cylinder. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIRXfdzEj02A8qpXat8ofoco YO1043E1LVSOYVqXv1UcV/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 12 13:12:34 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:12:34 -0000 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_A_useful_tool_for_enginemen=3F?= Message-ID: <002b01c95c9e$5d99abb0$3a290556@intrepid> An American friend sent me a post showing a view around his house. I had seen nothing like it so He told me how to use it. My first try in the local park in very dark conditions this afternoon you can see at http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=0d7a66e4-0d4a-4b7d-888e-3bf9b46419d7 (use the arrows on either side). It seems you can also use it to go round an object pointing inwards or rotating the object before the camera. I haven't tried that yet. It is free & the try I made took about 20 shots for full rotation. I have just tried the rotating object method and the automatic system did not get it right but if you use the buttons on the top right to zoom and turn it could be usefull. You can also zoom in a lot for details. lets have your views! see http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=5BC65182-F4AB-4644-BB1B-2BCA95E26807 I am looking forward to the start of the rally season for a shot surrounded with engines. Perhaps others can think of other uses? Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Dec 12 13:28:52 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:28:52 +0900 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT References: <001301c95c5e$b3f37d50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <4CD56EFE107F4CFBACE9310D650D3650@your9e74d7efa7> With the looming demise of the Amercan automotive industry we could well be looking at the end of the S.A.E. thread form . You will now have to go Metric ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SAE origins please > > does SAE stand for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? > > > the Secret order , of Automotive Engineers . > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 12 14:30:59 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:30:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229121059.4942e62301811@webmail.city-net.com> Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> See ya, Arnie Quoting Steve Webre : > And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... > > heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) > > -Steve- > > > Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! > > Mike Royster > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care > > Manual > > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in the > > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity Auction? > > > > Francis Maciel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 12 14:37:59 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:37:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam> A useful tool for enginemen? References: <002b01c95c9e$5d99abb0$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <003401c95caa$49a0a3f0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Those links didnt do much over here . This one does what I think you intended . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHzw98qt5Lo&feature=related Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 12 14:39:20 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:39:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT References: <001301c95c5e$b3f37d50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <4CD56EFE107F4CFBACE9310D650D3650@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <003901c95caa$7a01bde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > With the looming demise of the Amercan automotive industry we could well > be > looking at the end of the S.A.E. thread form .> You will now have to go > Metric ! >>>>>>>>>> Bwaaahahahahah hahahahaaa aaaahahahahhahahaaahahahaa . I wish ! Chuck From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 12 15:06:12 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:06:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <16bd105826921eecfe4213cca62214fe.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> Hey Tommy, given the sad original condition of some of the rare beasts you do restore to full splendor, I think you can be forgiven. Wasn't it the Ohio that you brought to Portland one year? And about all you had to start with was the left mounting screw for the name plate and you had to fabricate all of the rest of the engine? I may have exaggerated just a trifle. 8-)) See ya, Arnie > My ratio is BAD..... > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 12 15:07:13 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:07:13 -0000 Subject: [SEL] A useful tool for enginemen? References: <002b01c95c9e$5d99abb0$3a290556@intrepid> <003401c95caa$49a0a3f0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <002201c95cae$5fdb9220$3a290556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> A useful tool for enginemen? > Those links didnt do much over here . This one does what I think you > intended . > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHzw98qt5Lo&feature=related > Chuck Hi Chuck, I think you have to download a small program to use it. Thanks for the posting you sent me which shows it is far more important than I realised at this early stage of me using it. It may be a major inovation in the future. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 12 15:10:07 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:10:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, I think my collection is about half & half, runners & non-runners. None of the ones needing work need major work. Mainly just time. As to that "not buy an interesting engine cos I have non-running engines..." What are you man; daft? 8-)) See ya, Arnie > I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have > at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would > probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the > ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects > as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. > > I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about > finding time to work on the non-running engines. > > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. > > Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a > visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it > run. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 12 15:12:39 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:12:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <066cf922348e9aadc41dfb70eccf2d38.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> George, WHat's that sorta brass-looking cylinder (looks to be maybe 3" in dia) that runs parallel to the cylinder of the Ingeco? NICE looking engine BTW! See ya, Arnie > Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, then > this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 12 17:13:33 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:13:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis query Message-ID: <005301c95cc0$05d57040$6b74eedc@fred> BlankHi List Guys, Need to know if Whitemetal corrodes if placed in Electrolysis, we have a stuck sideshaft that has whitemetal bushes so can`t use much heat. David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 12 17:19:30 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:19:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 References: <1229121059.4942e62301811@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000801c95cc0$d97799a0$66674b47@mikecomp> Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 bucks i would think!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's > gonna have > to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. > > That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Steve Webre : > >> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >> >> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >> >> Mike Royster >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >> > Manual >> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >> > the >> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >> > Auction? >> > >> > Francis Maciel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 12 17:39:00 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:39:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT References: <001301c95c5e$b3f37d50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><4CD56EFE107F4CFBACE9310D650D3650@your9e74d7efa7> <003901c95caa$7a01bde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <50352264B54B4059AC81F073CB0E7E6A@PETER> The Chinese will see to that Peter >> With the looming demise of the Amercan automotive industry we could well >> be >> looking at the end of the S.A.E. thread form .> You will now have to go >> Metric ! >>>>>>>>>>> > Bwaaahahahahah hahahahaaa aaaahahahahhahahaaahahahaa . I wish ! > > > > Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 12 18:51:00 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:51:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis query In-Reply-To: <005301c95cc0$05d57040$6b74eedc@fred> Message-ID: David: If you're talking about babbit, electrolysis using washing soda (sodium carbonate) or sodium bicarbonate is harmless to it. I wouldn't try it on pot metal. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Brian Watts > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 07:14 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis query > > > BlankHi List Guys, > Need to know if Whitemetal corrodes if placed in > Electrolysis, we have a stuck sideshaft that has > whitemetal bushes so can`t use much heat. > > David Watts (03) 87616332 > damewatt at bigpond.com From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 12 17:49:29 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:49:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis Message-ID: <013b01c95cc5$0d9a0480$6b74eedc@fred> BlankHi List Guys, Need to know if Whitemetal corrodes if placed in Electrolysis, we have a stuck sideshaft that has whitemetal bushes so can`t use much heat. David Watts. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 12 18:06:29 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:06:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis query In-Reply-To: <005301c95cc0$05d57040$6b74eedc@fred> References: <005301c95cc0$05d57040$6b74eedc@fred> Message-ID: <702713DB-54D8-415B-99B7-515200119F5F@rustyiron.com> On Dec 12, 2008, at 5:13 PM, Brian Watts wrote: > BlankHi List Guys, > Need to know if Whitemetal corrodes if placed in Electrolysis, we > have a stuck sideshaft that has whitemetal bushes so can`t use much > heat. > > David Watts (03) 87616332 > damewatt at bigpond.com > > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > It will work fine, as long as you don't hook up the polarity backwards. Just remember back to high school chemistry. Your metal oxide molecules are composed of the metal, which is positively charged, and oxygen, which is negatively charged. Hook up your work to the negative side, and the electricity will blast off the oxygen (like charges repel) and leave the base metal alone. From jthall at worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 12 20:34:50 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:34:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT References: <001301c95c5e$b3f37d50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <4CD56EFE107F4CFBACE9310D650D3650@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <003801c95cdc$23cb0d00$c7d14c0c@D48VHZ61> We'll consider it just as soon as the Europeans give up Whitworth! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT > With the looming demise of the Amercan automotive industry we could well > be > looking at the end of the S.A.E. thread form . > You will now have to go Metric ! From george at irontrader.com Fri Dec 12 21:18:04 2008 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:18:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT In-Reply-To: <003801c95cdc$23cb0d00$c7d14c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <001301c95c5e$b3f37d50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <4CD56EFE107F4CFBACE9310D650D3650@your9e74d7efa7> <003801c95cdc$23cb0d00$c7d14c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <000a01c95ce2$2d923290$88b697b0$@com> Doesn't matter if new cars have any SAE bolts and nuts or not. We collect antique engines, and they won't change to metric! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:35 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT We'll consider it just as soon as the Europeans give up Whitworth! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT > With the looming demise of the Amercan automotive industry we could well > be > looking at the end of the S.A.E. thread form . > You will now have to go Metric ! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From george at irontrader.com Fri Dec 12 21:25:03 2008 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:25:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <066cf922348e9aadc41dfb70eccf2d38.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <066cf922348e9aadc41dfb70eccf2d38.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000001c95ce3$274c1940$75e44bc0$@com> Arnie, That's the air intake tube. It draws air from the crankcase area. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! George, WHat's that sorta brass-looking cylinder (looks to be maybe 3" in dia) that runs parallel to the cylinder of the Ingeco? NICE looking engine BTW! See ya, Arnie > Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, then > this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From astfgl at iamnota.org Fri Dec 12 22:30:36 2008 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:30:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <982288.86796.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <982288.86796.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4943568C.6080504@iamnota.org> I have two of them here. Is that unusual? It strikes me as an easy way of simplifying the engine mechanics and would keep costs down. Both engines are Imperial Super-Diesels, models FF and C, made by AH McDonald in Melbourne. The push rod opens the exhaust valve on the forward stroke, and on the backstroke it opens the intake valve and actuates the fuel injector. Cheers, glen. William Young wrote: > On the other hand, how many of you lads have seen a western 4 cycle engine with both intake and exhaust valves operated by one push rod? From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 12 23:17:09 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:17:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis Message-ID: <00cf01c95cf2$d23e9e90$6b74eedc@fred> BlankThanks Guys for the emails with the sideshaft, I know now what to do. David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 12 23:30:22 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:30:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <00ea01c95cf4$ac1c6f10$6b74eedc@fred> BlankHaving email problems, From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 12 23:40:31 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:40:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test email Message-ID: <3AAAE05705A845EEAF3E0A7A8C0B8935@loungeroom> Hi Guys Brian Watts is sending emails to SEL and when they arrive the message is in a text attachment, why?????? I am trying to help Brian with this problem. Peter Lowe, Oz From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Fri Dec 12 23:43:18 2008 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:43:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001901c95cf6$7be97f20$73bc7d60$@net.au> Peter Found this interesting. Looked at some books that I have and in Dykes Automotive and Gasoline Engine Encyclopedia (14th edition) the author refers to SAE as the Society of Automotive Engineers. He goes on to talk about thread sizes and bolts and spanners made to fit the uts and bolts as S.A.E. He also refers to another standard at the time called USS. Can copy the pages and send them if you are interested Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 18:46 To: Oldengine.org; ATIS Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please Hi Guys What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what it means until I just stumbled across something on the Web today to do with R&V. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Dec 13 00:36:51 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:36:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please References: <001901c95cf6$7be97f20$73bc7d60$@net.au> Message-ID: Hi Steve The Society of Automotive Engineers started out as the Society of Automobile Engineers. William Vandervoort of R&V Engines and Moline cars was a president at one stage. Their yearly transcations are interesting reading. Peter, Oz > Peter > Found this interesting. Looked at some books that I have and in Dykes > Automotive and Gasoline Engine Encyclopedia (14th edition) the author > refers > to SAE as the Society of Automotive Engineers. He goes on to talk about > thread sizes and bolts and spanners made to fit the uts and bolts as > S.A.E. > He also refers to another standard at the time called USS. > > Can copy the pages and send them if you are interested > > Steve > > Steve and Denise Kitto > 95 Coleyville Road > Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 > Ph 07 54671541 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 18:46 > To: Oldengine.org; ATIS > Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please > > Hi Guys > > What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand > for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? > I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what it > means until I just stumbled across something on the Web today to do with > R&V. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat Dec 13 00:39:47 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:39:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Testing Message-ID: <011101c95cfe$5c961cc0$6b74eedc@fred> I think I have found my problem From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 05:18:39 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:18:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <6f6025160812130518odc4bb84x80c3dfcf58d03f7e@mail.gmail.com> Gradually getting there. We have the rear gable end finished off, and the builders are on the front gable end now. That is from the floor of the first floor up to the apex of the roof. Sent Rita out to get some Jigsaw blades, and while she was out, I made merry with a wrecking hammer and big crowbar, demolished most of the bedroom walls, ready for the new 6" block wall that is going in place of the old studwork (timber and plasterboard) to support the roof trusses just to one side of centre. My God! The MESS it makes! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 05:23:29 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:23:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <4943568C.6080504@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <465811.43590.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Glen-san,? Sounds like your engines may be quite modern.? How old?.??I had never seen such an engine in USA.? Maybe they are not as rare as I thought.? Any USA engines of that nature around?? European?? Bill I have two of them here. Is that unusual? It strikes me as an easy way of simplifying the engine mechanics and would keep costs down. Both engines are Imperial Super-Diesels, models FF and C, made by AH McDonald in Melbourne. The push rod opens the exhaust valve on the forward stroke, and on the backstroke it opens the intake valve and actuates the fuel injector. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 13 06:01:08 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:01:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <4943568C.6080504@iamnota.org> References: <982288.86796.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4943568C.6080504@iamnota.org> Message-ID: > William Young wrote: >> > On the other hand, how many of you lads have seen a western 4 cycle > engine with both intake and exhaust valves operated by one push rod? Don't forget the Baker Monitor and the single-valve Bovaird & Seyfang. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 13 09:08:13 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:08:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <000001c95ce3$274c1940$75e44bc0$@com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <066cf922348e9aadc41dfb70eccf2d38.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> <000001c95ce3$274c1940$75e44bc0$@com> Message-ID: <1229188093.4943ebfd670bb@webmail.city-net.com> Hi George, NEAT. Is the intent to warm the air a bit since it's near to the cylinder water jacket or to provide a length where maybe the dust and wheat chaff could settle out? I've seen other engines where the air intake was inside the base hopefully sucking up cleaner air. See ya, Arnie Quoting George Best : > That's the air intake tube. > It draws air from the crankcase area. > > -----Original Message----- > What's that sorta brass-looking cylinder (looks to be maybe 3" in dia) > that runs parallel to the cylinder of the Ingeco? > > > Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, then > > this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. > > > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Dec 13 09:50:10 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:50:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please In-Reply-To: <001901c95cf6$7be97f20$73bc7d60$@net.au> References: <001901c95cf6$7be97f20$73bc7d60$@net.au> Message-ID: On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:43 AM, Steven N Kitto wrote: > Peter > Found this interesting. Looked at some books that I have and in Dykes > Automotive and Gasoline Engine Encyclopedia (14th edition) the > author refers > to SAE as the Society of Automotive Engineers. > Steve Steve, Are you trying to tell us that they wrote a book on Automobiles and Engines before they started protesting the vote in KA? Dave From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 10:22:13 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:22:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <132924.46573.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rob-san,? Are any pictures available of those two engines, the Monitor?or the single-valve Bovaird & Seyfang? ? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Dec 13 12:09:56 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:09:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] steam car Message-ID: <78F7A676C63B4CCF97FB7BD2E6B6A662@reg6db4351094b> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/3690952/British-Steam-Car-in-successful-tests.html From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 13 12:43:14 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <132924.46573.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <132924.46573.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:22 AM, William Young wrote: > Rob-san, Are any pictures available of those two engines, the > Monitor or the single-valve Bovaird & Seyfang? Yessir, Young-san. Here's a YouTube video of a small Monitor running: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ye33aWDxDM Here's Craig Prucha's web page for his Bovaird restoration: http://antique-engine.com/previous/20bovaird/20bovaird.htm From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Dec 13 13:10:50 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:10:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] steam car Message-ID: <20081213.131050.1640.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Looks good Reg. When can we expect your working model of the car? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:09:56 +1100 "R & M Ingold" writes: > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/3690952/British-Steam-Car-in-suc cessful-tests.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1UFt71gMKAv9hKupkxAM1x0K4fnv0iYRMAwcfH1HCyEKyIt/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Dec 13 13:52:16 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:52:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] steam car References: <20081213.131050.1640.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <88BEBC805D7E47D5810B7A6B30D6A6E0@reg6db4351094b> Not my scene, this steam stuff. Had the link sent to me and thought to pass it on. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] steam car > Looks good Reg. When can we expect your working model of the car? > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:09:56 +1100 "R & M Ingold" > writes: >> >> >> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/3690952/British-Steam-Car-in-suc > cessful-tests.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career > to the next level. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1UFt71gMKAv9hKupkxAM1x0K4fnv0iYRMAwcfH1HCyEKyIt/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 13 15:09:16 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:09:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] steam car In-Reply-To: <78F7A676C63B4CCF97FB7BD2E6B6A662@reg6db4351094b> References: <78F7A676C63B4CCF97FB7BD2E6B6A662@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <65f4a9677b0ec1c8235e7150e3493288.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> Good grief. Everything old is new again... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Steamer http://www.stanleymotorcarriage.com/GeneralTechnical/GeneralInfo.htm See ya, Arnie > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/3690952/British-Steam-Car-in-successful-tests.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From astfgl at iamnota.org Sat Dec 13 15:17:56 2008 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:17:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <465811.43590.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <465811.43590.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494442A4.9020907@iamnota.org> The smaller "C" was build in 1924/1925 and has some severe rust damage in the cylinder and big end. It was left out in the open with the vertical exhaust open and the oiler cap off, allowing rain water to enter. The "FF" was built in 1929 and is in relatively good condition. Cheers, glen. William Young wrote: > > Glen-san, Sounds like your engines may be quite modern. How old?. I had never seen such an engine in USA. Maybe they are not as rare as I thought. Any USA engines of that nature around? European? Bill From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Dec 13 17:14:06 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:14:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] steam car In-Reply-To: <65f4a9677b0ec1c8235e7150e3493288.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> References: <78F7A676C63B4CCF97FB7BD2E6B6A662@reg6db4351094b> <65f4a9677b0ec1c8235e7150e3493288.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <2F7ABAD4-738A-43EF-8C85-CAAF5A677FFD@alltel.net> ONLY if you are from the UK! Dave On Dec 13, 2008, at 6:09 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Good grief. Everything old is new again... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Steamer > http://www.stanleymotorcarriage.com/GeneralTechnical/GeneralInfo.htm > > See ya, Arnie > >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/3690952/British-Steam-Car-in-successful-tests.html > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Dec 13 17:19:46 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:19:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] steam car In-Reply-To: <88BEBC805D7E47D5810B7A6B30D6A6E0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20081213.131050.1640.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <88BEBC805D7E47D5810B7A6B30D6A6E0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <0A157870-99D4-4AE5-9E21-DD54F98026BF@alltel.net> I don't know Reg. I'm not sure that internal combustion engines are going to catch on--even with the bail out! Dave On Dec 13, 2008, at 4:52 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Not my scene, this steam stuff. > Had the link sent to me and thought to pass it on. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] steam car > > >> Looks good Reg. When can we expect your working model of the car? >> >> Ron Haskell From obise at moscow.com Sat Dec 13 19:04:36 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:04:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] steam car In-Reply-To: <78F7A676C63B4CCF97FB7BD2E6B6A662@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <200812140304.mBE34lek026027@mail-gw.fsr.net> Very interesting! Thank you for the link, Reg. I enjoy hearing about steam things. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:10 PM To: List SEL Subject: [SEL] steam car http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/3690952/British-Steam-Car-in-succes sful-tests.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From swebre at hotmail.com Sat Dec 13 19:53:59 2008 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:53:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, $100? Not yet. I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... What are YOU waiting for? -Steve- Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 bucks i would think!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's > gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. > > That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Steve Webre : > >> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >> >> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >> >> Mike Royster >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >> > Manual >> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >> > the >> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >> > Auction? >> > >> > Francis Maciel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Dec 14 09:54:03 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:54:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 References: Message-ID: <001701c95e14$f3eb22c0$66674b47@mikecomp> I'll sell you mine!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > > Mike, > > $100? Not yet. I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... > > What are YOU waiting for? > > -Steve- > > > Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 bucks > i > would think!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > > >> Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's >> gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. >> >> That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Steve Webre : >> >>> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >>> >>> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >>> >>> -Steve- >>> >>> >>> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >>> >>> Mike Royster >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >>> > Manual >>> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >>> > the >>> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >>> > Auction? >>> > >>> > Francis Maciel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Dec 14 12:57:52 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:57:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: Bwaaaaaaa Haaaaaaa!!! To tell something like that this close to Christmas!!!@ Bwaaaaa haaaaaa! The TRUTH from the Other Royster All of mine run at home, None of mine run at shows! What kind of ratio is that? Steve Royster> From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > All mine run. Some just havent run in a long time. Some are missing parts > OK Ok, almost all of my engines run but 3, I think.> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 PM> Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have> > at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would> > probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the> > ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects> > as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run.> >> > I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about> > finding time to work on the non-running engines.> >> > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1.> >> > Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a> > visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it> > run.> >> > Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running> > condition?> >> > Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have?> >> > At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd> > better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones> > running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals> > you just can't pass up ;-) )> >> > George> >> >> > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > > from your system.> >> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 14 13:27:40 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:27:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] steam car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "The British Steam Car's target velocity is 170mph, which would net them one of the longest-held speed records, set by Fred Marriott, who achieved a 121.57mph flying kilometre record in the Stanley brothers' Rocket at the 1906 Florida Speed Week. The target speed will also net the team and its principal backer and record-breaking driver Charles Burnett the records for the kilometre and the mile, as well as beating Sir Nigel Gresley's 126mph 1938 Mallard steam locomotive, the world's fastest steam loco." Wow. British engineering now feels it has a chance to break records that are 102 and 82 years old? Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 14 16:41:55 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:41:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <16bd105826921eecfe4213cca62214fe.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6A8D6D008A0A4394A9FDC69161A9A609@larue10ijlvccx> Arnie, I've been in NY picking up some iron and just got home. It was a Miami engine I has at Portland. Someone had taken it apart and tried to make a woodsplitter out of it. It had been hacked on so bad I had to have a pattern made and a new cylinder cast. Definitely a runner now! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 6:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Hey Tommy, given the sad original condition of some of the rare beasts you do restore to full splendor, I think you can be forgiven. Wasn't it the Ohio that you brought to Portland one year? And about all you had to start with was the left mounting screw for the name plate and you had to fabricate all of the rest of the engine? I may have exaggerated just a trifle. 8-)) See ya, Arnie > My ratio is BAD..... > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 12/13/2008 4:56 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 12/13/2008 4:56 PM From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Dec 14 17:28:46 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:28:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> I don't think my brother's (who suffers from chronic "convenient memory") statement is entirely correct. I don't think the Bamford (or "Limey Bastard" as he so affectionately calls it) has run in years, maybe decades. And as well as I remember there is a two tone Stickney that fired at Portland 5 years ago and never since. Then there is the Foos he got at Arden 7 years ago that has never drawn a breath. Oh the shame of it all!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners > > Bwaaaaaaa Haaaaaaa!!! To tell something like that this close to > Christmas!!!@ Bwaaaaa haaaaaa! The TRUTH from the Other Royster All of > mine run at home, None of mine run at shows! What kind of ratio is that? > Steve Royster> From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0500> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > All mine run. Some just > havent run in a long time. Some are missing parts > OK Ok, almost all of > my engines run but 3, I think.> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 > PM> Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >I was just thinking that > out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have> > at home, I've only had > 2 of them running. Two of the others would> > probably run if I spent a > day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the> > ignition working. The other > two! > should be considered as future projects> > as they are either stuck or > need repairs before they would run.> >> > I usually try to buy running > engines as I know I'm terrible about> > finding time to work on the > non-running engines.> >> > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out > weigh my runners by 2 to 1.> >> > Does anyone have all their engines in > running condition? Meaning, if a> > visitor came to your place could you > run the engine to show them how it> > run.> >> > Does anyone have multiple > engines and none of them are in running> > condition?> >> > Or what ratio > of runners to non-runners do you have?> >> > At what point do you decide > you've got so many non-runners that you'd> > better stop buying more > engines until you get some of your old ones> > running? ( I know that > answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals> > you just can't pass up > ;-) )> >> > George> >> >> > This message and any attachments are intended > only for the use of the > > addressee and may conta! > in information that is privileged and confidential. > > If the reader > of the message is not the intended recipient or an > > authorized > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > > notified that > any dissemination of this communication is strictly > > prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error, please > > notify us > immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > > from > your system.> >> > _______________________________________________> > SEL > mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _________________________________________________________________ > You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From swebre at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 10:04:53 2008 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:04:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Coward. :) -Steve- --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: mr at carolina.rr.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:54:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 I'll sell you mine!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > Mike, > > $100? Not yet. I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... > > What are YOU waiting for? > > -Steve- > > > Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 bucks > i > would think!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > > >> Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's >> gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. >> >> That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Steve Webre : >> >>> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >>> >>> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >>> >>> -Steve- >>> >>> >>> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >>> >>> Mike Royster >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >>> > Manual >>> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >>> > the >>> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >>> > Auction? >>> > >>> > Francis Maciel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 10:47:29 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:47:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: Oh Dear Brother, let's be careful!!!! How about the Novo "stationary engine" that's been anchoriing your workbench for the last decade, Speaking of Anchor , how about the rare Lathrop boat anchor you have, Or the real rare Alamo Tray cooled vertical that Vinny Cavalere donated to your museum if you would get it going. Or the Big 6 hp Novo that I ruined my eyes welding up your cam gear years ago. Or the Carlisle and finch paperweight on your desk , Or the Stewart little Major that hasn't moved since it was stolen from under your blue tarps and you chased the thief through a schoolyard full of little children, causing him a long prison sentence whereby he Died in Prison because of you! Do you feel bad now because I can keep going for hours about your "running "engines. How about all those engines I generously hauled home for you from far away places..... and they rust away in your back forty..... How shameful.... Your loving caring brother, Steve ps, and we shan't forget the "Elmyra" either! pps, Or the Hercules that used to run until it ran through your shop wall unattended! > From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:28:46 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > I don't think my brother's (who suffers from chronic "convenient memory") > statement is entirely correct. I don't think the Bamford (or "Limey > Bastard" as he so affectionately calls it) has run in years, maybe decades. > And as well as I remember there is a two tone Stickney that fired at > Portland 5 years ago and never since. Then there is the Foos he got at > Arden 7 years ago that has never drawn a breath. Oh the shame of it all!!!!> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:57 PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >> > Bwaaaaaaa Haaaaaaa!!! To tell something like that this close to > > Christmas!!!@ Bwaaaaa haaaaaa! The TRUTH from the Other Royster All of > > mine run at home, None of mine run at shows! What kind of ratio is that? > > Steve Royster> From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: > > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0500> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > All mine run. Some just > > havent run in a long time. Some are missing parts > OK Ok, almost all of > > my engines run but 3, I think.> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 > > PM> Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >I was just thinking that > > out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have> > at home, I've only had > > 2 of them running. Two of the others would> > probably run if I spent a > > day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the> > ignition working. The other > > two!> > should be considered as future projects> > as they are either stuck or > > need repairs before they would run.> >> > I usually try to buy running > > engines as I know I'm terrible about> > finding time to work on the > > non-running engines.> >> > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out > > weigh my runners by 2 to 1.> >> > Does anyone have all their engines in > > running condition? Meaning, if a> > visitor came to your place could you > > run the engine to show them how it> > run.> >> > Does anyone have multiple > > engines and none of them are in running> > condition?> >> > Or what ratio > > of runners to non-runners do you have?> >> > At what point do you decide > > you've got so many non-runners that you'd> > better stop buying more > > engines until you get some of your old ones> > running? ( I know that > > answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals> > you just can't pass up > > ;-) )> >> > George> >> >> > This message and any attachments are intended > > only for the use of the > > addressee and may conta!> > in information that is privileged and confidential. > > If the reader> > of the message is not the intended recipient or an > > authorized > > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > > notified that > > any dissemination of this communication is strictly > > prohibited. If you > > have received this communication in error, please > > notify us > > immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > > from > > your system.> >> > _______________________________________________> > SEL > > mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > _________________________________________________________________> > You live life online. So we put Windows on the web.> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There?s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 15 11:24:07 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:24:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <1229369047.4946aed71253e@webmail.city-net.com> Bless their hearts.... 8->>>> Quoting Steve Royster : > Oh Dear Brother, let's be careful!!!! > How about the Novo "stationary engine" that's been anchoriing your > workbench for the last decade, Speaking of Anchor , how about the rare > Lathrop boat anchor you have, Or the real rare Alamo Tray cooled vertical > that Vinny Cavalere donated to your museum if you would get it going. Or the > Big 6 hp Novo that I ruined my eyes welding up your cam gear years ago. Or > the Carlisle and finch paperweight on your desk , Or the Stewart little > Major that hasn't moved since it was stolen from under your blue tarps and > you chased the thief through a schoolyard full of little children, causing > him a long prison sentence whereby he Died in Prison because of you! Do you > feel bad now because I can keep going for hours about your "running "engines. > How about all those engines I generously hauled home for you from far away > places..... and they rust away in your back forty..... How shameful.... Your > loving caring brother, Steve > ps, and we shan't forget the "Elmyra" either! > pps, Or the Hercules that used to run until it ran through your shop wall > unattended! > > > From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, > 14 Dec 2008 20:28:46 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > I > don't think my brother's (who suffers from chronic "convenient memory") > > statement is entirely correct. I don't think the Bamford (or "Limey > > Bastard" as he so affectionately calls it) has run in years, maybe decades. > > And as well as I remember there is a two tone Stickney that fired at > > Portland 5 years ago and never since. Then there is the Foos he got at > > Arden 7 years ago that has never drawn a breath. Oh the shame of it all!!!!> From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 15 12:01:28 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:01:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] steam car References: <20081213.131050.1640.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><88BEBC805D7E47D5810B7A6B30D6A6E0@reg6db4351094b> <0A157870-99D4-4AE5-9E21-DD54F98026BF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <011201c95eef$eb694830$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I don't know Reg. I'm not sure that internal combustion engines are > going to catch on--even with the bail out! > Dave>>>> Is it too late to save Buffalo Springfield ? chuck http://chuckspickins.blogspot.com/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 12:42:20 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:42:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <1229369047.4946aed71253e@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> <1229369047.4946aed71253e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812151242o60cba3aaxc7e7c816654dda84@mail.gmail.com> On 15/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Bless their hearts.... 8->>>> Nothing like brotherly love! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Dec 15 12:57:36 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:57:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Once again I'm a bit late getting into this thread. Great thread George-thanks. I feel quite ashamed of my endeavors in this field. On a scale of "one to ten" Reg would be a 10 and I'd be a minus 4. I have about (??) 12 engines restored and another 4 that I bought as "restored engines" but they are standing out in the shed (as unrestored) because the so called "restorations" were not up to my standard (sorry Guys, I'm really not trying to be "big headed" here - they are all running - but the "finish is just not up to the standard that I prefer and they need to be taken off the railway sleepers and put onto better trolleys with better wheels). Then I have 4 engines that have been "restored to working condition" but I have not had the time to paint them or mount them on trolley's. I then have another possibly 10 or 12 engines that would run with just a little work - ie., they are complete and "loose". They just need some time and a little love to get them going. I have not had this time in the last year or so either. Then I have 5 engines (does Maytag count ??) in various stages of restoration just waiting for me to sort out and order parts. These range from Maytag Twins to the 12H.P. Witte CD diesel. Then, and here comes the crunch, I have another 30 to 40 engines ranging from scrap iron to "maybe I will get to them one day" (although I seriously doubt this). I think that these engines are amongst the most important in my collection and that is because I've saved then from the "scrappie" and, by the same token, from that big melting pot in China. They are safe and all stored under cover and they do not owe me a cent. Be they "parts engines" or whatever - they are safe and quite happy where they are. They are also not "rare" engines, just common old engines (Lister D's, Wolseley WD's and the like) but they all love their retirement home. One day in the future they (or their parts) will spring to life again (probably after I'm long gone) and someone will treat them with the respect that they deserve and show them off to the world (Oh well, South Africa at least - if petrol is still available :-)). As most of you know, I'm still a newbie to this hobby (sickness) I only got infected in 2004 and do not have any really serious "old iron" but I love what I've got and respect all you guys with all the "good stuff". I've got a few old engines here that are much older than me and they look so much better than I do !! That's all for now Guys (and Gals) gotta go and get my beauty sleep (it does not help!). Oh! I forgot to work out the ratio, which was what started this thread - well I'm too tired for "Maths" right now so do it yourselves !! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Mon Dec 15 13:52:02 2008 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:52:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pictures of a couple of Japanese engines i ran into Message-ID: The recent thread about Japanese engines reminded me of a couple of engines I saw last fall while in Japan on business. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2546115450034927251jkQsAi http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2741631170034927251sFVNuQ http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2161650800034927251UNoGVM The Japanese gentleman I was with spoke little English, but he was able to "tell" me he had used a small hit and miss engine for pumping water when he was a young boy. He used his hands to show how the engine hit and coasted. Ken Erman ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 15 13:54:19 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:54:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Here's another topic. What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together. I've got 3 such engines. This year I took apart my 1910 Ceres vertical engine to replace the wrist pin and clean it up. It is still apart although I do have a new wrist pin for it. This was a runner until I took it apart ;-) About 5 years ago I started working on a 5hp flutted hopper Aermotor. It is still sitting in the shop with nothing done to it the last several years. Ted Brookover restored the ignitor and Webster for me on that engine. I thought after I had the mag done, it wouldn't take long to finish the engine, but it still sits. Probably close to 8 years ago I took a nice 3hp F-M Z apart to paint it. I got it painted, but have never put it back together. Haven't touched it in many years, except to move it. It would be a nice engine as it is a very early plug oscillator engine with an aftermarket Wico EK conversion. Only engine I've seen with the Wico replacement bracket that replaces the plug oscillator. No really good excuses for not completing these engines except I'm much better at taking things apart than putting them together. Seems like something more interesting to do always seems to come up ;-) George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 15 14:25:26 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:25:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <00c401c95f04$07b0e070$66674b47@mikecomp> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Oh Dear Brother, let's be careful!!!! How about the Novo "stationary engine" that's been anchoriing your workbench for the last decade, Speaking of Anchor , how about the rare Lathrop boat anchor you have, Or the real rare Alamo Tray cooled vertical that Vinny Cavalere donated to your museum if you would get it going. Or the Big 6 hp Novo that I ruined my eyes welding up your cam gear years ago. Or the Carlisle and finch paperweight on your desk , Or the Stewart little Major that hasn't moved since it was stolen from under your blue tarps and you chased the thief through a schoolyard full of little children, causing him a long prison sentence whereby he Died in Prison because of you! Do you feel bad now because I can keep going for hours about your "running "engines. How about all those engines I generously hauled home for you from far away places..... and they rust away in your back forty..... How shameful.... Your loving caring brother, Steve ps, and we shan't forget the "Elmyra" either! pps, Or the Hercules that used to run until it ran through your shop wall unattended! > From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, > 14 Dec 2008 20:28:46 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > I > don't think my brother's (who suffers from chronic "convenient memory") > > statement is entirely correct. I don't think the Bamford (or "Limey > > Bastard" as he so affectionately calls it) has run in years, maybe > decades. > And as well as I remember there is a two tone Stickney that > fired at > Portland 5 years ago and never since. Then there is the Foos he > got at > Arden 7 years ago that has never drawn a breath. Oh the shame of > it all!!!!> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Royster" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:57 > PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >> > Bwaaaaaaa > Haaaaaaa!!! To tell something like that this close to > > Christmas!!!@ > Bwaaaaa haaaaaa! The TRUTH from the Other Royster All of > > mine run at > home, None of mine run at shows! What kind of ratio is that? > > Steve > Royster> From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: > > > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0500> > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > All mine run. Some just > > > havent run in a long time. Some are missing parts > OK Ok, almost all of > > > my engines run but 3, I think.> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion > list" > > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, > 2008 4:50 > > PM> Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >I was just > thinking that > > out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have> > at > home, I've only had > > 2 of them running. Two of the others would> > > probably run if I spent a > > day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the> > > ignition working. The other > > two!> > should be considered as future > projects> > as they are either stuck or > > need repairs before they would > run.> >> > I usually try to buy running > > engines as I know I'm terrible > about> > finding time to work on the > > non-running engines.> >> > At > this time I'd say my non-runners must out > > weigh my runners by 2 to 1.> > >> > Does anyone have all their engines in > > running condition? Meaning, > if a> > visitor came to your place could you > > run the engine to show > them how it> > run.> >> > Does anyone have multiple > > engines and none > of them are in running> > condition?> >> > Or what ratio > > of runners to > non-runners do you have?> >> > At what point do you decide > > you've got > so many non-runners that you'd> > better stop buying more > > engines > until you get some of your old ones> > running? ( I know that > > answer: > NEVER! As there are too many good deals> > you just can't pass up > > > ;-) )> >> > George> >> >> > This message and any attachments are intended > > > only for the use of the > > addressee and may conta!> > in information > that is privileged and confidential. > > If the reader> > of the message > is not the intended recipient or an > > authorized > > representative of > the intended recipient, you are hereby > > notified that > > any > dissemination of this communication is strictly > > prohibited. 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There?s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 15 14:39:59 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:39:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <00c701c95f06$0ff49720$66674b47@mikecomp> Oh so that's the way we are going to play this game is it? I see that "convenient memory" has clouded your view, much like the anal glacoma from which you suffer so severely! Now I do admit I may be a bit tardy with both the Novos and the Lathrop, But the Stewart, C&F, and Hercules have all run within the past year (or is it two?) definitely. The Alamo lacks quite a bit to be a runner, but now that Curt Holland is an expert in putting one back I am sure to have it within the decade!!! As far as the "Elmyra" , if only my brother could control his "love hormones" he could visit his own shop and maybe we could both tidy up a few loose ends. It should please you to know I only have 2 non-runners under tarps these days after Curt Holland so insesitively called my back forty "tarp city" a few years ago!!! As for my brother Steve, there are so many engines under tarps around his house it looks like a panoramic view of silver clumps no matter which window from which you stare! And lastly, that beautiful 6hp Gade that lives in your basement and once held the record for the most cover shots in GEM magazine; is it still in pieces waiting on that simple fuel line cleanout for 3 years now????? Your loving brother, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Oh Dear Brother, let's be careful!!!! How about the Novo "stationary engine" that's been anchoriing your workbench for the last decade, Speaking of Anchor , how about the rare Lathrop boat anchor you have, Or the real rare Alamo Tray cooled vertical that Vinny Cavalere donated to your museum if you would get it going. Or the Big 6 hp Novo that I ruined my eyes welding up your cam gear years ago. Or the Carlisle and finch paperweight on your desk , Or the Stewart little Major that hasn't moved since it was stolen from under your blue tarps and you chased the thief through a schoolyard full of little children, causing him a long prison sentence whereby he Died in Prison because of you! Do you feel bad now because I can keep going for hours about your "running "engines. How about all those engines I generously hauled home for you from far away places..... and they rust away in your back forty..... How shameful.... Your loving caring brother, Steve ps, and we shan't forget the "Elmyra" either! pps, Or the Hercules that used to run until it ran through your shop wall unattended! > From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, > 14 Dec 2008 20:28:46 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > I > don't think my brother's (who suffers from chronic "convenient memory") > > statement is entirely correct. I don't think the Bamford (or "Limey > > Bastard" as he so affectionately calls it) has run in years, maybe > decades. > And as well as I remember there is a two tone Stickney that > fired at > Portland 5 years ago and never since. Then there is the Foos he > got at > Arden 7 years ago that has never drawn a breath. Oh the shame of > it all!!!!> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Royster" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:57 > PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >> > Bwaaaaaaa > Haaaaaaa!!! To tell something like that this close to > > Christmas!!!@ > Bwaaaaa haaaaaa! The TRUTH from the Other Royster All of > > mine run at > home, None of mine run at shows! What kind of ratio is that? > > Steve > Royster> From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: > > > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0500> > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > All mine run. Some just > > > havent run in a long time. Some are missing parts > OK Ok, almost all of > > > my engines run but 3, I think.> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion > list" > > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, > 2008 4:50 > > PM> Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >I was just > thinking that > > out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have> > at > home, I've only had > > 2 of them running. Two of the others would> > > probably run if I spent a > > day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the> > > ignition working. The other > > two!> > should be considered as future > projects> > as they are either stuck or > > need repairs before they would > run.> >> > I usually try to buy running > > engines as I know I'm terrible > about> > finding time to work on the > > non-running engines.> >> > At > this time I'd say my non-runners must out > > weigh my runners by 2 to 1.> > >> > Does anyone have all their engines in > > running condition? Meaning, > if a> > visitor came to your place could you > > run the engine to show > them how it> > run.> >> > Does anyone have multiple > > engines and none > of them are in running> > condition?> >> > Or what ratio > > of runners to > non-runners do you have?> >> > At what point do you decide > > you've got > so many non-runners that you'd> > better stop buying more > > engines > until you get some of your old ones> > running? ( I know that > > answer: > NEVER! As there are too many good deals> > you just can't pass up > > > ;-) )> >> > George> >> >> > This message and any attachments are intended > > > only for the use of the > > addressee and may conta!> > in information > that is privileged and confidential. > > If the reader> > of the message > is not the intended recipient or an > > authorized > > representative of > the intended recipient, you are hereby > > notified that > > any > dissemination of this communication is strictly > > prohibited. 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So we put Windows on the web.> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/> > > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There?s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Mon Dec 15 14:46:53 2008 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:46:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Can this happen to the United States ???? Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Onebuck54 at aol.com To: martybelding at yahoo.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Can this happen to the United States ???? Get prepared. Stand together. A Little Gun History Lesson In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, un able to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. --------------------------- Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ---------------------------- Guatemala established gun control in 1964.. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and extermi nated. ------------------------------ Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. ------------------------------ It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers mo re than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! It will never happen here? ; Hah, I bet the Aussies said that too! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politic ians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson. With Guns.............We Are 'Citizens'. Without Them........We Are 'Subjects'.. During W.W. II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED ! < B>Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attache to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country. It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had guns. If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control mess age to all your -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 15 15:05:50 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:05:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <72090266-62FE-4687-88D2-A636F0212740@alltel.net> > > Oh! I forgot to work out the ratio, which was what started > this > thread - well I'm too tired for "Maths" right now so do it > yourselves !! > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans Whatever the ratio is, the MAYTAG does NOT count! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 15 14:55:40 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:55:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> Hi George, I've got two engines in that condition. One, a 5 hp Lister CS rad cooled that's got stuck governor weights. Should be simple, just pull the side plate off, but because of the rad fan drive belt pulley, you _just_ can't get the plate off. Without pulling the flywheel that is. 8-(( I'm currently leaning toward shortening the studs for the cover plate. The second one is a 3 hp CH&E factory mudpump rig. I pulled the head and piston to fix the broken-off drip oiler pipe (through the hopper into the cylinder). That job was finished quickly, but some distraction set in and the bits never got put back together. I sure do HOPE I can put my paws on all of the bits when "The Time" comes. 8-)) Great thread starter question!! See ya, Arnie Quoting "Best, George" : > Here's another topic. > > What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are > engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other > projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together. > > I've got 3 such engines. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 15 14:35:41 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:35:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Pictures of a couple of Japanese engines i ran into References: Message-ID: Gee, that Webshots site is a pain with all the ads!! I gave up on your pics. Each time I had to fight to see the pic due to the pop ups. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Erman" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Pictures of a couple of Japanese engines i ran into > The recent thread about Japanese engines reminded me of a couple of > engines I saw last fall while in Japan on business. > > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2546115450034927251jkQsAi > > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2741631170034927251sFVNuQ > > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2161650800034927251UNoGVM > > > > The Japanese gentleman I was with spoke little English, but he was able > to "tell" me he had used a small hit and miss engine for pumping water > when he was a young boy. He used his hands to show how the engine hit > and coasted. > > > > Ken Erman > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > CNC Software, Inc. > www.mastercam.com > ********************************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 15 15:03:08 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:03:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pictures of a couple of Japanese engines i ran into In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229382188.4946e22c00891@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Ken, The "hand signs" are one of the things that I really enjoy about watching the spectators at an engine show. You don't need to hear what they're saying; just watch their hands. They either "get it" or they don't have a clue. See ya, Arnie Quoting Ken Erman : > The Japanese gentleman I was with spoke little English, but he was able > to "tell" me he had used a small hit and miss engine for pumping water > when he was a young boy. He used his hands to show how the engine hit > and coasted. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 15 15:21:19 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:21:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <571A7C68-F6E2-4BAD-B444-BAC4A50C8353@rustyiron.com> On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Best, George wrote: > What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Hi George, The only engine I have in pieces is the one I'm currently working on. About a decade ago I started work on a small Jack of All Trades. The Victory Oil Motor came along, and work on the Fairbanks came to a halt. After that, more exciting projects were always taking priority, so I eventually pedaled the Jack. Yes, I could have got a LOT more for it by finishing it, but life is short, and I don't do this to make money. The other engine that I stalled on was an Allan Bros. We got started on it, somehow lost focus, and that was that. We would put in a good day's worth of work on her about once a year, but never got back in the groove. She could end up a "knock your socks off" engine, but not at the pace we were going. It made more sense to sell her to someone with more discipline than us. Again, the price was lower than on a finished engine, but at least I know longer have the guilt of knowing I'm a slacker. My advice? If you've lost interest in a particular engine, it's unlikely that it will ever excite you again. Sell it to someone who will care for it, and move on to something else. If you need help, I know a lady who publishes a newsletter full of classifieds for old engines. I'll put in a good word and she might place an ad for you. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Dec 15 16:59:48 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:59:48 EST Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Message-ID: In a message dated 12/15/2008 1:58:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve_royster at hotmail.com writes: How about all those engines I generously hauled home for you from far away places..... and they rust away in your back forty..... How shameful.... Steve, I thought it would be nice for you to stop by my place sometime, but now not so sure. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Dec 15 17:19:34 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:19:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <007a01c95f1c$5bb4ac20$a5d04c0c@D48VHZ61> Here is my list; 1 1/2 hp Lauson been apart and in storage for about 3 years--no immediate plans to resurrect it in the near future. 1 1/2 hp JD--Magneto self destructed/exploded 10+ years ago. Every time I get enough cash for a new mag another more pressing project comes along. We did get a 2-man Mall chainsaw running last year--it had been almost 20 years since we first worked on it. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years > Here's another topic. > > What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are > engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other > projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together. > From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Mon Dec 15 17:38:07 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:38:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <007a01c95f1c$5bb4ac20$a5d04c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <03b201c95f1e$f2c3ddf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Hey guys I got the Tod put back together so I don't want to hear any excuses why your little engines are still in pieces! :-) http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2620390000033749120xdDfxE?vhost=good-times Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years > Here is my list; > > 1 1/2 hp Lauson been apart and in storage for about 3 years--no immediate > plans to resurrect it in the near future. > > 1 1/2 hp JD--Magneto self destructed/exploded 10+ years ago. Every time I > get enough cash for a new mag another more pressing project comes along. > > We did get a 2-man Mall chainsaw running last year--it had been almost 20 > years since we first worked on it. > > John Hall > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:54 PM > Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years > > >> Here's another topic. >> >> What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are >> engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other >> projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Mon Dec 15 18:01:01 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:01:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Steam Car Message-ID: <764215.546.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Conservative, man, conservative. That's why all the Poms old engines are so boring, they all look the same. Fortunately the yanks saved us. Graham in Oz >Wow. British engineering now feels it has a chance to break records that >are 102 and 82 years old? >Bruce Younger >Madison, SD Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Mon Dec 15 18:04:14 2008 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:04:14 EST Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years Message-ID: Here's my problem child........ A few years ago I acquired a Lambert engine that was stuck. I worked on it and freed it up to a smooth operation, got it to bark a few times and It just seemed to move to the back burner. You would think I would get excited over a very scarce engine and finish it....must be my age or something! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From ddotto at cableone.net Mon Dec 15 19:56:29 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:56:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01c95f32$470bd0d0$d5237270$@net> There is an advantage to having the engines in pieces; they take up a lot less floor space in the shop when all their pieces are neatly tucked away on the shelves. I defiantly fall into the unfinished engine bucket; lets see there is a 1.5 Alamo in pieces. I have done lots of work on it but still have a ways to go. Then there is the 1933 Deutz MAH diesel this is also one with lots of machine work complete but still a lot more to do. There is a Fairmont RR engine in about the same stage as the other two and last but not least the 3hp Falk. I have put literally hundreds of hours into the Falk. Machining parts making patterns etc. Thanks to curt Holland for all the help with the patterns and Rick Rowlands for doing the castings. I need to machine all the bits for the ignitor, hone the bore, finish machine the new piston and cut the ring grooves, make new main and rod bearings, Case harden the new wrist pin and grind to size... Man I still have a bunch of work to do. Every time I think that I'm getting close I realize how much more there is to do. There was also a 3hp Fairbanks Z but I sold it to a friend who finished it up and it is now a running engine. I'm hoping to get some work done on the Falk this winter we'll se how that goes. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3626 (20081119) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 20:46:45 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:46:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Erman-san, When I first read your email, I was sure that you missed the translation of your friend's dactylog or that the engine he referred to was an import. I have an Isami and it is NOT hit and miss. I sent email to both Wakahara-san and Morishita-san, the latterbeing the Japanese counterpart of our Wendel, asking if there had been any H & M engines made in Japan. I have been under the impression there had not been. I am still waiting for response from Morishita-san, but have heard from Waka as follows: > Hi, Young-san, Yanmar Ltd. only produced the HIT&MISS >engine. The engine is very valuable. Please inform me >when there are some questions. Thanks, Waka,SO, THANKS TO YOU ERMAN-SAN, I HAVE LEARNED A BIT MORE ABOUT JAPANESE ENGINES -- AND I DO HAVE A COPY OF MORISHITA'S2006 BOOK. ( ALL OF THE PICTURES THERE-IN WERE TAKEN IN ENGLISH;MOST OF THE TEXT IS IN JAPANESE.) From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 15 22:21:09 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:21:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines In-Reply-To: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:46 PM, William Young wrote: > Erman-san, When I first read your email, I was sure that you missed > the translation of your friend's dactylog or that the engine he > referred to was an import. I have an Isami and it is NOT hit and > miss. I sent email to both Wakahara-san and Morishita-san, the > latterbeing the Japanese counterpart of our Wendel, asking if there > had been any H & M engines made in Japan. I have been under the > impression there had not been. I am still waiting for response > from Morishita-san, but have heard from Waka as follows: Wakai-san, I really enjoy seeing pictures and videos of the Japanese engine shows. What strikes me are the subtle features, superior to Western built engines, such as enclosed crankcases and superior lubrication systems. What I've never seen, however, are early Japanese engines. In the early 1900s, Japan lagged the U.S. in industrialization by only a few years. Surely they must have built a few engines by that time. ?????? From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Dec 16 00:22:36 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:22:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <03b201c95f1e$f2c3ddf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <001201c95f57$74744460$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Rick Looks terrific. How long before it has a run. You will have to post a video. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine Foundation Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2008 12:38 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years Hey guys I got the Tod put back together so I don't want to hear any excuses why your little engines are still in pieces! :-) http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2620390000033749120xdDfxE?vhost=good-ti mes Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years > Here is my list; > > 1 1/2 hp Lauson been apart and in storage for about 3 years--no immediate > plans to resurrect it in the near future. > > 1 1/2 hp JD--Magneto self destructed/exploded 10+ years ago. Every time I > get enough cash for a new mag another more pressing project comes along. > > We did get a 2-man Mall chainsaw running last year--it had been almost 20 > years since we first worked on it. > > John Hall > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:54 PM > Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years > > >> Here's another topic. >> >> What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are >> engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other >> projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 13/12/2008 4:56 PM From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 01:58:04 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:58:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] More about Japanese engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <531951.8441.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ?????? Rob-san, Your kanji is improving, hourly.You mentioned the improvements made by Japanese engine manufacturers. Here are my guesses, starting with an old proverb:1) You invent it; the Japanese will copy it and improve it.2) The Japanese M.O. is, and may always have been, planned obsolescence. Therefore, most of the earlier productions were produced with a built-in death sentence. A better engine came along, sayonara to the old. Today's manufactures are required to supply parts for a limited time only, 7 years, I'm told.3) A third factor was the Pacific War ( which we call WW II. )The Japanese war machine had an appetite equal to today's sushiset. Now, we collectors here consider any pre-WW II engine a genuine, desirable artifact. P.S. This planned obsolescence bit has me worried: I was born in the 15 year of Emperor Taisho's reign.?? From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 03:05:23 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:05:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Aww Tom. You mean my invitation has been revoked???> From: Germoamer at aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:59:48 -0500> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > In a message dated 12/15/2008 1:58:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:> > How about all those engines I generously hauled home for you from far away > places..... and they rust away in your back forty..... How shameful.... > > > Steve,> > I thought it would be nice for you to stop by my place sometime, but now not > so sure. > > Tom Schmutz> Concord, Va.> germoamer at AOL.com> > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 03:08:52 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:08:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie, Did you conveniently forget to say that rebuilding the Fero air compressor got in the way of your engine projects??? Steve > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:55:40 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years> > Hi George,> > I've got two engines in that condition.> > One, a 5 hp Lister CS rad cooled that's got stuck governor weights.> Should be simple, just pull the side plate off, but because of the rad fan drive> belt pulley, you _just_ can't get the plate off. Without pulling the flywheel> that is. 8-(( I'm currently leaning toward shortening the studs for the cover> plate. > > The second one is a 3 hp CH&E factory mudpump rig. I pulled the head and piston> to fix the broken-off drip oiler pipe (through the hopper into the cylinder). > That job was finished quickly, but some distraction set in and the bits never> got put back together. I sure do HOPE I can put my paws on all of the bits> when "The Time" comes. 8-))> > Great thread starter question!!> > See ya, Arnie> > Quoting "Best, George" :> > > Here's another topic.> > > > What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are> > engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other> > projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together.> > > > I've got 3 such engines.> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Dec 16 07:24:45 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:24:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1229441085.4947c83de1d71@webmail.city-net.com> Et tu Evil Cloistered Oyster Brother? Actually, I should add another engine to that list of mine. There's a certain 2 hp Bessemer that I got from _someone_ who shall be nameless that still needs fuel tank / fuel line restoration and cart construction. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Steve Royster : > Arnie, Did you conveniently forget to say that rebuilding the Fero air > compressor got in the way of your engine projects??? Steve From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Dec 16 08:09:44 2008 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:09:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <413260.95305.qm@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guilty as charged... 3hp Challenge...was stuck when I got it, It is now unstuck, but piston is still in the cyinder...I need to pull it and get the rings unstuck. Mag and ignitor are out in CT getting repaired...Also have to get one gov weight recast... 3hp Independent Harvester...was stuck when I got it, now all apart, but still missing a few pieces...need to get going on it some time.... 4hp Independent Harvester...was running, but had a lot of slop in the rocker arm and gov. New pins/bushings were made by friend and now they sit waiting to be put back on. I also have several pumps that I took apart to redo and they sit waiting.... Heck, My first engine still does not run....10 years later... Steve --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:54 PM What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 08:37:27 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:37:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <1229441085.4947c83de1d71@webmail.city-net.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> <1229441085.4947c83de1d71@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Too Late, my dear glow in the dark friend! Check the wording on your purchase agreement from Cloistered Oyster Motors. The Bessemer reverts back to me if not completed and displayed at an engine show within one of purchase. Don't worry about delivering it back to me though , I'll pick it up at Coolspring in June! The good brother, Steve > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:24:45 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years> > Et tu Evil Cloistered Oyster Brother?> > Actually, I should add another engine to that list of mine.> There's a certain 2 hp Bessemer that I got from _someone_ who shall be nameless> that still needs fuel tank / fuel line restoration and cart construction. > 8-))> > See ya, Arnie> > Quoting Steve Royster :> > > Arnie, Did you conveniently forget to say that rebuilding the Fero air> > compressor got in the way of your engine projects??? Steve> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 08:48:17 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:48:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_RE=3A__Still_in_pieces_after_all_the?= =?iso-8859-1?q?se_years?= In-Reply-To: <1229441085.4947c83de1d71@webmail.city-net.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> <1229441085.4947c83de1d71@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Technically, my brother is somewhat correct, The Big Gade has it's fuel system removed and cleaned, just needs to be re piped. The only engine that's really apart is the Stickney and has been for a couple of years. Someday I'll get all the paint off of it and put it back together. All the rest are complete so my ratio is much better than his, let's say 98% ! My brother may also be confused as to how to properly calculate his assembled vs disassembled engines because he probably can't remember how many of his engine parts are scattered all over MY shop. I'm thinking of having a yard sale in the spring and clean out some old parts. Steve _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Dec 16 10:07:33 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:07:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> <1229441085.4947c83de1d71@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1229450853.4947ee65716ab@webmail.city-net.com> HAH! Back atcha Mr. Builder Man! It turns out that the sweet lil' Bessemer was running at Portland within HOURS of me taking possession. No thanks to you if I recall correctly, I think the tender touches of Ms. Kelley Garcia made that sucker a crowd-pleasing runner. Something about putting her finger on the buzz coil, saying it "needs something" and that very instant the plug had a fat blue spark!! ISTR Rob saying something like; "Damn. She does that to me too. Just like that." 8->>> See ya, Arnie Quoting Steve Royster : > Too Late, my dear glow in the dark friend! Check the wording on your purchase > agreement from Cloistered Oyster Motors. The Bessemer reverts back to me if > not completed and displayed at an engine show within one of purchase. Don't > worry about delivering it back to me though , I'll pick it up at Coolspring > in June! The good brother, Steve From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Dec 16 11:12:11 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:12:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Pictures of a couple of Japanese engines i ran into In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081216210849.00c2bd90@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 16/12/2008, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:52:02 -0500 >From: "Ken Erman" >Subject: [SEL] Pictures of a couple of Japanese engines i ran into > >The recent thread about Japanese engines reminded me of a couple of >engines I saw last fall while in Japan on business. >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2546115450034927251jkQsAi >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2741631170034927251sFVNuQ >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2161650800034927251UNoGVM >The Japanese gentleman I was with spoke little English, but he was able >to "tell" me he had used a small hit and miss engine for pumping water >when he was a young boy. He used his hands to show how the engine hit >and coasted. >Ken Erman Hi Ken, The 3rd pic marked as "unknown" looks like a Kubota Diesel. I rescued one (and then gave it away) a few months ago. I agree with Reg re the adverts on that site. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Dec 16 11:17:59 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:17:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081216211500.02644e30@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 16/12/2008, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:05:50 -0500 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners >To: The SEL email discussion list > > Oh! I forgot to work out the ratio, which was what started > > this > > thread - well I'm too tired for "Maths" right now so do it > > yourselves !! > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > >Whatever the ratio is, the MAYTAG does NOT count! > Dave Thanks Dave, That post just would not have been the same without a Maytag bashing comment from you or Arnie. :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Tue Dec 16 11:34:28 2008 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:34:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines Message-ID: Dear Young-san, I suspected the Isami engine wasn't an H&M engine, it looked like it didn't have the right kind of bits and pieces. The gentleman I was with must have been using an imported engine. There's no way to confuse someone describing H&M when they go Bang-swish-swish-swish-swish-Bang and use the accompanying arm movements at the same time. J If it would be helpful I could find out the name of village we were visiting so both engines could be documented, or even saved. They were both sitting outside under minimal cover. I was tempted to try and turn the Isami over, but resisted the impulse because I didn't know what might be frozen and I didn't want to break anything. Ken ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 16 17:22:03 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:22:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > What I've never seen, however, are early Japanese engines. In the > early 1900s, Japan lagged the U.S. in industrialization by only a few > years. Surely they must have built a few engines by that time. > >>>> That has intrigued me as well . I always figured they were gathered up for the metal . Along with every last washer and cotter pin they could find . Chuck From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Dec 16 22:23:26 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:23:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines In-Reply-To: <00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> > That has intrigued me as well . I always figured they were gathered > up for > the metal. Along with every last washer and cotter pin they could > find . Chuck-san, Surely, there must be SOME really old Japanese iron laying about, under a collapsed barn or half buried in a creek. We Gaijin are taught in school that the pre-WWII Japanese were nothing better than feudalistic ox drivers, but that's just western propaganda. This morning I was reading an article, written in 1909, about the Japanese coal, iron, steel and shipbuilding industries. I'm no expert and don't care to look up numbers, but I would wager that the Japanese industrial capacity in 1909 surpassed the industrial capacity of 90% of the worlds countries in 2008. Young-san, you mentioned a bloke who is your Chuck Wendel. Is there a book available, one with a few pictures, for those of us who don't care to learn another language? Rob From gibsongus at earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 22:46:20 2008 From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:46:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years Message-ID: <17262400.1229496380266.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> IT has quit raining now so you can quit chasing Ginger around the house and get to work ,.;= -----Original Message----- >From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com >Sent: Dec 15, 2008 9:04 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years > >Here's my problem child........ A few years ago I acquired a >Lambert engine that was stuck. I worked on it and freed it up to a smooth >operation, got it to bark a few times and It just seemed to move to the back burner. >You would think I would get excited over a very scarce engine and finish >it....must be my age or something! > > >Wink & Ginger Thornton, >Yucca Valley Ca., USA >KG6TVW, KG6TVV >The older the violin....the sweeter the music! > > > >************** >Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and >favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& >icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------- Gus Whittier, CA From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Dec 16 23:09:10 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:09:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines In-Reply-To: <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <3E660800-6039-4835-AADA-A8634B6DE41A@alltel.net> -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 17, 2008, at 1:23 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Chuck-san, > Surely, there must be SOME really old Japanese iron laying about, > under a collapsed barn or half buried in a creek. We Gaijin are > taught in school that the pre-WWII Japanese were nothing better than > feudalistic ox drivers, but that's just western propaganda. No Rob, I think that's a pretty good assesment of the Jap potential prior to their starting the build up in order to mount their sneak attack on Pearl. > > > This morning I was reading an article, written in 1909, about the > Japanese coal, iron, steel and shipbuilding industries. I'm no expert > and don't care to look up numbers, but I would wager that the Japanese > industrial capacity in 1909 surpassed the industrial capacity of 90% > of the worlds countries in 2008. You might want to start looking here Rob > > > Young-san, you mentioned a bloke who is your Chuck Wendel. Is there a > book available, one with a few pictures, for those of us who don't > care to learn another language? > > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Dec 16 23:26:18 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:26:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <17262400.1229496380266.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17262400.1229496380266.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <986A1CC0-E964-4430-8F7F-EBE443FECD0C@rustyiron.com> On Dec 16, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Gus wrote: > IT has quit raining now so you can quit chasing Ginger around the > house and get to work ,.;= Hi Gus, If I heard correctly, it was Ginger chasing Wink around the house...... .. .. ... .... ... .... ... .. ... .... ... .. ........with a frying pan! Rob P.S. I've been trying to buy the Lambert from the wrong member of the Thornton household!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 17 03:52:14 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:52:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 15 References: Message-ID: <009101c9603d$fb5df480$66674b47@mikecomp> Wuss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 15 > > > Coward. :) > > -Steve- > > > > > --Forwarded Message Attachment-- > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:54:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > I'll sell you mine!!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Webre" > To: "sel" > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > >> Mike, >> >> $100? Not yet. I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... >> >> What are YOU waiting for? >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 >> bucks >> i >> would think!!!! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 >> >> >>> Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's >>> gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. >>> >>> That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> Quoting Steve Webre : >>> >>>> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >>>> >>>> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >>>> >>>> -Steve- >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >>>> >>>> Mike Royster >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >>>> > Manual >>>> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >>>> > the >>>> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >>>> > Auction? >>>> > >>>> > Francis Maciel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Dec 17 04:31:45 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:31:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China Message-ID: Hi all Latest virus release from China. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/microsoft/3793365/Internet-Explorer-security-alert-Microsoft-says-all-users-at-risk.html Well it has hit Australia, it got me and straight past Norton Anti-virus 2009. 27 hours later I am 98% back online with most software installed. When it is a work machine you don't realize, until you have to re-format, how many settings you need to re-install. Microsoft says stay off the web until they get the patch out on their update site. I was looking through a US university site doing some research when I got hit, the screen wobbled and the computer re-booted, my words were @#%*. Peter, Oz From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 17 06:04:21 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:04:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73976EED-8508-43B3-BF14-942C26AAA1EC@rustyiron.com> On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > > Microsoft says stay off the web until they get the patch out on > their update site. > Peter, I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune. But just as I don't understand your affinity to those loud smokey Maytag motors, I don't understand your blind allegiance to Gates. For how many years have I been warning you? http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Dec 17 07:22:46 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:22:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: <73976EED-8508-43B3-BF14-942C26AAA1EC@rustyiron.com> References: <73976EED-8508-43B3-BF14-942C26AAA1EC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <3472.165.206.180.15.1229527366.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> simple single word solution - UBUNTU Web, there are multiple choices, but alas, they are ALL vulnerable in some way, just that IE is worse. The more child-like MS tries to make their OS and browser, the more children can break into them. MS wants it to be all things to all people, dumb it down, so much so that you can be dumb and hack their stuff. > > On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: >> >> Microsoft says stay off the web until they get the patch out on >> their update site. >> > > > Peter, > I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune. But just as I don't understand > your affinity to those loud smokey Maytag motors, I don't understand > your blind allegiance to Gates. For how many years have I been > warning you? http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Wed Dec 17 07:45:30 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:45:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009401c9605e$8c8616c0$a5924440$@net> I know lotsa folks don't like Microsoft but I for one much prefer it. I switched temporarily to firefox as default browser (already had it installed but don't like it) so please let us (or me on the back channel if you prefer) when they get IE fixed. Lew near Waco, TX USA (bee_keeper at earthlink dot net) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:32 AM To: ATIS; Oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China Hi all Latest virus release from China. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/microsoft/3793365 /Internet-Explorer-security-alert-Microsoft-says-all-users-at-risk.html Well it has hit Australia, it got me and straight past Norton Anti-virus 2009. 27 hours later I am 98% back online with most software installed. When it is a work machine you don't realize, until you have to re-format, how many settings you need to re-install. Microsoft says stay off the web until they get the patch out on their update site. I was looking through a US university site doing some research when I got hit, the screen wobbled and the computer re-booted, my words were @#%*. Peter, Oz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1852 - Release Date: 12/16/2008 6:11 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 17 08:07:13 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:07:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines In-Reply-To: <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1229530033.494923b15c740@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rob, You reminded me of my one "near death" experience in Japan. (That morning-after the Hostess Bar incident doesn't count...) We were driving up to the fishing village of Mihama (where there is also a nuke plant complex). The trip took us through a lot of other small coastal fishing villages. Naturally, as one well trained in the arts of Old Iron Questing, you're ALWAYS looking for flywheels. Well, I spotted some nice, curved-spoke FLYWHEELS!! I scream "STOP" to the driver, who slams on the brakes and skids to the side of the road. I open the door, glance down the road (totally forgetting in the passion of the moment that the Japanese drive on the WRONG side of the road) and make a move toward the flywheels. Blaring horn, screeching tires, and one VERY narrow miss. WHEW!! Get the breathing and heart rate under control, look BOTH ways (twice), and cross the road, and head down toward the harbor where I saw the flywheels. Yep there they were, big, lovely, S-spoke flywheels attached to a multi-ton winch used to haul the fishing boats up out of the water. Why they'd have flywheels on a winch is beyond me. More looking and I became convinced that the electric motor attached with a half-dozen V-belts to the winch pulley had been there for YEARS. Not a trace of an engine anywhere. Sigh... That's the closest I've come to finding one "in the wild" in Japan or Korea. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Rob Skinner : > Surely, there must be SOME really old Japanese iron laying about, > under a collapsed barn or half buried in a creek. We Gaijin are > taught in school that the pre-WWII Japanese were nothing better than > feudalistic ox drivers, but that's just western propaganda. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 17 08:31:45 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:31:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: <3472.165.206.180.15.1229527366.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <73976EED-8508-43B3-BF14-942C26AAA1EC@rustyiron.com> <3472.165.206.180.15.1229527366.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <929F320E-5D77-4088-A4A4-43A7274ABF01@alltel.net> My system is pretty easy to use, and I guess you could say it's "dumbed down." Wonder why it's not vulnerable? Rob and http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr seem to make a good point! Dave On Dec 17, 2008, at 10:22 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > simple single word solution - UBUNTU > > Web, there are multiple choices, but alas, they are ALL vulnerable > in some > way, just that IE is worse. > > The more child-like MS tries to make their OS and browser, the more > children can break into them. MS wants it to be all things to all > people, > dumb it down, so much so that you can be dumb and hack their stuff. > > > >> >> On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: >>> >>> Microsoft says stay off the web until they get the patch out on >>> their update site. >>> >> >> >> Peter, >> I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune. But just as I don't understand >> your affinity to those loud smokey Maytag motors, I don't understand >> your blind allegiance to Gates. For how many years have I been >> warning you? http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 17 08:30:11 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:30:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229531411.49492913d9645@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Mate, Ya know, you'd figger a bloke YOUR AGE would realize that surfing a site dedicated to: XXXX - HOT NAKED UNIVERSITY COEDS DOING EVERY PERVERSION - XXXX Just _might_ give you a clue you weren't "surfing safely." US university "research" my ass. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - They aren't really coeds either. 8-)) PPS - There's probably ANOTHER reason that your screen "wobbled." You do still surf with your computer on your lap right? Quoting Peter Lowe : > I was looking through a US university site doing some research when I got > hit, the screen wobbled and the computer re-booted, my words were @#%*. From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 08:36:50 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:36:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines In-Reply-To: <1229530033.494923b15c740@webmail.city-net.com> References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> <1229530033.494923b15c740@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0812170836k5f3d076dy258886d1421e5971@mail.gmail.com> Japan DID declare war on the U.S. in 1907. It was triggered right here in San Francisco when our school board refused to allow any Asians - aimed at that time at Japanese - in public schools. That brought to a head many old tensions which were ended by Teddy Roosevelt's Gentlemen's Agreement. We had ships heading for the the area and our Philippine bases were on standby for action and we had Marines in route for combat. Don't worry; the foreigners got even. They and the gays run everything here now. Paul in SanFran From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 17 06:25:46 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:25:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <003801c96053$5a9d9a80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Chuck-san, > Surely, there must be SOME really old Japanese iron laying about, > under a collapsed barn or half buried in a creek. We Gaijin are > taught in school that the pre-WWII Japanese were nothing better than > feudalistic ox drivers, but that's just western propaganda. > Herded around by the cleverest of the lot . At least they werent communists At first glance I see 180,000 tons of iron in 1909 , double that to 350 by 1916 , and then WW1 really freaked somebody out, so they immediately took it to 750 thousand as of 2006 China was making about 600K tons a year . > This morning I was reading an article, written in 1909, about the > Japanese coal, iron, steel and shipbuilding industries. I'm no expert > and don't care to look up numbers, but I would wager that the Japanese > industrial capacity in 1909 surpassed the industrial capacity of 90% > of the worlds countries in 2008. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 07:38:33 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:38:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: <73976EED-8508-43B3-BF14-942C26AAA1EC@rustyiron.com> References: <73976EED-8508-43B3-BF14-942C26AAA1EC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812170738r73622d9awae3efc55ef14c730@mail.gmail.com> On 17/12/2008, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: >> >> Microsoft says stay off the web until they get the patch out on >> their update site. >> > > > Peter, > I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune. But just as I don't understand > your affinity to those loud smokey Maytag motors, I don't understand > your blind allegiance to Gates. For how many years have I been > warning you? http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr > Mr Jobs not keen either ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7786895.stm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 17 15:57:32 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:57:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812170738r73622d9awae3efc55ef14c730@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I understand the Babbage machine doesn't suffer from hacking problems. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 09:39 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Cc: ATIS > Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest virus release from China > > > On 17/12/2008, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > > On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> > >> Microsoft says stay off the web until they get > the patch out on > >> their update site. > >> > > > > > > Peter, > > I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune. But just > as I don't understand > > your affinity to those loud smokey Maytag > motors, I don't understand > > your blind allegiance to Gates. For how many > years have I been > > warning you? http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr > > > > Mr Jobs not keen either ? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7786895.stm > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 17 15:41:26 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:41:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter References: Message-ID: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> >I understand the Babbage machine doesn't suffer from hacking problems. > >>>>>>>>>>> That reminds me ! My neighborhood Unimog collector / oilfield telecomm guy is looking for an "old " AM transmitter . Do any of the resident broadcast engineers have one they wanna sell , or perhaps a pointer ? From gastzt at aol.com Wed Dec 17 15:51:17 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:51:17 EST Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: what frequencies__??????? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215047751x1200957972/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 23:38:18 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:38:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> On 17/12/2008, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > >I understand the Babbage machine doesn't suffer from hacking problems. >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > That reminds me ! > > My neighborhood Unimog collector / oilfield telecomm guy is looking for an > "old " AM transmitter . > Do any of the resident broadcast engineers have one they wanna sell , or > perhaps a pointer ? > Got a nice original 'GECophone' Crystal Set, still receives 2LO.... :-)) We have a large collection of old laboratory test gear, like galvanometers, resistance bridges and wattmeters, all in store at present, but hope to be able to get some out once the house is finished. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From don.h at wcoil.com Thu Dec 18 06:15:31 2008 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:15:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mr Diesel what freq ,how much power??? on the am rig Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > On 17/12/2008, Chuck Balyeat wrote: >> >I understand the Babbage machine doesn't suffer from hacking problems. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> That reminds me ! >> >> My neighborhood Unimog collector / oilfield telecomm guy is looking for >> an >> "old " AM transmitter . >> Do any of the resident broadcast engineers have one they wanna sell , or >> perhaps a pointer ? >> > > Got a nice original 'GECophone' Crystal Set, still receives 2LO.... :-)) > > We have a large collection of old laboratory test gear, like > galvanometers, resistance bridges and wattmeters, all in store at > present, but hope to be able to get some out once the house is > finished. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Dec 18 10:20:38 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:20:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > once the house is > finished. > > Peter When on earth will that be Peter? Rita tells me that it's going to get cold pretty soon! You had better get a move on! Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 11:02:49 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:02:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812181102t48b3dce5m87f1f4910679e83b@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, Don wrote: > Mr Diesel what freq ,how much power??? on the am rig > Don Don: Excuse my humour, crystal sets and 2L0 were early 1900's receivers and first BBC transmitter respectively. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 11:11:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:11:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, David Rotigel wrote: >> once the house is >> finished. >> >> Peter > > When on earth will that be Peter? Rita tells me that it's going to get > cold pretty soon! You had better get a move on! > Dave Hi Dave: We will be moving the hot water tank this weekend, and laying a new 1" plywood floor for the first floor, after we have revised all the electrics and plumbing. The back gable is completed and insulated, the front gable might be finished tomorrow afternoon, we should have roof tiles on before Xmas. Both side walls have been finished for 2 weeks now, and filled with Vermiculite insulation (A mica product). Got to pick up 25 X 8ft X 4ft plywood sheets on Saturday morning from London, then 25 sheets of 1/2" foil-back plasterboard on Monday, so we can spend Xmas putting up the ceiling and then laying the insulation on top. Really crappy having to live here with the builders working as well, but they have been really good workers and worth the money we are paying them. We are getting there.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 18 12:22:45 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:22:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> Gee Peter, Sounds like you and Rita have some really fun holiday plans there. I trust that you'll manage to work in a bottle of port between moving the hot water tank and installing the ceiling & insulation. It might also be nice to take her out for dinner over the holidays. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > We will be moving the hot water tank this weekend, and laying a new 1" > plywood floor for the first floor, after we have revised all the > electrics and plumbing. The back gable is completed and insulated, the > front gable might be finished tomorrow afternoon, we should have roof > tiles on before Xmas. Both side walls have been finished for 2 weeks > now, and filled with Vermiculite insulation (A mica product). > > Got to pick up 25 X 8ft X 4ft plywood sheets on Saturday morning from > London, then 25 sheets of 1/2" foil-back plasterboard on Monday, so we > can spend Xmas putting up the ceiling and then laying the insulation > on top. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Dec 18 12:32:41 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:32:41 EST Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: Hi Peter, Somewhere I got the notion that measuring using inches and feet was forbidden. I have even read of merchants being fined for weighing goods in pounds and ounces. Can you actually go into a builders' supply house and purchase 4'x8' plywood sheets, calling them by name? Thanks. Ron Carroll In a message dated 12/18/2008 1:18:54 PM Central Standard Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: Got to pick up 25 X 8ft X 4ft plywood sheets on Saturday morning from London, then 25 sheets of 1/2" foil-back plasterboard on Monday, so we can spend Xmas putting up the ceiling and then laying the insulation on top. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 18 14:46:42 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Chuck: Your friend may want to call around to outfits advertising Broadcast Engineering Services in the yellow pages. He could also call around local radio stations. Some of them seem to keep their retired transmitters around 'til they need to make room for something else. If all else fails, I could call a friend in Indiana who has been maintaining radio stations for years. He may have something in his warehouse......depending on what is needed. Remember that most broadcast AM transmitters (550kHz to 1710kHz) are pretty big, even the old 500 Watters. When you get into the bigger tube (valve) rigs (5kW or better), they get really big, running to five or more rack bays and several tons. I suppose he knows that he has to have a license to operate one........ The FCC takes a rather dim view of outlaw stations. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Chuck > Balyeat > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 05:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > > > >I understand the Babbage machine doesn't suffer > from hacking problems. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > That reminds me ! > > My neighborhood Unimog collector / oilfield > telecomm guy is looking for an > "old " AM transmitter . > Do any of the resident broadcast engineers have > one they wanna sell , or > perhaps a pointer ? From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 18 13:51:55 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:51:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909544D24@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> What happened to the charity auction? Years ago there were lots of things and even a bit of rivalry between the tractor list and the engine list. So far this year only one item has been listed and that is the Jeep manual. So is it just general lack of interest? Have so many people left the mailing lists that there is only a small group still active and none are interested in the auction? I could come up with something to donate, but if there generally is no interest I don't see the point. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 18 14:15:27 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:15:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229638527.494acb7fbea5a@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Ron, I think the Brits would pick up a 2440mm x 1220mm sheet and call it an eight by four sheet. For example, here's one listing... Softwood Plywood (L)2440 x (W)1220 x (T)12.5mm Dimension lumber is a bit trickier. They refer to it as "Construction Timber." A common one is a four by two. Here's a couple that are "close", but I don't know which one the Brits would expect if they said "Gimmie a four by two." BTW at five quid, it's pretty pricey. Graded C16 Construction Timber (L)3600 x (W)100 x (T)47mm Graded C16 Construction Timber (L)3600 x (W)75 x (T)47mm http://www.diy.com/ and scroll down... You are here: Home Building, Hardware & Tools, Timber, Functional Timber, Construction Timber. See ya, Arnie PS - Hopefully, one of the Brits will give us the straight skinny. Quoting MaytagTwin at aol.com: > Somewhere I got the notion that measuring using inches and feet was > forbidden. I have even read of merchants being fined for weighing goods in > pounds and ounces. Can you actually go into a builders' supply house and > purchase 4'x8' plywood sheets, calling them by name? From paul at internalfire.com Thu Dec 18 14:31:59 2008 From: paul at internalfire.com (Paul Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:31:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <1229638527.494acb7fbea5a@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1229638527.494acb7fbea5a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <494ACF5F.1040003@internalfire.com> fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > A common one is a four by two. Here's a couple that are "close", but I don't > know which one the Brits would expect if they said "Gimmie a four by two." 200 ft of four by two arrived today - 4" x 2" for strengthening shuttering boards. The shuttering boards are eight by four - 8ft x 4ft x 3/4" (19mm) and are still ordered as such, ?19 each! Total cost for shuttering the Allen we are working on will be around ?350, wood is expensive here :-( Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com Tel: 01239 811212 A member of the Association of Independent Museums. Supported by the IDGTE and Council of Museums for Wales (CYMAL) -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 17:41 From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Dec 18 14:53:58 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:53:58 EST Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: In a message dated 12/18/2008 2:18:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: Got to pick up 25 X 8ft X 4ft plywood sheets on Saturday morning Peter, If possible, put down AdvanTech rather than plywood. Much better that plywood. Been putting it down for a number of years now in new homes and it is great stuff. _http://www.huberwood.com/main.aspx?pagename=advantechflooring _ (http://www.huberwood.com/main.aspx?pagename=advantechflooring) Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Dec 18 14:55:06 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:55:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909544D24@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <005601c96163$ac0f7300$66674b47@mikecomp> Where's the link, I need to bid!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? > What happened to the charity auction? > > Years ago there were lots of things and even a bit of rivalry between > the tractor list and the engine list. > > So far this year only one item has been listed and that is the Jeep > manual. > > So is it just general lack of interest? > > Have so many people left the mailing lists that there is only a small > group still active and none are interested in the auction? > > I could come up with something to donate, but if there generally is no > interest I don't see the point. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 15:22:53 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:22:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? Message-ID: <160024.53367.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here it is. http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity Alan in Michigan --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Mike Royster wrote: From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 5:55 PM Where's the link, I need to bid!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? > What happened to the charity auction? > > Years ago there were lots of things and even a bit of rivalry between > the tractor list and the engine list. > > So far this year only one item has been listed and that is the Jeep > manual. > > So is it just general lack of interest? > > Have so many people left the mailing lists that there is only a small > group still active and none are interested in the auction? > > I could come up with something to donate, but if there generally is no > interest I don't see the point. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 18 15:27:35 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:27:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT////// transformer Message-ID: <004d01c96168$35d22f70$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> The plot thickens ... >I also need a "poll pig" transformer 120/240V sec. 6000-7200V or so pri. >5-20KW or so, It needs to have a "two bushing" pri. meaning it has two high >voltage terminals on top, although I may be able to convert a "single >bushing" unit > Craig > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Dec 18 15:55:17 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:55:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I second that opinion, Tom. That's all I use now. Almost all the builders I know use it too. Steve > From: Germoamer at aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:53:58 -0500> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter> > > In a message dated 12/18/2008 2:18:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:> > Got to pick up 25 X 8ft X 4ft plywood sheets on Saturday morning > > > Peter,> > If possible, put down AdvanTech rather than plywood. Much better that > plywood. Been putting it down for a number of years now in new homes and it is > great stuff.> > _http://www.huberwood.com/main.aspx?pagename=advantechflooring > > > _ (http://www.huberwood.com/main.aspx?pagename=advantechflooring) > Tom Schmutz> Concord, Va.> germoamer at AOL.com> **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 18 17:17:42 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:17:42 -0000 Subject: [SEL] XP Lexmark X1100 Printer Scanner. Message-ID: <000501c96177$98cfd690$3a290556@intrepid> While trying to fight the current virus threat I tried to download Microsofts patch. This did not work and told me to re-load Windows XP. This did get me running again but I had severe printer problems. Now we get to my problem, I have Lexmark 1100 all in one series discs CD2 & CD3 but I have lost disc one which is the required disc.! Does anyone have a copy of this disc to copy for me please. I will gladly pay for a disc and postage. TIA Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Dec 18 17:55:26 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:55:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] XP Lexmark X1100 Printer Scanner. References: <000501c96177$98cfd690$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <3C9E8ECC0C3E428AA96DF2905C7368C5@your46e94owx6a> Hi Dave, Have you tried the lexmark web site, it should be there to download. HP works this way so maybe Lexmark does to. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "Oldengine.org" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: [SEL] XP Lexmark X1100 Printer Scanner. While trying to fight the current virus threat I tried to download Microsofts patch. This did not work and told me to re-load Windows XP. This did get me running again but I had severe printer problems. Now we get to my problem, I have Lexmark 1100 all in one series discs CD2 & CD3 but I have lost disc one which is the required disc.! Does anyone have a copy of this disc to copy for me please. I will gladly pay for a disc and postage. TIA Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1855 - Release Date: 12/18/2008 10:16 AM From gastzt at aol.com Thu Dec 18 18:01:52 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:01:52 EST Subject: [SEL] XP Lexmark X1100 Printer Scanner. Message-ID: yes Lexmark does have a download site--- I had to use it on my Lexmark Z1300--- good machines! Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215047751x1200957972/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 18 18:05:04 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:05:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] XP Lexmark X1100 Printer Scanner. In-Reply-To: <000501c96177$98cfd690$3a290556@intrepid> References: <000501c96177$98cfd690$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <494B0150.8080801@rustic-engines.com> Tried here Dave? > http://support.lexmark.com/perl/support/support.cgi?ccs=229:1:0:0:0:0 Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Dave Croft wrote: > While trying to fight the current virus threat I tried to download Microsofts patch. > This did not work and told me to re-load Windows XP. > This did get me running again but I had severe printer problems. > Now we get to my problem, I have Lexmark 1100 all in one series discs CD2 & CD3 but > I have lost disc one which is the required disc.! > Does anyone have a copy of this disc to copy for me please. > I will gladly pay for a disc and postage. > TIA > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 18 20:42:07 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:42:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <005601c96163$ac0f7300$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909544D24@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <005601c96163$ac0f7300$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <1229661727.494b261f52249@webmail.city-net.com> Hmmmm, is the man all hat and no cattle? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Quoting Mike Royster : > Where's the link, I need to bid!!!!!!!! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 23:26:57 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:26:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160812182326s93df60ft9b843acf0ccc1c1@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Peter, > Somewhere I got the notion that measuring using inches and feet was > forbidden. I have even read of merchants being fined for weighing goods in > pounds > and ounces. Can you actually go into a builders' supply house and purchase > 4'x8' plywood sheets, calling them by name? > Thanks. > Ron Carroll > Strange to say, yes you can, although technically they are sold as Metric sheets 2440mm X 1220mm (96.06" X 48.03") It's a moot point if the sawmill can cut with an accuracy of 0.06", especially if you allow for drying shrinkage. 1/2" plasterboard is another one that seems to have slipped through as well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 23:28:15 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:28:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812182328meda25d2m7306c2558749a440@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Gee Peter, > > Sounds like you and Rita have some really fun holiday plans there. > > I trust that you'll manage to work in a bottle of port between moving the > hot water tank and installing the ceiling & insulation. It might also be nice > to take her out for dinner over the holidays. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie She'll be in there, holding the plasterboard sheets up while I hit the nails! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 23:33:22 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:33:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <494ACF5F.1040003@internalfire.com> References: <1229638527.494acb7fbea5a@webmail.city-net.com> <494ACF5F.1040003@internalfire.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812182333ta26063ehd2b596ffa18173d5@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, Paul Evans wrote: > Total cost for shuttering the Allen we are working on will be around > ?350, wood is expensive here :-( > > Paul I'll second that, and as most of it is imported from Scandinavia or Canada, there's a lot of handling/transport involved. Russian and Lithuanian timber is quite common now over here, but not especially cheap or good quality. We picked up 25 sheets of 1" 25mm 8' X 4' sheets of WBP (Weather and Boil Proof) plywood for ?15 a sheet, that's about a third of the retail, depending on where you are looking. That's what we are collecting tomorrow morning. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 23:35:55 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:35:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// transformer In-Reply-To: <004d01c96168$35d22f70$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <004d01c96168$35d22f70$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <6f6025160812182335v439b169ch315d1d2f52f471c7@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > The plot thickens ... > > >>I also need a "poll pig" transformer 120/240V sec. 6000-7200V or so pri. >>5-20KW or so, It needs to have a "two bushing" pri. meaning it has two high >> >>voltage terminals on top, although I may be able to convert a "single >>bushing" unit >> Craig I think Craig meant a 'Pole Pig" transformer, 11kV primary over here. Reduces 11kV cross-country low level HT to 415/440V three-phase Star, or 240V from the 440V three-phase twixt phase and neutral. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 23:39:23 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:39:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] XP Lexmark X1100 Printer Scanner. In-Reply-To: <000501c96177$98cfd690$3a290556@intrepid> References: <000501c96177$98cfd690$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <6f6025160812182339k5088900exb3714b2b528c306a@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, Dave Croft wrote: > While trying to fight the current virus threat I tried to download > Microsofts patch. Dave: If you set up 'Windows Updates' on your machine, it will tell you when these things are available and do most of the work for you. All of ours are set up this way, we had the notification yesterday morning on all our machines, here at home and at the factory. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Dec 19 02:18:40 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:18:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812182326s93df60ft9b843acf0ccc1c1@mail.gmail.com> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219051244.02f945f0@ncweb.com> Well, actually, no...! We in the US can buy 4x8 sheets, while in the UK you can only buy 8x4 sheets. The 4x8 sheets fit nicely in a van or truck, while the 8x4 sheets are a real problem to haul home, unless you put them in crossways. Just trying to help... Dave Merchant All I know about England, I learned from watching Top Gear. At 02:26 AM 12/19/2008, you wrote: >On 18/12/2008, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi Peter, > > Somewhere I got the notion that measuring using inches and feet was > > forbidden. I have even read of merchants being fined for weighing > goods in > > pounds > > and ounces. Can you actually go into a builders' supply house and > purchase > > 4'x8' plywood sheets, calling them by name? > > Thanks. > > Ron Carroll > > > >Strange to say, yes you can, although technically they are sold as >Metric sheets 2440mm X 1220mm (96.06" X 48.03") It's a moot point if >the sawmill can cut with an accuracy of 0.06", especially if you allow >for drying shrinkage. > >1/2" plasterboard is another one that seems to have slipped through as well. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From peter at loud-n-clear.net Fri Dec 19 03:11:23 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:11:23 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219051244.02f945f0@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219051244.02f945f0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <019b01c961ca$877a5840$8335c53e@doc> The reality is far more bizarre, let me tell you :) Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Merchant > Sent: 19 December 2008 10:19 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > ... > > Dave Merchant > All I know about England, I learned from watching Top Gear. > ... From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 03:22:19 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:22:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219051244.02f945f0@ncweb.com> References: <6f6025160812182326s93df60ft9b843acf0ccc1c1@mail.gmail.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20081219051244.02f945f0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812190322v7489cf0bred35c5215a64226c@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, Dave Merchant wrote: > Well, actually, no...! > > We in the US can buy 4x8 sheets, while in the UK you can only buy 8x4 > sheets. > > The 4x8 sheets fit nicely in a van or truck, while the 8x4 sheets > are a real problem to haul home, unless you put them in crossways. > > Just trying to help... > > Dave Merchant LOL! Like some of those contact breaker point gaps that are for sale on ebay.... The van has 9ft (or just over) inside and over 4ft between the wheel arches, so 8 X 4 are no problem. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 03:23:13 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:23:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <019b01c961ca$877a5840$8335c53e@doc> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219051244.02f945f0@ncweb.com> <019b01c961ca$877a5840$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <6f6025160812190323p3d4c17b2lead8c22de6d68ee8@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, Peter Scales wrote: > The reality is far more bizarre, let me tell you :) > > > Pete Bizzarre? Us nice Limeys ? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 19 03:40:15 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:40:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909544D24@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><005601c96163$ac0f7300$66674b47@mikecomp> <1229661727.494b261f52249@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <002501c961ce$8fdf8ec0$66674b47@mikecomp> Hmmmmmm, is the man all Nu and not clear??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? > Hmmmm, is the man all hat and no cattle? > http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 > > Quoting Mike Royster : > >> Where's the link, I need to bid!!!!!!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 19 05:53:11 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:53:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] SEL members in and around NC.....New Years Day Crankup. Message-ID: <59417.168.215.206.73.1229694791.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but due to a sickness in the family the annual New Years Day crankup at the farm of Tom Berry in Kings Mountain is canceled for this year. Tommy regrets this, but needs to devote his attention to taking care of his mom as she is recovering from some health issues. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 19 06:10:20 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:10:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812182328meda25d2m7306c2558749a440@mail.gmail.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160812182328meda25d2m7306c2558749a440@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229695820.494bab4c810c9@webmail.city-net.com> Sigh.... You are SUCH a romantic... Quoting Listerdiesel : > She'll be in there, holding the plasterboard sheets up while I hit the > nails! :-)) From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 19 06:11:31 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:11:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812182333ta26063ehd2b596ffa18173d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1229638527.494acb7fbea5a@webmail.city-net.com> <494ACF5F.1040003@internalfire.com> <6f6025160812182333ta26063ehd2b596ffa18173d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229695891.494bab93206fe@webmail.city-net.com> Your plywood gets BOILS????? Quoting Listerdiesel : > We picked up 25 sheets of 1" 25mm 8' X 4' sheets of WBP (Weather and > Boil Proof) plywood for ?15 a sheet, that's about a third of the > retail, depending on where you are looking. That's what we are > collecting tomorrow morning. From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Dec 19 07:17:58 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:17:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812182328meda25d2m7306c2558749a440@mail.gmail.com > References: <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. They also make a special Philips driver bit that has a collar around it to limit drive depth so you get the screw head dimpled in the right amount, without breaking the paper surface. It's amazing how fast you can put screws in a whole 4x8 sheet, probably about as fast with an 8x4. Dave Merchant At 02:28 AM 12/19/2008, you wrote: >On 18/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > Gee Peter, > > > > Sounds like you and Rita have some really fun holiday plans there. > > > > I trust that you'll manage to work in a bottle of port between moving the > > hot water tank and installing the ceiling & insulation. It might also > be nice > > to take her out for dinner over the holidays. 8-)) > > > > See ya, Arnie > >She'll be in there, holding the plasterboard sheets up while I hit the >nails! :-)) > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 19 08:10:14 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:10:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> References: <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <1229703014.494bc766a1528@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer deck to help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. 8-))) See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Merchant : > The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, > especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, > coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. > > They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is > wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support > for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. > > Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 08:26:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:26:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812190826o6b0fe123gabfeb6a8b6606921@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, Dave Merchant wrote: > The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, > especially for a ceiling. Yes, we have them here too, nobody uses the old galvanised nails for plasterboard any more. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 08:31:02 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:31:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <1229695820.494bab4c810c9@webmail.city-net.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160812182328meda25d2m7306c2558749a440@mail.gmail.com> <1229695820.494bab4c810c9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812190831y16e7ca4bs8d3552117bd3a05e@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Sigh.... You are SUCH a romantic... Yep, that's what she says also :-)) Love Is: Sleeping in a bed, in a bedroom with no roof, at -3 Centigrade, with a 16' X 12' polypropylene engine sheet over you to keep the weather out. Builders cr*p all over the place, brick and plaster dust all over everything and so on. If your marriage can survive that, it will probably survive anything. We should have windows in before Xmas, but the roof tiles won't go on until after. The front gable is about 5 ft down from the roof peak as I type and it's getting dark, so no more today. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 19 10:30:14 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:30:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL members in and around NC.....New Years Day Crankup. In-Reply-To: <59417.168.215.206.73.1229694791.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20081219183014.4UWWW.337857.root@cdptpa-web05-z02> Sorry to hear that, thanks for the info Curt! MR ---- curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but due to a sickness in the family > the annual New Years Day crankup at the farm of Tom Berry in Kings > Mountain is canceled for this year. > Tommy regrets this, but needs to devote his attention to taking care of > his mom as she is recovering from some health issues. > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From swebre at hotmail.com Fri Dec 19 11:38:31 2008 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:38:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seems I'm high bidder at present..... -Steve- From: mr at carolina.rr.com Wuss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 15 > > > Coward. :) > > -Steve- > > > > > --Forwarded Message Attachment-- > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:54:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > I'll sell you mine!!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Webre" > To: "sel" > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > >> Mike, >> >> $100? Not yet. I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... >> >> What are YOU waiting for? >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 >> bucks >> i >> would think!!!! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 >> >> >>> Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's >>> gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. >>> >>> That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> Quoting Steve Webre : >>> >>>> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >>>> >>>> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >>>> >>>> -Steve- >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >>>> >>>> Mike Royster >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >>>> > Manual >>>> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >>>> > the >>>> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >>>> > Auction? >>>> > >>>> > Francis Maciel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 19 12:00:54 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:00:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter References: <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com><002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com><1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <4C154A5E9DC8451AB74E34EAECF68C8B@YOURDA6F5028CB> I am still trying to get past a woman what can hold a 4'X8' or 8 x 4 sheet of drywall up against the clg. by herself. She would have to be at least 6'6" tall and weigh in at about 250 lbs. US. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Merchant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, > especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, > coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. > > They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is > wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support > for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. > > Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. > > They also make a special Philips driver bit that has a collar around > it to limit drive depth so you get the screw head dimpled in the right > amount, without breaking the paper surface. > > It's amazing how fast you can put screws in a whole 4x8 sheet, > probably about as fast with an 8x4. > > Dave Merchant > > > At 02:28 AM 12/19/2008, you wrote: >>On 18/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >> > Gee Peter, >> > >> > Sounds like you and Rita have some really fun holiday plans there. >> > >> > I trust that you'll manage to work in a bottle of port between moving >> > the >> > hot water tank and installing the ceiling & insulation. It might also >> be nice >> > to take her out for dinner over the holidays. 8-)) >> > >> > See ya, Arnie >> >>She'll be in there, holding the plasterboard sheets up while I hit the >>nails! :-)) >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 13:17:36 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:17:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <4C154A5E9DC8451AB74E34EAECF68C8B@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> <4C154A5E9DC8451AB74E34EAECF68C8B@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <6f6025160812191317pd528286h9f65c7d90c7b9955@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, Skip Cleveland wrote: > I am still trying to get past a woman what can hold a 4'X8' or 8 x 4 sheet > of drywall up against the clg. by herself. She would have to be at least > 6'6" tall and weigh in at about 250 lbs. US. > Skip More than that, Skip, our ceiling is 8' 3" off the floor..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 13:23:24 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:23:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909544D24@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909544D24@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812191323o7dccde5ap2ed94f5ef232b437@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, Best, George wrote: > What happened to the charity auction? It used to be announced on the List in October/November as I recall, Spencer would give out the url for the auction and off it would go. Didn't see anything last year until it was almost over, and don't recall anything this year either? There is a King Dick spanner in Greensburg PA for the auction which I left with Dave..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 19 13:27:31 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:27:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229722051.494c11c3df399@webmail.city-net.com> Oil Wars!! Oil Wars!! Actually Steve, I think you've got it. Steve (the Good Cloistered Oyster) told me not to worry, that Mike's so tight he squeeks when he moves. See ya, Arnie Quoting Steve Webre : > Seems I'm high bidder at present..... > > > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > Wuss From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 19 13:33:02 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:33:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812190831y16e7ca4bs8d3552117bd3a05e@mail.gmail.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160812182328meda25d2m7306c2558749a440@mail.gmail.com> <1229695820.494bab4c810c9@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160812190831y16e7ca4bs8d3552117bd3a05e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229722382.494c130ee5cf9@webmail.city-net.com> Damn Peter, that's really too bad. Over here the builders use a PortaJohn on a job site... Quoting Listerdiesel : > Builders cr*p all over the place, From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 19 14:52:01 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:52:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 References: Message-ID: <001901c9622c$68b698d0$66674b47@mikecomp> So it appears.......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 > > > Seems I'm high bidder at present..... > > -Steve- > > > > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > Wuss > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Webre" > To: "sel" > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 15 > > >> >> >> Coward. :) >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> >> >> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- >> From: mr at carolina.rr.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:54:03 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> >> I'll sell you mine!!!!! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Webre" >> To: "sel" >> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> >> >>> Mike, >>> >>> $100? Not yet. I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... >>> >>> What are YOU waiting for? >>> >>> -Steve- >>> >>> >>> Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 >>> bucks >>> i >>> would think!!!! >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 >>> >>> >>>> Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's >>>> gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. >>>> >>>> That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> Quoting Steve Webre : >>>> >>>>> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >>>>> >>>>> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >>>>> >>>>> -Steve- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >>>>> >>>>> Mike Royster >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: >>>>> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >>>>> > Manual >>>>> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep >>>>> > in >>>>> > the >>>>> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >>>>> > Auction? >>>>> > >>>>> > Francis Maciel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 19 14:55:18 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:55:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 References: <1229722051.494c11c3df399@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <002d01c9622c$dd720510$66674b47@mikecomp> Ahhhhhh, the great nu clur si en tis speaks!!!! But where is his bid, after all it is for charity?????? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 > Oil Wars!! Oil Wars!! > > Actually Steve, I think you've got it. Steve (the Good Cloistered Oyster) > told > me not to worry, that Mike's so tight he squeeks when he moves. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Steve Webre : > >> Seems I'm high bidder at present..... >> >> >> From: mr at carolina.rr.com >> Wuss > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 15:20:32 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:20:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? Message-ID: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, I don't see it on the auction site. http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Listerdiesel wrote: From: Listerdiesel Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 4:23 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- On 18/12/2008, Best, George wrote: > What happened to the charity auction? It used to be announced on the List in October/November as I recall, Spencer would give out the url for the auction and off it would go. Didn't see anything last year until it was almost over, and don't recall anything this year either? There is a King Dick spanner in Greensburg PA for the auction which I left with Dave..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 19 15:26:33 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:26:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com><1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com><5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com><4C154A5E9DC8451AB74E34EAECF68C8B@YOURDA6F5028CB> <6f6025160812191317pd528286h9f65c7d90c7b9955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38A7F63446AD45D58E1483718DE04F70@YOURDA6F5028CB> 8' is what I based my calculations on and we did have a drywall installer that met those criterion. "He" looked just like Clint Walker, the western movie star. His wife, a cute little thing, was his only helper, she nailed the material on but used stilts to reach. Just one little side bar. He was able to pick up two of the 4 x 8 sheets which are taped together for handling, by his teeth, so, your description of your wife's prowess says that she is a pretty tough chick. Behave yourself Peter. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > On 19/12/2008, Skip Cleveland wrote: >> I am still trying to get past a woman what can hold a 4'X8' or 8 x 4 >> sheet >> of drywall up against the clg. by herself. She would have to be at least >> 6'6" tall and weigh in at about 250 lbs. US. >> Skip > > More than that, Skip, our ceiling is 8' 3" off the floor..... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 15:28:27 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:28:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Arnie, I?prefer?the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on my trailer. This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: From: fero_ah at city-net.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:10 AM Hi Dave, Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer deck to help keep engines from moving around.? I like #10 x 3" long. I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. 8-))) See ya,? Arnie Quoting Dave Merchant : > The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, > especially for a ceiling.? In the US, they are black oxide coated, > coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. > > They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is > wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support > for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. > > Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 15:41:55 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:41:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 Message-ID: <880237.7371.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not now,,,,,,,,,,,,, Bid? 'er up. --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Mike Royster wrote: From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 5:52 PM So it appears.......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 > > > Seems I'm high bidder at present..... > > -Steve- > > > > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > Wuss > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Webre" > To: "sel" > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 15 > > >> >> >> Coward.???:) >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> >> >> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- >> From: mr at carolina.rr.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:54:03 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> >> I'll sell you mine!!!!! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Webre" >> To: "sel" >> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> >> >>> Mike, >>> >>> $100?? Not yet.? I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... >>> >>> What are YOU waiting for? >>> >>> -Steve- >>> >>> >>> Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 >>> bucks >>> i >>> would think!!!! >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 >>> >>> >>>> Now THAT'S just scary.? One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's >>>> gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. >>>> >>>> That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!!? 8->>>> >>>> >>>> See ya,? Arnie >>>> >>>> Quoting Steve Webre : >>>> >>>>> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >>>>> >>>>> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >>>>> >>>>> -Steve- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >>>>> >>>>> Mike Royster >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: >>>>> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A? Operation & Care >>>>> > Manual >>>>> > with a 1947 Copyright date.? Since, I have? no use for it (no Jeep >>>>> > in >>>>> > the >>>>> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate? to the Charity >>>>> > Auction? >>>>> > >>>>> > Francis? Maciel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 19 15:52:31 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:52:31 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494C33BF.6050700@optusnet.com.au> But Rita's heart is pure, giving her the strength of ten, as Alf Tennyson mentioned. JW? From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 19 15:54:48 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:54:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494C3448.2060606@rustic-engines.com> Wimps. :-P 4" bullet head nails, soap, favorite claw hammer, 1/8" nail punch ...... Yeah, and a jumbo pack of adhesive dressings. :-( Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Alan wrote: > Hey Arnie, > I prefer the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on my trailer. > This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. > The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:10 AM > > Hi Dave, > > Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer deck to > help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. > > I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. > 8-))) > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Dave Merchant : > > >> The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, >> especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, >> coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. >> >> They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is >> wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support >> for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. >> >> Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 16:40:36 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:40:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: <510628.16762.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Actually I like Form Nails even better than deck screws for my engine blocks. I am talking about the nails with two heads. One to set and the other one stands tall for easy pulling. Faster to set than screws and faster to remove. Just a hammer and no fancy cordless drill. The screws might hold tighter but the nails are less likely to snap off in a quick stop. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Al Harris wrote: From: Al Harris Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 6:54 PM Wimps. :-P 4" bullet head nails, soap, favorite claw hammer, 1/8" nail punch ...... Yeah, and a jumbo pack of adhesive dressings. :-( Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Alan wrote: > Hey Arnie, > I prefer the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on my trailer. >? This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. > The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:10 AM > > Hi Dave, > > Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer deck to > help keep engines from moving around.? I like #10 x 3" long. > > I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. > 8-))) > > See ya,? Arnie > > Quoting Dave Merchant : > >??? >> The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, >> especially for a ceiling.? In the US, they are black oxide coated, >> coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. >> >> They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is >> wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support >> for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. >> >> Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. >>? ??? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >??? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 19 17:08:27 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:08:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <510628.16762.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <510628.16762.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494C458B.4080505@rustic-engines.com> I'm a bit tired and clumsy of foot these days Alan. If a nails up I'll kick the darn thing, and probably lift my own nail. You're right though, most screws are prone to sheering, whilst a nail is usually softer. Especially if the screw is primed to sheer by over zealous tension from the cordless drill. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Alan wrote: > Actually I like Form Nails even better than deck screws for my > engine blocks. > I am talking about the nails with two heads. > One to set and the other one stands tall for easy pulling. > Faster to set than screws and faster to remove. > Just a hammer and no fancy cordless drill. > The screws might hold tighter but the nails are less likely to > snap off in a quick stop. > > Alan in Michigan > > > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Al Harris wrote: > > From: Al Harris > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 6:54 PM > > Wimps. :-P > > 4" bullet head nails, soap, favorite claw hammer, 1/8" nail punch ...... > > Yeah, and a jumbo pack of adhesive dressings. :-( > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Alan wrote: > >> Hey Arnie, >> I prefer the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on my trailer. >> This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. >> The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. >> >> Alan in Michigan >> >> --- On Fri, 12/19/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >> >> From: fero_ah at city-net.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:10 AM >> >> Hi Dave, >> >> Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer deck to >> help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. >> >> I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. >> 8-))) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Dave Merchant : >> >> >> >>> The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, >>> especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, >>> coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. >>> >>> They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is >>> wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support >>> for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. >>> >>> Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Dec 19 18:08:35 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:08:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter - now homebuilding In-Reply-To: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219204757.02ce7c80@ncweb.com> New deck screws are coming thru in the US with T25 Torx heads. Gives a real positive drive, but don't know how they'd be to remove after a few years exposure. Previously in the US, deck screws used a "combo" head, square drive superimposed on Phillips. Gave a lot of engagement for the matching driver, really worked well, but the T25 seems slightly better. Cement board screws here have square drive, and it's real easy to strip the square out to round, especially with the super-hard old pine studs + joists in our old house. Worst is square drive in some stainless screws we tried to use. The stainless is too soft, stripped out many heads. Deck screws, at least in the US, have a very special coating, since the enviro-crazies got the normal green pressure treated timber banned. The replacement is also green, but is about 4 times more corrosive to fasteners than the old stuff. (Manufacturer's statement, not mine!) We built a scaffold last year from pressure treated + 1/2" chromated bolts. Had it up for 2 weeks before dismantling it, and the bolts look like battery terminals. In areas subject to shear loads, I use a combination of nails + deck screws, the screws prevent pull-out, and the nails handle the shear. Dave Merchant At 06:28 PM 12/19/2008, Alan wrote: >Hey Arnie, >I prefer the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on >my trailer. > This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. >The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. > >Alan in Michigan > >--- On Fri, 12/19/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >From: fero_ah at city-net.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:10 AM > >Hi Dave, > >Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer >deck to >help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. > >I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. >8-))) > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Dave Merchant : > > > The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, > > especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, > > coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. > > > > They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is > > wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support > > for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. > > > > Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 18:18:13 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:18:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: <673292.78321.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So, Al, The way I figure it,,,, If I am going to pick my foot up to clear a 2X4 then I will probably clear those little nail heads too. 8>)) Actually another reason I like those nails is because I just have an old Makita 9.6 cordless drill and a cheap China 14 Volt one. Neither one is dependable with a lot of screws. I can't afford to go buy one of those fancy new 18 - 24 V. Lithium Ion drills. A builder I used to be partnered with said 16 penny nails sheer strength is 1000 pounds. I would rather go pick up that very nice 32 V. self starting Delco Light plant for just $500. The nice part is the box of 32 V. lightbulbs, the two 32 V. motors, the fancy old brass lamp and the nice small power hacksaw that all come with the Delco. I am not really into Delco light plants but this one comes from a very dear friend that probably will not be with us much longer. I heard him tell someone the price with everything was $ 1200 then when he told me the price for me I kinda got the idea he wanted me to have it. 8>)) It is such a complete display and very popular at shows. Besides,,, I wouldn't have much fun at shows with a fancy new drill. 8>))) Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Al Harris wrote: From: Al Harris Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 8:08 PM I'm a bit tired and clumsy of foot these days Alan. If a nails up I'll kick the darn thing, and probably lift my own nail. You're right though, most screws are prone to sheering, whilst a nail is usually softer. Especially if the screw is primed to sheer by over zealous tension from the cordless drill. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Alan wrote: > Actually I? like Form Nails even better than deck screws for my >? engine blocks. > I am talking about the nails with two heads. > One to set and the other one stands tall for easy pulling. > Faster to set than screws and faster to remove. > Just a hammer and no fancy cordless drill. > The screws might hold tighter but the nails are less likely to >? snap off in a quick stop. > > Alan in Michigan From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 19 18:43:52 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:43:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <673292.78321.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <673292.78321.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494C5BE8.9040100@rustic-engines.com> Alan wrote: > So, Al, The way I figure it,,,, If I am going to pick my foot up to clear a 2X4 then I > will probably clear those little nail heads too. 8>)) > LOL Nah, wouldn't happen ... oops. ;-) > Actually another reason I like those nails is because I just have an old Makita 9.6 > cordless drill and a cheap China 14 Volt one. > Neither one is dependable with a lot of screws. > I can't afford to go buy one of those fancy new 18 - 24 V. Lithium Ion drills. > A builder I used to be partnered with said 16 penny nails sheer strength is 1000 pounds. > Sounds right. > I would rather go pick up that very nice 32 V. self starting Delco Light plant for just $500. > The nice part is the box of 32 V. lightbulbs, the two 32 V. motors, the fancy old > brass lamp and the nice small power hacksaw that all come with the Delco. > I am not really into Delco light plants but this one comes from a very dear friend that > probably will not be with us much longer. > I heard him tell someone the price with everything was $ 1200 then when he told me > the price for me I kinda got the idea he wanted me to have it. 8>)) > It is such a complete display and very popular at shows. > Would be a nice display, and playable with. :-) > Besides,,, I wouldn't have much fun at shows with a fancy new drill. 8>))) > > Alan in Michigan > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri Dec 19 19:04:36 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:04:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> <4C154A5E9DC8451AB74E34EAECF68C8B@YOURDA6F5028CB> <6f6025160812191317pd528286h9f65c7d90c7b9955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I once saw a very medium sized guy pick up a 10 ft. sheet of 5/8 fire stop drywall by himself and screw it on to the wall. His method was to take a mouthful of screws, hold the sheet up with one hand, feed the screws one at a time out of his mouth to his screw gun and install them with amazing accuracyand speed, starting in the middle and working outward in a circle. Anybody that can hold up a sheet of this stuff by himself has got King Kong beat a mile. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter On 19/12/2008, Skip Cleveland wrote: > I am still trying to get past a woman what can hold a > 4'X8' or 8 x 4 sheet > of drywall up against the clg. by herself. She would have > to be at least > 6'6" tall and weigh in at about 250 lbs. US. > Skip More than that, Skip, our ceiling is 8' 3" off the floor..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Dec 19 19:10:12 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:10:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: <410-220081262031012171@earthlink.net> Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas . > I can't afford to go buy one of those fancy new 18 - 24 V. Lithium Ion drills. The Lithium Ion batteries are not worth a shit. Your better off with the Ni-Cad Packs. They will last longer on a charge, charge quicker and don't just quit when going dead. The Lithium Ion ones will just stop. At least with the NiCads, you have a chance to put it in low and finish putting the screw in before it will die all the way. The average barn I build will use around 12,000 1 1/2" screws to hold the skin on and we put both types of batteries to the test, the NiCads lasted almost twice as long as the Lithium ones did per charge. > A builder I used to be partnered with said 16 penny nails sheer strength is 1000 pounds. Actually it is about 400 pounds sheer strength. This was tested years ago by a metalurgist that worked for Bendix. He did many test on many nails and the average was close to 400. Tim Christoff Basehor Ks. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Dec 19 19:11:04 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:11:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel Message-ID: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, just kidding. My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to get another. I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I like the power of a diesel. I don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on MPG on the diesel. I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is it a fairly powerful engine, etc? Please give me your thoughts. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 19:14:59 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:14:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: <111828.14272.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On the wall that is easy. I used to do it that way all the time. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Jim Kirkes wrote: From: Jim Kirkes Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 10:04 PM I once saw a very medium sized guy pick up a 10 ft. sheet of 5/8 fire stop drywall by himself and screw it on to the wall.? His method was to take a mouthful of screws, hold the sheet up with one hand, feed the screws one at a time out of his mouth to his screw gun and install them with amazing accuracyand speed, starting in the middle and working outward in a circle.? Anybody that can hold up a sheet of this stuff by himself has got King Kong beat a mile. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter On 19/12/2008, Skip Cleveland wrote: > I am still trying to get past a woman what can hold a > 4'X8' or 8 x 4 sheet > of drywall up against the clg. by herself. She would have > to be at least > 6'6" tall and weigh in at about 250 lbs. US. > Skip More than that, Skip, our ceiling is 8' 3" off the floor..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Dec 19 19:18:28 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:18:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter - now homebuilding Message-ID: <410-220081262031828390@earthlink.net> Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Dave Merchant > To: The SEL email discussion list ; The SEL email discussion list > Date: 12/19/2008 8:10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter - now homebuilding > > New deck screws are coming thru in the US with T25 Torx heads. > Gives a real positive drive, but don't know how they'd be to remove > after a few years exposure. They seem to come back out very well as long as the head isn't packed with dirt. Pretty pricy though. > > Previously in the US, deck screws used a "combo" head, square drive > superimposed on Phillips. Gave a lot of engagement for the matching > driver, really worked well, but the T25 seems slightly better. The square drives are great as long as you use just a square tip, that combo tip is still too much like a phillips bit and will still start stripping them out after the first 100 or so. > > Cement board screws here have square drive, and it's real easy to > strip the square out to round, especially with the super-hard old pine > studs + joists in our old house. Worst is square drive in some stainless > screws we tried to use. The stainless is too soft, stripped out many heads. There is one stainless screw out there (don't know the name) but I never could strip one. One of my customers had gotten ahold of a 50lb box of them and I never could find them after that. > > Deck screws, at least in the US, have a very special coating, since the > enviro-crazies got the normal green pressure treated timber banned. Might want to check out the patten office on that one. Seems like just when CCA was determined bad for the enviroment, 3M's process patten ran out. Thats when they came out with ACQ and yes, that stuff will eat through damn near anything. > The replacement is also green, but is about 4 times more corrosive > to fasteners than the old stuff. (Manufacturer's statement, not mine!) > > We built a scaffold last year from pressure treated + 1/2" chromated bolts. > Had it up for 2 weeks before dismantling it, and the bolts look like > battery terminals. You should see what it does to a triple dip post mount after 2 months. > > > > >Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer > >deck to > >help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. > > > >I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. > >8-))) > > > >See ya, Arnie > > > >Quoting Dave Merchant : > > > > > The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, > > > especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, > > > coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. > > > > > > They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is > > > wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support > > > for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. > > > > > > Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Dec 19 19:20:11 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:20:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: <410-220081262032011312@earthlink.net> Been hanging 5/8's firerock for a week now and it still takes 2 of use to pick up a 12 footer. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Jim Kirkes > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 12/19/2008 9:05:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > > I once saw a very medium sized guy pick up a 10 ft. sheet of > 5/8 fire stop drywall by himself and screw it on to the > wall. His method was to take a mouthful of screws, hold the > sheet up with one hand, feed the screws one at a time out of > his mouth to his screw gun and install them with amazing > accuracyand speed, starting in the middle and working > outward in a circle. Anybody that can hold up a sheet of > this stuff by himself has got King Kong beat a mile. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > > > On 19/12/2008, Skip Cleveland > wrote: > > I am still trying to get past a woman what can hold a > > 4'X8' or 8 x 4 sheet > > of drywall up against the clg. by herself. She would have > > to be at least > > 6'6" tall and weigh in at about 250 lbs. US. > > Skip > > More than that, Skip, our ceiling is 8' 3" off the > floor..... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release > Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 19 20:42:59 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:42:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez In-Reply-To: <410-220081262031828390@earthlink.net> References: <410-220081262031828390@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <494C77D3.7060508@rustic-engines.com> > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/967794/shear_strength_of_nails_drywall_screws_amp_construction_screw/ Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tim Christoff wrote: > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Dave Merchant >> To: The SEL email discussion list ; The >> > SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 12/19/2008 8:10:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter - now homebuilding >> >> New deck screws are coming thru in the US with T25 Torx heads. >> Gives a real positive drive, but don't know how they'd be to remove >> after a few years exposure. >> > > They seem to come back out very well as long as the head isn't packed with > dirt. Pretty pricy though. > >> Previously in the US, deck screws used a "combo" head, square drive >> superimposed on Phillips. Gave a lot of engagement for the matching >> driver, really worked well, but the T25 seems slightly better. >> > > The square drives are great as long as you use just a square tip, that > combo tip is still too much like a phillips bit and will still start > stripping them out after the first 100 or so. > >> Cement board screws here have square drive, and it's real easy to >> strip the square out to round, especially with the super-hard old pine >> studs + joists in our old house. Worst is square drive in some stainless >> screws we tried to use. The stainless is too soft, stripped out many >> > heads. > > There is one stainless screw out there (don't know the name) but I never > could strip one. One of my customers had gotten ahold of a 50lb box of > them and I never could find them after that. > >> Deck screws, at least in the US, have a very special coating, since the >> enviro-crazies got the normal green pressure treated timber banned. >> > > Might want to check out the patten office on that one. Seems like just > when CCA was determined bad for the enviroment, 3M's process patten ran > out. Thats when they came out with ACQ and yes, that stuff will eat > through damn near anything. > > >> The replacement is also green, but is about 4 times more corrosive >> to fasteners than the old stuff. (Manufacturer's statement, not mine!) >> >> We built a scaffold last year from pressure treated + 1/2" chromated >> > bolts. > >> Had it up for 2 weeks before dismantling it, and the bolts look like >> battery terminals. >> > > You should see what it does to a triple dip post mount after 2 months. > >>> Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer >>> deck to >>> help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. >>> >>> I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a >>> > change. > >>> 8-))) >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Dec 19 21:16:19 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:16:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez Message-ID: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net> That video really doesn't prove much Al, not trying to pick a fight. Sheetrock screws are designed for sheetrock into lumber, thats it. Using them for anything else and they can and will shear easily. When watching that video, the man hit the construction screw in the threaded area. Yes it will shear easily there. That is why you buy construction screws with a shank that will allow the threads to completly embed in the receiving lumber and not between the two peices being joined. The shank will have greater shear strength then the threaded part. Nails are also (most of them) made of softer metal so they will bend or pull before shearing. You can take a ring shank nail of a 60D size, that's a hell of a lot bigger around than a 16D, and shear it in half with just 2 hits of a 22 oz hammer if the ring part of the nail is not completly embelded in the lumber. So there is a large nail that is no better than a smaller screw when not used properly. With the proper screw being used, you can put something together a lot tighter and stronger than you can using nails but you will also pay for it in the cost of the screws and the time it takes to insert them. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Al Harris > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 12/19/2008 10:43:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez > > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/967794/shear_strength_of_nails_drywall_screws_ amp_construction_screw/ > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Tim Christoff wrote: > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Dave Merchant > >> To: The SEL email discussion list ; The > >> > > SEL email discussion list > > > >> Date: 12/19/2008 8:10:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter - now homebuilding > >> > >> New deck screws are coming thru in the US with T25 Torx heads. > >> Gives a real positive drive, but don't know how they'd be to remove > >> after a few years exposure. > >> > > > > They seem to come back out very well as long as the head isn't packed with > > dirt. Pretty pricy though. > > > >> Previously in the US, deck screws used a "combo" head, square drive > >> superimposed on Phillips. Gave a lot of engagement for the matching > >> driver, really worked well, but the T25 seems slightly better. > >> > > > > The square drives are great as long as you use just a square tip, that > > combo tip is still too much like a phillips bit and will still start > > stripping them out after the first 100 or so. > > > >> Cement board screws here have square drive, and it's real easy to > >> strip the square out to round, especially with the super-hard old pine > >> studs + joists in our old house. Worst is square drive in some stainless > >> screws we tried to use. The stainless is too soft, stripped out many > >> > > heads. > > > > There is one stainless screw out there (don't know the name) but I never > > could strip one. One of my customers had gotten ahold of a 50lb box of > > them and I never could find them after that. > > > >> Deck screws, at least in the US, have a very special coating, since the > >> enviro-crazies got the normal green pressure treated timber banned. > >> > > > > Might want to check out the patten office on that one. Seems like just > > when CCA was determined bad for the enviroment, 3M's process patten ran > > out. Thats when they came out with ACQ and yes, that stuff will eat > > through damn near anything. > > > > > >> The replacement is also green, but is about 4 times more corrosive > >> to fasteners than the old stuff. (Manufacturer's statement, not mine!) > >> > >> We built a scaffold last year from pressure treated + 1/2" chromated > >> > > bolts. > > > >> Had it up for 2 weeks before dismantling it, and the bolts look like > >> battery terminals. > >> > > > > You should see what it does to a triple dip post mount after 2 months. > > > >>> Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer > >>> deck to > >>> help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. > >>> > >>> I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a > >>> > > change. > > > >>> 8-))) > >>> > >>> See ya, Arnie > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Dec 19 21:26:37 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:26:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <005201c96263$8849c4b0$98dd4e10$@net> Hey Tommy Nuther good place to look for info would be an RV list on yahoo. I went that route before I bought my last truck (debating Ford, GM or Dodge diesels). Lotsa folks pull those big 5th wheel travel trailers & can give you opinions. Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, just kidding. My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to get another. I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I like the power of a diesel. I don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on MPG on the diesel. I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is it a fairly powerful engine, etc? Please give me your thoughts. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 19 21:33:51 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:33:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez In-Reply-To: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net> References: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <494C83BF.7090304@rustic-engines.com> So you didn't think much of the professional presentation, the accuracy of the data and the obvious amount of research that went into that production. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tim Christoff wrote: > That video really doesn't prove much Al, not trying to pick a fight. > Sheetrock screws are designed for sheetrock into lumber, thats it. Using > them for anything else and they can and will shear easily. When watching > that video, the man hit the construction screw in the threaded area. Yes > it will shear easily there. That is why you buy construction screws with a > shank that will allow the threads to completly embed in the receiving > lumber and not between the two peices being joined. The shank will have > greater shear strength then the threaded part. Nails are also (most of > them) made of softer metal so they will bend or pull before shearing. You > can take a ring shank nail of a 60D size, that's a hell of a lot bigger > around than a 16D, and shear it in half with just 2 hits of a 22 oz hammer > if the ring part of the nail is not completly embelded in the lumber. So > there is a large nail that is no better than a smaller screw when not used > properly. With the proper screw being used, you can put something together > a lot tighter and stronger than you can using nails but you will also pay > for it in the cost of the screws and the time it takes to insert them. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 21:51:39 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:51:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812192151r307074c4h198322686d80a4b3@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, Alan wrote: > Hi Peter, > I don't see it on the auction site. > http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity > > Alan in Michigan No, I think I'll need to put it on, but Dave has the spanner with him, I left it for him to hold for the auction. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 19 22:25:20 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:25:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812192151r307074c4h198322686d80a4b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160812192151r307074c4h198322686d80a4b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, Should I take a picture of the wrench and send it to you so you can put it up properly? As you know it's a nice sized King Dick--5/8 Woodworth X 3/4 Woodworth. It is "as new" and I don't think either end has ever seen a nut, much less touched one! Your wish is my command! Dave PS, Did they put a S/N on these King Dick wrenches? There is the number 1207887 on the obverse of the 5/8 W end! On Dec 20, 2008, at 12:51 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 19/12/2008, Alan wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> I don't see it on the auction site. >> http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity >> >> Alan in Michigan > > No, I think I'll need to put it on, but Dave has the spanner with him, > I left it for him to hold for the auction. > > Peter From kosh at ncweb.com Sat Dec 20 02:02:59 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:02:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <005201c96263$8849c4b0$98dd4e10$@net> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081220045244.02a20b40@ncweb.com> I bought a 2003 RAM 2500 with the 5.7 Hemi a few months ago, a bit over 100K miles. It's a really sophisticated engine, high teens if you don't push it too hard, but goes like a raped ape if you put your foot in it. Only problem is, you can only do it for a few seconds before you're a speeder. Not much torque, so they put a 5 speed (3 + 2 overdrives) behind it. Revs to about 6000 before it shifts. I bought it when gas was at $4, dealer practically gave it away. We like it a lot! I believe the newer ones may turn off cylinders to save even more. Dave Merchant At 12:26 AM 12/20/2008, you wrote: >Hey Tommy > >Nuther good place to look for info would be an RV list on yahoo. I went >that route before I bought my last truck (debating Ford, GM or Dodge >diesels). Lotsa folks pull those big 5th wheel travel trailers & can give >you opinions. > >Lew near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- > >OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on this.... >in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, just kidding. > >My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to get >another. I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks have had >Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I like the power of a diesel. I >don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying around >50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas although I know there will be a 30 >to 40% gain on MPG on the diesel. > >I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year old, 9000 >miles and has all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi gas >engine rather than a diesel. Do any of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? >Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is it a fairly powerful >engine, etc? > >Please give me your thoughts. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 >10:09 AM > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 05:22:30 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:22:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: References: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160812192151r307074c4h198322686d80a4b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812200522m7b350859s359ae2cd10cd0f27@mail.gmail.com> On 20/12/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > Peter, > Should I take a picture of the wrench and send it to you so you can > put it up properly? As you know it's a nice sized King Dick--5/8 > Whitworth X 3/4 Whitworth. It is "as new" and I don't think either end > has ever seen a nut, much less touched one! Your wish is my command! > Dave > PS, Did they put a S/N on these King Dick wrenches? There is the > number 1207887 on the obverse of the 5/8 W end! Hi Dave: As you are more familiar with the auction operations, would you do me a great favour and put it on there for me please? The number you mentioned is probably either the MOD (Ministry of Defence) stores number of the tool part number, they wouldn't have been serialised. Note that the word you were looking for is "Whitworth", I have corrected your post above to reflect the correct name, we must keep Sir Joseph happy! Many thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 05:27:05 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:27:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com> On 20/12/2008, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on this.... > in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, just kidding. > Tommy: I have no experience with the large USA pickups, only the smaller but more frugal European machinery. One thing they all have in common, is an increased complexity of electronic equipment, such that it can be very difficult to get any kind of service/repair done unless you go to a franchised dealership. OK, not everyone wants to get their hands dirty, but while we used to do a lot of the work on our vans, nowadays we cannot get into them, it's all sealed boxes everywhere. >From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine. Just a thought. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 06:44:43 2008 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:44:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <305501.24082.qm@web52304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Tommy I would not buy a new diesel until this DPF bs is sorted out.? There are heaps of older?lightly used low mileage diesels out there.? I'd hunt around for one of those.? Found my 97 F350 diesel on truckpaper.com with only 36K.? I will never ever go back to driving a gasser.? --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: From: Judge Tommy Turner Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 10:11 PM OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, just kidding. My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to get another. I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I like the power of a diesel. I don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on MPG on the diesel. I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is it a fairly powerful engine, etc? Please give me your thoughts. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sat Dec 20 07:06:43 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:06:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <00e301c962b4$9246f950$12d74c0c@D48VHZ61> No personal experience but I workd with a guy who has a 4wd with a Hemi. It drinks so much fuel he bought used little Honda car to drive back and forth to work. He originally bought the truck to tow a trailer for his side-line business. Now he no longer uses it for that purpose, so its hard to justify the excess fuel consumption. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on > this.... in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, > just kidding. > > My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to get > another. I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks have > had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I like the power of a diesel. > I don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying > around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas although I know there will > be a 30 to 40% gain on MPG on the diesel. > > I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year old, > 9000 miles and has all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a 5.7 > Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any of you have a truck with the > 5.7 in it? Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is it a > fairly powerful engine, etc? > > Please give me your thoughts. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Dec 20 08:56:54 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:56:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Tommy: What are 'ya, some kind of truck snob!??! :-) 200K is all it's got on it? It ain't but just broke-in now. You can stitch old license plates together with metal screws to fix things like rotted floorboards and quarter panels and the bed can be fixed with plywood and duck tape. If you're absolutely in a lather to trade, I would ditch the hemi. Stick with a Cummins. I've gotten to where I won't buy anything but old iron that has spark plugs. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 09:11 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > > OK everyone, I'm consulting the most > knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the > mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get > worked up, just kidding. > > My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 > miles and its time to get another. I can't > decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks > have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I > like the power of a diesel. I don't like paying > $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying > around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas > although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on > MPG on the diesel. > > I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm > looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has > all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a > 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any > of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? Just > curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is > it a fairly powerful engine, etc? > > Please give me your thoughts. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 20 08:31:07 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:31:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: Message-ID: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> I am kind of with Elden, only 200,000!! I bet you take good care of it, and that engine should go 5-600,000 with little to no problem. Like one guy told me, I drive a Cummins with a Dodge wrapped around it. Me, I have 625,000 on a 7.3 Ford, and I would head to the West coast tomorrow, if I had a load. My next truck will probably be a 04-06 Chevy Duramax. Darn good value for the money. Paul - IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Tommy: > > What are 'ya, some kind of truck snob!??! :-) > > 200K is all it's got on it? It ain't but just broke-in now. You can > stitch old license plates together with metal screws to fix things like > rotted floorboards and quarter panels and the bed can be fixed with > plywood and duck tape. > > If you're absolutely in a lather to trade, I would ditch the hemi. Stick > with a Cummins. I've gotten to where I won't buy anything but old iron > that has spark plugs. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Judge Tommy >> Turner >> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 09:11 PM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel >> >> >> OK everyone, I'm consulting the most >> knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the >> mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get >> worked up, just kidding. >> >> My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 >> miles and its time to get another. I can't >> decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks >> have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I >> like the power of a diesel. I don't like paying >> $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying >> around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas >> although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on >> MPG on the diesel. >> >> I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm >> looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has >> all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a >> 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any >> of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? Just >> curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is >> it a fairly powerful engine, etc? >> >> Please give me your thoughts. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 20 08:39:30 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:39:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking In-Reply-To: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1229791170.494d1fc20e1e2@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Alan, I had exactly the opposite experience. I started using the square drive screws and had two problems. One, the screw heads stripped out, and two if you rounded or lost the square drive bit, you were screwed. EVERYONE has the Phillips bits and can loan you one in a pinch. There are two keys to using the Phillips deck screws. Buy top quality screws (they strip out less often) and really press down to get good contact while you're driving the screws. And one more thing, I just don't reuse the screws. Sure it's wasteful, but the hassle of a stripped screw head far outweighs the price of a box of screws. See ya, Arnie Quoting Alan : > I?prefer?the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on my > trailer. This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. > The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 20 08:52:17 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:52:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - now homebuilding (gas pipe corrosion) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219204757.02ce7c80@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219204757.02ce7c80@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <1229791937.494d22c178f74@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, You bring up an EXCELLENT point. A buddy at work had a length of common black gas pipe that penetrated a pair of pressure-treated sill boards on top of his foundation to take the gas supply out to the gas grill on the deck. The family had been getting whiffs of gas smell both on the deck and in the gameroom. It turns out that the length of pipe was nearly corroded away where it had penetrated the pressure treated wood. NASTY corrosive stuff!! He could have easily been in a situation where the basement filled with gas and you had the classic home-leveling gas explosion. It's a good practice to check anything that's metal penetrating that sort of wood. Since a lot of us use pressure-treated wood for our engine trailer decks, it might be a good idea to check out the condition of the bolts holding the deck to the trailer frame too. See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Merchant : > Deck screws, at least in the US, have a very special coating, since the > enviro-crazies got the normal green pressure treated timber banned. > The replacement is also green, but is about 4 times more corrosive > to fasteners than the old stuff. (Manufacturer's statement, not mine!) > > We built a scaffold last year from pressure treated + 1/2" chromated bolts. > Had it up for 2 weeks before dismantling it, and the bolts look like > battery terminals. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 20 08:55:30 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:55:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Delco Light Plant Display In-Reply-To: <673292.78321.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <673292.78321.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1229792130.494d23824447c@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Alan, Is that power hacksaw also 32V? Man, that sure does sound like an awesome display! Any pictures of it? Is it one of the bigger light plants? See ya, Arnie Quoting Alan : > I would rather go pick up that very nice 32 V. self starting Delco Light > plant for just $500. > The nice part is the box of 32 V. lightbulbs, the two 32 V. motors, the fancy > old > brass lamp and the nice small power hacksaw that all come with the Delco. > I am not really into Delco light plants but this one comes from a very dear > friend that > probably will not be with us much longer. > I heard him tell someone the price with everything was $ 1200 then when he > told me > the price for me I kinda got the idea he wanted me to have it. 8>)) > It is such a complete display and very popular at shows. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 20 10:21:49 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:21:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> Message-ID: <5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx> Yeah, I agree that I've got only about 1/2 the life out of the engine (maybe less than 1/2). But that is one reason I'm looking at doing something now. My truck has enough life left in it that it will bring a few bucks. Most important of all though was that the family went on a trip to NY last weekend in the pickup. The wife said "I want you to get a new truck or at least a newer one". When she says that, its time to trade! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Waugh Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:31 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel I am kind of with Elden, only 200,000!! I bet you take good care of it, and that engine should go 5-600,000 with little to no problem. Like one guy told me, I drive a Cummins with a Dodge wrapped around it. Me, I have 625,000 on a 7.3 Ford, and I would head to the West coast tomorrow, if I had a load. My next truck will probably be a 04-06 Chevy Duramax. Darn good value for the money. Paul - IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Tommy: > > What are 'ya, some kind of truck snob!??! :-) > > 200K is all it's got on it? It ain't but just broke-in now. You can > stitch old license plates together with metal screws to fix things like > rotted floorboards and quarter panels and the bed can be fixed with > plywood and duck tape. > > If you're absolutely in a lather to trade, I would ditch the hemi. Stick > with a Cummins. I've gotten to where I won't buy anything but old iron > that has spark plugs. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Judge Tommy >> Turner >> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 09:11 PM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel >> >> >> OK everyone, I'm consulting the most >> knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the >> mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get >> worked up, just kidding. >> >> My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 >> miles and its time to get another. I can't >> decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks >> have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I >> like the power of a diesel. I don't like paying >> $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying >> around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas >> although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on >> MPG on the diesel. >> >> I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm >> looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has >> all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a >> 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any >> of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? Just >> curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is >> it a fairly powerful engine, etc? >> >> Please give me your thoughts. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From weolson at wiktel.com Sat Dec 20 10:43:06 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:43:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez In-Reply-To: <494C83BF.7090304@rustic-engines.com> References: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net> <494C83BF.7090304@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <1489701113.20081220124306@wiktel.com> Hi Al, Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:33:51 PM, you wrote: AH> So you didn't think much of the professional presentation, the accuracy AH> of the data and the obvious amount of research that went into that AH> production. ;-) AH> Cheers, AH> Al Harris AH> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz AH> al.harris at rustic-engines.com AH> Tim Christoff wrote: >> That video really doesn't prove much Al, not trying to pick a fight. >> Sheetrock screws are designed for sheetrock into lumber, thats it. Using >> them for anything else and they can and will shear easily. When watching >> that video, the man hit the construction screw in the threaded area. Yes >> it will shear easily there. That is why you buy construction screws with a >> shank that will allow the threads to completly embed in the receiving >> lumber and not between the two peices being joined. The shank will have >> greater shear strength then the threaded part. Nails are also (most of >> them) made of softer metal so they will bend or pull before shearing. You >> can take a ring shank nail of a 60D size, that's a hell of a lot bigger >> around than a 16D, and shear it in half with just 2 hits of a 22 oz hammer >> if the ring part of the nail is not completly embelded in the lumber. So >> there is a large nail that is no better than a smaller screw when not used >> properly. With the proper screw being used, you can put something together >> a lot tighter and stronger than you can using nails but you will also pay >> for it in the cost of the screws and the time it takes to insert them. >> Tim Christoff >> Basehor Kansas >> AH> _______________________________________________ AH> SEL mailing list AH> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com AH> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel The video wasn't showing the shear strength of the fastener, but the bending force or brittleness of each. Shear strength would be when you fastened two pieces together and then force one of them laterally to try to shear it off, like when two blades of scissors slide on each other. -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sat Dec 20 11:16:51 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:16:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez In-Reply-To: <1489701113.20081220124306@wiktel.com> References: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net> <494C83BF.7090304@rustic-engines.com> <1489701113.20081220124306@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <494D44A3.7040501@rustic-engines.com> Crikey, I wish I had a couple more bridges to flog off. I'm letting go now fellas. ;-) I got a xmas party to get ready for today. You lot up north there - shorts, thongs, beer, prawn/shrimp on the BBQ - ya know. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com William Olson wrote: > Hi Al, > > Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:33:51 PM, you wrote: > > AH> So you didn't think much of the professional presentation, the accuracy > AH> of the data and the obvious amount of research that went into that > AH> production. ;-) > > AH> Cheers, > > AH> Al Harris > AH> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > AH> al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > AH> Tim Christoff wrote: > >>> That video really doesn't prove much Al, not trying to pick a fight. >>> Sheetrock screws are designed for sheetrock into lumber, thats it. Using >>> them for anything else and they can and will shear easily. When watching >>> that video, the man hit the construction screw in the threaded area. Yes >>> it will shear easily there. That is why you buy construction screws with a >>> shank that will allow the threads to completly embed in the receiving >>> lumber and not between the two peices being joined. The shank will have >>> greater shear strength then the threaded part. Nails are also (most of >>> them) made of softer metal so they will bend or pull before shearing. You >>> can take a ring shank nail of a 60D size, that's a hell of a lot bigger >>> around than a 16D, and shear it in half with just 2 hits of a 22 oz hammer >>> if the ring part of the nail is not completly embelded in the lumber. So >>> there is a large nail that is no better than a smaller screw when not used >>> properly. With the proper screw being used, you can put something together >>> a lot tighter and stronger than you can using nails but you will also pay >>> for it in the cost of the screws and the time it takes to insert them. >>> > > >>> Tim Christoff >>> Basehor Kansas >>> >>> > > AH> _______________________________________________ > AH> SEL mailing list > AH> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > AH> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > The video wasn't showing the shear strength of the fastener, but the bending force or brittleness of each. Shear strength would be when you fastened two pieces together and then force one of them laterally to try to shear it off, like when two blades of scissors slide on each other. > > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 20 12:30:13 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:30:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> I would certainly agree with you on this Peter. The newest version of diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas though. I was chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking company. He told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent satellite connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc. while the trucks were on the road. He said everything from a local 1 ton delivery to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way. Really too high tech for me! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > >>From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be > easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine. > > Just a thought. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Dec 20 12:59:03 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:59:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com> <912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net> Hi Tommy, I'm not even sure that these damn internal combustion engines aren't just the latest "fad." Have you given any thought to steam? Dave On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > I would certainly agree with you on this Peter. The newest version of > diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas > though. I was > chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking > company. He > told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent > satellite > connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc. > while > the trucks were on the road. He said everything from a local 1 ton > delivery > to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way. Really > too high > tech for me! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >> >>> From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be >> easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine. >> >> Just a thought. >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: > 12/17/2008 > 7:21 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 12:46:00 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:46:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Delco Light Plant Display Message-ID: <755855.14045.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Arnie, I don't have any pictures of my soon to be new baby. It didn't look all that big to me. It is on a small wheeled cart. One of those 32V. motors I listed powers the hacksaw. You stand there next to the saw and lamp smiling at folks. When one stops you ask if they would like to see the saw run. Then you tell them to flip the switch and the light plant sitting in the back of his pickup starts up then the saw starts. Just turning on the lamp is not enough to excite the Delco. Bill is very great at displaying this Delco because he grew up with one just like it. He tells folks he was 12 when his dad couldn't get it to run. Dad went to work so Bill opened it up and played with it. Then he started it for his Mom. When Dad came home he gave the Delco to Bill to maintain. I will have to work out my own speel I guess. 8>)) Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 12/20/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: From: fero_ah at city-net.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Delco Light Plant Display To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 11:55 AM Hi Alan, Is that power hacksaw also 32V?? Man, that sure does sound like an awesome display!? Any pictures of it?? Is it one of the bigger light plants? See ya,? Arnie Quoting Alan : > I would rather go pick up that very nice 32 V. self starting Delco Light > plant for just $500. > The nice part is the box of 32 V. lightbulbs, the two 32 V. motors, the fancy > old > brass lamp and the nice small power hacksaw that all come with the Delco. > I am not really into Delco light plants but this one comes from a very dear > friend that >? probably will not be with us much longer. > I heard him tell someone the price with everything was $ 1200 then when he > told me >? the price for me I kinda got the idea he wanted me to have it. 8>)) > It is such a complete display and very popular at shows. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 12:49:01 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:49:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel Message-ID: <192442.52605.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just 200,000 miles? It is just nicely broke in. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: From: Judge Tommy Turner Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 10:11 PM OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, just kidding. My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to get another.? I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route.? I like the power of a diesel.? I don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on MPG on the diesel. I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has all the equipment I desire.? Its a Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel.? Do any of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it?? Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is it a fairly powerful engine, etc? Please give me your thoughts. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 20 13:00:06 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:00:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h><6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com><912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> <52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> Well I've thought about that Dave. I had better do something quick though as I've heard that beginning Jan. 20 we have to run 'em on solar or wind....... maybe an electric 3/4 ton pickup? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Hi Tommy, I'm not even sure that these damn internal combustion > engines aren't just the latest "fad." Have you given any thought to > steam? > Dave > > > On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> >> I would certainly agree with you on this Peter. The newest version of >> diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas >> though. I was >> chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking >> company. He >> told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent >> satellite >> connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc. >> while >> the trucks were on the road. He said everything from a local 1 ton >> delivery >> to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way. Really >> too high >> tech for me! >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>> >>>> From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be >>> easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine. >>> >>> Just a thought. >>> >>> Peter >>> -- >>> Peter A Forbes >>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: >> 12/17/2008 >> 7:21 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 13:10:39 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:10:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking Message-ID: <897501.52536.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Arnie, You have been nuked or something. If the square drive holes aren't full of crud and you use the right bit they won't strip out like that. Whenever one of my cordless or even a power drill goes out my drill accessory kit goes too. There are at least a dozen square drive inserts and two dozen Phillip's inserts in there. If one does leave a drill and I don't have the kit with me it goes in my pocket. I?do reuse the square drive screws. These are tools to me. Aren't they actually toys to you? 8>)) Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 12/20/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: From: fero_ah at city-net.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 11:39 AM Hi Alan, I had exactly the opposite experience.? I started using the square drive screws and had two problems.? One, the screw heads stripped out, and two if you rounded or lost the square drive bit, you were screwed.? EVERYONE has the Phillips bits and can loan you one in a pinch. There are two keys to using the Phillips deck screws.? Buy top quality screws (they strip out less often) and really press down to get good contact while you're driving the screws.? And one more thing, I just don't reuse the screws. Sure it's wasteful, but the hassle of a stripped screw head far outweighs the price of a box of screws. See ya,? Arnie Quoting Alan : > I?prefer?the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on my > trailer.? This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. > The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 20 13:34:04 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:34:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Delco Light Plant Display In-Reply-To: <755855.14045.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <755855.14045.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1229808844.494d64ccc93f6@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Alan, Bill Tremel and his dad had a great light plant setup. It was a duplicate of the oil well drilling platform where the light plant came from with loads of lights. They'd to that same sort of "flip the switch" spiel. It worked a treat. See ya, Arnie Quoting Alan : > I don't have any pictures of my soon to be new baby. > It didn't look all that big to me. > It is on a small wheeled cart. > > One of those 32V. motors I listed powers the hacksaw. > You stand there next to the saw and lamp smiling at folks. > When one stops you ask if they would like to see the saw run. > Then you tell them to flip the switch and the light plant sitting in the back > of his pickup starts up then the saw starts. > Just turning on the lamp is not enough to excite the Delco. > Bill is very great at displaying this Delco because he grew up with one just > like it. > He tells folks he was 12 when his dad couldn't get it to run. > Dad went to work so Bill opened it up and played with it. > Then he started it for his Mom. > When Dad came home he gave the Delco to Bill to maintain. > > I will have to work out my own speel I guess. 8>)) From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 20 13:48:31 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:48:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h><6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com><912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> <52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net> <6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <1229809711.494d682f462cf@webmail.city-net.com> Tommy, >From what I've heard, it's gonna be wind powered trucks. As a part of the "make jobs / improve the nation's infrastructure" project, Obama and his advisors are planning to raise all of the bridges over the Interstate highways to provide clearance for the windmills that will be mounted on top of the trucks to power them. BTW they are also going to require that ALL of the big rigs have arrays of solar panels mounted on top. It's gonna be a Brave New World. See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Well I've thought about that Dave. I had better do something quick though as > I've heard that beginning Jan. 20 we have to run 'em on solar or wind....... > maybe an electric 3/4 ton pickup? From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Dec 20 14:54:08 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:54:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h><6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com><912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> <52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net> <6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, Are you having buyers remorse already? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 20, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Well I've thought about that Dave. I had better do something quick > though as > I've heard that beginning Jan. 20 we have to run 'em on solar or > wind....... > maybe an electric 3/4 ton pickup? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > >> Hi Tommy, I'm not even sure that these damn internal combustion >> engines aren't just the latest "fad." Have you given any thought to >> steam? >> Dave >> >> >> On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >>> >>> I would certainly agree with you on this Peter. The newest >>> version of >>> diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas >>> though. I was >>> chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking >>> company. He >>> told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent >>> satellite >>> connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc. >>> while >>> the trucks were on the road. He said everything from a local 1 ton >>> delivery >>> to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way. Really >>> too high >>> tech for me! >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be >>>> easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine. >>>> >>>> Just a thought. >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> -- >>>> Peter A Forbes >>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: >>> 12/17/2008 >>> 7:21 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: > 12/17/2008 > 7:21 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Dec 20 16:57:59 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:57:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> Message-ID: <20081220225806.57A74228344@md5.pennswoods.net> Tommy i have a friend the has a salvage business with autos. He was going to buy a newer ford with the 6.0 D engine. Factor rep told him to stay awayFrom them they had them down all over the country. He said stay with Cummins or the Duramax. R Fink PA At 11:31 AM 12/20/2008 -0500, you wrote: >I am kind of with Elden, only 200,000!! I bet you take good care of it, and >that engine should go 5-600,000 with little to no problem. Like one guy >told me, I drive a Cummins with a Dodge wrapped around it. Me, I have >625,000 on a 7.3 Ford, and I would head to the West coast tomorrow, if I had >a load. My next truck will probably be a 04-06 Chevy Duramax. Darn good >value for the money. From falcon at telenet.net Sat Dec 20 15:05:18 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:05:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <494D7A2E.5030307@telenet.net> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on > this.... in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked > up, just kidding. > > My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to > get another. I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 > trucks have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I like the > power of a diesel. I don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel > engine though and paying around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. > gas although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on MPG on the > diesel. > > I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year > old, 9000 miles and has all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with > a 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any of you have a > truck with the 5.7 in it? Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it > will get, is it a fairly powerful engine, etc? > > Please give me your thoughts. > > Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > FIL has a 3/4 ton with a hemi in it. It LOVES gas. 13-15 is the best it gets. Plenty of power and will scream down the road. I would say to go with an oil burner. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Dec 20 15:14:29 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:14:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> <20081220225806.57A74228344@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <001001c962f8$b61a7b10$66674b47@mikecomp> I have the new Chevy Silverado 2500 with the duramaz 6 speed automatic. Loads of torque, quick acceleration, pulls great. I have a service body on it full of tools and it gets 17-19mpg combination city / highway driving. I like it. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Tommy i have a friend the has a salvage business with autos. He was > going to buy a newer ford with the 6.0 D engine. Factor rep told him > to stay awayFrom them they had them down all over the country. He > said stay with Cummins or the Duramax. > R Fink > PA > > > > At 11:31 AM 12/20/2008 -0500, you wrote: >>I am kind of with Elden, only 200,000!! I bet you take good care of it, >>and >>that engine should go 5-600,000 with little to no problem. Like one guy >>told me, I drive a Cummins with a Dodge wrapped around it. Me, I have >>625,000 on a 7.3 Ford, and I would head to the West coast tomorrow, if I >>had >>a load. My next truck will probably be a 04-06 Chevy Duramax. Darn good >>value for the money. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 20 16:44:33 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:44:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h><6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com><912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h><52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net><6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <28F51982CB144BFB94A576AC04E1C4C3@tommydk7hxjr4h> Heck no, I'm just trying to figure out if this new truck needs to be 220 or 3 phase. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Hi Tommy, Are you having buyers remorse already? > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Dec 20, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Well I've thought about that Dave. I had better do something quick >> though as >> I've heard that beginning Jan. 20 we have to run 'em on solar or >> wind....... >> maybe an electric 3/4 ton pickup? >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel >> >> >>> Hi Tommy, I'm not even sure that these damn internal combustion >>> engines aren't just the latest "fad." Have you given any thought to >>> steam? >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I would certainly agree with you on this Peter. The newest >>>> version of >>>> diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas >>>> though. I was >>>> chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking >>>> company. He >>>> told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent >>>> satellite >>>> connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc. >>>> while >>>> the trucks were on the road. He said everything from a local 1 ton >>>> delivery >>>> to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way. Really >>>> too high >>>> tech for me! >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be >>>>> easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine. >>>>> >>>>> Just a thought. >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter A Forbes >>>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: >>>> 12/17/2008 >>>> 7:21 PM >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: >> 12/17/2008 >> 7:21 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sat Dec 20 16:55:47 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:55:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <28F51982CB144BFB94A576AC04E1C4C3@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h><6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com><912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h><52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net><6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> <28F51982CB144BFB94A576AC04E1C4C3@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <003001c96306$dc6a5700$953f0500$@net> Well, 3ph should run cheaper but limited availability :) :) Lew -----Original Message----- Heck no, I'm just trying to figure out if this new truck needs to be 220 or 3 phase. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 20 17:02:03 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:02:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> <20081220225806.57A74228344@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <7DCAA9C24F3841619A36DAF8951BB957@tommydk7hxjr4h> I've heard the same thing about the Fords. I hate that as they're made about 45 miles from me and I've got about a dozen neighbors that work there (well, they have worked there I should say..... ) They're on a 4 week layoff right now and have been told it might be extended. I passed their lot a couple of days ago and I bet there is 5000 new F 250's and F 350's sitting there. If I could only go in and pick one out (for free) I'd put up with some mechanic work. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY PS: Talking about getting one for free, there is a guy who lives about 5 miles from me and the RR track (L&N which is now CSX) goes through his property. A new F 250, loaded on a rail car, fell off and rolled down an embankment and ended up in his hay field. The authorities determined that the rail car had been sabotaged by vandals with a cutting torch. Still don't see how the pickup came off but it did. Ford and CSX signed an agreement with him that was a settlement of sorts. In return for holding them harmless for the incident, he got the pickup. It was banged up all over but would run. He had a neighbor beat it out so the doors would shut, etc. and put some new glass in it. He drove it for a few years around the farm, to the feed store etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Tommy i have a friend the has a salvage business with autos. He was > going to buy a newer ford with the 6.0 D engine. Factor rep told him > to stay awayFrom them they had them down all over the country. He > said stay with Cummins or the Duramax. > R Fink > PA > > > > At 11:31 AM 12/20/2008 -0500, you wrote: >>I am kind of with Elden, only 200,000!! I bet you take good care of it, >>and >>that engine should go 5-600,000 with little to no problem. Like one guy >>told me, I drive a Cummins with a Dodge wrapped around it. Me, I have >>625,000 on a 7.3 Ford, and I would head to the West coast tomorrow, if I >>had >>a load. My next truck will probably be a 04-06 Chevy Duramax. Darn good >>value for the money. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From jbcast at charter.net Sat Dec 20 18:23:47 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:23:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <20081220212347.HPGW1.1792826.root@mp17> Diesels give better mileage, but the fuel is more expensive. ---- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > I would certainly agree with you on this Peter. The newest version of > diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas though. I recently repaired an 07 GMC gas burner for one of the local rebuilders. It was struck by lightning, sent to the dealer, replaced engine computer and instrument cluster, then totaled and sent to the auction. I had to replace the ABS module, airbag module, passenger presence sensor under the seat, A/C control panel, two air door actuators, 6 of the 8 ignition coils,, 2 fuel injectors, remote door lock module, one abs wheel speed sensor, onstar module, and the trans computer. Some of the modules had visible damage, a capacitor in the abs exploded, capacitors in the mode motors were fried. These components were spread through the truck, it's not even imaginable what took place when it was hit. My guess is it hit the onstar antena and went through the serial data line from one computer to the next. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 20:15:09 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:15:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel Message-ID: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not if you make your own fuel. Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 12/20/08, jbcast at charter.net wrote: From: jbcast at charter.net Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Judge Tommy Turner" Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 9:23 PM Diesels give better mileage, but the fuel is more expensive. ---- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > I would certainly agree with you on this Peter.? The newest version of > diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas though.? I recently repaired an 07 GMC gas burner for one of the local rebuilders. It was struck by lightning, sent to the dealer, replaced engine computer and instrument cluster, then totaled and sent to the auction. I had to replace the ABS module, airbag module, passenger presence sensor under the seat, A/C control panel, two air door actuators, 6 of the 8 ignition coils,, 2 fuel injectors, remote door lock module, one abs wheel speed sensor, onstar module, and the trans computer. Some of the modules had visible damage, a capacitor in the abs exploded, capacitors in the mode motors were fried. These components were spread through the truck, it's not even imaginable what took place when it was hit. My guess is it hit the onstar antena and went through the serial data line from one computer to the next. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Sat Dec 20 17:22:47 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:22:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx> References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> <5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx> Message-ID: <0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Wow... my wife knows that if she ever told me what to do with my vehicle, I'd have to toss her to the curb! I drive nothing but $500 beaters though. (i'm talking about the car, not the wife :-)) -Tony At 12:21 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote: The wife said "I want you to get >a new truck or at least a newer one". When she says that, its time to >trade! From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 20 20:37:34 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:37:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew><5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx> <0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: You don't understand Tony, she says its time to get a new truck.... and she's giving me the money to pay for it! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Wow... my wife knows that if she ever told me what to do with my > vehicle, I'd have to toss her to the curb! I drive nothing but $500 > beaters though. (i'm talking about the car, not the wife :-)) > > -Tony > > > At 12:21 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote: > The wife said "I want you to get >>a new truck or at least a newer one". When she says that, its time to >>trade! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 20 21:40:13 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:40:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew><5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx> <0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <75712246-29ED-4F36-A20D-ABD6B299BDC6@rustyiron.com> On Dec 20, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > You don't understand Tony, she says its time to get a new truck.... > and > she's giving me the money to pay for it! You'd better hold on to that woman, bro. From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sat Dec 20 21:48:20 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:48:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Mogul 1HP main bearing bushes Message-ID: <115307.7997.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> er, ummm, excuse me, old engine question here... Making new main bronze bushes for 1HP Mogul. Why do they have a setscrew to hold the bush in place. I mean, are these bushes made eccentric to allow for rotation to give wear adjustment then fix with the setscrew and locknut? Why wouldn't they just go for a press fit. The old ones needed pressing out. Graham, Oz Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 20 21:57:50 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:57:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812200522m7b350859s359ae2cd10cd0f27@mail.gmail.com> References: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160812192151r307074c4h198322686d80a4b3@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812200522m7b350859s359ae2cd10cd0f27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3249604F-DF7D-4F06-B0FF-530109E14903@rustyiron.com> On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:22 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > As you are more familiar with the auction operations, would you do me > a great favour and put it on there for me please? Hey, Peter. The Woolworth wrench cannot be found on the oldironauction web page. Could Evil Dave have snatched the candy from the mouths of orphans and traded your Woolworth to a pretty coed with a skimpy outfit and a pole to dance upon? From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 01:22:20 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:22:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <3249604F-DF7D-4F06-B0FF-530109E14903@rustyiron.com> References: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160812192151r307074c4h198322686d80a4b3@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812200522m7b350859s359ae2cd10cd0f27@mail.gmail.com> <3249604F-DF7D-4F06-B0FF-530109E14903@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812210122s384ff9bdrc12082dca56a1287@mail.gmail.com> On 21/12/2008, Rob Skinner wrote: > Hey, Peter. The Woolworth wrench cannot be found on the > oldironauction web page. Could Evil Dave have snatched the candy from > the mouths of orphans and traded your Woolworth to a pretty coed with > a skimpy outfit and a pole to dance upon? I'd have thought that Dave has had enough of Co-Ed's over the years to last him.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 01:23:47 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:23:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mogul 1HP main bearing bushes In-Reply-To: <115307.7997.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <115307.7997.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812210123j5b916696m82c51a428c41a325@mail.gmail.com> On 21/12/2008, Graham Harris wrote: > er, > ummm, excuse me, old engine question here... > > Making new main bronze bushes for 1HP Mogul. Why do they have a setscrew to > hold the bush in place. I mean, are these bushes made eccentric to allow for > rotation to give wear adjustment then fix with the setscrew and locknut? Why > wouldn't they just go for a press fit. The old ones needed pressing out. > > Graham, Oz Usually, to stop possible rotation of the bushes and thus cutting off the oil feed. Quite a common feature. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 01:33:11 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:33:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking In-Reply-To: <1229791170.494d1fc20e1e2@webmail.city-net.com> References: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1229791170.494d1fc20e1e2@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812210133xe06b9f7la05e43fa719e76e6@mail.gmail.com> On 20/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Alan, > > I had exactly the opposite experience. I started using the square drive > screws > and had two problems. One, the screw heads stripped out, and two if you > rounded or lost the square drive bit, you were screwed. EVERYONE has the > Phillips bits and can loan you one in a pinch. > > There are two keys to using the Phillips deck screws. Buy top quality > screws > (they strip out less often) and really press down to get good contact while > you're driving the screws. And one more thing, I just don't reuse the > screws. > Sure it's wasteful, but the hassle of a stripped screw head far outweighs > the > price of a box of screws. > > See ya, Arnie We started screwing down the 1" ply last evening, using 5 X 50 (just over 3/16" X 2") CSK self-drill screws with Pozi/Philips heads. No problems at all, each box of 200 screws comes with a new driver bit, so no excuse for worn bits, that goes for all the sizes of screws. We have a little Hitachi cordless drill that we bought last year, $100 or so including a bit set with the drill, a separate comprehensive bit set and three batteries. Great little tool, probably no good for preofessional use but OK for what we are doing. Just laying out the shower and sanitary stuff on the floor this morning, so we can get the waste and water pipes laid down. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 21 04:33:57 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:33:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew><5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx><0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <9BCDAFC06E7148A1B94CECD26736BA15@PaulNew> Oh, Now we have the rest of the story :))) I guess I would buy a truck also Paul - IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > You don't understand Tony, she says its time to get a new truck.... and > she's giving me the money to pay for it! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony & Jackie" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > >> Wow... my wife knows that if she ever told me what to do with my >> vehicle, I'd have to toss her to the curb! I drive nothing but $500 >> beaters though. (i'm talking about the car, not the wife :-)) >> >> -Tony >> >> >> At 12:21 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote: >> The wife said "I want you to get >>>a new truck or at least a newer one". When she says that, its time to >>>trade! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: > 12/17/2008 > 7:21 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 21 06:10:59 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:10:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew><5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx><0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> <75712246-29ED-4F36-A20D-ABD6B299BDC6@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <2908E3FACF2D49249EF8E8B67B97693E@tommydk7hxjr4h> I will! I think I've about got her convinced to give me the money now and I'll buy the truck later.... of course, the wise thing to do with the money right now would be to invest it in an engine! Tommy Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > On Dec 20, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> You don't understand Tony, she says its time to get a new truck.... >> and >> she's giving me the money to pay for it! > > > You'd better hold on to that woman, bro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 21 06:35:08 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:35:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <2908E3FACF2D49249EF8E8B67B97693E@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew><5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx><0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> <75712246-29ED-4F36-A20D-ABD6B299BDC6@rustyiron.com> <2908E3FACF2D49249EF8E8B67B97693E@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <63c4c81956d88039ed61d3966cb90c3f.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, That's pushing the envelope! Good on ya mate!! See ya, Arnie > I will! I think I've about got her convinced to give me the money > now and I'll buy the truck later.... of course, the wise thing to > do with the money right now would be to invest it in an engine! > Tommy Turner -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jbcast at charter.net Sun Dec 21 06:48:38 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 6:48:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15> ---- Alan wrote: > Not if you make your own fuel. > Alan in Michigan > I guess you're making bio diesel out of cooking oil. I don't like to stop long enough to fill my truck at the pump, much less go looking for used oil and processing it. I've got more work than I can do, plenty engines that need restoring, and not enough time to do any of them. I can make good money repairing vehicles, can work 7 days a week if I want to, I don't burn enough fuel to start another hobby. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Dec 21 08:28:48 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:28:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel Message-ID: <410-2200812021162848281@earthlink.net> > I will! I think I've about got her convinced to give me the money now and > I'll buy the truck later.... of course, the wise thing to do with the money > right now would be to invest it in an engine! > > Tommy Turner I'm guessing that your not the Judge at home then, but since you've about got her convinced then why not go for both, the new truck and a new engine. Lets see, A new 3/4 to 1 ton fully loaded truck is going to cost at least 50 to 55 thou. So, take 5 thousand ane get a new paint job on the old truck (macco will do it for about $198) and spend a few thousand on some basic tune ups and the like. Presto! A new truck. You should have at least 40 to 45 thousand left in your pocket to buy that nice new engine with. Tim Christoff Basehor KS. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Dec 21 08:33:14 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:33:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking Message-ID: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> Why 1" ply Peter? Is that a common floor thickness there? Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > We started screwing down the 1" ply last evening, Peter From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 21 10:48:04 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:48:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <410-2200812021162848281@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tim That's why I love the SEL, great ideas to share! Tommy Turner > > I'm guessing that your not the Judge at home then, but since you've about > got her convinced then why not go for both, the new truck and a new > engine. > Lets see, A new 3/4 to 1 ton fully loaded truck is going to cost at least > 50 to 55 thou. So, take 5 thousand ane get a new paint job on the old > truck (macco will do it for about $198) and spend a few thousand on some > basic tune ups and the like. Presto! A new truck. You should have at > least 40 to 45 thousand left in your pocket to buy that nice new engine > with. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor KS. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 12:34:28 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:34:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking In-Reply-To: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com> On 21/12/2008, Tim Christoff wrote: > Why 1" ply Peter? Is that a common floor thickness there? > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas Probably not, 3/4" or 18mm is more common, but these sheets were much cheaper than I could usually buy them. We paid ?15 per 8; X 4' sheet, and we collected. Regular retail woodyards sell 3/4" for ?45.00 plus tax per sheet, and 1" is ?60+ per sheet plus tax, so you see why we used the 1" :-)) They were also very good quality, not shuttering ply which is pretty rough at the best of times, these were very nice faced ply with no defects at all. Lugging them through the house and up the stairs was NO fun at all! We had to take the front door and the kitchen door off, so the sheets would turn the corner, and once the upstairs is finished, we won't have the room to turn the sheets on the stairs that we do now. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 12:36:51 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:36:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15> References: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15> Message-ID: <6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.com> On 21/12/2008, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > > ---- Alan wrote: >> Not if you make your own fuel. >> Alan in Michigan >> > I guess you're making bio diesel out of cooking oil. I don't like to stop > long enough to fill my truck at the pump, much less go looking for used oil > and processing it. I've got more work than I can do, plenty engines that > need restoring, and not enough time to do any of them. I can make good money > repairing vehicles, can work 7 days a week if I want to, I don't burn enough > fuel to start another hobby. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA I think the cooking oil fuel thing has mostly died a death now, so many folks have tried it and found that it is not quite what they were led to expect. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 21 13:05:52 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:05:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> <6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: To handle the 4 x 8 sheets, you need one of these. I'm going to get one the next time I have to handle several sheets of plywood. Watch the video, you'll learn about the tool and have a little fun too! (PS, which guy are you?). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwC7zJrzSw8 Tommy > On 21/12/2008, Tim Christoff wrote: >> Why 1" ply Peter? Is that a common floor thickness there? >> >> Tim Christoff >> Basehor Kansas > > Probably not, 3/4" or 18mm is more common, but these sheets were much > cheaper than I could usually buy them. We paid ?15 per 8; X 4' sheet, > and we collected. Regular retail woodyards sell 3/4" for ?45.00 plus > tax per sheet, and 1" is ?60+ per sheet plus tax, so you see why we > used the 1" :-)) > > They were also very good quality, not shuttering ply which is pretty > rough at the best of times, these were very nice faced ply with no > defects at all. > > Lugging them through the house and up the stairs was NO fun at all! > We had to take the front door and the kitchen door off, so the sheets > would turn the corner, and once the upstairs is finished, we won't > have the room to turn the sheets on the stairs that we do now. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 21 13:42:10 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:42:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15> <6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <863BD4646D4F46CCAE8FBE1642C575DE@PaulNew> I did not try it, but researched and talking to those that had .... Nope, not worth it even when diesel was $4.00 a gallon Paul - IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Alan" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > On 21/12/2008, jbcast at charter.net wrote: >> >> ---- Alan wrote: >>> Not if you make your own fuel. >>> Alan in Michigan >>> >> I guess you're making bio diesel out of cooking oil. I don't like to stop >> long enough to fill my truck at the pump, much less go looking for used >> oil >> and processing it. I've got more work than I can do, plenty engines that >> need restoring, and not enough time to do any of them. I can make good >> money >> repairing vehicles, can work 7 days a week if I want to, I don't burn >> enough >> fuel to start another hobby. >> J.B. Castagnos >> Belle Rose, LA > > I think the cooking oil fuel thing has mostly died a death now, so > many folks have tried it and found that it is not quite what they were > led to expect. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Dec 21 14:15:19 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:15:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15> <6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081221221511.9B967900C8@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> >I think the cooking oil fuel thing has mostly died a death now, so >many folks have tried it and found that it is not quite what they were >led to expect. Peter I still have guys q-ing up for my used frying oil. (Older guys with more time on their hands anyway) At present the bloke who is making his own fuel from it is mostly using it in a tractor and a big diesel pump. There does seem to be plenty of interest in Oz still for this smelly crap. Russell From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 21 15:19:08 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:19:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com> References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> <6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229901548.494eceec5ea90@webmail.city-net.com> Gee Peter, You NEED a Gorilla Gripper... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007TYCA8/interactiveda8345-20 See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > Lugging them through the house and up the stairs was NO fun at all! From bdb at mchsi.com Sun Dec 21 16:32:51 2008 From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:32:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Trailer Deck Engine Blocking Message-ID: This is for those of you that like model engines. Hey Reg , you going to try this one? Barry Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking > Gee Peter, > > You NEED a Gorilla Gripper... > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007TYCA8/interactiveda8345-20 > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Listerdiesel : > >> Lugging them through the house and up the stairs was NO fun at all! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kimmell at verizon.net Sun Dec 21 17:42:37 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:42:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> <5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx> <0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <0KC9008YS8NP2MG6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Guess I can't argue with that one! I'd get a new one every year if my wife would pay for it! -Tony At 10:37 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote: >You don't understand Tony, she says its time to get a new truck.... and >she's giving me the money to pay for it! > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY From kimmell at verizon.net Sun Dec 21 17:59:22 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:59:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <20081221221511.9B967900C8@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15> <6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.com> <20081221221511.9B967900C8@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <0KC900D1E9HQRXQ9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> There's still plenty of interest in it over here in the US. The problem is that we don't have as many diesel powered cars over here. I had a friend who used to have a bio making setup a few years ago. He had an old diesel Mercedes that he ran with it. According to him the engines run better on bio and it has more lubricity than regular diesel, which is better for the injection pump. If I remember right, his cost worked out to be about 60 cents per gallon once you factor in the cost of methanol and lye for the conversion process. He worked with a company where he could buy the chemicals in bulk for alot cheaper. I filled my old diesel VW Rabbit up with his fuel a few times and it did seem to run better. Exhaust smells like a deep fryer! Although the stuff does wax over a lot easier in cold weather, so you have to be generous with the fuel treatment. -Tony At 04:15 PM 12/21/2008, Russell wrote: >Peter I still have guys q-ing up for my used frying oil. (Older guys >with more time on their hands anyway) At present the bloke who is >making his own fuel from it is mostly using it in a tractor and a big >diesel pump. There does seem to be plenty of interest in Oz still for >this smelly crap. From obise at moscow.com Sun Dec 21 18:01:15 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:01:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812220201.mBM21VdF043620@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: Alan Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel I think the cooking oil fuel thing has mostly died a death now, so many folks have tried it and found that it is not quite what they were led to expect. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's about time it died. I can't understand all the hype it got in the first place: 1) There's not enough used cooking oil in all the world to make any difference in energy supplies. 2) By the time a person drives all over town rounding up oil, then processing it, then subtracting the volume of unusable glycerin, amortizing start-up costs, goes through the hassle of waste disposal and wastes a whole bunch of their time, the balance sheet looks to me to be in the red, right off the git-go. 3) I can see it now: Veggie oil wars. There are only two deep fat fryers in town but there are five guys brewing their own fuel. I *hope* the hype dies down. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 18:02:53 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:02:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel Message-ID: <850416.55265.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi JB I wish I had your work problem. Alan Plus, I have everything here that I need to make a couple hundred gallons of biodiesel but my diesel truck is buggered up and currently snowbound. --- On Sun, 12/21/08, jbcast at charter.net wrote: From: jbcast at charter.net Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Alan" Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 9:48 AM ---- Alan wrote: > Not if you make your own fuel. > Alan in Michigan > I guess you're making bio diesel out of cooking oil. I don't like to stop long enough to fill my truck at the pump, much less go looking for used oil and processing it. I've got more work than I can do, plenty engines that need restoring, and not enough time to do any of them. I can make good money repairing vehicles, can work 7 days a week if I want to, I don't burn enough fuel to start another hobby. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Dec 21 19:10:51 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:10:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <200812220201.mBM21VdF043620@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <002c01c963e2$e5c0db30$69d14c0c@D48VHZ61> You forgot about the states requiring permits/fees to run you car on this stuff. We actually have so FEW problems here in N.C. that we PAY state workers to go around busting backyard tinkerers for running vehicles on home made diesel. It seems the DOT really wants their fuel taxes. I better hush before I start ranting about being last in education but a not a dirt road left in the whole state! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin B Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Alan > Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > I think the cooking oil fuel thing has mostly died a death now, so > many folks have tried it and found that it is not quite what they were > led to expect. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > It's about time it died. I can't understand all the hype it got in the > first place: > > 1) There's not enough used cooking oil in all the world to make any > difference in energy supplies. > > 2) By the time a person drives all over town rounding up oil, then > processing it, then subtracting the volume of unusable glycerin, > amortizing > start-up costs, goes through the hassle of waste disposal and wastes a > whole > bunch of their time, the balance sheet looks to me to be in the red, right > off the git-go. > > 3) I can see it now: Veggie oil wars. There are only two deep fat > fryers > in town but there are five guys brewing their own fuel. > > I *hope* the hype dies down. > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 22:59:52 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:59:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking In-Reply-To: <1229901548.494eceec5ea90@webmail.city-net.com> References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> <6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com> <1229901548.494eceec5ea90@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812212259y2d570c9bmc4f0cfa9b24cc2a9@mail.gmail.com> On 21/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Gee Peter, > > You NEED a Gorilla Gripper... > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007TYCA8/interactiveda8345-20 > > See ya, Arnie Thanks Arnie & Tommy: There are lots of handling solutions available, but you still have to get the sheets up two flights of stairs! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Dec 21 23:50:22 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:50:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net><6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com><1229901548.494eceec5ea90@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160812212259y2d570c9bmc4f0cfa9b24cc2a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40132956CA9346F781AE2FB3414E57CC@REG> I thought that was Rita's job!! You just did the nailing bit! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking > On 21/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >> Gee Peter, >> >> You NEED a Gorilla Gripper... >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007TYCA8/interactiveda8345-20 >> >> See ya, Arnie > > Thanks Arnie & Tommy: > > There are lots of handling solutions available, but you still have to > get the sheets up two flights of stairs! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Mon Dec 22 00:06:21 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:06:21 -0000 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <863BD4646D4F46CCAE8FBE1642C575DE@PaulNew> References: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15><6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.com> <863BD4646D4F46CCAE8FBE1642C575DE@PaulNew> Message-ID: <040101c9640c$2d9c6860$8335c53e@doc> I'm still doing biodiesel. I find it quite worth my while. I brew 160 litres a time, at a cost of 12p per litre (not counting my time). With diesel at ?1.12 a litre at the pump until recently, that was a saving of ?160 (and that's money I'd have paid tax on). That pays for a few hours of my time.... All the best, and a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to one and all. Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Paul Waugh > Sent: 21 December 2008 21:42 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > I did not try it, but researched and talking to those that > had .... Nope, > not worth it even when diesel was $4.00 a gallon > > Paul - IN > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Cc: "Alan" > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > > > On 21/12/2008, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > >> > >> ---- Alan wrote: > >>> Not if you make your own fuel. > >>> Alan in Michigan > >>> > >> I guess you're making bio diesel out of cooking oil. I > don't like to stop > >> long enough to fill my truck at the pump, much less go > looking for used > >> oil > >> and processing it. I've got more work than I can do, > plenty engines that > >> need restoring, and not enough time to do any of them. I > can make good > >> money > >> repairing vehicles, can work 7 days a week if I want to, I > don't burn > >> enough > >> fuel to start another hobby. > >> J.B. Castagnos > >> Belle Rose, LA > > > > I think the cooking oil fuel thing has mostly died a death now, so > > many folks have tried it and found that it is not quite > what they were > > led to expect. > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kimmell at verizon.net Sun Dec 21 22:38:28 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:38:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <002c01c963e2$e5c0db30$69d14c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <200812220201.mBM21VdF043620@mail-gw.fsr.net> <002c01c963e2$e5c0db30$69d14c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <0KC900HUWMD06TO2@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> I don't know of any problems like that with the "tea party police" here in IL. The're too busy following our governor around at the moment! The one problem I had with my diesel vehicles around here was the revenuers dipping tanks in the parking lot of one of the local small town restaurants and grain elevators. I took all the diesel badges off my diesel Rabbit and replaced them with ones from a gas Rabbit. Also put a locking fuel cap on it to keep the rotten fuckers away from it. My friend with the bio setup was messing around with industrial dyes trying to duplicate the shade of green that they use in #2 on-road diesel. I'm not sure whatever happened with that, as he got married a few years ago and now his wife owns all his time... -Tony At 09:10 PM 12/21/2008, you wrote: >You forgot about the states requiring permits/fees to run you car on this >stuff. We actually have so FEW problems here in N.C. that we PAY state >workers to go around busting backyard tinkerers for running vehicles on home >made diesel. It seems the DOT really wants their fuel taxes. I better hush >before I start ranting about being last in education but a not a dirt road >left in the whole state! > >John Hall From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 03:00:08 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:00:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking In-Reply-To: <40132956CA9346F781AE2FB3414E57CC@REG> References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> <6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com> <1229901548.494eceec5ea90@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160812212259y2d570c9bmc4f0cfa9b24cc2a9@mail.gmail.com> <40132956CA9346F781AE2FB3414E57CC@REG> Message-ID: <6f6025160812220300o65374d65oe8316c726ffd6c63@mail.gmail.com> On 22/12/2008, R & M Ingold wrote: > I thought that was Rita's job!! You just did the nailing bit! > Reg & Marg Ingold. No, I just do the..... screwing ..... bit :-)) You asked for that! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 22 03:33:49 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:33:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Very interesting Ebay Auction Message-ID: <9593D2C117FF49ED86E24B883A70CC64@REG> Just doing as asked. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: david To: R & M Ingold Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Very interesting Ebay Auction Dear Reg and Marg. Sorry to bother you again. As I have been removed from the Old Engine Org list by mistake, trying to change my Email address, I have no other way to alert members of anything interesting. You may like to pass this on. There is a model engine for auction with the following text: Up for auction is one of my hit & miss engines. It runs great & has good compression. It's cast in iron with steel & brass-bronze parts. The flywheel is about 6" diameter & it has a 7/8" bore. It stands 15" tall on a custom box that holds the engine coil. This engine is unique from others in that it runs on an unusual engine cycle from the 1870`s. Called the "Loyal" cycle it differs from conventional 4-stroke engines in that it achieves intake, compression, expansion & exhaust in just one revolution. It's also somewhat of an Atkinson cycle engine in that its expansion stroke is longer than the intake. The engine runs off a "surface" carburetor that pulls air bubbles thru the gasoline in the tank & runs off the vapor fumes. I run the engine on regular gasoline but Coleman fuel should work fine. Something else neat about the engine is it can run either direction & as a hit & miss or a throttler engine just by locking/unlocking a screw on the governor. (See video below) I haven't yet figured out how this engine works. There are several videos of his engines which are quite amazing. Multi cylinder radials...a V12 and all sorts of things. There are several short video clips of his models working. I'm sure some members will be mesmerised by these screaming models..all made by a bloke in Germany. You can find it on Ebay 320326127535 ps; If anyone can find a way of reinstating me to the list...has to be worth a bottle of good Scotch! Have a beaut Christmas David and Leonie Bird Limbri NSW 2352 Australia From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Dec 22 04:34:48 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:34:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Spam> To subscribe to Old Engine and SEL Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081222142559.02b898c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi David, Just go here to subscribe to the Oldengine list again with your new eMail address. If you have changed address then the old one will bounce back to Jim's server and it should not be long before he deletes it. For the SEL / ATIS list go here: List-Subscribe: , Share the Whisky with REG. :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 22 13:33:21 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:33:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net><6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com><1229901548.494eceec5ea90@webmail.city-net.com><6f6025160812212259y2d570c9bmc4f0cfa9b24cc2a9@mail.gmail.com><40132956CA9346F781AE2FB3414E57CC@REG> <6f6025160812220300o65374d65oe8316c726ffd6c63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E58FA4878634638B1439CB85F3E08CA@REG> Aw, Pete, I just GOTTA give you top marks for that reply!! Who gave it to ya? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking > On 22/12/2008, R & M Ingold wrote: >> I thought that was Rita's job!! You just did the nailing bit! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > No, I just do the..... screwing ..... bit :-)) > > You asked for that! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Dec 22 19:07:15 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:07:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking Message-ID: <410-22008122233715968@earthlink.net> Just keep in mind, you'll always have the memories to think back on everyday when you sit and stare at that floor. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > Lugging them through the house and up the stairs was NO fun at all! > We had to take the front door and the kitchen door off, so the sheets > would turn the corner, and once the upstairs is finished, we won't > have the room to turn the sheets on the stairs that we do now. > > Peter > -- From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Dec 22 21:37:25 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:37:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back Message-ID: Hi Guys Our little scammer is at it again, see email below. I had two identical emails telling me he had two different lots of R&V parts for sale. I know for a fact that these parts are not in the UK anyhow. They are from my web site "wanted" and "for sale" sections. Be careful guys. If you guys in the UK want a bity of fun, see if the phone number works. Peter, Oz ................................................................................... geetings to you,I am costa? from london uk i saw your mail that you are in need of the above subject stated,i justwant to used this little words of mine to let you know that i have itfor sale,and still in a good condition, if you need some pics of theitem i can send them to you once i heard from you so we can bargain price,please i only needaserious buyer and i do accept check payment,international money order and western union money transfer please no paypal..where i will have my money in my possession before i will? ship the item to you so get back to me with your address wereyou want to ship it to.......i used scarlet deliverycourier, for shipping abroad so i caculate the shipping cost to your doorstep,so i can give? youmy least price +shipping,and i will be expecting your call or +447031952786? or email me back so that will can disscusse.thanks costa_fernado at rediffmail.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 22:12:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:12:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160812222212t5597d610scd1e912101206d30@mail.gmail.com> On 23/12/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Guys > Our little scammer is at it again, see email below. I had two identical > emails telling me he had two different lots of R&V parts for sale. I know > for a fact that these parts are not in the UK anyhow. > They are from my web site "wanted" and "for sale" sections. > Be careful guys. > If you guys in the UK want a bity of fun, see if the phone number works. > > Peter, Oz Rediffmail is an Indian ISP, favourite with Nigerian scammers. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Dec 23 08:17:55 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:17:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7191A4E0-B8B8-4322-ABA1-4601E3441CDC@alltel.net> I don't know Peter, Looks legit to me! Dave On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:37 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Guys > Our little scammer is at it again, see email below. I had two > identical emails telling me he had two different lots of R&V parts > for sale. I know for a fact that these parts are not in the UK anyhow. > They are from my web site "wanted" and "for sale" sections. > Be careful guys. > If you guys in the UK want a bity of fun, see if the phone number > works. > > Peter, Oz > > ................................................................................... > > geetings to you,I am costa? from london uk i saw > your mail that you are in need of the above subject stated,i justwant > to used this little words of mine to let you know that i have itfor > sale,and still in a good condition, if you need some pics of theitem > i can send them to you once i heard from you so we can bargain > price,please i only needaserious buyer and i do accept check > payment,international money order and western union money transfer > please no paypal..where i will have my money in my possession before i > will? ship the item to you so get back to me with your address wereyou > want to ship it to.......i used scarlet deliverycourier, for shipping > abroad so i caculate the shipping cost to your doorstep,so i can give? > youmy least price +shipping,and i will be expecting your call or > +447031952786? or email me back so that will can disscusse.thanks > costa_fernado at rediffmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 23 12:35:00 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:35:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: <7191A4E0-B8B8-4322-ABA1-4601E3441CDC@alltel.net> Message-ID: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> Peter, Sounds like an honest gent to me. I'd go on and send him payment, I'm sure he'll forward the parts to you as soon as your check has had time to clear.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 11:18 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back I don't know Peter, Looks legit to me! Dave On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:37 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Guys > Our little scammer is at it again, see email below. I had two > identical emails telling me he had two different lots of R&V parts > for sale. I know for a fact that these parts are not in the UK anyhow. > They are from my web site "wanted" and "for sale" sections. > Be careful guys. > If you guys in the UK want a bity of fun, see if the phone number > works. > > Peter, Oz > > ...................................................................... > ............. > > geetings to you,I am costa? from london uk i saw > your mail that you are in need of the above subject stated,i justwant > to used this little words of mine to let you know that i have itfor > sale,and still in a good condition, if you need some pics of theitem i > can send them to you once i heard from you so we can bargain > price,please i only needaserious buyer and i do accept check > payment,international money order and western union money transfer > please no paypal..where i will have my money in my possession before i > will? ship the item to you so get back to me with your address wereyou > want to ship it to.......i used scarlet deliverycourier, for shipping > abroad so i caculate the shipping cost to your doorstep,so i can give? > youmy least price +shipping,and i will be expecting your call or > +447031952786? or email me back so that will can disscusse.thanks > costa_fernado at rediffmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Dec 23 13:21:40 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:21:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> Tommy, I just can't figure out why those guys from OZ don't seem to trust anyone! Dave On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: > Peter, > Sounds like an honest gent to me. I'd go on and send him payment, I'm > sure he'll forward the parts to you as soon as your check has had time > to clear.... > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 11:18 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back > > > I don't know Peter, Looks legit to me! > Dave > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:37 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Hi Guys >> Our little scammer is at it again, see email below. I had two >> identical emails telling me he had two different lots of R&V parts >> for sale. I know for a fact that these parts are not in the UK >> anyhow. >> They are from my web site "wanted" and "for sale" sections. >> Be careful guys. >> If you guys in the UK want a bity of fun, see if the phone number >> works. >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> ...................................................................... >> ............. >> >> geetings to you,I am costa? from london uk i saw >> your mail that you are in need of the above subject stated,i justwant >> to used this little words of mine to let you know that i have itfor >> sale,and still in a good condition, if you need some pics of >> theitem i > >> can send them to you once i heard from you so we can bargain >> price,please i only needaserious buyer and i do accept check >> payment,international money order and western union money transfer >> please no paypal..where i will have my money in my possession >> before i > >> will? ship the item to you so get back to me with your address >> wereyou > >> want to ship it to.......i used scarlet deliverycourier, for shipping >> abroad so i caculate the shipping cost to your doorstep,so i can >> give? > >> youmy least price +shipping,and i will be expecting your call or >> +447031952786? or email me back so that will can disscusse.thanks >> costa_fernado at rediffmail.com From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 23 14:24:42 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:24:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: <7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> <7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4951652A.4070509@rustic-engines.com> Don't seem to trust anyone??????? I trust Tommy, Dave. :-\ I look in my Xmas stocking every morning. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Xmas Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com David Rotigel wrote: > Tommy, I just can't figure out why those guys from OZ don't seem to > trust anyone! > Dave > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: > > >> Peter, >> Sounds like an honest gent to me. I'd go on and send him payment, I'm >> sure he'll forward the parts to you as soon as your check has had time >> to clear.... >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> > From gastzt at aol.com Tue Dec 23 14:34:53 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:34:53 EST Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back Message-ID: Merry Xmas to ALL you guys and gals!!! Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx STOVERS GALORE--ha! **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW AOL.com.(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000019) From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 23 14:45:39 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:45:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> <7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <53976B7B790F42EC83D739B790753A35@tommydk7hxjr4h> Makes you wonder doesn't it Dave?? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back > Tommy, I just can't figure out why those guys from OZ don't seem to > trust anyone! > Dave > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Peter, >> Sounds like an honest gent to me. I'd go on and send him payment, I'm >> sure he'll forward the parts to you as soon as your check has had time >> to clear.... >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Dec 23 16:22:27 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:22:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: <53976B7B790F42EC83D739B790753A35@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> <7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> <53976B7B790F42EC83D739B790753A35@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Tommy, I think must be the way that they are brought up! Dave On Dec 23, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Makes you wonder doesn't it Dave?? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back > > >> Tommy, I just can't figure out why those guys from OZ don't seem to >> trust anyone! >> Dave >> >> >> On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: >> >>> Peter, >>> Sounds like an honest gent to me. I'd go on and send him payment, >>> I'm >>> sure he'll forward the parts to you as soon as your check has had >>> time >>> to clear.... >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 23 16:25:53 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:25:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Icecream Freezers References: <49505B31.4000905@gmail.com> <8d3c36fb0812230929n6fabd421lf88b19ff71c9dc63@mail.gmail.com> <1230058823.495135474e01c@webmail.city-net.com> <20081223202817.614BA577FE@gw1.nlenet.net> <49515AD1.9050902@telenet.net> <8d3c36fb0812231412x5d0936a8ue73064008b6a61ec@mail.gmail.com> <20081223223818.27BF657D12@gw1.nlenet.net> <49517D3F.1010404@telenet.net> Message-ID: <005301c9655e$2ed6cc90$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> what it amounts to is a NON-Amish person is the one who is running it. Just like those "Amish > made" portable heaters on TV. >>>>>>> > The icecream freezer clones in GEM are like that too , arent they ? Anybody run one of his 5 gallon rigs ? From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Dec 23 17:45:29 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:45:29 EST Subject: [SEL] Old Time Power & Equipment Video Message-ID: Hi List, Recently, I found a video of "The Delaware Valley Old Time Power & Equipment Annual Show at Washington Crossing Park Titusville, N. J. - September 17, 18 1988". In viewing this 20 year old video, I found it amusing that people displaying engines, tractors, and equipment did not seem to have barriers. Viewers were able to look and view some of these items close up. I really liked the little tractor pull. The sled was loaded by people jumping on the sled as it was being pulled at preset locations. A very simple method but, effective! Another item that was interesting was seeing the operation of shingle saw machine. Now, I understand how shingles are made from a hunk of wood such as cedar. Seeing the gentleman handling the operation sent chills up my back. One false move could cause some serious body damage. The apple peeling machine was also intriguing. Each apple had to manually placed on the holder and then the machine would peel and core it automatically. It was great to view this old video to see how show were conducted in the past. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 23 23:30:34 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (ozengine at optusnet.com.au) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:30:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Christmas OT Message-ID: <200812240730.mBO7UYOG005870@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 00:58:06 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:58:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year Message-ID: <6f6025160812240058i5d2da00v554ff84db5cea2a8@mail.gmail.com> Hope everyone has a great Xmas and a happy and prosperous New Year. It's our 38th Wedding Anniversary today, and we actually now have windows in the house as well! :-)) Peter & Rita -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From camaned at iinet.net.au Wed Dec 24 02:57:25 2008 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:57:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Xmas OT Message-ID: <50A36E400F95436A9107FFB2014C45AB@CamPC> ----- Original Message ----- Well Xmas has arrived again so Edwina and I would like to wish everybody the best and hope you all have a great time tomorrow with family and friends. Cheers. Cam and Edwina Grundy 26 Arunta Ave. Kariong. 2250. New South Wales. PH 43401214 MOB 0409250803 Australia. From camaned at iinet.net.au Wed Dec 24 03:04:52 2008 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:04:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <829DF6C8DDF941D5B584649090AD3D5F@CamPC> Cam and Edina Grundy 26 Arunta Ave. Kariong. 2250. New South Wales. PH 43401214 MOB 0409250803 Australia. From camaned at iinet.net.au Wed Dec 24 03:08:25 2008 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:08:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Test Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cam and Ed" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Test > > Cam and Edina Grundy > 26 Arunta Ave. > Kariong. > 2250. > New South Wales. > PH 43401214 > MOB 0409250803 > Australia. From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 24 03:37:58 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:37:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year References: <6f6025160812240058i5d2da00v554ff84db5cea2a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c965bc$1278e660$66674b47@mikecomp> >From North Carolina back to you all, Merry Christmas! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" Cc: "ATIS" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 3:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year > Hope everyone has a great Xmas and a happy and prosperous New Year. > > It's our 38th Wedding Anniversary today, and we actually now have > windows in the house as well! :-)) > > Peter & Rita > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Dec 24 03:42:20 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:42:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Christmas Message-ID: Hope all my friends have a great Christmas and safe holiday period.Spending the day with my son and his family tomorrow and it should be great. MERRY CHRISTMAS EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Dec 24 03:52:44 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:52:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Xmas 2008 In-Reply-To: <50A36E400F95436A9107FFB2014C45AB@CamPC> Message-ID: <000801c965be$221b5ce0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Like the others who have wished a merry Christmas it is that time of the year when we all over-indulge, put on an extra kilo or two, but hey, that is what the festive season is about. So may everyone, wherever they are have a joyous and merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year. Ron and Vicki Page Canberra From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 24 05:35:53 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:35:53 EST Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year Message-ID: In a message dated 12/24/2008 4:09:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: It's our 38th Wedding Anniversary today Peter, Have a great anniversary today and must be a good feeling to have the house closed in. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 24 05:38:43 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:38:43 EST Subject: [SEL] Fw: Christmas Message-ID: Merry Christmas to all of our friends and acquaintances around the world. Tom and Millie Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 24 06:45:19 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:45:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Xmas 2008 In-Reply-To: <000801c965be$221b5ce0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: >From the heart of the famous Redneck Riviera in the southeast United States (the Colonies to some)............... We would like to wish all of you a very (NON Politically Correct) Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year! Take care - Elden & Elaine DuRand From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Dec 24 07:17:40 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:17:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas OT In-Reply-To: <200812240730.mBO7UYOG005870@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200812240730.mBO7UYOG005870@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081224100711.02f8f160@pop3.wcoil.com> I and my family will be off to the proverbial Grandmas house for Christmas. Christine, Stephanie and I would like to Extend to all of you a very Merry Christmas and may Peace and Joy be with you all for the rest of this and the coming New Year. May Gods blessings be heaped upon you all. God watch the troops of all nations working to help world peace and be with them while thay are away from their people. And be with the families who will forever be without their loved ones who died for freedom. Merry Christmas, Mark, Christine and Stephanie From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 24 09:09:10 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:09:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081224185900.00c3f8c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys and Gals, It's already Christmas time in Aus, ours will start here (South Africa) in about 5 hours then Britain followed by the USA. To all my friends on the list, wherever you are, I'd like to wish you all a very Happy and Safe Christmas. May you all have a great day and enjoy it the way you would wish. Also to all of you who have family away from home in the armed forces or on other duty locally our thanks go out to them for the work they are doing. Keep well and have a Blessed Christmas from Jacqui (my daughter) and I. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From obise at moscow.com Wed Dec 24 10:13:21 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:13:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas! Message-ID: <200812241813.mBOIDYcv082833@mail-gw.fsr.net> Cathy and I wish all of you a very merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous year to come. Here in the USA, having sunk to new lows in politics and the economy, the only way is up. We hope. Best regards, Orrin and Cathy Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Dec 24 13:33:50 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:33:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20081224183401.12C0D2282E6@md5.pennswoods.net> From the wet central PA Merry Christmas R Fink From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Dec 24 12:28:26 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 07:28:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year References: <6f6025160812240058i5d2da00v554ff84db5cea2a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from Oz, to all my friends and engine guys and gals. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Dec 24 12:39:07 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:39:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> <7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> <53976B7B790F42EC83D739B790753A35@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <2364.165.206.180.15.1230151147.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> They must be trusting - they let their navy take the summer off........ Bill > Tommy, I think must be the way that they are brought up! > Dave > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Makes you wonder doesn't it Dave?? >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back >> >> >>> Tommy, I just can't figure out why those guys from OZ don't seem to >>> trust anyone! >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: >>> >>>> Peter, >>>> Sounds like an honest gent to me. I'd go on and send him payment, >>>> I'm >>>> sure he'll forward the parts to you as soon as your check has had >>>> time >>>> to clear.... >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Dec 24 12:30:21 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:30:21 -0000 Subject: [SEL] merry christmas Message-ID: <95A67924193043C1A970C0A05BE8E1B9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi everyone, I would like to wish everyone a very merry Christmas and very happy holiday, hope that you all get the present that you wished for. I spent today in the shop playing with my latest project which is a Petter light generating set made in 1931, after a bit of fiddling ( ok allot of fiddling along with the odd expletive) we got it to run and also supply power to some lamps . So I am heading for a relaxing beer or three tonight to celebrate. Cheers for now, Craig in Scotland From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 13:10:51 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:10:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Message-ID: <35608.50538.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 24 13:56:07 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:56:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year to all, from downtown Fulton, on the Texas Riviera. Out of kindness, no mention of weather. "It's our 38th Wedding Anniversary today, and we actually now have windows in the house as well! :-)) Peter & Rita" Rita is a lucky woman, Peter, and a very patient one as well. Mine would not have waited that long for windows. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 24 14:58:05 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:58:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812240058i5d2da00v554ff84db5cea2a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160812240058i5d2da00v554ff84db5cea2a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 24, 2008, at 3:58 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Hope everyone has a great Xmas and a happy and prosperous New Year. > > It's our 38th Wedding Anniversary today, and we actually now have > windows in the house as well! :-)) > > Peter & Rita You are one LUCKY man Peter! And I;m NOT talking about the windows! Dave PS, Married now for over 48 years--and really enjoying my second wife! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 24 16:11:37 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:11:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Message-ID: I want to wish my extended Engine Family a Very Merry Christmas and a very Happy upcoming New Year. All you folks are very special to me and I am so blessed to know each one of you. Your Ole Engine Buddy, Paul From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 24 16:20:18 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:20:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] o.t. MERRY CHRISTMAS Message-ID: <1E485B8075FD4E2FA034DDB1E9D0CCCC@LapTop> Deana and I wish everyone a very MERRY CHRISTMAS. Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From pitty10 at aapt.net.au Wed Dec 24 17:51:12 2008 From: pitty10 at aapt.net.au (Bradley Pitt) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:51:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] trust Message-ID: <2C343C7A5D1E4B51A8A39FB5A3067202@brad> G'day guys. I for one trust most people i recently purchased a Crossley gas engine for quite a large amount of money from the U.S.,not knowing the seller and depositing the money into his account,the whole experience was very daunting but once it was all done and i had my engine in australia i was most satisfied Cheers Brad From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 24 18:39:18 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:39:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco><7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> <4951652A.4070509@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <82B801E2EC684351BFFD70960800DAB3@tommydk7hxjr4h> Well, darn it Al, looks like Santa isn't going to be able to bring that cam gear to you (at least not from Kentucky). I was finally able to find the bucket that had the gears in it (I've probably got 50 five gallon buckets full of all kinds of junk.... most of it gathered up after the tornado hit my place). The gear I have is about 5 to 6 inches in diameter and has the slant teeth on it. But, it doesn't have a cam lobe and has about a 3/4 shaft hole. The number V12 is cast on it. I'll post some photos to see if anyone knows what it might be for. If you can use it for anything Al, its yours! There is a corresponding gear in the bucket that has a governor on it. I got these and some other parts from an old gent and most of the items were FM. Carbs, mags, etc. That's why I was hopeful I had something you could use. I wished I was going to get to play the role of Santa here, looks like I'll be closer to playing the Grinch. Tommy Turner > Don't seem to trust anyone??????? > > I trust Tommy, Dave. :-\ > > I look in my Xmas stocking every morning. ;-) > From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Dec 24 18:54:27 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:54:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] trust In-Reply-To: <2C343C7A5D1E4B51A8A39FB5A3067202@brad> Message-ID: <20081225025427.A315D405452@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Brad, just curious, What did the boat ride cost? Was weight a factor or volume the primary concern? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca, USA Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bradley Pitt Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 5:51 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] trust G'day guys. I for one trust most people i recently purchased a Crossley gas engine for quite a large amount of money from the U.S.,not knowing the seller and depositing the money into his account,the whole experience was very daunting but once it was all done and i had my engine in australia i was most satisfied Cheers Brad _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Wed Dec 24 19:00:21 2008 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:00:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: <82B801E2EC684351BFFD70960800DAB3@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco><7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> <4951652A.4070509@rustic-engines.com> <82B801E2EC684351BFFD70960800DAB3@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Pattin Bros used that part # on their timing gear for a 8HP. Send me a picture and I'll be able to tell. Tom Winland Ohio> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:39:18 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back> > Well, darn it Al, looks like Santa isn't going to be able to bring that cam > gear to you (at least not from Kentucky). I was finally able to find the > bucket that had the gears in it (I've probably got 50 five gallon buckets > full of all kinds of junk.... most of it gathered up after the tornado hit > my place). The gear I have is about 5 to 6 inches in diameter and has the > slant teeth on it. But, it doesn't have a cam lobe and has about a 3/4 > shaft hole. The number V12 is cast on it. I'll post some photos to see if > anyone knows what it might be for. If you can use it for anything Al, its > yours! There is a corresponding gear in the bucket that has a governor on > it. I got these and some other parts from an old gent and most of the items > were FM. Carbs, mags, etc. That's why I was hopeful I had something you > could use. I wished I was going to get to play the role of Santa here, > looks like I'll be closer to playing the Grinch.> > Tommy Turner> > > > > > > Don't seem to trust anyone???????> >> > I trust Tommy, Dave. :-\> >> > I look in my Xmas stocking every morning. ;-)> >> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 24 22:19:17 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:19:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: <82B801E2EC684351BFFD70960800DAB3@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco><7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> <4951652A.4070509@rustic-engines.com> <82B801E2EC684351BFFD70960800DAB3@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <495325E5.9010104@rustic-engines.com> Tommy, A valiant effort. I thank you sincerely. And a Peaceful Happy Christmas to all those waking at morn on the "other side". Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Well, darn it Al, looks like Santa isn't going to be able to bring that cam > gear to you (at least not from Kentucky). I was finally able to find the > bucket that had the gears in it (I've probably got 50 five gallon buckets > full of all kinds of junk.... most of it gathered up after the tornado hit > my place). The gear I have is about 5 to 6 inches in diameter and has the > slant teeth on it. But, it doesn't have a cam lobe and has about a 3/4 > shaft hole. The number V12 is cast on it. I'll post some photos to see if > anyone knows what it might be for. If you can use it for anything Al, its > yours! There is a corresponding gear in the bucket that has a governor on > it. I got these and some other parts from an old gent and most of the items > were FM. Carbs, mags, etc. That's why I was hopeful I had something you > could use. I wished I was going to get to play the role of Santa here, > looks like I'll be closer to playing the Grinch. > > Tommy Turner > > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Dec 25 05:24:50 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:24:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco><7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net><4951652A.4070509@rustic-engines.com> <82B801E2EC684351BFFD70960800DAB3@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <0E73E5F43D0841F1A78CE25D5DD93749@tommydk7hxjr4h> I don't think it would be for a Pattin Bros, looks to "new" a design. I'll post some photos. Tommy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Winland" To: "SEL list" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back > > Pattin Bros used that part # on their timing gear for a 8HP. Send me a > picture and I'll be able to tell. > > Tom Winland > Ohio> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: > Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:39:18 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is > back> > Well, darn it Al, looks like Santa isn't going to be able to bring > that cam > gear to you (at least not from Kentucky). I was finally able to > find the > bucket that had the gears in it (I've probably got 50 five > gallon buckets > full of all kinds of junk.... most of it gathered up > after the tornado hit > my place). The gear I have is about 5 to 6 inches > in diameter and has the > slant teeth on it. But, it doesn't have a cam > lobe and has about a 3/4 > shaft hole. The number V12 is cast on it. I'll > post some photos to see if > anyone knows what it might be for. If you can > use it for anything Al, its > yours! There is a corresponding gear in the > bucket that has a governor on > it. I got these and some other parts from > an old gent and most of the items > were FM. Carbs, mags, etc. That's why > I was hopeful I had something you > could use. I wished I was going to get > to play the role of Santa here, > looks like I'll be closer to playing the > Grinch.> > Tommy Turner> > > > > > > Don't seem to trust anyone???????> >> > > I trust Tommy, Dave. :-\> >> > I look in my Xmas stocking every morning. > ;-)> >> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing > list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _________________________________________________________________ > It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1863 - Release Date: 12/24/2008 11:49 AM From pitty10 at aapt.net.au Thu Dec 25 15:34:03 2008 From: pitty10 at aapt.net.au (Bradley Pitt) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:34:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Trust Message-ID: <4C6AC8953D564940A08B2FDACC1D841F@brad> G'day Jimmy,The boat ride was $3500.00 Aus dollars quite reasonable considering the engine weighed 1.5 tonnes and was packaged in a large timber box.They didn't calculate the price on weight it was volume,so the bigger the box the higher the price hope that helps Jimmy cheers Brad From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Dec 25 20:46:21 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:46:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Trust In-Reply-To: <4C6AC8953D564940A08B2FDACC1D841F@brad> Message-ID: <20081226044621.5DD4044483C@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Thanks mate, Maybe if you cut the box down, you could put some thing smaller in it with curved flywheels and send it to San Francisco Ca. USA..Good Luck with your new toy. Any pictures? Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bradley Pitt Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 3:34 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Trust G'day Jimmy,The boat ride was $3500.00 Aus dollars quite reasonable considering the engine weighed 1.5 tonnes and was packaged in a large timber box.They didn't calculate the price on weight it was volume,so the bigger the box the higher the price hope that helps Jimmy cheers Brad _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 26 08:56:04 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:56:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <35608.50538.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <35608.50538.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590960AFF4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years. Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list. Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list. In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 26 09:03:07 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:03:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] trust In-Reply-To: <20081225025427.A315D405452@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <2C343C7A5D1E4B51A8A39FB5A3067202@brad> <20081225025427.A315D405452@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590960B001@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Jimmy, On the engines I've shipped and received from Europe, volume is the primary concern. You are billed by the cubic meter. Which is good in our hobby as stuff is quite heavy. I believe there is also a weight limit of 1 metric ton per cubic meter, but that hasn't been a problem. George Ps. Thanks for the Christmas card, the Field looks nice. Hope to see it running some day. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:54 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] trust Hi Brad, just curious, What did the boat ride cost? Was weight a factor or volume the primary concern? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca, USA Jim O'Hagan This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 10:34:05 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:34:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Message-ID: <955332.8925.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I?was just looking at?the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on?the auction.??I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:56 AM Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years.? Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list.? Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list.? In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 26 11:03:20 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:03:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <955332.8925.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <955332.8925.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590960B0A9@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I had something I was going to list that might be of interest to the tractor list guys that are into John Deere. But can't see listing it when there is no interest this year. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 10:34 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I?was just looking at?the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on?the auction.??I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 26 11:25:09 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:25:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction References: <955332.8925.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c9678f$aac87d20$66674b47@mikecomp> To be honest I think we just do a por job promoting it. We should have started talking about it long ago, reminders to send in items, when the bidding starts etc. Don't count it out yet. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I was just looking at the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on the auction. I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:56 AM Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years. Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list. Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list. In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 26 11:43:39 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:43:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction References: <955332.8925.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901c96792$401405f0$66674b47@mikecomp> I have some of Jerry's tags, would love to bid on more!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I was just looking at the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on the auction. I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:56 AM Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years. Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list. Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list. In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 12:00:27 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:00:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Message-ID: <181874.4261.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Really? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Where is your bidding? ?8>))) Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Mike Royster wrote: From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 2:43 PM I have some of Jerry's tags, would love to bid on more!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I was just looking at the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on the auction. I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:56 AM Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years. Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list. Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list. In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 26 12:40:53 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:40:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction References: <181874.4261.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005901c9679a$3ef79fd0$66674b47@mikecomp> Don't think it's over yet is it? Hide and watch!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Really? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Where is your bidding? 8>))) Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Mike Royster wrote: From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 2:43 PM I have some of Jerry's tags, would love to bid on more!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I was just looking at the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on the auction. I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:56 AM Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years. Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list. Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list. In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 15:50:46 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:50:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Message-ID: <404715.56448.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HIDE??? ME???? No it is you hiding. Are you one of those last second snipers? Isn't that kinda hard to do when this auction closes 20 minutes after the last bid? 8>)) Think how fun this would be if we had 30 or so items to bid on. 8>)) Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Mike Royster wrote: From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 3:40 PM Don't think it's over yet is it?? Hide and watch!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Really? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Where is your bidding? 8>))) Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Mike Royster wrote: From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 2:43 PM I have some of Jerry's tags, would love to bid on more!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I was just looking at the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on the auction. I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:56 AM Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years. Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list. Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list. In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 27 11:32:17 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:32:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081227205130.00c34460@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 27/12/2008, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:43:39 -0500 >From: "Mike Royster" >Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction > > >I have some of Jerry's tags, would love to bid on more!!! > >MR >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alan" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:34 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction > > >Yes George, >It does appear to almost be dead. >There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just >sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash >just backed off. >That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if >they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) >I was just looking at the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish >Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on the auction. I just saw a >nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. >Alan in Michigan O.K. O.K. O.K. you've convinced me. (Grin) Have a look at the site!! To be honest, I was not going to offer this year because I've had a few problems making them lately and have a few outstanding orders for which I apologise profusely. Luke, Elden and a few others are waiting for me, I have not forgotten - just need to sort out a problem which cropped up with the manufacture. Here's what happened. I make the masks by using a laser printer with a special film and then use a "heat press" to transfer this mask to the brass before etching. a) My Laser printer went "KAPUT" so I bought a new one from the same manufacturer (Samsung) but the latest version. b) At the same time I got in some new stock of the special film. My problems started there and were compounded by the fact that the thermostat on the heat press started acting erratically. Long story cut short. The damn stuff is not transferring properly and I'm having to spend a lot of time "touching up" masks with a tiny paint brush (only about 5 bristles) and vinyl silkscreen ink (it's immune to the ferric chloride I use to etch with). I cannot figure out if the new laser toner is to blame or is the new batch of film to blame or is it my heat presses fault. It is only going to be sorted out by a process of elimination. The problem is on the list of "To Do's" for the next few days so I've just got to get of my "Behind" and sort it out. I've got some "stock masks" made with the old printer onto a batch of the older film sheets so will try tomorrow and apply a few of these. If they work O.K. then I can eliminate the heat press as the source of the problem. Next is to take a few sheets of the new film to a small "print shop" in town (about 20Km's away) and get them to print onto the new film - I used their machine some time ago and I know that their machine and the old film worked fine together. Then it's back to the shop to try and apply these to brass. If they work O.K. then I can eliminate the film as the culprit and blame the new printer. If this does not work then I can blame the film. Unfortunately it is imported and not commonly used so I may have a few problems with the local agent. Time will tell. In the meantime, to those of you that are waiting, I apologise for the delay but do intend to write to you guys soon (you know who you are). I've got a few tags here waiting to go out but these are mostly for guys who have ordered multiple tags and I've not finished the whole order. Watch this space - I will sort the problem out. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 27 11:41:41 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:41:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction/Brass plates Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081227213614.00bef530@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi again Guys, I see that the listing on the auction site stripped my webpage address out and I just could not be bothered right now to go and edit it so here is the page that will show you what I need and some examples of the work I've done. I'm busy writing an updated page with more pics of more recent tags I've made but for now the old one will have to suffice: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Dec 27 14:00:25 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:00:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction References: <404715.56448.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c9686e$860c8af0$66674b47@mikecomp> I have to admit, I am a big time sniper! Hey, do any of you Novo guys know the check ball sizes for a 1.5 hp Novo? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction HIDE??? ME???? No it is you hiding. Are you one of those last second snipers? Isn't that kinda hard to do when this auction closes 20 minutes after the last bid? 8>)) Think how fun this would be if we had 30 or so items to bid on. 8>)) Alan in Michigan SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 27 14:22:17 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:22:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction/Brass plates Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081227225719.00c34460@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, I've changed the listing now - same items - same conditions etc. I just "spruced it up" a bit with some HTML. It's been up for at least 2 hours now - no "views", no "bids". Did I make a mistake? I thought that some of you guys wanted me to put it up? (smile). Someone mentioned that "we did not publicise it enough". I agree. I joined in on the fun of the "Charity Auction" in 2006 (I think) which was when I first offered a few plates. I remember that, at that time, the auction was mentioned on the lists from about October or November. My personal feeling was "Hey! what a great idea - I'd love to be involved". Last year it was a bit later. This year it was only now (late December). Also, in the first year (of my involvement), I remember list mail after the auction that discussed what the "proceeds" would be used for, last year - nothing - or did I miss it? (I seldom miss "SEL mail"). I do not give a damn as to where the proceeds go and prefer to leave that to the "administrators" - so long as it is a deserving cause (and preferably within the "old engine fraternity"). It just gives me that "warm fuzzy feeling" that I could contribute. I think that the "Charity Auction" is a great idea - it costs me very little to be involved, or to offer something to scrape in a few bucks which could be used for a good cause at this time of the year. What the heck, I even bought a Maytag on the auction and I love it to bits and it also gave me that "warm fuzzy feeling". (Thanks Dave!) You guy's in the "States" must have many items that you could offer on the auction (as I have but shipping would be a major cost from here). So I offer small things that are quite unique and I can offer to pay the postage. Once again, it does not cost me a lot to get involved but it does provide me with a lot of pleasure to know that I am helping. (That "warm fuzzy feeling" again). "tis the season for giving" so get with the programme. On another tack, the first year that I offered "plates", I think that my offerings were the single biggest "earner" on the auction (with the possible exception of the Maytag that Dave offered and I bought) and last year my plates and the "blue fencing pliers" brought in more revenue than all the other offerings combined (I did not offer the legendary "Blue pliers"). It gave me a lot of pleasure to know that I could contribute to something worthwhile and run by many friends (you guys - O.K. maybe run by Spencer) who have helped me so much and have become such good friends even though I've actually never met you. Come on guys - lets try to make the "Charity Auction" fun again. You've each gotta have a little thing there somewhere that you do not need and it does not "owe you anything". Maybe someone else could use it and the cash could help someone else. We could also have a lot of fun bidding on it - and do not forget the "warm fuzzy feeling" That's my bit for tonight! I only get the "Digest" version of the SEL so now have to wait 24 hours to read the replies to this mail. I really hope that it has the desired effect of seeing a lot more "items" offered on the "Charity Auction" site. They do not have to be "Big" things as mentioned - look through your sheds - there are bound to be many things that are too good to throw away but you've been holding on to for years but have no use for (we all have stuff like this). Keep well Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 28 12:57:09 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:57:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Stationary_now_but_WOW_would_it_go?= Message-ID: <2742C78DE35D4216BC3589C515386973@peterlowe> Hi Guy This is stationary now but I would love to see it fitted to something fast. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/V12-ROLLS-ROYCE-METEOR-27-LITRE-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ190275647985QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Boat_Parts_Accessories?hash=item190275647985&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Peter, Oz From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 28 13:24:04 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:24:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Stationary now but WOW would it go References: <2742C78DE35D4216BC3589C515386973@peterlowe> Message-ID: <1D382A0AEFF9430BAAB9044D1E1ED695@tommydk7hxjr4h> Read the questions and answers in the listing. Quite interesting. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Stationary now but WOW would it go > Hi Guy > This is stationary now but I would love to see it fitted to something > fast. > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/V12-ROLLS-ROYCE-METEOR-27-LITRE-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ190275647985QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Boat_Parts_Accessories?hash=item190275647985&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 > > Peter, Oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1867 - Release Date: 12/28/2008 2:23 PM From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 28 20:30:24 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:30:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Steve Royster - Looking for you Message-ID: <18C55217E28E4F268E3C4BD1BF867C52@PAUL> Hey Steve if you see this e-mail contact me off list. paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thanks Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 28 20:52:27 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:52:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Steve Royster e-mail address Message-ID: Could someone send me Steve's e-mail address? Thanks, Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 28 22:59:33 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:59:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 Message-ID: <1B586FDD5E9F4F269469DDB1BA8ADFA9@peterlowe> Hi All Does anyone have a copy of: Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 By Beverly Rae Kimes, Henry Austin Clark Contributor Henry Austin Clark Published by Krause Publications, 1996 ISBN 0873414284, 9780873414289 1612 pages Please contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au Regards Peter From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 29 03:40:22 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:40:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Steve Royster e-mail address References: Message-ID: <001001c969aa$3c09c5c0$66674b47@mikecomp> Royster, Steve E-mail Address(es): steve_royster at hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Steve Royster e-mail address > Could someone send me Steve's e-mail address? > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Dec 29 03:53:06 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:53:06 EST Subject: [SEL] Need Steve Royster e-mail address Message-ID: In a message dated 12/28/2008 11:59:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: Could someone send me Steve's e-mail address? _steve_royster at hotmail.com_ (mailto:steve_royster at hotmail.com) Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Dec 29 04:54:52 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:54:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 In-Reply-To: <1B586FDD5E9F4F269469DDB1BA8ADFA9@peterlowe> References: <1B586FDD5E9F4F269469DDB1BA8ADFA9@peterlowe> Message-ID: <2020.165.206.180.15.1230555292.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I sure WISH I did!! Still not too late to get me a Christmas gift! LOL Running a CAR related forum, it could be handy. Bill > Hi All > Does anyone have a copy of: > > Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 > By Beverly Rae Kimes, Henry Austin Clark > Contributor Henry Austin Clark > Published by Krause Publications, 1996 > ISBN 0873414284, 9780873414289 > 1612 pages > > Please contact me OFF LIST > plowe at exemail.com.au > > > Regards > Peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 29 07:32:49 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:32:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 In-Reply-To: <1B586FDD5E9F4F269469DDB1BA8ADFA9@peterlowe> References: <1B586FDD5E9F4F269469DDB1BA8ADFA9@peterlowe> Message-ID: <54269fd82bcde0be82e167f77b55d252.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Pete, If you want to buy a copy, http://used.addall.com/ lists two at ~$200 each. See ya, Arnie On Mon, December 29, 2008 1:59 am, Peter Lowe wrote: > Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 > By Beverly Rae Kimes, Henry Austin Clark > Contributor Henry Austin Clark > Published by Krause Publications, 1996 > ISBN 0873414284, 9780873414289 > 1612 pages -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Mon Dec 29 08:58:16 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:58:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's New Book References: <1B586FDD5E9F4F269469DDB1BA8ADFA9@peterlowe> <54269fd82bcde0be82e167f77b55d252.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <01d301c969d6$a4ff91a0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> I saw a copy of C.H. Wendel's latest book on American machinery. I forget the exact title but it had quite a section on stationary steam engines. I would like to buy a copy. Where can I get one at? Thanks Rick From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Dec 29 09:11:47 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:11:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's New Book Message-ID: <20081229.091147.1796.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi again Rick. I would start by calling Farm Collector Books at 1-866-624-9388. They list many of his other books, if they don't have it, they may know where to get it. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:58:16 -0500 "Tod Engine Foundation" writes: > I saw a copy of C.H. Wendel's latest book on American machinery. I > forget > the exact title but it had quite a section on stationary steam > engines. I > would like to buy a copy. Where can I get one at? > > Thanks > > Rick ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 From toadhill at aeroinc.net Mon Dec 29 11:31:03 2008 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:31:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book Message-ID: <5012F282D78B49ACB8A21EDA13CCBE28@joe5599c86d812> Rick, You can buy the book directly from Chuck Wendel at 4415 F. Street, Amana Ia. 52203. Joe From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Dec 29 11:32:49 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:32:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: HI Folks! I got this e-mail from this gentleman last year at this time and gave him my Lorenz information. HOWEVER, I cannot find his website or the Lorenz registry. My engine never showed up on the registry. Do you think perhaps he used my information illegally or for personal gain? Worried in North Carolina. > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:42:36 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > Hi Folks,> > I've been busy over the holidays doing updates to the Lorenz and Benz engine> registry. If any of you have Lorenz or Benz engines, please send the details> to me so that I can include the engines in the register. I need S/N, HP,> Owner's Name, City/State/Country and any comments about unique features,> condition, etc.> > If you have photos, please send those as well. I would prefer that the> pictures NOT be reduced in size.> > One gentleman in Holland who has a number of Czech engines has provided a lot> of info for the register. He also provided this link to a video of one of the> rarest of the Lorenz and Benz engines; one with low tension ignition!!> > ENJOY!!> > See ya, Arnie> > Arnie Fero> Pittsburgh, PA> fero_ah at city-net.com> > ----- Forwarded message from Peter Daamen -----> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:16:36 +0100> From: Peter Daamen > Subject: RE: Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > Hi Arnie,> > Best wishes for the new year !!!> > I found the next clip on youtube:> > http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoXyvPMk5E> > Nice running low tension Lorenz> > And we keep in contact for your visit to Holland.> > Gr.> > Peter> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 29 11:45:10 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:45:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: References: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909683086@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/registry.htm -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:33 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register HI Folks! I got this e-mail from this gentleman last year at this time and gave him my Lorenz information. HOWEVER, I cannot find his website or the Lorenz registry. My engine never showed up on the registry. Do you think perhaps he used my information illegally or for personal gain? Worried in North Carolina. > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:42:36 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > Hi Folks,> > I've been busy over the holidays doing updates to the Lorenz and Benz engine> registry. If any of you have Lorenz or Benz engines, please send the details> to me so that I can include the engines in the register. I need S/N, HP,> Owner's Name, City/State/Country and any comments about unique features,> condition, etc.> > If you have photos, please send those as well. I would prefer that the> pictures NOT be reduced in size.> > One gentleman in Holland who has a number of Czech engines has provided a lot> of info for the register. He also provided this link to a video of one of the> rarest of the Lorenz and Benz engines; one with low tension ignition!!> > ENJOY!!> > See ya, Arnie> > Arnie Fero> Pittsburgh, PA> fero_ah at city-net.com> > ----- Forwarded message from Peter Daamen -----> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:16:36 +0100> From: Peter Daamen > Subject: RE: Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > Hi Arnie,> > Best wishes for the new year !!!> > I found the next clip on youtube:> > http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoXyvPMk5E> > Nice running low tension Lorenz> > And we keep in contact for your visit to Holland.> > Gr.> > Peter> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista(r). http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Dec 29 11:55:44 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:55:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909683086@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909683086@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Gee George, They must be really rare, I didn't realize there were only four of them in existance, Mine must be a knock -off or something and that's why it's not on the registry, Thanks for the help. Steve > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:45:10 -0600> From: George_Best at adp.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/registry.htm> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve> Royster> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:33 AM> To: The SEL email discussion list> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > > HI Folks! I got this e-mail from this gentleman last year at this time> and gave him my Lorenz information. HOWEVER, I cannot find his website> or the Lorenz registry. My engine never showed up on the registry. Do> you think perhaps he used my information illegally or for personal gain?> > > Worried in North Carolina. > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:42:36 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To:> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine> Register> > Hi Folks,> > I've been busy over the holidays doing updates> to the Lorenz and Benz engine> registry. If any of you have Lorenz or> Benz engines, please send the details> to me so that I can include the> engines in the register. I need S/N, HP,> Owner's Name,> City/State/Country and any comments about unique features,> condition,> etc.> > If you have photos, please send those as well. I would prefer> that the> pictures NOT be reduced in size.> > One gentleman in Holland> who has a number of Czech engines has provided a lot> of info for the> register. He also provided this link to a video of one of the> rarest of> the Lorenz and Benz engines; one with low tension ignition!!> > ENJOY!!>> > See ya, Arnie> > Arnie Fero> Pittsburgh, PA> fero_ah at city-net.com> >> ----- Forwarded message from Peter Daamen -----> Date:> Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:16:36 +0100> From: Peter Daamen >> Subject: RE: Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > Hi Arnie,> > Best wishes> for the new year !!!> > I found the next clip on youtube:> >> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoXyvPMk5E> > Nice running low tension> Lorenz> > And we keep in contact for your visit to Holland.> > Gr.> >> Peter> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing> list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _________________________________________________________________> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows> Vista(r). > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 29 12:29:24 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:29:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: References: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909683086@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590968312C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> It is too bad that Mr Fero didn't take the registry more serious. I'm sure there are quite a few Czech engines in the U.S. and Canada. I have 4 in my barn ;-) I'll leave the fancy wordsmithing to the other Czech engine collectors on this list ;-) Would be nice if Mr Fero shared some of the registry information and supplied his web mistress with more material. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Gee George, They must be really rare, I didn't realize there were only four of them in existance, Mine must be a knock -off or something and that's why it's not on the registry, Thanks for the help. Steve > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:45:10 -0600> From: George_Best at adp.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/registry.htm> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve> Royster> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:33 AM> To: The SEL email discussion list> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > > HI Folks! I got this e-mail from this gentleman last year at this time> and gave him my Lorenz information. HOWEVER, I cannot find his website> or the Lorenz registry. My engine never showed up on the registry. Do> you think perhaps he used my information illegally or for personal gain?> > > Worried in North Carolina. > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:42:36 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To:> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine> Regist! er> > Hi Folks,> > I've been busy over the holidays doing updates> to the Lorenz and Benz engine> registry. If any of you have Lorenz or> Benz engines, please send the details> to me so that I can include the> engines in the register. I need S/N, HP,> Owner's Name,> City/State/Country and any comments about unique features,> condition,> etc.> > If you have photos, please send those as well. I would prefer> that the> pictures NOT be reduced in size.> > One gentleman in Holland> who has a number of Czech engines has provided a lot> of info for the> register. He also provided this link to a video of one of the> rarest of> the Lorenz and Benz engines; one with low tension ignition!!> > ENJOY!!>> > See ya, Arnie> > Arnie Fero> Pittsburgh, PA> fero_ah at city-net.com> >> ----- Forwarded message from Peter Daamen -----> Date:> Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:16:36 +0100> From: Peter Daamen >> Subject: RE: Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > Hi Arnie,> > Best wishes! > for the new year !!!> > I found the next clip on youtube:> >> http:/ /nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoXyvPMk5E> > Nice running low tension> Lorenz> > And we keep in contact for your visit to Holland.> > Gr.> >> Peter> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing> list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _________________________________________________________________> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows> Vista(r). > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From kosh at ncweb.com Mon Dec 29 12:52:01 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:52:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book In-Reply-To: <5012F282D78B49ACB8A21EDA13CCBE28@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081229155141.02e63ae0@ncweb.com> What is the title? Dave Merchant At 02:31 PM 12/29/2008, you wrote: >Rick, > >You can buy the book directly from Chuck Wendel at 4415 F. Street, Amana >Ia. 52203. > >Joe >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 29 13:54:33 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:54:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590968312C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909683086@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590968312C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <8dc42c0eb52e2bfd6b9c21f65f575284.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Oh ho Mr. Best, holding out on me I see. Four 'eh? All I have of yours in the registry is a 5-6 hp Benz S/N: 2672. So let's have the other three (with pics if you have 'em). The registry total (so far) is 47 Lorenz and 38 Benz engines. As to getting some of our esteemed Flame Mistresses time; well, I'll let her speak for herself. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Steve, despite my best efforts at evading your pit bull guard dawgs, I have to say that the 3-4 hp Lorenz S/N: 16233 appears to still be in your collection. On Mon, December 29, 2008 3:29 pm, Best, George wrote: > It is too bad that Mr Fero didn't take the registry more serious. > I'm sure there are quite a few Czech engines in the U.S. and Canada. I > have 4 in my barn ;-) > > I'll leave the fancy wordsmithing to the other Czech engine collectors > on this list ;-) > Would be nice if Mr Fero shared some of the registry information and > supplied his web mistress with more material. > > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Steve Royster > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:56 AM > > Gee George, They must be really rare, I didn't realize there were only > four of them in existance, Mine must be a knock -off or something and > that's why it's not on the registry, Thanks for the help. Steve -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. 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(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 14:47:04 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:47:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Arnie Ferro Compressor Story Message-ID: <452175.23208.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Jerry, Take a look at the pictures of that Fero compressor on Arnie's web page and you will see just what a "story" Mike wrote. Another more true tale from the SEL list was from a?gal that used to post messages. Watch me butcher her name. Sheelin Prinzinger,, ?Did I get it right folks? She told us how her husband got a great deal on an engine by just saying two words. Does anyone have a copy of that old email? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Jerry Evans wrote: From: Jerry Evans Subject: Re: Arnie Ferro Compressor Story To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 3:21 PM At 09:29 PM 29/12/2008, you wrote: >Hi Craig, >I think you meant Arnie Fero. >You just needed to go to Arnies web page and follow a couple links to get >here. 8>)) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero2.htm > >I love this story. >Alan in Michigan Yes Alan, ? ? ? ???One of the best "Old Iron Collecting" stories on the net. Mike's descriptive writing has me in fits every time I read it. Arnie, did you ever fix the compressor? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From curt at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 29 15:00:03 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:00:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. Message-ID: <59477.168.215.206.73.1230591603.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Off topic, but hopefully a few mechanics out there can confirm something for me. Working on the Willis transmissions. There is a 3 speed T-96 standard transmission with the Borg Warner 2 speed R10 electric operated transmission on the back. I've got it all back together and am shifting it and checking out the OD functions on the bench. With the OD solenoid activated I am seeing that the freewheeling action is disabled AND I am seeing that the output shaft won't rotate in the backward direction. Does this all sound correct? Freewheeling works with the solenoid off in all 3 forward gears. Since the OD tranny's purpose is to promote fuel economy, I expected freewheeling in the OD mode as well. Imagine my surprise. So that's why I'm checking to see if anyone knows. The lack of rolling backwards was a bit of a surprise too. The books all tell you that if the pawl hangs up and won't release the OD, you'll not be able to get the vehicle in reverse, nor will you be able to roll it backwards. With a little additional wiring, one could configure the vehicle to be self holding on steep hills for inexperienced clutch users/drivers. Thanks for any guidance anyone has. Curt Holland From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 29 15:48:31 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:48:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Ferro Compressor Story References: <452175.23208.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c96a0f$f4b16550$66674b47@mikecomp> Speaking of the Fero compressor, is the restoration finished yet? Will we see it at Portland this year? This is the 7th anniversary of the compressor in his possession, along with a free Brunner tank and motor. Surely to goodness this thing is finished by now!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie Ferro Compressor Story Hey Jerry, Take a look at the pictures of that Fero compressor on Arnie's web page and you will see just what a "story" Mike wrote. Another more true tale from the SEL list was from a gal that used to post messages. Watch me butcher her name. Sheelin Prinzinger,, Did I get it right folks? She told us how her husband got a great deal on an engine by just saying two words. Does anyone have a copy of that old email? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Jerry Evans wrote: From: Jerry Evans Subject: Re: Arnie Ferro Compressor Story To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 3:21 PM At 09:29 PM 29/12/2008, you wrote: >Hi Craig, >I think you meant Arnie Fero. >You just needed to go to Arnies web page and follow a couple links to get >here. 8>)) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero2.htm > >I love this story. >Alan in Michigan Yes Alan, One of the best "Old Iron Collecting" stories on the net. Mike's descriptive writing has me in fits every time I read it. Arnie, did you ever fix the compressor? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Mon Dec 29 17:02:07 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:02:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. In-Reply-To: <59477.168.215.206.73.1230591603.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59477.168.215.206.73.1230591603.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4959730F.7070107@telenet.net> curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Off topic, but hopefully a few mechanics out there can confirm something > for me. > Working on the Willis transmissions. There is a 3 speed T-96 standard > transmission with the Borg Warner 2 speed R10 electric operated > transmission on the back. I've got it all back together and am shifting it > and checking out the OD functions on the bench. > With the OD solenoid activated I am seeing that the freewheeling action is > disabled AND I am seeing that the output shaft won't rotate in the > backward direction. Does this all sound correct? > > Freewheeling works with the solenoid off in all 3 forward gears. Since the > OD tranny's purpose is to promote fuel economy, I expected freewheeling in > the OD mode as well. Imagine my surprise. So that's why I'm checking to > see if anyone knows. > > The lack of rolling backwards was a bit of a surprise too. The books all > tell you that if the pawl hangs up and won't release the OD, you'll not be > able to get the vehicle in reverse, nor will you be able to roll it > backwards. With a little additional wiring, one could configure the > vehicle to be self holding on steep hills for inexperienced clutch > users/drivers. > > Thanks for any guidance anyone has. > Curt Holland > > I've got one someplace in the back of the shop. I think it's on a Saginaw 3 speed. I seem to remember it did the same thing out of the vehicle but it's been a LONG time since I played with it. Here are a couple items you might want to look at. http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/borg-warner-r10-overdrives-59428-2.html http://www.hydratech.com/pctc/Public_Documents/bwwiring.pdf. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Dec 29 18:08:54 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:08:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. In-Reply-To: <59477.168.215.206.73.1230591603.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Curt: You're now talkin' to a guy who's had several of the Borg Warner Overdrive units in various cars. To answer your questions, when the Overdrive is locked out via the dash cable, it acts like a regular stick shift in all ways. Definition of "lock-out": When the Overdrive gearbox is locked out, the sun gear is locked to the outer ring gear by shifting the sun gear so teeth in it engage with inside teeth in the planetary gear carrier. When the dash cable is pushed in, the transmission free-wheels in all three gears except reverse. When the transmission is put into reverse, a pushrod from the reverse shift fork forces the Overdrive to lock-out, otherwise, the transmission would lock-up when you tried to reverse and could damage the sprag clutch or planetary gearset. When the engagement solenoid is actuated, a pawl in conjunction with the sprag (one-way) clutch causes the sun gear to be held stationary while power from the engine is transmitted to the gear cage. When the engagement solenoid is not actuated and the Overdrive is -not- locked out, power is transmitted from the sun gear and the cage to the ring gear, giving a 1:1 ratio. THERE IS NO FREE-WHEELING WHEN EITHER THE O/D IS LOCKED OUT OR IS NOT LOCKED OUT AND THE SOLENOID IS ENGAGED. Years ago, "free-wheeling" was touted by, I think, Chevrolet, as being an economy move. It actually was a danger because the engine could not brake the car and, going down hills required riding the brakes, heating them up and causing them to fade. There are a couple of other things that you should understand about the electrics of the Overdrive system. There is a governor that actuates a relay which, in turn, powers the Overdrive solenoid. The solenoid has two coils inside with a set of contacts that shifts beween a high-power coil when the plunger is in the disengaged state and a lower power coil which holds the solenoid plunger bottomed with less current when it is engaged. There is also a "kick-down" button underneath the gas pedal that has a form-c contact arrangement. The normally closed contact is in series with the ground line to the relay coil. When you floor the accelerator, the pedal actuates the switch and releases the solenoid by interrupting ground to the relay coil. You will note that there is a second contact inside the governor which goes to the second solenoid wire. This contact closes a circuit to ground when the solenoid is energized and grounds the ignition points to kill engine power for a very short interval to release the load on the Overdrive pawl, allowing it to retract. Once the pawl has retracted, power is restored. If the system's working right, above about 30 mph (depending on the speed at which the governor powers the relay) and with the dash cable pushed in, the overdrive can be engaged by letting off the gas and allowing the higher gear to engage. You can feel the shudder when the pawl engages and then can re-apply power. When you need the lower (non-Overdrive) gear while cruising (and above governed speed), simply floor the accelerator and you will then be in "passing gear". Once you've finished passing, simply let off the gas and let the Overdrive re-engage. Rule: Do NOT pull out the Overdrive dash knob while free-wheeling! This will cause a very irritating and not-too healthy grind of the sun gear with the internal gear on the gear cage. If you must lock out the Overdrive while moving, pull the dash knob out only after flooring the accelerator (kicking down the transmission) while power is applied. In conclusion, I've driven several hundred thousand miles with Overdrive transmissions. When used properly, they are reliable and long lasting. In fact, Overdrive extensions were used on Chevys up to the 1960's. Note that the Overdrive option was really nice when friends in the '50's went to the drags with their Detroit iron. Most Overdrive cars had 4.11:1 rear axles and could really scat in a drag race and, with the Overdrive in the car, they were legal under stock rules. Simply lock out the O/D and beat the competition. I added a little feature in my '54 Ford. I put a switch on the dash that allowed me to engage the O/D at a stop and pull out with an extra high set of three speed gears (like a two speed axle). One of the things we did in my teens was to play "low gear chicken" (for the lack of a better term). Two cars would line up and take off in low gear. The point was not to get somewhere first but to see who had either the engine or the nerve to go fastest in low gear. There were more than a couple of '55 (283) Chevy drivers that were embarrassed to be outclassed by a measly 239 Ford. That thing would do almost 60 in low gear! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 05:00 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. > > > Off topic, but hopefully a few mechanics out > there can confirm something > for me. > Working on the Willis transmissions. There is a 3 > speed T-96 standard > transmission with the Borg Warner 2 speed R10 > electric operated > transmission on the back. I've got it all back > together and am shifting it > and checking out the OD functions on the bench. > With the OD solenoid activated I am seeing that > the freewheeling action is > disabled AND I am seeing that the output shaft > won't rotate in the > backward direction. Does this all sound correct? > > Freewheeling works with the solenoid off in all 3 > forward gears. Since the > OD tranny's purpose is to promote fuel economy, I > expected freewheeling in > the OD mode as well. Imagine my surprise. So > that's why I'm checking to > see if anyone knows. > > The lack of rolling backwards was a bit of a > surprise too. The books all > tell you that if the pawl hangs up and won't > release the OD, you'll not be > able to get the vehicle in reverse, nor will you > be able to roll it > backwards. With a little additional wiring, one > could configure the > vehicle to be self holding on steep hills for > inexperienced clutch > users/drivers. > > Thanks for any guidance anyone has. > Curt Holland From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 30 09:31:48 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:31:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?There were more than a couple of '55 (283) Chevy drivers that were embarrassed to be outclassed by a measly 239 Ford. That thing would do almost 60 in low gear! :-)? Ayup. I had a 239 Ford (?54 ragtop) and a ?59 Rambler Classic. Had to put the switch in the Ford; the Rambler would cheerfully wind far enough to engage the OD in first. The Y-block, due to its very limited breathing, was far less fragile than the Chebbie. Same deal with the nail head Buick; the tiny valves limited engine speed before it could hurt itself Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Dec 30 09:32:22 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:32:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081230192437.00bd35c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 30/12/2008, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:32:49 -0500 >From: Steve Royster >Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register > >HI Folks! I got this e-mail from this gentleman last year at this time >and gave him my Lorenz information. HOWEVER, I cannot find his website or >the Lorenz registry. My engine never showed up on the registry. Do you >think perhaps he used my information illegally or for personal gain? > >Worried in North Carolina. Steve, That's amazing. I had the same experience and also fell for it. I actually sent pics and other info on some Lorenz engines here in South Africa. You've got me worried now - maybe I'd better warn the owners! Do you know this guy? Is he trustworthy? At the time I thought it was a genuine request but now you've got me worried. maybe it's a scam - like the guy who keeps sending mail to Peter Lowe in Aus and "offering" him R&V parts!! Please keep me informed! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 30 11:23:14 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:23:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. References: Message-ID: <09D34274342B4FD58118DE5E4570A390@YOURDA6F5028CB> Same deal with the nail head Buick; the tiny valves limited engine speed before it could hurt itself Not so fast there, The Buick engines like that will rev up high enough to flote the valves. They would hit the pistons at a severe angle due to the pent house head design (all the valves on one side) and bend a whole bunch of them. Not that much labor back then unless it holed some pistons. Skip Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1869 - Release Date: 12/30/2008 12:06 PM From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Dec 30 11:26:22 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081230192437.00bd35c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081230192437.00bd35c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, I now think the FBI is involved in the scam as well! They have a headquarters in Kibworth Harcourt, Leicester and our shady character travels to this location at least once a year as well as other countries such as Korea. I think I'm going to post some wanted ads for Lorenz engines in these locations and see what happens. Maybe we can route them out. In the meantime I'd have to advise against sending him anymore pictures or serial numbers, just to be safe! Cautious in North Carolina. > > > >Worried in North Carolina.> > Steve,> That's amazing. I had the same experience and also fell for it. I > actually sent pics and other info on some Lorenz engines here in South Africa.> You've got me worried now - maybe I'd better warn the owners! Do > you know this guy? Is he trustworthy? At the time I thought it was a > genuine request but now you've got me worried. maybe it's a scam - like the > guy who keeps sending mail to Peter Lowe in Aus and "offering" him R&V parts!!> Please keep me informed!> > > Keep the revs up (or down)> Jerry Evans> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:> > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 From toadhill at aeroinc.net Tue Dec 30 11:35:17 2008 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:35:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book Message-ID: <1E575B77A5194AE2BD45F962B6EEEAB8@joe5599c86d812> Dave, The title of the book is "American Industrial Machinery Since 1870". Joe From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Tue Dec 30 11:54:15 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:54:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book References: <1E575B77A5194AE2BD45F962B6EEEAB8@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <01e101c96ab8$6521a400$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Yes that is it. Searching under that title I found out where to order the book. Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe&Jewel Maurer" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book > Dave, > > The title of the book is "American Industrial Machinery Since 1870". > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Dec 30 11:52:38 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:52:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book Message-ID: <380-2200812230195238540@coastalnet.com> Google found it with no problem: http://www.briarpress.org/12398 Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Joe&Jewel Maurer > To: > Date: 12/30/2008 2:35:40 PM > Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book > > Dave, > > The title of the book is "American Industrial Machinery Since 1870". > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 30 15:04:39 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:04:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bruce: I could wind my 239 tight enough to get into O/D without the switch but the rule was to start off and stay in low gear. I figured that shifting into O/D on the fly would have been dirty pool, nyuk, nyuk! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Bruce > Younger > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:32 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. > > > > ?There were more than a couple of '55 (283) > Chevy drivers that were embarrassed to be > outclassed by a measly 239 Ford. That thing > would do almost 60 in low gear! :-)? > > Ayup. I had a 239 Ford (?54 ragtop) and a ?59 Rambler > Classic. Had to put the switch in the > Ford; the Rambler would cheerfully wind far > enough to engage the OD in > first. The Y-block, due to its very > limited breathing, was far less fragile than the > Chebbie. Same deal with the nail head Buick; the tiny > valves limited engine speed before it could hurt itself > > Bruce Younger > > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > > Madison, SD > > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > > "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man > and those that have hunted > armed men long enough and liked it, never care > for anything else thereafter." > > E. Hemingway > > > > __________________________________________________ > _______________ > Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. > http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TA GLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Dec 30 15:11:57 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:11:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081230192437.00bd35c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi, Cautious in North Carolina, I wouldn't be worried about the scam now that we know the FBI are involved .But I will say that I have stepped up security features around my Benz and Lorenz engines over the last few days. I to was contacted last year about the engines in my owner ship, but the said person already had the details and was just rechecking them, he was also seen at a show in Holland with his pen and notebook taking serial numbers and also photographs of only Benz and Lorenz engines and also the FBI team members were with him on this mission. Very cautious in the U.K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Hi Jerry, I now think the FBI is involved in the scam as well! They have a headquarters in Kibworth Harcourt, Leicester and our shady character travels to this location at least once a year as well as other countries such as Korea. I think I'm going to post some wanted ads for Lorenz engines in these locations and see what happens. Maybe we can route them out. In the meantime I'd have to advise against sending him anymore pictures or serial numbers, just to be safe! Cautious in North Carolina. > > > >Worried in North Carolina.> > Steve,> That's amazing. I had the same > > > >experience and also fell for it. I > actually sent pics and other > > > >info on some Lorenz engines here in South Africa.> You've got me > > > >worried now - maybe I'd better warn the owners! Do > you know this > > > >guy? Is he trustworthy? At the time I thought it was a > genuine > > > >request but now you've got me worried. maybe it's a scam - like the > > > > >guy who keeps sending mail to Peter Lowe in Aus and "offering" him > > > >R&V parts!!> Please keep me informed!> > > Keep the revs up (or > > > >down)> Jerry Evans> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.> Etched > > > >Brass Engine Plates made to order:> > > > >> > > > > > > >_______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Dec 30 16:19:19 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:19:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081230192437.00bd35c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001401c96add$6c6058e0$66674b47@mikecomp> OMG, I've been scammed by this fellow too! Years ago he contacted me about "helping" him find an air compressor, some kind of family heirloom thing. Well, he piled it on thick and being from the south and all helpful and trusting, not only did I find him one for next to nothing, then I gave him a tank and motor. I don't mind telling you guys, I suffered to get him all that stuff and do you know, I have never seen them again. I think he sold them to a collector or scrap, as no one knows of these items in 7 years!!! Oh what a slick con man he is!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Hi, Cautious in North Carolina, I wouldn't be worried about the scam now that we know the FBI are involved .But I will say that I have stepped up security features around my Benz and Lorenz engines over the last few days. I to was contacted last year about the engines in my owner ship, but the said person already had the details and was just rechecking them, he was also seen at a show in Holland with his pen and notebook taking serial numbers and also photographs of only Benz and Lorenz engines and also the FBI team members were with him on this mission. Very cautious in the U.K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Hi Jerry, I now think the FBI is involved in the scam as well! They have a headquarters in Kibworth Harcourt, Leicester and our shady character travels to this location at least once a year as well as other countries such as Korea. I think I'm going to post some wanted ads for Lorenz engines in these locations and see what happens. Maybe we can route them out. In the meantime I'd have to advise against sending him anymore pictures or serial numbers, just to be safe! Cautious in North Carolina. > > > >Worried in North Carolina.> > Steve,> That's amazing. I had the same > > > >experience and also fell for it. I > actually sent pics and other > > > >info on some Lorenz engines here in South Africa.> You've got me > > > >worried now - maybe I'd better warn the owners! Do > you know this > > > >guy? Is he trustworthy? At the time I thought it was a > genuine > > > >request but now you've got me worried. maybe it's a scam - like the > > > > >guy who keeps sending mail to Peter Lowe in Aus and "offering" him > > > >R&V parts!!> Please keep me informed!> > > Keep the revs up (or > > > >down)> Jerry Evans> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.> Etched > > > >Brass Engine Plates made to order:> > > > >> > > > > > > >_______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Dec 30 16:41:13 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:41:13 EST Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/2008 7:19:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, mr at carolina.rr.com writes: Oh what a slick con man he is!!!!! When atomic atoms float in your head, what else would you expect! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Dec 30 19:10:24 2008 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:10:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. References: Message-ID: <003f01c96af5$533fed40$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Hi Bruce! I had both the Saginaw 3 speed with the Borg overdrive and the free-wheeling equipped 32 Chevy. The Saginaw was from a 67 Chevelle and I put it in a 66 GTO with 389 and tripower. It not only took the abuse of a power crazed teenager and held up, it also wound the speedometer around to the pin on more than one occasion, and considering the suspension limitations of the 66 Goat, it's a wonder I made it to adulthood. As for the 32 Chevrolet, whoever thought up the combo of free-wheeling and mechanical brakes was surely a flat-lander, as driving it in upstate New York was akin to a suicide mission. On long hills, it liked to put itself into freewheeling. This only happened to me once and I wired that thing out with baling wire on the arm and never used it again. I'd love to have either of those cars back again, but I couldn't afford them at today's prices! Thanks for the memories and good luck with yours!- Jim Mackessy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. ?There were more than a couple of '55 (283) Chevy drivers that were embarrassed to be outclassed by a measly 239 Ford. That thing would do almost 60 in low gear! :-)? Ayup. I had a 239 Ford (?54 ragtop) and a ?59 Rambler Classic. Had to put the switch in the Ford; the Rambler would cheerfully wind far enough to engage the OD in first. The Y-block, due to its very limited breathing, was far less fragile than the Chebbie. Same deal with the nail head Buick; the tiny valves limited engine speed before it could hurt itself Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Dec 31 05:00:09 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:00:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz Message-ID: <566B7767EF0446E2B70D382C9D8DB6DC@peterlowe> Hi everyone. Happy New Year from Australia. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 31 10:04:49 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:04:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081231194912.00be3628@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 31/12/2008, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:22 -0500 >From: Steve Royster >Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register > >Hi Jerry, I now think the FBI is involved in the scam as well! They have >a headquarters in Kibworth Harcourt, Leicester and our shady character >travels to this location at least once a year as well as other countries >such as Korea. I think I'm going to post some wanted ads for Lorenz >engines in these locations and see what happens. Maybe we can route them >out. In the meantime I'd have to advise against sending him anymore >pictures or serial numbers, just to be safe! Cautious in North Carolina. Hi Steve, Mike and Craig, OMIGOSH !! Now you guy's have now really got me worried. What with annual trips to the FBI & Nuenen and reports of his only collecting pics an serial numbers of Lorenz engines.. Do you really think that there is a risk with the FBI being involved - I often wondered why one of them writes his webpages - could this all be part of a much bigger plot that you have just uncovered? Of particular concern to me is the fact that this same individual has, for the last few years, been hinting at the possibility of a trip to South Africa. He does this under the guise of needing to do some work at our nuclear power station (which, btw, just happens to be situated very close to one of our last untapped old iron regions) Do you think that I should warn our local authorities ? Help me on this one please guys - what should I do? Very worried in South Africa!! From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 31 11:23:32 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:23:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081231194912.00be3628@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081231194912.00be3628@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hey Dolly, They may be onto us... Ya reckon we should deal them in for a percentage of the swag? Or just provide their names to Da Boyz? See ya, Arnie On Wed, December 31, 2008 1:04 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: >>From: Steve Royster >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register >> >>Hi Jerry, I now think the FBI is involved in the scam as well! They have >>a headquarters in Kibworth Harcourt, Leicester and our shady character >>travels to this location at least once a year as well as other countries >>such as Korea. I think I'm going to post some wanted ads for Lorenz >>engines in these locations and see what happens. Maybe we can route >>them out. >> >>In the meantime I'd have to advise against sending him anymore >>pictures or serial numbers, just to be safe! >>Cautious in North Carolina. > > Hi Steve, Mike and Craig, > OMIGOSH !! Now you guy's have now really got me worried. What with > annual trips to the FBI & Nuenen and reports of his only collecting pics > an serial numbers of Lorenz engines.. > > Do you really think that there is a risk with the FBI being > involved - I often wondered why one of them writes his webpages - could > this all be part of a much bigger plot that you have just uncovered? > > Of particular concern to me is the fact that this same individual > has, for the last few years, been hinting at the possibility of a trip to > South Africa. He does this under the guise of needing to do some work at > our nuclear power station (which, btw, just happens to be situated very > close to one of our last untapped old iron regions) > > Do you think that I should warn our local authorities ? Help me on > this one please guys - what should I do? > > Very worried in South Africa!! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 31 12:54:01 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:54:01 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year / Calendar Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081231202539.00c36368@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys and Girls, (read right to the bottom) New Year will be in 1 1/4 hours here. I'll probably run the small Vincent since I've now got it behaving itself and it's also the closest to my workshop door. It has just started to rain here and the wind is really blowing so it will just have to be an engine that I can run indoors close to the workshop door. (Maybe the Maytag ??) (Dave and Arnie, will that be acceptable?) Once again, thanks for all the friendship shown during the last year. I love the lists, even when the dreaded "cabin fever" rears it's head! I've also been guilty of "venting" quite often (mostly on Slick) and, if I've offended anyone, I beg forgiveness. I've never intended to be obnoxious to anyone on the lists (O.K. there was that one guy :-) but I see he does not post anymore!!). Jokes aside, I enjoy each and every post and value your friendship and input. I really enjoy the friendly "banter" between members even if it is often "off topic". And, what would the lists be like if nobody posted comments about Maytags ? May 2009 bring much happiness, love, peace, old iron and anything else that you and your families would wish for. ********************** Earlier in the year (about 6 months ago) I mentioned that I would like to make a 2009 calendar for the SEL and Oldengine lists. **************** Here is a copy of that mail*********** Hi All, I'd like to publish a 2009 calendar exclusively for members of the 2 lists I belong to ie. SEL and Oldengine lists. What I visualize is the following: a) A fairly high resolution .pdf document that members could print out on their own printers. I will make it in both A4 and letter size to cater for everyone. b) This would be downloadable from my site sometime in December. c) It would be an exclusive calendar for list members ie. not a general download - I could do this with a password protected page or something like that. Of course, if members would like to send a copy to a friend that would be O.K. - I just do not want to make it something that every Tom (sorry Tom in NZ), Dick and Harry (except for Harry Matthews) can log on and download. :-) d) Of course there would be "no charge". I'd just like to do this for list members and friends. I would like you guys to send me a high resolution pic of you and your favourite, most famous, rarest, most popular or whatever engine. Of course it will be nicer if you and your better half (wife/girlfriend/lover or whatever) are included in the photo. That way we could put a face to the people we correspond with on the lists. I'd also like a location but only very vague like "Wisconsin, USA". We do not necessarily want to publish the full address. If you would include your birthday I can try to fit your pic into the appropriate month as well as mark that day as "Joe's birthday". Due to the worldwide nature of this calendar I may or may not show "Public holidays" - maybe just important International ones - let me know your thoughts. Depending on the response it would be a 12 page (1 page per month) calendar with a really good picture of a members engine or a few smaller pics of various members and their engines. The pictures would take up most of the available space on the page with the actual "calendar" taking up maybe 1/4 of the space. Please let me know your thoughts and start selecting the photograph that you would like included. Remember that I would like this to be high quality so please select good, clear, high resolution photographs. It will not look good if you or your engine is just a "big shadow". For those of you who do not have digital photo's you could post me a print and I will scan it. P.S. Maytags are welcome :-) ***************** The response was affirmative and good but I received very few pictures from list members. I know that it is a bit late right now but I have actually already got the calendar "set up" but I need more pictures. PLEASE SEND ME SOME GOOD PICTURES TO INCLUDE. I have all the pics (only about 8) originally submitted and will use them but some are low resolution or small so I may make a "collage" of these and put them all on 1 page. Also, PLEASE do not send me a link to a picture on any type of "Webshots" site. Many of these sites require me to "register" to be able to download (or save) pics and I think that this is just another ploy to get my eMail address for spamming so I refuse to give it to them. A link to any decent or legitimate site (like Oldengine.org) is fine so long as the pic is of a decent size and resolution. I would really prefer you to email the pic direct to me at the original resolution that your camera took it (ie. DO NOT reduce it for eMail). I've got broadband (albeit African style) and can handle large files. In a recent post Arnie mentioned that someone (sorry I've forgotten who) should send a pic of that nicely restored Maytag with the exhaust connected up to an "Oil dispenser or pump". I'd like a high res of that pic for inclusion if possible. Maybe I'll devote a whole page to a collage of Maytags. Hoping for a good response this time - Happy New year Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 31 13:55:29 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:55:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59242.168.215.206.73.1230760529.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> > Curt: > > You're now talkin' to a guy who's had several of the Borg Warner Overdrive > units in various cars. > > To answer your questions, when the Overdrive is locked out via the dash > cable, it acts like a regular stick shift in all ways. Agree. > > Definition of "lock-out": When the Overdrive gearbox is locked out, the > sun gear is locked to the outer ring gear by shifting the sun gear so > teeth in it engage with inside teeth in the planetary gear carrier. Agree. The sun gear is shifted aft to engage with the outer ring. Same thing happens when shifting into reverse with the front transmission. > > When the dash cable is pushed in, the transmission free-wheels in all > three gears except reverse. When the transmission is put into reverse, a > pushrod from the reverse shift fork forces the Overdrive to lock-out, > otherwise, the transmission would lock-up when you tried to reverse and > could damage the sprag clutch or planetary gearset. I'm not observing this. What I see is that the one way clutch with the 12 rollers aft of the planetary gears will not transfer reverse rotation. In order to actually get reverse rotation of the output shaft, the sun gear has to be locked to the ring gear. I'm not seeing any lock up conditions you mention. > > When the engagement solenoid is actuated, a pawl in conjunction with the > sprag (one-way) clutch causes the sun gear to be held stationary while > power from the engine is transmitted to the gear cage. Agree. When the > engagement solenoid is not actuated and the Overdrive is -not- locked out, > power is transmitted from the sun gear and the cage to the ring gear, > giving a 1:1 ratio. Agree. > > THERE IS NO FREE-WHEELING WHEN EITHER THE O/D IS LOCKED OUT OR IS NOT > LOCKED OUT AND THE SOLENOID IS ENGAGED. OK that answers one of my questions. There is not supposed to be free wheeling when the O/D solenoid is engaged. Seems counter intuitive to the fuel economics they were trying to achieve with O/D! Especially when you consider that free-wheeling only existed from 0 thru about 27 mph before the centrifugal switch pulled in. Years ago, "free-wheeling" was > touted by, I think, Chevrolet, as being an economy move. It actually was > a danger because the engine could not brake the car and, going down hills > required riding the brakes, heating them up and causing them to fade. But you had engine braking as long as you were in O/D, right? So it was only dangerous at speeds under 27 mpg with the cable pushed in, right? > > There are a couple of other things that you should understand about the > electrics of the Overdrive system. There is a governor that actuates a > relay which, in turn, powers the Overdrive solenoid. Yup, got all that working. The solenoid has two > coils inside with a set of contacts that shifts beween a high-power coil > when the plunger is in the disengaged state and a lower power coil which > holds the solenoid plunger bottomed with less current when it is engaged. Yup, got all this working too. Pulls 3 amps when engaged. > > There is also a "kick-down" button underneath the gas pedal that has a > form-c contact arrangement. The normally closed contact is in series with > the ground line to the relay coil. When you floor the accelerator, the > pedal actuates the switch and releases the solenoid by interrupting ground > to the relay coil. Yup, got all this up to snuff too. > > You will note that there is a second contact inside the governor which > goes to the second solenoid wire. Got this working as well. This contact closes a circuit to ground > when the solenoid is energized and grounds the ignition points to kill > engine power for a very short interval to release the load on the > Overdrive pawl, allowing it to retract. Once the pawl has retracted, > power is restored. > > If the system's working right, above about 30 mph (depending on the speed > at which the governor powers the relay) and with the dash cable pushed in, > the overdrive can be engaged by letting off the gas and allowing the > higher gear to engage. You can feel the shudder when the pawl engages and > then can re-apply power. > > When you need the lower (non-Overdrive) gear while cruising (and above > governed speed), simply floor the accelerator and you will then be in > "passing gear". Once you've finished passing, simply let off the gas and > let the Overdrive re-engage. > > Rule: Do NOT pull out the Overdrive dash knob while free-wheeling! Thanks for the heads up. Had not thought of this! This > will cause a very irritating and not-too healthy grind of the sun gear > with the internal gear on the gear cage. If you must lock out the > Overdrive while moving, pull the dash knob out only after flooring the > accelerator (kicking down the transmission) while power is applied. > > In conclusion, I've driven several hundred thousand miles with Overdrive > transmissions. When used properly, they are reliable and long lasting. > In fact, Overdrive extensions were used on Chevys up to the 1960's. > > Note that the Overdrive option was really nice when friends in the '50's > went to the drags with their Detroit iron. Most Overdrive cars had 4.11:1 > rear axles and could really scat in a drag race and, with the Overdrive in > the car, they were legal under stock rules. Simply lock out the O/D and > beat the competition. This Willis has a 5.33 ratio rear end. Devin better not be drag racing this vehicle! He won't stand much of a chance with a 4 cylinder making a mere 73 HP! We are simply trying to get the O/D working so we might have a chance of going more than 45 mph! > > I added a little feature in my '54 Ford. I put a switch on the dash that > allowed me to engage the O/D at a stop We've done the same with the O/D switch on the dash for now, as we are simply testing things out. We used the hole the lighter was in originally and I turned a nice brass washer to adapt an aviation style switch to the larger hole in the dash. The little switch has a green LED in the end to tell you it is on. Teen boys think that is really kewl. Actually Missy picked the switch out at the auto parts store. Would you expect any different of a EE? No one has answered the second question. I've got this transmission on my bench. With the O/D solenoid engaged, will the output shaft lock up when attempting to rotate in reverse? I think this has to be the case, because running down the road in O/D the output shaft would be overrunning the main shaft (coming out of the 3 speed transmission). When I try and reverse the output shaft, the overrun clutch locks up and prevents rotation thru the dog . Elden, thanks for the detailed explanation. I'm trying to confirm everything is as it should be before tightening all the bolts and committing paint to the assembled transmission assy. I hate to screw up fresh paint taking something back apart! Curt and pull out with an extra high set > of three speed gears (like a two speed axle). One of the things we did in > my teens was to play "low gear chicken" (for the lack of a better term). > Two cars would line up and take off in low gear. The point was not to get > somewhere first but to see who had either the engine or the nerve to go > fastest in low gear. There were more than a couple of '55 (283) Chevy > drivers that were embarrassed to be outclassed by a measly 239 Ford. That > thing would do almost 60 in low gear! :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of >> curt at rustyiron.com >> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 05:00 PM >> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; >> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. >> >> >> Off topic, but hopefully a few mechanics out >> there can confirm something >> for me. >> Working on the Willis transmissions. There is a 3 >> speed T-96 standard >> transmission with the Borg Warner 2 speed R10 >> electric operated >> transmission on the back. I've got it all back >> together and am shifting it >> and checking out the OD functions on the bench. >> With the OD solenoid activated I am seeing that >> the freewheeling action is >> disabled AND I am seeing that the output shaft >> won't rotate in the >> backward direction. Does this all sound correct? >> >> Freewheeling works with the solenoid off in all 3 >> forward gears. Since the >> OD tranny's purpose is to promote fuel economy, I >> expected freewheeling in >> the OD mode as well. Imagine my surprise. So >> that's why I'm checking to >> see if anyone knows. >> >> The lack of rolling backwards was a bit of a >> surprise too. The books all >> tell you that if the pawl hangs up and won't >> release the OD, you'll not be >> able to get the vehicle in reverse, nor will you >> be able to roll it >> backwards. With a little additional wiring, one >> could configure the >> vehicle to be self holding on steep hills for >> inexperienced clutch >> users/drivers. >> >> Thanks for any guidance anyone has. >> Curt Holland > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 31 16:16:10 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:16:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New Year / Calendar Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090101015404.00bbb5a0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, It's 2:00 am 1st January 2009 here. Just spent the last 2 hours running the "Vincent" (only about 15 minutes) and then decided that we preferred the water cooled stuff. We ran my Ruston & Hornsby PT (what an amazingly well behaved engine) for the full 2 hours - he just did not want to die. I also ran my first restoration - the Wolseley WD9 - and my daughter Jacqui ran her Wolseley WD8. They all started on the first "swing" (all have crank handles) and helped us celebrate the new year. I took video's and still pics but am too tired (or too many brandy & cokes) right now to upload them so will do so later. We decided against a Maytag - only because the above mentioned engines took all the available space (it's raining like hell here) in the workshop door opening! (Dave, Arnie - comments?) Guys, thank you to all who responded to my appeal for pics for the calendar - I got some really nice photos but please feel free to send more - it's never too late. I'll work on them tomorrow (actually later today - when I've had my "beauty sleep" and the hangover has subsided :-). HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Dec 31 16:21:39 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:21:39 -0000 Subject: [SEL] New Year Message-ID: <74D6D91ABCA84733939A2D6B8A5CC229@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Everyone, It's just turned 20 minutes past 12 here in A cold and damp Scotland , and I would like to wish you all a very happy and prosperous new year and you never know I may be able to meet some of you good people at a show somewhere this year. Cheers , Craig in Scotland From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 31 16:47:09 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:47:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Year References: <74D6D91ABCA84733939A2D6B8A5CC229@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <2F5BB4374D204D2CB640D8E2AC68F2D1@REG> Just before noon here. 90+ temp and sun is hot! Some models have run to start the year. Aint bothered with the full size yet. Party time in our garden. So, better get out there and have a swim. Call by if ya feel inclined. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 11:21 AM Subject: [SEL] New Year > Hi Everyone, > > It's just turned 20 minutes past 12 here in A cold and damp > Scotland , and I would like to wish you all a very happy and prosperous > new year and you never know I may be able to meet some of you good people > at a show somewhere this year. > > Cheers , Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 31 19:43:06 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:43:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Year In-Reply-To: <2F5BB4374D204D2CB640D8E2AC68F2D1@REG> References: <74D6D91ABCA84733939A2D6B8A5CC229@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <2F5BB4374D204D2CB640D8E2AC68F2D1@REG> Message-ID: <495C3BCA.206@rustic-engines.com> I fired up the Villiers mk viiic for the 'hood. It's the noisiest. :-) Lets us hope for a peaceful, calm, loving year. Prosperity would be a bonus. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com R & M Ingold wrote: > Just before noon here. > 90+ temp and sun is hot! > Some models have run to start the year. Aint bothered with the full size > yet. > Party time in our garden. > So, better get out there and have a swim. > Call by if ya feel inclined. > Reg. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "craig morrison" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 11:21 AM > Subject: [SEL] New Year > > > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> It's just turned 20 minutes past 12 here in A cold and damp >> Scotland , and I would like to wish you all a very happy and prosperous >> new year and you never know I may be able to meet some of you good people >> at a show somewhere this year. >> >> Cheers , Craig in Scotland >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 31 21:05:14 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:05:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. In-Reply-To: <59242.168.215.206.73.1230760529.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Curt: > > When the dash cable is pushed in, the > transmission free-wheels in all > > three gears except reverse. When the > transmission is put into reverse, a > > pushrod from the reverse shift fork forces the > Overdrive to lock-out, > > otherwise, the transmission would lock-up when > you tried to reverse and > > could damage the sprag clutch or planetary gearset. > > I'm not observing this. What I see is that the > one way clutch with the 12 > rollers aft of the planetary gears will not > transfer reverse rotation. In > order to actually get reverse rotation of the > output shaft, the sun gear > has to be locked to the ring gear. I'm not seeing > any lock up conditions > you mention. > Maybe I remember wrong. I DO know, though, that if you have the O/D manually engaged (by bypassing the solenoid and making it stay engaged) and try to roll back, it will lock. As a matter of fact, in my Perkins'd 50 Chevy, I used that little "undocumented feature" to hold the car on uphill grades like at a traffic light on a hill. What I would do would be to pull up to the stop with the O/D solenoid actuated then, after stopped just let the car roll back to -ease- it to the lockup condition. Now, with a load on it, you can turn off the solenoid and the pawl will stay engaged until you begin to release the clutch, when it will drop back into low range to make it easy to take off on the grade. I've done this thousands of times and have never had a problem but can almost guarantee expensive noises if you were rolling back with the dash cable pushed in and turned on the solenoid. AND you are absolutely right about the free-wheeling being a bit dangerous below about 30 mph. As a matter of fact, you can coast up to very high speeds with the dash cable pushed in and in gear because if, after the governor speed is reached and the solenoid pulls in, there has to be a momentary load on the O/D unit before it will be able to synchronize and engage. It's always a good idea to lock out the O/D in mountains, etc. Two reasons.......One is that with the lower ratios, engine braking will not be as strong and the second is that the free wheeling, even at lower speeds, can make for scary downhill driving. Ain't this fun??!! Happy New Year! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 31 21:07:14 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:07:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Year In-Reply-To: <495C3BCA.206@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: I've posted a new New Year's photo on my web page. This year I let The Home Made Engine be the star. I cheated a bit by taking it about three hours early local time.........A bit late for the Brits and everyone east of there. Happy New Year, everybody! Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From glenn.karch at att.net Wed Dec 31 20:38:42 2008 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:38:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] New year water melon drop Message-ID: <346710.24314.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi, We have something new for News Years in southwestern Indiana.? A group has constucted some kind of floating water melon that is to drop at midnight - just 22 minutes from now.? It is the Vincennes area where lot of melons are grown. We will let you what happens. Glenn From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 21:30:35 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:30:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz In-Reply-To: <566B7767EF0446E2B70D382C9D8DB6DC@peterlowe> Message-ID: <923118.56068.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL ENGINE GUYS & GALS, LADS & LASSES, ALL OVER THE WORLD FROM Bill Young, now in Bangkok ? From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Dec 31 22:03:31 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:03:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz Message-ID: <20081231.220332.1280.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Bill. And a Happy New Year to you from the left coast where there is still almost two hours to go. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:30:35 -0800 (PST) William Young writes: > HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL ENGINE GUYS & GALS, LADS & LASSES, ALL OVER THE > WORLD FROM Bill Young, now in Bangkok > ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Dec 1 00:02:07 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:02:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell Hot tube engine Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> G'day All in engine land!! Got the old Campbell running yesturday (Sunday) after a pain staking and challenging 2 year resto! (or close to it) AAAHHHHH What a bloody great feeling hey. I had the pleasure of sharing this day with a few good mates and I could not let dad miss out either. He was still smiling about it today when he called into my work. Bigish projects like this take some help to complete and there are a number of people who I have had to thank along the way. I do have some pics to add to web shots over the next week time permitting. The engine is still not show ready yet but at least now I'm very confident that it will be with me at the next Ozzie National. Mostly plumbing jobs to be done now which dad is keen to help out with. Cheers, Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Dec 1 03:04:20 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:04:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co Message-ID: MessageDoes anyone know of the history of the Gas Power Publishing Co., Michigan and in particular a book by E.L. Osborne called "Plain gas engine sense" ? Peter, Oz HI, We have a book printed in 1906 called by Osborne published by gas power publishing co, it is called Plain gas engine sense,with an advert for R & V gasoline engines printed in it. Advertising "the horizontal hit and miss engine" Some topics covered in this book are mechanical power generation,power stroke and heat losses,timing of valves and spark.Gas engine troubles,gas power tractor machines.Relation of purchaser and manufacturer.A glance ahead. Do you know if this publishing company still exists. We would be interested to hear from anyone regarding this book. Many thanks Kevin Gee From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Mon Dec 1 03:19:16 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:19:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Campbell Hot tube engine In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Very excited for you.Can we see a vid? I always smile for about two weeks when I get a long term one like this running.I thought your dress in some of the pics was a bit short!! John> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:02:07 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Campbell Hot tube engine> > G'day All in engine land!!> > Got the old Campbell running yesturday (Sunday) after a pain staking > and challenging 2 year resto! (or close to it) AAAHHHHH What a bloody > great feeling hey. I had the pleasure of sharing this day with a few > good mates and I could not let dad miss out either. He was still > smiling about it today when he called into my work. Bigish projects > like this take some help to complete and there are a number of people > who I have had to thank along the way. I do have some pics to add to > web shots over the next week time permitting. The engine is still not > show ready yet but at least now I'm very confident that it will be > with me at the next Ozzie National. Mostly plumbing jobs to be done > now which dad is keen to help out with.> > Cheers, Russell> > > Russell Gilbert> Sunny Sunraysia> russell at ncable.com.au> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Dec 1 03:30:39 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:30:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Merry Christmas Message-ID: <7332F6CAC8C94403A6E9D01EAFEAA707@PML> I know it is a bit early but we would like to wish everyone out there in engine land a Merry Christmas and a great New Year. I will be unsubscribing for only the second time since I joined the original list in 1999 (where does the time go?) but I will be back next year. We are off for our big overseas trip to the UK and other places foreign at the end of the week and I am hoping to have my first white Christmas. All the best, Patrick & Ann Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Dec 1 03:34:10 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:34:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell Hot tube engine In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <958ABD1A57F04212B79C1EF1EDC7CA4E@PML> That's great Russell. It is always nice to hear of another fine piece of machinery returning to life. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- G'day All in engine land!! Got the old Campbell running yesturday (Sunday) after a pain staking and challenging 2 year resto! (or close to it) AAAHHHHH What a bloody great feeling hey. I had the pleasure of sharing this day with a few good mates and I could not let dad miss out either. He was still smiling about it today when he called into my work. Bigish projects like this take some help to complete and there are a number of people who I have had to thank along the way. I do have some pics to add to web shots over the next week time permitting. The engine is still not show ready yet but at least now I'm very confident that it will be with me at the next Ozzie National. Mostly plumbing jobs to be done now which dad is keen to help out with. Cheers, Russell From oldengines at bigpond.com Mon Dec 1 12:08:27 2008 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:08:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co References: Message-ID: <000b01c953f0$92ad09c0$1c02a8c0@ronliz> HI Peter We have the book you are looking for Ron & Liz Sullivan oldengin es at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co > MessageDoes anyone know of the history of the Gas Power Publishing Co., > Michigan and in particular a book by E.L. Osborne called "Plain gas engine > sense" ? > > Peter, Oz > > > > > > HI, > We have a book printed in 1906 called by Osborne published by gas power > publishing co, it is called Plain gas engine sense,with an advert for R & > V gasoline engines printed in it. Advertising "the horizontal hit and miss > engine" > Some topics covered in this book are mechanical power generation,power > stroke and heat losses,timing of valves and spark.Gas engine troubles,gas > power tractor machines.Relation of purchaser and manufacturer.A glance > ahead. > Do you know if this publishing company still exists. > We would be interested to hear from anyone regarding this book. > Many thanks > Kevin Gee > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 1 12:21:55 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC FAMOus References: <001c01c94984$4c114240$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <002201c953f2$75470730$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> To reiterate and rephrase the previous query , does anyone have a 8hp + IHC famous they are thinking of selling in the near future ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 13:32:30 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:32:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160812011332i508bbc84jdf708c9423060e8d@mail.gmail.com> On 01/12/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > MessageDoes anyone know of the history of the Gas Power Publishing Co., > Michigan and in particular a book by E.L. Osborne called "Plain gas engine > sense" ? > > Peter, Oz Four copies on the internet. Peter From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 14:32:50 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:32:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <468116.76328.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, Look here, http://www.gasenginemagazine.com/shopping/detail.aspx?ItemNumber=3930 Or here, http://tinyurl.com/574x3k Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Peter Lowe wrote: > From: Peter Lowe > Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:04 AM > MessageDoes anyone know of the history of the Gas Power > Publishing Co., Michigan and in particular a book by E.L. > Osborne called "Plain gas engine sense" ? > > Peter, Oz > > > > > > HI, > We have a book printed in 1906 called by Osborne > published by gas power publishing co, it is called Plain gas > engine sense,with an advert for R & V gasoline engines > printed in it. Advertising "the horizontal hit and miss > engine" > Some topics covered in this book are mechanical power > generation,power stroke and heat losses,timing of valves and > spark.Gas engine troubles,gas power tractor > machines.Relation of purchaser and manufacturer.A glance > ahead. > Do you know if this publishing company still exists. > We would be interested to hear from anyone regarding > this book. > Many thanks > Kevin Gee > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 14:36:55 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:36:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <7332F6CAC8C94403A6E9D01EAFEAA707@PML> Message-ID: <998666.8564.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Come see us over here in Michigan, U.S. of A. White is here, has been here a while and sure will be here for Christmas. 8>)) Have a nice safe vacation. Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > From: Patrick M Livingstone > Subject: [SEL] OT Merry Christmas > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:30 AM > I know it is a bit early but we would like to wish everyone > out there in > engine land a Merry Christmas and a great New Year. > I will be unsubscribing for only the second time since I > joined the original > list in 1999 (where does the time go?) but I will be back > next year. > We are off for our big overseas trip to the UK and other > places foreign at > the end of the week and I am hoping to have my first white > Christmas. > All the best, > Patrick & Ann > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From camaned at iinet.net.au Mon Dec 1 15:27:34 2008 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:27:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Campbell Hot tube engine In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081201185312.020ba308@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <66C6289449F141AAA174F4470EE82148@CamPC> Hi Russ, Great to hear you have her up and running Mate, looking forward to seeing her at the National. Cheers Cam. PS. bring a good lamp this time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Campbell Hot tube engine > G'day All in engine land!! > > Got the old Campbell running yesturday (Sunday) after a pain staking > and challenging 2 year resto! (or close to it) AAAHHHHH What a bloody > great feeling hey. I had the pleasure of sharing this day with a few > good mates and I could not let dad miss out either. He was still > smiling about it today when he called into my work. Bigish projects > like this take some help to complete and there are a number of people > who I have had to thank along the way. I do have some pics to add to > web shots over the next week time permitting. The engine is still not > show ready yet but at least now I'm very confident that it will be > with me at the next Ozzie National. Mostly plumbing jobs to be done > now which dad is keen to help out with. > > Cheers, Russell > > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From camaned at iinet.net.au Mon Dec 1 15:56:34 2008 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:56:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <7332F6CAC8C94403A6E9D01EAFEAA707@PML> References: <7332F6CAC8C94403A6E9D01EAFEAA707@PML> Message-ID: <8192FF5B1959469BAC5EC64A9B82E665@CamPC> Merry Xmas to you both, have the time of your lives and come back safe. Cheers Cam & Edwina PS, don't use the outside dunny while on the plane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Merry Christmas >I know it is a bit early but we would like to wish everyone out there in > engine land a Merry Christmas and a great New Year. > I will be unsubscribing for only the second time since I joined the > original > list in 1999 (where does the time go?) but I will be back next year. > We are off for our big overseas trip to the UK and other places foreign at > the end of the week and I am hoping to have my first white Christmas. > All the best, > Patrick & Ann > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 1 16:15:53 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:15:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gas Power Publishing Co In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812011332i508bbc84jdf708c9423060e8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160812011332i508bbc84jdf708c9423060e8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1228176953.49347e3942ff8@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Peter, I don't think Pete is looking to BUY a copy of this common book. I'll wager he has one already as he's referred to particular R&V pictures in there. What he's asking about is the history of the company that published the book and the history of the book itself. My guess is that there's some gem of R&V history there that he's trying to nail down for HIS R&V book. But I could be wrong... 8->> See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > > On 01/12/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > > Does anyone know of the history of the Gas Power Publishing Co., > > Michigan and in particular a book by E.L. Osborne called "Plain > > gas engine sense" ? > > > Four copies on the internet. > > Peter From ashpow at westnet.com.au Mon Dec 1 19:58:40 2008 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:58:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? Message-ID: Hey all Can anyone tell me where I can get an oiler for an IHC M 3hp? Cheers Ash From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Dec 1 20:16:48 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:16:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? References: Message-ID: Ash, An original is tough to come by. If you're not a purist, you can get a nice less expensive oiler that will work just as good. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ash Powell" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? > Hey all > > Can anyone tell me where I can get an oiler for an IHC M 3hp? > > Cheers > Ash > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Dec 1 20:19:07 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:19:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? Message-ID: <20081201.201908.420.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Lots of them on Ebay Ash. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:58:40 +1100 "Ash Powell" writes: > Hey all > > Can anyone tell me where I can get an oiler for an IHC M 3hp? > > Cheers > Ash > ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2USj1fYhEYMha9Yt7Yt9uz7HY1MD3ffRKvrByyy6Pk3Hoe5/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Dec 2 07:52:29 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:52:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1228233149.493559bdcd289@webmail.city-net.com> Tommy, What oiler would be the "correct" one for an IHC "M"? See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > An original is tough to come by. If you're not a purist, you can get a > nice less expensive oiler that will work just as good. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ash Powell" > > Can anyone tell me where I can get an oiler for an IHC M 3hp? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 10:48:27 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:48:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? In-Reply-To: <1228233149.493559bdcd289@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <190B79FC00564DCCA3ADD95E7D2F3579@tommyd0x52gkco> I think the early understrike M's had Lunk. Paragons on them. The later M's had the "no name" oiler, not sure who built it. It had a check and blow by tube. I have had a few of them and had one a couple of months ago for a 10 HP M I put on Harrys for $150. The first caller bought it and I probably received 20 calls in regards to the oiler. That's how I know they're hard to find and can cost some change. I don't know if I still have a photo of it or not but if so, I'll get it posted for you to look at. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:52 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Oiler - International M? Tommy, What oiler would be the "correct" one for an IHC "M"? See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > An original is tough to come by. If you're not a purist, you can get a > nice less expensive oiler that will work just as good. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ash Powell" > > Can anyone tell me where I can get an oiler for an IHC M 3hp? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Dec 2 11:44:51 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:44:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Oiler - International M? In-Reply-To: <190B79FC00564DCCA3ADD95E7D2F3579@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <20081202194450.C489A4448B3@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hy Tommy, I think the oilers were made by American Injector Co., Detroit U.S. A. The brass bodies were not signed but some had embossed glass. They have a distinctive sliding cast brass filler cover and hex nut, similar to Lunk. Paragons. Cya, Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:48 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Oiler - International M? I think the early understrike M's had Lunk. Paragons on them. The later M's had the "no name" oiler, not sure who built it. It had a check and blow by tube. I have had a few of them and had one a couple of months ago for a 10 HP M I put on Harrys for $150. The first caller bought it and I probably received 20 calls in regards to the oiler. That's how I know they're hard to find and can cost some change. I don't know if I still have a photo of it or not but if so, I'll get it posted for you to look at. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:52 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Oiler - International M? Tommy, What oiler would be the "correct" one for an IHC "M"? See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > An original is tough to come by. If you're not a purist, you can get a > nice less expensive oiler that will work just as good. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ash Powell" > > Can anyone tell me where I can get an oiler for an IHC M 3hp? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 12:08:46 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:08:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Message-ID: <493595CE.4090300@rustic-engines.com> After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose these two question to the group. Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even spel injunear. Harry's Old Engine #6 here: > http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam gear, count them here: > http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How many teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this gear revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not slowly get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut crankshaft gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for me. More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and push-rod that I need to get my engine running. BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of the crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. We would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? -- Cheers and TIA, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Dec 2 12:58:27 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:58:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Message-ID: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Al. The cam gear MUST have twice the number of teeth as the crank gear. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:08:46 +1100 Al Harris writes: > After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose > > these two question to the group. > > Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even > spel > injunear. > > Harry's Old Engine #6 here: > > http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm > > is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam > gear, > count them here: > > > http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg > > OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How > many > teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this > gear > revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not > slowly > get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? > > My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut > crankshaft > gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I > eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for > me. > > More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and > push-rod that I need to get my engine running. > > BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of > the > crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. > We > would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? > > -- > Cheers and TIA, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIr1S2lmXKW7AKhDUmtqeFS72pekUE4fx6SaWUja7EFBz/ From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 13:47:31 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:47:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> Ron, that is also my assumption, so how does it work with the cam gear from Harry's site that clearly shows *51* teeth on the gear? Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Al. > The cam gear MUST have twice the number of teeth as the crank gear. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:08:46 +1100 Al Harris > writes: > >> After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose >> >> these two question to the group. >> >> Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even >> spel >> injunear. >> >> Harry's Old Engine #6 here: >> >>> http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm >>> >> is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam >> gear, >> count them here: >> >> >>> http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg >>> >> OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How >> many >> teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this >> gear >> revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not >> slowly >> get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? >> >> My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut >> crankshaft >> gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I >> eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for >> me. >> >> More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and >> push-rod that I need to get my engine running. >> >> BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of >> the >> crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. >> We >> would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? >> >> -- >> Cheers and TIA, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIr1S2lmXKW7AKhDUmtqeFS72pekUE4fx6SaWUja7EFBz/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Dec 2 14:48:23 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:48:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Message-ID: <20081202.144823.864.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> Can't happen Al. You can't divided 51 evenly by two. At least not on this half of the hemisphere. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:47:31 +1100 Al Harris writes: > Ron, > > that is also my assumption, so how does it work with the cam gear > from > Harry's site that clearly shows *51* teeth on the gear? > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com ____________________________________________________________ Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals nationwide http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1fTGplscyumrnaNy7se1todzmoWThoMhThOi741teWuFtQJ/ From ilifa at internode.on.net Tue Dec 2 14:56:33 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:56:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> References: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: That picture of a 51 tooth timing gear is an April 1st joke. It just can not be real. That gear looks to have 51 teeth, I admit, but it has either been doctored or it isn't a timing gear. You can't defy the laws of physics. Eric From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Dec 2 15:20:11 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:20:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Message-ID: <20081202.152012.864.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> I counted twice and got 50 both times. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2bNH7rDyamHEBzMUGJdxOdD48v4PWV2ceSG4boxNAZ1OUhH/ From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Dec 2 15:24:56 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:24:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <493595CE.4090300@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 7:09 AM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose these two question to the group. Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even spel injunear. Harry's Old Engine #6 here: > http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam gear, count them here: > http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How many teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this gear revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not slowly get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut crankshaft gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for me. More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and push-rod that I need to get my engine running. BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of the crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. We would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? -- Cheers and TIA, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 9:51 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 15:33:01 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:33:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <4935C5AD.3090301@rustic-engines.com> Harry wouldn't do that, would he. :-\ Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Eric Schulz wrote: > That picture of a 51 tooth timing gear is an April 1st joke. It just > can not be real. That gear looks to have 51 teeth, I admit, but it has > either been doctored or it isn't a timing gear. You can't defy the > laws of physics. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 15:34:40 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:34:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <20081202.144823.864.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20081202.144823.864.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4935C610.3090105@rustic-engines.com> Harry can't count? I have counted the teeth 10 times, there are 51. :-\ Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Can't happen Al. You can't divided 51 evenly by two. At least not on > this half of the hemisphere. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > From ilifa at internode.on.net Tue Dec 2 15:38:04 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:38:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: After seeing that we were counting incorrectly, I enlarged the photo to make it easier to count. It has not been doctored, it is just the changing angles of the teeth around gear that confuses the eyes. There ARE only 50 teeth. The laws of physics are still safe! Eric From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 15:38:34 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:38:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <20081202.152012.864.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <2950A1DDCF96459A9DFA4EA1949A47A5@tommydk7hxjr4h> I counted 3 times Ron. Got 50 all 3 times. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > I counted twice and got 50 both times. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Dec 2 15:42:51 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:42:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <20081202.152012.864.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. Ron Canberra. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 10:20 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. I counted twice and got 50 both times. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2bNH7rDyamHEBzMUGJdxOdD48v 4PWV2ceSG4boxNAZ1OUhH/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 9:51 AM From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue Dec 2 15:46:35 2008 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:46:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <4935C8DB.3050908@accnorwalk.com> I think its one of those optical illusion eye tests! I can't get the same number twice in a row. It either has to be in the shadows across from the pin or the shadows by the gov brkt. Seems I get lost in those areas every time! Doug T Ron Page wrote: > Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. > > Ron > Canberra > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Dec 2 15:48:32 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:48:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: There is a two to one ratio between the crank and the cam so it has to be an even number. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 7:09 AM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose these two question to the group. Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even spel injunear. Harry's Old Engine #6 here: > http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam gear, count them here: > http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How many teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this gear revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not slowly get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut crankshaft gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for me. More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and push-rod that I need to get my engine running. BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of the crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. We would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? -- Cheers and TIA, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 9:51 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 15:56:47 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:56:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. > > Ron > Canberra. > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 16:03:10 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:03:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <4935CCBE.1060606@rustic-engines.com> Ron, You're right, your eyes need testing. There is an optical illusion around the 8 o'clock - 8.30 area where you can count one tooth twice. Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Ron Page wrote: > Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. > > Ron > Canberra > > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 16:17:15 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:17:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4935CCBE.1060606@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <27507D35DF00431EB26DFD36AE646957@tommydk7hxjr4h> I got home a bit ago and have been hitting the egg nog. I just counted 64 teeth. Is this thing growing? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Ron, > > You're right, your eyes need testing. There is an optical illusion > around the 8 o'clock - 8.30 area where you can count one tooth twice. > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Ron Page wrote: >> Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. >> >> Ron >> Canberra >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 2 16:26:04 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:26:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Go and stand in the naughty corner. That was 'Pun'ishable!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > >> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >> >> Ron >> Canberra. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 16:26:29 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:26:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com> Fellas, I've blown it up and numbered it. > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > >> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >> >> Ron >> Canberra. >> >> >> From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Dec 2 16:29:51 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:29:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <2950A1DDCF96459A9DFA4EA1949A47A5@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <001601c954de$41e417b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> So did I when I blew it up. Its an age thing. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 10:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. I counted 3 times Ron. Got 50 all 3 times. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > I counted twice and got 50 both times. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 9:51 AM From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Dec 2 16:31:01 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:31:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4935CCBE.1060606@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <001701c954de$6b9883c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> That explains it. Thanks Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 11:03 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Ron, You're right, your eyes need testing. There is an optical illusion around the 8 o'clock - 8.30 area where you can count one tooth twice. Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Ron Page wrote: > Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. > > Ron > Canberra > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 9:51 AM From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Dec 2 16:32:51 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:32:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <27507D35DF00431EB26DFD36AE646957@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <001d01c954de$acf26750$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> The egg nog will do it everytime. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 11:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. I got home a bit ago and have been hitting the egg nog. I just counted 64 teeth. Is this thing growing? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Ron, > > You're right, your eyes need testing. There is an optical illusion > around the 8 o'clock - 8.30 area where you can count one tooth twice. > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Ron Page wrote: >> Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. >> >> Ron >> Canberra >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 9:51 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 16:37:15 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:37:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <27507D35DF00431EB26DFD36AE646957@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4935CCBE.1060606@rustic-engines.com> <27507D35DF00431EB26DFD36AE646957@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4935D4BB.1000705@rustic-engines.com> It's probably spinning Tommy. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I got home a bit ago and have been hitting the egg nog. I just counted 64 > teeth. Is this thing growing? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >>> From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Tue Dec 2 16:31:55 2008 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:31:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <493595CE.4090300@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <006001c954de$8b6429c0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Al, There are 50. Enlarged 400% and counting anticlockwise from the pin 22 has a white dot, 33 a red dot and up to 50. The confusion seems to be in that 5 o'clock area where the angle changes. John Bega NSW Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose > these two question to the group. > > Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even spel > injunear. > > Harry's Old Engine #6 here: >> http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm > > is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam gear, > count them here: > >> http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg > > OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How many > teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this gear > revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not slowly > get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? > > My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut crankshaft > gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I > eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for me. > > More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and > push-rod that I need to get my engine running. > > BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of the > crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. We > would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? > > -- > Cheers and TIA, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 16:31:41 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:31:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4935D36D.1030700@rustic-engines.com> Fellas, I've blown it up and numbered it. > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg And I'll guarantee it's between 24 and 25 that the illusion happens. :-) Damn it's a beauty isn't it. And no, I have counted 24 teeth correctly on my diagonal crankshaft gear. Anybody know why there are only 24, is it because of the diagonal cutting process. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > >> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >> >> Ron >> Canberra. >> >> >> From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 16:50:20 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:50:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Number 30 on your blow up is #29 on my count. when you get to 15 start counting on the top of the teeth as it blurs if you try to count the edge. Tommy Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Fellas, > > I've blown it up and numbered it. > >> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> >>> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >>> >>> Ron >>> Canberra. >>> >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 16:58:40 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:58:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <001701c954de$6b9883c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <001701c954de$6b9883c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <4935D9C0.5000103@rustic-engines.com> No, it doesn't, I was wrong too. See later post. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Ron Page wrote: > That explains it. Thanks > > Ron > Canberra > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 11:03 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > Ron, > > You're right, your eyes need testing. There is an optical illusion > around the 8 o'clock - 8.30 area where you can count one tooth twice. > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Ron Page wrote: > >> Maybe my eyes need testing but I thought I counted 52 teeth. Oh well. >> >> Ron >> Canberra >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From bethell at internode.on.net Tue Dec 2 16:53:04 2008 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim&Geraldine Bethell) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:53:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4935C5AD.3090301@rustic-engines.com> References: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> <4935C5AD.3090301@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <2C04D52BCCDB46A2978BC6B1C594AD9D@bethelllaptop> Al, I can only count 50!! regards Jimbo Jim & Geraldine Bethell 12 Fush Place Mildura Victoria 3500 03-50213414 0427-213414 http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Harry wouldn't do that, would he. :-\ > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Eric Schulz wrote: >> That picture of a 51 tooth timing gear is an April 1st joke. It just >> can not be real. That gear looks to have 51 teeth, I admit, but it has >> either been doctored or it isn't a timing gear. You can't defy the >> laws of physics. >> >> Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 17:07:05 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:07:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <493595CE.4090300@rustic-engines.com> <006001c954de$8b6429c0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: <793563E090B142179BB72CA1B3F3FEC9@tommydk7hxjr4h> Yup. On Al's blow up the problem is between teeth #25 and 30. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Beryl Cooper" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Hi Al, > There are 50. Enlarged 400% and counting anticlockwise from the pin 22 > has > a white dot, 33 a red dot and up to 50. The confusion seems to be in that > 5 > o'clock area where the angle changes. > John > Bega NSW Oz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:08 AM > Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > >> >> After considerable amounts of thought have left me brain dead I pose >> these two question to the group. >> >> Humor me as I am not an injunear. Once upon a time I cou'nt even spel >> injunear. >> >> Harry's Old Engine #6 here: >>> http://www.old-engine.com/fairbnk2.htm >> >> is a 1922 model with straight cut gears with 51 teeth on the cam gear, >> count them here: >> >>> http://www.old-engine.com/image/engines/fairbanks/IMG_2421w.jpg >> >> OK, my first questions about Harry's engine and parts picture. How many >> teeth are on the crankshaft gear so that two revolutions of this gear >> revolve the cam gear exactly once, so that the timing does not slowly >> get out of sequence ? 25.5 ? >> >> My second question is: my 1923 model has a diagonally cut crankshaft >> gear with 24 teeth, how many teeth must be on my cam gear when I >> eventually find one. Has anybody got one and can count the teeth for me. >> >> More importantly, has anybody got the correct cam gear, cam and >> push-rod that I need to get my engine running. >> >> BTW my assumption is that it *can't* be 51 teeth, as two turns of the >> crankshaft would only turn the cam gear through 48 of its 51 teeth. We >> would end up with slowly retarding timing, right? >> >> -- >> Cheers and TIA, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 > 9:31 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 17:17:06 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:17:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com> <2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4935DE12.806@rustic-engines.com> You've seen my later post by now. I must try that egg nog stuff, it appears (sic) to have visionary improvement properties. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Number 30 on your blow up is #29 on my count. when you get to 15 start > counting on the top of the teeth as it blurs if you try to count the edge. > > Tommy Turner > > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 17:19:44 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:19:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <006001c954de$8b6429c0$0201010a@JBCooper> References: <493595CE.4090300@rustic-engines.com> <006001c954de$8b6429c0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: <4935DEB0.7050503@rustic-engines.com> There sure is John. You must remember, I was more confused by the fact that my crankshaft gear has 24 teeth on it. So I was trying to count 48 teeth on the straight cut gear in the picture. :-( Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com John & Beryl Cooper wrote: > Hi Al, > There are 50. Enlarged 400% and counting anticlockwise from the pin 22 has > a white dot, 33 a red dot and up to 50. The confusion seems to be in that 5 > o'clock area where the angle changes. > John > Bega NSW Oz > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 17:21:46 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:21:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4935D36D.1030700@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <93FA8EFE8F4B48CB928E3C0765F66FE7@tommydk7hxjr4h> Boy, you can tell the weather isn't letting a lot of us work on old iron..... if this thing would only look like a lot of the folks I see, we wouldn't have to worry about teeth! Here's another photo and on this one I've placed a white dot a each tooth. Just count the dots and you'll know the number of teeth! http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5275366552149864898 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Fellas, > > I've blown it up and numbered it. > >> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg > > And I'll guarantee it's between 24 and 25 that the illusion > happens. :-) Damn it's a beauty isn't it. > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 17:23:18 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:23:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <2C04D52BCCDB46A2978BC6B1C594AD9D@bethelllaptop> References: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> <4935C5AD.3090301@rustic-engines.com> <2C04D52BCCDB46A2978BC6B1C594AD9D@bethelllaptop> Message-ID: <4935DF86.9060605@rustic-engines.com> It's OK Jimbo, when you go up a grade it will improve. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Jim&Geraldine Bethell wrote: > Al, > I can only count 50!! > regards > Jimbo > Jim & Geraldine Bethell > 12 Fush Place > Mildura Victoria 3500 > 03-50213414 > 0427-213414 > http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > >> Harry wouldn't do that, would he. :-\ >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Eric Schulz wrote: >> >>> That picture of a 51 tooth timing gear is an April 1st joke. It just >>> can not be real. That gear looks to have 51 teeth, I admit, but it has >>> either been doctored or it isn't a timing gear. You can't defy the >>> laws of physics. >>> >>> Eric >>> > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 17:27:13 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:27:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> Well, maybe its a 2 to 1 ratio in reverse. The crank gear has 102 teeth and the engine is actually a 1/2 cycle? Just kidding folks before someone believes me. I remember posting once that I was going to unstick an engine by filling the cylinder full of popcorn, putting the head back on and then lighting a fire in the hopper. The popping corn would expand and "pop" the cylinder loose. I had a person seriously contact me and asked how it worked as they might try it...... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kirkes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > There is a two to one ratio between the crank and the cam so > it has to be an even number. > > Jim > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 2 17:36:20 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:36:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h><4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com> <2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Er, is this the onset of cabin fever? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Number 30 on your blow up is #29 on my count. when you get to 15 start > counting on the top of the teeth as it blurs if you try to count the edge. > > Tommy Turner > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > >> Fellas, >> >> I've blown it up and numbered it. >> >>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >>> Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> Canberra. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 > 9:31 AM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 20:16:44 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:16:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h><4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com> <2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4936082C.90802@rustic-engines.com> No. It's a ploy to get somebody to admit thet they have a gear that they need to sell so that I can get this confounded FMZ running. Are you that somebody? :-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com R & M Ingold wrote: > Er, is this the onset of cabin fever? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > >> Number 30 on your blow up is #29 on my count. when you get to 15 start >> counting on the top of the teeth as it blurs if you try to count the edge. >> >> Tommy Turner >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Harris" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >> >>> Fellas, >>> >>> I've blown it up and numbered it. >>> >>> >>>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg >>>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Al Harris >>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >>> >>>> Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >>>>> >>>>> Ron >>>>> Canberra. >>>>> >>>>> From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 2 20:40:39 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:40:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h><4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com><2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Based on this discussion thread Reg, I think Cabin Fever is like the Recession.... its hit fast and hit hard! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Er, is this the onset of cabin fever? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > >> Number 30 on your blow up is #29 on my count. when you get to 15 start >> counting on the top of the teeth as it blurs if you try to count the >> edge. >> >> Tommy Turner >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Harris" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >>> Fellas, >>> >>> I've blown it up and numbered it. >>> >>>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/blown.jpg >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Al Harris >>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >>>> Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Oh dear Oh dear. Both Rons have come up with different counts. >>>>> >>>>> Ron >>>>> Canberra. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: >> 12/2/2008 >> 9:31 AM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 2 21:03:44 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:03:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h><4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com><2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <49361330.3050909@rustic-engines.com> It's cleared my vision though, thanks fellas. ;-) The sad part is that a 48 tooth diagonally cut FMZ cam gear has not come into sight. :-( C'mon, make my Xmas, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Based on this discussion thread Reg, I think Cabin Fever is like the > Recession.... its hit fast and hit hard! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > >> Er, is this the onset of cabin fever? >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > From weolson at wiktel.com Tue Dec 2 21:17:31 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:17:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <001601c954de$41e417b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <2950A1DDCF96459A9DFA4EA1949A47A5@tommydk7hxjr4h> <001601c954de$41e417b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <173818399.20081202231731@wiktel.com> Hi Ron, Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:29:51 PM, you wrote: RP> So did I when I blew it up. Its an age thing. RP> Ron RP> Canberra RP> -----Original Message----- RP> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com RP> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy RP> Turner RP> Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 10:39 AM RP> To: The SEL email discussion list RP> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. RP> I counted 3 times Ron. Got 50 all 3 times. RP> Tommy Turner RP> Magnolia, KY RP> ----- Original Message ----- RP> From: RP> To: RP> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:20 PM RP> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> I counted twice and got 50 both times. >> Ron Haskell >> rdhaskell at juno.com >> Riverside, California USA >> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell RP> _______________________________________________ RP> SEL mailing list RP> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com RP> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel I also copied the picture, pasted it into a word doc, enlarged it as much as I could, then printed it out and carefully numbered the teeth on the print out several times and got 50 each time. Yes, it gets confusing around # 25 area. I thought I'd just add to the confusion. -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Roosevelt, MN Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 3 08:40:56 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:40:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <173818399.20081202231731@wiktel.com> Message-ID: I can't belive that all you guys got it wrong! The gear has 51 teeth and, naturally, it mates with a 25-1/2 tooth crankshaft gear. That makes the ratio almost exactly 2:1! Don't feel foolish, it happens all the time. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of William > Olson > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:18 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > Hi Ron, > > I also copied the picture, pasted it into a word > doc, enlarged it as much as I could, then printed > it out and carefully numbered the teeth on the > print out several times and got 50 each time. > Yes, it gets confusing around # 25 area. > I thought I'd just add to the confusion. > > > > -- > Thanks, William From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 3 08:12:29 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:12:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <1228320749.4936afed27a65@webmail.city-net.com> Judge? Whack youself on the pee-pee with your gavel for that one! See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 3 08:29:39 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:29:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Tommy, We have 2, 4, 6, and 8-cycle engines; why not a half-cycle engine? Works for me. In fact, I think if you write up the claims for fuel-efficiency, the Obama administration will probably give you a couple of million to develop it. See ya, Arnie PS - And after you spend the money, you can apply for additional research funds to work on the 3-cycle engine. Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Well, maybe its a 2 to 1 ratio in reverse. The crank gear has 102 teeth and > the engine is actually a 1/2 cycle? From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 3 08:30:48 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:30:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h><4935D235.6010200@rustic-engines.com> <2EBF1FE7176249368995632D2D7D9B3C@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <1228321848.4936b4381a3b9@webmail.city-net.com> Nah. No one has told anyone else to fuck off. 8-)) Quoting R & M Ingold : > Er, is this the onset of cabin fever? From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 3 09:34:00 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:34:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <1228320749.4936afed27a65@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000f01c954d7$b0e1ce20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <4104ADB4D88148399403FB59A97DDAC0@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228320749.4936afed27a65@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <7660E6C0-DC57-40EB-B475-DB6F5B76E618@alltel.net> Arnie, A judge can get in LOTS of trouble for that sort of thing--'specially if it's done under his robe while sitting on "the bench!" Dave PS, Tommy, if you are disposed to take Arnie's advice, do it VERY discretely! On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:12 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Judge? Whack youself on the pee-pee with your gavel for that one! > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > >> Oh boy, sounds like we're beginning to get the "Ron around". > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Dec 3 09:29:16 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:29:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Tommy, you could put a couple teaspoons of butter in with the popcorn to help the piston slide out once it is popped loose. Then you could sit back and have a snack while admiring your handy work. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com> > > Just kidding folks before someone believes me. I remember posting once that > I was going to unstick an engine by filling the cylinder full of popcorn, > putting the head back on and then lighting a fire in the hopper. The > popping corn would expand and "pop" the cylinder loose. I had a person > seriously contact me and asked how it worked as they might try it......> > Tommy Turner> Magnolia, KY> _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From weolson at wiktel.com Wed Dec 3 10:03:40 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:03:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com> Arnie, Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 10:29:39 AM, you wrote: > Hey Tommy, > We have 2, 4, 6, and 8-cycle engines; why not a half-cycle engine? > Works for me. In fact, I think if you write up the claims for fuel-efficiency, > the Obama administration will probably give you a couple of million to develop > it. > See ya, Arnie > PS - And after you spend the money, you can apply for additional research funds > to work on the 3-cycle engine. > Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : >> Well, maybe its a 2 to 1 ratio in reverse. The crank gear has 102 teeth and >> the engine is actually a 1/2 cycle? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Maybe we already have 1 cycle engines, i.e. STOPPED, in that case perhaps 1/2 cycle could be "I wish it wasn't stopped". -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Roosevelt, MN Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 3 11:22:10 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:22:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: I've got the application in hand! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Hey Tommy, > > We have 2, 4, 6, and 8-cycle engines; why not a half-cycle engine? > > Works for me. In fact, I think if you write up the claims for > fuel-efficiency, > the Obama administration will probably give you a couple of million to > develop > it. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - And after you spend the money, you can apply for additional research > funds > to work on the 3-cycle engine. > > Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > >> Well, maybe its a 2 to 1 ratio in reverse. The crank gear has 102 teeth >> and >> the engine is actually a 1/2 cycle? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 3 11:23:09 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:23:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: That's the great thing about this list Luke.... good ideas can be shared with all!! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > Tommy, you could put a couple teaspoons of butter in with the popcorn to > help the piston slide out once it is popped loose. Then you could sit back > and have a snack while admiring your handy work. > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA ======================> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com> > > Just kidding > folks before someone believes me. I remember posting once that > I was > going to unstick an engine by filling the cylinder full of popcorn, > > putting the head back on and then lighting a fire in the hopper. The > > popping corn would expand and "pop" the cylinder loose. I had a person > > seriously contact me and asked how it worked as they might try it......> > > Tommy Turner> Magnolia, KY> > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 9:31 AM From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 3 11:42:38 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:42:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> Or if the stopped motor was a Maytag, the comment could be... "I'm glad it's NOT running." 8-)) Quoting William Olson : > Maybe we already have 1 cycle engines, i.e. STOPPED, in that case perhaps > 1/2 cycle could be "I wish it wasn't stopped". From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 3 11:49:56 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:49:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <20081202.125828.864.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> <4935ACF3.9030004@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <1228333796.4936e2e417482@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Eric, I'm sorry, but your comment below about the laws of physics is quite wrong. You need to visit my shop sometime. I'm currently working on a rectabular excrusion bracket that attaches to the trichotometric support on that 1/2-cycle engine that Tommy and I are developing. You can see a pic here... http://www.robhillman.com/instructions-from-hell.gif Sure, it's gonna be DAMNED expensive to machine, but fortunatly Tommy managed to negotiate a cost plus 300% contract with the Obama Administration. It's GOOD to be da judge!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Eric Schulz : > You can't defy the laws of physics. From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Wed Dec 3 12:28:46 2008 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:28:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com> <1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> Some of you may remember the Lutz opposed piston engine from Portland or Coolspring. In his patent on the valve arrangement he claims that the engine can operate on a 1,2, or4 cycle principle. He was granted the patent. I figured out how the valve can operate as a 2 cycle but have yet to figure out what a 1 cycle is. Maybe this explains it! Is it still operating when stopped?? Doug T > Quoting William Olson : > > >> Maybe we already have 1 cycle engines, i.e. STOPPED, in that case perhaps >> 1/2 cycle could be "I wish it wasn't stopped" From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 3 14:07:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:07:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: Lenoir, perhaps? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Doug > Tallman > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 02:29 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > Some of you may remember the Lutz opposed piston > engine from Portland or > Coolspring. In his patent on the valve > arrangement he claims that the > engine can operate on a 1,2, or4 cycle principle. > He was granted the > patent. I figured out how the valve can operate > as a 2 cycle but have > yet to figure out what a 1 cycle is. Maybe this > explains it! Is it still > operating when stopped?? Doug T From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 3 13:49:17 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:49:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <6F33D192-D8D6-44E3-B528-FE93C412E477@alltel.net> >> USA ======================> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com> > > Just kidding >> folks before someone believes me. I remember posting once that > I >> was >> going to unstick an engine by filling the cylinder full of popcorn, > >> putting the head back on and then lighting a fire in the hopper. >> The > >> popping corn would expand and "pop" the cylinder loose. I had a >> person > >> seriously contact me and asked how it worked as they might try >> it......> > >> Tommy Turner> Magnolia, KY> Hi Tommy, What was this DEMOCRATS name? Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 3 13:41:40 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:41:40 EST Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/2008 8:47:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: Er, is this the onset of cabin fever? I sure am glad I took the beagles out today and let them run rabbits, or I might be having a slight temperature too or even more cross eyed from counting teeth!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From George_Best at adp.com Wed Dec 3 13:54:12 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:54:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Would a Mazda rotary engine be considered a 1 cycle engine? After all the piston( rotor) only goes in one direction. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug Tallman Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:29 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. Some of you may remember the Lutz opposed piston engine from Portland or Coolspring. In his patent on the valve arrangement he claims that the engine can operate on a 1,2, or4 cycle principle. He was granted the patent. I figured out how the valve can operate as a 2 cycle but have yet to figure out what a 1 cycle is. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 3 15:00:19 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:00:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> George, Please don't egg them on. The gist of this thread has been totally lost/stolen/misappropriated/bent and forgotten. It was about the gear I need to complete my FMZ. Now c'mon fellas, blokes, guys, girls, sheilas and dolls, who in this extended family of time wasters has an old 48 tooth diagonally cut gear, cam and push-rod laying around in their FMZ stockpile. I need it. I need other stuff too, but this should get it motoring. There must be one out there somewhere. Actually I'm a bit cheesed off, because there are two within 20km of me but the owners would rather let the engines rust away or parts get lost through non-interest, than sell them to me. And no George, the rotor (piston) is changing direction constantly. :-P Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Best, George wrote: > Would a Mazda rotary engine be considered a 1 cycle engine? > > After all the piston( rotor) only goes in one direction. > > George > > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 3 15:27:58 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:27:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <004101c9559e$c7b52120$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> As far as my imagination can hope to fathom , a firearm is the only thing that fits that description . I figured out how the valve can operate as a 2 cycle but have > yet to figure out what a 1 cycle is. Maybe this explains it! Is it still > operating when stopped?? Doug T From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 3 15:37:49 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:37:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <1228347469.4937184d104b7@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Al, Have you contacted Hit & Miss? Given the fact that the FMZ is a fairly common engine on this side of the pond, I'd wager that they would have what you need in their "used parts" inventory. See ya, Arnie Quoting Al Harris : > Now c'mon fellas, blokes, guys, girls, sheilas and dolls, who in this > extended family of time wasters has an old 48 tooth diagonally cut gear, > cam and push-rod laying around in their FMZ stockpile. I need it. I need > other stuff too, but this should get it motoring. There must be one out > there somewhere. > > Actually I'm a bit cheesed off, because there are two within 20km of me > but the owners would rather let the engines rust away or parts get lost > through non-interest, than sell them to me. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 3 16:21:49 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:21:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h><1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com><1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com><4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> <1228347469.4937184d104b7@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure I've got a slant cut gear in a box at the barn. I'm pretty sure its a cam gear but I have no idea what its for. I'll dig it out tomorrow and if its what you need Al, Santa will bring you something to stuff in your stocking. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > G'day Al, > > Have you contacted Hit & Miss? Given the fact that the FMZ is a fairly > common > engine on this side of the pond, I'd wager that they would have what you > need > in their "used parts" inventory. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Al Harris : > >> Now c'mon fellas, blokes, guys, girls, sheilas and dolls, who in this >> extended family of time wasters has an old 48 tooth diagonally cut gear, >> cam and push-rod laying around in their FMZ stockpile. I need it. I need >> other stuff too, but this should get it motoring. There must be one out >> there somewhere. >> >> Actually I'm a bit cheesed off, because there are two within 20km of me >> but the owners would rather let the engines rust away or parts get lost >> through non-interest, than sell them to me. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 9:34 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 3 17:24:35 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:24:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h><1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com><1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com><4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> <1228347469.4937184d104b7@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <49373153.5050402@rustic-engines.com> The egg nog and fruit cake will be hanging on the fire place .... errr ... I mean, the air conditioner. Jumpin' Jupiter Judge, I just looked at your weather forcast. You be careful goin' to the barn, you hear. Thursday Mostly cloudy. A 30 percent chance of rain or light snow until midday. Hi: 3 ?C 36 ?F Lo: -4 ?C 25 ?F It's nearing 30?C here ATM. Now what's that in F again ... that's right 86?F. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I'm pretty sure I've got a slant cut gear in a box at the barn. I'm pretty > sure its a cam gear but I have no idea what its for. I'll dig it out > tomorrow and if its what you need Al, Santa will bring you something to > stuff in your stocking. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Wed Dec 3 17:59:57 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:59:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears Message-ID: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dammit 6 years of lurking ends just like that...I can't even remember how to post! Al Harris, I went down to my shed and counted the helical teeth remains on my ZAA gears for yer. All 3 are rooted but countable - 48 timing, 24 pinion, 11 governor. Now to fix my Z, I'd have to find 3 helical gears pretty well inmpossible so will be replacing with straight cut gears because my FMZ S/N is right near the change back to straight cut gears (1925). It's a rotary mag and therefor all I'd have to find/make is a 12 tooth governor gear which is 1.2" + 100 thou diameter for 12 teeth 10pitch. 25-50 tooth 10 pitch gears are pretty common for 1-1/2 HP engines, machining work needed though. 25-50-12 in straight cut keeps the correct centre distances. By the way - could we be related? Graham Harris, Melb, Oz From: Al Harris Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. You must remember, I was more confused by the fact that my crankshaft gear has 24 teeth on it. So I was trying to count 48 teeth on the straight cut gear in the picture. :-( Cheers, Al It's cleared my vision though, thanks fellas. ;-) The sad part is that a 48 tooth diagonally cut FMZ cam gear has not come into sight. :-( Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 3 19:06:37 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:06:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears In-Reply-To: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com> Firstly, I have no relatives that I know of in "mexico". Secondly, a 25-50-12 setup is going to put your timing out isn't it, by 2 teeth per revolution. Don't you need a 25 tooth maggy gear running off the 50 tooth cam gear. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Graham Harris wrote: > Dammit 6 years of lurking ends just like that...I can't even remember how to post! > > Al Harris, I went down to my shed and counted the helical teeth remains on my ZAA gears for yer. All 3 are rooted but countable - 48 timing, 24 pinion, 11 governor. > > Now to fix my Z, I'd have to find 3 helical gears pretty well inmpossible so will be replacing with straight cut gears because my FMZ S/N is right near the change back to straight cut gears (1925). It's a rotary mag and therefor all I'd have to find/make is a 12 tooth governor gear which is 1.2" + 100 thou diameter for 12 teeth 10pitch. 25-50 tooth 10 pitch gears are pretty common for 1-1/2 HP engines, machining work needed though. 25-50-12 in straight cut keeps the correct centre distances. > > By the way - could we be related? > > Graham Harris, Melb, Oz > > > From: Al Harris > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > You must remember, I was more confused by the fact that my crankshaft > gear has 24 teeth on it. So I was trying to count 48 teeth on the > straight cut gear in the picture. :-( > > Cheers, > > Al > > It's cleared my vision though, thanks fellas. ;-) > > The sad part is that a 48 tooth diagonally cut FMZ cam gear has not come > into sight. :-( > > > > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 3 19:45:38 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:45:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h><1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com><1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com><4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> <1228347469.4937184d104b7@webmail.city-net.com> <49373153.5050402@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <14B1DC2A973444708BB3FED2B6F552E1@tommydk7hxjr4h> Yeah, you guys have it warm down there now. I had never thought about you having to hang the stockings by the AC. One good thing about it, Santa won't burn his butt coming down the chimney. I'll give that thing a look tomorrow afternoon and let you know what I find. I have no idea what its for and if its for a little Z, its yours. If its not, maybe someone can ID it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > The egg nog and fruit cake will be hanging on the fire place .... errr > ... I mean, the air conditioner. > > Jumpin' Jupiter Judge, > > I just looked at your weather forcast. You be careful goin' to the barn, > you hear. > > > > > Thursday > > Mostly cloudy. A 30 percent chance of rain or light snow until midday. > > Hi: 3 ?C 36 ?F > Lo: -4 ?C 25 ?F > > > > It's nearing 30?C here ATM. Now what's that in F again ... that's right > 86?F. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> I'm pretty sure I've got a slant cut gear in a box at the barn. I'm >> pretty >> sure its a cam gear but I have no idea what its for. I'll dig it out >> tomorrow and if its what you need Al, Santa will bring you something to >> stuff in your stocking. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 9:34 AM From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Dec 3 19:46:40 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:46:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> Hay Al read his post again,the 12 teeth is the governor gear. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears > Firstly, I have no relatives that I know of in "mexico". > > Secondly, a 25-50-12 setup is going to put your timing out isn't it, by > 2 teeth per revolution. > > Don't you need a 25 tooth maggy gear running off the 50 tooth cam gear. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Graham Harris wrote: >> Dammit 6 years of lurking ends just like that...I can't even remember how >> to post! >> >> Al Harris, I went down to my shed and counted the helical teeth remains >> on my ZAA gears for yer. All 3 are rooted but countable - 48 timing, 24 >> pinion, 11 governor. >> >> Now to fix my Z, I'd have to find 3 helical gears pretty well inmpossible >> so will be replacing with straight cut gears because my FMZ S/N is right >> near the change back to straight cut gears (1925). It's a rotary mag and >> therefor all I'd have to find/make is a 12 tooth governor gear which is >> 1.2" + 100 thou diameter for 12 teeth 10pitch. 25-50 tooth 10 pitch gears >> are pretty common for 1-1/2 HP engines, machining work needed though. >> 25-50-12 in straight cut keeps the correct centre distances. >> >> By the way - could we be related? >> >> Graham Harris, Melb, Oz >> >> >> From: Al Harris >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> You must remember, I was more confused by the fact that my crankshaft >> gear has 24 teeth on it. So I was trying to count 48 teeth on the >> straight cut gear in the picture. :-( >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al >> >> It's cleared my vision though, thanks fellas. ;-) >> >> The sad part is that a 48 tooth diagonally cut FMZ cam gear has not come >> into sight. :-( >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 3 20:07:58 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:07:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <14B1DC2A973444708BB3FED2B6F552E1@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h><1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com><1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com><4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> <1228347469.4937184d104b7@webmail.city-net.com> <49373153.5050402@rustic-engines.com> <14B1DC2A973444708BB3FED2B6F552E1@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4937579E.4080009@rustic-engines.com> Thank you Tommy. Your effort is appreciated and if it is for the Z and it has other little bits hanging off it, all the better. :-) BTW did I post pics of the current progress ... doesn't matter ... here they are. > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/fmz021208/ Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Yeah, you guys have it warm down there now. I had never thought about you > having to hang the stockings by the AC. One good thing about it, Santa > won't burn his butt coming down the chimney. I'll give that thing a look > tomorrow afternoon and let you know what I find. I have no idea what its > for and if its for a little Z, its yours. If its not, maybe someone can ID > it. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 3 20:09:29 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:09:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear - serious reply In-Reply-To: <49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: On Dec 3, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Al Harris wrote: > Please don't egg them on. The gist of this thread has been totally > lost/stolen/misappropriated/bent and forgotten. It was about the > gear I > need to complete my FMZ. Hi, Al. Hopefully the extended exchange will help you in your quest for the proper gear for your engine. The following will not solve your dilemma, but will throw some light on a subject where some have played fast and loose with the words "never," "always," and "must." Check out a picture (link below) of Greg Procopchuk's Jacobson engine. It's a traditional four cycle engine, with 720 degrees of crankshaft rotation between firing. You can't see much detail in the photo, and on that day I was shooting film, so a better picture is not readily available. The CAM GEAR is the big one nearest Greg. It's also the pump jack gear. Although you can't see the gear on the crankshaft, you can tell it's considerably smaller. I forget what the ratio is, but I seem to think it's four-to-one. As you've probably already figured out, the cam as a few extra lobes. Link: http://engines.rustyiron.com/tulare04 Click on the fourteenth menu item from the top. Good luck finding your gear. Rob From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 3 20:24:52 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:24:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears In-Reply-To: <7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com> <7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> Message-ID: <49375B94.2050608@rustic-engines.com> Right Edd, thanks. I was confused by the term pinion (automatically thought the pinion was the gov offshoot). I'm confused by a few terminologies actually. Spindle, pinion, with thread, with shaft ...arggggg. I'll get my head around it soon, I hope. I was about to check FM maggy status with Graham, as I have an FM-J with diag cut teeth, but there's 22 of them. That wouldn't work on a 48 or 50 tooth cam gear. Now I'm wondering what FM engine it fits. :-( Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Edd Payne wrote: > Hay Al read his post again,the 12 teeth is the governor gear. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:06 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears > > > >> Firstly, I have no relatives that I know of in "mexico". >> >> Secondly, a 25-50-12 setup is going to put your timing out isn't it, by >> 2 teeth per revolution. >> >> Don't you need a 25 tooth maggy gear running off the 50 tooth cam gear. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Graham Harris wrote: >> >>> Dammit 6 years of lurking ends just like that...I can't even remember how >>> to post! >>> >>> Al Harris, I went down to my shed and counted the helical teeth remains >>> on my ZAA gears for yer. All 3 are rooted but countable - 48 timing, 24 >>> pinion, 11 governor. >>> >>> Now to fix my Z, I'd have to find 3 helical gears pretty well inmpossible >>> so will be replacing with straight cut gears because my FMZ S/N is right >>> near the change back to straight cut gears (1925). It's a rotary mag and >>> therefor all I'd have to find/make is a 12 tooth governor gear which is >>> 1.2" + 100 thou diameter for 12 teeth 10pitch. 25-50 tooth 10 pitch gears >>> are pretty common for 1-1/2 HP engines, machining work needed though. >>> 25-50-12 in straight cut keeps the correct centre distances. >>> >>> By the way - could we be related? >>> >>> Graham Harris, Melb, Oz >>> >>> >>> From: Al Harris >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >>> >>> You must remember, I was more confused by the fact that my crankshaft >>> gear has 24 teeth on it. So I was trying to count 48 teeth on the >>> straight cut gear in the picture. :-( >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Al >>> >>> It's cleared my vision though, thanks fellas. ;-) >>> >>> The sad part is that a 48 tooth diagonally cut FMZ cam gear has not come >>> into sight. :-( >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 3 20:44:43 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:44:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear - serious reply In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c954d5$2fe89a30$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <18CB074BF61B44F8B2528D49C49CD999@tommydk7hxjr4h> <1228321779.4936b3f34b64f@webmail.city-net.com> <1352962800.20081203120340@wiktel.com><1228333358.4936e12ea5804@webmail.city-net.com> <4936EBFE.6090806@accnorwalk.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590925CEAA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <49370F83.5090703@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <4937603B.5040101@rustic-engines.com> G'day Rob, Seems someone figured out a way to kill two birds with one gear. ;-) The Judge is running cover for me ATM and I have a local offer to machine me up one if it gets to the stage where I have to embrace ""never," "always," and "must."". I really would like original though. BTW PSP7 blew that image up to 180% without to much outline blurring. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Rob Skinner wrote: > On Dec 3, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Al Harris wrote: > >> Please don't egg them on. The gist of this thread has been totally >> lost/stolen/misappropriated/bent and forgotten. It was about the >> gear I >> need to complete my FMZ. >> > > > Hi, Al. > Hopefully the extended exchange will help you in your quest for the > proper gear for your engine. > > The following will not solve your dilemma, but will throw some light > on a subject where some have played fast and loose with the words > "never," "always," and "must." > > Check out a picture (link below) of Greg Procopchuk's Jacobson > engine. It's a traditional four cycle engine, with 720 degrees of > crankshaft rotation between firing. You can't see much detail in the > photo, and on that day I was shooting film, so a better picture is not > readily available. > > The CAM GEAR is the big one nearest Greg. It's also the pump jack > gear. Although you can't see the gear on the crankshaft, you can tell > it's considerably smaller. I forget what the ratio is, but I seem to > think it's four-to-one. > > As you've probably already figured out, the cam as a few extra lobes. > > Link: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/tulare04 > Click on the fourteenth menu item from the top. > > Good luck finding your gear. > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 4 00:10:03 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:10:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com><7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> <49375B94.2050608@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <8F72BB5454F54CBE846F8A1AAE31766A@Edd> Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The other mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears > Right Edd, thanks. I was confused by the term pinion (automatically > thought the pinion was the gov offshoot). I'm confused by a few > terminologies actually. Spindle, pinion, with thread, with shaft > ...arggggg. I'll get my head around it soon, I hope. > > I was about to check FM maggy status with Graham, as I have an FM-J with > diag cut teeth, but there's 22 of them. That wouldn't work on a 48 or 50 > tooth cam gear. Now I'm wondering what FM engine it fits. :-( > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Edd Payne wrote: >> Hay Al read his post again,the 12 teeth is the governor gear. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Harris" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ >> gears >> >> >> >>> Firstly, I have no relatives that I know of in "mexico". >>> >>> Secondly, a 25-50-12 setup is going to put your timing out isn't it, by >>> 2 teeth per revolution. >>> >>> Don't you need a 25 tooth maggy gear running off the 50 tooth cam gear. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Al Harris >>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Graham Harris wrote: >>> >>>> Dammit 6 years of lurking ends just like that...I can't even remember >>>> how >>>> to post! >>>> >>>> Al Harris, I went down to my shed and counted the helical teeth remains >>>> on my ZAA gears for yer. All 3 are rooted but countable - 48 timing, 24 >>>> pinion, 11 governor. >>>> >>>> Now to fix my Z, I'd have to find 3 helical gears pretty well >>>> inmpossible >>>> so will be replacing with straight cut gears because my FMZ S/N is >>>> right >>>> near the change back to straight cut gears (1925). It's a rotary mag >>>> and >>>> therefor all I'd have to find/make is a 12 tooth governor gear which is >>>> 1.2" + 100 thou diameter for 12 teeth 10pitch. 25-50 tooth 10 pitch >>>> gears >>>> are pretty common for 1-1/2 HP engines, machining work needed though. >>>> 25-50-12 in straight cut keeps the correct centre distances. >>>> >>>> By the way - could we be related? >>>> >>>> Graham Harris, Melb, Oz >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Al Harris >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >>>> >>>> You must remember, I was more confused by the fact that my crankshaft >>>> gear has 24 teeth on it. So I was trying to count 48 teeth on the >>>> straight cut gear in the picture. :-( >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Al >>>> >>>> It's cleared my vision though, thanks fellas. ;-) >>>> >>>> The sad part is that a 48 tooth diagonally cut FMZ cam gear has not >>>> come >>>> into sight. :-( >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 4 00:57:56 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:57:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears In-Reply-To: <8F72BB5454F54CBE846F8A1AAE31766A@Edd> References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com><7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> <49375B94.2050608@rustic-engines.com> <8F72BB5454F54CBE846F8A1AAE31766A@Edd> Message-ID: <49379B94.8040708@rustic-engines.com> Yep, I have the AB33 Oscillating magneto already configured and mounted on the plate, waiting for a bump on a cam gear to hit it. :-( See, here we go with terminologies again. I take it "trip" is a short way of saying "oscillating" magneto because of the use of a "trip arm", and not to be confused with a "flick" magneto like the FM-J. I have a magneto for a FM-J for a Wisconsin if anybody is interested, because I can't see me getting one any time soon.. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Edd Payne wrote: > Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with > helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The other > mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 4 01:39:20 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:39:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com><7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> <49375B94.2050608@rustic-engines.com><8F72BB5454F54CBE846F8A1AAE31766A@Edd> <49379B94.8040708@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <2EDF6C50280547329BAB5C798B6BE4DF@Edd> Al.Trip, flick,oscillating are all the same,depends how you feel on the day and who you are talking to.The F/M J is an impulse mag. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears > Yep, I have the AB33 Oscillating magneto already configured and mounted > on the plate, waiting for a bump on a cam gear to hit it. :-( > > See, here we go with terminologies again. I take it "trip" is a short > way of saying "oscillating" magneto because of the use of a "trip arm", > and not to be confused with a "flick" magneto like the FM-J. > > I have a magneto for a FM-J for a Wisconsin if anybody is interested, > because I can't see me getting one any time soon.. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Edd Payne wrote: >> Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with >> helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The >> other >> mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 4 02:24:45 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:24:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears In-Reply-To: <2EDF6C50280547329BAB5C798B6BE4DF@Edd> References: <843372.80727.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4937493D.2050505@rustic-engines.com><7DB0EDAB81504E398167F8050874E8CF@Edd> <49375B94.2050608@rustic-engines.com><8F72BB5454F54CBE846F8A1AAE31766A@Edd> <49379B94.8040708@rustic-engines.com> <2EDF6C50280547329BAB5C798B6BE4DF@Edd> Message-ID: <4937AFED.9040708@rustic-engines.com> My recollection is that when the pawl is triggered in the FM-J the spring tension "flicks", providing the impetus for the spark. Maybe I took "flick" to literally. I will use "impulse" in future. :-) Unless I feel a different impulse on the day. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Edd Payne wrote: > Al.Trip, flick,oscillating are all the same,depends how you feel on the day > and who you are talking to.The F/M J is an impulse mag. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ gears > > > >> Yep, I have the AB33 Oscillating magneto already configured and mounted >> on the plate, waiting for a bump on a cam gear to hit it. :-( >> >> See, here we go with terminologies again. I take it "trip" is a short >> way of saying "oscillating" magneto because of the use of a "trip arm", >> and not to be confused with a "flick" magneto like the FM-J. >> >> I have a magneto for a FM-J for a Wisconsin if anybody is interested, >> because I can't see me getting one any time soon.. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Edd Payne wrote: >> >>> Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with >>> helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The >>> other >>> mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 4 08:22:51 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:22:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4937579E.4080009@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Al: I see that your Z is one of the very rare "Clean Air" experimental versions with the plug in the exhaust. I think it failed because, as with most all "Clean Air" engines, it failed to make enough power to be useful. I didn't know that you Aussies had Smoke Police down there. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:08 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > Thank you Tommy. Your effort is appreciated and > if it is for the Z and > it has other little bits hanging off it, all the > better. :-) > > BTW did I post pics of the current progress ... > doesn't matter ... here > they are. > > > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/fmz021208/ > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 4 08:30:05 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:30:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: Message-ID: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > > I see that your Z is one of the very rare "Clean Air" experimental > versions with the plug in the exhaust. I think it failed because, as with most all "Clean Air" engines, it failed to make enough power to be useful.>>>> Those had the correct fuel air mixture installed at the factory , and once it has completed the aforementioned " 1 STROKE " it must be returned to the factory to have another fuel/air "cycle" reisntalled . I knew there was something other than a firearm that fit that description . This isnt a one stroke , but more correctly a "one cycle" . Not to be confused with the monowheel or monocycle . http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Agusta%20monowheel.jpg Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 4 10:52:09 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:52:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493826D9.4060501@rustic-engines.com> Not even close Elden. :-P psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Elden DuRand wrote: > Al: > > I see that your Z is one of the very rare "Clean Air" experimental versions with the plug in the exhaust. I think it failed because, as with most all "Clean Air" engines, it failed to make enough power to be useful. > > I didn't know that you Aussies had Smoke Police down there. > > Take care - Elden > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Al Harris >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:08 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >> Thank you Tommy. Your effort is appreciated and >> if it is for the Z and >> it has other little bits hanging off it, all the >> better. :-) >> >> BTW did I post pics of the current progress ... >> doesn't matter ... here >> they are. >> >> >>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/fmz021208/ >>> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 4 10:56:29 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:56:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> Pssst, Chuck, I got this other bridge in Sydeney if you're interested. I'm selling the London one to Elden. ;-) Don't you blokes know how to stop wasps from building mud huts for their offspring inside orifices? :-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Chuck Balyeat wrote: >> I see that your Z is one of the very rare "Clean Air" experimental >> versions >> > with the plug in the exhaust. I think it failed because, as with most all > "Clean Air" engines, it failed to make enough power to be useful.>>>> > > > Those had the correct fuel air mixture installed at the factory , > and once it has completed the aforementioned " 1 STROKE " > it must be returned to the factory to have another fuel/air "cycle" > reisntalled . I knew there was something other than a firearm that > fit that description . This isnt a one stroke , but more correctly a "one > cycle" . > Not to be confused with the monowheel or monocycle . > http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Agusta%20monowheel.jpg > > > > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 4 18:13:21 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:13:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <493826D9.4060501@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: If you'll deliver it free to the Redneck Riviera, we can dicker the price (as long as it's not over fifty bucks!). Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > Not even close Elden. :-P > > psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 4 19:27:58 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:27:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49389FBE.3060502@rustic-engines.com> My business savvy tells me I gotta be a mite careful here. Is that $US or $AU ???? Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Elden DuRand wrote: > If you'll deliver it free to the Redneck Riviera, we can dicker the price (as long as it's not over fifty bucks!). > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Al Harris >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >> Not even close Elden. :-P >> >> psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> > > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Dec 4 21:23:13 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:23:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ Message-ID: <34303.75850.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Edd and Al Nuh. Well maybe not...My ZAA fairbanks has the gear bracket that does not have the extra height build-up to seat the AB33 type. It therefore must be for a R-rotary. My bracket was potmetal now re-cast in iron using the glued-up original as a pattern. Still have to machine it, hence the shift to straight gears. So not all helical cut FMZ's only had the trip/osc magnetos. My Z BTW is on a lighting plant base. Originally the ignition would have been a buzz box on the hopper run from the "house batteries". I'm putting an R-type on because 1. it fits the bracket 2. I won't have "house batteries" connected, just the Z, cooled by the hopper (not radiator) and a magneto. Al - Mexico? Well I don't drink the Tequila down here, but the Vic Beer sure is better than the crap that comes from NSW :-) we call our glasses proper names too). PS Not just any helical gear will fit the FMZ gears. Go get a helical gear out of a car gearbox etc. It wont' mesh straight - I've tried that too. Graham Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The other mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 4 22:36:32 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:36:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ References: <34303.75850.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <267000C294B54E7492280329B3F986D5@Edd> Hi Graham.Going by all the literature I have when F/M went to the R mag they changed back to straight teeth.I have and have had many F/M engines and this is how it has been with all of them.This info comes from experience and what is written in 100 years of F/M and power from the past vol 3.But never say never.I have a 6HP tank cooled F/M and it has a flat gov bkt but it is still fitted with an AB33 and it is bolted down by the base bolt holes not held with the typical clamp across the top. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ > Edd and Al > > Nuh. Well maybe not...My ZAA fairbanks has the gear bracket that does not > have the extra height build-up to seat the AB33 type. It therefore must be > for a R-rotary. My bracket was potmetal now re-cast in iron using the > glued-up original as a pattern. Still have to machine it, hence the shift > to straight gears. So not all helical cut FMZ's only had the trip/osc > magnetos. My Z BTW is on a lighting plant base. Originally the ignition > would have been a buzz box on the hopper run from the "house batteries". > I'm putting an R-type on because 1. it fits the bracket 2. I won't have > "house batteries" connected, just the Z, cooled by the hopper (not > radiator) and a magneto. > > > Al - Mexico? Well I don't drink the Tequila down here, but the Vic Beer > sure is better than the crap that comes from NSW :-) we call our glasses > proper names too). > > PS Not just any helical gear will fit the FMZ gears. Go get a helical gear > out of a car gearbox etc. It wont' mesh straight - I've tried that too. > > Graham > > > > > > Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with > helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The other > mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > > > > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 4 23:30:29 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:30:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ In-Reply-To: <267000C294B54E7492280329B3F986D5@Edd> References: <34303.75850.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <267000C294B54E7492280329B3F986D5@Edd> Message-ID: <4938D895.7010402@rustic-engines.com> G'day fellas, My AB33 is bolted by its base to the bracket exactly as you describe Edd, as it has horseshoe magnets that aren't part of the body of the magneto. And hey, I don't have the literature or knowledge that you blokes do so I'll be in sponge mode. Not that I'll probably absorb a lot but I'll have a hardcopy. ;-) Thanks for the input. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Edd Payne wrote: > Hi Graham.Going by all the literature I have when F/M went to the R mag they > changed back to straight teeth.I have and have had many F/M engines and this > is how it has been with all of them.This info comes from experience and what > is written in 100 years of F/M and power from the past vol 3.But never say > never.I have a 6HP tank cooled F/M and it has a flat gov bkt but it is still > fitted with an AB33 and it is bolted down by the base bolt holes not held > with the typical clamp across the top. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Harris" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:23 PM > Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ > > > >> Edd and Al >> >> Nuh. Well maybe not...My ZAA fairbanks has the gear bracket that does not >> have the extra height build-up to seat the AB33 type. It therefore must be >> for a R-rotary. My bracket was potmetal now re-cast in iron using the >> glued-up original as a pattern. Still have to machine it, hence the shift >> to straight gears. So not all helical cut FMZ's only had the trip/osc >> magnetos. My Z BTW is on a lighting plant base. Originally the ignition >> would have been a buzz box on the hopper run from the "house batteries". >> I'm putting an R-type on because 1. it fits the bracket 2. I won't have >> "house batteries" connected, just the Z, cooled by the hopper (not >> radiator) and a magneto. >> >> >> Al - Mexico? Well I don't drink the Tequila down here, but the Vic Beer >> sure is better than the crap that comes from NSW :-) we call our glasses >> proper names too). >> >> PS Not just any helical gear will fit the FMZ gears. Go get a helical gear >> out of a car gearbox etc. It wont' mesh straight - I've tried that too. >> >> Graham >> >> >> >> >> >> Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M with >> helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The other >> mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 4 23:45:50 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:45:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ References: <34303.75850.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com><267000C294B54E7492280329B3F986D5@Edd> <4938D895.7010402@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Al.If your AB33 has horseshoe magnets it has been altered at some time.I have had many people tell me you cant remagnetise the originals and have changed them, including mag blokes, which is rubbish I have just done a AB33 for a customer that had no magnets at all so I cut up a Lucas magnet and fitted the two flat pieces to either side and it works fine EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ > G'day fellas, > > My AB33 is bolted by its base to the bracket exactly as you describe > Edd, as it has horseshoe magnets that aren't part of the body of the > magneto. > > And hey, I don't have the literature or knowledge that you blokes do so > I'll be in sponge mode. > > Not that I'll probably absorb a lot but I'll have a hardcopy. ;-) Thanks > for the input. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Edd Payne wrote: >> Hi Graham.Going by all the literature I have when F/M went to the R mag >> they >> changed back to straight teeth.I have and have had many F/M engines and >> this >> is how it has been with all of them.This info comes from experience and >> what >> is written in 100 years of F/M and power from the past vol 3.But never >> say >> never.I have a 6HP tank cooled F/M and it has a flat gov bkt but it is >> still >> fitted with an AB33 and it is bolted down by the base bolt holes not held >> with the typical clamp across the top. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graham Harris" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:23 PM >> Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ >> >> >> >>> Edd and Al >>> >>> Nuh. Well maybe not...My ZAA fairbanks has the gear bracket that does >>> not >>> have the extra height build-up to seat the AB33 type. It therefore must >>> be >>> for a R-rotary. My bracket was potmetal now re-cast in iron using the >>> glued-up original as a pattern. Still have to machine it, hence the >>> shift >>> to straight gears. So not all helical cut FMZ's only had the trip/osc >>> magnetos. My Z BTW is on a lighting plant base. Originally the ignition >>> would have been a buzz box on the hopper run from the "house batteries". >>> I'm putting an R-type on because 1. it fits the bracket 2. I won't have >>> "house batteries" connected, just the Z, cooled by the hopper (not >>> radiator) and a magneto. >>> >>> >>> Al - Mexico? Well I don't drink the Tequila down here, but the Vic Beer >>> sure is better than the crap that comes from NSW :-) we call our glasses >>> proper names too). >>> >>> PS Not just any helical gear will fit the FMZ gears. Go get a helical >>> gear >>> out of a car gearbox etc. It wont' mesh straight - I've tried that too. >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M >>> with >>> helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The >>> other >>> mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 5 01:13:15 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:13:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ In-Reply-To: References: <34303.75850.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com><267000C294B54E7492280329B3F986D5@Edd> <4938D895.7010402@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <4938F0AB.3030608@rustic-engines.com> Edd, I'll keep that in mind for a future project, after I get the engine up and running. Did you have to remagnetise the two plates after the cut or did the metal retain its magnetic property? Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Edd Payne wrote: > Al.If your AB33 has horseshoe magnets it has been altered at some time.I > have had many people tell me you cant remagnetise the originals and have > changed them, including mag blokes, which is rubbish I have just done a AB33 > for a customer that had no magnets at all so I cut up a Lucas magnet and > fitted the two flat pieces to either side and it works fine > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ > > > >> G'day fellas, >> >> My AB33 is bolted by its base to the bracket exactly as you describe >> Edd, as it has horseshoe magnets that aren't part of the body of the >> magneto. >> >> And hey, I don't have the literature or knowledge that you blokes do so >> I'll be in sponge mode. >> >> Not that I'll probably absorb a lot but I'll have a hardcopy. ;-) Thanks >> for the input. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Edd Payne wrote: >> >>> Hi Graham.Going by all the literature I have when F/M went to the R mag >>> they >>> changed back to straight teeth.I have and have had many F/M engines and >>> this >>> is how it has been with all of them.This info comes from experience and >>> what >>> is written in 100 years of F/M and power from the past vol 3.But never >>> say >>> never.I have a 6HP tank cooled F/M and it has a flat gov bkt but it is >>> still >>> fitted with an AB33 and it is bolted down by the base bolt holes not held >>> with the typical clamp across the top. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Graham Harris" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:23 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] ArrrGGhhh! I'm back after 6 years lurking - re: FMZ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Edd and Al >>>> >>>> Nuh. Well maybe not...My ZAA fairbanks has the gear bracket that does >>>> not >>>> have the extra height build-up to seat the AB33 type. It therefore must >>>> be >>>> for a R-rotary. My bracket was potmetal now re-cast in iron using the >>>> glued-up original as a pattern. Still have to machine it, hence the >>>> shift >>>> to straight gears. So not all helical cut FMZ's only had the trip/osc >>>> magnetos. My Z BTW is on a lighting plant base. Originally the ignition >>>> would have been a buzz box on the hopper run from the "house batteries". >>>> I'm putting an R-type on because 1. it fits the bracket 2. I won't have >>>> "house batteries" connected, just the Z, cooled by the hopper (not >>>> radiator) and a magneto. >>>> >>>> >>>> Al - Mexico? Well I don't drink the Tequila down here, but the Vic Beer >>>> sure is better than the crap that comes from NSW :-) we call our glasses >>>> proper names too). >>>> >>>> PS Not just any helical gear will fit the FMZ gears. Go get a helical >>>> gear >>>> out of a car gearbox etc. It wont' mesh straight - I've tried that too. >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Al.You need a AB33 or AB34 American Bosh.They were fitted to all F/M >>>> with >>>> helical gears( and many with straight gears) They are a trip mag.The >>>> other >>>> mag you mention is probably of a Wisconsin. >>>> EDD PAYNE >>>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>>> Australia >>>> 2852 >>>> Phone:0263742387 >>>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>>> edsengns >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 5 07:50:33 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:50:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <49389FBE.3060502@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Negotiable - whatever's in my favor. Remember, we misbegotten Colonists are poor, downtrodden and whiny. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 09:28 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > My business savvy tells me I gotta be a mite careful here. > > Is that $US or $AU ???? > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > If you'll deliver it free to the Redneck > Riviera, we can dicker the price (as long as it's > not over fifty bucks!). > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >> Behalf Of Al Harris > >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > >> > >> > >> Not even close Elden. :-P > >> > >> psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Al Harris > >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 5 10:40:20 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:40:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49397594.9040306@rustic-engines.com> We could negotiate until "Lend Lease" becomes an option, yeah. :-) At least you don't have "penalist descendant" in your resume. :-( Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Elden DuRand wrote: > Negotiable - whatever's in my favor. Remember, we misbegotten Colonists are poor, downtrodden and whiny. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Al Harris >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 09:28 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >> My business savvy tells me I gotta be a mite careful here. >> >> Is that $US or $AU ???? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Elden DuRand wrote: >> >>> If you'll deliver it free to the Redneck >>> >> Riviera, we can dicker the price (as long as it's >> not over fifty bucks!). >> >>> Take care - Elden >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>> Behalf Of Al Harris >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> Not even close Elden. :-P >>>> >>>> psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 5 16:48:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:48:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <49397594.9040306@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Well, from what I've been told, one of my descendents came over in the brig of the Mayflower. Does that count? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:40 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > We could negotiate until "Lend Lease" becomes an > option, yeah. :-) > > At least you don't have "penalist descendant" in > your resume. :-( > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > Negotiable - whatever's in my favor. Remember, > we misbegotten Colonists are poor, downtrodden and whiny. > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >> Behalf Of Al Harris > >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 09:28 PM > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > >> > >> > >> My business savvy tells me I gotta be a mite > careful here. > >> > >> Is that $US or $AU ???? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Al Harris > >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > >> > >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com > >> > >> > >> > >> Elden DuRand wrote: > >> > >>> If you'll deliver it free to the Redneck > >>> > >> Riviera, we can dicker the price (as long as it's > >> not over fifty bucks!). > >> > >>> Take care - Elden > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >>>> Behalf Of Al Harris > >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM > >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list > >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Not even close Elden. :-P > >>>> > >>>> psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Al Harris > >>>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > >>>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 5 16:35:09 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:35:09 -0000 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. References: Message-ID: <001201c9573a$7fbef330$3a290556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > Well, from what I've been told, one of my descendents came over in the brig of the Mayflower. Does that count? > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Hi Elden, where did you get the time machine from? It might have been more believable if one of your ancestors had come over. 8^)) Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 5 17:01:06 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:01:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4939CED2.3020805@rustic-engines.com> Only if your descendant walked with a pronounced limp. :-) And are you sure they didn't mean "in the brig the Mayflower". Wonder what happened to "da judge". Hope he didn't get lost in a blizzard between his cabin and his barn. :-( Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Elden DuRand wrote: > Well, from what I've been told, one of my descendents came over in the brig of the Mayflower. Does that count? > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Al Harris >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:40 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >> We could negotiate until "Lend Lease" becomes an >> option, yeah. :-) >> >> At least you don't have "penalist descendant" in >> your resume. :-( >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Elden DuRand wrote: >> >>> Negotiable - whatever's in my favor. Remember, >>> >> we misbegotten Colonists are poor, downtrodden and whiny. >> >>> Take care - Elden >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>> Behalf Of Al Harris >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 09:28 PM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> My business savvy tells me I gotta be a mite >>>> >> careful here. >> >>>> Is that $US or $AU ???? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Al Harris >>>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>>> >>>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Elden DuRand wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> If you'll deliver it free to the Redneck >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Riviera, we can dicker the price (as long as it's >>>> not over fifty bucks!). >>>> >>>> >>>>> Take care - Elden >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>>>> Behalf Of Al Harris >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM >>>>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not even close Elden. :-P >>>>>> >>>>>> psst ... hey Yankee, you wanna buy a bridge? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Al Harris >>>>>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 5 17:05:27 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:05:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <001201c9573a$7fbef330$3a290556@intrepid> References: <001201c9573a$7fbef330$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <4939CFD7.6020103@rustic-engines.com> Crikey, I missed that Dave. I didn't believe him anyway. The closest name I could find for one of Eldons ancestors was Doty ... oh well .... Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Dave Croft wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:48 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > >> Well, from what I've been told, one of my descendents came over in the brig of the Mayflower. Does that count? >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> > > Hi Elden, where did you get the time machine from? > It might have been more believable if one of your ancestors had come over. 8^)) > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 5 17:55:30 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:55:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U Message-ID: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com> One of the tasks with which I've been involved is writing for our club's newsletter. It's a monthly gig, and to provide variety, I sometimes churn out a brief article on whatever is holding my interest at that particular time. Today I was going over some of the work from the past year or so, and it occurred to me that several of the articles might be of interest to you folks. Just go to the web page at www.rustyiron.com and look at the right column, just below the top, for "Articles." Rob From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 5 19:20:17 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:20:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <001201c9573a$7fbef330$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: Oops, Dave! Shoulda said "one of my kinfolk from way back". Ain't got no dang Wayback Machine. Mea culpa. Sorry. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave Croft > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 06:35 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:48 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > > Well, from what I've been told, one of my > descendents came over in the brig of the > Mayflower. Does that count? > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Hi Elden, where did you get the time machine from? > It might have been more believable if one of your > ancestors had come over. 8^)) > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 5 19:22:01 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:22:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4939CFD7.6020103@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Al: Doty's the one. Done got writ up in Pilgrim's Progress. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 07:05 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > Crikey, I missed that Dave. I didn't believe him > anyway. The closest > name I could find for one of Eldons ancestors was > Doty ... oh well .... > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz From imatowie at bigpond.com Fri Dec 5 19:03:23 2008 From: imatowie at bigpond.com (Laurie) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:03:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp References: <574580C5CDE14DDEA771E17A31B812E1@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <58819D0DC0C3471E8F4E97967FC9B94B@maryeaa332b57f> Hi Ash, Head gaskets were available from - Automotive Surplus 34 Thornton Cres, Mitcham, VIC. Ph 03 98733566 Fax 03 98741485 They might still have some, I haven't bought any there for nearly 10 years. I've got a reproduction owners manual for the Moffat that's got your name on it, send me your address and I'll post it out to you. Regards, Laurie in Melbourne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ash Powell" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:20 PM Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp > Hey all, > > Well I picked up my first project today, Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp. > It looks to be in reasonable nick and is complete. > Hope you don't mind me flooding you with questions already.. ;p) > > There's a bit of rust in the water jacket but it should tidy up, im a fan > of phosphoric acid for eating rust - can anyone see an issue with using > this to eat the rust out of the inside? > > Its seized, ive got it filled with penetrant. > Can you offer any tips on freeing it up without damaging it? > > The head has been taken off and the gasket is missing - how do you source > these? > Make them? > > Also its missing a head stud, I think I can get one machined pretty > easily. > > Any advice appreciated! > Here's a pic for you - > http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/engines/moffat.jpg > > Cheers, > Ash > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 5 19:21:54 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:21:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4939EFD2.9070506@rustic-engines.com> So, Eldin, Eldon, Elden, Eldom ... is it Doty, Doity, Douty, Doety ... English wasn't English in there them days. :-) He got writ up a bit in courts too, usually as defendant. :-O Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Elden DuRand wrote: > Al: > > Doty's the one. Done got writ up in Pilgrim's Progress. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Al Harris >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 07:05 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. >> >> >> Crikey, I missed that Dave. I didn't believe him >> anyway. The closest >> name I could find for one of Eldons ancestors was >> Doty ... oh well .... >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 5 20:48:42 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:48:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <4939EFD2.9070506@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Al: It's Elden. AND, as far as I know, his name was Doty and he had a penchant for imbibing a wee bit of rum and pinching those Puritan ladies. Apparently, the elders took a dim view of that. .........He's supposed to be a very distant relative on my Mom's side via her Dad, who was a Dodd. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 09:22 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > So, Eldin, Eldon, Elden, Eldom ... is it Doty, > Doity, Douty, Doety ... > English wasn't English in there them days. :-) > > He got writ up a bit in courts too, usually as > defendant. :-O > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > Al: > > > > Doty's the one. Done got writ up in Pilgrim's Progress. > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >> Behalf Of Al Harris > >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 07:05 PM > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > >> > >> > >> Crikey, I missed that Dave. I didn't believe him > >> anyway. The closest > >> name I could find for one of Eldons ancestors was > >> Doty ... oh well .... > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Al Harris > >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Fri Dec 5 20:21:12 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:21:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Z Message-ID: <613691.38650.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gday Edd and Al - agree with all that. For the record my ZAA S/N is 595003 and I recall seeing on the serial number list that it is almost right on that changeover. That was what got me thinking and kinda lucky there, putting straight gears on an earlier serial number would have not been 'correct'. The gears are from a Bamford vertical. Due to a closed crankcase they're in good order so putting aside the finer points of gears, being from the same engine they should mesh good. Next to make a 12 tooth for the governor. Graham Hi Graham.Going by all the literature I have when F/M went to the R mag they changed back to straight teeth.I have and have had many F/M engines and this is how it has been with all of them.This info comes from experience and what is written in 100 years of F/M and power from the past vol 3.But never say never.I have a 6HP tank cooled F/M and it has a flat gov bkt but it is still fitted with an AB33 and it is bolted down by the base bolt holes not held with the typical clamp across the top. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Fri Dec 5 20:34:32 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:34:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz Message-ID: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All McMaster-Carr appears to have a good online range of gears to suit american engines and reasonable on price. When I emailed them a while ago they said won't ship/sell to Australia?? Has anyone had the same experience or managed to do business with them from Oz? Thanks Graham Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Dec 5 21:15:44 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:15:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz References: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76D3FF7846F74E048855FB0C79068B2C@reg6db4351094b> Due to being lucky enough to have engine friends in the USA. I have a friend buy and ship what I need under the circumstances you are facing. I then repay his out of pocket cost. This is about the only way. Ya throw yourself on the mercy of the list members. One will surely help you. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > Hi All > > McMaster-Carr appears to have a good online range of gears to suit > american engines and reasonable on price. When I emailed them a while ago > they said won't ship/sell to Australia?? Has anyone had the same > experience or managed to do business with them from Oz? > > > Thanks > > Graham > > > > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 5 23:25:31 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:25:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493A28EB.5020901@rustic-engines.com> LOL It seems it's easier to *drive* an Elden than it is to *drive an 'Olden. My research shows him as a servant, then a freeman, then a duelist (over a 15 year old child), then a trespasser (multiple times) ... I wouldn't include him as kin of mine. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Elden DuRand wrote: > Al: > > It's Elden. > > AND, as far as I know, his name was Doty and he had a penchant for imbibing a wee bit of rum and pinching those Puritan ladies. Apparently, the elders took a dim view of that. .........He's supposed to be a very distant relative on my Mom's side via her Dad, who was a Dodd. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 5 23:45:28 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:45:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz References: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9DB792AF36974FF8B4DB78F94EE891E9@PETER> Yes Reg, they told me that too, they must have had some bad dealings in the past, and also the bank transfer charges !!!. Pete, Oz > Hi All > > McMaster-Carr appears to have a good online range of gears to suit > american engines and reasonable on price. When I emailed them a while ago > they said won't ship/sell to Australia?? Has anyone had the same > experience or managed to do business with them from Oz? > > > Thanks > > Graham > > > > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat Dec 6 00:09:25 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:09:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone( A years Work) Message-ID: <000b01c95779$f5b2b9c0$6b74eedc@fred> BlankHi All, Its taken a year to assemble and restore the 3Hp Vertical Blackstone. The only part we were still missing was the Carburettor (Inspirator), the pattern was finished today. casting and machining will finally complete the project and we can return the temp carby to its own eng. It was an interesting project to arrange the manufacture of the pattern ,locate the right type of sand and chemicals to make the cores but worth the time and effort to see the eng.back as it should be. Photos of pattern on webshots, url. below. David Watts. (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Dec 6 07:15:27 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:15:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. In-Reply-To: <493A28EB.5020901@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Al: That sounds about right. AND it doesn't bother me a bit. If you look back far enough, you will find miscreants in every family. There was also a horse thief on Mom's side and an escapee from the guillotine who married a Canadian indian on Dad's side. Big deal. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 01:26 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FMZ Gear and Timing questions. > > > LOL It seems it's easier to *drive* an Elden than > it is to *drive an 'Olden. > > My research shows him as a servant, then a > freeman, then a duelist (over > a 15 year old child), then a trespasser (multiple > times) ... I wouldn't > include him as kin of mine. :-) > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Elden DuRand wrote: > > Al: > > > > It's Elden. > > > > AND, as far as I know, his name was Doty and he > had a penchant for imbibing a wee bit of rum and > pinching those Puritan ladies. Apparently, the > elders took a dim view of that. .........He's > supposed to be a very distant relative on my > Mom's side via her Dad, who was a Dodd. > > > > Take care - Elden From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 6 08:32:50 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:32:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone( A years Work) In-Reply-To: <000b01c95779$f5b2b9c0$6b74eedc@fred> References: <000b01c95779$f5b2b9c0$6b74eedc@fred> Message-ID: <5CE4D654-96BB-48D7-9077-E2CEE767A7C1@rustyiron.com> On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:09 AM, Brian Watts wrote: > Hi All, > Its taken a year to assemble and restore the 3Hp Vertical Blackstone. > The only part we were still missing was the Carburettor > (Inspirator), the pattern was finished today. casting and machining > will finally complete the project and we can return the temp carby > to its own eng. > It was an interesting project to arrange the manufacture of the > pattern ,locate the right type of sand and chemicals to make the > cores but worth the time and effort to see the eng.back as it should > be. > Photos of pattern on webshots, url. below. > David Watts Hi, David. The Blackstone is coming along nicely, and those are some gorgeous looking patterns. Will you guys be pouring the iron, as well? Rob From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sun Dec 7 03:26:28 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:26:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] McMaster Carr enquiry Message-ID: <868749.87461.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And so they have Reg...via an off-list reply. Graham, Oz >Ya throw yourself on the mercy of the list members. One will surely help >you. >Reg & Marg Ingold. Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Dec 7 15:45:16 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:45:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U References: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> Good website and interesting articles Rob! It appears you and Kelly have been doing this for quite some time based on the hair and fashions!!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "Oldengine.org Engine" ; "Stationary-Engine ATIS" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U > One of the tasks with which I've been involved is writing for our > club's newsletter. It's a monthly gig, and to provide variety, I > sometimes churn out a brief article on whatever is holding my interest > at that particular time. > > Today I was going over some of the work from the past year or so, and > it occurred to me that several of the articles might be of interest to > you folks. > > Just go to the web page at www.rustyiron.com and look at the right > column, just below the top, for "Articles." > > Rob > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Dec 7 19:32:44 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:32:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U In-Reply-To: <005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com> <005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Mike Royster wrote: > It appears you and Kelly have > been doing this for quite some time based on the hair and > fashions!!!!! HEY NOW, Mike! All those pictures were taken within the last six months. Is this some kind of subtle commentary on our senses of style? Not all the pictures are of Rusty Metal. There are some Grunge Metal and Death Metal. What are you doin' home today, anyway? Are oil prices too low, so you decided to take a day off and cause a regional oil shortage? Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Dec 7 19:52:54 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:52:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U In-Reply-To: References: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com> <005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <5FADAFEB-1452-4718-89CE-281FD49935AC@rustyiron.com> On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > HEY NOW, Mike! All those pictures were taken within the last six > months. Is this some kind of subtle commentary on our senses of > style? > > Not all the pictures are of Rusty Metal. There are some Grunge Metal > and Death Metal. > > What are you doin' home today, anyway? Are oil prices too low, so you > decided to take a day off and cause a regional oil shortage? > > Rob > Sorry, Mike. SEL strips out all the important links from emails. Here is Grunge Metal for you: http://www.rustyiron.com/goobers.jpg And Death Metal for you: http://www.rustyiron.com/goobers.sabbath.jpg From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Dec 7 20:50:48 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:50:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U References: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com><005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> <5FADAFEB-1452-4718-89CE-281FD49935AC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <001e01c958f0$89e48520$66674b47@mikecomp> ROTFLOL!!!!!!!! Now thoseare the perfect Christmas cards! I think I have some of Steve from the same era.. Hey, I deserve to be home, we have $1.45 gas again. I am a bloody hero!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U > > On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >> HEY NOW, Mike! All those pictures were taken within the last six >> months. Is this some kind of subtle commentary on our senses of >> style? >> >> Not all the pictures are of Rusty Metal. There are some Grunge Metal >> and Death Metal. >> >> What are you doin' home today, anyway? Are oil prices too low, so you >> decided to take a day off and cause a regional oil shortage? >> >> Rob >> > > Sorry, Mike. > SEL strips out all the important links from emails. > Here is Grunge Metal for you: http://www.rustyiron.com/goobers.jpg > And Death Metal for you: http://www.rustyiron.com/goobers.sabbath.jpg > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Dec 8 02:36:18 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:36:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Crossley / Cooper Dip Posters Message-ID: <05E139FCE57C48CA9DDE1F967C8C19B9@KerryPC> Earlier this year someone posted a great English site with posters of Crossley engines and other farm related equipment. I seem to have lost the link. Can anyone please help in supplying the link. Thanks Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Dec 8 02:57:57 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:57:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Crossley / Cooper Dip Posters In-Reply-To: <05E139FCE57C48CA9DDE1F967C8C19B9@KerryPC> References: <05E139FCE57C48CA9DDE1F967C8C19B9@KerryPC> Message-ID: Thanks all. finally found it, as usual after an hour of searching sent the request for help and then found it. http://www.rhc.rdg.ac.uk/olib/images/nof/ Kerry From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 8 09:13:27 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:13:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U References: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com><005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> <5FADAFEB-1452-4718-89CE-281FD49935AC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <010801c95958$49f7cae0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > And Death Metal for you: http://www.rustyiron.com/goobers.sabbath.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Awwww , they share the same domain now !! From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 8 09:43:32 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:43:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> After never having an engine larger than 10hp, I've suddenly made two separate deals for big engines. Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, then this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From gastzt at aol.com Mon Dec 8 09:54:08 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:54:08 EST Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! Message-ID: Oh wow---would love to see a pic of the 18hp Stover---I have some Stovers---biggest is 8hp---NICE! Thanks so much Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx USA **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 8 10:13:45 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:13:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: On Dec 8, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Best, George wrote: > After never having an engine larger than 10hp, I've suddenly made two > separate deals for big engines. > > Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, > then > this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg > > George Right on, George. That's a beautiful engine. Stover pic? Rob P.S. The foreground and background engines look interesting, too. From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Dec 8 10:26:15 2008 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:26:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, Is that the one in AZ that was on Harry's and the guy is horrible about responding? Tom Winland Ohio> From: rskinner at rustyiron.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:13:45 -0800> Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month!> > > On Dec 8, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Best, George wrote:> > > After never having an engine larger than 10hp, I've suddenly made two> > separate deals for big engines.> >> > Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, > > then> > this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft.> >> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg> >> > George> > > Right on, George. That's a beautiful engine. Stover pic?> > Rob> > P.S.> The foreground and background engines look interesting, too.> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 8 10:28:18 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:28:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F3024@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Don't have any Stover pictures handy from work. I can load a few on server this evening and post a link to them. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:14 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! Right on, George. That's a beautiful engine. Stover pic? Rob P.S. The foreground and background engines look interesting, too. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 8 11:00:27 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:00:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F3153@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Tom, Yes, the engine is in Arizona. I haven't seen any of the engines I bought from him on Harry's. I think the problem you have is that the person that listed the engines on Harry's is NOT the seller. I don't know who Dave Bowers is, but he's listing engines that belong to Jim Chamberlain. Email me off list and I can give you the email address for Jim's secretary. She's the keeper of the list of engines that have been sold and which are still available. The ones currently listed on Harry's are still available as far as I know. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:26 AM To: SEL list Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! George, Is that the one in AZ that was on Harry's and the guy is horrible about responding? Tom Winland Ohio This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Dec 8 11:02:47 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:02:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, Did you do the deal we chatted about on the big Stover? Looks like you're getting into some HEAVY iron! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! After never having an engine larger than 10hp, I've suddenly made two separate deals for big engines. Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, then this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 9:38 AM From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 8 12:32:16 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:32:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: NICE additions george! Dave On Dec 8, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Best, George wrote: > After never having an engine larger than 10hp, I've suddenly made two > separate deals for big engines. > > Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, > then > this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg > > George From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 8 12:24:29 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:24:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F33E8@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Yep. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:03 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! George, Did you do the deal we chatted about on the big Stover? Looks like you're getting into some HEAVY iron! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Dec 8 15:49:07 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:49:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0FF3CA1E73444F2BB151BC7BC9048FB0@KerryPC> Well done George, great looking engine Kerry PS. do you still have to loose weight to be allowed to buy new engines :-)) Kerry From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 8 16:39:46 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:39:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New phot archive opened up Message-ID: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> A couple of clips from an archive I ran across http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-R78266%2C_AEG_Hennigsdorf%2C_Montagehalle.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-E12034%2C_Bei_Bromberg%2C_Stra%C3%9Fenbau.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-V00670A%2C_Berlin%2C_Auto_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-V00670%2C_Berlin%2C_Pkw_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H26751%2C_Hamburg%2C_Glockenlager_im_Freihafen.jpg The main index of the Bundesarchiv http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_the_German_Federal_Archive_by_year From george at irontrader.com Mon Dec 8 17:32:59 2008 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:32:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c9599e$12355640$36a002c0$@com> Here's a couple pictures of the 18hp Stover http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Stover18hp1.jpg http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Stover18hp2.jpg George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of gastzt at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:54 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! Oh wow---would love to see a pic of the 18hp Stover---I have some Stovers---biggest is 8hp---NICE! Thanks so much Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx USA **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From george at irontrader.com Mon Dec 8 17:38:54 2008 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:38:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <0FF3CA1E73444F2BB151BC7BC9048FB0@KerryPC> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <0FF3CA1E73444F2BB151BC7BC9048FB0@KerryPC> Message-ID: <000101c9599e$e63ef400$b2bcdc00$@com> I need to lose weight, but no bargain was made to buy new engines. This comes under, it is easier to get forgiveness than permission ;-) -----Original Message----- PS. do you still have to loose weight to be allowed to buy new engines :-)) Kerry _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 8 17:51:15 2008 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <227253.67770.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, Replying a bit late, been away from the computer. While McMaster does have a lot of stuff, you generally pay more from them than you might have to from another source. It is very likely that the gears you need are originally from Boston Gear. I buy Boston Gear products for work through Motion Industries, a nation wide industrial supplier. Motion also has a branch in Australia http://www.motionind.com.au/ and I went to Boston Gear's website and they have distributors listed in Smithfield and Castle Hill NSW. I buy a lot from Motion, and they give me good pricing. I recently bough new drive chain for my Titan tractor and it was half the price from Motion that McMaster listed it for. Another Boston Gear product that is great is their Boston Bronze line of bushings and bushing stock. I can buy a bushing from them that is nearly to size, od a few thou over and id a bit under, and finish it to size on a mandrel for much less than I could buy the cored stock to make one from scratch. A handy resource for us engine guys. Later, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Graham Harris wrote: > From: Graham Harris > Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:34 PM > Hi All > > McMaster-Carr appears to have a good online range of gears > to suit american engines and reasonable on price. When I > emailed them a while ago they said won't ship/sell to > Australia?? Has anyone had the same experience or managed to > do business with them from Oz? > > > Thanks > > Graham > > > > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. > Enter now > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Dec 8 19:20:21 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:20:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! References: <000001c9599e$12355640$36a002c0$@com> Message-ID: George, Thats a nice big hunk of iron. It looks better than I thought it would. Are those the original trucks? Another plus! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! > Here's a couple pictures of the 18hp Stover > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Stover18hp1.jpg > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Stover18hp2.jpg > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > gastzt at aol.com > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:54 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! > > Oh wow---would love to see a pic of the 18hp Stover---I have some > Stovers---biggest is 8hp---NICE! Thanks so much > Stan Zettner > Pleasanton, Tx USA > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 > 010) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1838 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 6:16 PM From george at irontrader.com Mon Dec 8 19:42:35 2008 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:42:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: References: <000001c9599e$12355640$36a002c0$@com> Message-ID: <000001c959b0$2e6a14b0$8b3e3e10$@com> I think Kevin said they are Bettendorf (sp?) trucks, which is what I think Stover used. We're thinking this is an original portable engine. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! George, Thats a nice big hunk of iron. It looks better than I thought it would. Are those the original trucks? Another plus! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! > Here's a couple pictures of the 18hp Stover > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Stover18hp1.jpg > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Stover18hp2.jpg > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > gastzt at aol.com > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:54 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! > > Oh wow---would love to see a pic of the 18hp Stover---I have some > Stovers---biggest is 8hp---NICE! Thanks so much > Stan Zettner > Pleasanton, Tx USA > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 > 010) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1838 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 6:16 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Dec 9 02:13:17 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:13:17 -0000 Subject: [SEL] New phot archive opened up In-Reply-To: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <021301c959e6$c1ad4cc0$8335c53e@doc> That is fascinating - thanks for sharing! Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Chuck Balyeat > Sent: 09 December 2008 00:40 > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] New phot archive opened up > > A couple of clips from an archive I ran across > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Bundesarchi > v_Bild_183-R78266%2C_AEG_Hennigsdorf%2C_Montagehalle.jpg > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Bundesarchi > v_Bild_183-E12034%2C_Bei_Bromberg%2C_Stra%C3%9Fenbau.jpg > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bundesarchi > v_Bild_183-V00670A%2C_Berlin%2C_Auto_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bundesarchi > v_Bild_183-V00670%2C_Berlin%2C_Pkw_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Bundesarchi > v_Bild_183-H26751%2C_Hamburg%2C_Glockenlager_im_Freihafen.jpg > > The main index of the Bundesarchiv > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_the_Ger > man_Federal_Archive_by_year > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From obise at moscow.com Tue Dec 9 09:51:05 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:51:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New phot archive opened up In-Reply-To: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you for the links, Chuck. The pictures are fascinating, especially those from '39 to '45. There's no doubt about it, I'll be spending many hours browsing the archives. I was at a very impressionable age during WWII. The events of the time had a huge impact upon our daily lives. It seemed as though nearly every family had a father, brother, or uncle in uniform. We were reminded of wartime shortages and rationing every time we went shopping or sat down to the dinner table. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:40 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] New phot archive opened up A couple of clips from an archive I ran across http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-R78 266%2C_AEG_Hennigsdorf%2C_Montagehalle.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-E12 034%2C_Bei_Bromberg%2C_Stra%C3%9Fenbau.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-V00 670A%2C_Berlin%2C_Auto_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-V00 670%2C_Berlin%2C_Pkw_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H26 751%2C_Hamburg%2C_Glockenlager_im_Freihafen.jpg The main index of the Bundesarchiv http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_the_German_Federal_Ar chive_by_year _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Tue Dec 9 21:41:52 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:41:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: <227253.67770.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <227253.67770.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KBN00LKUBSO7BV5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> That is very true. McMaster has tons of stuff, but their prices are RIDICULOUS. -Tony At 07:51 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote: >Hello, >Replying a bit late, been away from the computer. >While McMaster does have a lot of stuff, you generally pay more from >them than you might have to from another source. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 9 23:01:59 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:01:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz References: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com><227253.67770.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0KBN00LKUBSO7BV5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Having been in theUSA many times, I am aware that, what we have come to regard as a 'reasonable' price, is sheer robbery in the USA. That is why I have a USA bank account. If ya lived in Oz, and had no, what do ya say, overseas comparison, you have NO awareness of how we are being ripped! So, THATS why the price seems good to locals here! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > That is very true. McMaster has tons of stuff, but their prices are > RIDICULOUS. > > -Tony > > > > At 07:51 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote: >>Hello, >>Replying a bit late, been away from the computer. >>While McMaster does have a lot of stuff, you generally pay more from >>them than you might have to from another source. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 10 03:45:06 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:45:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz References: <537195.85487.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com><227253.67770.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0KBN00LKUBSO7BV5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <56CF897D0D224B2FBE7BCB3003F3F6B5@tommydk7hxjr4h> True Tony. In many cases you're paying for items being in stock and immediate delivery. If someone is just ordering 1/4 20 screws or 3/8 by inch bolts, you're much better off getting them from a local hardware. However, there are a lot of items McMaster carries that aren't carried at the locals. As long as I place an order by 3:00 pm one day, I can have the items delivered to my home by noon the next day. I could drive to a specialty hardware company in Louisville (50 miles) and could find the items, but by the time I drive an hour each way and burn 6 gallons of gas I'm better off ordering from McMaster. They're a good resource, not cheap, but often cheaper than when all considerations are given. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > That is very true. McMaster has tons of stuff, but their prices are > RIDICULOUS. > > -Tony > > > > At 07:51 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote: >>Hello, >>Replying a bit late, been away from the computer. >>While McMaster does have a lot of stuff, you generally pay more from >>them than you might have to from another source. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 4:53 PM From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 10 06:50:27 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:50:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: <56CF897D0D224B2FBE7BCB3003F3F6B5@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: I'm with you, Judge! I could save a little by shopping around but it's simply not worth the trouble. Also, they've never backordered anything I've ordered. Usually, I get the shipment the next day. McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing system and jillions of items in stock. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 05:45 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > > > True Tony. In many cases you're paying for items > being in stock and > immediate delivery. If someone is just ordering > 1/4 20 screws or 3/8 by > inch bolts, you're much better off getting them > from a local hardware. > However, there are a lot of items McMaster > carries that aren't carried at > the locals. As long as I place an order by 3:00 > pm one day, I can have the > items delivered to my home by noon the next day. > I could drive to a > specialty hardware company in Louisville (50 > miles) and could find the > items, but by the time I drive an hour each way > and burn 6 gallons of gas > I'm better off ordering from McMaster. They're a > good resource, not cheap, > but often cheaper than when all considerations are given. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony & Jackie" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > > > > That is very true. McMaster has tons of stuff, > but their prices are > > RIDICULOUS. > > > > -Tony From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 10 07:16:43 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:16:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Elden, They must have regional warehousing as most folks I talk with say they get next or second day deliveries. My orders come out of Lexington, KY I think so they don't have far to travel. I agree, they must have a lot of items in stock! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:50 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz I'm with you, Judge! I could save a little by shopping around but it's simply not worth the trouble. Also, they've never backordered anything I've ordered. Usually, I get the shipment the next day. McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing system and jillions of items in stock. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 10 07:19:12 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:19:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 10, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Elden DuRand wrote: > > McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing system and jillions of > items in stock. That about sums it up, Elden. Their Los Angeles facility is about 30-40 minutes from here, so when I'm REALLY in a hurry to get something, I can go to their will-call desk. It's a BIG place. And you know what? Their prices are not all that bad. One evening last week I needed some obscure bearings for a magneto. I couldn't figure out WHAT I needed and the old numbers just didn't jive with anything modern. Within five minutes of visiting the McM-C web page, my order was placed. The following morning an old jalopy van pulled up in front of the house, a guy hops out, hands me a box, and zooms off. How many other companies send a guy out in a van to deliver stuff (besides Dominos)? Oh, and the bearings? I don't remember the price, but I think the total was less than fifteen bucks. Delivery in twelve hours, and I didn't have to leave the house. Rob From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 08:41:33 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:41:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: References: <56CF897D0D224B2FBE7BCB3003F3F6B5@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <6f6025160812100841k13dddc72t2e013ca9b9e9f126@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > I'm with you, Judge! > > I could save a little by shopping around but it's simply not worth the > trouble. Also, they've never backordered anything I've ordered. Usually, I > get the shipment the next day. > > McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing system and jillions of items in > stock. > > Take care - Elden We have RS Components in the UK, I think they are overseas as well. They will deliver to you by courier if you cannot wait until next morning, and although their ranges are a bit restricted in engine terms, you can normally get things like Loctite, Bearings, Hardware etc etc. Going back to the 7/16" UNF Acorn/dome nuts which started this off, we found three places eventually, one in the UK that has them on ebay, but after three attempts to get details of thread depth etc out of the guy I gave up on him. One of the others replied to a request for pricing, but went quiet when I asked about 30+ prices. The last one just refuses to respond at all. What recession? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From pcgray at zoominternet.net Wed Dec 10 09:40:06 2008 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:40:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Gear source- Martin sprocket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <872E237B-0A69-4EBB-803C-AD70842F994F@zoominternet.net> Fellow ferrites- I recently bought some steel spur gears from Martin Sprocket (http://www.martinsprocket.com/home.htm ) for my 2 HP ARACO project. I needed a 3" 36 tooth and 6" 72 tooth 12 DP gears. Total with ship was ~110 bucks. These were solid 7/8" thick with a thick hub. Nice stuff to machine to enlarge the bores. The only down side is you have to purchase through a local distributor, but they came up with one close to me. You might want to compare them to Boston. Paul Gray From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 10 15:44:53 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:44:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Gear source- Martin sprocket In-Reply-To: <872E237B-0A69-4EBB-803C-AD70842F994F@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: Paul: I had a look at their site and will try to design-in a gearset into "The Homebrew Hvid" that I'm working on now. It looks like the nearest dealer for them is in the Tampa, FL area, about 400 miles from me. When I've got the parts spec'd., I'll call them and see if they'll ship to m Otherwise, I've got a roller chain and sprockets in the design now but would really like to have gears. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul + > Colleen Gray > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:40 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Gear source- Martin sprocket > > > Fellow ferrites- > > I recently bought some steel spur gears from > Martin Sprocket (http://www.martinsprocket.com/home.htm > ) for my 2 HP ARACO project. I needed a 3" 36 > tooth and 6" 72 tooth 12 > DP gears. Total with ship was ~110 bucks. These > were solid 7/8" thick > with a thick hub. Nice stuff to machine to > enlarge the bores. The > only down side is you have to purchase through a > local distributor, > but they came up with one close to me. You might > want to compare them > to Boston. > > Paul Gray > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Dec 10 17:22:35 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:22:35 EST Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question Message-ID: Hi List, Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care Manual with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in the garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity Auction? Francis Maciel 514 E. Taft Street Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 10 18:50:23 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:50:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question References: Message-ID: <000e01c95b3b$372bdf70$66674b47@mikecomp> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question > Hi List, > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care > Manual > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in the > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity Auction? > > Francis Maciel > 514 E. Taft Street > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Dec 10 19:15:24 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:15:24 EST Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question Message-ID: Mike, I'll put it up on the auction site. Does your Jeep have the governor, PTO, or winch? This manual covers them. It also addresses how to plow methods. Francis Maciel 514 E. Taft Street Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 12/10/2008 6:58:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mr at carolina.rr.com writes: Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 10 19:23:16 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:23:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question References: Message-ID: <002001c95b3f$cf249c00$66674b47@mikecomp> I have a PTO, looking forward to bidding! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question > Mike, > I'll put it up on the auction site. > Does your Jeep have the governor, PTO, or winch? This manual covers > them. > It also addresses how to plow methods. > > > Francis Maciel > 514 E. Taft Street > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > In a message dated 12/10/2008 6:58:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > mr at carolina.rr.com writes: > > Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! > > > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Dec 10 19:35:40 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:35:40 EST Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question Message-ID: Mike, It has been posted. The manual has 68 pages. Francis Maciel 514 E. Taft Street Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 12/10/2008 7:28:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mr at carolina.rr.com writes: I have a PTO, looking forward to bidding! **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 10 19:42:54 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:42:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question References: Message-ID: <000f01c95b42$8d492500$66674b47@mikecomp> Thanks Francis! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question > Mike, > It has been posted. > The manual has 68 pages. > > > Francis Maciel > 514 E. Taft Street > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > In a message dated 12/10/2008 7:28:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > mr at carolina.rr.com writes: > > I have a PTO, looking forward to bidding! > > > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 11 11:05:36 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:05:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Whippet engin and transmission - OT Message-ID: <1229022336.4941648061e6f@webmail.city-net.com> Folks, If you have any interest or information to share, contact Marie Lloyd directly at m4lloyd at comcast.net She is not on any of the lists. See ya, Arnie ----- Forwarded message from m4lloyd at comcast.net ----- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:14:47 +0000 From: m4lloyd at comcast.net Reply-To: m4lloyd at comcast.net Subject: Whippet engin and transmission To: fero_ah at city-net.com Arnie, I got your email off Oldengine.org. My brother has decided to try and sell the old pile of what I thought was just metal behind the barn. Imagine my surprise when I looked up what he told me it was. A 1928 Whippet engine and transmission. I feel that this needs more specialized attention than just putting it on eBay. If you have any contacts who would be interested in it or could even give me a starting value to place on it for an eBay listing I would be grateful. Thanks for your time. Marie Lloyd m4lloyd at comcast.net From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 11 13:37:22 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:37:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Whippet engin and transmission - OT In-Reply-To: <1229022336.4941648061e6f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Marie: Believe it or not, I once owned a '28 Whippet! It had the four cylinder engine, so similar to the later "coal scuttle" Willys car engine that a lot of parts would interchange. Is the engine a four or six cylinder? Maybe one of these outfits could help: Antique Automobile Club of America http://www.aaca.org/ Veteran Motor Car Club of America http://www.vmcca.org/ Willys Overland Knight Registry http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/wokr/gallery/gallery3.htm I hope this helps! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 01:06 PM > To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine; Slick Willy > Cc: m4lloyd at comcast.net > Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Whippet engin and transmission - OT > > > Folks, > > If you have any interest or information to share, > contact Marie Lloyd directly > at m4lloyd at comcast.net She is not on any of the lists. > > See ya, Arnie > > ----- Forwarded message from m4lloyd at comcast.net ----- > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:14:47 +0000 > From: m4lloyd at comcast.net > Reply-To: m4lloyd at comcast.net > Subject: Whippet engin and transmission > To: fero_ah at city-net.com > > Arnie, I got your email off Oldengine.org. My > brother has decided to try and > sell the old pile of what I thought was just > metal behind the barn. Imagine my > surprise when I looked up what he told me it was. > A 1928 Whippet engine and > transmission. I feel that this needs more > specialized attention than just > putting it on eBay. If you have any contacts who > would be interested in it or > could even give me a starting value to place on > it for an eBay listing I would > be grateful. > > Thanks for your time. > > Marie Lloyd > m4lloyd at comcast.net From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 11 12:54:57 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:54:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Whippet engin and transmission - OT References: Message-ID: A little history. Skip http://www.hubcapcafe.com/ocs/pages01/whippet2801.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Whippet engin and transmission - OT > Marie: > > Believe it or not, I once owned a '28 Whippet! It had the four cylinder > engine, so similar to the later "coal scuttle" Willys car engine that a > lot of parts would interchange. > > Is the engine a four or six cylinder? > > Maybe one of these outfits could help: > > Antique Automobile Club of America > http://www.aaca.org/ > > Veteran Motor Car Club of America > http://www.vmcca.org/ > > Willys Overland Knight Registry > http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/wokr/gallery/gallery3.htm > > I hope this helps! > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of >> fero_ah at city-net.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 01:06 PM >> To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine; Slick Willy >> Cc: m4lloyd at comcast.net >> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Whippet engin and transmission - OT >> >> >> Folks, >> >> If you have any interest or information to share, >> contact Marie Lloyd directly >> at m4lloyd at comcast.net She is not on any of the lists. >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> ----- Forwarded message from m4lloyd at comcast.net ----- >> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:14:47 +0000 >> From: m4lloyd at comcast.net >> Reply-To: m4lloyd at comcast.net >> Subject: Whippet engin and transmission >> To: fero_ah at city-net.com >> >> Arnie, I got your email off Oldengine.org. My >> brother has decided to try and >> sell the old pile of what I thought was just >> metal behind the barn. Imagine my >> surprise when I looked up what he told me it was. >> A 1928 Whippet engine and >> transmission. I feel that this needs more >> specialized attention than just >> putting it on eBay. If you have any contacts who >> would be interested in it or >> could even give me a starting value to place on >> it for an eBay listing I would >> be grateful. >> >> Thanks for your time. >> >> Marie Lloyd >> m4lloyd at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1843 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:36 AM From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 11 13:50:55 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:50:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about finding time to work on the non-running engines. At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it run. Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running condition? Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have? At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals you just can't pass up ;-) ) George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 14:14:52 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:14:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812111414v592bac65j6e933e6989358a4d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/12/2008, Best, George wrote: > At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd > better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones > running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals > you just can't pass up ;-) ) > > George It's an ongoing process for most folks, I'd guess. We have about 25 engines/generators, plus or minus 2 or 3 that we may have forgotten about. If someone called tomorrow with a desirable engine at a price that we could afford, I'd be interested. I guess that says that we wouldn't buy 'anything', regardless of price etc. The running to non-running ratio is fairly high, probably 5 or 6 are fully operational, most are in the queue for work or funds, maybe 10 could be runners fairly quickly. Some, like the Caterpillar singles are needing a fair bit of 'creative engineering' to get working, although the basic engines are all there, just missing exhausts and air cleaners and a starter system Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 11 14:21:38 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:21:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <26C63F65AC764CECA858BB8040F14E40@reg6db4351094b> All my stuff is in running condition. In theory! Practice is a different tale. Stale fuel is the greatest cause of 'Fail to start'. Now, the latest from our lot is that unleaded fuel will not be available without Ethanol. Even though a lot of makers warn against this. Sigh! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners >I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have > at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would > probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the > ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects > as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. > > I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about > finding time to work on the non-running engines. > > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. > > Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a > visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it > run. > > Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running > condition? > > Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have? > > At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd > better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones > running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals > you just can't pass up ;-) ) > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 11 14:26:15 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:26:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle Message-ID: <9836BEB7A0A446C4B4CB330FA567EC49@PETER> Hi guys Has anyone in the US heard of the "The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle", circa 1889. Very interested in hearing from anyone who has data or info on Sweeney and his invention!! I have no idea if it was patented. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Dec 11 14:52:16 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:52:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> My ratio is BAD..... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners >I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have > at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would > probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the > ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects > as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. > > I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about > finding time to work on the non-running engines. > > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. > > Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a > visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it > run. > > Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running > condition? > > Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have? > > At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd > better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones > running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals > you just can't pass up ;-) ) > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1843 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:36 AM From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Dec 11 14:11:42 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:42 EST Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2008 4:59:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! I always knew you were a smart man George. Mine are probably 2 non to 1 running also. Working on a 5 Hercules at the moment an Amish fellow called me to see if I could help him out. Some minor problems to work out, but nothing major. Should be working on my own instead. Hard to figure how to charge a man for my work, as it is nice to see one run again. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Dec 11 15:17:43 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:17:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle In-Reply-To: <9836BEB7A0A446C4B4CB330FA567EC49@PETER> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081211181419.0258b9e0@ncweb.com> Several hits on Google. http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,98877 Many photos of UP engines show the fat "Sweeney stack". I'd suspect that it was a multiple port nozzle with the ports spaced rather far apart, so each could generate draft without interaction with adjacent nozzles. Dave Merchant At 05:26 PM 12/11/2008, you wrote: >Hi guys > >Has anyone in the US heard of the "The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle", >circa 1889. Very interested in hearing from anyone who has data or info on >Sweeney and his invention!! I have no idea if it was patented. > > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 11 16:06:54 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:06:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081211181419.0258b9e0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <9A8B251B8C084A1AAB79BF7E45519C75@PETER> Hi David Thank mate, did not see that link before when I was looking. Arnie will come back now and say what did I find on R&V, well Arnie, read the book ;-))) I had a MAJOR break through on R&V today and the book is back on the drawing board in earnest. What does UP stand for, is it Union Pacific ?? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Several hits on Google. > > http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,98877 > > Many photos of UP engines show the fat "Sweeney stack". > > I'd suspect that it was a multiple port nozzle with the ports spaced > rather far apart, so each could generate draft without interaction > with adjacent nozzles. > > Dave Merchant > > > At 05:26 PM 12/11/2008, you wrote: >>Hi guys >> >>Has anyone in the US heard of the "The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle", >>circa 1889. Very interested in hearing from anyone who has data or info on >>Sweeney and his invention!! I have no idea if it was patented. >> >> >>Regards >>Peter Lowe >>R&V Engine Registrar >>Australia >>Ph: 61-266453455 >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Dec 11 17:12:29 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:12:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle In-Reply-To: <9A8B251B8C084A1AAB79BF7E45519C75@PETER> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081211181419.0258b9e0@ncweb.com> <9A8B251B8C084A1AAB79BF7E45519C75@PETER> Message-ID: <38F927E2-C99E-450B-9BCB-61CE587E0C48@rustyiron.com> On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > I had a MAJOR break through > What does UP stand for, Hey ya ol' swagman! Up is what you're pointing at when you stick your finger in the air and shimmy your rump, like in Saturday Night Fever, unless you live in Oz, in which case you're pointing DOWN. So what's this major breakthrough that you figured out today? That Kaye could have done MUCH better? That Marmite is better than Vegemite? Do TELL! Rob From swebre at hotmail.com Thu Dec 11 17:24:09 2008 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:24:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) -Steve- Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question > Hi List, > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care > Manual > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in the > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity Auction? > > Francis Maciel > 514 E. Taft Street > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 11 17:30:12 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:30:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4941BEA4.9060003@rustic-engines.com> Just throw the FMZ diag cam gear + ancillaries my way, then it will be *less* BAD. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > My ratio is BAD..... > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 PM > Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners > > > >> I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have >> at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would >> probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the >> ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects >> as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. >> >> I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about >> finding time to work on the non-running engines. >> >> At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. >> >> Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a >> visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it >> run. >> >> Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running >> condition? >> >> Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have? >> >> At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd >> better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones >> running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals >> you just can't pass up ;-) ) >> >> George >> >> > From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Dec 11 17:48:59 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:48:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 References: Message-ID: <002501c95bfb$ce134ca0$66674b47@mikecomp> OUCH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > > And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... > > heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) > > -Steve- > > > > > > > > Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! > > Mike Royster > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:22 PM > Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question > > >> Hi List, >> Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >> Manual >> with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in the >> garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >> Auction? >> >> Francis Maciel >> 514 E. Taft Street >> Santa Maria, CA 93454 >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Dec 11 17:50:49 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> All mine run. Some just havent run in a long time. Some are missing parts OK Ok, almost all of my engines run but 3, I think. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners >I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have > at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would > probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the > ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects > as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. > > I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about > finding time to work on the non-running engines. > > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. > > Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a > visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it > run. > > Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running > condition? > > Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have? > > At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd > better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones > running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals > you just can't pass up ;-) ) > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 11 18:18:47 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:18:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 References: <002501c95bfb$ce134ca0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <9AFF109D003643FA9D35D9917707F6CA@reg6db4351094b> No sympathy! Ya opened yer mouth, ya cop the flack!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > OUCH > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Webre" > To: "sel" > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > > >> >> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >> >> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >> >> Mike Royster >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:22 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item Question >> >> >>> Hi List, >>> Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >>> Manual >>> with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >>> the >>> garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >>> Auction? >>> >>> Francis Maciel >>> 514 E. Taft Street >>> Santa Maria, CA 93454 >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Dec 11 18:20:25 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:20:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4941BEA4.9060003@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <2CA5D1465A264EC08C9108CFAD57DEDC@tommydk7hxjr4h> Al, I went yesterday aftenoon and dug for about an hour looking for that cam gear that may or may not be what your looking for. Thought I knew exactly the bucket it was in ..... but it wasn't. I'll find it (I think) so you can see if its what you need. It will be a couple of days though as I'm heading out to pick up some iron late tomorrow and won't be back until Sunday. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners > Just throw the FMZ diag cam gear + ancillaries my way, then it will be > *less* BAD. ;-) > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> My ratio is BAD..... >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Best, George" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners >> >> >> >>> I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have >>> at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would >>> probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the >>> ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects >>> as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. >>> >>> I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about >>> finding time to work on the non-running engines. >>> >>> At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. >>> >>> Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a >>> visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it >>> run. >>> >>> Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running >>> condition? >>> >>> Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have? >>> >>> At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd >>> better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones >>> running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals >>> you just can't pass up ;-) ) >>> >>> George >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1843 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:36 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 11 18:58:56 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:58:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <2CA5D1465A264EC08C9108CFAD57DEDC@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4941BEA4.9060003@rustic-engines.com> <2CA5D1465A264EC08C9108CFAD57DEDC@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4941D370.30306@rustic-engines.com> You're excused. :-) Just don't dump the new old iron you bring home, on top of the bucket you can't find. ;-) BTW my two Villiers 4-strokes, a Villiers mkviiic 2-stroke, two Rosebery verticals and a JLO Backpack Sprayer work. The FMZ ruins a perfect score. A ratio of 7 to 1, but it's only a small data sample eh. :-( Then again, It's all in a small shed (single car garage). Some one mentioned "non-runners jammed", the only two "unjammed" engines I got were the two 2-strokes. I learnt a great deal from the jammed ones, new words and all. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Sitting in his boardshorts on the porch after chowing down/having a bite/eating lunch, sipping a Fosters. Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Al, > I went yesterday aftenoon and dug for about an hour looking for that cam > gear that may or may not be what your looking for. Thought I knew exactly > the bucket it was in ..... but it wasn't. I'll find it (I think) so you can > see if its what you need. It will be a couple of days though as I'm heading > out to pick up some iron late tomorrow and won't be back until Sunday. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners > > > >> Just throw the FMZ diag cam gear + ancillaries my way, then it will be >> *less* BAD. ;-) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >>> My ratio is BAD..... >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> > From kimmell at verizon.net Thu Dec 11 20:49:11 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:49:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: References: <56CF897D0D224B2FBE7BCB3003F3F6B5@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <0KBQ004O4YOVU461@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> I make deliveries to their Elmhurst, IL warehouse all the time. It's a HUGE place that takes up probably 40-50 acres of land. I comparison shop everything, so that's probably why they seem high to me. I can go pick stuff up there whenever I go in to make a delivery, so the shipping part isn't such a big deal to me. You do have a good point about the availability though. I don't think there's much of anything they have to backorder. The woman in receiving told me that they stock almost 99% of the stuff that is in their catalog. -Tony At 08:50 AM 12/10/2008, you wrote: >I'm with you, Judge! > >I could save a little by shopping around but it's simply not worth >the trouble. Also, they've never backordered anything I've >ordered. Usually, I get the shipment the next day. > >McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing system and jillions of >items in stock. > >Take care - Elden From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 11 21:05:47 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:05:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Articles 4U In-Reply-To: <001e01c958f0$89e48520$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <064B51DB-6DA4-48CF-A19A-358643FB10E0@rustyiron.com><005301c958c5$db269430$66674b47@mikecomp> <5FADAFEB-1452-4718-89CE-281FD49935AC@rustyiron.com> <001e01c958f0$89e48520$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <1229058347.4941f12b58e5c@webmail.city-net.com> Bless your heart... 8-)) Quoting Mike Royster : > Hey, I deserve to be home, we have $1.45 > gas again. I am a bloody hero!!! From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 11 22:18:42 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:18:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229062722.49420242ac6ec@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Elden, And after having dealt with McM, how do you feel when you order something from another company and they tell you that it will be delivered in 4-6 weeks!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Elden DuRand : > I could save a little by shopping around but it's simply not worth the > trouble. Also, they've never backordered anything I've ordered. Usually, I > get the shipment the next day. > > McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing system and jillions of items in > stock. From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Dec 11 22:58:00 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:58:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081211181419.0258b9e0@ncweb.com><9A8B251B8C084A1AAB79BF7E45519C75@PETER> <38F927E2-C99E-450B-9BCB-61CE587E0C48@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: > On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> I had a MAJOR break through > >> What does UP stand for, > > > Hey ya ol' swagman! > Up is what you're pointing at when you stick your finger in the air > and shimmy your rump, like in Saturday Night Fever, unless you live in > Oz, in which case you're pointing DOWN. So what's this major > breakthrough that you figured out today? That Kaye could have done > MUCH better? That Marmite is better than Vegemite? Do TELL! > > Rob Hey Amigo you bean muncher, you will have to try harder than that to pry it from me. Pete, Oz From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Dec 11 23:12:14 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:12:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Message-ID: <20081211.231215.724.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Score: Runners 18, Non runners 20. But it was 19 to 19 until I took the FriscoStandard apart to weld cylinder. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIRXfdzEj02A8qpXat8ofocoYO1043E1LVSOYVqXv1UcV/ From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 12 00:46:07 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:46:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please Message-ID: Hi Guys What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what it means until I just stumbled across something on the Web today to do with R&V. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Dec 12 00:47:18 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:47:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle In-Reply-To: <9A8B251B8C084A1AAB79BF7E45519C75@PETER> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081211181419.0258b9e0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081211195620.040fb2f0@ncweb.com> Union Pacific. Still a major player, and has had a great steam excursion program with some awesome engines for many years. Since they deal with long distances and several major grades (banks), they have long been involved in huge high horsepower locomotives, including the three cylinder 4-12-2's, 4-6-6-4 Challenger, 4-8-8-4 Big Boy, and awesome big 4-8-4 Northerns for passenger trains. Then a series of huge gas turbines, then the GM DD series and Alco equivalent diesels, with essentially 2 locos mounted on one long frame, on either 4 span bolster trucks or huge 4 axle trucks. They've now settled on lining up long strings of the highest horsepower diesels the builders have to offer. Absorbed ailing Southern Pacific + its subsidiaries a few years ago. We see a lot of their power on run-throughs in the eastern US, as we live near the old NYC main line (CSX), used to go watch the 20th Century Limited fly through. If a loco is clean, UP still owns it, since they sell slightly used engines to leasing companies as soon as the ashtray gets dirty. The US is now 4 major RRs, plus a bunch of healthy regionals. UP and BNSF west of the Mississippi, and NS + CSX east of Big Muddy. UP = UP +SP BNSF = CB+Q, Great Northern, Northern Pacific, Santa Fe NS = Norfolk + Western, NKP, Southern, Seaboard, ACL. CSX = B+O, C+O, Wabash We live west of GE Erie, so we see blocks of new engines being delivered to UP + BNSF every friday night. They line up the week's production and send them out Friday. Dave Merchant At 07:06 PM 12/11/2008, you wrote: >Hi David >Thank mate, did not see that link before when I was looking. >Arnie will come back now and say what did I find on R&V, well Arnie, read >the book ;-))) I had a MAJOR break through on R&V today and the book is back >on the drawing board in earnest. > >What does UP stand for, is it Union Pacific ?? > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > > > Several hits on Google. > > > > http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,98877 > > > > Many photos of UP engines show the fat "Sweeney stack". > > > > I'd suspect that it was a multiple port nozzle with the ports spaced > > rather far apart, so each could generate draft without interaction > > with adjacent nozzles. > > > > Dave Merchant > > > > > > At 05:26 PM 12/11/2008, you wrote: > >>Hi guys > >> > >>Has anyone in the US heard of the "The Sweeney Locomotive Exhaust Nozzle", > >>circa 1889. Very interested in hearing from anyone who has data or info on > >>Sweeney and his invention!! I have no idea if it was patented. > >> > >> > >>Regards > >>Peter Lowe > >>R&V Engine Registrar > >>Australia > >>Ph: 61-266453455 > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Dave Merchant > > kosh at nesys.com > > nesys_com at ameritech.net > > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > > > http://www.nesys.com > > http://www.nesys.org > > YouTube: SteamCrane > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Dec 12 01:12:55 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:12:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081212041156.028b5c50@ncweb.com> Yes. Don't know if they have any presence outside the US. Dave Merchant At 03:46 AM 12/12/2008, you wrote: >Hi Guys > >What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand >for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? >I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what it >means until I just stumbled across something on the Web today to do with R&V. > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 01:26:14 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:26:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <9836BEB7A0A446C4B4CB330FA567EC49@PETER> Message-ID: <982288.86796.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, Bill Young ( in Japan ) here. Just out of curiosity, I opened the SPAM file and found a bunch of your items about Japanese engines and shows.? As I read each one of them, unbeknown-st to me, it got deleted.? If anyone saved a list of those sites, I would appreciate receiving -- off line OK.? wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp ? Yes, things are done differently here.? Insurance schemes and safety practices are unknown.? I have yet to see a Japanese engine mounted on a cart.? I have never seen an open crank engine, ditto hit 'n miss.? EK magnetos were copied and produced locally, some exact copies, some with variations? -- the iol hole for example or a single hefty magnet. ? There are different clubs, many of which have their own banners and members wear club overalls or t-shirts.? If there are club news letters, I don't know about them -- nor could I read one if it were in my hand right now. ? On the other hand, how many of you lads have seen a western 4 cycle engine with both intake and exhaust valves operated by one push rod?? ? By the way, I live alone and have a couple extra futons.? Wanna stop by for a while and have a look see??? The welcome mat is always out.? Arnie has been promising for years, but always too busy chasing those atoms, isotopes and bucks.? ( Arnie-san, is that all you chase?)? ? If you don't already know Wakahara-san, you probably will, sooner or later.? He is making and selling a battery operated?engine starter.? He has mounted a hefty truck starter motor on a pogo-stick-like contraption, pushes it next to a flywheel, energizes and spins up the engine.? No fuss, no muss, no bother.? ?? Mind the RPMs, Keep in touch, Bill From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 12 02:25:00 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:25:00 -0000 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please References: Message-ID: <002201c95c43$e4646a00$3a290556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please > Hi Guys > What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? > I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what it means until I just stumbled across something > on the Web today to do with R&V. > Regards > Peter Lowe Hi Peter, I wondered why you didn't just google the question but when I tried it I found no one will give you the answer. see http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/SAE which seems to suggest either "Society of Automotive Engineers" or "Society of American Engineers". I hope someone knows more! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 12 02:38:30 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:38:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets References: <982288.86796.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14298816A2DE4CC0B7E2B4DBFC761A89@PETER> Hi Bill It was me that posted the Japanese engine shows from links that Wakahara-san sent me. He has a nice R&V engine as well as other nice stuff. Some of the pages are memory hungry, large files but you can get lost in these sites for hours, great shots of collections in another country. This is good viewing for you Yanks when cabin fever sets in. http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyounoyu3.html http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/hatudouki.html http://jh1ubk.my.coocan.jp/18/nagano1.html http://jh1ubk.my.coocan.jp/ http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyounoyu.html Thank goodness for Google translater ;-)) ????? Oil Engine Peter, Australia Hi Guys, Bill Young ( in Japan ) here. Just out of curiosity, I opened the SPAM file and found a bunch of your items about Japanese engines and shows. As I read each one of them, unbeknown-st to me, it got deleted. If anyone saved a list of those sites, I would appreciate receiving -- off line OK. wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp Yes, things are done differently here. Insurance schemes and safety practices are unknown. I have yet to see a Japanese engine mounted on a cart. I have never seen an open crank engine, ditto hit 'n miss. EK magnetos were copied and produced locally, some exact copies, some with variations -- the iol hole for example or a single hefty magnet. There are different clubs, many of which have their own banners and members wear club overalls or t-shirts. If there are club news letters, I don't know about them -- nor could I read one if it were in my hand right now. On the other hand, how many of you lads have seen a western 4 cycle engine with both intake and exhaust valves operated by one push rod? By the way, I live alone and have a couple extra futons. Wanna stop by for a while and have a look see? The welcome mat is always out. Arnie has been promising for years, but always too busy chasing those atoms, isotopes and bucks. ( Arnie-san, is that all you chase?) If you don't already know Wakahara-san, you probably will, sooner or later. He is making and selling a battery operated engine starter. He has mounted a hefty truck starter motor on a pogo-stick-like contraption, pushes it next to a flywheel, energizes and spins up the engine. No fuss, no muss, no bother. Mind the RPMs, Keep in touch, Bill _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Dec 12 02:56:05 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:56:05 +0900 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please References: Message-ID: Peter, Society of Automotive Engineers threads [ SAE]. Identical thread form to the American National Standard Thread. They were developed in a wide range of sizes and fits by the Association of Liceneced Automobile Manufacturers[A.L.A.M.] to the recomended standards of 1906.These covered threads of 1/4 to 3/4 with 28 to 16 threads per inch.The ALAM standard was adopted and extended to 1 1/2 Inch in 1911by the SAE as the S.A.E. Screw Standard.In 1915 this was again extended and refered to as the S.A.E. Coarse Series.In 1918 the SAE Fine series was extended downward from 1 1/2 to1/4 inch mainly for aeronautical use The presentCoarse[NC]Serieswas the formerAmerican National Standard. There is a hellof a lot more about this thread ,hope this explains it. From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:46 PM Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please > Hi Guys > > What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand > for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? > I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what it > means until I just stumbled across something on the Web today to do with > R&V. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Dec 12 03:01:52 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:01:52 +0900 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please References: <002201c95c43$e4646a00$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <415EB5E7BFB642FB9CABFA81B85AC15F@your9e74d7efa7> Just to confuse you ,there are in fact 6 thread forms that come under S.A.E. They are N.C ,N.F. ,N.E.F [Extra Fine] , 8N ,Thread Series, 12 N Series and 16 N Series ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SAE origins please > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:46 AM > Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please > > >> Hi Guys >> What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand >> for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? >> I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what >> it means until I just stumbled across something >> on the Web today to do with R&V. >> Regards >> Peter Lowe > > Hi Peter, I wondered why you didn't just google the question but when I > tried it I found no one will give you the answer. > see http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/SAE which seems to suggest > either "Society of Automotive Engineers" or > "Society of American Engineers". I hope someone knows more! > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 12 06:37:44 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:37:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz In-Reply-To: <1229062722.49420242ac6ec@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie: The answer to your question is: "I'd kick myself for not ordering it from McMaster!". If the outfit that said it would be four to six weeks was the only one with the item, I'd be stuck. But, if they were just being lazy and I could get it elsewhere, even at a slightly higher price, I'd do it just to stick it to 'em a little. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:19 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Buying from McMaster Carr in Oz > > > Hi Elden, > > And after having dealt with McM, how do you feel > when you order something from > another company and they tell you that it will be > delivered in 4-6 weeks!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Elden DuRand : > > > I could save a little by shopping around but > it's simply not worth the > > trouble. Also, they've never backordered > anything I've ordered. Usually, I > > get the shipment the next day. > > > > McMaster must have one heck of a warehousing > system and jillions of items in > > stock. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 12 05:36:56 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:36:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please References: Message-ID: <001301c95c5e$b3f37d50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> does SAE stand for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? the Secret order , of Automotive Engineers . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 06:26:46 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:26:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <982288.86796.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <986906.54863.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Peter-san,? I had just about given up on getting anything from the link you sent.? I thought something was wrong.? When I came back with a cuppa, the movie was underway.? The comments I made in previous email were made before I saw the movies.? Here are some more. (1)? For all of you who don't know Wakahara-san, he is the young guy handing the P.A. mike to an older guy.? Waka is a professional bicycle racer -- a frequent winner as you can infer from the size of his engines.? He also appears in front of the big oil field engine, an import from Canada, I think.? He, and his partner,?have bought several engines from me.? (2)? The Japanese date, as you probably figured out, (actually Western calendar date)? is given year, month, day. (3)? Some of those guys drive their trucks, loaded with engines and gear, ?all day and night from home to show -- and back.The local lads will always provide fork-lifts and boom trucks for unloading and reloading.? Ditto the food.? Beer and sake flow copiously, a real No No?Stateside and insurance wise. (4)? One of the standard dishes, perhaps bowls would be more apt, is made in the big, wood fired?caldron, filled with any mixture of vegetable and, hear this, either chicken or pig entrals, meticulously cleaned of course.? One year, yours truly decided enough was enough and got permission to bring 7kg of chicken breasts, no bone, no skin,? instead of the gut casings.? Real gourmet style.? One problem.? There were several complaints that the stuff didn't taste so good that year. (5)? Someone mentioned the smoking engines.? Did anyone notice how many were boiling?? Cold day, no load, boiling.? Why?? All of you probably did notice the things being stuffed into the water jackets.? Yep, that's how we cook eggs and other goodies. (6)? Many of the local lads like to have engines running as slowly as possible.? Killing two birds with one stone, they retard the timing?to the point where the engine will barely run and get boiling water as a bonus.? The smoke signifies samurai machismo. (7)? I don't personally know the guy in the suit who addressed the group.? Traditionally, he would be the local mayor scrounging a few votes for ?next time around. (8)? Remember the scene with the guy flailing away with the huge wooden mallet?? He was pounding steaming sticky rice.? After sufficient pounding, the rice becomes a viscous mass, which can be broiled, eaten as is or put in soups as would Amercan dumplings. ( Better than chicken guts. )? It takes a? good man to keep that mallet going for ten minutes.? Traditionally, there will be two guys,?swinging?consecutively and a woman moving tha mass around between strokes, hopefully.? She will have a pail of cold water in which to?dip her hands, as the rice mass is still very HOT! ? Suggestion:? On your next trip to? Japan, instead of climbing Fuji-san, go to an engine meet.? If you see a?Gai-jin, it will probably be me.? ? Peter-san, Was it Wakahara-san who sent you the movies? From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 12 09:13:51 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:13:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <3926B7F1-DBD4-4C70-B4B7-B8EF2863ACCD@alltel.net> On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Best, George wrote: > I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and > have > at home, I've only had 2 of them running. I know for a FACT that NONE of Arnie's engines are running at the moment! Dave PS, Oh the shame of it all! From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Dec 12 09:18:56 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:18:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <20081211.231215.724.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20081212171857.8003265B4AE@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Ron, Have you taken pictures of the project? I would love to see them. Thanks ,Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:12 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Score: Runners 18, Non runners 20. But it was 19 to 19 until I took the FriscoStandard apart to weld cylinder. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIRXfdzEj02A8qpXat8ofoco YO1043E1LVSOYVqXv1UcV/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 12 13:12:34 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:12:34 -0000 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_A_useful_tool_for_enginemen=3F?= Message-ID: <002b01c95c9e$5d99abb0$3a290556@intrepid> An American friend sent me a post showing a view around his house. I had seen nothing like it so He told me how to use it. My first try in the local park in very dark conditions this afternoon you can see at http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=0d7a66e4-0d4a-4b7d-888e-3bf9b46419d7 (use the arrows on either side). It seems you can also use it to go round an object pointing inwards or rotating the object before the camera. I haven't tried that yet. It is free & the try I made took about 20 shots for full rotation. I have just tried the rotating object method and the automatic system did not get it right but if you use the buttons on the top right to zoom and turn it could be usefull. You can also zoom in a lot for details. lets have your views! see http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=5BC65182-F4AB-4644-BB1B-2BCA95E26807 I am looking forward to the start of the rally season for a shot surrounded with engines. Perhaps others can think of other uses? Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Dec 12 13:28:52 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:28:52 +0900 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT References: <001301c95c5e$b3f37d50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <4CD56EFE107F4CFBACE9310D650D3650@your9e74d7efa7> With the looming demise of the Amercan automotive industry we could well be looking at the end of the S.A.E. thread form . You will now have to go Metric ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SAE origins please > > does SAE stand for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? > > > the Secret order , of Automotive Engineers . > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 12 14:30:59 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:30:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229121059.4942e62301811@webmail.city-net.com> Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> See ya, Arnie Quoting Steve Webre : > And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... > > heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) > > -Steve- > > > Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! > > Mike Royster > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care > > Manual > > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in the > > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity Auction? > > > > Francis Maciel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 12 14:37:59 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:37:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam> A useful tool for enginemen? References: <002b01c95c9e$5d99abb0$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <003401c95caa$49a0a3f0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Those links didnt do much over here . This one does what I think you intended . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHzw98qt5Lo&feature=related Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 12 14:39:20 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:39:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT References: <001301c95c5e$b3f37d50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <4CD56EFE107F4CFBACE9310D650D3650@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <003901c95caa$7a01bde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > With the looming demise of the Amercan automotive industry we could well > be > looking at the end of the S.A.E. thread form .> You will now have to go > Metric ! >>>>>>>>>> Bwaaahahahahah hahahahaaa aaaahahahahhahahaaahahahaa . I wish ! Chuck From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 12 15:06:12 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:06:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6750C2C2163348BFB19F3FA5E1D22219@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <16bd105826921eecfe4213cca62214fe.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> Hey Tommy, given the sad original condition of some of the rare beasts you do restore to full splendor, I think you can be forgiven. Wasn't it the Ohio that you brought to Portland one year? And about all you had to start with was the left mounting screw for the name plate and you had to fabricate all of the rest of the engine? I may have exaggerated just a trifle. 8-)) See ya, Arnie > My ratio is BAD..... > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 12 15:07:13 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:07:13 -0000 Subject: [SEL] A useful tool for enginemen? References: <002b01c95c9e$5d99abb0$3a290556@intrepid> <003401c95caa$49a0a3f0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <002201c95cae$5fdb9220$3a290556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> A useful tool for enginemen? > Those links didnt do much over here . This one does what I think you > intended . > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHzw98qt5Lo&feature=related > Chuck Hi Chuck, I think you have to download a small program to use it. Thanks for the posting you sent me which shows it is far more important than I realised at this early stage of me using it. It may be a major inovation in the future. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 12 15:10:07 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:10:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, I think my collection is about half & half, runners & non-runners. None of the ones needing work need major work. Mainly just time. As to that "not buy an interesting engine cos I have non-running engines..." What are you man; daft? 8-)) See ya, Arnie > I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have > at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would > probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the > ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects > as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run. > > I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about > finding time to work on the non-running engines. > > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1. > > Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a > visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it > run. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 12 15:12:39 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:12:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <066cf922348e9aadc41dfb70eccf2d38.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> George, WHat's that sorta brass-looking cylinder (looks to be maybe 3" in dia) that runs parallel to the cylinder of the Ingeco? NICE looking engine BTW! See ya, Arnie > Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, then > this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 12 17:13:33 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:13:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis query Message-ID: <005301c95cc0$05d57040$6b74eedc@fred> BlankHi List Guys, Need to know if Whitemetal corrodes if placed in Electrolysis, we have a stuck sideshaft that has whitemetal bushes so can`t use much heat. David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 12 17:19:30 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:19:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 References: <1229121059.4942e62301811@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000801c95cc0$d97799a0$66674b47@mikecomp> Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 bucks i would think!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's > gonna have > to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. > > That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Steve Webre : > >> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >> >> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >> >> Mike Royster >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >> > Manual >> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >> > the >> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >> > Auction? >> > >> > Francis Maciel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 12 17:39:00 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:39:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT References: <001301c95c5e$b3f37d50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><4CD56EFE107F4CFBACE9310D650D3650@your9e74d7efa7> <003901c95caa$7a01bde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <50352264B54B4059AC81F073CB0E7E6A@PETER> The Chinese will see to that Peter >> With the looming demise of the Amercan automotive industry we could well >> be >> looking at the end of the S.A.E. thread form .> You will now have to go >> Metric ! >>>>>>>>>>> > Bwaaahahahahah hahahahaaa aaaahahahahhahahaaahahahaa . I wish ! > > > > Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 12 18:51:00 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:51:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis query In-Reply-To: <005301c95cc0$05d57040$6b74eedc@fred> Message-ID: David: If you're talking about babbit, electrolysis using washing soda (sodium carbonate) or sodium bicarbonate is harmless to it. I wouldn't try it on pot metal. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Brian Watts > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 07:14 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis query > > > BlankHi List Guys, > Need to know if Whitemetal corrodes if placed in > Electrolysis, we have a stuck sideshaft that has > whitemetal bushes so can`t use much heat. > > David Watts (03) 87616332 > damewatt at bigpond.com From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 12 17:49:29 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:49:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis Message-ID: <013b01c95cc5$0d9a0480$6b74eedc@fred> BlankHi List Guys, Need to know if Whitemetal corrodes if placed in Electrolysis, we have a stuck sideshaft that has whitemetal bushes so can`t use much heat. David Watts. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 12 18:06:29 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:06:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis query In-Reply-To: <005301c95cc0$05d57040$6b74eedc@fred> References: <005301c95cc0$05d57040$6b74eedc@fred> Message-ID: <702713DB-54D8-415B-99B7-515200119F5F@rustyiron.com> On Dec 12, 2008, at 5:13 PM, Brian Watts wrote: > BlankHi List Guys, > Need to know if Whitemetal corrodes if placed in Electrolysis, we > have a stuck sideshaft that has whitemetal bushes so can`t use much > heat. > > David Watts (03) 87616332 > damewatt at bigpond.com > > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > It will work fine, as long as you don't hook up the polarity backwards. Just remember back to high school chemistry. Your metal oxide molecules are composed of the metal, which is positively charged, and oxygen, which is negatively charged. Hook up your work to the negative side, and the electricity will blast off the oxygen (like charges repel) and leave the base metal alone. From jthall at worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 12 20:34:50 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:34:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT References: <001301c95c5e$b3f37d50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <4CD56EFE107F4CFBACE9310D650D3650@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <003801c95cdc$23cb0d00$c7d14c0c@D48VHZ61> We'll consider it just as soon as the Europeans give up Whitworth! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT > With the looming demise of the Amercan automotive industry we could well > be > looking at the end of the S.A.E. thread form . > You will now have to go Metric ! From george at irontrader.com Fri Dec 12 21:18:04 2008 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:18:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT In-Reply-To: <003801c95cdc$23cb0d00$c7d14c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <001301c95c5e$b3f37d50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <4CD56EFE107F4CFBACE9310D650D3650@your9e74d7efa7> <003801c95cdc$23cb0d00$c7d14c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <000a01c95ce2$2d923290$88b697b0$@com> Doesn't matter if new cars have any SAE bolts and nuts or not. We collect antique engines, and they won't change to metric! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:35 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT We'll consider it just as soon as the Europeans give up Whitworth! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SAE origins please..heading OT > With the looming demise of the Amercan automotive industry we could well > be > looking at the end of the S.A.E. thread form . > You will now have to go Metric ! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From george at irontrader.com Fri Dec 12 21:25:03 2008 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:25:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <066cf922348e9aadc41dfb70eccf2d38.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <066cf922348e9aadc41dfb70eccf2d38.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000001c95ce3$274c1940$75e44bc0$@com> Arnie, That's the air intake tube. It draws air from the crankcase area. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! George, WHat's that sorta brass-looking cylinder (looks to be maybe 3" in dia) that runs parallel to the cylinder of the Ingeco? NICE looking engine BTW! See ya, Arnie > Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, then > this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From astfgl at iamnota.org Fri Dec 12 22:30:36 2008 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:30:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <982288.86796.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <982288.86796.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4943568C.6080504@iamnota.org> I have two of them here. Is that unusual? It strikes me as an easy way of simplifying the engine mechanics and would keep costs down. Both engines are Imperial Super-Diesels, models FF and C, made by AH McDonald in Melbourne. The push rod opens the exhaust valve on the forward stroke, and on the backstroke it opens the intake valve and actuates the fuel injector. Cheers, glen. William Young wrote: > On the other hand, how many of you lads have seen a western 4 cycle engine with both intake and exhaust valves operated by one push rod? From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 12 23:17:09 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:17:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis Message-ID: <00cf01c95cf2$d23e9e90$6b74eedc@fred> BlankThanks Guys for the emails with the sideshaft, I know now what to do. David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 12 23:30:22 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:30:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <00ea01c95cf4$ac1c6f10$6b74eedc@fred> BlankHaving email problems, From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Dec 12 23:40:31 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:40:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test email Message-ID: <3AAAE05705A845EEAF3E0A7A8C0B8935@loungeroom> Hi Guys Brian Watts is sending emails to SEL and when they arrive the message is in a text attachment, why?????? I am trying to help Brian with this problem. Peter Lowe, Oz From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Fri Dec 12 23:43:18 2008 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:43:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001901c95cf6$7be97f20$73bc7d60$@net.au> Peter Found this interesting. Looked at some books that I have and in Dykes Automotive and Gasoline Engine Encyclopedia (14th edition) the author refers to SAE as the Society of Automotive Engineers. He goes on to talk about thread sizes and bolts and spanners made to fit the uts and bolts as S.A.E. He also refers to another standard at the time called USS. Can copy the pages and send them if you are interested Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 18:46 To: Oldengine.org; ATIS Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please Hi Guys What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what it means until I just stumbled across something on the Web today to do with R&V. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Dec 13 00:36:51 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:36:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please References: <001901c95cf6$7be97f20$73bc7d60$@net.au> Message-ID: Hi Steve The Society of Automotive Engineers started out as the Society of Automobile Engineers. William Vandervoort of R&V Engines and Moline cars was a president at one stage. Their yearly transcations are interesting reading. Peter, Oz > Peter > Found this interesting. Looked at some books that I have and in Dykes > Automotive and Gasoline Engine Encyclopedia (14th edition) the author > refers > to SAE as the Society of Automotive Engineers. He goes on to talk about > thread sizes and bolts and spanners made to fit the uts and bolts as > S.A.E. > He also refers to another standard at the time called USS. > > Can copy the pages and send them if you are interested > > Steve > > Steve and Denise Kitto > 95 Coleyville Road > Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 > Ph 07 54671541 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Friday, 12 December 2008 18:46 > To: Oldengine.org; ATIS > Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please > > Hi Guys > > What is the origin or wording behind the wrench sizes SAE, does SAE stand > for Society of Automotive Engineers ???? > I have heard of SAE as we all have, but never bothered to work out what it > means until I just stumbled across something on the Web today to do with > R&V. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat Dec 13 00:39:47 2008 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:39:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Testing Message-ID: <011101c95cfe$5c961cc0$6b74eedc@fred> I think I have found my problem From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 05:18:39 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:18:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <6f6025160812130518odc4bb84x80c3dfcf58d03f7e@mail.gmail.com> Gradually getting there. We have the rear gable end finished off, and the builders are on the front gable end now. That is from the floor of the first floor up to the apex of the roof. Sent Rita out to get some Jigsaw blades, and while she was out, I made merry with a wrecking hammer and big crowbar, demolished most of the bedroom walls, ready for the new 6" block wall that is going in place of the old studwork (timber and plasterboard) to support the roof trusses just to one side of centre. My God! The MESS it makes! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 05:23:29 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:23:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <4943568C.6080504@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <465811.43590.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Glen-san,? Sounds like your engines may be quite modern.? How old?.??I had never seen such an engine in USA.? Maybe they are not as rare as I thought.? Any USA engines of that nature around?? European?? Bill I have two of them here. Is that unusual? It strikes me as an easy way of simplifying the engine mechanics and would keep costs down. Both engines are Imperial Super-Diesels, models FF and C, made by AH McDonald in Melbourne. The push rod opens the exhaust valve on the forward stroke, and on the backstroke it opens the intake valve and actuates the fuel injector. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 13 06:01:08 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:01:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <4943568C.6080504@iamnota.org> References: <982288.86796.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4943568C.6080504@iamnota.org> Message-ID: > William Young wrote: >> > On the other hand, how many of you lads have seen a western 4 cycle > engine with both intake and exhaust valves operated by one push rod? Don't forget the Baker Monitor and the single-valve Bovaird & Seyfang. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 13 09:08:13 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:08:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This has been a big engine month! In-Reply-To: <000001c95ce3$274c1940$75e44bc0$@com> References: <004401c9562d$910e7290$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <493827DD.5070407@rustic-engines.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059092F2E6E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <066cf922348e9aadc41dfb70eccf2d38.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> <000001c95ce3$274c1940$75e44bc0$@com> Message-ID: <1229188093.4943ebfd670bb@webmail.city-net.com> Hi George, NEAT. Is the intent to warm the air a bit since it's near to the cylinder water jacket or to provide a length where maybe the dust and wheat chaff could settle out? I've seen other engines where the air intake was inside the base hopefully sucking up cleaner air. See ya, Arnie Quoting George Best : > That's the air intake tube. > It draws air from the crankcase area. > > -----Original Message----- > What's that sorta brass-looking cylinder (looks to be maybe 3" in dia) > that runs parallel to the cylinder of the Ingeco? > > > Over a week ago I made a deal for a 18hp Stover tank cooled engine, then > > this weekend I made a deal for a 12hp Ingeco sideshaft. > > > > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/Ingeco12hp.jpg From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Dec 13 09:50:10 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:50:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SAE origins please In-Reply-To: <001901c95cf6$7be97f20$73bc7d60$@net.au> References: <001901c95cf6$7be97f20$73bc7d60$@net.au> Message-ID: On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:43 AM, Steven N Kitto wrote: > Peter > Found this interesting. Looked at some books that I have and in Dykes > Automotive and Gasoline Engine Encyclopedia (14th edition) the > author refers > to SAE as the Society of Automotive Engineers. > Steve Steve, Are you trying to tell us that they wrote a book on Automobiles and Engines before they started protesting the vote in KA? Dave From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 10:22:13 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:22:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <132924.46573.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rob-san,? Are any pictures available of those two engines, the Monitor?or the single-valve Bovaird & Seyfang? ? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Dec 13 12:09:56 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:09:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] steam car Message-ID: <78F7A676C63B4CCF97FB7BD2E6B6A662@reg6db4351094b> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/3690952/British-Steam-Car-in-successful-tests.html From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 13 12:43:14 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <132924.46573.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <132924.46573.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:22 AM, William Young wrote: > Rob-san, Are any pictures available of those two engines, the > Monitor or the single-valve Bovaird & Seyfang? Yessir, Young-san. Here's a YouTube video of a small Monitor running: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ye33aWDxDM Here's Craig Prucha's web page for his Bovaird restoration: http://antique-engine.com/previous/20bovaird/20bovaird.htm From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Dec 13 13:10:50 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:10:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] steam car Message-ID: <20081213.131050.1640.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Looks good Reg. When can we expect your working model of the car? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:09:56 +1100 "R & M Ingold" writes: > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/3690952/British-Steam-Car-in-suc cessful-tests.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1UFt71gMKAv9hKupkxAM1x0K4fnv0iYRMAwcfH1HCyEKyIt/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Dec 13 13:52:16 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:52:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] steam car References: <20081213.131050.1640.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <88BEBC805D7E47D5810B7A6B30D6A6E0@reg6db4351094b> Not my scene, this steam stuff. Had the link sent to me and thought to pass it on. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] steam car > Looks good Reg. When can we expect your working model of the car? > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:09:56 +1100 "R & M Ingold" > writes: >> >> >> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/3690952/British-Steam-Car-in-suc > cessful-tests.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career > to the next level. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1UFt71gMKAv9hKupkxAM1x0K4fnv0iYRMAwcfH1HCyEKyIt/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 13 15:09:16 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:09:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] steam car In-Reply-To: <78F7A676C63B4CCF97FB7BD2E6B6A662@reg6db4351094b> References: <78F7A676C63B4CCF97FB7BD2E6B6A662@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <65f4a9677b0ec1c8235e7150e3493288.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> Good grief. Everything old is new again... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Steamer http://www.stanleymotorcarriage.com/GeneralTechnical/GeneralInfo.htm See ya, Arnie > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/3690952/British-Steam-Car-in-successful-tests.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From astfgl at iamnota.org Sat Dec 13 15:17:56 2008 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:17:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Japanese Engine meets In-Reply-To: <465811.43590.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <465811.43590.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494442A4.9020907@iamnota.org> The smaller "C" was build in 1924/1925 and has some severe rust damage in the cylinder and big end. It was left out in the open with the vertical exhaust open and the oiler cap off, allowing rain water to enter. The "FF" was built in 1929 and is in relatively good condition. Cheers, glen. William Young wrote: > > Glen-san, Sounds like your engines may be quite modern. How old?. I had never seen such an engine in USA. Maybe they are not as rare as I thought. Any USA engines of that nature around? European? Bill From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Dec 13 17:14:06 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:14:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] steam car In-Reply-To: <65f4a9677b0ec1c8235e7150e3493288.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> References: <78F7A676C63B4CCF97FB7BD2E6B6A662@reg6db4351094b> <65f4a9677b0ec1c8235e7150e3493288.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <2F7ABAD4-738A-43EF-8C85-CAAF5A677FFD@alltel.net> ONLY if you are from the UK! Dave On Dec 13, 2008, at 6:09 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Good grief. Everything old is new again... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Steamer > http://www.stanleymotorcarriage.com/GeneralTechnical/GeneralInfo.htm > > See ya, Arnie > >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/3690952/British-Steam-Car-in-successful-tests.html > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Dec 13 17:19:46 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:19:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] steam car In-Reply-To: <88BEBC805D7E47D5810B7A6B30D6A6E0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20081213.131050.1640.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <88BEBC805D7E47D5810B7A6B30D6A6E0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <0A157870-99D4-4AE5-9E21-DD54F98026BF@alltel.net> I don't know Reg. I'm not sure that internal combustion engines are going to catch on--even with the bail out! Dave On Dec 13, 2008, at 4:52 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Not my scene, this steam stuff. > Had the link sent to me and thought to pass it on. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] steam car > > >> Looks good Reg. When can we expect your working model of the car? >> >> Ron Haskell From obise at moscow.com Sat Dec 13 19:04:36 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:04:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] steam car In-Reply-To: <78F7A676C63B4CCF97FB7BD2E6B6A662@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <200812140304.mBE34lek026027@mail-gw.fsr.net> Very interesting! Thank you for the link, Reg. I enjoy hearing about steam things. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:10 PM To: List SEL Subject: [SEL] steam car http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/3690952/British-Steam-Car-in-succes sful-tests.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From swebre at hotmail.com Sat Dec 13 19:53:59 2008 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:53:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, $100? Not yet. I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... What are YOU waiting for? -Steve- Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 bucks i would think!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's > gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. > > That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Steve Webre : > >> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >> >> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >> >> Mike Royster >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >> > Manual >> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >> > the >> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >> > Auction? >> > >> > Francis Maciel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Dec 14 09:54:03 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:54:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 References: Message-ID: <001701c95e14$f3eb22c0$66674b47@mikecomp> I'll sell you mine!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > > Mike, > > $100? Not yet. I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... > > What are YOU waiting for? > > -Steve- > > > Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 bucks > i > would think!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > > >> Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's >> gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. >> >> That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Steve Webre : >> >>> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >>> >>> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >>> >>> -Steve- >>> >>> >>> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >>> >>> Mike Royster >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >>> > Manual >>> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >>> > the >>> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >>> > Auction? >>> > >>> > Francis Maciel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Dec 14 12:57:52 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:57:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: Bwaaaaaaa Haaaaaaa!!! To tell something like that this close to Christmas!!!@ Bwaaaaa haaaaaa! The TRUTH from the Other Royster All of mine run at home, None of mine run at shows! What kind of ratio is that? Steve Royster> From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > All mine run. Some just havent run in a long time. Some are missing parts > OK Ok, almost all of my engines run but 3, I think.> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 PM> Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >I was just thinking that out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have> > at home, I've only had 2 of them running. Two of the others would> > probably run if I spent a day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the> > ignition working. The other two should be considered as future projects> > as they are either stuck or need repairs before they would run.> >> > I usually try to buy running engines as I know I'm terrible about> > finding time to work on the non-running engines.> >> > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out weigh my runners by 2 to 1.> >> > Does anyone have all their engines in running condition? Meaning, if a> > visitor came to your place could you run the engine to show them how it> > run.> >> > Does anyone have multiple engines and none of them are in running> > condition?> >> > Or what ratio of runners to non-runners do you have?> >> > At what point do you decide you've got so many non-runners that you'd> > better stop buying more engines until you get some of your old ones> > running? ( I know that answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals> > you just can't pass up ;-) )> >> > George> >> >> > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > > from your system.> >> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 14 13:27:40 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:27:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] steam car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "The British Steam Car's target velocity is 170mph, which would net them one of the longest-held speed records, set by Fred Marriott, who achieved a 121.57mph flying kilometre record in the Stanley brothers' Rocket at the 1906 Florida Speed Week. The target speed will also net the team and its principal backer and record-breaking driver Charles Burnett the records for the kilometre and the mile, as well as beating Sir Nigel Gresley's 126mph 1938 Mallard steam locomotive, the world's fastest steam loco." Wow. British engineering now feels it has a chance to break records that are 102 and 82 years old? Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 14 16:41:55 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:41:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <16bd105826921eecfe4213cca62214fe.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6A8D6D008A0A4394A9FDC69161A9A609@larue10ijlvccx> Arnie, I've been in NY picking up some iron and just got home. It was a Miami engine I has at Portland. Someone had taken it apart and tried to make a woodsplitter out of it. It had been hacked on so bad I had to have a pattern made and a new cylinder cast. Definitely a runner now! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 6:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Hey Tommy, given the sad original condition of some of the rare beasts you do restore to full splendor, I think you can be forgiven. Wasn't it the Ohio that you brought to Portland one year? And about all you had to start with was the left mounting screw for the name plate and you had to fabricate all of the rest of the engine? I may have exaggerated just a trifle. 8-)) See ya, Arnie > My ratio is BAD..... > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 12/13/2008 4:56 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 12/13/2008 4:56 PM From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Dec 14 17:28:46 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:28:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> I don't think my brother's (who suffers from chronic "convenient memory") statement is entirely correct. I don't think the Bamford (or "Limey Bastard" as he so affectionately calls it) has run in years, maybe decades. And as well as I remember there is a two tone Stickney that fired at Portland 5 years ago and never since. Then there is the Foos he got at Arden 7 years ago that has never drawn a breath. Oh the shame of it all!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners > > Bwaaaaaaa Haaaaaaa!!! To tell something like that this close to > Christmas!!!@ Bwaaaaa haaaaaa! The TRUTH from the Other Royster All of > mine run at home, None of mine run at shows! What kind of ratio is that? > Steve Royster> From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0500> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > All mine run. Some just > havent run in a long time. Some are missing parts > OK Ok, almost all of > my engines run but 3, I think.> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 > PM> Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >I was just thinking that > out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have> > at home, I've only had > 2 of them running. Two of the others would> > probably run if I spent a > day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the> > ignition working. The other > two! > should be considered as future projects> > as they are either stuck or > need repairs before they would run.> >> > I usually try to buy running > engines as I know I'm terrible about> > finding time to work on the > non-running engines.> >> > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out > weigh my runners by 2 to 1.> >> > Does anyone have all their engines in > running condition? Meaning, if a> > visitor came to your place could you > run the engine to show them how it> > run.> >> > Does anyone have multiple > engines and none of them are in running> > condition?> >> > Or what ratio > of runners to non-runners do you have?> >> > At what point do you decide > you've got so many non-runners that you'd> > better stop buying more > engines until you get some of your old ones> > running? ( I know that > answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals> > you just can't pass up > ;-) )> >> > George> >> >> > This message and any attachments are intended > only for the use of the > > addressee and may conta! > in information that is privileged and confidential. > > If the reader > of the message is not the intended recipient or an > > authorized > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > > notified that > any dissemination of this communication is strictly > > prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error, please > > notify us > immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > > from > your system.> >> > _______________________________________________> > SEL > mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _________________________________________________________________ > You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From swebre at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 10:04:53 2008 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:04:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Coward. :) -Steve- --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: mr at carolina.rr.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:54:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 I'll sell you mine!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > Mike, > > $100? Not yet. I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... > > What are YOU waiting for? > > -Steve- > > > Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 bucks > i > would think!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 > > >> Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's >> gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. >> >> That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Steve Webre : >> >>> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >>> >>> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >>> >>> -Steve- >>> >>> >>> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >>> >>> Mike Royster >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >>> > Manual >>> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >>> > the >>> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >>> > Auction? >>> > >>> > Francis Maciel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 10:47:29 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:47:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: Oh Dear Brother, let's be careful!!!! How about the Novo "stationary engine" that's been anchoriing your workbench for the last decade, Speaking of Anchor , how about the rare Lathrop boat anchor you have, Or the real rare Alamo Tray cooled vertical that Vinny Cavalere donated to your museum if you would get it going. Or the Big 6 hp Novo that I ruined my eyes welding up your cam gear years ago. Or the Carlisle and finch paperweight on your desk , Or the Stewart little Major that hasn't moved since it was stolen from under your blue tarps and you chased the thief through a schoolyard full of little children, causing him a long prison sentence whereby he Died in Prison because of you! Do you feel bad now because I can keep going for hours about your "running "engines. How about all those engines I generously hauled home for you from far away places..... and they rust away in your back forty..... How shameful.... Your loving caring brother, Steve ps, and we shan't forget the "Elmyra" either! pps, Or the Hercules that used to run until it ran through your shop wall unattended! > From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:28:46 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > I don't think my brother's (who suffers from chronic "convenient memory") > statement is entirely correct. I don't think the Bamford (or "Limey > Bastard" as he so affectionately calls it) has run in years, maybe decades. > And as well as I remember there is a two tone Stickney that fired at > Portland 5 years ago and never since. Then there is the Foos he got at > Arden 7 years ago that has never drawn a breath. Oh the shame of it all!!!!> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:57 PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >> > Bwaaaaaaa Haaaaaaa!!! To tell something like that this close to > > Christmas!!!@ Bwaaaaa haaaaaa! The TRUTH from the Other Royster All of > > mine run at home, None of mine run at shows! What kind of ratio is that? > > Steve Royster> From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: > > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0500> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > All mine run. Some just > > havent run in a long time. Some are missing parts > OK Ok, almost all of > > my engines run but 3, I think.> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:50 > > PM> Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >I was just thinking that > > out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have> > at home, I've only had > > 2 of them running. Two of the others would> > probably run if I spent a > > day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the> > ignition working. The other > > two!> > should be considered as future projects> > as they are either stuck or > > need repairs before they would run.> >> > I usually try to buy running > > engines as I know I'm terrible about> > finding time to work on the > > non-running engines.> >> > At this time I'd say my non-runners must out > > weigh my runners by 2 to 1.> >> > Does anyone have all their engines in > > running condition? Meaning, if a> > visitor came to your place could you > > run the engine to show them how it> > run.> >> > Does anyone have multiple > > engines and none of them are in running> > condition?> >> > Or what ratio > > of runners to non-runners do you have?> >> > At what point do you decide > > you've got so many non-runners that you'd> > better stop buying more > > engines until you get some of your old ones> > running? ( I know that > > answer: NEVER! As there are too many good deals> > you just can't pass up > > ;-) )> >> > George> >> >> > This message and any attachments are intended > > only for the use of the > > addressee and may conta!> > in information that is privileged and confidential. > > If the reader> > of the message is not the intended recipient or an > > authorized > > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > > notified that > > any dissemination of this communication is strictly > > prohibited. If you > > have received this communication in error, please > > notify us > > immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > > from > > your system.> >> > _______________________________________________> > SEL > > mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > _________________________________________________________________> > You live life online. So we put Windows on the web.> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There?s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 15 11:24:07 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:24:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <1229369047.4946aed71253e@webmail.city-net.com> Bless their hearts.... 8->>>> Quoting Steve Royster : > Oh Dear Brother, let's be careful!!!! > How about the Novo "stationary engine" that's been anchoriing your > workbench for the last decade, Speaking of Anchor , how about the rare > Lathrop boat anchor you have, Or the real rare Alamo Tray cooled vertical > that Vinny Cavalere donated to your museum if you would get it going. Or the > Big 6 hp Novo that I ruined my eyes welding up your cam gear years ago. Or > the Carlisle and finch paperweight on your desk , Or the Stewart little > Major that hasn't moved since it was stolen from under your blue tarps and > you chased the thief through a schoolyard full of little children, causing > him a long prison sentence whereby he Died in Prison because of you! Do you > feel bad now because I can keep going for hours about your "running "engines. > How about all those engines I generously hauled home for you from far away > places..... and they rust away in your back forty..... How shameful.... Your > loving caring brother, Steve > ps, and we shan't forget the "Elmyra" either! > pps, Or the Hercules that used to run until it ran through your shop wall > unattended! > > > From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, > 14 Dec 2008 20:28:46 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > I > don't think my brother's (who suffers from chronic "convenient memory") > > statement is entirely correct. I don't think the Bamford (or "Limey > > Bastard" as he so affectionately calls it) has run in years, maybe decades. > > And as well as I remember there is a two tone Stickney that fired at > > Portland 5 years ago and never since. Then there is the Foos he got at > > Arden 7 years ago that has never drawn a breath. Oh the shame of it all!!!!> From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 15 12:01:28 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:01:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] steam car References: <20081213.131050.1640.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><88BEBC805D7E47D5810B7A6B30D6A6E0@reg6db4351094b> <0A157870-99D4-4AE5-9E21-DD54F98026BF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <011201c95eef$eb694830$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I don't know Reg. I'm not sure that internal combustion engines are > going to catch on--even with the bail out! > Dave>>>> Is it too late to save Buffalo Springfield ? chuck http://chuckspickins.blogspot.com/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 12:42:20 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:42:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <1229369047.4946aed71253e@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> <1229369047.4946aed71253e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812151242o60cba3aaxc7e7c816654dda84@mail.gmail.com> On 15/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Bless their hearts.... 8->>>> Nothing like brotherly love! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Dec 15 12:57:36 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:57:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Once again I'm a bit late getting into this thread. Great thread George-thanks. I feel quite ashamed of my endeavors in this field. On a scale of "one to ten" Reg would be a 10 and I'd be a minus 4. I have about (??) 12 engines restored and another 4 that I bought as "restored engines" but they are standing out in the shed (as unrestored) because the so called "restorations" were not up to my standard (sorry Guys, I'm really not trying to be "big headed" here - they are all running - but the "finish is just not up to the standard that I prefer and they need to be taken off the railway sleepers and put onto better trolleys with better wheels). Then I have 4 engines that have been "restored to working condition" but I have not had the time to paint them or mount them on trolley's. I then have another possibly 10 or 12 engines that would run with just a little work - ie., they are complete and "loose". They just need some time and a little love to get them going. I have not had this time in the last year or so either. Then I have 5 engines (does Maytag count ??) in various stages of restoration just waiting for me to sort out and order parts. These range from Maytag Twins to the 12H.P. Witte CD diesel. Then, and here comes the crunch, I have another 30 to 40 engines ranging from scrap iron to "maybe I will get to them one day" (although I seriously doubt this). I think that these engines are amongst the most important in my collection and that is because I've saved then from the "scrappie" and, by the same token, from that big melting pot in China. They are safe and all stored under cover and they do not owe me a cent. Be they "parts engines" or whatever - they are safe and quite happy where they are. They are also not "rare" engines, just common old engines (Lister D's, Wolseley WD's and the like) but they all love their retirement home. One day in the future they (or their parts) will spring to life again (probably after I'm long gone) and someone will treat them with the respect that they deserve and show them off to the world (Oh well, South Africa at least - if petrol is still available :-)). As most of you know, I'm still a newbie to this hobby (sickness) I only got infected in 2004 and do not have any really serious "old iron" but I love what I've got and respect all you guys with all the "good stuff". I've got a few old engines here that are much older than me and they look so much better than I do !! That's all for now Guys (and Gals) gotta go and get my beauty sleep (it does not help!). Oh! I forgot to work out the ratio, which was what started this thread - well I'm too tired for "Maths" right now so do it yourselves !! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Mon Dec 15 13:52:02 2008 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:52:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pictures of a couple of Japanese engines i ran into Message-ID: The recent thread about Japanese engines reminded me of a couple of engines I saw last fall while in Japan on business. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2546115450034927251jkQsAi http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2741631170034927251sFVNuQ http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2161650800034927251UNoGVM The Japanese gentleman I was with spoke little English, but he was able to "tell" me he had used a small hit and miss engine for pumping water when he was a young boy. He used his hands to show how the engine hit and coasted. Ken Erman ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 15 13:54:19 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:54:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Here's another topic. What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together. I've got 3 such engines. This year I took apart my 1910 Ceres vertical engine to replace the wrist pin and clean it up. It is still apart although I do have a new wrist pin for it. This was a runner until I took it apart ;-) About 5 years ago I started working on a 5hp flutted hopper Aermotor. It is still sitting in the shop with nothing done to it the last several years. Ted Brookover restored the ignitor and Webster for me on that engine. I thought after I had the mag done, it wouldn't take long to finish the engine, but it still sits. Probably close to 8 years ago I took a nice 3hp F-M Z apart to paint it. I got it painted, but have never put it back together. Haven't touched it in many years, except to move it. It would be a nice engine as it is a very early plug oscillator engine with an aftermarket Wico EK conversion. Only engine I've seen with the Wico replacement bracket that replaces the plug oscillator. No really good excuses for not completing these engines except I'm much better at taking things apart than putting them together. Seems like something more interesting to do always seems to come up ;-) George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 15 14:25:26 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:25:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <00c401c95f04$07b0e070$66674b47@mikecomp> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Oh Dear Brother, let's be careful!!!! How about the Novo "stationary engine" that's been anchoriing your workbench for the last decade, Speaking of Anchor , how about the rare Lathrop boat anchor you have, Or the real rare Alamo Tray cooled vertical that Vinny Cavalere donated to your museum if you would get it going. Or the Big 6 hp Novo that I ruined my eyes welding up your cam gear years ago. Or the Carlisle and finch paperweight on your desk , Or the Stewart little Major that hasn't moved since it was stolen from under your blue tarps and you chased the thief through a schoolyard full of little children, causing him a long prison sentence whereby he Died in Prison because of you! Do you feel bad now because I can keep going for hours about your "running "engines. How about all those engines I generously hauled home for you from far away places..... and they rust away in your back forty..... How shameful.... Your loving caring brother, Steve ps, and we shan't forget the "Elmyra" either! pps, Or the Hercules that used to run until it ran through your shop wall unattended! > From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, > 14 Dec 2008 20:28:46 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > I > don't think my brother's (who suffers from chronic "convenient memory") > > statement is entirely correct. I don't think the Bamford (or "Limey > > Bastard" as he so affectionately calls it) has run in years, maybe > decades. > And as well as I remember there is a two tone Stickney that > fired at > Portland 5 years ago and never since. Then there is the Foos he > got at > Arden 7 years ago that has never drawn a breath. Oh the shame of > it all!!!!> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Royster" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:57 > PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >> > Bwaaaaaaa > Haaaaaaa!!! To tell something like that this close to > > Christmas!!!@ > Bwaaaaa haaaaaa! The TRUTH from the Other Royster All of > > mine run at > home, None of mine run at shows! What kind of ratio is that? > > Steve > Royster> From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: > > > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0500> > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > All mine run. Some just > > > havent run in a long time. Some are missing parts > OK Ok, almost all of > > > my engines run but 3, I think.> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion > list" > > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, > 2008 4:50 > > PM> Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >I was just > thinking that > > out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have> > at > home, I've only had > > 2 of them running. Two of the others would> > > probably run if I spent a > > day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the> > > ignition working. The other > > two!> > should be considered as future > projects> > as they are either stuck or > > need repairs before they would > run.> >> > I usually try to buy running > > engines as I know I'm terrible > about> > finding time to work on the > > non-running engines.> >> > At > this time I'd say my non-runners must out > > weigh my runners by 2 to 1.> > >> > Does anyone have all their engines in > > running condition? Meaning, > if a> > visitor came to your place could you > > run the engine to show > them how it> > run.> >> > Does anyone have multiple > > engines and none > of them are in running> > condition?> >> > Or what ratio > > of runners to > non-runners do you have?> >> > At what point do you decide > > you've got > so many non-runners that you'd> > better stop buying more > > engines > until you get some of your old ones> > running? ( I know that > > answer: > NEVER! As there are too many good deals> > you just can't pass up > > > ;-) )> >> > George> >> >> > This message and any attachments are intended > > > only for the use of the > > addressee and may conta!> > in information > that is privileged and confidential. > > If the reader> > of the message > is not the intended recipient or an > > authorized > > representative of > the intended recipient, you are hereby > > notified that > > any > dissemination of this communication is strictly > > prohibited. If you > > > have received this communication in error, please > > notify us > > > immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > > from > > > your system.> >> > _______________________________________________> > > SEL > > mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > _________________________________________________________________> > You > live life online. So we put Windows on the web.> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/> > > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There?s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 15 14:39:59 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:39:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners References: <000001c95996$d138d920$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><200812091751.mB9HpI3H073153@mail-gw.fsr.net><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059093E5AD7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><003201c95bfc$0f2f15c0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000601c95e54$7bb038a0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <00c701c95f06$0ff49720$66674b47@mikecomp> Oh so that's the way we are going to play this game is it? I see that "convenient memory" has clouded your view, much like the anal glacoma from which you suffer so severely! Now I do admit I may be a bit tardy with both the Novos and the Lathrop, But the Stewart, C&F, and Hercules have all run within the past year (or is it two?) definitely. The Alamo lacks quite a bit to be a runner, but now that Curt Holland is an expert in putting one back I am sure to have it within the decade!!! As far as the "Elmyra" , if only my brother could control his "love hormones" he could visit his own shop and maybe we could both tidy up a few loose ends. It should please you to know I only have 2 non-runners under tarps these days after Curt Holland so insesitively called my back forty "tarp city" a few years ago!!! As for my brother Steve, there are so many engines under tarps around his house it looks like a panoramic view of silver clumps no matter which window from which you stare! And lastly, that beautiful 6hp Gade that lives in your basement and once held the record for the most cover shots in GEM magazine; is it still in pieces waiting on that simple fuel line cleanout for 3 years now????? Your loving brother, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Oh Dear Brother, let's be careful!!!! How about the Novo "stationary engine" that's been anchoriing your workbench for the last decade, Speaking of Anchor , how about the rare Lathrop boat anchor you have, Or the real rare Alamo Tray cooled vertical that Vinny Cavalere donated to your museum if you would get it going. Or the Big 6 hp Novo that I ruined my eyes welding up your cam gear years ago. Or the Carlisle and finch paperweight on your desk , Or the Stewart little Major that hasn't moved since it was stolen from under your blue tarps and you chased the thief through a schoolyard full of little children, causing him a long prison sentence whereby he Died in Prison because of you! Do you feel bad now because I can keep going for hours about your "running "engines. How about all those engines I generously hauled home for you from far away places..... and they rust away in your back forty..... How shameful.... Your loving caring brother, Steve ps, and we shan't forget the "Elmyra" either! pps, Or the Hercules that used to run until it ran through your shop wall unattended! > From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sun, > 14 Dec 2008 20:28:46 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > I > don't think my brother's (who suffers from chronic "convenient memory") > > statement is entirely correct. I don't think the Bamford (or "Limey > > Bastard" as he so affectionately calls it) has run in years, maybe > decades. > And as well as I remember there is a two tone Stickney that > fired at > Portland 5 years ago and never since. Then there is the Foos he > got at > Arden 7 years ago that has never drawn a breath. Oh the shame of > it all!!!!> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Royster" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:57 > PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >> > Bwaaaaaaa > Haaaaaaa!!! To tell something like that this close to > > Christmas!!!@ > Bwaaaaa haaaaaa! The TRUTH from the Other Royster All of > > mine run at > home, None of mine run at shows! What kind of ratio is that? > > Steve > Royster> From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: > > > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0500> > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > All mine run. Some just > > > havent run in a long time. Some are missing parts > OK Ok, almost all of > > > my engines run but 3, I think.> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion > list" > > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, > 2008 4:50 > > PM> Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > >I was just > thinking that > > out of the last 6 engines I've bought, and have> > at > home, I've only had > > 2 of them running. Two of the others would> > > probably run if I spent a > > day to get a fuel supply hooked up and the> > > ignition working. The other > > two!> > should be considered as future > projects> > as they are either stuck or > > need repairs before they would > run.> >> > I usually try to buy running > > engines as I know I'm terrible > about> > finding time to work on the > > non-running engines.> >> > At > this time I'd say my non-runners must out > > weigh my runners by 2 to 1.> > >> > Does anyone have all their engines in > > running condition? Meaning, > if a> > visitor came to your place could you > > run the engine to show > them how it> > run.> >> > Does anyone have multiple > > engines and none > of them are in running> > condition?> >> > Or what ratio > > of runners to > non-runners do you have?> >> > At what point do you decide > > you've got > so many non-runners that you'd> > better stop buying more > > engines > until you get some of your old ones> > running? ( I know that > > answer: > NEVER! 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So we put Windows on the web.> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/> > > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There?s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Mon Dec 15 14:46:53 2008 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:46:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Can this happen to the United States ???? Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Onebuck54 at aol.com To: martybelding at yahoo.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Can this happen to the United States ???? Get prepared. Stand together. A Little Gun History Lesson In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, un able to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. --------------------------- Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ---------------------------- Guatemala established gun control in 1964.. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and extermi nated. ------------------------------ Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. ------------------------------ It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers mo re than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! It will never happen here? ; Hah, I bet the Aussies said that too! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politic ians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson. With Guns.............We Are 'Citizens'. Without Them........We Are 'Subjects'.. During W.W. II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED ! < B>Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attache to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country. It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had guns. If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control mess age to all your -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Dec 15 15:05:50 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:05:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <72090266-62FE-4687-88D2-A636F0212740@alltel.net> > > Oh! I forgot to work out the ratio, which was what started > this > thread - well I'm too tired for "Maths" right now so do it > yourselves !! > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans Whatever the ratio is, the MAYTAG does NOT count! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 15 14:55:40 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:55:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> Hi George, I've got two engines in that condition. One, a 5 hp Lister CS rad cooled that's got stuck governor weights. Should be simple, just pull the side plate off, but because of the rad fan drive belt pulley, you _just_ can't get the plate off. Without pulling the flywheel that is. 8-(( I'm currently leaning toward shortening the studs for the cover plate. The second one is a 3 hp CH&E factory mudpump rig. I pulled the head and piston to fix the broken-off drip oiler pipe (through the hopper into the cylinder). That job was finished quickly, but some distraction set in and the bits never got put back together. I sure do HOPE I can put my paws on all of the bits when "The Time" comes. 8-)) Great thread starter question!! See ya, Arnie Quoting "Best, George" : > Here's another topic. > > What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are > engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other > projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together. > > I've got 3 such engines. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 15 14:35:41 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:35:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Pictures of a couple of Japanese engines i ran into References: Message-ID: Gee, that Webshots site is a pain with all the ads!! I gave up on your pics. Each time I had to fight to see the pic due to the pop ups. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Erman" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Pictures of a couple of Japanese engines i ran into > The recent thread about Japanese engines reminded me of a couple of > engines I saw last fall while in Japan on business. > > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2546115450034927251jkQsAi > > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2741631170034927251sFVNuQ > > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2161650800034927251UNoGVM > > > > The Japanese gentleman I was with spoke little English, but he was able > to "tell" me he had used a small hit and miss engine for pumping water > when he was a young boy. He used his hands to show how the engine hit > and coasted. > > > > Ken Erman > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > CNC Software, Inc. > www.mastercam.com > ********************************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 15 15:03:08 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:03:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pictures of a couple of Japanese engines i ran into In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229382188.4946e22c00891@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Ken, The "hand signs" are one of the things that I really enjoy about watching the spectators at an engine show. You don't need to hear what they're saying; just watch their hands. They either "get it" or they don't have a clue. See ya, Arnie Quoting Ken Erman : > The Japanese gentleman I was with spoke little English, but he was able > to "tell" me he had used a small hit and miss engine for pumping water > when he was a young boy. He used his hands to show how the engine hit > and coasted. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 15 15:21:19 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:21:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <571A7C68-F6E2-4BAD-B444-BAC4A50C8353@rustyiron.com> On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Best, George wrote: > What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Hi George, The only engine I have in pieces is the one I'm currently working on. About a decade ago I started work on a small Jack of All Trades. The Victory Oil Motor came along, and work on the Fairbanks came to a halt. After that, more exciting projects were always taking priority, so I eventually pedaled the Jack. Yes, I could have got a LOT more for it by finishing it, but life is short, and I don't do this to make money. The other engine that I stalled on was an Allan Bros. We got started on it, somehow lost focus, and that was that. We would put in a good day's worth of work on her about once a year, but never got back in the groove. She could end up a "knock your socks off" engine, but not at the pace we were going. It made more sense to sell her to someone with more discipline than us. Again, the price was lower than on a finished engine, but at least I know longer have the guilt of knowing I'm a slacker. My advice? If you've lost interest in a particular engine, it's unlikely that it will ever excite you again. Sell it to someone who will care for it, and move on to something else. If you need help, I know a lady who publishes a newsletter full of classifieds for old engines. I'll put in a good word and she might place an ad for you. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Dec 15 16:59:48 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:59:48 EST Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners Message-ID: In a message dated 12/15/2008 1:58:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve_royster at hotmail.com writes: How about all those engines I generously hauled home for you from far away places..... and they rust away in your back forty..... How shameful.... Steve, I thought it would be nice for you to stop by my place sometime, but now not so sure. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Dec 15 17:19:34 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:19:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <007a01c95f1c$5bb4ac20$a5d04c0c@D48VHZ61> Here is my list; 1 1/2 hp Lauson been apart and in storage for about 3 years--no immediate plans to resurrect it in the near future. 1 1/2 hp JD--Magneto self destructed/exploded 10+ years ago. Every time I get enough cash for a new mag another more pressing project comes along. We did get a 2-man Mall chainsaw running last year--it had been almost 20 years since we first worked on it. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years > Here's another topic. > > What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are > engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other > projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together. > From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Mon Dec 15 17:38:07 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:38:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <007a01c95f1c$5bb4ac20$a5d04c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <03b201c95f1e$f2c3ddf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Hey guys I got the Tod put back together so I don't want to hear any excuses why your little engines are still in pieces! :-) http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2620390000033749120xdDfxE?vhost=good-times Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years > Here is my list; > > 1 1/2 hp Lauson been apart and in storage for about 3 years--no immediate > plans to resurrect it in the near future. > > 1 1/2 hp JD--Magneto self destructed/exploded 10+ years ago. Every time I > get enough cash for a new mag another more pressing project comes along. > > We did get a 2-man Mall chainsaw running last year--it had been almost 20 > years since we first worked on it. > > John Hall > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:54 PM > Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years > > >> Here's another topic. >> >> What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are >> engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other >> projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Mon Dec 15 18:01:01 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:01:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Steam Car Message-ID: <764215.546.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Conservative, man, conservative. That's why all the Poms old engines are so boring, they all look the same. Fortunately the yanks saved us. Graham in Oz >Wow. British engineering now feels it has a chance to break records that >are 102 and 82 years old? >Bruce Younger >Madison, SD Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Mon Dec 15 18:04:14 2008 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:04:14 EST Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years Message-ID: Here's my problem child........ A few years ago I acquired a Lambert engine that was stuck. I worked on it and freed it up to a smooth operation, got it to bark a few times and It just seemed to move to the back burner. You would think I would get excited over a very scarce engine and finish it....must be my age or something! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From ddotto at cableone.net Mon Dec 15 19:56:29 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:56:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01c95f32$470bd0d0$d5237270$@net> There is an advantage to having the engines in pieces; they take up a lot less floor space in the shop when all their pieces are neatly tucked away on the shelves. I defiantly fall into the unfinished engine bucket; lets see there is a 1.5 Alamo in pieces. I have done lots of work on it but still have a ways to go. Then there is the 1933 Deutz MAH diesel this is also one with lots of machine work complete but still a lot more to do. There is a Fairmont RR engine in about the same stage as the other two and last but not least the 3hp Falk. I have put literally hundreds of hours into the Falk. Machining parts making patterns etc. Thanks to curt Holland for all the help with the patterns and Rick Rowlands for doing the castings. I need to machine all the bits for the ignitor, hone the bore, finish machine the new piston and cut the ring grooves, make new main and rod bearings, Case harden the new wrist pin and grind to size... Man I still have a bunch of work to do. Every time I think that I'm getting close I realize how much more there is to do. There was also a 3hp Fairbanks Z but I sold it to a friend who finished it up and it is now a running engine. I'm hoping to get some work done on the Falk this winter we'll se how that goes. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3626 (20081119) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 20:46:45 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:46:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Erman-san, When I first read your email, I was sure that you missed the translation of your friend's dactylog or that the engine he referred to was an import. I have an Isami and it is NOT hit and miss. I sent email to both Wakahara-san and Morishita-san, the latterbeing the Japanese counterpart of our Wendel, asking if there had been any H & M engines made in Japan. I have been under the impression there had not been. I am still waiting for response from Morishita-san, but have heard from Waka as follows: > Hi, Young-san, Yanmar Ltd. only produced the HIT&MISS >engine. The engine is very valuable. Please inform me >when there are some questions. Thanks, Waka,SO, THANKS TO YOU ERMAN-SAN, I HAVE LEARNED A BIT MORE ABOUT JAPANESE ENGINES -- AND I DO HAVE A COPY OF MORISHITA'S2006 BOOK. ( ALL OF THE PICTURES THERE-IN WERE TAKEN IN ENGLISH;MOST OF THE TEXT IS IN JAPANESE.) From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 15 22:21:09 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:21:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines In-Reply-To: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:46 PM, William Young wrote: > Erman-san, When I first read your email, I was sure that you missed > the translation of your friend's dactylog or that the engine he > referred to was an import. I have an Isami and it is NOT hit and > miss. I sent email to both Wakahara-san and Morishita-san, the > latterbeing the Japanese counterpart of our Wendel, asking if there > had been any H & M engines made in Japan. I have been under the > impression there had not been. I am still waiting for response > from Morishita-san, but have heard from Waka as follows: Wakai-san, I really enjoy seeing pictures and videos of the Japanese engine shows. What strikes me are the subtle features, superior to Western built engines, such as enclosed crankcases and superior lubrication systems. What I've never seen, however, are early Japanese engines. In the early 1900s, Japan lagged the U.S. in industrialization by only a few years. Surely they must have built a few engines by that time. ?????? From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Dec 16 00:22:36 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:22:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <03b201c95f1e$f2c3ddf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <001201c95f57$74744460$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Rick Looks terrific. How long before it has a run. You will have to post a video. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine Foundation Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2008 12:38 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years Hey guys I got the Tod put back together so I don't want to hear any excuses why your little engines are still in pieces! :-) http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2620390000033749120xdDfxE?vhost=good-ti mes Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years > Here is my list; > > 1 1/2 hp Lauson been apart and in storage for about 3 years--no immediate > plans to resurrect it in the near future. > > 1 1/2 hp JD--Magneto self destructed/exploded 10+ years ago. Every time I > get enough cash for a new mag another more pressing project comes along. > > We did get a 2-man Mall chainsaw running last year--it had been almost 20 > years since we first worked on it. > > John Hall > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:54 PM > Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years > > >> Here's another topic. >> >> What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are >> engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other >> projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 13/12/2008 4:56 PM From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 01:58:04 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:58:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] More about Japanese engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <531951.8441.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ?????? Rob-san, Your kanji is improving, hourly.You mentioned the improvements made by Japanese engine manufacturers. Here are my guesses, starting with an old proverb:1) You invent it; the Japanese will copy it and improve it.2) The Japanese M.O. is, and may always have been, planned obsolescence. Therefore, most of the earlier productions were produced with a built-in death sentence. A better engine came along, sayonara to the old. Today's manufactures are required to supply parts for a limited time only, 7 years, I'm told.3) A third factor was the Pacific War ( which we call WW II. )The Japanese war machine had an appetite equal to today's sushiset. Now, we collectors here consider any pre-WW II engine a genuine, desirable artifact. P.S. This planned obsolescence bit has me worried: I was born in the 15 year of Emperor Taisho's reign.?? From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 03:05:23 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:05:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Aww Tom. You mean my invitation has been revoked???> From: Germoamer at aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:59:48 -0500> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners> > > In a message dated 12/15/2008 1:58:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:> > How about all those engines I generously hauled home for you from far away > places..... and they rust away in your back forty..... How shameful.... > > > Steve,> > I thought it would be nice for you to stop by my place sometime, but now not > so sure. > > Tom Schmutz> Concord, Va.> germoamer at AOL.com> > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 03:08:52 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:08:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie, Did you conveniently forget to say that rebuilding the Fero air compressor got in the way of your engine projects??? Steve > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:55:40 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years> > Hi George,> > I've got two engines in that condition.> > One, a 5 hp Lister CS rad cooled that's got stuck governor weights.> Should be simple, just pull the side plate off, but because of the rad fan drive> belt pulley, you _just_ can't get the plate off. Without pulling the flywheel> that is. 8-(( I'm currently leaning toward shortening the studs for the cover> plate. > > The second one is a 3 hp CH&E factory mudpump rig. I pulled the head and piston> to fix the broken-off drip oiler pipe (through the hopper into the cylinder). > That job was finished quickly, but some distraction set in and the bits never> got put back together. I sure do HOPE I can put my paws on all of the bits> when "The Time" comes. 8-))> > Great thread starter question!!> > See ya, Arnie> > Quoting "Best, George" :> > > Here's another topic.> > > > What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are> > engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other> > projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together.> > > > I've got 3 such engines.> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Dec 16 07:24:45 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:24:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1229441085.4947c83de1d71@webmail.city-net.com> Et tu Evil Cloistered Oyster Brother? Actually, I should add another engine to that list of mine. There's a certain 2 hp Bessemer that I got from _someone_ who shall be nameless that still needs fuel tank / fuel line restoration and cart construction. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Steve Royster : > Arnie, Did you conveniently forget to say that rebuilding the Fero air > compressor got in the way of your engine projects??? Steve From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Dec 16 08:09:44 2008 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:09:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <413260.95305.qm@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guilty as charged... 3hp Challenge...was stuck when I got it, It is now unstuck, but piston is still in the cyinder...I need to pull it and get the rings unstuck. Mag and ignitor are out in CT getting repaired...Also have to get one gov weight recast... 3hp Independent Harvester...was stuck when I got it, now all apart, but still missing a few pieces...need to get going on it some time.... 4hp Independent Harvester...was running, but had a lot of slop in the rocker arm and gov. New pins/bushings were made by friend and now they sit waiting to be put back on. I also have several pumps that I took apart to redo and they sit waiting.... Heck, My first engine still does not run....10 years later... Steve --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:54 PM What engine(s) do you still have in pieces? Basically, these are engines that you took apart to restore and then got sidetracked on other projects and still haven't gotten the engine back together. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 08:37:27 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:37:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <1229441085.4947c83de1d71@webmail.city-net.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> <1229441085.4947c83de1d71@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Too Late, my dear glow in the dark friend! Check the wording on your purchase agreement from Cloistered Oyster Motors. The Bessemer reverts back to me if not completed and displayed at an engine show within one of purchase. Don't worry about delivering it back to me though , I'll pick it up at Coolspring in June! The good brother, Steve > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:24:45 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years> > Et tu Evil Cloistered Oyster Brother?> > Actually, I should add another engine to that list of mine.> There's a certain 2 hp Bessemer that I got from _someone_ who shall be nameless> that still needs fuel tank / fuel line restoration and cart construction. > 8-))> > See ya, Arnie> > Quoting Steve Royster :> > > Arnie, Did you conveniently forget to say that rebuilding the Fero air> > compressor got in the way of your engine projects??? Steve> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 08:48:17 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:48:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_RE=3A__Still_in_pieces_after_all_the?= =?iso-8859-1?q?se_years?= In-Reply-To: <1229441085.4947c83de1d71@webmail.city-net.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> <1229441085.4947c83de1d71@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Technically, my brother is somewhat correct, The Big Gade has it's fuel system removed and cleaned, just needs to be re piped. The only engine that's really apart is the Stickney and has been for a couple of years. Someday I'll get all the paint off of it and put it back together. All the rest are complete so my ratio is much better than his, let's say 98% ! My brother may also be confused as to how to properly calculate his assembled vs disassembled engines because he probably can't remember how many of his engine parts are scattered all over MY shop. I'm thinking of having a yard sale in the spring and clean out some old parts. Steve _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Dec 16 10:07:33 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:07:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> <1229441085.4947c83de1d71@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1229450853.4947ee65716ab@webmail.city-net.com> HAH! Back atcha Mr. Builder Man! It turns out that the sweet lil' Bessemer was running at Portland within HOURS of me taking possession. No thanks to you if I recall correctly, I think the tender touches of Ms. Kelley Garcia made that sucker a crowd-pleasing runner. Something about putting her finger on the buzz coil, saying it "needs something" and that very instant the plug had a fat blue spark!! ISTR Rob saying something like; "Damn. She does that to me too. Just like that." 8->>> See ya, Arnie Quoting Steve Royster : > Too Late, my dear glow in the dark friend! Check the wording on your purchase > agreement from Cloistered Oyster Motors. The Bessemer reverts back to me if > not completed and displayed at an engine show within one of purchase. Don't > worry about delivering it back to me though , I'll pick it up at Coolspring > in June! The good brother, Steve From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Dec 16 11:12:11 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:12:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Pictures of a couple of Japanese engines i ran into In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081216210849.00c2bd90@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 16/12/2008, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:52:02 -0500 >From: "Ken Erman" >Subject: [SEL] Pictures of a couple of Japanese engines i ran into > >The recent thread about Japanese engines reminded me of a couple of >engines I saw last fall while in Japan on business. >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2546115450034927251jkQsAi >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2741631170034927251sFVNuQ >http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2161650800034927251UNoGVM >The Japanese gentleman I was with spoke little English, but he was able >to "tell" me he had used a small hit and miss engine for pumping water >when he was a young boy. He used his hands to show how the engine hit >and coasted. >Ken Erman Hi Ken, The 3rd pic marked as "unknown" looks like a Kubota Diesel. I rescued one (and then gave it away) a few months ago. I agree with Reg re the adverts on that site. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Dec 16 11:17:59 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:17:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081216211500.02644e30@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 16/12/2008, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:05:50 -0500 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Runners vs Non-runners >To: The SEL email discussion list > > Oh! I forgot to work out the ratio, which was what started > > this > > thread - well I'm too tired for "Maths" right now so do it > > yourselves !! > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > >Whatever the ratio is, the MAYTAG does NOT count! > Dave Thanks Dave, That post just would not have been the same without a Maytag bashing comment from you or Arnie. :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Tue Dec 16 11:34:28 2008 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:34:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines Message-ID: Dear Young-san, I suspected the Isami engine wasn't an H&M engine, it looked like it didn't have the right kind of bits and pieces. The gentleman I was with must have been using an imported engine. There's no way to confuse someone describing H&M when they go Bang-swish-swish-swish-swish-Bang and use the accompanying arm movements at the same time. J If it would be helpful I could find out the name of village we were visiting so both engines could be documented, or even saved. They were both sitting outside under minimal cover. I was tempted to try and turn the Isami over, but resisted the impulse because I didn't know what might be frozen and I didn't want to break anything. Ken ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 16 17:22:03 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:22:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > What I've never seen, however, are early Japanese engines. In the > early 1900s, Japan lagged the U.S. in industrialization by only a few > years. Surely they must have built a few engines by that time. > >>>> That has intrigued me as well . I always figured they were gathered up for the metal . Along with every last washer and cotter pin they could find . Chuck From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Dec 16 22:23:26 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:23:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines In-Reply-To: <00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> > That has intrigued me as well . I always figured they were gathered > up for > the metal. Along with every last washer and cotter pin they could > find . Chuck-san, Surely, there must be SOME really old Japanese iron laying about, under a collapsed barn or half buried in a creek. We Gaijin are taught in school that the pre-WWII Japanese were nothing better than feudalistic ox drivers, but that's just western propaganda. This morning I was reading an article, written in 1909, about the Japanese coal, iron, steel and shipbuilding industries. I'm no expert and don't care to look up numbers, but I would wager that the Japanese industrial capacity in 1909 surpassed the industrial capacity of 90% of the worlds countries in 2008. Young-san, you mentioned a bloke who is your Chuck Wendel. Is there a book available, one with a few pictures, for those of us who don't care to learn another language? Rob From gibsongus at earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 22:46:20 2008 From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:46:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years Message-ID: <17262400.1229496380266.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> IT has quit raining now so you can quit chasing Ginger around the house and get to work ,.;= -----Original Message----- >From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com >Sent: Dec 15, 2008 9:04 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years > >Here's my problem child........ A few years ago I acquired a >Lambert engine that was stuck. I worked on it and freed it up to a smooth >operation, got it to bark a few times and It just seemed to move to the back burner. >You would think I would get excited over a very scarce engine and finish >it....must be my age or something! > > >Wink & Ginger Thornton, >Yucca Valley Ca., USA >KG6TVW, KG6TVV >The older the violin....the sweeter the music! > > > >************** >Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and >favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& >icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------- Gus Whittier, CA From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Dec 16 23:09:10 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:09:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines In-Reply-To: <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <3E660800-6039-4835-AADA-A8634B6DE41A@alltel.net> -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 17, 2008, at 1:23 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Chuck-san, > Surely, there must be SOME really old Japanese iron laying about, > under a collapsed barn or half buried in a creek. We Gaijin are > taught in school that the pre-WWII Japanese were nothing better than > feudalistic ox drivers, but that's just western propaganda. No Rob, I think that's a pretty good assesment of the Jap potential prior to their starting the build up in order to mount their sneak attack on Pearl. > > > This morning I was reading an article, written in 1909, about the > Japanese coal, iron, steel and shipbuilding industries. I'm no expert > and don't care to look up numbers, but I would wager that the Japanese > industrial capacity in 1909 surpassed the industrial capacity of 90% > of the worlds countries in 2008. You might want to start looking here Rob > > > Young-san, you mentioned a bloke who is your Chuck Wendel. Is there a > book available, one with a few pictures, for those of us who don't > care to learn another language? > > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Dec 16 23:26:18 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:26:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Still in pieces after all these years In-Reply-To: <17262400.1229496380266.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17262400.1229496380266.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <986A1CC0-E964-4430-8F7F-EBE443FECD0C@rustyiron.com> On Dec 16, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Gus wrote: > IT has quit raining now so you can quit chasing Ginger around the > house and get to work ,.;= Hi Gus, If I heard correctly, it was Ginger chasing Wink around the house...... .. .. ... .... ... .... ... .. ... .... ... .. ........with a frying pan! Rob P.S. I've been trying to buy the Lambert from the wrong member of the Thornton household!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 17 03:52:14 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:52:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 15 References: Message-ID: <009101c9603d$fb5df480$66674b47@mikecomp> Wuss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 15 > > > Coward. :) > > -Steve- > > > > > --Forwarded Message Attachment-- > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:54:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > I'll sell you mine!!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Webre" > To: "sel" > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > >> Mike, >> >> $100? Not yet. I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... >> >> What are YOU waiting for? >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 >> bucks >> i >> would think!!!! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 >> >> >>> Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's >>> gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. >>> >>> That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> Quoting Steve Webre : >>> >>>> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >>>> >>>> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >>>> >>>> -Steve- >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >>>> >>>> Mike Royster >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >>>> > Manual >>>> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >>>> > the >>>> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >>>> > Auction? >>>> > >>>> > Francis Maciel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Dec 17 04:31:45 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:31:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China Message-ID: Hi all Latest virus release from China. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/microsoft/3793365/Internet-Explorer-security-alert-Microsoft-says-all-users-at-risk.html Well it has hit Australia, it got me and straight past Norton Anti-virus 2009. 27 hours later I am 98% back online with most software installed. When it is a work machine you don't realize, until you have to re-format, how many settings you need to re-install. Microsoft says stay off the web until they get the patch out on their update site. I was looking through a US university site doing some research when I got hit, the screen wobbled and the computer re-booted, my words were @#%*. Peter, Oz From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 17 06:04:21 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:04:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73976EED-8508-43B3-BF14-942C26AAA1EC@rustyiron.com> On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > > Microsoft says stay off the web until they get the patch out on > their update site. > Peter, I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune. But just as I don't understand your affinity to those loud smokey Maytag motors, I don't understand your blind allegiance to Gates. For how many years have I been warning you? http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Dec 17 07:22:46 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:22:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: <73976EED-8508-43B3-BF14-942C26AAA1EC@rustyiron.com> References: <73976EED-8508-43B3-BF14-942C26AAA1EC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <3472.165.206.180.15.1229527366.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> simple single word solution - UBUNTU Web, there are multiple choices, but alas, they are ALL vulnerable in some way, just that IE is worse. The more child-like MS tries to make their OS and browser, the more children can break into them. MS wants it to be all things to all people, dumb it down, so much so that you can be dumb and hack their stuff. > > On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: >> >> Microsoft says stay off the web until they get the patch out on >> their update site. >> > > > Peter, > I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune. But just as I don't understand > your affinity to those loud smokey Maytag motors, I don't understand > your blind allegiance to Gates. For how many years have I been > warning you? http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Wed Dec 17 07:45:30 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:45:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009401c9605e$8c8616c0$a5924440$@net> I know lotsa folks don't like Microsoft but I for one much prefer it. I switched temporarily to firefox as default browser (already had it installed but don't like it) so please let us (or me on the back channel if you prefer) when they get IE fixed. Lew near Waco, TX USA (bee_keeper at earthlink dot net) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:32 AM To: ATIS; Oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China Hi all Latest virus release from China. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/microsoft/3793365 /Internet-Explorer-security-alert-Microsoft-says-all-users-at-risk.html Well it has hit Australia, it got me and straight past Norton Anti-virus 2009. 27 hours later I am 98% back online with most software installed. When it is a work machine you don't realize, until you have to re-format, how many settings you need to re-install. Microsoft says stay off the web until they get the patch out on their update site. I was looking through a US university site doing some research when I got hit, the screen wobbled and the computer re-booted, my words were @#%*. Peter, Oz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1852 - Release Date: 12/16/2008 6:11 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 17 08:07:13 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:07:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines In-Reply-To: <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1229530033.494923b15c740@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rob, You reminded me of my one "near death" experience in Japan. (That morning-after the Hostess Bar incident doesn't count...) We were driving up to the fishing village of Mihama (where there is also a nuke plant complex). The trip took us through a lot of other small coastal fishing villages. Naturally, as one well trained in the arts of Old Iron Questing, you're ALWAYS looking for flywheels. Well, I spotted some nice, curved-spoke FLYWHEELS!! I scream "STOP" to the driver, who slams on the brakes and skids to the side of the road. I open the door, glance down the road (totally forgetting in the passion of the moment that the Japanese drive on the WRONG side of the road) and make a move toward the flywheels. Blaring horn, screeching tires, and one VERY narrow miss. WHEW!! Get the breathing and heart rate under control, look BOTH ways (twice), and cross the road, and head down toward the harbor where I saw the flywheels. Yep there they were, big, lovely, S-spoke flywheels attached to a multi-ton winch used to haul the fishing boats up out of the water. Why they'd have flywheels on a winch is beyond me. More looking and I became convinced that the electric motor attached with a half-dozen V-belts to the winch pulley had been there for YEARS. Not a trace of an engine anywhere. Sigh... That's the closest I've come to finding one "in the wild" in Japan or Korea. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Rob Skinner : > Surely, there must be SOME really old Japanese iron laying about, > under a collapsed barn or half buried in a creek. We Gaijin are > taught in school that the pre-WWII Japanese were nothing better than > feudalistic ox drivers, but that's just western propaganda. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 17 08:31:45 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:31:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: <3472.165.206.180.15.1229527366.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <73976EED-8508-43B3-BF14-942C26AAA1EC@rustyiron.com> <3472.165.206.180.15.1229527366.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <929F320E-5D77-4088-A4A4-43A7274ABF01@alltel.net> My system is pretty easy to use, and I guess you could say it's "dumbed down." Wonder why it's not vulnerable? Rob and http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr seem to make a good point! Dave On Dec 17, 2008, at 10:22 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > simple single word solution - UBUNTU > > Web, there are multiple choices, but alas, they are ALL vulnerable > in some > way, just that IE is worse. > > The more child-like MS tries to make their OS and browser, the more > children can break into them. MS wants it to be all things to all > people, > dumb it down, so much so that you can be dumb and hack their stuff. > > > >> >> On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: >>> >>> Microsoft says stay off the web until they get the patch out on >>> their update site. >>> >> >> >> Peter, >> I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune. But just as I don't understand >> your affinity to those loud smokey Maytag motors, I don't understand >> your blind allegiance to Gates. For how many years have I been >> warning you? http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 17 08:30:11 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:30:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229531411.49492913d9645@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Mate, Ya know, you'd figger a bloke YOUR AGE would realize that surfing a site dedicated to: XXXX - HOT NAKED UNIVERSITY COEDS DOING EVERY PERVERSION - XXXX Just _might_ give you a clue you weren't "surfing safely." US university "research" my ass. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - They aren't really coeds either. 8-)) PPS - There's probably ANOTHER reason that your screen "wobbled." You do still surf with your computer on your lap right? Quoting Peter Lowe : > I was looking through a US university site doing some research when I got > hit, the screen wobbled and the computer re-booted, my words were @#%*. From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 08:36:50 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:36:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines In-Reply-To: <1229530033.494923b15c740@webmail.city-net.com> References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> <1229530033.494923b15c740@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0812170836k5f3d076dy258886d1421e5971@mail.gmail.com> Japan DID declare war on the U.S. in 1907. It was triggered right here in San Francisco when our school board refused to allow any Asians - aimed at that time at Japanese - in public schools. That brought to a head many old tensions which were ended by Teddy Roosevelt's Gentlemen's Agreement. We had ships heading for the the area and our Philippine bases were on standby for action and we had Marines in route for combat. Don't worry; the foreigners got even. They and the gays run everything here now. Paul in SanFran From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 17 06:25:46 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:25:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Japanese engines References: <145733.19056.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><00af01c95fe5$dee1cfa0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <1DE704B4-D9B2-4C2E-AD74-8A92D7F4A18F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <003801c96053$5a9d9a80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Chuck-san, > Surely, there must be SOME really old Japanese iron laying about, > under a collapsed barn or half buried in a creek. We Gaijin are > taught in school that the pre-WWII Japanese were nothing better than > feudalistic ox drivers, but that's just western propaganda. > Herded around by the cleverest of the lot . At least they werent communists At first glance I see 180,000 tons of iron in 1909 , double that to 350 by 1916 , and then WW1 really freaked somebody out, so they immediately took it to 750 thousand as of 2006 China was making about 600K tons a year . > This morning I was reading an article, written in 1909, about the > Japanese coal, iron, steel and shipbuilding industries. I'm no expert > and don't care to look up numbers, but I would wager that the Japanese > industrial capacity in 1909 surpassed the industrial capacity of 90% > of the worlds countries in 2008. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 07:38:33 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:38:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: <73976EED-8508-43B3-BF14-942C26AAA1EC@rustyiron.com> References: <73976EED-8508-43B3-BF14-942C26AAA1EC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812170738r73622d9awae3efc55ef14c730@mail.gmail.com> On 17/12/2008, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: >> >> Microsoft says stay off the web until they get the patch out on >> their update site. >> > > > Peter, > I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune. But just as I don't understand > your affinity to those loud smokey Maytag motors, I don't understand > your blind allegiance to Gates. For how many years have I been > warning you? http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr > Mr Jobs not keen either ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7786895.stm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 17 15:57:32 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:57:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Latest virus release from China In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812170738r73622d9awae3efc55ef14c730@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I understand the Babbage machine doesn't suffer from hacking problems. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 09:39 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Cc: ATIS > Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest virus release from China > > > On 17/12/2008, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > > On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> > >> Microsoft says stay off the web until they get > the patch out on > >> their update site. > >> > > > > > > Peter, > > I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune. But just > as I don't understand > > your affinity to those loud smokey Maytag > motors, I don't understand > > your blind allegiance to Gates. For how many > years have I been > > warning you? http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr > > > > Mr Jobs not keen either ? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7786895.stm > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 17 15:41:26 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:41:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter References: Message-ID: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> >I understand the Babbage machine doesn't suffer from hacking problems. > >>>>>>>>>>> That reminds me ! My neighborhood Unimog collector / oilfield telecomm guy is looking for an "old " AM transmitter . Do any of the resident broadcast engineers have one they wanna sell , or perhaps a pointer ? From gastzt at aol.com Wed Dec 17 15:51:17 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:51:17 EST Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: what frequencies__??????? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215047751x1200957972/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 23:38:18 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:38:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> On 17/12/2008, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > >I understand the Babbage machine doesn't suffer from hacking problems. >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > That reminds me ! > > My neighborhood Unimog collector / oilfield telecomm guy is looking for an > "old " AM transmitter . > Do any of the resident broadcast engineers have one they wanna sell , or > perhaps a pointer ? > Got a nice original 'GECophone' Crystal Set, still receives 2LO.... :-)) We have a large collection of old laboratory test gear, like galvanometers, resistance bridges and wattmeters, all in store at present, but hope to be able to get some out once the house is finished. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From don.h at wcoil.com Thu Dec 18 06:15:31 2008 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:15:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mr Diesel what freq ,how much power??? on the am rig Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > On 17/12/2008, Chuck Balyeat wrote: >> >I understand the Babbage machine doesn't suffer from hacking problems. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> That reminds me ! >> >> My neighborhood Unimog collector / oilfield telecomm guy is looking for >> an >> "old " AM transmitter . >> Do any of the resident broadcast engineers have one they wanna sell , or >> perhaps a pointer ? >> > > Got a nice original 'GECophone' Crystal Set, still receives 2LO.... :-)) > > We have a large collection of old laboratory test gear, like > galvanometers, resistance bridges and wattmeters, all in store at > present, but hope to be able to get some out once the house is > finished. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Dec 18 10:20:38 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:20:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > once the house is > finished. > > Peter When on earth will that be Peter? Rita tells me that it's going to get cold pretty soon! You had better get a move on! Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 11:02:49 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:02:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812181102t48b3dce5m87f1f4910679e83b@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, Don wrote: > Mr Diesel what freq ,how much power??? on the am rig > Don Don: Excuse my humour, crystal sets and 2L0 were early 1900's receivers and first BBC transmitter respectively. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 11:11:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:11:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, David Rotigel wrote: >> once the house is >> finished. >> >> Peter > > When on earth will that be Peter? Rita tells me that it's going to get > cold pretty soon! You had better get a move on! > Dave Hi Dave: We will be moving the hot water tank this weekend, and laying a new 1" plywood floor for the first floor, after we have revised all the electrics and plumbing. The back gable is completed and insulated, the front gable might be finished tomorrow afternoon, we should have roof tiles on before Xmas. Both side walls have been finished for 2 weeks now, and filled with Vermiculite insulation (A mica product). Got to pick up 25 X 8ft X 4ft plywood sheets on Saturday morning from London, then 25 sheets of 1/2" foil-back plasterboard on Monday, so we can spend Xmas putting up the ceiling and then laying the insulation on top. Really crappy having to live here with the builders working as well, but they have been really good workers and worth the money we are paying them. We are getting there.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 18 12:22:45 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:22:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> Gee Peter, Sounds like you and Rita have some really fun holiday plans there. I trust that you'll manage to work in a bottle of port between moving the hot water tank and installing the ceiling & insulation. It might also be nice to take her out for dinner over the holidays. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > We will be moving the hot water tank this weekend, and laying a new 1" > plywood floor for the first floor, after we have revised all the > electrics and plumbing. The back gable is completed and insulated, the > front gable might be finished tomorrow afternoon, we should have roof > tiles on before Xmas. Both side walls have been finished for 2 weeks > now, and filled with Vermiculite insulation (A mica product). > > Got to pick up 25 X 8ft X 4ft plywood sheets on Saturday morning from > London, then 25 sheets of 1/2" foil-back plasterboard on Monday, so we > can spend Xmas putting up the ceiling and then laying the insulation > on top. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Dec 18 12:32:41 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:32:41 EST Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: Hi Peter, Somewhere I got the notion that measuring using inches and feet was forbidden. I have even read of merchants being fined for weighing goods in pounds and ounces. Can you actually go into a builders' supply house and purchase 4'x8' plywood sheets, calling them by name? Thanks. Ron Carroll In a message dated 12/18/2008 1:18:54 PM Central Standard Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: Got to pick up 25 X 8ft X 4ft plywood sheets on Saturday morning from London, then 25 sheets of 1/2" foil-back plasterboard on Monday, so we can spend Xmas putting up the ceiling and then laying the insulation on top. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 18 14:46:42 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Chuck: Your friend may want to call around to outfits advertising Broadcast Engineering Services in the yellow pages. He could also call around local radio stations. Some of them seem to keep their retired transmitters around 'til they need to make room for something else. If all else fails, I could call a friend in Indiana who has been maintaining radio stations for years. He may have something in his warehouse......depending on what is needed. Remember that most broadcast AM transmitters (550kHz to 1710kHz) are pretty big, even the old 500 Watters. When you get into the bigger tube (valve) rigs (5kW or better), they get really big, running to five or more rack bays and several tons. I suppose he knows that he has to have a license to operate one........ The FCC takes a rather dim view of outlaw stations. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Chuck > Balyeat > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 05:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > > > >I understand the Babbage machine doesn't suffer > from hacking problems. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > That reminds me ! > > My neighborhood Unimog collector / oilfield > telecomm guy is looking for an > "old " AM transmitter . > Do any of the resident broadcast engineers have > one they wanna sell , or > perhaps a pointer ? From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 18 13:51:55 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:51:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909544D24@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> What happened to the charity auction? Years ago there were lots of things and even a bit of rivalry between the tractor list and the engine list. So far this year only one item has been listed and that is the Jeep manual. So is it just general lack of interest? Have so many people left the mailing lists that there is only a small group still active and none are interested in the auction? I could come up with something to donate, but if there generally is no interest I don't see the point. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 18 14:15:27 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:15:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229638527.494acb7fbea5a@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Ron, I think the Brits would pick up a 2440mm x 1220mm sheet and call it an eight by four sheet. For example, here's one listing... Softwood Plywood (L)2440 x (W)1220 x (T)12.5mm Dimension lumber is a bit trickier. They refer to it as "Construction Timber." A common one is a four by two. Here's a couple that are "close", but I don't know which one the Brits would expect if they said "Gimmie a four by two." BTW at five quid, it's pretty pricey. Graded C16 Construction Timber (L)3600 x (W)100 x (T)47mm Graded C16 Construction Timber (L)3600 x (W)75 x (T)47mm http://www.diy.com/ and scroll down... You are here: Home Building, Hardware & Tools, Timber, Functional Timber, Construction Timber. See ya, Arnie PS - Hopefully, one of the Brits will give us the straight skinny. Quoting MaytagTwin at aol.com: > Somewhere I got the notion that measuring using inches and feet was > forbidden. I have even read of merchants being fined for weighing goods in > pounds and ounces. Can you actually go into a builders' supply house and > purchase 4'x8' plywood sheets, calling them by name? From paul at internalfire.com Thu Dec 18 14:31:59 2008 From: paul at internalfire.com (Paul Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:31:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <1229638527.494acb7fbea5a@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1229638527.494acb7fbea5a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <494ACF5F.1040003@internalfire.com> fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > A common one is a four by two. Here's a couple that are "close", but I don't > know which one the Brits would expect if they said "Gimmie a four by two." 200 ft of four by two arrived today - 4" x 2" for strengthening shuttering boards. The shuttering boards are eight by four - 8ft x 4ft x 3/4" (19mm) and are still ordered as such, ?19 each! Total cost for shuttering the Allen we are working on will be around ?350, wood is expensive here :-( Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com Tel: 01239 811212 A member of the Association of Independent Museums. Supported by the IDGTE and Council of Museums for Wales (CYMAL) -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 17:41 From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Dec 18 14:53:58 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:53:58 EST Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: In a message dated 12/18/2008 2:18:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: Got to pick up 25 X 8ft X 4ft plywood sheets on Saturday morning Peter, If possible, put down AdvanTech rather than plywood. Much better that plywood. Been putting it down for a number of years now in new homes and it is great stuff. _http://www.huberwood.com/main.aspx?pagename=advantechflooring _ (http://www.huberwood.com/main.aspx?pagename=advantechflooring) Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Dec 18 14:55:06 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:55:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909544D24@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <005601c96163$ac0f7300$66674b47@mikecomp> Where's the link, I need to bid!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? > What happened to the charity auction? > > Years ago there were lots of things and even a bit of rivalry between > the tractor list and the engine list. > > So far this year only one item has been listed and that is the Jeep > manual. > > So is it just general lack of interest? > > Have so many people left the mailing lists that there is only a small > group still active and none are interested in the auction? > > I could come up with something to donate, but if there generally is no > interest I don't see the point. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 15:22:53 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:22:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? Message-ID: <160024.53367.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here it is. http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity Alan in Michigan --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Mike Royster wrote: From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 5:55 PM Where's the link, I need to bid!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? > What happened to the charity auction? > > Years ago there were lots of things and even a bit of rivalry between > the tractor list and the engine list. > > So far this year only one item has been listed and that is the Jeep > manual. > > So is it just general lack of interest? > > Have so many people left the mailing lists that there is only a small > group still active and none are interested in the auction? > > I could come up with something to donate, but if there generally is no > interest I don't see the point. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 18 15:27:35 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:27:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT////// transformer Message-ID: <004d01c96168$35d22f70$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> The plot thickens ... >I also need a "poll pig" transformer 120/240V sec. 6000-7200V or so pri. >5-20KW or so, It needs to have a "two bushing" pri. meaning it has two high >voltage terminals on top, although I may be able to convert a "single >bushing" unit > Craig > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Dec 18 15:55:17 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:55:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I second that opinion, Tom. That's all I use now. Almost all the builders I know use it too. Steve > From: Germoamer at aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:53:58 -0500> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter> > > In a message dated 12/18/2008 2:18:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:> > Got to pick up 25 X 8ft X 4ft plywood sheets on Saturday morning > > > Peter,> > If possible, put down AdvanTech rather than plywood. Much better that > plywood. Been putting it down for a number of years now in new homes and it is > great stuff.> > _http://www.huberwood.com/main.aspx?pagename=advantechflooring > > > _ (http://www.huberwood.com/main.aspx?pagename=advantechflooring) > Tom Schmutz> Concord, Va.> germoamer at AOL.com> **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 18 17:17:42 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:17:42 -0000 Subject: [SEL] XP Lexmark X1100 Printer Scanner. Message-ID: <000501c96177$98cfd690$3a290556@intrepid> While trying to fight the current virus threat I tried to download Microsofts patch. This did not work and told me to re-load Windows XP. This did get me running again but I had severe printer problems. Now we get to my problem, I have Lexmark 1100 all in one series discs CD2 & CD3 but I have lost disc one which is the required disc.! Does anyone have a copy of this disc to copy for me please. I will gladly pay for a disc and postage. TIA Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Dec 18 17:55:26 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:55:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] XP Lexmark X1100 Printer Scanner. References: <000501c96177$98cfd690$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <3C9E8ECC0C3E428AA96DF2905C7368C5@your46e94owx6a> Hi Dave, Have you tried the lexmark web site, it should be there to download. HP works this way so maybe Lexmark does to. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "Oldengine.org" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: [SEL] XP Lexmark X1100 Printer Scanner. While trying to fight the current virus threat I tried to download Microsofts patch. This did not work and told me to re-load Windows XP. This did get me running again but I had severe printer problems. Now we get to my problem, I have Lexmark 1100 all in one series discs CD2 & CD3 but I have lost disc one which is the required disc.! Does anyone have a copy of this disc to copy for me please. I will gladly pay for a disc and postage. TIA Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1855 - Release Date: 12/18/2008 10:16 AM From gastzt at aol.com Thu Dec 18 18:01:52 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:01:52 EST Subject: [SEL] XP Lexmark X1100 Printer Scanner. Message-ID: yes Lexmark does have a download site--- I had to use it on my Lexmark Z1300--- good machines! Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215047751x1200957972/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Thu Dec 18 18:05:04 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:05:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] XP Lexmark X1100 Printer Scanner. In-Reply-To: <000501c96177$98cfd690$3a290556@intrepid> References: <000501c96177$98cfd690$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <494B0150.8080801@rustic-engines.com> Tried here Dave? > http://support.lexmark.com/perl/support/support.cgi?ccs=229:1:0:0:0:0 Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Dave Croft wrote: > While trying to fight the current virus threat I tried to download Microsofts patch. > This did not work and told me to re-load Windows XP. > This did get me running again but I had severe printer problems. > Now we get to my problem, I have Lexmark 1100 all in one series discs CD2 & CD3 but > I have lost disc one which is the required disc.! > Does anyone have a copy of this disc to copy for me please. > I will gladly pay for a disc and postage. > TIA > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 18 20:42:07 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:42:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <005601c96163$ac0f7300$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909544D24@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <005601c96163$ac0f7300$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <1229661727.494b261f52249@webmail.city-net.com> Hmmmm, is the man all hat and no cattle? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Quoting Mike Royster : > Where's the link, I need to bid!!!!!!!! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 23:26:57 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:26:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160812182326s93df60ft9b843acf0ccc1c1@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Peter, > Somewhere I got the notion that measuring using inches and feet was > forbidden. I have even read of merchants being fined for weighing goods in > pounds > and ounces. Can you actually go into a builders' supply house and purchase > 4'x8' plywood sheets, calling them by name? > Thanks. > Ron Carroll > Strange to say, yes you can, although technically they are sold as Metric sheets 2440mm X 1220mm (96.06" X 48.03") It's a moot point if the sawmill can cut with an accuracy of 0.06", especially if you allow for drying shrinkage. 1/2" plasterboard is another one that seems to have slipped through as well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 23:28:15 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:28:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812182328meda25d2m7306c2558749a440@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Gee Peter, > > Sounds like you and Rita have some really fun holiday plans there. > > I trust that you'll manage to work in a bottle of port between moving the > hot water tank and installing the ceiling & insulation. It might also be nice > to take her out for dinner over the holidays. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie She'll be in there, holding the plasterboard sheets up while I hit the nails! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 23:33:22 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:33:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <494ACF5F.1040003@internalfire.com> References: <1229638527.494acb7fbea5a@webmail.city-net.com> <494ACF5F.1040003@internalfire.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812182333ta26063ehd2b596ffa18173d5@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, Paul Evans wrote: > Total cost for shuttering the Allen we are working on will be around > ?350, wood is expensive here :-( > > Paul I'll second that, and as most of it is imported from Scandinavia or Canada, there's a lot of handling/transport involved. Russian and Lithuanian timber is quite common now over here, but not especially cheap or good quality. We picked up 25 sheets of 1" 25mm 8' X 4' sheets of WBP (Weather and Boil Proof) plywood for ?15 a sheet, that's about a third of the retail, depending on where you are looking. That's what we are collecting tomorrow morning. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 23:35:55 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:35:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// transformer In-Reply-To: <004d01c96168$35d22f70$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <004d01c96168$35d22f70$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <6f6025160812182335v439b169ch315d1d2f52f471c7@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > The plot thickens ... > > >>I also need a "poll pig" transformer 120/240V sec. 6000-7200V or so pri. >>5-20KW or so, It needs to have a "two bushing" pri. meaning it has two high >> >>voltage terminals on top, although I may be able to convert a "single >>bushing" unit >> Craig I think Craig meant a 'Pole Pig" transformer, 11kV primary over here. Reduces 11kV cross-country low level HT to 415/440V three-phase Star, or 240V from the 440V three-phase twixt phase and neutral. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 23:39:23 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:39:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] XP Lexmark X1100 Printer Scanner. In-Reply-To: <000501c96177$98cfd690$3a290556@intrepid> References: <000501c96177$98cfd690$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <6f6025160812182339k5088900exb3714b2b528c306a@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, Dave Croft wrote: > While trying to fight the current virus threat I tried to download > Microsofts patch. Dave: If you set up 'Windows Updates' on your machine, it will tell you when these things are available and do most of the work for you. All of ours are set up this way, we had the notification yesterday morning on all our machines, here at home and at the factory. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Dec 19 02:18:40 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:18:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812182326s93df60ft9b843acf0ccc1c1@mail.gmail.com> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219051244.02f945f0@ncweb.com> Well, actually, no...! We in the US can buy 4x8 sheets, while in the UK you can only buy 8x4 sheets. The 4x8 sheets fit nicely in a van or truck, while the 8x4 sheets are a real problem to haul home, unless you put them in crossways. Just trying to help... Dave Merchant All I know about England, I learned from watching Top Gear. At 02:26 AM 12/19/2008, you wrote: >On 18/12/2008, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi Peter, > > Somewhere I got the notion that measuring using inches and feet was > > forbidden. I have even read of merchants being fined for weighing > goods in > > pounds > > and ounces. Can you actually go into a builders' supply house and > purchase > > 4'x8' plywood sheets, calling them by name? > > Thanks. > > Ron Carroll > > > >Strange to say, yes you can, although technically they are sold as >Metric sheets 2440mm X 1220mm (96.06" X 48.03") It's a moot point if >the sawmill can cut with an accuracy of 0.06", especially if you allow >for drying shrinkage. > >1/2" plasterboard is another one that seems to have slipped through as well. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From peter at loud-n-clear.net Fri Dec 19 03:11:23 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:11:23 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219051244.02f945f0@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219051244.02f945f0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <019b01c961ca$877a5840$8335c53e@doc> The reality is far more bizarre, let me tell you :) Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Merchant > Sent: 19 December 2008 10:19 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > ... > > Dave Merchant > All I know about England, I learned from watching Top Gear. > ... From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 03:22:19 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:22:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219051244.02f945f0@ncweb.com> References: <6f6025160812182326s93df60ft9b843acf0ccc1c1@mail.gmail.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20081219051244.02f945f0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812190322v7489cf0bred35c5215a64226c@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, Dave Merchant wrote: > Well, actually, no...! > > We in the US can buy 4x8 sheets, while in the UK you can only buy 8x4 > sheets. > > The 4x8 sheets fit nicely in a van or truck, while the 8x4 sheets > are a real problem to haul home, unless you put them in crossways. > > Just trying to help... > > Dave Merchant LOL! Like some of those contact breaker point gaps that are for sale on ebay.... The van has 9ft (or just over) inside and over 4ft between the wheel arches, so 8 X 4 are no problem. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 03:23:13 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:23:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <019b01c961ca$877a5840$8335c53e@doc> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219051244.02f945f0@ncweb.com> <019b01c961ca$877a5840$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <6f6025160812190323p3d4c17b2lead8c22de6d68ee8@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, Peter Scales wrote: > The reality is far more bizarre, let me tell you :) > > > Pete Bizzarre? Us nice Limeys ? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 19 03:40:15 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:40:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909544D24@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><005601c96163$ac0f7300$66674b47@mikecomp> <1229661727.494b261f52249@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <002501c961ce$8fdf8ec0$66674b47@mikecomp> Hmmmmmm, is the man all Nu and not clear??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? > Hmmmm, is the man all hat and no cattle? > http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 > > Quoting Mike Royster : > >> Where's the link, I need to bid!!!!!!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 19 05:53:11 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:53:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] SEL members in and around NC.....New Years Day Crankup. Message-ID: <59417.168.215.206.73.1229694791.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but due to a sickness in the family the annual New Years Day crankup at the farm of Tom Berry in Kings Mountain is canceled for this year. Tommy regrets this, but needs to devote his attention to taking care of his mom as she is recovering from some health issues. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 19 06:10:20 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:10:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812182328meda25d2m7306c2558749a440@mail.gmail.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160812182328meda25d2m7306c2558749a440@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229695820.494bab4c810c9@webmail.city-net.com> Sigh.... You are SUCH a romantic... Quoting Listerdiesel : > She'll be in there, holding the plasterboard sheets up while I hit the > nails! :-)) From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 19 06:11:31 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:11:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812182333ta26063ehd2b596ffa18173d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1229638527.494acb7fbea5a@webmail.city-net.com> <494ACF5F.1040003@internalfire.com> <6f6025160812182333ta26063ehd2b596ffa18173d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229695891.494bab93206fe@webmail.city-net.com> Your plywood gets BOILS????? Quoting Listerdiesel : > We picked up 25 sheets of 1" 25mm 8' X 4' sheets of WBP (Weather and > Boil Proof) plywood for ?15 a sheet, that's about a third of the > retail, depending on where you are looking. That's what we are > collecting tomorrow morning. From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Dec 19 07:17:58 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:17:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812182328meda25d2m7306c2558749a440@mail.gmail.com > References: <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. They also make a special Philips driver bit that has a collar around it to limit drive depth so you get the screw head dimpled in the right amount, without breaking the paper surface. It's amazing how fast you can put screws in a whole 4x8 sheet, probably about as fast with an 8x4. Dave Merchant At 02:28 AM 12/19/2008, you wrote: >On 18/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > Gee Peter, > > > > Sounds like you and Rita have some really fun holiday plans there. > > > > I trust that you'll manage to work in a bottle of port between moving the > > hot water tank and installing the ceiling & insulation. It might also > be nice > > to take her out for dinner over the holidays. 8-)) > > > > See ya, Arnie > >She'll be in there, holding the plasterboard sheets up while I hit the >nails! :-)) > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 19 08:10:14 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:10:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> References: <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <1229703014.494bc766a1528@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer deck to help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. 8-))) See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Merchant : > The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, > especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, > coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. > > They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is > wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support > for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. > > Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 08:26:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:26:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812190826o6b0fe123gabfeb6a8b6606921@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, Dave Merchant wrote: > The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, > especially for a ceiling. Yes, we have them here too, nobody uses the old galvanised nails for plasterboard any more. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 08:31:02 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:31:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <1229695820.494bab4c810c9@webmail.city-net.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160812182328meda25d2m7306c2558749a440@mail.gmail.com> <1229695820.494bab4c810c9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812190831y16e7ca4bs8d3552117bd3a05e@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Sigh.... You are SUCH a romantic... Yep, that's what she says also :-)) Love Is: Sleeping in a bed, in a bedroom with no roof, at -3 Centigrade, with a 16' X 12' polypropylene engine sheet over you to keep the weather out. Builders cr*p all over the place, brick and plaster dust all over everything and so on. If your marriage can survive that, it will probably survive anything. We should have windows in before Xmas, but the roof tiles won't go on until after. The front gable is about 5 ft down from the roof peak as I type and it's getting dark, so no more today. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 19 10:30:14 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:30:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL members in and around NC.....New Years Day Crankup. In-Reply-To: <59417.168.215.206.73.1229694791.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20081219183014.4UWWW.337857.root@cdptpa-web05-z02> Sorry to hear that, thanks for the info Curt! MR ---- curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but due to a sickness in the family > the annual New Years Day crankup at the farm of Tom Berry in Kings > Mountain is canceled for this year. > Tommy regrets this, but needs to devote his attention to taking care of > his mom as she is recovering from some health issues. > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From swebre at hotmail.com Fri Dec 19 11:38:31 2008 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:38:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seems I'm high bidder at present..... -Steve- From: mr at carolina.rr.com Wuss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 15 > > > Coward. :) > > -Steve- > > > > > --Forwarded Message Attachment-- > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:54:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > I'll sell you mine!!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Webre" > To: "sel" > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > >> Mike, >> >> $100? Not yet. I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... >> >> What are YOU waiting for? >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 >> bucks >> i >> would think!!!! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 >> >> >>> Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's >>> gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. >>> >>> That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> Quoting Steve Webre : >>> >>>> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >>>> >>>> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >>>> >>>> -Steve- >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >>>> >>>> Mike Royster >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >>>> > Manual >>>> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep in >>>> > the >>>> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >>>> > Auction? >>>> > >>>> > Francis Maciel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 19 12:00:54 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:00:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter References: <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com><002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com><1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <4C154A5E9DC8451AB74E34EAECF68C8B@YOURDA6F5028CB> I am still trying to get past a woman what can hold a 4'X8' or 8 x 4 sheet of drywall up against the clg. by herself. She would have to be at least 6'6" tall and weigh in at about 250 lbs. US. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Merchant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, > especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, > coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. > > They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is > wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support > for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. > > Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. > > They also make a special Philips driver bit that has a collar around > it to limit drive depth so you get the screw head dimpled in the right > amount, without breaking the paper surface. > > It's amazing how fast you can put screws in a whole 4x8 sheet, > probably about as fast with an 8x4. > > Dave Merchant > > > At 02:28 AM 12/19/2008, you wrote: >>On 18/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >> > Gee Peter, >> > >> > Sounds like you and Rita have some really fun holiday plans there. >> > >> > I trust that you'll manage to work in a bottle of port between moving >> > the >> > hot water tank and installing the ceiling & insulation. It might also >> be nice >> > to take her out for dinner over the holidays. 8-)) >> > >> > See ya, Arnie >> >>She'll be in there, holding the plasterboard sheets up while I hit the >>nails! :-)) >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 13:17:36 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:17:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <4C154A5E9DC8451AB74E34EAECF68C8B@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> <4C154A5E9DC8451AB74E34EAECF68C8B@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <6f6025160812191317pd528286h9f65c7d90c7b9955@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, Skip Cleveland wrote: > I am still trying to get past a woman what can hold a 4'X8' or 8 x 4 sheet > of drywall up against the clg. by herself. She would have to be at least > 6'6" tall and weigh in at about 250 lbs. US. > Skip More than that, Skip, our ceiling is 8' 3" off the floor..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 13:23:24 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:23:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909544D24@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081215214054.0257f128@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909465BCF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1229381740.4946e06c97caf@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909544D24@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812191323o7dccde5ap2ed94f5ef232b437@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/2008, Best, George wrote: > What happened to the charity auction? It used to be announced on the List in October/November as I recall, Spencer would give out the url for the auction and off it would go. Didn't see anything last year until it was almost over, and don't recall anything this year either? There is a King Dick spanner in Greensburg PA for the auction which I left with Dave..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 19 13:27:31 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:27:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229722051.494c11c3df399@webmail.city-net.com> Oil Wars!! Oil Wars!! Actually Steve, I think you've got it. Steve (the Good Cloistered Oyster) told me not to worry, that Mike's so tight he squeeks when he moves. See ya, Arnie Quoting Steve Webre : > Seems I'm high bidder at present..... > > > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > Wuss From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 19 13:33:02 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:33:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812190831y16e7ca4bs8d3552117bd3a05e@mail.gmail.com> References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160812182328meda25d2m7306c2558749a440@mail.gmail.com> <1229695820.494bab4c810c9@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160812190831y16e7ca4bs8d3552117bd3a05e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229722382.494c130ee5cf9@webmail.city-net.com> Damn Peter, that's really too bad. Over here the builders use a PortaJohn on a job site... Quoting Listerdiesel : > Builders cr*p all over the place, From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 19 14:52:01 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:52:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 References: Message-ID: <001901c9622c$68b698d0$66674b47@mikecomp> So it appears.......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 > > > Seems I'm high bidder at present..... > > -Steve- > > > > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > Wuss > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Webre" > To: "sel" > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 15 > > >> >> >> Coward. :) >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> >> >> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- >> From: mr at carolina.rr.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:54:03 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> >> I'll sell you mine!!!!! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Webre" >> To: "sel" >> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> >> >>> Mike, >>> >>> $100? Not yet. I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... >>> >>> What are YOU waiting for? >>> >>> -Steve- >>> >>> >>> Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 >>> bucks >>> i >>> would think!!!! >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 >>> >>> >>>> Now THAT'S just scary. One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's >>>> gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. >>>> >>>> That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!! 8->>>> >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> Quoting Steve Webre : >>>> >>>>> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >>>>> >>>>> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >>>>> >>>>> -Steve- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >>>>> >>>>> Mike Royster >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: >>>>> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A Operation & Care >>>>> > Manual >>>>> > with a 1947 Copyright date. Since, I have no use for it (no Jeep >>>>> > in >>>>> > the >>>>> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate to the Charity >>>>> > Auction? >>>>> > >>>>> > Francis Maciel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 19 14:55:18 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:55:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 References: <1229722051.494c11c3df399@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <002d01c9622c$dd720510$66674b47@mikecomp> Ahhhhhh, the great nu clur si en tis speaks!!!! But where is his bid, after all it is for charity?????? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 > Oil Wars!! Oil Wars!! > > Actually Steve, I think you've got it. Steve (the Good Cloistered Oyster) > told > me not to worry, that Mike's so tight he squeeks when he moves. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Steve Webre : > >> Seems I'm high bidder at present..... >> >> >> From: mr at carolina.rr.com >> Wuss > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 15:20:32 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:20:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? Message-ID: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, I don't see it on the auction site. http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Listerdiesel wrote: From: Listerdiesel Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 4:23 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- On 18/12/2008, Best, George wrote: > What happened to the charity auction? It used to be announced on the List in October/November as I recall, Spencer would give out the url for the auction and off it would go. Didn't see anything last year until it was almost over, and don't recall anything this year either? There is a King Dick spanner in Greensburg PA for the auction which I left with Dave..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 19 15:26:33 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:26:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com><1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com><5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com><4C154A5E9DC8451AB74E34EAECF68C8B@YOURDA6F5028CB> <6f6025160812191317pd528286h9f65c7d90c7b9955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38A7F63446AD45D58E1483718DE04F70@YOURDA6F5028CB> 8' is what I based my calculations on and we did have a drywall installer that met those criterion. "He" looked just like Clint Walker, the western movie star. His wife, a cute little thing, was his only helper, she nailed the material on but used stilts to reach. Just one little side bar. He was able to pick up two of the 4 x 8 sheets which are taped together for handling, by his teeth, so, your description of your wife's prowess says that she is a pretty tough chick. Behave yourself Peter. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > On 19/12/2008, Skip Cleveland wrote: >> I am still trying to get past a woman what can hold a 4'X8' or 8 x 4 >> sheet >> of drywall up against the clg. by herself. She would have to be at least >> 6'6" tall and weigh in at about 250 lbs. US. >> Skip > > More than that, Skip, our ceiling is 8' 3" off the floor..... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 15:28:27 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:28:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Arnie, I?prefer?the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on my trailer. This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: From: fero_ah at city-net.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:10 AM Hi Dave, Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer deck to help keep engines from moving around.? I like #10 x 3" long. I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. 8-))) See ya,? Arnie Quoting Dave Merchant : > The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, > especially for a ceiling.? In the US, they are black oxide coated, > coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. > > They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is > wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support > for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. > > Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 15:41:55 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:41:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 Message-ID: <880237.7371.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not now,,,,,,,,,,,,, Bid? 'er up. --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Mike Royster wrote: From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 5:52 PM So it appears.......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Webre" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 > > > Seems I'm high bidder at present..... > > -Steve- > > > > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > Wuss > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Webre" > To: "sel" > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 15 > > >> >> >> Coward.???:) >> >> -Steve- >> >> >> >> >> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- >> From: mr at carolina.rr.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:54:03 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> >> I'll sell you mine!!!!! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Webre" >> To: "sel" >> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> >> >>> Mike, >>> >>> $100?? Not yet.? I don't have the jeep that goes w/ that manual..... >>> >>> What are YOU waiting for? >>> >>> -Steve- >>> >>> >>> Since Webre is so brave and bold, he should start the bidding at 100 >>> bucks >>> i >>> would think!!!! >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11 >>> >>> >>>> Now THAT'S just scary.? One Oil Man telling ANOTHER Oil Man that he's >>>> gonna have to dig DEEP if he wants to win the auction. >>>> >>>> That damn manual is gonna end up costing more than a new Jeep!!? 8->>>> >>>> >>>> See ya,? Arnie >>>> >>>> Quoting Steve Webre : >>>> >>>>> And some of us will have loads of fun bidding also.... >>>>> >>>>> heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) >>>>> >>>>> -Steve- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes it would, I have the jeep that goes with that manual!!!! >>>>> >>>>> Mike Royster >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: >>>>> > Recently, I picked up a Universal Jeep Model CJ-2A? Operation & Care >>>>> > Manual >>>>> > with a 1947 Copyright date.? Since, I have? no use for it (no Jeep >>>>> > in >>>>> > the >>>>> > garage), would this manual be good item to donate? to the Charity >>>>> > Auction? >>>>> > >>>>> > Francis? Maciel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 19 15:52:31 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:52:31 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494C33BF.6050700@optusnet.com.au> But Rita's heart is pure, giving her the strength of ten, as Alf Tennyson mentioned. JW? From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 19 15:54:48 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:54:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494C3448.2060606@rustic-engines.com> Wimps. :-P 4" bullet head nails, soap, favorite claw hammer, 1/8" nail punch ...... Yeah, and a jumbo pack of adhesive dressings. :-( Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Alan wrote: > Hey Arnie, > I prefer the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on my trailer. > This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. > The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:10 AM > > Hi Dave, > > Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer deck to > help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. > > I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. > 8-))) > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Dave Merchant : > > >> The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, >> especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, >> coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. >> >> They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is >> wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support >> for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. >> >> Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 16:40:36 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:40:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: <510628.16762.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Actually I like Form Nails even better than deck screws for my engine blocks. I am talking about the nails with two heads. One to set and the other one stands tall for easy pulling. Faster to set than screws and faster to remove. Just a hammer and no fancy cordless drill. The screws might hold tighter but the nails are less likely to snap off in a quick stop. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Al Harris wrote: From: Al Harris Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 6:54 PM Wimps. :-P 4" bullet head nails, soap, favorite claw hammer, 1/8" nail punch ...... Yeah, and a jumbo pack of adhesive dressings. :-( Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Alan wrote: > Hey Arnie, > I prefer the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on my trailer. >? This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. > The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:10 AM > > Hi Dave, > > Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer deck to > help keep engines from moving around.? I like #10 x 3" long. > > I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. > 8-))) > > See ya,? Arnie > > Quoting Dave Merchant : > >??? >> The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, >> especially for a ceiling.? In the US, they are black oxide coated, >> coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. >> >> They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is >> wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support >> for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. >> >> Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. >>? ??? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >??? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 19 17:08:27 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:08:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <510628.16762.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <510628.16762.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494C458B.4080505@rustic-engines.com> I'm a bit tired and clumsy of foot these days Alan. If a nails up I'll kick the darn thing, and probably lift my own nail. You're right though, most screws are prone to sheering, whilst a nail is usually softer. Especially if the screw is primed to sheer by over zealous tension from the cordless drill. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Alan wrote: > Actually I like Form Nails even better than deck screws for my > engine blocks. > I am talking about the nails with two heads. > One to set and the other one stands tall for easy pulling. > Faster to set than screws and faster to remove. > Just a hammer and no fancy cordless drill. > The screws might hold tighter but the nails are less likely to > snap off in a quick stop. > > Alan in Michigan > > > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Al Harris wrote: > > From: Al Harris > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 6:54 PM > > Wimps. :-P > > 4" bullet head nails, soap, favorite claw hammer, 1/8" nail punch ...... > > Yeah, and a jumbo pack of adhesive dressings. :-( > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Alan wrote: > >> Hey Arnie, >> I prefer the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on my trailer. >> This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. >> The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. >> >> Alan in Michigan >> >> --- On Fri, 12/19/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >> >> From: fero_ah at city-net.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:10 AM >> >> Hi Dave, >> >> Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer deck to >> help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. >> >> I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. >> 8-))) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Dave Merchant : >> >> >> >>> The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, >>> especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, >>> coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. >>> >>> They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is >>> wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support >>> for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. >>> >>> Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Dec 19 18:08:35 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:08:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter - now homebuilding In-Reply-To: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219204757.02ce7c80@ncweb.com> New deck screws are coming thru in the US with T25 Torx heads. Gives a real positive drive, but don't know how they'd be to remove after a few years exposure. Previously in the US, deck screws used a "combo" head, square drive superimposed on Phillips. Gave a lot of engagement for the matching driver, really worked well, but the T25 seems slightly better. Cement board screws here have square drive, and it's real easy to strip the square out to round, especially with the super-hard old pine studs + joists in our old house. Worst is square drive in some stainless screws we tried to use. The stainless is too soft, stripped out many heads. Deck screws, at least in the US, have a very special coating, since the enviro-crazies got the normal green pressure treated timber banned. The replacement is also green, but is about 4 times more corrosive to fasteners than the old stuff. (Manufacturer's statement, not mine!) We built a scaffold last year from pressure treated + 1/2" chromated bolts. Had it up for 2 weeks before dismantling it, and the bolts look like battery terminals. In areas subject to shear loads, I use a combination of nails + deck screws, the screws prevent pull-out, and the nails handle the shear. Dave Merchant At 06:28 PM 12/19/2008, Alan wrote: >Hey Arnie, >I prefer the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on >my trailer. > This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. >The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. > >Alan in Michigan > >--- On Fri, 12/19/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >From: fero_ah at city-net.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:10 AM > >Hi Dave, > >Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer >deck to >help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. > >I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. >8-))) > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Dave Merchant : > > > The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, > > especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, > > coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. > > > > They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is > > wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support > > for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. > > > > Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 18:18:13 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:18:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: <673292.78321.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So, Al, The way I figure it,,,, If I am going to pick my foot up to clear a 2X4 then I will probably clear those little nail heads too. 8>)) Actually another reason I like those nails is because I just have an old Makita 9.6 cordless drill and a cheap China 14 Volt one. Neither one is dependable with a lot of screws. I can't afford to go buy one of those fancy new 18 - 24 V. Lithium Ion drills. A builder I used to be partnered with said 16 penny nails sheer strength is 1000 pounds. I would rather go pick up that very nice 32 V. self starting Delco Light plant for just $500. The nice part is the box of 32 V. lightbulbs, the two 32 V. motors, the fancy old brass lamp and the nice small power hacksaw that all come with the Delco. I am not really into Delco light plants but this one comes from a very dear friend that probably will not be with us much longer. I heard him tell someone the price with everything was $ 1200 then when he told me the price for me I kinda got the idea he wanted me to have it. 8>)) It is such a complete display and very popular at shows. Besides,,, I wouldn't have much fun at shows with a fancy new drill. 8>))) Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Al Harris wrote: From: Al Harris Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 8:08 PM I'm a bit tired and clumsy of foot these days Alan. If a nails up I'll kick the darn thing, and probably lift my own nail. You're right though, most screws are prone to sheering, whilst a nail is usually softer. Especially if the screw is primed to sheer by over zealous tension from the cordless drill. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Alan wrote: > Actually I? like Form Nails even better than deck screws for my >? engine blocks. > I am talking about the nails with two heads. > One to set and the other one stands tall for easy pulling. > Faster to set than screws and faster to remove. > Just a hammer and no fancy cordless drill. > The screws might hold tighter but the nails are less likely to >? snap off in a quick stop. > > Alan in Michigan From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 19 18:43:52 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:43:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter In-Reply-To: <673292.78321.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <673292.78321.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494C5BE8.9040100@rustic-engines.com> Alan wrote: > So, Al, The way I figure it,,,, If I am going to pick my foot up to clear a 2X4 then I > will probably clear those little nail heads too. 8>)) > LOL Nah, wouldn't happen ... oops. ;-) > Actually another reason I like those nails is because I just have an old Makita 9.6 > cordless drill and a cheap China 14 Volt one. > Neither one is dependable with a lot of screws. > I can't afford to go buy one of those fancy new 18 - 24 V. Lithium Ion drills. > A builder I used to be partnered with said 16 penny nails sheer strength is 1000 pounds. > Sounds right. > I would rather go pick up that very nice 32 V. self starting Delco Light plant for just $500. > The nice part is the box of 32 V. lightbulbs, the two 32 V. motors, the fancy old > brass lamp and the nice small power hacksaw that all come with the Delco. > I am not really into Delco light plants but this one comes from a very dear friend that > probably will not be with us much longer. > I heard him tell someone the price with everything was $ 1200 then when he told me > the price for me I kinda got the idea he wanted me to have it. 8>)) > It is such a complete display and very popular at shows. > Would be a nice display, and playable with. :-) > Besides,,, I wouldn't have much fun at shows with a fancy new drill. 8>))) > > Alan in Michigan > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri Dec 19 19:04:36 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:04:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter References: <002401c960a0$fb29bc20$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6f6025160812172338o4c5220b9kcdee50b318446688@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812181111l6d356ef9x324e38e1d9b4a3e9@mail.gmail.com> <1229631765.494ab11520754@webmail.city-net.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20081219100835.03095ec0@ncweb.com> <4C154A5E9DC8451AB74E34EAECF68C8B@YOURDA6F5028CB> <6f6025160812191317pd528286h9f65c7d90c7b9955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I once saw a very medium sized guy pick up a 10 ft. sheet of 5/8 fire stop drywall by himself and screw it on to the wall. His method was to take a mouthful of screws, hold the sheet up with one hand, feed the screws one at a time out of his mouth to his screw gun and install them with amazing accuracyand speed, starting in the middle and working outward in a circle. Anybody that can hold up a sheet of this stuff by himself has got King Kong beat a mile. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter On 19/12/2008, Skip Cleveland wrote: > I am still trying to get past a woman what can hold a > 4'X8' or 8 x 4 sheet > of drywall up against the clg. by herself. She would have > to be at least > 6'6" tall and weigh in at about 250 lbs. US. > Skip More than that, Skip, our ceiling is 8' 3" off the floor..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Dec 19 19:10:12 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:10:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: <410-220081262031012171@earthlink.net> Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas . > I can't afford to go buy one of those fancy new 18 - 24 V. Lithium Ion drills. The Lithium Ion batteries are not worth a shit. Your better off with the Ni-Cad Packs. They will last longer on a charge, charge quicker and don't just quit when going dead. The Lithium Ion ones will just stop. At least with the NiCads, you have a chance to put it in low and finish putting the screw in before it will die all the way. The average barn I build will use around 12,000 1 1/2" screws to hold the skin on and we put both types of batteries to the test, the NiCads lasted almost twice as long as the Lithium ones did per charge. > A builder I used to be partnered with said 16 penny nails sheer strength is 1000 pounds. Actually it is about 400 pounds sheer strength. This was tested years ago by a metalurgist that worked for Bendix. He did many test on many nails and the average was close to 400. Tim Christoff Basehor Ks. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Dec 19 19:11:04 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:11:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel Message-ID: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, just kidding. My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to get another. I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I like the power of a diesel. I don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on MPG on the diesel. I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is it a fairly powerful engine, etc? Please give me your thoughts. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 19:14:59 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:14:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: <111828.14272.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On the wall that is easy. I used to do it that way all the time. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Jim Kirkes wrote: From: Jim Kirkes Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 10:04 PM I once saw a very medium sized guy pick up a 10 ft. sheet of 5/8 fire stop drywall by himself and screw it on to the wall.? His method was to take a mouthful of screws, hold the sheet up with one hand, feed the screws one at a time out of his mouth to his screw gun and install them with amazing accuracyand speed, starting in the middle and working outward in a circle.? Anybody that can hold up a sheet of this stuff by himself has got King Kong beat a mile. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter On 19/12/2008, Skip Cleveland wrote: > I am still trying to get past a woman what can hold a > 4'X8' or 8 x 4 sheet > of drywall up against the clg. by herself. She would have > to be at least > 6'6" tall and weigh in at about 250 lbs. US. > Skip More than that, Skip, our ceiling is 8' 3" off the floor..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Dec 19 19:18:28 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:18:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter - now homebuilding Message-ID: <410-220081262031828390@earthlink.net> Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Dave Merchant > To: The SEL email discussion list ; The SEL email discussion list > Date: 12/19/2008 8:10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter - now homebuilding > > New deck screws are coming thru in the US with T25 Torx heads. > Gives a real positive drive, but don't know how they'd be to remove > after a few years exposure. They seem to come back out very well as long as the head isn't packed with dirt. Pretty pricy though. > > Previously in the US, deck screws used a "combo" head, square drive > superimposed on Phillips. Gave a lot of engagement for the matching > driver, really worked well, but the T25 seems slightly better. The square drives are great as long as you use just a square tip, that combo tip is still too much like a phillips bit and will still start stripping them out after the first 100 or so. > > Cement board screws here have square drive, and it's real easy to > strip the square out to round, especially with the super-hard old pine > studs + joists in our old house. Worst is square drive in some stainless > screws we tried to use. The stainless is too soft, stripped out many heads. There is one stainless screw out there (don't know the name) but I never could strip one. One of my customers had gotten ahold of a 50lb box of them and I never could find them after that. > > Deck screws, at least in the US, have a very special coating, since the > enviro-crazies got the normal green pressure treated timber banned. Might want to check out the patten office on that one. Seems like just when CCA was determined bad for the enviroment, 3M's process patten ran out. Thats when they came out with ACQ and yes, that stuff will eat through damn near anything. > The replacement is also green, but is about 4 times more corrosive > to fasteners than the old stuff. (Manufacturer's statement, not mine!) > > We built a scaffold last year from pressure treated + 1/2" chromated bolts. > Had it up for 2 weeks before dismantling it, and the bolts look like > battery terminals. You should see what it does to a triple dip post mount after 2 months. > > > > >Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer > >deck to > >help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. > > > >I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a change. > >8-))) > > > >See ya, Arnie > > > >Quoting Dave Merchant : > > > > > The purpose-made drywall screws are probably more secure than nails, > > > especially for a ceiling. In the US, they are black oxide coated, > > > coarse thread, trumpet head, available in a wide variety of sizes. > > > > > > They differ from normal flat head screws in that the head is > > > wider compared to the thread diameter to give better support > > > for the plasterboard (US = drywall) without breaking the paper surface. > > > > > > Normally Philips head, they drive easy + fast. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Dec 19 19:20:11 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:20:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter Message-ID: <410-220081262032011312@earthlink.net> Been hanging 5/8's firerock for a week now and it still takes 2 of use to pick up a 12 footer. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Jim Kirkes > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 12/19/2008 9:05:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > > I once saw a very medium sized guy pick up a 10 ft. sheet of > 5/8 fire stop drywall by himself and screw it on to the > wall. His method was to take a mouthful of screws, hold the > sheet up with one hand, feed the screws one at a time out of > his mouth to his screw gun and install them with amazing > accuracyand speed, starting in the middle and working > outward in a circle. Anybody that can hold up a sheet of > this stuff by himself has got King Kong beat a mile. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter > > > On 19/12/2008, Skip Cleveland > wrote: > > I am still trying to get past a woman what can hold a > > 4'X8' or 8 x 4 sheet > > of drywall up against the clg. by herself. She would have > > to be at least > > 6'6" tall and weigh in at about 250 lbs. US. > > Skip > > More than that, Skip, our ceiling is 8' 3" off the > floor..... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release > Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 19 20:42:59 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:42:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez In-Reply-To: <410-220081262031828390@earthlink.net> References: <410-220081262031828390@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <494C77D3.7060508@rustic-engines.com> > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/967794/shear_strength_of_nails_drywall_screws_amp_construction_screw/ Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tim Christoff wrote: > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Dave Merchant >> To: The SEL email discussion list ; The >> > SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 12/19/2008 8:10:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter - now homebuilding >> >> New deck screws are coming thru in the US with T25 Torx heads. >> Gives a real positive drive, but don't know how they'd be to remove >> after a few years exposure. >> > > They seem to come back out very well as long as the head isn't packed with > dirt. Pretty pricy though. > >> Previously in the US, deck screws used a "combo" head, square drive >> superimposed on Phillips. Gave a lot of engagement for the matching >> driver, really worked well, but the T25 seems slightly better. >> > > The square drives are great as long as you use just a square tip, that > combo tip is still too much like a phillips bit and will still start > stripping them out after the first 100 or so. > >> Cement board screws here have square drive, and it's real easy to >> strip the square out to round, especially with the super-hard old pine >> studs + joists in our old house. Worst is square drive in some stainless >> screws we tried to use. The stainless is too soft, stripped out many >> > heads. > > There is one stainless screw out there (don't know the name) but I never > could strip one. One of my customers had gotten ahold of a 50lb box of > them and I never could find them after that. > >> Deck screws, at least in the US, have a very special coating, since the >> enviro-crazies got the normal green pressure treated timber banned. >> > > Might want to check out the patten office on that one. Seems like just > when CCA was determined bad for the enviroment, 3M's process patten ran > out. Thats when they came out with ACQ and yes, that stuff will eat > through damn near anything. > > >> The replacement is also green, but is about 4 times more corrosive >> to fasteners than the old stuff. (Manufacturer's statement, not mine!) >> >> We built a scaffold last year from pressure treated + 1/2" chromated >> > bolts. > >> Had it up for 2 weeks before dismantling it, and the bolts look like >> battery terminals. >> > > You should see what it does to a triple dip post mount after 2 months. > >>> Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer >>> deck to >>> help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. >>> >>> I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a >>> > change. > >>> 8-))) >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Dec 19 21:16:19 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:16:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez Message-ID: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net> That video really doesn't prove much Al, not trying to pick a fight. Sheetrock screws are designed for sheetrock into lumber, thats it. Using them for anything else and they can and will shear easily. When watching that video, the man hit the construction screw in the threaded area. Yes it will shear easily there. That is why you buy construction screws with a shank that will allow the threads to completly embed in the receiving lumber and not between the two peices being joined. The shank will have greater shear strength then the threaded part. Nails are also (most of them) made of softer metal so they will bend or pull before shearing. You can take a ring shank nail of a 60D size, that's a hell of a lot bigger around than a 16D, and shear it in half with just 2 hits of a 22 oz hammer if the ring part of the nail is not completly embelded in the lumber. So there is a large nail that is no better than a smaller screw when not used properly. With the proper screw being used, you can put something together a lot tighter and stronger than you can using nails but you will also pay for it in the cost of the screws and the time it takes to insert them. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Al Harris > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 12/19/2008 10:43:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez > > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/967794/shear_strength_of_nails_drywall_screws_ amp_construction_screw/ > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Tim Christoff wrote: > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Dave Merchant > >> To: The SEL email discussion list ; The > >> > > SEL email discussion list > > > >> Date: 12/19/2008 8:10:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter - now homebuilding > >> > >> New deck screws are coming thru in the US with T25 Torx heads. > >> Gives a real positive drive, but don't know how they'd be to remove > >> after a few years exposure. > >> > > > > They seem to come back out very well as long as the head isn't packed with > > dirt. Pretty pricy though. > > > >> Previously in the US, deck screws used a "combo" head, square drive > >> superimposed on Phillips. Gave a lot of engagement for the matching > >> driver, really worked well, but the T25 seems slightly better. > >> > > > > The square drives are great as long as you use just a square tip, that > > combo tip is still too much like a phillips bit and will still start > > stripping them out after the first 100 or so. > > > >> Cement board screws here have square drive, and it's real easy to > >> strip the square out to round, especially with the super-hard old pine > >> studs + joists in our old house. Worst is square drive in some stainless > >> screws we tried to use. The stainless is too soft, stripped out many > >> > > heads. > > > > There is one stainless screw out there (don't know the name) but I never > > could strip one. One of my customers had gotten ahold of a 50lb box of > > them and I never could find them after that. > > > >> Deck screws, at least in the US, have a very special coating, since the > >> enviro-crazies got the normal green pressure treated timber banned. > >> > > > > Might want to check out the patten office on that one. Seems like just > > when CCA was determined bad for the enviroment, 3M's process patten ran > > out. Thats when they came out with ACQ and yes, that stuff will eat > > through damn near anything. > > > > > >> The replacement is also green, but is about 4 times more corrosive > >> to fasteners than the old stuff. (Manufacturer's statement, not mine!) > >> > >> We built a scaffold last year from pressure treated + 1/2" chromated > >> > > bolts. > > > >> Had it up for 2 weeks before dismantling it, and the bolts look like > >> battery terminals. > >> > > > > You should see what it does to a triple dip post mount after 2 months. > > > >>> Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your trailer > >>> deck to > >>> help keep engines from moving around. I like #10 x 3" long. > >>> > >>> I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a > >>> > > change. > > > >>> 8-))) > >>> > >>> See ya, Arnie > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Dec 19 21:26:37 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:26:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <005201c96263$8849c4b0$98dd4e10$@net> Hey Tommy Nuther good place to look for info would be an RV list on yahoo. I went that route before I bought my last truck (debating Ford, GM or Dodge diesels). Lotsa folks pull those big 5th wheel travel trailers & can give you opinions. Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, just kidding. My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to get another. I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I like the power of a diesel. I don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on MPG on the diesel. I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is it a fairly powerful engine, etc? Please give me your thoughts. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Dec 19 21:33:51 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:33:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez In-Reply-To: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net> References: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <494C83BF.7090304@rustic-engines.com> So you didn't think much of the professional presentation, the accuracy of the data and the obvious amount of research that went into that production. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tim Christoff wrote: > That video really doesn't prove much Al, not trying to pick a fight. > Sheetrock screws are designed for sheetrock into lumber, thats it. Using > them for anything else and they can and will shear easily. When watching > that video, the man hit the construction screw in the threaded area. Yes > it will shear easily there. That is why you buy construction screws with a > shank that will allow the threads to completly embed in the receiving > lumber and not between the two peices being joined. The shank will have > greater shear strength then the threaded part. Nails are also (most of > them) made of softer metal so they will bend or pull before shearing. You > can take a ring shank nail of a 60D size, that's a hell of a lot bigger > around than a 16D, and shear it in half with just 2 hits of a 22 oz hammer > if the ring part of the nail is not completly embelded in the lumber. So > there is a large nail that is no better than a smaller screw when not used > properly. With the proper screw being used, you can put something together > a lot tighter and stronger than you can using nails but you will also pay > for it in the cost of the screws and the time it takes to insert them. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 21:51:39 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:51:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812192151r307074c4h198322686d80a4b3@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/2008, Alan wrote: > Hi Peter, > I don't see it on the auction site. > http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity > > Alan in Michigan No, I think I'll need to put it on, but Dave has the spanner with him, I left it for him to hold for the auction. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Dec 19 22:25:20 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:25:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812192151r307074c4h198322686d80a4b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160812192151r307074c4h198322686d80a4b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, Should I take a picture of the wrench and send it to you so you can put it up properly? As you know it's a nice sized King Dick--5/8 Woodworth X 3/4 Woodworth. It is "as new" and I don't think either end has ever seen a nut, much less touched one! Your wish is my command! Dave PS, Did they put a S/N on these King Dick wrenches? There is the number 1207887 on the obverse of the 5/8 W end! On Dec 20, 2008, at 12:51 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 19/12/2008, Alan wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> I don't see it on the auction site. >> http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity >> >> Alan in Michigan > > No, I think I'll need to put it on, but Dave has the spanner with him, > I left it for him to hold for the auction. > > Peter From kosh at ncweb.com Sat Dec 20 02:02:59 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:02:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <005201c96263$8849c4b0$98dd4e10$@net> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081220045244.02a20b40@ncweb.com> I bought a 2003 RAM 2500 with the 5.7 Hemi a few months ago, a bit over 100K miles. It's a really sophisticated engine, high teens if you don't push it too hard, but goes like a raped ape if you put your foot in it. Only problem is, you can only do it for a few seconds before you're a speeder. Not much torque, so they put a 5 speed (3 + 2 overdrives) behind it. Revs to about 6000 before it shifts. I bought it when gas was at $4, dealer practically gave it away. We like it a lot! I believe the newer ones may turn off cylinders to save even more. Dave Merchant At 12:26 AM 12/20/2008, you wrote: >Hey Tommy > >Nuther good place to look for info would be an RV list on yahoo. I went >that route before I bought my last truck (debating Ford, GM or Dodge >diesels). Lotsa folks pull those big 5th wheel travel trailers & can give >you opinions. > >Lew near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- > >OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on this.... >in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, just kidding. > >My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to get >another. I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks have had >Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I like the power of a diesel. I >don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying around >50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas although I know there will be a 30 >to 40% gain on MPG on the diesel. > >I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year old, 9000 >miles and has all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi gas >engine rather than a diesel. Do any of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? >Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is it a fairly powerful >engine, etc? > >Please give me your thoughts. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 >10:09 AM > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 05:22:30 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:22:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: References: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160812192151r307074c4h198322686d80a4b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812200522m7b350859s359ae2cd10cd0f27@mail.gmail.com> On 20/12/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > Peter, > Should I take a picture of the wrench and send it to you so you can > put it up properly? As you know it's a nice sized King Dick--5/8 > Whitworth X 3/4 Whitworth. It is "as new" and I don't think either end > has ever seen a nut, much less touched one! Your wish is my command! > Dave > PS, Did they put a S/N on these King Dick wrenches? There is the > number 1207887 on the obverse of the 5/8 W end! Hi Dave: As you are more familiar with the auction operations, would you do me a great favour and put it on there for me please? The number you mentioned is probably either the MOD (Ministry of Defence) stores number of the tool part number, they wouldn't have been serialised. Note that the word you were looking for is "Whitworth", I have corrected your post above to reflect the correct name, we must keep Sir Joseph happy! Many thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 05:27:05 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:27:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com> On 20/12/2008, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on this.... > in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, just kidding. > Tommy: I have no experience with the large USA pickups, only the smaller but more frugal European machinery. One thing they all have in common, is an increased complexity of electronic equipment, such that it can be very difficult to get any kind of service/repair done unless you go to a franchised dealership. OK, not everyone wants to get their hands dirty, but while we used to do a lot of the work on our vans, nowadays we cannot get into them, it's all sealed boxes everywhere. >From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine. Just a thought. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 06:44:43 2008 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:44:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <305501.24082.qm@web52304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Tommy I would not buy a new diesel until this DPF bs is sorted out.? There are heaps of older?lightly used low mileage diesels out there.? I'd hunt around for one of those.? Found my 97 F350 diesel on truckpaper.com with only 36K.? I will never ever go back to driving a gasser.? --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: From: Judge Tommy Turner Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 10:11 PM OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, just kidding. My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to get another. I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I like the power of a diesel. I don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on MPG on the diesel. I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is it a fairly powerful engine, etc? Please give me your thoughts. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sat Dec 20 07:06:43 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:06:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <00e301c962b4$9246f950$12d74c0c@D48VHZ61> No personal experience but I workd with a guy who has a 4wd with a Hemi. It drinks so much fuel he bought used little Honda car to drive back and forth to work. He originally bought the truck to tow a trailer for his side-line business. Now he no longer uses it for that purpose, so its hard to justify the excess fuel consumption. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on > this.... in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, > just kidding. > > My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to get > another. I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks have > had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I like the power of a diesel. > I don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying > around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas although I know there will > be a 30 to 40% gain on MPG on the diesel. > > I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year old, > 9000 miles and has all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a 5.7 > Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any of you have a truck with the > 5.7 in it? Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is it a > fairly powerful engine, etc? > > Please give me your thoughts. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Dec 20 08:56:54 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:56:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Tommy: What are 'ya, some kind of truck snob!??! :-) 200K is all it's got on it? It ain't but just broke-in now. You can stitch old license plates together with metal screws to fix things like rotted floorboards and quarter panels and the bed can be fixed with plywood and duck tape. If you're absolutely in a lather to trade, I would ditch the hemi. Stick with a Cummins. I've gotten to where I won't buy anything but old iron that has spark plugs. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 09:11 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > > OK everyone, I'm consulting the most > knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the > mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get > worked up, just kidding. > > My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 > miles and its time to get another. I can't > decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks > have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I > like the power of a diesel. I don't like paying > $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying > around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas > although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on > MPG on the diesel. > > I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm > looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has > all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a > 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any > of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? Just > curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is > it a fairly powerful engine, etc? > > Please give me your thoughts. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 20 08:31:07 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:31:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: Message-ID: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> I am kind of with Elden, only 200,000!! I bet you take good care of it, and that engine should go 5-600,000 with little to no problem. Like one guy told me, I drive a Cummins with a Dodge wrapped around it. Me, I have 625,000 on a 7.3 Ford, and I would head to the West coast tomorrow, if I had a load. My next truck will probably be a 04-06 Chevy Duramax. Darn good value for the money. Paul - IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Tommy: > > What are 'ya, some kind of truck snob!??! :-) > > 200K is all it's got on it? It ain't but just broke-in now. You can > stitch old license plates together with metal screws to fix things like > rotted floorboards and quarter panels and the bed can be fixed with > plywood and duck tape. > > If you're absolutely in a lather to trade, I would ditch the hemi. Stick > with a Cummins. I've gotten to where I won't buy anything but old iron > that has spark plugs. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Judge Tommy >> Turner >> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 09:11 PM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel >> >> >> OK everyone, I'm consulting the most >> knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the >> mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get >> worked up, just kidding. >> >> My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 >> miles and its time to get another. I can't >> decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks >> have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I >> like the power of a diesel. I don't like paying >> $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying >> around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas >> although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on >> MPG on the diesel. >> >> I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm >> looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has >> all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a >> 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any >> of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? Just >> curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is >> it a fairly powerful engine, etc? >> >> Please give me your thoughts. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 20 08:39:30 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:39:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking In-Reply-To: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1229791170.494d1fc20e1e2@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Alan, I had exactly the opposite experience. I started using the square drive screws and had two problems. One, the screw heads stripped out, and two if you rounded or lost the square drive bit, you were screwed. EVERYONE has the Phillips bits and can loan you one in a pinch. There are two keys to using the Phillips deck screws. Buy top quality screws (they strip out less often) and really press down to get good contact while you're driving the screws. And one more thing, I just don't reuse the screws. Sure it's wasteful, but the hassle of a stripped screw head far outweighs the price of a box of screws. See ya, Arnie Quoting Alan : > I?prefer?the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on my > trailer. This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. > The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 20 08:52:17 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:52:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - now homebuilding (gas pipe corrosion) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219204757.02ce7c80@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081219204757.02ce7c80@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <1229791937.494d22c178f74@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, You bring up an EXCELLENT point. A buddy at work had a length of common black gas pipe that penetrated a pair of pressure-treated sill boards on top of his foundation to take the gas supply out to the gas grill on the deck. The family had been getting whiffs of gas smell both on the deck and in the gameroom. It turns out that the length of pipe was nearly corroded away where it had penetrated the pressure treated wood. NASTY corrosive stuff!! He could have easily been in a situation where the basement filled with gas and you had the classic home-leveling gas explosion. It's a good practice to check anything that's metal penetrating that sort of wood. Since a lot of us use pressure-treated wood for our engine trailer decks, it might be a good idea to check out the condition of the bolts holding the deck to the trailer frame too. See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Merchant : > Deck screws, at least in the US, have a very special coating, since the > enviro-crazies got the normal green pressure treated timber banned. > The replacement is also green, but is about 4 times more corrosive > to fasteners than the old stuff. (Manufacturer's statement, not mine!) > > We built a scaffold last year from pressure treated + 1/2" chromated bolts. > Had it up for 2 weeks before dismantling it, and the bolts look like > battery terminals. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 20 08:55:30 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:55:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Delco Light Plant Display In-Reply-To: <673292.78321.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <673292.78321.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1229792130.494d23824447c@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Alan, Is that power hacksaw also 32V? Man, that sure does sound like an awesome display! Any pictures of it? Is it one of the bigger light plants? See ya, Arnie Quoting Alan : > I would rather go pick up that very nice 32 V. self starting Delco Light > plant for just $500. > The nice part is the box of 32 V. lightbulbs, the two 32 V. motors, the fancy > old > brass lamp and the nice small power hacksaw that all come with the Delco. > I am not really into Delco light plants but this one comes from a very dear > friend that > probably will not be with us much longer. > I heard him tell someone the price with everything was $ 1200 then when he > told me > the price for me I kinda got the idea he wanted me to have it. 8>)) > It is such a complete display and very popular at shows. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 20 10:21:49 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:21:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> Message-ID: <5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx> Yeah, I agree that I've got only about 1/2 the life out of the engine (maybe less than 1/2). But that is one reason I'm looking at doing something now. My truck has enough life left in it that it will bring a few bucks. Most important of all though was that the family went on a trip to NY last weekend in the pickup. The wife said "I want you to get a new truck or at least a newer one". When she says that, its time to trade! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Waugh Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:31 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel I am kind of with Elden, only 200,000!! I bet you take good care of it, and that engine should go 5-600,000 with little to no problem. Like one guy told me, I drive a Cummins with a Dodge wrapped around it. Me, I have 625,000 on a 7.3 Ford, and I would head to the West coast tomorrow, if I had a load. My next truck will probably be a 04-06 Chevy Duramax. Darn good value for the money. Paul - IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Tommy: > > What are 'ya, some kind of truck snob!??! :-) > > 200K is all it's got on it? It ain't but just broke-in now. You can > stitch old license plates together with metal screws to fix things like > rotted floorboards and quarter panels and the bed can be fixed with > plywood and duck tape. > > If you're absolutely in a lather to trade, I would ditch the hemi. Stick > with a Cummins. I've gotten to where I won't buy anything but old iron > that has spark plugs. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Judge Tommy >> Turner >> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 09:11 PM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel >> >> >> OK everyone, I'm consulting the most >> knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the >> mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get >> worked up, just kidding. >> >> My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 >> miles and its time to get another. I can't >> decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks >> have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I >> like the power of a diesel. I don't like paying >> $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying >> around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas >> although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on >> MPG on the diesel. >> >> I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm >> looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has >> all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with a >> 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any >> of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it? Just >> curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is >> it a fairly powerful engine, etc? >> >> Please give me your thoughts. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From weolson at wiktel.com Sat Dec 20 10:43:06 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:43:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez In-Reply-To: <494C83BF.7090304@rustic-engines.com> References: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net> <494C83BF.7090304@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <1489701113.20081220124306@wiktel.com> Hi Al, Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:33:51 PM, you wrote: AH> So you didn't think much of the professional presentation, the accuracy AH> of the data and the obvious amount of research that went into that AH> production. ;-) AH> Cheers, AH> Al Harris AH> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz AH> al.harris at rustic-engines.com AH> Tim Christoff wrote: >> That video really doesn't prove much Al, not trying to pick a fight. >> Sheetrock screws are designed for sheetrock into lumber, thats it. Using >> them for anything else and they can and will shear easily. When watching >> that video, the man hit the construction screw in the threaded area. Yes >> it will shear easily there. That is why you buy construction screws with a >> shank that will allow the threads to completly embed in the receiving >> lumber and not between the two peices being joined. The shank will have >> greater shear strength then the threaded part. Nails are also (most of >> them) made of softer metal so they will bend or pull before shearing. You >> can take a ring shank nail of a 60D size, that's a hell of a lot bigger >> around than a 16D, and shear it in half with just 2 hits of a 22 oz hammer >> if the ring part of the nail is not completly embelded in the lumber. So >> there is a large nail that is no better than a smaller screw when not used >> properly. With the proper screw being used, you can put something together >> a lot tighter and stronger than you can using nails but you will also pay >> for it in the cost of the screws and the time it takes to insert them. >> Tim Christoff >> Basehor Kansas >> AH> _______________________________________________ AH> SEL mailing list AH> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com AH> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel The video wasn't showing the shear strength of the fastener, but the bending force or brittleness of each. Shear strength would be when you fastened two pieces together and then force one of them laterally to try to shear it off, like when two blades of scissors slide on each other. -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sat Dec 20 11:16:51 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:16:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez In-Reply-To: <1489701113.20081220124306@wiktel.com> References: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net> <494C83BF.7090304@rustic-engines.com> <1489701113.20081220124306@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <494D44A3.7040501@rustic-engines.com> Crikey, I wish I had a couple more bridges to flog off. I'm letting go now fellas. ;-) I got a xmas party to get ready for today. You lot up north there - shorts, thongs, beer, prawn/shrimp on the BBQ - ya know. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com William Olson wrote: > Hi Al, > > Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:33:51 PM, you wrote: > > AH> So you didn't think much of the professional presentation, the accuracy > AH> of the data and the obvious amount of research that went into that > AH> production. ;-) > > AH> Cheers, > > AH> Al Harris > AH> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > AH> al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > AH> Tim Christoff wrote: > >>> That video really doesn't prove much Al, not trying to pick a fight. >>> Sheetrock screws are designed for sheetrock into lumber, thats it. Using >>> them for anything else and they can and will shear easily. When watching >>> that video, the man hit the construction screw in the threaded area. Yes >>> it will shear easily there. That is why you buy construction screws with a >>> shank that will allow the threads to completly embed in the receiving >>> lumber and not between the two peices being joined. The shank will have >>> greater shear strength then the threaded part. Nails are also (most of >>> them) made of softer metal so they will bend or pull before shearing. You >>> can take a ring shank nail of a 60D size, that's a hell of a lot bigger >>> around than a 16D, and shear it in half with just 2 hits of a 22 oz hammer >>> if the ring part of the nail is not completly embelded in the lumber. So >>> there is a large nail that is no better than a smaller screw when not used >>> properly. With the proper screw being used, you can put something together >>> a lot tighter and stronger than you can using nails but you will also pay >>> for it in the cost of the screws and the time it takes to insert them. >>> > > >>> Tim Christoff >>> Basehor Kansas >>> >>> > > AH> _______________________________________________ > AH> SEL mailing list > AH> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > AH> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > The video wasn't showing the shear strength of the fastener, but the bending force or brittleness of each. Shear strength would be when you fastened two pieces together and then force one of them laterally to try to shear it off, like when two blades of scissors slide on each other. > > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 20 12:30:13 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:30:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> I would certainly agree with you on this Peter. The newest version of diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas though. I was chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking company. He told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent satellite connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc. while the trucks were on the road. He said everything from a local 1 ton delivery to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way. Really too high tech for me! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > >>From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be > easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine. > > Just a thought. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Dec 20 12:59:03 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:59:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> <6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com> <912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net> Hi Tommy, I'm not even sure that these damn internal combustion engines aren't just the latest "fad." Have you given any thought to steam? Dave On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > I would certainly agree with you on this Peter. The newest version of > diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas > though. I was > chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking > company. He > told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent > satellite > connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc. > while > the trucks were on the road. He said everything from a local 1 ton > delivery > to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way. Really > too high > tech for me! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >> >>> From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be >> easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine. >> >> Just a thought. >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: > 12/17/2008 > 7:21 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 12:46:00 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:46:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Delco Light Plant Display Message-ID: <755855.14045.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Arnie, I don't have any pictures of my soon to be new baby. It didn't look all that big to me. It is on a small wheeled cart. One of those 32V. motors I listed powers the hacksaw. You stand there next to the saw and lamp smiling at folks. When one stops you ask if they would like to see the saw run. Then you tell them to flip the switch and the light plant sitting in the back of his pickup starts up then the saw starts. Just turning on the lamp is not enough to excite the Delco. Bill is very great at displaying this Delco because he grew up with one just like it. He tells folks he was 12 when his dad couldn't get it to run. Dad went to work so Bill opened it up and played with it. Then he started it for his Mom. When Dad came home he gave the Delco to Bill to maintain. I will have to work out my own speel I guess. 8>)) Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 12/20/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: From: fero_ah at city-net.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Delco Light Plant Display To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 11:55 AM Hi Alan, Is that power hacksaw also 32V?? Man, that sure does sound like an awesome display!? Any pictures of it?? Is it one of the bigger light plants? See ya,? Arnie Quoting Alan : > I would rather go pick up that very nice 32 V. self starting Delco Light > plant for just $500. > The nice part is the box of 32 V. lightbulbs, the two 32 V. motors, the fancy > old > brass lamp and the nice small power hacksaw that all come with the Delco. > I am not really into Delco light plants but this one comes from a very dear > friend that >? probably will not be with us much longer. > I heard him tell someone the price with everything was $ 1200 then when he > told me >? the price for me I kinda got the idea he wanted me to have it. 8>)) > It is such a complete display and very popular at shows. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 12:49:01 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:49:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel Message-ID: <192442.52605.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just 200,000 miles? It is just nicely broke in. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: From: Judge Tommy Turner Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 10:11 PM OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on this.... in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked up, just kidding. My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to get another.? I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 trucks have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route.? I like the power of a diesel.? I don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel engine though and paying around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. gas although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on MPG on the diesel. I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year old, 9000 miles and has all the equipment I desire.? Its a Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel.? Do any of you have a truck with the 5.7 in it?? Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it will get, is it a fairly powerful engine, etc? Please give me your thoughts. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 20 13:00:06 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:00:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h><6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com><912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> <52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> Well I've thought about that Dave. I had better do something quick though as I've heard that beginning Jan. 20 we have to run 'em on solar or wind....... maybe an electric 3/4 ton pickup? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Hi Tommy, I'm not even sure that these damn internal combustion > engines aren't just the latest "fad." Have you given any thought to > steam? > Dave > > > On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> >> I would certainly agree with you on this Peter. The newest version of >> diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas >> though. I was >> chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking >> company. He >> told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent >> satellite >> connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc. >> while >> the trucks were on the road. He said everything from a local 1 ton >> delivery >> to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way. Really >> too high >> tech for me! >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>> >>>> From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be >>> easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine. >>> >>> Just a thought. >>> >>> Peter >>> -- >>> Peter A Forbes >>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: >> 12/17/2008 >> 7:21 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 13:10:39 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:10:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking Message-ID: <897501.52536.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Arnie, You have been nuked or something. If the square drive holes aren't full of crud and you use the right bit they won't strip out like that. Whenever one of my cordless or even a power drill goes out my drill accessory kit goes too. There are at least a dozen square drive inserts and two dozen Phillip's inserts in there. If one does leave a drill and I don't have the kit with me it goes in my pocket. I?do reuse the square drive screws. These are tools to me. Aren't they actually toys to you? 8>)) Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 12/20/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: From: fero_ah at city-net.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 11:39 AM Hi Alan, I had exactly the opposite experience.? I started using the square drive screws and had two problems.? One, the screw heads stripped out, and two if you rounded or lost the square drive bit, you were screwed.? EVERYONE has the Phillips bits and can loan you one in a pinch. There are two keys to using the Phillips deck screws.? Buy top quality screws (they strip out less often) and really press down to get good contact while you're driving the screws.? And one more thing, I just don't reuse the screws. Sure it's wasteful, but the hassle of a stripped screw head far outweighs the price of a box of screws. See ya,? Arnie Quoting Alan : > I?prefer?the square drive decking screws for screwing down the blocks on my > trailer.? This really helps the engines stay where I want them to. > The square drive doesn't strip out like the Phillips drive ones do. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 20 13:34:04 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:34:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Delco Light Plant Display In-Reply-To: <755855.14045.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <755855.14045.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1229808844.494d64ccc93f6@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Alan, Bill Tremel and his dad had a great light plant setup. It was a duplicate of the oil well drilling platform where the light plant came from with loads of lights. They'd to that same sort of "flip the switch" spiel. It worked a treat. See ya, Arnie Quoting Alan : > I don't have any pictures of my soon to be new baby. > It didn't look all that big to me. > It is on a small wheeled cart. > > One of those 32V. motors I listed powers the hacksaw. > You stand there next to the saw and lamp smiling at folks. > When one stops you ask if they would like to see the saw run. > Then you tell them to flip the switch and the light plant sitting in the back > of his pickup starts up then the saw starts. > Just turning on the lamp is not enough to excite the Delco. > Bill is very great at displaying this Delco because he grew up with one just > like it. > He tells folks he was 12 when his dad couldn't get it to run. > Dad went to work so Bill opened it up and played with it. > Then he started it for his Mom. > When Dad came home he gave the Delco to Bill to maintain. > > I will have to work out my own speel I guess. 8>)) From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 20 13:48:31 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:48:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h><6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com><912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> <52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net> <6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <1229809711.494d682f462cf@webmail.city-net.com> Tommy, >From what I've heard, it's gonna be wind powered trucks. As a part of the "make jobs / improve the nation's infrastructure" project, Obama and his advisors are planning to raise all of the bridges over the Interstate highways to provide clearance for the windmills that will be mounted on top of the trucks to power them. BTW they are also going to require that ALL of the big rigs have arrays of solar panels mounted on top. It's gonna be a Brave New World. See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Well I've thought about that Dave. I had better do something quick though as > I've heard that beginning Jan. 20 we have to run 'em on solar or wind....... > maybe an electric 3/4 ton pickup? From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Dec 20 14:54:08 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:54:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h><6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com><912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> <52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net> <6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, Are you having buyers remorse already? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Dec 20, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Well I've thought about that Dave. I had better do something quick > though as > I've heard that beginning Jan. 20 we have to run 'em on solar or > wind....... > maybe an electric 3/4 ton pickup? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > >> Hi Tommy, I'm not even sure that these damn internal combustion >> engines aren't just the latest "fad." Have you given any thought to >> steam? >> Dave >> >> >> On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >>> >>> I would certainly agree with you on this Peter. The newest >>> version of >>> diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas >>> though. I was >>> chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking >>> company. He >>> told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent >>> satellite >>> connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc. >>> while >>> the trucks were on the road. He said everything from a local 1 ton >>> delivery >>> to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way. Really >>> too high >>> tech for me! >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be >>>> easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine. >>>> >>>> Just a thought. >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> -- >>>> Peter A Forbes >>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: >>> 12/17/2008 >>> 7:21 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: > 12/17/2008 > 7:21 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Dec 20 16:57:59 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:57:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> Message-ID: <20081220225806.57A74228344@md5.pennswoods.net> Tommy i have a friend the has a salvage business with autos. He was going to buy a newer ford with the 6.0 D engine. Factor rep told him to stay awayFrom them they had them down all over the country. He said stay with Cummins or the Duramax. R Fink PA At 11:31 AM 12/20/2008 -0500, you wrote: >I am kind of with Elden, only 200,000!! I bet you take good care of it, and >that engine should go 5-600,000 with little to no problem. Like one guy >told me, I drive a Cummins with a Dodge wrapped around it. Me, I have >625,000 on a 7.3 Ford, and I would head to the West coast tomorrow, if I had >a load. My next truck will probably be a 04-06 Chevy Duramax. Darn good >value for the money. From falcon at telenet.net Sat Dec 20 15:05:18 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:05:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <494D7A2E.5030307@telenet.net> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK everyone, I'm consulting the most knowledgeable people I know on > this.... in the mean time I'll ask all of you..... don't get worked > up, just kidding. > > My '99 Dodge Ram Pickup has turned over 200,000 miles and its time to > get another. I can't decide to stick with a diesel (the last 3 > trucks have had Cummins engines) or go the gas route. I like the > power of a diesel. I don't like paying $5000 more for a diesel > engine though and paying around 50% more at the pump for diesel vs. > gas although I know there will be a 30 to 40% gain on MPG on the > diesel. > > I've found a truck that's exactly what I'm looking for, its a year > old, 9000 miles and has all the equipment I desire. Its a Dodge with > a 5.7 Hemi gas engine rather than a diesel. Do any of you have a > truck with the 5.7 in it? Just curious what kind of fuel mileage it > will get, is it a fairly powerful engine, etc? > > Please give me your thoughts. > > Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > FIL has a 3/4 ton with a hemi in it. It LOVES gas. 13-15 is the best it gets. Plenty of power and will scream down the road. I would say to go with an oil burner. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Dec 20 15:14:29 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:14:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> <20081220225806.57A74228344@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <001001c962f8$b61a7b10$66674b47@mikecomp> I have the new Chevy Silverado 2500 with the duramaz 6 speed automatic. Loads of torque, quick acceleration, pulls great. I have a service body on it full of tools and it gets 17-19mpg combination city / highway driving. I like it. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Tommy i have a friend the has a salvage business with autos. He was > going to buy a newer ford with the 6.0 D engine. Factor rep told him > to stay awayFrom them they had them down all over the country. He > said stay with Cummins or the Duramax. > R Fink > PA > > > > At 11:31 AM 12/20/2008 -0500, you wrote: >>I am kind of with Elden, only 200,000!! I bet you take good care of it, >>and >>that engine should go 5-600,000 with little to no problem. Like one guy >>told me, I drive a Cummins with a Dodge wrapped around it. Me, I have >>625,000 on a 7.3 Ford, and I would head to the West coast tomorrow, if I >>had >>a load. My next truck will probably be a 04-06 Chevy Duramax. Darn good >>value for the money. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 20 16:44:33 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:44:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h><6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com><912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h><52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net><6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <28F51982CB144BFB94A576AC04E1C4C3@tommydk7hxjr4h> Heck no, I'm just trying to figure out if this new truck needs to be 220 or 3 phase. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Hi Tommy, Are you having buyers remorse already? > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Dec 20, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Well I've thought about that Dave. I had better do something quick >> though as >> I've heard that beginning Jan. 20 we have to run 'em on solar or >> wind....... >> maybe an electric 3/4 ton pickup? >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel >> >> >>> Hi Tommy, I'm not even sure that these damn internal combustion >>> engines aren't just the latest "fad." Have you given any thought to >>> steam? >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I would certainly agree with you on this Peter. The newest >>>> version of >>>> diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas >>>> though. I was >>>> chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking >>>> company. He >>>> told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent >>>> satellite >>>> connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc. >>>> while >>>> the trucks were on the road. He said everything from a local 1 ton >>>> delivery >>>> to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way. Really >>>> too high >>>> tech for me! >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be >>>>> easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine. >>>>> >>>>> Just a thought. >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter A Forbes >>>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: >>>> 12/17/2008 >>>> 7:21 PM >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: >> 12/17/2008 >> 7:21 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sat Dec 20 16:55:47 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:55:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <28F51982CB144BFB94A576AC04E1C4C3@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h><6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com><912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h><52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net><6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h> <28F51982CB144BFB94A576AC04E1C4C3@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <003001c96306$dc6a5700$953f0500$@net> Well, 3ph should run cheaper but limited availability :) :) Lew -----Original Message----- Heck no, I'm just trying to figure out if this new truck needs to be 220 or 3 phase. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 20 17:02:03 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:02:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> <20081220225806.57A74228344@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <7DCAA9C24F3841619A36DAF8951BB957@tommydk7hxjr4h> I've heard the same thing about the Fords. I hate that as they're made about 45 miles from me and I've got about a dozen neighbors that work there (well, they have worked there I should say..... ) They're on a 4 week layoff right now and have been told it might be extended. I passed their lot a couple of days ago and I bet there is 5000 new F 250's and F 350's sitting there. If I could only go in and pick one out (for free) I'd put up with some mechanic work. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY PS: Talking about getting one for free, there is a guy who lives about 5 miles from me and the RR track (L&N which is now CSX) goes through his property. A new F 250, loaded on a rail car, fell off and rolled down an embankment and ended up in his hay field. The authorities determined that the rail car had been sabotaged by vandals with a cutting torch. Still don't see how the pickup came off but it did. Ford and CSX signed an agreement with him that was a settlement of sorts. In return for holding them harmless for the incident, he got the pickup. It was banged up all over but would run. He had a neighbor beat it out so the doors would shut, etc. and put some new glass in it. He drove it for a few years around the farm, to the feed store etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Tommy i have a friend the has a salvage business with autos. He was > going to buy a newer ford with the 6.0 D engine. Factor rep told him > to stay awayFrom them they had them down all over the country. He > said stay with Cummins or the Duramax. > R Fink > PA > > > > At 11:31 AM 12/20/2008 -0500, you wrote: >>I am kind of with Elden, only 200,000!! I bet you take good care of it, >>and >>that engine should go 5-600,000 with little to no problem. Like one guy >>told me, I drive a Cummins with a Dodge wrapped around it. Me, I have >>625,000 on a 7.3 Ford, and I would head to the West coast tomorrow, if I >>had >>a load. My next truck will probably be a 04-06 Chevy Duramax. Darn good >>value for the money. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From jbcast at charter.net Sat Dec 20 18:23:47 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:23:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <20081220212347.HPGW1.1792826.root@mp17> Diesels give better mileage, but the fuel is more expensive. ---- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > I would certainly agree with you on this Peter. The newest version of > diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas though. I recently repaired an 07 GMC gas burner for one of the local rebuilders. It was struck by lightning, sent to the dealer, replaced engine computer and instrument cluster, then totaled and sent to the auction. I had to replace the ABS module, airbag module, passenger presence sensor under the seat, A/C control panel, two air door actuators, 6 of the 8 ignition coils,, 2 fuel injectors, remote door lock module, one abs wheel speed sensor, onstar module, and the trans computer. Some of the modules had visible damage, a capacitor in the abs exploded, capacitors in the mode motors were fried. These components were spread through the truck, it's not even imaginable what took place when it was hit. My guess is it hit the onstar antena and went through the serial data line from one computer to the next. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 20:15:09 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:15:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel Message-ID: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not if you make your own fuel. Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 12/20/08, jbcast at charter.net wrote: From: jbcast at charter.net Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Judge Tommy Turner" Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 9:23 PM Diesels give better mileage, but the fuel is more expensive. ---- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > I would certainly agree with you on this Peter.? The newest version of > diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas though.? I recently repaired an 07 GMC gas burner for one of the local rebuilders. It was struck by lightning, sent to the dealer, replaced engine computer and instrument cluster, then totaled and sent to the auction. I had to replace the ABS module, airbag module, passenger presence sensor under the seat, A/C control panel, two air door actuators, 6 of the 8 ignition coils,, 2 fuel injectors, remote door lock module, one abs wheel speed sensor, onstar module, and the trans computer. Some of the modules had visible damage, a capacitor in the abs exploded, capacitors in the mode motors were fried. These components were spread through the truck, it's not even imaginable what took place when it was hit. My guess is it hit the onstar antena and went through the serial data line from one computer to the next. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Sat Dec 20 17:22:47 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:22:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx> References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> <5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx> Message-ID: <0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Wow... my wife knows that if she ever told me what to do with my vehicle, I'd have to toss her to the curb! I drive nothing but $500 beaters though. (i'm talking about the car, not the wife :-)) -Tony At 12:21 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote: The wife said "I want you to get >a new truck or at least a newer one". When she says that, its time to >trade! From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Dec 20 20:37:34 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:37:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew><5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx> <0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: You don't understand Tony, she says its time to get a new truck.... and she's giving me the money to pay for it! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > Wow... my wife knows that if she ever told me what to do with my > vehicle, I'd have to toss her to the curb! I drive nothing but $500 > beaters though. (i'm talking about the car, not the wife :-)) > > -Tony > > > At 12:21 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote: > The wife said "I want you to get >>a new truck or at least a newer one". When she says that, its time to >>trade! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 20 21:40:13 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:40:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew><5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx> <0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <75712246-29ED-4F36-A20D-ABD6B299BDC6@rustyiron.com> On Dec 20, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > You don't understand Tony, she says its time to get a new truck.... > and > she's giving me the money to pay for it! You'd better hold on to that woman, bro. From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sat Dec 20 21:48:20 2008 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:48:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Mogul 1HP main bearing bushes Message-ID: <115307.7997.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> er, ummm, excuse me, old engine question here... Making new main bronze bushes for 1HP Mogul. Why do they have a setscrew to hold the bush in place. I mean, are these bushes made eccentric to allow for rotation to give wear adjustment then fix with the setscrew and locknut? Why wouldn't they just go for a press fit. The old ones needed pressing out. Graham, Oz Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 20 21:57:50 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:57:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812200522m7b350859s359ae2cd10cd0f27@mail.gmail.com> References: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160812192151r307074c4h198322686d80a4b3@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812200522m7b350859s359ae2cd10cd0f27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3249604F-DF7D-4F06-B0FF-530109E14903@rustyiron.com> On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:22 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > As you are more familiar with the auction operations, would you do me > a great favour and put it on there for me please? Hey, Peter. The Woolworth wrench cannot be found on the oldironauction web page. Could Evil Dave have snatched the candy from the mouths of orphans and traded your Woolworth to a pretty coed with a skimpy outfit and a pole to dance upon? From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 01:22:20 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:22:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Christmas charity auction? In-Reply-To: <3249604F-DF7D-4F06-B0FF-530109E14903@rustyiron.com> References: <54839.21677.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160812192151r307074c4h198322686d80a4b3@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160812200522m7b350859s359ae2cd10cd0f27@mail.gmail.com> <3249604F-DF7D-4F06-B0FF-530109E14903@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812210122s384ff9bdrc12082dca56a1287@mail.gmail.com> On 21/12/2008, Rob Skinner wrote: > Hey, Peter. The Woolworth wrench cannot be found on the > oldironauction web page. Could Evil Dave have snatched the candy from > the mouths of orphans and traded your Woolworth to a pretty coed with > a skimpy outfit and a pole to dance upon? I'd have thought that Dave has had enough of Co-Ed's over the years to last him.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 01:23:47 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:23:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mogul 1HP main bearing bushes In-Reply-To: <115307.7997.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <115307.7997.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812210123j5b916696m82c51a428c41a325@mail.gmail.com> On 21/12/2008, Graham Harris wrote: > er, > ummm, excuse me, old engine question here... > > Making new main bronze bushes for 1HP Mogul. Why do they have a setscrew to > hold the bush in place. I mean, are these bushes made eccentric to allow for > rotation to give wear adjustment then fix with the setscrew and locknut? Why > wouldn't they just go for a press fit. The old ones needed pressing out. > > Graham, Oz Usually, to stop possible rotation of the bushes and thus cutting off the oil feed. Quite a common feature. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 01:33:11 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:33:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking In-Reply-To: <1229791170.494d1fc20e1e2@webmail.city-net.com> References: <973462.29871.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1229791170.494d1fc20e1e2@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812210133xe06b9f7la05e43fa719e76e6@mail.gmail.com> On 20/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Alan, > > I had exactly the opposite experience. I started using the square drive > screws > and had two problems. One, the screw heads stripped out, and two if you > rounded or lost the square drive bit, you were screwed. EVERYONE has the > Phillips bits and can loan you one in a pinch. > > There are two keys to using the Phillips deck screws. Buy top quality > screws > (they strip out less often) and really press down to get good contact while > you're driving the screws. And one more thing, I just don't reuse the > screws. > Sure it's wasteful, but the hassle of a stripped screw head far outweighs > the > price of a box of screws. > > See ya, Arnie We started screwing down the 1" ply last evening, using 5 X 50 (just over 3/16" X 2") CSK self-drill screws with Pozi/Philips heads. No problems at all, each box of 200 screws comes with a new driver bit, so no excuse for worn bits, that goes for all the sizes of screws. We have a little Hitachi cordless drill that we bought last year, $100 or so including a bit set with the drill, a separate comprehensive bit set and three batteries. Great little tool, probably no good for preofessional use but OK for what we are doing. Just laying out the shower and sanitary stuff on the floor this morning, so we can get the waste and water pipes laid down. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 21 04:33:57 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:33:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew><5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx><0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <9BCDAFC06E7148A1B94CECD26736BA15@PaulNew> Oh, Now we have the rest of the story :))) I guess I would buy a truck also Paul - IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > You don't understand Tony, she says its time to get a new truck.... and > she's giving me the money to pay for it! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony & Jackie" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > >> Wow... my wife knows that if she ever told me what to do with my >> vehicle, I'd have to toss her to the curb! I drive nothing but $500 >> beaters though. (i'm talking about the car, not the wife :-)) >> >> -Tony >> >> >> At 12:21 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote: >> The wife said "I want you to get >>>a new truck or at least a newer one". When she says that, its time to >>>trade! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: > 12/17/2008 > 7:21 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 21 06:10:59 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:10:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew><5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx><0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> <75712246-29ED-4F36-A20D-ABD6B299BDC6@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <2908E3FACF2D49249EF8E8B67B97693E@tommydk7hxjr4h> I will! I think I've about got her convinced to give me the money now and I'll buy the truck later.... of course, the wise thing to do with the money right now would be to invest it in an engine! Tommy Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > On Dec 20, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> You don't understand Tony, she says its time to get a new truck.... >> and >> she's giving me the money to pay for it! > > > You'd better hold on to that woman, bro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 21 06:35:08 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:35:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <2908E3FACF2D49249EF8E8B67B97693E@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew><5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx><0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> <75712246-29ED-4F36-A20D-ABD6B299BDC6@rustyiron.com> <2908E3FACF2D49249EF8E8B67B97693E@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <63c4c81956d88039ed61d3966cb90c3f.squirrel@newmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, That's pushing the envelope! Good on ya mate!! See ya, Arnie > I will! I think I've about got her convinced to give me the money > now and I'll buy the truck later.... of course, the wise thing to > do with the money right now would be to invest it in an engine! > Tommy Turner -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jbcast at charter.net Sun Dec 21 06:48:38 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 6:48:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15> ---- Alan wrote: > Not if you make your own fuel. > Alan in Michigan > I guess you're making bio diesel out of cooking oil. I don't like to stop long enough to fill my truck at the pump, much less go looking for used oil and processing it. I've got more work than I can do, plenty engines that need restoring, and not enough time to do any of them. I can make good money repairing vehicles, can work 7 days a week if I want to, I don't burn enough fuel to start another hobby. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Dec 21 08:28:48 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:28:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel Message-ID: <410-2200812021162848281@earthlink.net> > I will! I think I've about got her convinced to give me the money now and > I'll buy the truck later.... of course, the wise thing to do with the money > right now would be to invest it in an engine! > > Tommy Turner I'm guessing that your not the Judge at home then, but since you've about got her convinced then why not go for both, the new truck and a new engine. Lets see, A new 3/4 to 1 ton fully loaded truck is going to cost at least 50 to 55 thou. So, take 5 thousand ane get a new paint job on the old truck (macco will do it for about $198) and spend a few thousand on some basic tune ups and the like. Presto! A new truck. You should have at least 40 to 45 thousand left in your pocket to buy that nice new engine with. Tim Christoff Basehor KS. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Dec 21 08:33:14 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:33:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking Message-ID: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> Why 1" ply Peter? Is that a common floor thickness there? Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > We started screwing down the 1" ply last evening, Peter From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 21 10:48:04 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:48:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <410-2200812021162848281@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tim That's why I love the SEL, great ideas to share! Tommy Turner > > I'm guessing that your not the Judge at home then, but since you've about > got her convinced then why not go for both, the new truck and a new > engine. > Lets see, A new 3/4 to 1 ton fully loaded truck is going to cost at least > 50 to 55 thou. So, take 5 thousand ane get a new paint job on the old > truck (macco will do it for about $198) and spend a few thousand on some > basic tune ups and the like. Presto! A new truck. You should have at > least 40 to 45 thousand left in your pocket to buy that nice new engine > with. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor KS. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 12:34:28 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:34:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking In-Reply-To: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com> On 21/12/2008, Tim Christoff wrote: > Why 1" ply Peter? Is that a common floor thickness there? > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas Probably not, 3/4" or 18mm is more common, but these sheets were much cheaper than I could usually buy them. We paid ?15 per 8; X 4' sheet, and we collected. Regular retail woodyards sell 3/4" for ?45.00 plus tax per sheet, and 1" is ?60+ per sheet plus tax, so you see why we used the 1" :-)) They were also very good quality, not shuttering ply which is pretty rough at the best of times, these were very nice faced ply with no defects at all. Lugging them through the house and up the stairs was NO fun at all! We had to take the front door and the kitchen door off, so the sheets would turn the corner, and once the upstairs is finished, we won't have the room to turn the sheets on the stairs that we do now. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 12:36:51 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:36:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15> References: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15> Message-ID: <6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.com> On 21/12/2008, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > > ---- Alan wrote: >> Not if you make your own fuel. >> Alan in Michigan >> > I guess you're making bio diesel out of cooking oil. I don't like to stop > long enough to fill my truck at the pump, much less go looking for used oil > and processing it. I've got more work than I can do, plenty engines that > need restoring, and not enough time to do any of them. I can make good money > repairing vehicles, can work 7 days a week if I want to, I don't burn enough > fuel to start another hobby. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA I think the cooking oil fuel thing has mostly died a death now, so many folks have tried it and found that it is not quite what they were led to expect. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 21 13:05:52 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:05:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> <6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: To handle the 4 x 8 sheets, you need one of these. I'm going to get one the next time I have to handle several sheets of plywood. Watch the video, you'll learn about the tool and have a little fun too! (PS, which guy are you?). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwC7zJrzSw8 Tommy > On 21/12/2008, Tim Christoff wrote: >> Why 1" ply Peter? Is that a common floor thickness there? >> >> Tim Christoff >> Basehor Kansas > > Probably not, 3/4" or 18mm is more common, but these sheets were much > cheaper than I could usually buy them. We paid ?15 per 8; X 4' sheet, > and we collected. Regular retail woodyards sell 3/4" for ?45.00 plus > tax per sheet, and 1" is ?60+ per sheet plus tax, so you see why we > used the 1" :-)) > > They were also very good quality, not shuttering ply which is pretty > rough at the best of times, these were very nice faced ply with no > defects at all. > > Lugging them through the house and up the stairs was NO fun at all! > We had to take the front door and the kitchen door off, so the sheets > would turn the corner, and once the upstairs is finished, we won't > have the room to turn the sheets on the stairs that we do now. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 21 13:42:10 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:42:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15> <6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <863BD4646D4F46CCAE8FBE1642C575DE@PaulNew> I did not try it, but researched and talking to those that had .... Nope, not worth it even when diesel was $4.00 a gallon Paul - IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Alan" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > On 21/12/2008, jbcast at charter.net wrote: >> >> ---- Alan wrote: >>> Not if you make your own fuel. >>> Alan in Michigan >>> >> I guess you're making bio diesel out of cooking oil. I don't like to stop >> long enough to fill my truck at the pump, much less go looking for used >> oil >> and processing it. I've got more work than I can do, plenty engines that >> need restoring, and not enough time to do any of them. I can make good >> money >> repairing vehicles, can work 7 days a week if I want to, I don't burn >> enough >> fuel to start another hobby. >> J.B. Castagnos >> Belle Rose, LA > > I think the cooking oil fuel thing has mostly died a death now, so > many folks have tried it and found that it is not quite what they were > led to expect. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Dec 21 14:15:19 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:15:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15> <6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081221221511.9B967900C8@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> >I think the cooking oil fuel thing has mostly died a death now, so >many folks have tried it and found that it is not quite what they were >led to expect. Peter I still have guys q-ing up for my used frying oil. (Older guys with more time on their hands anyway) At present the bloke who is making his own fuel from it is mostly using it in a tractor and a big diesel pump. There does seem to be plenty of interest in Oz still for this smelly crap. Russell From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 21 15:19:08 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:19:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com> References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> <6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229901548.494eceec5ea90@webmail.city-net.com> Gee Peter, You NEED a Gorilla Gripper... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007TYCA8/interactiveda8345-20 See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > Lugging them through the house and up the stairs was NO fun at all! From bdb at mchsi.com Sun Dec 21 16:32:51 2008 From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:32:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Trailer Deck Engine Blocking Message-ID: This is for those of you that like model engines. Hey Reg , you going to try this one? Barry Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking > Gee Peter, > > You NEED a Gorilla Gripper... > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007TYCA8/interactiveda8345-20 > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Listerdiesel : > >> Lugging them through the house and up the stairs was NO fun at all! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kimmell at verizon.net Sun Dec 21 17:42:37 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:42:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: References: <0488D355B4CD4D66ADE8299295DA5655@PaulNew> <5418BF536603427BB7AE683175BC1139@larue10ijlvccx> <0KC700HLXD2OSDH6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <0KC9008YS8NP2MG6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Guess I can't argue with that one! I'd get a new one every year if my wife would pay for it! -Tony At 10:37 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote: >You don't understand Tony, she says its time to get a new truck.... and >she's giving me the money to pay for it! > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY From kimmell at verizon.net Sun Dec 21 17:59:22 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:59:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <20081221221511.9B967900C8@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15> <6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.com> <20081221221511.9B967900C8@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <0KC900D1E9HQRXQ9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> There's still plenty of interest in it over here in the US. The problem is that we don't have as many diesel powered cars over here. I had a friend who used to have a bio making setup a few years ago. He had an old diesel Mercedes that he ran with it. According to him the engines run better on bio and it has more lubricity than regular diesel, which is better for the injection pump. If I remember right, his cost worked out to be about 60 cents per gallon once you factor in the cost of methanol and lye for the conversion process. He worked with a company where he could buy the chemicals in bulk for alot cheaper. I filled my old diesel VW Rabbit up with his fuel a few times and it did seem to run better. Exhaust smells like a deep fryer! Although the stuff does wax over a lot easier in cold weather, so you have to be generous with the fuel treatment. -Tony At 04:15 PM 12/21/2008, Russell wrote: >Peter I still have guys q-ing up for my used frying oil. (Older guys >with more time on their hands anyway) At present the bloke who is >making his own fuel from it is mostly using it in a tractor and a big >diesel pump. There does seem to be plenty of interest in Oz still for >this smelly crap. From obise at moscow.com Sun Dec 21 18:01:15 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:01:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812220201.mBM21VdF043620@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: Alan Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel I think the cooking oil fuel thing has mostly died a death now, so many folks have tried it and found that it is not quite what they were led to expect. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's about time it died. I can't understand all the hype it got in the first place: 1) There's not enough used cooking oil in all the world to make any difference in energy supplies. 2) By the time a person drives all over town rounding up oil, then processing it, then subtracting the volume of unusable glycerin, amortizing start-up costs, goes through the hassle of waste disposal and wastes a whole bunch of their time, the balance sheet looks to me to be in the red, right off the git-go. 3) I can see it now: Veggie oil wars. There are only two deep fat fryers in town but there are five guys brewing their own fuel. I *hope* the hype dies down. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 18:02:53 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:02:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel Message-ID: <850416.55265.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi JB I wish I had your work problem. Alan Plus, I have everything here that I need to make a couple hundred gallons of biodiesel but my diesel truck is buggered up and currently snowbound. --- On Sun, 12/21/08, jbcast at charter.net wrote: From: jbcast at charter.net Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Alan" Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 9:48 AM ---- Alan wrote: > Not if you make your own fuel. > Alan in Michigan > I guess you're making bio diesel out of cooking oil. I don't like to stop long enough to fill my truck at the pump, much less go looking for used oil and processing it. I've got more work than I can do, plenty engines that need restoring, and not enough time to do any of them. I can make good money repairing vehicles, can work 7 days a week if I want to, I don't burn enough fuel to start another hobby. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Dec 21 19:10:51 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:10:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel References: <200812220201.mBM21VdF043620@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <002c01c963e2$e5c0db30$69d14c0c@D48VHZ61> You forgot about the states requiring permits/fees to run you car on this stuff. We actually have so FEW problems here in N.C. that we PAY state workers to go around busting backyard tinkerers for running vehicles on home made diesel. It seems the DOT really wants their fuel taxes. I better hush before I start ranting about being last in education but a not a dirt road left in the whole state! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin B Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Alan > Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > I think the cooking oil fuel thing has mostly died a death now, so > many folks have tried it and found that it is not quite what they were > led to expect. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > It's about time it died. I can't understand all the hype it got in the > first place: > > 1) There's not enough used cooking oil in all the world to make any > difference in energy supplies. > > 2) By the time a person drives all over town rounding up oil, then > processing it, then subtracting the volume of unusable glycerin, > amortizing > start-up costs, goes through the hassle of waste disposal and wastes a > whole > bunch of their time, the balance sheet looks to me to be in the red, right > off the git-go. > > 3) I can see it now: Veggie oil wars. There are only two deep fat > fryers > in town but there are five guys brewing their own fuel. > > I *hope* the hype dies down. > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 22:59:52 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:59:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking In-Reply-To: <1229901548.494eceec5ea90@webmail.city-net.com> References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> <6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com> <1229901548.494eceec5ea90@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160812212259y2d570c9bmc4f0cfa9b24cc2a9@mail.gmail.com> On 21/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Gee Peter, > > You NEED a Gorilla Gripper... > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007TYCA8/interactiveda8345-20 > > See ya, Arnie Thanks Arnie & Tommy: There are lots of handling solutions available, but you still have to get the sheets up two flights of stairs! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Dec 21 23:50:22 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:50:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net><6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com><1229901548.494eceec5ea90@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160812212259y2d570c9bmc4f0cfa9b24cc2a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40132956CA9346F781AE2FB3414E57CC@REG> I thought that was Rita's job!! You just did the nailing bit! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking > On 21/12/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >> Gee Peter, >> >> You NEED a Gorilla Gripper... >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007TYCA8/interactiveda8345-20 >> >> See ya, Arnie > > Thanks Arnie & Tommy: > > There are lots of handling solutions available, but you still have to > get the sheets up two flights of stairs! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Mon Dec 22 00:06:21 2008 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:06:21 -0000 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <863BD4646D4F46CCAE8FBE1642C575DE@PaulNew> References: <87407.42453.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20081221094838.4ME1A.1800788.root@mp15><6f6025160812211236v459af65fj85868ca7af2ebf3b@mail.gmail.com> <863BD4646D4F46CCAE8FBE1642C575DE@PaulNew> Message-ID: <040101c9640c$2d9c6860$8335c53e@doc> I'm still doing biodiesel. I find it quite worth my while. I brew 160 litres a time, at a cost of 12p per litre (not counting my time). With diesel at ?1.12 a litre at the pump until recently, that was a saving of ?160 (and that's money I'd have paid tax on). That pays for a few hours of my time.... All the best, and a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to one and all. Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Paul Waugh > Sent: 21 December 2008 21:42 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > I did not try it, but researched and talking to those that > had .... Nope, > not worth it even when diesel was $4.00 a gallon > > Paul - IN > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Cc: "Alan" > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel > > > > On 21/12/2008, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > >> > >> ---- Alan wrote: > >>> Not if you make your own fuel. > >>> Alan in Michigan > >>> > >> I guess you're making bio diesel out of cooking oil. I > don't like to stop > >> long enough to fill my truck at the pump, much less go > looking for used > >> oil > >> and processing it. I've got more work than I can do, > plenty engines that > >> need restoring, and not enough time to do any of them. I > can make good > >> money > >> repairing vehicles, can work 7 days a week if I want to, I > don't burn > >> enough > >> fuel to start another hobby. > >> J.B. Castagnos > >> Belle Rose, LA > > > > I think the cooking oil fuel thing has mostly died a death now, so > > many folks have tried it and found that it is not quite > what they were > > led to expect. > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kimmell at verizon.net Sun Dec 21 22:38:28 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:38:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel In-Reply-To: <002c01c963e2$e5c0db30$69d14c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <200812220201.mBM21VdF043620@mail-gw.fsr.net> <002c01c963e2$e5c0db30$69d14c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <0KC900HUWMD06TO2@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> I don't know of any problems like that with the "tea party police" here in IL. The're too busy following our governor around at the moment! The one problem I had with my diesel vehicles around here was the revenuers dipping tanks in the parking lot of one of the local small town restaurants and grain elevators. I took all the diesel badges off my diesel Rabbit and replaced them with ones from a gas Rabbit. Also put a locking fuel cap on it to keep the rotten fuckers away from it. My friend with the bio setup was messing around with industrial dyes trying to duplicate the shade of green that they use in #2 on-road diesel. I'm not sure whatever happened with that, as he got married a few years ago and now his wife owns all his time... -Tony At 09:10 PM 12/21/2008, you wrote: >You forgot about the states requiring permits/fees to run you car on this >stuff. We actually have so FEW problems here in N.C. that we PAY state >workers to go around busting backyard tinkerers for running vehicles on home >made diesel. It seems the DOT really wants their fuel taxes. I better hush >before I start ranting about being last in education but a not a dirt road >left in the whole state! > >John Hall From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 03:00:08 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:00:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking In-Reply-To: <40132956CA9346F781AE2FB3414E57CC@REG> References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net> <6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com> <1229901548.494eceec5ea90@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160812212259y2d570c9bmc4f0cfa9b24cc2a9@mail.gmail.com> <40132956CA9346F781AE2FB3414E57CC@REG> Message-ID: <6f6025160812220300o65374d65oe8316c726ffd6c63@mail.gmail.com> On 22/12/2008, R & M Ingold wrote: > I thought that was Rita's job!! You just did the nailing bit! > Reg & Marg Ingold. No, I just do the..... screwing ..... bit :-)) You asked for that! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 22 03:33:49 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:33:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Very interesting Ebay Auction Message-ID: <9593D2C117FF49ED86E24B883A70CC64@REG> Just doing as asked. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: david To: R & M Ingold Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Very interesting Ebay Auction Dear Reg and Marg. Sorry to bother you again. As I have been removed from the Old Engine Org list by mistake, trying to change my Email address, I have no other way to alert members of anything interesting. You may like to pass this on. There is a model engine for auction with the following text: Up for auction is one of my hit & miss engines. It runs great & has good compression. It's cast in iron with steel & brass-bronze parts. The flywheel is about 6" diameter & it has a 7/8" bore. It stands 15" tall on a custom box that holds the engine coil. This engine is unique from others in that it runs on an unusual engine cycle from the 1870`s. Called the "Loyal" cycle it differs from conventional 4-stroke engines in that it achieves intake, compression, expansion & exhaust in just one revolution. It's also somewhat of an Atkinson cycle engine in that its expansion stroke is longer than the intake. The engine runs off a "surface" carburetor that pulls air bubbles thru the gasoline in the tank & runs off the vapor fumes. I run the engine on regular gasoline but Coleman fuel should work fine. Something else neat about the engine is it can run either direction & as a hit & miss or a throttler engine just by locking/unlocking a screw on the governor. (See video below) I haven't yet figured out how this engine works. There are several videos of his engines which are quite amazing. Multi cylinder radials...a V12 and all sorts of things. There are several short video clips of his models working. I'm sure some members will be mesmerised by these screaming models..all made by a bloke in Germany. You can find it on Ebay 320326127535 ps; If anyone can find a way of reinstating me to the list...has to be worth a bottle of good Scotch! Have a beaut Christmas David and Leonie Bird Limbri NSW 2352 Australia From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Dec 22 04:34:48 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:34:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Spam> To subscribe to Old Engine and SEL Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081222142559.02b898c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi David, Just go here to subscribe to the Oldengine list again with your new eMail address. If you have changed address then the old one will bounce back to Jim's server and it should not be long before he deletes it. For the SEL / ATIS list go here: List-Subscribe: , Share the Whisky with REG. :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 22 13:33:21 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:33:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking References: <410-2200812021163314109@earthlink.net><6f6025160812211234t1edbd3fnd417c89ce7379b60@mail.gmail.com><1229901548.494eceec5ea90@webmail.city-net.com><6f6025160812212259y2d570c9bmc4f0cfa9b24cc2a9@mail.gmail.com><40132956CA9346F781AE2FB3414E57CC@REG> <6f6025160812220300o65374d65oe8316c726ffd6c63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E58FA4878634638B1439CB85F3E08CA@REG> Aw, Pete, I just GOTTA give you top marks for that reply!! Who gave it to ya? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking > On 22/12/2008, R & M Ingold wrote: >> I thought that was Rita's job!! You just did the nailing bit! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > No, I just do the..... screwing ..... bit :-)) > > You asked for that! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Dec 22 19:07:15 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:07:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Deck Engine Blocking Message-ID: <410-22008122233715968@earthlink.net> Just keep in mind, you'll always have the memories to think back on everyday when you sit and stare at that floor. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > Lugging them through the house and up the stairs was NO fun at all! > We had to take the front door and the kitchen door off, so the sheets > would turn the corner, and once the upstairs is finished, we won't > have the room to turn the sheets on the stairs that we do now. > > Peter > -- From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Dec 22 21:37:25 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:37:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back Message-ID: Hi Guys Our little scammer is at it again, see email below. I had two identical emails telling me he had two different lots of R&V parts for sale. I know for a fact that these parts are not in the UK anyhow. They are from my web site "wanted" and "for sale" sections. Be careful guys. If you guys in the UK want a bity of fun, see if the phone number works. Peter, Oz ................................................................................... geetings to you,I am costa? from london uk i saw your mail that you are in need of the above subject stated,i justwant to used this little words of mine to let you know that i have itfor sale,and still in a good condition, if you need some pics of theitem i can send them to you once i heard from you so we can bargain price,please i only needaserious buyer and i do accept check payment,international money order and western union money transfer please no paypal..where i will have my money in my possession before i will? ship the item to you so get back to me with your address wereyou want to ship it to.......i used scarlet deliverycourier, for shipping abroad so i caculate the shipping cost to your doorstep,so i can give? youmy least price +shipping,and i will be expecting your call or +447031952786? or email me back so that will can disscusse.thanks costa_fernado at rediffmail.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 22:12:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:12:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160812222212t5597d610scd1e912101206d30@mail.gmail.com> On 23/12/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Guys > Our little scammer is at it again, see email below. I had two identical > emails telling me he had two different lots of R&V parts for sale. I know > for a fact that these parts are not in the UK anyhow. > They are from my web site "wanted" and "for sale" sections. > Be careful guys. > If you guys in the UK want a bity of fun, see if the phone number works. > > Peter, Oz Rediffmail is an Indian ISP, favourite with Nigerian scammers. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Dec 23 08:17:55 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:17:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7191A4E0-B8B8-4322-ABA1-4601E3441CDC@alltel.net> I don't know Peter, Looks legit to me! Dave On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:37 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Guys > Our little scammer is at it again, see email below. I had two > identical emails telling me he had two different lots of R&V parts > for sale. I know for a fact that these parts are not in the UK anyhow. > They are from my web site "wanted" and "for sale" sections. > Be careful guys. > If you guys in the UK want a bity of fun, see if the phone number > works. > > Peter, Oz > > ................................................................................... > > geetings to you,I am costa? from london uk i saw > your mail that you are in need of the above subject stated,i justwant > to used this little words of mine to let you know that i have itfor > sale,and still in a good condition, if you need some pics of theitem > i can send them to you once i heard from you so we can bargain > price,please i only needaserious buyer and i do accept check > payment,international money order and western union money transfer > please no paypal..where i will have my money in my possession before i > will? ship the item to you so get back to me with your address wereyou > want to ship it to.......i used scarlet deliverycourier, for shipping > abroad so i caculate the shipping cost to your doorstep,so i can give? > youmy least price +shipping,and i will be expecting your call or > +447031952786? or email me back so that will can disscusse.thanks > costa_fernado at rediffmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 23 12:35:00 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:35:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: <7191A4E0-B8B8-4322-ABA1-4601E3441CDC@alltel.net> Message-ID: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> Peter, Sounds like an honest gent to me. I'd go on and send him payment, I'm sure he'll forward the parts to you as soon as your check has had time to clear.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 11:18 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back I don't know Peter, Looks legit to me! Dave On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:37 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Guys > Our little scammer is at it again, see email below. I had two > identical emails telling me he had two different lots of R&V parts > for sale. I know for a fact that these parts are not in the UK anyhow. > They are from my web site "wanted" and "for sale" sections. > Be careful guys. > If you guys in the UK want a bity of fun, see if the phone number > works. > > Peter, Oz > > ...................................................................... > ............. > > geetings to you,I am costa? from london uk i saw > your mail that you are in need of the above subject stated,i justwant > to used this little words of mine to let you know that i have itfor > sale,and still in a good condition, if you need some pics of theitem i > can send them to you once i heard from you so we can bargain > price,please i only needaserious buyer and i do accept check > payment,international money order and western union money transfer > please no paypal..where i will have my money in my possession before i > will? ship the item to you so get back to me with your address wereyou > want to ship it to.......i used scarlet deliverycourier, for shipping > abroad so i caculate the shipping cost to your doorstep,so i can give? > youmy least price +shipping,and i will be expecting your call or > +447031952786? or email me back so that will can disscusse.thanks > costa_fernado at rediffmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Dec 23 13:21:40 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:21:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> Tommy, I just can't figure out why those guys from OZ don't seem to trust anyone! Dave On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: > Peter, > Sounds like an honest gent to me. I'd go on and send him payment, I'm > sure he'll forward the parts to you as soon as your check has had time > to clear.... > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 11:18 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back > > > I don't know Peter, Looks legit to me! > Dave > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:37 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Hi Guys >> Our little scammer is at it again, see email below. I had two >> identical emails telling me he had two different lots of R&V parts >> for sale. I know for a fact that these parts are not in the UK >> anyhow. >> They are from my web site "wanted" and "for sale" sections. >> Be careful guys. >> If you guys in the UK want a bity of fun, see if the phone number >> works. >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> ...................................................................... >> ............. >> >> geetings to you,I am costa? from london uk i saw >> your mail that you are in need of the above subject stated,i justwant >> to used this little words of mine to let you know that i have itfor >> sale,and still in a good condition, if you need some pics of >> theitem i > >> can send them to you once i heard from you so we can bargain >> price,please i only needaserious buyer and i do accept check >> payment,international money order and western union money transfer >> please no paypal..where i will have my money in my possession >> before i > >> will? ship the item to you so get back to me with your address >> wereyou > >> want to ship it to.......i used scarlet deliverycourier, for shipping >> abroad so i caculate the shipping cost to your doorstep,so i can >> give? > >> youmy least price +shipping,and i will be expecting your call or >> +447031952786? or email me back so that will can disscusse.thanks >> costa_fernado at rediffmail.com From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Dec 23 14:24:42 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:24:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: <7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> <7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4951652A.4070509@rustic-engines.com> Don't seem to trust anyone??????? I trust Tommy, Dave. :-\ I look in my Xmas stocking every morning. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Summer Xmas Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com David Rotigel wrote: > Tommy, I just can't figure out why those guys from OZ don't seem to > trust anyone! > Dave > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: > > >> Peter, >> Sounds like an honest gent to me. I'd go on and send him payment, I'm >> sure he'll forward the parts to you as soon as your check has had time >> to clear.... >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> > From gastzt at aol.com Tue Dec 23 14:34:53 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:34:53 EST Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back Message-ID: Merry Xmas to ALL you guys and gals!!! Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx STOVERS GALORE--ha! **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW AOL.com.(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000019) From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Dec 23 14:45:39 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:45:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> <7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <53976B7B790F42EC83D739B790753A35@tommydk7hxjr4h> Makes you wonder doesn't it Dave?? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back > Tommy, I just can't figure out why those guys from OZ don't seem to > trust anyone! > Dave > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Peter, >> Sounds like an honest gent to me. I'd go on and send him payment, I'm >> sure he'll forward the parts to you as soon as your check has had time >> to clear.... >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Dec 23 16:22:27 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:22:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: <53976B7B790F42EC83D739B790753A35@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> <7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> <53976B7B790F42EC83D739B790753A35@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Tommy, I think must be the way that they are brought up! Dave On Dec 23, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Makes you wonder doesn't it Dave?? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back > > >> Tommy, I just can't figure out why those guys from OZ don't seem to >> trust anyone! >> Dave >> >> >> On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: >> >>> Peter, >>> Sounds like an honest gent to me. I'd go on and send him payment, >>> I'm >>> sure he'll forward the parts to you as soon as your check has had >>> time >>> to clear.... >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 23 16:25:53 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:25:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Icecream Freezers References: <49505B31.4000905@gmail.com> <8d3c36fb0812230929n6fabd421lf88b19ff71c9dc63@mail.gmail.com> <1230058823.495135474e01c@webmail.city-net.com> <20081223202817.614BA577FE@gw1.nlenet.net> <49515AD1.9050902@telenet.net> <8d3c36fb0812231412x5d0936a8ue73064008b6a61ec@mail.gmail.com> <20081223223818.27BF657D12@gw1.nlenet.net> <49517D3F.1010404@telenet.net> Message-ID: <005301c9655e$2ed6cc90$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> what it amounts to is a NON-Amish person is the one who is running it. Just like those "Amish > made" portable heaters on TV. >>>>>>> > The icecream freezer clones in GEM are like that too , arent they ? Anybody run one of his 5 gallon rigs ? From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Dec 23 17:45:29 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:45:29 EST Subject: [SEL] Old Time Power & Equipment Video Message-ID: Hi List, Recently, I found a video of "The Delaware Valley Old Time Power & Equipment Annual Show at Washington Crossing Park Titusville, N. J. - September 17, 18 1988". In viewing this 20 year old video, I found it amusing that people displaying engines, tractors, and equipment did not seem to have barriers. Viewers were able to look and view some of these items close up. I really liked the little tractor pull. The sled was loaded by people jumping on the sled as it was being pulled at preset locations. A very simple method but, effective! Another item that was interesting was seeing the operation of shingle saw machine. Now, I understand how shingles are made from a hunk of wood such as cedar. Seeing the gentleman handling the operation sent chills up my back. One false move could cause some serious body damage. The apple peeling machine was also intriguing. Each apple had to manually placed on the holder and then the machine would peel and core it automatically. It was great to view this old video to see how show were conducted in the past. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 23 23:30:34 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (ozengine at optusnet.com.au) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:30:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Christmas OT Message-ID: <200812240730.mBO7UYOG005870@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> G:Day All Engine People Now Christmas Eve and been on summer holidays on the coast for over a week now, have the fridge full of prawns and beer for tomorrow. Ruth and I wish you all a great time over Christmas" New Year and have a safe one Looking forward to this group agin next year Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 00:58:06 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:58:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year Message-ID: <6f6025160812240058i5d2da00v554ff84db5cea2a8@mail.gmail.com> Hope everyone has a great Xmas and a happy and prosperous New Year. It's our 38th Wedding Anniversary today, and we actually now have windows in the house as well! :-)) Peter & Rita -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From camaned at iinet.net.au Wed Dec 24 02:57:25 2008 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:57:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Xmas OT Message-ID: <50A36E400F95436A9107FFB2014C45AB@CamPC> ----- Original Message ----- Well Xmas has arrived again so Edwina and I would like to wish everybody the best and hope you all have a great time tomorrow with family and friends. Cheers. Cam and Edwina Grundy 26 Arunta Ave. Kariong. 2250. New South Wales. PH 43401214 MOB 0409250803 Australia. From camaned at iinet.net.au Wed Dec 24 03:04:52 2008 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:04:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <829DF6C8DDF941D5B584649090AD3D5F@CamPC> Cam and Edina Grundy 26 Arunta Ave. Kariong. 2250. New South Wales. PH 43401214 MOB 0409250803 Australia. From camaned at iinet.net.au Wed Dec 24 03:08:25 2008 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:08:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Test Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cam and Ed" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Test > > Cam and Edina Grundy > 26 Arunta Ave. > Kariong. > 2250. > New South Wales. > PH 43401214 > MOB 0409250803 > Australia. From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Dec 24 03:37:58 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:37:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year References: <6f6025160812240058i5d2da00v554ff84db5cea2a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c965bc$1278e660$66674b47@mikecomp> >From North Carolina back to you all, Merry Christmas! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" Cc: "ATIS" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 3:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year > Hope everyone has a great Xmas and a happy and prosperous New Year. > > It's our 38th Wedding Anniversary today, and we actually now have > windows in the house as well! :-)) > > Peter & Rita > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Dec 24 03:42:20 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:42:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Christmas Message-ID: Hope all my friends have a great Christmas and safe holiday period.Spending the day with my son and his family tomorrow and it should be great. MERRY CHRISTMAS EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Dec 24 03:52:44 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:52:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Xmas 2008 In-Reply-To: <50A36E400F95436A9107FFB2014C45AB@CamPC> Message-ID: <000801c965be$221b5ce0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Like the others who have wished a merry Christmas it is that time of the year when we all over-indulge, put on an extra kilo or two, but hey, that is what the festive season is about. So may everyone, wherever they are have a joyous and merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year. Ron and Vicki Page Canberra From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 24 05:35:53 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:35:53 EST Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year Message-ID: In a message dated 12/24/2008 4:09:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: It's our 38th Wedding Anniversary today Peter, Have a great anniversary today and must be a good feeling to have the house closed in. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 24 05:38:43 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:38:43 EST Subject: [SEL] Fw: Christmas Message-ID: Merry Christmas to all of our friends and acquaintances around the world. Tom and Millie Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 24 06:45:19 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:45:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Xmas 2008 In-Reply-To: <000801c965be$221b5ce0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: >From the heart of the famous Redneck Riviera in the southeast United States (the Colonies to some)............... We would like to wish all of you a very (NON Politically Correct) Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year! Take care - Elden & Elaine DuRand From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Dec 24 07:17:40 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:17:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas OT In-Reply-To: <200812240730.mBO7UYOG005870@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200812240730.mBO7UYOG005870@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081224100711.02f8f160@pop3.wcoil.com> I and my family will be off to the proverbial Grandmas house for Christmas. Christine, Stephanie and I would like to Extend to all of you a very Merry Christmas and may Peace and Joy be with you all for the rest of this and the coming New Year. May Gods blessings be heaped upon you all. God watch the troops of all nations working to help world peace and be with them while thay are away from their people. And be with the families who will forever be without their loved ones who died for freedom. Merry Christmas, Mark, Christine and Stephanie From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 24 09:09:10 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:09:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081224185900.00c3f8c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys and Gals, It's already Christmas time in Aus, ours will start here (South Africa) in about 5 hours then Britain followed by the USA. To all my friends on the list, wherever you are, I'd like to wish you all a very Happy and Safe Christmas. May you all have a great day and enjoy it the way you would wish. Also to all of you who have family away from home in the armed forces or on other duty locally our thanks go out to them for the work they are doing. Keep well and have a Blessed Christmas from Jacqui (my daughter) and I. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From obise at moscow.com Wed Dec 24 10:13:21 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:13:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas! Message-ID: <200812241813.mBOIDYcv082833@mail-gw.fsr.net> Cathy and I wish all of you a very merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous year to come. Here in the USA, having sunk to new lows in politics and the economy, the only way is up. We hope. Best regards, Orrin and Cathy Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Dec 24 13:33:50 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:33:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20081224183401.12C0D2282E6@md5.pennswoods.net> From the wet central PA Merry Christmas R Fink From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Dec 24 12:28:26 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 07:28:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year References: <6f6025160812240058i5d2da00v554ff84db5cea2a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from Oz, to all my friends and engine guys and gals. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Dec 24 12:39:07 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:39:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco> <7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> <53976B7B790F42EC83D739B790753A35@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <2364.165.206.180.15.1230151147.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> They must be trusting - they let their navy take the summer off........ Bill > Tommy, I think must be the way that they are brought up! > Dave > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Makes you wonder doesn't it Dave?? >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back >> >> >>> Tommy, I just can't figure out why those guys from OZ don't seem to >>> trust anyone! >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: >>> >>>> Peter, >>>> Sounds like an honest gent to me. I'd go on and send him payment, >>>> I'm >>>> sure he'll forward the parts to you as soon as your check has had >>>> time >>>> to clear.... >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Dec 24 12:30:21 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:30:21 -0000 Subject: [SEL] merry christmas Message-ID: <95A67924193043C1A970C0A05BE8E1B9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi everyone, I would like to wish everyone a very merry Christmas and very happy holiday, hope that you all get the present that you wished for. I spent today in the shop playing with my latest project which is a Petter light generating set made in 1931, after a bit of fiddling ( ok allot of fiddling along with the odd expletive) we got it to run and also supply power to some lamps . So I am heading for a relaxing beer or three tonight to celebrate. Cheers for now, Craig in Scotland From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 13:10:51 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:10:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Message-ID: <35608.50538.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 24 13:56:07 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:56:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year to all, from downtown Fulton, on the Texas Riviera. Out of kindness, no mention of weather. "It's our 38th Wedding Anniversary today, and we actually now have windows in the house as well! :-)) Peter & Rita" Rita is a lucky woman, Peter, and a very patient one as well. Mine would not have waited that long for windows. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Dec 24 14:58:05 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:58:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Xmas & New Year In-Reply-To: <6f6025160812240058i5d2da00v554ff84db5cea2a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160812240058i5d2da00v554ff84db5cea2a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 24, 2008, at 3:58 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Hope everyone has a great Xmas and a happy and prosperous New Year. > > It's our 38th Wedding Anniversary today, and we actually now have > windows in the house as well! :-)) > > Peter & Rita You are one LUCKY man Peter! And I;m NOT talking about the windows! Dave PS, Married now for over 48 years--and really enjoying my second wife! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 24 16:11:37 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:11:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Message-ID: I want to wish my extended Engine Family a Very Merry Christmas and a very Happy upcoming New Year. All you folks are very special to me and I am so blessed to know each one of you. Your Ole Engine Buddy, Paul From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 24 16:20:18 2008 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:20:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] o.t. MERRY CHRISTMAS Message-ID: <1E485B8075FD4E2FA034DDB1E9D0CCCC@LapTop> Deana and I wish everyone a very MERRY CHRISTMAS. Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From pitty10 at aapt.net.au Wed Dec 24 17:51:12 2008 From: pitty10 at aapt.net.au (Bradley Pitt) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:51:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] trust Message-ID: <2C343C7A5D1E4B51A8A39FB5A3067202@brad> G'day guys. I for one trust most people i recently purchased a Crossley gas engine for quite a large amount of money from the U.S.,not knowing the seller and depositing the money into his account,the whole experience was very daunting but once it was all done and i had my engine in australia i was most satisfied Cheers Brad From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Dec 24 18:39:18 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:39:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco><7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> <4951652A.4070509@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <82B801E2EC684351BFFD70960800DAB3@tommydk7hxjr4h> Well, darn it Al, looks like Santa isn't going to be able to bring that cam gear to you (at least not from Kentucky). I was finally able to find the bucket that had the gears in it (I've probably got 50 five gallon buckets full of all kinds of junk.... most of it gathered up after the tornado hit my place). The gear I have is about 5 to 6 inches in diameter and has the slant teeth on it. But, it doesn't have a cam lobe and has about a 3/4 shaft hole. The number V12 is cast on it. I'll post some photos to see if anyone knows what it might be for. If you can use it for anything Al, its yours! There is a corresponding gear in the bucket that has a governor on it. I got these and some other parts from an old gent and most of the items were FM. Carbs, mags, etc. That's why I was hopeful I had something you could use. I wished I was going to get to play the role of Santa here, looks like I'll be closer to playing the Grinch. Tommy Turner > Don't seem to trust anyone??????? > > I trust Tommy, Dave. :-\ > > I look in my Xmas stocking every morning. ;-) > From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Dec 24 18:54:27 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:54:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] trust In-Reply-To: <2C343C7A5D1E4B51A8A39FB5A3067202@brad> Message-ID: <20081225025427.A315D405452@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Brad, just curious, What did the boat ride cost? Was weight a factor or volume the primary concern? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca, USA Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bradley Pitt Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 5:51 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] trust G'day guys. I for one trust most people i recently purchased a Crossley gas engine for quite a large amount of money from the U.S.,not knowing the seller and depositing the money into his account,the whole experience was very daunting but once it was all done and i had my engine in australia i was most satisfied Cheers Brad _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Wed Dec 24 19:00:21 2008 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:00:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: <82B801E2EC684351BFFD70960800DAB3@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco><7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> <4951652A.4070509@rustic-engines.com> <82B801E2EC684351BFFD70960800DAB3@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Pattin Bros used that part # on their timing gear for a 8HP. Send me a picture and I'll be able to tell. Tom Winland Ohio> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:39:18 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back> > Well, darn it Al, looks like Santa isn't going to be able to bring that cam > gear to you (at least not from Kentucky). I was finally able to find the > bucket that had the gears in it (I've probably got 50 five gallon buckets > full of all kinds of junk.... most of it gathered up after the tornado hit > my place). The gear I have is about 5 to 6 inches in diameter and has the > slant teeth on it. But, it doesn't have a cam lobe and has about a 3/4 > shaft hole. The number V12 is cast on it. I'll post some photos to see if > anyone knows what it might be for. If you can use it for anything Al, its > yours! There is a corresponding gear in the bucket that has a governor on > it. I got these and some other parts from an old gent and most of the items > were FM. Carbs, mags, etc. That's why I was hopeful I had something you > could use. I wished I was going to get to play the role of Santa here, > looks like I'll be closer to playing the Grinch.> > Tommy Turner> > > > > > > Don't seem to trust anyone???????> >> > I trust Tommy, Dave. :-\> >> > I look in my Xmas stocking every morning. ;-)> >> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 24 22:19:17 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:19:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back In-Reply-To: <82B801E2EC684351BFFD70960800DAB3@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco><7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net> <4951652A.4070509@rustic-engines.com> <82B801E2EC684351BFFD70960800DAB3@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <495325E5.9010104@rustic-engines.com> Tommy, A valiant effort. I thank you sincerely. And a Peaceful Happy Christmas to all those waking at morn on the "other side". Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Well, darn it Al, looks like Santa isn't going to be able to bring that cam > gear to you (at least not from Kentucky). I was finally able to find the > bucket that had the gears in it (I've probably got 50 five gallon buckets > full of all kinds of junk.... most of it gathered up after the tornado hit > my place). The gear I have is about 5 to 6 inches in diameter and has the > slant teeth on it. But, it doesn't have a cam lobe and has about a 3/4 > shaft hole. The number V12 is cast on it. I'll post some photos to see if > anyone knows what it might be for. If you can use it for anything Al, its > yours! There is a corresponding gear in the bucket that has a governor on > it. I got these and some other parts from an old gent and most of the items > were FM. Carbs, mags, etc. That's why I was hopeful I had something you > could use. I wished I was going to get to play the role of Santa here, > looks like I'll be closer to playing the Grinch. > > Tommy Turner > > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Dec 25 05:24:50 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:24:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine scammer is back References: <62E8D5F8243943EEB630A71160BF8B99@tommyd0x52gkco><7F250B2E-5901-4F14-B495-98F0EA3846AF@alltel.net><4951652A.4070509@rustic-engines.com> <82B801E2EC684351BFFD70960800DAB3@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <0E73E5F43D0841F1A78CE25D5DD93749@tommydk7hxjr4h> I don't think it would be for a Pattin Bros, looks to "new" a design. I'll post some photos. Tommy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Winland" To: "SEL list" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is back > > Pattin Bros used that part # on their timing gear for a 8HP. Send me a > picture and I'll be able to tell. > > Tom Winland > Ohio> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: > Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:39:18 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine scammer is > back> > Well, darn it Al, looks like Santa isn't going to be able to bring > that cam > gear to you (at least not from Kentucky). I was finally able to > find the > bucket that had the gears in it (I've probably got 50 five > gallon buckets > full of all kinds of junk.... most of it gathered up > after the tornado hit > my place). The gear I have is about 5 to 6 inches > in diameter and has the > slant teeth on it. But, it doesn't have a cam > lobe and has about a 3/4 > shaft hole. The number V12 is cast on it. I'll > post some photos to see if > anyone knows what it might be for. If you can > use it for anything Al, its > yours! There is a corresponding gear in the > bucket that has a governor on > it. I got these and some other parts from > an old gent and most of the items > were FM. Carbs, mags, etc. That's why > I was hopeful I had something you > could use. I wished I was going to get > to play the role of Santa here, > looks like I'll be closer to playing the > Grinch.> > Tommy Turner> > > > > > > Don't seem to trust anyone???????> >> > > I trust Tommy, Dave. :-\> >> > I look in my Xmas stocking every morning. > ;-)> >> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing > list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _________________________________________________________________ > It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1863 - Release Date: 12/24/2008 11:49 AM From pitty10 at aapt.net.au Thu Dec 25 15:34:03 2008 From: pitty10 at aapt.net.au (Bradley Pitt) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:34:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Trust Message-ID: <4C6AC8953D564940A08B2FDACC1D841F@brad> G'day Jimmy,The boat ride was $3500.00 Aus dollars quite reasonable considering the engine weighed 1.5 tonnes and was packaged in a large timber box.They didn't calculate the price on weight it was volume,so the bigger the box the higher the price hope that helps Jimmy cheers Brad From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Dec 25 20:46:21 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:46:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Trust In-Reply-To: <4C6AC8953D564940A08B2FDACC1D841F@brad> Message-ID: <20081226044621.5DD4044483C@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Thanks mate, Maybe if you cut the box down, you could put some thing smaller in it with curved flywheels and send it to San Francisco Ca. USA..Good Luck with your new toy. Any pictures? Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bradley Pitt Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 3:34 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Trust G'day Jimmy,The boat ride was $3500.00 Aus dollars quite reasonable considering the engine weighed 1.5 tonnes and was packaged in a large timber box.They didn't calculate the price on weight it was volume,so the bigger the box the higher the price hope that helps Jimmy cheers Brad _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 26 08:56:04 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:56:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <35608.50538.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <35608.50538.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590960AFF4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years. Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list. Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list. In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 26 09:03:07 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:03:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] trust In-Reply-To: <20081225025427.A315D405452@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <2C343C7A5D1E4B51A8A39FB5A3067202@brad> <20081225025427.A315D405452@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590960B001@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Jimmy, On the engines I've shipped and received from Europe, volume is the primary concern. You are billed by the cubic meter. Which is good in our hobby as stuff is quite heavy. I believe there is also a weight limit of 1 metric ton per cubic meter, but that hasn't been a problem. George Ps. Thanks for the Christmas card, the Field looks nice. Hope to see it running some day. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:54 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] trust Hi Brad, just curious, What did the boat ride cost? Was weight a factor or volume the primary concern? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca, USA Jim O'Hagan This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 10:34:05 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:34:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Message-ID: <955332.8925.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I?was just looking at?the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on?the auction.??I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:56 AM Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years.? Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list.? Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list.? In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri Dec 26 11:03:20 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:03:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <955332.8925.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <955332.8925.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590960B0A9@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I had something I was going to list that might be of interest to the tractor list guys that are into John Deere. But can't see listing it when there is no interest this year. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 10:34 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I?was just looking at?the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on?the auction.??I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 26 11:25:09 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:25:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction References: <955332.8925.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c9678f$aac87d20$66674b47@mikecomp> To be honest I think we just do a por job promoting it. We should have started talking about it long ago, reminders to send in items, when the bidding starts etc. Don't count it out yet. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I was just looking at the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on the auction. I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:56 AM Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years. Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list. Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list. In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 26 11:43:39 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:43:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction References: <955332.8925.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901c96792$401405f0$66674b47@mikecomp> I have some of Jerry's tags, would love to bid on more!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I was just looking at the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on the auction. I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:56 AM Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years. Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list. Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list. In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 12:00:27 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:00:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Message-ID: <181874.4261.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Really? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Where is your bidding? ?8>))) Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Mike Royster wrote: From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 2:43 PM I have some of Jerry's tags, would love to bid on more!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I was just looking at the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on the auction. I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:56 AM Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years. Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list. Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list. In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 26 12:40:53 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:40:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction References: <181874.4261.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005901c9679a$3ef79fd0$66674b47@mikecomp> Don't think it's over yet is it? Hide and watch!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Really? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Where is your bidding? 8>))) Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Mike Royster wrote: From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 2:43 PM I have some of Jerry's tags, would love to bid on more!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I was just looking at the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on the auction. I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:56 AM Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years. Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list. Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list. In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 15:50:46 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:50:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Message-ID: <404715.56448.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HIDE??? ME???? No it is you hiding. Are you one of those last second snipers? Isn't that kinda hard to do when this auction closes 20 minutes after the last bid? 8>)) Think how fun this would be if we had 30 or so items to bid on. 8>)) Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Mike Royster wrote: From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 3:40 PM Don't think it's over yet is it?? Hide and watch!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Really? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Where is your bidding? 8>))) Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Mike Royster wrote: From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 2:43 PM I have some of Jerry's tags, would love to bid on more!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Yes George, It does appear to almost be dead. There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash just backed off. That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) I was just looking at the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on the auction. I just saw a nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:56 AM Alan, I think the charity auction has died due to lack of interest. I haven't subscribed to the tractor list in many years. Don't know if anyone on this list is also on the tractor list. Just wondering if that list has also diminished to a few posters like the engine list. In any case, it appears the charity auction is dead on the tractor side too. Too bad..... it was pretty good for many years. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Isn't anyone else going to put an item up on the auction page? http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1230780566 Just one item and it is still mine. Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 27 11:32:17 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:32:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081227205130.00c34460@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 27/12/2008, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:43:39 -0500 >From: "Mike Royster" >Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction > > >I have some of Jerry's tags, would love to bid on more!!! > >MR >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alan" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:34 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction > > >Yes George, >It does appear to almost be dead. >There did seem to be some interest in the one item up for auction but I just >sweetened the bid and they with all their extra wheel barrow loads of cash >just backed off. >That manual is just a little old for my Jeep but I will love to have it if >they don't feel they can out bid me. 8>))) >I was just looking at the pictures on my digital camera chips and I wish >Jerry Evans had one of his engine plate offers on the auction. I just saw a >nice picture I took of a brass plate I need for a Witte. >Alan in Michigan O.K. O.K. O.K. you've convinced me. (Grin) Have a look at the site!! To be honest, I was not going to offer this year because I've had a few problems making them lately and have a few outstanding orders for which I apologise profusely. Luke, Elden and a few others are waiting for me, I have not forgotten - just need to sort out a problem which cropped up with the manufacture. Here's what happened. I make the masks by using a laser printer with a special film and then use a "heat press" to transfer this mask to the brass before etching. a) My Laser printer went "KAPUT" so I bought a new one from the same manufacturer (Samsung) but the latest version. b) At the same time I got in some new stock of the special film. My problems started there and were compounded by the fact that the thermostat on the heat press started acting erratically. Long story cut short. The damn stuff is not transferring properly and I'm having to spend a lot of time "touching up" masks with a tiny paint brush (only about 5 bristles) and vinyl silkscreen ink (it's immune to the ferric chloride I use to etch with). I cannot figure out if the new laser toner is to blame or is the new batch of film to blame or is it my heat presses fault. It is only going to be sorted out by a process of elimination. The problem is on the list of "To Do's" for the next few days so I've just got to get of my "Behind" and sort it out. I've got some "stock masks" made with the old printer onto a batch of the older film sheets so will try tomorrow and apply a few of these. If they work O.K. then I can eliminate the heat press as the source of the problem. Next is to take a few sheets of the new film to a small "print shop" in town (about 20Km's away) and get them to print onto the new film - I used their machine some time ago and I know that their machine and the old film worked fine together. Then it's back to the shop to try and apply these to brass. If they work O.K. then I can eliminate the film as the culprit and blame the new printer. If this does not work then I can blame the film. Unfortunately it is imported and not commonly used so I may have a few problems with the local agent. Time will tell. In the meantime, to those of you that are waiting, I apologise for the delay but do intend to write to you guys soon (you know who you are). I've got a few tags here waiting to go out but these are mostly for guys who have ordered multiple tags and I've not finished the whole order. Watch this space - I will sort the problem out. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 27 11:41:41 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:41:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction/Brass plates Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081227213614.00bef530@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi again Guys, I see that the listing on the auction site stripped my webpage address out and I just could not be bothered right now to go and edit it so here is the page that will show you what I need and some examples of the work I've done. I'm busy writing an updated page with more pics of more recent tags I've made but for now the old one will have to suffice: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Dec 27 14:00:25 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:00:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction References: <404715.56448.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c9686e$860c8af0$66674b47@mikecomp> I have to admit, I am a big time sniper! Hey, do any of you Novo guys know the check ball sizes for a 1.5 hp Novo? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction HIDE??? ME???? No it is you hiding. Are you one of those last second snipers? Isn't that kinda hard to do when this auction closes 20 minutes after the last bid? 8>)) Think how fun this would be if we had 30 or so items to bid on. 8>)) Alan in Michigan SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 27 14:22:17 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:22:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction/Brass plates Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081227225719.00c34460@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, I've changed the listing now - same items - same conditions etc. I just "spruced it up" a bit with some HTML. It's been up for at least 2 hours now - no "views", no "bids". Did I make a mistake? I thought that some of you guys wanted me to put it up? (smile). Someone mentioned that "we did not publicise it enough". I agree. I joined in on the fun of the "Charity Auction" in 2006 (I think) which was when I first offered a few plates. I remember that, at that time, the auction was mentioned on the lists from about October or November. My personal feeling was "Hey! what a great idea - I'd love to be involved". Last year it was a bit later. This year it was only now (late December). Also, in the first year (of my involvement), I remember list mail after the auction that discussed what the "proceeds" would be used for, last year - nothing - or did I miss it? (I seldom miss "SEL mail"). I do not give a damn as to where the proceeds go and prefer to leave that to the "administrators" - so long as it is a deserving cause (and preferably within the "old engine fraternity"). It just gives me that "warm fuzzy feeling" that I could contribute. I think that the "Charity Auction" is a great idea - it costs me very little to be involved, or to offer something to scrape in a few bucks which could be used for a good cause at this time of the year. What the heck, I even bought a Maytag on the auction and I love it to bits and it also gave me that "warm fuzzy feeling". (Thanks Dave!) You guy's in the "States" must have many items that you could offer on the auction (as I have but shipping would be a major cost from here). So I offer small things that are quite unique and I can offer to pay the postage. Once again, it does not cost me a lot to get involved but it does provide me with a lot of pleasure to know that I am helping. (That "warm fuzzy feeling" again). "tis the season for giving" so get with the programme. On another tack, the first year that I offered "plates", I think that my offerings were the single biggest "earner" on the auction (with the possible exception of the Maytag that Dave offered and I bought) and last year my plates and the "blue fencing pliers" brought in more revenue than all the other offerings combined (I did not offer the legendary "Blue pliers"). It gave me a lot of pleasure to know that I could contribute to something worthwhile and run by many friends (you guys - O.K. maybe run by Spencer) who have helped me so much and have become such good friends even though I've actually never met you. Come on guys - lets try to make the "Charity Auction" fun again. You've each gotta have a little thing there somewhere that you do not need and it does not "owe you anything". Maybe someone else could use it and the cash could help someone else. We could also have a lot of fun bidding on it - and do not forget the "warm fuzzy feeling" That's my bit for tonight! I only get the "Digest" version of the SEL so now have to wait 24 hours to read the replies to this mail. I really hope that it has the desired effect of seeing a lot more "items" offered on the "Charity Auction" site. They do not have to be "Big" things as mentioned - look through your sheds - there are bound to be many things that are too good to throw away but you've been holding on to for years but have no use for (we all have stuff like this). Keep well Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 28 12:57:09 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:57:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Stationary_now_but_WOW_would_it_go?= Message-ID: <2742C78DE35D4216BC3589C515386973@peterlowe> Hi Guy This is stationary now but I would love to see it fitted to something fast. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/V12-ROLLS-ROYCE-METEOR-27-LITRE-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ190275647985QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Boat_Parts_Accessories?hash=item190275647985&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Peter, Oz From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Dec 28 13:24:04 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:24:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Stationary now but WOW would it go References: <2742C78DE35D4216BC3589C515386973@peterlowe> Message-ID: <1D382A0AEFF9430BAAB9044D1E1ED695@tommydk7hxjr4h> Read the questions and answers in the listing. Quite interesting. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Stationary now but WOW would it go > Hi Guy > This is stationary now but I would love to see it fitted to something > fast. > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/V12-ROLLS-ROYCE-METEOR-27-LITRE-STATIONARY-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ190275647985QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Boat_Parts_Accessories?hash=item190275647985&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 > > Peter, Oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1867 - Release Date: 12/28/2008 2:23 PM From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 28 20:30:24 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:30:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Steve Royster - Looking for you Message-ID: <18C55217E28E4F268E3C4BD1BF867C52@PAUL> Hey Steve if you see this e-mail contact me off list. paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thanks Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 28 20:52:27 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:52:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Steve Royster e-mail address Message-ID: Could someone send me Steve's e-mail address? Thanks, Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Dec 28 22:59:33 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:59:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 Message-ID: <1B586FDD5E9F4F269469DDB1BA8ADFA9@peterlowe> Hi All Does anyone have a copy of: Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 By Beverly Rae Kimes, Henry Austin Clark Contributor Henry Austin Clark Published by Krause Publications, 1996 ISBN 0873414284, 9780873414289 1612 pages Please contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au Regards Peter From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 29 03:40:22 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:40:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Steve Royster e-mail address References: Message-ID: <001001c969aa$3c09c5c0$66674b47@mikecomp> Royster, Steve E-mail Address(es): steve_royster at hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Steve Royster e-mail address > Could someone send me Steve's e-mail address? > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Dec 29 03:53:06 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:53:06 EST Subject: [SEL] Need Steve Royster e-mail address Message-ID: In a message dated 12/28/2008 11:59:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: Could someone send me Steve's e-mail address? _steve_royster at hotmail.com_ (mailto:steve_royster at hotmail.com) Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Dec 29 04:54:52 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:54:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 In-Reply-To: <1B586FDD5E9F4F269469DDB1BA8ADFA9@peterlowe> References: <1B586FDD5E9F4F269469DDB1BA8ADFA9@peterlowe> Message-ID: <2020.165.206.180.15.1230555292.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I sure WISH I did!! Still not too late to get me a Christmas gift! LOL Running a CAR related forum, it could be handy. Bill > Hi All > Does anyone have a copy of: > > Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 > By Beverly Rae Kimes, Henry Austin Clark > Contributor Henry Austin Clark > Published by Krause Publications, 1996 > ISBN 0873414284, 9780873414289 > 1612 pages > > Please contact me OFF LIST > plowe at exemail.com.au > > > Regards > Peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 29 07:32:49 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:32:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 In-Reply-To: <1B586FDD5E9F4F269469DDB1BA8ADFA9@peterlowe> References: <1B586FDD5E9F4F269469DDB1BA8ADFA9@peterlowe> Message-ID: <54269fd82bcde0be82e167f77b55d252.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Pete, If you want to buy a copy, http://used.addall.com/ lists two at ~$200 each. See ya, Arnie On Mon, December 29, 2008 1:59 am, Peter Lowe wrote: > Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 > By Beverly Rae Kimes, Henry Austin Clark > Contributor Henry Austin Clark > Published by Krause Publications, 1996 > ISBN 0873414284, 9780873414289 > 1612 pages -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Mon Dec 29 08:58:16 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:58:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's New Book References: <1B586FDD5E9F4F269469DDB1BA8ADFA9@peterlowe> <54269fd82bcde0be82e167f77b55d252.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <01d301c969d6$a4ff91a0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> I saw a copy of C.H. Wendel's latest book on American machinery. I forget the exact title but it had quite a section on stationary steam engines. I would like to buy a copy. Where can I get one at? Thanks Rick From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Dec 29 09:11:47 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:11:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's New Book Message-ID: <20081229.091147.1796.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi again Rick. I would start by calling Farm Collector Books at 1-866-624-9388. They list many of his other books, if they don't have it, they may know where to get it. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:58:16 -0500 "Tod Engine Foundation" writes: > I saw a copy of C.H. Wendel's latest book on American machinery. I > forget > the exact title but it had quite a section on stationary steam > engines. I > would like to buy a copy. Where can I get one at? > > Thanks > > Rick ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 From toadhill at aeroinc.net Mon Dec 29 11:31:03 2008 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:31:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book Message-ID: <5012F282D78B49ACB8A21EDA13CCBE28@joe5599c86d812> Rick, You can buy the book directly from Chuck Wendel at 4415 F. Street, Amana Ia. 52203. Joe From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Dec 29 11:32:49 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:32:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: HI Folks! I got this e-mail from this gentleman last year at this time and gave him my Lorenz information. HOWEVER, I cannot find his website or the Lorenz registry. My engine never showed up on the registry. Do you think perhaps he used my information illegally or for personal gain? Worried in North Carolina. > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:42:36 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > Hi Folks,> > I've been busy over the holidays doing updates to the Lorenz and Benz engine> registry. If any of you have Lorenz or Benz engines, please send the details> to me so that I can include the engines in the register. I need S/N, HP,> Owner's Name, City/State/Country and any comments about unique features,> condition, etc.> > If you have photos, please send those as well. I would prefer that the> pictures NOT be reduced in size.> > One gentleman in Holland who has a number of Czech engines has provided a lot> of info for the register. He also provided this link to a video of one of the> rarest of the Lorenz and Benz engines; one with low tension ignition!!> > ENJOY!!> > See ya, Arnie> > Arnie Fero> Pittsburgh, PA> fero_ah at city-net.com> > ----- Forwarded message from Peter Daamen -----> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:16:36 +0100> From: Peter Daamen > Subject: RE: Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > Hi Arnie,> > Best wishes for the new year !!!> > I found the next clip on youtube:> > http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoXyvPMk5E> > Nice running low tension Lorenz> > And we keep in contact for your visit to Holland.> > Gr.> > Peter> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 29 11:45:10 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:45:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: References: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909683086@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/registry.htm -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:33 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register HI Folks! I got this e-mail from this gentleman last year at this time and gave him my Lorenz information. HOWEVER, I cannot find his website or the Lorenz registry. My engine never showed up on the registry. Do you think perhaps he used my information illegally or for personal gain? Worried in North Carolina. > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:42:36 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > Hi Folks,> > I've been busy over the holidays doing updates to the Lorenz and Benz engine> registry. If any of you have Lorenz or Benz engines, please send the details> to me so that I can include the engines in the register. I need S/N, HP,> Owner's Name, City/State/Country and any comments about unique features,> condition, etc.> > If you have photos, please send those as well. I would prefer that the> pictures NOT be reduced in size.> > One gentleman in Holland who has a number of Czech engines has provided a lot> of info for the register. He also provided this link to a video of one of the> rarest of the Lorenz and Benz engines; one with low tension ignition!!> > ENJOY!!> > See ya, Arnie> > Arnie Fero> Pittsburgh, PA> fero_ah at city-net.com> > ----- Forwarded message from Peter Daamen -----> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:16:36 +0100> From: Peter Daamen > Subject: RE: Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > Hi Arnie,> > Best wishes for the new year !!!> > I found the next clip on youtube:> > http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoXyvPMk5E> > Nice running low tension Lorenz> > And we keep in contact for your visit to Holland.> > Gr.> > Peter> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista(r). http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Dec 29 11:55:44 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:55:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909683086@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909683086@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Gee George, They must be really rare, I didn't realize there were only four of them in existance, Mine must be a knock -off or something and that's why it's not on the registry, Thanks for the help. Steve > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:45:10 -0600> From: George_Best at adp.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/registry.htm> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve> Royster> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:33 AM> To: The SEL email discussion list> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > > HI Folks! I got this e-mail from this gentleman last year at this time> and gave him my Lorenz information. HOWEVER, I cannot find his website> or the Lorenz registry. My engine never showed up on the registry. Do> you think perhaps he used my information illegally or for personal gain?> > > Worried in North Carolina. > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:42:36 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To:> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine> Register> > Hi Folks,> > I've been busy over the holidays doing updates> to the Lorenz and Benz engine> registry. If any of you have Lorenz or> Benz engines, please send the details> to me so that I can include the> engines in the register. I need S/N, HP,> Owner's Name,> City/State/Country and any comments about unique features,> condition,> etc.> > If you have photos, please send those as well. I would prefer> that the> pictures NOT be reduced in size.> > One gentleman in Holland> who has a number of Czech engines has provided a lot> of info for the> register. He also provided this link to a video of one of the> rarest of> the Lorenz and Benz engines; one with low tension ignition!!> > ENJOY!!>> > See ya, Arnie> > Arnie Fero> Pittsburgh, PA> fero_ah at city-net.com> >> ----- Forwarded message from Peter Daamen -----> Date:> Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:16:36 +0100> From: Peter Daamen >> Subject: RE: Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > Hi Arnie,> > Best wishes> for the new year !!!> > I found the next clip on youtube:> >> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoXyvPMk5E> > Nice running low tension> Lorenz> > And we keep in contact for your visit to Holland.> > Gr.> >> Peter> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing> list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _________________________________________________________________> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows> Vista(r). > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 29 12:29:24 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:29:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: References: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909683086@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590968312C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> It is too bad that Mr Fero didn't take the registry more serious. I'm sure there are quite a few Czech engines in the U.S. and Canada. I have 4 in my barn ;-) I'll leave the fancy wordsmithing to the other Czech engine collectors on this list ;-) Would be nice if Mr Fero shared some of the registry information and supplied his web mistress with more material. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Gee George, They must be really rare, I didn't realize there were only four of them in existance, Mine must be a knock -off or something and that's why it's not on the registry, Thanks for the help. Steve > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:45:10 -0600> From: George_Best at adp.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/registry.htm> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve> Royster> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:33 AM> To: The SEL email discussion list> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > > HI Folks! I got this e-mail from this gentleman last year at this time> and gave him my Lorenz information. HOWEVER, I cannot find his website> or the Lorenz registry. My engine never showed up on the registry. Do> you think perhaps he used my information illegally or for personal gain?> > > Worried in North Carolina. > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:42:36 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To:> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine> Regist! er> > Hi Folks,> > I've been busy over the holidays doing updates> to the Lorenz and Benz engine> registry. If any of you have Lorenz or> Benz engines, please send the details> to me so that I can include the> engines in the register. I need S/N, HP,> Owner's Name,> City/State/Country and any comments about unique features,> condition,> etc.> > If you have photos, please send those as well. I would prefer> that the> pictures NOT be reduced in size.> > One gentleman in Holland> who has a number of Czech engines has provided a lot> of info for the> register. He also provided this link to a video of one of the> rarest of> the Lorenz and Benz engines; one with low tension ignition!!> > ENJOY!!>> > See ya, Arnie> > Arnie Fero> Pittsburgh, PA> fero_ah at city-net.com> >> ----- Forwarded message from Peter Daamen -----> Date:> Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:16:36 +0100> From: Peter Daamen >> Subject: RE: Lorenz & Benz Engine Register> > Hi Arnie,> > Best wishes! > for the new year !!!> > I found the next clip on youtube:> >> http:/ /nl.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoXyvPMk5E> > Nice running low tension> Lorenz> > And we keep in contact for your visit to Holland.> > Gr.> >> Peter> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing> list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _________________________________________________________________> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows> Vista(r). > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From kosh at ncweb.com Mon Dec 29 12:52:01 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:52:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book In-Reply-To: <5012F282D78B49ACB8A21EDA13CCBE28@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081229155141.02e63ae0@ncweb.com> What is the title? Dave Merchant At 02:31 PM 12/29/2008, you wrote: >Rick, > >You can buy the book directly from Chuck Wendel at 4415 F. Street, Amana >Ia. 52203. > >Joe >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 29 13:54:33 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:54:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590968312C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <1199212956.477a899c35399@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909683086@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590968312C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <8dc42c0eb52e2bfd6b9c21f65f575284.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Oh ho Mr. Best, holding out on me I see. Four 'eh? All I have of yours in the registry is a 5-6 hp Benz S/N: 2672. So let's have the other three (with pics if you have 'em). The registry total (so far) is 47 Lorenz and 38 Benz engines. As to getting some of our esteemed Flame Mistresses time; well, I'll let her speak for herself. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Steve, despite my best efforts at evading your pit bull guard dawgs, I have to say that the 3-4 hp Lorenz S/N: 16233 appears to still be in your collection. On Mon, December 29, 2008 3:29 pm, Best, George wrote: > It is too bad that Mr Fero didn't take the registry more serious. > I'm sure there are quite a few Czech engines in the U.S. and Canada. I > have 4 in my barn ;-) > > I'll leave the fancy wordsmithing to the other Czech engine collectors > on this list ;-) > Would be nice if Mr Fero shared some of the registry information and > supplied his web mistress with more material. > > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Steve Royster > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:56 AM > > Gee George, They must be really rare, I didn't realize there were only > four of them in existance, Mine must be a knock -off or something and > that's why it's not on the registry, Thanks for the help. Steve -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. 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(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 14:47:04 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:47:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Arnie Ferro Compressor Story Message-ID: <452175.23208.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Jerry, Take a look at the pictures of that Fero compressor on Arnie's web page and you will see just what a "story" Mike wrote. Another more true tale from the SEL list was from a?gal that used to post messages. Watch me butcher her name. Sheelin Prinzinger,, ?Did I get it right folks? She told us how her husband got a great deal on an engine by just saying two words. Does anyone have a copy of that old email? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Jerry Evans wrote: From: Jerry Evans Subject: Re: Arnie Ferro Compressor Story To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 3:21 PM At 09:29 PM 29/12/2008, you wrote: >Hi Craig, >I think you meant Arnie Fero. >You just needed to go to Arnies web page and follow a couple links to get >here. 8>)) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero2.htm > >I love this story. >Alan in Michigan Yes Alan, ? ? ? ???One of the best "Old Iron Collecting" stories on the net. Mike's descriptive writing has me in fits every time I read it. Arnie, did you ever fix the compressor? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From curt at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 29 15:00:03 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:00:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. Message-ID: <59477.168.215.206.73.1230591603.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Off topic, but hopefully a few mechanics out there can confirm something for me. Working on the Willis transmissions. There is a 3 speed T-96 standard transmission with the Borg Warner 2 speed R10 electric operated transmission on the back. I've got it all back together and am shifting it and checking out the OD functions on the bench. With the OD solenoid activated I am seeing that the freewheeling action is disabled AND I am seeing that the output shaft won't rotate in the backward direction. Does this all sound correct? Freewheeling works with the solenoid off in all 3 forward gears. Since the OD tranny's purpose is to promote fuel economy, I expected freewheeling in the OD mode as well. Imagine my surprise. So that's why I'm checking to see if anyone knows. The lack of rolling backwards was a bit of a surprise too. The books all tell you that if the pawl hangs up and won't release the OD, you'll not be able to get the vehicle in reverse, nor will you be able to roll it backwards. With a little additional wiring, one could configure the vehicle to be self holding on steep hills for inexperienced clutch users/drivers. Thanks for any guidance anyone has. Curt Holland From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 29 15:48:31 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:48:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Ferro Compressor Story References: <452175.23208.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c96a0f$f4b16550$66674b47@mikecomp> Speaking of the Fero compressor, is the restoration finished yet? Will we see it at Portland this year? This is the 7th anniversary of the compressor in his possession, along with a free Brunner tank and motor. Surely to goodness this thing is finished by now!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie Ferro Compressor Story Hey Jerry, Take a look at the pictures of that Fero compressor on Arnie's web page and you will see just what a "story" Mike wrote. Another more true tale from the SEL list was from a gal that used to post messages. Watch me butcher her name. Sheelin Prinzinger,, Did I get it right folks? She told us how her husband got a great deal on an engine by just saying two words. Does anyone have a copy of that old email? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Jerry Evans wrote: From: Jerry Evans Subject: Re: Arnie Ferro Compressor Story To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 3:21 PM At 09:29 PM 29/12/2008, you wrote: >Hi Craig, >I think you meant Arnie Fero. >You just needed to go to Arnies web page and follow a couple links to get >here. 8>)) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero2.htm > >I love this story. >Alan in Michigan Yes Alan, One of the best "Old Iron Collecting" stories on the net. Mike's descriptive writing has me in fits every time I read it. Arnie, did you ever fix the compressor? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Mon Dec 29 17:02:07 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:02:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. In-Reply-To: <59477.168.215.206.73.1230591603.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59477.168.215.206.73.1230591603.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4959730F.7070107@telenet.net> curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Off topic, but hopefully a few mechanics out there can confirm something > for me. > Working on the Willis transmissions. There is a 3 speed T-96 standard > transmission with the Borg Warner 2 speed R10 electric operated > transmission on the back. I've got it all back together and am shifting it > and checking out the OD functions on the bench. > With the OD solenoid activated I am seeing that the freewheeling action is > disabled AND I am seeing that the output shaft won't rotate in the > backward direction. Does this all sound correct? > > Freewheeling works with the solenoid off in all 3 forward gears. Since the > OD tranny's purpose is to promote fuel economy, I expected freewheeling in > the OD mode as well. Imagine my surprise. So that's why I'm checking to > see if anyone knows. > > The lack of rolling backwards was a bit of a surprise too. The books all > tell you that if the pawl hangs up and won't release the OD, you'll not be > able to get the vehicle in reverse, nor will you be able to roll it > backwards. With a little additional wiring, one could configure the > vehicle to be self holding on steep hills for inexperienced clutch > users/drivers. > > Thanks for any guidance anyone has. > Curt Holland > > I've got one someplace in the back of the shop. I think it's on a Saginaw 3 speed. I seem to remember it did the same thing out of the vehicle but it's been a LONG time since I played with it. Here are a couple items you might want to look at. http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/borg-warner-r10-overdrives-59428-2.html http://www.hydratech.com/pctc/Public_Documents/bwwiring.pdf. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Dec 29 18:08:54 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:08:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. In-Reply-To: <59477.168.215.206.73.1230591603.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Curt: You're now talkin' to a guy who's had several of the Borg Warner Overdrive units in various cars. To answer your questions, when the Overdrive is locked out via the dash cable, it acts like a regular stick shift in all ways. Definition of "lock-out": When the Overdrive gearbox is locked out, the sun gear is locked to the outer ring gear by shifting the sun gear so teeth in it engage with inside teeth in the planetary gear carrier. When the dash cable is pushed in, the transmission free-wheels in all three gears except reverse. When the transmission is put into reverse, a pushrod from the reverse shift fork forces the Overdrive to lock-out, otherwise, the transmission would lock-up when you tried to reverse and could damage the sprag clutch or planetary gearset. When the engagement solenoid is actuated, a pawl in conjunction with the sprag (one-way) clutch causes the sun gear to be held stationary while power from the engine is transmitted to the gear cage. When the engagement solenoid is not actuated and the Overdrive is -not- locked out, power is transmitted from the sun gear and the cage to the ring gear, giving a 1:1 ratio. THERE IS NO FREE-WHEELING WHEN EITHER THE O/D IS LOCKED OUT OR IS NOT LOCKED OUT AND THE SOLENOID IS ENGAGED. Years ago, "free-wheeling" was touted by, I think, Chevrolet, as being an economy move. It actually was a danger because the engine could not brake the car and, going down hills required riding the brakes, heating them up and causing them to fade. There are a couple of other things that you should understand about the electrics of the Overdrive system. There is a governor that actuates a relay which, in turn, powers the Overdrive solenoid. The solenoid has two coils inside with a set of contacts that shifts beween a high-power coil when the plunger is in the disengaged state and a lower power coil which holds the solenoid plunger bottomed with less current when it is engaged. There is also a "kick-down" button underneath the gas pedal that has a form-c contact arrangement. The normally closed contact is in series with the ground line to the relay coil. When you floor the accelerator, the pedal actuates the switch and releases the solenoid by interrupting ground to the relay coil. You will note that there is a second contact inside the governor which goes to the second solenoid wire. This contact closes a circuit to ground when the solenoid is energized and grounds the ignition points to kill engine power for a very short interval to release the load on the Overdrive pawl, allowing it to retract. Once the pawl has retracted, power is restored. If the system's working right, above about 30 mph (depending on the speed at which the governor powers the relay) and with the dash cable pushed in, the overdrive can be engaged by letting off the gas and allowing the higher gear to engage. You can feel the shudder when the pawl engages and then can re-apply power. When you need the lower (non-Overdrive) gear while cruising (and above governed speed), simply floor the accelerator and you will then be in "passing gear". Once you've finished passing, simply let off the gas and let the Overdrive re-engage. Rule: Do NOT pull out the Overdrive dash knob while free-wheeling! This will cause a very irritating and not-too healthy grind of the sun gear with the internal gear on the gear cage. If you must lock out the Overdrive while moving, pull the dash knob out only after flooring the accelerator (kicking down the transmission) while power is applied. In conclusion, I've driven several hundred thousand miles with Overdrive transmissions. When used properly, they are reliable and long lasting. In fact, Overdrive extensions were used on Chevys up to the 1960's. Note that the Overdrive option was really nice when friends in the '50's went to the drags with their Detroit iron. Most Overdrive cars had 4.11:1 rear axles and could really scat in a drag race and, with the Overdrive in the car, they were legal under stock rules. Simply lock out the O/D and beat the competition. I added a little feature in my '54 Ford. I put a switch on the dash that allowed me to engage the O/D at a stop and pull out with an extra high set of three speed gears (like a two speed axle). One of the things we did in my teens was to play "low gear chicken" (for the lack of a better term). Two cars would line up and take off in low gear. The point was not to get somewhere first but to see who had either the engine or the nerve to go fastest in low gear. There were more than a couple of '55 (283) Chevy drivers that were embarrassed to be outclassed by a measly 239 Ford. That thing would do almost 60 in low gear! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 05:00 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. > > > Off topic, but hopefully a few mechanics out > there can confirm something > for me. > Working on the Willis transmissions. There is a 3 > speed T-96 standard > transmission with the Borg Warner 2 speed R10 > electric operated > transmission on the back. I've got it all back > together and am shifting it > and checking out the OD functions on the bench. > With the OD solenoid activated I am seeing that > the freewheeling action is > disabled AND I am seeing that the output shaft > won't rotate in the > backward direction. Does this all sound correct? > > Freewheeling works with the solenoid off in all 3 > forward gears. Since the > OD tranny's purpose is to promote fuel economy, I > expected freewheeling in > the OD mode as well. Imagine my surprise. So > that's why I'm checking to > see if anyone knows. > > The lack of rolling backwards was a bit of a > surprise too. The books all > tell you that if the pawl hangs up and won't > release the OD, you'll not be > able to get the vehicle in reverse, nor will you > be able to roll it > backwards. With a little additional wiring, one > could configure the > vehicle to be self holding on steep hills for > inexperienced clutch > users/drivers. > > Thanks for any guidance anyone has. > Curt Holland From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 30 09:31:48 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:31:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?There were more than a couple of '55 (283) Chevy drivers that were embarrassed to be outclassed by a measly 239 Ford. That thing would do almost 60 in low gear! :-)? Ayup. I had a 239 Ford (?54 ragtop) and a ?59 Rambler Classic. Had to put the switch in the Ford; the Rambler would cheerfully wind far enough to engage the OD in first. The Y-block, due to its very limited breathing, was far less fragile than the Chebbie. Same deal with the nail head Buick; the tiny valves limited engine speed before it could hurt itself Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Dec 30 09:32:22 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:32:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081230192437.00bd35c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 30/12/2008, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:32:49 -0500 >From: Steve Royster >Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register > >HI Folks! I got this e-mail from this gentleman last year at this time >and gave him my Lorenz information. HOWEVER, I cannot find his website or >the Lorenz registry. My engine never showed up on the registry. Do you >think perhaps he used my information illegally or for personal gain? > >Worried in North Carolina. Steve, That's amazing. I had the same experience and also fell for it. I actually sent pics and other info on some Lorenz engines here in South Africa. You've got me worried now - maybe I'd better warn the owners! Do you know this guy? Is he trustworthy? At the time I thought it was a genuine request but now you've got me worried. maybe it's a scam - like the guy who keeps sending mail to Peter Lowe in Aus and "offering" him R&V parts!! Please keep me informed! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 30 11:23:14 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:23:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. References: Message-ID: <09D34274342B4FD58118DE5E4570A390@YOURDA6F5028CB> Same deal with the nail head Buick; the tiny valves limited engine speed before it could hurt itself Not so fast there, The Buick engines like that will rev up high enough to flote the valves. They would hit the pistons at a severe angle due to the pent house head design (all the valves on one side) and bend a whole bunch of them. Not that much labor back then unless it holed some pistons. Skip Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1869 - Release Date: 12/30/2008 12:06 PM From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Dec 30 11:26:22 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081230192437.00bd35c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081230192437.00bd35c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, I now think the FBI is involved in the scam as well! They have a headquarters in Kibworth Harcourt, Leicester and our shady character travels to this location at least once a year as well as other countries such as Korea. I think I'm going to post some wanted ads for Lorenz engines in these locations and see what happens. Maybe we can route them out. In the meantime I'd have to advise against sending him anymore pictures or serial numbers, just to be safe! Cautious in North Carolina. > > > >Worried in North Carolina.> > Steve,> That's amazing. I had the same experience and also fell for it. I > actually sent pics and other info on some Lorenz engines here in South Africa.> You've got me worried now - maybe I'd better warn the owners! Do > you know this guy? Is he trustworthy? At the time I thought it was a > genuine request but now you've got me worried. maybe it's a scam - like the > guy who keeps sending mail to Peter Lowe in Aus and "offering" him R&V parts!!> Please keep me informed!> > > Keep the revs up (or down)> Jerry Evans> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:> > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 From toadhill at aeroinc.net Tue Dec 30 11:35:17 2008 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:35:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book Message-ID: <1E575B77A5194AE2BD45F962B6EEEAB8@joe5599c86d812> Dave, The title of the book is "American Industrial Machinery Since 1870". Joe From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Tue Dec 30 11:54:15 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:54:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book References: <1E575B77A5194AE2BD45F962B6EEEAB8@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <01e101c96ab8$6521a400$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Yes that is it. Searching under that title I found out where to order the book. Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe&Jewel Maurer" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book > Dave, > > The title of the book is "American Industrial Machinery Since 1870". > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Dec 30 11:52:38 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:52:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book Message-ID: <380-2200812230195238540@coastalnet.com> Google found it with no problem: http://www.briarpress.org/12398 Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Joe&Jewel Maurer > To: > Date: 12/30/2008 2:35:40 PM > Subject: [SEL] Wendel's Book > > Dave, > > The title of the book is "American Industrial Machinery Since 1870". > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 30 15:04:39 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:04:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bruce: I could wind my 239 tight enough to get into O/D without the switch but the rule was to start off and stay in low gear. I figured that shifting into O/D on the fly would have been dirty pool, nyuk, nyuk! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Bruce > Younger > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:32 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. > > > > ?There were more than a couple of '55 (283) > Chevy drivers that were embarrassed to be > outclassed by a measly 239 Ford. That thing > would do almost 60 in low gear! :-)? > > Ayup. I had a 239 Ford (?54 ragtop) and a ?59 Rambler > Classic. Had to put the switch in the > Ford; the Rambler would cheerfully wind far > enough to engage the OD in > first. The Y-block, due to its very > limited breathing, was far less fragile than the > Chebbie. Same deal with the nail head Buick; the tiny > valves limited engine speed before it could hurt itself > > Bruce Younger > > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > > Madison, SD > > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > > "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man > and those that have hunted > armed men long enough and liked it, never care > for anything else thereafter." > > E. Hemingway > > > > __________________________________________________ > _______________ > Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. > http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TA GLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Dec 30 15:11:57 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:11:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081230192437.00bd35c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi, Cautious in North Carolina, I wouldn't be worried about the scam now that we know the FBI are involved .But I will say that I have stepped up security features around my Benz and Lorenz engines over the last few days. I to was contacted last year about the engines in my owner ship, but the said person already had the details and was just rechecking them, he was also seen at a show in Holland with his pen and notebook taking serial numbers and also photographs of only Benz and Lorenz engines and also the FBI team members were with him on this mission. Very cautious in the U.K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Hi Jerry, I now think the FBI is involved in the scam as well! They have a headquarters in Kibworth Harcourt, Leicester and our shady character travels to this location at least once a year as well as other countries such as Korea. I think I'm going to post some wanted ads for Lorenz engines in these locations and see what happens. Maybe we can route them out. In the meantime I'd have to advise against sending him anymore pictures or serial numbers, just to be safe! Cautious in North Carolina. > > > >Worried in North Carolina.> > Steve,> That's amazing. I had the same > > > >experience and also fell for it. I > actually sent pics and other > > > >info on some Lorenz engines here in South Africa.> You've got me > > > >worried now - maybe I'd better warn the owners! Do > you know this > > > >guy? Is he trustworthy? At the time I thought it was a > genuine > > > >request but now you've got me worried. maybe it's a scam - like the > > > > >guy who keeps sending mail to Peter Lowe in Aus and "offering" him > > > >R&V parts!!> Please keep me informed!> > > Keep the revs up (or > > > >down)> Jerry Evans> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.> Etched > > > >Brass Engine Plates made to order:> > > > >> > > > > > > >_______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Dec 30 16:19:19 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:19:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081230192437.00bd35c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001401c96add$6c6058e0$66674b47@mikecomp> OMG, I've been scammed by this fellow too! Years ago he contacted me about "helping" him find an air compressor, some kind of family heirloom thing. Well, he piled it on thick and being from the south and all helpful and trusting, not only did I find him one for next to nothing, then I gave him a tank and motor. I don't mind telling you guys, I suffered to get him all that stuff and do you know, I have never seen them again. I think he sold them to a collector or scrap, as no one knows of these items in 7 years!!! Oh what a slick con man he is!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Hi, Cautious in North Carolina, I wouldn't be worried about the scam now that we know the FBI are involved .But I will say that I have stepped up security features around my Benz and Lorenz engines over the last few days. I to was contacted last year about the engines in my owner ship, but the said person already had the details and was just rechecking them, he was also seen at a show in Holland with his pen and notebook taking serial numbers and also photographs of only Benz and Lorenz engines and also the FBI team members were with him on this mission. Very cautious in the U.K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Hi Jerry, I now think the FBI is involved in the scam as well! They have a headquarters in Kibworth Harcourt, Leicester and our shady character travels to this location at least once a year as well as other countries such as Korea. I think I'm going to post some wanted ads for Lorenz engines in these locations and see what happens. Maybe we can route them out. In the meantime I'd have to advise against sending him anymore pictures or serial numbers, just to be safe! Cautious in North Carolina. > > > >Worried in North Carolina.> > Steve,> That's amazing. I had the same > > > >experience and also fell for it. I > actually sent pics and other > > > >info on some Lorenz engines here in South Africa.> You've got me > > > >worried now - maybe I'd better warn the owners! Do > you know this > > > >guy? Is he trustworthy? At the time I thought it was a > genuine > > > >request but now you've got me worried. maybe it's a scam - like the > > > > >guy who keeps sending mail to Peter Lowe in Aus and "offering" him > > > >R&V parts!!> Please keep me informed!> > > Keep the revs up (or > > > >down)> Jerry Evans> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.> Etched > > > >Brass Engine Plates made to order:> > > > >> > > > > > > >_______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Dec 30 16:41:13 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:41:13 EST Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/2008 7:19:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, mr at carolina.rr.com writes: Oh what a slick con man he is!!!!! When atomic atoms float in your head, what else would you expect! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Dec 30 19:10:24 2008 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:10:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. References: Message-ID: <003f01c96af5$533fed40$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Hi Bruce! I had both the Saginaw 3 speed with the Borg overdrive and the free-wheeling equipped 32 Chevy. The Saginaw was from a 67 Chevelle and I put it in a 66 GTO with 389 and tripower. It not only took the abuse of a power crazed teenager and held up, it also wound the speedometer around to the pin on more than one occasion, and considering the suspension limitations of the 66 Goat, it's a wonder I made it to adulthood. As for the 32 Chevrolet, whoever thought up the combo of free-wheeling and mechanical brakes was surely a flat-lander, as driving it in upstate New York was akin to a suicide mission. On long hills, it liked to put itself into freewheeling. This only happened to me once and I wired that thing out with baling wire on the arm and never used it again. I'd love to have either of those cars back again, but I couldn't afford them at today's prices! Thanks for the memories and good luck with yours!- Jim Mackessy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. ?There were more than a couple of '55 (283) Chevy drivers that were embarrassed to be outclassed by a measly 239 Ford. That thing would do almost 60 in low gear! :-)? Ayup. I had a 239 Ford (?54 ragtop) and a ?59 Rambler Classic. Had to put the switch in the Ford; the Rambler would cheerfully wind far enough to engage the OD in first. The Y-block, due to its very limited breathing, was far less fragile than the Chebbie. Same deal with the nail head Buick; the tiny valves limited engine speed before it could hurt itself Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Dec 31 05:00:09 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:00:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz Message-ID: <566B7767EF0446E2B70D382C9D8DB6DC@peterlowe> Hi everyone. Happy New Year from Australia. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 31 10:04:49 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:04:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 57, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081231194912.00be3628@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 31/12/2008, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:22 -0500 >From: Steve Royster >Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register > >Hi Jerry, I now think the FBI is involved in the scam as well! They have >a headquarters in Kibworth Harcourt, Leicester and our shady character >travels to this location at least once a year as well as other countries >such as Korea. I think I'm going to post some wanted ads for Lorenz >engines in these locations and see what happens. Maybe we can route them >out. In the meantime I'd have to advise against sending him anymore >pictures or serial numbers, just to be safe! Cautious in North Carolina. Hi Steve, Mike and Craig, OMIGOSH !! Now you guy's have now really got me worried. What with annual trips to the FBI & Nuenen and reports of his only collecting pics an serial numbers of Lorenz engines.. Do you really think that there is a risk with the FBI being involved - I often wondered why one of them writes his webpages - could this all be part of a much bigger plot that you have just uncovered? Of particular concern to me is the fact that this same individual has, for the last few years, been hinting at the possibility of a trip to South Africa. He does this under the guise of needing to do some work at our nuclear power station (which, btw, just happens to be situated very close to one of our last untapped old iron regions) Do you think that I should warn our local authorities ? Help me on this one please guys - what should I do? Very worried in South Africa!! From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 31 11:23:32 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:23:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081231194912.00be3628@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081231194912.00be3628@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hey Dolly, They may be onto us... Ya reckon we should deal them in for a percentage of the swag? Or just provide their names to Da Boyz? See ya, Arnie On Wed, December 31, 2008 1:04 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: >>From: Steve Royster >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz & Benz Engine Register >> >>Hi Jerry, I now think the FBI is involved in the scam as well! They have >>a headquarters in Kibworth Harcourt, Leicester and our shady character >>travels to this location at least once a year as well as other countries >>such as Korea. I think I'm going to post some wanted ads for Lorenz >>engines in these locations and see what happens. Maybe we can route >>them out. >> >>In the meantime I'd have to advise against sending him anymore >>pictures or serial numbers, just to be safe! >>Cautious in North Carolina. > > Hi Steve, Mike and Craig, > OMIGOSH !! Now you guy's have now really got me worried. What with > annual trips to the FBI & Nuenen and reports of his only collecting pics > an serial numbers of Lorenz engines.. > > Do you really think that there is a risk with the FBI being > involved - I often wondered why one of them writes his webpages - could > this all be part of a much bigger plot that you have just uncovered? > > Of particular concern to me is the fact that this same individual > has, for the last few years, been hinting at the possibility of a trip to > South Africa. He does this under the guise of needing to do some work at > our nuclear power station (which, btw, just happens to be situated very > close to one of our last untapped old iron regions) > > Do you think that I should warn our local authorities ? Help me on > this one please guys - what should I do? > > Very worried in South Africa!! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 31 12:54:01 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:54:01 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year / Calendar Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081231202539.00c36368@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys and Girls, (read right to the bottom) New Year will be in 1 1/4 hours here. I'll probably run the small Vincent since I've now got it behaving itself and it's also the closest to my workshop door. It has just started to rain here and the wind is really blowing so it will just have to be an engine that I can run indoors close to the workshop door. (Maybe the Maytag ??) (Dave and Arnie, will that be acceptable?) Once again, thanks for all the friendship shown during the last year. I love the lists, even when the dreaded "cabin fever" rears it's head! I've also been guilty of "venting" quite often (mostly on Slick) and, if I've offended anyone, I beg forgiveness. I've never intended to be obnoxious to anyone on the lists (O.K. there was that one guy :-) but I see he does not post anymore!!). Jokes aside, I enjoy each and every post and value your friendship and input. I really enjoy the friendly "banter" between members even if it is often "off topic". And, what would the lists be like if nobody posted comments about Maytags ? May 2009 bring much happiness, love, peace, old iron and anything else that you and your families would wish for. ********************** Earlier in the year (about 6 months ago) I mentioned that I would like to make a 2009 calendar for the SEL and Oldengine lists. **************** Here is a copy of that mail*********** Hi All, I'd like to publish a 2009 calendar exclusively for members of the 2 lists I belong to ie. SEL and Oldengine lists. What I visualize is the following: a) A fairly high resolution .pdf document that members could print out on their own printers. I will make it in both A4 and letter size to cater for everyone. b) This would be downloadable from my site sometime in December. c) It would be an exclusive calendar for list members ie. not a general download - I could do this with a password protected page or something like that. Of course, if members would like to send a copy to a friend that would be O.K. - I just do not want to make it something that every Tom (sorry Tom in NZ), Dick and Harry (except for Harry Matthews) can log on and download. :-) d) Of course there would be "no charge". I'd just like to do this for list members and friends. I would like you guys to send me a high resolution pic of you and your favourite, most famous, rarest, most popular or whatever engine. Of course it will be nicer if you and your better half (wife/girlfriend/lover or whatever) are included in the photo. That way we could put a face to the people we correspond with on the lists. I'd also like a location but only very vague like "Wisconsin, USA". We do not necessarily want to publish the full address. If you would include your birthday I can try to fit your pic into the appropriate month as well as mark that day as "Joe's birthday". Due to the worldwide nature of this calendar I may or may not show "Public holidays" - maybe just important International ones - let me know your thoughts. Depending on the response it would be a 12 page (1 page per month) calendar with a really good picture of a members engine or a few smaller pics of various members and their engines. The pictures would take up most of the available space on the page with the actual "calendar" taking up maybe 1/4 of the space. Please let me know your thoughts and start selecting the photograph that you would like included. Remember that I would like this to be high quality so please select good, clear, high resolution photographs. It will not look good if you or your engine is just a "big shadow". For those of you who do not have digital photo's you could post me a print and I will scan it. P.S. Maytags are welcome :-) ***************** The response was affirmative and good but I received very few pictures from list members. I know that it is a bit late right now but I have actually already got the calendar "set up" but I need more pictures. PLEASE SEND ME SOME GOOD PICTURES TO INCLUDE. I have all the pics (only about 8) originally submitted and will use them but some are low resolution or small so I may make a "collage" of these and put them all on 1 page. Also, PLEASE do not send me a link to a picture on any type of "Webshots" site. Many of these sites require me to "register" to be able to download (or save) pics and I think that this is just another ploy to get my eMail address for spamming so I refuse to give it to them. A link to any decent or legitimate site (like Oldengine.org) is fine so long as the pic is of a decent size and resolution. I would really prefer you to email the pic direct to me at the original resolution that your camera took it (ie. DO NOT reduce it for eMail). I've got broadband (albeit African style) and can handle large files. In a recent post Arnie mentioned that someone (sorry I've forgotten who) should send a pic of that nicely restored Maytag with the exhaust connected up to an "Oil dispenser or pump". I'd like a high res of that pic for inclusion if possible. Maybe I'll devote a whole page to a collage of Maytags. Hoping for a good response this time - Happy New year Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 31 13:55:29 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:55:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59242.168.215.206.73.1230760529.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> > Curt: > > You're now talkin' to a guy who's had several of the Borg Warner Overdrive > units in various cars. > > To answer your questions, when the Overdrive is locked out via the dash > cable, it acts like a regular stick shift in all ways. Agree. > > Definition of "lock-out": When the Overdrive gearbox is locked out, the > sun gear is locked to the outer ring gear by shifting the sun gear so > teeth in it engage with inside teeth in the planetary gear carrier. Agree. The sun gear is shifted aft to engage with the outer ring. Same thing happens when shifting into reverse with the front transmission. > > When the dash cable is pushed in, the transmission free-wheels in all > three gears except reverse. When the transmission is put into reverse, a > pushrod from the reverse shift fork forces the Overdrive to lock-out, > otherwise, the transmission would lock-up when you tried to reverse and > could damage the sprag clutch or planetary gearset. I'm not observing this. What I see is that the one way clutch with the 12 rollers aft of the planetary gears will not transfer reverse rotation. In order to actually get reverse rotation of the output shaft, the sun gear has to be locked to the ring gear. I'm not seeing any lock up conditions you mention. > > When the engagement solenoid is actuated, a pawl in conjunction with the > sprag (one-way) clutch causes the sun gear to be held stationary while > power from the engine is transmitted to the gear cage. Agree. When the > engagement solenoid is not actuated and the Overdrive is -not- locked out, > power is transmitted from the sun gear and the cage to the ring gear, > giving a 1:1 ratio. Agree. > > THERE IS NO FREE-WHEELING WHEN EITHER THE O/D IS LOCKED OUT OR IS NOT > LOCKED OUT AND THE SOLENOID IS ENGAGED. OK that answers one of my questions. There is not supposed to be free wheeling when the O/D solenoid is engaged. Seems counter intuitive to the fuel economics they were trying to achieve with O/D! Especially when you consider that free-wheeling only existed from 0 thru about 27 mph before the centrifugal switch pulled in. Years ago, "free-wheeling" was > touted by, I think, Chevrolet, as being an economy move. It actually was > a danger because the engine could not brake the car and, going down hills > required riding the brakes, heating them up and causing them to fade. But you had engine braking as long as you were in O/D, right? So it was only dangerous at speeds under 27 mpg with the cable pushed in, right? > > There are a couple of other things that you should understand about the > electrics of the Overdrive system. There is a governor that actuates a > relay which, in turn, powers the Overdrive solenoid. Yup, got all that working. The solenoid has two > coils inside with a set of contacts that shifts beween a high-power coil > when the plunger is in the disengaged state and a lower power coil which > holds the solenoid plunger bottomed with less current when it is engaged. Yup, got all this working too. Pulls 3 amps when engaged. > > There is also a "kick-down" button underneath the gas pedal that has a > form-c contact arrangement. The normally closed contact is in series with > the ground line to the relay coil. When you floor the accelerator, the > pedal actuates the switch and releases the solenoid by interrupting ground > to the relay coil. Yup, got all this up to snuff too. > > You will note that there is a second contact inside the governor which > goes to the second solenoid wire. Got this working as well. This contact closes a circuit to ground > when the solenoid is energized and grounds the ignition points to kill > engine power for a very short interval to release the load on the > Overdrive pawl, allowing it to retract. Once the pawl has retracted, > power is restored. > > If the system's working right, above about 30 mph (depending on the speed > at which the governor powers the relay) and with the dash cable pushed in, > the overdrive can be engaged by letting off the gas and allowing the > higher gear to engage. You can feel the shudder when the pawl engages and > then can re-apply power. > > When you need the lower (non-Overdrive) gear while cruising (and above > governed speed), simply floor the accelerator and you will then be in > "passing gear". Once you've finished passing, simply let off the gas and > let the Overdrive re-engage. > > Rule: Do NOT pull out the Overdrive dash knob while free-wheeling! Thanks for the heads up. Had not thought of this! This > will cause a very irritating and not-too healthy grind of the sun gear > with the internal gear on the gear cage. If you must lock out the > Overdrive while moving, pull the dash knob out only after flooring the > accelerator (kicking down the transmission) while power is applied. > > In conclusion, I've driven several hundred thousand miles with Overdrive > transmissions. When used properly, they are reliable and long lasting. > In fact, Overdrive extensions were used on Chevys up to the 1960's. > > Note that the Overdrive option was really nice when friends in the '50's > went to the drags with their Detroit iron. Most Overdrive cars had 4.11:1 > rear axles and could really scat in a drag race and, with the Overdrive in > the car, they were legal under stock rules. Simply lock out the O/D and > beat the competition. This Willis has a 5.33 ratio rear end. Devin better not be drag racing this vehicle! He won't stand much of a chance with a 4 cylinder making a mere 73 HP! We are simply trying to get the O/D working so we might have a chance of going more than 45 mph! > > I added a little feature in my '54 Ford. I put a switch on the dash that > allowed me to engage the O/D at a stop We've done the same with the O/D switch on the dash for now, as we are simply testing things out. We used the hole the lighter was in originally and I turned a nice brass washer to adapt an aviation style switch to the larger hole in the dash. The little switch has a green LED in the end to tell you it is on. Teen boys think that is really kewl. Actually Missy picked the switch out at the auto parts store. Would you expect any different of a EE? No one has answered the second question. I've got this transmission on my bench. With the O/D solenoid engaged, will the output shaft lock up when attempting to rotate in reverse? I think this has to be the case, because running down the road in O/D the output shaft would be overrunning the main shaft (coming out of the 3 speed transmission). When I try and reverse the output shaft, the overrun clutch locks up and prevents rotation thru the dog . Elden, thanks for the detailed explanation. I'm trying to confirm everything is as it should be before tightening all the bolts and committing paint to the assembled transmission assy. I hate to screw up fresh paint taking something back apart! Curt and pull out with an extra high set > of three speed gears (like a two speed axle). One of the things we did in > my teens was to play "low gear chicken" (for the lack of a better term). > Two cars would line up and take off in low gear. The point was not to get > somewhere first but to see who had either the engine or the nerve to go > fastest in low gear. There were more than a couple of '55 (283) Chevy > drivers that were embarrassed to be outclassed by a measly 239 Ford. That > thing would do almost 60 in low gear! :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of >> curt at rustyiron.com >> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 05:00 PM >> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; >> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. >> >> >> Off topic, but hopefully a few mechanics out >> there can confirm something >> for me. >> Working on the Willis transmissions. There is a 3 >> speed T-96 standard >> transmission with the Borg Warner 2 speed R10 >> electric operated >> transmission on the back. I've got it all back >> together and am shifting it >> and checking out the OD functions on the bench. >> With the OD solenoid activated I am seeing that >> the freewheeling action is >> disabled AND I am seeing that the output shaft >> won't rotate in the >> backward direction. Does this all sound correct? >> >> Freewheeling works with the solenoid off in all 3 >> forward gears. Since the >> OD tranny's purpose is to promote fuel economy, I >> expected freewheeling in >> the OD mode as well. Imagine my surprise. So >> that's why I'm checking to >> see if anyone knows. >> >> The lack of rolling backwards was a bit of a >> surprise too. The books all >> tell you that if the pawl hangs up and won't >> release the OD, you'll not be >> able to get the vehicle in reverse, nor will you >> be able to roll it >> backwards. With a little additional wiring, one >> could configure the >> vehicle to be self holding on steep hills for >> inexperienced clutch >> users/drivers. >> >> Thanks for any guidance anyone has. >> Curt Holland > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 31 16:16:10 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:16:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New Year / Calendar Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090101015404.00bbb5a0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, It's 2:00 am 1st January 2009 here. Just spent the last 2 hours running the "Vincent" (only about 15 minutes) and then decided that we preferred the water cooled stuff. We ran my Ruston & Hornsby PT (what an amazingly well behaved engine) for the full 2 hours - he just did not want to die. I also ran my first restoration - the Wolseley WD9 - and my daughter Jacqui ran her Wolseley WD8. They all started on the first "swing" (all have crank handles) and helped us celebrate the new year. I took video's and still pics but am too tired (or too many brandy & cokes) right now to upload them so will do so later. We decided against a Maytag - only because the above mentioned engines took all the available space (it's raining like hell here) in the workshop door opening! (Dave, Arnie - comments?) Guys, thank you to all who responded to my appeal for pics for the calendar - I got some really nice photos but please feel free to send more - it's never too late. I'll work on them tomorrow (actually later today - when I've had my "beauty sleep" and the hangover has subsided :-). HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Dec 31 16:21:39 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:21:39 -0000 Subject: [SEL] New Year Message-ID: <74D6D91ABCA84733939A2D6B8A5CC229@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Everyone, It's just turned 20 minutes past 12 here in A cold and damp Scotland , and I would like to wish you all a very happy and prosperous new year and you never know I may be able to meet some of you good people at a show somewhere this year. Cheers , Craig in Scotland From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 31 16:47:09 2008 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:47:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Year References: <74D6D91ABCA84733939A2D6B8A5CC229@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <2F5BB4374D204D2CB640D8E2AC68F2D1@REG> Just before noon here. 90+ temp and sun is hot! Some models have run to start the year. Aint bothered with the full size yet. Party time in our garden. So, better get out there and have a swim. Call by if ya feel inclined. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 11:21 AM Subject: [SEL] New Year > Hi Everyone, > > It's just turned 20 minutes past 12 here in A cold and damp > Scotland , and I would like to wish you all a very happy and prosperous > new year and you never know I may be able to meet some of you good people > at a show somewhere this year. > > Cheers , Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Dec 31 19:43:06 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:43:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Year In-Reply-To: <2F5BB4374D204D2CB640D8E2AC68F2D1@REG> References: <74D6D91ABCA84733939A2D6B8A5CC229@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <2F5BB4374D204D2CB640D8E2AC68F2D1@REG> Message-ID: <495C3BCA.206@rustic-engines.com> I fired up the Villiers mk viiic for the 'hood. It's the noisiest. :-) Lets us hope for a peaceful, calm, loving year. Prosperity would be a bonus. Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com R & M Ingold wrote: > Just before noon here. > 90+ temp and sun is hot! > Some models have run to start the year. Aint bothered with the full size > yet. > Party time in our garden. > So, better get out there and have a swim. > Call by if ya feel inclined. > Reg. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "craig morrison" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 11:21 AM > Subject: [SEL] New Year > > > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> It's just turned 20 minutes past 12 here in A cold and damp >> Scotland , and I would like to wish you all a very happy and prosperous >> new year and you never know I may be able to meet some of you good people >> at a show somewhere this year. >> >> Cheers , Craig in Scotland >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 31 21:05:14 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:05:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive. In-Reply-To: <59242.168.215.206.73.1230760529.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Curt: > > When the dash cable is pushed in, the > transmission free-wheels in all > > three gears except reverse. When the > transmission is put into reverse, a > > pushrod from the reverse shift fork forces the > Overdrive to lock-out, > > otherwise, the transmission would lock-up when > you tried to reverse and > > could damage the sprag clutch or planetary gearset. > > I'm not observing this. What I see is that the > one way clutch with the 12 > rollers aft of the planetary gears will not > transfer reverse rotation. In > order to actually get reverse rotation of the > output shaft, the sun gear > has to be locked to the ring gear. I'm not seeing > any lock up conditions > you mention. > Maybe I remember wrong. I DO know, though, that if you have the O/D manually engaged (by bypassing the solenoid and making it stay engaged) and try to roll back, it will lock. As a matter of fact, in my Perkins'd 50 Chevy, I used that little "undocumented feature" to hold the car on uphill grades like at a traffic light on a hill. What I would do would be to pull up to the stop with the O/D solenoid actuated then, after stopped just let the car roll back to -ease- it to the lockup condition. Now, with a load on it, you can turn off the solenoid and the pawl will stay engaged until you begin to release the clutch, when it will drop back into low range to make it easy to take off on the grade. I've done this thousands of times and have never had a problem but can almost guarantee expensive noises if you were rolling back with the dash cable pushed in and turned on the solenoid. AND you are absolutely right about the free-wheeling being a bit dangerous below about 30 mph. As a matter of fact, you can coast up to very high speeds with the dash cable pushed in and in gear because if, after the governor speed is reached and the solenoid pulls in, there has to be a momentary load on the O/D unit before it will be able to synchronize and engage. It's always a good idea to lock out the O/D in mountains, etc. Two reasons.......One is that with the lower ratios, engine braking will not be as strong and the second is that the free wheeling, even at lower speeds, can make for scary downhill driving. Ain't this fun??!! Happy New Year! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Dec 31 21:07:14 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:07:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Year In-Reply-To: <495C3BCA.206@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: I've posted a new New Year's photo on my web page. This year I let The Home Made Engine be the star. I cheated a bit by taking it about three hours early local time.........A bit late for the Brits and everyone east of there. Happy New Year, everybody! Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From glenn.karch at att.net Wed Dec 31 20:38:42 2008 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:38:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] New year water melon drop Message-ID: <346710.24314.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi, We have something new for News Years in southwestern Indiana.? A group has constucted some kind of floating water melon that is to drop at midnight - just 22 minutes from now.? It is the Vincennes area where lot of melons are grown. We will let you what happens. Glenn From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 21:30:35 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:30:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz In-Reply-To: <566B7767EF0446E2B70D382C9D8DB6DC@peterlowe> Message-ID: <923118.56068.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL ENGINE GUYS & GALS, LADS & LASSES, ALL OVER THE WORLD FROM Bill Young, now in Bangkok ? From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Dec 31 22:03:31 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:03:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year from Oz Message-ID: <20081231.220332.1280.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Bill. And a Happy New Year to you from the left coast where there is still almost two hours to go. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:30:35 -0800 (PST) William Young writes: > HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL ENGINE GUYS & GALS, LADS & LASSES, ALL OVER THE > WORLD FROM Bill Young, now in Bangkok > ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007