From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 1 05:12:10 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:12:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally in Oz Message-ID: <003c01c7ec91$5332a6f0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I decided to go to the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville as a spectator for the day today, Saturday. It is only a 2 hour drive from my place and not a bad drive. A lot less engines than last year but still a good show. The first day of Spring came on strong with many sunburnt heads for the first time this year. List members Patrick Livingston, Peter Woodmore, Cam Grundy & myself were in attendance, don't think I missed anyone??? plus I caught up with many collectors that I have met over the years. John Culp, have a look at the 75lb hammer and what is did to Patrick's face trying to lift it. The junk dealer who had if for sale ($500 so was it really for sale?) said it was a blank un-finished hammer and that the fitted handle would never have held the weight. A rough forging to be finished off at a later date.. I placed some photos for all to see, including some for the FATG's http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/Rusty%20Iron%20Photos/index.htm Tomorrow is Father's day here in Oz and this father is spending all day working on his new vertical 2hp R&V, Happy Father's Day to all. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Sep 2 14:49:07 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:49:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics Message-ID: <003a01c7edab$16a71e30$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Not sure if my link before got through, here are pictures of the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville this weekend gone. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/Rusty%20Iron%20Photos/index.htm Peter, Oz From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 2 16:22:27 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:22:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Charity Dinner/Auction Video In-Reply-To: <6f6025160708311506j1d0400f6p7964fe9b349bf12a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160708311506j1d0400f6p7964fe9b349bf12a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0DB25CB7-F34E-4EAC-946F-25051692DACB@alltel.net> Thank you Peter! Memories are ALWAYS better when they are put "in motion!" Dave On Aug 31, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have found an acceptable (just) quality of video using the AVI > format as suggested by Jim & Christian French today. > > The sections of video are put into one, names and items for sale have > been concealed to protect the innocent.... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cWywlanEgY > > We'll try this format on some of the engine stuff and see how good > it is. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 3 04:12:18 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:12:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally in Oz In-Reply-To: <003c01c7ec91$5332a6f0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070903111224.BROG20695.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Another great rally weekend in Oz. Some nice engines, a great location & a bunch of fantastic people and you have a pretty good weekend. I am exhausted but happy ;) I took well over 200 pictures & whn I get some I will put them up on my site. The two highlight engines for me were the Columbus (which traveled 1600km each way to be at the rally) & the big Tangye. Now it is less than two weeks until the next rally :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all I decided to go to the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville as a spectator for the day today, Saturday. It is only a 2 hour drive from my place and not a bad drive. A lot less engines than last year but still a good show. The first day of Spring came on strong with many sunburnt heads for the first time this year. List members Patrick Livingston, Peter Woodmore, Cam Grundy & myself were in attendance, don't think I missed anyone??? plus I caught up with many collectors that I have met over the years. John Culp, have a look at the 75lb hammer and what is did to Patrick's face trying to lift it. The junk dealer who had if for sale ($500 so was it really for sale?) said it was a blank un-finished hammer and that the fitted handle would never have held the weight. A rough forging to be finished off at a later date.. I placed some photos for all to see, including some for the FATG's http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/Rusty%20Iron%20Photos/in dex.htm Tomorrow is Father's day here in Oz and this father is spending all day working on his new vertical 2hp R&V, Happy Father's Day to all. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 3 04:50:10 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:50:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics Message-ID: <090320071150.21719.46DBF4F2000B805D000054D7219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Yes Peter the pics came through ok the first time and enjoyed them especially seeing Patrick trying to pickup that $500, 75lb sledge, real ball buster! thanks, Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" , "ATIS" Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:52:27 +0000 > Hi all > > Not sure if my link before got through, here are pictures of the Rusty Iron > Rally at Macksville this weekend gone. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/Rusty%20Iron%20Photos/index. > htm > > > Peter, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 3 04:53:21 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:53:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Columbus Video Message-ID: <20070903115338.ERWD5386.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I took this short video of the Columbus that was at Rusty Iron on the weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gbNn4ESWnk Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 3 04:56:26 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:56:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <090320071150.21719.46DBF4F2000B805D000054D7219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20070903115632.GSIP22867.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I was thinking of using the sledge to aid Dave on his mission to eliminate Maytags. The little buggers are starting to infest Oz, so much for quarantine ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Yes Peter the pics came through ok the first time and enjoyed them especially seeing Patrick trying to pickup that $500, 75lb sledge, real ball buster! thanks, Curt Andree From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Sep 3 06:19:27 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:19:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Columbus Video In-Reply-To: <20070903115338.ERWD5386.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20070903115338.ERWD5386.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070903091544.02fa9610@pop3.wcoil.com> I had no idea that a Columus had made its way down under, Thats a small one too. Mark At 07:53 AM 9/3/07, you wrote: >I took this short video of the Columbus that was at Rusty Iron on the >weekend: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gbNn4ESWnk > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 3 13:53:44 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 06:53:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Columbus Video In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070903091544.02fa9610@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20070903205354.HGKK11359.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> HI Mark, There are not a great number of Columbus engines here but a few are around, including a some of the verticals. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I had no idea that a Columus had made its way down under, Thats a small one too. Mark From jbcast at charter.net Mon Sep 3 18:21:31 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:21:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] help, Algonquin, IL, In-Reply-To: <20070903205354.HGKK11359.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20070903212131.LUHBX.113016.root@mp20> Anyone on the list near Algonquin, IL? I need an engine picked up, strapped to a pallet and dropped off at a loading dock. About 200lbs. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jtstraka at adelphia.net Mon Sep 3 19:30:36 2007 From: jtstraka at adelphia.net (jtstraka at adelphia.net) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:30:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] muffler Message-ID: <7236063.1188873036790.JavaMail.root@web34> Does anyone have pictures ,dimensions ,for a muffler on a 6hp Christensen Type F .I need to make one or find one. Thank you -Ted From jtstraka at adelphia.net Mon Sep 3 19:31:12 2007 From: jtstraka at adelphia.net (jtstraka at adelphia.net) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:31:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] muffler Message-ID: <1202506.1188873072129.JavaMail.root@web34> Does anyone have pictures ,dimensions ,for a muffler on a 6hp Christensen Type F .I need to make one or find one. Thank you -Ted From dleis at centurytel.net Wed Sep 5 17:20:02 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:20:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION Message-ID: <000501c7f01b$abccd6e0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi List I found this auction and i thought some of you might be interested in it. Stacy :-) http://www.clintsauction.com/sept22.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Sep 5 17:51:38 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:51:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION References: <000501c7f01b$abccd6e0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <000501c7f020$14ef8650$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Also more auctions here: http://nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/agmuseum_listing/ http://nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/kaczmarek_listing/ Peter, Oz > Hi List > > I found this auction and i thought some of you might be interested > in it. > Stacy :-) > > http://www.clintsauction.com/sept22.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Sep 5 18:22:26 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:22:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION In-Reply-To: <000501c7f01b$abccd6e0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <000501c7f01b$abccd6e0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <46DF5652.6070308@scrtc.com> Darn Stacy, that looks a lot like my place! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Stacy Leis wrote: >Hi List > > I found this auction and i thought some of you might be interested in it. > Stacy :-) > >http://www.clintsauction.com/sept22.html >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From clemsweller at etczone.com Thu Sep 6 03:39:58 2007 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 06:39:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION In-Reply-To: <46DF5652.6070308@scrtc.com> References: <000501c7f01b$abccd6e0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <46DF5652.6070308@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000001c7f072$456a2270$d03e6750$@com> So, as I count, there are 26 or so of the engines that are labeled as "Free"! Who can I send my shipping address to? I'll take em all! Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION Darn Stacy, that looks a lot like my place! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Stacy Leis wrote: >Hi List > > I found this auction and i thought some of you might be interested in it. > Stacy :-) > >http://www.clintsauction.com/sept22.html >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 10:36 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 10:36 PM From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Sep 6 05:45:22 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:45:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... Message-ID: <46DFF662.9040702@steamengine.com.au> Hi everyone, I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the engines I don't even care about the shed. Regards Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 6 06:09:57 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:09:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <46DFF662.9040702@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002401c7f087$394346b0$0601a8c0@altech> Hey Paul We want photos mate !!!!!!!!!! Peter, Oz > Hi everyone, > I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it > resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was > dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the > intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are > stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that > someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine > flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the > engines I don't even care about the shed. > > Regards > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Sep 6 06:49:20 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:49:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46DFF662.9040702@steamengine.com.au> References: <46DFF662.9040702@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070906093924.0307b9f0@pop3.wcoil.com> Thats one tall frickin tree, Thats about 262 foot tall if I converted correctly. And over 8 foot diameter trunk. Gonna lumber the trunk out? That had to make one whale of a thump when it hit. The engines wouldn't have just been broken they would have been pulverized and driven into the ground. There'd a been nothing to do but level the crater with fresh earth and build a new shed. Mark PS: YES Pictures please. At 08:45 AM 9/6/07, you wrote: >Hi everyone, >I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it >resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was >dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the >intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are >stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that >someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine >flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the >engines I don't even care about the shed. > >Regards >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 10:10:34 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <002401c7f087$394346b0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Me Too !!!! Pictures Please !!! Lumber or a year's supply of firewood? Here is a thought,,,, Document this with dated pictures and then have some cut up and use the lumber to make engine carts. By missing the engines even though it seemed to be attracted to them maybe that tree is telling you it wants to be closer to your engines ?????? Alan Bowen Peter Lowe wrote: Hey Paul We want photos mate !!!!!!!!!! Peter, Oz > Hi everyone, > I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it > resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was > dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the > intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are > stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that > someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine > flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the > engines I don't even care about the shed. > > Regards > Paul --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 6 12:10:19 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:10:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> Alan Bowen wrote: > Me Too !!!! Pictures Please !!! > > Lumber or a year's supply of firewood? > Firewood? Hell Alan it never gets below a 100 in Oz in the dead of winter :-) We were on the southern most tip of South Australia in the dead of winter and it was a 104. Perhaps Paul can build a firewood burning absorption air conditioning system. The whole lot of 'em would freeze to death if they had to spend a winter in your state! Curt P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out of a Eucalyptus tree? From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 12:39:00 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <450785.44019.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Now Curt,,,, While we were having our summer many times I have read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is too cold to work in their engine sheds. Were you there in our winter time or theirs? Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Curt wrote: Alan Bowen wrote: > Me Too !!!! Pictures Please !!! > > Lumber or a year's supply of firewood? > Firewood? Hell Alan it never gets below a 100 in Oz in the dead of winter :-) We were on the southern most tip of South Australia in the dead of winter and it was a 104. Perhaps Paul can build a firewood burning absorption air conditioning system. The whole lot of 'em would freeze to death if they had to spend a winter in your state! Curt P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out of a Eucalyptus tree? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 6 13:17:28 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:17:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <450785.44019.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <450785.44019.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46E06058.4080102@imc-group.com> Alan, Actually it was March. That would be their fall, so I fibbed a little about it being the dead of winter. But being that we were so far south and the time of year made the heat a total surprise. Hard to imagine how hot north Oz would be! It's all about perspective when hearing their whining. Kerry complains about the unbearable frigid cold weather when there is a tad of frost on a corner of his windshield in the morning. Like I said they'd never make it thru a winter in your part of the woods. Bunch of pansies...... :-) Curt Alan Bowen wrote: > Now Curt,,,, > While we were having our summer many times I have read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is too cold to work in their engine sheds. > Were you there in our winter time or theirs? > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 13:21:16 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:21:16 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <858881.64234.qm@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Curt > P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out > of a Eucalyptus tree? Curt short answer distilling of the leaves, as a boy I seen one near here, I believe most oil now is imported (for trees originally exported). Kerry Lithgow Oz Oil distillation The eucalyptus oil distilleries of Central Victoria are basically the same and each has the following components: steam supply, distilling vat(s), connecting piping, a condenser, and an oil-collecting vessel. In most of the stills the distilling equipment is antiquated and no updating of this equipment is evident. At the distillery, the vat containing the harvested leaf is positioned Underneath a removable flat lid which can be lifted completely clear of the mobile vat for ease in loading and unloading the leaf material. Three evenly-spaced pipes, running longitudinally along the floor of the vat, allow steam to be fed through a flexible steam line at the bottom of the vat. The steam line is fed by a spent-leaf fired external boiler. The lid is lowered on to the vat and tightly secured using locking clamps, and steam is injected. One charge consists of approximately 8 tonnes of green, uncompressed leaves. Distillation begins when the vat is full of leaves and the steam then passes through the charge and the oil is vaporised. The vat has a drain at the bottom which allows for the removal of the residual black liquor which consists mainly of tannins. There are three outlets for the vapour and these are connected to one central duct in the centre of the lid, allowing for the discharge of the oil/water vapours during distillation. The condenser consists of a length of pipe running from the vat to a pond. The condensate is cooled and the condensed liquid flows into the oil collection vessel. The oil collection vessel is the device for collecting the condensed distillate and allows the separation of the oil from the water. This consists of an open drum partly embedded in the ground. Since the oil is largely insoluble in water, it separates and is scooped off the surface. The distillation process Usually takes 3-4 hours and a typical distillery can distill three vat loads per day. The oil is then put into 44-gallon drums and sold in crude form for approximately US$3 per kilo (Paul Foreman, pers. comm., 1994). No further processing of the oil is undertaken on site. Further refining of the oil is done in Melbourne. This is done by rectification. Rectification is a more controlled distillation process which is used either to upgrade the oil or to isolate the major components of the oil. The chemicals are then used as precursors for chemical reactions or may be used as discrete aroma chemicals. For cineole-rich eucalyptus oil, rectification is employed to increase its market acceptance. Cineole can also be isolated by rectification and this is more expensive than basic oil and it is mainly used in high quality products (Boland et al., 1991). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 13:26:47 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:26:47 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <450785.44019.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500708.47060.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Alan Some Aussies are soft cocks, I live in about the coldest of any list member and work in the shed on engines just about every night during winter, with work only way to get restoration done Kerry Lithgow NSW > Now Curt,,,, > While we were having our summer many times I have > read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is > too cold to work in their engine sheds. > Were you there in our winter time or theirs? > > Alan Bowen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Sep 6 13:25:53 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:25:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906221219.00b15990@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 06/09/2007, you wrote: >From: "Stacy Leis" >Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION > >Hi List > I found this auction and i thought some of you might be interested > in it. > Stacy :-) >http://www.clintsauction.com/sept22.html Wow, You guys Stateside sure have things good, I've never seen so many engines for sale in one place. Even a few pallets full of lonely little Maytags ! Can anyone please tell me what this rad cooled engine is: I reckon that if I went to an auction like this my bank manager would want to kill me the next day !! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 13:36:54 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:36:54 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46E06058.4080102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <741058.61693.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Curt Not much different complaining about heat or cold its all about what you are used to, went to Darwin (top of Oz in mid winter, I was in shorts and Tee shirts as it was like our summer, all the locals were wearing jackets and saying how cool it was, as you say It's all about perspective Why would anyone live where temperatures got below freezing --- Curt wrote: > Alan, > Actually it was March. That would be their fall, so > I fibbed a little > about it being the dead of winter. But being that we > were so far south > and the time of year made the heat a total surprise. > Hard to imagine how > hot north Oz would be! > It's all about perspective when hearing their > whining. Kerry complains > about the unbearable frigid cold weather when there > is a tad of frost on > a corner of his windshield in the morning. Like I > said they'd never make > it thru a winter in your part of the woods. Bunch > of pansies...... :-) > Curt > > > > Alan Bowen wrote: > > Now Curt,,,, > > While we were having our summer many times I have > read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is > too cold to work in their engine sheds. > > Were you there in our winter time or theirs? > > > > Alan Bowen > > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Sep 6 13:47:41 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:47:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <500708.47060.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006c01c7f0c7$2bf2d080$4983fb40@HP28276676518> Kerry, What would be a normal low temp for your winter? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > G'Day Alan > Some Aussies are soft cocks, I live in about the > coldest of any list member and work in the shed on > engines just about every night during winter, with > work only way to get restoration done > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW > > >> Now Curt,,,, >> While we were having our summer many times I have >> read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is >> too cold to work in their engine sheds. >> Were you there in our winter time or theirs? >> >> Alan Bowen > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Need a vacation? Get great deals > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > http://travel.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 > 8:36 AM > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 6 13:51:04 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:51:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906221219.00b15990@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <005101c7f0c7$a465ed90$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Why thats a Fairbanks Morse Zeeeee very common post war fodder . Can anyone please tell me what this rad cooled engine is: > > > > I reckon that if I went to an auction like this my bank manager > would want to kill me the next day !! > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 6 14:16:35 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:16:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <46DFF662.9040702@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <04eb01c7f0cb$390366a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Where are the pics?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > Hi everyone, > I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it > resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was > dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the > intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are > stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that > someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine > flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the > engines I don't even care about the shed. > > Regards > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Sep 6 14:33:55 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:33:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> References: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070907073038.01a989f0@ncable.com.au> >HUH! you yanks know more about pumpn oil than anybody and now you >want to know how to suck our oil system dry as well! Paul dont them >any pictures of the tree well pump! Russell > >(P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out of a Eucalyptus tree?) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From twoferals at yahoo.com.au Thu Sep 6 12:46:36 2007 From: twoferals at yahoo.com.au (twoferals) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:46:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> References: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <46E0591C.9020806@yahoo.com.au> Curt wrote: >Alan Bowen wrote: > > >>Me Too !!!! Pictures Please !!! >> >>Lumber or a year's supply of firewood? >> >> >> >Firewood? Hell Alan it never gets below a 100 in Oz in the dead of >winter :-) >We were on the southern most tip of South Australia in the dead of >winter and it was a 104. >Perhaps Paul can build a firewood burning absorption air conditioning >system. >The whole lot of 'em would freeze to death if they had to spend a winter >in your state! >Curt >P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out of a Eucalyptus tree? >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > I must be living in the wrong Australia. ;-) It's currently -2C. You don't mean Austria do you Curt? Oh, and hug a Koala, instant eucalyptus oil. Buzzy Al From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Thu Sep 6 14:37:25 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:37:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Recent trip over the pond Message-ID: <000a01c7f0ce$1eb33a20$bf9de150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi all , I just returned home last night from my jaunt accross the pond, and would like to thank all those of you that I met for your good company and hospitality that I recieve. I am not going to name names as I will be sure to miss someone . But again I would like to say that it sure was good meeting you all and putting a face to the name, and Curt that sure is agood picture of a neat looking air cooled waterloo boy and tom thumb in the next picture. Thanks Craig in Scotland P.S, who knows where or when we'll meet again. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 6 15:07:27 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:07:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <500708.47060.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <500708.47060.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sep 6, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Kerry Morris wrote: > Most Aussies are soft cocks, Hi Kerry, That explains why your sheilas are usually eager to cuddle up with a red-blooded Yank bloke. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 15:13:20 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46E0591C.9020806@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <804678.74373.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's what I am wondering, Buzzy Al, Does it ever get cold there? I just did a conversion of your -2 C. That's just 28 F. In our winter if it hits 28F we figure Spring is here and it's time to got rototill the garden,,,,, 8>)) Actually the last few winters have been rather light. It only got down to -14 F. That's -26 C for you. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan twoferals wrote: I must be living in the wrong Australia. ;-) It's currently -2C. You don't mean Austria do you Curt? Oh, and hug a Koala, instant eucalyptus oil. Buzzy Al --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Sep 6 15:21:10 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (ozengine at optusnet.com.au) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:21:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... Message-ID: <200709062221.l86MLAFp025131@mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 6 15:27:13 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:27:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <052d01c7f0d5$13c079f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I like your logic!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > Me Too !!!! Pictures Please !!! > > Lumber or a year's supply of firewood? > > Here is a thought,,,, > Document this with dated pictures and then have some cut up and use the > lumber to make engine carts. > > By missing the engines even though it seemed to be attracted to them maybe > that tree is telling you it wants to be closer to your engines ?????? > > Alan Bowen > > Peter Lowe wrote: Hey Paul > We want photos mate !!!!!!!!!! > > Peter, Oz > > > >> Hi everyone, >> I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it >> resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was >> dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the >> intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are >> stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that >> someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine >> flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the >> engines I don't even care about the shed. >> >> Regards >> Paul > > > --------------------------------- > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's > on, when. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From twoferals at yahoo.com.au Thu Sep 6 12:55:33 2007 From: twoferals at yahoo.com.au (twoferals) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:55:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <450785.44019.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <450785.44019.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46E05B35.9080301@yahoo.com.au> Curt's having a seniors moment Alan. He'll be OK when his meds cut in. :-P Winter on any of SA's peninsulas is like being in Antarctica. Buzzy Al Alan Bowen wrote: >Now Curt,,,, >While we were having our summer many times I have read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is too cold to work in their engine sheds. >Were you there in our winter time or theirs? > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > >Curt wrote: Alan Bowen wrote: > > >>Me Too !!!! Pictures Please !!! >> >>Lumber or a year's supply of firewood? >> >> >> >Firewood? Hell Alan it never gets below a 100 in Oz in the dead of >winter :-) >We were on the southern most tip of South Australia in the dead of >winter and it was a 104. >Perhaps Paul can build a firewood burning absorption air conditioning >system. >The whole lot of 'em would freeze to death if they had to spend a winter >in your state! >Curt >P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out of a Eucalyptus tree? >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 6 15:40:58 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:40:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Recent trip over the pond References: <000a01c7f0ce$1eb33a20$bf9de150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <004c01c7f0d7$c529e300$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ah, Craig, once Portland gets into yer blood, thera aint no hope for ya. Its a real addiction! Roll on 08! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: [SEL] Recent trip over the pond > Hi all , > I just returned home last night from my jaunt accross the pond, > and would like to thank all those of you that I met for your good company > and hospitality that I recieve. I am not going to name names as I will be > sure to miss someone . But again I would like to say that it sure was good > meeting you all and putting a face to the name, and Curt that sure is > agood picture of a neat looking air cooled waterloo boy and tom thumb in > the next picture. > > Thanks Craig in Scotland > > P.S, who knows where or when we'll meet again. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 6 15:35:24 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:35:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004b01c7f0d7$c4d1b0e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> > P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out of a Eucalyptus tree? Ya squeeze em! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Sep 6 16:24:19 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:24:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <200709062221.l86MLAFp025131@mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <006301c7f0dd$0cff3900$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> About the same in Canberra. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > G'Day Gary > > ONLY about -5 C (22 F) if we get a GOOD frost but then have a nice day. > normal COLD winter day about 10 C (50 F) and may get an inch of snow for a few hours each year. > Real hard to take for most Aussies > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > > > Gary Epps wrote: > > > > Kerry, > > > > What would be a normal low temp for your winter? > > > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kerry Morris" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > > > > > > > G'Day Alan > > > Some Aussies are soft cocks, I live in about the > > > coldest of any list member and work in the shed on > > > engines just about every night during winter, with > > > work only way to get restoration done > > > > > > Kerry > > > Lithgow NSW > > > > > > > > >> Now Curt,,,, > > >> While we were having our summer many times I have > > >> read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is > > >> too cold to work in their engine sheds. > > >> Were you there in our winter time or theirs? > > >> > > >> Alan Bowen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > ___________ > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals > > > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > > http://travel.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: > > 9/6/2007 > > > 8:36 AM > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Sep 6 16:37:56 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:37:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <200709062221.l86MLAFp025131@mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <009e01c7f0de$f46c6960$4983fb40@HP28276676518> I wouldn't have to worry about frozen water pipes in the shop unless it stayed 22* for a couple of weeks. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > G'Day Gary > > ONLY about -5 C (22 F) if we get a GOOD frost but then have a nice day. > normal COLD winter day about 10 C (50 F) and may get an inch of snow for a > few hours each year. > Real hard to take for most Aussies > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > >> Gary Epps wrote: >> >> Kerry, >> >> What would be a normal low temp for your winter? >> >> Gary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerry Morris" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... >> >> >> > G'Day Alan >> > Some Aussies are soft cocks, I live in about the >> > coldest of any list member and work in the shed on >> > engines just about every night during winter, with >> > work only way to get restoration done >> > >> > Kerry >> > Lithgow NSW >> > >> > >> >> Now Curt,,,, >> >> While we were having our summer many times I have >> >> read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is >> >> too cold to work in their engine sheds. >> >> Were you there in our winter time or theirs? >> >> >> >> Alan Bowen >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> ___________ >> > Need a vacation? Get great deals >> > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. >> > http://travel.yahoo.com/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: >> 9/6/2007 >> > 8:36 AM >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 > 8:36 AM > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Sep 6 16:56:41 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:56:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, We had our annual show this last weekend and my camera broke !! I'm trying to get pics from other guys and will put them up as soon as I can. We, in South Africa, do not have as many engines as you guys overseas and our shows are much smaller but we managed to get over 300 engines this time which makes it the biggest show in South Africa - ( What the hell - make that "Africa" :-)). The first show that I attended at this club ( I was not a member yet - this is when I got afflicted with this old iron sickness) was in mid 2004. They had about 40 engines on display so the news is good. The hobby is alive and thriving in South Africa. 3 years later - over 300 engines! I can only imagine what your overseas shows are like with so many more engines running. The great news is that my Maytag stole the show !! (Sorry Dave). It ran beautifully and the temporary (which may become permanent) muffler I made for it blew smoke (and "smoke rings" when the breeze was still) all day (for 2 days). It started first time every time (much to my amazement) and really did itself proud. I ran it on a 20:1 mix with modern 2 stroke oil but will later experiment with other ratios until I get the smoke "just right". It was great - there was this little Maytag, nestled amongst many more illustrious machines but the smoke and noise he generated assured him of much attention. Spectators "Ooohed and Aaaghed" over him. Questions abounded and ranged from "What the F--- is that?" to "It's beautiful, where did you get it?" and (this one is just for Dave Rotigel) "Why is it belted to that electric motor ?" (Just joking). A few problems I encountered (input welcome): 1) He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a litre of fuel. Is this normal ? I think it is quite heavy considering that he is not pulling a load 2) It was a hot day (30 deg. Centigrade) and he was standing in the full sun. After he ran out of fuel I did battle a bit to start him. ( This does not happen at lower ambient temperatures). The problem was solved by putting him in a shady spot for about 1/2 an hour to cool down and then he started 1st kick and ran fine again. 3) The little brute is so small and close to the ground that he got dirty very quickly - all those other jealous big engines blew dust and dirt all over him. Of course the oily smoke cloud that he generated around himself caused this all to stick to him. (I do not need answers to this one :-)) I've added a few pictures to my Maytag page showing his new skids, decals and muffler. Look here if you're interested: The new pics are at the bottom of the page. I'll be looking for a Maytag Twin to display with him in the near future so if anyone has one for sale at a reasonable price please contact me off list. The brief is simple: a) It has to be complete and restorable. I don't want to get an engine and then spend a fortune on getting spares from the States. b) The price has to be affordable to me considering that postage to South Africa almost doubles my cost. Thanks for reading. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 6 17:20:50 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:20:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <00d001c7f0e4$f2b18b40$240110ac@FAMILY> Nice pictures Jerry (of you and the engine) Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > Hi Guys, > We had our annual show this last weekend and my camera broke !! > I'm trying to get pics from other guys and will put them up as soon as I > can. > > We, in South Africa, do not have as many engines as you guys > overseas and our shows are much smaller but we managed to get over 300 > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 6 17:50:44 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:50:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, Your MOTOR looks LIKE NEW!!!!! I'm glad that it's a "hit" in SA-- that's one more of the little bastards that can't smoke up the USA! I think that Rob Skinner uses 50 to 1 (synthetic) in his model of FRED'S MISTAKE--but you should check with him before you try it. (I use 4,000 to 1 in most of mine, but I probably have a different goal in mind that do you!) You may want to keep your computer open to the X-mas Charity auction again this year. There just may be a TWIN that will be put up. I will need to check out a few things before I can be sure, but keep tuned! Dave PS, Glad that the canned smoke and the mirror are working well! On Sep 6, 2007, at 7:56 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys, > We had our annual show this last weekend and my camera > broke !! > I'm trying to get pics from other guys and will put them up as soon > as I can. > > We, in South Africa, do not have as many engines as you guys > overseas and our shows are much smaller but we managed to get over 300 > engines this time which makes it the biggest show in South Africa - > ( What > the hell - make that "Africa" :-)). > > The first show that I attended at this club ( I was not a > member > yet - this is when I got afflicted with this old iron sickness) was > in mid > 2004. They had about 40 engines on display so the news is good. The > hobby > is alive and thriving in South Africa. 3 years later - over 300 > engines! > > I can only imagine what your overseas shows are like with > so many > more engines running. > > The great news is that my Maytag stole the show !! (Sorry > Dave). > It ran beautifully and the temporary (which may become permanent) > muffler I > made for it blew smoke (and "smoke rings" when the breeze was > still) all > day (for 2 days). It started first time every time (much to my > amazement) > and really did itself proud. I ran it on a 20:1 mix with modern 2 > stroke > oil but will later experiment with other ratios until I get the smoke > "just right". > > It was great - there was this little Maytag, nestled > amongst many > more illustrious machines but the smoke and noise he generated > assured him > of much attention. Spectators "Ooohed and Aaaghed" over him. Questions > abounded and ranged from "What the F--- is that?" to "It's > beautiful, where > did you get it?" and (this one is just for Dave Rotigel) "Why is it > belted > to that electric motor ?" (Just joking). > > A few problems I encountered (input welcome): > 1) He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a litre of fuel. Is this > normal ? I think it is quite heavy considering that he is not > pulling a load > 2) It was a hot day (30 deg. Centigrade) and he was > standing in > the full sun. After he ran out of fuel I did battle a bit to start > him. ( > This does not happen at lower ambient temperatures). The problem > was solved > by putting him in a shady spot for about 1/2 an hour to cool down > and then > he started 1st kick and ran fine again. > 3) The little brute is so small and close to the ground > that he > got dirty very quickly - all those other jealous big engines blew > dust and > dirt all over him. Of course the oily smoke cloud that he generated > around > himself caused this all to stick to him. (I do not need answers to > this one > :-)) > > I've added a few pictures to my Maytag page showing his > new skids, > decals and muffler. Look here if you're interested: > > > > The new pics are at the bottom of the page. > > I'll be looking for a Maytag Twin to display with him in > the near > future so if anyone has one for sale at a reasonable price please > contact > me off list. The brief is simple: > a) It has to be complete and restorable. I don't want to > get an > engine and then spend a fortune on getting spares from the States. > b) The price has to be affordable to me considering that > postage > to South Africa almost doubles my cost. > Thanks for reading. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 18:10:44 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070907015648.00b1e2b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <329570.28014.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry, Welcome to the ranks of many Maytag single owners. Details on this statement please? "He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a liter of fuel. Is this normal ? " Are you saying the tank holds a liter of fuel? I fill the tank on mine and I can almost set my watch by it. Two hours later it wants fuel. I would like to hear your engine run and compare it with mine. Yours may be running faster than mine. Think about what is happening. The engine HITS, Then it turns over four to six more times and every time it doesn't hit it is still pumping fuel through it. That engine will waste way more fuel than it will burn. BTW, When you get your Twin,,,, You will like it. Ten hours on a tank of fuel. Can you buy 30wt non-detergent oil there in S.A. ? 16 to 1 is right. Keep plenty oil on those bronze bushings. Doesn't oil build up in the bottom of that muffler you made? Are you going to complete that engine by adding the other plate above the carb, a kill rod and a piece of metal for the kill rod to pull against the plug? http://www.rake60.com/Maytag%2092M%20Oil%20Decal.jpg http://www.rake60.com/Maytag%2092M%20Top%20Decal.jpg A few years ago (2004, I think) I went to a small show just for one day. My shop was a mess and I looked at the engines I wanted to take and apologized to them. Then I grabbed my favorite Maytag single and the closest twin. That was my display. I was amazed at how well those two running Maytags went over. >From groups of Teens to Old Geezers Other Maytags owned by folks that didn't seem to know how to make them run were just sitting there being ignored. I got a lot of nice comments. I made it a game with folks to see how long that twin would last on a tank of fuel One group was there talking to me when the single ran out of fuel. I looked at my watch and said,"Yup, Right on time." I filled it up and gave it one kick and it was running. I told the folks to come back in two hours and don't be late if you want to see me fuel that Maytag up again. They asked when the twin would need fuel. I told them that was the same tank of gas it started with and I just put the second one in the single. Lots of folks kept coming back every two hours and asking if that twin was still on it's first tank of fuel. Well,,, I guess I was there ten hours. It was evening when that twin finally quit and several people were there and commented how much more efficient that twin was. Just then the single quit. It had gone through five tanks of gas to the singles one. BTW, That day was at least 90 F, or 32 C and it made no difference to my single. I remember how hot it was,,, I didn't take my canopy, just two little engines, a chair and a can of fuel. NEVER AGAIN !!!! Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Jerry Evans wrote: Hi Guys, We had our annual show this last weekend and my camera broke !! I'm trying to get pics from other guys and will put them up as soon as I can. We, in South Africa, do not have as many engines as you guys overseas and our shows are much smaller but we managed to get over 300 engines this time which makes it the biggest show in South Africa - ( What the hell - make that "Africa" :-)). The first show that I attended at this club ( I was not a member yet - this is when I got afflicted with this old iron sickness) was in mid 2004. They had about 40 engines on display so the news is good. The hobby is alive and thriving in South Africa. 3 years later - over 300 engines! I can only imagine what your overseas shows are like with so many more engines running. The great news is that my Maytag stole the show !! (Sorry Dave). It ran beautifully and the temporary (which may become permanent) muffler I made for it blew smoke (and "smoke rings" when the breeze was still) all day (for 2 days). It started first time every time (much to my amazement) and really did itself proud. I ran it on a 20:1 mix with modern 2 stroke oil but will later experiment with other ratios until I get the smoke "just right". It was great - there was this little Maytag, nestled amongst many more illustrious machines but the smoke and noise he generated assured him of much attention. Spectators "Ooohed and Aaaghed" over him. Questions abounded and ranged from "What the F--- is that?" to "It's beautiful, where did you get it?" and (this one is just for Dave Rotigel) "Why is it belted to that electric motor ?" (Just joking). A few problems I encountered (input welcome): 1) He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a liter of fuel. Is this normal ? I think it is quite heavy considering that he is not pulling a load 2) It was a hot day (30 deg. Centigrade) and he was standing in the full sun. After he ran out of fuel I did battle a bit to start him. ( This does not happen at lower ambient temperatures). The problem was solved by putting him in a shady spot for about 1/2 an hour to cool down and then he started 1st kick and ran fine again. 3) The little brute is so small and close to the ground that he got dirty very quickly - all those other jealous big engines blew dust and dirt all over him. Of course the oily smoke cloud that he generated around himself caused this all to stick to him. (I do not need answers to this one :-)) I've added a few pictures to my Maytag page showing his new skids, decals and muffler. Look here if you're interested: The new pics are at the bottom of the page. I'll be looking for a Maytag Twin to display with him in the near future so if anyone has one for sale at a reasonable price please contact me off list. The brief is simple: a) It has to be complete and restorable. I don't want to get an engine and then spend a fortune on getting spares from the States. b) The price has to be affordable to me considering that postage to South Africa almost doubles my cost. Thanks for reading. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Sep 6 20:35:10 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:35:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070906225802.0307ae20@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Jerry, Congrats on a successfull first outing for the Maytag. The Maytag invasion of the African continent can begin. GRINNN. Alans got it right. Lots of wasted fuel out the exhaust between hits. 20 -1 is probably just fine since its running no load. But stick to the two cycle lubes. In the long run theres less carbon build up and deposits. Other oils lube probably just as well but in the long term deposits show the problem. Mind ya now as seldom as they get run in retirement you'll be a long time seeing the deposits from say 30W oils but it will eventually build up. If you can easily get marine or outboard two cycle oils they seem to work the best and are not much more $$ then the less suitable lubes. Smoke is just a part of life with a tag. That restart problem might be from a coil that gets weak as it heats up. Expansion from heat in the windings allows for some leakage thru the insulation inside the windings. After it cools some and things settle down a bit it fires right back up. 30C is not that hot for a Tag. When you run it next time stop it about half way thru a tank full and then try to restart. If its hard to start than a weak coil may be the thing. A condenser might also be some of the problem. Hell theres a couple other little things that can cause that too. You just have to start chasing possabilities. Unless you have the proper test equipment to check coils. Some coils that have this problem in a more severe form will cause the engine to quit on its own and not restart till its cooled down. Make sure the points are really clean. You mentioned it was really dusty around. Some dust could be getting between the points and causing some connection problems. This will weaken the spark too. If you do get a twin make sure the seller guarantees the coil and crankshaft to be good. These are MAJOR expensive and highly problematic parts of a twin. And available good twin coils are nearly non existant. TTYL, Mark > The great news is that my Maytag stole the show !! (Sorry Dave). >It ran beautifully and the temporary (which may become permanent) muffler I >made for it blew smoke (and "smoke rings" when the breeze was still) all >day (for 2 days). It started first time every time (much to my amazement) >and really did itself proud. I ran it on a 20:1 mix with modern 2 stroke >oil but will later experiment with other ratios until I get the smoke >"just right". > > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Sep 7 00:16:23 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:16:23 +1200 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46DFF662.9040702@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Paul sounds a good time to buy a lotto ticket and a new shed i would say that was fortunate indeed.. brentnz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul Pavlinovich Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... Hi everyone, I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the engines I don't even care about the shed. Regards Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 7 01:51:35 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:51:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <858881.64234.qm@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c7f12c$4bcd0190$0601a8c0@altech> Eucalyptus oil is the best product for removing the sticky gum left behind from price tags and other glue backed lables. http://www.helium.com/tm/378182/eucalyptus-cheap-quick-those 101 uses http://www.ausimports.com/eucoil.htm Peter, Oz > Kerry Lithgow Oz > > > Oil distillation > > The eucalyptus oil distilleries of Central Victoria > are basically the same and each has the following > components: steam supply, distilling vat(s), > connecting piping, a condenser, and an oil-collecting > vessel. In most of the stills the distilling equipment > is antiquated and no updating of this equipment is > evident. > > At the distillery, the vat containing the harvested > leaf is positioned Underneath a removable flat lid > which can be lifted completely clear of the mobile vat > for ease in loading and unloading the leaf material. > > Three evenly-spaced pipes, running longitudinally > along the floor of the vat, allow steam to be fed > through a flexible steam line at the bottom of the > vat. The steam line is fed by a spent-leaf fired > external boiler. The lid is lowered on to the vat and > tightly secured using locking clamps, and steam is > injected. One charge consists of approximately 8 > tonnes of green, uncompressed leaves. Distillation > begins when the vat is full of leaves and the steam > then passes through the charge and the oil is > vaporised. The vat has a drain at the bottom which > allows for the removal of the residual black liquor > which consists mainly of tannins. > > There are three outlets for the vapour and these are > connected to one central duct in the centre of the > lid, allowing for the discharge of the oil/water > vapours during distillation. The condenser consists of > a length of pipe running from the vat to a pond. The > condensate is cooled and the condensed liquid flows > into the oil collection vessel. > > The oil collection vessel is the device for collecting > the condensed distillate and allows the separation of > the oil from the water. This consists of an open drum > partly embedded in the ground. Since the oil is > largely insoluble in water, it separates and is > scooped off the surface. The distillation process > Usually takes 3-4 hours and a typical distillery can > distill three vat loads per day. The oil is then put > into 44-gallon drums and sold in crude form for > approximately US$3 per kilo (Paul Foreman, pers. > comm., 1994). No further processing of the oil is > undertaken on site. > > Further refining of the oil is done in Melbourne. This > is done by rectification. Rectification is a more > controlled distillation process which is used either > to upgrade the oil or to isolate the major components > of the oil. The chemicals are then used as precursors > for chemical reactions or may be used as discrete > aroma chemicals. For cineole-rich eucalyptus oil, > rectification is employed to increase its market > acceptance. Cineole can also be isolated by > rectification and this is more expensive than basic > oil and it is mainly used in high quality products > (Boland et al., 1991). > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From astfgl at iamnota.org Fri Sep 7 03:30:34 2007 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:30:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <200709062221.l86MLAFp025131@mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200709062221.l86MLAFp025131@mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <46E1284A.6030208@iamnota.org> 10C was the minimum here this year! Here's a link to the BOM site with historical rainfall and temperature graphs for all over Australia. Click on a state, then narrow it down to the field office location. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/forms/map_forms/imagemap.shtml Cheers, glen Townsville, Qld. ozengine at optusnet.com.au wrote: > G'Day Gary > > ONLY about -5 C (22 F) if we get a GOOD frost but then have a nice day. > normal COLD winter day about 10 C (50 F) and may get an inch of snow for a few hours each year. > Real hard to take for most Aussies > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > >> Gary Epps wrote: >> >> Kerry, >> >> What would be a normal low temp for your winter? >> >> Gary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerry Morris" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... >> >> >>> G'Day Alan >>> Some Aussies are soft cocks, I live in about the >>> coldest of any list member and work in the shed on >>> engines just about every night during winter, with >>> work only way to get restoration done >>> >>> Kerry >>> Lithgow NSW >>> >>> >>>> Now Curt,,,, >>>> While we were having our summer many times I have >>>> read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is >>>> too cold to work in their engine sheds. >>>> Were you there in our winter time or theirs? >>>> >>>> Alan Bowen >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> ___________ >>> Need a vacation? Get great deals >>> to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. >>> http://travel.yahoo.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: >> 9/6/2007 >>> 8:36 AM >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 05:40:57 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:40:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6.2.1.2.1.20070906225802.0307ae20@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <001401c7f14c$56e168d0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Hi Jerry, > Congrats on a successfull first outing for the Maytag. The Maytag invasion > of the African continent can begin. GRINNN. Send them all and call it reparations . Iron is at the highest price in recorded history again . From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Sep 7 09:06:50 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:06:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! Message-ID: <20070907.122329.284.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jerry, Just my 2 cents. I usually mix my gas & oil in a plastic Quart Oil Bottle to a ratio of about 20 to 1. That fills my tank to a satisfactory level. I've never actually timed how long they run on that. I've always said, "Those are HUNGRY little bastards". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri Sep 7 09:35:48 2007 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:35:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <011901c7f16d$26460200$0200a8c0@fbi> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" > > A few problems I encountered (input welcome): > 1) He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a litre of fuel. Is this > normal ? I think it is quite heavy considering that he is not pulling a > load Remember that it's American - they only build gas guzzlers! Jim -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/ From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Sep 7 10:16:51 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:16:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <011901c7f16d$26460200$0200a8c0@fbi> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011901c7f16d$26460200$0200a8c0@fbi> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070907125918.0308b220@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Jim, Yup And the only thing we build that uses more is a US ARMY M1A1-A2 Abrahms Battle Tank. ARH ARH ARH Which coincidentally are built and refitted just 15 miles up the road from here and a rail road that carries them in and out of Lima runs thru my back yard. What a sight seeing the land might of the US Military passing by me. Have a Great Weekend Everyone! Mark >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jerry Evans" > > 1) He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a litre of fuel. Is this > > normal ? I think it is quite heavy considering that he is not pulling a > > load >Remember that it's American - they only build gas guzzlers! >Jim >-- >Jim French Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 12:42:52 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:42:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills Message-ID: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need a mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going to use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you recommend. Paul From cwja at telus.net Fri Sep 7 14:43:24 2007 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:43:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine Message-ID: <46E1C5FC.6050206@telus.net> I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial 15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be appreciated. -- Jeff Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Sep 7 16:23:06 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:23:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills In-Reply-To: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <46E1DD5A.5040008@scrtc.com> Paul, They are fine for light work and as long as you're not going to try to use them to mill out a 4 inch hole or some similar heavy work, they can do a lot along the lines of old engine repairs. If you decide you are going to get one, contact me. I have one that is new (less than an hour work done on it) that I've never used (a friend who moved traded it to me). Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Paul Maples wrote: >Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need a mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going to use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you recommend. > >Paul > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Sep 7 16:24:50 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 01:24:50 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! Message-ID: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys 'n Gals, Thanks for all the replies I got from this post (many were off list). I'll reply personally over the weekend. One question that cropped up a few times was about the muffler. I've ordered a replacement muffler (and the kill mechanism) from Mark Shulaw but this will still take some time to get here. I needed a muffler in the interim and made this one. I've put a page here which hopefully will answer all your questions: Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016) 365-5787 Fax: 086 635 5696 Cell: 083 293 7191 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Sep 7 17:02:37 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:02:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills References: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <007b01c7f1ac$3dae23c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A 5 inch travel Drill Mill will suit you. The 4" stroke is far less use. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:42 AM Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills > Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need a > mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going to > use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you > recommend. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 7 17:34:23 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:34:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, Your design is much preferable to that of Fred's. On the other hand, whatever ANYONE designed would be BETTER that ANYTHING Fred designed! Dave On Sep 7, 2007, at 7:24 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys 'n Gals, > Thanks for all the replies I got from this post (many were > off > list). I'll reply personally over the weekend. > One question that cropped up a few times was about the > muffler. > I've ordered a replacement muffler (and the kill mechanism) from Mark > Shulaw but this will still take some time to get here. I needed a > muffler > in the interim and made this one. > I've put a page here which hopefully will answer all your > questions: > > > Best regards > Jerry Evans. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 18:05:52 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:05:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills References: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> <007b01c7f1ac$3dae23c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <004801c7f1b4$67b52300$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Reg. Is there a particular model you like that don't cost a fortune to acquire? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Benchtop Mills >A 5 inch travel Drill Mill will suit you. The 4" stroke is far less use. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 18:07:54 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:07:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <005101c7f1b4$b071be00$240110ac@FAMILY> Jerry great idea and a great drawing, thanks for sharing with all of us. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > Hi Guys 'n Gals, > Thanks for all the replies I got from this post (many were off > list). I'll reply personally over the weekend. > One question that cropped up a few times was about the muffler. > I've ordered a replacement muffler (and the kill mechanism) from Mark > Shulaw but this will still take some time to get here. I needed a muffler > in the interim and made this one. > I've put a page here which hopefully will answer all your > questions: > > /sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 18:11:33 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:11:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I needed a muffler > in the interim and made this one. > I've put a page here which hopefully will answer all your > questions: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I made a muffler for one of them once Anybody still have a photo of it ? The Maytag Devil it was . Chuck http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm . From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 7 19:09:27 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine In-Reply-To: <46E1C5FC.6050206@telus.net> Message-ID: <842028.89479.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy, I have an engine that is probably a twin to yours. I don't have a manual. If I understand what you want I will try to send you a picture tomorrow. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Allen Home wrote: I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial 15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be appreciated. -- Jeff Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Sep 7 20:19:45 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:19:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine In-Reply-To: <46E1C5FC.6050206@telus.net> References: <46E1C5FC.6050206@telus.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070907231849.02eedeb0@pop3.wcoil.com> You mean a part like this that just sold on Ebay? Item number: 120149206859 Mark At 05:43 PM 9/7/07, you wrote: >I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial >15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for >this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a >picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in >the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by >holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be >appreciated. > >-- > >Jeff Allen >Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From cwja at telus.net Fri Sep 7 21:16:25 2007 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:16:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070907231849.02eedeb0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <46E1C5FC.6050206@telus.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070907231849.02eedeb0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <46E22219.1030403@telus.net> Hi Mark; Yes that is the kind of part that I need and indeed I did win this ebay and have received the part. It is not the right part and seems to be too small for my engine in all respects. I had hoped that it was the right thing but not so. Therefore I need some help. I have bought some Maytag stuff from you and appreciate your genuine help. Thanks, Jeff Mark Shulaw wrote: >You mean a part like this that just sold on Ebay? Item number: >120149206859 Mark > > >At 05:43 PM 9/7/07, you wrote: > > >>I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial >>15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for >>this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a >>picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in >>the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by >>holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be >>appreciated. >> >>-- >> >>Jeff Allen >>Edmonton, Alberta, Canada >> >> > >Mark & Christine Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > >Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >Parts lists available on request. > >Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >No Sunday calls if possible. >I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent >them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and >hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Jeff & Marja Allen at Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From cwja at telus.net Fri Sep 7 21:19:44 2007 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:19:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine In-Reply-To: <842028.89479.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <842028.89479.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46E222E0.9080502@telus.net> Thanks Alan, I have responded to Mark Shulaw about the part that I won on Ebay that was the wrong size . The part was seemingly too small for my engine. I really need a picture taken from the top view of the flywheels and the detent lever makeup. Thanks for your interest; I hope your picture helps. Jeff Alan Bowen wrote: >Howdy, >I have an engine that is probably a twin to yours. >I don't have a manual. >If I understand what you want I will try to send you a picture tomorrow. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > >Allen Home wrote: I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial >15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for >this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a >picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in >the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by >holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be >appreciated. > > > -- Jeff & Marja Allen at Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 7 21:23:28 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:23:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills References: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46E1DD5A.5040008@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001401c7f1d0$021bb3d0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Paul I have a Mill / Drill great for what I want, if I did serious work I would get a Bridgeport like Reg has. Look at the last photo on my workshop site. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm Peter, Oz > Paul Maples wrote: > >>Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need a >>mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going to >>use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you >>recommend. >> >>Paul >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kimmell at verizon.net Fri Sep 7 22:13:06 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:13:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <0JO100D07AIXLY08@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> My stepdad's dad is 84 years old and was telling me about how he used to spend such a long time trying to kick-start their old Maytag washer back in the mid 30's. I showed him both my singles and they both kicked right off on the second kick. They will run beautifully when setup right, but boy are they ever finicky. PS: I like that muffler of yours. It looks like your motor is smoking a bong... 8-) -Tony Kimmell At 06:24 PM 9/7/2007, you wrote: >Hi Guys 'n Gals, > Thanks for all the replies I got from this post (many were off >list). I'll reply personally over the weekend. > One question that cropped up a few times was about the muffler. >I've ordered a replacement muffler (and the kill mechanism) from Mark >Shulaw but this will still take some time to get here. I needed a muffler >in the interim and made this one. > I've put a page here which hopefully will answer all your questions: > > >Best regards >Jerry Evans. >Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery > >Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery >Alternative ! >We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack >/ Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss >(FDISK). >We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. >Visit our site: >http://www.databak.co.za >Tel: (016) 365-5787 >Fax: 086 635 5696 >Cell: 083 293 7191 >eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za >Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 7 22:23:48 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:23:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: On Sep 7, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > I made a muffler for one of them once > Anybody still have a photo of it ? > The Maytag Devil it was . I'd forgotten about that. Who ended up with it? Didn't you make two? From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Sep 8 03:26:14 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:26:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine Message-ID: <090820071026.3688.46E278C60009780700000E68219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Jeff if your engine looks like my Nelson Bros. 1 3/4hp Little Jumbo then I might beable to help you. Send me a pic of your engine and close up of the concerned areas. Curt Andree McConnell, Ill. ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Mark Shulaw To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] MacLeod Engine Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 03:22:04 +0000 > You mean a part like this that just sold on Ebay? Item number: > 120149206859 Mark > > > At 05:43 PM 9/7/07, you wrote: > >I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial > >15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for > >this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a > >picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in > >the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by > >holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be > >appreciated. > > > >-- > > > >Jeff Allen > >Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 8 03:46:42 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 04:46:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions Message-ID: Howdy all; Will soon be coming back to this side of the tracks after 3 yrs. trying to learn how to boil water. Couple questions please; Does anyone build small IHC "M" carts w/wheels? Is there a general rule of thumb as to how much of the flat belt should contact the driven pulley? Trying to stay away from a belt tensioner for now. Thanks much!! RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 8 04:17:14 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:17:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Picture Hell Chuck. I have one of the mufflers AND the mold! Dave On Sep 7, 2007, at 9:11 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > I needed a muffler >> in the interim and made this one. >> I've put a page here which hopefully will answer all your >> questions: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > I made a muffler for one of them once > Anybody still have a photo of it ? > The Maytag Devil it was . > > > Chuck http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Sep 8 07:45:08 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:45:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c7f226$da661270$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Rick I purchased one years age for Ray Shoal (sp) Shoal Engine Shop; It was real nice and bolted right up the factory skids on my 1 1/2hp M. I think the Amish people may also have them but I don't have the contact info. for the Cattail Foundry. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:47 AM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] Couple questions > > > Howdy all; > Will soon be coming back to this side of the tracks after 3 yrs. trying to > learn how to boil water. > > Couple questions please; > > Does anyone build small IHC "M" carts w/wheels? > > Is there a general rule of thumb as to how much of the flat belt should > contact the driven pulley? Trying to stay away from a belt tensioner for > now. > > Thanks much!! > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ NOD32 2514 (20070908) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Sep 8 07:48:34 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:48:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine & Bluffton In-Reply-To: <46E22219.1030403@telus.net> References: <46E1C5FC.6050206@telus.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070907231849.02eedeb0@pop3.wcoil.com> <46E22219.1030403@telus.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070908102741.02ee31e0@pop3.wcoil.com> While we are at it I need a head, rocker, pushrod etc for a Bluffton, Nelson, McLeod, Sunpower. Some of the same or similar parts that you need. Mine is the earlier engine. The parts offered on Ebay lately are the later engine. I have an ignitor. My engines tagged Columbus Pump Supply Company. I need the 3 1/2" bolt centers head without ignitor in head. I have a spare 3 5/8" head to trade or whatever. Heres pics of my project. The carb pictured I believe is the carb I will need. The spare wrong head I have has a carb with it. Mark http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel1.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel2.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel3.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel4.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel5.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel6.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel7.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel8.jpg At 12:16 AM 9/8/07, you wrote: >Hi Mark; >Yes that is the kind of part that I need and indeed I did win this ebay >and have received the part. It is not the right part and seems to be too >small for my engine in all respects. I had hoped that it was the right >thing but not so. Therefore I need some help. I have bought some Maytag >stuff from you and appreciate your genuine help. >Thanks, Jeff > >Mark Shulaw wrote: > > >You mean a part like this that just sold on Ebay? Item number: > >120149206859 Mark > > > > > >At 05:43 PM 9/7/07, you wrote: > > > > > >>I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial > >>15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for > >>this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a > >>picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in > >>the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by > >>holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be > >>appreciated. > >> > >>-- > >> > >>Jeff Allen > >>Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > >> > >> > > > >Mark & Christine Shulaw > >454 Co. Rd. 33 > >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > >Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > >Parts lists available on request. > > > >Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > >No Sunday calls if possible. > >I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > >them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > >hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Jeff & Marja Allen at Home >Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Sep 8 07:51:27 2007 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:51:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills Message-ID: <410-22007968145127500@earthlink.net> I see one big problem with your shop Peter, it's too damn clean. A clean shop is an unhealthy shop, how do you find anything with it put away. It's so much more fun to spend an hour looking for something in a pile of crap on the bench than to simply go over to the tool box and take it out don't yeah think? Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Peter Lowe > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 9/8/2007 7:23:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Benchtop Mills > > Hi Paul > > I have a Mill / Drill great for what I want, if I did serious work I would > get a Bridgeport like Reg has. > Look at the last photo on my workshop site. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm > > Peter, Oz > > > > > Paul Maples wrote: > > > >>Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need a > >>mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going to > >>use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you > >>recommend. > >> > >>Paul > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 4:40 PM From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Sep 8 08:47:45 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:47:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <307b9fdfd49b1f084c5100cdeb875c14@chartertn.net> > Does anyone build small IHC "M" carts w/wheels? Raymond Scholl (I think that's how he spells it) in Sugar Grove, NC is who I got mine from. Very well made. Not cheap, but very nice. Advertised in GEM at the time. I was close enough to drive over and pick it up. It's made of good quality wood. He uses Schedule 80 pipe for axles, the bolsters and cart hardware are good, it's got proper bolts, and the wheels are very good quality cast iron. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 8 11:31:09 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Old Hand Powered Well Pump Message-ID: <661205.64874.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, This is not really off-topic because I want to hook this up to a pump jack and runn it with one of my engines. 8>)) Please take a look at the pictures here. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32582855&f= Any idea how old this one is??? I would love to see a complete pump like this one. I know I don't need the handle to run it with a pump jack. Thanks, Alan Bowen --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 11:18:53 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:18:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709082152218.SM01768@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 07/09/2007, you wrote: >From: Alan Bowen >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >Cc: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <329570.28014.qm at web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Hi Jerry, >Welcome to the ranks of many Maytag single owners. >Details on this statement please? >"He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a liter of fuel. Is this >normal ? " Hi Alan, Thanks for this , I replied on the other list. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 11:15:52 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:15:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709082152390.SM01912@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 07/09/2007, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:50:44 -0400 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > >Hi Jerry, > Your MOTOR looks LIKE NEW!!!!! I'm glad that it's a "hit" in SA-- >that's one more of the little bastards that can't smoke up the USA! I >think that Rob Skinner uses 50 to 1 (synthetic) in his model of >FRED'S MISTAKE--but you should check with him before you try it. (I >use 4,000 to 1 in most of mine, but I probably have a different goal >in mind that do you!) > You may want to keep your computer open to the X-mas Charity > auction >again this year. There just may be a TWIN that will be put up. I will >need to check out a few things before I can be sure, but keep tuned! > Dave >PS, Glad that the canned smoke and the mirror are working well! Hi Dave, Coming from you this is praise indeed - thanks. I had no idea that you actually ran Maytags - I thought that you just axed them !! I suspect that you may be a closet Maytag lover - you should get help on this :-) I missed something - the canned smoke is working great but will soon be finished (can I order some more?) but I never got a mirror - where is this used ? Keep well and I'll keep up to date with the next auction. There may even be some Maytag decals on it or would this infringe on someones copyright ? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 11:29:06 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:29:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709082152468.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> >Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:35:10 -0400 >From: Mark Shulaw >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Hi Jerry, >Congrats on a successfull first outing for the Maytag. The Maytag invasion >of the African continent can begin. GRINNN. > > That restart problem might be from a coil that gets weak as it heats up. >Mark & Christine Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >Parts lists available on request. Hi Mark, Thanks for your very informative reply - I'll check those things out. Re the Invasion of the African continent - I think not, I doubt if even a Maytag could exist in total darkness :-). I'll be writing to you off list very soon. Just got lots of mail to respond to now. Keep well. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 11:02:39 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:02:39 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709082152890.SM01044@new.databak.co.za> >From: "Paul Maples" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Nice pictures Jerry (of you and the engine) >Paul Thanks Paul but I'm not a good candidate for photographs. The Maytag is 12 years older than me and looks so much better ;-) - probably runs better as well !! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 13:26:07 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:26:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070908222200.00ac2840@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > >From: "Jim French" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Remember that it's American - they only build gas guzzlers! >Jim You are sooooooooo right Jim. I wrote, on the "other list" tonight. My Ruston & Hornsby PT runs all day on a litre of petrol, but he is after all, a Ruston & Hornsby. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 13:30:32 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:30:32 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709082236984.SM01092@new.databak.co.za> > >From: jlb94 at juno.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Hi Jerry, >Just my 2 cents. >I usually mix my gas & oil in a plastic Quart Oil Bottle to a ratio of >about 20 to 1. >That fills my tank to a satisfactory level. >I've never actually timed how long they run on that. >I've always said, "Those are HUNGRY little bastards". >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hi Joe, You are right - not only are they hungry little bastards but they also make a lot of noise when they eat! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 8 13:33:05 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:33:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills References: <410-22007968145127500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002d01c7f257$762cea00$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> >> It's so much more fun to spend an hour looking for something in a pile of >> crap > on the bench than to simply go over to the tool box and take it out don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. I find the coolsest stuff sometimes . chuck From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 13:46:20 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:46:20 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070908223849.02c1c600@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >From: "Paul Maples" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Jerry great idea and a great drawing, thanks for sharing with all of us. >Paul Thanks Paul, It's good to see the list getting lively again. Every year around Portland time it gets terribly quiet. I only get the SEL digest version once a day and last week there was actually a day without a single posting - the withdrawal symptoms were enough to drive a grown man to drink :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 8 15:07:57 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:07:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070908223849.02c1c600@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <003701c7f264$b775cab0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Hi Jerry. Here is a nice spur of the moment muffler. It does look like a bong and is very quiet, you would think it wasn't even running. Skip http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4443632&a=32451010&f= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > >>From: "Paul Maples" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >>Jerry great idea and a great drawing, thanks for sharing with all of us. >>Paul > > Thanks Paul, > It's good to see the list getting lively again. Every year around > Portland time it gets terribly quiet. > I only get the SEL digest version once a day and last week there > was actually a day without a single posting - the withdrawal symptoms were > enough to drive a grown man to drink :-) > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 > 4:40 PM > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 8 15:30:13 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 08:30:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills References: <410-22007968145127500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000501c7f267$d33bbf90$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Tim You should see it now, that is an old photo, man I spend all day looking for everything. Peter, Oz >I see one big problem with your shop Peter, it's too damn clean. A clean > shop is an unhealthy shop, how do you find anything with it put away. > It's > so much more fun to spend an hour looking for something in a pile of crap > on the bench than to simply go over to the tool box and take it out don't > yeah think? > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Peter Lowe >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 9/8/2007 7:23:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Benchtop Mills >> >> Hi Paul >> >> I have a Mill / Drill great for what I want, if I did serious work I > would >> get a Bridgeport like Reg has. >> Look at the last photo on my workshop site. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> > Paul Maples wrote: >> > >> >>Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need > a >> >>mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going > to >> >>use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you >> >>recommend. >> >> >> >>Paul >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>SEL mailing list >> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 > 4:40 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 8 15:36:41 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <003701c7f264$b775cab0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Skip,, Get real here,,,, You can NOT compare the exhaust sound of a Maytag Twin with Jerry's Single. It is a completely different animal. I would like to hear the sound of a single with a can like that for a muffler. I am considering using an old brass fire extinguisher for a Maytag single exhaust. I want to hear what it will sound like. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Skip Cleveland wrote: Hi Jerry. Here is a nice spur of the moment muffler. It does look like a bong and is very quiet, you would think it wasn't even running. Skip http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4443632&a=32451010&f= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > >>From: "Paul Maples" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >>Jerry great idea and a great drawing, thanks for sharing with all of us. >>Paul > > Thanks Paul, > It's good to see the list getting lively again. Every year around > Portland time it gets terribly quiet. > I only get the SEL digest version once a day and last week there > was actually a day without a single posting - the withdrawal symptoms were > enough to drive a grown man to drink :-) > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 > 4:40 PM > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 8 16:42:05 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 19:42:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Alan. There is no sound at all, it sounds like an electric motor. Believe it or nuts, Betty liked the sound of a Maytag single. I liked to died. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > Skip,, Get real here,,,, > You can NOT compare the exhaust sound of a Maytag Twin with Jerry's > Single. > It is a completely different animal. I would like to hear the sound of a > single with a can like that for a muffler. > > I am considering using an old brass fire extinguisher for a Maytag single > exhaust. I want to hear what it will sound like. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > Skip Cleveland wrote: Hi Jerry. > Here is a nice spur of the moment muffler. It does look like a bong and is > very quiet, you would think it wasn't even running. > > Skip > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4443632&a=32451010&f= > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Evans" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > > >> >>>From: "Paul Maples" > >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> >>>Jerry great idea and a great drawing, thanks for sharing with all of us. >>>Paul >> >> Thanks Paul, >> It's good to see the list getting lively again. Every year around >> Portland time it gets terribly quiet. >> I only get the SEL digest version once a day and last week there >> was actually a day without a single posting - the withdrawal symptoms >> were >> enough to drive a grown man to drink :-) >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >> See: >> www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm >> or learn how to finish off your plates >> www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 >> 4:40 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 > 4:40 PM > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 8 17:37:37 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <771600.65662.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Skip, That has nothing to do with Jerry's single though. 8>)) I know how quiet a twin can run. I also understand what you wrote about the single,,,, I spent a couple years at shows with my Shotgun Maytag single cracking and driving me NUTS. Gee,,,, I wonder how that gun got broke ???? 8>)) Next year I will be running a Maytag washer at shows and I think the exhaust of that single will sound better in a nice hollow fire extinguisher. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Skip Cleveland wrote: Alan. There is no sound at all, it sounds like an electric motor. Believe it or nuts, Betty liked the sound of a Maytag single. I liked to died. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > Skip,, Get real here,,,, > You can NOT compare the exhaust sound of a Maytag Twin with Jerry's > Single. > It is a completely different animal. I would like to hear the sound of a > single with a can like that for a muffler. > > I am considering using an old brass fire extinguisher for a Maytag single > exhaust. I want to hear what it will sound like. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > Skip Cleveland wrote: Hi Jerry. > Here is a nice spur of the moment muffler. It does look like a bong and is > very quiet, you would think it wasn't even running. > > Skip > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4443632&a=32451010&f= > > --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Sep 8 17:44:19 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:44:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: Thing about Maytag singles' fuel consumption is, it's the same all the time, under load or not. It's always passing enough through for full output. It just burns a greater or lesser percentage of it as called for by the power demand. Wasn't one of Fred's better ideas. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 8 18:01:05 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 21:01:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: > Wasn't one of Fred's better ideas. > John Culp Fred had NO good ideas! Dave From cwja at telus.net Sat Sep 8 22:01:34 2007 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 23:01:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine In-Reply-To: <090820071026.3688.46E278C60009780700000E68219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <090820071026.3688.46E278C60009780700000E68219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <46E37E2E.9040909@telus.net> Hi Curt I'll work on taking some pictures tomorrow and send them off. I did go to an auction today and took the following picture of the item I believe I need and I suspect I can fabricate a rough but usable replacement. I just hope that what I have found today is the right item. I get back to you soon. cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: >Jeff if your engine looks like my Nelson Bros. 1 3/4hp Little Jumbo then I >might beable to help you. Send me a pic of your engine and close up of the >concerned areas. >Curt Andree >McConnell, Ill. > > >---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- >From: Mark Shulaw >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] MacLeod Engine >Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 03:22:04 +0000 > > > >>You mean a part like this that just sold on Ebay? Item number: >>120149206859 Mark >> >> >>At 05:43 PM 9/7/07, you wrote: >> >> >>>I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial >>>15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for >>>this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a >>>picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in >>>the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by >>>holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be >>>appreciated. >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Jeff Allen >>>Edmonton, Alberta, Canada >>> >>> >>Mark & Christine Shulaw >>454 Co. Rd. 33 >>Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> >>Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >>Parts lists available on request. >> >>Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >>No Sunday calls if possible. >>I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent >>them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and >>hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Jeff & Marja Allen at Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 9 02:16:37 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 05:16:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <1189329397.46e3b9f5a3486@webmail.city-net.com> Chuck, I'm the proud owner of that masterpiece. Cost me a TONNE in a SEL Charity Auction!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Chuck Balyeat : > > I made a muffler for one of them once > Anybody still have a photo of it ? > The Maytag Devil it was . From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Sep 9 04:17:22 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:17:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills References: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <007501c7f2d2$fef40f50$6bd24c0c@D48VHZ61> I have a really old South Bend and it works well, considering what it is. The one thing I would look for is to get as much Y axis travel as possible. I tend to forget every time I mount the vise and have to reposition it in the middle of a cut. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills > Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need a > mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going to > use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you > recommend. > > Paul > From kimmell at verizon.net Sun Sep 9 08:23:17 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:23:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> At 08:01 PM 9/8/2007, you wrote: >Fred had NO good ideas! > Dave Sure he did... the idea to QUIT making his own motors and let Briggs & Stratton do it for him was a GREAT idea!!! 8-) -Tony From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Sep 9 08:40:10 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:40:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Tony, I'm not so sure about that as the production of gas washers went on a steady steep decline after the Briggs engines went on them. GRINNNN. So I wonder, grinnn. Mark At 11:23 AM 9/9/07, you wrote: >At 08:01 PM 9/8/2007, you wrote: > >Fred had NO good ideas! > > Dave > >Sure he did... the idea to QUIT making his own motors and let Briggs >& Stratton do it for him was a GREAT idea!!! 8-) > >-Tony > Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 09:37:51 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:37:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Portland_2007_picture_updates?= Message-ID: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> We have put up all of the Portland pictures now, plus another set that we took in Toledo on the Willis S Boyer Great Lakes freighter, and a few in Windsor after we strayed into Canada for a few hours on our last day. You can jump between the section now, there is a link to the Toledo/Windsor pictures from the Portland stuff and back again. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07Menu1.htm Henry Ford Museum and Auburn-Cord Museum left to do yet.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 9 09:55:02 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:55:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <06d301c7f302$2ab222b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Great pictures. The pictures on page #7 will not open up to the larger size, the other pictures work fine. Really nice pictures and the variety if great...many thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" ; Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates > We have put up all of the Portland pictures now, plus another set that > we took in Toledo on the Willis S Boyer Great Lakes freighter, and a > few in Windsor after we strayed into Canada for a few hours on our > last day. > > You can jump between the section now, there is a link to the > Toledo/Windsor pictures from the Portland stuff and back again. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07Menu1.htm > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 9 12:11:05 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] A Passing In-Reply-To: <200709091746.l89Hkjs5085792@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <140578.95125.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My very best canine friend ever was Pest. Pest was the result of a Registered female Collie that was supposed to be bred by another of her kind, but the neighbor's registered Irish Setter got there first. He was a beautiful dog with a heart full of love. i got him when I was 14 years old and he was a pest every single day until the day he died 16 1/2 years later. I remember that day very well. I pulled into the driveway after work and Pest didn't get up. He didn't even raise his head. That had never happened before !!!! The day before there was no hint that it was his last good day. I picked him up and went to the vet just three miles away. The vet checked him out and said his whole body was shutting down. It was just his time to go and he was in no pain at all. I just took him home and sat with him for the next couple hours and he died asleep. What a sweet way to die, That is my dream too. Then there was my Mom's dog Spud. Spud was a German Shepard/Husky mutt. He was a big dog and a very nice feller. Mom was away and my sister was house setting when she called me and said there was something bad wrong with Spud. Right then I heard the most painful wailing I have ever heard. I grabbed the 410 pump shotgun and a box of slugs and headed over there. It sounded that bad. When I got there Spud was laying in a very contorted fashion and when he tried to move at all he wailed like that again and I could see it would be pure torture to move that dog. I talked softly to him while I loaded the gun then I put a slug through his brain and Spud's body straightened out, the goofiest smile came across his face, his tail went straight up and waved it's way back down and he was at peace. It really is hard to shoot such a good dog, but at the time it was the most merciful thing to do. As I write this I am thinking of our 14 year old German Shepard/Collie mix dog out in the other room that is slowing way down and I don't think she will be with us another year. She is named Kitty of all the stupid names, but she is the very best watch dog and at the same time she has always been wonderful with kids of any age. I really don't know how many dogs I can stand to lose, but there is always another one out there with years of love to give. Sorry this is so long, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Orrin Iseminger wrote: You are undoubtedly feeling very sad right now, Patrick. The best thing to do is to go right out and find another dog. Although you'll still miss Shannon a great deal, another one will soon work its way into your heart, helping to fill the void. Our old basset hound went to sleep one night and never woke up, again. Both Cathy and I were profoundly saddened; but, with the help of the Internet, within days we found another in a Humane Society shelter. He turned out to be the best dog, ever, to have joined our family. Good luck, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 3:12 AM To: Stationary Engine Mailing List; Stationary Engine ATIS List Subject: OT: A Passing For those of you who knew her. Shannon (my German Shepherd engine dog) passed away in her sleep yesterday aged 11. She will be missed. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 12:19:35 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:19:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates In-Reply-To: <06d301c7f302$2ab222b0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> <06d301c7f302$2ab222b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6f6025160709091219l11b8da94j8e88b5ee90d677f4@mail.gmail.com> On 09/09/2007, Paul Maples wrote: > Great pictures. The pictures on page #7 will not open up to the larger size, > the other pictures work fine. > > Really nice pictures and the variety if great...many thanks. > > Paul Try now, Paul, they should be all there. Looks like we sent all the thumbnails and main pictures over but didn't send the HTML pages for that series. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 9 14:26:13 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:26:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com><06d301c7f302$2ab222b0$240110ac@FAMILY> <6f6025160709091219l11b8da94j8e88b5ee90d677f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <075601c7f328$0d6a2510$240110ac@FAMILY> Working Great now Peter, thanks. These are some really nice pictures and since I did not get to go to Portland this year they allow me to get to see and enjoy the show. I really appreciate you posting them for all of us. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates > On 09/09/2007, Paul Maples wrote: >> Great pictures. The pictures on page #7 will not open up to the larger >> size, >> the other pictures work fine. >> >> Really nice pictures and the variety if great...many thanks. >> >> Paul > > Try now, Paul, they should be all there. Looks like we sent all the > thumbnails and main pictures over but didn't send the HTML pages for > that series. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Sep 9 15:29:09 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:29:09 +0800 Subject: [SEL] A Passing References: <140578.95125.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c7f330$dc14d100$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> It's what you need to do Alan ,talk about it .I just went through it as well ,my feisty little Jack Russell ,Chester who went down fighting to the last ,he bit the vet . They are with us for a relatively short time but they are great mates while they are here......next one on order now ,a Manchester Terrier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Passing > My very best canine friend ever was Pest. > Pest was the result of a Registered female Collie that was supposed to be > bred by another of her kind, but the neighbor's registered Irish Setter > got there first. > > He was a beautiful dog with a heart full of love. i got him when I was 14 > years old and he was a pest every single day until the day he died 16 1/2 > years later. > I remember that day very well. > I pulled into the driveway after work and Pest didn't get up. > He didn't even raise his head. > That had never happened before !!!! > The day before there was no hint that it was his last good day. > I picked him up and went to the vet just three miles away. > The vet checked him out and said his whole body was shutting down. It was > just his time to go and he was in no pain at all. I just took him home and > sat with him for the next couple hours and he died asleep. > What a sweet way to die, That is my dream too. > > Then there was my Mom's dog Spud. Spud was a German Shepard/Husky mutt. > He was a big dog and a very nice feller. > Mom was away and my sister was house setting when she called me and said > there was something bad wrong with Spud. Right then I heard the most > painful wailing I have ever heard. I grabbed the 410 pump shotgun and a > box of slugs and headed over there. It sounded that bad. > When I got there Spud was laying in a very contorted fashion and when he > tried to move at all he wailed like that again and I could see it would be > pure torture to move that dog. I talked softly to him while I loaded the > gun then I put a slug through his brain and Spud's body straightened out, > the goofiest smile came across his face, his tail went straight up and > waved it's way back down and he was at peace. > > It really is hard to shoot such a good dog, but at the time it was the > most merciful thing to do. > > As I write this I am thinking of our 14 year old German Shepard/Collie mix > dog out in the other room that is slowing way down and I don't think she > will be with us another year. She is named Kitty of all the stupid names, > but she is the very best watch dog and at the same time she has always > been wonderful with kids of any age. > > I really don't know how many dogs I can stand to lose, but there is always > another one out there with years of love to give. > > Sorry this is so long, > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > Orrin Iseminger wrote: You are undoubtedly feeling > very sad right now, Patrick. The best thing to > do is to go right out and find another dog. Although you'll still miss > Shannon a great deal, another one will soon work its way into your heart, > helping to fill the void. > > Our old basset hound went to sleep one night and never woke up, again. > Both > Cathy and I were profoundly saddened; but, with the help of the Internet, > within days we found another in a Humane Society shelter. He turned out > to > be the best dog, ever, to have joined our family. > > Good luck, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 3:12 AM > To: Stationary Engine Mailing List; Stationary Engine ATIS List > Subject: OT: A Passing > > For those of you who knew her. > Shannon (my German Shepherd engine dog) passed away in her sleep yesterday > aged 11. She will be missed. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Sep 10 01:20:58 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:20:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions References: <307b9fdfd49b1f084c5100cdeb875c14@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Thanks guys..will give Ray a call. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Couple questions > > Does anyone build small IHC "M" carts w/wheels? > > Raymond Scholl (I think that's how he spells it) in Sugar Grove, NC is > who I got mine from. Very well made. Not cheap, but very nice. > Advertised in GEM at the time. I was close enough to drive over and > pick it up. It's made of good quality wood. He uses Schedule 80 pipe > for axles, the bolsters and cart hardware are good, it's got proper > bolts, and the wheels are very good quality cast iron. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Sep 10 10:42:58 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:42:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T.Re: A Passing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070910193435.00a9db48@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:11:05 -0700 (PDT) >From: Alan Bowen >Subject: Re: [SEL] A Passing > > >My very best canine friend ever was Pest. >Then there was my Mom's dog Spud. >Alan Bowen Hi Alan, I just love your dogs names. Mine was registered with the name "Kaz-a-Nova Furrari of Black Knight" (Kaz for short) but we all just called him "Brat" 'cos that's what he was. (I think that you guys have something that you eat called "brats" but here it refers to a naughty child - cheeky - mischievous, teasing but loveable.) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Sep 10 10:53:51 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:53:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Re: A Passing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709101958843.SM01772@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 10/09/2007, you wrote: >Orrin Iseminger wrote: You are undoubtedly feeling >very sad right now, Patrick. The best thing to >do is to go right out and find another dog. Although you'll still miss >Shannon a great deal, another one will soon work its way into your heart, >helping to fill the void. Orrin. Hi Orrin, Each to his own. I feel that a period of private mourning is in order. I just could not go out and get another to replace mine yet (I had to put it down 2 weeks ago) - call it sentimentality, stupidity or anything else. The love and respect I had for my dog precludes me from getting a replacement for quite some time. I think that I owe him this for all the love, respect and good times between us. My pets ( I have dogs and cats) are like children to me and if you lose a child you cannot just go out and get another. On another tack, I know that this is all "Off Topic" but its great to see that so many of you guys also love your pets. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Sep 10 14:09:37 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:09:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nelson Bros Engines Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910170817.02eee220@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Ya'll, Border Bob was telling me there was a fellow a few years back, maybe like 15 that he talked to at Portland who was compiling history on Nelson Bros. engines. Unfortunately he does not remember who it was. Its just been too long. Does anyone know of someone who was or is doing this? Did he or anyone get a good history of the engines published? Bob's, Jeff's and my engine has gotten my interest up on them so I was wondering. Might as well try to learn something new. Thanks, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From kimmell at verizon.net Mon Sep 10 15:16:38 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:16:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> At 10:40 AM 9/9/2007, you wrote: >Hi Tony, I'm not so sure about that as the production of gas washers went >on a steady steep decline after the Briggs engines went on them. >GRINNNN. So I wonder, grinnn. Mark Mark, Fred was about 30 years too late with his "good idea". By the time he saw the light, everyone else had as well and had gotten the farm electrified! But, if it weren't for rural electrification, we wouldn't have all these wonderful little smoke bombs laying around to play with. They have long ago been separated from their washers so grampy could put that swell little electric motor on there. It was great, after-all you don't have to kick and kick and kick and kick to get those electric motors to go!! 8-) From George_Best at adp.com Mon Sep 10 15:33:26 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:33:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] I'm back again Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> It's been quite awhile since I was last on SEL, so thought I'd check back and see how things are going. Since I've been gone, I've kept busy including leading a small engine tour to Europe the end of May. Bought a couple engines this weekend, so if there are any Bovaird & Seyfang (vertical aircooled type) experts here I'd like to hear from them. Also picked up a 2hp New Holland in real nice shape. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 15:42:39 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <354072.92156.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, And all ya gotta do is run one of those Maytags at a good sized show and lots of older men will stop by and tell you what they did with the Maytag engine off their mom's washer. Most it seems went on go-carts,,,,, Others pumped water for critters or were attached to generators to charge batteries. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Tony & Jackie wrote: At 10:40 AM 9/9/2007, you wrote: >Hi Tony, I'm not so sure about that as the production of gas washers went >on a steady steep decline after the Briggs engines went on them. >GRINNNN. So I wonder, grinnn. Mark Mark, Fred was about 30 years too late with his "good idea". By the time he saw the light, everyone else had as well and had gotten the farm electrified! But, if it weren't for rural electrification, we wouldn't have all these wonderful little smoke bombs laying around to play with. They have long ago been separated from their washers so grampy could put that swell little electric motor on there. It was great, after-all you don't have to kick and kick and kick and kick to get those electric motors to go!! 8-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Sep 10 15:44:28 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:44:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. To all my Dog Lover Friends Message-ID: <20070910.154429.1148.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> If you love dogs, this will bring a big simile . http://www.intheory.tv/?p=72 From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 10 15:49:11 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:49:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB><0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000c01c7f3fc$d960b3d0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Mark Don't let those devil worshipers upset you mate, my cousin came to stay last weekend and I took him out to the shed. I was looking around for an engine that had fuel in it to start one for him. I shook the Maytag 72 twin and found that there was about 3/4" of old fuel still in there. Now this engine has not been started for well over twelve months and that fuel was stale, I started second push from my hand, not kicked, as it sits high on a stand. The reason it took two kicks was I forgot to open the air valve first. It ran the smokiest it had ever run as I guess the gas had evaporated a little leaving a higher concentration of oil. I normally run it at 40:1 and have since 1999. I then gave it a drink of fresh fuel and it purrrred like a kitten with just a whisper of that tell tale smoke. This is the engine/motor I bought off our big buddy Leroy Clarke at Portland 1999. Ahhh, love that two stroke smell, if it was not smoking you would not know it was running amongst all those loud H&M one lungers ;-))) Peter, Oz > > Mark, > Fred was about 30 years too late with his "good idea". By the time > he saw the light, everyone else had as well and had gotten the farm > electrified! > > But, if it weren't for rural electrification, we wouldn't have all > these wonderful little smoke bombs laying around to play with. They > have long ago been separated from their washers so grampy could put > that swell little electric motor on there. It was great, after-all > you don't have to kick and kick and kick and kick to get those > electric motors to go!! 8-) From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Sep 10 18:35:42 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:35:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Re: A Passing Message-ID: <20070910.215510.672.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jerry, Sorry to hear about your dog. I had to put mine down in April. She was 16 - Deaf - 80% Blind - Legs were getting weak - and she started peeing in the house. I got her when she was a mature puppy. We had a good life together. There is a pic of her on my site. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Sep 10 21:23:54 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:23:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <000c01c7f3fc$d960b3d0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <000c01c7f3fc$d960b3d0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Ahh I never get upset I just know they're jelous, GRINNN. Its all in good fun. It really is an odd thing about the oil mixtures. I've seen fellows running 40-1 like you and get away with it then I've seen fellows running 30-1 bugger their engine up. There just does not seem to be any rhyme nor reason to it. Very seldom if ever does anyone have troubles with 16-1 or 20-1 Theres just too many variables to take into consideration. Like wear, or lack there of, Type of oil used, And then the amount the air cap is open or closed, Just to name a few. I know I sell pistons every year to fellows who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable to damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not worth the risk to run them lean. TTYL, Mark At 06:49 PM 9/10/07, you wrote: >Hi Mark >Don't let those devil worshipers upset you mate, my cousin came to stay last >weekend and I took him out to the shed. I was looking around for an engine >that had fuel in it to start one for him. I shook the Maytag 72 twin and >found that there was about 3/4" of old fuel still in there. Now this engine >has not been started for well over twelve months and that fuel was stale, I >started second push from my hand, not kicked, as it sits high on a stand. >The reason it took two kicks was I forgot to open the air valve first. It >ran the smokiest it had ever run as I guess the gas had evaporated a little >leaving a higher concentration of oil. I normally run it at 40:1 and have >since 1999. I then gave it a drink of fresh fuel and it purrrred like a >kitten with just a whisper of that tell tale smoke. >This is the engine/motor I bought off our big buddy Leroy Clarke at Portland >1999. >Ahhh, love that two stroke smell, if it was not smoking you would not know >it was running amongst all those loud H&M one lungers ;-))) > >Peter, Oz > > > > > Mark, > > Fred was about 30 years too late with his "good idea". By the time > > he saw the light, everyone else had as well and had gotten the farm > > electrified! > > > > But, if it weren't for rural electrification, we wouldn't have all > > these wonderful little smoke bombs laying around to play with. They > > have long ago been separated from their washers so grampy could put > > that swell little electric motor on there. It was great, after-all > > you don't have to kick and kick and kick and kick to get those > > electric motors to go!! 8-) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Sep 11 04:57:24 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:57:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: I think they are running them lean to get rid of all the foul smelling smoke. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================= >From: Mark Shulaw > > I know I sell pistons every year to fellows >who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable to >damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not worth the >risk to run them lean. > TTYL, Mark > _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft? Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Sep 11 05:08:21 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:08:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: Message-ID: <001701c7f46c$72bb47b0$0601a8c0@altech> No, we run them lean because we can ;-)) there is no stopping them. Peter, Oz >I think they are running them lean to get rid of all the foul smelling > smoke. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > ================= > >>From: Mark Shulaw >> >> I know I sell pistons every year to fellows >>who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable to >>damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not worth >>the >>risk to run them lean. >> TTYL, Mark >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft? Office Live! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 11 06:56:21 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:56:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] I'm back again In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> Hey George, welcome back. Tell us more about your European tour and hopefully you have some photos to share. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Best, George wrote: > It's been quite awhile since I was last on SEL, so thought I'd check > back and see how things are going. > > Since I've been gone, I've kept busy including leading a small engine > tour to Europe the end of May. > > Bought a couple engines this weekend, so if there are any Bovaird & > Seyfang (vertical aircooled type) experts here I'd like to hear from > them. > > Also picked up a 2hp New Holland in real nice shape. > > George > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Sep 11 06:54:45 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:54:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> Yes I understand that. The risk to no longer made original parts to have a little bit less smoke is still to me not worth it. Smoke is just a part of Maytaging. And from what I've experianced if an engine is set up properly and the internals of the engine are up to anywhere near snuff and the proper oil is used at the right mix ratio the smoke is minimal with little risk to a finite number of Expensive original parts left. Lets not forget that by experimenting with oils and mixtures we are also putting rods, rings, crankshafts and mainbearings at risk too. I've just seen the internals of so many engines ruined due to improper oil or the lack there of thats its not even funny. Remember I see more then the average number of engines and parts compared to the average collector. So I see a wider range of problems then the average bear. I am repairing on average 50 plus carburetors and ignition plates a year just from whats mailed to me at home for repair. And even more at shows. And the same can be said for seeing engines tore down and the troubles inside. JEES what am I doing here I just realised that I'm loosing money by recomending proper mixtures and the right oils so forget everything I've said in the past, run em 40-1 / 60-1 heck try 4000-1 mix that Dave recomends, lets see how long they run. Heck I hear that vegetable oil works well, Even used Veg oil lfrom McDonalds lets all try that. Then the smoke will smell like fries. GRINNNNN, NOT!! Happy Tagging all. Mark PS: For anyone in the area there is a nice show at Wellington, Ohio this weekend. Its called Lagrange Engine Club Show. See ya there, Mark At 07:57 AM 9/11/07, you wrote: >I think they are running them lean to get rid of all the foul smelling smoke. > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > >================= >>From: Mark Shulaw >> >> I know I sell pistons every year to fellows >>who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable to >>damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not worth the >>risk to run them lean. >> TTYL, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 11 07:56:33 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:56:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] European tour In-Reply-To: <46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Curt, Last year a couple people asked me if I'd consider leading a engine tour after they had heard about my two prior trips to visit collectors and shows in Europe. Harry Terpstra and I talked about it some and last winter decided we would try a small group and see how it went. We decided we could take 4 people with us, which would make us a group of 6 and fit comfortably in a 9 passenger van. During the Spring I routed out a 10 day tour which included the Neunen engine show and some of the best collections that we had previously visited in Holland, Germany, Switzerland, and Belgium. We also located some collections to visit that Harry and I had not been to previously. The four collectors that went with me were all from the west coast. Wayne Thackery, Lauren Langdon, Buzz Stetler, and Les Layton. Tommy Turner was originally one of the original four, but was unable to commit to going or not and gave up his slot to Les. During the 10 days, we spent part of 3 days at the Nuenen show which I consider to be the best engine show there is. It is an engine only show and I think they had around 700 engines. While the Portland show is certainly bigger, you don't see slide valves and other early and rare engines like you do at Neunen. Besides the engine show we averaged around 2 collections each day. These were basically all private collections and we only visited one public museum (the N. A. Otto birthplace). The collectors we visited all have very nice collections of what I consider to be high quality and rare engines. Meaning we saw a lot of sideshaft engines and a fair number of slide valve engines. This was very much a Hell on Wheels Tour! Most mornings we started out early, drove and visited collectors, had a late dinner, got to sleep around midnight. Then did the same the next day. I think we saw something like 21 or 22 collections, attended one show, had a private tour of a 350 year old brewery in Germany (which included pizza and all the beer we wanted to drink!), stopped to view the Rhein Falls, visited the red light district in Amsterdam (Wendel's tour probably doesn't do that ;-) ). This year I digitally video taped the Neunen show plus most of the collections we visited. I've been working on editing down the tapes to a reasonable amount of time to put on a DVD. At some point I'll probably offer this DVD for a low price. George Ps.. There are currently no plans of offering another tour (although I'm known to be impulsive and change my mind). I think part of the reason is that this tour was fantastic and better than originally planed, so it would be impossible to duplicate again. Besides I think we'd do some things different next time as well. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] I'm back again Hey George, welcome back. Tell us more about your European tour and hopefully you have some photos to share. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 09:08:46 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:08:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] European tour References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <004f01c7f48e$08c59b90$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> (Wendel's tour > probably doesn't do that ;-) ). AHahahahahaha !! ROTF . . . . . . . Welcome back George ! Chuck . From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 09:15:33 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:15:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Sunny, humid , and abandoned http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07011.htm From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 11 09:55:32 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:55:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bovaird & Seyfang aircooled vertical In-Reply-To: <004f01c7f48e$08c59b90$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <004f01c7f48e$08c59b90$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904706101@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I just bought a B&S hot tube engine like in the BYB/BRB page 62 upper right corner. This is my first hot tube engine, but luckily I know a few engine guys with hot tube experience that live only a couple miles from my place. So hopefully in a couple weeks (I'm busy this weekend) I can get them over and we'll try to run it. Unfortunately my engine is missing the tag so I don't know the serial number and haven't seen a number stamped on the engine any where. If anyone has photos or information on this type of engine I'd sure appreciate getting a copy. I'm also guessing this is a 5hp engine and would like to know how to determine if that is correct or not. Thanks. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 11 10:15:04 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:15:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Archives? In-Reply-To: <008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> <008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047061CD@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Does SEL have a search for recent postings? I know that the old SEL list, when it was on ATIS, had a seachable archive, but thought that feature went away a long time ago. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 11 11:11:10 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:11:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Jerry's Dog Message-ID: "The love and respect I had for my dog precludes me from getting a replacement for quite some time. I think that I owe him this for all the love, respect and good times between us." Jerry, I wouldhave sworn I felt the same - until our dear to us dog died last April. There are many things easier to do without a dog than with one (we are full-time RV'ers, living in our rig). With that in mind, we decided we would do without a dog for a while. That lasted three weeks. I've always believed what our very fine veterinarian told us some years ago - that if you have been good to your pet, she will send you another when she thinks you are ready. Maybe it was exactly because we had such good times and shared so much with our dog that it happened, but three weeks of no dog went by very, very slowly. Sure enough, Maggie's replacement, Kaia, came to us on May 9th. We feel very lucky to have her, and I truly believe she feels she's won the lottery. She was found living in a culvert, taking care of five pups that were not hers. Now the pups have homes, she has a home with people who care very much for her, and all the vet care, good food, and clean water she wants. In turn, we have a great little dog who is always on the alert for us. Don't close your mind automatically to another dog. When it happens, it will all be good. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft? Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 11 11:33:26 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:33:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates In-Reply-To: <008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> <008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <46E6DF76.8040201@imc-group.com> Chuck, Abandoned.......same as any other show day in the tractor area at Portland....... Curt Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Sunny, humid , and abandoned > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07011.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From kimmell at verizon.net Tue Sep 11 11:59:48 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:59:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> I'd run my old 60's Jacobsen mower on a 100:1 mix of Amsoil synthetic 2 stroke for 4-5 years and it never seemed to mind, so I tried it in a couple Maytags at 50:1. I've heard of people running Maytags on 100:1 Amsoil, but I'm not that brave. Besides, there's still hardly any smoke to speak of at 50:1 so why push it. -Tony At 08:54 AM 9/11/2007, you wrote: >Yes I understand that. The risk to no longer made original parts to have a >little bit less smoke is still to me not worth it. Smoke is just a part of >Maytaging. >And from what I've experianced if an engine is set up properly and the >internals of the engine are up to anywhere near snuff and the proper oil is >used at the right mix ratio the smoke is minimal with little risk to a >finite number of Expensive original parts left. Lets not forget that by >experimenting with oils and mixtures we are also putting rods, rings, >crankshafts and mainbearings at risk too. > I've just seen the internals of so many engines ruined due to improper >oil or the lack there of thats its not even funny. >Remember I see more then the average number of engines and parts compared >to the average collector. So I see a wider range of problems then the >average bear. I am repairing on average 50 plus carburetors and ignition >plates a year just from whats mailed to me at home for repair. And even >more at shows. And the same can be said for seeing engines tore down and >the troubles inside. > JEES what am I doing here I just realised that I'm loosing money by >recomending proper mixtures and the right oils so forget everything I've >said in the past, run em 40-1 / 60-1 heck try 4000-1 mix that Dave >recomends, lets see how long they run. Heck I hear that vegetable oil works >well, Even used Veg oil lfrom McDonalds lets all try that. Then the smoke >will smell like fries. GRINNNNN, NOT!! > Happy Tagging all. Mark > >PS: For anyone in the area there is a nice show at Wellington, Ohio this >weekend. Its called Lagrange Engine Club Show. See ya there, Mark > >At 07:57 AM 9/11/07, you wrote: > >I think they are running them lean to get rid of all the foul > smelling smoke. > > > >Luke Tonneberger > >Rockford, Michigan > >USA > > > >================= > >>From: Mark Shulaw > >> > >> I know I sell pistons every year to fellows > >>who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable to > >>damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not worth the > >>risk to run them lean. > >> TTYL, Mark > >Mark & Christine Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > >Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >Parts lists available on request. > >Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >No Sunday calls if possible. >I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent >them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and >hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 12:22:06 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:22:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates In-Reply-To: <46E6DF76.8040201@imc-group.com> References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> <008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <46E6DF76.8040201@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160709111222r140a82edkf0ed28296af523fe@mail.gmail.com> On 11/09/2007, Curt wrote: > Chuck, > Abandoned.......same as any other show day in the tractor area at > Portland....... > Curt Just an observation on our part: This was our fourth Portland trip, and although the costs get higher every year, the combination of the show itself, meeting up with friends and the Charity Dinner and Auction all go to make it a worthwhile effort which we all enjoyed. Sheila and Rita enjoyed meeting up with the Evil One (who was his usual charming self!) and the other friends we met with, and both thoroughly enjoyed the three days. No complaints from any of us! The 40th Anniversary show didn't seem to have as many folks as the 2003 show, but it always has to be taken in context; which day?, what time of day? and so on. It certainly wasn't crowded this year, but bearing in mind the awful weather and the traffic problems on I75 in the days before the show, they did well to pull in what they did. The last day for us was the Friday, and the car park was almost full up when we got in about 11.30, so there was a lot more people there that day. We are making bookings for next year as soon as we can get the schedules available. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Sep 11 12:28:50 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:28:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <46E6EC72.3040400@scrtc.com> If you run a Maytag, make that baby SMOKE!! What other excitement are you going to get out of it? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I'd run my old 60's Jacobsen mower on a 100:1 mix of Amsoil synthetic >2 stroke for 4-5 years and it never seemed to mind, so I tried it in >a couple Maytags at 50:1. I've heard of people running Maytags on >100:1 Amsoil, but I'm not that brave. Besides, there's still hardly >any smoke to speak of at 50:1 so why push it. > >-Tony > > > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Sep 11 13:19:21 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:19:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <000c01c7f3fc$d960b3d0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: The thing about these modern synthetic two-stroke oils that recommend very lean mixtures is that those mixtures are for engines designed to run with them, that have rather better oil distribution to the moving parts, and commonly they also have needle bearings. They don't work so well in old Maytags. I've tried some synthetic oil a List member at Portland gave me at 70:1, I think, and quickly started hearing squeaking bearings. Went back to my 16:1 outboard oil and never had another problem. I like smoke, anyway. That's much of the fun of running a Maytag. It's the way it was originally done, and it's the way it's supposed to be. Why would you buy an old musket and try to figure out how to shoot it with smokeless powder? Same deal. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Sep 11 13:32:05 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:32:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <000c01c7f3fc$d960b3d0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <46E6FB45.6060209@scrtc.com> Like I said John: If you run a Maytag, make that baby SMOKE!! What other excitement are you going to get out of it? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >The thing about these modern synthetic two-stroke oils that recommend >very lean mixtures is that those mixtures are for engines designed to >run with them, that have rather better oil distribution to the moving >parts, and commonly they also have needle bearings. They don't work so >well in old Maytags. I've tried some synthetic oil a List member at >Portland gave me at 70:1, I think, and quickly started hearing >squeaking bearings. Went back to my 16:1 outboard oil and never had >another problem. I like smoke, anyway. That's much of the fun of >running a Maytag. It's the way it was originally done, and it's the way >it's supposed to be. Why would you buy an old musket and try to figure >out how to shoot it with smokeless powder? Same deal. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 11 14:12:40 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:12:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <000c01c7f3fc$d960b3d0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <46E704C8.7040106@imc-group.com> John Culp wrote: > ....Why would you buy an old musket....? To use it to put a Maytag out of its' misery! Curt From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 14:18:54 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <46E6FB45.6060209@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <155095.45709.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, Tommy, You said that twice now,,,, So I will tell you. 8>)) I ran my Shotgun Maytag for two years and it was the funny looks and comments from spec-taters that made it fun. My "Shotgun" is a piece of aluminum tent pole painted black mounted to an early Mouser stock with a couple hand made brass bands. The "Shotgun" was mounted on a pipe stand so the end of the barrel was about seven feet in the air. I would have people walk straight up to the gun and tell me they heard that all the way across the grounds and they just HAD TO come see what it was. If you knew the Buckley show grounds,,,, You would know what he was talking about. A third year I couldn't do because that cracking gun was too much. This year I saw another guy with a wanna-be Shotgun Maytag at the Buckley show. It looked like a band saw had cut that stock out of a plank. It was laying on the ground and I never saw or heard the engine run. Next year my Maytag will be back, but it will be mounted under a washer and I will either use the reproduction ball muffler or run the exhaust into an old brass fire extinguisher. I also will have a twin there belted to an eight quart ice cream machine in an old Radio Rocket wagon from the 50s. I don't think I need to tell you why that will be exciting !!!! 8>))) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Like I said John: If you run a Maytag, make that baby SMOKE!! What other excitement are you going to get out of it? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 14:24:12 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Archives? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047061CD@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <777199.14529.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey George, Go right back to the page you used to sign back up. Then click of the link to SEL Archives. You also cold just hit the link at the bottom of this message the click on SEL Archives I like the way they are laid out. HTH Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan "Best, George" wrote: Does SEL have a search for recent postings? I know that the old SEL list, when it was on ATIS, had a seachable archive, but thought that feature went away a long time ago. --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 11 14:38:33 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:38:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Archives? In-Reply-To: <777199.14529.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047061CD@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <777199.14529.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047328A6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Thanks!! Guess I should have looked before posting. :-) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:24 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Archives? Hey George, Go right back to the page you used to sign back up. Then click of the link to SEL Archives. You also cold just hit the link at the bottom of this message the click on SEL Archives I like the way they are laid out. HTH Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Sep 11 15:07:48 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:07:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <155095.45709.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <155095.45709.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46E711B4.8020609@scrtc.com> Alan, Now thats the kind of Maytag I like to see! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alan Bowen wrote: >Yup, Tommy, >You said that twice now,,,, >So I will tell you. 8>)) > >I ran my Shotgun Maytag for two years and it was the funny looks and comments from spec-taters that made it fun. My "Shotgun" is a piece of aluminum tent pole painted black mounted to an early Mouser stock with a couple hand made brass bands. The "Shotgun" was mounted on a pipe stand so the end of the barrel was about seven feet in the air. I would have people walk straight up to the gun and tell me they heard that all the way across the grounds and they just HAD TO come see what it was. If you knew the Buckley show grounds,,,, You would know what he was talking about. >A third year I couldn't do because that cracking gun was too much. > >This year I saw another guy with a wanna-be Shotgun Maytag at the Buckley show. It looked like a band saw had cut that stock out of a plank. It was laying on the ground and I never saw or heard the engine run. > >Next year my Maytag will be back, but it will be mounted under a washer and I will either use the reproduction ball muffler or run the exhaust into an old brass fire extinguisher. I also will have a twin there belted to an eight quart ice cream machine in an old Radio Rocket wagon from the 50s. > >I don't think I need to tell you why that will be exciting !!!! 8>))) > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 11 15:18:52 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:18:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <155095.45709.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <011c01c7f4c1$c0707750$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> << I also will have a twin there belted to an eight quart ice cream machine in an old Radio Rocket wagon from the 50s. > > I don't think I need to tell you why that will be exciting !!!! 8>)))>> Oil flavored Ice cream! Hmmmm, Naah , never catch on!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! > Yup, Tommy, > You said that twice now,,,, > So I will tell you. 8>)) > > I ran my Shotgun Maytag for two years and it was the funny looks and > comments from spec-taters that made it fun. My "Shotgun" is a piece of > aluminum tent pole painted black mounted to an early Mouser stock with a > couple hand made brass bands. The "Shotgun" was mounted on a pipe stand so > the end of the barrel was about seven feet in the air. I would have > people walk straight up to the gun and tell me they heard that all the way > across the grounds and they just HAD TO come see what it was. If you > knew the Buckley show grounds,,,, You would know what he was talking > about. > A third year I couldn't do because that cracking gun was too much. > > This year I saw another guy with a wanna-be Shotgun Maytag at the Buckley > show. It looked like a band saw had cut that stock out of a plank. It was > laying on the ground and I never saw or heard the engine run. > > Next year my Maytag will be back, but it will be mounted under a washer > and I will either use the reproduction ball muffler or run the exhaust > into an old brass fire extinguisher.> > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 15:33:06 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:33:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com><008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><46E6DF76.8040201@imc-group.com> <6f6025160709111222r140a82edkf0ed28296af523fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00d401c7f4c3$b9a66b80$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I was making the observation that tractorland was empty . You could have snapped that at dawn and a half while all the gummers were still in bed . But it is as I would I expect to see all day , only interupted by the occasional WHACK of a pecan off freshly rubbed carnuba* on Imron . I wanna thank you for taking the time , and it was considerable , to share all those photos . And as for the unkown and unclaimed , this one is a LUTZ and oohhh does it have a story to tell http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07217.htm Chuck * Painstakingly scraped from the leaves of the carnuba palm . From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 11 16:21:16 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:21:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <46E711B4.8020609@scrtc.com> References: <155095.45709.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46E711B4.8020609@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <960512D7-DC55-48E4-9198-8D98EB68A6C8@alltel.net> Wonder Alan got the noise out of it? Tis a MYSTERY! Dave On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Alan, > Now thats the kind of Maytag I like to see! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Alan Bowen wrote: > >> Yup, Tommy, >> You said that twice now,,,, >> So I will tell you. 8>)) >> >> I ran my Shotgun Maytag for two years and it was the funny looks >> and comments from spec-taters that made it fun. My "Shotgun" is a >> piece of aluminum tent pole painted black mounted to an early >> Mouser stock with a couple hand made brass bands. The "Shotgun" >> was mounted on a pipe stand so the end of the barrel was about >> seven feet in the air. I would have people walk straight up to >> the gun and tell me they heard that all the way across the grounds >> and they just HAD TO come see what it was. If you knew the >> Buckley show grounds,,,, You would know what he was talking about. >> A third year I couldn't do because that cracking gun was too much. >> >> This year I saw another guy with a wanna-be Shotgun Maytag at the >> Buckley show. It looked like a band saw had cut that stock out of >> a plank. It was laying on the ground and I never saw or heard the >> engine run. >> >> Next year my Maytag will be back, but it will be mounted under a >> washer and I will either use the reproduction ball muffler or run >> the exhaust into an old brass fire extinguisher. I also will have >> a twin there belted to an eight quart ice cream machine in an old >> Radio Rocket wagon from the 50s. >> >> I don't think I need to tell you why that will be exciting !!!! >> 8>))) >> >> Alan Bowen >> Williamsburg, Michigan >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanwh at iinet.net.au Tue Sep 11 16:14:58 2007 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:14:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corryong Rally In-Reply-To: <20070903115632.GSIP22867.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <090320071150.21719.46DBF4F2000B805D000054D7219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <20070903115632.GSIP22867.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002101c7f4c9$94824e40$6f01a8c0@main> http://alanwh.maclenet.com/Engines/corryong%2007/index.html Some pic from a rally held at Corryong on the weekend Alan Wheaton Wagga Wagga http://alanwh.maclenet.com/Engines/Index.html other engine shows From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 16:22:07 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:22:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <155095.45709.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <011c01c7f4c1$c0707750$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00dd01c7f4ca$9260b150$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > << I also will have a twin there belted to an eight quart ice cream > machine > in an old Radio Rocket wagon from the 50s. >> >> I don't think I need to tell you why that will be exciting !!!! 8>)))>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My fave was a single I bolted ontop of a big squirrel cage blower . The oil tainted breeze in the 100 degree shade was quite popular . From luke at apexbuildingsystems.com Tue Sep 11 16:58:54 2007 From: luke at apexbuildingsystems.com (Luke Franks) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:58:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corryong Rally In-Reply-To: <002101c7f4c9$94824e40$6f01a8c0@main> References: <090320071150.21719.46DBF4F2000B805D000054D7219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <20070903115632.GSIP22867.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c7f4c9$94824e40$6f01a8c0@main> Message-ID: <425B2DE2-6B60-4F61-8F8F-F77F1158C0DF@apexbuildingsystems.com> Thanks for the pictures Alan. Looks like a really nice site for a rally. I am looking forward to our Sydney Antique Machinery Club annual "Clarendon Classic" rally this coming weekend. Sounds like we will have a big turn out judging by the calls we have received so far. Luke Franks Kurrajong NSW Australia On 12/09/2007, at 9:14 AM, Alan wrote: > > http://alanwh.maclenet.com/Engines/corryong%2007/index.html > > Some pic from a rally held at Corryong on the weekend > > Alan Wheaton > Wagga Wagga > > http://alanwh.maclenet.com/Engines/Index.html > > other engine shows > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Sep 11 18:53:04 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:53:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2007 picture updates In-Reply-To: <00d401c7f4c3$b9a66b80$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <200709120153.l8C1rQ1A072877@mail-gw.fsr.net> Welllll. Please do tell the story. :-) Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:33 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates I was making the observation that tractorland was empty . You could have snapped that at dawn and a half while all the gummers were still in bed . But it is as I would I expect to see all day , only interupted by the occasional WHACK of a pecan off freshly rubbed carnuba* on Imron . I wanna thank you for taking the time , and it was considerable , to share all those photos . And as for the unkown and unclaimed , this one is a LUTZ and oohhh does it have a story to tell http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07217.htm Chuck * Painstakingly scraped from the leaves of the carnuba palm . From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Sep 11 20:12:30 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:12:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Tony, I've heard a lot of good talk about synthetics. I've just never been brave enough to try them. I wish I had the time and money to really put some diffferent oils thru the true test of a engine under load for gallons of fuel. To do like that fellow did a few years back just for the heck of it where he run 50 gallons of fuel thru a Maytag. But in this case to test in a controlled situation different oils and mixtures. But this is only something a corperation can afford to do. TTYL, Mark At 02:59 PM 9/11/07, you wrote: >I'd run my old 60's Jacobsen mower on a 100:1 mix of Amsoil synthetic >2 stroke for 4-5 years and it never seemed to mind, so I tried it in >a couple Maytags at 50:1. I've heard of people running Maytags on >100:1 Amsoil, but I'm not that brave. Besides, there's still hardly >any smoke to speak of at 50:1 so why push it. > >-Tony > > >At 08:54 AM 9/11/2007, you wrote: > >Yes I understand that. The risk to no longer made original parts to have a > >little bit less smoke is still to me not worth it. Smoke is just a part of > >Maytaging. > >And from what I've experianced if an engine is set up properly and the > >internals of the engine are up to anywhere near snuff and the proper oil is > >used at the right mix ratio the smoke is minimal with little risk to a > >finite number of Expensive original parts left. Lets not forget that by > >experimenting with oils and mixtures we are also putting rods, rings, > >crankshafts and mainbearings at risk too. > > I've just seen the internals of so many engines ruined due to improper > >oil or the lack there of thats its not even funny. > >Remember I see more then the average number of engines and parts compared > >to the average collector. So I see a wider range of problems then the > >average bear. I am repairing on average 50 plus carburetors and ignition > >plates a year just from whats mailed to me at home for repair. And even > >more at shows. And the same can be said for seeing engines tore down and > >the troubles inside. > > JEES what am I doing here I just realised that I'm loosing money by > >recomending proper mixtures and the right oils so forget everything I've > >said in the past, run em 40-1 / 60-1 heck try 4000-1 mix that Dave > >recomends, lets see how long they run. Heck I hear that vegetable oil works > >well, Even used Veg oil lfrom McDonalds lets all try that. Then the smoke > >will smell like fries. GRINNNNN, NOT!! > > Happy Tagging all. Mark > > > >PS: For anyone in the area there is a nice show at Wellington, Ohio this > >weekend. Its called Lagrange Engine Club Show. See ya there, Mark > > > >At 07:57 AM 9/11/07, you wrote: > > >I think they are running them lean to get rid of all the foul > > smelling smoke. > > > > > >Luke Tonneberger > > >Rockford, Michigan > > >USA > > > > > >================= > > >>From: Mark Shulaw > > >> > > >> I know I sell pistons every year to fellows > > >>who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable to > > >>damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not > worth the > > >>risk to run them lean. > > >> TTYL, Mark > > > >Mark & Christine Shulaw > >454 Co. Rd. 33 > >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > >Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > >Parts lists available on request. > > > >Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > >No Sunday calls if possible. > >I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > >them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > >hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 11 21:03:03 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:03:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A Passing In-Reply-To: <20070909101128.MZPW11359.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20070912040250.UHOX5386.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Many thanks to all those who have expressed such kind words (both on and off list) and shared their memories of their beloved companions. It only reinforces what a great bunch of people engine people are. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 05:14:15 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! OT Amsoil In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <852645.54402.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amsoil is the BEST. Right now my 1995 Ford Aerostar is just a peppy as ever. 215,000 + miles and all but the first two years it has been lubed by Amsoil. Yes, It does cost about double when the oil is changed. The oil only gets changed once a year though. Figure out the saving there,,,, 8>)) Another option is never changing your oil,,,, A friend of mine went that route. He changes his filter twice a year and sends a sample of his oil to be analyzed once a year. That same Amsoil has been in his truck for 3 1/2 years now. For either of options use Amsoil oil filters. They are built to last longer. I will ask my up-link Amsoil distributor about that Maytag 50 to 1 idea. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Mark Shulaw wrote: Hi Tony, I've heard a lot of good talk about synthetics. I've just never been brave enough to try them. I wish I had the time and money to really put some diffferent oils thru the true test of a engine under load for gallons of fuel. To do like that fellow did a few years back just for the heck of it where he run 50 gallons of fuel thru a Maytag. But in this case to test in a controlled situation different oils and mixtures. But this is only something a corperation can afford to do. TTYL, Mark At 02:59 PM 9/11/07, you wrote: >I'd run my old 60's Jacobsen mower on a 100:1 mix of Amsoil synthetic >2 stroke for 4-5 years and it never seemed to mind, so I tried it in >a couple Maytags at 50:1. I've heard of people running Maytags on >100:1 Amsoil, but I'm not that brave. Besides, there's still hardly >any smoke to speak of at 50:1 so why push it. > >-Tony > --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 12 07:00:33 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:00:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] LUTZ engine References: <200709120153.l8C1rQ1A072877@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <002501c7f545$4a218dd0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Welllll. Please do tell the story. > Orrin >> > And as for the unkown and unclaimed , this one is a LUTZ and oohhh does it > have a story to tell > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07217.htm Chuck Another SEL member worked on the restoration and recalled the specifics some time back , and he might pipe up again . In his stead I will say it was a mechanical genius inventor guy named Luttz cast the whole thing himself and built it from scratch to use in his workshop . And use it he did ...... for nearly 40 years , showing great wear in all components . " How cool is that ? " Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Sep 12 07:59:48 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:59:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nelson Bros Engines/ United connection?? Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070912103552.02efec70@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Ya'll, Border Bob and I have been working under the impression that what I have is a Nelson built engine. Model B . But it sure looks like the United on page 521 top right of the BYB. The main diff I can see from the pics is, mine uses a vert ignitor bolt pattern with an oval opening and no sub base. I'm wanting to kickstart this project now. Its 3 3/4" bore X 4"? stroke 18" flywheels. Any help is appreciated. The blurb page 521 says that they jobbered a lot of engines like the tag on my engines skid suggests. I'm off to Wellington for the weekend. TTya'll when I get back. Mark http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel1.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel2.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel3.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel4.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel6.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel7.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel8.jpg Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 12 08:16:03 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:16:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! Message-ID: <20070912.113242.640.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Alan & Tommy, I see you are talking about a Maytag Shotgun. I've had one at the shows for about 5 years. take a look on my site under My First Engine & Other Toys. All the way down there is a pic on my Maytag Shotgun. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 12 09:32:21 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:32:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't want to use a belt pulley on it. I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I find replacement crankshaft instead? What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the crankshaft. Press the extention piece in. Weld the seam. Then clean up the joint in the lathe. Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Sep 12 09:34:37 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:34:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nelson Bros Engines/ United connection?? Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070912121949.02ef4460@pop3.wcoil.com> I just looked at Teds Ignitor home page and the ignitor I have for this engine identifies it as Nelson and or Bluffton of 1910 vintage. so Nelson maybe sold engines to United??? Or what? The similarities between my Nelson and the United is so striking. Does anyone have a Nelson like what uses the ignitor pictured? Heres the ignitor shown on Teds page. Mark http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-nelson-vert-mount.jpg Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 12 11:53:44 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:53:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <46E835B8.4040409@imc-group.com> George, The vast majority of crankshafts are made of 4340 material. What you describe would work but perhaps is overly complicated. since you are only trying to accomplish crankshaft extension you aren't trying to get it so exact that it needs to line up dead true with another bearing for example. You want it straight enough to accommodate the flat belt pulley. Have you considered putting a full chamfer on the end of the crankshaft and on the end of the extending piece, and then clamping the two together using a good piece of angle iron. I'd have to look it up in the welding books but I think the proper preheat temp for 4340 is around 800? F. Then tack weld, continue preheat, and then work around as you fill the chamfer in until you are filled in. Another derivation would be to use a larger diameter piece steel for the extending piece. Also make it an inch or two longer than you will need. Chamfer on the end you will be welding and go ahead and add a center to the other end. Nest and clamp the crankshaft and extension as above to a piece of angle, but you'll have to add some shims under the crankshaft to match the diameter of the larger extension piece. Preheat and weld. Once cooled you can chuck and use the new center on the tail stock end. Then you can turn the diameter of the extension and the weld even with the rest of the crankshaft. A little hand filing and blending and you'll be the only one who knows the story the crankshaft could tell of the night Lorena Bobbitt got a hold of it. Curt * * Best, George wrote: > I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the > crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't > want to use a belt pulley on it. > > I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I > find replacement crankshaft instead? > > What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and > true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. > Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the > crankshaft. > Press the extention piece in. > Weld the seam. > Then clean up the joint in the lathe. > > Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 12 12:00:53 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:00:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: > Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? It would seem to depend on what you are going to attach to the "extended portion of the shaft and what speed you will be running it at. Dave From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 12:10:25 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <20070912.113242.640.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <285238.95875.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, Joe, That stock looks very nice, but a bit too new for me. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1144175528046489516oTGARd I haven't had mine set up since I've had a digital camera. How have you been able to tolerate that noise for five years? Do you run it all day? The Maytag single that I was using is so easy to start the last year I had the shotgun at Buckley anytime someone came by and wanted to see it fire I made then start the engine. It took a little coaxing for some of the gals, but at that time I would just tell them my 8 year old daughter can start it, just put your foot on that pedal and step down hard. Then I always told them to shut that racket off before you leave. 8>)) Lots of folks got to learn how easy it is to start and stop a Maytag. Kinda strange how that gun got damaged on the way home that year. 8>))))) Alan Bowen jlb94 at juno.com wrote: Hi Alan & Tommy, I see you are talking about a Maytag Shotgun. I've had one at the shows for about 5 years. take a look on my site under My First Engine & Other Toys. All the way down there is a pic on my Maytag Shotgun. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 12:36:16 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:36:16 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160709121236g1d8e7592l1454cdb61d26d9e1@mail.gmail.com> On 12/09/2007, Best, George wrote: > I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the > crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't > want to use a belt pulley on it. For some reason, the Ruston & Hornsby crankshafts seem overly wide, making our engine as wide as it is long, and there are two that I know of that have had the shafts cut shorter by up to 6" a side and faced off. Regarding extending it again, the popular way over here is to bore and tap the end of the crankshaft within a stepped hole and face to use as a register, then make up the piece accurately to screw into that thread and tighten up to the register face. Welding is an option, but if you loctite the thread and if it is made accurately, that will last as long as the engine. The R&H 1ZHR crankshaft is 2-5/8" diameter at the flywheel mountings. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 12 12:38:42 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:38:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475C4C6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Dave, It would be mostly for looks and I'd possibly put a pulley on it at some point but don't know that it would ever be belted up to anything. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:01 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? It would seem to depend on what you are going to attach to the "extended portion of the shaft and what speed you will be running it at. Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 12 13:18:03 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:18:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <46E835B8.4040409@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E835B8.4040409@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <46E8497B.4080207@imc-group.com> George, I'd need to correct the temperature range as I remembered incorrectly. 400 to 450?F is sufficient for 4340 material. Curt Curt wrote: > George, > The vast majority of crankshafts are made of 4340 material. What you > describe would work but perhaps is overly complicated. since you are > only trying to accomplish crankshaft extension you aren't trying to get > it so exact that it needs to line up dead true with another bearing for > example. You want it straight enough to accommodate the flat belt pulley. > Have you considered putting a full chamfer on the end of the crankshaft > and on the end of the extending piece, and then clamping the two > together using a good piece of angle iron. I'd have to look it up in the > welding books but I think the proper preheat temp for 4340 is around > 800? F. Then tack weld, continue preheat, and then work around as you > fill the chamfer in until you are filled in. > > Another derivation would be to use a larger diameter piece steel for the > extending piece. Also make it an inch or two longer than you will need. > Chamfer on the end you will be welding and go ahead and add a center to > the other end. Nest and clamp the crankshaft and extension as above to a > piece of angle, but you'll have to add some shims under the crankshaft > to match the diameter of the larger extension piece. Preheat and weld. > Once cooled you can chuck and use the new center on the tail stock end. > Then you can turn the diameter of the extension and the weld even with > the rest of the crankshaft. A little hand filing and blending and you'll > be the only one who knows the story the crankshaft could tell of the > night Lorena Bobbitt got a hold of it. > Curt > * > * > Best, George wrote: > >> I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the >> crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't >> want to use a belt pulley on it. >> >> I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I >> find replacement crankshaft instead? >> >> What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and >> true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. >> Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the >> crankshaft. >> Press the extention piece in. >> Weld the seam. >> Then clean up the joint in the lathe. >> >> Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Sep 12 14:14:11 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:14:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending Message-ID: <20070912.141412.904.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi George. Either the way you suggest of the recommendation of Peter Forbes would work well. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 12 15:05:06 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:05:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475C4C6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475C4C6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, Then your "fix" is a good one! Dave On Sep 12, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Best, George wrote: > Dave, > > It would be mostly for looks and I'd possibly put a pulley on it at > some > point but don't know that it would ever be belted up to anything. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:01 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > > >> Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? > > It would seem to depend on what you are going to attach to the > "extended > portion of the shaft and what speed you will be running it at. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and > delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 12 15:06:32 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:06:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <46E8497B.4080207@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E835B8.4040409@imc-group.com> <46E8497B.4080207@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <2AE7FBF9-E8B5-436A-BFBD-F29BF2C77E20@alltel.net> Damn Curt, You are not usually that far off! Dave On Sep 12, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Curt wrote: > George, > I'd need to correct the temperature range as I remembered incorrectly. > 400 to 450?F is sufficient for 4340 material. > Curt > > Curt wrote: >> George, >> The vast majority of crankshafts are made of 4340 material. What you >> describe would work but perhaps is overly complicated. since you are >> only trying to accomplish crankshaft extension you aren't trying >> to get >> it so exact that it needs to line up dead true with another >> bearing for >> example. You want it straight enough to accommodate the flat belt >> pulley. >> Have you considered putting a full chamfer on the end of the >> crankshaft >> and on the end of the extending piece, and then clamping the two >> together using a good piece of angle iron. I'd have to look it up >> in the >> welding books but I think the proper preheat temp for 4340 is around >> 800? F. Then tack weld, continue preheat, and then work around as you >> fill the chamfer in until you are filled in. >> >> Another derivation would be to use a larger diameter piece steel >> for the >> extending piece. Also make it an inch or two longer than you will >> need. >> Chamfer on the end you will be welding and go ahead and add a >> center to >> the other end. Nest and clamp the crankshaft and extension as >> above to a >> piece of angle, but you'll have to add some shims under the >> crankshaft >> to match the diameter of the larger extension piece. Preheat and >> weld. >> Once cooled you can chuck and use the new center on the tail stock >> end. >> Then you can turn the diameter of the extension and the weld even >> with >> the rest of the crankshaft. A little hand filing and blending and >> you'll >> be the only one who knows the story the crankshaft could tell of the >> night Lorena Bobbitt got a hold of it. >> Curt >> * >> * >> Best, George wrote: >> >>> I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the >>> crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they >>> didn't >>> want to use a belt pulley on it. >>> >>> I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or >>> should I >>> find replacement crankshaft instead? >>> >>> What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe >>> and >>> true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. >>> Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the >>> crankshaft. >>> Press the extention piece in. >>> Weld the seam. >>> Then clean up the joint in the lathe. >>> >>> Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >>> the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>> confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >>> recipient or an authorized representative of the intended >>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this >>> communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>> communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail >>> and delete the message and any attachments from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 12 15:15:06 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:15:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <002201c7f58a$638a52d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> George ,some years ago a friend and I restored a 1904 portable steam engine http://www.steamengine.com.au/steam/restore/arthur/index.html The original owners had gas axed the crankshaft and dropped the large flywheel so that they could drag it through the bush to create a track. We shrunk an extension on to the shaft......using dry ice and heat .Still running and you can not see where this repair occurred. It may be a bit ''over the top'' for your application but it is one way of doing it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:32 AM Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the > crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't > want to use a belt pulley on it. > > I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I > find replacement crankshaft instead? > > What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and > true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. > Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the > crankshaft. > Press the extention piece in. > Weld the seam. > Then clean up the joint in the lathe. > > Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 15:27:56 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <864923.69769.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure,,, Then if the next guy is like me he will see that pulley and start looking for what he can run with that engine. Of course if your welding job is done right with the addition of that internal pin that should be a pretty strong shaft extension. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan David Rotigel wrote: George, Then your "fix" is a good one! Dave On Sep 12, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Best, George wrote: > Dave, > > It would be mostly for looks and I'd possibly put a pulley on it at > some > point but don't know that it would ever be belted up to anything. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:01 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > > >> Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? > > It would seem to depend on what you are going to attach to the > "extended > portion of the shaft and what speed you will be running it at. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. 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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 12 16:17:30 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:17:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending References: <864923.69769.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013401c7f593$192a03d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Another approach is to mount the pulley on the flywheel spokes. (As a lot of makers did) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > Sure,,, > Then if the next guy is like me he will see that pulley and start looking > for what he can run with that engine. > Of course if your welding job is done right with the addition of that > internal pin that should be a pretty strong shaft extension. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > David Rotigel wrote: > George, Then your "fix" is a good one! > Dave > > > On Sep 12, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Best, George wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> It would be mostly for looks and I'd possibly put a pulley on it at >> some >> point but don't know that it would ever be belted up to anything. >> >> George >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:01 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending >> >> >>> Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? >> >> It would seem to depend on what you are going to attach to the >> "extended >> portion of the shaft and what speed you will be running it at. >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >> the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >> confidential. 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Autos. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 16:29:57 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:29:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20070912233000.4059F9E7C6B@mx-in01.iad.mail-abuse.org> Hi George, what brand engine is it? I take it, that there is no flywheel with key and keyway to complicate matters. Cya @ Woodland Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:32 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't want to use a belt pulley on it. I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I find replacement crankshaft instead? What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the crankshaft. Press the extention piece in. Weld the seam. Then clean up the joint in the lathe. Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Sep 12 17:10:40 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:10:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <20070912.113242.640.1.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20070912.113242.640.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <46E88000.3050406@scrtc.com> Joe, I like how you've got the shotgun mounted on the stand at about shoulder (shooting) height. I've seen a few other shotgun maytags with the gun almost on the ground. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Hi Alan & Tommy, > >I see you are talking about a Maytag Shotgun. > >I've had one at the shows for about 5 years. > >take a look on my site under My First Engine & Other Toys. > >All the way down there is a pic on my Maytag Shotgun. > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything > (_o_) except how to refold it". >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Sep 12 17:12:58 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:12:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com> George, Did they cut it off so that the flywheel won't fit back on the shaft? If not, is there a reason you want it longer (to mount a pulley?). The reason I ask is that many engine builders didn't extend the c/s much beyond the hubs. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Best, George wrote: >I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the >crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't >want to use a belt pulley on it. > >I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I >find replacement crankshaft instead? > >What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and >true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. >Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the >crankshaft. >Press the extention piece in. >Weld the seam. >Then clean up the joint in the lathe. > >Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? > > >This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 12 17:27:14 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:27:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <30561D14-9559-4671-A7B8-E68ECCE96659@alltel.net> My doG Tommy, even I will not respond to your question! Dave On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > George, > is there a reason you want it longer? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Best, George wrote: > >> I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the >> crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they >> didn't >> want to use a belt pulley on it. >> >> I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I >> find replacement crankshaft instead? >> >> What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and >> true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. >> Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the >> crankshaft. >> Press the extention piece in. >> Weld the seam. >> Then clean up the joint in the lathe. >> >> Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >> the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >> confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >> recipient or an authorized representative of the intended >> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >> communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and >> delete the message and any attachments from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Sep 12 17:40:18 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:40:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <30561D14-9559-4671-A7B8-E68ECCE96659@alltel.net> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com> <30561D14-9559-4671-A7B8-E68ECCE96659@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46E886F2.8060107@scrtc.com> Well, maybe to get rid of the nickname "stumpy"?. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY David Rotigel wrote: >My doG Tommy, even I will not respond to your question! > Dave > >On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>George, >> is there a reason you want it longer? >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>Best, George wrote: >> >> >> >>>I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the >>>crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they >>>didn't >>>want to use a belt pulley on it. >>> >>>I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I >>>find replacement crankshaft instead? >>> >>>What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and >>>true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. >>>Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the >>>crankshaft. >>>Press the extention piece in. >>>Weld the seam. >>>Then clean up the joint in the lathe. >>> >>>Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? >>> >>> >>>This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >>>the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>>confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >>>recipient or an authorized representative of the intended >>>recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this >>>communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>>communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and >>>delete the message and any attachments from your system. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 10:58:52 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:58:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20070913015258.3B3F5392452@mx-in04.iad.mail-abuse.org> George, how common is the engine? Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:32 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't want to use a belt pulley on it. I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I find replacement crankshaft instead? What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the crankshaft. Press the extention piece in. Weld the seam. Then clean up the joint in the lathe. Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Wed Sep 12 19:06:49 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:06:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Mark, I've run the Amsoil in at least 7-8 singles and a couple twins and have never had a problem with it. One of the singles I have had for at least 10 years now, and have been running it on Amsoil for the last 5. No squeaky bearings. I had the main bearing housing off of it a couple months ago and the bearings look fine. I know there are a lot of people who won't give Amsoil the time of day, but it is some pretty amazing stuff. A friend now has 65,000 miles on his last oil change with Amsoil. Oil analysis said it's still good to go! -Tony At 10:12 PM 9/11/2007, you wrote: >Hi Tony, > I've heard a lot of good talk about synthetics. I've just never been >brave enough to try them. I wish I had the time and money to really put >some diffferent oils thru the true test of a engine under load for gallons >of fuel. To do like that fellow did a few years back just for the heck of >it where he run 50 gallons of fuel thru a Maytag. But in this case to >test in a controlled situation different oils and mixtures. But this is >only something a corperation can afford to do. > TTYL, Mark From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 12 19:08:48 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:08:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <006301c7f5ab$06553a50$92d14c0c@D48VHZ61> I was thinking about that same thing. Wasn't there a write-up in GEM back in the late '80's on that "experiment". Seems gas cost less than a buck back then. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! > Hi Tony, > I've heard a lot of good talk about synthetics. I've just never been > brave enough to try them. I wish I had the time and money to really put > some diffferent oils thru the true test of a engine under load for gallons > of fuel. To do like that fellow did a few years back just for the heck of > it where he run 50 gallons of fuel thru a Maytag. But in this case to > test in a controlled situation different oils and mixtures. But this is > only something a corperation can afford to do. > TTYL, Mark > > At 02:59 PM 9/11/07, you wrote: >>I'd run my old 60's Jacobsen mower on a 100:1 mix of Amsoil synthetic >>2 stroke for 4-5 years and it never seemed to mind, so I tried it in >>a couple Maytags at 50:1. I've heard of people running Maytags on >>100:1 Amsoil, but I'm not that brave. Besides, there's still hardly >>any smoke to speak of at 50:1 so why push it. >> >>-Tony >> >> >>At 08:54 AM 9/11/2007, you wrote: >> >Yes I understand that. The risk to no longer made original parts to >> >have a >> >little bit less smoke is still to me not worth it. Smoke is just a part >> >of >> >Maytaging. >> >And from what I've experianced if an engine is set up properly and the >> >internals of the engine are up to anywhere near snuff and the proper oil >> >is >> >used at the right mix ratio the smoke is minimal with little risk to a >> >finite number of Expensive original parts left. Lets not forget that by >> >experimenting with oils and mixtures we are also putting rods, rings, >> >crankshafts and mainbearings at risk too. >> > I've just seen the internals of so many engines ruined due to >> > improper >> >oil or the lack there of thats its not even funny. >> >Remember I see more then the average number of engines and parts >> >compared >> >to the average collector. So I see a wider range of problems then the >> >average bear. I am repairing on average 50 plus carburetors and >> >ignition >> >plates a year just from whats mailed to me at home for repair. And even >> >more at shows. And the same can be said for seeing engines tore down and >> >the troubles inside. >> > JEES what am I doing here I just realised that I'm loosing money by >> >recomending proper mixtures and the right oils so forget everything >> >I've >> >said in the past, run em 40-1 / 60-1 heck try 4000-1 mix that Dave >> >recomends, lets see how long they run. Heck I hear that vegetable oil >> >works >> >well, Even used Veg oil lfrom McDonalds lets all try that. Then the >> >smoke >> >will smell like fries. GRINNNNN, NOT!! >> > Happy Tagging all. Mark >> > >> >PS: For anyone in the area there is a nice show at Wellington, Ohio this >> >weekend. Its called Lagrange Engine Club Show. See ya there, Mark >> > >> >At 07:57 AM 9/11/07, you wrote: >> > >I think they are running them lean to get rid of all the foul >> > smelling smoke. >> > > >> > >Luke Tonneberger >> > >Rockford, Michigan >> > >USA >> > > >> > >================= >> > >>From: Mark Shulaw >> > >> >> > >> I know I sell pistons every year to fellows >> > >>who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable >> > >>to >> > >>damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not >> worth the >> > >>risk to run them lean. >> > >> TTYL, Mark >> > >> >Mark & Christine Shulaw >> >454 Co. Rd. 33 >> >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> > >> >Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >> >Parts lists available on request. >> > >> >Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >> >No Sunday calls if possible. >> >I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I >> >represent >> >them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist >> >and >> >hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 12 19:55:46 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:55:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com><30561D14-9559-4671-A7B8-E68ECCE96659@alltel.net> <46E886F2.8060107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <01a901c7f5b1$9bac3800$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ha! Its all coming out now!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > Well, maybe to get rid of the nickname "stumpy"?. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > David Rotigel wrote: > >>My doG Tommy, even I will not respond to your question! >> Dave >> >>On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >> >> >>>George, >>> is there a reason you want it longer? >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>>Best, George wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the >>>>crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they >>>>didn't >>>>want to use a belt pulley on it. >>>> >>>>I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I >>>>find replacement crankshaft instead? >>>> >>>>What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and >>>>true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. >>>>Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the >>>>crankshaft. >>>>Press the extention piece in. >>>>Weld the seam. >>>>Then clean up the joint in the lathe. >>>> >>>>Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? >>>> >>>> >>>>This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >>>>the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>>>confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >>>>recipient or an authorized representative of the intended >>>>recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this >>>>communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>>>communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and >>>>delete the message and any attachments from your system. >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 12 21:13:42 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:13:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! Message-ID: <20070913.001754.1328.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hey, Joe, That stock looks very nice, but a bit too new for me. = = = = = = = = = = = = Hi Alan, & Tommy - - - That stock ain't new. I found it at a flea market for $3. It is made of oak and the rear part of the stock was formed but the front was still square. I cut a channel in the top and shaved the front till I thought it looked pretty good. Then I cut through where the trigger would go and had an electrician friend bend me some 3/4 conduit. You can hear it "cracking" all over the show. Has a pretty distinctive sound. Yes - - - Maytags are a bit "nerve wracking". So I usually don't run it too long. It also swivels so I can aim it toward Dave if he's in the area. = = = = = = = = = = Tommy, Yes - It's about shoulder height. It also has a "slip Joint" just below where the trigger would be and slips off the stand for transporting. I don't want to say I was the first but, I had no one to copy from so, it's pretty much my own idea. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Sep 13 01:59:07 2007 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:59:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <001f01c7f5e4$58830a80$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi, this is what I had done on a largish pommy engine ('06 9 1/2hp Hornsby Ackroyd - ie. single flywheel). It had a bad bend in the 3" crank, that had been cut off just outside the bend. A spiggot was turned on the stub end and another piece of 3" and a bit with the same size hole as the spiggot pressed on to make up the correct length. The joint was then welded and ground on the lathe back to the 3". It is so good I cant tell exactly where the join is and no I didnt do it myself - I paid a few bucks to a guy who is smarter than me - worth every cent. Sure I wouldnt try and drive anything with it, but I would mount a pulley on it just for show. The engine lives now and runs quite nice. I posted this a few weeks ago, but here it is again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w0yXj5-yiw Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:32 AM Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the > crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't > want to use a belt pulley on it. > > I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I > find replacement crankshaft instead? > > What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and > true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. > Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the > crankshaft. > Press the extention piece in. > Weld the seam. > Then clean up the joint in the lathe. > > Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 13 05:46:34 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:46:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > I've run the Amsoil in at least 7-8 singles and a couple twins and > have never had a problem with it. Which one , and at what ratio ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 13 06:03:12 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:03:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com><0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <002c01c7f606$711e5b40$0601a8c0@altech> Can we buy this royal honey (Amsoil) that prolongs the life of these wonderous little machines here in Oz??? Peter, Oz > > >> I've run the Amsoil in at least 7-8 singles and a couple twins and >> have never had a problem with it. > > Which one , and at what ratio ? > > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 13 06:20:54 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:20:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com><0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <004901c7f608$e9d26700$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Which one of these Amsoil two stroke oils do you guys use? We have an Australian distributor at broken Hill, NSW http://www.a1oils.com.au/2stroke.php Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > >> I've run the Amsoil in at least 7-8 singles and a couple twins and >> have never had a problem with it. > > Which one , and at what ratio ? > > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 13 07:38:59 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:38:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20070913015258.3B3F5392452@mx-in04.iad.mail-abuse.org> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20070913015258.3B3F5392452@mx-in04.iad.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475CD85@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> It is for the 5hp Bovaird & Seyfang I just got. Looking at it again last night I noticed the flywheel has holes in 3 spokes for mounting a belt pulley, so extending the crankshaft would be purely cosmetic if the flywheel spokes were used for mounting a belt pulley. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:59 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending George, how common is the engine? Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 13 07:42:08 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:42:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <012e01c7f614$439b0480$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> To do like that fellow did a few years back just for the heck of > it where he run 50 gallons of fuel thru a Maytag. That was Dale Luttig I think he has the record for the most engines run at once also . From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 13 07:43:15 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:43:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475CD9C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Tommy, the flywheels are on the engine and it should be in running condition, I just haven't had time yet to play with it. The crankshaft was cut off right at the hub and it appears it was done with a hacksaw. Even if it wasn't extended to mount a pulley on, it would still look a lot nicer to have a few inches past the hub. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending George, Did they cut it off so that the flywheel won't fit back on the shaft? If not, is there a reason you want it longer (to mount a pulley?). The reason I ask is that many engine builders didn't extend the c/s much beyond the hubs. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 13 07:59:56 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:59:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <46E88000.3050406@scrtc.com> References: <20070912.113242.640.1.jlb94@juno.com> <46E88000.3050406@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475CDE3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I've never had the privilege (?) of seeing a shotgun Maytag in operation. So don't know why anyone would make one. Is it just to have smoke coming out of the shotgun barrel? Or... Does it accumulate gas fumes which can then be ignited to make it look like the gun is being fired? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:11 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! Joe, I like how you've got the shotgun mounted on the stand at about shoulder (shooting) height. I've seen a few other shotgun maytags with the gun almost on the ground. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Sep 13 09:46:06 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:46:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475CD85@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20070913172056.35B0F4C306B@mx-in03.iad.mail-abuse.org> George, Someone probably hacked off the neat clutch pulley.. My vote is to replace the crankshaft with the clutch pulley. Those engines are probably stacked like cord wood back east. Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending It is for the 5hp Bovaird & Seyfang I just got. Looking at it again last night I noticed the flywheel has holes in 3 spokes for mounting a belt pulley, so extending the crankshaft would be purely cosmetic if the flywheel spokes were used for mounting a belt pulley. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:59 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending George, how common is the engine? Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 13 10:53:55 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:53:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! Message-ID: <20070913.135423.1040.0.jlb94@juno.com> s it just to have smoke coming out of the shotgun barrel? Or... Does it accumulate gas fumes which can then be ignited to make it look like the gun is being fired? = = = = = = = = It's just to make smoke and Gawd Awful Noise George. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 13 11:18:17 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475CDE3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <789218.85002.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi George, When you run that exhaust through a tube it cracks like a rifle. It is a real attention getter. If I had a way to record and upload to YouTube I would fire mine up. At one small show that I had my shotgun Maytag at, back when I was stupid, there was a guy that had a Maytag single running and he ran the exhaust through a ten foot piece of pipe laying on the ground. It gave a very loud crank every couple seconds. I got a lot of compliments at that show for my shotgun. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan "Best, George" wrote: I've never had the privilege (?) of seeing a shotgun Maytag in operation. So don't know why anyone would make one. Is it just to have smoke coming out of the shotgun barrel? Or... Does it accumulate gas fumes which can then be ignited to make it look like the gun is being fired? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:11 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! Joe, I like how you've got the shotgun mounted on the stand at about shoulder (shooting) height. I've seen a few other shotgun maytags with the gun almost on the ground. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 13 15:00:26 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:00:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <20070912.113242.640.1.jlb94@juno.com> <46E88000.3050406@scrtc.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475CDE3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <002801c7f651$7e284260$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Or... Does it accumulate gas fumes which can then be ignited to make it > look like the gun is being fired? You are supposed to use it on the single cyl with the hitnmiss governor . Add a dozen plus feet of tubing you can only hear the hits popping out of the barrel . Wouldnt achieve the same effect with a twin . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Sep 13 16:29:36 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:29:36 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <004901c7f608$e9d26700$0601a8c0@altech> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com><0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <004901c7f608$e9d26700$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au> I use the 50;1 oil in all my two strokes.Once you use it you won't want to go back to mineral two stroke oil. I also use the injecter stuff in my boat. It runs better and the fumes don't make you sea sick! I also run the ATF in the trans of my F350. It runs 20 degrees cooler and smoothed the shifts out.The gear oil is good in the axles too. I don't run it in the engine. The Powerstroke is a good 500,000 Km engine anyway and should outlast the rest of the ute. Ray Freeman Perth -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 9:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! Hi all Which one of these Amsoil two stroke oils do you guys use? We have an Australian distributor at broken Hill, NSW http://www.a1oils.com.au/2stroke.php Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > >> I've run the Amsoil in at least 7-8 singles and a couple twins and >> have never had a problem with it. > > Which one , and at what ratio ? > > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 13 17:14:18 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au> Message-ID: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, I was just thinking about when I joined this list. I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. What do you figure the difference is now? My vote is SmokeStak. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 13 17:36:13 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:36:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? References: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03ce01c7f667$42b1ee50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I think its like shows. At first you are all talking, then ya sit back and enjoy the company and occasional banter! Slick Willie has slowed things too. All used to be on the engine site. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? > Hi Folks, > > > I was just thinking about when I joined this list. > I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. > That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of > emails. > I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. > > What do you figure the difference is now? > > My vote is SmokeStak. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 13 19:37:56 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:37:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com><0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><004901c7f608$e9d26700$0601a8c0@altech> <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au> Message-ID: <002201c7f678$42938120$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> >I use the 50;1 oil in all my two strokes.Once you use it you won't want to > go back to mineral two stroke oil. I also use the injecter stuff in my > boat. > It runs better and the fumes don't make you sea sick! Is that the TDR or the Hp ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 13 19:59:02 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:59:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Any list members in the Cleveland Ohio Area Message-ID: <012801c7f67b$3533b560$240110ac@FAMILY> Are there any list members in the Cleveland, Ohio area? I might need to store a small disk sander until can arrange transportation South. Paul From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 00:13:13 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:13:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <03ce01c7f667$42b1ee50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03ce01c7f667$42b1ee50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160709140013ge784f1fg69e94af2c4e51d5e@mail.gmail.com> On 14/09/2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > I think its like shows. > At first you are all talking, then ya sit back and enjoy the company and > occasional banter! > Slick Willie has slowed things too. All used to be on the engine site. > Reg & Marg Ingold. At the Portland Charity Auction I was talking to Brice Adams and Spencer Yost about one or both of them producing a 'history' of the Lists, starting with it at Indiana.edu and following on from there. Brice was possibly thinking along the same lines, and I said that I would check back through my hard disks to see what old traffic I still had from both lists, and forward details to Brice. If anyone else has emails or the potted/condensed versions available from those days, let Brice know so that he can start compiling a list of what he needs. DON'T send anything apart from a list of what you have. The "Mourning Doves" exchange with Rob, Arnie and a couple of others would be particularly nice to see again, I only have a print-out of a couple of those emails here. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 00:19:13 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:19:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au> <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160709140019s309a410akfc26d02dfdaae30f@mail.gmail.com> On 14/09/2007, Alan Bowen wrote: > Hi Folks, > > > I was just thinking about when I joined this list. > I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. > That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. > I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. > > What do you figure the difference is now? > > My vote is SmokeStak. > > Alan Bowen Harry's site has made some difference, but it is a more general thing in my view. When the Indiana.edu list was running, it was possibly the only one of its kind, now you have discussion sites for almost every branch of engineering, and you cannot keep up with them all unless you spend all day at the screen. Reggie has also given a good description of what happens when you first join, any discussion tends to fall away as you get established and become more selective about which discussions you join in with. People also have less free time these days in my experience, even those who are retired seem to be as busy or busier than when they were working. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 14 04:33:02 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? References: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501c7f6c3$029f5300$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Alan I would guess more time should be spent in the shed restoring engines rather than sitting wondering when the next email is going to come in ;-))) Peter, Oz > Hi Folks, > > > I was just thinking about when I joined this list. > I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. > That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of > emails. > I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. > > What do you figure the difference is now? > > My vote is SmokeStak. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Fri Sep 14 06:10:22 2007 From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:10:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160709140013ge784f1fg69e94af2c4e51d5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03ce01c7f667$42b1ee50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6f6025160709140013ge784f1fg69e94af2c4e51d5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189775422.20296.4.camel@hebe> On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 08:13 +0100, Listerdiesel wrote: > At the Portland Charity Auction I was talking to Brice Adams and > Spencer Yost about one or both of them producing a 'history' of the > Lists, starting with it at Indiana.edu and following on from there. I had put this together a few years ago. I never finished it, but the outline is there and some of the content has been filled-in. http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/FAQ.shtml Pete. -- Pete Alleman pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Lafayette, Louisiana USA From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Fri Sep 14 14:12:27 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:12:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy Message-ID: <000f01c7f714$c859e690$2597e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi, I have recently purchased an air cooled waterloo boy and wondered if anybody can give me any information on them. Thanks, Craig in Scotland From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Fri Sep 14 14:16:55 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:16:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] coolspring Message-ID: <001001c7f714$db16ce60$2597e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi all, I know that this request is more than a year in advance but I do believe in forward planning if possible, so does anyone know when the fall swap meet will be next year (2008). Thanks , Craig in Scotland From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 14 17:16:47 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:16:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] coolspring In-Reply-To: <001001c7f714$db16ce60$2597e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <001001c7f714$db16ce60$2597e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: Hi Craig, The answer to your question is "Yes!" Dave On Sep 14, 2007, at 5:16 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi all, > I know that this request is more than a year in advance but > I do believe in forward planning if possible, so does anyone know > when the fall swap meet will be next year (2008). > > Thanks , Craig in Scotland From FOOSENG at aol.com Fri Sep 14 18:18:39 2007 From: FOOSENG at aol.com (FOOSENG at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:18:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] Any list members in the Cleveland Ohio Area Message-ID: PRESTON FOSTER AND TED STRAKA ARE IN THE GENERAL CLEVELAND AREA. PRESTON FOSTER ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From kimmell at verizon.net Fri Sep 14 22:07:33 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:07:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <0JOE00L5M8XPEDKA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> At 07:46 AM 9/13/2007, you wrote: >Which one , and at what ratio ? It's called Amsoil Interceptor. I use it at 50:1 ratio. -Tony From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Sep 15 05:23:25 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:23:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag Message-ID: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! 320155183988 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 15 05:42:59 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:42:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag In-Reply-To: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! Dave On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! > > 320155183988 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 15 13:15:22 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:15:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Undergrond Railroad or Temp Storage Message-ID: <001801c7f7d5$26d5f7c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Are there any list members around Sparks, Maryland? I am looking at a small grinder on E-bay that I may bid on if I could get someone to pick it up for me and store it until I could figure out a way to get it to Arkansas. Thanks Paul From 29burgess29 at comcast.net Sat Sep 15 17:20:23 2007 From: 29burgess29 at comcast.net (29burgess29 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:20:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Undergrond Railroad or Temp Storage Message-ID: <091620070020.14879.46EC76C7000D6C4C00003A1F2200761394C7CD9C9C0A099D9A0DC7CD@comcast.net> Hey, Paul I live in southern Maryland, I could pick the grinder up for you if you win. Do you have any idea how heavy it is? Dave B (Gadgetman) -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Paul Maples" > Are there any list members around Sparks, Maryland? I am looking at a small > grinder on E-bay that I may bid on if I could get someone to pick it up for me > and store it until I could figure out a way to get it to Arkansas. > > Thanks > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Sat Sep 15 21:26:58 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:26:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Unidentified engine Message-ID: <380-22007901642658515@coastalnet.com> Here are pictures of another unidentified engine sent to me for posting. Check it out at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/bocephus/ Thanks, Ke From gibsongus at myway.com Sat Sep 15 21:31:00 2007 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] list engine and tractor Message-ID: <20070916043100.6BC1F467AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> somehow I got cut off from the lists, so please reconect me Gibsongus at myway,com thank you-----------------GusWhittier, CA _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From mack at melbpc.org.au Sat Sep 15 22:00:32 2007 From: mack at melbpc.org.au (John Mackesy) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:00:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 24, Issue 25 References: 200603261700.k2QH05r0005928@heavyiron.atis.net Message-ID: <46ECB870.70203@melbpc.org.au> From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 15 22:26:21 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:26:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] list engine and tractor In-Reply-To: <20070916043100.6BC1F467AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20070916043100.6BC1F467AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: On Sep 15, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Gus wrote: > somehow I got cut off from the lists, so please reconect me > Gibsongus at myway,com thank you-----------------GusWhittier, CA Hey Brohoss, You were automatically disabled from the WAPA list also, for excessive bounces. Welcome back. From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 16 06:46:24 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:46:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oct./Nov. GEM Message-ID: Hi All, My GEM arrived yesterday. Took a look at it this morning and found two interesting articles by List members--one by Jerry Evans ("A Gib Key Puller") and a second by Rob Skinner (on Half Breeds) Both were good reads, although I couldn't figure out what Rob's article had to do with indians--and I'm surprised that Backus allowed the politically UN-CORRECT term "half-breed" to be used in the title of a GEM article! Dave PS, GREAT articles guys! From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 16 13:30:08 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:30:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 24, Issue 25 References: 200603261700.k2QH05r0005928@heavyiron.atis.net <46ECB870.70203@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <001a01c7f8a0$600c1990$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I was thinkin the same thing ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mackesy" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:00 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 24, Issue 25 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Sep 16 15:01:16 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:01:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Oct./Nov. GEM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68862BC5-23F5-460B-A0E8-C762FEB22D5A@rustyiron.com> On Sep 16, 2007, at 6:46 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > I'm surprised that Backus allowed the > politically UN-CORRECT term "half-breed" to be used in the title of a > GEM article! What's wrong with talking about half-breeds? After all, Ritchie's magazine is about Injuns! From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Sep 16 15:30:06 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:30:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag In-Reply-To: <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: >WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! > Dave > >On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. > > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at > > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his > > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! > > > > 320155183988 > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Sep 16 17:05:59 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:05:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag Message-ID: <200709170006.l8H05x2r020061@bn3.blue.net> Russell, If you need it, pay what it takes. If you got the engine right, you're still in good shape. With ebay one things certain, somebody else needed it almost as bad as you! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -------- Original Message -------- ==> From: Russell Gilbert ==> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:30:06 1000 Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: >WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! > Dave > >On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. > > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at > > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his > > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! > > > > 320155183988 > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 16 17:48:51 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:48:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <0ED57E40-2FDD-4B32-93D9-42C3DE15FA81@alltel.net> GOOD on ya then Russell! It was worth EVERY penny that you paid for it! Dave On Sep 16, 2007, at 6:30 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED > it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully > restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my > purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines > value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! > > > > At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: >> WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! >> Dave >> >> On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >>> OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. >>> I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There >>> was at >>> least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his >>> asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! >>> >>> 320155183988 >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FOOSENG at aol.com Sun Sep 16 19:42:02 2007 From: FOOSENG at aol.com (FOOSENG at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:42:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] coolspring Message-ID: October 16, 17 & 18, 2008. Preston Foster CPM Director ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Sep 16 19:57:40 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:57:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000b01c7f8d6$841d7000$a949eedc@fred> Good buying Russell, imagine how the loosing bidder feels after being beaten by $25. Bid high & bid last ! David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Magical Mag > Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED > it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully > restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my > purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines > value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! > > > > At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: >>WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! >> Dave >> >>On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >> > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. >> > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at >> > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his >> > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! >> > >> > 320155183988 >> > >> > Tommy Turner >> > Magnolia, KY >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: > 16/09/2007 6:32 PM > > From bethell at internode.on.net Sun Sep 16 21:41:04 2007 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:41:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000901c7f8e4$feabc390$0201010a@JIM> No wonder you were very chirpy on Saturday night at the Waikerie rally! Jimbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Magical Mag > Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED > it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully > restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my > purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines > value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! > > > > At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: > >WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! > > Dave > > > >On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > > > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. > > > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at > > > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his > > > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! > > > > > > 320155183988 > > > > > > Tommy Turner > > > Magnolia, KY > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Sep 16 22:31:55 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:31:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag In-Reply-To: <000901c7f8e4$feabc390$0201010a@JIM> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <000901c7f8e4$feabc390$0201010a@JIM> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070917153006.01ad2130@ncable.com.au> Jimbo I'm not so chirpy for having to spend up on a magi! have enough to cover with the other little prize I got. But sometimes you just need go for it with this old gear. Will again have to clear some rubbish out to pay for it. At 02:41 PM 17/09/2007, you wrote: >No wonder you were very chirpy on Saturday night at the Waikerie rally! >Jimbo >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:30 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Magical Mag > > > > Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED > > it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully > > restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my > > purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines > > value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! > > > > > > > > At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: > > >WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! > > > Dave > > > > > >On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > > > > > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. > > > > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at > > > > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his > > > > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! > > > > > > > > 320155183988 > > > > > > > > Tommy Turner > > > > Magnolia, KY > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Russell Gilbert > > Sunny Sunraysia > > russell at ncable.com.au > > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Sep 16 23:50:19 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:50:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag Message-ID: <380-22007911765019981@M2W040.mail2web.com> It is all about supply and demand. The other Wizard mag that this guy had for sale went for $710AUS, with the bracket and ignitor to fit a Triumph Line R&V, it too would have exceeded $1000. Like you said, the engine cost you nothing so you are in front. If the Wizard had the bracket and ignitor it would have been mine, as I had an R&V given to me for free. So there you go. Nice purchase, hope you are happy and it serves you well. Peter, Oz No wonder you were very chirpy on Saturday night at the Waikerie rally! Jimbo > Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED > it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully > restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my > purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines > value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! > > > > At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: > >WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! > > Dave > > > >On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > > > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. > > > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at > > > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his > > > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! > > > > > > 320155183988 > > > > > > Tommy Turner > > > Magnolia, KY -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 17 05:21:39 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:21:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil Message-ID: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I contacted the only Amsoil Dealer in NSW, A1 OILS - Australia, and his reply to my question about running my Maytags on Amsoil is below. I did not want this thread to start off and take over the group again, so just read it and take it in for what he says, as we have heard all the pros and cons before. The prices are in Aussie dollars and he sent me 6 .PDF files about the two products below if anyone is interested, they are probably on the Amsoil web site any how and his details for direct deposit to buy some. I am going to get a quart and try it. Any questions please contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au Regards Peter, Oz > Hi Peter, > Thank you for your enquiry regarding Amsoil products. > > There are no other distributors in NSW, but I am more than happy to send > product to you whenever you need some. > > Sorry, about the late reply, I have been away for a few days on unexpected > family business. > > Yep, there is no reason why your motor will not run beautifully well and > clean on Amsoil. > > There are two different two-stroke oils to consider for your application. > If > you are going to use at 50:1 or richer you would be better off to use > Amsoil > Interceptor at $17 a quart (946ml). > > If you are going to run it at between 50 and 100:1 Amsoil Saber-Pro 100:1 > will be better value for you. This is $19 a quart. > > Registered Post will be $11.00 on top of whichever of the above oils you > choose to use. The reason postage seems dear is that Australia Post have a > basic charge of nearly $9 per parcel plus a cost per kilo on top. > > I do give a 10% discount for box buys of 12. > > Don't stress though, your motor will run clean and sweet on any of > Amsoil's > Two Stroke oils. I will attach some info to help you make the choice. > > I will also attach my banking details in case you go ahead with an order. > > Thanking you, > Peter Crossing > A1 OILS - Australia From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 17 06:44:41 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:44:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <5E667652-4417-4227-BE5E-36F652CC1937@alltel.net> Hi Peter, This is indeed GREAT news! I would suggest that you use the Interceptor (at $17.00 per qt.) It's a bit more expensive, but you will more than make up the money in the saving of only using half the amount. I wish you would write the guy again and ask if you could become an Amsoil distributor in NSW. Since there would be no competition w/in hundreds of miles for the product the opportunities would seem to be unlimited! I would also be interested in the guys opinion on using Interceptor at 101:1 and 102:1. As an experiment I think you should try it at 4,000:1 and then let the List know the results. I would be willing to pay for the Interceptor used in that experiment! As you know I'm ALWAYS interested in any information that advances our knowledge of the starting, running and STOPPING of Fred's Mistake! I look forward to what others have to add to this fascinating thread! Dave On Sep 17, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > I contacted the only Amsoil Dealer in NSW, A1 OILS - Australia, and > his > reply to my question about running my Maytags on Amsoil is below. > I did not want this thread to start off and take over the group > again, so > just read it and take it in for what he says, as we have heard all > the pros > and cons before. > The prices are in Aussie dollars and he sent me 6 .PDF files about > the two > products below if anyone is interested, they are probably on the > Amsoil web > site any how and his details for direct deposit to buy some. > I am going to get a quart and try it. > Any questions please contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au > > Regards > Peter, Oz > > > > > >> Hi Peter, >> Thank you for your enquiry regarding Amsoil products. >> >> There are no other distributors in NSW, but I am more than happy >> to send >> product to you whenever you need some. >> >> Sorry, about the late reply, I have been away for a few days on >> unexpected >> family business. >> >> Yep, there is no reason why your motor will not run beautifully >> well and >> clean on Amsoil. >> >> There are two different two-stroke oils to consider for your >> application. >> If >> you are going to use at 50:1 or richer you would be better off to use >> Amsoil >> Interceptor at $17 a quart (946ml). >> >> If you are going to run it at between 50 and 100:1 Amsoil Saber- >> Pro 100:1 >> will be better value for you. This is $19 a quart. >> >> Registered Post will be $11.00 on top of whichever of the above >> oils you >> choose to use. The reason postage seems dear is that Australia >> Post have a >> basic charge of nearly $9 per parcel plus a cost per kilo on top. >> >> I do give a 10% discount for box buys of 12. >> >> Don't stress though, your motor will run clean and sweet on any of >> Amsoil's >> Two Stroke oils. I will attach some info to help you make the choice. >> >> I will also attach my banking details in case you go ahead with an >> order. >> >> Thanking you, >> Peter Crossing >> A1 OILS - Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From galoway4 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 17 11:34:25 2007 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:34:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <002801c7f959$618c51e0$9a22fd04@jake> Whatis the worth of 2 cylender John Deer Power unit I.D. LCU From falcon at telenet.net Mon Sep 17 11:46:35 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:46:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <46EECB8B.3040301@telenet.net> I have used both of those oils and have the same problem with both. The fumes given off when they burn give you a BAD headache. I used them while racing snowmobiles and in the woodlot. They do work very well. The 100:1 caused no problems in any of my gear and most were 40:1 engines. I still use it in the two strokes around here. I just make sure not to use them on a day with dead air. Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > I contacted the only Amsoil Dealer in NSW, A1 OILS - Australia, and his > reply to my question about running my Maytags on Amsoil is below. > I did not want this thread to start off and take over the group again, so > just read it and take it in for what he says, as we have heard all the pros > and cons before. > The prices are in Aussie dollars and he sent me 6 .PDF files about the two > products below if anyone is interested, they are probably on the Amsoil web > site any how and his details for direct deposit to buy some. > I am going to get a quart and try it. > Any questions please contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au > > Regards > Peter, Oz > > > > > >> Hi Peter, >> Thank you for your enquiry regarding Amsoil products. >> >> There are no other distributors in NSW, but I am more than happy to send >> product to you whenever you need some. >> >> Sorry, about the late reply, I have been away for a few days on unexpected >> family business. >> >> Yep, there is no reason why your motor will not run beautifully well and >> clean on Amsoil. >> >> There are two different two-stroke oils to consider for your application. >> If >> you are going to use at 50:1 or richer you would be better off to use >> Amsoil >> Interceptor at $17 a quart (946ml). >> >> If you are going to run it at between 50 and 100:1 Amsoil Saber-Pro 100:1 >> will be better value for you. This is $19 a quart. >> >> Registered Post will be $11.00 on top of whichever of the above oils you >> choose to use. The reason postage seems dear is that Australia Post have a >> basic charge of nearly $9 per parcel plus a cost per kilo on top. >> >> I do give a 10% discount for box buys of 12. >> >> Don't stress though, your motor will run clean and sweet on any of >> Amsoil's >> Two Stroke oils. I will attach some info to help you make the choice. >> >> I will also attach my banking details in case you go ahead with an order. >> >> Thanking you, >> Peter Crossing >> A1 OILS - Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From b2 at chooka.net Mon Sep 17 11:53:14 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:53:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <002801c7f959$618c51e0$9a22fd04@jake> References: <002801c7f959$618c51e0$9a22fd04@jake> Message-ID: <00eb01c7f95c$01de1eb0$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> I sold a running and very complete specimen, good sheet metal, etc. on eBay within the past year for $430. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Buchanan Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:34 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Whatis the worth of 2 cylender John Deer Power unit I.D. LCU _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Mon Sep 17 11:58:53 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:58:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au> <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E844A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Alan, I miss the old days, or at least most of the old days ;-) During our peak we where getting a lot more than 100 emails a day. I even dropped out a few times back then when the messages were getting too frequent and I needed to get more work done. I'm sure that SmokeStak is one of the reasons for the lower message counts now. You see a lot of SEL members posting on SmokeStak, including myself. Part of it could be that mailing lists are pretty much old technology, while dicussion forums on websites are current. While we may like old technology when it comes to engines, some may prefer current technology for communicating. I haven't been to the Portland show the past 6 years, so maybe someone can answer this. I know the SEL list always has a display area for list members and we were also involved with the Thursday night dinner. Does the SmokeStak group have a display area at Portland? Just wondering for people that participate with both groups, which group they choose to set up with at the show. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? Hi Folks, I was just thinking about when I joined this list. I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. What do you figure the difference is now? My vote is SmokeStak. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 17 12:17:11 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:17:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E844A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au> <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E844A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6EA868ED-373F-4EC0-8C88-D033675BC417@alltel.net> > I haven't been to the Portland show the past 6 years, so maybe someone > can answer this. > > I know the SEL list always has a display area for list members and we > were also involved with the Thursday night dinner. > > Does the SmokeStak group have a display area at Portland? > > Just wondering for people that participate with both groups, which > group > they choose to set up with at the show. > > George Hi George, The Stakers DO NOT have a set-up area nor a dinner. They do meet (almost every day) for about 5 minutes for pictures. Dave From George_Best at adp.com Mon Sep 17 12:46:30 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:46:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <6EA868ED-373F-4EC0-8C88-D033675BC417@alltel.net> References: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au><960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E844A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6EA868ED-373F-4EC0-8C88-D033675BC417@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E85AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Dave, Doesn't sound like much of a group if they only get together for 5 minutes ;-) I suppose that works out better as it would pose a serious dilemma for some people if they had to make a choice which group to display with. Has the ATIS tractor list had the same decline in postings? Website forums are readily available for most makes or types of tractors. I know at one time I had to choose between ATIS and SEL because the volumn of email was too great to keep up with and still be productive at work. I may rejoin ATIS as the email volumn doesn't appear to be a problem anymore. ;-) George >Hi George, > The Stakers DO NOT have a set-up area nor a dinner. >They do meet (almost every day) for about 5 minutes for pictures. > Dave This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From kimmell at verizon.net Mon Sep 17 12:47:16 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:47:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <46EECB8B.3040301@telenet.net> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <46EECB8B.3040301@telenet.net> Message-ID: <0JOJ00MRQ2ZT4AGA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> At 01:46 PM 9/17/2007, you wrote: >I have used both of those oils and have the same problem with both. The >fumes given off when they burn give you a BAD headache. Steve, Are you telling me that the good old fashun' oil smoke cloud DOESN'T give you a headache??? 8-) I can't say I've ever gotten a good whiff of the Amsoil funes myself. -Tony From falcon at telenet.net Mon Sep 17 15:13:25 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:13:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <0JOJ00MRQ2ZT4AGA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <46EECB8B.3040301@telenet.net> <0JOJ00MRQ2ZT4AGA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <46EEFC05.7010206@telenet.net> Tony & Jackie wrote: > At 01:46 PM 9/17/2007, you wrote: >> I have used both of those oils and have the same problem with both. The >> fumes given off when they burn give you a BAD headache. > > Steve, > Are you telling me that the good old fashun' oil smoke cloud DOESN'T > give you a headache??? 8-) I can't say I've ever gotten a good whiff > of the Amsoil funes myself. > > -Tony No where near what the Amsoil does. The difference is about like the difference between having a sliver in your finger and having your arm fed through a wood chipper.... I think it has to do with the way the chemicals they use break down in the heat of combustion. The stuff lubes great but after a race day I felt like someone was using my head as an anvil while some miner was trying to dig his way out from inside. I asked around and many of the folks using Amsoil spoke of the same thing. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 17 15:22:52 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:22:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <46EECB8B.3040301@telenet.net><0JOJ00MRQ2ZT4AGA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <46EEFC05.7010206@telenet.net> Message-ID: <003d01c7f979$4a02b940$0601a8c0@altech> > Tony & Jackie wrote: > I have used both of those oils and have the same problem with both. The >> fumes given off when they burn give you a BAD headache. >> >> Steve, >> Are you telling me that the good old fashun' oil smoke cloud DOESN'T >> give you a headache??? 8-) I can't say I've ever gotten a good whiff >> of the Amsoil funes myself. >> >> -Tony > > No where near what the Amsoil does. The difference is about like the > difference between having a sliver in your finger and having your arm > fed through a wood chipper.... I think it has to do with the way the > chemicals they use break down in the heat of combustion. The stuff lubes > great but after a race day I felt like someone was using my head as an > anvil while some miner was trying to dig his way out from inside. I > asked around and many of the folks using Amsoil spoke of the same thing. > Steve W. I got the same headache Steve when using Glycol on my open cooling tanks until I read that the vapours were toxic and should only be used in an enclosed cooling system. Peter, Oz From jbcast at charter.net Mon Sep 17 16:07:54 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:07:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070917190754.GN7K7.44713.root@fepweb12> I don't know the size of a Maytag tank, but at $17 a quart, 50 to 1 ratio you would be increasing the value of a Maytag a lot if you filled the tank.If I ever get around to trying to run mine it will be on the $1.50 stuff. J.B.Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Mon Sep 17 17:11:21 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:11:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Maytag engine for bsale? *** In-Reply-To: <20070917190754.GN7K7.44713.root@fepweb12> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <20070917190754.GN7K7.44713.root@fepweb12> Message-ID: <004401c7f988$71c2d190$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Is there a Maytag Engine for sale near New Jersey? Thank you, New member Pat in NJ Pasquale.NJ at Verizon.Net From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Sep 17 17:19:40 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:19:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <46EECB8B.3040301@telenet.net><0JOJ00MRQ2ZT4AGA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <46EEFC05.7010206@telenet.net> Message-ID: <000f01c7f989$9e93f180$a949eedc@fred> My son & I used Amsoil at 100 to 1 in our Hovercrafts that were used for pleasure and racing, we ran 50 Hp. 2 cyl.Yamaha 2 stroke engines at max. speed of 8000 revs.and cruising speed at 6000 revs, never had any problems. David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil > > > Tony & Jackie wrote: >> At 01:46 PM 9/17/2007, you wrote: >>> I have used both of those oils and have the same problem with both. The >>> fumes given off when they burn give you a BAD headache. >> >> Steve, >> Are you telling me that the good old fashun' oil smoke cloud DOESN'T >> give you a headache??? 8-) I can't say I've ever gotten a good whiff >> of the Amsoil funes myself. >> >> -Tony > > No where near what the Amsoil does. The difference is about like the > difference between having a sliver in your finger and having your arm > fed through a wood chipper.... I think it has to do with the way the > chemicals they use break down in the heat of combustion. The stuff lubes > great but after a race day I felt like someone was using my head as an > anvil while some miner was trying to dig his way out from inside. I > asked around and many of the folks using Amsoil spoke of the same thing. > > -- > Steve W. > Near Cooperstown, New York > NRA Member > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > he'd have become a vegan. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: > 17/09/2007 1:29 PM > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 17 18:12:08 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:12:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Maytag engine for bsale? *** In-Reply-To: <004401c7f988$71c2d190$0201a8c0@Pasquale> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <20070917190754.GN7K7.44713.root@fepweb12> <004401c7f988$71c2d190$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <900E100D-1579-4132-9658-70E241E09E7F@alltel.net> YES!!!!!!!!!! Dave On Sep 17, 2007, at 8:11 PM, Pasquale Lombardi wrote: > > Is there a Maytag Engine for sale near New Jersey? > Thank you, > New member Pat in NJ > Pasquale.NJ at Verizon.Net From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Sep 17 18:06:07 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:06:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] U.K. Members. Tangyes Help ? Message-ID: <002701c7f990$19031df0$a949eedc@fred> Does anyone know if Peter Thwaites of Midford, West Yorkshire has an email Address? I believe he has the Tangye Register and may be able to help , I have a Tangyes (not Tangye) Eng.No.2211B, 5 1/2" Bore x 10" stroke and 36" Flywheel and would like to find out its age. Can anyone pass this message to him for me please. David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 17 18:35:18 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:35:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E85AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au><960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E844A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6EA868ED-373F-4EC0-8C88-D033675BC417@alltel.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E85AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <572E834D-66B9-451F-8F7F-A6A0A695EB95@alltel.net> On Sep 17, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Best, George wrote: > Dave, > Has the ATIS tractor list had the same decline in postings? Website > forums are readily available for most makes or types of tractors. > George About 6-8 posts a day I would think. Dave From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 19:04:12 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag Message-ID: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, Here is a link to some pictures I just uploaded. I supposed I should call this a Maytag Rifle, but Shotgun Maytag is the term used so I stick with it. I did a lot of refining on the gun, but I think it was 1999 when I bought the whole works, Maytag single engine, the "gun" and the stand. Very funny story how I bought this whole thing for $80.00 too,,,,, 8>)) The P.O. said he had used it at least five years so this one has been around quite a while. Here's the link. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32587378&f=0 Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 11:56:27 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:56:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Did you tell the Amsoil Rep. that your motor had absolutely no roller type, or anti-friction bearings anywhere in it? All plain bearings. He may have a change of heart and it would be interesting to hear what he has to say about that. Just trying to save a valuable little Engine. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil > Hi all > I contacted the only Amsoil Dealer in NSW, A1 OILS - Australia, and his > reply to my question about running my Maytags on Amsoil is below. > I did not want this thread to start off and take over the group again, so > just read it and take it in for what he says, as we have heard all the > pros and cons before. > The prices are in Aussie dollars and he sent me 6 .PDF files about the two > products below if anyone is interested, they are probably on the Amsoil > web site any how and his details for direct deposit to buy some. > I am going to get a quart and try it. > Any questions please contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au > > Regards > Peter, Oz > > > > > >> Hi Peter, >> Thank you for your enquiry regarding Amsoil products. >> >> There are no other distributors in NSW, but I am more than happy to send >> product to you whenever you need some. >> >> Sorry, about the late reply, I have been away for a few days on >> unexpected >> family business. >> >> Yep, there is no reason why your motor will not run beautifully well and >> clean on Amsoil. >> >> There are two different two-stroke oils to consider for your application. >> If >> you are going to use at 50:1 or richer you would be better off to use >> Amsoil >> Interceptor at $17 a quart (946ml). >> >> If you are going to run it at between 50 and 100:1 Amsoil Saber-Pro 100:1 >> will be better value for you. This is $19 a quart. >> >> Registered Post will be $11.00 on top of whichever of the above oils you >> choose to use. The reason postage seems dear is that Australia Post have >> a >> basic charge of nearly $9 per parcel plus a cost per kilo on top. >> >> I do give a 10% discount for box buys of 12. >> >> Don't stress though, your motor will run clean and sweet on any of >> Amsoil's >> Two Stroke oils. I will attach some info to help you make the choice. >> >> I will also attach my banking details in case you go ahead with an order. >> >> Thanking you, >> Peter Crossing >> A1 OILS - Australia > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: > 269.13.21/1010 - Release Date: 9/15/2007 7:54 PM > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Sep 17 20:37:25 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:37:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil...two stroke for older engines Message-ID: To Whom it may concern: When, many years ago, I had a small outboard cruiser with two 35 HP Evinrude two cylinder outboard engines, the engines being built around 1958, the manufacture suggested their brand of two stroke oil or, they said 30 weight non-detergent engine oil would do as well. I bought Mobil brand 30 weight non-detergent in five gallon cans and mixed it at 16 to 1, exactly as the Evinrude company and never had any trouble with those engines. I see no reason why the same oil wouldn't do well in the Maytag engines. The 92 running without load will do an excellent job of driving mosquitoes away. What would be fun to try would be to add a little moly to the fuel. It might keep those bearings cool even without much oil. I used to use it in the oil of an aircooled VW with good results. Ron Carroll Maytag Corral Clearmont, MIssouri ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 23:49:42 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:49:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Victor Cub Diesel pistons for sale in Oz Message-ID: <6f6025160709172349k5a2b5fcfo5e9ad04f9e206623@mail.gmail.com> Eddie has asked if this could be posted to the lists as he doesn't seem to be able to get emails through. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260160163717 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 18 02:48:28 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:18:28 +0930 Subject: [SEL] adelaide showgrounds 2007 References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> Some of the display by the Barossa Valley Machinery Preservation Society,Adelaide Showgrounds, september 2007. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4471407&a=32587483&p=75863026&f=0 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 18 03:52:09 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:52:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <47034F73-FD40-48C4-AF2D-4CEA2F3C57B5@alltel.net> > Just trying to save a valuable little Engine. > Skip For what reason? Dave From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Sep 18 06:52:48 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:52:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <47034F73-FD40-48C4-AF2D-4CEA2F3C57B5@alltel.net> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <47034F73-FD40-48C4-AF2D-4CEA2F3C57B5@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20070918105246.DF205229AB2@md5.pennswoods.net> Dave you never know when the power can go out and you may need to adapt it to the washing machine. R Fink At 06:52 AM 9/18/2007 -0400, you wrote: > > Just trying to save a valuable little Engine. > > Skip > >For what reason? > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: >9/14/2007 8:59 AM From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 18 04:10:19 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:10:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <20070918105246.DF205229AB2@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <47034F73-FD40-48C4-AF2D-4CEA2F3C57B5@alltel.net> <20070918105246.DF205229AB2@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <9029D776-1CDD-4E54-8CE3-3BB23230D2A7@alltel.net> Point well taken Richard, but at my age I can no longer kick one of the MISTAKES long enough for it to get through the entire washing cycle! Dave On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Richard Fink Sr wrote: > Dave you never know when the power can go out and you may need to > adapt it to the washing machine. > R Fink > > > > At 06:52 AM 9/18/2007 -0400, you wrote: >>> Just trying to save a valuable little Engine. >>> Skip >> >> For what reason? >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: >> 9/14/2007 8:59 AM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 18 04:46:36 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:46:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7CE82A71-51B9-4919-B47A-22BCA037C763@alltel.net> Very nice Alan. I've seen several of these at shows and they are ALWAYS a crowd pleaser! It was nice of your parole officer to sell it to you! Dave On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Howdy Folks, > Here is a link to some pictures I just uploaded. > I supposed I should call this a Maytag Rifle, but Shotgun Maytag > is the term used so I stick with it. > I did a lot of refining on the gun, but I think it was 1999 when I > bought the whole works, Maytag single engine, the "gun" and the > stand. Very funny story how I bought this whole thing for $80.00 > too,,,,, 8>)) The P.O. said he had used it at least five years so > this one has been around quite a while. > Here's the link. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32587378&f=0 > Alan Bowen From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 05:10:21 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <7CE82A71-51B9-4919-B47A-22BCA037C763@alltel.net> Message-ID: <739998.34252.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave !!!! P.O. is Previous Owner you silly geezer !!!! 8>)))) Yes this was a crowd pleaser. It just drove ME nuts. That is why it stays home now. Yesterday to take those pictures was the first time in six years that gun came out of it's wrapper and saw daylight. Actually it seemed kinda nice there yesterday. I couldn't find part of the exhaust hookup so I left the engine in the shop. 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan David Rotigel wrote: Very nice Alan. I've seen several of these at shows and they are ALWAYS a crowd pleaser! It was nice of your parole officer to sell it to you! Dave On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Howdy Folks, > Here is a link to some pictures I just uploaded. > I supposed I should call this a Maytag Rifle, but Shotgun Maytag > is the term used so I stick with it. > I did a lot of refining on the gun, but I think it was 1999 when I > bought the whole works, Maytag single engine, the "gun" and the > stand. Very funny story how I bought this whole thing for $80.00 > too,,,,, 8>)) The P.O. said he had used it at least five years so > this one has been around quite a while. > Here's the link. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32587378&f=0 > Alan Bowen --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 18 07:50:30 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:50:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech><004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <47034F73-FD40-48C4-AF2D-4CEA2F3C57B5@alltel.net> Message-ID: <005201c7fa03$43d13b20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Because, there is only about a million of 'em left. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil >> Just trying to save a valuable little Engine. >> Skip > > For what reason? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: > 9/16/2007 6:32 PM > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 18 07:53:51 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:53:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil...two stroke for older engines References: Message-ID: <005c01c7fa03$ba9e7060$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Henry Ford would have just loved your idea, he even wen't so far as to put molybdenum in iron engine castings. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil...two stroke for older engines > To Whom it may concern: > > When, many years ago, I had a small outboard cruiser with two 35 HP > Evinrude > two cylinder outboard engines, the engines being built around 1958, the > manufacture suggested their brand of two stroke oil or, they said 30 > weight > non-detergent engine oil would do as well. I bought Mobil brand 30 weight > non-detergent in five gallon cans and mixed it at 16 to 1, exactly as the > Evinrude > company and never had any trouble with those engines. I see no reason > why the > same oil wouldn't do well in the Maytag engines. The 92 running without > load > will do an excellent job of driving mosquitoes away. > > What would be fun to try would be to add a little moly to the fuel. It > might keep those bearings cool even without much oil. I used to use it > in the > oil of an aircooled VW with good results. > > Ron Carroll > Maytag Corral > Clearmont, MIssouri > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: > 9/16/2007 6:32 PM > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Sep 18 08:00:47 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:00:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] adelaide showgrounds 2007 In-Reply-To: <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <7214B271-759F-44DA-AFFF-FC6D5ED97FE3@rustyiron.com> On Sep 18, 2007, at 2:48 AM, derek wrote: > Some of the display by the Barossa Valley Machinery Preservation > Society,Adelaide Showgrounds, september 2007. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto? > u=4471407&a=32587483&p=75863026&f=0 Thanks, mate! I especially liked the pictures of the Kaesler Bros. Rob From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 18 09:29:25 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:29:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] adelaide showgrounds 2007 In-Reply-To: <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <46EFFCE5.5090908@imc-group.com> Derek, Enjoyed seeing the photos. Thought the Reliance engine looked familiar. This one was south of you a couple of years ago. ('05 Narracoorte) Some interesting differences. Both are 4 1/2 HP. Yours pictured is s/n 106. The picture I took is of s/n 73. Amazing the differences in roughly 30 engines of production. Rocker arms and head are quite different. Was quite interested to see Adelaide, but time just didn't permit making it there. Perhaps next trip. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC derek wrote: > Some of the display by the Barossa Valley Machinery Preservation > Society,Adelaide Showgrounds, september 2007. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4471407&a=32587483&p=75863026&f=0 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Sep 18 09:35:59 2007 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:35:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <017d01c7fa11$ff3e75e0$0200a8c0@fbi> Now you need to put a video of it on YouTube!!! Here's a pic of a shotgun Maytag at Portland in 1999 Dolly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" > Here's the link. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32587378&f=0 > From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Sep 18 10:14:17 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:14:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" Message-ID: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> Hi Everyone, I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can tell me more about it? Although it is not an engine part (which makes it "off Topic") , if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this could have been used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night when the lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be engine related and therefore "On Topic". Thanks for looking: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 18 11:39:03 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:39:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <017d01c7fa11$ff3e75e0$0200a8c0@fbi> References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <017d01c7fa11$ff3e75e0$0200a8c0@fbi> Message-ID: WOW! It looks just like Alan's! Dave On Sep 18, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Jim French wrote: > Now you need to put a video of it on YouTube!!! > > Here's a pic of a shotgun Maytag at Portland in 1999 > > Dolly > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Bowen" > > >> Here's the link. >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32587378&f=0 >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Tue Sep 18 11:36:08 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:36:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <00a501c7fa22$c7e9d150$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Jerry, I'm sure it's a carbide lamp. The needle valve would be to adjust the water drip rate. I've a good picture book on carbide lamps at home, will check this evening or next to see if I find anything specifically like this. I expect most of the pics I have will be western hemisphere, however. Although a lot of this vintage stuff for probably both of us came from England. It looks like a very nice specimen, I'd pick it up in a heartbeat. Congratulations on a good find! B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:14 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" Hi Everyone, I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can tell me more about it? Although it is not an engine part (which makes it "off Topic") , if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this could have been used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night when the lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be engine related and therefore "On Topic". Thanks for looking: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Sep 18 11:38:07 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:38:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <46F01B0F.5070003@scrtc.com> Jerry, My guess is that a hose attached to the protruding brass part. Possilby it was then attached to a torch for jewelry welding, soldering, etc. Maybe it was a lamp but I think it possibly had a more "industrial" type use. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Everyone, > I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can tell me more >about it? > > Although it is not an engine part (which makes it "off Topic") , >if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this could have been >used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night when the >lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be engine related >and therefore "On Topic". > > Thanks for looking: > > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >See: >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm >or learn how to finish off your plates >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Sep 18 11:51:43 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:51:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <09e001c7fa24$f4cbc4b0$8335c53e@doc> Hi Jerry It's almost certainly an acetylene lamp that used calcium carbide. It looks very similar to a miner's / potholer's (spelunker's) cap lamp that I have, except there's no bracket for the hard-hat fitting, and the jet on mine isn't screwed, it has a taper fit. If it was a carbide lamp, it'll probably have a smell to this day, unmistakeable! All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jerry Evans > Sent: 18 September 2007 18:14 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" > > Hi Everyone, > I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can > tell me more > about it? > > Although it is not an engine part (which makes it > "off Topic") , > if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this > could have been > used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night when the > lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be > engine related > and therefore "On Topic". > > Thanks for looking: > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Sep 18 12:11:55 2007 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:11:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><017d01c7fa11$ff3e75e0$0200a8c0@fbi> Message-ID: <019e01c7fa27$c7b95930$0200a8c0@fbi> Duh!!!! In too much of a rush. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland/shotgun.jpg Dolly ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" > WOW! It looks just like Alan's! > Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 18 12:34:53 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:34:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Air Valve Message-ID: <20070918.153453.200.0.jlb94@juno.com> Mark Shulaw, At Sistersville, my Maytag wouldn't run. I took things apart and saw that the Air Valve in the carb was worn to extreme. Someone (Named Dave) gave me a newer Air Valve and that got me running. My Question. How does the Air Valve Seat come out? The manual says to press it out the top of the carb. Can the Air Valve Seat be turned over and reinstalled - or - is it best to buy new parts ? Do you have them ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Sep 18 12:39:08 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:39:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <46F01B0F.5070003@scrtc.com> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> <46F01B0F.5070003@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <09f601c7fa2b$94d8c380$8335c53e@doc> Funnily enough, I was just about to ask how big it was - if it's much more than four or five inches tall, it's probably an acetylene generator.... All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Judge Tommy Turner > Sent: 18 September 2007 19:38 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" > > Jerry, > My guess is that a hose attached to the protruding brass part. > Possilby it was then attached to a torch for jewelry welding, > soldering, > etc. Maybe it was a lamp but I think it possibly had a more > "industrial" type use. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >Hi Everyone, > > I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can > tell me more > >about it? > > > > Although it is not an engine part (which makes it > "off Topic") , > >if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this > could have been > >used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night > when the > >lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be > engine related > >and therefore "On Topic". > > > > Thanks for looking: > > > > > > > >Keep the revs up (or down) > >Jerry Evans > >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > >See: > >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > >or learn how to finish off your plates > >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 18 07:04:27 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:04:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster References: Message-ID: <000201c7fa37$5a619b80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > What would be fun to try would be to add a little moly to the fuel. It > might keep those bearings cool even without much oil. I used to use it > in the > oil of an aircooled VW with good results. Uncle Ron Do you have any singles with KIPS style power valves .......... yet ? Most of them use a really cool flyballish governor , which is why I ask . chuck From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Sep 18 14:55:16 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:55:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] adelaide showgrounds 2007 In-Reply-To: <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070919075201.01add058@ncable.com.au> G'day Derek, nice engines over your way. The Reliance was at Waikery Rally last weekend. Have some pic's of that rally still on my camera. Will try to find some time to post them. There was an Alan engine there said to be there earliest known to exhist, ?? No 537? I think it was. Nice vertical Blackstone also. Curt, you will have to come over for the next Aussie national, just down the road from Adelaide. At 07:48 PM 18/09/2007, you wrote: >Some of the display by the Barossa Valley Machinery Preservation >Society,Adelaide Showgrounds, september 2007. > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4471407&a=32587483&p=75863026&f=0 > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Sep 18 19:00:43 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:00:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <9029D776-1CDD-4E54-8CE3-3BB23230D2A7@alltel.net> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <47034F73-FD40-48C4-AF2D-4CEA2F3C57B5@alltel.net> <20070918105246.DF205229AB2@md5.pennswoods.net> <9029D776-1CDD-4E54-8CE3-3BB23230D2A7@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20070918230041.B380E229764@md5.pennswoods.net> Point heard Dave and realized can;t do it here also. Maybe to burn paint off old tractor??????????? R Fink At 07:10 AM 9/18/2007 -0400, you wrote: >Point well taken Richard, but at my age I can no longer kick one of >the MISTAKES long enough for it to get through the entire washing cycle! > Dave > >On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Richard Fink Sr wrote: > > > Dave you never know when the power can go out and you may need to > > adapt it to the washing machine. > > R Fink > > > > > > > > At 06:52 AM 9/18/2007 -0400, you wrote: > >>> Just trying to save a valuable little Engine. > >>> Skip > >> > >> For what reason? > >> Dave > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: > >> 9/14/2007 8:59 AM > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: >9/14/2007 8:59 AM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 16:42:38 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <019e01c7fa27$c7b95930$0200a8c0@fbi> Message-ID: <371112.66132.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, Helen. I have had that picture on my computer since you put it up. THAT picture is what made me what to make one. Then came the Fall 1999 Swap Meet at the Buckley Showgrounds. I went looking for a Maytag single because all I had at that time was a twin. There it was,,,, Sitting on the ground mounted to the most beautiful set of skids I have ever seen a Maytag on. The skids were Western Red Cedar. The whole set of skids were built from way too thin Cedar. The two runners were 3/4" X 2" and the cross boards that the engine was mounted to were 1/2" X 1 1/2" material. I walked up and asked ,"How Much?" He answered, "180 Bucks." I asked if it ran and he started kicking it over. It didn't sound like it would run so I asked, "How much now?" He just replied with the same price and I walked away. This was about 8:30 AM on Friday. All day Friday every time I came around that corner I asked, "How much now?" He was kicking at that engine all day. I made sure that I tried one last time about 6PM before I went home. "How much now?" By then I was getting a growl in response. Okay, Now it's Saturday,,, I showed up at 9AM and went right to his area. "How much this morning?" He actually replied, "180 Bucks." "Does it run this morning?" say I. So he kicks it another dozen times. Here we go again,,,, All day I keep asking and he keeps grunting. BTW, What I haven't mentioned is,,, Both days other people kept asking if it ran. He was kicking that engine all day both days. I was totally amazed those beautiful, but flimsy skids were holding up. About 4:30PM Saturday I was in one of those "right places at the right time" situations. I was just approaching that corner when I saw another man walk up and ask if it ran. I stopped right there to watch The owner started kicking it and I heard a little cracking sound. Then I started walking again,,,, What timing !!!! Just as I got there he gave the final kick. Those beautiful skids turned into a pile of pretty toothpicks. The other guy dropped his head and turned away. I paused for about two full seconds then asked, "How much NOW?" He replied, "Gimme eighty bucks and you can have it." I reached for the cash and he turned and walked away,,,,,, What NOW?, I think. He went into the side door of his trailer and held out this bright purple pipe attached to a bright purple brake drum. Then he walked further into the trailer and brought back this old stock with a tent pole attached to it. By attached,,, I mean it was taped to the stock with electrical tape. He handed that to me also. There I stood with the stand, the gun and eighty bucks all at once. He took the money then said, "Figured you might as well have the rest of it too." WHAT A DEAL !!!!! I took that Maytag home and set it on the picnic table. Sunday afternoon I walked up there and checked the gas. It smelt fresh. I grabbed the little mixture lever and flipped it to the right. Now remember,, That needle had been pointing straight up. The way it hit the tank made me want to check it out. I removed the screw then the lever. Then I turned that needle it another THREE AND A HALF TURNS !!!!!! That needle was way too many turns out. One kick and she would be flooded. I put the lever on so it shuts just barely before that lever hits the tank. Then I screwed together four pieces of 2 X 4 and screwed the engine to it's not-so-pretty skids. I sat the engine on the ground and kicked it just one time. The engine was running. I was amazed that it was that easy. I was also amazed that someone had it that far off. I went and got the shotgun parts and hooked then up. Sweet, said I,,,, Then I started working on the gun and I went to the hardware store and got some green paint for the stand. Anyone would have known the barrel was a tent pole,,, The tip of the "barrel" was the necked down area that was supposed to slide into the next pole. I cut that part off real quick. There it is,,, I went looking for an engine to use and got the whole thing way cheaper than I figured I would. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Jim French wrote: Duh!!!! In too much of a rush. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland/shotgun.jpg Dolly ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" > WOW! It looks just like Alan's! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Sep 18 16:57:11 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:57:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag References: <371112.66132.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004001c7fa4f$a118b5a0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Alan We converted ones know how well they start, we just need Dave (The Evil One) to read your great story and then finally admit it too ;-)). Peter, Oz >I sat the engine on the ground and kicked it just one time. >The engine was running. I was amazed that it was that easy. >I was also amazed that someone had it that far off. >I went and got the shotgun parts and hooked then up. >Sweet, said I,,,, From b2 at chooka.net Tue Sep 18 17:04:52 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:04:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <001801c7fa50$b5222530$640aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Jerry, the observations about this maybe being a generator instead of a lamp are a good bet, based upon the outlet fixture. I have several generators, most of which fed a tip and reflector so the lamp was not affixed directly to the generator. These are inclined to be larger units, with the generator worn on the belt. That said, I did look for something like this in my lamp picture book and came up empty. The design of yours of clamping the bottom up to the top by use of the bail is unusual; most lamps had a bottom that screwed onto the top part of the lamp, much like a lid to a jar. I did find one that had clamping design like yours from the Wolf Safety Lamp Company, but otherwise it differed from yours. There is likely a name on the lamp somewhere when you get to cleaning it up. I'd be interested in knowing what you find about a manufacturer. Regards, B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:14 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" Hi Everyone, I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can tell me more about it? Although it is not an engine part (which makes it "off Topic") , if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this could have been used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night when the lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be engine related and therefore "On Topic". Thanks for looking: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 18 17:33:45 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:33:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag References: <371112.66132.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02df01c7fa54$be148080$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Love the story!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag > Yup, Helen. > I have had that picture on my computer since you put it up. > THAT picture is what made me what to make one. > Then came the Fall 1999 Swap Meet at the Buckley Showgrounds. > I went looking for a Maytag single because all I had at that time was a > twin. > > There it was,,,, Sitting on the ground mounted to the most beautiful set > of skids I have ever seen a Maytag on. The skids were Western Red Cedar. > The whole set of skids were built from way too thin Cedar. > The two runners were 3/4" X 2" and the cross boards that the engine was > mounted to were 1/2" X 1 1/2" material. > > I walked up and asked ,"How Much?" > He answered, "180 Bucks." > I asked if it ran and he started kicking it over. > It didn't sound like it would run so I asked, "How much now?" > > He just replied with the same price and I walked away. This was about > 8:30 AM on Friday. All day Friday every time I came around that corner I > asked, "How much now?" He was kicking at that engine all day. I made > sure that I tried one last time about 6PM before I went home. "How much > now?" By then I was getting a growl in response. > > Okay, Now it's Saturday,,, I showed up at 9AM and went right to his area. > "How much this morning?" > He actually replied, "180 Bucks." > "Does it run this morning?" say I. > So he kicks it another dozen times. > > Here we go again,,,, All day I keep asking and he keeps grunting. > BTW, What I haven't mentioned is,,, Both days other people kept asking if > it ran. > He was kicking that engine all day both days. > I was totally amazed those beautiful, but flimsy skids were holding up. > > About 4:30PM Saturday I was in one of those "right places at the right > time" situations. > > I was just approaching that corner when I saw another man walk up and ask > if it ran. I stopped right there to watch > The owner started kicking it and I heard a little cracking sound. > Then I started walking again,,,, What timing !!!! > Just as I got there he gave the final kick. > Those beautiful skids turned into a pile of pretty toothpicks. > The other guy dropped his head and turned away. > I paused for about two full seconds then asked, "How much NOW?" > He replied, "Gimme eighty bucks and you can have it." > I reached for the cash and he turned and walked away,,,,,, > What NOW?, I think. > He went into the side door of his trailer and held out this bright purple > pipe attached to a bright purple brake drum. Then he walked further into > the trailer and brought back this old stock with a tent pole attached to > it. By attached,,, I mean it was taped to the stock with electrical tape. > He handed that to me also. > > There I stood with the stand, the gun and eighty bucks all at once. > He took the money then said, "Figured you might as well have the rest of > it too." > > WHAT A DEAL !!!!! > > I took that Maytag home and set it on the picnic table. > > Sunday afternoon I walked up there and checked the gas. It smelt fresh. > I grabbed the little mixture lever and flipped it to the right. > Now remember,, That needle had been pointing straight up. > The way it hit the tank made me want to check it out. > I removed the screw then the lever. > Then I turned that needle it another THREE AND A HALF TURNS !!!!!! > That needle was way too many turns out. > One kick and she would be flooded. > > I put the lever on so it shuts just barely before that lever hits the > tank. > Then I screwed together four pieces of 2 X 4 and screwed the engine to > it's not-so-pretty skids. I sat the engine on the ground and kicked it > just one time. > The engine was running. I was amazed that it was that easy. > I was also amazed that someone had it that far off. > I went and got the shotgun parts and hooked then up. > Sweet, said I,,,, > > Then I started working on the gun and I went to the hardware store and got > some green paint for the stand. > Anyone would have known the barrel was a tent pole,,, The tip of the > "barrel" was the necked down area that was supposed to slide into the next > pole. I cut that part off real quick. > > > There it is,,, I went looking for an engine to use and got the whole > thing way cheaper than I figured I would. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > Jim French wrote: Duh!!!! In too much of a rush. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland/shotgun.jpg > > Dolly > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > > >> WOW! It looks just like Alan's! >> Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 18 19:23:55 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:23:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <004001c7fa4f$a118b5a0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <371112.66132.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004001c7fa4f$a118b5a0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: OK Peter, I admit that I read the "story." Now what is your point? Dave On Sep 18, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Alan > We converted ones know how well they start, we just need Dave (The > Evil One) > to read your great story and then finally admit it too ;-)). > Peter, Oz > >> I sat the engine on the ground and kicked it just one time. >> The engine was running. I was amazed that it was that easy. >> I was also amazed that someone had it that far off. >> I went and got the shotgun parts and hooked then up. >> Sweet, said I,,,, From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Sep 18 21:17:33 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:17:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster Message-ID: Hi Chuck, No, I don't have any with the KIPS power valve. In fact, I am so far behind technical developments that I had not heard of the KIPS power valves. Now that I know about them, I want one for my Maytag 92 and another for my Lambretta 200 SX. Thanks for leading me into the light. Ron In a message dated 9/18/2007 4:07:17 PM Central Daylight Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: Uncle Ron Do you have any singles with KIPS style power valves .......... yet ? Most of them use a really cool flyballish governor , which is why I ask . chuck ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 18 22:09:47 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:39:47 +0930 Subject: [SEL] adelaide showgrounds 2007 References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> <7.0.1.0.1.20070919075201.01add058@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001d01c7fa7b$4f922e10$46caae3a@chaos> I will be heading to Paskeville Field Days on monday, work :(, will see what they have there, then Roseworthy on the 13th or 14th oct. They are have a Big Engine themed weekend, run by the Gawler club. Crossley 51 hp Diesel single is mentioned as well as a Blackstone twin. Now how do i fool epson photocentre with a video? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] adelaide showgrounds 2007 > G'day Derek, nice engines over your way. The Reliance was at Waikery > Rally last weekend. Have some pic's of that rally still on my camera. > Will try to find some time to post them. There was an Alan engine > there said to be there earliest known to exhist, ?? No 537? I think > it was. Nice vertical Blackstone also. > > Curt, you will have to come over for the next Aussie national, just > down the road from Adelaide. > > > At 07:48 PM 18/09/2007, you wrote: From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Sep 18 06:57:22 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:57:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] coolspring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918095157.02ef6c10@pop3.wcoil.com> But at Coolsprings showing up a day or so early is not a bad thing. Mark At 10:42 PM 9/16/07, you wrote: >October 16, 17 & 18, 2008. > >Preston Foster >CPM Director > >Hi all, > I know that this request is more than a year in advance but I do > believe in forward planning if possible, so does anyone know when the > fall swap meet will be next year (2008). > >Thanks , Craig in Scotland >, Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Sep 18 06:19:09 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:19:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] coolspring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918091359.03c06c10@pop3.wcoil.com> Hello Preston, Thanks for the shout back. We had our monthly meeting last night and it was decided to feature Galloway engines in 08. That should gather in more then a few engines. I wanted to go a bit more exotic but Its thought that it will be an exhibitor pleaser. And I agree it should do well. Thank You, Mark Director NOAMA At 10:42 PM 9/16/07, you wrote: >October 16, 17 & 18, 2008. > >Preston Foster >CPM Director Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 19 01:08:22 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:08:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] coolspring (Findlay maybe?) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918091359.03c06c10@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918091359.03c06c10@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1190189302.46f0d8f67ad62@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Mark, That 2008 Galloway feature; is that for Findlay 2008? See ya, Arnie Quoting Mark Shulaw : > Hello Preston, > Thanks for the shout back. We had our monthly meeting last night and it > was decided to feature Galloway engines in 08. That should gather in more > then a few engines. I wanted to go a bit more exotic but Its thought that > it will be an exhibitor pleaser. And I agree it should do > well. Thank You, Mark Director NOAMA > > > > > At 10:42 PM 9/16/07, you wrote: > >October 16, 17 & 18, 2008. > > > >Preston Foster > >CPM Director > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > Bluffton, Ohio > Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > Home #419.358.5206 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Sep 19 09:36:09 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:36:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <0c1701c7fadb$2fa8ec50$8335c53e@doc> Jerry Please take a look at this site - http://www.acethylene.com/ I think what you have there is an Arras lamp.... The giveaway for me is the "flower" shape on the top of the needle valve stem. The website I mention has this to say: "Le pointeau est une partie fragile qui peut se casser facilement. Il est compos? d'une tige de laiton de 4 mm sur laquelle est soud? un robinet (viss? et/ou soud?) en une forme de fleur (sur la plupart des Arras)" which roughly translates as "The needle is a fragile part which can break easily. It is composed of a 4mm brass shaft on which is soldered a tap (screwed and/or soldered) in the form of a flower (on most Arras)". Also, the hook part of the screwed closure very much resembles the Arras lamps described. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jerry Evans > Sent: 18 September 2007 18:14 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" > > Hi Everyone, > I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can > tell me more > about it? > > Although it is not an engine part (which makes it > "off Topic") , > if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this > could have been > used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night when the > lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be > engine related > and therefore "On Topic". > > Thanks for looking: > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 19 11:59:14 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:59:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster References: Message-ID: <004b01c7faef$2cc84a80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Hi Chuck, > No, I don't have any with the KIPS power valve. In fact, I am so far > behind > technical developments that I had not heard of the KIPS power valves. Now > that I know about them, I want one for my Maytag 92 and another for my > Lambretta > 200 SX. Thanks for leading me into the light. > Ron Always have a minute for the word . heres one .... its a variable exhaust port http://www.dirtrider.net/justkdx/images/kipsvalves.gif Properly designed they work THats what they want the dominator oil for , these things . Chuck From b2 at chooka.net Wed Sep 19 12:10:13 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:10:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <0c1701c7fadb$2fa8ec50$8335c53e@doc> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> <0c1701c7fadb$2fa8ec50$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <00de01c7faf0$b5e4bc30$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Neat site! I wish I spoke more French, but can make out most of what it says. Great reference site, thanks for finding and posting about it. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Scales Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:36 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" Jerry Please take a look at this site - http://www.acethylene.com/ I think what you have there is an Arras lamp.... The giveaway for me is the "flower" shape on the top of the needle valve stem. The website I mention has this to say: "Le pointeau est une partie fragile qui peut se casser facilement. Il est compos? d'une tige de laiton de 4 mm sur laquelle est soud? un robinet (viss? et/ou soud?) en une forme de fleur (sur la plupart des Arras)" which roughly translates as "The needle is a fragile part which can break easily. It is composed of a 4mm brass shaft on which is soldered a tap (screwed and/or soldered) in the form of a flower (on most Arras)". Also, the hook part of the screwed closure very much resembles the Arras lamps described. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry > Evans > Sent: 18 September 2007 18:14 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" > > Hi Everyone, > I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can tell me > more about it? > > Although it is not an engine part (which makes it "off > Topic") , if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this > could have been used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark > night when the lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it > would be engine related and therefore "On Topic". > > Thanks for looking: > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Sep 19 12:09:10 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:09:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] RE. O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070919201648.00abd5c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >Hi All, Thanks for the many replies. I think it has been positively identified as a carbide lamp (which was what I suspected but I'd never seen one before). On Jims list Ken Christison replied with this link to an old advert for a similar lamp: and Dave Croft sent this link: A Google image search for "carbide lamps" brings up many pictures of similar lamps as well as some info on how they work (cutaway drawings). I'm not going to answer each post from the SEL individually as there were many helpful replies. To answer a few questions from the SEL will be easier. 1)I think it is a bit small to be a generator - from pics and descriptions I've subsequently found on the net this one could almost be called a "Miniature Carbide Lamp" very similar in size to this one: 2) The tank is approx. 6" high (excluding the handle) and 3 3/4" diameter. Apologies for not including this on the page I put up. 3) The "gas pipe" (I referred to this as a nozzle) that sticks out the front is indeed missing a jet and I believe this was made of ceramic (although the link to the "Miniature" above mentions a "soapstone burner"). 4) The bracket seen above this gas pipe would have been for attaching a dished aluminium reflector, 5) I could not distinguish any smell. 6) There is no makers name on it but I did find the letters "SAS-SAR" stamped onto the handle which shows it belonged to our railways. (In Afrikaans "Suid Afrikanse Spoorwee" in English "South African Railways"). A friend of mine called past today and also identified it as a miners lamp similar to what had been used by his father. He had an interesting story to tell about them. When a "shift" ended the workers would empty their lamps out before handing them back to the store to be refilled for the next day. My friend tells that he had to go to the mine about every 2 weeks and gather up this grey sludge that they poured out and then use this stuff to paint his Dad's poultry and pigeon cages. It evidently was a very good method of preventing mites and lice from infesting the birds. Anyway, thanks for all the replies. When I saw it in the "junkshop" I just knew that I had to have it although I did not know exactly what it was. The shop owner said it was an oilcan but I knew it was not. Also got it for a bargain - less than US$ 4.00 I'm busy cleaning it up now and it's coming up pretty nicely. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Sep 19 05:52:58 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:52:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay 2008 Feature Engine GALLOWAY In-Reply-To: <1190189302.46f0d8f67ad62@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918091359.03c06c10@pop3.wcoil.com> <1190189302.46f0d8f67ad62@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070919084246.03025be0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Arnie, Yup 2008 Findlay feature is Galloway. That should be an interesting feature. Does Dave stiill have the Galloway-Maytag? I'm thinking about the one he exhibited at Portland a few years back with the chunk missing from the hopper rim? That magnetic Maytag sign fit real nice on the side of the hopper. I didn't realize till now that previous note had went to the list. Sorry about that. TTYL, Mark At 04:08 AM 9/19/07, you wrote: >Hi Mark, > >That 2008 Galloway feature; is that for Findlay 2008? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Mark Shulaw : > > > Hello Preston, > > Thanks for the shout back. We had our monthly meeting last night and it > > was decided to feature Galloway engines in 08. That should gather in more > > then a few engines. I wanted to go a bit more exotic but Its thought that > > it will be an exhibitor pleaser. And I agree it should do > > well. Thank You, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 19 18:55:24 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:55:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay 2008 Feature Engine GALLOWAY In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070919084246.03025be0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918091359.03c06c10@pop3.wcoil.com> <1190189302.46f0d8f67ad62@webmail.city-net.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070919084246.03025be0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <836EBB7D-6F21-4EEA-BE88-76B1A1168ACB@alltel.net> Hi Mark, The 16 HP Galloway will be there FOR SURE! I think I even know where the MAYTAG sign is and will be sure to bring it along in order to make a proper display! (I may need a reminder, however, as time draws near!) Dave PS, There have been a few changes since the MAYTAG sign hung on the Galloway at Portland. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html On Sep 19, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hi Arnie, > Yup 2008 Findlay feature is Galloway. That should be an > interesting feature. > Does Dave stiill have the Galloway-Maytag? I'm thinking about the > one he > exhibited at Portland a few years back with the chunk missing from the > hopper rim? > That magnetic Maytag sign fit real nice on the side of the hopper. > I didn't realize till now that previous note had went to the list. > Sorry > about that. > TTYL, Mark > > > At 04:08 AM 9/19/07, you wrote: >> Hi Mark, >> >> That 2008 Galloway feature; is that for Findlay 2008? >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Mark Shulaw : >> >>> Hello Preston, >>> Thanks for the shout back. We had our monthly meeting last >>> night and it >>> was decided to feature Galloway engines in 08. That should >>> gather in more >>> then a few engines. I wanted to go a bit more exotic but Its >>> thought that >>> it will be an exhibitor pleaser. And I agree it should do >>> well. Thank You, Mark > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, > Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From JR504 at aol.com Wed Sep 19 21:07:30 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:07:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster Message-ID: About 4 weeks ago I was riding my KIPS Equipped Kawasaki KDX and impaled my knee on a tree branch. It penetrated the joint far enough to yank my off the bike, split my MCL, and crack my femur. I'm walking again, even though it's still slow going. I'm not sure Maytags need KIPS Valves. They are already noisy enough. It would be easier to put Ski-Doos RAVE Valves on them anyway. Joe In a message dated 9/19/2007 3:05:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Chuck, > No, I don't have any with the KIPS power valve. In fact, I am so far > behind > technical developments that I had not heard of the KIPS power valves. Now > that I know about them, I want one for my Maytag 92 and another for my > Lambretta > 200 SX. Thanks for leading me into the light. > Ron Always have a minute for the word . heres one .... its a variable exhaust port http://www.dirtrider.net/justkdx/images/kipsvalves.gif Properly designed they work THats what they want the dominator oil for , these things . Chuck _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Sep 19 22:46:58 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:46:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster Message-ID: Hi Joe, I am sorry to hear your KIPS Equipped Kawasaki impaled your knee, split my MCL and cracked your femur. I wish you a good recovery. I would say speedy recovery but perhaps speed is involved enough already. What is your MCL? Do you recommend the Ski-Doo RAVE over the KIPS for the Maytag? Most of the Maytag torque occurs when it is either turning very slowly or stopped and is most noticeable as a resistance to movement. Can the Ski-Doo RAVE enhance Maytag performance? I was going to ask Evil Dave about the feasibility of filling the dead sections of the crankcase with Bondo to increase intake compression but I am afraid he'll only suggest I fill the whole thing and let it set up before trimming it. Anyway, I am certainly excited about all the advancements in the two-stroke world and it appears that the reality of the 40 HP Maytag will soon be achieved. Yes, I know there is a picture of one already but I suspect it was staged. Be well. Respectfully and with sympathy, Ron Mid-continent Maytag Preservation Plantation In a message dated 9/19/2007 11:08:29 PM Central Daylight Time, JR504 at aol.com writes: About 4 weeks ago I was riding my KIPS Equipped Kawasaki KDX and impaled my knee on a tree branch. It penetrated the joint far enough to yank my off the bike, split my MCL, and crack my femur. I'm walking again, even though it's still slow going. I'm not sure Maytags need KIPS Valves. They are already noisy enough. It would be easier to put Ski-Doos RAVE Valves on them anyway. Joe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 20 04:56:35 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:56:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil the final chapter Message-ID: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All, Here is a reply from Amsoil USA Peter, Oz Peter, Use the Saber Professional (ATP), but rather than a 100:1 mix ratio, use it at first at a 50:1 mix ratio. If it smokes too much, then slowly lean it out until you get a mix that does not smoke as much. This will perform well with the bushings in that Maytag application. Thank you, Aaron N. Anderson AMSOIL Technical Services From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 20 06:45:02 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:45:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil the final chapter In-Reply-To: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net> Hi Pete, I'm pretty sure that the 4,000:1 (which I recommended to you earlier) will "not smoke as much" as the 50:1. Try the 4,000:1 first and then make it a bit richer after running THE MISTAKE for an hour or so. No need to thank me for the advice. I'm always glad to help out a fellow MISTAKE owner! Dave PS, For those of you new to the List my collection of MISTAKES (and Craig Prucha's 40 HP MAYTAG) can be viewed at: http:// www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html PPS, Peter, you had BETTER get to portland in august of 2008--I will loan you one of my MISTAKES if you want to exhibit a static display! On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi All, > Here is a reply from Amsoil USA > Peter, Oz > > Peter, > Use the Saber Professional (ATP), but rather than a 100:1 mix > ratio, use it > at first at a 50:1 mix ratio. If it smokes too much, then slowly > lean it > out until you get a mix that does not smoke as much. This will > perform well > with the bushings in that Maytag application. > > Thank you, > Aaron N. Anderson > AMSOIL Technical Services From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Sep 20 07:08:06 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:08:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay 2008 Feature Engine GALLOWAY In-Reply-To: <836EBB7D-6F21-4EEA-BE88-76B1A1168ACB@alltel.net> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918091359.03c06c10@pop3.wcoil.com> <1190189302.46f0d8f67ad62@webmail.city-net.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070919084246.03025be0@pop3.wcoil.com> <836EBB7D-6F21-4EEA-BE88-76B1A1168ACB@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070920100206.034380f0@pop3.wcoil.com> Thats a deal. Remind me to remind ya. GRINN. There sure was some changes, I kinda liked her the way she was. But if you had not restored her we would not have this complete photo record of Ted Brookover detailing an engine from start to finish. A restoration well worth it if for no other reason then to imortalize Ted in action. Sincerely, Mark At 09:55 PM 9/19/07, you wrote: >Hi Mark, > The 16 HP Galloway will be there FOR SURE! I think I even know > where >the MAYTAG sign is and will be sure to bring it along in order to >make a proper display! (I may need a reminder, however, as time draws >near!) > Dave >PS, There have been a few changes since the MAYTAG sign hung on the >Galloway at Portland. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ >trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From JR504 at aol.com Thu Sep 20 07:21:34 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:21:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster Message-ID: Hi Ron, The MCL is the ligament that runs down inner side of the knee. The stick went through it and split it lengthwise. It is still attached at both ends, just has a hole in the middle of it. Thanks for the well wishes. Maytags don't spin very fast, at least in comparison the modern 2 strokes, so I don't think KIPS or RAVE valves would help them much. The KIPS valves on my Kawi don't start to open until 6,000 RPMS and the engine tops out near 10,000 RPMs. My Ski-Doo with the RAVE valves top out at around 9,500 RPMs. If you are seriously trying to wake a Maytag up a little I would bet filling in the base and a mild port/polish job would be the smartest/easiest path. You also might be able to make an insert for the area above the piston that changes the squish area, but that's a lot more work when there's no separate head. Joe In a message dated 9/20/2007 1:48:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: What is your MCL? Do you recommend the Ski-Doo RAVE over the KIPS for the Maytag? Most of the Maytag torque occurs when it is either turning very slowly or stopped and is most noticeable as a resistance to movement. Can the Ski-Doo RAVE enhance Maytag performance? I was going to ask Evil Dave about the feasibility of filling the dead sections of the crankcase with Bondo to increase intake compression but I am afraid he'll only suggest I fill the whole thing and let it set up before trimming it. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 20 14:49:55 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:49:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil the final chapter References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> <16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net> Message-ID: <000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> Dave wrote: > PPS, Peter, you had BETTER get to portland in august of 2008--I will > loan you one of my MISTAKES if you want to exhibit a static display! I would be honoured to display your wondrous little Maytag at Portland, now to save the $$$$$ ;-)) It would make showing such a breeze, it would start first kick and run all day allowing my to visit the swap meet and not have to top up the gas until later that afternoon ;-)) Peter, Oz From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 20 16:10:07 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:10:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil the final chapter In-Reply-To: <000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> <16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net> <000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <8C263784-DD95-44E8-A21E-C5A98EFEE885@alltel.net> On Sep 20, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Dave wrote: >> PPS, Peter, you had BETTER get to portland in august of 2008--I will >> loan you one of my MISTAKES if you want to exhibit a static display! > > > I would be honoured to display your wondrous little Maytag at > Portland, now > to save the $$$$$ ;-)) > It would make showing such a breeze, it would start first kick and > run all > day allowing my to visit the swap meet and not have to top up the > gas until > later that afternoon ;-)) > > Peter, Oz The one that I was thinking about loaning you would not have to be topped up for the entire show! Seriously Peter, all of us up top would love to see you again at Portland! The dollar is currently low enough that your exchange rate is GOOD. Start saving $$$$ now and you will be in good shape by the beginning of August! Dave From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 20 17:46:53 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:46:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster References: Message-ID: <007901c7fbe8$e8240e50$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Hi Ron, > The MCL is the ligament that runs down inner side of the knee. The stick > went through it and split it lengthwise. It is still attached at both > ends, > just has a hole in the middle of it. Thanks for the well wishes. > jeeminy dood OWowowowowowowow . My condolences to your cartilge and wish for a swift recovery .gotta have them sewed in kneepads man I wont kick one over without em . My knee its the ground 200 times before I finally get around to landing on my head . > Maytags don't spin very fast, at least in comparison the modern 2 strokes, > so I don't think KIPS or RAVE valves would help them much. Its a Maytag dude , it doesnt have to do much of anything besides change the ehaust note a little and have plenty of cool lookin' whirling brass bits . From JR504 at aol.com Thu Sep 20 21:48:45 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:48:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster Message-ID: I just want to say a quick thanks to all the well wishers. I appreciate your thoughts. I'm wobbling around with a big leg brace right now, and I expect to be back at full capacity in about another month. Time will tell, but it's looking pretty good so far. Thanks to everyone again, Joe > Hi Ron, > The MCL is the ligament that runs down inner side of the knee. The stick > went through it and split it lengthwise. It is still attached at both > ends, > just has a hole in the middle of it. Thanks for the well wishes. > jeeminy dood OWowowowowowowow . My condolences to your cartilge and wish for a swift recovery .gotta have them sewed in kneepads man I wont kick one over without em . My knee its the ground 200 times before I finally get around to landing on my head . ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 20 22:05:18 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:05:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Is that sweet International still available? On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:58 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Whassup? You forgot the most important attribute of your > "dedicated trailer" > engines; namely that you're up and running and enjoying a cold beer > while I'm > still unloading engines from the trailer!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270164286660 From oldironnut at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 06:09:12 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:09:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> Howdy gang, As I was looking at a picture of an IHC Famous, a random thought crossed my mind. Could you convert a low tension battery/coil fired IHC Famous over to a low tension mag fired engine and make it look "original?" If so, what would it take? Thanks, Mike From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 06:19:27 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:19:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Yup. I'll take it to the Coolspring swap in October and see if anyone is interested there. If you and Kelley are going to be there I can also bring the Austral so that you two will have something with which to play! Dave On Sep 21, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Is that sweet International still available? > > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:58 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> Whassup? You forgot the most important attribute of your >> "dedicated trailer" >> engines; namely that you're up and running and enjoying a cold beer >> while I'm >> still unloading engines from the trailer!! >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270164286660 From oldironnut at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 06:23:47 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:23:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <46F3C5E3.3060104@alltel.net> David Rotigel wrote: > If you and Kelley are going to be there I can also bring the Austral so that you two will have something with which > to play! > If they're BOTH going to be there then by definition they both have something with which to play ;-) ! Mike From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Sep 21 06:34:53 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:34:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Dave, do you have a paint code handy for your Famous? Friend has a 12 hp he's workin' on. TIA, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay > Yup. I'll take it to the Coolspring swap in October and see if anyone > is interested there. If you and Kelley are going to be there I can > also bring the Austral so that you two will have something with which > to play! > Dave > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > > > Is that sweet International still available? > > > > > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:58 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > > >> Whassup? You forgot the most important attribute of your > >> "dedicated trailer" > >> engines; namely that you're up and running and enjoying a cold beer > >> while I'm > >> still unloading engines from the trailer!! > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270164286660 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 07:04:31 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:04:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <7FE531F6-30D8-4DAB-B86A-CD6FBF7D385C@alltel.net> OMNI AE--mae 71310 c ihc oxblood red Dave On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Dave, do you have a paint code handy for your Famous? Friend has a > 12 hp > he's workin' on. > > TIA, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:19 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay > > >> Yup. I'll take it to the Coolspring swap in October and see if anyone >> is interested there. If you and Kelley are going to be there I can >> also bring the Austral so that you two will have something with which >> to play! >> Dave >> >> On Sep 21, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >>> >>> Is that sweet International still available? >>> >>> >>> On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:58 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >>> >>>> Whassup? You forgot the most important attribute of your >>>> "dedicated trailer" >>>> engines; namely that you're up and running and enjoying a cold beer >>>> while I'm >>>> still unloading engines from the trailer!! >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>>> ViewItem&rd=1&item=270164286660 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengineman at hotmail.com Fri Sep 21 07:13:49 2007 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:13:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement. My 6 hp. screen colled hit & miss Famous came with this conversion. How do I know it was changed? When I got the engine the original battery saver contacts were still in place thus indicating that the engine was originally furnished as a battery & coil fired ignitor engine. Pete Stauffer > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:09:12 -0400> From: oldironnut at alltel.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...."> > Howdy gang,> > As I was looking at a picture of an IHC Famous, a random thought crossed > my mind. Could you convert a low tension battery/coil fired IHC Famous > over to a low tension mag fired engine and make it look "original?" If > so, what would it take?> > Thanks,> Mike> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From Frank at lbpinc.com Fri Sep 21 07:14:22 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:14:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070921142115.ED36657D92@gw1.nlenet.net> I met a man at some shows this summer who takes extensive pictures of the shows. Here is a link to two good shows in the Rochester NY area Alexander '07: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4001561&a=30747490&f= Canandaigua '07: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4001561&a=30222776&f=0 My setup is at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4001561&a=30222776&p=75776266&f=0 It makes people smile and it gets me a good parking place at the shows. Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From oldironnut at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 07:35:24 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:35:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> Peter Stauffer wrote: > Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement. Pete, Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to try and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907 model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about? Thanks, Mike From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 21 08:05:08 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:05:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: <7FE531F6-30D8-4DAB-B86A-CD6FBF7D385C@alltel.net> References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> <7FE531F6-30D8-4DAB-B86A-CD6FBF7D385C@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46F3DDA4.5020007@imc-group.com> Dave, Ur slippin'. I just knew you were going to answer Rick with a simple "yes". Curt P.S. Rick, there is a color code for the very dark green for the flywheels you need too. I don't have that info here at work, but I bet someone will have the info handy...... David Rotigel wrote: > OMNI AE--mae 71310 c ihc oxblood red > Dave > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > >> Dave, do you have a paint code handy for your Famous? Friend has a >> 12 hp >> he's workin' on. >> >> TIA, >> RickinMt. >> >> >> From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 21 08:23:11 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:23:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <20070921142115.ED36657D92@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> <20070921142115.ED36657D92@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <46F3E1DF.4020509@imc-group.com> Frank DeWitt wrote: > I met a man at some shows this summer who takes extensive pictures of > the shows. Here is a link to two good shows in the Rochester NY area > > Alexander '07: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4001561&a=30747490&f= > > > Canandaigua '07: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4001561&a=30222776&f=0 > Frank, I keep telling myself that I gotta get to Canandaigua some year. Your photos confirm that, wow what a nice show with a great mix of engines, tractors, and steam. Hell I'd even watch the tractor pull to see hot babes like this pulling! Hey I bet antique gas engines pulled with Audi wagons are few and far between. You're traveling in style! Thanks for sharing the photos.....really enjoyed them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > > My setup is at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4001561&a=30222776&p=75776266&f=0 > > It makes people smile and it gets me a good parking place at the shows. > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 21 08:35:33 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46F3E4C5.5070808@imc-group.com> Mike, I have no clue if the 8HP and 4HP share the same bracket and mag, but if you learn they do, I have the setup for my engine and would gladly looks for a p/n on the bracket and take a few pictures. FWIW Ken Meeks was peddling the bracket and mag for a Famous a few years ago for $1000! He sold it and as you know he doesn't bend on his prices much. Curt Michael Tucker wrote: > Peter Stauffer wrote: > >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement. >> > > Pete, > > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to try > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907 > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about? > > Thanks, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Sep 21 08:31:20 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:31:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <46F3E1DF.4020509@imc-group.com> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech><20070921142115.ED36657D92@gw1.nlenet.net> <46F3E1DF.4020509@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590489FC5A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Curt, Just means he spends more on cars than he does on engines ;-) Of course if you go to end shows in Europe, you'll see some really nice engines being pulled by cars. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:23 AM Hey I bet antique gas engines pulled with Audi wagons are few and far between. You're traveling in style! Thanks for sharing the photos.....really enjoyed them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 09:47:46 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:47:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> Message-ID: <97D0A393-C175-4D4A-BBC0-7E07252415D9@alltel.net> On Sep 21, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Michael Tucker wrote: > Peter Stauffer wrote: >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, >> Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement. > > Pete, > > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to > try > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907 > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about? > > Thanks, > Mike 1913 according to Doc Schuster. Dave From oldironnut at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 09:57:36 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:57:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <97D0A393-C175-4D4A-BBC0-7E07252415D9@alltel.net> References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> <97D0A393-C175-4D4A-BBC0-7E07252415D9@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46F3F800.6070702@alltel.net> David Rotigel wrote: >> My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907 >> model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about? >> > 1913 according to Doc Schuster. Thanks for the info Dave. So were mags even available on IHC Famous engines before 1913? Mike From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 10:10:14 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:10:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <20070921142115.ED36657D92@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> <20070921142115.ED36657D92@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: > > My setup is at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto? > u=4001561&a=30222776&p=75776266&f=0 > It makes people smile and it gets me a good parking place at the > shows. > > Frank That's a good looking display Frank. Self contained, easy to haul and educational! Dave From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Sep 21 10:53:48 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:53:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." Message-ID: <380-220079521175348468@coastalnet.com> >From doing a few minutes searching patents, I see that Podlesak patented the mag in 1913, and it was reissued and assigned to Webster Electric in 1915, so perhaps that would be the beginning date of manufacture. There were also improvements made for several years. Take care. Ken > > 1913 according to Doc Schuster. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengineman at hotmail.com Fri Sep 21 11:40:43 2007 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:40:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <97D0A393-C175-4D4A-BBC0-7E07252415D9@alltel.net> References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> <97D0A393-C175-4D4A-BBC0-7E07252415D9@alltel.net> Message-ID: Mike, My 6 hp Famous was built in 1911, hence it was fitted from the factory with battery and coil ignitor ignition. Webster made the conversion kits available for many engines so that the user could update their engine to the latest and greatest form of ignition (at least in Webster's opinion) and at the same time do away with troublesome batteries. I'll try to get some pictures of the setup on my engine this weekend. Pete > From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:47:46 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...."> > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Michael Tucker wrote:> > > Peter Stauffer wrote:> >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, > >> Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement.> >> > Pete,> >> > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks> > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to > > try> > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907> > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about?> >> > Thanks,> > Mike> > 1913 according to Doc Schuster.> Dave> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words?? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink From Frank at lbpinc.com Fri Sep 21 12:32:43 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:32:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures Message-ID: <20070921194116.69B8B594A0@gw1.nlenet.net> Here is a pix of the lower board I can't put power to most of this. Note the condolet mounted outlets, and the sockets with bare terminals. http://lbpinc.com/lower%20bd.jpg Frank From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Sep 21 13:49:48 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:49:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> <97D0A393-C175-4D4A-BBC0-7E07252415D9@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46F42E6C.3000004@scrtc.com> I have a 6 HP Famous that has the flat bar Webster on it. What year did the flat bars come into use? Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > >Mike, > >My 6 hp Famous was built in 1911, hence it was fitted from the factory with battery and coil ignitor ignition. Webster made the conversion kits available for many engines so that the user could update their engine to the latest and greatest form of ignition (at least in Webster's opinion) and at the same time do away with troublesome batteries. I'll try to get some pictures of the setup on my engine this weekend. > >Pete > > >>From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:47:46 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...."> > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Michael Tucker wrote:> > > Peter Stauffer wrote:> >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, > >> Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement.> >> > Pete,> >> > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks> > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to > > try> > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907> > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about?> >> > Thanks,> > Mike> > 1913 according to Doc Schuster.> Dave> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! >http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 21 14:00:48 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:00:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures References: <20070921194116.69B8B594A0@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <007f01c7fc92$7cb1f290$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Man you got em all , only thing missing is a butter knife hanging by a ball chain . > Note the condolet mounted outlets, and the sockets with bare terminals. > > http://lbpinc.com/lower%20bd.jpg > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Sep 21 15:55:51 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:55:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com><46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> Message-ID: <038401c7fca2$91c35e70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Mike, I had a Jack Junior that I ran, including starting, with a auto fan motor with a rubber roller on the shaft, that was mounted with spring pressure against the bottom of one flywheel. Also, there were dc generators made to be fitted to do away with batteries. The primary windings of an HT mag will supply enough power to fire an igniter too. So, a mag with stuffed secondary windings can be used with minor internal mods. Lastly, there are a lot of AC low tension generators, called LT Mags. any one can be fitted with a chain or gear drive to your engine. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." > Peter Stauffer wrote: >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, Tri-polar >> Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement. > > Pete, > > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to try > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907 > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about? > > Thanks, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri Sep 21 17:20:07 2007 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:20:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." Message-ID: In a reprint IHC catalog, which I'm pretty sure is a 1912 edition, it shows the flat bar Webster. The same catalog also shows a Wizard mag, and an Autosparker used on IHC engines, both of these show up on ebay from time to time. These were mounted on a bracket and driven off of the flywheel rim. My 8hp IHC has the Autosparker, the engine was started with the battery & coil, then switched over to the Autosparker. Dwight ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Sep 21 18:46:19 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:46:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <46F42E6C.3000004@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20070922014623.154A939241A@mx-in04.iad.mail-abuse.org> Tommy, One of my IHC parts books list the flat bars on 08-09's Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." I have a 6 HP Famous that has the flat bar Webster on it. What year did the flat bars come into use? Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > >Mike, > >My 6 hp Famous was built in 1911, hence it was fitted from the factory with battery and coil ignitor ignition. Webster made the conversion kits available for many engines so that the user could update their engine to the latest and greatest form of ignition (at least in Webster's opinion) and at the same time do away with troublesome batteries. I'll try to get some pictures of the setup on my engine this weekend. > >Pete > > >>From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:47:46 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...."> > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Michael Tucker wrote:> > > Peter Stauffer wrote:> >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, > >> Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement.> >> > Pete,> >> > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks> > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to > > try> > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907> > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about?> >> > Thanks,> > Mike> > 1913 according to Doc Schuster.> Dave> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! >http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Sep 21 19:24:45 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:24:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <20070922014623.154A939241A@mx-in04.iad.mail-abuse.org> References: <20070922014623.154A939241A@mx-in04.iad.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <46F47CED.5040000@scrtc.com> I had been told by someone that the flatbars began in '07 but I didn't know if that was correct or not. Maybe so based on the catalog you have. My old 6 HP that has the flat bar is a story of contrasts. The mag was taken off the engine in the teens. The gent didn't want it to get wet so it was placed in the shop. The engine was parked under a tree out back. It sat there for 60 years. The mag sat in the shop the same number. The mag looks almost new. The engine looks like heck. One of these days I'll put it back to match the mag....... yeah, one of these days. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Jim O'Hagan wrote: >Tommy, One of my IHC parts books list the flat bars on 08-09's > >Jim O'Hagan >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy >Turner >Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:50 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." > >I have a 6 HP Famous that has the flat bar Webster on it. What year did >the flat bars come into use? > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, Ky > > > > >>Mike, >> >>My 6 hp Famous was built in 1911, hence it was fitted from the factory with >> >> >battery and coil ignitor ignition. Webster made the conversion kits >available for many engines so that the user could update their engine to the >latest and greatest form of ignition (at least in Webster's opinion) and at >the same time do away with troublesome batteries. I'll try to get some >pictures of the setup on my engine this weekend. > > >>Pete >> >> >> >> >>>From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:47:46 -0400> To: >>> >>> >sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could >you...."> > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Michael Tucker wrote:> > > Peter >Stauffer wrote:> >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor >bracket, > >> Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip >arrangement.> >> > Pete,> >> > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in >a way that looks> > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where >would I go to > > try> > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous >is a 1907> > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about?> >> > >Thanks,> > Mike> > 1913 according to Doc Schuster.> Dave> >_______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! >>http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 22 02:58:04 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:58:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil the final chapter References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech><16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net><000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> <8C263784-DD95-44E8-A21E-C5A98EFEE885@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001401c7fcff$11d74890$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Dave Looks like it is an 80% chance of me coming over for Portland 2008. So let's all plan to be there and have another real International Hoot and beer tasting like last time. Peter, Oz > The one that I was thinking about loaning you would not have to be > topped up for the entire show! Seriously Peter, all of us up top > would love to see you again at Portland! The dollar is currently low > enough that your exchange rate is GOOD. Start saving $$$$ now and you > will be in good shape by the beginning of August! > Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 22 04:39:52 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:39:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=250163461257&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015 http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in areas, say, like La Habra? From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 05:50:37 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:50:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Boy, That's a NEAT unit! I wish I had seen it! I'll bet I could have had Jim and Dolly pick it up for me. Dave On Sep 22, 2007, at 7:39 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&rd=1&item=250163461257&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015 > > http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs > > > Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya > think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, > so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in > areas, say, like La Habra? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 06:09:16 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:09:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: <378989BA-3454-4772-9666-48A6D9EDA914@alltel.net> Will this government WELFARE program survive? See: http:// www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297681,00.html Dave From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 22 07:23:36 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:23:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net><7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au><02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Bamford on eBay > Boy, That's a NEAT unit! I wish I had seen it! I'll bet I could have > had Jim and Dolly pick it up for me. > Dave > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 7:39 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >> ViewItem&rd=1&item=250163461257&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015 >> http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs >> Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya >> think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, >> so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in >> areas, say, like La Habra? -engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Hi Dave, Its only 10 miles away from me. If anyone bought it I could pick it up & store it until transport was arranged. I cannot arrange any international transport however but would help anyone that could. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 11:44:29 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:44:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net><7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au><02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: On Sep 22, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Dave Croft wrote: > > >> Boy, That's a NEAT unit! I wish I had seen it! I'll bet I could have >> had Jim and Dolly pick it up for me. >> Dave > > Hi Dave, Its only 10 miles away from me. > If anyone bought it I could pick it up & store it > until transport was arranged. > I cannot arrange any international transport however > but would help anyone that could. > Dave Croft Hi Dave, I'll see if I can find out it the unit is still available and see what it will take to buy it. It looks like an excellent price if the seller has set his reserve close to the starting price. I'll be in touch if I can make a deal on it! THANKS!!!!!!! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 12:45:13 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:45:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <0A3A9A6A-D447-4B39-91F5-28B7E9F0DE27@alltel.net> > http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs > > > Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya > think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, > so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in > areas, say, like La Habra? I'm wondering (now that I think about this a bit longer) why Arnie didn't jump on it. I know he is interested in pumping water at shows and that he has several "searches" going all the time on the UK eBay. I've sent several posts to Arnie, but no response. Perhaps he has been called back to Korea. Dave PS, Perhaps I'm premature on this. Arnie usually only posts to the List when he is at work! Perhaps I'll hear from him on Monday. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 22 13:13:36 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:13:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net><7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au><02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <2ADA5F45-8E43-45B9-B2AA-7454F2F758F3@rustyiron.com> On Sep 22, 2007, at 11:44 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > I'll see if I can find out it the unit is still available and see > what it will take to buy it. It looks like an excellent price if the > seller has set his reserve close to the starting price. I'll be in > touch if I can make a deal on it! THANKS!!!!!!! > Dave Ya bloody vulture! Swooping in for the kill, are ya? Is there no honor left in the world? From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 11:41:42 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:41:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <6f6025160709221141s3688663bk82de67b1b35760d1@mail.gmail.com> On 22/09/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Dave, > I'll see if I can find out it the unit is still available and see > what it will take to buy it. It looks like an excellent price if the > seller has set his reserve close to the starting price. I'll be in > touch if I can make a deal on it! THANKS!!!!!!! > Dave We can get it down to 'Dolly Country', we are up that way soon and can take the trailer up, although it will probably go in the van. Pick up from Dave Croft or the vendor if you get a deal sorted. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 14:29:54 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:29:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <6f6025160709221141s3688663bk82de67b1b35760d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> <6f6025160709221141s3688663bk82de67b1b35760d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2684CB99-6815-4D6E-A24C-8ADC1B565091@alltel.net> On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 22/09/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > >> Hi Dave, >> I'll see if I can find out it the unit is still available >> and see >> what it will take to buy it. It looks like an excellent price if the >> seller has set his reserve close to the starting price. I'll be in >> touch if I can make a deal on it! THANKS!!!!!!! >> Dave > > We can get it down to 'Dolly Country', we are up that way soon and can > take the trailer up, although it will probably go in the van. > > Pick up from Dave Croft or the vendor if you get a deal sorted. > > Peter Hi Peter, It's GREAT to have friends (all over the world!) THANKS! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 14:31:56 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:31:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <2ADA5F45-8E43-45B9-B2AA-7454F2F758F3@rustyiron.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net><7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au><02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> <2ADA5F45-8E43-45B9-B2AA-7454F2F758F3@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: On Sep 22, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 11:44 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > >> I'll see if I can find out it the unit is still available and see >> what it will take to buy it. It looks like an excellent price if the >> seller has set his reserve close to the starting price. I'll be in >> touch if I can make a deal on it! THANKS!!!!!!! >> Dave > > Ya bloody vulture! > Swooping in for the kill, are ya? > Is there no honor left in the world? Hi Rob, Are you interested in the unit? I had no idea! If I get it we can flip for it. Is that fair enough with you? Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 22 14:38:46 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:38:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net><7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au><02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> <2ADA5F45-8E43-45B9-B2AA-7454F2F758F3@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <2EF1F3DA-4453-43DA-8DF0-985EA97EAAF4@rustyiron.com> On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:31 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Rob, Are you interested in the unit? I had no idea! If I get it we > can flip for it. Is that fair enough with you? > Dave Right on, bro. Paper-scissors-rock doesn't work via email. Heads or tails, I don't care. You choose. Have Jennie flip for us. Rob From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 22 15:14:21 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:14:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks and IHC manuals needed Message-ID: <200709230023984.SM00824@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, I seem to remember that someone posted a link to a manual for a Fairbanks Morse ZC a few months ago. A friend has a 6 H.P. and I'd like to get the manual for him, Does anyone know where there is one. I'm also looking for a manual for and IHC "M" 6 H.P. if anyone knows where I can download one. All help appreciated. Thanks Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). 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Republic of South Africa From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 05:23:32 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:23:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160709220523ie1f55f9m75e98ae337a0fb8b@mail.gmail.com> On 22/09/2007, Rob Skinner wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&rd=1&item=250163461257&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015 > > http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs > > > Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya > think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, > so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in > areas, say, like La Habra? > Looks like the OV1 5hp vertical, like the way he says: "Low starting price, no reserve" It's too high a starting price for the unit, although it is probably worth the asking price. If he had started at ?250 he would probably have sold it for ?300+ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 16:30:55 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:30:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <6f6025160709220523ie1f55f9m75e98ae337a0fb8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <6f6025160709220523ie1f55f9m75e98ae337a0fb8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C62EE2E-89E7-4FF8-A984-22194929E5E3@alltel.net> On Sep 22, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 22/09/2007, Rob Skinner wrote: >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >> ViewItem&rd=1&item=250163461257&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015 >> http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs >> Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya >> think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, >> so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in >> areas, say, like La Habra? > > Looks like the OV1 5hp vertical, like the way he says: > "Low starting price, no reserve" > It's too high a starting price for the unit, although it is probably > worth the asking price. > If he had started at ?250 he would probably have sold it for ?300+ > Peter WOW Peter, A similar unit on this side of the pond (with a Hercules or Witte engine) would sell for at least US$1,800.00 (maybe MORE.) Perhaps I'm missing something--what is the current exchange rate? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 16:33:21 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:33:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <2EF1F3DA-4453-43DA-8DF0-985EA97EAAF4@rustyiron.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net><7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au><02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> <2ADA5F45-8E43-45B9-B2AA-7454F2F758F3@rustyiron.com> <2EF1F3DA-4453-43DA-8DF0-985EA97EAAF4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: On Sep 22, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:31 PM, David Rotigel wrote: >> Hi Rob, Are you interested in the unit? I had no idea! If I get it we >> can flip for it. Is that fair enough with you? >> Dave > > Right on, bro. Paper-scissors-rock doesn't work via email. Heads or > tails, I don't care. You choose. Have Jennie flip for us. > > Rob Let's see if I can make a deal on the unit first--then we will flip! Dave PS, Why wouldn't paper-scissors-rock work between us on e-mail? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 22 22:17:52 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:17:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 - The Aussie Invasion In-Reply-To: <001401c7fcff$11d74890$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech><16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net><000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> <8C263784-DD95-44E8-A21E-C5A98EFEE885@alltel.net> <001401c7fcff$11d74890$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <1190524672.46f5f7008b9f2@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Pete, Two words mate... Bundy Rum. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Just for grins, see if you can drag Reg and Kerry across the pond with ya! PPS - Now we just need to work on that English & Scottish mob. Quoting Peter Lowe : > Looks like it is an 80% chance of me coming over for Portland 2008. > So let's all plan to be there and have another real International Hoot and > beer tasting like last time. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 22 22:49:50 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:49:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1190526590.46f5fe7e50fba@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Rob, Dunno how to break it to ya bro.... That ain't hard water out your way. That's TAR!! 8-)) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Brea_Tar_Pits Tar ale... Who knows, might be tasty. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Rob Skinner : > http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs > > Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya > think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, > so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in > areas, say, like La Habra? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Sep 22 22:33:20 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 - The Aussie Invasion References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech><16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net><000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech><8C263784-DD95-44E8-A21E-C5A98EFEE885@alltel.net><001401c7fcff$11d74890$0601a8c0@altech> <1190524672.46f5f7008b9f2@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <015a01c7fda3$412c7e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I am planning! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; "Peter Lowe" Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2008 - The Aussie Invasion > G'day Pete, > > Two words mate... Bundy Rum. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Just for grins, see if you can drag Reg and Kerry across the pond > with ya! > PPS - Now we just need to work on that English & Scottish mob. > > Quoting Peter Lowe : > >> Looks like it is an 80% chance of me coming over for Portland 2008. >> So let's all plan to be there and have another real International Hoot >> and >> beer tasting like last time. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 23 13:42:42 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:42:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: References: <200709230023765.SM00824@new.databak.co.za> <20070922234519.792AB2EE16@ns3.xcountry.tv> <002a01c7fd7b$2421ad20$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61> <5.2.1.1.0.20070923172706.00b1b938@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1190575354.46f6bcfa1d4ea@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1190580162.46f6cfc24fec6@webmail.city-net.com> Or to put it another way Peter, you can't organize anarchy. 8-)) A Wiki is no better or worse than any other source (net, book, scrawl on a restroom wall). If the info is critical to your well being, you bloody well better do multi-source confirmation. The beauty of the Wiki concept is that those who have a passion can and will contribute. And as Rob sez, the process is painless. To all engine men and women... Go forth and publish to the Wiki!! See ya, Arnie PS - I can't WAIT to see Dave's piece on Fred's Mistake (and Ron & Mark's rebuttals). Quoting Rob Skinner : > On Sep 23, 2007, at 12:22 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > OK folks, who's gonna be the first to write their bit in Wikipedia? > > > Me first! Me first! > > Wiki on Richard Hornsby. There was already an article, so I added > the bit titled "Entry into the internal combustion engine market." > > ALSO, I created a category named "Stationary Engines". Whatever > wiki entries you make, please make sure to add it to the Stationary > Engine category. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stationary_engine > Rob > > P.S. > Try it out. It's not as hard as it looks. Even if you just have a > sentence or two, type it in. The beauty of wiki is that other people > can come by later and fill in the blanks. > > P.P.S. > DAVE! Wiki on Maytag. No one has said anything about Fred's > Mistakes. Now is your chance to immortalize your thoughts on these > smoke spewing abominations. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 15:13:18 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <630246.95330.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay Folks, I am puzzled here, I just looked at my Epson PhotoCenter site and where did the 804 people come from that have hit that Shotgun Maytag folder? That seems like a lot of hits since I just posted the address to these two engine lists. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Alan Bowen wrote: Howdy Folks, Here is a link to some pictures I just uploaded. I supposed I should call this a Maytag Rifle, but Shotgun Maytag is the term used so I stick with it. I did a lot of refining on the gun, but I think it was 1999 when I bought the whole works, Maytag single engine, the "gun" and the stand. Very funny story how I bought this whole thing for $80.00 too,,,,, 8>)) The P.O. said he had used it at least five years so this one has been around quite a while. Here's the link. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32587378&f=0 Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 23 15:50:45 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:50:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <630246.95330.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <630246.95330.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FE38F28-ACDE-4862-B4EE-D25D0CFD5366@alltel.net> On Sep 23, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Okay Folks, > I am puzzled here, > I just looked at my Epson PhotoCenter site and where did the 804 > people come from that have hit that Shotgun Maytag folder? > Alan Bowen They all came from a union of a sperm and an egg! Dave PS, Books, school, eat! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 08:23:27 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:23:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 - The Aussie Invasion In-Reply-To: <015a01c7fda3$412c7e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> <16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net> <000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> <8C263784-DD95-44E8-A21E-C5A98EFEE885@alltel.net> <001401c7fcff$11d74890$0601a8c0@altech> <1190524672.46f5f7008b9f2@webmail.city-net.com> <015a01c7fda3$412c7e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160709230823t62b667ej89557f006e4fa19c@mail.gmail.com> On 23/09/2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > I am planning! > Reg & Marg Ingold. No good planning, get the tickets! and bring Margie this time.... We are committed to next year's show. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 18:29:42 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:29:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <6C62EE2E-89E7-4FF8-A984-22194929E5E3@alltel.net> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <6f6025160709220523ie1f55f9m75e98ae337a0fb8b@mail.gmail.com> <6C62EE2E-89E7-4FF8-A984-22194929E5E3@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160709221829k2debe086r6d58bc72027cfd22@mail.gmail.com> On 23/09/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > Looks like the OV1 5hp vertical, like the way he says: > > "Low starting price, no reserve" > > It's too high a starting price for the unit, although it is probably > > worth the asking price. > > If he had started at ?250 he would probably have sold it for ?300+ > > Peter > > WOW Peter, A similar unit on this side of the pond (with a Hercules > or Witte engine) would sell for at least US$1,800.00 (maybe MORE.) > Perhaps I'm missing something--what is the current exchange rate? > Dave Firstly, it is not a 'rare' or collectable engine, although it is interesting. Secondly it is a heavy lump and therefore not as easily handled than a smaller engine, which would put people off over here. Different if it had been a 'Tulip Top' Bamford which is much more collectable. Exchange rate is $2.009 to the ?STG at present. Don't forget also that we don't have the heavy transportation kit over here that you guys have in the 'States, most people only have family cars with less than a ton total trailer weight. People like us who are able to use the larger vans etc for towing are a minority generally. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From milo at hughes.net Sun Sep 23 18:37:55 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:37:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <630246.95330.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <630246.95330.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c7fe4b$8df674d0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen >Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:13 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Cc: Old Engine.Org List >Subject: Re: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag > >Okay Folks, > >I am puzzled here, >I just looked at my Epson PhotoCenter site and where did the 804 people >come from that have hit that Shotgun Maytag folder? > >That seems like a lot of hits since I just posted the address to these two >engine lists. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > Well Howdy Alan! Long time no see. All my fault. Got caught up in the "corporate" machine. Liked to tore me up, mentally, and physically. Retired the end of August. Been looking at a Russell Road Patrol Grader. Might be my first "big" project. It has a McCormick Deering F-20, or 1020 engine. The engine is "stuck" but looks like it's been out of the weather enough, to be salvable. We'll see. Looking forward to getting re-acquainted with everyone. Peace Milo No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: 9/22/2007 1:27 PM From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Sep 24 03:25:59 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:25:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Can someone help Gary with Listeroid info - he is thinking of buying one to run a generator at home Message-ID: <46F790B7.2080001@steamengine.com.au> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: Indian copy Listers Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:45:40 +1000 From: Gary McDonnell To: Paul Pavlinovich References: <37D78104A9424740B9D14867A3597D6F19B7F7 at pskfs02.kens.peterstevens.org> <46F63C59.1070003 at steamengine.com.au> Please do Paul .Having it straight from the horses mouth is the best way Regards Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Paul Pavlinovich [mailto:paulp at steamengine.com.au] *Sent:* Sunday, 23 September 2007 8:14 PM *To:* Gary McDonnell *Subject:* Re: Indian copy Listers Gary McDonnell wrote: Hi Paul. Have you had any dealings with Indian made lister diesel engine copies? I have bought land and the cost of putting grid power on is horrendous so I was planning to make my Own ! I have seen Chinese A/C generator heads married to these Lister copies. Regards GAry Hi Gary, No I haven't. I have several friends in the USA who have them. Would you like me to pass on your address to them? Regards Paul From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Sep 24 03:29:18 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:29:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> <7FE531F6-30D8-4DAB-B86A-CD6FBF7D385C@alltel.net> <46F3DDA4.5020007@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Howdy Curt; Yes, I'm sure my friend would appreciate an Omni paint code for the green flywheels also. He is also looking for the many removed parts that were taken off. It's a shame these log splitter engines are so bare. If anyone knows of any 12hp Famous tank cooled parts, including the head...sure he'd appreciate it. Best Regards, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay > Dave, Ur slippin'. I just knew you were going to answer Rick with a > simple "yes". > Curt > P.S. Rick, there is a color code for the very dark green for the > flywheels you need too. I don't have that info here at work, but I bet > someone will have the info handy...... > > David Rotigel wrote: > > OMNI AE--mae 71310 c ihc oxblood red > > Dave > > > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > > >> Dave, do you have a paint code handy for your Famous? Friend has a > >> 12 hp > >> he's workin' on. > >> > >> TIA, > >> RickinMt. > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 24 04:31:40 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:31:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Identify engine part please Message-ID: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Can anyone identify this barrel for me please. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/my%20engines/identify.htm Peter, Oz From svsuzanne at copper.net Mon Sep 24 05:50:55 2007 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:50:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <378989BA-3454-4772-9666-48A6D9EDA914@alltel.net> References: <378989BA-3454-4772-9666-48A6D9EDA914@alltel.net> Message-ID: I cannot believe that someone did not check this out before they made the stuff. Sounds like a tabloid to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Will this government WELFARE program survive? See: http:// > www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297681,00.html > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: > 9/22/2007 1:27 PM > > From svsuzanne at copper.net Mon Sep 24 05:50:55 2007 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:50:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <378989BA-3454-4772-9666-48A6D9EDA914@alltel.net> References: <378989BA-3454-4772-9666-48A6D9EDA914@alltel.net> Message-ID: <009F2F3242874F9CB9DE86F5EE02D75B@DanPC> I cannot believe that someone did not check this out before they made the stuff. Sounds like a tabloid to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Will this government WELFARE program survive? See: http:// > www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297681,00.html > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: > 9/22/2007 1:27 PM > > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 24 06:28:47 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:58:47 +0930 Subject: [SEL] paskeville, south aust. 2007 References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32589881&f= A deserted paskeville display area, From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 24 06:47:32 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:47:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <009F2F3242874F9CB9DE86F5EE02D75B@DanPC> References: <378989BA-3454-4772-9666-48A6D9EDA914@alltel.net> <009F2F3242874F9CB9DE86F5EE02D75B@DanPC> Message-ID: <55134855-58FB-48EB-A283-DDC992C7788C@alltel.net> Hh Suzanne, Sounds to me as if you are making money off this government WELFARE program! Dave On Sep 24, 2007, at 8:50 AM, wrote: > I cannot believe that someone did not check this out before they > made the > stuff. Sounds like a tabloid to me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" tractor.com>; > "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:09 AM > Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> Will this government WELFARE program survive? See: http:// >> www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297681,00.html >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: >> 9/22/2007 1:27 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Sep 24 06:53:48 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:53:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] paskeville, south aust. 2007 In-Reply-To: <000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos> References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech> <000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com> At 09:28 AM 9/24/07, you wrote: >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32589881&f= > > >A deserted paskeville display area, Hi Derek, Are you saying this Is a small showing for this event? If so what do you think was the cause? Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 24 07:17:15 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:47:15 +0930 Subject: [SEL] paskeville, south aust. 2007 References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech><000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos> <6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos> It was setup day, no engines running. I could have loaded my empty truck and driven away, there was not an owner to be seen. Will see what it is like in 3 days when i have to go back. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] paskeville, south aust. 2007 > At 09:28 AM 9/24/07, you wrote: >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32589881&f= >> From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 08:59:22 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:59:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag References: <630246.95330.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005001c7fec3$dfd2cb00$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > That seems like a lot of hits since I just posted the address to these two > engine lists. Maybe someone put it on a message board somewhere From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 11:55:39 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:55:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki References: <200709230023765.SM00824@new.databak.co.za><20070922234519.792AB2EE16@ns3.xcountry.tv><002a01c7fd7b$2421ad20$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61><5.2.1.1.0.20070923172706.00b1b938@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1190575354.46f6bcfa1d4ea@webmail.city-net.com> <1190580162.46f6cfc24fec6@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> >> > OK folks, who's gonna be the first to write their bit in Wikipedia? >> I see the line , "Mathis Texas also intersects with the highest orbits of the brasss era motorcycle , antique engine, and machinegun collectiing fraternities " has been removed , and my IP blocked . LOL Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 24 13:17:29 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <200709230023765.SM00824@new.databak.co.za><20070922234519.792AB2EE16@ns3.xcountry.tv><002a01c7fd7b$2421ad20$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61><5.2.1.1.0.20070923172706.00b1b938@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1190575354.46f6bcfa1d4ea@webmail.city-net.com> <1190580162.46f6cfc24fec6@webmail.city-net.com> <007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Damn control freaks!! Wonder what they'll do with some of the better Maytag entries? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > >> > OK folks, who's gonna be the first to write their bit in Wikipedia? > >> > > I see the line , "Mathis Texas also intersects with the highest orbits of > the brasss era motorcycle , > antique engine, and machinegun collectiing fraternities " has been removed > , and my IP blocked . LOL From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 12:55:16 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <005001c7fec3$dfd2cb00$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <840704.14483.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Could be,, It just keeps going. 866 a minute ago. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Chuck Balyeat wrote: > That seems like a lot of hits since I just posted the address to these two > engine lists. Maybe someone put it on a message board somewhere _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 13:51:08 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:51:08 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I tend to agree it does sounds like scaremongery notice the heading states "may produce more greenhouse gases" they also mention that the test was done by burning? how ie by internal combustion we are not sure how does the fuel rate after being processed by the emission controls in the vehicle we dont know i am suspect on it the first professor was being causious about not jumping on the bandwagon about biofuels i think we should do the same would prefer to see more actual info relating to the tests they performed as what is written is not conclusive in any way brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of svsuzanne at copper.net Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:51 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! I cannot believe that someone did not check this out before they made the stuff. Sounds like a tabloid to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Will this government WELFARE program survive? See: http:// > www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297681,00.html > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: > 9/22/2007 1:27 PM > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 14:01:17 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:01:17 +1200 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Chuck i just checked out your site i thought your electrolsis info was very clear with good explanations i agree with you with the mollasas treatment it works very well thanks for sharing brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 6:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki >> > OK folks, who's gonna be the first to write their bit in Wikipedia? >> I see the line , "Mathis Texas also intersects with the highest orbits of the brasss era motorcycle , antique engine, and machinegun collectiing fraternities " has been removed , and my IP blocked . LOL Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Sep 24 14:51:29 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:51:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] paskeville, south aust. 2007 In-Reply-To: <000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos> References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech> <000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos> <6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com> <000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070925075054.01b00c30@ncable.com.au> Derek when you go back get some more info on the "model" hornsby, looks interesting? regards Russell At 12:17 AM 25/09/2007, you wrote: >It was setup day, no engines running. I could have loaded my empty truck >and driven away, there was not an owner to be seen. > Will see what it is like in 3 days when i have to go back. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Shulaw" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:23 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] paskeville, south aust. 2007 > > > > At 09:28 AM 9/24/07, you wrote: > >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32589881&f= > >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 24 15:07:35 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:07:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <200709230023765.SM00824@new.databak.co.za><20070922234519.792AB2EE16@ns3.xcountry.tv><002a01c7fd7b$2421ad20$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61><5.2.1.1.0.20070923172706.00b1b938@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1190575354.46f6bcfa1d4ea@webmail.city-net.com> <1190580162.46f6cfc24fec6@webmail.city-net.com> <007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <6A621590-AED4-42FD-A3EA-B1177A1280F9@rustyiron.com> On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > > I see the line , "Mathis Texas also intersects with the highest > orbits of > the brasss era motorcycle , > antique engine, and machinegun collectiing fraternities " has > been removed > , and my IP blocked . LOL Hi Chuck, That's the first place I looked last night, knowing that you wikified da hood well over a year ago. Sadly, it appears that da man smacked you down. Bummer. From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 24 15:24:53 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:24:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Got you all stump again Message-ID: <001201c7fef9$bb205a80$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All Looks like I got you stump again on the barrel http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/my%20engines/identify.htm Does anyone know a good link to a marine engine web site to ask them? Peter, Oz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 16:27:05 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:27:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki References: <200709230023765.SM00824@new.databak.co.za><20070922234519.792AB2EE16@ns3.xcountry.tv><002a01c7fd7b$2421ad20$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61><5.2.1.1.0.20070923172706.00b1b938@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1190575354.46f6bcfa1d4ea@webmail.city-net.com><1190580162.46f6cfc24fec6@webmail.city-net.com><007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6A621590-AED4-42FD-A3EA-B1177A1280F9@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <00fb01c7ff02$6b4acc30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Sadly, it appears that da man smacked you down. Bummer.>>>rob /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// And its all true . I do tend toward hyperbole sometimes , but that was no excageration . The flame cock , hot tube safety etc that I darted out in patent Websterspeak, were all replaced by something that was replaced by something else and so forth , long before I made my fateful jibe . I think the flame cock stuff is entirely gone now with only a sorta footnote( that they suck , and they sure do in a cool way ) . Just dont get too attached , or spend a bunch of time and get your knickers in a twist when they nuke it . It is more of a bathroom wall than a repository of anything . Like a newspaper with 20 million editors , that never makes it to print You've no doubt heard the saying "Those who write on bathroom walls ," . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/BALYEATAUTO.html From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 16:40:36 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:40:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki References: Message-ID: <00fc01c7ff04$4f44ced0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Kia ora vato ! I think that Trusty was from over your way . They got piles of cool Victorian stuff just laying around for the pickin I hear . Chuck > Chuck i just checked out your site i thought your electrolsis info was > very > clear with good explanations i agree with you with the mollasas treatment > it > works very well thanks for sharing brent > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 16:58:14 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:58:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The road to bypass References: <00fc01c7ff04$4f44ced0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <001401c7ff06$c574eed0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Is paved with bologne sandwichs !!! In case you missed it --- and you mustnt http://www.flashbackfab.com/pages/excel03.html Its a 1919 Excelsior boardtracker OHC engne and all , fabbed from a photo of the right hand side . Not this photo ! http://www.khulsey.com/motorcycles/zoom_excelsior.html Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 24 17:02:25 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:02:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nixon auction October 20 Message-ID: <003101c7ff07$5af77810$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Anyone going to this auction on Ogden, Utah on October 20??? I would love photos of the three R&V engines for sale and also serial numbers. http://nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/nelson_listing/ http://nixonauctioneers.com/listings/pictures/nelson/Root%20&%20Vandervoort%204%206%208%20HP.jpg Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 24 17:47:43 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:47:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <00fb01c7ff02$6b4acc30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <200709230023765.SM00824@new.databak.co.za><20070922234519.792AB2EE16@ns3.xcountry.tv><002a01c7fd7b$2421ad20$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61><5.2.1.1.0.20070923172706.00b1b938@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1190575354.46f6bcfa1d4ea@webmail.city-net.com><1190580162.46f6cfc24fec6@webmail.city-net.com><007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6A621590-AED4-42FD-A3EA-B1177A1280F9@rustyiron.com> <00fb01c7ff02$6b4acc30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <9796249A-68F3-44F7-8148-9B17F90F98DA@rustyiron.com> On Sep 24, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Just dont get too attached , or spend a bunch of time and get your > knickers in a twist when they nuke it Right on. Last night I started putting hyperlinks to other engine related wikis and found a lot of errors. I corrected a few, then came across one wiki that was just so screwed up that there was no way to fix it. So I quit. I did my part, now I'm done. If anyone needs precise technical information, they're best off coming here. Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 24 18:13:19 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:13:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 - The Aussie Invasion In-Reply-To: <6f6025160709230823t62b667ej89557f006e4fa19c@mail.gmail.com> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> <16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net> <000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> <8C263784-DD95-44E8-A21E-C5A98EFEE885@alltel.net> <001401c7fcff$11d74890$0601a8c0@altech> <1190524672.46f5f7008b9f2@webmail.city-net.com> <015a01c7fda3$412c7e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6f6025160709230823t62b667ej89557f006e4fa19c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sep 23, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 23/09/2007, R & M Ingold wrote: >> I am planning! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > No good planning, get the tickets! and bring Margie this time.... > We are committed to next year's show. > Peter Given the interest in Portland 2008 from everyone outside the US it appears as if we yanks may be outnumbered! Dave From JR504 at aol.com Mon Sep 24 19:27:30 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:27:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, this is nothing more than a mouthpiece article for big oil, taking a shot at Biodiesel and Alternative Fuels. This is very old news and written in a way to make it sound like something that it's not. The emissions that they're referring to is NOx emissions (NO, NO2, NO3) that is formed under high combustion chamber temps. The tiny increases that you normally see with Biodiesel (from 100ppm to 102ppm on my car during cruise) can very easily be compensated for by increasing EGR gasses, or retarding injection timing by a degree (1.5 degrees on my '99 VW TDI). For a long time these increases were disputed because they are small enough to be camouflaged by normal margins of error in dynomometer testing. The latest Diesels have catalysts that virtually eliminate NOx emissions out the tailpipe, so the 2% increase out of the combustion chamber doesn't mean anything. Tailpipe emissions between the 2 fuels on engines equipped with modern exhaust systems is identical, at least in terms of NOx. Soot is much lower with Biodiesel. Joe Rappa Mexico, NY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 24 19:42:36 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:42:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <588A60F4-EF4A-4215-8141-D15E95408854@alltel.net> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for farmers? Dave On Sep 24, 2007, at 10:27 PM, JR504 at aol.com wrote: > At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, > this is > nothing more than a mouthpiece article for big oil, taking a shot at > Biodiesel and Alternative Fuels. This is very old news and written > in a way to make > it sound like something that it's not. The emissions that they're > referring > to is NOx emissions (NO, NO2, NO3) that is formed under high > combustion > chamber temps. The tiny increases that you normally see with > Biodiesel (from > 100ppm to 102ppm on my car during cruise) can very easily be > compensated for by > increasing EGR gasses, or retarding injection timing by a degree > (1.5 degrees > on my '99 VW TDI). For a long time these increases were disputed > because > they are small enough to be camouflaged by normal margins of error in > dynomometer testing. The latest Diesels have catalysts that > virtually eliminate NOx > emissions out the tailpipe, so the 2% increase out of the > combustion chamber > doesn't mean anything. Tailpipe emissions between the 2 fuels on > engines > equipped with modern exhaust systems is identical, at least in > terms of NOx. Soot > is much lower with Biodiesel. > > Joe Rappa > Mexico, NY From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 19:39:32 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:39:32 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joe that puts things in perspective as far as i am aware the biofuels are much cleaner and greener i am surprised the big oil companies havent cottoned on to complaining about the gas emissions from cows causing global warming ..i suppose i should write that quietly. I still wonder why the steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was stopped could even be run on biofuels . brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:28 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, this is nothing more than a mouthpiece article for big oil, taking a shot at Biodiesel and Alternative Fuels. This is very old news and written in a way to make it sound like something that it's not. The emissions that they're referring to is NOx emissions (NO, NO2, NO3) that is formed under high combustion chamber temps. The tiny increases that you normally see with Biodiesel (from 100ppm to 102ppm on my car during cruise) can very easily be compensated for by increasing EGR gasses, or retarding injection timing by a degree (1.5 degrees on my '99 VW TDI). For a long time these increases were disputed because they are small enough to be camouflaged by normal margins of error in dynomometer testing. The latest Diesels have catalysts that virtually eliminate NOx emissions out the tailpipe, so the 2% increase out of the combustion chamber doesn't mean anything. Tailpipe emissions between the 2 fuels on engines equipped with modern exhaust systems is identical, at least in terms of NOx. Soot is much lower with Biodiesel. Joe Rappa Mexico, NY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From JR504 at aol.com Mon Sep 24 19:50:00 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:50:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for farmers? Dave I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing proposition. We burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? Definitely backwards economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar into 80 cents and think they've come out ahead. Joe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From JR504 at aol.com Mon Sep 24 19:50:43 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:50:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:48:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz writes: I still wonder why the steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was stopped could even be run on biofuels . brent ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From JR504 at aol.com Mon Sep 24 19:53:51 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:53:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:48:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz writes: I still wonder why the steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was stopped could even be run on biofuels . brent Hi Brent, Sorry for the previous blank email. I was too fast with my trigger finger and hit the "Send" key. The reason Steam stuff went away is simple. It is simply too inefficient. External combustion engines (including steam) waste WAY too much energy. Think roughly half the fuel economy. They definitely would run on biofuels though. Joe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Sep 24 20:13:40 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:13:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <017e01c7ff22$14aad760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust > emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was > stopped I must take you to task over this. The fuel burnt to create the steam, was a pollutant. Thus, they were NOT pollution free. Its half truths like this, spread by those who know zilch about what they are flapping their lips about, that is allowing a LOT of 'behind the scenes' people to gain money and positions of power. A bit of thought would show you that change is and has been going on since we appeared on this planet. It will continue after we are extinct. What we do has a lot less effect than earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms, etc. Sorry, but I just 'burst' at this latest bit of drivel! Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Joe that puts things in perspective as far as i am aware the biofuels are > much cleaner and greener i am surprised the big oil companies havent > cottoned on to complaining about the gas emissions from cows causing > global > warming ..i suppose i should write that quietly. I still wonder why the > steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust > emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was > stopped could even be run on biofuels . brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:28 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, this > is > nothing more than a mouthpiece article for big oil, taking a shot at > Biodiesel and Alternative Fuels. This is very old news and written in a > way to make > it sound like something that it's not. The emissions that they're > referring > to is NOx emissions (NO, NO2, NO3) that is formed under high combustion > chamber temps. The tiny increases that you normally see with Biodiesel > (from > 100ppm to 102ppm on my car during cruise) can very easily be compensated > for by > increasing EGR gasses, or retarding injection timing by a degree (1.5 > degrees > on my '99 VW TDI). For a long time these increases were disputed because > they are small enough to be camouflaged by normal margins of error in > dynomometer testing. The latest Diesels have catalysts that virtually > eliminate NOx > emissions out the tailpipe, so the 2% increase out of the combustion > chamber > doesn't mean anything. Tailpipe emissions between the 2 fuels on engines > equipped with modern exhaust systems is identical, at least in terms of > NOx. Soot > is much lower with Biodiesel. > > Joe Rappa > Mexico, NY > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 20:28:58 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:28:58 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <017e01c7ff22$14aad760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Great to hear from you Reg appreciate your thoughts i had come across this link a while ago in regards to the doble steam car on this car most of the burnt fuel was recycled my belief is that it was the best steam car that had been made till its demise i think in the 50s to expensive to make could be made these days at a much cheaper cost i believe there were three generations of dobles that developed it great engineers in there own right here is the link hope you find it interesting as i did http://itotd.com/articles/594/doble-steam-cars/ brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust > emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was > stopped I must take you to task over this. The fuel burnt to create the steam, was a pollutant. Thus, they were NOT pollution free. Its half truths like this, spread by those who know zilch about what they are flapping their lips about, that is allowing a LOT of 'behind the scenes' people to gain money and positions of power. A bit of thought would show you that change is and has been going on since we appeared on this planet. It will continue after we are extinct. What we do has a lot less effect than earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms, etc. Sorry, but I just 'burst' at this latest bit of drivel! Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Joe that puts things in perspective as far as i am aware the biofuels are > much cleaner and greener i am surprised the big oil companies havent > cottoned on to complaining about the gas emissions from cows causing > global > warming ..i suppose i should write that quietly. I still wonder why the > steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust > emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was > stopped could even be run on biofuels . brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:28 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, this > is > nothing more than a mouthpiece article for big oil, taking a shot at > Biodiesel and Alternative Fuels. This is very old news and written in a > way to make > it sound like something that it's not. The emissions that they're > referring > to is NOx emissions (NO, NO2, NO3) that is formed under high combustion > chamber temps. The tiny increases that you normally see with Biodiesel > (from > 100ppm to 102ppm on my car during cruise) can very easily be compensated > for by > increasing EGR gasses, or retarding injection timing by a degree (1.5 > degrees > on my '99 VW TDI). For a long time these increases were disputed because > they are small enough to be camouflaged by normal margins of error in > dynomometer testing. The latest Diesels have catalysts that virtually > eliminate NOx > emissions out the tailpipe, so the 2% increase out of the combustion > chamber > doesn't mean anything. Tailpipe emissions between the 2 fuels on engines > equipped with modern exhaust systems is identical, at least in terms of > NOx. Soot > is much lower with Biodiesel. > > Joe Rappa > Mexico, NY > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 21:58:36 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:58:36 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price is dearer to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol as it is here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not look so bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will go down in a hurry brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for farmers? Dave I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing proposition. We burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? Definitely backwards economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar into 80 cents and think they've come out ahead. Joe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 25 03:05:19 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:05:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <01ec01c7ff5b$9a4d4310$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> When 'leaded ' fuel got taken away, for our health's sake!, the alternative turned out to be MORE cancer causing, etc. Of course, it cost more!! Now, the crap they sell us causes many more fuel troubles. AND NOW, you want to add the veggie stuff to it? How stoopid do you think we are?? Ok, up the price on oil for the bicycle!! Ya gotta rip us off one way or another!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price is > dearer > to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol as it > is > here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not look so > bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will go down > in a hurry brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > > In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for farmers? > Dave > > > > I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist > without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing > proposition. > We > burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? Definitely > backwards > economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar into 80 > cents and think they've come out ahead. > Joe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 19:19:37 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:19:37 +1200 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <00fb01c7ff02$6b4acc30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Not sure what the saying about writing on bathroom walls but i could imagine that they flunked english in regard to old iron in nz i find alot gets trashed here as people arent interested sadly i just rescued a whole heap of vintage gear that was about to be buried even picked up an old magneto from an early car between 1910-1930 still works gave me a huge shock.A 1950s bsa engine.An old wheel driven pump 1940s style used to run an old sheep dip still appears to be working.2 old lawnmowers 1950s rotacuts i collect lawn mowers plus old tools etc if they hadnt been recued they would have been history.One day people will be interested and they wont be around..someone has to preserve it.I do need more room for these artifacts...bren nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:27 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki Sadly, it appears that da man smacked you down. Bummer.>>>rob //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////////////////////////////// And its all true . I do tend toward hyperbole sometimes , but that was no excageration . The flame cock , hot tube safety etc that I darted out in patent Websterspeak, were all replaced by something that was replaced by something else and so forth , long before I made my fateful jibe . I think the flame cock stuff is entirely gone now with only a sorta footnote( that they suck , and they sure do in a cool way ) . Just dont get too attached , or spend a bunch of time and get your knickers in a twist when they nuke it . It is more of a bathroom wall than a repository of anything . Like a newspaper with 20 million editors , that never makes it to print You've no doubt heard the saying "Those who write on bathroom walls ," . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/BALYEATAUTO.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 15:46:18 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:46:18 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Got you all stump again In-Reply-To: <001201c7fef9$bb205a80$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: I think you have got them over a barrel??? -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:25 AM To: Oldengine.org; ATIS Subject: [SEL] Got you all stump again Hi All Looks like I got you stump again on the barrel http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/my%20engines/identify.htm Does anyone know a good link to a marine engine web site to ask them? Peter, Oz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 25 05:18:29 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:18:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested I can send pictures. Dave On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: > Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price > is dearer > to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol > as it is > here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not > look so > bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will > go down > in a hurry brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > JR504 at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > > In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for > farmers? > Dave > > > > I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist > without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing > proposition. > We > burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? > Definitely > backwards > economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar > into 80 > cents and think they've come out ahead. > Joe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http:// > www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 25 05:13:32 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:13:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki References: Message-ID: <020601c7ff6d$7fde6d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Oh dear!! The "hobby" HAS got ya by the gonads!!!!! A few years and it will ease off! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki > Not sure what the saying about writing on bathroom walls but i could > imagine that they flunked english in regard to old iron in nz i find alot > gets trashed here as people arent interested sadly i just rescued a whole > heap of vintage gear that was about to be buried even picked up an old > magneto from an early car between 1910-1930 still works gave me a huge > shock.A 1950s bsa engine.An old wheel driven pump 1940s style used to run > an > old sheep dip still appears to be working.2 old lawnmowers 1950s rotacuts > i > collect lawn mowers plus old tools etc if they hadnt been recued they > would > have been history.One day people will be interested and they wont be > around..someone has to preserve it.I do need more room for these > artifacts...bren nz > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:27 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki > > > Sadly, it appears that da man smacked you down. Bummer.>>>rob > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > /////////////////////////////////// > And its all true . I do tend toward hyperbole sometimes , but that was no > excageration . > > The flame cock , hot tube safety etc that I darted out in patent > Websterspeak, were all replaced by something > that was replaced by something else and so forth , long before I made my > fateful jibe . I think the flame cock stuff is entirely gone now > with only a sorta footnote( that they suck , and they sure do in a cool > way ) . Just dont get too attached , or spend a bunch of time and get > your > knickers in a twist > when they nuke it . It is more of a bathroom wall than a repository of > anything . Like a newspaper with 20 million editors , that never makes it > to > print > You've no doubt heard the saying "Those who write on bathroom walls > ," > . > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/BALYEATAUTO.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tsmith at hal-pc.org Tue Sep 25 04:49:56 2007 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:49:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I still wonder why >the > steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an >exhaust > emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity >development was > stopped could even be run on biofuels . brent Me thinks many of these fuels have hidden agendas and it's not always obvious why a certain fuel can't make the cut. The steam provides a controllable connection from the actual energy source to the end user (turbine, recip or whatever) and like you say "it only produces water vapor" but it isn't a energy source. The energy to generate the steam probably came from some fuel such as coal, wood, bio diesel, gasoline, nuclear or whatever and you are back to waste products. The steam doesn't create the energy, it only transfers the energy to something we can more easily use. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 25 05:32:52 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:32:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <020601c7ff6d$7fde6d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <020601c7ff6d$7fde6d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <62D3C490-D534-4A90-A623-CFAFE75AFDE2@alltel.net> On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:13 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Oh dear!! The "hobby" HAS got ya by the gonads!!!!! > A few years and it will ease off! > Reg & Marg Ingold. Reg! You mean they fall off at some point? Please tell me it ain't so! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Sep 25 09:14:07 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey there Brent, May I suggest a few good courses in thermodynamics, economics, and engineering? The only "facts" that are certain in the whole ethanol welfare program are that the cost of cereal, beef, chicken, etc. is being driven up. If the cost of petrol continues to rise, the ethanol debacle will only worsen. If Hillary wins, then it becomes a national-scale feel-good fiscal disaster. See ya, Arnie On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tamatea whanau wrote: > Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price is dearer > to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol as it is > here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not look so > bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will go down > in a hurry brent > > -----Original Message----- > > In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for farmers? > Dave > > I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist > without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing proposition. > We > burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? Definitely > backwards > economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar into 80 > cents and think they've come out ahead. > Joe From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 25 08:26:24 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:26:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B8CC63F-BD6F-41BF-9E43-645B488C67EA@alltel.net> Come on Arnie, I'm trying to sell a bridge here! Dave On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hey there Brent, > > May I suggest a few good courses in thermodynamics, economics, and > engineering? > > The only "facts" that are certain in the whole ethanol welfare > program are > that the cost of cereal, beef, chicken, etc. is being driven up. > If the > cost of petrol continues to rise, the ethanol debacle will only > worsen. > > If Hillary wins, then it becomes a national-scale feel-good fiscal > disaster. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tamatea whanau wrote: > >> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >> is dearer >> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >> as it is >> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >> look so >> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >> go down >> in a hurry brent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >> >> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >> farmers? >> Dave >> >> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >> exist >> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >> proposition. >> We >> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >> Definitely >> backwards >> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >> into 80 >> cents and think they've come out ahead. >> Joe > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 13:30:38 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:30:38 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Arnie wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers first Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz PS. Brazillian trims swept us out 3-2 > > The only "facts" that are certain in the whole > ethanol welfare program are > that the cost of cereal, beef, chicken, etc. is > being driven up. If the > cost of petrol continues to rise, the ethanol > debacle will only worsen. Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 25 14:02:58 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:02:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c7ffb7$747967c0$c6ffeddc@Edd> Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a little help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some who make these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare and don't do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel plant under construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of people .There are probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but I do now one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local farmers have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of shares .Self sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must be set aside. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > G'Day Arnie > > wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less > from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers > first > > Kerry > > Lithgow NSW Oz > PS. Brazillian trims swept us out 3-2 > >> >> The only "facts" that are certain in the whole >> ethanol welfare program are >> that the cost of cereal, beef, chicken, etc. is >> being driven up. If the >> cost of petrol continues to rise, the ethanol >> debacle will only worsen. > > > > > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 25 14:20:58 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:20:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki References: <020601c7ff6d$7fde6d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <62D3C490-D534-4A90-A623-CFAFE75AFDE2@alltel.net> Message-ID: <025f01c7ffba$6331da80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Yes (In a high voice) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki > > On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:13 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Oh dear!! The "hobby" HAS got ya by the gonads!!!!! >> A few years and it will ease off! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Reg! You mean they fall off at some point? Please tell me it ain't so! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Tue Sep 25 16:25:00 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:25:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <000c01c7ffb7$747967c0$c6ffeddc@Edd> References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000c01c7ffb7$747967c0$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: <003001c7ffcb$4f009270$ed01b750$@net.au> Edd etc, When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers playing with the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation and the issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could produce enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. Some were using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a little help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some who make these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare and don't do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel plant under construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of people .There are probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but I do now one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local farmers have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of shares .Self sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must be set aside. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > G'Day Arnie > > wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less > from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers > first > > Kerry > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Sep 25 17:16:19 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:16:19 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <003001c7ffcb$4f009270$ed01b750$@net.au> Message-ID: Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on villier moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors and machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you hopefully will hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not impossible for those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even make your own soap from the by products . here is a link tells you everything type of equipment etc and dont charge for it a good site http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven N Kitto Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Edd etc, When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers playing with the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation and the issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could produce enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. Some were using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a little help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some who make these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare and don't do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel plant under construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of people .There are probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but I do now one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local farmers have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of shares .Self sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must be set aside. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > G'Day Arnie > > wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less > from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers > first > > Kerry > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 25 17:40:06 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:40:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Books, school, eat--what more is there to say? Dave On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:16 PM, tamatea whanau wrote: > Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on > villier > moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors > and > machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you > hopefully will > hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not > impossible for > those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even > make your > own soap from the by products . here is a link tells you everything > type of > equipment etc and dont charge for it a good site > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html brent nz > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven > N Kitto > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > Edd etc, > > When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers > playing with > the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation > and the > issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could > produce > enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. > Some were > using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. > > Steve and Denise Kitto > 95 Coleyville Road > Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 > Ph 07 54671541 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd > Payne > Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a > little > help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some > who make > these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare > and don't > do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel > plant under > > construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of people .There are > probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but > I do now > > one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local > farmers > have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of > shares .Self > sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must > be set > aside. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry Morris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> G'Day Arnie >> >> wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >> from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >> first >> >> Kerry >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 25 19:22:03 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:22:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> Not much it would seem.You keep repeating the same words.How about adding compassion caring and fairness but maybe your vocabulary doesn't go that far EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Books, school, eat--what more is there to say? > Dave > > On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:16 PM, tamatea whanau wrote: > >> Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on >> villier >> moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors >> and >> machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you >> hopefully will >> hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not >> impossible for >> those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even >> make your >> own soap from the by products . here is a link tells you everything >> type of >> equipment etc and dont charge for it a good site >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html brent nz >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven >> N Kitto >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 AM >> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >> Edd etc, >> >> When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers >> playing with >> the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation >> and the >> issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could >> produce >> enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. >> Some were >> using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. >> >> Steve and Denise Kitto >> 95 Coleyville Road >> Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 >> Ph 07 54671541 >> >> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. >> Proverbs 27:19 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd >> Payne >> Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a >> little >> help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some >> who make >> these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare >> and don't >> do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel >> plant under >> >> construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of people .There are >> probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but >> I do now >> >> one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local >> farmers >> have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of >> shares .Self >> sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must >> be set >> aside. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerry Morris" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >>> G'Day Arnie >>> >>> wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >>> from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >>> first >>> >>> Kerry >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 9/23/2007 >> 1:53 PM >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 9/23/2007 >> 1:53 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 25 19:53:29 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:53:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: <001d01c7ffe8$702c8590$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Sadly, OUR politicans, in all parties, know nothing of these words you are using! Now, Profit, Trade, Tax, Excise, Parlimentary Super, and similar, they ALL know about. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Not much it would seem.You keep repeating the same words.How about adding > compassion caring and fairness but maybe your vocabulary doesn't go that > far > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> Books, school, eat--what more is there to say? >> Dave >> >> On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:16 PM, tamatea whanau wrote: >> >>> Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on >>> villier >>> moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors >>> and >>> machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you >>> hopefully will >>> hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not >>> impossible for >>> those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even >>> make your >>> own soap from the by products . here is a link tells you everything >>> type of >>> equipment etc and dont charge for it a good site >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html brent nz >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven >>> N Kitto >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 AM >>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>> Edd etc, >>> >>> When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers >>> playing with >>> the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation >>> and the >>> issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could >>> produce >>> enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. >>> Some were >>> using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. >>> >>> Steve and Denise Kitto >>> 95 Coleyville Road >>> Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 >>> Ph 07 54671541 >>> >>> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. >>> Proverbs 27:19 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd >>> Payne >>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a >>> little >>> help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some >>> who make >>> these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare >>> and don't >>> do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel >>> plant under >>> >>> construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of people .There are >>> probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but >>> I do now >>> >>> one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local >>> farmers >>> have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of >>> shares .Self >>> sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must >>> be set >>> aside. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kerry Morris" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>>> G'Day Arnie >>>> >>>> wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >>>> from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >>>> first >>>> >>>> Kerry >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 23:15:56 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:15:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <025f01c7ffba$6331da80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <020601c7ff6d$7fde6d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <62D3C490-D534-4A90-A623-CFAFE75AFDE2@alltel.net> <025f01c7ffba$6331da80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160709252315j3068e1c7n355764fbf3643968@mail.gmail.com> On 25/09/2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > Yes (In a high voice) > Reg & Marg Ingold. Always wondered why you walked with that limp.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Sep 25 15:52:57 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:52:57 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <1B8CC63F-BD6F-41BF-9E43-645B488C67EA@alltel.net> Message-ID: Arnie i joined the group so i could learn all those subjects you mentioned from people in the group who know a lot more than me. In regard to the fuel issue I dont think it matters either way petrol or ethanol prices are going to rise heres why because it is a political football being used by government and oil companies to control prices its quite convenient for them the question is who has the most to gain ie make the most profit whether the debate is over price of petrol or ethanol at the end of the day who ever governs or controls its distribution will make every one pay the highest price. Heres another option other than making your own biodiesels etc. . .A friend told me years ago the best priced fuel will always be lpg relating this to new zealand as i dont know the states system and so far he has been correct his reason was that was that he had seen many government controlled agencies switching to lpg to run there cars at this point he was involved with the local city council so he did the same and never looked back but that could be the best option in fuels.In a discussion on this the other day it was mentioned as lpg is also used by households restaurants for cooking the price is directly related to the cost of electricity so should always be cheaper over here it is never advertised openly for price as they are not promoting it which is interesting does makes you wonder. Another friend i know had a jet boat they ran on petrol cost them a bundle to take it out for a run so they went to the wreckers and got an lpg set up off a car and put that on there boat it now runs better and costs them far less than what they used to on petrol.Had to be certified by a garage to make sure it met legal requirements in there case it was the way to go. brent nz From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:26 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Come on Arnie, I'm trying to sell a bridge here! Dave On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hey there Brent, > > May I suggest a few good courses in thermodynamics, economics, and > engineering? > > The only "facts" that are certain in the whole ethanol welfare > program are > that the cost of cereal, beef, chicken, etc. is being driven up. > If the > cost of petrol continues to rise, the ethanol debacle will only > worsen. > > If Hillary wins, then it becomes a national-scale feel-good fiscal > disaster. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tamatea whanau wrote: > >> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >> is dearer >> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >> as it is >> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >> look so >> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >> go down >> in a hurry brent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >> >> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >> farmers? >> Dave >> >> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >> exist >> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >> proposition. >> We >> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >> Definitely >> backwards >> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >> into 80 >> cents and think they've come out ahead. >> Joe > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Sep 25 15:52:58 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:52:58 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have already i have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested I can send pictures. Dave On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: > Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price > is dearer > to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol > as it is > here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not > look so > bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will > go down > in a hurry brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > JR504 at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > > In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for > farmers? > Dave > > > > I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist > without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing > proposition. > We > burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? > Definitely > backwards > economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar > into 80 > cents and think they've come out ahead. > Joe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http:// > www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 26 01:44:50 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:44:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki References: <020601c7ff6d$7fde6d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><62D3C490-D534-4A90-A623-CFAFE75AFDE2@alltel.net><025f01c7ffba$6331da80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6f6025160709252315j3068e1c7n355764fbf3643968@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004b01c80019$81d59620$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Aint telling!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki > On 25/09/2007, R & M Ingold wrote: >> Yes (In a high voice) >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Always wondered why you walked with that limp.... :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 26 06:40:42 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! - OT In-Reply-To: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: Hi Edd, I think that's the point that folks are trying to make. Using corn or soybeans to make fuel isn't an economic proposition, it doesn't make sense for the environment, and it sure as hell isn't energy efficient. This month's cover story in National Geographic magazine has a really comprehensive article on the subject. http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/2007-10/biofuels/biofuels.html If you're not a subscriber, I'm pretty sure that your local library gets it. If, OTOH, one's national posture is to add more feel-good, money losing, state-run welfare programs, then biofuels are just the ticket. I dunno about the status of the welfare state in Oz, but here in the USA we've got WAY too much in terms of welfare programs right now. We DO NOT need more, rather we need to cut a whole bunch of them. Hell, we're raising multi-generation families that breed on the dole and have never done a moment's work to earn their keep or contribute anything to society. Since we've veered totally off topic into the realm of the politics of the welfare state, I've taken the liberty of of cc'ing the Slick Willy list. I think that's a better forum to continue this thread. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > Not much it would seem.You keep repeating the same words.How about adding > compassion caring and fairness but maybe your vocabulary doesn't go that > far From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 26 03:51:32 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:51:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <000801c8002b$386a6670$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. We have some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to respond to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have already > i > have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds > interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested > I can send pictures. > Dave > > On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: > >> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >> is dearer >> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >> as it is >> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >> look so >> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >> go down >> in a hurry brent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >> JR504 at aol.com >> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >> >> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >> >> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >> farmers? >> Dave >> >> >> >> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist >> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >> proposition. >> We >> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >> Definitely >> backwards >> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >> into 80 >> cents and think they've come out ahead. >> Joe >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >> www.aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 9/23/2007 >> 1:53 PM >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 9/23/2007 >> 1:53 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 26 07:06:20 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:06:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: Hi Edd, I'm well aware of those words AND that they are simply code words for COMMUNISM--and I don't particularly like COMMUNISM! Dave On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > Not much it would seem.You keep repeating the same words.How about > adding > compassion caring and fairness but maybe your vocabulary doesn't > go that > far > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> Books, school, eat--what more is there to say? >> Dave >> >> On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:16 PM, tamatea whanau wrote: >> >>> Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on >>> villier >>> moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors >>> and >>> machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you >>> hopefully will >>> hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not >>> impossible for >>> those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even >>> make your >>> own soap from the by products . here is a link tells you everything >>> type of >>> equipment etc and dont charge for it a good site >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html brent nz >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven >>> N Kitto >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 AM >>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>> Edd etc, >>> >>> When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers >>> playing with >>> the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation >>> and the >>> issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could >>> produce >>> enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. >>> Some were >>> using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. >>> >>> Steve and Denise Kitto >>> 95 Coleyville Road >>> Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 >>> Ph 07 54671541 >>> >>> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. >>> Proverbs 27:19 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd >>> Payne >>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a >>> little >>> help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some >>> who make >>> these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare >>> and don't >>> do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel >>> plant under >>> >>> construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of >>> people .There are >>> probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but >>> I do now >>> >>> one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local >>> farmers >>> have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of >>> shares .Self >>> sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must >>> be set >>> aside. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kerry Morris" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> engine.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>>> G'Day Arnie >>>> >>>> wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >>>> from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >>>> first >>>> >>>> Kerry >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 26 07:38:46 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:38:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <001e01c8004a$f24cf9d0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Another friend i know had a jet boat they ran on petrol cost them a bundle > to take it out for a run >>>>>>>>>>>>> I see this one every weekend , and my buds and I have pondered over why it happens . Still have no clue why , but their big problem is they have the engine pointed the wrong way . http://www.rushdragboat.com/engine.jpg The distributor goes to the FRONT !! LOL From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 26 09:49:53 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:49:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price In-Reply-To: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Everybody, I just picked up a nice little 1.5hp Economy with Webster mag and one of those square boxy Faribanks Morse engines. A guy I knew from the local shows passed away and his wife is selling off his stuff. She has a cute little 4 cylinder Hercules, radiator cooled that says "Hercules Power" on the raidator. It has all of the metal shrouds, fired by a coil and distributor. Has a clutch type deal on the rear of the engine that engages and disengages a flat belt pulley. She says that she's heard it run. It looks like the one I found here except ALOT smaller. http://www.w-t-p.com/2004/C09-5483.jpg I'd like to bring it home but don't have a clue about the value of it. What is a fair price for the engine? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 26 10:22:12 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:22:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <000801c8002b$386a6670$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000801c8002b$386a6670$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <276CD36D-E8AD-4483-B51D-A659BB9BB01F@alltel.net> Hi Peter, I'm sure that Brent took it the way it was meant--as a joke. However, it's good to hear from you my old friend. It's been a long time! Dave PS, How are the sheep? On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:51 AM, peter ogborne wrote: > Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. > We have > some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a > serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to > respond > to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tamatea whanau" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have >> already >> i >> have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds >> interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >> Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested >> I can send pictures. >> Dave >> >> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: >> >>> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >>> is dearer >>> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >>> as it is >>> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >>> look so >>> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >>> go down >>> in a hurry brent >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >>> JR504 at aol.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >>> >>> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >>> farmers? >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >>> exist >>> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >>> proposition. >>> We >>> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >>> Definitely >>> backwards >>> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >>> into 80 >>> cents and think they've come out ahead. >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >>> www.aol.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 9/23/2007 >> 1:53 PM >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 9/23/2007 >> 1:53 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Sep 26 10:47:50 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:47:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! - OT In-Reply-To: References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: <317CC769-D684-42BE-AC4A-666475AC26FA@rustyiron.com> On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > This month's cover story in National Geographic magazine has a really > comprehensive article on the subject. Come now, Fero. The article is another example of why I don't subscribe to National Geographic. They make a pretty magazine with awesome photography, print it on nice paper, and supplement it with prose from writers who can construct a sentence as pretty as Monet could paint. But the the writers are clearly the product of today's liberal universities, with their left leaning slant and ecological fanaticism. Consider the conclusion of the article, titled "Hard Numbers." The argument in favor of ethanol is that it has an "undeniable romance." Quoted is some joker who makes his living relying on a government subsidized boondoggle: "I'm sitting in a river in a canoe. Now do I want to paddle upstream, or do I want to go with the flow?" WTF is that? If I want squishy feelings and metaphor, I'll read fiction. When I want hard numbers and facts, I turn to someplace other than National Geographic. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 26 12:31:05 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! - OT In-Reply-To: <317CC769-D684-42BE-AC4A-666475AC26FA@rustyiron.com> References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> <317CC769-D684-42BE-AC4A-666475AC26FA@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Ed Zacchari. If a liberal, fuzzy-squishy, pretty-pictures rag can't make a case for the corn-gas boondoggle, its a pretty damn telling argument. My choice of reference was deliberate. The welfare-mongers who are pushing this fiasco would have their eyeballs glaze over with a seriously technical assessment. I figgered they could manage the pretty pictures and slick glossy pages. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > This month's cover story in National Geographic magazine has a really > > comprehensive article on the subject. > > > > Come now, Fero. > > The article is another example of why I don't subscribe to National > Geographic. They make a pretty magazine with awesome photography, > print it on nice paper, and supplement it with prose from writers who > can construct a sentence as pretty as Monet could paint. But the the > writers are clearly the product of today's liberal universities, with > their left leaning slant and ecological fanaticism. > > Consider the conclusion of the article, titled "Hard Numbers." The > argument in favor of ethanol is that it has an "undeniable romance." > Quoted is some joker who makes his living relying on a government > subsidized boondoggle: "I'm sitting in a river in a canoe. Now do I > want to paddle upstream, or do I want to go with the flow?" > > WTF is that? If I want squishy feelings and metaphor, I'll read > fiction. When I want hard numbers and facts, I turn to someplace > other than National Geographic. From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Sep 26 11:41:15 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:41:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070926203624.027dbba8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 26/09/2007, you wrote: >Message: 14 >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:51:32 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. We have >some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a >serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to respond >to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. Hi Peter, Good to see you're still here and riling people up :-) Gotta tell you a joke: An old couple were going to get married and he asked her "What do you think about sex?" She replied " Well I'd like it infrequently!" He asked "Is that one or two words?" You see, punctuation is important!! Keep well Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 26 12:10:34 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:10:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: <001001c80071$01f7a350$c6ffeddc@Edd> Well Dave I thought that to have those attributes was being a caring human being and were around long before communism.After all it is a relatively modern ideal.Try Christianity ,Buddhism .All have there faults.Arnie I agree there are much to many things that our governments hand out money for including propping up corrupt governments and some really non productive schemes but I personally don't think that encouraging an alternative fuel comes into that category.I live in a country that has vast natural resources but oil isn't one of them and we rely on imports for most of it.Any way to get away from this has to be OK. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Hi Edd, I'm well aware of those words AND that they are simply code > words for COMMUNISM--and I don't particularly like COMMUNISM! > Dave > > On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > >> Not much it would seem.You keep repeating the same words.How about >> adding >> compassion caring and fairness but maybe your vocabulary doesn't >> go that >> far >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >>> Books, school, eat--what more is there to say? >>> Dave >>> >>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:16 PM, tamatea whanau wrote: >>> >>>> Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on >>>> villier >>>> moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors >>>> and >>>> machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you >>>> hopefully will >>>> hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not >>>> impossible for >>>> those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even >>>> make your >>>> own soap from the by products . here is a link tells you everything >>>> type of >>>> equipment etc and dont charge for it a good site >>>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html brent nz >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven >>>> N Kitto >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 AM >>>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> >>>> Edd etc, >>>> >>>> When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers >>>> playing with >>>> the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation >>>> and the >>>> issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could >>>> produce >>>> enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. >>>> Some were >>>> using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. >>>> >>>> Steve and Denise Kitto >>>> 95 Coleyville Road >>>> Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 >>>> Ph 07 54671541 >>>> >>>> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. >>>> Proverbs 27:19 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd >>>> Payne >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a >>>> little >>>> help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some >>>> who make >>>> these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare >>>> and don't >>>> do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel >>>> plant under >>>> >>>> construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of >>>> people .There are >>>> probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but >>>> I do now >>>> >>>> one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local >>>> farmers >>>> have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of >>>> shares .Self >>>> sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must >>>> be set >>>> aside. >>>> EDD PAYNE >>>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>>> Australia >>>> 2852 >>>> Phone:0263742387 >>>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>>> edsengns >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Kerry Morris" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> engine.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> >>>>> G'Day Arnie >>>>> >>>>> wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >>>>> from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >>>>> first >>>>> >>>>> Kerry >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 26 13:52:33 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Now: Nukes for Oz In-Reply-To: <001001c80071$01f7a350$c6ffeddc@Edd> References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> <001001c80071$01f7a350$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: Hi Edd, I'm REALLY glad to hear you say that. Oz is the Saudi Arabia of uranium resources. It's high time for you lot to join the rest of the modern world and generate your electricity with some lovely nukes. 8-)) May I suggest that the Westinghouse AP-1000 would be a great place to start? http://www.westinghousenuclear.com/AP1000/index.shtm See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > I live in a country that has vast natural resources > but oil isn't one of them and we rely on imports for most of it.Any way to > get away from this has to be OK. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Sep 26 13:32:04 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:32:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! - OT In-Reply-To: References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> <317CC769-D684-42BE-AC4A-666475AC26FA@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <71CF05D0-F12C-45CC-AEB2-0F349BFBD921@rustyiron.com> On Sep 26, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Ed Zacchari. > My choice of reference was deliberate. Thank dog, Arnie. For a minute, I thought you were slipping. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 26 13:58:35 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:58:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Now: Nukes for Oz In-Reply-To: References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> <001001c80071$01f7a350$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: <46FAC7FB.3080205@imc-group.com> But Arnie, think of the scores of those in coal mining industry that would be out of jobs......that would not be a feel good compassionate thing to do ;-) Curt Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Edd, > > I'm REALLY glad to hear you say that. Oz is the Saudi Arabia of uranium > resources. It's high time for you lot to join the rest of the modern > world and generate your electricity with some lovely nukes. 8-)) > > May I suggest that the Westinghouse AP-1000 would be a great place to > start? http://www.westinghousenuclear.com/AP1000/index.shtm > > See ya, Arnie > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 26 15:08:45 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Now: Nukes for Oz In-Reply-To: <46FAC7FB.3080205@imc-group.com> References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> <001001c80071$01f7a350$c6ffeddc@Edd> <46FAC7FB.3080205@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hiya Curt, My first reply was "Tough titty." But then I reflected on our mate Kerry and realized that there's great value there. After all, they'll need someplace to bury the small amount of nuclear waste that results from generating all that electricty. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Curt wrote: > But Arnie, think of the scores of those in coal mining industry that > would be out of jobs......that would not be a feel good compassionate > thing to do ;-) > Curt > > Arnie Fero wrote: > > Hi Edd, > > > > I'm REALLY glad to hear you say that. Oz is the Saudi Arabia of uranium > > resources. It's high time for you lot to join the rest of the modern > > world and generate your electricity with some lovely nukes. 8-)) > > > > May I suggest that the Westinghouse AP-1000 would be a great place to > > start? http://www.westinghousenuclear.com/AP1000/index.shtm From glenn.karch at verizon.net Wed Sep 26 13:02:00 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:02:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price References: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> Luke, The Asland Oil Company took a lot of those engines out of service in southern Indiana and southern Illinois. They and the 2 cylinder version, the NXB, could be picked for a couple hundred dollars a piece. I think Keith Kinney got a couple of them. I have a couple of the NXBs. They and the 4 cylinder are nice running engines. Both of mine have the over the center clutch too. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price > > Hi Everybody, > > I just picked up a nice little 1.5hp Economy with Webster mag and one of > those square boxy Faribanks Morse engines. A guy I knew from the local > shows passed away and his wife is selling off his stuff. > > She has a cute little 4 cylinder Hercules, radiator cooled that says > "Hercules Power" on the raidator. It has all of the metal shrouds, fired > by a coil and distributor. Has a clutch type deal on the rear of the > engine that engages and disengages a flat belt pulley. She says that she's > heard it run. It looks like the one I found here except ALOT smaller. > > http://www.w-t-p.com/2004/C09-5483.jpg > > I'd like to bring it home but don't have a clue about the value of it. > What is a fair price for the engine? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > Spaces. It's easy! > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 26 14:35:06 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:35:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price In-Reply-To: <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> References: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <46FAD08A.3070900@imc-group.com> If anyone has one of the over center clutch assy's that bolts onto the bell housing of the Herc, I would be quite interested in purchasing one. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Glenn Karch wrote: > Luke, > > The Asland Oil Company took a lot of those engines out of service in > southern Indiana and southern Illinois. They and the 2 cylinder version, > the NXB, could be picked for a couple hundred dollars a piece. I think > Keith Kinney got a couple of them. I have a couple of the NXBs. They and > the 4 cylinder are nice running engines. Both of mine have the over the > center clutch too. > > Glenn Karch > Hercules Historian > Haubstadt, Indiana, USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:49 AM > Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price > > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 26 16:53:44 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:53:44 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <000801c8002b$386a6670$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <276CD36D-E8AD-4483-B51D-A659BB9BB01F@alltel.net> Message-ID: <004f01c80098$808d1de0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Fine Dave........I am sure Brent could take it ,N Z ed ers are a tough lot ,just have a look at the Rugby Union World Cup ...What's that funny game you play over there ? Grid Iron I am told ,all that padding ,bit like cross dressing. The sheep are OK but I do worry about you blokes in the US and snake dancing ,we have trouser snakes, is it the same? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Hi Peter, I'm sure that Brent took it the way it was meant--as a > joke. However, it's good to hear from you my old friend. It's been a > long time! > Dave > PS, How are the sheep? > > On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:51 AM, peter ogborne wrote: > >> Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. >> We have >> some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a >> serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to >> respond >> to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "tamatea whanau" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >>> Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have >>> already >>> i >>> have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds >>> interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David >>> Rotigel >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>> Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested >>> I can send pictures. >>> Dave >>> >>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >>>> is dearer >>>> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >>>> as it is >>>> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >>>> look so >>>> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >>>> go down >>>> in a hurry brent >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >>>> JR504 at aol.com >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM >>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >>>> >>>> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >>>> farmers? >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >>>> exist >>>> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >>>> proposition. >>>> We >>>> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >>>> Definitely >>>> backwards >>>> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >>>> into 80 >>>> cents and think they've come out ahead. >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >>>> www.aol.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Sep 26 17:05:32 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:05:32 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <004f01c80098$808d1de0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Dave not sure if your aware no money in sheep wool prices are real low and farmers are getting low returns on lamb and mutton most farmers here are doing dairy conversions as more money in dairy products brent nz Fine Dave........I am sure Brent could take it ,N Z ed ers are a tough lot ,just have a look at the Rugby Union World Cup ...What's that funny game you play over there ? Grid Iron I am told ,all that padding ,bit like cross dressing. The sheep are OK but I do worry about you blokes in the US and snake dancing ,we have trouser snakes, is it the same? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Hi Peter, I'm sure that Brent took it the way it was meant--as a > joke. However, it's good to hear from you my old friend. It's been a > long time! > Dave > PS, How are the sheep? > > On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:51 AM, peter ogborne wrote: > >> Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. >> We have >> some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a >> serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to >> respond >> to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "tamatea whanau" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >>> Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have >>> already >>> i >>> have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds >>> interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David >>> Rotigel >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>> Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested >>> I can send pictures. >>> Dave >>> >>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >>>> is dearer >>>> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >>>> as it is >>>> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >>>> look so >>>> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >>>> go down >>>> in a hurry brent >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >>>> JR504 at aol.com >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM >>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >>>> >>>> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >>>> farmers? >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >>>> exist >>>> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >>>> proposition. >>>> We >>>> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >>>> Definitely >>>> backwards >>>> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >>>> into 80 >>>> cents and think they've come out ahead. >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >>>> www.aol.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM From kimmell at verizon.net Wed Sep 26 18:21:24 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:21:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> At 03:30 PM 9/25/2007, you wrote: >G'Day Arnie > >wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >first > >Kerry That's the MOST IMPORTANT fact in my mind. Ethanol isn't going to help since not all cars can run on it and the ones that can use it loose 15-20% of their fuel mileage since it has less BTU's per gallon. Now, biodiesel is the one worth supporting, although the morons over here in the US have been scared away from diesels ever since GM brought out the 350 diesel bomb back in 1977. Biodiesel can be run in ANY engine, and no modifications need to be made (might need to replace fuel lines in really old cars). Most diesels will run BETTER on bio than they do on regular diesel. The raw material for making bio (vegetable oil) is also in ready supply. We already make millions of gallons of it each year for frying and cooking, and that oil is thrown out or recycled after it's used. Why not recycle it into biodiesel? I fully support biodiesel even though I'm in no way a GREEN person. I could care less about the environmental aspects of it. If it helps us buy less oil from the terrorists, then I'm all about it. -Tony From toadhill at aeroinc.net Wed Sep 26 18:43:35 2007 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:43:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Ethanol?= Message-ID: <000a01c800a7$d17344f0$0300a8c0@your3126fb4268> The reason the oil companies aren't bothered by ethanol is that it takes synthetic fertilizer, herbicide and bug killer all made from oil and cracked in a refinery. I guess the tractors and trucks could be run on biofuel. By the time the corn is harvested, the oil companies have supplied the "ungreen" energy it takes to grow and harvest the corn. Our local ethanol plant has a huge natural gas line feeding all the energy needs of the plant. So the price of everything involved goes higher and we pay the bill. From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 26 18:56:30 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:56:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> It seems I read the Deere puts Bio-Diesel in all their new equipment. I got something in the mail for soybean growers that was encouraging farmers to switch to bio-diesel. I can't remember but they had done the research and figured how much the price of beans would go up per bushel just if farmers alone made the switch. Now before some idot starts ranting about running up the price of food, you need to understand something about the price of commodities--very little of what the farmer gets paid is reflected on the grocercy store shelf. Example; 5-6 years ago wheat was under $3 per bushel. A bushel is roughly 60 lbs. A 1 lb loaf of bread was selling for over a $1. I guess it costs more than I think to run semis up and down the road and to process flour. Priced buying a combine, couple grain trucks, storage bins, dryer, drill, tractor(s), grain wagons, sprayers, tillage tools etc.,lately? Oh yeah, you only use this some of this stuff 2-8 weeks out of the year. Welfare for the farmer? Give me a break! If it's that lucrative I guess quite a few of you will be going a million bucks in debt this fall when you start your farm. Just tell me how to get a combine that isn't older than I am!! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- >. > > Now, biodiesel is the one worth supporting, although the morons over > here in the US have been scared away from diesels ever since GM > brought out the 350 diesel bomb back in 1977. Biodiesel can be run > in ANY engine, and no modifications need to be made (might need to > replace fuel lines in really old cars). Most diesels will run BETTER > on bio than they do on regular diesel. The raw material for making > bio (vegetable oil) is also in ready supply. We already make > millions of gallons of it each year for frying and cooking, and that > oil is thrown out or recycled after it's used. Why not recycle it > into biodiesel? > > I fully support biodiesel even though I'm in no way a GREEN > person. I could care less about the environmental aspects of it. If > it helps us buy less oil from the terrorists, then I'm all about it. > > -Tony > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Sep 26 18:59:06 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:59:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <006201c800a9$fccf3490$0601a8c0@altech> My cousins have been using Bio-Diesel for 8 years at around $0.25 a litre. The vehicles have never had a spanner (wrench) on them. One is a Toyota Landcruiser the other is a Rover car. They have fish & chip (fries) oil coming out of their ears and supply is more than they can use. Both have around 20 - 44gal drums of supply at any one time. They have a real professional home setup, even with their own bowsers. Peter, Oz > That's the MOST IMPORTANT fact in my mind. Ethanol isn't going to > help since not all cars can run on it and the ones that can use it > loose 15-20% of their fuel mileage since it has less BTU's per gallon. > > Now, biodiesel is the one worth supporting, although the morons over > here in the US have been scared away from diesels ever since GM > brought out the 350 diesel bomb back in 1977. Biodiesel can be run > in ANY engine, and no modifications need to be made (might need to > replace fuel lines in really old cars). Most diesels will run BETTER > on bio than they do on regular diesel. The raw material for making > bio (vegetable oil) is also in ready supply. We already make > millions of gallons of it each year for frying and cooking, and that > oil is thrown out or recycled after it's used. Why not recycle it > into biodiesel? > > I fully support biodiesel even though I'm in no way a GREEN > person. I could care less about the environmental aspects of it. If > it helps us buy less oil from the terrorists, then I'm all about it. > > -Tony From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Sep 26 19:16:22 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:16:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: Why is corn being used to produce ethanol in the USA? Brazil uses sugar cane. Sugar beets seem to be the ideal crop for this process. The only disadvantage in using sugar beets is it will depress the price of sugar and the converting plant must be near the beet fields. Sugar beets must be processed almost immediately after being harvested to maintain a high sugar content. Harvesting beets doesn't require an expensive combine. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca 93454 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Sep 26 19:31:58 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:31:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech> You ever driven across the USA and see how much corn you guys produce. All we saw for days and days was corn when we drove across in 1999 and 2003. We use sugar cane here for ethanol. My car uses 10% ethanol 90% unleaded and runs fine. The Pajero TR4 Flex, featuring a 2.0-liter engine capable on running on blends from 100% gasoline to 100% ethanol, was launched in July of this year. >From Brazil: Brazil produced 4 billion gallons of ethanol in 2004, some 37 percent of the world total, while the U.S. churned out 3.4 billion gallons, 31 percent of the world's share. The country also exported 634 million gallons -- 112 million of that to the U.S. -- and its government is pushing to clear more land for production. Its vast size and tropical climate are perfect for the production of sugar cane, which is said to have better energy conversion rates than corn, the primary source for ethanol in the U.S. What's more, Brazilian producers burn cellulosic stalk of sugar cane to make energy that fuels the entire industrial process. That is why their production costs are half that of corn. I guess the downfall here is we lose our rainforests. Ain't Politics grand Peter, Oz > Why is corn being used to produce ethanol in the USA? Brazil uses sugar > cane. > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, Ca 93454 > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Sep 26 19:52:06 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:52:06 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: There has to be a way that is a win win for both parties the farmer gets paid little for what he produces and the consumer pays high prices for the processed goods ie buying steak at the supermarket the ones raking the profits are the middlemen the buyers of the produce and the processors that put it in pretty packets??? Here in New Zealand a farmer gets paid 2.50 per kg once processed at the supermarket the consumer pays 15.99 per kg big difference. I always wondered why farmers in an area didnt run there own business from producing processing and selling the only way to even the profits is to control the supply chain maybe as a coop or another option is to supply niche markets on specific produce on a smaller scale or maybe a partnership arrangement with a farmer and a local restaurant or mill not an easy answer on that one. brentnz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! It seems I read the Deere puts Bio-Diesel in all their new equipment. I got something in the mail for soybean growers that was encouraging farmers to switch to bio-diesel. I can't remember but they had done the research and figured how much the price of beans would go up per bushel just if farmers alone made the switch. Now before some idot starts ranting about running up the price of food, you need to understand something about the price of commodities--very little of what the farmer gets paid is reflected on the grocercy store shelf. Example; 5-6 years ago wheat was under $3 per bushel. A bushel is roughly 60 lbs. A 1 lb loaf of bread was selling for over a $1. I guess it costs more than I think to run semis up and down the road and to process flour. Priced buying a combine, couple grain trucks, storage bins, dryer, drill, tractor(s), grain wagons, sprayers, tillage tools etc.,lately? Oh yeah, you only use this some of this stuff 2-8 weeks out of the year. Welfare for the farmer? Give me a break! If it's that lucrative I guess quite a few of you will be going a million bucks in debt this fall when you start your farm. Just tell me how to get a combine that isn't older than I am!! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- >. > > Now, biodiesel is the one worth supporting, although the morons over > here in the US have been scared away from diesels ever since GM > brought out the 350 diesel bomb back in 1977. Biodiesel can be run > in ANY engine, and no modifications need to be made (might need to > replace fuel lines in really old cars). Most diesels will run BETTER > on bio than they do on regular diesel. The raw material for making > bio (vegetable oil) is also in ready supply. We already make > millions of gallons of it each year for frying and cooking, and that > oil is thrown out or recycled after it's used. Why not recycle it > into biodiesel? > > I fully support biodiesel even though I'm in no way a GREEN > person. I could care less about the environmental aspects of it. If > it helps us buy less oil from the terrorists, then I'm all about it. > > -Tony > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Sep 26 20:10:24 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:10:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <031c01c800b3$f2b8c340$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Sugar cane has a much higher yield than corn and so gets a better deal for the consumer. Corn is a loser sugar cane just might come out ahead. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! You ever driven across the USA and see how much corn you guys produce. All we saw for days and days was corn when we drove across in 1999 and 2003. We use sugar cane here for ethanol. My car uses 10% ethanol 90% unleaded and runs fine. The Pajero TR4 Flex, featuring a 2.0-liter engine capable on running on blends from 100% gasoline to 100% ethanol, was launched in July of this year. >From Brazil: Brazil produced 4 billion gallons of ethanol in 2004, some 37 percent of the world total, while the U.S. churned out 3.4 billion gallons, 31 percent of the world's share. The country also exported 634 million gallons -- 112 million of that to the U.S. -- and its government is pushing to clear more land for production. Its vast size and tropical climate are perfect for the production of sugar cane, which is said to have better energy conversion rates than corn, the primary source for ethanol in the U.S. What's more, Brazilian producers burn cellulosic stalk of sugar cane to make energy that fuels the entire industrial process. That is why their production costs are half that of corn. I guess the downfall here is we lose our rainforests. Ain't Politics grand Peter, Oz > Why is corn being used to produce ethanol in the USA? > Brazil uses sugar > cane. > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, Ca 93454 > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.31/1031 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 12:12 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Sep 26 19:33:01 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:33:01 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I am not 100% convinced that subsidies are the answer in these discussions dont get me wrong i am all for supporting the people that are producing a product rather than making a living off trading off shares as at the end of it it doesnt help the economy during the 70s here the pin was pulled on farming subsidies at the time it caused alot of illwill from farmers some went out of business overall though many had to review how to make the business pay and be sustainable it was no longer a lifestyle choice it was running an efficient business i think that in the long run it has paid off cannot rely on handouts from the government because at some stage they will turn the tap off when the economy gets squeezed with the interest in ethanol it will mean better prices for the producers of cereals which i am in favor of rather than subsidies. Better to be in charge of your own destiny why be dependent on the government brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! At 03:30 PM 9/25/2007, you wrote: >G'Day Arnie > >wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >first > >Kerry That's the MOST IMPORTANT fact in my mind. Ethanol isn't going to help since not all cars can run on it and the ones that can use it loose 15-20% of their fuel mileage since it has less BTU's per gallon. Now, biodiesel is the one worth supporting, although the morons over here in the US have been scared away from diesels ever since GM brought out the 350 diesel bomb back in 1977. Biodiesel can be run in ANY engine, and no modifications need to be made (might need to replace fuel lines in really old cars). Most diesels will run BETTER on bio than they do on regular diesel. The raw material for making bio (vegetable oil) is also in ready supply. We already make millions of gallons of it each year for frying and cooking, and that oil is thrown out or recycled after it's used. Why not recycle it into biodiesel? I fully support biodiesel even though I'm in no way a GREEN person. I could care less about the environmental aspects of it. If it helps us buy less oil from the terrorists, then I'm all about it. -Tony _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Sep 26 19:43:09 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:43:09 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <006201c800a9$fccf3490$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: Excellent idea good on them are they supplying there neighbours as well would be a good tool to barter with brent.. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! My cousins have been using Bio-Diesel for 8 years at around $0.25 a litre. The vehicles have never had a spanner (wrench) on them. One is a Toyota Landcruiser the other is a Rover car. They have fish & chip (fries) oil coming out of their ears and supply is more than they can use. Both have around 20 - 44gal drums of supply at any one time. They have a real professional home setup, even with their own bowsers. Peter, Oz > That's the MOST IMPORTANT fact in my mind. Ethanol isn't going to > help since not all cars can run on it and the ones that can use it > loose 15-20% of their fuel mileage since it has less BTU's per gallon. > > Now, biodiesel is the one worth supporting, although the morons over > here in the US have been scared away from diesels ever since GM > brought out the 350 diesel bomb back in 1977. Biodiesel can be run > in ANY engine, and no modifications need to be made (might need to > replace fuel lines in really old cars). Most diesels will run BETTER > on bio than they do on regular diesel. The raw material for making > bio (vegetable oil) is also in ready supply. We already make > millions of gallons of it each year for frying and cooking, and that > oil is thrown out or recycled after it's used. Why not recycle it > into biodiesel? > > I fully support biodiesel even though I'm in no way a GREEN > person. I could care less about the environmental aspects of it. If > it helps us buy less oil from the terrorists, then I'm all about it. > > -Tony _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 27 04:31:32 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:31:32 EDT Subject: [SEL] I'm back again Message-ID: In a message dated 9/10/2007 6:36:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: Also picked up a 2hp New Holland in real nice shape That is a nice engine George! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 27 04:59:42 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:59:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron Message-ID: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> I just got this put in the shed last night. Thus far, its the only one like this that I can come up with. Its a Dean Engine built in Covington (or Newport), KY. This baby is HEAVY for its HP. Its got an 8 1/2 inch bore and the flywheel rims have a 5 inch face (they're not crowned so they aren't electric lighting wheels). The engine is all original and I think it probably has the original oiler and compression release as if you go to Wendel's BYB (or BRB as the case may be) on page 121 in the upper right you'll see the engine from an old advertisement. It has a lobe on it where it looks like there might have been a fuel pump but if so, it hasn't been on the engine for many years as the grease is caked on in that area. Also, in the BYB you can't see a fuel pump but I can see the lobe. It might have been an option. Go to this website and you can look at some additional photos (I removed the 1 gallon gas tank that was on it). After you open, just go up to the arrow in the upper right corner and click it and you'll go to the next photo: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=75851485 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 27 05:28:26 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:28:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron References: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003c01c80101$e7d68590$240110ac@FAMILY> Tommy you old scoundrel, now I know why you were traveling the other day. WOW!, what an engine and what a find.....Congratulations on a super find and a super engine. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:59 AM Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 27 04:40:37 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:40:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46FB96B5.7080907@imc-group.com> Because the corn farming lobby got to Congress before the sugar beets farmers did??? Curt FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Why is corn being used to produce ethanol in the USA? Brazil uses sugar > cane. Sugar beets seem to be the ideal crop for this process. The only > disadvantage in using sugar beets is it will depress the price of sugar and the > converting plant must be near the beet fields. Sugar beets must be processed > almost immediately after being harvested to maintain a high sugar content. > Harvesting beets doesn't require an expensive combine. > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 27 06:28:59 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:28:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dates for next years Portland Message-ID: <001401c8010a$5cfc52c0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all The dates for Portland next year are Aug 20-24 2008, but I guess most of you already knew that ;-)) Who is going? Peter, Oz From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 27 06:47:12 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:47:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dates for next years Portland In-Reply-To: <001401c8010a$5cfc52c0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <001401c8010a$5cfc52c0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <1B304C05-04E8-4D34-9EB5-C85C275E0A6F@alltel.net> On Sep 27, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > The dates for Portland next year are Aug 20-24 2008, but I guess > most of you > already knew that ;-)) > Who is going? > Peter, Oz Peter Lowe said earlier that he will be 80% there! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 27 06:50:25 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:50:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <4E6CEAE1-7E61-4C84-9AD1-B255ED9F7229@alltel.net> > Welfare for the farmer? Give me a break! If it's that lucrative I > guess > quite a few of you will be going a million bucks in debt this fall > when you > start your farm. Just tell me how to get a combine that isn't older > than I > am!! > > John Hall US farmers have been taking public handouts for so long they don't even realize that it's WELFARE! Dave From oldironnut at alltel.net Thu Sep 27 06:57:36 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:57:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <46FBB6D0.7000705@alltel.net> John Hall wrote: > Welfare for the farmer? Give me a break! please see http://www.heritage.org/Research/Agriculture/BG1542.cfm Mike Versailles, Kentucky From falcon at telenet.net Thu Sep 27 07:14:32 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:14:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <46FBBAC8.8040601@telenet.net> Here is a small item. If you took ALL the corn currently grown and converted it to ethanol. You would come up with 12% of the fuel used in the US. The last number I saw basically said that in order to use corn alcohol for total replacement it would mean putting ALL the croplands available in the US into corn production. No corn left for food or any other use. Oh and the 10% you are using is the same thing that has been sold in the US since 1990. It is what most regular gas is now. The problem with flex fuel vehicles is that they don't use either fuel as well as one designed for just alcohol or gas. Timing, compression, and fuel flow all are different to get the best performance out of each fuel. Peter Lowe wrote: > You ever driven across the USA and see how much corn you guys produce. All > we saw for days and days was corn when we drove across in 1999 and 2003. > We use sugar cane here for ethanol. > My car uses 10% ethanol 90% unleaded and runs fine. > > The Pajero TR4 Flex, featuring a 2.0-liter engine capable on running on > blends from 100% gasoline to 100% ethanol, was launched in July of this > year. > >>From Brazil: > Brazil produced 4 billion gallons of ethanol in 2004, some 37 percent of the > world total, while the U.S. churned out 3.4 billion gallons, 31 percent of > the world's share. The country also exported 634 million gallons -- 112 > million of that to the U.S. -- and its government is pushing to clear more > land for production. Its vast size and tropical climate are perfect for the > production of sugar cane, which is said to have better energy conversion > rates than corn, the primary source for ethanol in the U.S. What's more, > Brazilian producers burn cellulosic stalk of sugar cane to make energy that > fuels the entire industrial process. That is why their production costs are > half that of corn. > > I guess the downfall here is we lose our rainforests. > > Ain't Politics grand > > Peter, Oz > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 27 07:22:13 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:22:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <031c01c800b3$f2b8c340$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> References: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech> <031c01c800b3$f2b8c340$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <285E411F-DB94-487A-ABD0-D7DF0E32BAC3@rustyiron.com> On Sep 26, 2007, at 8:10 PM, JIM KIRKES wrote: > Sugar cane has a much higher yield than corn and so gets a > better deal for the consumer. Corn is a loser sugar cane > just might come out ahead. Except, Jim, that sugar cane is artificially and prohibitively expensive in the United States. In an act of FARMER WELFARE, Congress has placed quotas and tariffs on sugar, driving the prices through the roof. Should we trade at all By Walter E. Williams Wednesday, October 25, 2006 There are only a handful of products that Americans import that cannot be produced at home and therefore create jobs for Americans. Let's look at a few of them. We import cocoa from Ghana and coffee from African and Latin American countries. We import saffron from Spain and India and cinnamon from Sri Lanka. In fact, India produces 86 percent of the world tonnage of spices. There's absolutely no reason these products cannot be produced by Americans, and we could be cocoa, coffee and spices independent. You say, "Williams, that's crazy! We don't have the climate and soil conditions to produce those products. Many spices, for example, require a moist tropical environment." No problem. We have the technology whereby we can simulate both the soil and weather conditions. We could build greenhouses in which to grow cinnamon trees and get our scientists to create the same soil conditions that exist in Sri Lanka. Greenhouses could also be built to simulate the climate conditions in Africa and Latin America to grow cocoa and coffee. In the case of cocoa, the greenhouses would have to be Superdome size to accommodate trees as high as 50 feet. You say, "Williams, that's still crazy! Imagine the high costs and the higher product prices of your crazy scheme." I say, "Aha, you're getting the picture." There are several nearly self-evident factors about our being cocoa, coffee and spices independent. Without a doubt, there would be job creation in our cocoa, coffee and spices industries, but consumers would pay a much higher price than they currently do. Therefore, nearly 300 million American consumers would be worse off, having to pay those higher prices or doing without, but those with the new jobs would be better off. So let's be honest with ourselves. Why do we choose to import cocoa, coffee and spices rather than produce them ourselves? The answer is that it is cheaper to do so. That means we enjoy a higher standard of living than if we tried to produce them ourselves. If we can enjoy, say, coffee, at a cheaper price than producing it ourselves, we have more money left over to buy other goods. That principle not only applies to cocoa, coffee and spices. It's a general principle: If a good can be purchased more cheaply abroad, we enjoy a higher standard of living by trading than we would by producing it ourselves. No one denies that international trade has unpleasant consequences for some workers. They have to find other jobs that might not pay as much, but should we protect those jobs through trade restrictions? The Washington-based Institute for International Economics has assembled data that might help with the answer. Tariffs and quotas on imported sugar saved 2,261 jobs during the 1990s. As a result of those restrictions, the average household pays $21 more per year for sugar. The total cost, nationally, sums to $826,000 for each job saved. Trade restrictions on luggage saved 226 jobs and cost consumers $1.2 million in higher prices for each job saved. Restrictions on apparel and textiles saved 168,786 jobs at a cost of nearly $200,000 for each job saved. You might wonder how it is possible for, say, the sugar industry to rip off consumers. After all, consumers are far more numerous than sugar workers and sugar bosses. It's easy. A lot is at stake for those in the sugar industry, workers and bosses. They dedicate huge resources to pressure Congress into enacting trade restrictions. But how many of us consumers will devote the same resources to unseat a congressman who voted for sugar restrictions that forced us to pay $21 more for the sugar our family uses? It's the problem of visible beneficiaries of trade restrictions, sugar workers and bosses, gaining at the expense of invisible victims -- sugar consumers. We might think of it as congressional price-gouging. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Sep 27 07:51:22 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:51:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech> <031c01c800b3$f2b8c340$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <285E411F-DB94-487A-ABD0-D7DF0E32BAC3@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <00a801c80115$df6469e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Hi Rob, It was a general statement, I know that sugar cane is not viable here in the US. I wonder how sugar beets would do, anbody know? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! On Sep 26, 2007, at 8:10 PM, JIM KIRKES wrote: > Sugar cane has a much higher yield than corn and so gets a > better deal for the consumer. Corn is a loser sugar cane > just might come out ahead. Except, Jim, that sugar cane is artificially and prohibitively expensive in the United States. In an act of FARMER WELFARE, Congress has placed quotas and tariffs on sugar, driving the prices through the roof. Should we trade at all By Walter E. Williams Wednesday, October 25, 2006 There are only a handful of products that Americans import that cannot be produced at home and therefore create jobs for Americans. Let's look at a few of them. We import cocoa from Ghana and coffee from African and Latin American countries. We import saffron from Spain and India and cinnamon from Sri Lanka. In fact, India produces 86 percent of the world tonnage of spices. There's absolutely no reason these products cannot be produced by Americans, and we could be cocoa, coffee and spices independent. You say, "Williams, that's crazy! We don't have the climate and soil conditions to produce those products. Many spices, for example, require a moist tropical environment." No problem. We have the technology whereby we can simulate both the soil and weather conditions. We could build greenhouses in which to grow cinnamon trees and get our scientists to create the same soil conditions that exist in Sri Lanka. Greenhouses could also be built to simulate the climate conditions in Africa and Latin America to grow cocoa and coffee. In the case of cocoa, the greenhouses would have to be Superdome size to accommodate trees as high as 50 feet. You say, "Williams, that's still crazy! Imagine the high costs and the higher product prices of your crazy scheme." I say, "Aha, you're getting the picture." There are several nearly self-evident factors about our being cocoa, coffee and spices independent. Without a doubt, there would be job creation in our cocoa, coffee and spices industries, but consumers would pay a much higher price than they currently do. Therefore, nearly 300 million American consumers would be worse off, having to pay those higher prices or doing without, but those with the new jobs would be better off. So let's be honest with ourselves. Why do we choose to import cocoa, coffee and spices rather than produce them ourselves? The answer is that it is cheaper to do so. That means we enjoy a higher standard of living than if we tried to produce them ourselves. If we can enjoy, say, coffee, at a cheaper price than producing it ourselves, we have more money left over to buy other goods. That principle not only applies to cocoa, coffee and spices. It's a general principle: If a good can be purchased more cheaply abroad, we enjoy a higher standard of living by trading than we would by producing it ourselves. No one denies that international trade has unpleasant consequences for some workers. They have to find other jobs that might not pay as much, but should we protect those jobs through trade restrictions? The Washington-based Institute for International Economics has assembled data that might help with the answer. Tariffs and quotas on imported sugar saved 2,261 jobs during the 1990s. As a result of those restrictions, the average household pays $21 more per year for sugar. The total cost, nationally, sums to $826,000 for each job saved. Trade restrictions on luggage saved 226 jobs and cost consumers $1.2 million in higher prices for each job saved. Restrictions on apparel and textiles saved 168,786 jobs at a cost of nearly $200,000 for each job saved. You might wonder how it is possible for, say, the sugar industry to rip off consumers. After all, consumers are far more numerous than sugar workers and sugar bosses. It's easy. A lot is at stake for those in the sugar industry, workers and bosses. They dedicate huge resources to pressure Congress into enacting trade restrictions. But how many of us consumers will devote the same resources to unseat a congressman who voted for sugar restrictions that forced us to pay $21 more for the sugar our family uses? It's the problem of visible beneficiaries of trade restrictions, sugar workers and bosses, gaining at the expense of invisible victims -- sugar consumers. We might think of it as congressional price-gouging. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.31/1031 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 12:12 PM From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Thu Sep 27 07:58:41 2007 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:58:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> References: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003801c80116$e4f6b1a0$1402a8c0@Waynexp> Tommy, very nice find.....or did it find you? Looks too be nice and original with a little different igniter and very simple governor weights. You lucky dog! Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:00 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron I just got this put in the shed last night. Thus far, its the only one like this that I can come up with. Its a Dean Engine built in Covington (or Newport), KY. This baby is HEAVY for its HP. Its got an 8 1/2 inch bore and the flywheel rims have a 5 inch face (they're not crowned so they aren't electric lighting wheels). The engine is all original and I think it probably has the original oiler and compression release as if you go to Wendel's BYB (or BRB as the case may be) on page 121 in the upper right you'll see the engine from an old advertisement. It has a lobe on it where it looks like there might have been a fuel pump but if so, it hasn't been on the engine for many years as the grease is caked on in that area. Also, in the BYB you can't see a fuel pump but I can see the lobe. It might have been an option. Go to this website and you can look at some additional photos (I removed the 1 gallon gas tank that was on it). After you open, just go up to the arrow in the upper right corner and click it and you'll go to the next photo: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=75851485 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From JR504 at aol.com Thu Sep 27 08:10:51 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:10:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/27/2007 10:18:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, falcon at telenet.net writes: Here is a small item. If you took ALL the corn currently grown and converted it to ethanol. You would come up with 12% of the fuel used in the US. The last number I saw basically said that in order to use corn alcohol for total replacement it would mean putting ALL the croplands available in the US into corn production. No corn left for food or any other use. The same thing is true for Biodiesel. I've seen similar numbers talked about at the National Biodiesel Convention. If we took all the waste grease and all the soy beans produced in the country, then used all the fallow crop land and grew more soy beans....turned all of it into Biodiesel, we'd only produce about 20% of our current daily consumption of diesel fuel. Here's the bottom line as I see it. There is probably never going to be a single energy source that is going to replace petroleum as transportation energy. There's no magic bullet on the horizon. We're going to need every viable source of energy to deal with the increasing prices, (and someday lower supply) of Petroleum. I don't believe ethanol is the cure simply because it takes more than a gallon of petroleum to make a gallon on ethanol. Why bother? It's politics at it's most ridiculous. There is still hope for biodiesel, Most recently they're working on growing a couple of different types of slime in large vats. One yielded 80% oil content which really cuts down on the acreage required to feed our oil addiction. Now if we could only get them to grow at sewage treatment plants we'd be getting somewhere. Joe Joe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From kimmell at verizon.net Thu Sep 27 08:57:51 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:57:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0JP100JYYB1EF1B0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> At 10:10 AM 9/27/2007, you wrote: >Here's the bottom line as I see it. There is probably never going to be a >single energy source that is going to replace petroleum as transportation >energy. There's no magic bullet on the horizon. We're going to need every >viable source of energy to deal with the increasing prices. There is a great source of "alternative" fuel. It's called ANWR. Now lets go ask the idiot liberals and reality-challenged eco-nazi's WHY we're not using it. Sure there's potential for environmental damage, but it's no greater than the potential for damage by funding the terrorists when we buy their oil. I think I'd rather stick with the former... From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 27 12:22:00 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:22:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech><031c01c800b3$f2b8c340$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <285E411F-DB94-487A-ABD0-D7DF0E32BAC3@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <003001c8013b$adc92d00$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> ? It's the problem of visible > beneficiaries >>>>>>>>>>>>. How much cash are they laying out for the guys building the distilleries ? These are big honkin' facilities . ADM built a bunch at great expense , who gets paid for all that in the end ? Does ADM file a loss after a few years and then their construction arm , the concrete affilliate and the stainless steel tubing subsidiary all "break even" ? Chuck Ps On a somewhat related note , has anybody tried the Sma Adams Utopias ? From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 27 11:21:02 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:21:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <010601c80133$29bf9380$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> You can always sell your sheep as whores in the middle east. skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of peter ogborne > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Dave not sure if your aware no money in sheep wool prices are real low and > farmers are getting low returns on lamb and mutton most farmers here are > doing dairy conversions as more money in dairy products brent nz > > Fine Dave........I am sure Brent could take it ,N Z ed ers are a tough lot > ,just have a look at the Rugby Union World Cup ...What's that funny game > you > play over there ? Grid Iron I am told ,all that padding ,bit like cross > dressing. The sheep are OK but I do worry about you blokes in the US and > snake dancing ,we have trouser snakes, is it the same? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> Hi Peter, I'm sure that Brent took it the way it was meant--as a >> joke. However, it's good to hear from you my old friend. It's been a >> long time! >> Dave >> PS, How are the sheep? >> >> On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:51 AM, peter ogborne wrote: >> >>> Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. >>> We have >>> some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a >>> serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to >>> respond >>> to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "tamatea whanau" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>>> Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have >>>> already >>>> i >>>> have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds >>>> interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David >>>> Rotigel >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested >>>> I can send pictures. >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: >>>> >>>>> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >>>>> is dearer >>>>> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >>>>> as it is >>>>> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >>>>> look so >>>>> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >>>>> go down >>>>> in a hurry brent >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >>>>> JR504 at aol.com >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM >>>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>>> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >>>>> >>>>> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >>>>> farmers? >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >>>>> exist >>>>> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >>>>> proposition. >>>>> We >>>>> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >>>>> Definitely >>>>> backwards >>>>> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >>>>> into 80 >>>>> cents and think they've come out ahead. >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >>>>> www.aol.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>>> 9/23/2007 >>>>> 1:53 PM >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>>> 9/23/2007 >>>>> 1:53 PM >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: > 9/26/2007 > 8:20 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: > 9/26/2007 > 8:20 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: > 9/25/2007 8:02 AM > > From rex002 at centurytel.net Thu Sep 27 16:04:33 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:04:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <010601c80133$29bf9380$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <001201c8015a$c80786c0$6500a8c0@home> Aw heck were forgetting animal fat , can't lard be turned into bio diesel ? if all us humans would eat all the corn, sugar cane and beets we could produce enough lard to shut the oil fields down completely , and don't forget the Doctors and medical staff we would be supporting when they suck all the fat out of us , they could drop their office visits down to maybe 3 or 4 hundred dollars ? and we could keep the sheep for ourselves, Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Cleveland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > You can always sell your sheep as whores in the middle east. > skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tamatea whanau" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of peter >> ogborne >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:54 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> Dave not sure if your aware no money in sheep wool prices are real low >> and >> farmers are getting low returns on lamb and mutton most farmers here are >> doing dairy conversions as more money in dairy products brent nz >> >> Fine Dave........I am sure Brent could take it ,N Z ed ers are a tough >> lot >> ,just have a look at the Rugby Union World Cup ...What's that funny game >> you >> play over there ? Grid Iron I am told ,all that padding ,bit like cross >> dressing. The sheep are OK but I do worry about you blokes in the US and >> snake dancing ,we have trouser snakes, is it the same? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:22 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >>> Hi Peter, I'm sure that Brent took it the way it was meant--as a >>> joke. However, it's good to hear from you my old friend. It's been a >>> long time! >>> Dave >>> PS, How are the sheep? >>> >>> On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:51 AM, peter ogborne wrote: >>> >>>> Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. >>>> We have >>>> some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a >>>> serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to >>>> respond >>>> to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "tamatea whanau" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:52 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have >>>>> already >>>>> i >>>>> have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds >>>>> interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David >>>>> Rotigel >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM >>>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested >>>>> I can send pictures. >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >>>>>> is dearer >>>>>> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >>>>>> as it is >>>>>> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >>>>>> look so >>>>>> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >>>>>> go down >>>>>> in a hurry brent >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >>>>>> JR504 at aol.com >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM >>>>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>>>> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >>>>>> farmers? >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >>>>>> exist >>>>>> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >>>>>> proposition. >>>>>> We >>>>>> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >>>>>> Definitely >>>>>> backwards >>>>>> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >>>>>> into 80 >>>>>> cents and think they've come out ahead. >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >>>>>> www.aol.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>>>> 9/23/2007 >>>>>> 1:53 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>>>> 9/23/2007 >>>>>> 1:53 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>>> 9/23/2007 >>>>> 1:53 PM >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>>> 9/23/2007 >>>>> 1:53 PM >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: >> 9/26/2007 >> 8:20 PM >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: >> 9/26/2007 >> 8:20 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: >> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 27 16:53:27 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:53:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <003801c80116$e4f6b1a0$1402a8c0@Waynexp> References: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> <003801c80116$e4f6b1a0$1402a8c0@Waynexp> Message-ID: <46FC4277.7060000@scrtc.com> Wayne, Believe it or not, it found me. A long time friend called me and said he found it and wanted to know if I wanted it since it was made in Kentucky. A great friend indeed! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Wayne Thackery wrote: >Tommy, very nice find.....or did it find you? Looks too be nice and original >with a little different igniter and very simple governor weights. You lucky >dog! > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy >Turner >Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:00 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron > >I just got this put in the shed last night. Thus far, its the only one >like this that I can come up with. Its a Dean Engine built in Covington >(or Newport), KY. This baby is HEAVY for its HP. Its got an 8 1/2 inch >bore and the flywheel rims have a 5 inch face (they're not crowned so >they aren't electric lighting wheels). The engine is all original and I >think it probably has the original oiler and compression release as if >you go to Wendel's BYB (or BRB as the case may be) on page 121 in the >upper right you'll see the engine from an old advertisement. It has a >lobe on it where it looks like there might have been a fuel pump but if >so, it hasn't been on the engine for many years as the grease is caked >on in that area. Also, in the BYB you can't see a fuel pump but I can >see the lobe. It might have been an option. Go to this website and you >can look at some additional photos (I removed the 1 gallon gas tank that >was on it). After you open, just go up to the arrow in the upper right >corner and click it and you'll go to the next photo: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=75851485 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 27 16:58:45 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:58:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! Message-ID: <00f601c80162$57a4cca0$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find one as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him haul it home. If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: Germoamer at aol.com Thanks, Paul From jbcast at charter.net Thu Sep 27 17:33:39 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:33:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <46FC4277.7060000@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20070927203339.DVK96.45626.root@fepweb16> Nice find Tommy. Do you know the history of it, what did it power? Suprising to see an old engine on this "corn gas bust list". J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Sep 27 17:46:16 2007 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:46:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! In-Reply-To: <00f601c80162$57a4cca0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00f601c80162$57a4cca0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000401c80168$fee97b40$3464a8c0@Eagle> There is a fellow in Indiana who rebuilds windmills and builds new ones. He comes to some of the local engine/tractor shows. I don't have his address/ phone number handy. I will look for it. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:59 PM To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find one as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him haul it home. If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: Germoamer at aol.com Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 27 17:54:08 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:54:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! Message-ID: <380-2200795280548805@M2W035.mail2web.com> I am also looking for a three sided tower for my 6 foot Southern Cross wind mill here in Oz if anyone can help. The 6 footers are used on the coast where the winds are stronger. Peter, Oz Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find one as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him haul it home. If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: Germoamer at aol.com Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 17:56:42 2007 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:56:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <46fc513d.15528c0a.78a8.ffffc34a@mx.google.com> Very nice engine Tommy. I would guess there are not many of these in existence. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I just got this put in the shed last night. Thus far, its the only one like this that I can come up with. Its a Dean Engine built in Covington (or Newport), KY. This baby is HEAVY for its HP. Its got an 8 1/2 inch bore and the flywheel rims have a 5 inch face (they're not crowned so they aren't electric lighting wheels). The engine is all original and I think it probably has the original oiler and compression release as if you go to Wendel's BYB (or BRB as the case may be) on page 121 in the upper right you'll see the engine from an old advertisement. It has a lobe on it where it looks like there might have been a fuel pump but if so, it hasn't been on the engine for many years as the grease is caked on in that area. Also, in the BYB you can't see a fuel pump but I can see the lobe. It might have been an option. Go to this website and you can look at some additional photos (I removed the 1 gallon gas tank that was on it). After you open, just go up to the arrow in the upper right corner and click it and you'll go to the next photo: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=75851485 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 27 18:02:24 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <20070927203339.DVK96.45626.root@fepweb16> Message-ID: <442892.21092.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My thoughts exactly, JB. That sure is a great friend to have Tommy. jbcast at charter.net wrote: Nice find Tommy. Do you know the history of it, what did it power? Suprising to see an old engine on this "corn gas bust list". J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Thu Sep 27 18:05:45 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:05:45 +1200 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Tommy one nice looking machine appears to be in good order fantastic great discovery . brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 12:00 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron I just got this put in the shed last night. Thus far, its the only one like this that I can come up with. Its a Dean Engine built in Covington (or Newport), KY. This baby is HEAVY for its HP. Its got an 8 1/2 inch bore and the flywheel rims have a 5 inch face (they're not crowned so they aren't electric lighting wheels). The engine is all original and I think it probably has the original oiler and compression release as if you go to Wendel's BYB (or BRB as the case may be) on page 121 in the upper right you'll see the engine from an old advertisement. It has a lobe on it where it looks like there might have been a fuel pump but if so, it hasn't been on the engine for many years as the grease is caked on in that area. Also, in the BYB you can't see a fuel pump but I can see the lobe. It might have been an option. Go to this website and you can look at some additional photos (I removed the 1 gallon gas tank that was on it). After you open, just go up to the arrow in the upper right corner and click it and you'll go to the next photo: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=75851485 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Sep 27 18:28:31 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:28:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net><007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> <46FBB6D0.7000705@alltel.net> Message-ID: <007901c8016e$e22a1c20$46d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Good article! Note one of the first things it points out is that family sized farming operations keep getting less of the "welfare". The family farms are the ones I care about--not the mega corporations. I suppose they are OK if they are comprised of say 5-6 individuals in the same family. I know a few that are multi-generation partnerships but are not these mega-huge operataions. Bottom line is if the big guys didn't get the welfare, they would probably be out of business, which would in turn mean more smaller guys, who can't grow it as cheap, so then the commodities prices would go up meaning YOU and ME would have to ante-up a tad more at the grocery store. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > John Hall wrote: >> Welfare for the farmer? Give me a break! > please see http://www.heritage.org/Research/Agriculture/BG1542.cfm > > Mike > Versailles, Kentucky > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 27 18:31:22 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:31:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <46fc513d.15528c0a.78a8.ffffc34a@mx.google.com> References: <46fc513d.15528c0a.78a8.ffffc34a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46FC596A.4000006@scrtc.com> Patrick, This is the only Dean engine that I know of and I've inquired with a lot of folks. I don't know how many they made but I would doubt if the number was very large. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >Very nice engine Tommy. I would guess there are not many of these in >existence. >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- > >I just got this put in the shed last night. Thus far, its the only one >like this that I can come up with. Its a Dean Engine built in Covington >(or Newport), KY. This baby is HEAVY for its HP. Its got an 8 1/2 inch >bore and the flywheel rims have a 5 inch face (they're not crowned so >they aren't electric lighting wheels). The engine is all original and I >think it probably has the original oiler and compression release as if >you go to Wendel's BYB (or BRB as the case may be) on page 121 in the >upper right you'll see the engine from an old advertisement. It has a >lobe on it where it looks like there might have been a fuel pump but if >so, it hasn't been on the engine for many years as the grease is caked >on in that area. Also, in the BYB you can't see a fuel pump but I can >see the lobe. It might have been an option. Go to this website and you >can look at some additional photos (I removed the 1 gallon gas tank that >was on it). After you open, just go up to the arrow in the upper right >corner and click it and you'll go to the next photo: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=75851485 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Sep 27 18:38:22 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:38:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com><0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net><007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> <4E6CEAE1-7E61-4C84-9AD1-B255ED9F7229@alltel.net> Message-ID: <007c01c80170$422ab840$46d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Yes Dave, we do get handouts. And the small farmers can barely make it worth the risk. Tiny farmers like me don't do it for the money. So should we cut out the handouts and let the most efficient (which would be the largest) survive? My only answer would be to drop the subsidies and limit the maximum size of the farm.Raise the price of commodities so they can be affordably grown. And let everyone bellyache in the checkout line about how much the farmer gets paid when actually the bulk of your grocery dollar goes elsewhere. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> Welfare for the farmer? Give me a break! If it's that lucrative I >> guess >> quite a few of you will be going a million bucks in debt this fall >> when you >> start your farm. Just tell me how to get a combine that isn't older >> than I >> am!! >> >> John Hall > > US farmers have been taking public handouts for so long they don't > even realize that it's WELFARE! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Sep 27 18:40:46 2007 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:40:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! In-Reply-To: <00f601c80162$57a4cca0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00f601c80162$57a4cca0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000301c80170$9a2155e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> I may have been incorrect about him being in Indiana. His phone number is 419-422-3765. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:59 PM To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find one as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him haul it home. If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: Germoamer at aol.com Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Thu Sep 27 19:15:38 2007 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:15:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! Message-ID: <410-22007952821538484@earthlink.net> I sent him an email Paul, I have 8' dempster with a 40' tower for sale. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Paul Maples > To: > Date: 9/27/2007 7:00:25 PM > Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! > > Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find one as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him haul it home. > > If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: Germoamer at aol.com > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 27 19:31:13 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:31:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! References: <410-22007952821538484@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <016f01c80177$a465cc50$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Tim, I hope you guys can get together. Let me know how it comes out. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! >I sent him an email Paul, I have 8' dempster with a 40' tower for sale. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Paul Maples >> To: >> Date: 9/27/2007 7:00:25 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! >> >> Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a > windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find > one > as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him > haul it home. >> >> If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: > Germoamer at aol.com >> >> Thanks, >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: > 9/27/2007 5:00 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Thu Sep 27 20:58:30 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:58:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: <003001c7ffcb$4f009270$ed01b750$@net.au> Message-ID: <000001c80183$d9afcda0$8d0f68e0$@net.au> Brent My son and I have quite a collection of Villiers stuff. The web sight is well out of date as well as the email address. I need to update it, but it hasn't received the priority it should. All our Villiers engines are still in South Australia. We moved to Queensland in the middle of last year, and a lot of stuff was left behind. One day we will move back and do some more with them. My son now lives in Alice Springs, which is also a long way from Naracoorte. All I have with me about Villiers are manuals and photos. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of tamatea whanau Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:16 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on villier moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors and machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you hopefully will hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not impossible for those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even make your own soap from the by products . From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Sep 27 23:50:13 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:50:13 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! References: <380-2200795280548805@M2W035.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <000701c8019b$d5dfed00$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Got the tower and the fan and gearbox ....in the process of trying to marry a Southern Cross to a Metters,not easy. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! >I am also looking for a three sided tower for my 6 foot Southern Cross wind > mill here in Oz if anyone can help. The 6 footers are used on the coast > where the winds are stronger. > Peter, Oz > > > > > > > Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a > windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find > one > as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him > haul it home. > > If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: > Germoamer at aol.com > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Sep 28 02:34:38 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:04:38 +0930 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Paskeville_revisited?= References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech><000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos><6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com><000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos> <7.0.1.0.1.20070925075054.01b00c30@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <003001c801b2$cb334340$5bcbae3a@chaos> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32591552&f= The Hornsby model was made by a member of the Copper Coast club, now his health has slowed the project. From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 28 04:11:52 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:11:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! References: <380-2200795280548805@M2W035.mail2web.com> <000701c8019b$d5dfed00$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001701c801c0$5fdfa4e0$0601a8c0@altech> I have the top half of a Comet tower, about 12 feet, but they are different where the gear box attaches. Peter Got the tower and the fan and gearbox ....in the process of trying to marry a Southern Cross to a Metters,not easy. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! >I am also looking for a three sided tower for my 6 foot Southern Cross wind > mill here in Oz if anyone can help. The 6 footers are used on the coast > where the winds are stronger. > Peter, Oz > > > > > > > Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a > windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find > one > as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him > haul it home. > > If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: > Germoamer at aol.com > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Sep 28 07:00:05 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:00:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price In-Reply-To: <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> References: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback guys. I talked with her about the Hercules and she is asking for 500. Said she would take 400 and nothing less. I'm going to think it over for a bit........Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA=================> From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:49 AM> Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price> > > >> > Hi Everybody,> >> > I just picked up a nice little 1.5hp Economy with Webster mag and one of > > those square boxy Faribanks Morse engines. A guy I knew from the local > > shows passed away and his wife is selling off his stuff.> >> > She has a cute little 4 cylinder Hercules, radiator cooled that says > > "Hercules Power" on the raidator. It has all of the metal shrouds, fired > > by a coil and distributor. Has a clutch type deal on the rear of the > > engine that engages and disengages a flat belt pulley. She says that she's > > heard it run. It looks like the one I found here except ALOT smaller.> >> > http://www.w-t-p.com/2004/C09-5483.jpg> >> > I'd like to bring it home but don't have a clue about the value of it. > > What is a fair price for the engine?> >> > Luke Tonneberger> > Rockford, Michigan> > USA> > _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Sep 28 07:00:26 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:00:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price In-Reply-To: <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> References: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback guys. I talked with her about the Hercules and she is asking for 500. Said she would take 400 and nothing less. I'm going to think it over for a bit........Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA=================> From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:49 AM> Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price> > > >> > Hi Everybody,> >> > I just picked up a nice little 1.5hp Economy with Webster mag and one of > > those square boxy Faribanks Morse engines. A guy I knew from the local > > shows passed away and his wife is selling off his stuff.> >> > She has a cute little 4 cylinder Hercules, radiator cooled that says > > "Hercules Power" on the raidator. It has all of the metal shrouds, fired > > by a coil and distributor. Has a clutch type deal on the rear of the > > engine that engages and disengages a flat belt pulley. She says that she's > > heard it run. It looks like the one I found here except ALOT smaller.> >> > http://www.w-t-p.com/2004/C09-5483.jpg> >> > I'd like to bring it home but don't have a clue about the value of it. > > What is a fair price for the engine?> >> > Luke Tonneberger> > Rockford, Michigan> > USA> > _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Sep 28 10:32:49 2007 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:32:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It sounds like you might be looking for Mr. Tracy Porter of Greenfield, IN. He's a big fellow with a ZZ top beard. I don't have his # handy but I can get it for you. Let me know. > Message: 5> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:58:45 -0500> From: "Paul Maples" > Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one!> To: > Message-ID: <00f601c80162$57a4cca0$240110ac at FAMILY>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find one as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him haul it home.> > If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: Germoamer at aol.com> > Thanks,> > Paul _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Sep 28 14:09:49 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:09:49 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <000001c80183$d9afcda0$8d0f68e0$@net.au> Message-ID: Good to hear from you Steve great to hear you still have your collection havent found that many people collecting them and not that much info around on them i have a few of the nz made morrison mowers with the villier 2stroke engine consider them to be one of the best home reel mowers because of there simple design and great manuvouring capability only requires one finger to change direction i have other mowers such as acto ,masport,rotocuts,flymo my favorite engine is the 2 stroke villier with the pepper pot exhaust mainly as it looks and sounds like a stationary moter esp when you polish up the brass flywheel still use them to cut the lawns and they do a great job brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven N Kitto Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:59 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Brent My son and I have quite a collection of Villiers stuff. The web sight is well out of date as well as the email address. I need to update it, but it hasn't received the priority it should. All our Villiers engines are still in South Australia. We moved to Queensland in the middle of last year, and a lot of stuff was left behind. One day we will move back and do some more with them. My son now lives in Alice Springs, which is also a long way from Naracoorte. All I have with me about Villiers are manuals and photos. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of tamatea whanau Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:16 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on villier moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors and machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you hopefully will hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not impossible for those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even make your own soap from the by products . _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM From dleis at centurytel.net Fri Sep 28 17:24:04 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:24:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine Message-ID: <001601c8022f$13522c50$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi List I need some help identifying this engine and is it hit & miss or throttle governed i think it is a stover and about what hp is it? thanks for the help Stacy :-) http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4472152&a=32591369&pw From cwja at telus.net Fri Sep 28 18:41:39 2007 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:41:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Winco Generator withTecumseh Message-ID: <46FDAD53.9010102@telus.net> Does anyone have a small 3.5 hp Tecumseh powerd Winco 1500 Watt, 13 amp Generator. I would be interested to find the date of manufacture and the source of the distributor company of this unit. The Winco websites seem to only deal with current models and I suspect this is about 1960's. It runs great and generates fine power for my jigsaw and electric drill. My model # for the Tecumseh engine is H35 4532M and the serial # is 6236B . Any info would be welcome. Thanks Jeff -- Jeff & Marja Allen at Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From glenn.karch at verizon.net Fri Sep 28 19:24:20 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:24:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine References: <001601c8022f$13522c50$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <004401c8023f$d96c7ca0$89ea123f@D8LJ7K91> Stacy, That is an Economy engine made by Stover for Sears catalog sales. These were made from for Sears from 1935 until 1939. There should be a casting date on the block behind one of the flywheels. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacy Leis" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine > Hi List > > I need some help identifying this engine and is it hit & miss or > throttle governed i think it is a stover and about what hp is it? thanks > for the help > > Stacy > :-) > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4472152&a=32591369&pw > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Sep 29 04:01:46 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:01:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine Message-ID: <092920071101.19366.46FE309A0009A91100004BA6219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Stacy, Send me the serial number and I will be glad to date the Stover engine you have next trip to our club museum. We have the Stover records. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Stacy Leis" To: Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:29:40 +0000 > Hi List > > I need some help identifying this engine and is it hit & miss or throttle > governed i think it is a stover and about what hp is it? thanks for the help > > Stacy :-) > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4472152&a=32591369&pw > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 29 08:59:41 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:59:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1D8A2AC1-F74C-4932-B204-8C59EA54F078@alltel.net> Hi Rob, I just re-listed it on e-Bay. The number is 270171341165 in case you want to take a look. Dave On Sep 21, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Is that sweet International still available? > > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:58 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> Whassup? You forgot the most important attribute of your >> "dedicated trailer" >> engines; namely that you're up and running and enjoying a cold beer >> while I'm >> still unloading engines from the trailer!! From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 29 09:34:55 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:34:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: <1D8A2AC1-F74C-4932-B204-8C59EA54F078@alltel.net> References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> <1D8A2AC1-F74C-4932-B204-8C59EA54F078@alltel.net> Message-ID: On Sep 29, 2007, at 8:59 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Rob, I just re-listed it on e-Bay. The number is 270171341165 in > case you want to take a look. > Dave > Do you deliver to the west coast? Did you advertise it at www.irontrader.com? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 29 09:40:06 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:40:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: <1D8A2AC1-F74C-4932-B204-8C59EA54F078@alltel.net> References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> <1D8A2AC1-F74C-4932-B204-8C59EA54F078@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1191084006.46fe7fe661037@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, Damn, that's lookin' GOOD!! You should also put it on the eBay section of Harry's classified ads. See ya, Arnine Quoting David Rotigel : > Hi Rob, I just re-listed it on e-Bay. The number is 270171341165 in > case you want to take a look. > Dave > On Sep 21, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Is that sweet International still available? > > > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:58 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> Whassup? You forgot the most important attribute of your > >> "dedicated trailer" engines; namely that you're up and > >> running and enjoying a cold beer while I'm > >> still unloading engines from the trailer!! From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 29 10:51:51 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:51:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> <1D8A2AC1-F74C-4932-B204-8C59EA54F078@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Rob, On Sep 29, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> Hi Rob, I just re-listed it on e-Bay. The number is 270171341165 in >> case you want to take a look. >> Dave >> > > Do you deliver to the west coast? That could be arranged! Dave PS, Have not put it on Harry's page as yet. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Sep 29 16:47:43 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:47:43 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. Message-ID: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . I have a number of items that i would like to re plate . They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 29 17:08:48 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:08:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <20BD4504-B084-41E1-96D9-77F53F689031@rustyiron.com> On Sep 29, 2007, at 4:47 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > > Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . > I have a > number of items that i would like to re plate . > They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. Hi Peter, Not specifically nickel, but this company offers a variety of plating kits. http://www.caswellplating.com They make some good stuff. Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 29 17:22:50 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <420537.94949.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW, Peter !!! Great timing here. I want any info you get. I would like to re-plate parts on a 122 year old Majestic Wood Cook Stove that I have out in my garage. This picture on the internet is awesome. I don't want to take my stove quite this far. Mine is a little different from this one because mine has a copper water reservoir on the left end and mine doesn't have that little shelf on the right end. Mine also has four removable lids and the one shown has six. Mine has a solid panel in the center. My stove was in full time use from the Spring of 1885 to the Fall of 1985. Then on it's last day of use it cooked breakfast then we tore the house down around it and slid it onto my trailer. It has been on a cart in my garage for the last 22 years. It is going to enter it's next career in 2008 traveling to engine shows with me heating laundry water, cooking meals and making soap. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan peter ogborne wrote: Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . I have a number of items that i would like to re plate . They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 29 17:57:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:57:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <2A249138-8E58-4503-B1ED-FC7BCB21E4C2@alltel.net> Yes! Dave On Sep 29, 2007, at 7:47 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > > Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . > Peter Ogborne From driggars at wildblue.net Sat Sep 29 19:41:08 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:41:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <46FF0CC4.8060100@wildblue.net> Peter I have a home/hobby plating setup try this group out, I will approve you right away http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/electroplating Clint peter ogborne wrote: > Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . I have a > number of items that i would like to re plate . > They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 29 19:52:05 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <46FF0CC4.8060100@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <686539.95824.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Me too please !!! Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Clint D wrote: Peter I have a home/hobby plating setup try this group out, I will approve you right away http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/electroplating Clint peter ogborne wrote: > Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . I have a > number of items that i would like to re plate . > They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 29 19:53:58 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <46FF0CC4.8060100@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wait a minute here,,,,, I guess I am already a member there,,,,, I will go back and turn on the email.\ Alan Clint D wrote: Peter I have a home/hobby plating setup try this group out, I will approve you right away http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/electroplating Clint peter ogborne wrote: > Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . I have a > number of items that i would like to re plate . > They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. From driggars at wildblue.net Sat Sep 29 20:15:03 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:15:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net> Alan just speak up over there, also make sure you check the files and links sections, look for the oldies1955 web link Clint Alan Bowen wrote: > Wait a minute here,,,,, > I guess I am already a member there,,,,, > I will go back and turn on the email.\ > > Alan > > Clint D wrote: Peter > > I have a home/hobby plating setup > > try this group out, I will approve you right away > http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/electroplating > > Clint > > peter ogborne wrote: > >> Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . I have a >> number of items that i would like to re plate . >> They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 29 20:59:49 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:59:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> Clint I am joining the group to as I have some plating I want to do.I have submitted my membership, how long does it take to get approved? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. > From driggars at wildblue.net Sat Sep 29 21:56:27 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:56:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net> <00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <46FF2C7B.5040905@wildblue.net> Paul I approved you right after you signed up Clint Paul Maples wrote: > Clint I am joining the group to as I have some plating I want to do.I have > submitted my membership, how long does it take to get approved? > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Sep 30 03:41:23 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:41:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Message-ID: <093020071041.13262.46FF7D5300008403000033CE219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi All, I have a flat head six cyl engine with a head bolt broken off. Its been advised to use a product called MO-44 Rust Buster (Supco Products) along with heat to remove the broken stud. Was wonderinging if any one has used this product with any success? thank you in advance, Curt Andree From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 30 06:16:35 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:16:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Message-ID: In a message dated 9/30/2007 6:43:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cgandree at mchsi.com writes: heat to remove the broken stud. Heat works wonders on stuck bolts! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 30 06:50:14 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:50:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net><00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46FF2C7B.5040905@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <001001c80368$d490f150$240110ac@FAMILY> I saw that Clint and regretted sending the notice out.Some of the groups have instant approval and some I have subscribed to have actually taken a couple of days to get approved. I assume this is because the moderator does not monitor the site all of the time. Clint I surfed through some of the links and pictures but did not find any instructions for building a simple basic system for nickel or chrome. Is there somewhere on the site that gives basic instructions as to what combinations of chemicals, their volumes needed, current requirements, anode and cathode bars needed, etc., to have a small plating system say in buckets or something similar. This info may be on your site and I just did not see it. I worked for 35 years at a manufacturing plant and the plating guy and I were good friends as well as I worked on his plating tanks a lot and I know that on nickel plating the part went though a reverse current cleaning tank that I think had phosphoric acid in it, then through a rinse thank and then through a nickel bath tank that had electrodes on it. These were large 400 gallons bath. I think I remember about five or six tanks in the process. I just want a little small system for plating a few small parts for the beginning. Thanks for all of the help. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. > Paul > > I approved you right after you signed up > Clint > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 30 07:34:58 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:34:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck References: <093020071041.13262.46FF7D5300008403000033CE219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003401c8036f$14561c60$240110ac@FAMILY> Curt how much of the stud is still sticking above the casting. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Old eng list" ; "SEL Lists" Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 5:41 AM Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck > Hi All, > I have a flat head six cyl engine with a head bolt broken off. Its been > advised to use a product called MO-44 Rust Buster (Supco Products) along > with > heat to remove the broken stud. Was wonderinging if any one has used this > product with any success? > thank you in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Sep 30 08:01:26 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:01:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Message-ID: In a message dated 9/30/2007 7:43:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: Curt how much of the stud is still sticking above the casting. Is the head removed? If so, place a nut (with a diameter slightly smaller than the diameter of the broken stud) over the broken stud and carefully arc weld the nut to the stud. Let cool and it should unscrew with a wrench. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca 93454 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From driggars at wildblue.net Sun Sep 30 08:45:24 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:45:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <001001c80368$d490f150$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net><00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46FF2C7B.5040905@wildblue.net> <001001c80368$d490f150$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <46FFC494.2070300@wildblue.net> Paul In the links section is the Oldies1955 site which was created by the group owner, it goes thru all the basics of getting started on a small hobby status. here is a link Hope this helps Clint Paul Maples wrote: > I saw that Clint and regretted sending the notice out.Some of the groups > have instant approval and some I have subscribed to have actually taken a > couple of days to get approved. I assume this is because the moderator does > not monitor the site all of the time. > > Clint I surfed through some of the links and pictures but did not find any > instructions for building a simple basic system for nickel or chrome. Is > there somewhere on the site that gives basic instructions as to what > combinations of chemicals, their volumes needed, current requirements, anode > and cathode bars needed, etc., to have a small plating system say in > buckets or something similar. This info may be on your site and I just did > not see it. > > I worked for 35 years at a manufacturing plant and the plating guy and I > were good friends as well as I worked on his plating tanks a lot and I know > that on nickel plating the part went though a reverse current cleaning tank > that I think had phosphoric acid in it, then through a rinse thank and then > through a nickel bath tank that had electrodes on it. These were large 400 > gallons bath. I think I remember about five or six tanks in the process. > > I just want a little small system for plating a few small parts for the > beginning. > > Thanks for all of the help. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:56 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. > > > >> Paul >> >> I approved you right after you signed up >> Clint >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sun Sep 30 12:12:18 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:12:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] fuller and johnson Message-ID: <000901c80395$df7757d0$9b94e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knew where it would be possible to locate a mag bracket for a 1925 f & j type NB,it is for a wico ek mag with a plug hole to suit a 7/8" plug. thanks, Craig in Scotland From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 30 12:15:31 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:15:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net><00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46FF2C7B.5040905@wildblue.net><001001c80368$d490f150$240110ac@FAMILY> <46FFC494.2070300@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <004c01c80396$45a1f9c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Clint I will go and check this out.I appreciate it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. > Paul > > In the links section is the Oldies1955 site which was created by the > group owner, it goes thru all the basics of getting started on a small > hobby status. > here is a link > > > Hope this helps > Clint > > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Sep 30 15:16:17 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 06:16:17 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net><00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46FF2C7B.5040905@wildblue.net><001001c80368$d490f150$240110ac@FAMILY> <46FFC494.2070300@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <002701c803af$89aaee60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Clint ,exactly what I was looking for .Thanks also to all others who responded. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. > Paul > > In the links section is the Oldies1955 site which was created by the > group owner, it goes thru all the basics of getting started on a small > hobby status. > here is a link > > > Hope this helps > Clint > > > Paul Maples wrote: >> I saw that Clint and regretted sending the notice out.Some of the groups >> have instant approval and some I have subscribed to have actually taken a >> couple of days to get approved. I assume this is because the moderator >> does >> not monitor the site all of the time. >> >> Clint I surfed through some of the links and pictures but did not find >> any >> instructions for building a simple basic system for nickel or chrome. Is >> there somewhere on the site that gives basic instructions as to what >> combinations of chemicals, their volumes needed, current requirements, >> anode >> and cathode bars needed, etc., to have a small plating system say in >> buckets or something similar. This info may be on your site and I just >> did >> not see it. >> >> I worked for 35 years at a manufacturing plant and the plating guy and I >> were good friends as well as I worked on his plating tanks a lot and I >> know >> that on nickel plating the part went though a reverse current cleaning >> tank >> that I think had phosphoric acid in it, then through a rinse thank and >> then >> through a nickel bath tank that had electrodes on it. These were large >> 400 >> gallons bath. I think I remember about five or six tanks in the process. >> >> I just want a little small system for plating a few small parts for the >> beginning. >> >> Thanks for all of the help. >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Clint D" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. >> >> >> >>> Paul >>> >>> I approved you right after you signed up >>> Clint >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dleis at centurytel.net Sun Sep 30 18:01:30 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:01:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine References: <092920071101.19366.46FE309A0009A91100004BA6219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000d01c803c6$9b457ed0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi Curt & everyone the serial number is TA 263063 thank you for the help. It sure feels good to be able to play with engines again i have had a rough year with my health so far, but i hope thinks are on the up swing now. Stacy :-) From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 30 18:23:05 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:23:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine In-Reply-To: <000d01c803c6$9b457ed0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <092920071101.19366.46FE309A0009A91100004BA6219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <000d01c803c6$9b457ed0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <4CD3F48E-C908-4B31-95E0-E195AC69B759@alltel.net> 1938. Dave On Sep 30, 2007, at 9:01 PM, Stacy Leis wrote: > > Hi Curt & everyone > > the serial number is TA 263063 thank you for the help. It > sure > feels good to be able to play with engines again i have had a rough > year > with my health so far, but i hope thinks are on the up swing now. > > > Stacy :-) From dleis at centurytel.net Sun Sep 30 18:28:23 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:28:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine References: <092920071101.19366.46FE309A0009A91100004BA6219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><000d01c803c6$9b457ed0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <4CD3F48E-C908-4B31-95E0-E195AC69B759@alltel.net> Message-ID: <000601c803ca$5c71fb30$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Thank you Dave Stacy :-) From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 30 18:48:41 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine In-Reply-To: <000d01c803c6$9b457ed0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <560496.2235.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> According to this site that would of been made sometime around the middle of 1938. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/technical/Stover.htm Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Stacy Leis wrote: Hi Curt & everyone the serial number is TA 263063 thank you for the help. It sure feels good to be able to play with engines again i have had a rough year with my health so far, but i hope thinks are on the up swing now. Stacy :-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sun Sep 30 23:41:22 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:41:22 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck In-Reply-To: <093020071041.13262.46FF7D5300008403000033CE219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: The old mechanics had two methods i know of one was heating the stud and then putting paraffin around the base of the stud on cooling it draws the paraffin in or the other method was to heat the stud and then cool it rapidly with a cloth dipped in water and then unscrew this used to work quite often use some vice grips or could file the stud square to get better traction with a cresent other wise if it has broken off at the head itself then put a washer down and then a close fitting nut on top and then fill around the nut with weld and undo i use this method as pretty much always works i put the washer down so i dont weld the nut to the base metal just as a precaution. brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:41 PM To: Old eng list; SEL Lists Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Hi All, I have a flat head six cyl engine with a head bolt broken off. Its been advised to use a product called MO-44 Rust Buster (Supco Products) along with heat to remove the broken stud. Was wonderinging if any one has used this product with any success? thank you in advance, Curt Andree _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1037 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 1:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1037 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 1:32 PM From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 1 05:12:10 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:12:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally in Oz Message-ID: <003c01c7ec91$5332a6f0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I decided to go to the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville as a spectator for the day today, Saturday. It is only a 2 hour drive from my place and not a bad drive. A lot less engines than last year but still a good show. The first day of Spring came on strong with many sunburnt heads for the first time this year. List members Patrick Livingston, Peter Woodmore, Cam Grundy & myself were in attendance, don't think I missed anyone??? plus I caught up with many collectors that I have met over the years. John Culp, have a look at the 75lb hammer and what is did to Patrick's face trying to lift it. The junk dealer who had if for sale ($500 so was it really for sale?) said it was a blank un-finished hammer and that the fitted handle would never have held the weight. A rough forging to be finished off at a later date.. I placed some photos for all to see, including some for the FATG's http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/Rusty%20Iron%20Photos/index.htm Tomorrow is Father's day here in Oz and this father is spending all day working on his new vertical 2hp R&V, Happy Father's Day to all. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Sep 2 14:49:07 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:49:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics Message-ID: <003a01c7edab$16a71e30$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Not sure if my link before got through, here are pictures of the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville this weekend gone. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/Rusty%20Iron%20Photos/index.htm Peter, Oz From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 2 16:22:27 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:22:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Charity Dinner/Auction Video In-Reply-To: <6f6025160708311506j1d0400f6p7964fe9b349bf12a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160708311506j1d0400f6p7964fe9b349bf12a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0DB25CB7-F34E-4EAC-946F-25051692DACB@alltel.net> Thank you Peter! Memories are ALWAYS better when they are put "in motion!" Dave On Aug 31, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have found an acceptable (just) quality of video using the AVI > format as suggested by Jim & Christian French today. > > The sections of video are put into one, names and items for sale have > been concealed to protect the innocent.... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cWywlanEgY > > We'll try this format on some of the engine stuff and see how good > it is. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 3 04:12:18 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:12:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally in Oz In-Reply-To: <003c01c7ec91$5332a6f0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070903111224.BROG20695.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Another great rally weekend in Oz. Some nice engines, a great location & a bunch of fantastic people and you have a pretty good weekend. I am exhausted but happy ;) I took well over 200 pictures & whn I get some I will put them up on my site. The two highlight engines for me were the Columbus (which traveled 1600km each way to be at the rally) & the big Tangye. Now it is less than two weeks until the next rally :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all I decided to go to the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville as a spectator for the day today, Saturday. It is only a 2 hour drive from my place and not a bad drive. A lot less engines than last year but still a good show. The first day of Spring came on strong with many sunburnt heads for the first time this year. List members Patrick Livingston, Peter Woodmore, Cam Grundy & myself were in attendance, don't think I missed anyone??? plus I caught up with many collectors that I have met over the years. John Culp, have a look at the 75lb hammer and what is did to Patrick's face trying to lift it. The junk dealer who had if for sale ($500 so was it really for sale?) said it was a blank un-finished hammer and that the fitted handle would never have held the weight. A rough forging to be finished off at a later date.. I placed some photos for all to see, including some for the FATG's http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/Rusty%20Iron%20Photos/in dex.htm Tomorrow is Father's day here in Oz and this father is spending all day working on his new vertical 2hp R&V, Happy Father's Day to all. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 3 04:50:10 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:50:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics Message-ID: <090320071150.21719.46DBF4F2000B805D000054D7219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Yes Peter the pics came through ok the first time and enjoyed them especially seeing Patrick trying to pickup that $500, 75lb sledge, real ball buster! thanks, Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" , "ATIS" Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:52:27 +0000 > Hi all > > Not sure if my link before got through, here are pictures of the Rusty Iron > Rally at Macksville this weekend gone. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/Rusty%20Iron%20Photos/index. > htm > > > Peter, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 3 04:53:21 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:53:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Columbus Video Message-ID: <20070903115338.ERWD5386.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I took this short video of the Columbus that was at Rusty Iron on the weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gbNn4ESWnk Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 3 04:56:26 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:56:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <090320071150.21719.46DBF4F2000B805D000054D7219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20070903115632.GSIP22867.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I was thinking of using the sledge to aid Dave on his mission to eliminate Maytags. The little buggers are starting to infest Oz, so much for quarantine ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Yes Peter the pics came through ok the first time and enjoyed them especially seeing Patrick trying to pickup that $500, 75lb sledge, real ball buster! thanks, Curt Andree From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Sep 3 06:19:27 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:19:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Columbus Video In-Reply-To: <20070903115338.ERWD5386.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20070903115338.ERWD5386.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070903091544.02fa9610@pop3.wcoil.com> I had no idea that a Columus had made its way down under, Thats a small one too. Mark At 07:53 AM 9/3/07, you wrote: >I took this short video of the Columbus that was at Rusty Iron on the >weekend: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gbNn4ESWnk > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 3 13:53:44 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 06:53:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Columbus Video In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070903091544.02fa9610@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20070903205354.HGKK11359.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> HI Mark, There are not a great number of Columbus engines here but a few are around, including a some of the verticals. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I had no idea that a Columus had made its way down under, Thats a small one too. Mark From jbcast at charter.net Mon Sep 3 18:21:31 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:21:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] help, Algonquin, IL, In-Reply-To: <20070903205354.HGKK11359.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20070903212131.LUHBX.113016.root@mp20> Anyone on the list near Algonquin, IL? I need an engine picked up, strapped to a pallet and dropped off at a loading dock. About 200lbs. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jtstraka at adelphia.net Mon Sep 3 19:30:36 2007 From: jtstraka at adelphia.net (jtstraka at adelphia.net) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:30:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] muffler Message-ID: <7236063.1188873036790.JavaMail.root@web34> Does anyone have pictures ,dimensions ,for a muffler on a 6hp Christensen Type F .I need to make one or find one. Thank you -Ted From jtstraka at adelphia.net Mon Sep 3 19:31:12 2007 From: jtstraka at adelphia.net (jtstraka at adelphia.net) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:31:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] muffler Message-ID: <1202506.1188873072129.JavaMail.root@web34> Does anyone have pictures ,dimensions ,for a muffler on a 6hp Christensen Type F .I need to make one or find one. Thank you -Ted From dleis at centurytel.net Wed Sep 5 17:20:02 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:20:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION Message-ID: <000501c7f01b$abccd6e0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi List I found this auction and i thought some of you might be interested in it. Stacy :-) http://www.clintsauction.com/sept22.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Sep 5 17:51:38 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:51:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION References: <000501c7f01b$abccd6e0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <000501c7f020$14ef8650$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Also more auctions here: http://nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/agmuseum_listing/ http://nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/kaczmarek_listing/ Peter, Oz > Hi List > > I found this auction and i thought some of you might be interested > in it. > Stacy :-) > > http://www.clintsauction.com/sept22.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Sep 5 18:22:26 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:22:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION In-Reply-To: <000501c7f01b$abccd6e0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <000501c7f01b$abccd6e0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <46DF5652.6070308@scrtc.com> Darn Stacy, that looks a lot like my place! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Stacy Leis wrote: >Hi List > > I found this auction and i thought some of you might be interested in it. > Stacy :-) > >http://www.clintsauction.com/sept22.html >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From clemsweller at etczone.com Thu Sep 6 03:39:58 2007 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 06:39:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION In-Reply-To: <46DF5652.6070308@scrtc.com> References: <000501c7f01b$abccd6e0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <46DF5652.6070308@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000001c7f072$456a2270$d03e6750$@com> So, as I count, there are 26 or so of the engines that are labeled as "Free"! Who can I send my shipping address to? I'll take em all! Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION Darn Stacy, that looks a lot like my place! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Stacy Leis wrote: >Hi List > > I found this auction and i thought some of you might be interested in it. > Stacy :-) > >http://www.clintsauction.com/sept22.html >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 10:36 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 10:36 PM From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Sep 6 05:45:22 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:45:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... Message-ID: <46DFF662.9040702@steamengine.com.au> Hi everyone, I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the engines I don't even care about the shed. Regards Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 6 06:09:57 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:09:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <46DFF662.9040702@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002401c7f087$394346b0$0601a8c0@altech> Hey Paul We want photos mate !!!!!!!!!! Peter, Oz > Hi everyone, > I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it > resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was > dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the > intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are > stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that > someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine > flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the > engines I don't even care about the shed. > > Regards > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Sep 6 06:49:20 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:49:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46DFF662.9040702@steamengine.com.au> References: <46DFF662.9040702@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070906093924.0307b9f0@pop3.wcoil.com> Thats one tall frickin tree, Thats about 262 foot tall if I converted correctly. And over 8 foot diameter trunk. Gonna lumber the trunk out? That had to make one whale of a thump when it hit. The engines wouldn't have just been broken they would have been pulverized and driven into the ground. There'd a been nothing to do but level the crater with fresh earth and build a new shed. Mark PS: YES Pictures please. At 08:45 AM 9/6/07, you wrote: >Hi everyone, >I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it >resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was >dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the >intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are >stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that >someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine >flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the >engines I don't even care about the shed. > >Regards >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 10:10:34 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <002401c7f087$394346b0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Me Too !!!! Pictures Please !!! Lumber or a year's supply of firewood? Here is a thought,,,, Document this with dated pictures and then have some cut up and use the lumber to make engine carts. By missing the engines even though it seemed to be attracted to them maybe that tree is telling you it wants to be closer to your engines ?????? Alan Bowen Peter Lowe wrote: Hey Paul We want photos mate !!!!!!!!!! Peter, Oz > Hi everyone, > I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it > resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was > dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the > intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are > stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that > someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine > flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the > engines I don't even care about the shed. > > Regards > Paul --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 6 12:10:19 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:10:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> Alan Bowen wrote: > Me Too !!!! Pictures Please !!! > > Lumber or a year's supply of firewood? > Firewood? Hell Alan it never gets below a 100 in Oz in the dead of winter :-) We were on the southern most tip of South Australia in the dead of winter and it was a 104. Perhaps Paul can build a firewood burning absorption air conditioning system. The whole lot of 'em would freeze to death if they had to spend a winter in your state! Curt P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out of a Eucalyptus tree? From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 12:39:00 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <450785.44019.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Now Curt,,,, While we were having our summer many times I have read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is too cold to work in their engine sheds. Were you there in our winter time or theirs? Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Curt wrote: Alan Bowen wrote: > Me Too !!!! Pictures Please !!! > > Lumber or a year's supply of firewood? > Firewood? Hell Alan it never gets below a 100 in Oz in the dead of winter :-) We were on the southern most tip of South Australia in the dead of winter and it was a 104. Perhaps Paul can build a firewood burning absorption air conditioning system. The whole lot of 'em would freeze to death if they had to spend a winter in your state! Curt P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out of a Eucalyptus tree? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 6 13:17:28 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:17:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <450785.44019.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <450785.44019.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46E06058.4080102@imc-group.com> Alan, Actually it was March. That would be their fall, so I fibbed a little about it being the dead of winter. But being that we were so far south and the time of year made the heat a total surprise. Hard to imagine how hot north Oz would be! It's all about perspective when hearing their whining. Kerry complains about the unbearable frigid cold weather when there is a tad of frost on a corner of his windshield in the morning. Like I said they'd never make it thru a winter in your part of the woods. Bunch of pansies...... :-) Curt Alan Bowen wrote: > Now Curt,,,, > While we were having our summer many times I have read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is too cold to work in their engine sheds. > Were you there in our winter time or theirs? > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 13:21:16 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:21:16 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <858881.64234.qm@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Curt > P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out > of a Eucalyptus tree? Curt short answer distilling of the leaves, as a boy I seen one near here, I believe most oil now is imported (for trees originally exported). Kerry Lithgow Oz Oil distillation The eucalyptus oil distilleries of Central Victoria are basically the same and each has the following components: steam supply, distilling vat(s), connecting piping, a condenser, and an oil-collecting vessel. In most of the stills the distilling equipment is antiquated and no updating of this equipment is evident. At the distillery, the vat containing the harvested leaf is positioned Underneath a removable flat lid which can be lifted completely clear of the mobile vat for ease in loading and unloading the leaf material. Three evenly-spaced pipes, running longitudinally along the floor of the vat, allow steam to be fed through a flexible steam line at the bottom of the vat. The steam line is fed by a spent-leaf fired external boiler. The lid is lowered on to the vat and tightly secured using locking clamps, and steam is injected. One charge consists of approximately 8 tonnes of green, uncompressed leaves. Distillation begins when the vat is full of leaves and the steam then passes through the charge and the oil is vaporised. The vat has a drain at the bottom which allows for the removal of the residual black liquor which consists mainly of tannins. There are three outlets for the vapour and these are connected to one central duct in the centre of the lid, allowing for the discharge of the oil/water vapours during distillation. The condenser consists of a length of pipe running from the vat to a pond. The condensate is cooled and the condensed liquid flows into the oil collection vessel. The oil collection vessel is the device for collecting the condensed distillate and allows the separation of the oil from the water. This consists of an open drum partly embedded in the ground. Since the oil is largely insoluble in water, it separates and is scooped off the surface. The distillation process Usually takes 3-4 hours and a typical distillery can distill three vat loads per day. The oil is then put into 44-gallon drums and sold in crude form for approximately US$3 per kilo (Paul Foreman, pers. comm., 1994). No further processing of the oil is undertaken on site. Further refining of the oil is done in Melbourne. This is done by rectification. Rectification is a more controlled distillation process which is used either to upgrade the oil or to isolate the major components of the oil. The chemicals are then used as precursors for chemical reactions or may be used as discrete aroma chemicals. For cineole-rich eucalyptus oil, rectification is employed to increase its market acceptance. Cineole can also be isolated by rectification and this is more expensive than basic oil and it is mainly used in high quality products (Boland et al., 1991). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 13:26:47 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:26:47 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <450785.44019.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500708.47060.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Alan Some Aussies are soft cocks, I live in about the coldest of any list member and work in the shed on engines just about every night during winter, with work only way to get restoration done Kerry Lithgow NSW > Now Curt,,,, > While we were having our summer many times I have > read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is > too cold to work in their engine sheds. > Were you there in our winter time or theirs? > > Alan Bowen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Sep 6 13:25:53 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:25:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906221219.00b15990@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 06/09/2007, you wrote: >From: "Stacy Leis" >Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION > >Hi List > I found this auction and i thought some of you might be interested > in it. > Stacy :-) >http://www.clintsauction.com/sept22.html Wow, You guys Stateside sure have things good, I've never seen so many engines for sale in one place. Even a few pallets full of lonely little Maytags ! Can anyone please tell me what this rad cooled engine is: I reckon that if I went to an auction like this my bank manager would want to kill me the next day !! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 13:36:54 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:36:54 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46E06058.4080102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <741058.61693.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Curt Not much different complaining about heat or cold its all about what you are used to, went to Darwin (top of Oz in mid winter, I was in shorts and Tee shirts as it was like our summer, all the locals were wearing jackets and saying how cool it was, as you say It's all about perspective Why would anyone live where temperatures got below freezing --- Curt wrote: > Alan, > Actually it was March. That would be their fall, so > I fibbed a little > about it being the dead of winter. But being that we > were so far south > and the time of year made the heat a total surprise. > Hard to imagine how > hot north Oz would be! > It's all about perspective when hearing their > whining. Kerry complains > about the unbearable frigid cold weather when there > is a tad of frost on > a corner of his windshield in the morning. Like I > said they'd never make > it thru a winter in your part of the woods. Bunch > of pansies...... :-) > Curt > > > > Alan Bowen wrote: > > Now Curt,,,, > > While we were having our summer many times I have > read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is > too cold to work in their engine sheds. > > Were you there in our winter time or theirs? > > > > Alan Bowen > > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Sep 6 13:47:41 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:47:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <500708.47060.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006c01c7f0c7$2bf2d080$4983fb40@HP28276676518> Kerry, What would be a normal low temp for your winter? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > G'Day Alan > Some Aussies are soft cocks, I live in about the > coldest of any list member and work in the shed on > engines just about every night during winter, with > work only way to get restoration done > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW > > >> Now Curt,,,, >> While we were having our summer many times I have >> read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is >> too cold to work in their engine sheds. >> Were you there in our winter time or theirs? >> >> Alan Bowen > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Need a vacation? Get great deals > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > http://travel.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 > 8:36 AM > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 6 13:51:04 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:51:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ANTIQUE ENGINES AUCTION References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906221219.00b15990@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <005101c7f0c7$a465ed90$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Why thats a Fairbanks Morse Zeeeee very common post war fodder . Can anyone please tell me what this rad cooled engine is: > > > > I reckon that if I went to an auction like this my bank manager > would want to kill me the next day !! > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 6 14:16:35 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:16:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <46DFF662.9040702@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <04eb01c7f0cb$390366a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Where are the pics?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > Hi everyone, > I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it > resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was > dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the > intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are > stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that > someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine > flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the > engines I don't even care about the shed. > > Regards > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Sep 6 14:33:55 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:33:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> References: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070907073038.01a989f0@ncable.com.au> >HUH! you yanks know more about pumpn oil than anybody and now you >want to know how to suck our oil system dry as well! Paul dont them >any pictures of the tree well pump! Russell > >(P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out of a Eucalyptus tree?) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From twoferals at yahoo.com.au Thu Sep 6 12:46:36 2007 From: twoferals at yahoo.com.au (twoferals) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:46:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> References: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <46E0591C.9020806@yahoo.com.au> Curt wrote: >Alan Bowen wrote: > > >>Me Too !!!! Pictures Please !!! >> >>Lumber or a year's supply of firewood? >> >> >> >Firewood? Hell Alan it never gets below a 100 in Oz in the dead of >winter :-) >We were on the southern most tip of South Australia in the dead of >winter and it was a 104. >Perhaps Paul can build a firewood burning absorption air conditioning >system. >The whole lot of 'em would freeze to death if they had to spend a winter >in your state! >Curt >P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out of a Eucalyptus tree? >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > I must be living in the wrong Australia. ;-) It's currently -2C. You don't mean Austria do you Curt? Oh, and hug a Koala, instant eucalyptus oil. Buzzy Al From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Thu Sep 6 14:37:25 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:37:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Recent trip over the pond Message-ID: <000a01c7f0ce$1eb33a20$bf9de150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi all , I just returned home last night from my jaunt accross the pond, and would like to thank all those of you that I met for your good company and hospitality that I recieve. I am not going to name names as I will be sure to miss someone . But again I would like to say that it sure was good meeting you all and putting a face to the name, and Curt that sure is agood picture of a neat looking air cooled waterloo boy and tom thumb in the next picture. Thanks Craig in Scotland P.S, who knows where or when we'll meet again. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 6 15:07:27 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:07:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <500708.47060.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <500708.47060.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sep 6, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Kerry Morris wrote: > Most Aussies are soft cocks, Hi Kerry, That explains why your sheilas are usually eager to cuddle up with a red-blooded Yank bloke. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 15:13:20 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46E0591C.9020806@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <804678.74373.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's what I am wondering, Buzzy Al, Does it ever get cold there? I just did a conversion of your -2 C. That's just 28 F. In our winter if it hits 28F we figure Spring is here and it's time to got rototill the garden,,,,, 8>)) Actually the last few winters have been rather light. It only got down to -14 F. That's -26 C for you. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan twoferals wrote: I must be living in the wrong Australia. ;-) It's currently -2C. You don't mean Austria do you Curt? Oh, and hug a Koala, instant eucalyptus oil. Buzzy Al --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Sep 6 15:21:10 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (ozengine at optusnet.com.au) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:21:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... Message-ID: <200709062221.l86MLAFp025131@mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au> G'Day Gary ONLY about -5 C (22 F) if we get a GOOD frost but then have a nice day. normal COLD winter day about 10 C (50 F) and may get an inch of snow for a few hours each year. Real hard to take for most Aussies Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz > Gary Epps wrote: > > Kerry, > > What would be a normal low temp for your winter? > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry Morris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > > > > G'Day Alan > > Some Aussies are soft cocks, I live in about the > > coldest of any list member and work in the shed on > > engines just about every night during winter, with > > work only way to get restoration done > > > > Kerry > > Lithgow NSW > > > > > >> Now Curt,,,, > >> While we were having our summer many times I have > >> read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is > >> too cold to work in their engine sheds. > >> Were you there in our winter time or theirs? > >> > >> Alan Bowen > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > ___________ > > Need a vacation? Get great deals > > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > http://travel.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: > 9/6/2007 > > 8:36 AM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 6 15:27:13 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:27:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <052d01c7f0d5$13c079f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I like your logic!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > Me Too !!!! Pictures Please !!! > > Lumber or a year's supply of firewood? > > Here is a thought,,,, > Document this with dated pictures and then have some cut up and use the > lumber to make engine carts. > > By missing the engines even though it seemed to be attracted to them maybe > that tree is telling you it wants to be closer to your engines ?????? > > Alan Bowen > > Peter Lowe wrote: Hey Paul > We want photos mate !!!!!!!!!! > > Peter, Oz > > > >> Hi everyone, >> I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it >> resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was >> dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the >> intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are >> stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that >> someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine >> flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the >> engines I don't even care about the shed. >> >> Regards >> Paul > > > --------------------------------- > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's > on, when. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From twoferals at yahoo.com.au Thu Sep 6 12:55:33 2007 From: twoferals at yahoo.com.au (twoferals) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:55:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <450785.44019.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <450785.44019.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46E05B35.9080301@yahoo.com.au> Curt's having a seniors moment Alan. He'll be OK when his meds cut in. :-P Winter on any of SA's peninsulas is like being in Antarctica. Buzzy Al Alan Bowen wrote: >Now Curt,,,, >While we were having our summer many times I have read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is too cold to work in their engine sheds. >Were you there in our winter time or theirs? > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > >Curt wrote: Alan Bowen wrote: > > >>Me Too !!!! Pictures Please !!! >> >>Lumber or a year's supply of firewood? >> >> >> >Firewood? Hell Alan it never gets below a 100 in Oz in the dead of >winter :-) >We were on the southern most tip of South Australia in the dead of >winter and it was a 104. >Perhaps Paul can build a firewood burning absorption air conditioning >system. >The whole lot of 'em would freeze to death if they had to spend a winter >in your state! >Curt >P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out of a Eucalyptus tree? >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 6 15:40:58 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:40:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Recent trip over the pond References: <000a01c7f0ce$1eb33a20$bf9de150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <004c01c7f0d7$c529e300$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ah, Craig, once Portland gets into yer blood, thera aint no hope for ya. Its a real addiction! Roll on 08! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: [SEL] Recent trip over the pond > Hi all , > I just returned home last night from my jaunt accross the pond, > and would like to thank all those of you that I met for your good company > and hospitality that I recieve. I am not going to name names as I will be > sure to miss someone . But again I would like to say that it sure was good > meeting you all and putting a face to the name, and Curt that sure is > agood picture of a neat looking air cooled waterloo boy and tom thumb in > the next picture. > > Thanks Craig in Scotland > > P.S, who knows where or when we'll meet again. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 6 15:35:24 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:35:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <902447.68068.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46E0509B.1090908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004b01c7f0d7$c4d1b0e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> > P.S. For the Ozzies.....how do you get the oil out of a Eucalyptus tree? Ya squeeze em! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Sep 6 16:24:19 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:24:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <200709062221.l86MLAFp025131@mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <006301c7f0dd$0cff3900$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> About the same in Canberra. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > G'Day Gary > > ONLY about -5 C (22 F) if we get a GOOD frost but then have a nice day. > normal COLD winter day about 10 C (50 F) and may get an inch of snow for a few hours each year. > Real hard to take for most Aussies > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > > > Gary Epps wrote: > > > > Kerry, > > > > What would be a normal low temp for your winter? > > > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kerry Morris" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > > > > > > > G'Day Alan > > > Some Aussies are soft cocks, I live in about the > > > coldest of any list member and work in the shed on > > > engines just about every night during winter, with > > > work only way to get restoration done > > > > > > Kerry > > > Lithgow NSW > > > > > > > > >> Now Curt,,,, > > >> While we were having our summer many times I have > > >> read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is > > >> too cold to work in their engine sheds. > > >> Were you there in our winter time or theirs? > > >> > > >> Alan Bowen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > ___________ > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals > > > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > > http://travel.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: > > 9/6/2007 > > > 8:36 AM > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Sep 6 16:37:56 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:37:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <200709062221.l86MLAFp025131@mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <009e01c7f0de$f46c6960$4983fb40@HP28276676518> I wouldn't have to worry about frozen water pipes in the shop unless it stayed 22* for a couple of weeks. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... > G'Day Gary > > ONLY about -5 C (22 F) if we get a GOOD frost but then have a nice day. > normal COLD winter day about 10 C (50 F) and may get an inch of snow for a > few hours each year. > Real hard to take for most Aussies > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > >> Gary Epps wrote: >> >> Kerry, >> >> What would be a normal low temp for your winter? >> >> Gary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerry Morris" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... >> >> >> > G'Day Alan >> > Some Aussies are soft cocks, I live in about the >> > coldest of any list member and work in the shed on >> > engines just about every night during winter, with >> > work only way to get restoration done >> > >> > Kerry >> > Lithgow NSW >> > >> > >> >> Now Curt,,,, >> >> While we were having our summer many times I have >> >> read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is >> >> too cold to work in their engine sheds. >> >> Were you there in our winter time or theirs? >> >> >> >> Alan Bowen >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> ___________ >> > Need a vacation? Get great deals >> > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. >> > http://travel.yahoo.com/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: >> 9/6/2007 >> > 8:36 AM >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 > 8:36 AM > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Sep 6 16:56:41 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:56:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, We had our annual show this last weekend and my camera broke !! I'm trying to get pics from other guys and will put them up as soon as I can. We, in South Africa, do not have as many engines as you guys overseas and our shows are much smaller but we managed to get over 300 engines this time which makes it the biggest show in South Africa - ( What the hell - make that "Africa" :-)). The first show that I attended at this club ( I was not a member yet - this is when I got afflicted with this old iron sickness) was in mid 2004. They had about 40 engines on display so the news is good. The hobby is alive and thriving in South Africa. 3 years later - over 300 engines! I can only imagine what your overseas shows are like with so many more engines running. The great news is that my Maytag stole the show !! (Sorry Dave). It ran beautifully and the temporary (which may become permanent) muffler I made for it blew smoke (and "smoke rings" when the breeze was still) all day (for 2 days). It started first time every time (much to my amazement) and really did itself proud. I ran it on a 20:1 mix with modern 2 stroke oil but will later experiment with other ratios until I get the smoke "just right". It was great - there was this little Maytag, nestled amongst many more illustrious machines but the smoke and noise he generated assured him of much attention. Spectators "Ooohed and Aaaghed" over him. Questions abounded and ranged from "What the F--- is that?" to "It's beautiful, where did you get it?" and (this one is just for Dave Rotigel) "Why is it belted to that electric motor ?" (Just joking). A few problems I encountered (input welcome): 1) He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a litre of fuel. Is this normal ? I think it is quite heavy considering that he is not pulling a load 2) It was a hot day (30 deg. Centigrade) and he was standing in the full sun. After he ran out of fuel I did battle a bit to start him. ( This does not happen at lower ambient temperatures). The problem was solved by putting him in a shady spot for about 1/2 an hour to cool down and then he started 1st kick and ran fine again. 3) The little brute is so small and close to the ground that he got dirty very quickly - all those other jealous big engines blew dust and dirt all over him. Of course the oily smoke cloud that he generated around himself caused this all to stick to him. (I do not need answers to this one :-)) I've added a few pictures to my Maytag page showing his new skids, decals and muffler. Look here if you're interested: The new pics are at the bottom of the page. I'll be looking for a Maytag Twin to display with him in the near future so if anyone has one for sale at a reasonable price please contact me off list. The brief is simple: a) It has to be complete and restorable. I don't want to get an engine and then spend a fortune on getting spares from the States. b) The price has to be affordable to me considering that postage to South Africa almost doubles my cost. Thanks for reading. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 6 17:20:50 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:20:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <00d001c7f0e4$f2b18b40$240110ac@FAMILY> Nice pictures Jerry (of you and the engine) Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > Hi Guys, > We had our annual show this last weekend and my camera broke !! > I'm trying to get pics from other guys and will put them up as soon as I > can. > > We, in South Africa, do not have as many engines as you guys > overseas and our shows are much smaller but we managed to get over 300 > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 6 17:50:44 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:50:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, Your MOTOR looks LIKE NEW!!!!! I'm glad that it's a "hit" in SA-- that's one more of the little bastards that can't smoke up the USA! I think that Rob Skinner uses 50 to 1 (synthetic) in his model of FRED'S MISTAKE--but you should check with him before you try it. (I use 4,000 to 1 in most of mine, but I probably have a different goal in mind that do you!) You may want to keep your computer open to the X-mas Charity auction again this year. There just may be a TWIN that will be put up. I will need to check out a few things before I can be sure, but keep tuned! Dave PS, Glad that the canned smoke and the mirror are working well! On Sep 6, 2007, at 7:56 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys, > We had our annual show this last weekend and my camera > broke !! > I'm trying to get pics from other guys and will put them up as soon > as I can. > > We, in South Africa, do not have as many engines as you guys > overseas and our shows are much smaller but we managed to get over 300 > engines this time which makes it the biggest show in South Africa - > ( What > the hell - make that "Africa" :-)). > > The first show that I attended at this club ( I was not a > member > yet - this is when I got afflicted with this old iron sickness) was > in mid > 2004. They had about 40 engines on display so the news is good. The > hobby > is alive and thriving in South Africa. 3 years later - over 300 > engines! > > I can only imagine what your overseas shows are like with > so many > more engines running. > > The great news is that my Maytag stole the show !! (Sorry > Dave). > It ran beautifully and the temporary (which may become permanent) > muffler I > made for it blew smoke (and "smoke rings" when the breeze was > still) all > day (for 2 days). It started first time every time (much to my > amazement) > and really did itself proud. I ran it on a 20:1 mix with modern 2 > stroke > oil but will later experiment with other ratios until I get the smoke > "just right". > > It was great - there was this little Maytag, nestled > amongst many > more illustrious machines but the smoke and noise he generated > assured him > of much attention. Spectators "Ooohed and Aaaghed" over him. Questions > abounded and ranged from "What the F--- is that?" to "It's > beautiful, where > did you get it?" and (this one is just for Dave Rotigel) "Why is it > belted > to that electric motor ?" (Just joking). > > A few problems I encountered (input welcome): > 1) He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a litre of fuel. Is this > normal ? I think it is quite heavy considering that he is not > pulling a load > 2) It was a hot day (30 deg. Centigrade) and he was > standing in > the full sun. After he ran out of fuel I did battle a bit to start > him. ( > This does not happen at lower ambient temperatures). The problem > was solved > by putting him in a shady spot for about 1/2 an hour to cool down > and then > he started 1st kick and ran fine again. > 3) The little brute is so small and close to the ground > that he > got dirty very quickly - all those other jealous big engines blew > dust and > dirt all over him. Of course the oily smoke cloud that he generated > around > himself caused this all to stick to him. (I do not need answers to > this one > :-)) > > I've added a few pictures to my Maytag page showing his > new skids, > decals and muffler. Look here if you're interested: > > > > The new pics are at the bottom of the page. > > I'll be looking for a Maytag Twin to display with him in > the near > future so if anyone has one for sale at a reasonable price please > contact > me off list. The brief is simple: > a) It has to be complete and restorable. I don't want to > get an > engine and then spend a fortune on getting spares from the States. > b) The price has to be affordable to me considering that > postage > to South Africa almost doubles my cost. > Thanks for reading. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 18:10:44 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070907015648.00b1e2b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <329570.28014.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry, Welcome to the ranks of many Maytag single owners. Details on this statement please? "He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a liter of fuel. Is this normal ? " Are you saying the tank holds a liter of fuel? I fill the tank on mine and I can almost set my watch by it. Two hours later it wants fuel. I would like to hear your engine run and compare it with mine. Yours may be running faster than mine. Think about what is happening. The engine HITS, Then it turns over four to six more times and every time it doesn't hit it is still pumping fuel through it. That engine will waste way more fuel than it will burn. BTW, When you get your Twin,,,, You will like it. Ten hours on a tank of fuel. Can you buy 30wt non-detergent oil there in S.A. ? 16 to 1 is right. Keep plenty oil on those bronze bushings. Doesn't oil build up in the bottom of that muffler you made? Are you going to complete that engine by adding the other plate above the carb, a kill rod and a piece of metal for the kill rod to pull against the plug? http://www.rake60.com/Maytag%2092M%20Oil%20Decal.jpg http://www.rake60.com/Maytag%2092M%20Top%20Decal.jpg A few years ago (2004, I think) I went to a small show just for one day. My shop was a mess and I looked at the engines I wanted to take and apologized to them. Then I grabbed my favorite Maytag single and the closest twin. That was my display. I was amazed at how well those two running Maytags went over. >From groups of Teens to Old Geezers Other Maytags owned by folks that didn't seem to know how to make them run were just sitting there being ignored. I got a lot of nice comments. I made it a game with folks to see how long that twin would last on a tank of fuel One group was there talking to me when the single ran out of fuel. I looked at my watch and said,"Yup, Right on time." I filled it up and gave it one kick and it was running. I told the folks to come back in two hours and don't be late if you want to see me fuel that Maytag up again. They asked when the twin would need fuel. I told them that was the same tank of gas it started with and I just put the second one in the single. Lots of folks kept coming back every two hours and asking if that twin was still on it's first tank of fuel. Well,,, I guess I was there ten hours. It was evening when that twin finally quit and several people were there and commented how much more efficient that twin was. Just then the single quit. It had gone through five tanks of gas to the singles one. BTW, That day was at least 90 F, or 32 C and it made no difference to my single. I remember how hot it was,,, I didn't take my canopy, just two little engines, a chair and a can of fuel. NEVER AGAIN !!!! Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Jerry Evans wrote: Hi Guys, We had our annual show this last weekend and my camera broke !! I'm trying to get pics from other guys and will put them up as soon as I can. We, in South Africa, do not have as many engines as you guys overseas and our shows are much smaller but we managed to get over 300 engines this time which makes it the biggest show in South Africa - ( What the hell - make that "Africa" :-)). The first show that I attended at this club ( I was not a member yet - this is when I got afflicted with this old iron sickness) was in mid 2004. They had about 40 engines on display so the news is good. The hobby is alive and thriving in South Africa. 3 years later - over 300 engines! I can only imagine what your overseas shows are like with so many more engines running. The great news is that my Maytag stole the show !! (Sorry Dave). It ran beautifully and the temporary (which may become permanent) muffler I made for it blew smoke (and "smoke rings" when the breeze was still) all day (for 2 days). It started first time every time (much to my amazement) and really did itself proud. I ran it on a 20:1 mix with modern 2 stroke oil but will later experiment with other ratios until I get the smoke "just right". It was great - there was this little Maytag, nestled amongst many more illustrious machines but the smoke and noise he generated assured him of much attention. Spectators "Ooohed and Aaaghed" over him. Questions abounded and ranged from "What the F--- is that?" to "It's beautiful, where did you get it?" and (this one is just for Dave Rotigel) "Why is it belted to that electric motor ?" (Just joking). A few problems I encountered (input welcome): 1) He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a liter of fuel. Is this normal ? I think it is quite heavy considering that he is not pulling a load 2) It was a hot day (30 deg. Centigrade) and he was standing in the full sun. After he ran out of fuel I did battle a bit to start him. ( This does not happen at lower ambient temperatures). The problem was solved by putting him in a shady spot for about 1/2 an hour to cool down and then he started 1st kick and ran fine again. 3) The little brute is so small and close to the ground that he got dirty very quickly - all those other jealous big engines blew dust and dirt all over him. Of course the oily smoke cloud that he generated around himself caused this all to stick to him. (I do not need answers to this one :-)) I've added a few pictures to my Maytag page showing his new skids, decals and muffler. Look here if you're interested: The new pics are at the bottom of the page. I'll be looking for a Maytag Twin to display with him in the near future so if anyone has one for sale at a reasonable price please contact me off list. The brief is simple: a) It has to be complete and restorable. I don't want to get an engine and then spend a fortune on getting spares from the States. b) The price has to be affordable to me considering that postage to South Africa almost doubles my cost. Thanks for reading. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Sep 6 20:35:10 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:35:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070906225802.0307ae20@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Jerry, Congrats on a successfull first outing for the Maytag. The Maytag invasion of the African continent can begin. GRINNN. Alans got it right. Lots of wasted fuel out the exhaust between hits. 20 -1 is probably just fine since its running no load. But stick to the two cycle lubes. In the long run theres less carbon build up and deposits. Other oils lube probably just as well but in the long term deposits show the problem. Mind ya now as seldom as they get run in retirement you'll be a long time seeing the deposits from say 30W oils but it will eventually build up. If you can easily get marine or outboard two cycle oils they seem to work the best and are not much more $$ then the less suitable lubes. Smoke is just a part of life with a tag. That restart problem might be from a coil that gets weak as it heats up. Expansion from heat in the windings allows for some leakage thru the insulation inside the windings. After it cools some and things settle down a bit it fires right back up. 30C is not that hot for a Tag. When you run it next time stop it about half way thru a tank full and then try to restart. If its hard to start than a weak coil may be the thing. A condenser might also be some of the problem. Hell theres a couple other little things that can cause that too. You just have to start chasing possabilities. Unless you have the proper test equipment to check coils. Some coils that have this problem in a more severe form will cause the engine to quit on its own and not restart till its cooled down. Make sure the points are really clean. You mentioned it was really dusty around. Some dust could be getting between the points and causing some connection problems. This will weaken the spark too. If you do get a twin make sure the seller guarantees the coil and crankshaft to be good. These are MAJOR expensive and highly problematic parts of a twin. And available good twin coils are nearly non existant. TTYL, Mark > The great news is that my Maytag stole the show !! (Sorry Dave). >It ran beautifully and the temporary (which may become permanent) muffler I >made for it blew smoke (and "smoke rings" when the breeze was still) all >day (for 2 days). It started first time every time (much to my amazement) >and really did itself proud. I ran it on a 20:1 mix with modern 2 stroke >oil but will later experiment with other ratios until I get the smoke >"just right". > > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Sep 7 00:16:23 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:16:23 +1200 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <46DFF662.9040702@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Paul sounds a good time to buy a lotto ticket and a new shed i would say that was fortunate indeed.. brentnz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul Pavlinovich Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... Hi everyone, I had a dead 80m high Mountain Ash (a eucalypt) dropped today and it resulted in a near miss for my engines. The 2.5m diameter trunk was dropped last after the tree had been limbed. It fell almost in the intended line... it grazed the front of the shed where the engines are stored. The shed had no chance whatsover... looks like a coke can that someone stomped on. Just inside the ruined front is the first engine flywheel - totally untouched. My lucky day! I was so happy about the engines I don't even care about the shed. Regards Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 7 01:51:35 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:51:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... References: <858881.64234.qm@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c7f12c$4bcd0190$0601a8c0@altech> Eucalyptus oil is the best product for removing the sticky gum left behind from price tags and other glue backed lables. http://www.helium.com/tm/378182/eucalyptus-cheap-quick-those 101 uses http://www.ausimports.com/eucoil.htm Peter, Oz > Kerry Lithgow Oz > > > Oil distillation > > The eucalyptus oil distilleries of Central Victoria > are basically the same and each has the following > components: steam supply, distilling vat(s), > connecting piping, a condenser, and an oil-collecting > vessel. In most of the stills the distilling equipment > is antiquated and no updating of this equipment is > evident. > > At the distillery, the vat containing the harvested > leaf is positioned Underneath a removable flat lid > which can be lifted completely clear of the mobile vat > for ease in loading and unloading the leaf material. > > Three evenly-spaced pipes, running longitudinally > along the floor of the vat, allow steam to be fed > through a flexible steam line at the bottom of the > vat. The steam line is fed by a spent-leaf fired > external boiler. The lid is lowered on to the vat and > tightly secured using locking clamps, and steam is > injected. One charge consists of approximately 8 > tonnes of green, uncompressed leaves. Distillation > begins when the vat is full of leaves and the steam > then passes through the charge and the oil is > vaporised. The vat has a drain at the bottom which > allows for the removal of the residual black liquor > which consists mainly of tannins. > > There are three outlets for the vapour and these are > connected to one central duct in the centre of the > lid, allowing for the discharge of the oil/water > vapours during distillation. The condenser consists of > a length of pipe running from the vat to a pond. The > condensate is cooled and the condensed liquid flows > into the oil collection vessel. > > The oil collection vessel is the device for collecting > the condensed distillate and allows the separation of > the oil from the water. This consists of an open drum > partly embedded in the ground. Since the oil is > largely insoluble in water, it separates and is > scooped off the surface. The distillation process > Usually takes 3-4 hours and a typical distillery can > distill three vat loads per day. The oil is then put > into 44-gallon drums and sold in crude form for > approximately US$3 per kilo (Paul Foreman, pers. > comm., 1994). No further processing of the oil is > undertaken on site. > > Further refining of the oil is done in Melbourne. This > is done by rectification. Rectification is a more > controlled distillation process which is used either > to upgrade the oil or to isolate the major components > of the oil. The chemicals are then used as precursors > for chemical reactions or may be used as discrete > aroma chemicals. For cineole-rich eucalyptus oil, > rectification is employed to increase its market > acceptance. Cineole can also be isolated by > rectification and this is more expensive than basic > oil and it is mainly used in high quality products > (Boland et al., 1991). > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From astfgl at iamnota.org Fri Sep 7 03:30:34 2007 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:30:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... In-Reply-To: <200709062221.l86MLAFp025131@mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200709062221.l86MLAFp025131@mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <46E1284A.6030208@iamnota.org> 10C was the minimum here this year! Here's a link to the BOM site with historical rainfall and temperature graphs for all over Australia. Click on a state, then narrow it down to the field office location. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/forms/map_forms/imagemap.shtml Cheers, glen Townsville, Qld. ozengine at optusnet.com.au wrote: > G'Day Gary > > ONLY about -5 C (22 F) if we get a GOOD frost but then have a nice day. > normal COLD winter day about 10 C (50 F) and may get an inch of snow for a few hours each year. > Real hard to take for most Aussies > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > >> Gary Epps wrote: >> >> Kerry, >> >> What would be a normal low temp for your winter? >> >> Gary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerry Morris" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] narrow miss for my engines today... >> >> >>> G'Day Alan >>> Some Aussies are soft cocks, I live in about the >>> coldest of any list member and work in the shed on >>> engines just about every night during winter, with >>> work only way to get restoration done >>> >>> Kerry >>> Lithgow NSW >>> >>> >>>> Now Curt,,,, >>>> While we were having our summer many times I have >>>> read whines by our Aussie friends about how it is >>>> too cold to work in their engine sheds. >>>> Were you there in our winter time or theirs? >>>> >>>> Alan Bowen >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> ___________ >>> Need a vacation? Get great deals >>> to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. >>> http://travel.yahoo.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: >> 9/6/2007 >>> 8:36 AM >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 05:40:57 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:40:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6.2.1.2.1.20070906225802.0307ae20@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <001401c7f14c$56e168d0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Hi Jerry, > Congrats on a successfull first outing for the Maytag. The Maytag invasion > of the African continent can begin. GRINNN. Send them all and call it reparations . Iron is at the highest price in recorded history again . From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Sep 7 09:06:50 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:06:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! Message-ID: <20070907.122329.284.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jerry, Just my 2 cents. I usually mix my gas & oil in a plastic Quart Oil Bottle to a ratio of about 20 to 1. That fills my tank to a satisfactory level. I've never actually timed how long they run on that. I've always said, "Those are HUNGRY little bastards". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri Sep 7 09:35:48 2007 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:35:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <011901c7f16d$26460200$0200a8c0@fbi> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" > > A few problems I encountered (input welcome): > 1) He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a litre of fuel. Is this > normal ? I think it is quite heavy considering that he is not pulling a > load Remember that it's American - they only build gas guzzlers! Jim -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/ From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Sep 7 10:16:51 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:16:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <011901c7f16d$26460200$0200a8c0@fbi> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070906222918.00b1b418@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <011901c7f16d$26460200$0200a8c0@fbi> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070907125918.0308b220@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Jim, Yup And the only thing we build that uses more is a US ARMY M1A1-A2 Abrahms Battle Tank. ARH ARH ARH Which coincidentally are built and refitted just 15 miles up the road from here and a rail road that carries them in and out of Lima runs thru my back yard. What a sight seeing the land might of the US Military passing by me. Have a Great Weekend Everyone! Mark >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jerry Evans" > > 1) He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a litre of fuel. Is this > > normal ? I think it is quite heavy considering that he is not pulling a > > load >Remember that it's American - they only build gas guzzlers! >Jim >-- >Jim French Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 12:42:52 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:42:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills Message-ID: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need a mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going to use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you recommend. Paul From cwja at telus.net Fri Sep 7 14:43:24 2007 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:43:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine Message-ID: <46E1C5FC.6050206@telus.net> I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial 15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be appreciated. -- Jeff Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Sep 7 16:23:06 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:23:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills In-Reply-To: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <46E1DD5A.5040008@scrtc.com> Paul, They are fine for light work and as long as you're not going to try to use them to mill out a 4 inch hole or some similar heavy work, they can do a lot along the lines of old engine repairs. If you decide you are going to get one, contact me. I have one that is new (less than an hour work done on it) that I've never used (a friend who moved traded it to me). Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Paul Maples wrote: >Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need a mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going to use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you recommend. > >Paul > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Sep 7 16:24:50 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 01:24:50 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! Message-ID: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys 'n Gals, Thanks for all the replies I got from this post (many were off list). I'll reply personally over the weekend. One question that cropped up a few times was about the muffler. I've ordered a replacement muffler (and the kill mechanism) from Mark Shulaw but this will still take some time to get here. I needed a muffler in the interim and made this one. I've put a page here which hopefully will answer all your questions: Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016) 365-5787 Fax: 086 635 5696 Cell: 083 293 7191 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Sep 7 17:02:37 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:02:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills References: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <007b01c7f1ac$3dae23c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A 5 inch travel Drill Mill will suit you. The 4" stroke is far less use. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:42 AM Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills > Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need a > mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going to > use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you > recommend. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 7 17:34:23 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:34:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, Your design is much preferable to that of Fred's. On the other hand, whatever ANYONE designed would be BETTER that ANYTHING Fred designed! Dave On Sep 7, 2007, at 7:24 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys 'n Gals, > Thanks for all the replies I got from this post (many were > off > list). I'll reply personally over the weekend. > One question that cropped up a few times was about the > muffler. > I've ordered a replacement muffler (and the kill mechanism) from Mark > Shulaw but this will still take some time to get here. I needed a > muffler > in the interim and made this one. > I've put a page here which hopefully will answer all your > questions: > > > Best regards > Jerry Evans. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 18:05:52 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:05:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills References: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> <007b01c7f1ac$3dae23c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <004801c7f1b4$67b52300$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Reg. Is there a particular model you like that don't cost a fortune to acquire? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Benchtop Mills >A 5 inch travel Drill Mill will suit you. The 4" stroke is far less use. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 18:07:54 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:07:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <005101c7f1b4$b071be00$240110ac@FAMILY> Jerry great idea and a great drawing, thanks for sharing with all of us. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > Hi Guys 'n Gals, > Thanks for all the replies I got from this post (many were off > list). I'll reply personally over the weekend. > One question that cropped up a few times was about the muffler. > I've ordered a replacement muffler (and the kill mechanism) from Mark > Shulaw but this will still take some time to get here. I needed a muffler > in the interim and made this one. > I've put a page here which hopefully will answer all your > questions: > > /sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 18:11:33 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:11:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I needed a muffler > in the interim and made this one. > I've put a page here which hopefully will answer all your > questions: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I made a muffler for one of them once Anybody still have a photo of it ? The Maytag Devil it was . Chuck http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm . From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 7 19:09:27 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine In-Reply-To: <46E1C5FC.6050206@telus.net> Message-ID: <842028.89479.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy, I have an engine that is probably a twin to yours. I don't have a manual. If I understand what you want I will try to send you a picture tomorrow. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Allen Home wrote: I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial 15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be appreciated. -- Jeff Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Sep 7 20:19:45 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:19:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine In-Reply-To: <46E1C5FC.6050206@telus.net> References: <46E1C5FC.6050206@telus.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070907231849.02eedeb0@pop3.wcoil.com> You mean a part like this that just sold on Ebay? Item number: 120149206859 Mark At 05:43 PM 9/7/07, you wrote: >I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial >15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for >this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a >picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in >the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by >holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be >appreciated. > >-- > >Jeff Allen >Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From cwja at telus.net Fri Sep 7 21:16:25 2007 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:16:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070907231849.02eedeb0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <46E1C5FC.6050206@telus.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070907231849.02eedeb0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <46E22219.1030403@telus.net> Hi Mark; Yes that is the kind of part that I need and indeed I did win this ebay and have received the part. It is not the right part and seems to be too small for my engine in all respects. I had hoped that it was the right thing but not so. Therefore I need some help. I have bought some Maytag stuff from you and appreciate your genuine help. Thanks, Jeff Mark Shulaw wrote: >You mean a part like this that just sold on Ebay? Item number: >120149206859 Mark > > >At 05:43 PM 9/7/07, you wrote: > > >>I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial >>15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for >>this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a >>picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in >>the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by >>holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be >>appreciated. >> >>-- >> >>Jeff Allen >>Edmonton, Alberta, Canada >> >> > >Mark & Christine Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > >Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >Parts lists available on request. > >Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >No Sunday calls if possible. >I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent >them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and >hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Jeff & Marja Allen at Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From cwja at telus.net Fri Sep 7 21:19:44 2007 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:19:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine In-Reply-To: <842028.89479.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <842028.89479.qm@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46E222E0.9080502@telus.net> Thanks Alan, I have responded to Mark Shulaw about the part that I won on Ebay that was the wrong size . The part was seemingly too small for my engine. I really need a picture taken from the top view of the flywheels and the detent lever makeup. Thanks for your interest; I hope your picture helps. Jeff Alan Bowen wrote: >Howdy, >I have an engine that is probably a twin to yours. >I don't have a manual. >If I understand what you want I will try to send you a picture tomorrow. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > >Allen Home wrote: I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial >15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for >this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a >picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in >the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by >holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be >appreciated. > > > -- Jeff & Marja Allen at Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 7 21:23:28 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:23:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills References: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46E1DD5A.5040008@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001401c7f1d0$021bb3d0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Paul I have a Mill / Drill great for what I want, if I did serious work I would get a Bridgeport like Reg has. Look at the last photo on my workshop site. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm Peter, Oz > Paul Maples wrote: > >>Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need a >>mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going to >>use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you >>recommend. >> >>Paul >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kimmell at verizon.net Fri Sep 7 22:13:06 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:13:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <0JO100D07AIXLY08@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> My stepdad's dad is 84 years old and was telling me about how he used to spend such a long time trying to kick-start their old Maytag washer back in the mid 30's. I showed him both my singles and they both kicked right off on the second kick. They will run beautifully when setup right, but boy are they ever finicky. PS: I like that muffler of yours. It looks like your motor is smoking a bong... 8-) -Tony Kimmell At 06:24 PM 9/7/2007, you wrote: >Hi Guys 'n Gals, > Thanks for all the replies I got from this post (many were off >list). I'll reply personally over the weekend. > One question that cropped up a few times was about the muffler. >I've ordered a replacement muffler (and the kill mechanism) from Mark >Shulaw but this will still take some time to get here. I needed a muffler >in the interim and made this one. > I've put a page here which hopefully will answer all your questions: > > >Best regards >Jerry Evans. >Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery > >Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery >Alternative ! >We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack >/ Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss >(FDISK). >We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. >Visit our site: >http://www.databak.co.za >Tel: (016) 365-5787 >Fax: 086 635 5696 >Cell: 083 293 7191 >eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za >Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 7 22:23:48 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:23:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: On Sep 7, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > I made a muffler for one of them once > Anybody still have a photo of it ? > The Maytag Devil it was . I'd forgotten about that. Who ended up with it? Didn't you make two? From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Sep 8 03:26:14 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:26:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine Message-ID: <090820071026.3688.46E278C60009780700000E68219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Jeff if your engine looks like my Nelson Bros. 1 3/4hp Little Jumbo then I might beable to help you. Send me a pic of your engine and close up of the concerned areas. Curt Andree McConnell, Ill. ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Mark Shulaw To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] MacLeod Engine Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 03:22:04 +0000 > You mean a part like this that just sold on Ebay? Item number: > 120149206859 Mark > > > At 05:43 PM 9/7/07, you wrote: > >I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial > >15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for > >this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a > >picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in > >the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by > >holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be > >appreciated. > > > >-- > > > >Jeff Allen > >Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 8 03:46:42 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 04:46:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions Message-ID: Howdy all; Will soon be coming back to this side of the tracks after 3 yrs. trying to learn how to boil water. Couple questions please; Does anyone build small IHC "M" carts w/wheels? Is there a general rule of thumb as to how much of the flat belt should contact the driven pulley? Trying to stay away from a belt tensioner for now. Thanks much!! RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 8 04:17:14 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:17:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Picture Hell Chuck. I have one of the mufflers AND the mold! Dave On Sep 7, 2007, at 9:11 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > I needed a muffler >> in the interim and made this one. >> I've put a page here which hopefully will answer all your >> questions: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > I made a muffler for one of them once > Anybody still have a photo of it ? > The Maytag Devil it was . > > > Chuck http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Sep 8 07:45:08 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:45:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c7f226$da661270$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Rick I purchased one years age for Ray Shoal (sp) Shoal Engine Shop; It was real nice and bolted right up the factory skids on my 1 1/2hp M. I think the Amish people may also have them but I don't have the contact info. for the Cattail Foundry. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:47 AM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] Couple questions > > > Howdy all; > Will soon be coming back to this side of the tracks after 3 yrs. trying to > learn how to boil water. > > Couple questions please; > > Does anyone build small IHC "M" carts w/wheels? > > Is there a general rule of thumb as to how much of the flat belt should > contact the driven pulley? Trying to stay away from a belt tensioner for > now. > > Thanks much!! > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ NOD32 2514 (20070908) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Sep 8 07:48:34 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:48:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine & Bluffton In-Reply-To: <46E22219.1030403@telus.net> References: <46E1C5FC.6050206@telus.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070907231849.02eedeb0@pop3.wcoil.com> <46E22219.1030403@telus.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070908102741.02ee31e0@pop3.wcoil.com> While we are at it I need a head, rocker, pushrod etc for a Bluffton, Nelson, McLeod, Sunpower. Some of the same or similar parts that you need. Mine is the earlier engine. The parts offered on Ebay lately are the later engine. I have an ignitor. My engines tagged Columbus Pump Supply Company. I need the 3 1/2" bolt centers head without ignitor in head. I have a spare 3 5/8" head to trade or whatever. Heres pics of my project. The carb pictured I believe is the carb I will need. The spare wrong head I have has a carb with it. Mark http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel1.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel2.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel3.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel4.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel5.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel6.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel7.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel8.jpg At 12:16 AM 9/8/07, you wrote: >Hi Mark; >Yes that is the kind of part that I need and indeed I did win this ebay >and have received the part. It is not the right part and seems to be too >small for my engine in all respects. I had hoped that it was the right >thing but not so. Therefore I need some help. I have bought some Maytag >stuff from you and appreciate your genuine help. >Thanks, Jeff > >Mark Shulaw wrote: > > >You mean a part like this that just sold on Ebay? Item number: > >120149206859 Mark > > > > > >At 05:43 PM 9/7/07, you wrote: > > > > > >>I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial > >>15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for > >>this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a > >>picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in > >>the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by > >>holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be > >>appreciated. > >> > >>-- > >> > >>Jeff Allen > >>Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > >> > >> > > > >Mark & Christine Shulaw > >454 Co. Rd. 33 > >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > >Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > >Parts lists available on request. > > > >Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > >No Sunday calls if possible. > >I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > >them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > >hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Jeff & Marja Allen at Home >Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Sep 8 07:51:27 2007 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:51:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills Message-ID: <410-22007968145127500@earthlink.net> I see one big problem with your shop Peter, it's too damn clean. A clean shop is an unhealthy shop, how do you find anything with it put away. It's so much more fun to spend an hour looking for something in a pile of crap on the bench than to simply go over to the tool box and take it out don't yeah think? Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Peter Lowe > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 9/8/2007 7:23:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Benchtop Mills > > Hi Paul > > I have a Mill / Drill great for what I want, if I did serious work I would > get a Bridgeport like Reg has. > Look at the last photo on my workshop site. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm > > Peter, Oz > > > > > Paul Maples wrote: > > > >>Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need a > >>mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going to > >>use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you > >>recommend. > >> > >>Paul > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 4:40 PM From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Sep 8 08:47:45 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:47:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <307b9fdfd49b1f084c5100cdeb875c14@chartertn.net> > Does anyone build small IHC "M" carts w/wheels? Raymond Scholl (I think that's how he spells it) in Sugar Grove, NC is who I got mine from. Very well made. Not cheap, but very nice. Advertised in GEM at the time. I was close enough to drive over and pick it up. It's made of good quality wood. He uses Schedule 80 pipe for axles, the bolsters and cart hardware are good, it's got proper bolts, and the wheels are very good quality cast iron. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 8 11:31:09 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Old Hand Powered Well Pump Message-ID: <661205.64874.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, This is not really off-topic because I want to hook this up to a pump jack and runn it with one of my engines. 8>)) Please take a look at the pictures here. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32582855&f= Any idea how old this one is??? I would love to see a complete pump like this one. I know I don't need the handle to run it with a pump jack. Thanks, Alan Bowen --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 11:18:53 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:18:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709082152218.SM01768@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 07/09/2007, you wrote: >From: Alan Bowen >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >Cc: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <329570.28014.qm at web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Hi Jerry, >Welcome to the ranks of many Maytag single owners. >Details on this statement please? >"He runs for about 1 1/2 hours on a liter of fuel. Is this >normal ? " Hi Alan, Thanks for this , I replied on the other list. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 11:15:52 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:15:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709082152390.SM01912@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 07/09/2007, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:50:44 -0400 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > >Hi Jerry, > Your MOTOR looks LIKE NEW!!!!! I'm glad that it's a "hit" in SA-- >that's one more of the little bastards that can't smoke up the USA! I >think that Rob Skinner uses 50 to 1 (synthetic) in his model of >FRED'S MISTAKE--but you should check with him before you try it. (I >use 4,000 to 1 in most of mine, but I probably have a different goal >in mind that do you!) > You may want to keep your computer open to the X-mas Charity > auction >again this year. There just may be a TWIN that will be put up. I will >need to check out a few things before I can be sure, but keep tuned! > Dave >PS, Glad that the canned smoke and the mirror are working well! Hi Dave, Coming from you this is praise indeed - thanks. I had no idea that you actually ran Maytags - I thought that you just axed them !! I suspect that you may be a closet Maytag lover - you should get help on this :-) I missed something - the canned smoke is working great but will soon be finished (can I order some more?) but I never got a mirror - where is this used ? Keep well and I'll keep up to date with the next auction. There may even be some Maytag decals on it or would this infringe on someones copyright ? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 11:29:06 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:29:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709082152468.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> >Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:35:10 -0400 >From: Mark Shulaw >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Hi Jerry, >Congrats on a successfull first outing for the Maytag. The Maytag invasion >of the African continent can begin. GRINNN. > > That restart problem might be from a coil that gets weak as it heats up. >Mark & Christine Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >Parts lists available on request. Hi Mark, Thanks for your very informative reply - I'll check those things out. Re the Invasion of the African continent - I think not, I doubt if even a Maytag could exist in total darkness :-). I'll be writing to you off list very soon. Just got lots of mail to respond to now. Keep well. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 11:02:39 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:02:39 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709082152890.SM01044@new.databak.co.za> >From: "Paul Maples" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Nice pictures Jerry (of you and the engine) >Paul Thanks Paul but I'm not a good candidate for photographs. The Maytag is 12 years older than me and looks so much better ;-) - probably runs better as well !! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 13:26:07 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:26:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070908222200.00ac2840@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > >From: "Jim French" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Remember that it's American - they only build gas guzzlers! >Jim You are sooooooooo right Jim. I wrote, on the "other list" tonight. My Ruston & Hornsby PT runs all day on a litre of petrol, but he is after all, a Ruston & Hornsby. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 13:30:32 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:30:32 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709082236984.SM01092@new.databak.co.za> > >From: jlb94 at juno.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Hi Jerry, >Just my 2 cents. >I usually mix my gas & oil in a plastic Quart Oil Bottle to a ratio of >about 20 to 1. >That fills my tank to a satisfactory level. >I've never actually timed how long they run on that. >I've always said, "Those are HUNGRY little bastards". >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hi Joe, You are right - not only are they hungry little bastards but they also make a lot of noise when they eat! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 8 13:33:05 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:33:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills References: <410-22007968145127500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002d01c7f257$762cea00$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> >> It's so much more fun to spend an hour looking for something in a pile of >> crap > on the bench than to simply go over to the tool box and take it out don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. I find the coolsest stuff sometimes . chuck From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 8 13:46:20 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:46:20 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070908223849.02c1c600@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >From: "Paul Maples" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Jerry great idea and a great drawing, thanks for sharing with all of us. >Paul Thanks Paul, It's good to see the list getting lively again. Every year around Portland time it gets terribly quiet. I only get the SEL digest version once a day and last week there was actually a day without a single posting - the withdrawal symptoms were enough to drive a grown man to drink :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 8 15:07:57 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:07:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070908223849.02c1c600@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <003701c7f264$b775cab0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Hi Jerry. Here is a nice spur of the moment muffler. It does look like a bong and is very quiet, you would think it wasn't even running. Skip http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4443632&a=32451010&f= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > >>From: "Paul Maples" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >>Jerry great idea and a great drawing, thanks for sharing with all of us. >>Paul > > Thanks Paul, > It's good to see the list getting lively again. Every year around > Portland time it gets terribly quiet. > I only get the SEL digest version once a day and last week there > was actually a day without a single posting - the withdrawal symptoms were > enough to drive a grown man to drink :-) > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 > 4:40 PM > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 8 15:30:13 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 08:30:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills References: <410-22007968145127500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000501c7f267$d33bbf90$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Tim You should see it now, that is an old photo, man I spend all day looking for everything. Peter, Oz >I see one big problem with your shop Peter, it's too damn clean. A clean > shop is an unhealthy shop, how do you find anything with it put away. > It's > so much more fun to spend an hour looking for something in a pile of crap > on the bench than to simply go over to the tool box and take it out don't > yeah think? > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Peter Lowe >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 9/8/2007 7:23:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Benchtop Mills >> >> Hi Paul >> >> I have a Mill / Drill great for what I want, if I did serious work I > would >> get a Bridgeport like Reg has. >> Look at the last photo on my workshop site. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> > Paul Maples wrote: >> > >> >>Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need > a >> >>mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going > to >> >>use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you >> >>recommend. >> >> >> >>Paul >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>SEL mailing list >> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 > 4:40 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 8 15:36:41 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <003701c7f264$b775cab0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Skip,, Get real here,,,, You can NOT compare the exhaust sound of a Maytag Twin with Jerry's Single. It is a completely different animal. I would like to hear the sound of a single with a can like that for a muffler. I am considering using an old brass fire extinguisher for a Maytag single exhaust. I want to hear what it will sound like. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Skip Cleveland wrote: Hi Jerry. Here is a nice spur of the moment muffler. It does look like a bong and is very quiet, you would think it wasn't even running. Skip http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4443632&a=32451010&f= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > >>From: "Paul Maples" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >>Jerry great idea and a great drawing, thanks for sharing with all of us. >>Paul > > Thanks Paul, > It's good to see the list getting lively again. Every year around > Portland time it gets terribly quiet. > I only get the SEL digest version once a day and last week there > was actually a day without a single posting - the withdrawal symptoms were > enough to drive a grown man to drink :-) > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 > 4:40 PM > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 8 16:42:05 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 19:42:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Alan. There is no sound at all, it sounds like an electric motor. Believe it or nuts, Betty liked the sound of a Maytag single. I liked to died. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > Skip,, Get real here,,,, > You can NOT compare the exhaust sound of a Maytag Twin with Jerry's > Single. > It is a completely different animal. I would like to hear the sound of a > single with a can like that for a muffler. > > I am considering using an old brass fire extinguisher for a Maytag single > exhaust. I want to hear what it will sound like. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > Skip Cleveland wrote: Hi Jerry. > Here is a nice spur of the moment muffler. It does look like a bong and is > very quiet, you would think it wasn't even running. > > Skip > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4443632&a=32451010&f= > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Evans" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > > >> >>>From: "Paul Maples" > >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> >>>Jerry great idea and a great drawing, thanks for sharing with all of us. >>>Paul >> >> Thanks Paul, >> It's good to see the list getting lively again. Every year around >> Portland time it gets terribly quiet. >> I only get the SEL digest version once a day and last week there >> was actually a day without a single posting - the withdrawal symptoms >> were >> enough to drive a grown man to drink :-) >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >> See: >> www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm >> or learn how to finish off your plates >> www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 >> 4:40 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 > 4:40 PM > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 8 17:37:37 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <771600.65662.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Skip, That has nothing to do with Jerry's single though. 8>)) I know how quiet a twin can run. I also understand what you wrote about the single,,,, I spent a couple years at shows with my Shotgun Maytag single cracking and driving me NUTS. Gee,,,, I wonder how that gun got broke ???? 8>)) Next year I will be running a Maytag washer at shows and I think the exhaust of that single will sound better in a nice hollow fire extinguisher. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Skip Cleveland wrote: Alan. There is no sound at all, it sounds like an electric motor. Believe it or nuts, Betty liked the sound of a Maytag single. I liked to died. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! > Skip,, Get real here,,,, > You can NOT compare the exhaust sound of a Maytag Twin with Jerry's > Single. > It is a completely different animal. I would like to hear the sound of a > single with a can like that for a muffler. > > I am considering using an old brass fire extinguisher for a Maytag single > exhaust. I want to hear what it will sound like. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > Skip Cleveland wrote: Hi Jerry. > Here is a nice spur of the moment muffler. It does look like a bong and is > very quiet, you would think it wasn't even running. > > Skip > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4443632&a=32451010&f= > > --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Sep 8 17:44:19 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:44:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: Thing about Maytag singles' fuel consumption is, it's the same all the time, under load or not. It's always passing enough through for full output. It just burns a greater or lesser percentage of it as called for by the power demand. Wasn't one of Fred's better ideas. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 8 18:01:05 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 21:01:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: > Wasn't one of Fred's better ideas. > John Culp Fred had NO good ideas! Dave From cwja at telus.net Sat Sep 8 22:01:34 2007 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 23:01:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MacLeod Engine In-Reply-To: <090820071026.3688.46E278C60009780700000E68219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <090820071026.3688.46E278C60009780700000E68219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <46E37E2E.9040909@telus.net> Hi Curt I'll work on taking some pictures tomorrow and send them off. I did go to an auction today and took the following picture of the item I believe I need and I suspect I can fabricate a rough but usable replacement. I just hope that what I have found today is the right item. I get back to you soon. cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: >Jeff if your engine looks like my Nelson Bros. 1 3/4hp Little Jumbo then I >might beable to help you. Send me a pic of your engine and close up of the >concerned areas. >Curt Andree >McConnell, Ill. > > >---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- >From: Mark Shulaw >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] MacLeod Engine >Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 03:22:04 +0000 > > > >>You mean a part like this that just sold on Ebay? Item number: >>120149206859 Mark >> >> >>At 05:43 PM 9/7/07, you wrote: >> >> >>>I need to get some information about a 1 3/4 hp MacLeod engine, serial >>>15083 with a Webster magneto / ignitor. Does anyone have a manual for >>>this engine or the equivalent of a Nelson Bros I think. I need to have a >>>picture or better yet the part that is the governor linkage that runs in >>>the groove on the crankshaft and controls the engine speed I believe by >>>holding the detent rod actuating the ignitor. Some help would really be >>>appreciated. >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Jeff Allen >>>Edmonton, Alberta, Canada >>> >>> >>Mark & Christine Shulaw >>454 Co. Rd. 33 >>Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> >>Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >>Parts lists available on request. >> >>Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >>No Sunday calls if possible. >>I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent >>them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and >>hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Jeff & Marja Allen at Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 9 02:16:37 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 05:16:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <20070908012900.SM01996@new.databak.co.za> <001e01c7f1b5$32676540$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <1189329397.46e3b9f5a3486@webmail.city-net.com> Chuck, I'm the proud owner of that masterpiece. Cost me a TONNE in a SEL Charity Auction!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Chuck Balyeat : > > I made a muffler for one of them once > Anybody still have a photo of it ? > The Maytag Devil it was . From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Sep 9 04:17:22 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:17:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills References: <00be01c7f187$48cd6dd0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <007501c7f2d2$fef40f50$6bd24c0c@D48VHZ61> I have a really old South Bend and it works well, considering what it is. The one thing I would look for is to get as much Y axis travel as possible. I tend to forget every time I mount the vise and have to reposition it in the middle of a cut. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Benchtop Mills > Has anyone had any experience with the benchtop vertical mills? I need a > mill and was wondering what the gang would recommend. I am just going to > use it for engine work and that is about all. Let me know what you > recommend. > > Paul > From kimmell at verizon.net Sun Sep 9 08:23:17 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:23:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> At 08:01 PM 9/8/2007, you wrote: >Fred had NO good ideas! > Dave Sure he did... the idea to QUIT making his own motors and let Briggs & Stratton do it for him was a GREAT idea!!! 8-) -Tony From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Sep 9 08:40:10 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:40:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Tony, I'm not so sure about that as the production of gas washers went on a steady steep decline after the Briggs engines went on them. GRINNNN. So I wonder, grinnn. Mark At 11:23 AM 9/9/07, you wrote: >At 08:01 PM 9/8/2007, you wrote: > >Fred had NO good ideas! > > Dave > >Sure he did... the idea to QUIT making his own motors and let Briggs >& Stratton do it for him was a GREAT idea!!! 8-) > >-Tony > Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 09:37:51 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:37:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Portland_2007_picture_updates?= Message-ID: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> We have put up all of the Portland pictures now, plus another set that we took in Toledo on the Willis S Boyer Great Lakes freighter, and a few in Windsor after we strayed into Canada for a few hours on our last day. You can jump between the section now, there is a link to the Toledo/Windsor pictures from the Portland stuff and back again. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07Menu1.htm Henry Ford Museum and Auburn-Cord Museum left to do yet.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 9 09:55:02 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:55:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <06d301c7f302$2ab222b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Great pictures. The pictures on page #7 will not open up to the larger size, the other pictures work fine. Really nice pictures and the variety if great...many thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" ; Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates > We have put up all of the Portland pictures now, plus another set that > we took in Toledo on the Willis S Boyer Great Lakes freighter, and a > few in Windsor after we strayed into Canada for a few hours on our > last day. > > You can jump between the section now, there is a link to the > Toledo/Windsor pictures from the Portland stuff and back again. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07Menu1.htm > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 9 12:11:05 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] A Passing In-Reply-To: <200709091746.l89Hkjs5085792@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <140578.95125.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My very best canine friend ever was Pest. Pest was the result of a Registered female Collie that was supposed to be bred by another of her kind, but the neighbor's registered Irish Setter got there first. He was a beautiful dog with a heart full of love. i got him when I was 14 years old and he was a pest every single day until the day he died 16 1/2 years later. I remember that day very well. I pulled into the driveway after work and Pest didn't get up. He didn't even raise his head. That had never happened before !!!! The day before there was no hint that it was his last good day. I picked him up and went to the vet just three miles away. The vet checked him out and said his whole body was shutting down. It was just his time to go and he was in no pain at all. I just took him home and sat with him for the next couple hours and he died asleep. What a sweet way to die, That is my dream too. Then there was my Mom's dog Spud. Spud was a German Shepard/Husky mutt. He was a big dog and a very nice feller. Mom was away and my sister was house setting when she called me and said there was something bad wrong with Spud. Right then I heard the most painful wailing I have ever heard. I grabbed the 410 pump shotgun and a box of slugs and headed over there. It sounded that bad. When I got there Spud was laying in a very contorted fashion and when he tried to move at all he wailed like that again and I could see it would be pure torture to move that dog. I talked softly to him while I loaded the gun then I put a slug through his brain and Spud's body straightened out, the goofiest smile came across his face, his tail went straight up and waved it's way back down and he was at peace. It really is hard to shoot such a good dog, but at the time it was the most merciful thing to do. As I write this I am thinking of our 14 year old German Shepard/Collie mix dog out in the other room that is slowing way down and I don't think she will be with us another year. She is named Kitty of all the stupid names, but she is the very best watch dog and at the same time she has always been wonderful with kids of any age. I really don't know how many dogs I can stand to lose, but there is always another one out there with years of love to give. Sorry this is so long, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Orrin Iseminger wrote: You are undoubtedly feeling very sad right now, Patrick. The best thing to do is to go right out and find another dog. Although you'll still miss Shannon a great deal, another one will soon work its way into your heart, helping to fill the void. Our old basset hound went to sleep one night and never woke up, again. Both Cathy and I were profoundly saddened; but, with the help of the Internet, within days we found another in a Humane Society shelter. He turned out to be the best dog, ever, to have joined our family. Good luck, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 3:12 AM To: Stationary Engine Mailing List; Stationary Engine ATIS List Subject: OT: A Passing For those of you who knew her. Shannon (my German Shepherd engine dog) passed away in her sleep yesterday aged 11. She will be missed. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 12:19:35 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:19:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates In-Reply-To: <06d301c7f302$2ab222b0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> <06d301c7f302$2ab222b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6f6025160709091219l11b8da94j8e88b5ee90d677f4@mail.gmail.com> On 09/09/2007, Paul Maples wrote: > Great pictures. The pictures on page #7 will not open up to the larger size, > the other pictures work fine. > > Really nice pictures and the variety if great...many thanks. > > Paul Try now, Paul, they should be all there. Looks like we sent all the thumbnails and main pictures over but didn't send the HTML pages for that series. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 9 14:26:13 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:26:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com><06d301c7f302$2ab222b0$240110ac@FAMILY> <6f6025160709091219l11b8da94j8e88b5ee90d677f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <075601c7f328$0d6a2510$240110ac@FAMILY> Working Great now Peter, thanks. These are some really nice pictures and since I did not get to go to Portland this year they allow me to get to see and enjoy the show. I really appreciate you posting them for all of us. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates > On 09/09/2007, Paul Maples wrote: >> Great pictures. The pictures on page #7 will not open up to the larger >> size, >> the other pictures work fine. >> >> Really nice pictures and the variety if great...many thanks. >> >> Paul > > Try now, Paul, they should be all there. Looks like we sent all the > thumbnails and main pictures over but didn't send the HTML pages for > that series. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Sep 9 15:29:09 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:29:09 +0800 Subject: [SEL] A Passing References: <140578.95125.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c7f330$dc14d100$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> It's what you need to do Alan ,talk about it .I just went through it as well ,my feisty little Jack Russell ,Chester who went down fighting to the last ,he bit the vet . They are with us for a relatively short time but they are great mates while they are here......next one on order now ,a Manchester Terrier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Passing > My very best canine friend ever was Pest. > Pest was the result of a Registered female Collie that was supposed to be > bred by another of her kind, but the neighbor's registered Irish Setter > got there first. > > He was a beautiful dog with a heart full of love. i got him when I was 14 > years old and he was a pest every single day until the day he died 16 1/2 > years later. > I remember that day very well. > I pulled into the driveway after work and Pest didn't get up. > He didn't even raise his head. > That had never happened before !!!! > The day before there was no hint that it was his last good day. > I picked him up and went to the vet just three miles away. > The vet checked him out and said his whole body was shutting down. It was > just his time to go and he was in no pain at all. I just took him home and > sat with him for the next couple hours and he died asleep. > What a sweet way to die, That is my dream too. > > Then there was my Mom's dog Spud. Spud was a German Shepard/Husky mutt. > He was a big dog and a very nice feller. > Mom was away and my sister was house setting when she called me and said > there was something bad wrong with Spud. Right then I heard the most > painful wailing I have ever heard. I grabbed the 410 pump shotgun and a > box of slugs and headed over there. It sounded that bad. > When I got there Spud was laying in a very contorted fashion and when he > tried to move at all he wailed like that again and I could see it would be > pure torture to move that dog. I talked softly to him while I loaded the > gun then I put a slug through his brain and Spud's body straightened out, > the goofiest smile came across his face, his tail went straight up and > waved it's way back down and he was at peace. > > It really is hard to shoot such a good dog, but at the time it was the > most merciful thing to do. > > As I write this I am thinking of our 14 year old German Shepard/Collie mix > dog out in the other room that is slowing way down and I don't think she > will be with us another year. She is named Kitty of all the stupid names, > but she is the very best watch dog and at the same time she has always > been wonderful with kids of any age. > > I really don't know how many dogs I can stand to lose, but there is always > another one out there with years of love to give. > > Sorry this is so long, > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > Orrin Iseminger wrote: You are undoubtedly feeling > very sad right now, Patrick. The best thing to > do is to go right out and find another dog. Although you'll still miss > Shannon a great deal, another one will soon work its way into your heart, > helping to fill the void. > > Our old basset hound went to sleep one night and never woke up, again. > Both > Cathy and I were profoundly saddened; but, with the help of the Internet, > within days we found another in a Humane Society shelter. He turned out > to > be the best dog, ever, to have joined our family. > > Good luck, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 3:12 AM > To: Stationary Engine Mailing List; Stationary Engine ATIS List > Subject: OT: A Passing > > For those of you who knew her. > Shannon (my German Shepherd engine dog) passed away in her sleep yesterday > aged 11. She will be missed. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Sep 10 01:20:58 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:20:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Couple questions References: <307b9fdfd49b1f084c5100cdeb875c14@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Thanks guys..will give Ray a call. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Couple questions > > Does anyone build small IHC "M" carts w/wheels? > > Raymond Scholl (I think that's how he spells it) in Sugar Grove, NC is > who I got mine from. Very well made. Not cheap, but very nice. > Advertised in GEM at the time. I was close enough to drive over and > pick it up. It's made of good quality wood. He uses Schedule 80 pipe > for axles, the bolsters and cart hardware are good, it's got proper > bolts, and the wheels are very good quality cast iron. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Sep 10 10:42:58 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:42:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T.Re: A Passing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070910193435.00a9db48@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:11:05 -0700 (PDT) >From: Alan Bowen >Subject: Re: [SEL] A Passing > > >My very best canine friend ever was Pest. >Then there was my Mom's dog Spud. >Alan Bowen Hi Alan, I just love your dogs names. Mine was registered with the name "Kaz-a-Nova Furrari of Black Knight" (Kaz for short) but we all just called him "Brat" 'cos that's what he was. (I think that you guys have something that you eat called "brats" but here it refers to a naughty child - cheeky - mischievous, teasing but loveable.) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Sep 10 10:53:51 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:53:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Re: A Passing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709101958843.SM01772@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 10/09/2007, you wrote: >Orrin Iseminger wrote: You are undoubtedly feeling >very sad right now, Patrick. The best thing to >do is to go right out and find another dog. Although you'll still miss >Shannon a great deal, another one will soon work its way into your heart, >helping to fill the void. Orrin. Hi Orrin, Each to his own. I feel that a period of private mourning is in order. I just could not go out and get another to replace mine yet (I had to put it down 2 weeks ago) - call it sentimentality, stupidity or anything else. The love and respect I had for my dog precludes me from getting a replacement for quite some time. I think that I owe him this for all the love, respect and good times between us. My pets ( I have dogs and cats) are like children to me and if you lose a child you cannot just go out and get another. On another tack, I know that this is all "Off Topic" but its great to see that so many of you guys also love your pets. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Sep 10 14:09:37 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:09:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nelson Bros Engines Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910170817.02eee220@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Ya'll, Border Bob was telling me there was a fellow a few years back, maybe like 15 that he talked to at Portland who was compiling history on Nelson Bros. engines. Unfortunately he does not remember who it was. Its just been too long. Does anyone know of someone who was or is doing this? Did he or anyone get a good history of the engines published? Bob's, Jeff's and my engine has gotten my interest up on them so I was wondering. Might as well try to learn something new. Thanks, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From kimmell at verizon.net Mon Sep 10 15:16:38 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:16:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> At 10:40 AM 9/9/2007, you wrote: >Hi Tony, I'm not so sure about that as the production of gas washers went >on a steady steep decline after the Briggs engines went on them. >GRINNNN. So I wonder, grinnn. Mark Mark, Fred was about 30 years too late with his "good idea". By the time he saw the light, everyone else had as well and had gotten the farm electrified! But, if it weren't for rural electrification, we wouldn't have all these wonderful little smoke bombs laying around to play with. They have long ago been separated from their washers so grampy could put that swell little electric motor on there. It was great, after-all you don't have to kick and kick and kick and kick to get those electric motors to go!! 8-) From George_Best at adp.com Mon Sep 10 15:33:26 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:33:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] I'm back again Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> It's been quite awhile since I was last on SEL, so thought I'd check back and see how things are going. Since I've been gone, I've kept busy including leading a small engine tour to Europe the end of May. Bought a couple engines this weekend, so if there are any Bovaird & Seyfang (vertical aircooled type) experts here I'd like to hear from them. Also picked up a 2hp New Holland in real nice shape. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 15:42:39 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag steals the show !! In-Reply-To: <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <354072.92156.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, And all ya gotta do is run one of those Maytags at a good sized show and lots of older men will stop by and tell you what they did with the Maytag engine off their mom's washer. Most it seems went on go-carts,,,,, Others pumped water for critters or were attached to generators to charge batteries. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Tony & Jackie wrote: At 10:40 AM 9/9/2007, you wrote: >Hi Tony, I'm not so sure about that as the production of gas washers went >on a steady steep decline after the Briggs engines went on them. >GRINNNN. So I wonder, grinnn. Mark Mark, Fred was about 30 years too late with his "good idea". By the time he saw the light, everyone else had as well and had gotten the farm electrified! But, if it weren't for rural electrification, we wouldn't have all these wonderful little smoke bombs laying around to play with. They have long ago been separated from their washers so grampy could put that swell little electric motor on there. It was great, after-all you don't have to kick and kick and kick and kick to get those electric motors to go!! 8-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Sep 10 15:44:28 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:44:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. To all my Dog Lover Friends Message-ID: <20070910.154429.1148.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> If you love dogs, this will bring a big simile . http://www.intheory.tv/?p=72 From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 10 15:49:11 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:49:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB><0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000c01c7f3fc$d960b3d0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Mark Don't let those devil worshipers upset you mate, my cousin came to stay last weekend and I took him out to the shed. I was looking around for an engine that had fuel in it to start one for him. I shook the Maytag 72 twin and found that there was about 3/4" of old fuel still in there. Now this engine has not been started for well over twelve months and that fuel was stale, I started second push from my hand, not kicked, as it sits high on a stand. The reason it took two kicks was I forgot to open the air valve first. It ran the smokiest it had ever run as I guess the gas had evaporated a little leaving a higher concentration of oil. I normally run it at 40:1 and have since 1999. I then gave it a drink of fresh fuel and it purrrred like a kitten with just a whisper of that tell tale smoke. This is the engine/motor I bought off our big buddy Leroy Clarke at Portland 1999. Ahhh, love that two stroke smell, if it was not smoking you would not know it was running amongst all those loud H&M one lungers ;-))) Peter, Oz > > Mark, > Fred was about 30 years too late with his "good idea". By the time > he saw the light, everyone else had as well and had gotten the farm > electrified! > > But, if it weren't for rural electrification, we wouldn't have all > these wonderful little smoke bombs laying around to play with. They > have long ago been separated from their washers so grampy could put > that swell little electric motor on there. It was great, after-all > you don't have to kick and kick and kick and kick to get those > electric motors to go!! 8-) From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Sep 10 18:35:42 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:35:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Re: A Passing Message-ID: <20070910.215510.672.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jerry, Sorry to hear about your dog. I had to put mine down in April. She was 16 - Deaf - 80% Blind - Legs were getting weak - and she started peeing in the house. I got her when she was a mature puppy. We had a good life together. There is a pic of her on my site. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Sep 10 21:23:54 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:23:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <000c01c7f3fc$d960b3d0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <000c01c7f3fc$d960b3d0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Ahh I never get upset I just know they're jelous, GRINNN. Its all in good fun. It really is an odd thing about the oil mixtures. I've seen fellows running 40-1 like you and get away with it then I've seen fellows running 30-1 bugger their engine up. There just does not seem to be any rhyme nor reason to it. Very seldom if ever does anyone have troubles with 16-1 or 20-1 Theres just too many variables to take into consideration. Like wear, or lack there of, Type of oil used, And then the amount the air cap is open or closed, Just to name a few. I know I sell pistons every year to fellows who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable to damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not worth the risk to run them lean. TTYL, Mark At 06:49 PM 9/10/07, you wrote: >Hi Mark >Don't let those devil worshipers upset you mate, my cousin came to stay last >weekend and I took him out to the shed. I was looking around for an engine >that had fuel in it to start one for him. I shook the Maytag 72 twin and >found that there was about 3/4" of old fuel still in there. Now this engine >has not been started for well over twelve months and that fuel was stale, I >started second push from my hand, not kicked, as it sits high on a stand. >The reason it took two kicks was I forgot to open the air valve first. It >ran the smokiest it had ever run as I guess the gas had evaporated a little >leaving a higher concentration of oil. I normally run it at 40:1 and have >since 1999. I then gave it a drink of fresh fuel and it purrrred like a >kitten with just a whisper of that tell tale smoke. >This is the engine/motor I bought off our big buddy Leroy Clarke at Portland >1999. >Ahhh, love that two stroke smell, if it was not smoking you would not know >it was running amongst all those loud H&M one lungers ;-))) > >Peter, Oz > > > > > Mark, > > Fred was about 30 years too late with his "good idea". By the time > > he saw the light, everyone else had as well and had gotten the farm > > electrified! > > > > But, if it weren't for rural electrification, we wouldn't have all > > these wonderful little smoke bombs laying around to play with. They > > have long ago been separated from their washers so grampy could put > > that swell little electric motor on there. It was great, after-all > > you don't have to kick and kick and kick and kick to get those > > electric motors to go!! 8-) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Sep 11 04:57:24 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:57:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: I think they are running them lean to get rid of all the foul smelling smoke. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================= >From: Mark Shulaw > > I know I sell pistons every year to fellows >who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable to >damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not worth the >risk to run them lean. > TTYL, Mark > _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft? Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Sep 11 05:08:21 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:08:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: Message-ID: <001701c7f46c$72bb47b0$0601a8c0@altech> No, we run them lean because we can ;-)) there is no stopping them. Peter, Oz >I think they are running them lean to get rid of all the foul smelling > smoke. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > ================= > >>From: Mark Shulaw >> >> I know I sell pistons every year to fellows >>who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable to >>damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not worth >>the >>risk to run them lean. >> TTYL, Mark >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft? Office Live! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 11 06:56:21 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:56:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] I'm back again In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> Hey George, welcome back. Tell us more about your European tour and hopefully you have some photos to share. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Best, George wrote: > It's been quite awhile since I was last on SEL, so thought I'd check > back and see how things are going. > > Since I've been gone, I've kept busy including leading a small engine > tour to Europe the end of May. > > Bought a couple engines this weekend, so if there are any Bovaird & > Seyfang (vertical aircooled type) experts here I'd like to hear from > them. > > Also picked up a 2hp New Holland in real nice shape. > > George > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Sep 11 06:54:45 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:54:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> Yes I understand that. The risk to no longer made original parts to have a little bit less smoke is still to me not worth it. Smoke is just a part of Maytaging. And from what I've experianced if an engine is set up properly and the internals of the engine are up to anywhere near snuff and the proper oil is used at the right mix ratio the smoke is minimal with little risk to a finite number of Expensive original parts left. Lets not forget that by experimenting with oils and mixtures we are also putting rods, rings, crankshafts and mainbearings at risk too. I've just seen the internals of so many engines ruined due to improper oil or the lack there of thats its not even funny. Remember I see more then the average number of engines and parts compared to the average collector. So I see a wider range of problems then the average bear. I am repairing on average 50 plus carburetors and ignition plates a year just from whats mailed to me at home for repair. And even more at shows. And the same can be said for seeing engines tore down and the troubles inside. JEES what am I doing here I just realised that I'm loosing money by recomending proper mixtures and the right oils so forget everything I've said in the past, run em 40-1 / 60-1 heck try 4000-1 mix that Dave recomends, lets see how long they run. Heck I hear that vegetable oil works well, Even used Veg oil lfrom McDonalds lets all try that. Then the smoke will smell like fries. GRINNNNN, NOT!! Happy Tagging all. Mark PS: For anyone in the area there is a nice show at Wellington, Ohio this weekend. Its called Lagrange Engine Club Show. See ya there, Mark At 07:57 AM 9/11/07, you wrote: >I think they are running them lean to get rid of all the foul smelling smoke. > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > >================= >>From: Mark Shulaw >> >> I know I sell pistons every year to fellows >>who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable to >>damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not worth the >>risk to run them lean. >> TTYL, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 11 07:56:33 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:56:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] European tour In-Reply-To: <46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Curt, Last year a couple people asked me if I'd consider leading a engine tour after they had heard about my two prior trips to visit collectors and shows in Europe. Harry Terpstra and I talked about it some and last winter decided we would try a small group and see how it went. We decided we could take 4 people with us, which would make us a group of 6 and fit comfortably in a 9 passenger van. During the Spring I routed out a 10 day tour which included the Neunen engine show and some of the best collections that we had previously visited in Holland, Germany, Switzerland, and Belgium. We also located some collections to visit that Harry and I had not been to previously. The four collectors that went with me were all from the west coast. Wayne Thackery, Lauren Langdon, Buzz Stetler, and Les Layton. Tommy Turner was originally one of the original four, but was unable to commit to going or not and gave up his slot to Les. During the 10 days, we spent part of 3 days at the Nuenen show which I consider to be the best engine show there is. It is an engine only show and I think they had around 700 engines. While the Portland show is certainly bigger, you don't see slide valves and other early and rare engines like you do at Neunen. Besides the engine show we averaged around 2 collections each day. These were basically all private collections and we only visited one public museum (the N. A. Otto birthplace). The collectors we visited all have very nice collections of what I consider to be high quality and rare engines. Meaning we saw a lot of sideshaft engines and a fair number of slide valve engines. This was very much a Hell on Wheels Tour! Most mornings we started out early, drove and visited collectors, had a late dinner, got to sleep around midnight. Then did the same the next day. I think we saw something like 21 or 22 collections, attended one show, had a private tour of a 350 year old brewery in Germany (which included pizza and all the beer we wanted to drink!), stopped to view the Rhein Falls, visited the red light district in Amsterdam (Wendel's tour probably doesn't do that ;-) ). This year I digitally video taped the Neunen show plus most of the collections we visited. I've been working on editing down the tapes to a reasonable amount of time to put on a DVD. At some point I'll probably offer this DVD for a low price. George Ps.. There are currently no plans of offering another tour (although I'm known to be impulsive and change my mind). I think part of the reason is that this tour was fantastic and better than originally planed, so it would be impossible to duplicate again. Besides I think we'd do some things different next time as well. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] I'm back again Hey George, welcome back. Tell us more about your European tour and hopefully you have some photos to share. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 09:08:46 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:08:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] European tour References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <004f01c7f48e$08c59b90$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> (Wendel's tour > probably doesn't do that ;-) ). AHahahahahaha !! ROTF . . . . . . . Welcome back George ! Chuck . From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 09:15:33 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:15:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Sunny, humid , and abandoned http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07011.htm From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 11 09:55:32 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:55:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bovaird & Seyfang aircooled vertical In-Reply-To: <004f01c7f48e$08c59b90$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <004f01c7f48e$08c59b90$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904706101@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I just bought a B&S hot tube engine like in the BYB/BRB page 62 upper right corner. This is my first hot tube engine, but luckily I know a few engine guys with hot tube experience that live only a couple miles from my place. So hopefully in a couple weeks (I'm busy this weekend) I can get them over and we'll try to run it. Unfortunately my engine is missing the tag so I don't know the serial number and haven't seen a number stamped on the engine any where. If anyone has photos or information on this type of engine I'd sure appreciate getting a copy. I'm also guessing this is a 5hp engine and would like to know how to determine if that is correct or not. Thanks. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 11 10:15:04 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:15:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Archives? In-Reply-To: <008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> <008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047061CD@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Does SEL have a search for recent postings? I know that the old SEL list, when it was on ATIS, had a seachable archive, but thought that feature went away a long time ago. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 11 11:11:10 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:11:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Jerry's Dog Message-ID: "The love and respect I had for my dog precludes me from getting a replacement for quite some time. I think that I owe him this for all the love, respect and good times between us." Jerry, I wouldhave sworn I felt the same - until our dear to us dog died last April. There are many things easier to do without a dog than with one (we are full-time RV'ers, living in our rig). With that in mind, we decided we would do without a dog for a while. That lasted three weeks. I've always believed what our very fine veterinarian told us some years ago - that if you have been good to your pet, she will send you another when she thinks you are ready. Maybe it was exactly because we had such good times and shared so much with our dog that it happened, but three weeks of no dog went by very, very slowly. Sure enough, Maggie's replacement, Kaia, came to us on May 9th. We feel very lucky to have her, and I truly believe she feels she's won the lottery. She was found living in a culvert, taking care of five pups that were not hers. Now the pups have homes, she has a home with people who care very much for her, and all the vet care, good food, and clean water she wants. In turn, we have a great little dog who is always on the alert for us. Don't close your mind automatically to another dog. When it happens, it will all be good. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft? Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 11 11:33:26 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:33:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates In-Reply-To: <008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> <008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <46E6DF76.8040201@imc-group.com> Chuck, Abandoned.......same as any other show day in the tractor area at Portland....... Curt Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Sunny, humid , and abandoned > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07011.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From kimmell at verizon.net Tue Sep 11 11:59:48 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:59:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> I'd run my old 60's Jacobsen mower on a 100:1 mix of Amsoil synthetic 2 stroke for 4-5 years and it never seemed to mind, so I tried it in a couple Maytags at 50:1. I've heard of people running Maytags on 100:1 Amsoil, but I'm not that brave. Besides, there's still hardly any smoke to speak of at 50:1 so why push it. -Tony At 08:54 AM 9/11/2007, you wrote: >Yes I understand that. The risk to no longer made original parts to have a >little bit less smoke is still to me not worth it. Smoke is just a part of >Maytaging. >And from what I've experianced if an engine is set up properly and the >internals of the engine are up to anywhere near snuff and the proper oil is >used at the right mix ratio the smoke is minimal with little risk to a >finite number of Expensive original parts left. Lets not forget that by >experimenting with oils and mixtures we are also putting rods, rings, >crankshafts and mainbearings at risk too. > I've just seen the internals of so many engines ruined due to improper >oil or the lack there of thats its not even funny. >Remember I see more then the average number of engines and parts compared >to the average collector. So I see a wider range of problems then the >average bear. I am repairing on average 50 plus carburetors and ignition >plates a year just from whats mailed to me at home for repair. And even >more at shows. And the same can be said for seeing engines tore down and >the troubles inside. > JEES what am I doing here I just realised that I'm loosing money by >recomending proper mixtures and the right oils so forget everything I've >said in the past, run em 40-1 / 60-1 heck try 4000-1 mix that Dave >recomends, lets see how long they run. Heck I hear that vegetable oil works >well, Even used Veg oil lfrom McDonalds lets all try that. Then the smoke >will smell like fries. GRINNNNN, NOT!! > Happy Tagging all. Mark > >PS: For anyone in the area there is a nice show at Wellington, Ohio this >weekend. Its called Lagrange Engine Club Show. See ya there, Mark > >At 07:57 AM 9/11/07, you wrote: > >I think they are running them lean to get rid of all the foul > smelling smoke. > > > >Luke Tonneberger > >Rockford, Michigan > >USA > > > >================= > >>From: Mark Shulaw > >> > >> I know I sell pistons every year to fellows > >>who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable to > >>damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not worth the > >>risk to run them lean. > >> TTYL, Mark > >Mark & Christine Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > >Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >Parts lists available on request. > >Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >No Sunday calls if possible. >I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent >them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and >hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 12:22:06 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:22:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates In-Reply-To: <46E6DF76.8040201@imc-group.com> References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com> <008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <46E6DF76.8040201@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160709111222r140a82edkf0ed28296af523fe@mail.gmail.com> On 11/09/2007, Curt wrote: > Chuck, > Abandoned.......same as any other show day in the tractor area at > Portland....... > Curt Just an observation on our part: This was our fourth Portland trip, and although the costs get higher every year, the combination of the show itself, meeting up with friends and the Charity Dinner and Auction all go to make it a worthwhile effort which we all enjoyed. Sheila and Rita enjoyed meeting up with the Evil One (who was his usual charming self!) and the other friends we met with, and both thoroughly enjoyed the three days. No complaints from any of us! The 40th Anniversary show didn't seem to have as many folks as the 2003 show, but it always has to be taken in context; which day?, what time of day? and so on. It certainly wasn't crowded this year, but bearing in mind the awful weather and the traffic problems on I75 in the days before the show, they did well to pull in what they did. The last day for us was the Friday, and the car park was almost full up when we got in about 11.30, so there was a lot more people there that day. We are making bookings for next year as soon as we can get the schedules available. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Sep 11 12:28:50 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:28:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <46E6EC72.3040400@scrtc.com> If you run a Maytag, make that baby SMOKE!! What other excitement are you going to get out of it? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I'd run my old 60's Jacobsen mower on a 100:1 mix of Amsoil synthetic >2 stroke for 4-5 years and it never seemed to mind, so I tried it in >a couple Maytags at 50:1. I've heard of people running Maytags on >100:1 Amsoil, but I'm not that brave. Besides, there's still hardly >any smoke to speak of at 50:1 so why push it. > >-Tony > > > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Sep 11 13:19:21 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:19:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <000c01c7f3fc$d960b3d0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: The thing about these modern synthetic two-stroke oils that recommend very lean mixtures is that those mixtures are for engines designed to run with them, that have rather better oil distribution to the moving parts, and commonly they also have needle bearings. They don't work so well in old Maytags. I've tried some synthetic oil a List member at Portland gave me at 70:1, I think, and quickly started hearing squeaking bearings. Went back to my 16:1 outboard oil and never had another problem. I like smoke, anyway. That's much of the fun of running a Maytag. It's the way it was originally done, and it's the way it's supposed to be. Why would you buy an old musket and try to figure out how to shoot it with smokeless powder? Same deal. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Sep 11 13:32:05 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:32:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <000c01c7f3fc$d960b3d0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <46E6FB45.6060209@scrtc.com> Like I said John: If you run a Maytag, make that baby SMOKE!! What other excitement are you going to get out of it? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >The thing about these modern synthetic two-stroke oils that recommend >very lean mixtures is that those mixtures are for engines designed to >run with them, that have rather better oil distribution to the moving >parts, and commonly they also have needle bearings. They don't work so >well in old Maytags. I've tried some synthetic oil a List member at >Portland gave me at 70:1, I think, and quickly started hearing >squeaking bearings. Went back to my 16:1 outboard oil and never had >another problem. I like smoke, anyway. That's much of the fun of >running a Maytag. It's the way it was originally done, and it's the way >it's supposed to be. Why would you buy an old musket and try to figure >out how to shoot it with smokeless powder? Same deal. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 11 14:12:40 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:12:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: References: <145953.8345.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c7f271$dd36f0a0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <0JO300KDHXFVJPSC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070909113824.02f00c00@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO600HBMB8UOONS@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <000c01c7f3fc$d960b3d0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <46E704C8.7040106@imc-group.com> John Culp wrote: > ....Why would you buy an old musket....? To use it to put a Maytag out of its' misery! Curt From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 14:18:54 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <46E6FB45.6060209@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <155095.45709.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, Tommy, You said that twice now,,,, So I will tell you. 8>)) I ran my Shotgun Maytag for two years and it was the funny looks and comments from spec-taters that made it fun. My "Shotgun" is a piece of aluminum tent pole painted black mounted to an early Mouser stock with a couple hand made brass bands. The "Shotgun" was mounted on a pipe stand so the end of the barrel was about seven feet in the air. I would have people walk straight up to the gun and tell me they heard that all the way across the grounds and they just HAD TO come see what it was. If you knew the Buckley show grounds,,,, You would know what he was talking about. A third year I couldn't do because that cracking gun was too much. This year I saw another guy with a wanna-be Shotgun Maytag at the Buckley show. It looked like a band saw had cut that stock out of a plank. It was laying on the ground and I never saw or heard the engine run. Next year my Maytag will be back, but it will be mounted under a washer and I will either use the reproduction ball muffler or run the exhaust into an old brass fire extinguisher. I also will have a twin there belted to an eight quart ice cream machine in an old Radio Rocket wagon from the 50s. I don't think I need to tell you why that will be exciting !!!! 8>))) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Like I said John: If you run a Maytag, make that baby SMOKE!! What other excitement are you going to get out of it? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 14:24:12 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Archives? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047061CD@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <777199.14529.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey George, Go right back to the page you used to sign back up. Then click of the link to SEL Archives. You also cold just hit the link at the bottom of this message the click on SEL Archives I like the way they are laid out. HTH Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan "Best, George" wrote: Does SEL have a search for recent postings? I know that the old SEL list, when it was on ATIS, had a seachable archive, but thought that feature went away a long time ago. --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 11 14:38:33 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:38:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Archives? In-Reply-To: <777199.14529.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047061CD@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <777199.14529.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047328A6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Thanks!! Guess I should have looked before posting. :-) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:24 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Archives? Hey George, Go right back to the page you used to sign back up. Then click of the link to SEL Archives. You also cold just hit the link at the bottom of this message the click on SEL Archives I like the way they are laid out. HTH Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Sep 11 15:07:48 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:07:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <155095.45709.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <155095.45709.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46E711B4.8020609@scrtc.com> Alan, Now thats the kind of Maytag I like to see! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alan Bowen wrote: >Yup, Tommy, >You said that twice now,,,, >So I will tell you. 8>)) > >I ran my Shotgun Maytag for two years and it was the funny looks and comments from spec-taters that made it fun. My "Shotgun" is a piece of aluminum tent pole painted black mounted to an early Mouser stock with a couple hand made brass bands. The "Shotgun" was mounted on a pipe stand so the end of the barrel was about seven feet in the air. I would have people walk straight up to the gun and tell me they heard that all the way across the grounds and they just HAD TO come see what it was. If you knew the Buckley show grounds,,,, You would know what he was talking about. >A third year I couldn't do because that cracking gun was too much. > >This year I saw another guy with a wanna-be Shotgun Maytag at the Buckley show. It looked like a band saw had cut that stock out of a plank. It was laying on the ground and I never saw or heard the engine run. > >Next year my Maytag will be back, but it will be mounted under a washer and I will either use the reproduction ball muffler or run the exhaust into an old brass fire extinguisher. I also will have a twin there belted to an eight quart ice cream machine in an old Radio Rocket wagon from the 50s. > >I don't think I need to tell you why that will be exciting !!!! 8>))) > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 11 15:18:52 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:18:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <155095.45709.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <011c01c7f4c1$c0707750$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> << I also will have a twin there belted to an eight quart ice cream machine in an old Radio Rocket wagon from the 50s. > > I don't think I need to tell you why that will be exciting !!!! 8>)))>> Oil flavored Ice cream! Hmmmm, Naah , never catch on!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! > Yup, Tommy, > You said that twice now,,,, > So I will tell you. 8>)) > > I ran my Shotgun Maytag for two years and it was the funny looks and > comments from spec-taters that made it fun. My "Shotgun" is a piece of > aluminum tent pole painted black mounted to an early Mouser stock with a > couple hand made brass bands. The "Shotgun" was mounted on a pipe stand so > the end of the barrel was about seven feet in the air. I would have > people walk straight up to the gun and tell me they heard that all the way > across the grounds and they just HAD TO come see what it was. If you > knew the Buckley show grounds,,,, You would know what he was talking > about. > A third year I couldn't do because that cracking gun was too much. > > This year I saw another guy with a wanna-be Shotgun Maytag at the Buckley > show. It looked like a band saw had cut that stock out of a plank. It was > laying on the ground and I never saw or heard the engine run. > > Next year my Maytag will be back, but it will be mounted under a washer > and I will either use the reproduction ball muffler or run the exhaust > into an old brass fire extinguisher.> > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 15:33:06 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:33:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates References: <6f6025160709090937o55f353c3h921eef91db99cf8@mail.gmail.com><008801c7f48e$fb8577b0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><46E6DF76.8040201@imc-group.com> <6f6025160709111222r140a82edkf0ed28296af523fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00d401c7f4c3$b9a66b80$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I was making the observation that tractorland was empty . You could have snapped that at dawn and a half while all the gummers were still in bed . But it is as I would I expect to see all day , only interupted by the occasional WHACK of a pecan off freshly rubbed carnuba* on Imron . I wanna thank you for taking the time , and it was considerable , to share all those photos . And as for the unkown and unclaimed , this one is a LUTZ and oohhh does it have a story to tell http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07217.htm Chuck * Painstakingly scraped from the leaves of the carnuba palm . From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 11 16:21:16 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:21:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <46E711B4.8020609@scrtc.com> References: <155095.45709.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46E711B4.8020609@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <960512D7-DC55-48E4-9198-8D98EB68A6C8@alltel.net> Wonder Alan got the noise out of it? Tis a MYSTERY! Dave On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Alan, > Now thats the kind of Maytag I like to see! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Alan Bowen wrote: > >> Yup, Tommy, >> You said that twice now,,,, >> So I will tell you. 8>)) >> >> I ran my Shotgun Maytag for two years and it was the funny looks >> and comments from spec-taters that made it fun. My "Shotgun" is a >> piece of aluminum tent pole painted black mounted to an early >> Mouser stock with a couple hand made brass bands. The "Shotgun" >> was mounted on a pipe stand so the end of the barrel was about >> seven feet in the air. I would have people walk straight up to >> the gun and tell me they heard that all the way across the grounds >> and they just HAD TO come see what it was. If you knew the >> Buckley show grounds,,,, You would know what he was talking about. >> A third year I couldn't do because that cracking gun was too much. >> >> This year I saw another guy with a wanna-be Shotgun Maytag at the >> Buckley show. It looked like a band saw had cut that stock out of >> a plank. It was laying on the ground and I never saw or heard the >> engine run. >> >> Next year my Maytag will be back, but it will be mounted under a >> washer and I will either use the reproduction ball muffler or run >> the exhaust into an old brass fire extinguisher. I also will have >> a twin there belted to an eight quart ice cream machine in an old >> Radio Rocket wagon from the 50s. >> >> I don't think I need to tell you why that will be exciting !!!! >> 8>))) >> >> Alan Bowen >> Williamsburg, Michigan >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanwh at iinet.net.au Tue Sep 11 16:14:58 2007 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:14:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corryong Rally In-Reply-To: <20070903115632.GSIP22867.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <090320071150.21719.46DBF4F2000B805D000054D7219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <20070903115632.GSIP22867.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002101c7f4c9$94824e40$6f01a8c0@main> http://alanwh.maclenet.com/Engines/corryong%2007/index.html Some pic from a rally held at Corryong on the weekend Alan Wheaton Wagga Wagga http://alanwh.maclenet.com/Engines/Index.html other engine shows From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 16:22:07 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:22:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <155095.45709.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <011c01c7f4c1$c0707750$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00dd01c7f4ca$9260b150$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > << I also will have a twin there belted to an eight quart ice cream > machine > in an old Radio Rocket wagon from the 50s. >> >> I don't think I need to tell you why that will be exciting !!!! 8>)))>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My fave was a single I bolted ontop of a big squirrel cage blower . The oil tainted breeze in the 100 degree shade was quite popular . From luke at apexbuildingsystems.com Tue Sep 11 16:58:54 2007 From: luke at apexbuildingsystems.com (Luke Franks) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:58:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corryong Rally In-Reply-To: <002101c7f4c9$94824e40$6f01a8c0@main> References: <090320071150.21719.46DBF4F2000B805D000054D7219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <20070903115632.GSIP22867.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002101c7f4c9$94824e40$6f01a8c0@main> Message-ID: <425B2DE2-6B60-4F61-8F8F-F77F1158C0DF@apexbuildingsystems.com> Thanks for the pictures Alan. Looks like a really nice site for a rally. I am looking forward to our Sydney Antique Machinery Club annual "Clarendon Classic" rally this coming weekend. Sounds like we will have a big turn out judging by the calls we have received so far. Luke Franks Kurrajong NSW Australia On 12/09/2007, at 9:14 AM, Alan wrote: > > http://alanwh.maclenet.com/Engines/corryong%2007/index.html > > Some pic from a rally held at Corryong on the weekend > > Alan Wheaton > Wagga Wagga > > http://alanwh.maclenet.com/Engines/Index.html > > other engine shows > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Sep 11 18:53:04 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:53:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2007 picture updates In-Reply-To: <00d401c7f4c3$b9a66b80$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <200709120153.l8C1rQ1A072877@mail-gw.fsr.net> Welllll. Please do tell the story. :-) Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:33 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Portland 2007 picture updates I was making the observation that tractorland was empty . You could have snapped that at dawn and a half while all the gummers were still in bed . But it is as I would I expect to see all day , only interupted by the occasional WHACK of a pecan off freshly rubbed carnuba* on Imron . I wanna thank you for taking the time , and it was considerable , to share all those photos . And as for the unkown and unclaimed , this one is a LUTZ and oohhh does it have a story to tell http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07217.htm Chuck * Painstakingly scraped from the leaves of the carnuba palm . From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Sep 11 20:12:30 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:12:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Tony, I've heard a lot of good talk about synthetics. I've just never been brave enough to try them. I wish I had the time and money to really put some diffferent oils thru the true test of a engine under load for gallons of fuel. To do like that fellow did a few years back just for the heck of it where he run 50 gallons of fuel thru a Maytag. But in this case to test in a controlled situation different oils and mixtures. But this is only something a corperation can afford to do. TTYL, Mark At 02:59 PM 9/11/07, you wrote: >I'd run my old 60's Jacobsen mower on a 100:1 mix of Amsoil synthetic >2 stroke for 4-5 years and it never seemed to mind, so I tried it in >a couple Maytags at 50:1. I've heard of people running Maytags on >100:1 Amsoil, but I'm not that brave. Besides, there's still hardly >any smoke to speak of at 50:1 so why push it. > >-Tony > > >At 08:54 AM 9/11/2007, you wrote: > >Yes I understand that. The risk to no longer made original parts to have a > >little bit less smoke is still to me not worth it. Smoke is just a part of > >Maytaging. > >And from what I've experianced if an engine is set up properly and the > >internals of the engine are up to anywhere near snuff and the proper oil is > >used at the right mix ratio the smoke is minimal with little risk to a > >finite number of Expensive original parts left. Lets not forget that by > >experimenting with oils and mixtures we are also putting rods, rings, > >crankshafts and mainbearings at risk too. > > I've just seen the internals of so many engines ruined due to improper > >oil or the lack there of thats its not even funny. > >Remember I see more then the average number of engines and parts compared > >to the average collector. So I see a wider range of problems then the > >average bear. I am repairing on average 50 plus carburetors and ignition > >plates a year just from whats mailed to me at home for repair. And even > >more at shows. And the same can be said for seeing engines tore down and > >the troubles inside. > > JEES what am I doing here I just realised that I'm loosing money by > >recomending proper mixtures and the right oils so forget everything I've > >said in the past, run em 40-1 / 60-1 heck try 4000-1 mix that Dave > >recomends, lets see how long they run. Heck I hear that vegetable oil works > >well, Even used Veg oil lfrom McDonalds lets all try that. Then the smoke > >will smell like fries. GRINNNNN, NOT!! > > Happy Tagging all. Mark > > > >PS: For anyone in the area there is a nice show at Wellington, Ohio this > >weekend. Its called Lagrange Engine Club Show. See ya there, Mark > > > >At 07:57 AM 9/11/07, you wrote: > > >I think they are running them lean to get rid of all the foul > > smelling smoke. > > > > > >Luke Tonneberger > > >Rockford, Michigan > > >USA > > > > > >================= > > >>From: Mark Shulaw > > >> > > >> I know I sell pistons every year to fellows > > >>who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable to > > >>damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not > worth the > > >>risk to run them lean. > > >> TTYL, Mark > > > >Mark & Christine Shulaw > >454 Co. Rd. 33 > >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > > >Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > >Parts lists available on request. > > > >Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > >No Sunday calls if possible. > >I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > >them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > >hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 11 21:03:03 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:03:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A Passing In-Reply-To: <20070909101128.MZPW11359.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20070912040250.UHOX5386.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Many thanks to all those who have expressed such kind words (both on and off list) and shared their memories of their beloved companions. It only reinforces what a great bunch of people engine people are. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 05:14:15 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! OT Amsoil In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <852645.54402.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amsoil is the BEST. Right now my 1995 Ford Aerostar is just a peppy as ever. 215,000 + miles and all but the first two years it has been lubed by Amsoil. Yes, It does cost about double when the oil is changed. The oil only gets changed once a year though. Figure out the saving there,,,, 8>)) Another option is never changing your oil,,,, A friend of mine went that route. He changes his filter twice a year and sends a sample of his oil to be analyzed once a year. That same Amsoil has been in his truck for 3 1/2 years now. For either of options use Amsoil oil filters. They are built to last longer. I will ask my up-link Amsoil distributor about that Maytag 50 to 1 idea. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Mark Shulaw wrote: Hi Tony, I've heard a lot of good talk about synthetics. I've just never been brave enough to try them. I wish I had the time and money to really put some diffferent oils thru the true test of a engine under load for gallons of fuel. To do like that fellow did a few years back just for the heck of it where he run 50 gallons of fuel thru a Maytag. But in this case to test in a controlled situation different oils and mixtures. But this is only something a corperation can afford to do. TTYL, Mark At 02:59 PM 9/11/07, you wrote: >I'd run my old 60's Jacobsen mower on a 100:1 mix of Amsoil synthetic >2 stroke for 4-5 years and it never seemed to mind, so I tried it in >a couple Maytags at 50:1. I've heard of people running Maytags on >100:1 Amsoil, but I'm not that brave. Besides, there's still hardly >any smoke to speak of at 50:1 so why push it. > >-Tony > --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 12 07:00:33 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:00:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] LUTZ engine References: <200709120153.l8C1rQ1A072877@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <002501c7f545$4a218dd0$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Welllll. Please do tell the story. > Orrin >> > And as for the unkown and unclaimed , this one is a LUTZ and oohhh does it > have a story to tell > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland07/Portland07217.htm Chuck Another SEL member worked on the restoration and recalled the specifics some time back , and he might pipe up again . In his stead I will say it was a mechanical genius inventor guy named Luttz cast the whole thing himself and built it from scratch to use in his workshop . And use it he did ...... for nearly 40 years , showing great wear in all components . " How cool is that ? " Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Sep 12 07:59:48 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:59:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nelson Bros Engines/ United connection?? Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070912103552.02efec70@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Ya'll, Border Bob and I have been working under the impression that what I have is a Nelson built engine. Model B . But it sure looks like the United on page 521 top right of the BYB. The main diff I can see from the pics is, mine uses a vert ignitor bolt pattern with an oval opening and no sub base. I'm wanting to kickstart this project now. Its 3 3/4" bore X 4"? stroke 18" flywheels. Any help is appreciated. The blurb page 521 says that they jobbered a lot of engines like the tag on my engines skid suggests. I'm off to Wellington for the weekend. TTya'll when I get back. Mark http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel1.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel2.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel3.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel4.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel6.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel7.jpg http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/nel8.jpg Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 12 08:16:03 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:16:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! Message-ID: <20070912.113242.640.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Alan & Tommy, I see you are talking about a Maytag Shotgun. I've had one at the shows for about 5 years. take a look on my site under My First Engine & Other Toys. All the way down there is a pic on my Maytag Shotgun. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 12 09:32:21 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:32:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't want to use a belt pulley on it. I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I find replacement crankshaft instead? What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the crankshaft. Press the extention piece in. Weld the seam. Then clean up the joint in the lathe. Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Sep 12 09:34:37 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:34:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nelson Bros Engines/ United connection?? Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070912121949.02ef4460@pop3.wcoil.com> I just looked at Teds Ignitor home page and the ignitor I have for this engine identifies it as Nelson and or Bluffton of 1910 vintage. so Nelson maybe sold engines to United??? Or what? The similarities between my Nelson and the United is so striking. Does anyone have a Nelson like what uses the ignitor pictured? Heres the ignitor shown on Teds page. Mark http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-nelson-vert-mount.jpg Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 12 11:53:44 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:53:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <46E835B8.4040409@imc-group.com> George, The vast majority of crankshafts are made of 4340 material. What you describe would work but perhaps is overly complicated. since you are only trying to accomplish crankshaft extension you aren't trying to get it so exact that it needs to line up dead true with another bearing for example. You want it straight enough to accommodate the flat belt pulley. Have you considered putting a full chamfer on the end of the crankshaft and on the end of the extending piece, and then clamping the two together using a good piece of angle iron. I'd have to look it up in the welding books but I think the proper preheat temp for 4340 is around 800? F. Then tack weld, continue preheat, and then work around as you fill the chamfer in until you are filled in. Another derivation would be to use a larger diameter piece steel for the extending piece. Also make it an inch or two longer than you will need. Chamfer on the end you will be welding and go ahead and add a center to the other end. Nest and clamp the crankshaft and extension as above to a piece of angle, but you'll have to add some shims under the crankshaft to match the diameter of the larger extension piece. Preheat and weld. Once cooled you can chuck and use the new center on the tail stock end. Then you can turn the diameter of the extension and the weld even with the rest of the crankshaft. A little hand filing and blending and you'll be the only one who knows the story the crankshaft could tell of the night Lorena Bobbitt got a hold of it. Curt * * Best, George wrote: > I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the > crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't > want to use a belt pulley on it. > > I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I > find replacement crankshaft instead? > > What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and > true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. > Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the > crankshaft. > Press the extention piece in. > Weld the seam. > Then clean up the joint in the lathe. > > Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 12 12:00:53 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:00:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: > Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? It would seem to depend on what you are going to attach to the "extended portion of the shaft and what speed you will be running it at. Dave From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 12:10:25 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <20070912.113242.640.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <285238.95875.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, Joe, That stock looks very nice, but a bit too new for me. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1144175528046489516oTGARd I haven't had mine set up since I've had a digital camera. How have you been able to tolerate that noise for five years? Do you run it all day? The Maytag single that I was using is so easy to start the last year I had the shotgun at Buckley anytime someone came by and wanted to see it fire I made then start the engine. It took a little coaxing for some of the gals, but at that time I would just tell them my 8 year old daughter can start it, just put your foot on that pedal and step down hard. Then I always told them to shut that racket off before you leave. 8>)) Lots of folks got to learn how easy it is to start and stop a Maytag. Kinda strange how that gun got damaged on the way home that year. 8>))))) Alan Bowen jlb94 at juno.com wrote: Hi Alan & Tommy, I see you are talking about a Maytag Shotgun. I've had one at the shows for about 5 years. take a look on my site under My First Engine & Other Toys. All the way down there is a pic on my Maytag Shotgun. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 12:36:16 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:36:16 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160709121236g1d8e7592l1454cdb61d26d9e1@mail.gmail.com> On 12/09/2007, Best, George wrote: > I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the > crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't > want to use a belt pulley on it. For some reason, the Ruston & Hornsby crankshafts seem overly wide, making our engine as wide as it is long, and there are two that I know of that have had the shafts cut shorter by up to 6" a side and faced off. Regarding extending it again, the popular way over here is to bore and tap the end of the crankshaft within a stepped hole and face to use as a register, then make up the piece accurately to screw into that thread and tighten up to the register face. Welding is an option, but if you loctite the thread and if it is made accurately, that will last as long as the engine. The R&H 1ZHR crankshaft is 2-5/8" diameter at the flywheel mountings. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 12 12:38:42 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:38:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475C4C6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Dave, It would be mostly for looks and I'd possibly put a pulley on it at some point but don't know that it would ever be belted up to anything. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:01 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? It would seem to depend on what you are going to attach to the "extended portion of the shaft and what speed you will be running it at. Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 12 13:18:03 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:18:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <46E835B8.4040409@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E835B8.4040409@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <46E8497B.4080207@imc-group.com> George, I'd need to correct the temperature range as I remembered incorrectly. 400 to 450?F is sufficient for 4340 material. Curt Curt wrote: > George, > The vast majority of crankshafts are made of 4340 material. What you > describe would work but perhaps is overly complicated. since you are > only trying to accomplish crankshaft extension you aren't trying to get > it so exact that it needs to line up dead true with another bearing for > example. You want it straight enough to accommodate the flat belt pulley. > Have you considered putting a full chamfer on the end of the crankshaft > and on the end of the extending piece, and then clamping the two > together using a good piece of angle iron. I'd have to look it up in the > welding books but I think the proper preheat temp for 4340 is around > 800? F. Then tack weld, continue preheat, and then work around as you > fill the chamfer in until you are filled in. > > Another derivation would be to use a larger diameter piece steel for the > extending piece. Also make it an inch or two longer than you will need. > Chamfer on the end you will be welding and go ahead and add a center to > the other end. Nest and clamp the crankshaft and extension as above to a > piece of angle, but you'll have to add some shims under the crankshaft > to match the diameter of the larger extension piece. Preheat and weld. > Once cooled you can chuck and use the new center on the tail stock end. > Then you can turn the diameter of the extension and the weld even with > the rest of the crankshaft. A little hand filing and blending and you'll > be the only one who knows the story the crankshaft could tell of the > night Lorena Bobbitt got a hold of it. > Curt > * > * > Best, George wrote: > >> I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the >> crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't >> want to use a belt pulley on it. >> >> I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I >> find replacement crankshaft instead? >> >> What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and >> true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. >> Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the >> crankshaft. >> Press the extention piece in. >> Weld the seam. >> Then clean up the joint in the lathe. >> >> Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Sep 12 14:14:11 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:14:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending Message-ID: <20070912.141412.904.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi George. Either the way you suggest of the recommendation of Peter Forbes would work well. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 12 15:05:06 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:05:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475C4C6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475C4C6@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, Then your "fix" is a good one! Dave On Sep 12, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Best, George wrote: > Dave, > > It would be mostly for looks and I'd possibly put a pulley on it at > some > point but don't know that it would ever be belted up to anything. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:01 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > > >> Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? > > It would seem to depend on what you are going to attach to the > "extended > portion of the shaft and what speed you will be running it at. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and > delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 12 15:06:32 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:06:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <46E8497B.4080207@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E835B8.4040409@imc-group.com> <46E8497B.4080207@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <2AE7FBF9-E8B5-436A-BFBD-F29BF2C77E20@alltel.net> Damn Curt, You are not usually that far off! Dave On Sep 12, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Curt wrote: > George, > I'd need to correct the temperature range as I remembered incorrectly. > 400 to 450?F is sufficient for 4340 material. > Curt > > Curt wrote: >> George, >> The vast majority of crankshafts are made of 4340 material. What you >> describe would work but perhaps is overly complicated. since you are >> only trying to accomplish crankshaft extension you aren't trying >> to get >> it so exact that it needs to line up dead true with another >> bearing for >> example. You want it straight enough to accommodate the flat belt >> pulley. >> Have you considered putting a full chamfer on the end of the >> crankshaft >> and on the end of the extending piece, and then clamping the two >> together using a good piece of angle iron. I'd have to look it up >> in the >> welding books but I think the proper preheat temp for 4340 is around >> 800? F. Then tack weld, continue preheat, and then work around as you >> fill the chamfer in until you are filled in. >> >> Another derivation would be to use a larger diameter piece steel >> for the >> extending piece. Also make it an inch or two longer than you will >> need. >> Chamfer on the end you will be welding and go ahead and add a >> center to >> the other end. Nest and clamp the crankshaft and extension as >> above to a >> piece of angle, but you'll have to add some shims under the >> crankshaft >> to match the diameter of the larger extension piece. Preheat and >> weld. >> Once cooled you can chuck and use the new center on the tail stock >> end. >> Then you can turn the diameter of the extension and the weld even >> with >> the rest of the crankshaft. A little hand filing and blending and >> you'll >> be the only one who knows the story the crankshaft could tell of the >> night Lorena Bobbitt got a hold of it. >> Curt >> * >> * >> Best, George wrote: >> >>> I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the >>> crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they >>> didn't >>> want to use a belt pulley on it. >>> >>> I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or >>> should I >>> find replacement crankshaft instead? >>> >>> What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe >>> and >>> true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. >>> Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the >>> crankshaft. >>> Press the extention piece in. >>> Weld the seam. >>> Then clean up the joint in the lathe. >>> >>> Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >>> the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>> confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >>> recipient or an authorized representative of the intended >>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this >>> communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>> communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail >>> and delete the message and any attachments from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 12 15:15:06 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:15:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <002201c7f58a$638a52d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> George ,some years ago a friend and I restored a 1904 portable steam engine http://www.steamengine.com.au/steam/restore/arthur/index.html The original owners had gas axed the crankshaft and dropped the large flywheel so that they could drag it through the bush to create a track. We shrunk an extension on to the shaft......using dry ice and heat .Still running and you can not see where this repair occurred. It may be a bit ''over the top'' for your application but it is one way of doing it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:32 AM Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the > crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't > want to use a belt pulley on it. > > I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I > find replacement crankshaft instead? > > What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and > true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. > Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the > crankshaft. > Press the extention piece in. > Weld the seam. > Then clean up the joint in the lathe. > > Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 15:27:56 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <864923.69769.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure,,, Then if the next guy is like me he will see that pulley and start looking for what he can run with that engine. Of course if your welding job is done right with the addition of that internal pin that should be a pretty strong shaft extension. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan David Rotigel wrote: George, Then your "fix" is a good one! Dave On Sep 12, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Best, George wrote: > Dave, > > It would be mostly for looks and I'd possibly put a pulley on it at > some > point but don't know that it would ever be belted up to anything. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:01 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > > >> Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? > > It would seem to depend on what you are going to attach to the > "extended > portion of the shaft and what speed you will be running it at. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. 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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 12 16:17:30 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:17:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending References: <864923.69769.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013401c7f593$192a03d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Another approach is to mount the pulley on the flywheel spokes. (As a lot of makers did) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > Sure,,, > Then if the next guy is like me he will see that pulley and start looking > for what he can run with that engine. > Of course if your welding job is done right with the addition of that > internal pin that should be a pretty strong shaft extension. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > David Rotigel wrote: > George, Then your "fix" is a good one! > Dave > > > On Sep 12, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Best, George wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> It would be mostly for looks and I'd possibly put a pulley on it at >> some >> point but don't know that it would ever be belted up to anything. >> >> George >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:01 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending >> >> >>> Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? >> >> It would seem to depend on what you are going to attach to the >> "extended >> portion of the shaft and what speed you will be running it at. >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >> the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >> confidential. 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Autos. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 16:29:57 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:29:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20070912233000.4059F9E7C6B@mx-in01.iad.mail-abuse.org> Hi George, what brand engine is it? I take it, that there is no flywheel with key and keyway to complicate matters. Cya @ Woodland Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:32 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't want to use a belt pulley on it. I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I find replacement crankshaft instead? What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the crankshaft. Press the extention piece in. Weld the seam. Then clean up the joint in the lathe. Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Sep 12 17:10:40 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:10:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <20070912.113242.640.1.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20070912.113242.640.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <46E88000.3050406@scrtc.com> Joe, I like how you've got the shotgun mounted on the stand at about shoulder (shooting) height. I've seen a few other shotgun maytags with the gun almost on the ground. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Hi Alan & Tommy, > >I see you are talking about a Maytag Shotgun. > >I've had one at the shows for about 5 years. > >take a look on my site under My First Engine & Other Toys. > >All the way down there is a pic on my Maytag Shotgun. > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything > (_o_) except how to refold it". >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Sep 12 17:12:58 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:12:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com> George, Did they cut it off so that the flywheel won't fit back on the shaft? If not, is there a reason you want it longer (to mount a pulley?). The reason I ask is that many engine builders didn't extend the c/s much beyond the hubs. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Best, George wrote: >I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the >crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't >want to use a belt pulley on it. > >I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I >find replacement crankshaft instead? > >What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and >true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. >Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the >crankshaft. >Press the extention piece in. >Weld the seam. >Then clean up the joint in the lathe. > >Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? > > >This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 12 17:27:14 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:27:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <30561D14-9559-4671-A7B8-E68ECCE96659@alltel.net> My doG Tommy, even I will not respond to your question! Dave On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > George, > is there a reason you want it longer? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Best, George wrote: > >> I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the >> crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they >> didn't >> want to use a belt pulley on it. >> >> I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I >> find replacement crankshaft instead? >> >> What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and >> true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. >> Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the >> crankshaft. >> Press the extention piece in. >> Weld the seam. >> Then clean up the joint in the lathe. >> >> Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >> the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >> confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >> recipient or an authorized representative of the intended >> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >> communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and >> delete the message and any attachments from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Sep 12 17:40:18 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:40:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <30561D14-9559-4671-A7B8-E68ECCE96659@alltel.net> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com> <30561D14-9559-4671-A7B8-E68ECCE96659@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46E886F2.8060107@scrtc.com> Well, maybe to get rid of the nickname "stumpy"?. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY David Rotigel wrote: >My doG Tommy, even I will not respond to your question! > Dave > >On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>George, >> is there a reason you want it longer? >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>Best, George wrote: >> >> >> >>>I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the >>>crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they >>>didn't >>>want to use a belt pulley on it. >>> >>>I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I >>>find replacement crankshaft instead? >>> >>>What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and >>>true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. >>>Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the >>>crankshaft. >>>Press the extention piece in. >>>Weld the seam. >>>Then clean up the joint in the lathe. >>> >>>Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? >>> >>> >>>This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >>>the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>>confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >>>recipient or an authorized representative of the intended >>>recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this >>>communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>>communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and >>>delete the message and any attachments from your system. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 10:58:52 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:58:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20070913015258.3B3F5392452@mx-in04.iad.mail-abuse.org> George, how common is the engine? Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:32 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't want to use a belt pulley on it. I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I find replacement crankshaft instead? What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the crankshaft. Press the extention piece in. Weld the seam. Then clean up the joint in the lathe. Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Wed Sep 12 19:06:49 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:06:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Mark, I've run the Amsoil in at least 7-8 singles and a couple twins and have never had a problem with it. One of the singles I have had for at least 10 years now, and have been running it on Amsoil for the last 5. No squeaky bearings. I had the main bearing housing off of it a couple months ago and the bearings look fine. I know there are a lot of people who won't give Amsoil the time of day, but it is some pretty amazing stuff. A friend now has 65,000 miles on his last oil change with Amsoil. Oil analysis said it's still good to go! -Tony At 10:12 PM 9/11/2007, you wrote: >Hi Tony, > I've heard a lot of good talk about synthetics. I've just never been >brave enough to try them. I wish I had the time and money to really put >some diffferent oils thru the true test of a engine under load for gallons >of fuel. To do like that fellow did a few years back just for the heck of >it where he run 50 gallons of fuel thru a Maytag. But in this case to >test in a controlled situation different oils and mixtures. But this is >only something a corperation can afford to do. > TTYL, Mark From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 12 19:08:48 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:08:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <006301c7f5ab$06553a50$92d14c0c@D48VHZ61> I was thinking about that same thing. Wasn't there a write-up in GEM back in the late '80's on that "experiment". Seems gas cost less than a buck back then. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! > Hi Tony, > I've heard a lot of good talk about synthetics. I've just never been > brave enough to try them. I wish I had the time and money to really put > some diffferent oils thru the true test of a engine under load for gallons > of fuel. To do like that fellow did a few years back just for the heck of > it where he run 50 gallons of fuel thru a Maytag. But in this case to > test in a controlled situation different oils and mixtures. But this is > only something a corperation can afford to do. > TTYL, Mark > > At 02:59 PM 9/11/07, you wrote: >>I'd run my old 60's Jacobsen mower on a 100:1 mix of Amsoil synthetic >>2 stroke for 4-5 years and it never seemed to mind, so I tried it in >>a couple Maytags at 50:1. I've heard of people running Maytags on >>100:1 Amsoil, but I'm not that brave. Besides, there's still hardly >>any smoke to speak of at 50:1 so why push it. >> >>-Tony >> >> >>At 08:54 AM 9/11/2007, you wrote: >> >Yes I understand that. The risk to no longer made original parts to >> >have a >> >little bit less smoke is still to me not worth it. Smoke is just a part >> >of >> >Maytaging. >> >And from what I've experianced if an engine is set up properly and the >> >internals of the engine are up to anywhere near snuff and the proper oil >> >is >> >used at the right mix ratio the smoke is minimal with little risk to a >> >finite number of Expensive original parts left. Lets not forget that by >> >experimenting with oils and mixtures we are also putting rods, rings, >> >crankshafts and mainbearings at risk too. >> > I've just seen the internals of so many engines ruined due to >> > improper >> >oil or the lack there of thats its not even funny. >> >Remember I see more then the average number of engines and parts >> >compared >> >to the average collector. So I see a wider range of problems then the >> >average bear. I am repairing on average 50 plus carburetors and >> >ignition >> >plates a year just from whats mailed to me at home for repair. And even >> >more at shows. And the same can be said for seeing engines tore down and >> >the troubles inside. >> > JEES what am I doing here I just realised that I'm loosing money by >> >recomending proper mixtures and the right oils so forget everything >> >I've >> >said in the past, run em 40-1 / 60-1 heck try 4000-1 mix that Dave >> >recomends, lets see how long they run. Heck I hear that vegetable oil >> >works >> >well, Even used Veg oil lfrom McDonalds lets all try that. Then the >> >smoke >> >will smell like fries. GRINNNNN, NOT!! >> > Happy Tagging all. Mark >> > >> >PS: For anyone in the area there is a nice show at Wellington, Ohio this >> >weekend. Its called Lagrange Engine Club Show. See ya there, Mark >> > >> >At 07:57 AM 9/11/07, you wrote: >> > >I think they are running them lean to get rid of all the foul >> > smelling smoke. >> > > >> > >Luke Tonneberger >> > >Rockford, Michigan >> > >USA >> > > >> > >================= >> > >>From: Mark Shulaw >> > >> >> > >> I know I sell pistons every year to fellows >> > >>who run it too lean on oil. The twins are just the most susceptable >> > >>to >> > >>damage by lack of oil. To me just to save a few $$ on oil its not >> worth the >> > >>risk to run them lean. >> > >> TTYL, Mark >> > >> >Mark & Christine Shulaw >> >454 Co. Rd. 33 >> >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> > >> >Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >> >Parts lists available on request. >> > >> >Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >> >No Sunday calls if possible. >> >I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I >> >represent >> >them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist >> >and >> >hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 12 19:55:46 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:55:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com><30561D14-9559-4671-A7B8-E68ECCE96659@alltel.net> <46E886F2.8060107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <01a901c7f5b1$9bac3800$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ha! Its all coming out now!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > Well, maybe to get rid of the nickname "stumpy"?. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > David Rotigel wrote: > >>My doG Tommy, even I will not respond to your question! >> Dave >> >>On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >> >> >>>George, >>> is there a reason you want it longer? >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>>Best, George wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the >>>>crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they >>>>didn't >>>>want to use a belt pulley on it. >>>> >>>>I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I >>>>find replacement crankshaft instead? >>>> >>>>What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and >>>>true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. >>>>Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the >>>>crankshaft. >>>>Press the extention piece in. >>>>Weld the seam. >>>>Then clean up the joint in the lathe. >>>> >>>>Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? >>>> >>>> >>>>This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >>>>the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>>>confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >>>>recipient or an authorized representative of the intended >>>>recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this >>>>communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>>>communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and >>>>delete the message and any attachments from your system. >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 12 21:13:42 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:13:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! Message-ID: <20070913.001754.1328.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hey, Joe, That stock looks very nice, but a bit too new for me. = = = = = = = = = = = = Hi Alan, & Tommy - - - That stock ain't new. I found it at a flea market for $3. It is made of oak and the rear part of the stock was formed but the front was still square. I cut a channel in the top and shaved the front till I thought it looked pretty good. Then I cut through where the trigger would go and had an electrician friend bend me some 3/4 conduit. You can hear it "cracking" all over the show. Has a pretty distinctive sound. Yes - - - Maytags are a bit "nerve wracking". So I usually don't run it too long. It also swivels so I can aim it toward Dave if he's in the area. = = = = = = = = = = Tommy, Yes - It's about shoulder height. It also has a "slip Joint" just below where the trigger would be and slips off the stand for transporting. I don't want to say I was the first but, I had no one to copy from so, it's pretty much my own idea. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Sep 13 01:59:07 2007 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:59:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <001f01c7f5e4$58830a80$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi, this is what I had done on a largish pommy engine ('06 9 1/2hp Hornsby Ackroyd - ie. single flywheel). It had a bad bend in the 3" crank, that had been cut off just outside the bend. A spiggot was turned on the stub end and another piece of 3" and a bit with the same size hole as the spiggot pressed on to make up the correct length. The joint was then welded and ground on the lathe back to the 3". It is so good I cant tell exactly where the join is and no I didnt do it myself - I paid a few bucks to a guy who is smarter than me - worth every cent. Sure I wouldnt try and drive anything with it, but I would mount a pulley on it just for show. The engine lives now and runs quite nice. I posted this a few weeks ago, but here it is again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w0yXj5-yiw Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:32 AM Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending > I've got an engine where someone took a hacksaw and shortened the > crankshaft for some reason. Maybe it stuck out too far and they didn't > want to use a belt pulley on it. > > I'm wondering if it is feasible to extend the crankshaft, or should I > find replacement crankshaft instead? > > What I'm thinking is that I could put the crankshaft on the lathe and > true up where they cut the shaft. Then center bore the shaft. > Make an extention piece with a stub to fit the bored hole in the > crankshaft. > Press the extention piece in. > Weld the seam. > Then clean up the joint in the lathe. > > Does this sound like a feasible way to fix the crankshaft? > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 13 05:46:34 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:46:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > I've run the Amsoil in at least 7-8 singles and a couple twins and > have never had a problem with it. Which one , and at what ratio ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 13 06:03:12 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:03:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com><0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <002c01c7f606$711e5b40$0601a8c0@altech> Can we buy this royal honey (Amsoil) that prolongs the life of these wonderous little machines here in Oz??? Peter, Oz > > >> I've run the Amsoil in at least 7-8 singles and a couple twins and >> have never had a problem with it. > > Which one , and at what ratio ? > > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 13 06:20:54 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:20:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com><0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <004901c7f608$e9d26700$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Which one of these Amsoil two stroke oils do you guys use? We have an Australian distributor at broken Hill, NSW http://www.a1oils.com.au/2stroke.php Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > >> I've run the Amsoil in at least 7-8 singles and a couple twins and >> have never had a problem with it. > > Which one , and at what ratio ? > > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 13 07:38:59 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:38:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20070913015258.3B3F5392452@mx-in04.iad.mail-abuse.org> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20070913015258.3B3F5392452@mx-in04.iad.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475CD85@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> It is for the 5hp Bovaird & Seyfang I just got. Looking at it again last night I noticed the flywheel has holes in 3 spokes for mounting a belt pulley, so extending the crankshaft would be purely cosmetic if the flywheel spokes were used for mounting a belt pulley. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:59 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending George, how common is the engine? Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 13 07:42:08 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:42:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <012e01c7f614$439b0480$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> To do like that fellow did a few years back just for the heck of > it where he run 50 gallons of fuel thru a Maytag. That was Dale Luttig I think he has the record for the most engines run at once also . From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 13 07:43:15 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:43:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705913@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><46E69E85.10209@imc-group.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904705D12@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047331D7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <46E8808A.8060901@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475CD9C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Tommy, the flywheels are on the engine and it should be in running condition, I just haven't had time yet to play with it. The crankshaft was cut off right at the hub and it appears it was done with a hacksaw. Even if it wasn't extended to mount a pulley on, it would still look a lot nicer to have a few inches past the hub. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending George, Did they cut it off so that the flywheel won't fit back on the shaft? If not, is there a reason you want it longer (to mount a pulley?). The reason I ask is that many engine builders didn't extend the c/s much beyond the hubs. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 13 07:59:56 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:59:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <46E88000.3050406@scrtc.com> References: <20070912.113242.640.1.jlb94@juno.com> <46E88000.3050406@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475CDE3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I've never had the privilege (?) of seeing a shotgun Maytag in operation. So don't know why anyone would make one. Is it just to have smoke coming out of the shotgun barrel? Or... Does it accumulate gas fumes which can then be ignited to make it look like the gun is being fired? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:11 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! Joe, I like how you've got the shotgun mounted on the stand at about shoulder (shooting) height. I've seen a few other shotgun maytags with the gun almost on the ground. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Sep 13 09:46:06 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:46:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft extending In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475CD85@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20070913172056.35B0F4C306B@mx-in03.iad.mail-abuse.org> George, Someone probably hacked off the neat clutch pulley.. My vote is to replace the crankshaft with the clutch pulley. Those engines are probably stacked like cord wood back east. Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending It is for the 5hp Bovaird & Seyfang I just got. Looking at it again last night I noticed the flywheel has holes in 3 spokes for mounting a belt pulley, so extending the crankshaft would be purely cosmetic if the flywheel spokes were used for mounting a belt pulley. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:59 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Crankshaft extending George, how common is the engine? Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 13 10:53:55 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:53:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! Message-ID: <20070913.135423.1040.0.jlb94@juno.com> s it just to have smoke coming out of the shotgun barrel? Or... Does it accumulate gas fumes which can then be ignited to make it look like the gun is being fired? = = = = = = = = It's just to make smoke and Gawd Awful Noise George. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 13 11:18:17 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475CDE3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <789218.85002.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi George, When you run that exhaust through a tube it cracks like a rifle. It is a real attention getter. If I had a way to record and upload to YouTube I would fire mine up. At one small show that I had my shotgun Maytag at, back when I was stupid, there was a guy that had a Maytag single running and he ran the exhaust through a ten foot piece of pipe laying on the ground. It gave a very loud crank every couple seconds. I got a lot of compliments at that show for my shotgun. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan "Best, George" wrote: I've never had the privilege (?) of seeing a shotgun Maytag in operation. So don't know why anyone would make one. Is it just to have smoke coming out of the shotgun barrel? Or... Does it accumulate gas fumes which can then be ignited to make it look like the gun is being fired? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:11 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! Joe, I like how you've got the shotgun mounted on the stand at about shoulder (shooting) height. I've seen a few other shotgun maytags with the gun almost on the ground. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 13 15:00:26 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:00:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <20070912.113242.640.1.jlb94@juno.com> <46E88000.3050406@scrtc.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590475CDE3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <002801c7f651$7e284260$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Or... Does it accumulate gas fumes which can then be ignited to make it > look like the gun is being fired? You are supposed to use it on the single cyl with the hitnmiss governor . Add a dozen plus feet of tubing you can only hear the hits popping out of the barrel . Wouldnt achieve the same effect with a twin . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Sep 13 16:29:36 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:29:36 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <004901c7f608$e9d26700$0601a8c0@altech> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com><0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <004901c7f608$e9d26700$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au> I use the 50;1 oil in all my two strokes.Once you use it you won't want to go back to mineral two stroke oil. I also use the injecter stuff in my boat. It runs better and the fumes don't make you sea sick! I also run the ATF in the trans of my F350. It runs 20 degrees cooler and smoothed the shifts out.The gear oil is good in the axles too. I don't run it in the engine. The Powerstroke is a good 500,000 Km engine anyway and should outlast the rest of the ute. Ray Freeman Perth -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 9:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! Hi all Which one of these Amsoil two stroke oils do you guys use? We have an Australian distributor at broken Hill, NSW http://www.a1oils.com.au/2stroke.php Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > >> I've run the Amsoil in at least 7-8 singles and a couple twins and >> have never had a problem with it. > > Which one , and at what ratio ? > > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 13 17:14:18 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au> Message-ID: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, I was just thinking about when I joined this list. I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. What do you figure the difference is now? My vote is SmokeStak. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 13 17:36:13 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:36:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? References: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03ce01c7f667$42b1ee50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I think its like shows. At first you are all talking, then ya sit back and enjoy the company and occasional banter! Slick Willie has slowed things too. All used to be on the engine site. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? > Hi Folks, > > > I was just thinking about when I joined this list. > I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. > That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of > emails. > I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. > > What do you figure the difference is now? > > My vote is SmokeStak. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 13 19:37:56 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:37:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com><0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net><6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com><0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><004901c7f608$e9d26700$0601a8c0@altech> <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au> Message-ID: <002201c7f678$42938120$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> >I use the 50;1 oil in all my two strokes.Once you use it you won't want to > go back to mineral two stroke oil. I also use the injecter stuff in my > boat. > It runs better and the fumes don't make you sea sick! Is that the TDR or the Hp ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 13 19:59:02 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:59:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Any list members in the Cleveland Ohio Area Message-ID: <012801c7f67b$3533b560$240110ac@FAMILY> Are there any list members in the Cleveland, Ohio area? I might need to store a small disk sander until can arrange transportation South. Paul From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 00:13:13 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:13:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <03ce01c7f667$42b1ee50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03ce01c7f667$42b1ee50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160709140013ge784f1fg69e94af2c4e51d5e@mail.gmail.com> On 14/09/2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > I think its like shows. > At first you are all talking, then ya sit back and enjoy the company and > occasional banter! > Slick Willie has slowed things too. All used to be on the engine site. > Reg & Marg Ingold. At the Portland Charity Auction I was talking to Brice Adams and Spencer Yost about one or both of them producing a 'history' of the Lists, starting with it at Indiana.edu and following on from there. Brice was possibly thinking along the same lines, and I said that I would check back through my hard disks to see what old traffic I still had from both lists, and forward details to Brice. If anyone else has emails or the potted/condensed versions available from those days, let Brice know so that he can start compiling a list of what he needs. DON'T send anything apart from a list of what you have. The "Mourning Doves" exchange with Rob, Arnie and a couple of others would be particularly nice to see again, I only have a print-out of a couple of those emails here. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 00:19:13 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:19:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au> <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160709140019s309a410akfc26d02dfdaae30f@mail.gmail.com> On 14/09/2007, Alan Bowen wrote: > Hi Folks, > > > I was just thinking about when I joined this list. > I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. > That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. > I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. > > What do you figure the difference is now? > > My vote is SmokeStak. > > Alan Bowen Harry's site has made some difference, but it is a more general thing in my view. When the Indiana.edu list was running, it was possibly the only one of its kind, now you have discussion sites for almost every branch of engineering, and you cannot keep up with them all unless you spend all day at the screen. Reggie has also given a good description of what happens when you first join, any discussion tends to fall away as you get established and become more selective about which discussions you join in with. People also have less free time these days in my experience, even those who are retired seem to be as busy or busier than when they were working. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 14 04:33:02 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? References: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501c7f6c3$029f5300$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Alan I would guess more time should be spent in the shed restoring engines rather than sitting wondering when the next email is going to come in ;-))) Peter, Oz > Hi Folks, > > > I was just thinking about when I joined this list. > I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. > That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of > emails. > I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. > > What do you figure the difference is now? > > My vote is SmokeStak. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Fri Sep 14 06:10:22 2007 From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:10:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160709140013ge784f1fg69e94af2c4e51d5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03ce01c7f667$42b1ee50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6f6025160709140013ge784f1fg69e94af2c4e51d5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189775422.20296.4.camel@hebe> On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 08:13 +0100, Listerdiesel wrote: > At the Portland Charity Auction I was talking to Brice Adams and > Spencer Yost about one or both of them producing a 'history' of the > Lists, starting with it at Indiana.edu and following on from there. I had put this together a few years ago. I never finished it, but the outline is there and some of the content has been filled-in. http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/FAQ.shtml Pete. -- Pete Alleman pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Lafayette, Louisiana USA From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Fri Sep 14 14:12:27 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:12:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy Message-ID: <000f01c7f714$c859e690$2597e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi, I have recently purchased an air cooled waterloo boy and wondered if anybody can give me any information on them. Thanks, Craig in Scotland From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Fri Sep 14 14:16:55 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:16:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] coolspring Message-ID: <001001c7f714$db16ce60$2597e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi all, I know that this request is more than a year in advance but I do believe in forward planning if possible, so does anyone know when the fall swap meet will be next year (2008). Thanks , Craig in Scotland From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 14 17:16:47 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:16:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] coolspring In-Reply-To: <001001c7f714$db16ce60$2597e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <001001c7f714$db16ce60$2597e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: Hi Craig, The answer to your question is "Yes!" Dave On Sep 14, 2007, at 5:16 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi all, > I know that this request is more than a year in advance but > I do believe in forward planning if possible, so does anyone know > when the fall swap meet will be next year (2008). > > Thanks , Craig in Scotland From FOOSENG at aol.com Fri Sep 14 18:18:39 2007 From: FOOSENG at aol.com (FOOSENG at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:18:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] Any list members in the Cleveland Ohio Area Message-ID: PRESTON FOSTER AND TED STRAKA ARE IN THE GENERAL CLEVELAND AREA. PRESTON FOSTER ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From kimmell at verizon.net Fri Sep 14 22:07:33 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:07:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags always steal the show !! In-Reply-To: <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070910223651.02ef28c0@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911091725.02ef3cd0@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JO700BPQWSTWC47@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <6.2.1.2.1.20070911230149.02eee760@pop3.wcoil.com> <0JOA00ICUB8IHVW5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <00a801c7f604$1eaaa370$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <0JOE00L5M8XPEDKA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> At 07:46 AM 9/13/2007, you wrote: >Which one , and at what ratio ? It's called Amsoil Interceptor. I use it at 50:1 ratio. -Tony From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Sep 15 05:23:25 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:23:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag Message-ID: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! 320155183988 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 15 05:42:59 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:42:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag In-Reply-To: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! Dave On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! > > 320155183988 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 15 13:15:22 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:15:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Undergrond Railroad or Temp Storage Message-ID: <001801c7f7d5$26d5f7c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Are there any list members around Sparks, Maryland? I am looking at a small grinder on E-bay that I may bid on if I could get someone to pick it up for me and store it until I could figure out a way to get it to Arkansas. Thanks Paul From 29burgess29 at comcast.net Sat Sep 15 17:20:23 2007 From: 29burgess29 at comcast.net (29burgess29 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:20:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Undergrond Railroad or Temp Storage Message-ID: <091620070020.14879.46EC76C7000D6C4C00003A1F2200761394C7CD9C9C0A099D9A0DC7CD@comcast.net> Hey, Paul I live in southern Maryland, I could pick the grinder up for you if you win. Do you have any idea how heavy it is? Dave B (Gadgetman) -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Paul Maples" > Are there any list members around Sparks, Maryland? I am looking at a small > grinder on E-bay that I may bid on if I could get someone to pick it up for me > and store it until I could figure out a way to get it to Arkansas. > > Thanks > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Sat Sep 15 21:26:58 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:26:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Unidentified engine Message-ID: <380-22007901642658515@coastalnet.com> Here are pictures of another unidentified engine sent to me for posting. Check it out at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/bocephus/ Thanks, Ke From gibsongus at myway.com Sat Sep 15 21:31:00 2007 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] list engine and tractor Message-ID: <20070916043100.6BC1F467AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> somehow I got cut off from the lists, so please reconect me Gibsongus at myway,com thank you-----------------GusWhittier, CA _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From mack at melbpc.org.au Sat Sep 15 22:00:32 2007 From: mack at melbpc.org.au (John Mackesy) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:00:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 24, Issue 25 References: 200603261700.k2QH05r0005928@heavyiron.atis.net Message-ID: <46ECB870.70203@melbpc.org.au> From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 15 22:26:21 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:26:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] list engine and tractor In-Reply-To: <20070916043100.6BC1F467AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20070916043100.6BC1F467AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: On Sep 15, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Gus wrote: > somehow I got cut off from the lists, so please reconect me > Gibsongus at myway,com thank you-----------------GusWhittier, CA Hey Brohoss, You were automatically disabled from the WAPA list also, for excessive bounces. Welcome back. From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 16 06:46:24 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:46:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oct./Nov. GEM Message-ID: Hi All, My GEM arrived yesterday. Took a look at it this morning and found two interesting articles by List members--one by Jerry Evans ("A Gib Key Puller") and a second by Rob Skinner (on Half Breeds) Both were good reads, although I couldn't figure out what Rob's article had to do with indians--and I'm surprised that Backus allowed the politically UN-CORRECT term "half-breed" to be used in the title of a GEM article! Dave PS, GREAT articles guys! From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 16 13:30:08 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:30:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 24, Issue 25 References: 200603261700.k2QH05r0005928@heavyiron.atis.net <46ECB870.70203@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <001a01c7f8a0$600c1990$6801a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I was thinkin the same thing ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mackesy" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:00 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 24, Issue 25 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Sep 16 15:01:16 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:01:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Oct./Nov. GEM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68862BC5-23F5-460B-A0E8-C762FEB22D5A@rustyiron.com> On Sep 16, 2007, at 6:46 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > I'm surprised that Backus allowed the > politically UN-CORRECT term "half-breed" to be used in the title of a > GEM article! What's wrong with talking about half-breeds? After all, Ritchie's magazine is about Injuns! From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Sep 16 15:30:06 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:30:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag In-Reply-To: <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: >WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! > Dave > >On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. > > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at > > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his > > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! > > > > 320155183988 > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Sep 16 17:05:59 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:05:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag Message-ID: <200709170006.l8H05x2r020061@bn3.blue.net> Russell, If you need it, pay what it takes. If you got the engine right, you're still in good shape. With ebay one things certain, somebody else needed it almost as bad as you! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -------- Original Message -------- ==> From: Russell Gilbert ==> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:30:06 1000 Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: >WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! > Dave > >On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. > > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at > > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his > > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! > > > > 320155183988 > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 16 17:48:51 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:48:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <0ED57E40-2FDD-4B32-93D9-42C3DE15FA81@alltel.net> GOOD on ya then Russell! It was worth EVERY penny that you paid for it! Dave On Sep 16, 2007, at 6:30 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED > it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully > restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my > purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines > value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! > > > > At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: >> WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! >> Dave >> >> On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >>> OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. >>> I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There >>> was at >>> least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his >>> asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! >>> >>> 320155183988 >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FOOSENG at aol.com Sun Sep 16 19:42:02 2007 From: FOOSENG at aol.com (FOOSENG at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:42:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] coolspring Message-ID: October 16, 17 & 18, 2008. Preston Foster CPM Director ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Sep 16 19:57:40 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:57:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000b01c7f8d6$841d7000$a949eedc@fred> Good buying Russell, imagine how the loosing bidder feels after being beaten by $25. Bid high & bid last ! David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Magical Mag > Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED > it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully > restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my > purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines > value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! > > > > At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: >>WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! >> Dave >> >>On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >> > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. >> > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at >> > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his >> > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! >> > >> > 320155183988 >> > >> > Tommy Turner >> > Magnolia, KY >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: > 16/09/2007 6:32 PM > > From bethell at internode.on.net Sun Sep 16 21:41:04 2007 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:41:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000901c7f8e4$feabc390$0201010a@JIM> No wonder you were very chirpy on Saturday night at the Waikerie rally! Jimbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Magical Mag > Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED > it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully > restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my > purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines > value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! > > > > At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: > >WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! > > Dave > > > >On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > > > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. > > > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at > > > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his > > > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! > > > > > > 320155183988 > > > > > > Tommy Turner > > > Magnolia, KY > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Sep 16 22:31:55 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:31:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag In-Reply-To: <000901c7f8e4$feabc390$0201010a@JIM> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <000901c7f8e4$feabc390$0201010a@JIM> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070917153006.01ad2130@ncable.com.au> Jimbo I'm not so chirpy for having to spend up on a magi! have enough to cover with the other little prize I got. But sometimes you just need go for it with this old gear. Will again have to clear some rubbish out to pay for it. At 02:41 PM 17/09/2007, you wrote: >No wonder you were very chirpy on Saturday night at the Waikerie rally! >Jimbo >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:30 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Magical Mag > > > > Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED > > it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully > > restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my > > purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines > > value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! > > > > > > > > At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: > > >WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! > > > Dave > > > > > >On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > > > > > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. > > > > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at > > > > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his > > > > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! > > > > > > > > 320155183988 > > > > > > > > Tommy Turner > > > > Magnolia, KY > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Russell Gilbert > > Sunny Sunraysia > > russell at ncable.com.au > > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Sep 16 23:50:19 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:50:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magical Mag Message-ID: <380-22007911765019981@M2W040.mail2web.com> It is all about supply and demand. The other Wizard mag that this guy had for sale went for $710AUS, with the bracket and ignitor to fit a Triumph Line R&V, it too would have exceeded $1000. Like you said, the engine cost you nothing so you are in front. If the Wizard had the bracket and ignitor it would have been mine, as I had an R&V given to me for free. So there you go. Nice purchase, hope you are happy and it serves you well. Peter, Oz No wonder you were very chirpy on Saturday night at the Waikerie rally! Jimbo > Tommy and Dave, I hope this sucker is magical cause I REALLLLLY NEED > it! Price was not so much the issue as I recently won a fully > restored 4hp mogul at auction. Add the value of this magi to my > purchase price and I still have only paid about 1/2 the engines > value. Makes it still worth while. U's don't grow on trees over here! > > > > At 10:42 PM 15/09/2007, you wrote: > >WOW! I don't think the damn thing is worth a penny over $1,500.00! > > Dave > > > >On Sep 15, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > > > OK folks, I was watching this on ebay and thought I might bid on it. > > > I've seen these sell at auctions for around $400 or so. There was at > > > least one for sale (by a friend of mine) at Portland and I think his > > > asking price was $475. Some folks must have really wanted this one! > > > > > > 320155183988 > > > > > > Tommy Turner > > > Magnolia, KY -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 17 05:21:39 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:21:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil Message-ID: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I contacted the only Amsoil Dealer in NSW, A1 OILS - Australia, and his reply to my question about running my Maytags on Amsoil is below. I did not want this thread to start off and take over the group again, so just read it and take it in for what he says, as we have heard all the pros and cons before. The prices are in Aussie dollars and he sent me 6 .PDF files about the two products below if anyone is interested, they are probably on the Amsoil web site any how and his details for direct deposit to buy some. I am going to get a quart and try it. Any questions please contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au Regards Peter, Oz > Hi Peter, > Thank you for your enquiry regarding Amsoil products. > > There are no other distributors in NSW, but I am more than happy to send > product to you whenever you need some. > > Sorry, about the late reply, I have been away for a few days on unexpected > family business. > > Yep, there is no reason why your motor will not run beautifully well and > clean on Amsoil. > > There are two different two-stroke oils to consider for your application. > If > you are going to use at 50:1 or richer you would be better off to use > Amsoil > Interceptor at $17 a quart (946ml). > > If you are going to run it at between 50 and 100:1 Amsoil Saber-Pro 100:1 > will be better value for you. This is $19 a quart. > > Registered Post will be $11.00 on top of whichever of the above oils you > choose to use. The reason postage seems dear is that Australia Post have a > basic charge of nearly $9 per parcel plus a cost per kilo on top. > > I do give a 10% discount for box buys of 12. > > Don't stress though, your motor will run clean and sweet on any of > Amsoil's > Two Stroke oils. I will attach some info to help you make the choice. > > I will also attach my banking details in case you go ahead with an order. > > Thanking you, > Peter Crossing > A1 OILS - Australia From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 17 06:44:41 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:44:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <5E667652-4417-4227-BE5E-36F652CC1937@alltel.net> Hi Peter, This is indeed GREAT news! I would suggest that you use the Interceptor (at $17.00 per qt.) It's a bit more expensive, but you will more than make up the money in the saving of only using half the amount. I wish you would write the guy again and ask if you could become an Amsoil distributor in NSW. Since there would be no competition w/in hundreds of miles for the product the opportunities would seem to be unlimited! I would also be interested in the guys opinion on using Interceptor at 101:1 and 102:1. As an experiment I think you should try it at 4,000:1 and then let the List know the results. I would be willing to pay for the Interceptor used in that experiment! As you know I'm ALWAYS interested in any information that advances our knowledge of the starting, running and STOPPING of Fred's Mistake! I look forward to what others have to add to this fascinating thread! Dave On Sep 17, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > I contacted the only Amsoil Dealer in NSW, A1 OILS - Australia, and > his > reply to my question about running my Maytags on Amsoil is below. > I did not want this thread to start off and take over the group > again, so > just read it and take it in for what he says, as we have heard all > the pros > and cons before. > The prices are in Aussie dollars and he sent me 6 .PDF files about > the two > products below if anyone is interested, they are probably on the > Amsoil web > site any how and his details for direct deposit to buy some. > I am going to get a quart and try it. > Any questions please contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au > > Regards > Peter, Oz > > > > > >> Hi Peter, >> Thank you for your enquiry regarding Amsoil products. >> >> There are no other distributors in NSW, but I am more than happy >> to send >> product to you whenever you need some. >> >> Sorry, about the late reply, I have been away for a few days on >> unexpected >> family business. >> >> Yep, there is no reason why your motor will not run beautifully >> well and >> clean on Amsoil. >> >> There are two different two-stroke oils to consider for your >> application. >> If >> you are going to use at 50:1 or richer you would be better off to use >> Amsoil >> Interceptor at $17 a quart (946ml). >> >> If you are going to run it at between 50 and 100:1 Amsoil Saber- >> Pro 100:1 >> will be better value for you. This is $19 a quart. >> >> Registered Post will be $11.00 on top of whichever of the above >> oils you >> choose to use. The reason postage seems dear is that Australia >> Post have a >> basic charge of nearly $9 per parcel plus a cost per kilo on top. >> >> I do give a 10% discount for box buys of 12. >> >> Don't stress though, your motor will run clean and sweet on any of >> Amsoil's >> Two Stroke oils. I will attach some info to help you make the choice. >> >> I will also attach my banking details in case you go ahead with an >> order. >> >> Thanking you, >> Peter Crossing >> A1 OILS - Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From galoway4 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 17 11:34:25 2007 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:34:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <002801c7f959$618c51e0$9a22fd04@jake> Whatis the worth of 2 cylender John Deer Power unit I.D. LCU From falcon at telenet.net Mon Sep 17 11:46:35 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:46:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <46EECB8B.3040301@telenet.net> I have used both of those oils and have the same problem with both. The fumes given off when they burn give you a BAD headache. I used them while racing snowmobiles and in the woodlot. They do work very well. The 100:1 caused no problems in any of my gear and most were 40:1 engines. I still use it in the two strokes around here. I just make sure not to use them on a day with dead air. Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > I contacted the only Amsoil Dealer in NSW, A1 OILS - Australia, and his > reply to my question about running my Maytags on Amsoil is below. > I did not want this thread to start off and take over the group again, so > just read it and take it in for what he says, as we have heard all the pros > and cons before. > The prices are in Aussie dollars and he sent me 6 .PDF files about the two > products below if anyone is interested, they are probably on the Amsoil web > site any how and his details for direct deposit to buy some. > I am going to get a quart and try it. > Any questions please contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au > > Regards > Peter, Oz > > > > > >> Hi Peter, >> Thank you for your enquiry regarding Amsoil products. >> >> There are no other distributors in NSW, but I am more than happy to send >> product to you whenever you need some. >> >> Sorry, about the late reply, I have been away for a few days on unexpected >> family business. >> >> Yep, there is no reason why your motor will not run beautifully well and >> clean on Amsoil. >> >> There are two different two-stroke oils to consider for your application. >> If >> you are going to use at 50:1 or richer you would be better off to use >> Amsoil >> Interceptor at $17 a quart (946ml). >> >> If you are going to run it at between 50 and 100:1 Amsoil Saber-Pro 100:1 >> will be better value for you. This is $19 a quart. >> >> Registered Post will be $11.00 on top of whichever of the above oils you >> choose to use. The reason postage seems dear is that Australia Post have a >> basic charge of nearly $9 per parcel plus a cost per kilo on top. >> >> I do give a 10% discount for box buys of 12. >> >> Don't stress though, your motor will run clean and sweet on any of >> Amsoil's >> Two Stroke oils. I will attach some info to help you make the choice. >> >> I will also attach my banking details in case you go ahead with an order. >> >> Thanking you, >> Peter Crossing >> A1 OILS - Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From b2 at chooka.net Mon Sep 17 11:53:14 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:53:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <002801c7f959$618c51e0$9a22fd04@jake> References: <002801c7f959$618c51e0$9a22fd04@jake> Message-ID: <00eb01c7f95c$01de1eb0$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> I sold a running and very complete specimen, good sheet metal, etc. on eBay within the past year for $430. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Buchanan Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:34 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Whatis the worth of 2 cylender John Deer Power unit I.D. LCU _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Mon Sep 17 11:58:53 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:58:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au> <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E844A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Alan, I miss the old days, or at least most of the old days ;-) During our peak we where getting a lot more than 100 emails a day. I even dropped out a few times back then when the messages were getting too frequent and I needed to get more work done. I'm sure that SmokeStak is one of the reasons for the lower message counts now. You see a lot of SEL members posting on SmokeStak, including myself. Part of it could be that mailing lists are pretty much old technology, while dicussion forums on websites are current. While we may like old technology when it comes to engines, some may prefer current technology for communicating. I haven't been to the Portland show the past 6 years, so maybe someone can answer this. I know the SEL list always has a display area for list members and we were also involved with the Thursday night dinner. Does the SmokeStak group have a display area at Portland? Just wondering for people that participate with both groups, which group they choose to set up with at the show. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? Hi Folks, I was just thinking about when I joined this list. I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. What do you figure the difference is now? My vote is SmokeStak. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 17 12:17:11 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:17:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E844A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au> <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E844A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6EA868ED-373F-4EC0-8C88-D033675BC417@alltel.net> > I haven't been to the Portland show the past 6 years, so maybe someone > can answer this. > > I know the SEL list always has a display area for list members and we > were also involved with the Thursday night dinner. > > Does the SmokeStak group have a display area at Portland? > > Just wondering for people that participate with both groups, which > group > they choose to set up with at the show. > > George Hi George, The Stakers DO NOT have a set-up area nor a dinner. They do meet (almost every day) for about 5 minutes for pictures. Dave From George_Best at adp.com Mon Sep 17 12:46:30 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:46:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <6EA868ED-373F-4EC0-8C88-D033675BC417@alltel.net> References: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au><960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E844A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6EA868ED-373F-4EC0-8C88-D033675BC417@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E85AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Dave, Doesn't sound like much of a group if they only get together for 5 minutes ;-) I suppose that works out better as it would pose a serious dilemma for some people if they had to make a choice which group to display with. Has the ATIS tractor list had the same decline in postings? Website forums are readily available for most makes or types of tractors. I know at one time I had to choose between ATIS and SEL because the volumn of email was too great to keep up with and still be productive at work. I may rejoin ATIS as the email volumn doesn't appear to be a problem anymore. ;-) George >Hi George, > The Stakers DO NOT have a set-up area nor a dinner. >They do meet (almost every day) for about 5 minutes for pictures. > Dave This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From kimmell at verizon.net Mon Sep 17 12:47:16 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:47:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <46EECB8B.3040301@telenet.net> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <46EECB8B.3040301@telenet.net> Message-ID: <0JOJ00MRQ2ZT4AGA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> At 01:46 PM 9/17/2007, you wrote: >I have used both of those oils and have the same problem with both. The >fumes given off when they burn give you a BAD headache. Steve, Are you telling me that the good old fashun' oil smoke cloud DOESN'T give you a headache??? 8-) I can't say I've ever gotten a good whiff of the Amsoil funes myself. -Tony From falcon at telenet.net Mon Sep 17 15:13:25 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:13:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <0JOJ00MRQ2ZT4AGA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <46EECB8B.3040301@telenet.net> <0JOJ00MRQ2ZT4AGA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <46EEFC05.7010206@telenet.net> Tony & Jackie wrote: > At 01:46 PM 9/17/2007, you wrote: >> I have used both of those oils and have the same problem with both. The >> fumes given off when they burn give you a BAD headache. > > Steve, > Are you telling me that the good old fashun' oil smoke cloud DOESN'T > give you a headache??? 8-) I can't say I've ever gotten a good whiff > of the Amsoil funes myself. > > -Tony No where near what the Amsoil does. The difference is about like the difference between having a sliver in your finger and having your arm fed through a wood chipper.... I think it has to do with the way the chemicals they use break down in the heat of combustion. The stuff lubes great but after a race day I felt like someone was using my head as an anvil while some miner was trying to dig his way out from inside. I asked around and many of the folks using Amsoil spoke of the same thing. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 17 15:22:52 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:22:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <46EECB8B.3040301@telenet.net><0JOJ00MRQ2ZT4AGA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <46EEFC05.7010206@telenet.net> Message-ID: <003d01c7f979$4a02b940$0601a8c0@altech> > Tony & Jackie wrote: > I have used both of those oils and have the same problem with both. The >> fumes given off when they burn give you a BAD headache. >> >> Steve, >> Are you telling me that the good old fashun' oil smoke cloud DOESN'T >> give you a headache??? 8-) I can't say I've ever gotten a good whiff >> of the Amsoil funes myself. >> >> -Tony > > No where near what the Amsoil does. The difference is about like the > difference between having a sliver in your finger and having your arm > fed through a wood chipper.... I think it has to do with the way the > chemicals they use break down in the heat of combustion. The stuff lubes > great but after a race day I felt like someone was using my head as an > anvil while some miner was trying to dig his way out from inside. I > asked around and many of the folks using Amsoil spoke of the same thing. > Steve W. I got the same headache Steve when using Glycol on my open cooling tanks until I read that the vapours were toxic and should only be used in an enclosed cooling system. Peter, Oz From jbcast at charter.net Mon Sep 17 16:07:54 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:07:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070917190754.GN7K7.44713.root@fepweb12> I don't know the size of a Maytag tank, but at $17 a quart, 50 to 1 ratio you would be increasing the value of a Maytag a lot if you filled the tank.If I ever get around to trying to run mine it will be on the $1.50 stuff. J.B.Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Mon Sep 17 17:11:21 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:11:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Maytag engine for bsale? *** In-Reply-To: <20070917190754.GN7K7.44713.root@fepweb12> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <20070917190754.GN7K7.44713.root@fepweb12> Message-ID: <004401c7f988$71c2d190$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Is there a Maytag Engine for sale near New Jersey? Thank you, New member Pat in NJ Pasquale.NJ at Verizon.Net From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Sep 17 17:19:40 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:19:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <46EECB8B.3040301@telenet.net><0JOJ00MRQ2ZT4AGA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <46EEFC05.7010206@telenet.net> Message-ID: <000f01c7f989$9e93f180$a949eedc@fred> My son & I used Amsoil at 100 to 1 in our Hovercrafts that were used for pleasure and racing, we ran 50 Hp. 2 cyl.Yamaha 2 stroke engines at max. speed of 8000 revs.and cruising speed at 6000 revs, never had any problems. David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil > > > Tony & Jackie wrote: >> At 01:46 PM 9/17/2007, you wrote: >>> I have used both of those oils and have the same problem with both. The >>> fumes given off when they burn give you a BAD headache. >> >> Steve, >> Are you telling me that the good old fashun' oil smoke cloud DOESN'T >> give you a headache??? 8-) I can't say I've ever gotten a good whiff >> of the Amsoil funes myself. >> >> -Tony > > No where near what the Amsoil does. The difference is about like the > difference between having a sliver in your finger and having your arm > fed through a wood chipper.... I think it has to do with the way the > chemicals they use break down in the heat of combustion. The stuff lubes > great but after a race day I felt like someone was using my head as an > anvil while some miner was trying to dig his way out from inside. I > asked around and many of the folks using Amsoil spoke of the same thing. > > -- > Steve W. > Near Cooperstown, New York > NRA Member > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > he'd have become a vegan. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: > 17/09/2007 1:29 PM > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 17 18:12:08 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:12:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Maytag engine for bsale? *** In-Reply-To: <004401c7f988$71c2d190$0201a8c0@Pasquale> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <20070917190754.GN7K7.44713.root@fepweb12> <004401c7f988$71c2d190$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <900E100D-1579-4132-9658-70E241E09E7F@alltel.net> YES!!!!!!!!!! Dave On Sep 17, 2007, at 8:11 PM, Pasquale Lombardi wrote: > > Is there a Maytag Engine for sale near New Jersey? > Thank you, > New member Pat in NJ > Pasquale.NJ at Verizon.Net From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Sep 17 18:06:07 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:06:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] U.K. Members. Tangyes Help ? Message-ID: <002701c7f990$19031df0$a949eedc@fred> Does anyone know if Peter Thwaites of Midford, West Yorkshire has an email Address? I believe he has the Tangye Register and may be able to help , I have a Tangyes (not Tangye) Eng.No.2211B, 5 1/2" Bore x 10" stroke and 36" Flywheel and would like to find out its age. Can anyone pass this message to him for me please. David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 17 18:35:18 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:35:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E85AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <004c01c7f65d$f2c2c2b0$d8484810$@net.au><960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E844A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6EA868ED-373F-4EC0-8C88-D033675BC417@alltel.net> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059047E85AF@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <572E834D-66B9-451F-8F7F-A6A0A695EB95@alltel.net> On Sep 17, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Best, George wrote: > Dave, > Has the ATIS tractor list had the same decline in postings? Website > forums are readily available for most makes or types of tractors. > George About 6-8 posts a day I would think. Dave From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 19:04:12 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag Message-ID: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, Here is a link to some pictures I just uploaded. I supposed I should call this a Maytag Rifle, but Shotgun Maytag is the term used so I stick with it. I did a lot of refining on the gun, but I think it was 1999 when I bought the whole works, Maytag single engine, the "gun" and the stand. Very funny story how I bought this whole thing for $80.00 too,,,,, 8>)) The P.O. said he had used it at least five years so this one has been around quite a while. Here's the link. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32587378&f=0 Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 11:56:27 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:56:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Did you tell the Amsoil Rep. that your motor had absolutely no roller type, or anti-friction bearings anywhere in it? All plain bearings. He may have a change of heart and it would be interesting to hear what he has to say about that. Just trying to save a valuable little Engine. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: Fw: Amsoil two stroke oil > Hi all > I contacted the only Amsoil Dealer in NSW, A1 OILS - Australia, and his > reply to my question about running my Maytags on Amsoil is below. > I did not want this thread to start off and take over the group again, so > just read it and take it in for what he says, as we have heard all the > pros and cons before. > The prices are in Aussie dollars and he sent me 6 .PDF files about the two > products below if anyone is interested, they are probably on the Amsoil > web site any how and his details for direct deposit to buy some. > I am going to get a quart and try it. > Any questions please contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au > > Regards > Peter, Oz > > > > > >> Hi Peter, >> Thank you for your enquiry regarding Amsoil products. >> >> There are no other distributors in NSW, but I am more than happy to send >> product to you whenever you need some. >> >> Sorry, about the late reply, I have been away for a few days on >> unexpected >> family business. >> >> Yep, there is no reason why your motor will not run beautifully well and >> clean on Amsoil. >> >> There are two different two-stroke oils to consider for your application. >> If >> you are going to use at 50:1 or richer you would be better off to use >> Amsoil >> Interceptor at $17 a quart (946ml). >> >> If you are going to run it at between 50 and 100:1 Amsoil Saber-Pro 100:1 >> will be better value for you. This is $19 a quart. >> >> Registered Post will be $11.00 on top of whichever of the above oils you >> choose to use. The reason postage seems dear is that Australia Post have >> a >> basic charge of nearly $9 per parcel plus a cost per kilo on top. >> >> I do give a 10% discount for box buys of 12. >> >> Don't stress though, your motor will run clean and sweet on any of >> Amsoil's >> Two Stroke oils. I will attach some info to help you make the choice. >> >> I will also attach my banking details in case you go ahead with an order. >> >> Thanking you, >> Peter Crossing >> A1 OILS - Australia > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: > 269.13.21/1010 - Release Date: 9/15/2007 7:54 PM > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Sep 17 20:37:25 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:37:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil...two stroke for older engines Message-ID: To Whom it may concern: When, many years ago, I had a small outboard cruiser with two 35 HP Evinrude two cylinder outboard engines, the engines being built around 1958, the manufacture suggested their brand of two stroke oil or, they said 30 weight non-detergent engine oil would do as well. I bought Mobil brand 30 weight non-detergent in five gallon cans and mixed it at 16 to 1, exactly as the Evinrude company and never had any trouble with those engines. I see no reason why the same oil wouldn't do well in the Maytag engines. The 92 running without load will do an excellent job of driving mosquitoes away. What would be fun to try would be to add a little moly to the fuel. It might keep those bearings cool even without much oil. I used to use it in the oil of an aircooled VW with good results. Ron Carroll Maytag Corral Clearmont, MIssouri ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 23:49:42 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:49:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Victor Cub Diesel pistons for sale in Oz Message-ID: <6f6025160709172349k5a2b5fcfo5e9ad04f9e206623@mail.gmail.com> Eddie has asked if this could be posted to the lists as he doesn't seem to be able to get emails through. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260160163717 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 18 02:48:28 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:18:28 +0930 Subject: [SEL] adelaide showgrounds 2007 References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> Some of the display by the Barossa Valley Machinery Preservation Society,Adelaide Showgrounds, september 2007. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4471407&a=32587483&p=75863026&f=0 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 18 03:52:09 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:52:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <47034F73-FD40-48C4-AF2D-4CEA2F3C57B5@alltel.net> > Just trying to save a valuable little Engine. > Skip For what reason? Dave From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Sep 18 06:52:48 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:52:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <47034F73-FD40-48C4-AF2D-4CEA2F3C57B5@alltel.net> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <47034F73-FD40-48C4-AF2D-4CEA2F3C57B5@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20070918105246.DF205229AB2@md5.pennswoods.net> Dave you never know when the power can go out and you may need to adapt it to the washing machine. R Fink At 06:52 AM 9/18/2007 -0400, you wrote: > > Just trying to save a valuable little Engine. > > Skip > >For what reason? > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: >9/14/2007 8:59 AM From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 18 04:10:19 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:10:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <20070918105246.DF205229AB2@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <47034F73-FD40-48C4-AF2D-4CEA2F3C57B5@alltel.net> <20070918105246.DF205229AB2@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <9029D776-1CDD-4E54-8CE3-3BB23230D2A7@alltel.net> Point well taken Richard, but at my age I can no longer kick one of the MISTAKES long enough for it to get through the entire washing cycle! Dave On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Richard Fink Sr wrote: > Dave you never know when the power can go out and you may need to > adapt it to the washing machine. > R Fink > > > > At 06:52 AM 9/18/2007 -0400, you wrote: >>> Just trying to save a valuable little Engine. >>> Skip >> >> For what reason? >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: >> 9/14/2007 8:59 AM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 18 04:46:36 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:46:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7CE82A71-51B9-4919-B47A-22BCA037C763@alltel.net> Very nice Alan. I've seen several of these at shows and they are ALWAYS a crowd pleaser! It was nice of your parole officer to sell it to you! Dave On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Howdy Folks, > Here is a link to some pictures I just uploaded. > I supposed I should call this a Maytag Rifle, but Shotgun Maytag > is the term used so I stick with it. > I did a lot of refining on the gun, but I think it was 1999 when I > bought the whole works, Maytag single engine, the "gun" and the > stand. Very funny story how I bought this whole thing for $80.00 > too,,,,, 8>)) The P.O. said he had used it at least five years so > this one has been around quite a while. > Here's the link. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32587378&f=0 > Alan Bowen From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 05:10:21 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <7CE82A71-51B9-4919-B47A-22BCA037C763@alltel.net> Message-ID: <739998.34252.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave !!!! P.O. is Previous Owner you silly geezer !!!! 8>)))) Yes this was a crowd pleaser. It just drove ME nuts. That is why it stays home now. Yesterday to take those pictures was the first time in six years that gun came out of it's wrapper and saw daylight. Actually it seemed kinda nice there yesterday. I couldn't find part of the exhaust hookup so I left the engine in the shop. 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan David Rotigel wrote: Very nice Alan. I've seen several of these at shows and they are ALWAYS a crowd pleaser! It was nice of your parole officer to sell it to you! Dave On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Howdy Folks, > Here is a link to some pictures I just uploaded. > I supposed I should call this a Maytag Rifle, but Shotgun Maytag > is the term used so I stick with it. > I did a lot of refining on the gun, but I think it was 1999 when I > bought the whole works, Maytag single engine, the "gun" and the > stand. Very funny story how I bought this whole thing for $80.00 > too,,,,, 8>)) The P.O. said he had used it at least five years so > this one has been around quite a while. > Here's the link. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32587378&f=0 > Alan Bowen --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 18 07:50:30 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:50:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech><004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <47034F73-FD40-48C4-AF2D-4CEA2F3C57B5@alltel.net> Message-ID: <005201c7fa03$43d13b20$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Because, there is only about a million of 'em left. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil >> Just trying to save a valuable little Engine. >> Skip > > For what reason? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: > 9/16/2007 6:32 PM > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 18 07:53:51 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:53:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil...two stroke for older engines References: Message-ID: <005c01c7fa03$ba9e7060$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Henry Ford would have just loved your idea, he even wen't so far as to put molybdenum in iron engine castings. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil...two stroke for older engines > To Whom it may concern: > > When, many years ago, I had a small outboard cruiser with two 35 HP > Evinrude > two cylinder outboard engines, the engines being built around 1958, the > manufacture suggested their brand of two stroke oil or, they said 30 > weight > non-detergent engine oil would do as well. I bought Mobil brand 30 weight > non-detergent in five gallon cans and mixed it at 16 to 1, exactly as the > Evinrude > company and never had any trouble with those engines. I see no reason > why the > same oil wouldn't do well in the Maytag engines. The 92 running without > load > will do an excellent job of driving mosquitoes away. > > What would be fun to try would be to add a little moly to the fuel. It > might keep those bearings cool even without much oil. I used to use it > in the > oil of an aircooled VW with good results. > > Ron Carroll > Maytag Corral > Clearmont, MIssouri > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: > 9/16/2007 6:32 PM > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Sep 18 08:00:47 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:00:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] adelaide showgrounds 2007 In-Reply-To: <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <7214B271-759F-44DA-AFFF-FC6D5ED97FE3@rustyiron.com> On Sep 18, 2007, at 2:48 AM, derek wrote: > Some of the display by the Barossa Valley Machinery Preservation > Society,Adelaide Showgrounds, september 2007. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto? > u=4471407&a=32587483&p=75863026&f=0 Thanks, mate! I especially liked the pictures of the Kaesler Bros. Rob From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 18 09:29:25 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:29:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] adelaide showgrounds 2007 In-Reply-To: <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <46EFFCE5.5090908@imc-group.com> Derek, Enjoyed seeing the photos. Thought the Reliance engine looked familiar. This one was south of you a couple of years ago. ('05 Narracoorte) Some interesting differences. Both are 4 1/2 HP. Yours pictured is s/n 106. The picture I took is of s/n 73. Amazing the differences in roughly 30 engines of production. Rocker arms and head are quite different. Was quite interested to see Adelaide, but time just didn't permit making it there. Perhaps next trip. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC derek wrote: > Some of the display by the Barossa Valley Machinery Preservation > Society,Adelaide Showgrounds, september 2007. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4471407&a=32587483&p=75863026&f=0 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Sep 18 09:35:59 2007 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:35:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <017d01c7fa11$ff3e75e0$0200a8c0@fbi> Now you need to put a video of it on YouTube!!! Here's a pic of a shotgun Maytag at Portland in 1999 Dolly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" > Here's the link. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32587378&f=0 > From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Sep 18 10:14:17 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:14:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" Message-ID: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> Hi Everyone, I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can tell me more about it? Although it is not an engine part (which makes it "off Topic") , if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this could have been used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night when the lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be engine related and therefore "On Topic". Thanks for looking: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 18 11:39:03 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:39:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <017d01c7fa11$ff3e75e0$0200a8c0@fbi> References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <017d01c7fa11$ff3e75e0$0200a8c0@fbi> Message-ID: WOW! It looks just like Alan's! Dave On Sep 18, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Jim French wrote: > Now you need to put a video of it on YouTube!!! > > Here's a pic of a shotgun Maytag at Portland in 1999 > > Dolly > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Bowen" > > >> Here's the link. >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32587378&f=0 >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Tue Sep 18 11:36:08 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:36:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <00a501c7fa22$c7e9d150$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Jerry, I'm sure it's a carbide lamp. The needle valve would be to adjust the water drip rate. I've a good picture book on carbide lamps at home, will check this evening or next to see if I find anything specifically like this. I expect most of the pics I have will be western hemisphere, however. Although a lot of this vintage stuff for probably both of us came from England. It looks like a very nice specimen, I'd pick it up in a heartbeat. Congratulations on a good find! B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:14 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" Hi Everyone, I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can tell me more about it? Although it is not an engine part (which makes it "off Topic") , if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this could have been used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night when the lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be engine related and therefore "On Topic". Thanks for looking: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Sep 18 11:38:07 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:38:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <46F01B0F.5070003@scrtc.com> Jerry, My guess is that a hose attached to the protruding brass part. Possilby it was then attached to a torch for jewelry welding, soldering, etc. Maybe it was a lamp but I think it possibly had a more "industrial" type use. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Everyone, > I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can tell me more >about it? > > Although it is not an engine part (which makes it "off Topic") , >if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this could have been >used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night when the >lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be engine related >and therefore "On Topic". > > Thanks for looking: > > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >See: >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm >or learn how to finish off your plates >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Sep 18 11:51:43 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:51:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <09e001c7fa24$f4cbc4b0$8335c53e@doc> Hi Jerry It's almost certainly an acetylene lamp that used calcium carbide. It looks very similar to a miner's / potholer's (spelunker's) cap lamp that I have, except there's no bracket for the hard-hat fitting, and the jet on mine isn't screwed, it has a taper fit. If it was a carbide lamp, it'll probably have a smell to this day, unmistakeable! All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jerry Evans > Sent: 18 September 2007 18:14 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" > > Hi Everyone, > I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can > tell me more > about it? > > Although it is not an engine part (which makes it > "off Topic") , > if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this > could have been > used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night when the > lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be > engine related > and therefore "On Topic". > > Thanks for looking: > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Sep 18 12:11:55 2007 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:11:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><017d01c7fa11$ff3e75e0$0200a8c0@fbi> Message-ID: <019e01c7fa27$c7b95930$0200a8c0@fbi> Duh!!!! In too much of a rush. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland/shotgun.jpg Dolly ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" > WOW! It looks just like Alan's! > Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 18 12:34:53 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:34:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Air Valve Message-ID: <20070918.153453.200.0.jlb94@juno.com> Mark Shulaw, At Sistersville, my Maytag wouldn't run. I took things apart and saw that the Air Valve in the carb was worn to extreme. Someone (Named Dave) gave me a newer Air Valve and that got me running. My Question. How does the Air Valve Seat come out? The manual says to press it out the top of the carb. Can the Air Valve Seat be turned over and reinstalled - or - is it best to buy new parts ? Do you have them ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Sep 18 12:39:08 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:39:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <46F01B0F.5070003@scrtc.com> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> <46F01B0F.5070003@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <09f601c7fa2b$94d8c380$8335c53e@doc> Funnily enough, I was just about to ask how big it was - if it's much more than four or five inches tall, it's probably an acetylene generator.... All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Judge Tommy Turner > Sent: 18 September 2007 19:38 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" > > Jerry, > My guess is that a hose attached to the protruding brass part. > Possilby it was then attached to a torch for jewelry welding, > soldering, > etc. Maybe it was a lamp but I think it possibly had a more > "industrial" type use. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >Hi Everyone, > > I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can > tell me more > >about it? > > > > Although it is not an engine part (which makes it > "off Topic") , > >if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this > could have been > >used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night > when the > >lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be > engine related > >and therefore "On Topic". > > > > Thanks for looking: > > > > > > > >Keep the revs up (or down) > >Jerry Evans > >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > >See: > >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > >or learn how to finish off your plates > >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 18 07:04:27 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:04:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster References: Message-ID: <000201c7fa37$5a619b80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > What would be fun to try would be to add a little moly to the fuel. It > might keep those bearings cool even without much oil. I used to use it > in the > oil of an aircooled VW with good results. Uncle Ron Do you have any singles with KIPS style power valves .......... yet ? Most of them use a really cool flyballish governor , which is why I ask . chuck From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Sep 18 14:55:16 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:55:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] adelaide showgrounds 2007 In-Reply-To: <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070919075201.01add058@ncable.com.au> G'day Derek, nice engines over your way. The Reliance was at Waikery Rally last weekend. Have some pic's of that rally still on my camera. Will try to find some time to post them. There was an Alan engine there said to be there earliest known to exhist, ?? No 537? I think it was. Nice vertical Blackstone also. Curt, you will have to come over for the next Aussie national, just down the road from Adelaide. At 07:48 PM 18/09/2007, you wrote: >Some of the display by the Barossa Valley Machinery Preservation >Society,Adelaide Showgrounds, september 2007. > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4471407&a=32587483&p=75863026&f=0 > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Sep 18 19:00:43 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:00:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil two stroke oil In-Reply-To: <9029D776-1CDD-4E54-8CE3-3BB23230D2A7@alltel.net> References: <001501c7f925$4cdaeab0$0601a8c0@altech> <004801c7f95c$7489bdc0$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> <47034F73-FD40-48C4-AF2D-4CEA2F3C57B5@alltel.net> <20070918105246.DF205229AB2@md5.pennswoods.net> <9029D776-1CDD-4E54-8CE3-3BB23230D2A7@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20070918230041.B380E229764@md5.pennswoods.net> Point heard Dave and realized can;t do it here also. Maybe to burn paint off old tractor??????????? R Fink At 07:10 AM 9/18/2007 -0400, you wrote: >Point well taken Richard, but at my age I can no longer kick one of >the MISTAKES long enough for it to get through the entire washing cycle! > Dave > >On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Richard Fink Sr wrote: > > > Dave you never know when the power can go out and you may need to > > adapt it to the washing machine. > > R Fink > > > > > > > > At 06:52 AM 9/18/2007 -0400, you wrote: > >>> Just trying to save a valuable little Engine. > >>> Skip > >> > >> For what reason? > >> Dave > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: > >> 9/14/2007 8:59 AM > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: >9/14/2007 8:59 AM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 16:42:38 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <019e01c7fa27$c7b95930$0200a8c0@fbi> Message-ID: <371112.66132.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, Helen. I have had that picture on my computer since you put it up. THAT picture is what made me what to make one. Then came the Fall 1999 Swap Meet at the Buckley Showgrounds. I went looking for a Maytag single because all I had at that time was a twin. There it was,,,, Sitting on the ground mounted to the most beautiful set of skids I have ever seen a Maytag on. The skids were Western Red Cedar. The whole set of skids were built from way too thin Cedar. The two runners were 3/4" X 2" and the cross boards that the engine was mounted to were 1/2" X 1 1/2" material. I walked up and asked ,"How Much?" He answered, "180 Bucks." I asked if it ran and he started kicking it over. It didn't sound like it would run so I asked, "How much now?" He just replied with the same price and I walked away. This was about 8:30 AM on Friday. All day Friday every time I came around that corner I asked, "How much now?" He was kicking at that engine all day. I made sure that I tried one last time about 6PM before I went home. "How much now?" By then I was getting a growl in response. Okay, Now it's Saturday,,, I showed up at 9AM and went right to his area. "How much this morning?" He actually replied, "180 Bucks." "Does it run this morning?" say I. So he kicks it another dozen times. Here we go again,,,, All day I keep asking and he keeps grunting. BTW, What I haven't mentioned is,,, Both days other people kept asking if it ran. He was kicking that engine all day both days. I was totally amazed those beautiful, but flimsy skids were holding up. About 4:30PM Saturday I was in one of those "right places at the right time" situations. I was just approaching that corner when I saw another man walk up and ask if it ran. I stopped right there to watch The owner started kicking it and I heard a little cracking sound. Then I started walking again,,,, What timing !!!! Just as I got there he gave the final kick. Those beautiful skids turned into a pile of pretty toothpicks. The other guy dropped his head and turned away. I paused for about two full seconds then asked, "How much NOW?" He replied, "Gimme eighty bucks and you can have it." I reached for the cash and he turned and walked away,,,,,, What NOW?, I think. He went into the side door of his trailer and held out this bright purple pipe attached to a bright purple brake drum. Then he walked further into the trailer and brought back this old stock with a tent pole attached to it. By attached,,, I mean it was taped to the stock with electrical tape. He handed that to me also. There I stood with the stand, the gun and eighty bucks all at once. He took the money then said, "Figured you might as well have the rest of it too." WHAT A DEAL !!!!! I took that Maytag home and set it on the picnic table. Sunday afternoon I walked up there and checked the gas. It smelt fresh. I grabbed the little mixture lever and flipped it to the right. Now remember,, That needle had been pointing straight up. The way it hit the tank made me want to check it out. I removed the screw then the lever. Then I turned that needle it another THREE AND A HALF TURNS !!!!!! That needle was way too many turns out. One kick and she would be flooded. I put the lever on so it shuts just barely before that lever hits the tank. Then I screwed together four pieces of 2 X 4 and screwed the engine to it's not-so-pretty skids. I sat the engine on the ground and kicked it just one time. The engine was running. I was amazed that it was that easy. I was also amazed that someone had it that far off. I went and got the shotgun parts and hooked then up. Sweet, said I,,,, Then I started working on the gun and I went to the hardware store and got some green paint for the stand. Anyone would have known the barrel was a tent pole,,, The tip of the "barrel" was the necked down area that was supposed to slide into the next pole. I cut that part off real quick. There it is,,, I went looking for an engine to use and got the whole thing way cheaper than I figured I would. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Jim French wrote: Duh!!!! In too much of a rush. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland/shotgun.jpg Dolly ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" > WOW! It looks just like Alan's! > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Sep 18 16:57:11 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:57:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag References: <371112.66132.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004001c7fa4f$a118b5a0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Alan We converted ones know how well they start, we just need Dave (The Evil One) to read your great story and then finally admit it too ;-)). Peter, Oz >I sat the engine on the ground and kicked it just one time. >The engine was running. I was amazed that it was that easy. >I was also amazed that someone had it that far off. >I went and got the shotgun parts and hooked then up. >Sweet, said I,,,, From b2 at chooka.net Tue Sep 18 17:04:52 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:04:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <001801c7fa50$b5222530$640aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Jerry, the observations about this maybe being a generator instead of a lamp are a good bet, based upon the outlet fixture. I have several generators, most of which fed a tip and reflector so the lamp was not affixed directly to the generator. These are inclined to be larger units, with the generator worn on the belt. That said, I did look for something like this in my lamp picture book and came up empty. The design of yours of clamping the bottom up to the top by use of the bail is unusual; most lamps had a bottom that screwed onto the top part of the lamp, much like a lid to a jar. I did find one that had clamping design like yours from the Wolf Safety Lamp Company, but otherwise it differed from yours. There is likely a name on the lamp somewhere when you get to cleaning it up. I'd be interested in knowing what you find about a manufacturer. Regards, B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:14 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" Hi Everyone, I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can tell me more about it? Although it is not an engine part (which makes it "off Topic") , if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this could have been used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night when the lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be engine related and therefore "On Topic". Thanks for looking: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 18 17:33:45 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:33:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag References: <371112.66132.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02df01c7fa54$be148080$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Love the story!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag > Yup, Helen. > I have had that picture on my computer since you put it up. > THAT picture is what made me what to make one. > Then came the Fall 1999 Swap Meet at the Buckley Showgrounds. > I went looking for a Maytag single because all I had at that time was a > twin. > > There it was,,,, Sitting on the ground mounted to the most beautiful set > of skids I have ever seen a Maytag on. The skids were Western Red Cedar. > The whole set of skids were built from way too thin Cedar. > The two runners were 3/4" X 2" and the cross boards that the engine was > mounted to were 1/2" X 1 1/2" material. > > I walked up and asked ,"How Much?" > He answered, "180 Bucks." > I asked if it ran and he started kicking it over. > It didn't sound like it would run so I asked, "How much now?" > > He just replied with the same price and I walked away. This was about > 8:30 AM on Friday. All day Friday every time I came around that corner I > asked, "How much now?" He was kicking at that engine all day. I made > sure that I tried one last time about 6PM before I went home. "How much > now?" By then I was getting a growl in response. > > Okay, Now it's Saturday,,, I showed up at 9AM and went right to his area. > "How much this morning?" > He actually replied, "180 Bucks." > "Does it run this morning?" say I. > So he kicks it another dozen times. > > Here we go again,,,, All day I keep asking and he keeps grunting. > BTW, What I haven't mentioned is,,, Both days other people kept asking if > it ran. > He was kicking that engine all day both days. > I was totally amazed those beautiful, but flimsy skids were holding up. > > About 4:30PM Saturday I was in one of those "right places at the right > time" situations. > > I was just approaching that corner when I saw another man walk up and ask > if it ran. I stopped right there to watch > The owner started kicking it and I heard a little cracking sound. > Then I started walking again,,,, What timing !!!! > Just as I got there he gave the final kick. > Those beautiful skids turned into a pile of pretty toothpicks. > The other guy dropped his head and turned away. > I paused for about two full seconds then asked, "How much NOW?" > He replied, "Gimme eighty bucks and you can have it." > I reached for the cash and he turned and walked away,,,,,, > What NOW?, I think. > He went into the side door of his trailer and held out this bright purple > pipe attached to a bright purple brake drum. Then he walked further into > the trailer and brought back this old stock with a tent pole attached to > it. By attached,,, I mean it was taped to the stock with electrical tape. > He handed that to me also. > > There I stood with the stand, the gun and eighty bucks all at once. > He took the money then said, "Figured you might as well have the rest of > it too." > > WHAT A DEAL !!!!! > > I took that Maytag home and set it on the picnic table. > > Sunday afternoon I walked up there and checked the gas. It smelt fresh. > I grabbed the little mixture lever and flipped it to the right. > Now remember,, That needle had been pointing straight up. > The way it hit the tank made me want to check it out. > I removed the screw then the lever. > Then I turned that needle it another THREE AND A HALF TURNS !!!!!! > That needle was way too many turns out. > One kick and she would be flooded. > > I put the lever on so it shuts just barely before that lever hits the > tank. > Then I screwed together four pieces of 2 X 4 and screwed the engine to > it's not-so-pretty skids. I sat the engine on the ground and kicked it > just one time. > The engine was running. I was amazed that it was that easy. > I was also amazed that someone had it that far off. > I went and got the shotgun parts and hooked then up. > Sweet, said I,,,, > > Then I started working on the gun and I went to the hardware store and got > some green paint for the stand. > Anyone would have known the barrel was a tent pole,,, The tip of the > "barrel" was the necked down area that was supposed to slide into the next > pole. I cut that part off real quick. > > > There it is,,, I went looking for an engine to use and got the whole > thing way cheaper than I figured I would. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > Jim French wrote: Duh!!!! In too much of a rush. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland/shotgun.jpg > > Dolly > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > > >> WOW! It looks just like Alan's! >> Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 18 19:23:55 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:23:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <004001c7fa4f$a118b5a0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <371112.66132.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004001c7fa4f$a118b5a0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: OK Peter, I admit that I read the "story." Now what is your point? Dave On Sep 18, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Alan > We converted ones know how well they start, we just need Dave (The > Evil One) > to read your great story and then finally admit it too ;-)). > Peter, Oz > >> I sat the engine on the ground and kicked it just one time. >> The engine was running. I was amazed that it was that easy. >> I was also amazed that someone had it that far off. >> I went and got the shotgun parts and hooked then up. >> Sweet, said I,,,, From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Sep 18 21:17:33 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:17:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster Message-ID: Hi Chuck, No, I don't have any with the KIPS power valve. In fact, I am so far behind technical developments that I had not heard of the KIPS power valves. Now that I know about them, I want one for my Maytag 92 and another for my Lambretta 200 SX. Thanks for leading me into the light. Ron In a message dated 9/18/2007 4:07:17 PM Central Daylight Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: Uncle Ron Do you have any singles with KIPS style power valves .......... yet ? Most of them use a really cool flyballish governor , which is why I ask . chuck ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 18 22:09:47 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:39:47 +0930 Subject: [SEL] adelaide showgrounds 2007 References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><008d01c7f9d9$12480e00$a5caae3a@chaos> <7.0.1.0.1.20070919075201.01add058@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001d01c7fa7b$4f922e10$46caae3a@chaos> I will be heading to Paskeville Field Days on monday, work :(, will see what they have there, then Roseworthy on the 13th or 14th oct. They are have a Big Engine themed weekend, run by the Gawler club. Crossley 51 hp Diesel single is mentioned as well as a Blackstone twin. Now how do i fool epson photocentre with a video? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] adelaide showgrounds 2007 > G'day Derek, nice engines over your way. The Reliance was at Waikery > Rally last weekend. Have some pic's of that rally still on my camera. > Will try to find some time to post them. There was an Alan engine > there said to be there earliest known to exhist, ?? No 537? I think > it was. Nice vertical Blackstone also. > > Curt, you will have to come over for the next Aussie national, just > down the road from Adelaide. > > > At 07:48 PM 18/09/2007, you wrote: From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Sep 18 06:57:22 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:57:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] coolspring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918095157.02ef6c10@pop3.wcoil.com> But at Coolsprings showing up a day or so early is not a bad thing. Mark At 10:42 PM 9/16/07, you wrote: >October 16, 17 & 18, 2008. > >Preston Foster >CPM Director > >Hi all, > I know that this request is more than a year in advance but I do > believe in forward planning if possible, so does anyone know when the > fall swap meet will be next year (2008). > >Thanks , Craig in Scotland >, Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Sep 18 06:19:09 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:19:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] coolspring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918091359.03c06c10@pop3.wcoil.com> Hello Preston, Thanks for the shout back. We had our monthly meeting last night and it was decided to feature Galloway engines in 08. That should gather in more then a few engines. I wanted to go a bit more exotic but Its thought that it will be an exhibitor pleaser. And I agree it should do well. Thank You, Mark Director NOAMA At 10:42 PM 9/16/07, you wrote: >October 16, 17 & 18, 2008. > >Preston Foster >CPM Director Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 19 01:08:22 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:08:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] coolspring (Findlay maybe?) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918091359.03c06c10@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918091359.03c06c10@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1190189302.46f0d8f67ad62@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Mark, That 2008 Galloway feature; is that for Findlay 2008? See ya, Arnie Quoting Mark Shulaw : > Hello Preston, > Thanks for the shout back. We had our monthly meeting last night and it > was decided to feature Galloway engines in 08. That should gather in more > then a few engines. I wanted to go a bit more exotic but Its thought that > it will be an exhibitor pleaser. And I agree it should do > well. Thank You, Mark Director NOAMA > > > > > At 10:42 PM 9/16/07, you wrote: > >October 16, 17 & 18, 2008. > > > >Preston Foster > >CPM Director > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > Bluffton, Ohio > Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > Home #419.358.5206 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Sep 19 09:36:09 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:36:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <0c1701c7fadb$2fa8ec50$8335c53e@doc> Jerry Please take a look at this site - http://www.acethylene.com/ I think what you have there is an Arras lamp.... The giveaway for me is the "flower" shape on the top of the needle valve stem. The website I mention has this to say: "Le pointeau est une partie fragile qui peut se casser facilement. Il est compos? d'une tige de laiton de 4 mm sur laquelle est soud? un robinet (viss? et/ou soud?) en une forme de fleur (sur la plupart des Arras)" which roughly translates as "The needle is a fragile part which can break easily. It is composed of a 4mm brass shaft on which is soldered a tap (screwed and/or soldered) in the form of a flower (on most Arras)". Also, the hook part of the screwed closure very much resembles the Arras lamps described. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jerry Evans > Sent: 18 September 2007 18:14 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" > > Hi Everyone, > I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can > tell me more > about it? > > Although it is not an engine part (which makes it > "off Topic") , > if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this > could have been > used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark night when the > lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it would be > engine related > and therefore "On Topic". > > Thanks for looking: > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 19 11:59:14 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:59:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster References: Message-ID: <004b01c7faef$2cc84a80$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Hi Chuck, > No, I don't have any with the KIPS power valve. In fact, I am so far > behind > technical developments that I had not heard of the KIPS power valves. Now > that I know about them, I want one for my Maytag 92 and another for my > Lambretta > 200 SX. Thanks for leading me into the light. > Ron Always have a minute for the word . heres one .... its a variable exhaust port http://www.dirtrider.net/justkdx/images/kipsvalves.gif Properly designed they work THats what they want the dominator oil for , these things . Chuck From b2 at chooka.net Wed Sep 19 12:10:13 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:10:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: <0c1701c7fadb$2fa8ec50$8335c53e@doc> References: <200709181953375.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> <0c1701c7fadb$2fa8ec50$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <00de01c7faf0$b5e4bc30$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Neat site! I wish I spoke more French, but can make out most of what it says. Great reference site, thanks for finding and posting about it. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Scales Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:36 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" Jerry Please take a look at this site - http://www.acethylene.com/ I think what you have there is an Arras lamp.... The giveaway for me is the "flower" shape on the top of the needle valve stem. The website I mention has this to say: "Le pointeau est une partie fragile qui peut se casser facilement. Il est compos? d'une tige de laiton de 4 mm sur laquelle est soud? un robinet (viss? et/ou soud?) en une forme de fleur (sur la plupart des Arras)" which roughly translates as "The needle is a fragile part which can break easily. It is composed of a 4mm brass shaft on which is soldered a tap (screwed and/or soldered) in the form of a flower (on most Arras)". Also, the hook part of the screwed closure very much resembles the Arras lamps described. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry > Evans > Sent: 18 September 2007 18:14 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Please identify this "lamp" > > Hi Everyone, > I came across this "lamp" and am hoping someone can tell me > more about it? > > Although it is not an engine part (which makes it "off > Topic") , if it is an illuminating lamp it could be argued that this > could have been used to find your way out to the engine room on a dark > night when the lighting plant / generator had stopped and then it > would be engine related and therefore "On Topic". > > Thanks for looking: > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Sep 19 12:09:10 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:09:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] RE. O.T. Please identify this "lamp" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070919201648.00abd5c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >Hi All, Thanks for the many replies. I think it has been positively identified as a carbide lamp (which was what I suspected but I'd never seen one before). On Jims list Ken Christison replied with this link to an old advert for a similar lamp: and Dave Croft sent this link: A Google image search for "carbide lamps" brings up many pictures of similar lamps as well as some info on how they work (cutaway drawings). I'm not going to answer each post from the SEL individually as there were many helpful replies. To answer a few questions from the SEL will be easier. 1)I think it is a bit small to be a generator - from pics and descriptions I've subsequently found on the net this one could almost be called a "Miniature Carbide Lamp" very similar in size to this one: 2) The tank is approx. 6" high (excluding the handle) and 3 3/4" diameter. Apologies for not including this on the page I put up. 3) The "gas pipe" (I referred to this as a nozzle) that sticks out the front is indeed missing a jet and I believe this was made of ceramic (although the link to the "Miniature" above mentions a "soapstone burner"). 4) The bracket seen above this gas pipe would have been for attaching a dished aluminium reflector, 5) I could not distinguish any smell. 6) There is no makers name on it but I did find the letters "SAS-SAR" stamped onto the handle which shows it belonged to our railways. (In Afrikaans "Suid Afrikanse Spoorwee" in English "South African Railways"). A friend of mine called past today and also identified it as a miners lamp similar to what had been used by his father. He had an interesting story to tell about them. When a "shift" ended the workers would empty their lamps out before handing them back to the store to be refilled for the next day. My friend tells that he had to go to the mine about every 2 weeks and gather up this grey sludge that they poured out and then use this stuff to paint his Dad's poultry and pigeon cages. It evidently was a very good method of preventing mites and lice from infesting the birds. Anyway, thanks for all the replies. When I saw it in the "junkshop" I just knew that I had to have it although I did not know exactly what it was. The shop owner said it was an oilcan but I knew it was not. Also got it for a bargain - less than US$ 4.00 I'm busy cleaning it up now and it's coming up pretty nicely. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Sep 19 05:52:58 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:52:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay 2008 Feature Engine GALLOWAY In-Reply-To: <1190189302.46f0d8f67ad62@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918091359.03c06c10@pop3.wcoil.com> <1190189302.46f0d8f67ad62@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070919084246.03025be0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Arnie, Yup 2008 Findlay feature is Galloway. That should be an interesting feature. Does Dave stiill have the Galloway-Maytag? I'm thinking about the one he exhibited at Portland a few years back with the chunk missing from the hopper rim? That magnetic Maytag sign fit real nice on the side of the hopper. I didn't realize till now that previous note had went to the list. Sorry about that. TTYL, Mark At 04:08 AM 9/19/07, you wrote: >Hi Mark, > >That 2008 Galloway feature; is that for Findlay 2008? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Mark Shulaw : > > > Hello Preston, > > Thanks for the shout back. We had our monthly meeting last night and it > > was decided to feature Galloway engines in 08. That should gather in more > > then a few engines. I wanted to go a bit more exotic but Its thought that > > it will be an exhibitor pleaser. And I agree it should do > > well. Thank You, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 19 18:55:24 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:55:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay 2008 Feature Engine GALLOWAY In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070919084246.03025be0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918091359.03c06c10@pop3.wcoil.com> <1190189302.46f0d8f67ad62@webmail.city-net.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070919084246.03025be0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <836EBB7D-6F21-4EEA-BE88-76B1A1168ACB@alltel.net> Hi Mark, The 16 HP Galloway will be there FOR SURE! I think I even know where the MAYTAG sign is and will be sure to bring it along in order to make a proper display! (I may need a reminder, however, as time draws near!) Dave PS, There have been a few changes since the MAYTAG sign hung on the Galloway at Portland. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html On Sep 19, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hi Arnie, > Yup 2008 Findlay feature is Galloway. That should be an > interesting feature. > Does Dave stiill have the Galloway-Maytag? I'm thinking about the > one he > exhibited at Portland a few years back with the chunk missing from the > hopper rim? > That magnetic Maytag sign fit real nice on the side of the hopper. > I didn't realize till now that previous note had went to the list. > Sorry > about that. > TTYL, Mark > > > At 04:08 AM 9/19/07, you wrote: >> Hi Mark, >> >> That 2008 Galloway feature; is that for Findlay 2008? >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Mark Shulaw : >> >>> Hello Preston, >>> Thanks for the shout back. We had our monthly meeting last >>> night and it >>> was decided to feature Galloway engines in 08. That should >>> gather in more >>> then a few engines. I wanted to go a bit more exotic but Its >>> thought that >>> it will be an exhibitor pleaser. And I agree it should do >>> well. Thank You, Mark > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, > Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From JR504 at aol.com Wed Sep 19 21:07:30 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:07:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster Message-ID: About 4 weeks ago I was riding my KIPS Equipped Kawasaki KDX and impaled my knee on a tree branch. It penetrated the joint far enough to yank my off the bike, split my MCL, and crack my femur. I'm walking again, even though it's still slow going. I'm not sure Maytags need KIPS Valves. They are already noisy enough. It would be easier to put Ski-Doos RAVE Valves on them anyway. Joe In a message dated 9/19/2007 3:05:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Chuck, > No, I don't have any with the KIPS power valve. In fact, I am so far > behind > technical developments that I had not heard of the KIPS power valves. Now > that I know about them, I want one for my Maytag 92 and another for my > Lambretta > 200 SX. Thanks for leading me into the light. > Ron Always have a minute for the word . heres one .... its a variable exhaust port http://www.dirtrider.net/justkdx/images/kipsvalves.gif Properly designed they work THats what they want the dominator oil for , these things . Chuck _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Sep 19 22:46:58 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:46:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster Message-ID: Hi Joe, I am sorry to hear your KIPS Equipped Kawasaki impaled your knee, split my MCL and cracked your femur. I wish you a good recovery. I would say speedy recovery but perhaps speed is involved enough already. What is your MCL? Do you recommend the Ski-Doo RAVE over the KIPS for the Maytag? Most of the Maytag torque occurs when it is either turning very slowly or stopped and is most noticeable as a resistance to movement. Can the Ski-Doo RAVE enhance Maytag performance? I was going to ask Evil Dave about the feasibility of filling the dead sections of the crankcase with Bondo to increase intake compression but I am afraid he'll only suggest I fill the whole thing and let it set up before trimming it. Anyway, I am certainly excited about all the advancements in the two-stroke world and it appears that the reality of the 40 HP Maytag will soon be achieved. Yes, I know there is a picture of one already but I suspect it was staged. Be well. Respectfully and with sympathy, Ron Mid-continent Maytag Preservation Plantation In a message dated 9/19/2007 11:08:29 PM Central Daylight Time, JR504 at aol.com writes: About 4 weeks ago I was riding my KIPS Equipped Kawasaki KDX and impaled my knee on a tree branch. It penetrated the joint far enough to yank my off the bike, split my MCL, and crack my femur. I'm walking again, even though it's still slow going. I'm not sure Maytags need KIPS Valves. They are already noisy enough. It would be easier to put Ski-Doos RAVE Valves on them anyway. Joe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 20 04:56:35 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:56:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil the final chapter Message-ID: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All, Here is a reply from Amsoil USA Peter, Oz Peter, Use the Saber Professional (ATP), but rather than a 100:1 mix ratio, use it at first at a 50:1 mix ratio. If it smokes too much, then slowly lean it out until you get a mix that does not smoke as much. This will perform well with the bushings in that Maytag application. Thank you, Aaron N. Anderson AMSOIL Technical Services From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 20 06:45:02 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:45:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil the final chapter In-Reply-To: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net> Hi Pete, I'm pretty sure that the 4,000:1 (which I recommended to you earlier) will "not smoke as much" as the 50:1. Try the 4,000:1 first and then make it a bit richer after running THE MISTAKE for an hour or so. No need to thank me for the advice. I'm always glad to help out a fellow MISTAKE owner! Dave PS, For those of you new to the List my collection of MISTAKES (and Craig Prucha's 40 HP MAYTAG) can be viewed at: http:// www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html PPS, Peter, you had BETTER get to portland in august of 2008--I will loan you one of my MISTAKES if you want to exhibit a static display! On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi All, > Here is a reply from Amsoil USA > Peter, Oz > > Peter, > Use the Saber Professional (ATP), but rather than a 100:1 mix > ratio, use it > at first at a 50:1 mix ratio. If it smokes too much, then slowly > lean it > out until you get a mix that does not smoke as much. This will > perform well > with the bushings in that Maytag application. > > Thank you, > Aaron N. Anderson > AMSOIL Technical Services From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Sep 20 07:08:06 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:08:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay 2008 Feature Engine GALLOWAY In-Reply-To: <836EBB7D-6F21-4EEA-BE88-76B1A1168ACB@alltel.net> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20070918091359.03c06c10@pop3.wcoil.com> <1190189302.46f0d8f67ad62@webmail.city-net.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070919084246.03025be0@pop3.wcoil.com> <836EBB7D-6F21-4EEA-BE88-76B1A1168ACB@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070920100206.034380f0@pop3.wcoil.com> Thats a deal. Remind me to remind ya. GRINN. There sure was some changes, I kinda liked her the way she was. But if you had not restored her we would not have this complete photo record of Ted Brookover detailing an engine from start to finish. A restoration well worth it if for no other reason then to imortalize Ted in action. Sincerely, Mark At 09:55 PM 9/19/07, you wrote: >Hi Mark, > The 16 HP Galloway will be there FOR SURE! I think I even know > where >the MAYTAG sign is and will be sure to bring it along in order to >make a proper display! (I may need a reminder, however, as time draws >near!) > Dave >PS, There have been a few changes since the MAYTAG sign hung on the >Galloway at Portland. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ >trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From JR504 at aol.com Thu Sep 20 07:21:34 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:21:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster Message-ID: Hi Ron, The MCL is the ligament that runs down inner side of the knee. The stick went through it and split it lengthwise. It is still attached at both ends, just has a hole in the middle of it. Thanks for the well wishes. Maytags don't spin very fast, at least in comparison the modern 2 strokes, so I don't think KIPS or RAVE valves would help them much. The KIPS valves on my Kawi don't start to open until 6,000 RPMS and the engine tops out near 10,000 RPMs. My Ski-Doo with the RAVE valves top out at around 9,500 RPMs. If you are seriously trying to wake a Maytag up a little I would bet filling in the base and a mild port/polish job would be the smartest/easiest path. You also might be able to make an insert for the area above the piston that changes the squish area, but that's a lot more work when there's no separate head. Joe In a message dated 9/20/2007 1:48:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: What is your MCL? Do you recommend the Ski-Doo RAVE over the KIPS for the Maytag? Most of the Maytag torque occurs when it is either turning very slowly or stopped and is most noticeable as a resistance to movement. Can the Ski-Doo RAVE enhance Maytag performance? I was going to ask Evil Dave about the feasibility of filling the dead sections of the crankcase with Bondo to increase intake compression but I am afraid he'll only suggest I fill the whole thing and let it set up before trimming it. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 20 14:49:55 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:49:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil the final chapter References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> <16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net> Message-ID: <000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> Dave wrote: > PPS, Peter, you had BETTER get to portland in august of 2008--I will > loan you one of my MISTAKES if you want to exhibit a static display! I would be honoured to display your wondrous little Maytag at Portland, now to save the $$$$$ ;-)) It would make showing such a breeze, it would start first kick and run all day allowing my to visit the swap meet and not have to top up the gas until later that afternoon ;-)) Peter, Oz From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 20 16:10:07 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:10:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil the final chapter In-Reply-To: <000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> <16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net> <000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <8C263784-DD95-44E8-A21E-C5A98EFEE885@alltel.net> On Sep 20, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Dave wrote: >> PPS, Peter, you had BETTER get to portland in august of 2008--I will >> loan you one of my MISTAKES if you want to exhibit a static display! > > > I would be honoured to display your wondrous little Maytag at > Portland, now > to save the $$$$$ ;-)) > It would make showing such a breeze, it would start first kick and > run all > day allowing my to visit the swap meet and not have to top up the > gas until > later that afternoon ;-)) > > Peter, Oz The one that I was thinking about loaning you would not have to be topped up for the entire show! Seriously Peter, all of us up top would love to see you again at Portland! The dollar is currently low enough that your exchange rate is GOOD. Start saving $$$$ now and you will be in good shape by the beginning of August! Dave From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 20 17:46:53 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:46:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster References: Message-ID: <007901c7fbe8$e8240e50$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Hi Ron, > The MCL is the ligament that runs down inner side of the knee. The stick > went through it and split it lengthwise. It is still attached at both > ends, > just has a hole in the middle of it. Thanks for the well wishes. > jeeminy dood OWowowowowowowow . My condolences to your cartilge and wish for a swift recovery .gotta have them sewed in kneepads man I wont kick one over without em . My knee its the ground 200 times before I finally get around to landing on my head . > Maytags don't spin very fast, at least in comparison the modern 2 strokes, > so I don't think KIPS or RAVE valves would help them much. Its a Maytag dude , it doesnt have to do much of anything besides change the ehaust note a little and have plenty of cool lookin' whirling brass bits . From JR504 at aol.com Thu Sep 20 21:48:45 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:48:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag Torque Monster Message-ID: I just want to say a quick thanks to all the well wishers. I appreciate your thoughts. I'm wobbling around with a big leg brace right now, and I expect to be back at full capacity in about another month. Time will tell, but it's looking pretty good so far. Thanks to everyone again, Joe > Hi Ron, > The MCL is the ligament that runs down inner side of the knee. The stick > went through it and split it lengthwise. It is still attached at both > ends, > just has a hole in the middle of it. Thanks for the well wishes. > jeeminy dood OWowowowowowowow . My condolences to your cartilge and wish for a swift recovery .gotta have them sewed in kneepads man I wont kick one over without em . My knee its the ground 200 times before I finally get around to landing on my head . ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 20 22:05:18 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:05:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Is that sweet International still available? On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:58 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Whassup? You forgot the most important attribute of your > "dedicated trailer" > engines; namely that you're up and running and enjoying a cold beer > while I'm > still unloading engines from the trailer!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270164286660 From oldironnut at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 06:09:12 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:09:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> Howdy gang, As I was looking at a picture of an IHC Famous, a random thought crossed my mind. Could you convert a low tension battery/coil fired IHC Famous over to a low tension mag fired engine and make it look "original?" If so, what would it take? Thanks, Mike From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 06:19:27 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:19:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Yup. I'll take it to the Coolspring swap in October and see if anyone is interested there. If you and Kelley are going to be there I can also bring the Austral so that you two will have something with which to play! Dave On Sep 21, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Is that sweet International still available? > > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:58 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> Whassup? You forgot the most important attribute of your >> "dedicated trailer" >> engines; namely that you're up and running and enjoying a cold beer >> while I'm >> still unloading engines from the trailer!! >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270164286660 From oldironnut at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 06:23:47 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:23:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <46F3C5E3.3060104@alltel.net> David Rotigel wrote: > If you and Kelley are going to be there I can also bring the Austral so that you two will have something with which > to play! > If they're BOTH going to be there then by definition they both have something with which to play ;-) ! Mike From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Sep 21 06:34:53 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:34:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Dave, do you have a paint code handy for your Famous? Friend has a 12 hp he's workin' on. TIA, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay > Yup. I'll take it to the Coolspring swap in October and see if anyone > is interested there. If you and Kelley are going to be there I can > also bring the Austral so that you two will have something with which > to play! > Dave > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > > > Is that sweet International still available? > > > > > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:58 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > > >> Whassup? You forgot the most important attribute of your > >> "dedicated trailer" > >> engines; namely that you're up and running and enjoying a cold beer > >> while I'm > >> still unloading engines from the trailer!! > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270164286660 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 07:04:31 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:04:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <7FE531F6-30D8-4DAB-B86A-CD6FBF7D385C@alltel.net> OMNI AE--mae 71310 c ihc oxblood red Dave On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Dave, do you have a paint code handy for your Famous? Friend has a > 12 hp > he's workin' on. > > TIA, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:19 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay > > >> Yup. I'll take it to the Coolspring swap in October and see if anyone >> is interested there. If you and Kelley are going to be there I can >> also bring the Austral so that you two will have something with which >> to play! >> Dave >> >> On Sep 21, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >>> >>> Is that sweet International still available? >>> >>> >>> On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:58 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >>> >>>> Whassup? You forgot the most important attribute of your >>>> "dedicated trailer" >>>> engines; namely that you're up and running and enjoying a cold beer >>>> while I'm >>>> still unloading engines from the trailer!! >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>>> ViewItem&rd=1&item=270164286660 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengineman at hotmail.com Fri Sep 21 07:13:49 2007 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:13:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement. My 6 hp. screen colled hit & miss Famous came with this conversion. How do I know it was changed? When I got the engine the original battery saver contacts were still in place thus indicating that the engine was originally furnished as a battery & coil fired ignitor engine. Pete Stauffer > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:09:12 -0400> From: oldironnut at alltel.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...."> > Howdy gang,> > As I was looking at a picture of an IHC Famous, a random thought crossed > my mind. Could you convert a low tension battery/coil fired IHC Famous > over to a low tension mag fired engine and make it look "original?" If > so, what would it take?> > Thanks,> Mike> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From Frank at lbpinc.com Fri Sep 21 07:14:22 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:14:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070921142115.ED36657D92@gw1.nlenet.net> I met a man at some shows this summer who takes extensive pictures of the shows. Here is a link to two good shows in the Rochester NY area Alexander '07: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4001561&a=30747490&f= Canandaigua '07: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4001561&a=30222776&f=0 My setup is at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4001561&a=30222776&p=75776266&f=0 It makes people smile and it gets me a good parking place at the shows. Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From oldironnut at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 07:35:24 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:35:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> Peter Stauffer wrote: > Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement. Pete, Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to try and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907 model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about? Thanks, Mike From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 21 08:05:08 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:05:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: <7FE531F6-30D8-4DAB-B86A-CD6FBF7D385C@alltel.net> References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> <7FE531F6-30D8-4DAB-B86A-CD6FBF7D385C@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46F3DDA4.5020007@imc-group.com> Dave, Ur slippin'. I just knew you were going to answer Rick with a simple "yes". Curt P.S. Rick, there is a color code for the very dark green for the flywheels you need too. I don't have that info here at work, but I bet someone will have the info handy...... David Rotigel wrote: > OMNI AE--mae 71310 c ihc oxblood red > Dave > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > >> Dave, do you have a paint code handy for your Famous? Friend has a >> 12 hp >> he's workin' on. >> >> TIA, >> RickinMt. >> >> >> From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 21 08:23:11 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:23:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <20070921142115.ED36657D92@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> <20070921142115.ED36657D92@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <46F3E1DF.4020509@imc-group.com> Frank DeWitt wrote: > I met a man at some shows this summer who takes extensive pictures of > the shows. Here is a link to two good shows in the Rochester NY area > > Alexander '07: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4001561&a=30747490&f= > > > Canandaigua '07: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4001561&a=30222776&f=0 > Frank, I keep telling myself that I gotta get to Canandaigua some year. Your photos confirm that, wow what a nice show with a great mix of engines, tractors, and steam. Hell I'd even watch the tractor pull to see hot babes like this pulling! Hey I bet antique gas engines pulled with Audi wagons are few and far between. You're traveling in style! Thanks for sharing the photos.....really enjoyed them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > > My setup is at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4001561&a=30222776&p=75776266&f=0 > > It makes people smile and it gets me a good parking place at the shows. > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 21 08:35:33 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46F3E4C5.5070808@imc-group.com> Mike, I have no clue if the 8HP and 4HP share the same bracket and mag, but if you learn they do, I have the setup for my engine and would gladly looks for a p/n on the bracket and take a few pictures. FWIW Ken Meeks was peddling the bracket and mag for a Famous a few years ago for $1000! He sold it and as you know he doesn't bend on his prices much. Curt Michael Tucker wrote: > Peter Stauffer wrote: > >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement. >> > > Pete, > > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to try > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907 > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about? > > Thanks, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Sep 21 08:31:20 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:31:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <46F3E1DF.4020509@imc-group.com> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech><20070921142115.ED36657D92@gw1.nlenet.net> <46F3E1DF.4020509@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590489FC5A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Curt, Just means he spends more on cars than he does on engines ;-) Of course if you go to end shows in Europe, you'll see some really nice engines being pulled by cars. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:23 AM Hey I bet antique gas engines pulled with Audi wagons are few and far between. You're traveling in style! Thanks for sharing the photos.....really enjoyed them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 09:47:46 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:47:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> Message-ID: <97D0A393-C175-4D4A-BBC0-7E07252415D9@alltel.net> On Sep 21, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Michael Tucker wrote: > Peter Stauffer wrote: >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, >> Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement. > > Pete, > > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to > try > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907 > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about? > > Thanks, > Mike 1913 according to Doc Schuster. Dave From oldironnut at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 09:57:36 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:57:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <97D0A393-C175-4D4A-BBC0-7E07252415D9@alltel.net> References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> <97D0A393-C175-4D4A-BBC0-7E07252415D9@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46F3F800.6070702@alltel.net> David Rotigel wrote: >> My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907 >> model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about? >> > 1913 according to Doc Schuster. Thanks for the info Dave. So were mags even available on IHC Famous engines before 1913? Mike From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 21 10:10:14 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:10:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <20070921142115.ED36657D92@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> <20070921142115.ED36657D92@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: > > My setup is at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto? > u=4001561&a=30222776&p=75776266&f=0 > It makes people smile and it gets me a good parking place at the > shows. > > Frank That's a good looking display Frank. Self contained, easy to haul and educational! Dave From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Sep 21 10:53:48 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:53:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." Message-ID: <380-220079521175348468@coastalnet.com> >From doing a few minutes searching patents, I see that Podlesak patented the mag in 1913, and it was reissued and assigned to Webster Electric in 1915, so perhaps that would be the beginning date of manufacture. There were also improvements made for several years. Take care. Ken > > 1913 according to Doc Schuster. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengineman at hotmail.com Fri Sep 21 11:40:43 2007 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:40:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <97D0A393-C175-4D4A-BBC0-7E07252415D9@alltel.net> References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> <97D0A393-C175-4D4A-BBC0-7E07252415D9@alltel.net> Message-ID: Mike, My 6 hp Famous was built in 1911, hence it was fitted from the factory with battery and coil ignitor ignition. Webster made the conversion kits available for many engines so that the user could update their engine to the latest and greatest form of ignition (at least in Webster's opinion) and at the same time do away with troublesome batteries. I'll try to get some pictures of the setup on my engine this weekend. Pete > From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:47:46 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...."> > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Michael Tucker wrote:> > > Peter Stauffer wrote:> >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, > >> Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement.> >> > Pete,> >> > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks> > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to > > try> > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907> > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about?> >> > Thanks,> > Mike> > 1913 according to Doc Schuster.> Dave> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words?? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink From Frank at lbpinc.com Fri Sep 21 12:32:43 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:32:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures Message-ID: <20070921194116.69B8B594A0@gw1.nlenet.net> Here is a pix of the lower board I can't put power to most of this. Note the condolet mounted outlets, and the sockets with bare terminals. http://lbpinc.com/lower%20bd.jpg Frank From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Sep 21 13:49:48 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:49:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com> <46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> <97D0A393-C175-4D4A-BBC0-7E07252415D9@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46F42E6C.3000004@scrtc.com> I have a 6 HP Famous that has the flat bar Webster on it. What year did the flat bars come into use? Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > >Mike, > >My 6 hp Famous was built in 1911, hence it was fitted from the factory with battery and coil ignitor ignition. Webster made the conversion kits available for many engines so that the user could update their engine to the latest and greatest form of ignition (at least in Webster's opinion) and at the same time do away with troublesome batteries. I'll try to get some pictures of the setup on my engine this weekend. > >Pete > > >>From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:47:46 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...."> > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Michael Tucker wrote:> > > Peter Stauffer wrote:> >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, > >> Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement.> >> > Pete,> >> > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks> > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to > > try> > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907> > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about?> >> > Thanks,> > Mike> > 1913 according to Doc Schuster.> Dave> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! >http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 21 14:00:48 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:00:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures References: <20070921194116.69B8B594A0@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <007f01c7fc92$7cb1f290$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Man you got em all , only thing missing is a butter knife hanging by a ball chain . > Note the condolet mounted outlets, and the sockets with bare terminals. > > http://lbpinc.com/lower%20bd.jpg > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Sep 21 15:55:51 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:55:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." References: <00f801c7e9cd$6a462d60$240110ac@FAMILY> <46D5B838.6040902@imc-group.com><46F3C278.3000701@alltel.net> <46F3D6AC.8090201@alltel.net> Message-ID: <038401c7fca2$91c35e70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Mike, I had a Jack Junior that I ran, including starting, with a auto fan motor with a rubber roller on the shaft, that was mounted with spring pressure against the bottom of one flywheel. Also, there were dc generators made to be fitted to do away with batteries. The primary windings of an HT mag will supply enough power to fire an igniter too. So, a mag with stuffed secondary windings can be used with minor internal mods. Lastly, there are a lot of AC low tension generators, called LT Mags. any one can be fitted with a chain or gear drive to your engine. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." > Peter Stauffer wrote: >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, Tri-polar >> Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement. > > Pete, > > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to try > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907 > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about? > > Thanks, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri Sep 21 17:20:07 2007 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:20:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." Message-ID: In a reprint IHC catalog, which I'm pretty sure is a 1912 edition, it shows the flat bar Webster. The same catalog also shows a Wizard mag, and an Autosparker used on IHC engines, both of these show up on ebay from time to time. These were mounted on a bracket and driven off of the flywheel rim. My 8hp IHC has the Autosparker, the engine was started with the battery & coil, then switched over to the Autosparker. Dwight ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Sep 21 18:46:19 2007 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:46:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <46F42E6C.3000004@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20070922014623.154A939241A@mx-in04.iad.mail-abuse.org> Tommy, One of my IHC parts books list the flat bars on 08-09's Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." I have a 6 HP Famous that has the flat bar Webster on it. What year did the flat bars come into use? Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > >Mike, > >My 6 hp Famous was built in 1911, hence it was fitted from the factory with battery and coil ignitor ignition. Webster made the conversion kits available for many engines so that the user could update their engine to the latest and greatest form of ignition (at least in Webster's opinion) and at the same time do away with troublesome batteries. I'll try to get some pictures of the setup on my engine this weekend. > >Pete > > >>From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:47:46 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...."> > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Michael Tucker wrote:> > > Peter Stauffer wrote:> >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor bracket, > >> Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip arrangement.> >> > Pete,> >> > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in a way that looks> > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where would I go to > > try> > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous is a 1907> > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about?> >> > Thanks,> > Mike> > 1913 according to Doc Schuster.> Dave> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! >http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Sep 21 19:24:45 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:24:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." In-Reply-To: <20070922014623.154A939241A@mx-in04.iad.mail-abuse.org> References: <20070922014623.154A939241A@mx-in04.iad.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <46F47CED.5040000@scrtc.com> I had been told by someone that the flatbars began in '07 but I didn't know if that was correct or not. Maybe so based on the catalog you have. My old 6 HP that has the flat bar is a story of contrasts. The mag was taken off the engine in the teens. The gent didn't want it to get wet so it was placed in the shop. The engine was parked under a tree out back. It sat there for 60 years. The mag sat in the shop the same number. The mag looks almost new. The engine looks like heck. One of these days I'll put it back to match the mag....... yeah, one of these days. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Jim O'Hagan wrote: >Tommy, One of my IHC parts books list the flat bars on 08-09's > >Jim O'Hagan >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy >Turner >Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:50 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could you...." > >I have a 6 HP Famous that has the flat bar Webster on it. What year did >the flat bars come into use? > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, Ky > > > > >>Mike, >> >>My 6 hp Famous was built in 1911, hence it was fitted from the factory with >> >> >battery and coil ignitor ignition. Webster made the conversion kits >available for many engines so that the user could update their engine to the >latest and greatest form of ignition (at least in Webster's opinion) and at >the same time do away with troublesome batteries. I'll try to get some >pictures of the setup on my engine this weekend. > > >>Pete >> >> >> >> >>>From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:47:46 -0400> To: >>> >>> >sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Famous "Could >you...."> > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Michael Tucker wrote:> > > Peter >Stauffer wrote:> >> Webster offered a conversion that included the ignitor >bracket, > >> Tri-polar Mag, and the necessary parts for the trip >arrangement.> >> > Pete,> >> > Thanks for the info! OK, so it CAN be done in >a way that looks> > reasonably original. Now for the hard part.....where >would I go to > > try> > and find these parts? My screen cooled, 4 hp Famous >is a 1907> > model....when did the Webster Tri-polar mag come about?> >> > >Thanks,> > Mike> > 1913 according to Doc Schuster.> Dave> >_______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! >>http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 22 02:58:04 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:58:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Amsoil the final chapter References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech><16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net><000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> <8C263784-DD95-44E8-A21E-C5A98EFEE885@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001401c7fcff$11d74890$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Dave Looks like it is an 80% chance of me coming over for Portland 2008. So let's all plan to be there and have another real International Hoot and beer tasting like last time. Peter, Oz > The one that I was thinking about loaning you would not have to be > topped up for the entire show! Seriously Peter, all of us up top > would love to see you again at Portland! The dollar is currently low > enough that your exchange rate is GOOD. Start saving $$$$ now and you > will be in good shape by the beginning of August! > Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 22 04:39:52 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:39:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=250163461257&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015 http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in areas, say, like La Habra? From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 05:50:37 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:50:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Boy, That's a NEAT unit! I wish I had seen it! I'll bet I could have had Jim and Dolly pick it up for me. Dave On Sep 22, 2007, at 7:39 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&rd=1&item=250163461257&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015 > > http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs > > > Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya > think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, > so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in > areas, say, like La Habra? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 06:09:16 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:09:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: <378989BA-3454-4772-9666-48A6D9EDA914@alltel.net> Will this government WELFARE program survive? See: http:// www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297681,00.html Dave From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 22 07:23:36 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:23:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net><7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au><02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Bamford on eBay > Boy, That's a NEAT unit! I wish I had seen it! I'll bet I could have > had Jim and Dolly pick it up for me. > Dave > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 7:39 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >> ViewItem&rd=1&item=250163461257&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015 >> http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs >> Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya >> think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, >> so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in >> areas, say, like La Habra? -engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Hi Dave, Its only 10 miles away from me. If anyone bought it I could pick it up & store it until transport was arranged. I cannot arrange any international transport however but would help anyone that could. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 11:44:29 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:44:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net><7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au><02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: On Sep 22, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Dave Croft wrote: > > >> Boy, That's a NEAT unit! I wish I had seen it! I'll bet I could have >> had Jim and Dolly pick it up for me. >> Dave > > Hi Dave, Its only 10 miles away from me. > If anyone bought it I could pick it up & store it > until transport was arranged. > I cannot arrange any international transport however > but would help anyone that could. > Dave Croft Hi Dave, I'll see if I can find out it the unit is still available and see what it will take to buy it. It looks like an excellent price if the seller has set his reserve close to the starting price. I'll be in touch if I can make a deal on it! THANKS!!!!!!! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 12:45:13 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:45:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <0A3A9A6A-D447-4B39-91F5-28B7E9F0DE27@alltel.net> > http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs > > > Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya > think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, > so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in > areas, say, like La Habra? I'm wondering (now that I think about this a bit longer) why Arnie didn't jump on it. I know he is interested in pumping water at shows and that he has several "searches" going all the time on the UK eBay. I've sent several posts to Arnie, but no response. Perhaps he has been called back to Korea. Dave PS, Perhaps I'm premature on this. Arnie usually only posts to the List when he is at work! Perhaps I'll hear from him on Monday. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 22 13:13:36 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:13:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net><7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au><02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <2ADA5F45-8E43-45B9-B2AA-7454F2F758F3@rustyiron.com> On Sep 22, 2007, at 11:44 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > I'll see if I can find out it the unit is still available and see > what it will take to buy it. It looks like an excellent price if the > seller has set his reserve close to the starting price. I'll be in > touch if I can make a deal on it! THANKS!!!!!!! > Dave Ya bloody vulture! Swooping in for the kill, are ya? Is there no honor left in the world? From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 11:41:42 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:41:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <6f6025160709221141s3688663bk82de67b1b35760d1@mail.gmail.com> On 22/09/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Dave, > I'll see if I can find out it the unit is still available and see > what it will take to buy it. It looks like an excellent price if the > seller has set his reserve close to the starting price. I'll be in > touch if I can make a deal on it! THANKS!!!!!!! > Dave We can get it down to 'Dolly Country', we are up that way soon and can take the trailer up, although it will probably go in the van. Pick up from Dave Croft or the vendor if you get a deal sorted. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 14:29:54 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:29:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <6f6025160709221141s3688663bk82de67b1b35760d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> <6f6025160709221141s3688663bk82de67b1b35760d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2684CB99-6815-4D6E-A24C-8ADC1B565091@alltel.net> On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 22/09/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > >> Hi Dave, >> I'll see if I can find out it the unit is still available >> and see >> what it will take to buy it. It looks like an excellent price if the >> seller has set his reserve close to the starting price. I'll be in >> touch if I can make a deal on it! THANKS!!!!!!! >> Dave > > We can get it down to 'Dolly Country', we are up that way soon and can > take the trailer up, although it will probably go in the van. > > Pick up from Dave Croft or the vendor if you get a deal sorted. > > Peter Hi Peter, It's GREAT to have friends (all over the world!) THANKS! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 14:31:56 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:31:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <2ADA5F45-8E43-45B9-B2AA-7454F2F758F3@rustyiron.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net><7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au><02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> <2ADA5F45-8E43-45B9-B2AA-7454F2F758F3@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: On Sep 22, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 11:44 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > >> I'll see if I can find out it the unit is still available and see >> what it will take to buy it. It looks like an excellent price if the >> seller has set his reserve close to the starting price. I'll be in >> touch if I can make a deal on it! THANKS!!!!!!! >> Dave > > Ya bloody vulture! > Swooping in for the kill, are ya? > Is there no honor left in the world? Hi Rob, Are you interested in the unit? I had no idea! If I get it we can flip for it. Is that fair enough with you? Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 22 14:38:46 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:38:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net><7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au><02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> <2ADA5F45-8E43-45B9-B2AA-7454F2F758F3@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <2EF1F3DA-4453-43DA-8DF0-985EA97EAAF4@rustyiron.com> On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:31 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Rob, Are you interested in the unit? I had no idea! If I get it we > can flip for it. Is that fair enough with you? > Dave Right on, bro. Paper-scissors-rock doesn't work via email. Heads or tails, I don't care. You choose. Have Jennie flip for us. Rob From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Sep 22 15:14:21 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:14:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks and IHC manuals needed Message-ID: <200709230023984.SM00824@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, I seem to remember that someone posted a link to a manual for a Fairbanks Morse ZC a few months ago. A friend has a 6 H.P. and I'd like to get the manual for him, Does anyone know where there is one. I'm also looking for a manual for and IHC "M" 6 H.P. if anyone knows where I can download one. All help appreciated. Thanks Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). 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Republic of South Africa From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 05:23:32 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:23:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160709220523ie1f55f9m75e98ae337a0fb8b@mail.gmail.com> On 22/09/2007, Rob Skinner wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&rd=1&item=250163461257&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015 > > http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs > > > Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya > think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, > so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in > areas, say, like La Habra? > Looks like the OV1 5hp vertical, like the way he says: "Low starting price, no reserve" It's too high a starting price for the unit, although it is probably worth the asking price. If he had started at ?250 he would probably have sold it for ?300+ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 16:30:55 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:30:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <6f6025160709220523ie1f55f9m75e98ae337a0fb8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <6f6025160709220523ie1f55f9m75e98ae337a0fb8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C62EE2E-89E7-4FF8-A984-22194929E5E3@alltel.net> On Sep 22, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 22/09/2007, Rob Skinner wrote: >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >> ViewItem&rd=1&item=250163461257&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015 >> http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs >> Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya >> think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, >> so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in >> areas, say, like La Habra? > > Looks like the OV1 5hp vertical, like the way he says: > "Low starting price, no reserve" > It's too high a starting price for the unit, although it is probably > worth the asking price. > If he had started at ?250 he would probably have sold it for ?300+ > Peter WOW Peter, A similar unit on this side of the pond (with a Hercules or Witte engine) would sell for at least US$1,800.00 (maybe MORE.) Perhaps I'm missing something--what is the current exchange rate? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 22 16:33:21 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:33:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <2EF1F3DA-4453-43DA-8DF0-985EA97EAAF4@rustyiron.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com><1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net><7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au><02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <005701c7fd24$2adf5d80$f04d0b52@intrepid> <2ADA5F45-8E43-45B9-B2AA-7454F2F758F3@rustyiron.com> <2EF1F3DA-4453-43DA-8DF0-985EA97EAAF4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: On Sep 22, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:31 PM, David Rotigel wrote: >> Hi Rob, Are you interested in the unit? I had no idea! If I get it we >> can flip for it. Is that fair enough with you? >> Dave > > Right on, bro. Paper-scissors-rock doesn't work via email. Heads or > tails, I don't care. You choose. Have Jennie flip for us. > > Rob Let's see if I can make a deal on the unit first--then we will flip! Dave PS, Why wouldn't paper-scissors-rock work between us on e-mail? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 22 22:17:52 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:17:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 - The Aussie Invasion In-Reply-To: <001401c7fcff$11d74890$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech><16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net><000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> <8C263784-DD95-44E8-A21E-C5A98EFEE885@alltel.net> <001401c7fcff$11d74890$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <1190524672.46f5f7008b9f2@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Pete, Two words mate... Bundy Rum. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Just for grins, see if you can drag Reg and Kerry across the pond with ya! PPS - Now we just need to work on that English & Scottish mob. Quoting Peter Lowe : > Looks like it is an 80% chance of me coming over for Portland 2008. > So let's all plan to be there and have another real International Hoot and > beer tasting like last time. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 22 22:49:50 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:49:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1190526590.46f5fe7e50fba@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Rob, Dunno how to break it to ya bro.... That ain't hard water out your way. That's TAR!! 8-)) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Brea_Tar_Pits Tar ale... Who knows, might be tasty. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Rob Skinner : > http://tinyurl.com/35fwbs > > Assuming someone was able to cut a deal with the seller, whadaya > think? English ales get their characteristics from the hard water, > so would this unit be able to pump the extra hard water found in > areas, say, like La Habra? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Sep 22 22:33:20 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 - The Aussie Invasion References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech><16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net><000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech><8C263784-DD95-44E8-A21E-C5A98EFEE885@alltel.net><001401c7fcff$11d74890$0601a8c0@altech> <1190524672.46f5f7008b9f2@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <015a01c7fda3$412c7e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I am planning! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; "Peter Lowe" Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2008 - The Aussie Invasion > G'day Pete, > > Two words mate... Bundy Rum. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Just for grins, see if you can drag Reg and Kerry across the pond > with ya! > PPS - Now we just need to work on that English & Scottish mob. > > Quoting Peter Lowe : > >> Looks like it is an 80% chance of me coming over for Portland 2008. >> So let's all plan to be there and have another real International Hoot >> and >> beer tasting like last time. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 23 13:42:42 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:42:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: References: <200709230023765.SM00824@new.databak.co.za> <20070922234519.792AB2EE16@ns3.xcountry.tv> <002a01c7fd7b$2421ad20$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61> <5.2.1.1.0.20070923172706.00b1b938@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1190575354.46f6bcfa1d4ea@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1190580162.46f6cfc24fec6@webmail.city-net.com> Or to put it another way Peter, you can't organize anarchy. 8-)) A Wiki is no better or worse than any other source (net, book, scrawl on a restroom wall). If the info is critical to your well being, you bloody well better do multi-source confirmation. The beauty of the Wiki concept is that those who have a passion can and will contribute. And as Rob sez, the process is painless. To all engine men and women... Go forth and publish to the Wiki!! See ya, Arnie PS - I can't WAIT to see Dave's piece on Fred's Mistake (and Ron & Mark's rebuttals). Quoting Rob Skinner : > On Sep 23, 2007, at 12:22 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > OK folks, who's gonna be the first to write their bit in Wikipedia? > > > Me first! Me first! > > Wiki on Richard Hornsby. There was already an article, so I added > the bit titled "Entry into the internal combustion engine market." > > ALSO, I created a category named "Stationary Engines". Whatever > wiki entries you make, please make sure to add it to the Stationary > Engine category. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stationary_engine > Rob > > P.S. > Try it out. It's not as hard as it looks. Even if you just have a > sentence or two, type it in. The beauty of wiki is that other people > can come by later and fill in the blanks. > > P.P.S. > DAVE! Wiki on Maytag. No one has said anything about Fred's > Mistakes. Now is your chance to immortalize your thoughts on these > smoke spewing abominations. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 15:13:18 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <630246.95330.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay Folks, I am puzzled here, I just looked at my Epson PhotoCenter site and where did the 804 people come from that have hit that Shotgun Maytag folder? That seems like a lot of hits since I just posted the address to these two engine lists. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Alan Bowen wrote: Howdy Folks, Here is a link to some pictures I just uploaded. I supposed I should call this a Maytag Rifle, but Shotgun Maytag is the term used so I stick with it. I did a lot of refining on the gun, but I think it was 1999 when I bought the whole works, Maytag single engine, the "gun" and the stand. Very funny story how I bought this whole thing for $80.00 too,,,,, 8>)) The P.O. said he had used it at least five years so this one has been around quite a while. Here's the link. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32587378&f=0 Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 23 15:50:45 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:50:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <630246.95330.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <630246.95330.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FE38F28-ACDE-4862-B4EE-D25D0CFD5366@alltel.net> On Sep 23, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Okay Folks, > I am puzzled here, > I just looked at my Epson PhotoCenter site and where did the 804 > people come from that have hit that Shotgun Maytag folder? > Alan Bowen They all came from a union of a sperm and an egg! Dave PS, Books, school, eat! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 08:23:27 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:23:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 - The Aussie Invasion In-Reply-To: <015a01c7fda3$412c7e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> <16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net> <000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> <8C263784-DD95-44E8-A21E-C5A98EFEE885@alltel.net> <001401c7fcff$11d74890$0601a8c0@altech> <1190524672.46f5f7008b9f2@webmail.city-net.com> <015a01c7fda3$412c7e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160709230823t62b667ej89557f006e4fa19c@mail.gmail.com> On 23/09/2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > I am planning! > Reg & Marg Ingold. No good planning, get the tickets! and bring Margie this time.... We are committed to next year's show. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 18:29:42 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:29:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford on eBay In-Reply-To: <6C62EE2E-89E7-4FF8-A984-22194929E5E3@alltel.net> References: <46EBCEBD.7030708@scrtc.com> <1FBF7154-5E2D-4E19-B8EE-78F592665A4E@alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20070917082654.01ac3658@ncable.com.au> <02264522-1B80-4C9E-8042-F6B0649376DB@rustyiron.com> <6f6025160709220523ie1f55f9m75e98ae337a0fb8b@mail.gmail.com> <6C62EE2E-89E7-4FF8-A984-22194929E5E3@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160709221829k2debe086r6d58bc72027cfd22@mail.gmail.com> On 23/09/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > Looks like the OV1 5hp vertical, like the way he says: > > "Low starting price, no reserve" > > It's too high a starting price for the unit, although it is probably > > worth the asking price. > > If he had started at ?250 he would probably have sold it for ?300+ > > Peter > > WOW Peter, A similar unit on this side of the pond (with a Hercules > or Witte engine) would sell for at least US$1,800.00 (maybe MORE.) > Perhaps I'm missing something--what is the current exchange rate? > Dave Firstly, it is not a 'rare' or collectable engine, although it is interesting. Secondly it is a heavy lump and therefore not as easily handled than a smaller engine, which would put people off over here. Different if it had been a 'Tulip Top' Bamford which is much more collectable. Exchange rate is $2.009 to the ?STG at present. Don't forget also that we don't have the heavy transportation kit over here that you guys have in the 'States, most people only have family cars with less than a ton total trailer weight. People like us who are able to use the larger vans etc for towing are a minority generally. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From milo at hughes.net Sun Sep 23 18:37:55 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:37:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <630246.95330.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <924325.71570.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <630246.95330.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c7fe4b$8df674d0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen >Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:13 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Cc: Old Engine.Org List >Subject: Re: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag > >Okay Folks, > >I am puzzled here, >I just looked at my Epson PhotoCenter site and where did the 804 people >come from that have hit that Shotgun Maytag folder? > >That seems like a lot of hits since I just posted the address to these two >engine lists. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > Well Howdy Alan! Long time no see. All my fault. Got caught up in the "corporate" machine. Liked to tore me up, mentally, and physically. Retired the end of August. Been looking at a Russell Road Patrol Grader. Might be my first "big" project. It has a McCormick Deering F-20, or 1020 engine. The engine is "stuck" but looks like it's been out of the weather enough, to be salvable. We'll see. Looking forward to getting re-acquainted with everyone. Peace Milo No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: 9/22/2007 1:27 PM From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Sep 24 03:25:59 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:25:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Can someone help Gary with Listeroid info - he is thinking of buying one to run a generator at home Message-ID: <46F790B7.2080001@steamengine.com.au> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: Indian copy Listers Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:45:40 +1000 From: Gary McDonnell To: Paul Pavlinovich References: <37D78104A9424740B9D14867A3597D6F19B7F7 at pskfs02.kens.peterstevens.org> <46F63C59.1070003 at steamengine.com.au> Please do Paul .Having it straight from the horses mouth is the best way Regards Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Paul Pavlinovich [mailto:paulp at steamengine.com.au] *Sent:* Sunday, 23 September 2007 8:14 PM *To:* Gary McDonnell *Subject:* Re: Indian copy Listers Gary McDonnell wrote: Hi Paul. Have you had any dealings with Indian made lister diesel engine copies? I have bought land and the cost of putting grid power on is horrendous so I was planning to make my Own ! I have seen Chinese A/C generator heads married to these Lister copies. Regards GAry Hi Gary, No I haven't. I have several friends in the USA who have them. Would you like me to pass on your address to them? Regards Paul From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Sep 24 03:29:18 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:29:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> <7FE531F6-30D8-4DAB-B86A-CD6FBF7D385C@alltel.net> <46F3DDA4.5020007@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Howdy Curt; Yes, I'm sure my friend would appreciate an Omni paint code for the green flywheels also. He is also looking for the many removed parts that were taken off. It's a shame these log splitter engines are so bare. If anyone knows of any 12hp Famous tank cooled parts, including the head...sure he'd appreciate it. Best Regards, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay > Dave, Ur slippin'. I just knew you were going to answer Rick with a > simple "yes". > Curt > P.S. Rick, there is a color code for the very dark green for the > flywheels you need too. I don't have that info here at work, but I bet > someone will have the info handy...... > > David Rotigel wrote: > > OMNI AE--mae 71310 c ihc oxblood red > > Dave > > > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > > >> Dave, do you have a paint code handy for your Famous? Friend has a > >> 12 hp > >> he's workin' on. > >> > >> TIA, > >> RickinMt. > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 24 04:31:40 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:31:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Identify engine part please Message-ID: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Can anyone identify this barrel for me please. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/my%20engines/identify.htm Peter, Oz From svsuzanne at copper.net Mon Sep 24 05:50:55 2007 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:50:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <378989BA-3454-4772-9666-48A6D9EDA914@alltel.net> References: <378989BA-3454-4772-9666-48A6D9EDA914@alltel.net> Message-ID: I cannot believe that someone did not check this out before they made the stuff. Sounds like a tabloid to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Will this government WELFARE program survive? See: http:// > www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297681,00.html > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: > 9/22/2007 1:27 PM > > From svsuzanne at copper.net Mon Sep 24 05:50:55 2007 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:50:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <378989BA-3454-4772-9666-48A6D9EDA914@alltel.net> References: <378989BA-3454-4772-9666-48A6D9EDA914@alltel.net> Message-ID: <009F2F3242874F9CB9DE86F5EE02D75B@DanPC> I cannot believe that someone did not check this out before they made the stuff. Sounds like a tabloid to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Will this government WELFARE program survive? See: http:// > www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297681,00.html > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: > 9/22/2007 1:27 PM > > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 24 06:28:47 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:58:47 +0930 Subject: [SEL] paskeville, south aust. 2007 References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32589881&f= A deserted paskeville display area, From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 24 06:47:32 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:47:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <009F2F3242874F9CB9DE86F5EE02D75B@DanPC> References: <378989BA-3454-4772-9666-48A6D9EDA914@alltel.net> <009F2F3242874F9CB9DE86F5EE02D75B@DanPC> Message-ID: <55134855-58FB-48EB-A283-DDC992C7788C@alltel.net> Hh Suzanne, Sounds to me as if you are making money off this government WELFARE program! Dave On Sep 24, 2007, at 8:50 AM, wrote: > I cannot believe that someone did not check this out before they > made the > stuff. Sounds like a tabloid to me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" tractor.com>; > "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:09 AM > Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> Will this government WELFARE program survive? See: http:// >> www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297681,00.html >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: >> 9/22/2007 1:27 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Sep 24 06:53:48 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:53:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] paskeville, south aust. 2007 In-Reply-To: <000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos> References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech> <000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com> At 09:28 AM 9/24/07, you wrote: >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32589881&f= > > >A deserted paskeville display area, Hi Derek, Are you saying this Is a small showing for this event? If so what do you think was the cause? Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 24 07:17:15 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:47:15 +0930 Subject: [SEL] paskeville, south aust. 2007 References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech><000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos> <6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos> It was setup day, no engines running. I could have loaded my empty truck and driven away, there was not an owner to be seen. Will see what it is like in 3 days when i have to go back. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] paskeville, south aust. 2007 > At 09:28 AM 9/24/07, you wrote: >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32589881&f= >> From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 08:59:22 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:59:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag References: <630246.95330.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005001c7fec3$dfd2cb00$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > That seems like a lot of hits since I just posted the address to these two > engine lists. Maybe someone put it on a message board somewhere From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 11:55:39 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:55:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki References: <200709230023765.SM00824@new.databak.co.za><20070922234519.792AB2EE16@ns3.xcountry.tv><002a01c7fd7b$2421ad20$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61><5.2.1.1.0.20070923172706.00b1b938@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1190575354.46f6bcfa1d4ea@webmail.city-net.com> <1190580162.46f6cfc24fec6@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> >> > OK folks, who's gonna be the first to write their bit in Wikipedia? >> I see the line , "Mathis Texas also intersects with the highest orbits of the brasss era motorcycle , antique engine, and machinegun collectiing fraternities " has been removed , and my IP blocked . LOL Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 24 13:17:29 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <200709230023765.SM00824@new.databak.co.za><20070922234519.792AB2EE16@ns3.xcountry.tv><002a01c7fd7b$2421ad20$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61><5.2.1.1.0.20070923172706.00b1b938@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1190575354.46f6bcfa1d4ea@webmail.city-net.com> <1190580162.46f6cfc24fec6@webmail.city-net.com> <007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Damn control freaks!! Wonder what they'll do with some of the better Maytag entries? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > >> > OK folks, who's gonna be the first to write their bit in Wikipedia? > >> > > I see the line , "Mathis Texas also intersects with the highest orbits of > the brasss era motorcycle , > antique engine, and machinegun collectiing fraternities " has been removed > , and my IP blocked . LOL From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 12:55:16 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Shotgun Maytag In-Reply-To: <005001c7fec3$dfd2cb00$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <840704.14483.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Could be,, It just keeps going. 866 a minute ago. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Chuck Balyeat wrote: > That seems like a lot of hits since I just posted the address to these two > engine lists. Maybe someone put it on a message board somewhere _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 13:51:08 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:51:08 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I tend to agree it does sounds like scaremongery notice the heading states "may produce more greenhouse gases" they also mention that the test was done by burning? how ie by internal combustion we are not sure how does the fuel rate after being processed by the emission controls in the vehicle we dont know i am suspect on it the first professor was being causious about not jumping on the bandwagon about biofuels i think we should do the same would prefer to see more actual info relating to the tests they performed as what is written is not conclusive in any way brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of svsuzanne at copper.net Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:51 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! I cannot believe that someone did not check this out before they made the stuff. Sounds like a tabloid to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Will this government WELFARE program survive? See: http:// > www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297681,00.html > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: > 9/22/2007 1:27 PM > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 14:01:17 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:01:17 +1200 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Chuck i just checked out your site i thought your electrolsis info was very clear with good explanations i agree with you with the mollasas treatment it works very well thanks for sharing brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 6:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki >> > OK folks, who's gonna be the first to write their bit in Wikipedia? >> I see the line , "Mathis Texas also intersects with the highest orbits of the brasss era motorcycle , antique engine, and machinegun collectiing fraternities " has been removed , and my IP blocked . LOL Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Sep 24 14:51:29 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:51:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] paskeville, south aust. 2007 In-Reply-To: <000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos> References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech> <000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos> <6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com> <000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070925075054.01b00c30@ncable.com.au> Derek when you go back get some more info on the "model" hornsby, looks interesting? regards Russell At 12:17 AM 25/09/2007, you wrote: >It was setup day, no engines running. I could have loaded my empty truck >and driven away, there was not an owner to be seen. > Will see what it is like in 3 days when i have to go back. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Shulaw" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:23 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] paskeville, south aust. 2007 > > > > At 09:28 AM 9/24/07, you wrote: > >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32589881&f= > >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 24 15:07:35 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:07:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <200709230023765.SM00824@new.databak.co.za><20070922234519.792AB2EE16@ns3.xcountry.tv><002a01c7fd7b$2421ad20$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61><5.2.1.1.0.20070923172706.00b1b938@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1190575354.46f6bcfa1d4ea@webmail.city-net.com> <1190580162.46f6cfc24fec6@webmail.city-net.com> <007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <6A621590-AED4-42FD-A3EA-B1177A1280F9@rustyiron.com> On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > > I see the line , "Mathis Texas also intersects with the highest > orbits of > the brasss era motorcycle , > antique engine, and machinegun collectiing fraternities " has > been removed > , and my IP blocked . LOL Hi Chuck, That's the first place I looked last night, knowing that you wikified da hood well over a year ago. Sadly, it appears that da man smacked you down. Bummer. From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 24 15:24:53 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:24:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Got you all stump again Message-ID: <001201c7fef9$bb205a80$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All Looks like I got you stump again on the barrel http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/my%20engines/identify.htm Does anyone know a good link to a marine engine web site to ask them? Peter, Oz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 16:27:05 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:27:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki References: <200709230023765.SM00824@new.databak.co.za><20070922234519.792AB2EE16@ns3.xcountry.tv><002a01c7fd7b$2421ad20$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61><5.2.1.1.0.20070923172706.00b1b938@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1190575354.46f6bcfa1d4ea@webmail.city-net.com><1190580162.46f6cfc24fec6@webmail.city-net.com><007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6A621590-AED4-42FD-A3EA-B1177A1280F9@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <00fb01c7ff02$6b4acc30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Sadly, it appears that da man smacked you down. Bummer.>>>rob /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// And its all true . I do tend toward hyperbole sometimes , but that was no excageration . The flame cock , hot tube safety etc that I darted out in patent Websterspeak, were all replaced by something that was replaced by something else and so forth , long before I made my fateful jibe . I think the flame cock stuff is entirely gone now with only a sorta footnote( that they suck , and they sure do in a cool way ) . Just dont get too attached , or spend a bunch of time and get your knickers in a twist when they nuke it . It is more of a bathroom wall than a repository of anything . Like a newspaper with 20 million editors , that never makes it to print You've no doubt heard the saying "Those who write on bathroom walls ," . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/BALYEATAUTO.html From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 16:40:36 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:40:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki References: Message-ID: <00fc01c7ff04$4f44ced0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Kia ora vato ! I think that Trusty was from over your way . They got piles of cool Victorian stuff just laying around for the pickin I hear . Chuck > Chuck i just checked out your site i thought your electrolsis info was > very > clear with good explanations i agree with you with the mollasas treatment > it > works very well thanks for sharing brent > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 16:58:14 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:58:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The road to bypass References: <00fc01c7ff04$4f44ced0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <001401c7ff06$c574eed0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Is paved with bologne sandwichs !!! In case you missed it --- and you mustnt http://www.flashbackfab.com/pages/excel03.html Its a 1919 Excelsior boardtracker OHC engne and all , fabbed from a photo of the right hand side . Not this photo ! http://www.khulsey.com/motorcycles/zoom_excelsior.html Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 24 17:02:25 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:02:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nixon auction October 20 Message-ID: <003101c7ff07$5af77810$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Anyone going to this auction on Ogden, Utah on October 20??? I would love photos of the three R&V engines for sale and also serial numbers. http://nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/nelson_listing/ http://nixonauctioneers.com/listings/pictures/nelson/Root%20&%20Vandervoort%204%206%208%20HP.jpg Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 24 17:47:43 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:47:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <00fb01c7ff02$6b4acc30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <200709230023765.SM00824@new.databak.co.za><20070922234519.792AB2EE16@ns3.xcountry.tv><002a01c7fd7b$2421ad20$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61><5.2.1.1.0.20070923172706.00b1b938@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1190575354.46f6bcfa1d4ea@webmail.city-net.com><1190580162.46f6cfc24fec6@webmail.city-net.com><007701c7fedc$805060c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <6A621590-AED4-42FD-A3EA-B1177A1280F9@rustyiron.com> <00fb01c7ff02$6b4acc30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <9796249A-68F3-44F7-8148-9B17F90F98DA@rustyiron.com> On Sep 24, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > Just dont get too attached , or spend a bunch of time and get your > knickers in a twist when they nuke it Right on. Last night I started putting hyperlinks to other engine related wikis and found a lot of errors. I corrected a few, then came across one wiki that was just so screwed up that there was no way to fix it. So I quit. I did my part, now I'm done. If anyone needs precise technical information, they're best off coming here. Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 24 18:13:19 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:13:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 - The Aussie Invasion In-Reply-To: <6f6025160709230823t62b667ej89557f006e4fa19c@mail.gmail.com> References: <002901c7fb7d$4b6f7d30$0601a8c0@altech> <16F75333-8A00-4824-992C-EDB3AD51631B@alltel.net> <000801c7fbd0$2e8f2190$0601a8c0@altech> <8C263784-DD95-44E8-A21E-C5A98EFEE885@alltel.net> <001401c7fcff$11d74890$0601a8c0@altech> <1190524672.46f5f7008b9f2@webmail.city-net.com> <015a01c7fda3$412c7e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6f6025160709230823t62b667ej89557f006e4fa19c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sep 23, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 23/09/2007, R & M Ingold wrote: >> I am planning! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > No good planning, get the tickets! and bring Margie this time.... > We are committed to next year's show. > Peter Given the interest in Portland 2008 from everyone outside the US it appears as if we yanks may be outnumbered! Dave From JR504 at aol.com Mon Sep 24 19:27:30 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:27:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, this is nothing more than a mouthpiece article for big oil, taking a shot at Biodiesel and Alternative Fuels. This is very old news and written in a way to make it sound like something that it's not. The emissions that they're referring to is NOx emissions (NO, NO2, NO3) that is formed under high combustion chamber temps. The tiny increases that you normally see with Biodiesel (from 100ppm to 102ppm on my car during cruise) can very easily be compensated for by increasing EGR gasses, or retarding injection timing by a degree (1.5 degrees on my '99 VW TDI). For a long time these increases were disputed because they are small enough to be camouflaged by normal margins of error in dynomometer testing. The latest Diesels have catalysts that virtually eliminate NOx emissions out the tailpipe, so the 2% increase out of the combustion chamber doesn't mean anything. Tailpipe emissions between the 2 fuels on engines equipped with modern exhaust systems is identical, at least in terms of NOx. Soot is much lower with Biodiesel. Joe Rappa Mexico, NY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 24 19:42:36 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:42:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <588A60F4-EF4A-4215-8141-D15E95408854@alltel.net> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for farmers? Dave On Sep 24, 2007, at 10:27 PM, JR504 at aol.com wrote: > At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, > this is > nothing more than a mouthpiece article for big oil, taking a shot at > Biodiesel and Alternative Fuels. This is very old news and written > in a way to make > it sound like something that it's not. The emissions that they're > referring > to is NOx emissions (NO, NO2, NO3) that is formed under high > combustion > chamber temps. The tiny increases that you normally see with > Biodiesel (from > 100ppm to 102ppm on my car during cruise) can very easily be > compensated for by > increasing EGR gasses, or retarding injection timing by a degree > (1.5 degrees > on my '99 VW TDI). For a long time these increases were disputed > because > they are small enough to be camouflaged by normal margins of error in > dynomometer testing. The latest Diesels have catalysts that > virtually eliminate NOx > emissions out the tailpipe, so the 2% increase out of the > combustion chamber > doesn't mean anything. Tailpipe emissions between the 2 fuels on > engines > equipped with modern exhaust systems is identical, at least in > terms of NOx. Soot > is much lower with Biodiesel. > > Joe Rappa > Mexico, NY From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 19:39:32 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:39:32 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joe that puts things in perspective as far as i am aware the biofuels are much cleaner and greener i am surprised the big oil companies havent cottoned on to complaining about the gas emissions from cows causing global warming ..i suppose i should write that quietly. I still wonder why the steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was stopped could even be run on biofuels . brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:28 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, this is nothing more than a mouthpiece article for big oil, taking a shot at Biodiesel and Alternative Fuels. This is very old news and written in a way to make it sound like something that it's not. The emissions that they're referring to is NOx emissions (NO, NO2, NO3) that is formed under high combustion chamber temps. The tiny increases that you normally see with Biodiesel (from 100ppm to 102ppm on my car during cruise) can very easily be compensated for by increasing EGR gasses, or retarding injection timing by a degree (1.5 degrees on my '99 VW TDI). For a long time these increases were disputed because they are small enough to be camouflaged by normal margins of error in dynomometer testing. The latest Diesels have catalysts that virtually eliminate NOx emissions out the tailpipe, so the 2% increase out of the combustion chamber doesn't mean anything. Tailpipe emissions between the 2 fuels on engines equipped with modern exhaust systems is identical, at least in terms of NOx. Soot is much lower with Biodiesel. Joe Rappa Mexico, NY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From JR504 at aol.com Mon Sep 24 19:50:00 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:50:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for farmers? Dave I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing proposition. We burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? Definitely backwards economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar into 80 cents and think they've come out ahead. Joe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From JR504 at aol.com Mon Sep 24 19:50:43 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:50:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:48:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz writes: I still wonder why the steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was stopped could even be run on biofuels . brent ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From JR504 at aol.com Mon Sep 24 19:53:51 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:53:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:48:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz writes: I still wonder why the steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was stopped could even be run on biofuels . brent Hi Brent, Sorry for the previous blank email. I was too fast with my trigger finger and hit the "Send" key. The reason Steam stuff went away is simple. It is simply too inefficient. External combustion engines (including steam) waste WAY too much energy. Think roughly half the fuel economy. They definitely would run on biofuels though. Joe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Sep 24 20:13:40 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:13:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <017e01c7ff22$14aad760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust > emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was > stopped I must take you to task over this. The fuel burnt to create the steam, was a pollutant. Thus, they were NOT pollution free. Its half truths like this, spread by those who know zilch about what they are flapping their lips about, that is allowing a LOT of 'behind the scenes' people to gain money and positions of power. A bit of thought would show you that change is and has been going on since we appeared on this planet. It will continue after we are extinct. What we do has a lot less effect than earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms, etc. Sorry, but I just 'burst' at this latest bit of drivel! Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Joe that puts things in perspective as far as i am aware the biofuels are > much cleaner and greener i am surprised the big oil companies havent > cottoned on to complaining about the gas emissions from cows causing > global > warming ..i suppose i should write that quietly. I still wonder why the > steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust > emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was > stopped could even be run on biofuels . brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:28 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, this > is > nothing more than a mouthpiece article for big oil, taking a shot at > Biodiesel and Alternative Fuels. This is very old news and written in a > way to make > it sound like something that it's not. The emissions that they're > referring > to is NOx emissions (NO, NO2, NO3) that is formed under high combustion > chamber temps. The tiny increases that you normally see with Biodiesel > (from > 100ppm to 102ppm on my car during cruise) can very easily be compensated > for by > increasing EGR gasses, or retarding injection timing by a degree (1.5 > degrees > on my '99 VW TDI). For a long time these increases were disputed because > they are small enough to be camouflaged by normal margins of error in > dynomometer testing. The latest Diesels have catalysts that virtually > eliminate NOx > emissions out the tailpipe, so the 2% increase out of the combustion > chamber > doesn't mean anything. Tailpipe emissions between the 2 fuels on engines > equipped with modern exhaust systems is identical, at least in terms of > NOx. Soot > is much lower with Biodiesel. > > Joe Rappa > Mexico, NY > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 20:28:58 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:28:58 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <017e01c7ff22$14aad760$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Great to hear from you Reg appreciate your thoughts i had come across this link a while ago in regards to the doble steam car on this car most of the burnt fuel was recycled my belief is that it was the best steam car that had been made till its demise i think in the 50s to expensive to make could be made these days at a much cheaper cost i believe there were three generations of dobles that developed it great engineers in there own right here is the link hope you find it interesting as i did http://itotd.com/articles/594/doble-steam-cars/ brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust > emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was > stopped I must take you to task over this. The fuel burnt to create the steam, was a pollutant. Thus, they were NOT pollution free. Its half truths like this, spread by those who know zilch about what they are flapping their lips about, that is allowing a LOT of 'behind the scenes' people to gain money and positions of power. A bit of thought would show you that change is and has been going on since we appeared on this planet. It will continue after we are extinct. What we do has a lot less effect than earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms, etc. Sorry, but I just 'burst' at this latest bit of drivel! Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Joe that puts things in perspective as far as i am aware the biofuels are > much cleaner and greener i am surprised the big oil companies havent > cottoned on to complaining about the gas emissions from cows causing > global > warming ..i suppose i should write that quietly. I still wonder why the > steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an exhaust > emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity development was > stopped could even be run on biofuels . brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:28 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, this > is > nothing more than a mouthpiece article for big oil, taking a shot at > Biodiesel and Alternative Fuels. This is very old news and written in a > way to make > it sound like something that it's not. The emissions that they're > referring > to is NOx emissions (NO, NO2, NO3) that is formed under high combustion > chamber temps. The tiny increases that you normally see with Biodiesel > (from > 100ppm to 102ppm on my car during cruise) can very easily be compensated > for by > increasing EGR gasses, or retarding injection timing by a degree (1.5 > degrees > on my '99 VW TDI). For a long time these increases were disputed because > they are small enough to be camouflaged by normal margins of error in > dynomometer testing. The latest Diesels have catalysts that virtually > eliminate NOx > emissions out the tailpipe, so the 2% increase out of the combustion > chamber > doesn't mean anything. Tailpipe emissions between the 2 fuels on engines > equipped with modern exhaust systems is identical, at least in terms of > NOx. Soot > is much lower with Biodiesel. > > Joe Rappa > Mexico, NY > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 21:58:36 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:58:36 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price is dearer to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol as it is here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not look so bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will go down in a hurry brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for farmers? Dave I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing proposition. We burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? Definitely backwards economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar into 80 cents and think they've come out ahead. Joe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 25 03:05:19 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:05:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <01ec01c7ff5b$9a4d4310$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> When 'leaded ' fuel got taken away, for our health's sake!, the alternative turned out to be MORE cancer causing, etc. Of course, it cost more!! Now, the crap they sell us causes many more fuel troubles. AND NOW, you want to add the veggie stuff to it? How stoopid do you think we are?? Ok, up the price on oil for the bicycle!! Ya gotta rip us off one way or another!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price is > dearer > to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol as it > is > here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not look so > bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will go down > in a hurry brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > > In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for farmers? > Dave > > > > I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist > without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing > proposition. > We > burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? Definitely > backwards > economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar into 80 > cents and think they've come out ahead. > Joe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 19:19:37 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:19:37 +1200 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <00fb01c7ff02$6b4acc30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Not sure what the saying about writing on bathroom walls but i could imagine that they flunked english in regard to old iron in nz i find alot gets trashed here as people arent interested sadly i just rescued a whole heap of vintage gear that was about to be buried even picked up an old magneto from an early car between 1910-1930 still works gave me a huge shock.A 1950s bsa engine.An old wheel driven pump 1940s style used to run an old sheep dip still appears to be working.2 old lawnmowers 1950s rotacuts i collect lawn mowers plus old tools etc if they hadnt been recued they would have been history.One day people will be interested and they wont be around..someone has to preserve it.I do need more room for these artifacts...bren nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:27 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki Sadly, it appears that da man smacked you down. Bummer.>>>rob //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////////////////////////////// And its all true . I do tend toward hyperbole sometimes , but that was no excageration . The flame cock , hot tube safety etc that I darted out in patent Websterspeak, were all replaced by something that was replaced by something else and so forth , long before I made my fateful jibe . I think the flame cock stuff is entirely gone now with only a sorta footnote( that they suck , and they sure do in a cool way ) . Just dont get too attached , or spend a bunch of time and get your knickers in a twist when they nuke it . It is more of a bathroom wall than a repository of anything . Like a newspaper with 20 million editors , that never makes it to print You've no doubt heard the saying "Those who write on bathroom walls ," . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/BALYEATAUTO.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Sep 24 15:46:18 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:46:18 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Got you all stump again In-Reply-To: <001201c7fef9$bb205a80$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: I think you have got them over a barrel??? -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:25 AM To: Oldengine.org; ATIS Subject: [SEL] Got you all stump again Hi All Looks like I got you stump again on the barrel http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/my%20engines/identify.htm Does anyone know a good link to a marine engine web site to ask them? Peter, Oz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 25 05:18:29 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:18:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested I can send pictures. Dave On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: > Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price > is dearer > to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol > as it is > here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not > look so > bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will > go down > in a hurry brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > JR504 at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > > In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for > farmers? > Dave > > > > I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist > without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing > proposition. > We > burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? > Definitely > backwards > economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar > into 80 > cents and think they've come out ahead. > Joe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http:// > www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 25 05:13:32 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:13:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki References: Message-ID: <020601c7ff6d$7fde6d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Oh dear!! The "hobby" HAS got ya by the gonads!!!!! A few years and it will ease off! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki > Not sure what the saying about writing on bathroom walls but i could > imagine that they flunked english in regard to old iron in nz i find alot > gets trashed here as people arent interested sadly i just rescued a whole > heap of vintage gear that was about to be buried even picked up an old > magneto from an early car between 1910-1930 still works gave me a huge > shock.A 1950s bsa engine.An old wheel driven pump 1940s style used to run > an > old sheep dip still appears to be working.2 old lawnmowers 1950s rotacuts > i > collect lawn mowers plus old tools etc if they hadnt been recued they > would > have been history.One day people will be interested and they wont be > around..someone has to preserve it.I do need more room for these > artifacts...bren nz > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:27 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki > > > Sadly, it appears that da man smacked you down. Bummer.>>>rob > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > /////////////////////////////////// > And its all true . I do tend toward hyperbole sometimes , but that was no > excageration . > > The flame cock , hot tube safety etc that I darted out in patent > Websterspeak, were all replaced by something > that was replaced by something else and so forth , long before I made my > fateful jibe . I think the flame cock stuff is entirely gone now > with only a sorta footnote( that they suck , and they sure do in a cool > way ) . Just dont get too attached , or spend a bunch of time and get > your > knickers in a twist > when they nuke it . It is more of a bathroom wall than a repository of > anything . Like a newspaper with 20 million editors , that never makes it > to > print > You've no doubt heard the saying "Those who write on bathroom walls > ," > . > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/BALYEATAUTO.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tsmith at hal-pc.org Tue Sep 25 04:49:56 2007 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:49:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I still wonder why >the > steam cars were dropped as they only produce water vapor as an >exhaust > emmission and the moters were virtually silent its a pity >development was > stopped could even be run on biofuels . brent Me thinks many of these fuels have hidden agendas and it's not always obvious why a certain fuel can't make the cut. The steam provides a controllable connection from the actual energy source to the end user (turbine, recip or whatever) and like you say "it only produces water vapor" but it isn't a energy source. The energy to generate the steam probably came from some fuel such as coal, wood, bio diesel, gasoline, nuclear or whatever and you are back to waste products. The steam doesn't create the energy, it only transfers the energy to something we can more easily use. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 25 05:32:52 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:32:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <020601c7ff6d$7fde6d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <020601c7ff6d$7fde6d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <62D3C490-D534-4A90-A623-CFAFE75AFDE2@alltel.net> On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:13 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Oh dear!! The "hobby" HAS got ya by the gonads!!!!! > A few years and it will ease off! > Reg & Marg Ingold. Reg! You mean they fall off at some point? Please tell me it ain't so! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Sep 25 09:14:07 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey there Brent, May I suggest a few good courses in thermodynamics, economics, and engineering? The only "facts" that are certain in the whole ethanol welfare program are that the cost of cereal, beef, chicken, etc. is being driven up. If the cost of petrol continues to rise, the ethanol debacle will only worsen. If Hillary wins, then it becomes a national-scale feel-good fiscal disaster. See ya, Arnie On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tamatea whanau wrote: > Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price is dearer > to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol as it is > here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not look so > bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will go down > in a hurry brent > > -----Original Message----- > > In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for farmers? > Dave > > I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist > without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing proposition. > We > burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? Definitely > backwards > economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar into 80 > cents and think they've come out ahead. > Joe From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 25 08:26:24 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:26:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B8CC63F-BD6F-41BF-9E43-645B488C67EA@alltel.net> Come on Arnie, I'm trying to sell a bridge here! Dave On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hey there Brent, > > May I suggest a few good courses in thermodynamics, economics, and > engineering? > > The only "facts" that are certain in the whole ethanol welfare > program are > that the cost of cereal, beef, chicken, etc. is being driven up. > If the > cost of petrol continues to rise, the ethanol debacle will only > worsen. > > If Hillary wins, then it becomes a national-scale feel-good fiscal > disaster. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tamatea whanau wrote: > >> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >> is dearer >> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >> as it is >> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >> look so >> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >> go down >> in a hurry brent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >> >> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >> farmers? >> Dave >> >> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >> exist >> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >> proposition. >> We >> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >> Definitely >> backwards >> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >> into 80 >> cents and think they've come out ahead. >> Joe > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 13:30:38 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:30:38 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Arnie wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers first Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz PS. Brazillian trims swept us out 3-2 > > The only "facts" that are certain in the whole > ethanol welfare program are > that the cost of cereal, beef, chicken, etc. is > being driven up. If the > cost of petrol continues to rise, the ethanol > debacle will only worsen. Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 25 14:02:58 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:02:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c7ffb7$747967c0$c6ffeddc@Edd> Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a little help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some who make these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare and don't do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel plant under construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of people .There are probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but I do now one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local farmers have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of shares .Self sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must be set aside. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > G'Day Arnie > > wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less > from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers > first > > Kerry > > Lithgow NSW Oz > PS. Brazillian trims swept us out 3-2 > >> >> The only "facts" that are certain in the whole >> ethanol welfare program are >> that the cost of cereal, beef, chicken, etc. is >> being driven up. If the >> cost of petrol continues to rise, the ethanol >> debacle will only worsen. > > > > > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 25 14:20:58 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:20:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki References: <020601c7ff6d$7fde6d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <62D3C490-D534-4A90-A623-CFAFE75AFDE2@alltel.net> Message-ID: <025f01c7ffba$6331da80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Yes (In a high voice) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki > > On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:13 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Oh dear!! The "hobby" HAS got ya by the gonads!!!!! >> A few years and it will ease off! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Reg! You mean they fall off at some point? Please tell me it ain't so! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Tue Sep 25 16:25:00 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:25:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <000c01c7ffb7$747967c0$c6ffeddc@Edd> References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000c01c7ffb7$747967c0$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: <003001c7ffcb$4f009270$ed01b750$@net.au> Edd etc, When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers playing with the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation and the issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could produce enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. Some were using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a little help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some who make these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare and don't do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel plant under construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of people .There are probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but I do now one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local farmers have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of shares .Self sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must be set aside. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > G'Day Arnie > > wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less > from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers > first > > Kerry > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Sep 25 17:16:19 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:16:19 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <003001c7ffcb$4f009270$ed01b750$@net.au> Message-ID: Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on villier moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors and machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you hopefully will hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not impossible for those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even make your own soap from the by products . here is a link tells you everything type of equipment etc and dont charge for it a good site http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven N Kitto Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Edd etc, When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers playing with the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation and the issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could produce enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. Some were using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a little help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some who make these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare and don't do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel plant under construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of people .There are probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but I do now one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local farmers have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of shares .Self sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must be set aside. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > G'Day Arnie > > wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less > from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers > first > > Kerry > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 25 17:40:06 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:40:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Books, school, eat--what more is there to say? Dave On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:16 PM, tamatea whanau wrote: > Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on > villier > moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors > and > machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you > hopefully will > hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not > impossible for > those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even > make your > own soap from the by products . here is a link tells you everything > type of > equipment etc and dont charge for it a good site > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html brent nz > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven > N Kitto > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > Edd etc, > > When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers > playing with > the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation > and the > issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could > produce > enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. > Some were > using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. > > Steve and Denise Kitto > 95 Coleyville Road > Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 > Ph 07 54671541 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd > Payne > Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a > little > help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some > who make > these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare > and don't > do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel > plant under > > construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of people .There are > probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but > I do now > > one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local > farmers > have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of > shares .Self > sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must > be set > aside. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry Morris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> G'Day Arnie >> >> wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >> from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >> first >> >> Kerry >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 25 19:22:03 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:22:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> Not much it would seem.You keep repeating the same words.How about adding compassion caring and fairness but maybe your vocabulary doesn't go that far EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Books, school, eat--what more is there to say? > Dave > > On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:16 PM, tamatea whanau wrote: > >> Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on >> villier >> moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors >> and >> machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you >> hopefully will >> hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not >> impossible for >> those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even >> make your >> own soap from the by products . here is a link tells you everything >> type of >> equipment etc and dont charge for it a good site >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html brent nz >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven >> N Kitto >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 AM >> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >> Edd etc, >> >> When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers >> playing with >> the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation >> and the >> issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could >> produce >> enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. >> Some were >> using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. >> >> Steve and Denise Kitto >> 95 Coleyville Road >> Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 >> Ph 07 54671541 >> >> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. >> Proverbs 27:19 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd >> Payne >> Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a >> little >> help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some >> who make >> these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare >> and don't >> do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel >> plant under >> >> construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of people .There are >> probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but >> I do now >> >> one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local >> farmers >> have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of >> shares .Self >> sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must >> be set >> aside. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerry Morris" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >>> G'Day Arnie >>> >>> wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >>> from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >>> first >>> >>> Kerry >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 9/23/2007 >> 1:53 PM >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 9/23/2007 >> 1:53 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 25 19:53:29 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:53:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: <001d01c7ffe8$702c8590$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Sadly, OUR politicans, in all parties, know nothing of these words you are using! Now, Profit, Trade, Tax, Excise, Parlimentary Super, and similar, they ALL know about. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Not much it would seem.You keep repeating the same words.How about adding > compassion caring and fairness but maybe your vocabulary doesn't go that > far > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> Books, school, eat--what more is there to say? >> Dave >> >> On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:16 PM, tamatea whanau wrote: >> >>> Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on >>> villier >>> moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors >>> and >>> machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you >>> hopefully will >>> hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not >>> impossible for >>> those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even >>> make your >>> own soap from the by products . here is a link tells you everything >>> type of >>> equipment etc and dont charge for it a good site >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html brent nz >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven >>> N Kitto >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 AM >>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>> Edd etc, >>> >>> When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers >>> playing with >>> the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation >>> and the >>> issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could >>> produce >>> enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. >>> Some were >>> using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. >>> >>> Steve and Denise Kitto >>> 95 Coleyville Road >>> Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 >>> Ph 07 54671541 >>> >>> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. >>> Proverbs 27:19 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd >>> Payne >>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a >>> little >>> help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some >>> who make >>> these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare >>> and don't >>> do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel >>> plant under >>> >>> construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of people .There are >>> probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but >>> I do now >>> >>> one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local >>> farmers >>> have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of >>> shares .Self >>> sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must >>> be set >>> aside. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kerry Morris" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>>> G'Day Arnie >>>> >>>> wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >>>> from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >>>> first >>>> >>>> Kerry >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 23:15:56 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:15:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki In-Reply-To: <025f01c7ffba$6331da80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <020601c7ff6d$7fde6d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <62D3C490-D534-4A90-A623-CFAFE75AFDE2@alltel.net> <025f01c7ffba$6331da80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160709252315j3068e1c7n355764fbf3643968@mail.gmail.com> On 25/09/2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > Yes (In a high voice) > Reg & Marg Ingold. Always wondered why you walked with that limp.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Sep 25 15:52:57 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:52:57 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <1B8CC63F-BD6F-41BF-9E43-645B488C67EA@alltel.net> Message-ID: Arnie i joined the group so i could learn all those subjects you mentioned from people in the group who know a lot more than me. In regard to the fuel issue I dont think it matters either way petrol or ethanol prices are going to rise heres why because it is a political football being used by government and oil companies to control prices its quite convenient for them the question is who has the most to gain ie make the most profit whether the debate is over price of petrol or ethanol at the end of the day who ever governs or controls its distribution will make every one pay the highest price. Heres another option other than making your own biodiesels etc. . .A friend told me years ago the best priced fuel will always be lpg relating this to new zealand as i dont know the states system and so far he has been correct his reason was that was that he had seen many government controlled agencies switching to lpg to run there cars at this point he was involved with the local city council so he did the same and never looked back but that could be the best option in fuels.In a discussion on this the other day it was mentioned as lpg is also used by households restaurants for cooking the price is directly related to the cost of electricity so should always be cheaper over here it is never advertised openly for price as they are not promoting it which is interesting does makes you wonder. Another friend i know had a jet boat they ran on petrol cost them a bundle to take it out for a run so they went to the wreckers and got an lpg set up off a car and put that on there boat it now runs better and costs them far less than what they used to on petrol.Had to be certified by a garage to make sure it met legal requirements in there case it was the way to go. brent nz From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:26 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Come on Arnie, I'm trying to sell a bridge here! Dave On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hey there Brent, > > May I suggest a few good courses in thermodynamics, economics, and > engineering? > > The only "facts" that are certain in the whole ethanol welfare > program are > that the cost of cereal, beef, chicken, etc. is being driven up. > If the > cost of petrol continues to rise, the ethanol debacle will only > worsen. > > If Hillary wins, then it becomes a national-scale feel-good fiscal > disaster. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tamatea whanau wrote: > >> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >> is dearer >> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >> as it is >> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >> look so >> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >> go down >> in a hurry brent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >> >> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >> farmers? >> Dave >> >> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >> exist >> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >> proposition. >> We >> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >> Definitely >> backwards >> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >> into 80 >> cents and think they've come out ahead. >> Joe > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Sep 25 15:52:58 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:52:58 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have already i have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested I can send pictures. Dave On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: > Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price > is dearer > to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol > as it is > here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not > look so > bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will > go down > in a hurry brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > JR504 at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > > In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for > farmers? > Dave > > > > I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist > without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing > proposition. > We > burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? > Definitely > backwards > economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar > into 80 > cents and think they've come out ahead. > Joe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http:// > www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 26 01:44:50 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:44:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki References: <020601c7ff6d$7fde6d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><62D3C490-D534-4A90-A623-CFAFE75AFDE2@alltel.net><025f01c7ffba$6331da80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6f6025160709252315j3068e1c7n355764fbf3643968@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004b01c80019$81d59620$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Aint telling!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] manual repository... now engine make repository - Wiki > On 25/09/2007, R & M Ingold wrote: >> Yes (In a high voice) >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Always wondered why you walked with that limp.... :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 26 06:40:42 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! - OT In-Reply-To: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: Hi Edd, I think that's the point that folks are trying to make. Using corn or soybeans to make fuel isn't an economic proposition, it doesn't make sense for the environment, and it sure as hell isn't energy efficient. This month's cover story in National Geographic magazine has a really comprehensive article on the subject. http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/2007-10/biofuels/biofuels.html If you're not a subscriber, I'm pretty sure that your local library gets it. If, OTOH, one's national posture is to add more feel-good, money losing, state-run welfare programs, then biofuels are just the ticket. I dunno about the status of the welfare state in Oz, but here in the USA we've got WAY too much in terms of welfare programs right now. We DO NOT need more, rather we need to cut a whole bunch of them. Hell, we're raising multi-generation families that breed on the dole and have never done a moment's work to earn their keep or contribute anything to society. Since we've veered totally off topic into the realm of the politics of the welfare state, I've taken the liberty of of cc'ing the Slick Willy list. I think that's a better forum to continue this thread. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > Not much it would seem.You keep repeating the same words.How about adding > compassion caring and fairness but maybe your vocabulary doesn't go that > far From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 26 03:51:32 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:51:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <000801c8002b$386a6670$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. We have some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to respond to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have already > i > have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds > interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested > I can send pictures. > Dave > > On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: > >> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >> is dearer >> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >> as it is >> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >> look so >> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >> go down >> in a hurry brent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >> JR504 at aol.com >> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >> >> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >> >> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >> farmers? >> Dave >> >> >> >> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't exist >> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >> proposition. >> We >> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >> Definitely >> backwards >> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >> into 80 >> cents and think they've come out ahead. >> Joe >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >> www.aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 9/23/2007 >> 1:53 PM >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 9/23/2007 >> 1:53 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 9/23/2007 > 1:53 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 26 07:06:20 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:06:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: Hi Edd, I'm well aware of those words AND that they are simply code words for COMMUNISM--and I don't particularly like COMMUNISM! Dave On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > Not much it would seem.You keep repeating the same words.How about > adding > compassion caring and fairness but maybe your vocabulary doesn't > go that > far > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> Books, school, eat--what more is there to say? >> Dave >> >> On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:16 PM, tamatea whanau wrote: >> >>> Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on >>> villier >>> moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors >>> and >>> machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you >>> hopefully will >>> hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not >>> impossible for >>> those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even >>> make your >>> own soap from the by products . here is a link tells you everything >>> type of >>> equipment etc and dont charge for it a good site >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html brent nz >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven >>> N Kitto >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 AM >>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>> Edd etc, >>> >>> When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers >>> playing with >>> the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation >>> and the >>> issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could >>> produce >>> enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. >>> Some were >>> using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. >>> >>> Steve and Denise Kitto >>> 95 Coleyville Road >>> Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 >>> Ph 07 54671541 >>> >>> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. >>> Proverbs 27:19 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd >>> Payne >>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a >>> little >>> help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some >>> who make >>> these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare >>> and don't >>> do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel >>> plant under >>> >>> construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of >>> people .There are >>> probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but >>> I do now >>> >>> one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local >>> farmers >>> have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of >>> shares .Self >>> sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must >>> be set >>> aside. >>> EDD PAYNE >>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>> Australia >>> 2852 >>> Phone:0263742387 >>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>> edsengns >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kerry Morris" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> engine.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>>> G'Day Arnie >>>> >>>> wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >>>> from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >>>> first >>>> >>>> Kerry >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 26 07:38:46 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:38:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <001e01c8004a$f24cf9d0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Another friend i know had a jet boat they ran on petrol cost them a bundle > to take it out for a run >>>>>>>>>>>>> I see this one every weekend , and my buds and I have pondered over why it happens . Still have no clue why , but their big problem is they have the engine pointed the wrong way . http://www.rushdragboat.com/engine.jpg The distributor goes to the FRONT !! LOL From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 26 09:49:53 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:49:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price In-Reply-To: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Everybody, I just picked up a nice little 1.5hp Economy with Webster mag and one of those square boxy Faribanks Morse engines. A guy I knew from the local shows passed away and his wife is selling off his stuff. She has a cute little 4 cylinder Hercules, radiator cooled that says "Hercules Power" on the raidator. It has all of the metal shrouds, fired by a coil and distributor. Has a clutch type deal on the rear of the engine that engages and disengages a flat belt pulley. She says that she's heard it run. It looks like the one I found here except ALOT smaller. http://www.w-t-p.com/2004/C09-5483.jpg I'd like to bring it home but don't have a clue about the value of it. What is a fair price for the engine? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 26 10:22:12 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:22:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <000801c8002b$386a6670$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000801c8002b$386a6670$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <276CD36D-E8AD-4483-B51D-A659BB9BB01F@alltel.net> Hi Peter, I'm sure that Brent took it the way it was meant--as a joke. However, it's good to hear from you my old friend. It's been a long time! Dave PS, How are the sheep? On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:51 AM, peter ogborne wrote: > Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. > We have > some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a > serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to > respond > to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tamatea whanau" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have >> already >> i >> have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds >> interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >> Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested >> I can send pictures. >> Dave >> >> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: >> >>> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >>> is dearer >>> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >>> as it is >>> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >>> look so >>> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >>> go down >>> in a hurry brent >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >>> JR504 at aol.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >>> >>> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >>> farmers? >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >>> exist >>> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >>> proposition. >>> We >>> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >>> Definitely >>> backwards >>> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >>> into 80 >>> cents and think they've come out ahead. >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >>> www.aol.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 9/23/2007 >> 1:53 PM >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 9/23/2007 >> 1:53 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Sep 26 10:47:50 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:47:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! - OT In-Reply-To: References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: <317CC769-D684-42BE-AC4A-666475AC26FA@rustyiron.com> On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > This month's cover story in National Geographic magazine has a really > comprehensive article on the subject. Come now, Fero. The article is another example of why I don't subscribe to National Geographic. They make a pretty magazine with awesome photography, print it on nice paper, and supplement it with prose from writers who can construct a sentence as pretty as Monet could paint. But the the writers are clearly the product of today's liberal universities, with their left leaning slant and ecological fanaticism. Consider the conclusion of the article, titled "Hard Numbers." The argument in favor of ethanol is that it has an "undeniable romance." Quoted is some joker who makes his living relying on a government subsidized boondoggle: "I'm sitting in a river in a canoe. Now do I want to paddle upstream, or do I want to go with the flow?" WTF is that? If I want squishy feelings and metaphor, I'll read fiction. When I want hard numbers and facts, I turn to someplace other than National Geographic. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 26 12:31:05 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! - OT In-Reply-To: <317CC769-D684-42BE-AC4A-666475AC26FA@rustyiron.com> References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> <317CC769-D684-42BE-AC4A-666475AC26FA@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Ed Zacchari. If a liberal, fuzzy-squishy, pretty-pictures rag can't make a case for the corn-gas boondoggle, its a pretty damn telling argument. My choice of reference was deliberate. The welfare-mongers who are pushing this fiasco would have their eyeballs glaze over with a seriously technical assessment. I figgered they could manage the pretty pictures and slick glossy pages. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > This month's cover story in National Geographic magazine has a really > > comprehensive article on the subject. > > > > Come now, Fero. > > The article is another example of why I don't subscribe to National > Geographic. They make a pretty magazine with awesome photography, > print it on nice paper, and supplement it with prose from writers who > can construct a sentence as pretty as Monet could paint. But the the > writers are clearly the product of today's liberal universities, with > their left leaning slant and ecological fanaticism. > > Consider the conclusion of the article, titled "Hard Numbers." The > argument in favor of ethanol is that it has an "undeniable romance." > Quoted is some joker who makes his living relying on a government > subsidized boondoggle: "I'm sitting in a river in a canoe. Now do I > want to paddle upstream, or do I want to go with the flow?" > > WTF is that? If I want squishy feelings and metaphor, I'll read > fiction. When I want hard numbers and facts, I turn to someplace > other than National Geographic. From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Sep 26 11:41:15 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:41:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070926203624.027dbba8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 26/09/2007, you wrote: >Message: 14 >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:51:32 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. We have >some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a >serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to respond >to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. Hi Peter, Good to see you're still here and riling people up :-) Gotta tell you a joke: An old couple were going to get married and he asked her "What do you think about sex?" She replied " Well I'd like it infrequently!" He asked "Is that one or two words?" You see, punctuation is important!! Keep well Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 26 12:10:34 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:10:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: <001001c80071$01f7a350$c6ffeddc@Edd> Well Dave I thought that to have those attributes was being a caring human being and were around long before communism.After all it is a relatively modern ideal.Try Christianity ,Buddhism .All have there faults.Arnie I agree there are much to many things that our governments hand out money for including propping up corrupt governments and some really non productive schemes but I personally don't think that encouraging an alternative fuel comes into that category.I live in a country that has vast natural resources but oil isn't one of them and we rely on imports for most of it.Any way to get away from this has to be OK. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Hi Edd, I'm well aware of those words AND that they are simply code > words for COMMUNISM--and I don't particularly like COMMUNISM! > Dave > > On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > >> Not much it would seem.You keep repeating the same words.How about >> adding >> compassion caring and fairness but maybe your vocabulary doesn't >> go that >> far >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >>> Books, school, eat--what more is there to say? >>> Dave >>> >>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:16 PM, tamatea whanau wrote: >>> >>>> Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on >>>> villier >>>> moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors >>>> and >>>> machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you >>>> hopefully will >>>> hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not >>>> impossible for >>>> those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even >>>> make your >>>> own soap from the by products . here is a link tells you everything >>>> type of >>>> equipment etc and dont charge for it a good site >>>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html brent nz >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven >>>> N Kitto >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 AM >>>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> >>>> Edd etc, >>>> >>>> When we lived in South Australia there were a few local farmers >>>> playing with >>>> the manufacture of bio diesel. They were stifled by govt regulation >>>> and the >>>> issue of excise. They were quoting that the average farmer could >>>> produce >>>> enough diesel to run their farm from around 150 acres of canola. >>>> Some were >>>> using the waste oil from the local fish and chip shops. >>>> >>>> Steve and Denise Kitto >>>> 95 Coleyville Road >>>> Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 >>>> Ph 07 54671541 >>>> >>>> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. >>>> Proverbs 27:19 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd >>>> Payne >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 7:03 >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> Good on ya Kerry,I have no problem helping our own and when was a >>>> little >>>> help to our hard working farmers a problem.I would bet that some >>>> who make >>>> these comments have no hesitation in receiving government welfare >>>> and don't >>>> do a lick to get it!!!!.While in the US I saw a large bio diesel >>>> plant under >>>> >>>> construction in Missouri and it will employ a lot of >>>> people .There are >>>> probably US gov subsidies for this plant,I don't know for sure but >>>> I do now >>>> >>>> one of the share holders and he told me that a lot of the local >>>> farmers >>>> have put a LOT of there own money into the plan in the form of >>>> shares .Self >>>> sufficiency is a plus and some down sides are inevitable but must >>>> be set >>>> aside. >>>> EDD PAYNE >>>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>>> Australia >>>> 2852 >>>> Phone:0263742387 >>>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>>> edsengns >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Kerry Morris" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> engine.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> >>>>> G'Day Arnie >>>>> >>>>> wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >>>>> from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >>>>> first >>>>> >>>>> Kerry >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 26 13:52:33 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Now: Nukes for Oz In-Reply-To: <001001c80071$01f7a350$c6ffeddc@Edd> References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> <001001c80071$01f7a350$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: Hi Edd, I'm REALLY glad to hear you say that. Oz is the Saudi Arabia of uranium resources. It's high time for you lot to join the rest of the modern world and generate your electricity with some lovely nukes. 8-)) May I suggest that the Westinghouse AP-1000 would be a great place to start? http://www.westinghousenuclear.com/AP1000/index.shtm See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > I live in a country that has vast natural resources > but oil isn't one of them and we rely on imports for most of it.Any way to > get away from this has to be OK. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Sep 26 13:32:04 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:32:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! - OT In-Reply-To: References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> <317CC769-D684-42BE-AC4A-666475AC26FA@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <71CF05D0-F12C-45CC-AEB2-0F349BFBD921@rustyiron.com> On Sep 26, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Ed Zacchari. > My choice of reference was deliberate. Thank dog, Arnie. For a minute, I thought you were slipping. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 26 13:58:35 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:58:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Now: Nukes for Oz In-Reply-To: References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> <001001c80071$01f7a350$c6ffeddc@Edd> Message-ID: <46FAC7FB.3080205@imc-group.com> But Arnie, think of the scores of those in coal mining industry that would be out of jobs......that would not be a feel good compassionate thing to do ;-) Curt Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Edd, > > I'm REALLY glad to hear you say that. Oz is the Saudi Arabia of uranium > resources. It's high time for you lot to join the rest of the modern > world and generate your electricity with some lovely nukes. 8-)) > > May I suggest that the Westinghouse AP-1000 would be a great place to > start? http://www.westinghousenuclear.com/AP1000/index.shtm > > See ya, Arnie > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 26 15:08:45 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Now: Nukes for Oz In-Reply-To: <46FAC7FB.3080205@imc-group.com> References: <001201c7ffe4$08364830$c6ffeddc@Edd> <001001c80071$01f7a350$c6ffeddc@Edd> <46FAC7FB.3080205@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hiya Curt, My first reply was "Tough titty." But then I reflected on our mate Kerry and realized that there's great value there. After all, they'll need someplace to bury the small amount of nuclear waste that results from generating all that electricty. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Curt wrote: > But Arnie, think of the scores of those in coal mining industry that > would be out of jobs......that would not be a feel good compassionate > thing to do ;-) > Curt > > Arnie Fero wrote: > > Hi Edd, > > > > I'm REALLY glad to hear you say that. Oz is the Saudi Arabia of uranium > > resources. It's high time for you lot to join the rest of the modern > > world and generate your electricity with some lovely nukes. 8-)) > > > > May I suggest that the Westinghouse AP-1000 would be a great place to > > start? http://www.westinghousenuclear.com/AP1000/index.shtm From glenn.karch at verizon.net Wed Sep 26 13:02:00 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:02:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price References: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> Luke, The Asland Oil Company took a lot of those engines out of service in southern Indiana and southern Illinois. They and the 2 cylinder version, the NXB, could be picked for a couple hundred dollars a piece. I think Keith Kinney got a couple of them. I have a couple of the NXBs. They and the 4 cylinder are nice running engines. Both of mine have the over the center clutch too. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price > > Hi Everybody, > > I just picked up a nice little 1.5hp Economy with Webster mag and one of > those square boxy Faribanks Morse engines. A guy I knew from the local > shows passed away and his wife is selling off his stuff. > > She has a cute little 4 cylinder Hercules, radiator cooled that says > "Hercules Power" on the raidator. It has all of the metal shrouds, fired > by a coil and distributor. Has a clutch type deal on the rear of the > engine that engages and disengages a flat belt pulley. She says that she's > heard it run. It looks like the one I found here except ALOT smaller. > > http://www.w-t-p.com/2004/C09-5483.jpg > > I'd like to bring it home but don't have a clue about the value of it. > What is a fair price for the engine? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > Spaces. It's easy! > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 26 14:35:06 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:35:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price In-Reply-To: <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> References: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <46FAD08A.3070900@imc-group.com> If anyone has one of the over center clutch assy's that bolts onto the bell housing of the Herc, I would be quite interested in purchasing one. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Glenn Karch wrote: > Luke, > > The Asland Oil Company took a lot of those engines out of service in > southern Indiana and southern Illinois. They and the 2 cylinder version, > the NXB, could be picked for a couple hundred dollars a piece. I think > Keith Kinney got a couple of them. I have a couple of the NXBs. They and > the 4 cylinder are nice running engines. Both of mine have the over the > center clutch too. > > Glenn Karch > Hercules Historian > Haubstadt, Indiana, USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:49 AM > Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price > > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 26 16:53:44 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:53:44 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <000801c8002b$386a6670$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <276CD36D-E8AD-4483-B51D-A659BB9BB01F@alltel.net> Message-ID: <004f01c80098$808d1de0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Fine Dave........I am sure Brent could take it ,N Z ed ers are a tough lot ,just have a look at the Rugby Union World Cup ...What's that funny game you play over there ? Grid Iron I am told ,all that padding ,bit like cross dressing. The sheep are OK but I do worry about you blokes in the US and snake dancing ,we have trouser snakes, is it the same? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Hi Peter, I'm sure that Brent took it the way it was meant--as a > joke. However, it's good to hear from you my old friend. It's been a > long time! > Dave > PS, How are the sheep? > > On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:51 AM, peter ogborne wrote: > >> Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. >> We have >> some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a >> serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to >> respond >> to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "tamatea whanau" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >>> Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have >>> already >>> i >>> have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds >>> interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David >>> Rotigel >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>> Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested >>> I can send pictures. >>> Dave >>> >>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >>>> is dearer >>>> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >>>> as it is >>>> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >>>> look so >>>> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >>>> go down >>>> in a hurry brent >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >>>> JR504 at aol.com >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM >>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >>>> >>>> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >>>> farmers? >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >>>> exist >>>> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >>>> proposition. >>>> We >>>> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >>>> Definitely >>>> backwards >>>> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >>>> into 80 >>>> cents and think they've come out ahead. >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >>>> www.aol.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Sep 26 17:05:32 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:05:32 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <004f01c80098$808d1de0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Dave not sure if your aware no money in sheep wool prices are real low and farmers are getting low returns on lamb and mutton most farmers here are doing dairy conversions as more money in dairy products brent nz Fine Dave........I am sure Brent could take it ,N Z ed ers are a tough lot ,just have a look at the Rugby Union World Cup ...What's that funny game you play over there ? Grid Iron I am told ,all that padding ,bit like cross dressing. The sheep are OK but I do worry about you blokes in the US and snake dancing ,we have trouser snakes, is it the same? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Hi Peter, I'm sure that Brent took it the way it was meant--as a > joke. However, it's good to hear from you my old friend. It's been a > long time! > Dave > PS, How are the sheep? > > On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:51 AM, peter ogborne wrote: > >> Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. >> We have >> some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a >> serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to >> respond >> to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "tamatea whanau" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >>> Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have >>> already >>> i >>> have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds >>> interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David >>> Rotigel >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>> Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested >>> I can send pictures. >>> Dave >>> >>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >>>> is dearer >>>> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >>>> as it is >>>> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >>>> look so >>>> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >>>> go down >>>> in a hurry brent >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >>>> JR504 at aol.com >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM >>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >>>> >>>> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >>>> farmers? >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >>>> exist >>>> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >>>> proposition. >>>> We >>>> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >>>> Definitely >>>> backwards >>>> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >>>> into 80 >>>> cents and think they've come out ahead. >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >>>> www.aol.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>> 9/23/2007 >>> 1:53 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM From kimmell at verizon.net Wed Sep 26 18:21:24 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:21:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> At 03:30 PM 9/25/2007, you wrote: >G'Day Arnie > >wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >first > >Kerry That's the MOST IMPORTANT fact in my mind. Ethanol isn't going to help since not all cars can run on it and the ones that can use it loose 15-20% of their fuel mileage since it has less BTU's per gallon. Now, biodiesel is the one worth supporting, although the morons over here in the US have been scared away from diesels ever since GM brought out the 350 diesel bomb back in 1977. Biodiesel can be run in ANY engine, and no modifications need to be made (might need to replace fuel lines in really old cars). Most diesels will run BETTER on bio than they do on regular diesel. The raw material for making bio (vegetable oil) is also in ready supply. We already make millions of gallons of it each year for frying and cooking, and that oil is thrown out or recycled after it's used. Why not recycle it into biodiesel? I fully support biodiesel even though I'm in no way a GREEN person. I could care less about the environmental aspects of it. If it helps us buy less oil from the terrorists, then I'm all about it. -Tony From toadhill at aeroinc.net Wed Sep 26 18:43:35 2007 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:43:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Ethanol?= Message-ID: <000a01c800a7$d17344f0$0300a8c0@your3126fb4268> The reason the oil companies aren't bothered by ethanol is that it takes synthetic fertilizer, herbicide and bug killer all made from oil and cracked in a refinery. I guess the tractors and trucks could be run on biofuel. By the time the corn is harvested, the oil companies have supplied the "ungreen" energy it takes to grow and harvest the corn. Our local ethanol plant has a huge natural gas line feeding all the energy needs of the plant. So the price of everything involved goes higher and we pay the bill. From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 26 18:56:30 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:56:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> It seems I read the Deere puts Bio-Diesel in all their new equipment. I got something in the mail for soybean growers that was encouraging farmers to switch to bio-diesel. I can't remember but they had done the research and figured how much the price of beans would go up per bushel just if farmers alone made the switch. Now before some idot starts ranting about running up the price of food, you need to understand something about the price of commodities--very little of what the farmer gets paid is reflected on the grocercy store shelf. Example; 5-6 years ago wheat was under $3 per bushel. A bushel is roughly 60 lbs. A 1 lb loaf of bread was selling for over a $1. I guess it costs more than I think to run semis up and down the road and to process flour. Priced buying a combine, couple grain trucks, storage bins, dryer, drill, tractor(s), grain wagons, sprayers, tillage tools etc.,lately? Oh yeah, you only use this some of this stuff 2-8 weeks out of the year. Welfare for the farmer? Give me a break! If it's that lucrative I guess quite a few of you will be going a million bucks in debt this fall when you start your farm. Just tell me how to get a combine that isn't older than I am!! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- >. > > Now, biodiesel is the one worth supporting, although the morons over > here in the US have been scared away from diesels ever since GM > brought out the 350 diesel bomb back in 1977. Biodiesel can be run > in ANY engine, and no modifications need to be made (might need to > replace fuel lines in really old cars). Most diesels will run BETTER > on bio than they do on regular diesel. The raw material for making > bio (vegetable oil) is also in ready supply. We already make > millions of gallons of it each year for frying and cooking, and that > oil is thrown out or recycled after it's used. Why not recycle it > into biodiesel? > > I fully support biodiesel even though I'm in no way a GREEN > person. I could care less about the environmental aspects of it. If > it helps us buy less oil from the terrorists, then I'm all about it. > > -Tony > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Sep 26 18:59:06 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:59:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <006201c800a9$fccf3490$0601a8c0@altech> My cousins have been using Bio-Diesel for 8 years at around $0.25 a litre. The vehicles have never had a spanner (wrench) on them. One is a Toyota Landcruiser the other is a Rover car. They have fish & chip (fries) oil coming out of their ears and supply is more than they can use. Both have around 20 - 44gal drums of supply at any one time. They have a real professional home setup, even with their own bowsers. Peter, Oz > That's the MOST IMPORTANT fact in my mind. Ethanol isn't going to > help since not all cars can run on it and the ones that can use it > loose 15-20% of their fuel mileage since it has less BTU's per gallon. > > Now, biodiesel is the one worth supporting, although the morons over > here in the US have been scared away from diesels ever since GM > brought out the 350 diesel bomb back in 1977. Biodiesel can be run > in ANY engine, and no modifications need to be made (might need to > replace fuel lines in really old cars). Most diesels will run BETTER > on bio than they do on regular diesel. The raw material for making > bio (vegetable oil) is also in ready supply. We already make > millions of gallons of it each year for frying and cooking, and that > oil is thrown out or recycled after it's used. Why not recycle it > into biodiesel? > > I fully support biodiesel even though I'm in no way a GREEN > person. I could care less about the environmental aspects of it. If > it helps us buy less oil from the terrorists, then I'm all about it. > > -Tony From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Sep 26 19:16:22 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:16:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: Why is corn being used to produce ethanol in the USA? Brazil uses sugar cane. Sugar beets seem to be the ideal crop for this process. The only disadvantage in using sugar beets is it will depress the price of sugar and the converting plant must be near the beet fields. Sugar beets must be processed almost immediately after being harvested to maintain a high sugar content. Harvesting beets doesn't require an expensive combine. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca 93454 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Sep 26 19:31:58 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:31:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech> You ever driven across the USA and see how much corn you guys produce. All we saw for days and days was corn when we drove across in 1999 and 2003. We use sugar cane here for ethanol. My car uses 10% ethanol 90% unleaded and runs fine. The Pajero TR4 Flex, featuring a 2.0-liter engine capable on running on blends from 100% gasoline to 100% ethanol, was launched in July of this year. >From Brazil: Brazil produced 4 billion gallons of ethanol in 2004, some 37 percent of the world total, while the U.S. churned out 3.4 billion gallons, 31 percent of the world's share. The country also exported 634 million gallons -- 112 million of that to the U.S. -- and its government is pushing to clear more land for production. Its vast size and tropical climate are perfect for the production of sugar cane, which is said to have better energy conversion rates than corn, the primary source for ethanol in the U.S. What's more, Brazilian producers burn cellulosic stalk of sugar cane to make energy that fuels the entire industrial process. That is why their production costs are half that of corn. I guess the downfall here is we lose our rainforests. Ain't Politics grand Peter, Oz > Why is corn being used to produce ethanol in the USA? Brazil uses sugar > cane. > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, Ca 93454 > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Sep 26 19:52:06 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:52:06 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: There has to be a way that is a win win for both parties the farmer gets paid little for what he produces and the consumer pays high prices for the processed goods ie buying steak at the supermarket the ones raking the profits are the middlemen the buyers of the produce and the processors that put it in pretty packets??? Here in New Zealand a farmer gets paid 2.50 per kg once processed at the supermarket the consumer pays 15.99 per kg big difference. I always wondered why farmers in an area didnt run there own business from producing processing and selling the only way to even the profits is to control the supply chain maybe as a coop or another option is to supply niche markets on specific produce on a smaller scale or maybe a partnership arrangement with a farmer and a local restaurant or mill not an easy answer on that one. brentnz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! It seems I read the Deere puts Bio-Diesel in all their new equipment. I got something in the mail for soybean growers that was encouraging farmers to switch to bio-diesel. I can't remember but they had done the research and figured how much the price of beans would go up per bushel just if farmers alone made the switch. Now before some idot starts ranting about running up the price of food, you need to understand something about the price of commodities--very little of what the farmer gets paid is reflected on the grocercy store shelf. Example; 5-6 years ago wheat was under $3 per bushel. A bushel is roughly 60 lbs. A 1 lb loaf of bread was selling for over a $1. I guess it costs more than I think to run semis up and down the road and to process flour. Priced buying a combine, couple grain trucks, storage bins, dryer, drill, tractor(s), grain wagons, sprayers, tillage tools etc.,lately? Oh yeah, you only use this some of this stuff 2-8 weeks out of the year. Welfare for the farmer? Give me a break! If it's that lucrative I guess quite a few of you will be going a million bucks in debt this fall when you start your farm. Just tell me how to get a combine that isn't older than I am!! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- >. > > Now, biodiesel is the one worth supporting, although the morons over > here in the US have been scared away from diesels ever since GM > brought out the 350 diesel bomb back in 1977. Biodiesel can be run > in ANY engine, and no modifications need to be made (might need to > replace fuel lines in really old cars). Most diesels will run BETTER > on bio than they do on regular diesel. The raw material for making > bio (vegetable oil) is also in ready supply. We already make > millions of gallons of it each year for frying and cooking, and that > oil is thrown out or recycled after it's used. Why not recycle it > into biodiesel? > > I fully support biodiesel even though I'm in no way a GREEN > person. I could care less about the environmental aspects of it. If > it helps us buy less oil from the terrorists, then I'm all about it. > > -Tony > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Sep 26 20:10:24 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:10:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <031c01c800b3$f2b8c340$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Sugar cane has a much higher yield than corn and so gets a better deal for the consumer. Corn is a loser sugar cane just might come out ahead. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! You ever driven across the USA and see how much corn you guys produce. All we saw for days and days was corn when we drove across in 1999 and 2003. We use sugar cane here for ethanol. My car uses 10% ethanol 90% unleaded and runs fine. The Pajero TR4 Flex, featuring a 2.0-liter engine capable on running on blends from 100% gasoline to 100% ethanol, was launched in July of this year. >From Brazil: Brazil produced 4 billion gallons of ethanol in 2004, some 37 percent of the world total, while the U.S. churned out 3.4 billion gallons, 31 percent of the world's share. The country also exported 634 million gallons -- 112 million of that to the U.S. -- and its government is pushing to clear more land for production. Its vast size and tropical climate are perfect for the production of sugar cane, which is said to have better energy conversion rates than corn, the primary source for ethanol in the U.S. What's more, Brazilian producers burn cellulosic stalk of sugar cane to make energy that fuels the entire industrial process. That is why their production costs are half that of corn. I guess the downfall here is we lose our rainforests. Ain't Politics grand Peter, Oz > Why is corn being used to produce ethanol in the USA? > Brazil uses sugar > cane. > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, Ca 93454 > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.31/1031 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 12:12 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Sep 26 19:33:01 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:33:01 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I am not 100% convinced that subsidies are the answer in these discussions dont get me wrong i am all for supporting the people that are producing a product rather than making a living off trading off shares as at the end of it it doesnt help the economy during the 70s here the pin was pulled on farming subsidies at the time it caused alot of illwill from farmers some went out of business overall though many had to review how to make the business pay and be sustainable it was no longer a lifestyle choice it was running an efficient business i think that in the long run it has paid off cannot rely on handouts from the government because at some stage they will turn the tap off when the economy gets squeezed with the interest in ethanol it will mean better prices for the producers of cereals which i am in favor of rather than subsidies. Better to be in charge of your own destiny why be dependent on the government brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! At 03:30 PM 9/25/2007, you wrote: >G'Day Arnie > >wrong, the other "fact" is that you need to buy less >from the towel heads, screw them help your farmers >first > >Kerry That's the MOST IMPORTANT fact in my mind. Ethanol isn't going to help since not all cars can run on it and the ones that can use it loose 15-20% of their fuel mileage since it has less BTU's per gallon. Now, biodiesel is the one worth supporting, although the morons over here in the US have been scared away from diesels ever since GM brought out the 350 diesel bomb back in 1977. Biodiesel can be run in ANY engine, and no modifications need to be made (might need to replace fuel lines in really old cars). Most diesels will run BETTER on bio than they do on regular diesel. The raw material for making bio (vegetable oil) is also in ready supply. We already make millions of gallons of it each year for frying and cooking, and that oil is thrown out or recycled after it's used. Why not recycle it into biodiesel? I fully support biodiesel even though I'm in no way a GREEN person. I could care less about the environmental aspects of it. If it helps us buy less oil from the terrorists, then I'm all about it. -Tony _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Wed Sep 26 19:43:09 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:43:09 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <006201c800a9$fccf3490$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: Excellent idea good on them are they supplying there neighbours as well would be a good tool to barter with brent.. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! My cousins have been using Bio-Diesel for 8 years at around $0.25 a litre. The vehicles have never had a spanner (wrench) on them. One is a Toyota Landcruiser the other is a Rover car. They have fish & chip (fries) oil coming out of their ears and supply is more than they can use. Both have around 20 - 44gal drums of supply at any one time. They have a real professional home setup, even with their own bowsers. Peter, Oz > That's the MOST IMPORTANT fact in my mind. Ethanol isn't going to > help since not all cars can run on it and the ones that can use it > loose 15-20% of their fuel mileage since it has less BTU's per gallon. > > Now, biodiesel is the one worth supporting, although the morons over > here in the US have been scared away from diesels ever since GM > brought out the 350 diesel bomb back in 1977. Biodiesel can be run > in ANY engine, and no modifications need to be made (might need to > replace fuel lines in really old cars). Most diesels will run BETTER > on bio than they do on regular diesel. The raw material for making > bio (vegetable oil) is also in ready supply. We already make > millions of gallons of it each year for frying and cooking, and that > oil is thrown out or recycled after it's used. Why not recycle it > into biodiesel? > > I fully support biodiesel even though I'm in no way a GREEN > person. I could care less about the environmental aspects of it. If > it helps us buy less oil from the terrorists, then I'm all about it. > > -Tony _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 27 04:31:32 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:31:32 EDT Subject: [SEL] I'm back again Message-ID: In a message dated 9/10/2007 6:36:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: Also picked up a 2hp New Holland in real nice shape That is a nice engine George! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 27 04:59:42 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:59:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron Message-ID: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> I just got this put in the shed last night. Thus far, its the only one like this that I can come up with. Its a Dean Engine built in Covington (or Newport), KY. This baby is HEAVY for its HP. Its got an 8 1/2 inch bore and the flywheel rims have a 5 inch face (they're not crowned so they aren't electric lighting wheels). The engine is all original and I think it probably has the original oiler and compression release as if you go to Wendel's BYB (or BRB as the case may be) on page 121 in the upper right you'll see the engine from an old advertisement. It has a lobe on it where it looks like there might have been a fuel pump but if so, it hasn't been on the engine for many years as the grease is caked on in that area. Also, in the BYB you can't see a fuel pump but I can see the lobe. It might have been an option. Go to this website and you can look at some additional photos (I removed the 1 gallon gas tank that was on it). After you open, just go up to the arrow in the upper right corner and click it and you'll go to the next photo: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=75851485 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 27 05:28:26 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:28:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron References: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003c01c80101$e7d68590$240110ac@FAMILY> Tommy you old scoundrel, now I know why you were traveling the other day. WOW!, what an engine and what a find.....Congratulations on a super find and a super engine. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:59 AM Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 27 04:40:37 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:40:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46FB96B5.7080907@imc-group.com> Because the corn farming lobby got to Congress before the sugar beets farmers did??? Curt FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Why is corn being used to produce ethanol in the USA? Brazil uses sugar > cane. Sugar beets seem to be the ideal crop for this process. The only > disadvantage in using sugar beets is it will depress the price of sugar and the > converting plant must be near the beet fields. Sugar beets must be processed > almost immediately after being harvested to maintain a high sugar content. > Harvesting beets doesn't require an expensive combine. > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 27 06:28:59 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:28:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dates for next years Portland Message-ID: <001401c8010a$5cfc52c0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all The dates for Portland next year are Aug 20-24 2008, but I guess most of you already knew that ;-)) Who is going? Peter, Oz From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 27 06:47:12 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:47:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dates for next years Portland In-Reply-To: <001401c8010a$5cfc52c0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <001401c8010a$5cfc52c0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <1B304C05-04E8-4D34-9EB5-C85C275E0A6F@alltel.net> On Sep 27, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > The dates for Portland next year are Aug 20-24 2008, but I guess > most of you > already knew that ;-)) > Who is going? > Peter, Oz Peter Lowe said earlier that he will be 80% there! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 27 06:50:25 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:50:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <4E6CEAE1-7E61-4C84-9AD1-B255ED9F7229@alltel.net> > Welfare for the farmer? Give me a break! If it's that lucrative I > guess > quite a few of you will be going a million bucks in debt this fall > when you > start your farm. Just tell me how to get a combine that isn't older > than I > am!! > > John Hall US farmers have been taking public handouts for so long they don't even realize that it's WELFARE! Dave From oldironnut at alltel.net Thu Sep 27 06:57:36 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:57:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> <007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <46FBB6D0.7000705@alltel.net> John Hall wrote: > Welfare for the farmer? Give me a break! please see http://www.heritage.org/Research/Agriculture/BG1542.cfm Mike Versailles, Kentucky From falcon at telenet.net Thu Sep 27 07:14:32 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:14:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <46FBBAC8.8040601@telenet.net> Here is a small item. If you took ALL the corn currently grown and converted it to ethanol. You would come up with 12% of the fuel used in the US. The last number I saw basically said that in order to use corn alcohol for total replacement it would mean putting ALL the croplands available in the US into corn production. No corn left for food or any other use. Oh and the 10% you are using is the same thing that has been sold in the US since 1990. It is what most regular gas is now. The problem with flex fuel vehicles is that they don't use either fuel as well as one designed for just alcohol or gas. Timing, compression, and fuel flow all are different to get the best performance out of each fuel. Peter Lowe wrote: > You ever driven across the USA and see how much corn you guys produce. All > we saw for days and days was corn when we drove across in 1999 and 2003. > We use sugar cane here for ethanol. > My car uses 10% ethanol 90% unleaded and runs fine. > > The Pajero TR4 Flex, featuring a 2.0-liter engine capable on running on > blends from 100% gasoline to 100% ethanol, was launched in July of this > year. > >>From Brazil: > Brazil produced 4 billion gallons of ethanol in 2004, some 37 percent of the > world total, while the U.S. churned out 3.4 billion gallons, 31 percent of > the world's share. The country also exported 634 million gallons -- 112 > million of that to the U.S. -- and its government is pushing to clear more > land for production. Its vast size and tropical climate are perfect for the > production of sugar cane, which is said to have better energy conversion > rates than corn, the primary source for ethanol in the U.S. What's more, > Brazilian producers burn cellulosic stalk of sugar cane to make energy that > fuels the entire industrial process. That is why their production costs are > half that of corn. > > I guess the downfall here is we lose our rainforests. > > Ain't Politics grand > > Peter, Oz > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 27 07:22:13 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:22:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <031c01c800b3$f2b8c340$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> References: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech> <031c01c800b3$f2b8c340$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <285E411F-DB94-487A-ABD0-D7DF0E32BAC3@rustyiron.com> On Sep 26, 2007, at 8:10 PM, JIM KIRKES wrote: > Sugar cane has a much higher yield than corn and so gets a > better deal for the consumer. Corn is a loser sugar cane > just might come out ahead. Except, Jim, that sugar cane is artificially and prohibitively expensive in the United States. In an act of FARMER WELFARE, Congress has placed quotas and tariffs on sugar, driving the prices through the roof. Should we trade at all By Walter E. Williams Wednesday, October 25, 2006 There are only a handful of products that Americans import that cannot be produced at home and therefore create jobs for Americans. Let's look at a few of them. We import cocoa from Ghana and coffee from African and Latin American countries. We import saffron from Spain and India and cinnamon from Sri Lanka. In fact, India produces 86 percent of the world tonnage of spices. There's absolutely no reason these products cannot be produced by Americans, and we could be cocoa, coffee and spices independent. You say, "Williams, that's crazy! We don't have the climate and soil conditions to produce those products. Many spices, for example, require a moist tropical environment." No problem. We have the technology whereby we can simulate both the soil and weather conditions. We could build greenhouses in which to grow cinnamon trees and get our scientists to create the same soil conditions that exist in Sri Lanka. Greenhouses could also be built to simulate the climate conditions in Africa and Latin America to grow cocoa and coffee. In the case of cocoa, the greenhouses would have to be Superdome size to accommodate trees as high as 50 feet. You say, "Williams, that's still crazy! Imagine the high costs and the higher product prices of your crazy scheme." I say, "Aha, you're getting the picture." There are several nearly self-evident factors about our being cocoa, coffee and spices independent. Without a doubt, there would be job creation in our cocoa, coffee and spices industries, but consumers would pay a much higher price than they currently do. Therefore, nearly 300 million American consumers would be worse off, having to pay those higher prices or doing without, but those with the new jobs would be better off. So let's be honest with ourselves. Why do we choose to import cocoa, coffee and spices rather than produce them ourselves? The answer is that it is cheaper to do so. That means we enjoy a higher standard of living than if we tried to produce them ourselves. If we can enjoy, say, coffee, at a cheaper price than producing it ourselves, we have more money left over to buy other goods. That principle not only applies to cocoa, coffee and spices. It's a general principle: If a good can be purchased more cheaply abroad, we enjoy a higher standard of living by trading than we would by producing it ourselves. No one denies that international trade has unpleasant consequences for some workers. They have to find other jobs that might not pay as much, but should we protect those jobs through trade restrictions? The Washington-based Institute for International Economics has assembled data that might help with the answer. Tariffs and quotas on imported sugar saved 2,261 jobs during the 1990s. As a result of those restrictions, the average household pays $21 more per year for sugar. The total cost, nationally, sums to $826,000 for each job saved. Trade restrictions on luggage saved 226 jobs and cost consumers $1.2 million in higher prices for each job saved. Restrictions on apparel and textiles saved 168,786 jobs at a cost of nearly $200,000 for each job saved. You might wonder how it is possible for, say, the sugar industry to rip off consumers. After all, consumers are far more numerous than sugar workers and sugar bosses. It's easy. A lot is at stake for those in the sugar industry, workers and bosses. They dedicate huge resources to pressure Congress into enacting trade restrictions. But how many of us consumers will devote the same resources to unseat a congressman who voted for sugar restrictions that forced us to pay $21 more for the sugar our family uses? It's the problem of visible beneficiaries of trade restrictions, sugar workers and bosses, gaining at the expense of invisible victims -- sugar consumers. We might think of it as congressional price-gouging. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Sep 27 07:51:22 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:51:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech> <031c01c800b3$f2b8c340$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <285E411F-DB94-487A-ABD0-D7DF0E32BAC3@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <00a801c80115$df6469e0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Hi Rob, It was a general statement, I know that sugar cane is not viable here in the US. I wonder how sugar beets would do, anbody know? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! On Sep 26, 2007, at 8:10 PM, JIM KIRKES wrote: > Sugar cane has a much higher yield than corn and so gets a > better deal for the consumer. Corn is a loser sugar cane > just might come out ahead. Except, Jim, that sugar cane is artificially and prohibitively expensive in the United States. In an act of FARMER WELFARE, Congress has placed quotas and tariffs on sugar, driving the prices through the roof. Should we trade at all By Walter E. Williams Wednesday, October 25, 2006 There are only a handful of products that Americans import that cannot be produced at home and therefore create jobs for Americans. Let's look at a few of them. We import cocoa from Ghana and coffee from African and Latin American countries. We import saffron from Spain and India and cinnamon from Sri Lanka. In fact, India produces 86 percent of the world tonnage of spices. There's absolutely no reason these products cannot be produced by Americans, and we could be cocoa, coffee and spices independent. You say, "Williams, that's crazy! We don't have the climate and soil conditions to produce those products. Many spices, for example, require a moist tropical environment." No problem. We have the technology whereby we can simulate both the soil and weather conditions. We could build greenhouses in which to grow cinnamon trees and get our scientists to create the same soil conditions that exist in Sri Lanka. Greenhouses could also be built to simulate the climate conditions in Africa and Latin America to grow cocoa and coffee. In the case of cocoa, the greenhouses would have to be Superdome size to accommodate trees as high as 50 feet. You say, "Williams, that's still crazy! Imagine the high costs and the higher product prices of your crazy scheme." I say, "Aha, you're getting the picture." There are several nearly self-evident factors about our being cocoa, coffee and spices independent. Without a doubt, there would be job creation in our cocoa, coffee and spices industries, but consumers would pay a much higher price than they currently do. Therefore, nearly 300 million American consumers would be worse off, having to pay those higher prices or doing without, but those with the new jobs would be better off. So let's be honest with ourselves. Why do we choose to import cocoa, coffee and spices rather than produce them ourselves? The answer is that it is cheaper to do so. That means we enjoy a higher standard of living than if we tried to produce them ourselves. If we can enjoy, say, coffee, at a cheaper price than producing it ourselves, we have more money left over to buy other goods. That principle not only applies to cocoa, coffee and spices. It's a general principle: If a good can be purchased more cheaply abroad, we enjoy a higher standard of living by trading than we would by producing it ourselves. No one denies that international trade has unpleasant consequences for some workers. They have to find other jobs that might not pay as much, but should we protect those jobs through trade restrictions? The Washington-based Institute for International Economics has assembled data that might help with the answer. Tariffs and quotas on imported sugar saved 2,261 jobs during the 1990s. As a result of those restrictions, the average household pays $21 more per year for sugar. The total cost, nationally, sums to $826,000 for each job saved. Trade restrictions on luggage saved 226 jobs and cost consumers $1.2 million in higher prices for each job saved. Restrictions on apparel and textiles saved 168,786 jobs at a cost of nearly $200,000 for each job saved. You might wonder how it is possible for, say, the sugar industry to rip off consumers. After all, consumers are far more numerous than sugar workers and sugar bosses. It's easy. A lot is at stake for those in the sugar industry, workers and bosses. They dedicate huge resources to pressure Congress into enacting trade restrictions. But how many of us consumers will devote the same resources to unseat a congressman who voted for sugar restrictions that forced us to pay $21 more for the sugar our family uses? It's the problem of visible beneficiaries of trade restrictions, sugar workers and bosses, gaining at the expense of invisible victims -- sugar consumers. We might think of it as congressional price-gouging. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.31/1031 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 12:12 PM From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Thu Sep 27 07:58:41 2007 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:58:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> References: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003801c80116$e4f6b1a0$1402a8c0@Waynexp> Tommy, very nice find.....or did it find you? Looks too be nice and original with a little different igniter and very simple governor weights. You lucky dog! Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:00 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron I just got this put in the shed last night. Thus far, its the only one like this that I can come up with. Its a Dean Engine built in Covington (or Newport), KY. This baby is HEAVY for its HP. Its got an 8 1/2 inch bore and the flywheel rims have a 5 inch face (they're not crowned so they aren't electric lighting wheels). The engine is all original and I think it probably has the original oiler and compression release as if you go to Wendel's BYB (or BRB as the case may be) on page 121 in the upper right you'll see the engine from an old advertisement. It has a lobe on it where it looks like there might have been a fuel pump but if so, it hasn't been on the engine for many years as the grease is caked on in that area. Also, in the BYB you can't see a fuel pump but I can see the lobe. It might have been an option. Go to this website and you can look at some additional photos (I removed the 1 gallon gas tank that was on it). After you open, just go up to the arrow in the upper right corner and click it and you'll go to the next photo: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=75851485 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From JR504 at aol.com Thu Sep 27 08:10:51 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:10:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/27/2007 10:18:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, falcon at telenet.net writes: Here is a small item. If you took ALL the corn currently grown and converted it to ethanol. You would come up with 12% of the fuel used in the US. The last number I saw basically said that in order to use corn alcohol for total replacement it would mean putting ALL the croplands available in the US into corn production. No corn left for food or any other use. The same thing is true for Biodiesel. I've seen similar numbers talked about at the National Biodiesel Convention. If we took all the waste grease and all the soy beans produced in the country, then used all the fallow crop land and grew more soy beans....turned all of it into Biodiesel, we'd only produce about 20% of our current daily consumption of diesel fuel. Here's the bottom line as I see it. There is probably never going to be a single energy source that is going to replace petroleum as transportation energy. There's no magic bullet on the horizon. We're going to need every viable source of energy to deal with the increasing prices, (and someday lower supply) of Petroleum. I don't believe ethanol is the cure simply because it takes more than a gallon of petroleum to make a gallon on ethanol. Why bother? It's politics at it's most ridiculous. There is still hope for biodiesel, Most recently they're working on growing a couple of different types of slime in large vats. One yielded 80% oil content which really cuts down on the acreage required to feed our oil addiction. Now if we could only get them to grow at sewage treatment plants we'd be getting somewhere. Joe Joe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From kimmell at verizon.net Thu Sep 27 08:57:51 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:57:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0JP100JYYB1EF1B0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> At 10:10 AM 9/27/2007, you wrote: >Here's the bottom line as I see it. There is probably never going to be a >single energy source that is going to replace petroleum as transportation >energy. There's no magic bullet on the horizon. We're going to need every >viable source of energy to deal with the increasing prices. There is a great source of "alternative" fuel. It's called ANWR. Now lets go ask the idiot liberals and reality-challenged eco-nazi's WHY we're not using it. Sure there's potential for environmental damage, but it's no greater than the potential for damage by funding the terrorists when we buy their oil. I think I'd rather stick with the former... From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 27 12:22:00 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:22:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <000001c800ae$a5596d70$0601a8c0@altech><031c01c800b3$f2b8c340$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> <285E411F-DB94-487A-ABD0-D7DF0E32BAC3@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <003001c8013b$adc92d00$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> ? It's the problem of visible > beneficiaries >>>>>>>>>>>>. How much cash are they laying out for the guys building the distilleries ? These are big honkin' facilities . ADM built a bunch at great expense , who gets paid for all that in the end ? Does ADM file a loss after a few years and then their construction arm , the concrete affilliate and the stainless steel tubing subsidiary all "break even" ? Chuck Ps On a somewhat related note , has anybody tried the Sma Adams Utopias ? From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 27 11:21:02 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:21:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: Message-ID: <010601c80133$29bf9380$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> You can always sell your sheep as whores in the middle east. skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of peter ogborne > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > Dave not sure if your aware no money in sheep wool prices are real low and > farmers are getting low returns on lamb and mutton most farmers here are > doing dairy conversions as more money in dairy products brent nz > > Fine Dave........I am sure Brent could take it ,N Z ed ers are a tough lot > ,just have a look at the Rugby Union World Cup ...What's that funny game > you > play over there ? Grid Iron I am told ,all that padding ,bit like cross > dressing. The sheep are OK but I do worry about you blokes in the US and > snake dancing ,we have trouser snakes, is it the same? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> Hi Peter, I'm sure that Brent took it the way it was meant--as a >> joke. However, it's good to hear from you my old friend. It's been a >> long time! >> Dave >> PS, How are the sheep? >> >> On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:51 AM, peter ogborne wrote: >> >>> Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. >>> We have >>> some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a >>> serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to >>> respond >>> to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "tamatea whanau" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>> >>> >>>> Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have >>>> already >>>> i >>>> have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds >>>> interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David >>>> Rotigel >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested >>>> I can send pictures. >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: >>>> >>>>> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >>>>> is dearer >>>>> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >>>>> as it is >>>>> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >>>>> look so >>>>> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >>>>> go down >>>>> in a hurry brent >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >>>>> JR504 at aol.com >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM >>>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>>> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >>>>> >>>>> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >>>>> farmers? >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >>>>> exist >>>>> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >>>>> proposition. >>>>> We >>>>> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >>>>> Definitely >>>>> backwards >>>>> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >>>>> into 80 >>>>> cents and think they've come out ahead. >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >>>>> www.aol.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>>> 9/23/2007 >>>>> 1:53 PM >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>>> 9/23/2007 >>>>> 1:53 PM >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>> 9/23/2007 >>>> 1:53 PM >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: > 9/26/2007 > 8:20 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: > 9/26/2007 > 8:20 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: > 9/25/2007 8:02 AM > > From rex002 at centurytel.net Thu Sep 27 16:04:33 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:04:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <010601c80133$29bf9380$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <001201c8015a$c80786c0$6500a8c0@home> Aw heck were forgetting animal fat , can't lard be turned into bio diesel ? if all us humans would eat all the corn, sugar cane and beets we could produce enough lard to shut the oil fields down completely , and don't forget the Doctors and medical staff we would be supporting when they suck all the fat out of us , they could drop their office visits down to maybe 3 or 4 hundred dollars ? and we could keep the sheep for ourselves, Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Cleveland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > You can always sell your sheep as whores in the middle east. > skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tamatea whanau" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of peter >> ogborne >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:54 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> Dave not sure if your aware no money in sheep wool prices are real low >> and >> farmers are getting low returns on lamb and mutton most farmers here are >> doing dairy conversions as more money in dairy products brent nz >> >> Fine Dave........I am sure Brent could take it ,N Z ed ers are a tough >> lot >> ,just have a look at the Rugby Union World Cup ...What's that funny game >> you >> play over there ? Grid Iron I am told ,all that padding ,bit like cross >> dressing. The sheep are OK but I do worry about you blokes in the US and >> snake dancing ,we have trouser snakes, is it the same? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:22 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> >> >>> Hi Peter, I'm sure that Brent took it the way it was meant--as a >>> joke. However, it's good to hear from you my old friend. It's been a >>> long time! >>> Dave >>> PS, How are the sheep? >>> >>> On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:51 AM, peter ogborne wrote: >>> >>>> Brent ,I would not even dignify the previous comments with a reply. >>>> We have >>>> some smart arse people on this list .Your comments were posted with a >>>> serious intention, not for some patronising, big head know all to >>>> respond >>>> to.Still if it makes them feel good I guess they will continue. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "tamatea whanau" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:52 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dave thanks for the offer on the bridge but because of what i have >>>>> already >>>>> i >>>>> have no room for it what were you intending to do with it..Sounds >>>>> interesting i am sure someone out there must need a bridge.brent >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David >>>>> Rotigel >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18 AM >>>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Tamatea, I have a very nice bridge for sale. If you are interested >>>>> I can send pictures. >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:58 AM, tamatea whanau wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Maybe the feds know something we dont know at the moment the price >>>>>> is dearer >>>>>> to produce ethanol than petrol but if the price goes up for petrol >>>>>> as it is >>>>>> here substantially over the last 15months the alternative may not >>>>>> look so >>>>>> bad, food for thought i will be surprised if we see the price will >>>>>> go down >>>>>> in a hurry brent >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >>>>>> JR504 at aol.com >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:50 PM >>>>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>>>> rotigel at alltel.net writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> Another vote for the continuation of this welfare program for >>>>>> farmers? >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree that the Ethanol program is farmer welfare. It wouldn't >>>>>> exist >>>>>> without gov't subsidies. Making ethanol for fuel is a losing >>>>>> proposition. >>>>>> We >>>>>> burn more gas/diesel making ethanol than we get out of it? >>>>>> Definitely >>>>>> backwards >>>>>> economics. Only the Feds think it makes sense to turn a dollar >>>>>> into 80 >>>>>> cents and think they've come out ahead. >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >>>>>> www.aol.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>>>> 9/23/2007 >>>>>> 1:53 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>>>> 9/23/2007 >>>>>> 1:53 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>>> 9/23/2007 >>>>> 1:53 PM >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >>>>> 9/23/2007 >>>>> 1:53 PM >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: >> 9/26/2007 >> 8:20 PM >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: >> 9/26/2007 >> 8:20 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: >> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 27 16:53:27 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:53:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <003801c80116$e4f6b1a0$1402a8c0@Waynexp> References: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> <003801c80116$e4f6b1a0$1402a8c0@Waynexp> Message-ID: <46FC4277.7060000@scrtc.com> Wayne, Believe it or not, it found me. A long time friend called me and said he found it and wanted to know if I wanted it since it was made in Kentucky. A great friend indeed! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Wayne Thackery wrote: >Tommy, very nice find.....or did it find you? Looks too be nice and original >with a little different igniter and very simple governor weights. You lucky >dog! > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy >Turner >Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:00 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron > >I just got this put in the shed last night. Thus far, its the only one >like this that I can come up with. Its a Dean Engine built in Covington >(or Newport), KY. This baby is HEAVY for its HP. Its got an 8 1/2 inch >bore and the flywheel rims have a 5 inch face (they're not crowned so >they aren't electric lighting wheels). The engine is all original and I >think it probably has the original oiler and compression release as if >you go to Wendel's BYB (or BRB as the case may be) on page 121 in the >upper right you'll see the engine from an old advertisement. It has a >lobe on it where it looks like there might have been a fuel pump but if >so, it hasn't been on the engine for many years as the grease is caked >on in that area. Also, in the BYB you can't see a fuel pump but I can >see the lobe. It might have been an option. Go to this website and you >can look at some additional photos (I removed the 1 gallon gas tank that >was on it). After you open, just go up to the arrow in the upper right >corner and click it and you'll go to the next photo: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=75851485 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 27 16:58:45 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:58:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! Message-ID: <00f601c80162$57a4cca0$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find one as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him haul it home. If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: Germoamer at aol.com Thanks, Paul From jbcast at charter.net Thu Sep 27 17:33:39 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:33:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <46FC4277.7060000@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20070927203339.DVK96.45626.root@fepweb16> Nice find Tommy. Do you know the history of it, what did it power? Suprising to see an old engine on this "corn gas bust list". J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Sep 27 17:46:16 2007 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:46:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! In-Reply-To: <00f601c80162$57a4cca0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00f601c80162$57a4cca0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000401c80168$fee97b40$3464a8c0@Eagle> There is a fellow in Indiana who rebuilds windmills and builds new ones. He comes to some of the local engine/tractor shows. I don't have his address/ phone number handy. I will look for it. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:59 PM To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find one as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him haul it home. If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: Germoamer at aol.com Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 27 17:54:08 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:54:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! Message-ID: <380-2200795280548805@M2W035.mail2web.com> I am also looking for a three sided tower for my 6 foot Southern Cross wind mill here in Oz if anyone can help. The 6 footers are used on the coast where the winds are stronger. Peter, Oz Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find one as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him haul it home. If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: Germoamer at aol.com Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 17:56:42 2007 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:56:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <46fc513d.15528c0a.78a8.ffffc34a@mx.google.com> Very nice engine Tommy. I would guess there are not many of these in existence. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I just got this put in the shed last night. Thus far, its the only one like this that I can come up with. Its a Dean Engine built in Covington (or Newport), KY. This baby is HEAVY for its HP. Its got an 8 1/2 inch bore and the flywheel rims have a 5 inch face (they're not crowned so they aren't electric lighting wheels). The engine is all original and I think it probably has the original oiler and compression release as if you go to Wendel's BYB (or BRB as the case may be) on page 121 in the upper right you'll see the engine from an old advertisement. It has a lobe on it where it looks like there might have been a fuel pump but if so, it hasn't been on the engine for many years as the grease is caked on in that area. Also, in the BYB you can't see a fuel pump but I can see the lobe. It might have been an option. Go to this website and you can look at some additional photos (I removed the 1 gallon gas tank that was on it). After you open, just go up to the arrow in the upper right corner and click it and you'll go to the next photo: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=75851485 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 27 18:02:24 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <20070927203339.DVK96.45626.root@fepweb16> Message-ID: <442892.21092.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My thoughts exactly, JB. That sure is a great friend to have Tommy. jbcast at charter.net wrote: Nice find Tommy. Do you know the history of it, what did it power? Suprising to see an old engine on this "corn gas bust list". J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Thu Sep 27 18:05:45 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:05:45 +1200 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <46FB9B2E.2020900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Tommy one nice looking machine appears to be in good order fantastic great discovery . brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 12:00 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron I just got this put in the shed last night. Thus far, its the only one like this that I can come up with. Its a Dean Engine built in Covington (or Newport), KY. This baby is HEAVY for its HP. Its got an 8 1/2 inch bore and the flywheel rims have a 5 inch face (they're not crowned so they aren't electric lighting wheels). The engine is all original and I think it probably has the original oiler and compression release as if you go to Wendel's BYB (or BRB as the case may be) on page 121 in the upper right you'll see the engine from an old advertisement. It has a lobe on it where it looks like there might have been a fuel pump but if so, it hasn't been on the engine for many years as the grease is caked on in that area. Also, in the BYB you can't see a fuel pump but I can see the lobe. It might have been an option. Go to this website and you can look at some additional photos (I removed the 1 gallon gas tank that was on it). After you open, just go up to the arrow in the upper right corner and click it and you'll go to the next photo: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=75851485 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Sep 27 18:28:31 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:28:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net><007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> <46FBB6D0.7000705@alltel.net> Message-ID: <007901c8016e$e22a1c20$46d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Good article! Note one of the first things it points out is that family sized farming operations keep getting less of the "welfare". The family farms are the ones I care about--not the mega corporations. I suppose they are OK if they are comprised of say 5-6 individuals in the same family. I know a few that are multi-generation partnerships but are not these mega-huge operataions. Bottom line is if the big guys didn't get the welfare, they would probably be out of business, which would in turn mean more smaller guys, who can't grow it as cheap, so then the commodities prices would go up meaning YOU and ME would have to ante-up a tad more at the grocery store. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! > John Hall wrote: >> Welfare for the farmer? Give me a break! > please see http://www.heritage.org/Research/Agriculture/BG1542.cfm > > Mike > Versailles, Kentucky > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 27 18:31:22 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:31:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A heavy hunk of iron In-Reply-To: <46fc513d.15528c0a.78a8.ffffc34a@mx.google.com> References: <46fc513d.15528c0a.78a8.ffffc34a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46FC596A.4000006@scrtc.com> Patrick, This is the only Dean engine that I know of and I've inquired with a lot of folks. I don't know how many they made but I would doubt if the number was very large. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >Very nice engine Tommy. I would guess there are not many of these in >existence. >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- > >I just got this put in the shed last night. Thus far, its the only one >like this that I can come up with. Its a Dean Engine built in Covington >(or Newport), KY. This baby is HEAVY for its HP. Its got an 8 1/2 inch >bore and the flywheel rims have a 5 inch face (they're not crowned so >they aren't electric lighting wheels). The engine is all original and I >think it probably has the original oiler and compression release as if >you go to Wendel's BYB (or BRB as the case may be) on page 121 in the >upper right you'll see the engine from an old advertisement. It has a >lobe on it where it looks like there might have been a fuel pump but if >so, it hasn't been on the engine for many years as the grease is caked >on in that area. Also, in the BYB you can't see a fuel pump but I can >see the lobe. It might have been an option. Go to this website and you >can look at some additional photos (I removed the 1 gallon gas tank that >was on it). After you open, just go up to the arrow in the upper right >corner and click it and you'll go to the next photo: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30367497&p=75851485 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Sep 27 18:38:22 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:38:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! References: <742328.12671.qm@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com><0JP0007FL6GN40V0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net><007401c800a9$9fef9210$dad64c0c@D48VHZ61> <4E6CEAE1-7E61-4C84-9AD1-B255ED9F7229@alltel.net> Message-ID: <007c01c80170$422ab840$46d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Yes Dave, we do get handouts. And the small farmers can barely make it worth the risk. Tiny farmers like me don't do it for the money. So should we cut out the handouts and let the most efficient (which would be the largest) survive? My only answer would be to drop the subsidies and limit the maximum size of the farm.Raise the price of commodities so they can be affordably grown. And let everyone bellyache in the checkout line about how much the farmer gets paid when actually the bulk of your grocery dollar goes elsewhere. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! >> Welfare for the farmer? Give me a break! If it's that lucrative I >> guess >> quite a few of you will be going a million bucks in debt this fall >> when you >> start your farm. Just tell me how to get a combine that isn't older >> than I >> am!! >> >> John Hall > > US farmers have been taking public handouts for so long they don't > even realize that it's WELFARE! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Sep 27 18:40:46 2007 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:40:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! In-Reply-To: <00f601c80162$57a4cca0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00f601c80162$57a4cca0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000301c80170$9a2155e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> I may have been incorrect about him being in Indiana. His phone number is 419-422-3765. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:59 PM To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find one as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him haul it home. If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: Germoamer at aol.com Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Thu Sep 27 19:15:38 2007 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:15:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! Message-ID: <410-22007952821538484@earthlink.net> I sent him an email Paul, I have 8' dempster with a 40' tower for sale. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Paul Maples > To: > Date: 9/27/2007 7:00:25 PM > Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! > > Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find one as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him haul it home. > > If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: Germoamer at aol.com > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 27 19:31:13 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:31:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! References: <410-22007952821538484@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <016f01c80177$a465cc50$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Tim, I hope you guys can get together. Let me know how it comes out. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! >I sent him an email Paul, I have 8' dempster with a 40' tower for sale. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Paul Maples >> To: >> Date: 9/27/2007 7:00:25 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! >> >> Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a > windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find > one > as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him > haul it home. >> >> If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: > Germoamer at aol.com >> >> Thanks, >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: > 9/27/2007 5:00 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Thu Sep 27 20:58:30 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:58:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: References: <003001c7ffcb$4f009270$ed01b750$@net.au> Message-ID: <000001c80183$d9afcda0$8d0f68e0$@net.au> Brent My son and I have quite a collection of Villiers stuff. The web sight is well out of date as well as the email address. I need to update it, but it hasn't received the priority it should. All our Villiers engines are still in South Australia. We moved to Queensland in the middle of last year, and a lot of stuff was left behind. One day we will move back and do some more with them. My son now lives in Alice Springs, which is also a long way from Naracoorte. All I have with me about Villiers are manuals and photos. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of tamatea whanau Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:16 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on villier moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors and machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you hopefully will hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not impossible for those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even make your own soap from the by products . From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Sep 27 23:50:13 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:50:13 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! References: <380-2200795280548805@M2W035.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <000701c8019b$d5dfed00$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Got the tower and the fan and gearbox ....in the process of trying to marry a Southern Cross to a Metters,not easy. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! >I am also looking for a three sided tower for my 6 foot Southern Cross wind > mill here in Oz if anyone can help. The 6 footers are used on the coast > where the winds are stronger. > Peter, Oz > > > > > > > Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a > windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find > one > as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him > haul it home. > > If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: > Germoamer at aol.com > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Sep 28 02:34:38 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:04:38 +0930 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Paskeville_revisited?= References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech><000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos><6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com><000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos> <7.0.1.0.1.20070925075054.01b00c30@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <003001c801b2$cb334340$5bcbae3a@chaos> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32591552&f= The Hornsby model was made by a member of the Copper Coast club, now his health has slowed the project. From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 28 04:11:52 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:11:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! References: <380-2200795280548805@M2W035.mail2web.com> <000701c8019b$d5dfed00$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001701c801c0$5fdfa4e0$0601a8c0@altech> I have the top half of a Comet tower, about 12 feet, but they are different where the gear box attaches. Peter Got the tower and the fan and gearbox ....in the process of trying to marry a Southern Cross to a Metters,not easy. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! >I am also looking for a three sided tower for my 6 foot Southern Cross wind > mill here in Oz if anyone can help. The 6 footers are used on the coast > where the winds are stronger. > Peter, Oz > > > > > > > Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a > windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find > one > as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him > haul it home. > > If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: > Germoamer at aol.com > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Sep 28 07:00:05 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:00:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price In-Reply-To: <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> References: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback guys. I talked with her about the Hercules and she is asking for 500. Said she would take 400 and nothing less. I'm going to think it over for a bit........Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA=================> From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:49 AM> Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price> > > >> > Hi Everybody,> >> > I just picked up a nice little 1.5hp Economy with Webster mag and one of > > those square boxy Faribanks Morse engines. A guy I knew from the local > > shows passed away and his wife is selling off his stuff.> >> > She has a cute little 4 cylinder Hercules, radiator cooled that says > > "Hercules Power" on the raidator. It has all of the metal shrouds, fired > > by a coil and distributor. Has a clutch type deal on the rear of the > > engine that engages and disengages a flat belt pulley. She says that she's > > heard it run. It looks like the one I found here except ALOT smaller.> >> > http://www.w-t-p.com/2004/C09-5483.jpg> >> > I'd like to bring it home but don't have a clue about the value of it. > > What is a fair price for the engine?> >> > Luke Tonneberger> > Rockford, Michigan> > USA> > _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Sep 28 07:00:26 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:00:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price In-Reply-To: <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> References: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> <007201c80078$1af2bb90$5ebb123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback guys. I talked with her about the Hercules and she is asking for 500. Said she would take 400 and nothing less. I'm going to think it over for a bit........Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA=================> From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:49 AM> Subject: [SEL] Hercules Power Plant Price> > > >> > Hi Everybody,> >> > I just picked up a nice little 1.5hp Economy with Webster mag and one of > > those square boxy Faribanks Morse engines. A guy I knew from the local > > shows passed away and his wife is selling off his stuff.> >> > She has a cute little 4 cylinder Hercules, radiator cooled that says > > "Hercules Power" on the raidator. It has all of the metal shrouds, fired > > by a coil and distributor. Has a clutch type deal on the rear of the > > engine that engages and disengages a flat belt pulley. She says that she's > > heard it run. It looks like the one I found here except ALOT smaller.> >> > http://www.w-t-p.com/2004/C09-5483.jpg> >> > I'd like to bring it home but don't have a clue about the value of it. > > What is a fair price for the engine?> >> > Luke Tonneberger> > Rockford, Michigan> > USA> > _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Sep 28 10:32:49 2007 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:32:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It sounds like you might be looking for Mr. Tracy Porter of Greenfield, IN. He's a big fellow with a ZZ top beard. I don't have his # handy but I can get it for you. Let me know. > Message: 5> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:58:45 -0500> From: "Paul Maples" > Subject: [SEL] Wind Mill - Looking for one!> To: > Message-ID: <00f601c80162$57a4cca0$240110ac at FAMILY>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Ok gang my good friend and long time SEL member, Tom Germoamer, needs a windmill. He had sent me an e-mail asking if I knew where he could find one as a friend of mine got one a couple of years ago in Iowa and I helped him haul it home.> > If anyone knows where one is that can be had please e-mail Tom at: Germoamer at aol.com> > Thanks,> > Paul _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Sep 28 14:09:49 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:09:49 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! In-Reply-To: <000001c80183$d9afcda0$8d0f68e0$@net.au> Message-ID: Good to hear from you Steve great to hear you still have your collection havent found that many people collecting them and not that much info around on them i have a few of the nz made morrison mowers with the villier 2stroke engine consider them to be one of the best home reel mowers because of there simple design and great manuvouring capability only requires one finger to change direction i have other mowers such as acto ,masport,rotocuts,flymo my favorite engine is the 2 stroke villier with the pepper pot exhaust mainly as it looks and sounds like a stationary moter esp when you polish up the brass flywheel still use them to cut the lawns and they do a great job brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steven N Kitto Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:59 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Brent My son and I have quite a collection of Villiers stuff. The web sight is well out of date as well as the email address. I need to update it, but it hasn't received the priority it should. All our Villiers engines are still in South Australia. We moved to Queensland in the middle of last year, and a lot of stuff was left behind. One day we will move back and do some more with them. My son now lives in Alice Springs, which is also a long way from Naracoorte. All I have with me about Villiers are manuals and photos. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of tamatea whanau Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:16 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corn-gas a BUST! Steve how are you we havent met but i saw your site a while back on villier moters am keen on them myself i have a collection of various motors and machinery your email wouldnt work when i tried to contact you hopefully will hear from you.The government are making it difficult but not impossible for those interested here is a site on making your own bio fuels even make your own soap from the by products . _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM From dleis at centurytel.net Fri Sep 28 17:24:04 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:24:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine Message-ID: <001601c8022f$13522c50$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi List I need some help identifying this engine and is it hit & miss or throttle governed i think it is a stover and about what hp is it? thanks for the help Stacy :-) http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4472152&a=32591369&pw From cwja at telus.net Fri Sep 28 18:41:39 2007 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:41:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Winco Generator withTecumseh Message-ID: <46FDAD53.9010102@telus.net> Does anyone have a small 3.5 hp Tecumseh powerd Winco 1500 Watt, 13 amp Generator. I would be interested to find the date of manufacture and the source of the distributor company of this unit. The Winco websites seem to only deal with current models and I suspect this is about 1960's. It runs great and generates fine power for my jigsaw and electric drill. My model # for the Tecumseh engine is H35 4532M and the serial # is 6236B . Any info would be welcome. Thanks Jeff -- Jeff & Marja Allen at Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From glenn.karch at verizon.net Fri Sep 28 19:24:20 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:24:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine References: <001601c8022f$13522c50$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <004401c8023f$d96c7ca0$89ea123f@D8LJ7K91> Stacy, That is an Economy engine made by Stover for Sears catalog sales. These were made from for Sears from 1935 until 1939. There should be a casting date on the block behind one of the flywheels. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacy Leis" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine > Hi List > > I need some help identifying this engine and is it hit & miss or > throttle governed i think it is a stover and about what hp is it? thanks > for the help > > Stacy > :-) > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4472152&a=32591369&pw > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Sep 29 04:01:46 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:01:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine Message-ID: <092920071101.19366.46FE309A0009A91100004BA6219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Stacy, Send me the serial number and I will be glad to date the Stover engine you have next trip to our club museum. We have the Stover records. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Stacy Leis" To: Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:29:40 +0000 > Hi List > > I need some help identifying this engine and is it hit & miss or throttle > governed i think it is a stover and about what hp is it? thanks for the help > > Stacy :-) > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4472152&a=32591369&pw > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 29 08:59:41 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:59:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1D8A2AC1-F74C-4932-B204-8C59EA54F078@alltel.net> Hi Rob, I just re-listed it on e-Bay. The number is 270171341165 in case you want to take a look. Dave On Sep 21, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Is that sweet International still available? > > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:58 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> Whassup? You forgot the most important attribute of your >> "dedicated trailer" >> engines; namely that you're up and running and enjoying a cold beer >> while I'm >> still unloading engines from the trailer!! From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 29 09:34:55 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:34:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: <1D8A2AC1-F74C-4932-B204-8C59EA54F078@alltel.net> References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> <1D8A2AC1-F74C-4932-B204-8C59EA54F078@alltel.net> Message-ID: On Sep 29, 2007, at 8:59 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Rob, I just re-listed it on e-Bay. The number is 270171341165 in > case you want to take a look. > Dave > Do you deliver to the west coast? Did you advertise it at www.irontrader.com? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 29 09:40:06 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:40:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: <1D8A2AC1-F74C-4932-B204-8C59EA54F078@alltel.net> References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> <1D8A2AC1-F74C-4932-B204-8C59EA54F078@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1191084006.46fe7fe661037@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, Damn, that's lookin' GOOD!! You should also put it on the eBay section of Harry's classified ads. See ya, Arnine Quoting David Rotigel : > Hi Rob, I just re-listed it on e-Bay. The number is 270171341165 in > case you want to take a look. > Dave > On Sep 21, 2007, at 1:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Is that sweet International still available? > > > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:58 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> Whassup? You forgot the most important attribute of your > >> "dedicated trailer" engines; namely that you're up and > >> running and enjoying a cold beer while I'm > >> still unloading engines from the trailer!! From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 29 10:51:51 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:51:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice 15 hp IHC on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1189925904.46ecd4109470f@webmail.city-net.com> <1D8A2AC1-F74C-4932-B204-8C59EA54F078@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Rob, On Sep 29, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> Hi Rob, I just re-listed it on e-Bay. The number is 270171341165 in >> case you want to take a look. >> Dave >> > > Do you deliver to the west coast? That could be arranged! Dave PS, Have not put it on Harry's page as yet. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Sep 29 16:47:43 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:47:43 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. Message-ID: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . I have a number of items that i would like to re plate . They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 29 17:08:48 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:08:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <20BD4504-B084-41E1-96D9-77F53F689031@rustyiron.com> On Sep 29, 2007, at 4:47 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > > Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . > I have a > number of items that i would like to re plate . > They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. Hi Peter, Not specifically nickel, but this company offers a variety of plating kits. http://www.caswellplating.com They make some good stuff. Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 29 17:22:50 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <420537.94949.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW, Peter !!! Great timing here. I want any info you get. I would like to re-plate parts on a 122 year old Majestic Wood Cook Stove that I have out in my garage. This picture on the internet is awesome. I don't want to take my stove quite this far. Mine is a little different from this one because mine has a copper water reservoir on the left end and mine doesn't have that little shelf on the right end. Mine also has four removable lids and the one shown has six. Mine has a solid panel in the center. My stove was in full time use from the Spring of 1885 to the Fall of 1985. Then on it's last day of use it cooked breakfast then we tore the house down around it and slid it onto my trailer. It has been on a cart in my garage for the last 22 years. It is going to enter it's next career in 2008 traveling to engine shows with me heating laundry water, cooking meals and making soap. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan peter ogborne wrote: Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . I have a number of items that i would like to re plate . They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 29 17:57:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:57:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <2A249138-8E58-4503-B1ED-FC7BCB21E4C2@alltel.net> Yes! Dave On Sep 29, 2007, at 7:47 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > > Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . > Peter Ogborne From driggars at wildblue.net Sat Sep 29 19:41:08 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:41:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000501c802f3$256abdc0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <46FF0CC4.8060100@wildblue.net> Peter I have a home/hobby plating setup try this group out, I will approve you right away http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/electroplating Clint peter ogborne wrote: > Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . I have a > number of items that i would like to re plate . > They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 29 19:52:05 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <46FF0CC4.8060100@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <686539.95824.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Me too please !!! Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Clint D wrote: Peter I have a home/hobby plating setup try this group out, I will approve you right away http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/electroplating Clint peter ogborne wrote: > Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . I have a > number of items that i would like to re plate . > They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 29 19:53:58 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <46FF0CC4.8060100@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wait a minute here,,,,, I guess I am already a member there,,,,, I will go back and turn on the email.\ Alan Clint D wrote: Peter I have a home/hobby plating setup try this group out, I will approve you right away http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/electroplating Clint peter ogborne wrote: > Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . I have a > number of items that i would like to re plate . > They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. From driggars at wildblue.net Sat Sep 29 20:15:03 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:15:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net> Alan just speak up over there, also make sure you check the files and links sections, look for the oldies1955 web link Clint Alan Bowen wrote: > Wait a minute here,,,,, > I guess I am already a member there,,,,, > I will go back and turn on the email.\ > > Alan > > Clint D wrote: Peter > > I have a home/hobby plating setup > > try this group out, I will approve you right away > http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/electroplating > > Clint > > peter ogborne wrote: > >> Has anybody had any experience of Nickel Plating on a small scale . I have a >> number of items that i would like to re plate . >> They are mainly vintage motor cycle parts. >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 29 20:59:49 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:59:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> Clint I am joining the group to as I have some plating I want to do.I have submitted my membership, how long does it take to get approved? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. > From driggars at wildblue.net Sat Sep 29 21:56:27 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:56:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net> <00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <46FF2C7B.5040905@wildblue.net> Paul I approved you right after you signed up Clint Paul Maples wrote: > Clint I am joining the group to as I have some plating I want to do.I have > submitted my membership, how long does it take to get approved? > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Sep 30 03:41:23 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:41:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Message-ID: <093020071041.13262.46FF7D5300008403000033CE219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi All, I have a flat head six cyl engine with a head bolt broken off. Its been advised to use a product called MO-44 Rust Buster (Supco Products) along with heat to remove the broken stud. Was wonderinging if any one has used this product with any success? thank you in advance, Curt Andree From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 30 06:16:35 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:16:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Message-ID: In a message dated 9/30/2007 6:43:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cgandree at mchsi.com writes: heat to remove the broken stud. Heat works wonders on stuck bolts! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 30 06:50:14 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:50:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net><00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46FF2C7B.5040905@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <001001c80368$d490f150$240110ac@FAMILY> I saw that Clint and regretted sending the notice out.Some of the groups have instant approval and some I have subscribed to have actually taken a couple of days to get approved. I assume this is because the moderator does not monitor the site all of the time. Clint I surfed through some of the links and pictures but did not find any instructions for building a simple basic system for nickel or chrome. Is there somewhere on the site that gives basic instructions as to what combinations of chemicals, their volumes needed, current requirements, anode and cathode bars needed, etc., to have a small plating system say in buckets or something similar. This info may be on your site and I just did not see it. I worked for 35 years at a manufacturing plant and the plating guy and I were good friends as well as I worked on his plating tanks a lot and I know that on nickel plating the part went though a reverse current cleaning tank that I think had phosphoric acid in it, then through a rinse thank and then through a nickel bath tank that had electrodes on it. These were large 400 gallons bath. I think I remember about five or six tanks in the process. I just want a little small system for plating a few small parts for the beginning. Thanks for all of the help. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. > Paul > > I approved you right after you signed up > Clint > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 30 07:34:58 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:34:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck References: <093020071041.13262.46FF7D5300008403000033CE219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003401c8036f$14561c60$240110ac@FAMILY> Curt how much of the stud is still sticking above the casting. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Old eng list" ; "SEL Lists" Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 5:41 AM Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck > Hi All, > I have a flat head six cyl engine with a head bolt broken off. Its been > advised to use a product called MO-44 Rust Buster (Supco Products) along > with > heat to remove the broken stud. Was wonderinging if any one has used this > product with any success? > thank you in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Sep 30 08:01:26 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:01:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Message-ID: In a message dated 9/30/2007 7:43:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: Curt how much of the stud is still sticking above the casting. Is the head removed? If so, place a nut (with a diameter slightly smaller than the diameter of the broken stud) over the broken stud and carefully arc weld the nut to the stud. Let cool and it should unscrew with a wrench. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca 93454 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From driggars at wildblue.net Sun Sep 30 08:45:24 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:45:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. In-Reply-To: <001001c80368$d490f150$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net><00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46FF2C7B.5040905@wildblue.net> <001001c80368$d490f150$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <46FFC494.2070300@wildblue.net> Paul In the links section is the Oldies1955 site which was created by the group owner, it goes thru all the basics of getting started on a small hobby status. here is a link Hope this helps Clint Paul Maples wrote: > I saw that Clint and regretted sending the notice out.Some of the groups > have instant approval and some I have subscribed to have actually taken a > couple of days to get approved. I assume this is because the moderator does > not monitor the site all of the time. > > Clint I surfed through some of the links and pictures but did not find any > instructions for building a simple basic system for nickel or chrome. Is > there somewhere on the site that gives basic instructions as to what > combinations of chemicals, their volumes needed, current requirements, anode > and cathode bars needed, etc., to have a small plating system say in > buckets or something similar. This info may be on your site and I just did > not see it. > > I worked for 35 years at a manufacturing plant and the plating guy and I > were good friends as well as I worked on his plating tanks a lot and I know > that on nickel plating the part went though a reverse current cleaning tank > that I think had phosphoric acid in it, then through a rinse thank and then > through a nickel bath tank that had electrodes on it. These were large 400 > gallons bath. I think I remember about five or six tanks in the process. > > I just want a little small system for plating a few small parts for the > beginning. > > Thanks for all of the help. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:56 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. > > > >> Paul >> >> I approved you right after you signed up >> Clint >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sun Sep 30 12:12:18 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:12:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] fuller and johnson Message-ID: <000901c80395$df7757d0$9b94e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knew where it would be possible to locate a mag bracket for a 1925 f & j type NB,it is for a wico ek mag with a plug hole to suit a 7/8" plug. thanks, Craig in Scotland From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 30 12:15:31 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:15:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net><00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46FF2C7B.5040905@wildblue.net><001001c80368$d490f150$240110ac@FAMILY> <46FFC494.2070300@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <004c01c80396$45a1f9c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Clint I will go and check this out.I appreciate it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. > Paul > > In the links section is the Oldies1955 site which was created by the > group owner, it goes thru all the basics of getting started on a small > hobby status. > here is a link > > > Hope this helps > Clint > > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Sep 30 15:16:17 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 06:16:17 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. References: <437279.34194.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FF14B7.40906@wildblue.net><00ed01c80316$59f6ced0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46FF2C7B.5040905@wildblue.net><001001c80368$d490f150$240110ac@FAMILY> <46FFC494.2070300@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <002701c803af$89aaee60$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Clint ,exactly what I was looking for .Thanks also to all others who responded. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. > Paul > > In the links section is the Oldies1955 site which was created by the > group owner, it goes thru all the basics of getting started on a small > hobby status. > here is a link > > > Hope this helps > Clint > > > Paul Maples wrote: >> I saw that Clint and regretted sending the notice out.Some of the groups >> have instant approval and some I have subscribed to have actually taken a >> couple of days to get approved. I assume this is because the moderator >> does >> not monitor the site all of the time. >> >> Clint I surfed through some of the links and pictures but did not find >> any >> instructions for building a simple basic system for nickel or chrome. Is >> there somewhere on the site that gives basic instructions as to what >> combinations of chemicals, their volumes needed, current requirements, >> anode >> and cathode bars needed, etc., to have a small plating system say in >> buckets or something similar. This info may be on your site and I just >> did >> not see it. >> >> I worked for 35 years at a manufacturing plant and the plating guy and I >> were good friends as well as I worked on his plating tanks a lot and I >> know >> that on nickel plating the part went though a reverse current cleaning >> tank >> that I think had phosphoric acid in it, then through a rinse thank and >> then >> through a nickel bath tank that had electrodes on it. These were large >> 400 >> gallons bath. I think I remember about five or six tanks in the process. >> >> I just want a little small system for plating a few small parts for the >> beginning. >> >> Thanks for all of the help. >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Clint D" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Nickel Plating .....small items at home. >> >> >> >>> Paul >>> >>> I approved you right after you signed up >>> Clint >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dleis at centurytel.net Sun Sep 30 18:01:30 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:01:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine References: <092920071101.19366.46FE309A0009A91100004BA6219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000d01c803c6$9b457ed0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi Curt & everyone the serial number is TA 263063 thank you for the help. It sure feels good to be able to play with engines again i have had a rough year with my health so far, but i hope thinks are on the up swing now. Stacy :-) From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 30 18:23:05 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:23:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine In-Reply-To: <000d01c803c6$9b457ed0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <092920071101.19366.46FE309A0009A91100004BA6219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <000d01c803c6$9b457ed0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <4CD3F48E-C908-4B31-95E0-E195AC69B759@alltel.net> 1938. Dave On Sep 30, 2007, at 9:01 PM, Stacy Leis wrote: > > Hi Curt & everyone > > the serial number is TA 263063 thank you for the help. It > sure > feels good to be able to play with engines again i have had a rough > year > with my health so far, but i hope thinks are on the up swing now. > > > Stacy :-) From dleis at centurytel.net Sun Sep 30 18:28:23 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:28:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine References: <092920071101.19366.46FE309A0009A91100004BA6219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><000d01c803c6$9b457ed0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <4CD3F48E-C908-4B31-95E0-E195AC69B759@alltel.net> Message-ID: <000601c803ca$5c71fb30$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Thank you Dave Stacy :-) From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 30 18:48:41 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] help identifying engine In-Reply-To: <000d01c803c6$9b457ed0$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <560496.2235.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> According to this site that would of been made sometime around the middle of 1938. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/technical/Stover.htm Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Stacy Leis wrote: Hi Curt & everyone the serial number is TA 263063 thank you for the help. It sure feels good to be able to play with engines again i have had a rough year with my health so far, but i hope thinks are on the up swing now. Stacy :-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sun Sep 30 23:41:22 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:41:22 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck In-Reply-To: <093020071041.13262.46FF7D5300008403000033CE219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: The old mechanics had two methods i know of one was heating the stud and then putting paraffin around the base of the stud on cooling it draws the paraffin in or the other method was to heat the stud and then cool it rapidly with a cloth dipped in water and then unscrew this used to work quite often use some vice grips or could file the stud square to get better traction with a cresent other wise if it has broken off at the head itself then put a washer down and then a close fitting nut on top and then fill around the nut with weld and undo i use this method as pretty much always works i put the washer down so i dont weld the nut to the base metal just as a precaution. brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:41 PM To: Old eng list; SEL Lists Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Hi All, I have a flat head six cyl engine with a head bolt broken off. Its been advised to use a product called MO-44 Rust Buster (Supco Products) along with heat to remove the broken stud. Was wonderinging if any one has used this product with any success? thank you in advance, Curt Andree _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1037 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 1:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1037 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 1:32 PM