From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Oct 1 04:09:29 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:09:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Message-ID: <100120071109.10531.4700D5690004685300002923219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Yes Brent I am leaning toward trying the heat and wrench idea and then welding a washer and nut if the later doesn't work first. But the MO-44 rust buster is recommended to be used in conjuntion with the heating process and was wondering if any one has tried it before I buy some. thanks, Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: tamatea whanau To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 05:52:35 +0000 > The old mechanics had two methods i know of one was heating the stud and > then putting paraffin around the base of the stud on cooling it draws the > paraffin in or the other method was to heat the stud and then cool it > rapidly with a cloth dipped in water and then unscrew this used to work > quite often use some vice grips or could file the stud square to get better > traction with a cresent other wise if it has broken off at the head itself > then put a washer down and then a close fitting nut on top and then fill > around the nut with weld and undo i use this method as pretty much always > works i put the washer down so i dont weld the nut to the base metal just as > a precaution. brent nz > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:41 PM > To: Old eng list; SEL Lists > Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck > > > Hi All, > I have a flat head six cyl engine with a head bolt broken off. Its been > advised to use a product called MO-44 Rust Buster (Supco Products) along > with > heat to remove the broken stud. Was wonderinging if any one has used this > product with any success? > thank you in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1037 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 > 1:32 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1037 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 > 1:32 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Oct 1 04:19:53 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:19:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Message-ID: <100120071119.15445.4700D7D9000B8CB000003C55219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Francis there is approx 1/4" of the stud bolt sticking up out of the block so I may just go the welding, heat method but as mentioned wanted to try MO-44 rust buster. thank you, Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: FRM8198 at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:04:35 +0000 > > In a message dated 9/30/2007 7:43:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: > > Curt how much of the stud is still sticking above the casting. > > > Is the head removed? If so, place a nut (with a diameter slightly smaller > than the diameter of the broken stud) over the broken stud and carefully arc > weld the nut to the stud. Let cool and it should unscrew with a wrench. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, Ca 93454 > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 1 05:45:46 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:45:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck References: <093020071041.13262.46FF7D5300008403000033CE219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <004101c80428$fd4e7700$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Its not any particular brand name that will save the day , it'll be technique . From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 1 06:15:08 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:15:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck References: <100120071109.10531.4700D5690004685300002923219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8042d$17756c70$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> my favorite is the nut , arc welded on maybe a pair of 410 channellocks . And then theresalwyas the cole drill , or "old man" . From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 1 09:00:11 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:00:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck References: Message-ID: <000201c8047e$3bcde9c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> or could file the stud square to get better > traction with a cresent >>> These are the ones . You can set them on a bar http://www.toolweb.com/pics/CHA410.jpg and then stand on one grip and it will bite and not slip like a pipe wrnech that works . as an experiment I put a nut on 4" X 1/2 bolt ....ran it in till it hit the shank stuck it in the the vice , stood on the workbench and bounced it against the threaded end with one foot till I twisted it off From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 1 16:29:04 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:29:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck In-Reply-To: <000201c8047e$3bcde9c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <000201c8047e$3bcde9c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <55DE2B7F-9375-4715-89F4-4C58EC56AA89@alltel.net> > as an experiment I put a nut on 4" X 1/2 bolt ....ran it in till it > hit the > shank > stuck it in the the vice , stood on the workbench and bounced it > against > the threaded end with one foot till I twisted it off Sumbitch Chuck, Were they able to reattach your foot? Was it your right or left foot? Hope you are OK! Dave From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Oct 2 03:02:37 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:02:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out Message-ID: <100220071002.5698.4702173D0001566600001642219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck head bolt I went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken stud...........well it did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in theory I did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was left of the broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out right to the remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the remainder out and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that after 55 years of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent jacket it had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the threaded bolt there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess heat from the welding process. Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new gaskets, both head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. Curt From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Oct 2 03:25:01 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:25:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out References: <100220071002.5698.4702173D0001566600001642219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003301c804e0$2f9ddf40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> At least, we ALL shared your troubles!!! Its good when ya have mates looking over your shoulder as the shit hits the fan!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Old eng list" ; "SEL Lists" Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out > After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck head bolt > I > went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken stud...........well > it > did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in theory > I > did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was left of > the > broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and > drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out right to > the > remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the remainder > out > and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that after 55 > years > of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent jacket > it > had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the threaded > bolt > there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess heat > from > the welding process. > Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new gaskets, > both > head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. > A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. > Curt > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 2 04:35:07 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 05:35:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt Message-ID: G'day all; Friend Corky and I are at our wits end trying to find a very obnoxious knock(s) on both dead centers of our vertical Wachs engine. This list has such great experience with main bearing babbitt, I wanted to ask here. Here's the engine and as you all probably know a "Single Simple" fires?? on both sides of the piston; http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2308067910039077051Ronfyj Dial indicator on end of cs shows .003 slop. This may indicate a bend crank or just out of round..I would think this would be tolerable. M/B babbitt looks new and shows no sign of ever being scrapped...one can still see some ripples. There is some side to side/axial slop in both main bearings. Yes, this would have showed up on the dial indicator had we loaded one side. Now the big question as the crank is going to the crank doc and he can flux weld and machine to any diameter. Do I have him flux weld and machine to a diameter so there is no side to side/axial slop and if so, how do I determine what diameter to use? Also, the rod inserts show wear on one side towards the solid flywheel. How do I assure this crank is level? This has been mentioned before..eh, Curt.. somewhile back. I really don't want to pour new babbitt. Thanks much...after this endeavor, I'll be headed back to the 4.5hp New Way in which I'm always looking for a mixer. Best Regards, RickinMt. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Oct 2 12:41:25 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:41:25 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out In-Reply-To: <003301c804e0$2f9ddf40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Curt pleased that the stud was removed safely without damage to the engine well done brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:25 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Head bolt is out At least, we ALL shared your troubles!!! Its good when ya have mates looking over your shoulder as the shit hits the fan!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Old eng list" ; "SEL Lists" Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out > After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck head bolt > I > went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken stud...........well > it > did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in theory > I > did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was left of > the > broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and > drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out right to > the > remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the remainder > out > and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that after 55 > years > of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent jacket > it > had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the threaded > bolt > there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess heat > from > the welding process. > Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new gaskets, > both > head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. > A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. > Curt > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.36/1041 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 10:20 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.36/1041 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 10:20 AM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 13:22:10 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out In-Reply-To: <100220071002.5698.4702173D0001566600001642219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <881054.72546.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Congrats, Curt. I know just how you feel. Ain't it nice when you get that first hole is really centered then the next bit can clean the hole right to the threads??? I think I used four bits to drill out the two very rusted machine screws from a $5.00 sad iron a week ago. The top plate was loose because the head had rusted off one of the flat head screws and the other screw was about half gone. They were rusted so bad my only option was to drill. I swung the top plate aside then ground the one down flat. I drilled the other one right through the head. Both came out the same. I drilled practically right to the threads without touching them. Then I used a tap and all it did was clean out the threads. When I was done I couldn't see any bright metal where I had cut threads. I was surprised it came out like that. I did have to order a box of 1/4-20 X 3/4" slotted flathead screws. They had Phillips head or brass slotted head. I also had another one that needed screws. It had one Phillips head and one wrong size screw that was just sitting in the hole. 1/4" - 20 X 3/4" Slotted, Flathead Machine Screws for sale. $0.10 each plus postage. 8>))) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck head bolt I went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken stud...........well it did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in theory I did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was left of the broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out right to the remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the remainder out and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that after 55 years of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent jacket it had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the threaded bolt there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess heat from the welding process. Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new gaskets, both head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. Curt --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. From jbcast at charter.net Tue Oct 2 15:39:24 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:39:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out In-Reply-To: <881054.72546.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071002183924.8B09F.39347.root@fepweb01> Curt, when I saw all the replys suggesting welding a nut to the stud I stayed out of it. I've tried that method several times with no luck. Maybe the bolts I tried were just too tight, but I had to end up drilling them out. Heat works well on exhaust manifolds where you can raise the temp enough, in a block you can't apply enough heat to help. If a bolt ends up drilled a little off center I use a little half round chisel and peel the remainder out. Penetrating oil doesn't help until you get the bolt moving. I've let stuck engines soak for over a year, pressed the piston out and had powdered rust on it. Bee's wax seams to help when heating, I think it remains at a higher temp then penetrating oils. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Oct 2 16:13:58 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:13:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt References: Message-ID: <005f01c80549$ed6dd9d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Rick ,I can only relate an experience we had with a steamer on it's first run .A nasty knock ,it turned out to be the piston knocking on the cylinder head .A new thicker gasket solved it .Of course this doesn't explain yours knocking at both TDC's.Ours only did it on one.Still as they say ''It's all grist to the mill''. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > > G'day all; > Friend Corky and I are at our wits end trying to find a very obnoxious > knock(s) on both dead centers of our vertical Wachs engine. This list has > such great experience with main bearing babbitt, I wanted to ask here. > > Here's the engine and as you all probably know a "Single Simple" fires?? > on both sides of the piston; > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2308067910039077051Ronfyj > > Dial indicator on end of cs shows .003 slop. This may indicate a bend > crank or just out of round..I would think this would be tolerable. > > M/B babbitt looks new and shows no sign of ever being scrapped...one can > still see some ripples. There is some side to side/axial slop in both > main bearings. Yes, this would have showed up on the dial indicator had > we loaded one side. > > Now the big question as the crank is going to the crank doc and he can > flux weld and machine to any diameter. > > Do I have him flux weld and machine to a diameter so there is no side to > side/axial slop and if so, how do I determine what diameter to use? > > Also, the rod inserts show wear on one side towards the solid flywheel. > How do I assure this crank is level? This has been mentioned before..eh, > Curt.. somewhile back. > > I really don't want to pour new babbitt. > > > Thanks much...after this endeavor, I'll be headed back to the 4.5hp New > Way in which I'm always looking for a mixer. > > Best Regards, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 17:09:23 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? Message-ID: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, Isn't some babbitt partly lead? I just put up some pictures of a heavy chunk of lead or babbitt. I would like to know which it is. Is the a chemical or weight test I can do? A scratch or burn test???? Please take a look here. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32593365&f= Thanks a bunch, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Oct 2 17:22:25 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:22:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Typically lead gives a dull sound when struck, and babbitt rings. John On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Isn't some babbitt partly lead? > > I just put up some pictures of a heavy chunk of lead or babbitt. > I would like to know which it is. > Is the a chemical or weight test I can do? > A scratch or burn test???? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 2 17:31:37 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:31:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4702E2E9.6090601@scrtc.com> Alan, Lead is much softer than babbitt. Babbitt is an alloy potentially containing nickel, tin, copper, etc. You can take a pocket knife and easily "shave" the edge of a chunk of lead. With babbitt, its not so easy. I'm sure there is some type of density test that could be done to determine the make up of your material. Melting point is possibly another way to tell as pure lead would be considerably lower than babbitt (I would think). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alan Bowen wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Isn't some babbitt partly lead? > >I just put up some pictures of a heavy chunk of lead or babbitt. >I would like to know which it is. >Is the a chemical or weight test I can do? >A scratch or burn test???? > >Please take a look here. >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32593365&f= > >Thanks a bunch, > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > >--------------------------------- >Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 17:55:42 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <4702E2E9.6090601@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <185103.45394.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you very much, John and Tommy. I used my little Kabar 1226 to tap it and then went out to my engine shed and tapped a bar of babbitt. I also tapped some known lead. This is lead. Cool ringing sound on babbitt, John. Then I used the same Kaber 1226 to carve a bit. Again,,,, This is lead. The way that R is stamped on it I was hoping for a different result, but oh well,,, 8>)) Thanks again guys !!!! This list IS great. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Alan, Lead is much softer than babbitt. Babbitt is an alloy potentially containing nickel, tin, copper, etc. You can take a pocket knife and easily "shave" the edge of a chunk of lead. With babbitt, its not so easy. I'm sure there is some type of density test that could be done to determine the make up of your material. Melting point is possibly another way to tell as pure lead would be considerably lower than babbitt (I would think). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alan Bowen wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Isn't some babbitt partly lead? > >I just put up some pictures of a heavy chunk of lead or babbitt. >I would like to know which it is. >Is the a chemical or weight test I can do? >A scratch or burn test???? > >Please take a look here. >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32593365&f= > >Thanks a bunch, > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > >--------------------------------- >Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. From enginepaul at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 18:09:58 2007 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:09:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <4702E2E9.6090601@scrtc.com> References: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4702E2E9.6090601@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0710021809r56714809s3a9185097e04c23f@mail.gmail.com> This may add to the confusion, or help in some cases. Type metal, as in printer's type is another lead alloy out there. Metal used for Foundry type is the hardest, monotype metal is next then there is linotype metal and spacing metal. All are mostly lead and melt somewhere between 250 to about 320 degrees depending on exact composition. Foundry type metal has tin for hardness and antimony to counteract shrinkage. This used to be expensive, but with computers came obsolescence. I gave several hundred pounds to a fisherman that used it for sinkers and I suppose much of it is now gone or in scrap ingots out there. Paul Typesetter - learned in 1960. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 18:25:21 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0710021809r56714809s3a9185097e04c23f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <757781.24931.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, I was given a weird looking tablesaw a few years ago. It actually was a lead saw that served for many years at a small town newspaper. It came with a lot of different spacers and several blades. I donated it to the Buckley Old Engine Show. http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/ I figured that was better than ripping it apart because it had some parts that I saw another use for. I still wonder why this chunk of "lead' has the R stamped into it,,,,,,, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan "P. Johns" wrote: This may add to the confusion, or help in some cases. Type metal, as in printer's type is another lead alloy out there. Metal used for Foundry type is the hardest, monotype metal is next then there is linotype metal and spacing metal. All are mostly lead and melt somewhere between 250 to about 320 degrees depending on exact composition. Foundry type metal has tin for hardness and antimony to counteract shrinkage. This used to be expensive, but with computers came obsolescence. I gave several hundred pounds to a fisherman that used it for sinkers and I suppose much of it is now gone or in scrap ingots out there. Paul Typesetter - learned in 1960. --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 2 18:35:50 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:35:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <757781.24931.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <757781.24931.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4702F1F6.3090201@scrtc.com> Alan, Possibly for "Recycled" to show it was used material? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > >I still wonder why this chunk of "lead' has the R stamped into it,,,,,,, > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > >"P. Johns" wrote: This may add to the confusion, or help in some cases. >Type metal, as in printer's type is another lead alloy out there. Metal used for Foundry type is the hardest, monotype metal is next then there is linotype metal and spacing metal. All are mostly lead and melt somewhere between 250 to about 320 degrees depending on exact composition. > >Foundry type metal has tin for hardness and antimony to counteract >shrinkage. This used to be expensive, but with computers came obsolescence. >I gave several hundred pounds to a fisherman that used it for sinkers and I suppose much of it is now gone or in scrap ingots out there. > >Paul >Typesetter - learned in 1960. > > >--------------------------------- >Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! >Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From ddotto at cableone.net Tue Oct 2 18:49:34 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:49:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c8055f$a670ee30$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Hi Rick How is the fit on the pin where the rod connects to the cross head? And play there could cause a knock that may be amplified through the rest of the parts. Any more than a thou or so and you may be hearing it. If the mains are in good shape I would think that a little scraping would bring them in to a good running fit. I would look at the cross head for the source of the knock. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:35 AM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > > > G'day all; > Friend Corky and I are at our wits end trying to find a very obnoxious > knock(s) on both dead centers of our vertical Wachs engine. This list has > such great experience with main bearing babbitt, I wanted to ask here. > > Here's the engine and as you all probably know a "Single Simple" fires?? > on both sides of the piston; > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2308067910039077051Ronfyj > > Dial indicator on end of cs shows .003 slop. This may indicate a bend > crank or just out of round..I would think this would be tolerable. > > M/B babbitt looks new and shows no sign of ever being scrapped...one can > still see some ripples. There is some side to side/axial slop in both > main > bearings. Yes, this would have showed up on the dial indicator had we > loaded one side. > > Now the big question as the crank is going to the crank doc and he can > flux weld and machine to any diameter. > > Do I have him flux weld and machine to a diameter so there is no side to > side/axial slop and if so, how do I determine what diameter to use? > > Also, the rod inserts show wear on one side towards the solid flywheel. > How do I assure this crank is level? This has been mentioned before..eh, > Curt.. somewhile back. > > I really don't want to pour new babbitt. > > > Thanks much...after this endeavor, I'll be headed back to the 4.5hp New > Way in which I'm always looking for a mixer. > > Best Regards, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ NOD32 2567 (20071002) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Oct 2 18:51:51 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:51:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2761e48127dc9eebe97c7a20b5b2e972@chartertn.net> That "ring test" doesn't work, BTW, if the lead's been heat treated by water quenching just below the melting point. I'm a bullet caster and do a lot of that. Lead alloys containing antimony, arsenic, or a bunch of other metals that will go into solid solution in the lead at elevated temperature will harden WAY up that way. The alloying elemnt(s) won't stay in solid solution at room temperature and crystallize out in a much finer grained structure than with slow cooling, pinning the atomic planes of lead together in many places so they can't slip by one another easily. Plain lead-antimony wheelweights will make harder bullets than those cast of air-cooled linotype if properly quenched and aged for a couple of weeks to reach maximum hardness. Quenched bullets also jingle like little bells instead of giving a dull rattle when shaken together. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 2 19:54:44 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:54:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83F38FAC-0EDF-448F-9C11-B364AA827486@alltel.net> Hi Alan, Babbitt starts with the letter "B." Lead starts with the letter "L!" Dave On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Thanks a bunch, > Alan Bowen From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 2 20:32:44 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:32:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? References: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <83F38FAC-0EDF-448F-9C11-B364AA827486@alltel.net> Message-ID: <005201c8056e$100d55f0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> I am not sure Books, study, eat always works Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? > Hi Alan, Babbitt starts with the letter "B." Lead starts with the > letter "L!" > Dave > > On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: >> Thanks a bunch, >> Alan Bowen > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Oct 2 21:27:56 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out In-Reply-To: <100220071002.5698.4702173D0001566600001642219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <100220071002.5698.4702173D0001566600001642219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <22984AFD-F52E-476A-80BD-3046331643A7@rustyiron.com> On Oct 2, 2007, at 3:02 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck > head bolt I > went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken > stud...........well it > did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in > theory I > did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was > left of the > broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and > drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out > right to the > remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the > remainder out > and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that > after 55 years > of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent > jacket it > had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the > threaded bolt > there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess > heat from > the welding process. > Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new > gaskets, both > head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. > A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. > Curt Hi Curt, Another weapon in your arsenal should be left hand drill bits. Buy a selection now so they'll be on hand the next time you're drilling out a screw. Rob From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 2 22:20:58 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (ozengine at optusnet.com.au) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:20:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? Message-ID: <200710030520.l935Kwns030494@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Oct 3 03:42:25 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:42:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out Message-ID: <100320071042.9285.47037211000D315A00002445219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Yes Rob I do have a set of left handed bits but the car engine was at a friends shop and when I went to look for them the other day couldn't locate them (need to really inventory and clean my shop this winter) in time to help with the drilling process........ Thanks for the info. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Rob Skinner To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: Old eng list Subject: Re: [SEL] Head bolt is out Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 04:30:17 +0000 > > On Oct 2, 2007, at 3:02 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck > > head bolt I > > went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken > > stud...........well it > > did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in > > theory I > > did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was > > left of the > > broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and > > drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out > > right to the > > remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the > > remainder out > > and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that > > after 55 years > > of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent > > jacket it > > had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the > > threaded bolt > > there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess > > heat from > > the welding process. > > Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new > > gaskets, both > > head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. > > A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. > > Curt > > > Hi Curt, > Another weapon in your arsenal should be left hand drill bits. Buy a > selection now so they'll be on hand the next time you're drilling out > a screw. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 3 05:24:19 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 05:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <83F38FAC-0EDF-448F-9C11-B364AA827486@alltel.net> Message-ID: <965182.19253.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very good Dave, I am kind of amazed you finally figured that out. Now go back for another lesson. 8>))) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan David Rotigel wrote: Hi Alan, Babbitt starts with the letter "B." Lead starts with the letter "L!" Dave On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Thanks a bunch, > Alan Bowen --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. From driggars at wildblue.net Wed Oct 3 09:41:26 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:41:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out In-Reply-To: <100320071042.9285.47037211000D315A00002445219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <100320071042.9285.47037211000D315A00002445219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4703C636.5070107@wildblue.net> Now, that sounds like my shop, what ever I need at any given time, I can't find it! No matter what it is when it comes to special tools! Clint cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Yes Rob I do have a set of left handed bits but the car engine was at a > friends shop and when I went to look for them the other day couldn't locate > them (need to really inventory and clean my shop this winter) in time to help > with the drilling process........ Thanks for the info. > Curt > > > ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- > From: Rob Skinner > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Old eng list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Head bolt is out > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 04:30:17 +0000 > > >> On Oct 2, 2007, at 3:02 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: >> >> >>> After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck >>> head bolt I >>> went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken >>> stud...........well it >>> did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in >>> theory I >>> did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was >>> left of the >>> broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and >>> drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out >>> right to the >>> remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the >>> remainder out >>> and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that >>> after 55 years >>> of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent >>> jacket it >>> had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the >>> threaded bolt >>> there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess >>> heat from >>> the welding process. >>> Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new >>> gaskets, both >>> head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. >>> A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. >>> Curt >>> >> Hi Curt, >> Another weapon in your arsenal should be left hand drill bits. Buy a >> selection now so they'll be on hand the next time you're drilling out >> a screw. >> >> Rob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 4 18:37:10 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:37:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? Message-ID: <47059546.9040504@scrtc.com> Anybody on the list live near I-35 around Waco, TX? I have to make a trip down I-35 next week and am possibly looking for a spot to drop off a 3 HP John Deere for someone to pick up in the near future. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Oct 4 18:49:12 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:49:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? In-Reply-To: <47059546.9040504@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000b01c806f1$eee32e10$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> I'm bout 2 miles outa Waco Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? Anybody on the list live near I-35 around Waco, TX? I have to make a trip down I-35 next week and am possibly looking for a spot to drop off a 3 HP John Deere for someone to pick up in the near future. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 8:59 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 8:59 AM From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 4 20:08:11 2007 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <855126.89952.qm@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Rick, Is the knock when you are running the engine, or turning it over by hand. Are you running it on air or steam? An engine needs to be timed so that it goes into compression on each end of the stroke, to cushion it as everything comes to a stop and reverses direction. An engine timed wrong will really, really knock. Another thing that can cause a knock is if the engine is running without load and the governor has the steam throttled back so far that the pressure in the steam chest is so low that when the engine goes into compression, it lifts the slide valve off the seat, then as the piston goes back down the cylinder, the valve slams back against its seat. The bearings, as you describe them, don't sound all that bad. Are you sure the knock isn't somewhere else? Steam engines are usually a lot more forgiving than a gas engine, things have to be really worn to be a problem. Do you have a book with the details of setting a slide valve? A slide valve is a lot harder to set than a poppet or corliss valve since you can't get everything perfect, just a series of compromises. Ha, sounds like being married. Good Luck, Joe --- Richard Strobel wrote: > > G'day all; > Friend Corky and I are at our wits end trying to find a very > obnoxious > knock(s) on both dead centers of our vertical Wachs engine. This list > has > such great experience with main bearing babbitt, I wanted to ask here. > > Here's the engine and as you all probably know a "Single Simple" > fires?? > on both sides of the piston; > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2308067910039077051Ronfyj > > Dial indicator on end of cs shows .003 slop. This may indicate a bend > > crank or just out of round..I would think this would be tolerable. > > M/B babbitt looks new and shows no sign of ever being scrapped...one > can > still see some ripples. There is some side to side/axial slop in both > main > bearings. Yes, this would have showed up on the dial indicator had we > loaded one side. > > Now the big question as the crank is going to the crank doc and he can > > flux weld and machine to any diameter. > > Do I have him flux weld and machine to a diameter so there is no side > to > side/axial slop and if so, how do I determine what diameter to use? > > Also, the rod inserts show wear on one side towards the solid > flywheel. > How do I assure this crank is level? This has been mentioned > before..eh, > Curt.. somewhile back. > > I really don't want to pour new babbitt. > > > Thanks much...after this endeavor, I'll be headed back to the 4.5hp > New > Way in which I'm always looking for a mixer. > > Best Regards, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 4 20:25:41 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:25:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? In-Reply-To: <000b01c806f1$eee32e10$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <000b01c806f1$eee32e10$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <4705AEB5.3060106@scrtc.com> Lew, Here's what I have going on and perhaps if there are other folks out there that live along I-40 in TX and we couldn't work something out, they could help. I have an engine here that I traded to Frank Miguel of California. Frank traded for it to give to his son, Paul Miguel, who lives in Hereford, TX. His son has a friend who lives near Waco (about 40 miles I think) who could possibly take the engine to Paul in the future. I may need a place to drop the engine off until Paul's friend can pick it up. The engine isn't big, its a 3 HP JD. Would you have a corner somewhere in a shed, barn, etc. that the engine could sit until the friend can get it? I'm trying to see if Paul's friend and me can hook up somewhere but we might not be able to work it out. I think I'll be through Waco around 6:00 pm but this could change a bit due to traffic, etc. I might make real good time or could be slowed by an accident, construction, etc. Thanks for contacting me and please let me know if you think there are any possibilities on this. Tommy Turner Lew Best wrote: >I'm bout 2 miles outa Waco > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge >Tommy Turner >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:37 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? > >Anybody on the list live near I-35 around Waco, TX? I have to make a >trip down I-35 next week and am possibly looking for a spot to drop off >a 3 HP John Deere for someone to pick up in the near future. Thanks. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: >10/4/2007 8:59 AM > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: >10/4/2007 8:59 AM > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Oct 4 20:40:42 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:40:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? In-Reply-To: <4705AEB5.3060106@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002d01c80701$82f51280$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Just sent you a reply on the back channel. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:26 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? Lew, Here's what I have going on and perhaps if there are other folks out there that live along I-40 in TX and we couldn't work something out, they could help. I have an engine here that I traded to Frank Miguel of California. Frank traded for it to give to his son, Paul Miguel, who lives in Hereford, TX. His son has a friend who lives near Waco (about 40 miles I think) who could possibly take the engine to Paul in the future. I may need a place to drop the engine off until Paul's friend can pick it up. The engine isn't big, its a 3 HP JD. Would you have a corner somewhere in a shed, barn, etc. that the engine could sit until the friend can get it? I'm trying to see if Paul's friend and me can hook up somewhere but we might not be able to work it out. I think I'll be through Waco around 6:00 pm but this could change a bit due to traffic, etc. I might make real good time or could be slowed by an accident, construction, etc. Thanks for contacting me and please let me know if you think there are any possibilities on this. Tommy Turner Lew Best wrote: >I'm bout 2 miles outa Waco > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge >Tommy Turner >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:37 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? > >Anybody on the list live near I-35 around Waco, TX? I have to make a >trip down I-35 next week and am possibly looking for a spot to drop off >a 3 HP John Deere for someone to pick up in the near future. Thanks. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: >10/4/2007 8:59 AM > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: >10/4/2007 8:59 AM > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 8:59 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 8:59 AM From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Oct 4 22:10:32 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:10:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Some photos from Iraq Message-ID: <00f001c8070e$0e0a6d00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> If you recall a couple of year ago my son was in Iraq in the Army. He has just passed on some photos of a couple of big Rustons. These were taken on his second stint over there. (Why we spent time in Darwin this year utilising a vacant flat), I haven't put captions on them but enjoy anyway. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/535946814iWIWbl Ron Canberra From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Oct 4 22:41:53 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:41:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Some photos from Iraq In-Reply-To: <00f001c8070e$0e0a6d00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <20071005054145.ELTA8739.oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Interesting photos Ron. It looks like those Rustons are worked hard. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _____ From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Ron Page Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 3:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: Some photos from Iraq If you recall a couple of year ago my son was in Iraq in the Army. He has just passed on some photos of a couple of big Rustons. These were taken on his second stint over there. (Why we spent time in Darwin this year utilising a vacant flat), I haven't put captions on them but enjoy anyway. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/535946814iWIWbl Ron Canberra From bethell at internode.on.net Fri Oct 5 02:07:49 2007 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:07:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Some photos from Iraq References: <00f001c8070e$0e0a6d00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <002501c8072f$34a36540$0201010a@JIM> Our Club has a twin cylinder of this class in our engine shed at Wentworth NSW. I notice the governor weights are missing off the running engine and also the air intake valve and dome, I wonder how they keep them running like that??? regards Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: ; Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Some photos from Iraq > If you recall a couple of year ago my son was in Iraq in the Army. He has > just passed on some photos of a couple of big Rustons. These were taken on > his second stint over there. (Why we spent time in Darwin this year > utilising a vacant flat), I haven't put captions on them but enjoy > anyway. > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/535946814iWIWbl > > Ron > > Canberra > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 5 04:40:27 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:40:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt References: <855126.89952.qm@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe, we've ran it on air and steam. With steam the knocks are very obnoxious. To be honest, I don't recall it on air. Here's the deal on our timing. Please keep in mind the eccentric is keyed to the crankshaft and eccentric has two keyways with setscrew. I assume the two positions are for forward and reverse. There is no reverser lever on this engine. So we centered the piston in it's throw and adjusted the slide "D" valve linkage so that the throw was equal on both centers. This automatically set the lead/lag/cushion which in turn opens the ports when the crankshaft is past it's centers. This is not right but we don't know how to change it...other than elimate the key on the eccentric and just use the setscrew so we get a "lead." We don't have a good book now on timing a stationary. One is on order and the other we'll get at Rollag steam school next year. I find the governor feature you mentioned very interesting. We have not loaded the engine yet nor "put it on the gov." so to speak. Gotta be something simple...hell, I might be turning the engine the wrong direction. Very soon the setup will be going into the shed as winter is arriving way too soon...and then back to the drawing board...."steam 101 fer dummies." Thanks much Joe...ya got me thinkin' which is a scary thought in itself. Many thanks also to Ken, Curt, Dave, and Peter. I have re-read all your posts..hopefully it will sink in. Sorry to garbage up the SEL, the steam list is pretty dead nowdays. RickinMt. Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > Hi Rick, > Is the knock when you are running the engine, or turning it over by hand. > Are you running it on air or steam? An engine needs to be timed so that it > goes into compression on each end of the stroke, to cushion it as > everything comes to a stop and reverses direction. An engine timed wrong > will really, really knock. > Another thing that can cause a knock is if the engine is running without > load and the governor has the steam throttled back so far that the > pressure in the steam chest is so low that when the engine goes into > compression, it lifts the slide valve off the seat, then as the piston > goes back down the cylinder, the valve slams back against its seat. > The bearings, as you describe them, don't sound all that bad. Are you sure > the knock isn't somewhere else? Steam engines are usually a lot more > forgiving than a gas engine, things have to be really worn to be a > problem. > Do you have a book with the details of setting a slide valve? A slide > valve is a lot harder to set than a poppet or corliss valve since you > can't get everything perfect, just a series of compromises. Ha, sounds > like being married. > Good Luck, > Joe From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Oct 5 06:28:52 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:28:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/4/2007 11:27:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: I might make real good time Tommy, Being a Judge, you should set a good example for the rest of us and keep within the speed limits! Have a great trip! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Fri Oct 5 07:34:08 2007 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:34:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt References: <855126.89952.qm@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c8075c$cb460b10$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Hi Rick; Joe raises a good point. Does the knock lessen or go away during acceleration? Have you tried loading the engine? The little Leffel center crank we have will do the valve slapping thing if we close the throttle too fast, and even the big Corliss gets noisy if the throttle is closed too fast and the engine is pushing enough to lift the valves a little. Water stuck in the cylinder also causes knocking, but from what you've said so far, I doubt that's the problem. As for the SEL, that's what it's there for! You even got a few of us lurkers to let go the throttle and type a little! Happy Steaming! Best Regards; Jim M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > Hi Rick, > Is the knock when you are running the engine, or turning it over by hand. > Are you running it on air or steam? An engine needs to be timed so that it > goes into compression on each end of the stroke, to cushion it as > everything comes to a stop and reverses direction. An engine timed wrong > will really, really knock. > Another thing that can cause a knock is if the engine is running without > load and the governor has the steam throttled back so far that the > pressure in the steam chest is so low that when the engine goes into > compression, it lifts the slide valve off the seat, then as the piston > goes back down the cylinder, the valve slams back against its seat. > The bearings, as you describe them, don't sound all that bad. Are you sure > the knock isn't somewhere else? Steam engines are usually a lot more > forgiving than a gas engine, things have to be really worn to be a > problem. > Do you have a book with the details of setting a slide valve? A slide > valve is a lot harder to set than a poppet or corliss valve since you > can't get everything perfect, just a series of compromises. Ha, sounds > like being married. > Good Luck, > Joe > > > > --- Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > > G'day all; > > Friend Corky and I are at our wits end trying to find a very > > obnoxious > > knock(s) on both dead centers of our vertical Wachs engine. This list > > has > > such great experience with main bearing babbitt, I wanted to ask here. > > > > Here's the engine and as you all probably know a "Single Simple" > > fires?? > > on both sides of the piston; > > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2308067910039077051Ronfyj > > > > Dial indicator on end of cs shows .003 slop. This may indicate a bend > > > > crank or just out of round..I would think this would be tolerable. > > > > M/B babbitt looks new and shows no sign of ever being scrapped...one > > can > > still see some ripples. There is some side to side/axial slop in both > > main > > bearings. Yes, this would have showed up on the dial indicator had we > > loaded one side. > > > > Now the big question as the crank is going to the crank doc and he can > > > > flux weld and machine to any diameter. > > > > Do I have him flux weld and machine to a diameter so there is no side > > to > > side/axial slop and if so, how do I determine what diameter to use? > > > > Also, the rod inserts show wear on one side towards the solid > > flywheel. > > How do I assure this crank is level? This has been mentioned > > before..eh, > > Curt.. somewhile back. > > > > I really don't want to pour new babbitt. > > > > > > Thanks much...after this endeavor, I'll be headed back to the 4.5hp > > New > > Way in which I'm always looking for a mixer. > > > > Best Regards, > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Oct 5 07:51:50 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:51:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47064F86.7030900@scrtc.com> Tom, My speedometer never registers above the posted speed limit.... it doesn't work period! Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > >In a message dated 10/4/2007 11:27:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > >I might make real good time > >Tommy, > >Being a Judge, you should set a good example for the rest of us and keep >within the speed limits! > >Have a great trip! > > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >Germoamer at aol.com > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Oct 5 08:03:10 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:03:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200710051503.l95F3Dg2077027@mail-gw.fsr.net> Rick -- This is just a SWAG, but I'm wondering if you thoroughly warmed up the steam lines and engine. If you didn't, the engine might have excessive condensate in the cylinder and is going into hydraulic lock-up at TDC. If you've ever seen footage of steam locomotives pulling out of the station, you'll see steam blowing out of the cylinders at every stroke. Petcocks are left open to let excess condensate escape. They are closed after the cylinders are up to temperature. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:40 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt Joe, we've ran it on air and steam. With steam the knocks are very obnoxious. To be honest, I don't recall it on air. Here's the deal on our timing. Please keep in mind the eccentric is keyed to the crankshaft and eccentric has two keyways with setscrew. I assume the two positions are for forward and reverse. There is no reverser lever on this engine. So we centered the piston in it's throw and adjusted the slide "D" valve linkage so that the throw was equal on both centers. This automatically set the lead/lag/cushion which in turn opens the ports when the crankshaft is past it's centers. This is not right but we don't know how to change it...other than elimate the key on the eccentric and just use the setscrew so we get a "lead." We don't have a good book now on timing a stationary. One is on order and the other we'll get at Rollag steam school next year. I find the governor feature you mentioned very interesting. We have not loaded the engine yet nor "put it on the gov." so to speak. Gotta be something simple...hell, I might be turning the engine the wrong direction. Very soon the setup will be going into the shed as winter is arriving way too soon...and then back to the drawing board...."steam 101 fer dummies." Thanks much Joe...ya got me thinkin' which is a scary thought in itself. Many thanks also to Ken, Curt, Dave, and Peter. I have re-read all your posts..hopefully it will sink in. Sorry to garbage up the SEL, the steam list is pretty dead nowdays. RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 5 08:13:39 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:13:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt References: <200710051503.l95F3Dg2077027@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Good point Orrin,, yes we purge both plus the valve chest for quite a while before closing any of the valves. We get a lot of condensate out of the valve chest and lower cylinder drain. Course they have to heat up more iron as opposed to the top. I've seen the results of hydrostatic lockup on a cylinder...ouch!! And we keep them open during initial startup and only closed when we're assured that we have fairly dry steam...and I use that term loosely :-) Thanks much Rick > Rick -- > > This is just a SWAG, but I'm wondering if you thoroughly warmed up the > steam > lines and engine. If you didn't, the engine might have excessive > condensate > in the cylinder and is going into hydraulic lock-up at TDC. > > If you've ever seen footage of steam locomotives pulling out of the > station, > you'll see steam blowing out of the cylinders at every stroke. Petcocks > are > left open to let excess condensate escape. They are closed after the > cylinders are up to temperature. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:40 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > > Joe, we've ran it on air and steam. With steam the knocks are very > obnoxious. To be honest, I don't recall it on air. > Here's the deal on our timing. Please keep in mind the eccentric is > keyed > > to the crankshaft and eccentric has two keyways with setscrew. I assume > the > > two positions are for forward and reverse. There is no reverser lever on > this engine. > > So we centered the piston in it's throw and adjusted the slide "D" valve > linkage so that the throw was equal on both centers. This automatically > set > > the lead/lag/cushion which in turn opens the ports when the crankshaft is > past it's centers. This is not right but we don't know how to change > it...other than elimate the key on the eccentric and just use the setscrew > so we get a "lead." > > We don't have a good book now on timing a stationary. One is on order > and > > the other we'll get at Rollag steam school next year. > > I find the governor feature you mentioned very interesting. We have not > loaded the engine yet nor "put it on the gov." so to speak. > > Gotta be something simple...hell, I might be turning the engine the > wrong > direction. > > Very soon the setup will be going into the shed as winter is arriving > way > too soon...and then back to the drawing board...."steam 101 fer dummies." > > Thanks much Joe...ya got me thinkin' which is a scary thought in itself. > > Many thanks also to Ken, Curt, Dave, and Peter. I have re-read all your > posts..hopefully it will sink in. > > Sorry to garbage up the SEL, the steam list is pretty dead nowdays. > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 5 08:25:18 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:25:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam lead lag References: <855126.89952.qm@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c8075c$cb460b10$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: Ok Jim and Joe, anyone. Please click on the below link and see if the statement is correct. I've cross posted to steam list and hopefully will get this off the SEL. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2733541280039077051PEuqSi Regards, RickinMt. PS: Joe to answer your questions. The knocks seem to get weaker with speed increse and we haven't loaded the engine yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > Hi Rick; > Joe raises a good point. Does the knock lessen or go away during > acceleration? Have you tried loading the engine? The little Leffel center > crank we have will do the valve slapping thing if we close the throttle > too > fast, and even the big Corliss gets noisy if the throttle is closed too > fast > and the engine is pushing enough to lift the valves a little. Water stuck > in > the cylinder also causes knocking, but from what you've said so far, I > doubt > that's the problem. > As for the SEL, that's what it's there for! You even got a few of us > lurkers to let go the throttle and type a little! > Happy Steaming! > Best Regards; > Jim M. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Prindle" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:08 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > > > > Hi Rick, > > Is the knock when you are running the engine, or turning it over by > > hand. > > Are you running it on air or steam? An engine needs to be timed so that > > it > > goes into compression on each end of the stroke, to cushion it as > > everything comes to a stop and reverses direction. An engine timed wrong > > will really, really knock. > > Another thing that can cause a knock is if the engine is running without > > load and the governor has the steam throttled back so far that the > > pressure in the steam chest is so low that when the engine goes into > > compression, it lifts the slide valve off the seat, then as the piston > > goes back down the cylinder, the valve slams back against its seat. > > The bearings, as you describe them, don't sound all that bad. Are you > > sure > > the knock isn't somewhere else? Steam engines are usually a lot more > > forgiving than a gas engine, things have to be really worn to be a > > problem. > > Do you have a book with the details of setting a slide valve? A slide > > valve is a lot harder to set than a poppet or corliss valve since you > > can't get everything perfect, just a series of compromises. Ha, sounds > > like being married. > > Good Luck, > > Joe > > > > > > > > --- Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > > > > > G'day all; > > > Friend Corky and I are at our wits end trying to find a very > > > obnoxious > > > knock(s) on both dead centers of our vertical Wachs engine. This list > > > has > > > such great experience with main bearing babbitt, I wanted to ask here. > > > > > > Here's the engine and as you all probably know a "Single Simple" > > > fires?? > > > on both sides of the piston; > > > > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2308067910039077051Ronfyj > > > > > > Dial indicator on end of cs shows .003 slop. This may indicate a > > > bend > > > > > > crank or just out of round..I would think this would be tolerable. > > > > > > M/B babbitt looks new and shows no sign of ever being scrapped...one > > > can > > > still see some ripples. There is some side to side/axial slop in both > > > main > > > bearings. Yes, this would have showed up on the dial indicator had we > > > loaded one side. > > > > > > Now the big question as the crank is going to the crank doc and he > > > can > > > > > > flux weld and machine to any diameter. > > > > > > Do I have him flux weld and machine to a diameter so there is no > > > side > > > to > > > side/axial slop and if so, how do I determine what diameter to use? > > > > > > Also, the rod inserts show wear on one side towards the solid > > > flywheel. > > > How do I assure this crank is level? This has been mentioned > > > before..eh, > > > Curt.. somewhile back. > > > > > > I really don't want to pour new babbitt. > > > > > > > > > Thanks much...after this endeavor, I'll be headed back to the 4.5hp > > > New > > > Way in which I'm always looking for a mixer. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > Joe Prindle > > Baraboo, WI USA > > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike > Milligan > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 07:04:09 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:04:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc Message-ID: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> Just reviewing some books that we have in our engine library, and Wendel's BRB came to light, albeit with a little surface dust! I seem to remember Arnie/Dave giving details about the various issues and reprints of these, and I wonder if I could prevail upon their good nature to run the explanation again please? The one we have is a 'new' 1994 reprint of the 1983 original, but there were others I believe, including the one released last year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Oct 6 17:33:06 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:33:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> Hi Peter, BYB, 1983. BRB 1994 (Poor photo copy of the 1983 book because the 1983 plates were "lost"--this one had a RED cover.) Paperback Published about 6-8 years ago. (Better quality because of improved copying techniques.) BYB (and Vol. II) published about 2 years ago. Vol II content is for shit and not worth the paper upon which it is printed. Vol. I looks to be about the same as the 1983 edition. Be very careful of what you buy on eBay. Most advertised as 1983 are likely the 2005(?) reprint! Dave On Oct 6, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Just reviewing some books that we have in our engine library, and > Wendel's BRB came to light, albeit with a little surface dust! > > I seem to remember Arnie/Dave giving details about the various issues > and reprints of these, and I wonder if I could prevail upon their good > nature to run the explanation again please? > > The one we have is a 'new' 1994 reprint of the 1983 original, but > there were others I believe, including the one released last year. > > Peter From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 6 18:28:58 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> Message-ID: <994684.90988.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Dave,,,, You didn't mention all those leather bound ones you have bought,,, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan David Rotigel wrote: Hi Peter, BYB, 1983. BRB 1994 (Poor photo copy of the 1983 book because the 1983 plates were "lost"--this one had a RED cover.) Paperback Published about 6-8 years ago. (Better quality because of improved copying techniques.) BYB (and Vol. II) published about 2 years ago. Vol II content is for shit and not worth the paper upon which it is printed. Vol. I looks to be about the same as the 1983 edition. Be very careful of what you buy on eBay. Most advertised as 1983 are likely the 2005(?) reprint! Dave On Oct 6, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Just reviewing some books that we have in our engine library, and > Wendel's BRB came to light, albeit with a little surface dust! > > I seem to remember Arnie/Dave giving details about the various issues > and reprints of these, and I wonder if I could prevail upon their good > nature to run the explanation again please? > > The one we have is a 'new' 1994 reprint of the 1983 original, but > there were others I believe, including the one released last year. > > Peter _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Oct 6 19:35:37 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:35:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <994684.90988.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <994684.90988.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The leather bound volumes were published in 1983 along with the BYB's first printing. The paper was of a better quality, but the images were the same. Dave PS, I should look to see how many of those I have! On Oct 6, 2007, at 9:28 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Hey Dave,,,, > You didn't mention all those leather bound ones you have bought,,, > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > David Rotigel wrote: Hi Peter, > BYB, 1983. > BRB 1994 (Poor photo copy of the 1983 book because the 1983 plates > were "lost"--this one had a RED cover.) > Paperback Published about 6-8 years ago. (Better quality because of > improved copying techniques.) > BYB (and Vol. II) published about 2 years ago. Vol II content is for > shit and not worth the paper upon which it is printed. Vol. I looks > to be about the same as the 1983 edition. > Be very careful of what you buy on eBay. Most advertised as 1983 are > likely the 2005(?) reprint! > Dave > > On Oct 6, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > >> Just reviewing some books that we have in our engine library, and >> Wendel's BRB came to light, albeit with a little surface dust! >> >> I seem to remember Arnie/Dave giving details about the various issues >> and reprints of these, and I wonder if I could prevail upon their >> good >> nature to run the explanation again please? >> >> The one we have is a 'new' 1994 reprint of the 1983 original, but >> there were others I believe, including the one released last year. >> >> Peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > web links. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 00:09:59 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:09:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> On 07/10/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Peter, > BYB, 1983. > BRB 1994 (Poor photo copy of the 1983 book because the 1983 plates > were "lost"--this one had a RED cover.) > Paperback Published about 6-8 years ago. (Better quality because of > improved copying techniques.) > BYB (and Vol. II) published about 2 years ago. Vol II content is for > shit and not worth the paper upon which it is printed. Vol. I looks > to be about the same as the 1983 edition. > Be very careful of what you buy on eBay. Most advertised as 1983 are > likely the 2005(?) reprint! > Dave > Great! Many thanks for that information, Dave, I was wondering about buying Vol II, but maybe not now. I agree with the quality of the images on the 1994 version, so maybe I'd be better off looking for a good original. The leather bound version seems to attract very high bids whenever it comes up, I know I bid for one some years ago and the price went ballistic :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 7 18:59:37 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:59:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Way...... Message-ID: <57C87C53-DB12-4B1E-98A8-DA07F0A8BA74@alltel.net> Arnie and I have loaded engines for YEARS! See: http:// itrocks.biteus.org/amazing-stonehenge-mistery-solved/ Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 7 19:11:15 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:11:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> <6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <627B2A26-C5E3-46AD-8710-B9C1A806C3EC@alltel.net> > Many thanks for that information, Dave, I was wondering about buying > Vol II, but maybe not now. > Peter Buy the damn thing. it's CHEEP and will complete your set! Dave From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Oct 8 06:24:36 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:24:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Way...... In-Reply-To: <57C87C53-DB12-4B1E-98A8-DA07F0A8BA74@alltel.net> Message-ID: Dave: Verrrry eentaresting! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 09:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] The Way...... > > > Arnie and I have loaded engines for YEARS! See: http:// > itrocks.biteus.org/amazing-stonehenge-mistery-solved/ > Dave From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 05:38:59 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] The Way...... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <588698.7875.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That site is only part of the story. Go look at this complete YouTube on that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0 Much more info. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Elden DuRand wrote: Dave: Verrrry eentaresting! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 09:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] The Way...... > > > Arnie and I have loaded engines for YEARS! See: http:// > itrocks.biteus.org/amazing-stonehenge-mistery-solved/ > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 8 09:59:48 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> <6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hiya Peter, A couple of additional details on the Bible. I think all of the leather-bound volumes are serial numbered (300 copies total?) and signed by Wendel. The "new" BYB will have a numeral one on the spine (to match the numeral two on the second volume). An original 80's BYB will not have the numeral on the spine. I agree with others, the content of Vol. 2 doesn't warrent purchase unless one is just trying to get all the volumes for their bookshelf. See ya, Arnie On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 07/10/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > > BYB, 1983. > > BRB 1994 (Poor photo copy of the 1983 book because the 1983 plates > > were "lost"--this one had a RED cover.) > > Paperback Published about 6-8 years ago. (Better quality because of > > improved copying techniques.) > > BYB (and Vol. II) published about 2 years ago. Vol II content is for > > shit and not worth the paper upon which it is printed. Vol. I looks > > to be about the same as the 1983 edition. > > Be very careful of what you buy on eBay. Most advertised as 1983 are > > likely the 2005(?) reprint! > > Many thanks for that information, Dave, I was wondering about buying > Vol II, but maybe not now. > > I agree with the quality of the images on the 1994 version, so maybe > I'd be better off looking for a good original. > > The leather bound version seems to attract very high bids whenever it > comes up, I know I bid for one some years ago and the price went > ballistic :-)) From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 8 09:28:47 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:28:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com><4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net><6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c809c8$52a67910$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > I agree with others, the content of Vol. 2 doesn't warrent purchase unless > one is just trying to get all the volumes for their bookshelf. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dunnoh , that 30ft planer at Allis is pretty neat . Then there's the 150hp v12 Johnson , and I had never seen the Economic before . From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 8 09:55:20 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:55:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <000c01c809c8$52a67910$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com><4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net><6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c809c8$52a67910$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904B1F326@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I'm sure the Vol.2 was discussed when it first came out, but I'll add my opinion as well. I agree with others that it is a terrible book and unless you are wanting a complete set, skip it. It is obvious this was a quickly thrown together book. The book would be only a third to half the size if the same format had been used as in the first volumn books. The new book could be called the Large Print Book as the font size is larger and the leading (spacing between lines) is also larger. Basically a technique to fill up space with less text. The quality of the photos are worse than the BRB. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc > I agree with others, the content of Vol. 2 doesn't warrent purchase > unless one is just trying to get all the volumes for their bookshelf. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dunnoh , that 30ft planer at Allis is pretty neat . Then there's the 150hp v12 Johnson , and I had never seen the Economic before . _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 11:41:06 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:41:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904B1F326@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> <6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c809c8$52a67910$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904B1F326@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160710081141j2471c33cp5b86347a326aa7ab@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2007, Best, George wrote: > > I'm sure the Vol.2 was discussed when it first came out, but I'll add my > opinion as well. > > I agree with others that it is a terrible book and unless you are > wanting a complete set, skip it. > > It is obvious this was a quickly thrown together book. The book would > be only a third to half the size if the same format had been used as in > the first volumn books. The new book could be called the Large Print > Book as the font size is larger and the leading (spacing between lines) > is also larger. Basically a technique to fill up space with less text. > The quality of the photos are worse than the BRB. > > George > George & Arnie: Many thanks for the additional information. We wanted to make sure that we had sufficient information here to be able to recognise and identify any engines that we happened across, be they in the UK or on our visits to Portland. One of the problems we have, with the various series of Portland trip reports that we have put up for viewing, is that very often we will have a picture of an engine that is not identified, so the occasional visitor is left wondering what it is, and why we didn't label it correctly. We hope to be able go through the four year's worth of pictures and remedy this soon. We have now been able to get hold of a 1980's BYB, which we should have soon. We won't bother now with the new issue (Vol II) as it seems by common consent to be not worth buying. I wonder if Chuck Wendel was the architect behind this issue, or his publishers? What happened to the original plates? Dave mentioned thet they were 'lost', any further information on that comment? Thanks again, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 00:18:00 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:18:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ray Hooley - Contact Information Updated Message-ID: <6f6025160710090018m792bd37es70dc3664b464aa2e@mail.gmail.com> Ray has asked me to update his website with his new postal address and email address. He has retained his old telephone number. Full details on his site: http://www.oldengine.org/members/ruston Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Oct 9 00:52:06 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:52:06 +1300 Subject: [SEL] The Way...... In-Reply-To: <588698.7875.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I thought that was really more realistic and believeable than aliens from space theories quite possible given the technology that was available in those times its amazing what he has achieved with such basic tools at his disposal there methods of construction would have to be along similar lines. Brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Alan Bowen Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The Way...... That site is only part of the story. Go look at this complete YouTube on that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0 Much more info. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Elden DuRand wrote: Dave: Verrrry eentaresting! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 09:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] The Way...... > > > Arnie and I have loaded engines for YEARS! See: http:// > itrocks.biteus.org/amazing-stonehenge-mistery-solved/ > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! 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Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.4/1056 - Release Date: 10/7/2007 6:12 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 9 10:53:35 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam> Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC Message-ID: Hiya Folks, If you're not otherwise committed, this weekend (Fri-Sat-Sun) is the time to point your GPS toward Dallas, NC for Cotton Ginning Days. http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/ There's always a great display of high-quality old iron (see the pictures), a great gathering of engine folks, and of course, the star of the show, an 1800's vintage cotton gin in operation!! And if you're STILL not convinced, the weather is gonna be freakin' gorgeous AND BOTH of the elusive Cloistered Oyster Brothers are rumored to be attending. Damn, it just doesn't get better than this!! 8-)) http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Dallas&state=NC&site=GSP&textField1=35.3147&textField2=-81.1768&e=0 See y'all there!! Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 9 10:21:39 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:21:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC References: Message-ID: <00d001c80a98$db4aac70$6501a8c0@PaulNew> sure do cut a lot of wood there :) Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC > Hiya Folks, > > If you're not otherwise committed, this weekend (Fri-Sat-Sun) is the time > to point your GPS toward Dallas, NC for Cotton Ginning Days. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/ > > There's always a great display of high-quality old iron (see the > pictures), a great gathering of engine folks, and of course, the star of > the show, an 1800's vintage cotton gin in operation!! > > And if you're STILL not convinced, the weather is gonna be freakin' > gorgeous AND BOTH of the elusive Cloistered Oyster Brothers are rumored to > be attending. Damn, it just doesn't get better than this!! 8-)) > http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Dallas&state=NC&site=GSP&textField1=35.3147&textField2=-81.1768&e=0 > > See y'all there!! Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 9 10:26:33 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:26:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] shows Message-ID: <00d701c80a99$8a5305f0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Arie is right, it is getting late in the season and weather is right for shows. I have done 3 shows in Northern Indiana,the last 4 weeks, and have had a ball. I tend to pick on smaller shows, people are always friendly, and it is easy to make new friends. I did the LaGrange, Valparaiso, and Kendallville show, like I said, had a blast. Time is running out, go enjoy. Well for me time is running out, cause with fuel the way it is, going 900 miles to a show is too expensive. Paul Waugh - IN From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 9 11:20:23 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:20:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470BC667.9090903@imc-group.com> Arnie, Thanks so much for doing what I have been woefully remiss at doing. TOO much going on these days setting up a bus bar processing line here at work. BTW the Eagle Continental gin was made in 1900. The frame still has all the original wood on it. Saturday we fired the engine and gin up and ginned a little cotton too. We have a new duct system to remove much of the air blowing at the condensor (collects the ginned cotton) and the air quality in the gin building is much improved. If you like displaying machinery and showing it to the general public this is the show for you. We have 25,000 people attend CGD and most are spectators. There will be lots of wood sawing, shingle cutting, tractor driving, tale tales, a few lies told, great food, and great company to be found at CGD. The SEL gathering point will be the wood sawing area just below the gin and engine building. And while I'm almost afraid to say this out loud, Arnie is right the weather is supposed to be freakin' gorgeous! Highs in the low 70's is going to be a very welcome change after being in the 90's this week (97? yesterday) Rumor also has it that the significant others' of the Cloistered Oyster Brothers are attending as well. Should be loads of fun. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: > Hiya Folks, > > If you're not otherwise committed, this weekend (Fri-Sat-Sun) is the time > to point your GPS toward Dallas, NC for Cotton Ginning Days. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/ > > There's always a great display of high-quality old iron (see the > pictures), a great gathering of engine folks, and of course, the star of > the show, an 1800's vintage cotton gin in operation!! > > And if you're STILL not convinced, the weather is gonna be freakin' > gorgeous AND BOTH of the elusive Cloistered Oyster Brothers are rumored to > be attending. Damn, it just doesn't get better than this!! 8-)) > http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Dallas&state=NC&site=GSP&textField1=35.3147&textField2=-81.1768&e=0 > > See y'all there!! Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 9 13:10:58 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC In-Reply-To: <470BC667.9090903@imc-group.com> References: <470BC667.9090903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Curt wrote: > Too much going on these days setting up a bus bar... Damn, that's EXCELLENT!!!! How many keg taps do you reckon you'll get installed? Are ya gonna do wine on tap and margaritas? How about, in keeping with the event, add a tap for gin & tonic? You guys do go all out to keep the exhibitors happy!!!! BTW, do you plan on having a sponsor for the bus bar? I'll bet that the Yeungling brewery would kick in to have their name prominantly displayed. See ya, Arnie PS - I think that gin & tonic tap will REALLY appeal to the Cloistered Oysters "significant others." 8-))) From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 9 12:38:15 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:38:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC In-Reply-To: References: <470BC667.9090903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <470BD8A7.4020306@imc-group.com> Yes Arnie the SEL party bus is coming along quite well. There will be one keg tap for every window on the bus. Mixers will be handled within, including the show special, the Cotton Gin & Tonic you mentioned. The bus bar is at the show grounds and is right beside the spot designated for Dave's Austral. I'm sure he won't mind. :-) Curt P.S. You haven't seen that picture in a while..... Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Curt, > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Curt wrote: > > >> Too much going on these days setting up a bus bar... >> > > Damn, that's EXCELLENT!!!! How many keg taps do you reckon you'll get > installed? Are ya gonna do wine on tap and margaritas? How about, in > keeping with the event, add a tap for gin & tonic? > > You guys do go all out to keep the exhibitors happy!!!! > > BTW, do you plan on having a sponsor for the bus bar? I'll bet that the > Yeungling brewery would kick in to have their name prominantly displayed. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - I think that gin & tonic tap will REALLY appeal to the Cloistered > Oysters "significant others." 8-))) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 9 13:56:52 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC In-Reply-To: <470BD8A7.4020306@imc-group.com> References: <470BC667.9090903@imc-group.com> <470BD8A7.4020306@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hiya Curt, EXCELLENT!!!! Clearly, CGD 2007 is shaping up to rival the year at Portland that featured the caged Aussies. Folks, if you're not there you're gonna wish you had been. It's pretty tough when you're bouncing that grandchild on your knee and they look up all sad and ask "Grandpa, what were YOU doing that caused you to miss CGD 2007?" Those tear-streaked little faces will just rip your heart out. Be there.... See ya, Arnie On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Curt wrote: > Yes Arnie the SEL party bus is coming along quite well. There will be > one keg tap for every window on the bus. Mixers will be handled within, > including the show special, the Cotton Gin & Tonic you mentioned. > The bus bar is at the show grounds and is right beside the spot > designated for Dave's Austral. I'm sure he won't mind. :-) > From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Oct 9 14:36:18 2007 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:36:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20071009142841.03ec0a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From George_Best at adp.com Tue Oct 9 14:48:08 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:48:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20071009142841.03ec0a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20071009142841.03ec0a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904B89C71@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Looks like a vertical Stover to me. Plus Mitchell was a Stover reseller. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:36 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Oct 9 15:31:39 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904B89C71@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <185674.60802.qm@web82015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George I was looking at the Dual Tag and thinking Stover as well. It is a reallly neat photo. But without photos of larger stover verticals to reference here at work, I didn't want to jump in...yet... Steve --- "Best, George" wrote: Looks like a vertical Stover to me. Plus Mitchell was a Stover reseller. George -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Oct 9 16:44:51 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:44:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine Message-ID: Larry, Thanks for posting those old great photos! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Oct 9 18:31:45 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:31:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20071009142841.03ec0a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071010013129.KFMA21110.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I would have to agree that it is an early Stover vertical. The carby is quite distinctive. It would have been an impressive rig to see running especially on a log that size! Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 9 18:50:22 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:50:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine In-Reply-To: <20071010013129.KFMA21110.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071010013129.KFMA21110.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <470C2FDE.6080500@scrtc.com> Wonder how long it would take to saw through a log as big as the one pictured? The Stover drag saw set up would beat the heck out of two men standing on each side of that log pulling a cross cut through it! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >I would have to agree that it is an early Stover vertical. The carby is >quite distinctive. It would have been an impressive rig to see running >especially on a log that size! >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >-----Original Message----- > > >A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of >her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've >been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are >fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early >industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able >to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four >stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in >size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ >to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. > >Thanks, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 9 20:44:48 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:44:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info Message-ID: <470C4AB0.4000400@scrtc.com> Does anyone have a FM catalog that gives engine weight? I need to know what a 12 HP Type N weighs. This is a full base, hit and miss model. Thanks! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Oct 9 21:47:30 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:47:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info Message-ID: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tommy. My catalog No. 91A says approx.. shipping weight is 4,500 lbs. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:44:48 -0400 Judge Tommy Turner writes: > Does anyone have a FM catalog that gives engine weight? I need to > know > what a 12 HP Type N weighs. This is a full base, hit and miss > model. > Thanks! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Oct 10 03:49:07 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:49:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine Message-ID: <101020071049.15980.470CAE23000BF29400003E6C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Larry, I believe that the ladys father's engine is a Stover 5hp, model "C",1905 vintage, which is identical to mine and if the engine is still around please forward the serial number so I can research more data on it from our club museum library as we have the orginal Stover sales records. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Larry Evans To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:45:14 +0000 > A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of > her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've > been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are > fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early > industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able > to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four > stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in > size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ > to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. > > Thanks, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 10 09:28:07 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:28:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> Thanks Ron. Thats what I need. On a side note, I remember about 25 years ago rolling out of Montana with an 8 HP N in the back of my pickup, a 12 HP N on my trailer (which had a 7000 lb rating) and by the time I got back to KY, I had a total of 28 engines on both. Several were 1 1/2 JDs, a few Economy engines but also on the trailer was a 6 HP Type T FM. I blew 2 tires out in Madison, WI and blew a rim off in IL. When I finally rolled into the house, I noticed one of the wheels sort of leaning over. I unloaded the trailer, jacked it up and when I shook the wheel, it came off in my hands. The bearings were totally shot and it had worn the nut on the end of the spindle down considerably. I had to replace the whole axle and then it was ready for another trip. That old trailer probably has a half million miles on it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Tommy. >My catalog No. 91A says approx.. shipping weight is 4,500 lbs. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:44:48 -0400 Judge Tommy Turner >writes: > > >>Does anyone have a FM catalog that gives engine weight? I need to >>know >>what a 12 HP Type N weighs. This is a full base, hit and miss >>model. >>Thanks! >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 10 10:44:54 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: <470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of engines cross the decks in that same time!! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Thanks Ron. Thats what I need. On a side note, I remember about 25 > years ago rolling out of Montana with an 8 HP N in the back of my > pickup, a 12 HP N on my trailer (which had a 7000 lb rating) and by the > time I got back to KY, I had a total of 28 engines on both. Several > were 1 1/2 JDs, a few Economy engines but also on the trailer was a 6 HP > Type T FM. I blew 2 tires out in Madison, WI and blew a rim off in IL. > When I finally rolled into the house, I noticed one of the wheels sort > of leaning over. I unloaded the trailer, jacked it up and when I shook > the wheel, it came off in my hands. The bearings were totally shot and > it had worn the nut on the end of the spindle down considerably. I had > to replace the whole axle and then it was ready for another trip. That > old trailer probably has a half million miles on it. From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Wed Oct 10 09:56:43 2007 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:56:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002a01c80b5e$88f9c200$1402a8c0@Waynexp> "I'll bet that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of engines cross the decks in that same time!!" Arnie, is that today's prices or the price's when they crossed? Only Tommy knows for sure!! Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info Hi Tommy, ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of engines cross the decks in that same time!! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Thanks Ron. Thats what I need. On a side note, I remember about 25 > years ago rolling out of Montana with an 8 HP N in the back of my > pickup, a 12 HP N on my trailer (which had a 7000 lb rating) and by the > time I got back to KY, I had a total of 28 engines on both. Several > were 1 1/2 JDs, a few Economy engines but also on the trailer was a 6 HP > Type T FM. I blew 2 tires out in Madison, WI and blew a rim off in IL. > When I finally rolled into the house, I noticed one of the wheels sort > of leaning over. I unloaded the trailer, jacked it up and when I shook > the wheel, it came off in my hands. The bearings were totally shot and > it had worn the nut on the end of the spindle down considerably. I had > to replace the whole axle and then it was ready for another trip. That > old trailer probably has a half million miles on it. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 10 10:38:53 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:38:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <470D0E2D.9080503@scrtc.com> Arnie, I've kept a running total that I give to my wife after each engine trip. Looks like the total thus far is about $900. ;-) Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Tommy, > >ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet >that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of >engines cross the decks in that same time!! > >See ya, Arnie > >On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>Thanks Ron. Thats what I need. On a side note, I remember about 25 >>years ago rolling out of Montana with an 8 HP N in the back of my >>pickup, a 12 HP N on my trailer (which had a 7000 lb rating) and by the >>time I got back to KY, I had a total of 28 engines on both. Several >>were 1 1/2 JDs, a few Economy engines but also on the trailer was a 6 HP >>Type T FM. I blew 2 tires out in Madison, WI and blew a rim off in IL. >>When I finally rolled into the house, I noticed one of the wheels sort >>of leaning over. I unloaded the trailer, jacked it up and when I shook >>the wheel, it came off in my hands. The bearings were totally shot and >>it had worn the nut on the end of the spindle down considerably. I had >>to replace the whole axle and then it was ready for another trip. That >>old trailer probably has a half million miles on it. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 10 13:29:29 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: <470D0E2D.9080503@scrtc.com> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> <470D0E2D.9080503@scrtc.com> Message-ID: ROFLMAO!!! Tommy! Stop it! My ribs hurt! I've also kept a log book of what all I've spent & received in my time in the hobby. I've never totaled it up. I REALLY don't want to know! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I've kept a running total that I give to my wife after each engine > trip. Looks like the total thus far is about $900. ;-) > > Arnie Fero wrote: > >ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet > >that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of > >engines cross the decks in that same time!! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Oct 10 14:16:24 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:16:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001901c80b82$d548c830$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Arnie, you should relate to that! I remember a trailer at Baraboo........... And another pic I saw had a transport with odd looking angles on the wheels. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > Hi Tommy, > > ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet > that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of > engines cross the decks in that same time!! > > See ya, Arnie From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Oct 10 15:40:56 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:40:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married to an old man!! Marg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 10 16:03:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:03:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Hi Marg, Only 72? My doG I would have believed at lear 15 years older than that. He must have been ridden hard and put away wet more than once! And the guy is married to such a young looking women! Dave PS, Happy birthday Reg! On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:40 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I > am married > to an old man!! Marg From clemsweller at etczone.com Wed Oct 10 18:01:51 2007 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:01:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001701c80ba2$4f143130$ed3c9390$@com> Happy birthday Reg! Hope to see you at Portland again next year! Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:41 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married to an old man!! Marg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 8:43 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 8:43 AM From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Oct 10 18:23:57 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:23:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001701c80ba2$4f143130$ed3c9390$@com> Message-ID: <008a01c80ba6$32073930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thanks mate. I am planning to get over in 08. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > Happy birthday Reg! Hope to see you at Portland again next year! > > Chuck Emsweller > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am > married > > to an old man!! Marg > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: > 10/10/2007 > 8:43 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: > 10/10/2007 > 8:43 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Oct 10 18:50:37 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:50:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: On Oct 10, 2007, at 3:40 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I > am married > to an old man!! Marg Hi Marg, The best wishes go to YOU for putting up with that ol' borsted for all these years. Don't write off Reg just cuz he's old. With modern technology, he's probably got a few good years left in him. http:// tinyurl.com/2oulfl xo, Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 19:58:53 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <895315.90824.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW, I am reliving the old days then some,,,,, I joined a survivalist yahoo list yesterday. Over 700 new emails in 36 hours. I am stunned. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Alan Bowen wrote: Hi Folks, I was just thinking about when I joined this list. I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. What do you figure the difference is now? My vote is SmokeStak. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Oct 10 20:36:12 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:36:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <895315.90824.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <895315.90824.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071010233524.03464b00@pop3.wcoil.com> With the troubling times, survival skills is a hot topic. Mark At 10:58 PM 10/10/07, you wrote: >WOW, >I am reliving the old days then some,,,,, >I joined a survivalist yahoo list yesterday. >Over 700 new emails in 36 hours. >I am stunned. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > >Alan Bowen wrote: Hi Folks, > > >I was just thinking about when I joined this list. >I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. >That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. >I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. > >What do you figure the difference is now? > >My vote is SmokeStak. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > >--------------------------------- >Building a website is a piece of cake. >Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Oct 11 11:43:17 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:43:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info & SEL Charity Auction. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470E6EC5.8020003@databak.co.za> > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:38:53 -0400 > From: Judge Tommy Turner > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info Arnie, I've kept a running total that I give to my wife after each engine trip. Looks like the total thus far is about $900. ;-) Tommy Turner Great one Tommy :-), And, of course, you being a judge 'n all who is to doubt your word? Almost like saying "It's gotta be true - I saw it on T.V." P.S. Tommy I'm still waiting for details for the brass plates that you bought (and paid for) on last years Charity auction. Nearly time for this years auction !! When does the new auction start - last years one was a lot of fun. I'm wondering what to put on this years auction - probably a few more brass plates and some decals (anyone need a few Maytag Decals?)I've gotta look at things that will not be too expensive to post from South Africa. Keep well Jerry >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:29:29 -0400 (EDT) > From: Arnie Fero > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > ROFLMAO!!! Tommy! Stop it! My ribs hurt! > I've also kept a log book of what all I've spent & received in my time in > the hobby. I've never totaled it up. I REALLY don't want to know! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> I've kept a running total that I give to my wife after each engine >> trip. Looks like the total thus far is about $900. ;-) >> >> Arnie Fero wrote: >>> ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet >>> that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of >>> engines cross the decks in that same time!! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:16:24 +1000 > From: "R & M Ingold" > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Message-ID: <001901c80b82$d548c830$0401a8c0 at reg6db4351094b> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Arnie, you should relate to that! > I remember a trailer at Baraboo........... > And another pic I saw had a transport with odd looking angles on the wheels. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 3:44 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > > >> Hi Tommy, >> >> ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet >> that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of >> engines cross the decks in that same time!! >> >> See ya, Arnie > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:40:56 +1000 > From: "R & M Ingold" > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Message-ID: <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0 at reg6db4351094b> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married > to an old man!! Marg > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:03:30 -0400 > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi Marg, > Only 72? My doG I would have believed at lear 15 years older than > that. He must have been ridden hard and put away wet more than once! > And the guy is married to such a young looking women! > Dave > PS, Happy birthday Reg! > > On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:40 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I >> am married >> to an old man!! Marg > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:01:51 -0400 > From: "chuck emsweller" > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Message-ID: <001701c80ba2$4f143130$ed3c9390$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Happy birthday Reg! Hope to see you at Portland again next year! > > Chuck Emsweller > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married > > to an old man!! Marg > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 > 8:43 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 > 8:43 AM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:23:57 +1000 > From: "R & M Ingold" > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Message-ID: <008a01c80ba6$32073930$0401a8c0 at reg6db4351094b> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thanks mate. I am planning to get over in 08. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > > >> Happy birthday Reg! Hope to see you at Portland again next year! >> >> Chuck Emsweller >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:41 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info >> >> Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am >> married >> >> to an old man!! Marg >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: >> 10/10/2007 >> 8:43 AM >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: >> 10/10/2007 >> 8:43 AM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:50:37 -0700 > From: Rob Skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > On Oct 10, 2007, at 3:40 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I >> am married >> to an old man!! Marg > > > Hi Marg, > The best wishes go to YOU for putting up with that ol' borsted for > all these years. Don't write off Reg just cuz he's old. With modern > technology, he's probably got a few good years left in him. http:// > tinyurl.com/2oulfl > > xo, > Rob > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:58:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alan Bowen > Subject: Re: [SEL] Remember the old days? > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: <895315.90824.qm at web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > WOW, > I am reliving the old days then some,,,,, > I joined a survivalist yahoo list yesterday. > Over 700 new emails in 36 hours. > I am stunned. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > Alan Bowen wrote: Hi Folks, > > > I was just thinking about when I joined this list. > I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. > That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. > I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. > > What do you figure the difference is now? > > My vote is SmokeStak. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:36:12 -0400 > From: Mark Shulaw > Subject: Re: [SEL] Remember the old days? > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071010233524.03464b00 at pop3.wcoil.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > With the troubling times, survival skills is a hot topic. Mark > > At 10:58 PM 10/10/07, you wrote: >> WOW, >> I am reliving the old days then some,,,,, >> I joined a survivalist yahoo list yesterday. >> Over 700 new emails in 36 hours. >> I am stunned. >> >> Alan Bowen >> Williamsburg, Michigan >> >> Alan Bowen wrote: Hi Folks, >> >> >> I was just thinking about when I joined this list. >> I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. >> That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. >> I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. >> >> What do you figure the difference is now? >> >> My vote is SmokeStak. >> >> Alan Bowen >> Williamsburg, Michigan >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Building a website is a piece of cake. >> Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > End of SEL Digest, Vol 43, Issue 11 > *********************************** > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Oct 11 11:59:25 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:59:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Birthday_Boy=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470E728D.60106@databak.co.za> Message: 7 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:40:56 +1000 From: "R & M Ingold" Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info To: "The SEL email discussion list" Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married to an old man!! Marg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold HAPPY (BELATED) BIRTHDAY REG, I wish you many more - could'nt happen to a nicer guy. Marg, watch out about calling Reg "Old" or he could start using my philosophy, "All the girls my age are 'so old' ". Reg, Jacqui (my daughter) and I really wish you everything of the best for your birthday - have something in one of those wine glass oilers on us - preferably a good Red! Keep well, Jerry From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu Oct 11 16:20:51 2007 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:20:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20071009142841.03ec0a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20071009142841.03ec0a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20071011161925.04b2b820@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi again...... Thanks for the responses. Looks like it is a Stover 5 hp. engine. I have found out that there is a good possibility that this beast still exists and if so I will try to get current pictures of it. Curt, if I can get numbers off of the engine I will get back to you. Regards, Larry At 02:36 PM 10/9/2007, you wrote: >A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of >her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've >been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are >fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early >industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able >to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four >stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in >size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ >to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. > >Thanks, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 11 19:03:18 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:03:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reggie In-Reply-To: <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <1192154598.470ed5e6d9690@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Marg, I guess Reg being SOOOO much older is why he keeps bragging about having a "trophy wife." Reg, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! See ya, Arnie PS - 72 ain't old (if you're a TREE)!! 8-)) Quoting R & M Ingold : > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married > to an old man!! Marg From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 11 19:32:18 2007 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:32:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Paint Question Message-ID: <011d01c80c78$1cbc2400$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> I'm working on a 3 HP Leader engine and like to know what color these were. The tag says Leader Engine Works but everything else points to a late 1922 or early 23 Stover "W" . Would these of been a Leader color or Stover probably dark green color? Thanks Dick Bauer From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Oct 12 00:17:47 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:17:47 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Reggie In-Reply-To: <1192154598.470ed5e6d9690@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie they are only jealous congratulations on your birthday what more can a man want a young beautiful wife at his side to admire all those lovely stationary engines together may you keep those smoke stacks a puffin for many years to come. brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Reggie G'day Marg, I guess Reg being SOOOO much older is why he keeps bragging about having a "trophy wife." Reg, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! See ya, Arnie PS - 72 ain't old (if you're a TREE)!! 8-)) Quoting R & M Ingold : > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married > to an old man!! Marg _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1064 - Release Date: 10/11/2007 3:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1064 - Release Date: 10/11/2007 3:09 PM From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Oct 12 01:31:55 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:31:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Reggie References: Message-ID: <01f301c80cab$bf5ccc90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Dunno quite what you said, but, thanks anyway!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Reggie > Arnie they are only jealous congratulations on your birthday what more can > a > man want a young beautiful wife at his side to admire all those lovely > stationary engines together may you keep those smoke stacks a puffin for > many years to come. brent > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:03 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Reggie > > > G'day Marg, > > I guess Reg being SOOOO much older is why he keeps bragging about having a > "trophy wife." Reg, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - 72 ain't old (if you're a TREE)!! 8-)) > > Quoting R & M Ingold : > >> Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am > married >> to an old man!! Marg > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1064 - Release Date: > 10/11/2007 > 3:09 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1064 - Release Date: > 10/11/2007 > 3:09 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Sat Oct 13 05:06:11 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:36:11 +0930 Subject: [SEL] Roseworthy References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech><000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos><6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com><000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos> <7.0.1.0.1.20070925075054.01b00c30@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000c01c80d91$739e91d0$40caae3a@chaos> Pictures from the Gawler Machinery clubs show at Roseworthy Agriculture College museum http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32597268&f= From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sat Oct 13 15:26:28 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:26:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] gas tank cap Message-ID: <013801c80de8$1a1a3cc0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> I lost my original gas cap going down the road. I have not had much luck finding a replacement. Starbolt has one that measure 1 3/4 in across, mine is 2 1/4 in across. I would really like to keep as original as possible and not replace the entire 'nipple' and cap. There are ways to make a new cap look old. Looking for ideas or places to purchase. 'Yes' answers are welcome, but more information does help. :) Paul Waugh From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 13 15:50:49 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:50:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gas tank cap References: <013801c80de8$1a1a3cc0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <005201c80deb$80731340$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Rolled threads ? I. D. or OD flanged ? ////////// >I lost my original gas cap going down the road. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 13 15:59:26 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:59:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1918 FWD Model B Truck References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com><4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net><6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005301c80dec$b4cc7400$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Yeah its rough looking with lace tin , powdered wood , and solid cast wheels , sitting out in the brush down in the Valley . My buddy will be draggin it in soon and asked me if I knew anybody that might know somebody that frequents a message board or any offiicianado sites on the net for ww1 truck stuff . I fed him a BS line about Pershing rolling a couple dozen model B's through here on his way to greet Pancho Villa and he is absolutely drunk with that possibility multiplying the thrill of finding it with his bulldozer . (He has completed an IHC Highwheeler, and will eventually figure out that Black Jack's party was over by 1917 ) But to see him swoon ! Yeah Im a cad , but we both needed a little fun . There are a bunch of old well locations on the same property and I am waiting for him to report back with his finding a big Krueger Atlas or something more mundane . Maybe a Hae Gang even ? Lol Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/Failure.html From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sat Oct 13 16:45:53 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:45:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] gas tank cap References: <013801c80de8$1a1a3cc0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <005201c80deb$80731340$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <014a01c80df3$31cc5d70$6501a8c0@PaulNew> I guess they are rolled thread, no sharp edges .. 2 1/4 in is the approx I.D. of the cap itself Thanks Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] gas tank cap > Rolled threads ? I. D. or OD flanged ? > > > ////////// > > >>I lost my original gas cap going down the road. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Oct 13 18:28:00 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:28:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] gas tank cap In-Reply-To: <013801c80de8$1a1a3cc0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> References: <013801c80de8$1a1a3cc0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <1192325280.471170a08a41b@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Paul, Check with John Wanat (the fuel tank & cooling tank guy). He might be able to fix you up. See ya, Arnie Quoting Paul Waugh : > I lost my original gas cap going down the road. I have not had much luck > finding a replacement. Starbolt has one that measure 1 3/4 in across, mine is > 2 1/4 in across. I would really like to keep as original as possible and not > replace the entire 'nipple' and cap. There are ways to make a new cap look > old. Looking for ideas or places to purchase. 'Yes' answers are welcome, > but more information does help. :) From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Oct 13 23:13:07 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:13:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Roseworthy References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech><000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos><6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com><000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos><7.0.1.0.1.20070925075054.01b00c30@ncable.com.au> <000c01c80d91$739e91d0$40caae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <002e01c80e29$49d1e6c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks for posting Derek. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Roseworthy > Pictures from the Gawler Machinery clubs show at Roseworthy Agriculture > College museum > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32597268&f= > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Oct 15 04:12:21 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:12:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama Message-ID: <002801c80f1c$41c0bb70$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All Does anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama ? Peter, Oz From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 04:30:52 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 04:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama In-Reply-To: <002801c80f1c$41c0bb70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <11950.22286.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My first guess would be YES. I haven't heard of any toxic fallout that would have driven every single person away from there. 8>)) So sorry, It is just the mood I am in,,,, Alan Peter Lowe wrote: Hi All Does anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama ? Peter, Oz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Oct 15 04:43:42 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:43:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Roseworthy In-Reply-To: <000c01c80d91$739e91d0$40caae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <20071015114343.XDAH12143.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> There are some nice engines there. Thanks for the pics. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Pictures from the Gawler Machinery clubs show at Roseworthy Agriculture College museum http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32597268&f= From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Oct 15 05:03:59 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:03:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama References: <11950.22286.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006101c80f23$78638840$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Alan We all have those moments of weakness ;-))) Steve lives in Huntsville and is looking after it for me. Peter, Oz > My first guess would be YES. > I haven't heard of any toxic fallout that would have driven every single > person away from there. 8>)) > > So sorry, It is just the mood I am in,,,, > Alan > > Peter Lowe wrote: Hi All > > Does anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama ? > > Peter, Oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get > listings, and more! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 15 07:21:00 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:21:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine Message-ID: <20071015.104115.904.11.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, I received the following e-mail from Jessie who probably saw my website. I am forwarding it to anyone who might be interested. The area code is Arkansas. Maybe someone can help. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Jessie Gellen" To: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:05:43 -0500 Subject: witte 4 h p engine Message-ID: <000601c80e84$74a93fa0$01fea8c0 at compaq> I HAVE A OLD WITTE ENGINE .IT IS A4 H P AND 550 SPEED WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF.PLEASE CALL 870-741-2547. From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Oct 15 10:25:18 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results In-Reply-To: <006101c80f23$78638840$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <331187.64180.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good Afternoon... I went to an engine auction over the weekend in Boscobel, WI. Over 100 engines (and motors / Maytag Boat Anchors, etc) were sold. Results at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007Boscobel1.htm Enjoy.... Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 15 10:45:34 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:45:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama References: <002801c80f1c$41c0bb70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001c01c80f53$31413b80$240110ac@FAMILY> Peter, I live about a 5 hour drive from Huntsville. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:12 AM Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama > Hi All > > Does anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama ? > > Peter, Oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 15 10:58:12 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:58:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results References: <331187.64180.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007201c80f54$f460c030$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Steve, I really enjoyed looking at the items and the prices. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results > Good Afternoon... > > I went to an engine auction over the weekend in Boscobel, WI. Over 100 > engines (and motors / Maytag Boat Anchors, etc) were sold. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 15 11:14:42 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:14:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results References: <331187.64180.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c80f57$428baac0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I did thanks , that Davis is the bees knees > Enjoy.... > > Steve From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 15 11:54:36 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:54:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results In-Reply-To: <000a01c80f57$428baac0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <331187.64180.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000a01c80f57$428baac0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <4713B76C.9040206@scrtc.com> Seeing the Davis makes me realize the ID of a flywheel that I have. I never knew what it was off of. Thanks for the photos and info Steve. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I did thanks , that Davis is the bees knees > > > >>Enjoy.... >> >>Steve >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 13:08:42 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results In-Reply-To: <331187.64180.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <428857.22261.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Steve, In this picture I don't see any Ottawa parts. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007Boscobel/104.jpg Those log saw parts are telling me they are Hercules. I have the Ottawa and someplace around here I think I have those Hercules parts too. Ottawa didn't use that chain drive. AFAIK Maybe a very early Ottawa ??????? I don't have any info on them. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Steve Barr wrote: Good Afternoon... I went to an engine auction over the weekend in Boscobel, WI. Over 100 engines (and motors / Maytag Boat Anchors, etc) were sold. Results at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007Boscobel1.htm Enjoy.... Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. From ottawa at pa.net Mon Oct 15 13:45:10 2007 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:45:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results References: <428857.22261.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d901c80f6c$47fff320$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Alan, that sure looks like the Ottawa counter weight to me. I think maybe it was something that was "cobbled" together. That is possibly what Steve saw. My gosh, his service is free! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Bowen To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results Hi Steve, In this picture I don't see any Ottawa parts. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007Boscobel/104.jpg Those log saw parts are telling me they are Hercules. I have the Ottawa and someplace around here I think I have those Hercules parts too. Ottawa didn't use that chain drive. AFAIK Maybe a very early Ottawa ??????? I don't have any info on them. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Steve Barr wrote: Good Afternoon... I went to an engine auction over the weekend in Boscobel, WI. Over 100 engines (and motors / Maytag Boat Anchors, etc) were sold. Results at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007Boscobel1.htm Enjoy.... Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mraasch at hickorytech.net Mon Oct 15 14:44:50 2007 From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (marc) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:44:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Roseworthy References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech><000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos><6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com><000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos><7.0.1.0.1.20070925075054.01b00c30@ncable.com.au> <000c01c80d91$739e91d0$40caae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <006301c80f74$9d9834c0$3bb91845@InsigniaPC> Hi "derek" I was looking at your pictures from the Gawler Machinery club. I was looking at picture # 10 which looks like a fuller & johnson. The one i have looks like the intake vale is too short and the spring is too short too strong to open to let gas in.I don't have a name plate. The throttle is also missing. I will email you a picture and see what you think. Thank Great pictures. mraasch at hickorytech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:06 AM Subject: [SEL] Roseworthy > Pictures from the Gawler Machinery clubs show at Roseworthy Agriculture > College museum > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32597268&f= > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.10/1070 - Release Date: > 10/14/2007 9:22 AM > From astfgl at iamnota.org Mon Oct 15 14:55:50 2007 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:55:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Imperial Super Diesel info request Message-ID: <4713E1E6.1020207@iamnota.org> I'm in the process of buying an AH McDonald Imperial Super Diesel, number 4208FF. It's in fairly good condition, lots of surface rust but turns freely. The stop lever is broken in a couple of places and the fuel tank has been crushed from above, but other than that it looks fine. I'd appreciate any info on this engine, particularly weight as I have to put it onto a trailer in a few weeks to get it home. Cheers, glen. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 16:10:03 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results In-Reply-To: <00d901c80f6c$47fff320$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <84948.55952.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ya sure, Helen. I bow to your knowledge. However, When I first saw my Hercules saw parts I told the guy it sure looks like they ripped off Ottawa. I am now gonna wait to see if Steve speaks up and says the Ottawa name was cast into it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan George/Helen Myers wrote: Alan, that sure looks like the Ottawa counter weight to me. I think maybe it was something that was "cobbled" together. That is possibly what Steve saw. My gosh, his service is free! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Bowen To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results Hi Steve, In this picture I don't see any Ottawa parts. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007Boscobel/104.jpg Those log saw parts are telling me they are Hercules. I have the Ottawa and someplace around here I think I have those Hercules parts too. Ottawa didn't use that chain drive. AFAIK Maybe a very early Ottawa ??????? I don't have any info on them. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Steve Barr wrote: Good Afternoon... I went to an engine auction over the weekend in Boscobel, WI. Over 100 engines (and motors / Maytag Boat Anchors, etc) were sold. Results at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007Boscobel1.htm Enjoy.... Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 15 16:28:18 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:28:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine References: <20071015.104115.904.11.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00a301c80f83$122d4bf0$240110ac@FAMILY> Hello Joe, I live in North Central Arkansas and the 870 prefix is in my adjoining county. I just tried to call the man to see where the engine is located and what he wants for it and got no answer. I will try again later. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine Hi List, I received the following e-mail from Jessie who probably saw my website. I am forwarding it to anyone who might be interested. The area code is Arkansas. Maybe someone can help. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Jessie Gellen" To: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:05:43 -0500 Subject: witte 4 h p engine Message-ID: <000601c80e84$74a93fa0$01fea8c0 at compaq> I HAVE A OLD WITTE ENGINE .IT IS A4 H P AND 550 SPEED WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF.PLEASE CALL 870-741-2547. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Oct 15 17:25:07 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results In-Reply-To: <84948.55952.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <240176.75559.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alan If you look at the photo, you can se the raised area where Ottawa was cast in it. Steve --- Alan Bowen wrote: Ya sure, Helen. I bow to your knowledge. However, When I first saw my Hercules saw parts I told the guy it sure looks like they ripped off Ottawa. I am now gonna wait to see if Steve speaks up and says the Ottawa name was cast into it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan George/Helen Myers wrote: Alan, that sure looks like the Ottawa counter weight to me. I think maybe it was something that was "cobbled" together. That is possibly what Steve saw. My gosh, his service is free! Helen http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007Boscobel/104.jpg From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 15 20:04:06 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:04:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine Message-ID: <20071015.231650.856.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Paul, Hope it works out for you. Let me know. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:28:18 -0500 "Paul Maples" writes: > Hello Joe, > > I live in North Central Arkansas and the 870 prefix is in my > adjoining > county. I just tried to call the man to see where the engine is > located and > what he wants for it and got no answer. I will try again later. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:21 AM > Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine > > > Hi List, > I received the following e-mail from Jessie who probably saw my > website. > I am forwarding it to anyone who might be interested. > The area code is Arkansas. > Maybe someone can help. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything > (_o_) except how to refold it". > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: "Jessie Gellen" > To: > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:05:43 -0500 > Subject: witte 4 h p engine > Message-ID: <000601c80e84$74a93fa0$01fea8c0 at compaq> > > I HAVE A OLD WITTE ENGINE .IT IS A4 H P AND 550 SPEED WOULD LIKE TO > GET > RID OF.PLEASE CALL > 870-741-2547. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 15 20:32:08 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:32:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine References: <20071015.231650.856.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <005901c80fa5$225d4ee0$240110ac@FAMILY> Hello Joe, Unless it was almost a give-away I would not be interested but I thought I would try and get the info and put it out on the list and if a list member bought it I could store it for as long as they needed me to. I have been calling him ever since 9:15 PM all the way to 9:50 PM and his line was busy, it is now too late for me to call him. He may have been talking to a buyer. Anyway it goes I will let you know if I can get a hold of him. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine Hi Paul, Hope it works out for you. Let me know. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:28:18 -0500 "Paul Maples" writes: > Hello Joe, > > I live in North Central Arkansas and the 870 prefix is in my > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 16 05:48:22 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:48:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine References: <20071015.231650.856.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <006001c80ff2$d62dfee0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> ding . a late model condensor cooled Witte just showed up at me knackers yard . From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 06:02:23 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 06:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results In-Reply-To: <240176.75559.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <770721.24239.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay, Doubts removed. Sorry, Steve at that angle I couldn't tell what it had on it. Alan Steve Barr wrote: Alan If you look at the photo, you can se the raised area where Ottawa was cast in it. Steve --- Alan Bowen wrote: Ya sure, Helen. I bow to your knowledge. However, When I first saw my Hercules saw parts I told the guy it sure looks like they ripped off Ottawa. I am now gonna wait to see if Steve speaks up and says the Ottawa name was cast into it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan George/Helen Myers wrote: Alan, that sure looks like the Ottawa counter weight to me. I think maybe it was something that was "cobbled" together. That is possibly what Steve saw. My gosh, his service is free! Helen http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007Boscobel/104.jpg _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. From ottawa at pa.net Tue Oct 16 07:20:25 2007 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:20:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results References: <770721.24239.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <069201c80fff$b266ae50$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Alan, you are correct, the sprocket that was on the mechanism did not appear to be Ottawa.....Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Bowen To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results Okay, Doubts removed. Sorry, Steve at that angle I couldn't tell what it had on it. Alan Steve Barr wrote: Alan If you look at the photo, you can se the raised area where Ottawa was cast in it. Steve --- Alan Bowen wrote: Ya sure, Helen. I bow to your knowledge. However, When I first saw my Hercules saw parts I told the guy it sure looks like they ripped off Ottawa. I am now gonna wait to see if Steve speaks up and says the Ottawa name was cast into it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan George/Helen Myers wrote: Alan, that sure looks like the Ottawa counter weight to me. I think maybe it was something that was "cobbled" together. That is possibly what Steve saw. My gosh, his service is free! Helen http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007Boscobel/104.jpg _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Oct 16 11:55:28 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:55:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up Message-ID: Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 12:08:52 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:08:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Stuff On The Website Message-ID: <6f6025160710161208q28864745kd64256c752ee45c6@mail.gmail.com> We have been adding more bits to the website recently: Kohler 1925 Sales brochure for their generators -Entry is on the Kohler Menu Lister Start-O-Matic generator operating book and parts list - Entry on the Technical Menu Coventry-Climax 3.5kVA Gennies (new toys!) - New Icon on the main page Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 16 13:22:07 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hiya Luke, DAMN, you DO have "the eye" for a great photo. portland23 thru portland25 are BRILLIANT!! Anyone have any background on that set of pics? See ya, Arnie On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my > disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk > with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.html From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 16 12:57:02 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:57:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4715178E.3000702@imc-group.com> Hey Luke, Looks like we are both on Pete's "list" now. I took and posted nearly the exact same photos! Ditto Arnie's comments on the photos 23 - 25. I immediately forwarded these to some engine friends who had a new grandbaby on Saturday night. Won't be long 'till their young one is doing the same. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: > Hiya Luke, > > DAMN, you DO have "the eye" for a great photo. > portland23 thru portland25 are BRILLIANT!! > Anyone have any background on that set of pics? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > >> Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my >> disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk >> with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 16 13:35:48 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:35:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up References: Message-ID: <000f01c81034$22eefa90$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > DAMN, you DO have "the eye" for a great photo.>>> and I think he snapped my neighbor , Brother Polasek http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland97.html From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 16 16:24:55 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:24:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up References: <4715178E.3000702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002101c8104b$c3efe690$f04d0b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up > Hey Luke, > Looks like we are both on Pete's "list" now. I took and posted nearly > the exact same photos! > Ditto Arnie's comments on the photos 23 - 25. I immediately forwarded > these to some engine friends who had a new grandbaby on Saturday night. > Won't be long 'till their young one is doing the same. > Curt Hi Curt, Martin Stevens posted on OldEngine that his son Owen was born on the 13th of Sept. He said he hoped he was going to be an engine man so I posted him a little starter. (A 4 & 5 BA King Dick spanner). Martin posted me this picture of Owen http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2273485410028520097YuXUNV That looks a good start for a young engineer. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 16 16:38:54 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:38:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up References: Message-ID: <012601c8104d$b767d2a0$240110ac@FAMILY> Nice pictures Luke, thanks for sharing them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 16 20:53:48 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:53:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama In-Reply-To: <002801c80f1c$41c0bb70$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002801c80f1c$41c0bb70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: > Hi All > > Does anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama ? > > Peter, Oz Hi Peter, The answer to your question is a resounding YES! Dave From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Oct 16 21:50:07 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:50:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama References: <002801c80f1c$41c0bb70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001d01c81079$31428770$0601a8c0@altech> >> Hi All >> >> Does anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama ? >> >> Peter, Oz > > Hi Peter, The answer to your question is a resounding YES! > Dave Oh Evil One, I left myself open there didn't I !!!!!!!! ;-))) Peter, Oz From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 17 05:59:13 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:59:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results References: <331187.64180.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000a01c80f57$428baac0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <4713B76C.9040206@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Didn't Galloway buy out Davis and that's why we see the Vertical in the Gal Red Book? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results > Seeing the Davis makes me realize the ID of a flywheel that I have. I > never knew what it was off of. Thanks for the photos and info Steve. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >I did thanks , that Davis is the bees knees > > > > > > > >>Enjoy.... > >> > >>Steve > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Oct 17 06:16:10 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:16:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arnie, These people were set up just down the aisle from us toward the food. I was coming back from lunch one time and saw the youngster all over the engine. I stood and watched for a good 5 minutes. I didn't have my camera and figured by the time I ran back to get it he would have been done playing engine. Well the next day the little guy was at it again and I had my camera this time. He actually would monkey with the needle valve and choke plate, try to push in the valves and then walk around and try to spin the flywheels over. It was great to watch him operate!Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA==========================> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:22:07 -0400> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up> > Hiya Luke,> > DAMN, you DO have "the eye" for a great photo.> portland23 thru portland25 are BRILLIANT!!> Anyone have any background on that set of pics?> > See ya, Arnie> > On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Luke Tonneberger wrote:> > > Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my> > disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk> > with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here:> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.html _________________________________________________________________ Boo!?Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews From oldengineman at hotmail.com Wed Oct 17 11:16:04 2007 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:16:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, Thanks for putting the Portland pictures up. Contrary to what Curt may think, neither you nor he is on any of my lists, other than my list of friends. I am always glad to demonstrate a proven technique for coping with the excitement of an engine show when it starts to become overwhelming. I learned this from a master -- see photo 96 in your Portland pictures. 'til later, Pete Stauffer> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:55:28 +0000> Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up> > > Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA> _________________________________________________________________> Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today.> http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ? together at last. ?Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 17 11:41:52 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:41:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017201208.00b81380@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >From: Luke Tonneberger >Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up > >Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my >disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk >with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke >TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA Hi Luke, Your pics are really good - congratulations. Thanks for going to the trouble. You say it's an old Mavica - I'm tempted to say "good camera" but of course it's not the camera. it's the photographer! When I was a "short one" my Dad often teased my Mom when she prepared a particularly good meal - he'd say "This meat is really nice, where did you buy it?". Of course her retort was "It's not where I bought it that's important, but how I prepared it!". In similar vein I get pretty peeved when I make something good (usually woodwork) in my workshop and some idiot says "Hell you really are lucky to have all these nice tools". Luck has nothing to do with it, I've worked long and hard to buy every tool or machine that I have but if I did not know how to use them they would be worthless! Then of course there is also the classic one. Someone once said to Gary Player (our South African world class golfer). "Hell Gary, you are so LUCKY, you play golf all the time and look how much money you earn for it" Gary replied, "Yes it's amazing, but the funny thing is that the harder I work (at it) the LUCKIER I get!" Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 17 11:52:25 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:52:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2648D284-0C31-4F81-9C4D-8997F513C40B@alltel.net> Hi Pete, You mean that you have changed brands and now drink Old Milwaukee? Dave On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Peter Stauffer wrote: > > Hi Luke, > > Thanks for putting the Portland pictures up. Contrary to what Curt > may think, neither you nor he is on any of my lists, other than my > list of friends. I am always glad to demonstrate a proven > technique for coping with the excitement of an engine show when it > starts to become overwhelming. I learned this from a master -- see > photo 96 in your Portland pictures. > > 'til later, > > Pete Stauffer> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:55:28 > +0000> Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up> > > Finally had > some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my disks > was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk > with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/ > portland2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA> > _________________________________________________________________> > Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. > Stop by today.> http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/ > info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/ > mailman/listinfo/sel > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ? together at > last. Get it now. > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx? > pid=CL100626971033 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 17 12:05:19 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:05:19 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017205110.00b818b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 17/10/2007, you wrote: >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: "Engine List" > >Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke >TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA Hi Tommy (Turner) Being a relative newbie to this game I was not aware of the tornado that hit you 10 years ago (1997). and That must have been pretty traumatic - something that we (who do not experience tornado's) would never be able to understand. I'm happy (very belatedly) that you and your collection are still with us. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 17 12:16:19 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:16:19 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017210730.00b83da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: "Engine List" > >Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my >disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk with >the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke >TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA Hey Luke, I really like this one. He must be a Maytag owner! "Kick it once and you can relax until the fuel runs out!" C'mon guys, lets have a competition to see who can come up with the best caption for this photograph. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From oldengineman at hotmail.com Wed Oct 17 12:37:04 2007 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:37:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: <2648D284-0C31-4F81-9C4D-8997F513C40B@alltel.net> References: <2648D284-0C31-4F81-9C4D-8997F513C40B@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, No, I haven't changed brands. I'll willingly consume almost any kind of wobbly pop that comes my way, especially OP's. Pete > From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:52:25 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up> > Hi Pete, You mean that you have changed brands and now drink Old > Milwaukee?> Dave> > On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Peter Stauffer wrote:> > >> > Hi Luke,> >> > Thanks for putting the Portland pictures up. Contrary to what Curt > > may think, neither you nor he is on any of my lists, other than my > > list of friends. I am always glad to demonstrate a proven > > technique for coping with the excitement of an engine show when it > > starts to become overwhelming. I learned this from a master -- see > > photo 96 in your Portland pictures.> >> > 'til later,> >> > Pete Stauffer> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com> To: > > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:55:28 > > +0000> Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up> > > Finally had > > some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my disks > > was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk > > with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/ > > portland2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA> > > _________________________________________________________________> > > Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. > > Stop by today.> http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/ > > info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/ > > mailman/listinfo/sel> > _________________________________________________________________> > Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ? together at > > last. Get it now.> > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx? > > pid=CL100626971033> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ? together at last. ?Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 From curt at imc-group.com Wed Oct 17 12:30:46 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:30:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017210730.00b83da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017210730.00b83da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <471662E6.3010102@imc-group.com> C'mon guys, lets have a competition to see who can come up with the best caption for this photograph. > > > Jerry, Captions.......neat idea! ....my entry. "Just like a Maytag" Curt From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Oct 17 12:36:39 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:36:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up Message-ID: <20071017.123639.1768.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> "With visions of Maytags dancing in his head" Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 C'mon guys, lets have a competition to see who can come up > with > the best caption for this photograph. > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 17 13:59:57 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2007 Photo Caption Message-ID: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland96.html "So many Maytags, so few axes." From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Oct 17 15:33:43 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:33:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: <471662E6.3010102@imc-group.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017210730.00b83da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <471662E6.3010102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071018083310.01aeb2a8@ncable.com.au> >Caption! Who removed the axe! Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 17 16:02:48 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:02:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up Message-ID: In a message dated 10/17/2007 3:17:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: C'mon guys, lets have a competition to see who can come up with the best caption for this photograph. References: Message-ID: <0JQ20028BYIU2OS2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> At 03:22 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote: >Hiya Luke, > >DAMN, you DO have "the eye" for a great photo. >portland23 thru portland25 are BRILLIANT!! >Anyone have any background on that set of pics? Arnie, I think that's Tom Geier's son... I don't know Tom personally but have talked with him before. He has a ton of engine video's on YouTube. Here's one of the little guy on another engine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXmKjrfYNqs -Tony Kimmell From rex002 at centurytel.net Wed Oct 17 17:48:20 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:48:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017210730.00b83da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001201c81120$95d06f70$6500a8c0@home> Just like a Maytag , sooner or later they run out of Gas ! Ah mmm maybe Ole Mil. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up > >>From: "Luke Tonneberger" >> > Hey Luke, > I really like this one. He must be a Maytag owner! > > "Kick it once and you can relax until the fuel runs out!" > > C'mon guys, lets have a competition to see who can come up with > the best caption for this photograph. > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 17 18:25:07 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:25:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up Message-ID: <200710180125.l9I1P7gH002329@bn3.blue.net> Jerry, It wasn't a fun experience but as long as all of us survived it, we have to count our blessings. Here is a web site that Ken Christianson put together a few years ago. The email address at the end is incorrect. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/turner/tornado1.html Tommy Turner -------- Original Message -------- ==> From: Jerry Evans ==> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:05:19 0200 At 06:00 PM 17/10/2007, you wrote: >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: "Engine List" > >Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke >TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA Hi Tommy (Turner) Being a relative newbie to this game I was not aware of the tornado that hit you 10 years ago (1997). and That must have been pretty traumatic - something that we (who do not experience tornado's) would never be able to understand. I'm happy (very belatedly) that you and your collection are still with us. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Thu Oct 18 04:27:10 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:27:10 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <915423.95787.qm@web35414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Arnie Another next generation photo, even though they are turning to the dark side. It was at Portland 2006 I think the Friday at end of SEL area behind Keith Kinneys display, and they cleaned and rubbed for at least half hour. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Temporary11.html Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > DAMN, you DO have "the eye" for a great photo. > portland23 thru portland25 are BRILLIANT!! > Anyone have any background on that set of pics? Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Oct 18 08:01:17 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:01:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?_Re=3A__Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_no?= =?windows-1256?q?w_pics?= In-Reply-To: References: <001201c801d8$c4aaf100$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> Message-ID: I have put up some pictures of the little Hercules Power Plant. I ended up paying $300 for it. Pics can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-242f.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-243f.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-244f.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-245f.jpgLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!? Play Star Shuffle:? the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Oct 18 08:18:22 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:18:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_no_=3D=3Fw?= =?windows-1256?b?aW4uLi4=?= Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/2007 8:07:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, flywheelin at hotmail.com writes: I have put up some pictures of the little Hercules Power Plant. Luke, Is this engine thermo siphon cooled - no water pump? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca 93454 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 18 08:31:07 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:31:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_now_pics?= References: <001201c801d8$c4aaf100$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> Message-ID: That should come in handy Luke....I have a similiar LeRoy with gearbox but never had it apart... Is it either in or out, or can one slip it in, such as a slip clutch? Nice find, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Hercules Power Plant Price? - now pics > > I have put up some pictures of the little Hercules Power Plant. I ended up > paying $300 for it. Pics can be seen here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-242f.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-243f.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-244f.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-245f.jpgLuke > TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble > challenge with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 18 15:06:21 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:06:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shameless Self-Promotion (OT) Cub Cadet 782 Tractor Message-ID: <1192745181.4717d8dd3ba08@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Folks, Does anyone need a lovely IHC Cub Cadet 782 tractor / mower / snow plow? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260172673472 Its a goodun'. Please pass this along to anyone you think might be interested. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 18 16:00:45 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:00:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank Message-ID: <011801c811da$b826c370$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to repair it. Thanks, Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Oct 18 16:45:40 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:45:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: <011801c811da$b826c370$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <011801c811da$b826c370$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <0314c7292c252eb581a1995c147e6424@chartertn.net> Solder. John On Oct 18, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper > hot water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for > my 1905 Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just > wondering if there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be > the best way to repair it. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Oct 18 16:55:00 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:55:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank Message-ID: Hi Paul, The simplest way I can think of, and probably closest to what a farmer 100 years ago would use, is to get some dried horse manure, crumble it and mix a little into the tank while the engine is hot and running. If you don't have a horse, go to the auto parts store and buy some Barrs Leak, a brand of stop leak that I suspect will do about as well as horse manure. Glad to be of help. Ron In a message dated 10/18/2007 6:11:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to repair it. Thanks, Paul ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 18 17:00:30 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:00:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank References: <011801c811da$b826c370$240110ac@FAMILY> <0314c7292c252eb581a1995c147e6424@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <012101c811e3$10fa59f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks John. I am hoping it will be water tight but it has not been leak tested yet. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > Solder. > > John > > On Oct 18, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper >> hot water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for >> my 1905 Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just >> wondering if there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be >> the best way to repair it. > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 18 17:02:00 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:02:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank References: Message-ID: <012601c811e3$46235c30$240110ac@FAMILY> That is a new wrinkle on me Ron, I have been to two county fairs and three hog cuttings and never heard of manure being using to stop a leak.Just goes to prove you can learn something every day. I appreciate the input. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > Hi Paul, > The simplest way I can think of, and probably closest to what a farmer 100 > years ago would use, is to get some dried horse manure, crumble it and mix > a > little into the tank while the engine is hot and running. If you don't > have a > horse, go to the auto parts store and buy some Barrs Leak, a brand of > stop > leak that I suspect will do about as well as horse manure. > > Glad to be of help. > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 18 17:35:51 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Shameless Self-Promotion (OT) Cub Cadet 782 Tractor In-Reply-To: <1192745181.4717d8dd3ba08@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <782561.8152.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Arnie, Why did you put all those links in there if you are only going to show two pictures of the tractor? Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: Hiya Folks, Does anyone need a lovely IHC Cub Cadet 782 tractor / mower / snow plow? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260172673472 Its a goodun'. Please pass this along to anyone you think might be interested. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 18 17:48:01 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:48:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Shameless Self-Promotion (OT) Cub Cadet 782 Tractor In-Reply-To: <782561.8152.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <782561.8152.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2D3CE0E7-3903-4F9D-AA56-2B1A6FFF47FF@rustyiron.com> On Oct 18, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > > Why did you put all those links in there if you are only going to > show two pictures of the tractor? > More importantly, where are all the pictures of Nancy on the tractor? MARKETING, bro, MARKETING! Rob P.S. Let's put this Cinema Display to good use! Awooooga! From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 18 20:34:58 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:34:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shameless Self-Promotion (OT) Cub Cadet 782 Tractor In-Reply-To: <782561.8152.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <782561.8152.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1192764898.471825e21881e@webmail.city-net.com> Alan, You might have to cut & paste the links. eBay is a bit strange sometimes with links. Trust me, all the pics are there. Thanks for looking. Arnie Quoting Alan Bowen : > Hey Arnie, > Why did you put all those links in there if you are only going to show two > pictures of the tractor? > > Does anyone need a lovely IHC Cub Cadet 782 tractor / mower / snow plow? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260172673472 From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Oct 19 14:07:06 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:07:06 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a small amount of curry powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it heats have tried this and it works. brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of MaytagTwin at aol.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:55 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank Hi Paul, The simplest way I can think of, and probably closest to what a farmer 100 years ago would use, is to get some dried horse manure, crumble it and mix a little into the tank while the engine is hot and running. If you don't have a horse, go to the auto parts store and buy some Barrs Leak, a brand of stop leak that I suspect will do about as well as horse manure. Glad to be of help. Ron In a message dated 10/18/2007 6:11:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to repair it. Thanks, Paul ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Oct 19 15:18:40 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:18:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brent: Unlike horse manure ("road apples"), it smells nice, too! Throw in a little rice and you've got a meal. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of tamatea > whanau > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 04:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > > An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a > small amount of curry > powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it > heats have tried this and > it works. brent nz From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Oct 19 15:12:05 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 08:12:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank References: Message-ID: <040a01c8129d$185358e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> My old Dad had a car with a leaking radiator back in the 20s. As he and his mate had to go on a date, they put some oats in to seal it. Driving along with their ladies, it boiled, blew the cap and sprayed them with hot porrige. I dont think it did much for the romantic intentions!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > Brent: > > Unlike horse manure ("road apples"), it smells nice, too! Throw in a > little rice and you've got a meal. > > Take care - Elden > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of tamatea >> whanau >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 04:07 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank >> >> >> An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a >> small amount of curry >> powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it >> heats have tried this and >> it works. brent nz > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Fri Oct 19 16:36:51 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:36:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47193F93.5070605@telenet.net> Plain old ground pepper does the same thing. If you have a gas tank leak and want to stop it fast a neat trick is to rub a bar of ivory soap on the leak. The ingredients in the ivory react with the gas and swell to stop the leak. I used this one on an old Jeep once and the "temporary" repair held for 3 weeks! tamatea whanau wrote: > An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a small amount of curry > powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it heats have tried this and > it works. brent nz > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:55 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > > > Hi Paul, > The simplest way I can think of, and probably closest to what a farmer 100 > years ago would use, is to get some dried horse manure, crumble it and mix a > little into the tank while the engine is hot and running. If you don't > have a > horse, go to the auto parts store and buy some Barrs Leak, a brand of stop > leak that I suspect will do about as well as horse manure. > > Glad to be of help. > > Ron > > > In a message dated 10/18/2007 6:11:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: > > Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot > water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 > Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if > there > is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to repair > it. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 > 2:14 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 > 2:14 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Oct 19 23:24:39 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:24:39 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: <47193F93.5070605@telenet.net> Message-ID: I knew there was something else and it was the ground pepper thanks for reminding me my friend laughed when i suggested the curry powder but it got him home and if it were me i would have flushed the radiator after wards at a convenient time but he left it in and never got round to doing anything else never leaked.Its a good idea to have a few of these tricks up your sleeve just incase you breakdown somewhere it will at least get you home..brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank Plain old ground pepper does the same thing. If you have a gas tank leak and want to stop it fast a neat trick is to rub a bar of ivory soap on the leak. The ingredients in the ivory react with the gas and swell to stop the leak. I used this one on an old Jeep once and the "temporary" repair held for 3 weeks! tamatea whanau wrote: > An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a small amount of curry > powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it heats have tried this and > it works. brent nz > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:55 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > > > Hi Paul, > The simplest way I can think of, and probably closest to what a farmer 100 > years ago would use, is to get some dried horse manure, crumble it and mix a > little into the tank while the engine is hot and running. If you don't > have a > horse, go to the auto parts store and buy some Barrs Leak, a brand of stop > leak that I suspect will do about as well as horse manure. > > Glad to be of help. > > Ron > > > In a message dated 10/18/2007 6:11:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: > > Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot > water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 > Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if > there > is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to repair > it. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 > 2:14 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 > 2:14 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Oct 19 23:24:40 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:24:40 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: <040a01c8129d$185358e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Good story Reg would have put a damper on the nite esp if the ladies were in there sunday best brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:12 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank My old Dad had a car with a leaking radiator back in the 20s. As he and his mate had to go on a date, they put some oats in to seal it. Driving along with their ladies, it boiled, blew the cap and sprayed them with hot porrige. I dont think it did much for the romantic intentions!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > Brent: > > Unlike horse manure ("road apples"), it smells nice, too! Throw in a > little rice and you've got a meal. > > Take care - Elden > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of tamatea >> whanau >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 04:07 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank >> >> >> An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a >> small amount of curry >> powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it >> heats have tried this and >> it works. brent nz > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sat Oct 20 02:01:55 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:01:55 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Elden could be onto something there could be a fund raiser at a local rally indian curry dishs made the old fashioned way. brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:19 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank Brent: Unlike horse manure ("road apples"), it smells nice, too! Throw in a little rice and you've got a meal. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of tamatea > whanau > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 04:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > > An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a > small amount of curry > powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it > heats have tried this and > it works. brent nz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From shop at cccomm.net Sun Oct 21 06:01:43 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:01:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank References: Message-ID: <024201c813e2$8855f350$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> A little something else..... If you want to clean the outside, coat it with catsup, let it stand 15 minutes or so and wipe off. May take a couple of applications tho.. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > Elden could be onto something there could be a fund raiser at a local > rally > indian curry dishs made the old fashioned way. brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Elden DuRand > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:19 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > > Brent: > > Unlike horse manure ("road apples"), it smells nice, too! Throw in a > little > rice and you've got a meal. > > Take care - Elden > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of tamatea >> whanau >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 04:07 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank >> >> >> An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a >> small amount of curry >> powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it >> heats have tried this and >> it works. brent nz > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: > 10/16/2007 > 2:14 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: > 10/16/2007 > 2:14 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Oct 21 08:52:46 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:52:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: <011801c811da$b826c370$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <200710211553.l9LFqpQq055137@mail-gw.fsr.net> Paul, I've been eavesdropping on the replies. Believe me, copper takes to solder so readily, I don't know why any other method would come to mind. Keep these things in mind: 1) All corrosion should be removed before attempting the job. 2) Copper conducts heat away from the soldering iron very readily, making it difficult to get the metal up to temperature. So, it would be a good idea to have a helper use a propane torch to keep the area around the repair good and hot. 3) Use a paste flux. It is cheap and available at most hardware stores. Enjoy. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:01 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to repair it. Thanks, Paul From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 21 09:58:18 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:58:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 Message-ID: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com> Does anyone know what the "feature engine" will be for Portland 2008? Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From falcon at telenet.net Sun Oct 21 11:25:48 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:25:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: <200710211553.l9LFqpQq055137@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200710211553.l9LFqpQq055137@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <471B99AC.8070301@telenet.net> And if your really worried about the solder sticking hit Eastwoods site (or other body shop supply sites) and look for "Tinning Butter)It is flux with a fine powdered solder in it. You just heat the spot, brush it with the TB and you have an instant tinned surface. Then just apply your normal solder. It also works great on gas tanks and many other surfaces as well. If you want a small amount Radio Shack sells it as a soldering iron tip cleaner and tinning agent. Orrin Iseminger wrote: > Paul, I've been eavesdropping on the replies. Believe me, copper takes to > solder so readily, I don't know why any other method would come to mind. > > Keep these things in mind: > > 1) All corrosion should be removed before attempting the job. > > 2) Copper conducts heat away from the soldering iron very readily, making > it difficult to get the metal up to temperature. So, it would be a good > idea to have a helper use a propane torch to keep the area around the repair > good and hot. > > 3) Use a paste flux. It is cheap and available at most hardware stores. > > Enjoy. > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:01 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot > water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 > Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if > there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to > repair it. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 21 11:49:18 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:49:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 References: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <005001c81413$16d8f2f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Tommy I bet it will be a "Havana", what do you think? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 > Does anyone know what the "feature engine" will be for Portland 2008? > Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Oct 21 12:16:10 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:16:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071021204849.00b8abb0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Paul, Late reply to this one but , although I've followed the thread, I've just been too busy to reply. Here's my 2 cents worth. I agree with Orrin and others - you cannot beat solder. It's authentic and, in my opinion, old copper should have a few dents and repairs even if not done perfectly (remember that repairs were often done by the farmer/owner and not each one of them was a skilled tradesman) - that's what gives it character - if it does not have a few dents then give it some !!. Solder also polishes up well with the copper. You did say "small corrosion holes" - these can even be repaired with a small electric soldering iron and cored solder wire - bigger holes will need a copper patch "sweated" on with a larger soldering iron but will also add character. Dave Ernst suggested catsup (we call it tomato sauce). It works due to the acid (I'm not sure which one, is it ascetic or citric) in the tomato sauce. My preferred method is to use a lemon and salt. Put some coarse salt into a saucer, cut a lemon into quarters and dab the lemon into the salt, then use the lemon to "scrub" the copper. It removes all the old tarnish and other stuff and leaves the copper a pinkish colour. Wash it with clean water and then brass polish or buff to restore the beautiful copper colour. This works on both brass and copper. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 21 12:55:06 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:55:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 In-Reply-To: <005001c81413$16d8f2f0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com> <005001c81413$16d8f2f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <471BAE9A.5000104@scrtc.com> Paul, That would be nice! Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Paul Maples wrote: >Tommy I bet it will be a "Havana", what do you think? > >Paul > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:58 AM >Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 > > > > >>Does anyone know what the "feature engine" will be for Portland 2008? >>Thanks. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Oct 21 13:21:13 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:21:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 In-Reply-To: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com> References: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1192998073.471bb4b9a97aa@webmail.city-net.com> Tommy, It's "Indiana Built" engines. Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Does anyone know what the "feature engine" will be for Portland 2008? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 21 13:45:36 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:45:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 In-Reply-To: <1192998073.471bb4b9a97aa@webmail.city-net.com> References: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com> <1192998073.471bb4b9a97aa@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <471BBA70.5030103@scrtc.com> Thanks Arnie. Someone told me it was Ky built engines..... I didn't think it was. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Tommy, It's "Indiana Built" engines. Arnie > >Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > > > >>Does anyone know what the "feature engine" will be for Portland 2008? >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 21 15:07:57 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:07:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 References: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com><005001c81413$16d8f2f0$240110ac@FAMILY> <471BAE9A.5000104@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00c001c8142e$d7783690$240110ac@FAMILY> Don't forget you owe me some pictures of those beauties when you get time. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2008 > Paul, > That would be nice! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > > > Paul Maples wrote: > >>Tommy I bet it will be a "Havana", what do you think? >> >>Paul >> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 21 15:37:16 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:37:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Model Builder Message-ID: <00db01c81432$efb5d290$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks several years ago at Portland there was a model maker that set up under the SEL tent and had several of his models on display. He also sold a model kit with a Video of how to make the engine. Does anyone remember who that was and if so can you tell me how to reach him? Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Oct 21 17:54:36 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:54:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071021204849.00b8abb0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071021204849.00b8abb0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: > My preferred method is to use a lemon and salt. Vinegar and salt is an old favorite combination for cleaning corroded brass or copper. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Sun Oct 21 20:32:12 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:32:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris (Tenax) Message-ID: <01a601c8145c$25148e30$210110ac@service> Hi guys, hoping someone can help, i have a 6hp engine badged as a Tenax, it is either a rebadged type 2 Massey Harris or a australian copy of this engine, if it is a copy who made it? any info at all apreciated, cheers, Chester from West Aus. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 21 21:15:06 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:15:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris (Tenax) In-Reply-To: <01a601c8145c$25148e30$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <20071022041514.ZMH12669.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Chester, As far as I have heard the Tenax is simply a rebadged type2 Massey-Harris. There would have been little or no reason to copy them here as they could be imported with no duty as Canada is part of the Commonwealth. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi guys, hoping someone can help, i have a 6hp engine badged as a Tenax, it is either a rebadged type 2 Massey Harris or a australian copy of this engine, if it is a copy who made it? any info at all apreciated, cheers, Chester from West Aus. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 23:42:08 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:42:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Model Builder In-Reply-To: <00db01c81432$efb5d290$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00db01c81432$efb5d290$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6f6025160710212342t79552714n16b5971ff81e1d96@mail.gmail.com> On 21/10/2007, Paul Maples wrote: > Folks several years ago at Portland there was a model maker that set up under the SEL tent and had several of his models on display. He also sold a model kit with a Video of how to make the engine. Does anyone remember who that was and if so can you tell me how to reach him? > > Paul Curt Andree had his model baler at the 2005 show in the tent area, is that who you are thinking of ? Still got that miniature bale of wood shavings here! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dscott at kooee.com.au Mon Oct 22 02:36:19 2007 From: dscott at kooee.com.au (dscott) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:36:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test only Message-ID: <00b301c8148f$002431b0$0201010a@pc> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 22 04:26:45 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:26:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Model Builder References: <00db01c81432$efb5d290$240110ac@FAMILY> <6f6025160710212342t79552714n16b5971ff81e1d96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002301c8149e$6e811240$240110ac@FAMILY> No Peter, I found the name of the man I was looking for, it was Tom Ball and he is a Model Maker. I have sent him an e-mail. Thanks for the come back. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for Model Builder > On 21/10/2007, Paul Maples wrote: >> Folks several years ago at Portland there was a model maker that set up >> under the SEL tent and had several of his models on display. He also sold >> a model kit with a Video of how to make the engine. Does anyone remember >> who that was and if so can you tell me how to reach him? >> >> Paul > > Curt Andree had his model baler at the 2005 show in the tent area, is > that who you are thinking of ? Still got that miniature bale of wood > shavings here! > > Peter From pitty10 at aapt.net.au Mon Oct 22 04:46:43 2007 From: pitty10 at aapt.net.au (Bradley Pitt) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:46:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] registry Message-ID: <000a01c814a1$382fb540$65db653b@brad> pitty10 at aapt.net.au From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Oct 22 05:10:35 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:10:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test only References: <00b301c8148f$002431b0$0201010a@pc> Message-ID: <004401c814a4$8f911060$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> She's a goer Des. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "dscott" To: "stationary eng" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: [SEL] test only > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Oct 22 05:26:29 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:26:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?_RE=3A_=09Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_?= =?windows-1256?q?now_pics?= In-Reply-To: References: <001201c801d8$c4aaf100$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> Message-ID: Hi Rick, There's no slippin the clutch, it is in or out.Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA ===================> From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Is it either in or out, or can one slip it in, such > as a slip clutch?> > Nice find,> RickinMt. _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Oct 22 05:59:27 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:59:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Scouts Iron Horse 2009 (Victoria, Australia) Message-ID: <471C9EAF.6080304@steamengine.com.au> Hi everyone, Every few years Scouts run an event called Iron Horse. Basically it is a Scout camp with steam and other vintage machinery involved. I'm a Leader with 1st Emerald and have contact with Knox District who run the event (only came back from their opposite of the technology spectrum called Deep Space a couple of weeks ago). The last effort to run this event folded because of lack of steam involvement and insurance problems (remember those years?). Because of my modelling, steam and vintage machinery contacts I've been asked if I would like to help organise activities for the next one. The camp will probably be based around Gilwell Park in Gembrook - probably in mid to late 2009. The camp would likely be popular as it is in a pre Jamboree year and the longer camps are always popular as all the kids must have four straight nights under canvas before Jamboree. Deep Space had around 600 attendees, so somewhere between 600 and 1000 is likely. My initial thoughts would be to ride a steam hauled train from the city to Belgrave, then Puff from Belgrave to Gembrook (2 trains at least) and hike the kids down to Gilwell Park with their baggage carried by steam truck or other vintage truck and trailer. Usually one of the days is away from the camp, so probably a trip to a miniature railway (Cambeltown? (Lysterfield) and DVR are probably the closest that could handle a huge group of kids). Melbourne Steam Centre in Wantirna is another good location. Puffing Billy Museum could handle small groups at a time. To reduce the load on the destination - the camp would be divided into two or three groups - each group would visit all available destinations but always only one group at each place. On the camp itself there would be activities centred around steam and other machinery. Local engine clubs have already shown some interest in putting on a private show for the Scouts. Now what am I chasing you guys for? Ideas! Programming ideas around the theme. Perhaps ideas of a simple steam engine to build that kids with zero machining ability could put together and have it actually run on air. Something that a company or club could be paid to machine a large number of kits for - perhaps a commercial kit? There is potential for club members to become involved in helping kids learn and build things - a current Victorian Working With Children card is mandatory. For those unfamiliar with Scouts - this is an event for 10.5 to 14.5 year old girls and boys divided into troops of 30 and sub-divided into patrols of 10 - 12. Regards Paul From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 22 06:07:51 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:07:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_now_pics?= References: <001201c801d8$c4aaf100$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> Message-ID: Ok..thanks Luke. I reckon mine is the same way on the Le Roi. It is a good runner. Might go out and clear it's throat today as it looks like Indian Summer is here. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:26 AM Subject: [SEL] RE: Hercules Power Plant Price? - now pics > > Hi Rick, > > There's no slippin the clutch, it is in or out.Luke TonnebergerRockford, > MichiganUSA > ===================> From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Is it either in or out, or can one slip it in, such > as a slip > >> clutch?> > Nice find,> RickinMt. > _________________________________________________________________ > Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop > by today. > http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Oct 22 05:25:18 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:25:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?_RE=3A_=09Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_?= =?windows-1256?q?now_pics?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francis, Sorry for the late reply, was having mail troubles. Yes, the engine appears to be thermo siphon, don't see a water pump on it. Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA============================== > From: FRM8198 at aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:18:22 -0400> > Luke,> Is this engine thermo siphon cooled - no water pump? > > Francis Maciel> Santa Maria, Ca 93454> _________________________________________________________________ Boo!?Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Oct 22 07:41:46 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:41:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_=3D=3Fwin?= =?windows-1256?b?Li4u?= Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/2007 6:47:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, flywheelin at hotmail.com writes: Yes, the engine appears to be thermo siphon, don't see a water pump on it. Luke, Thanks for the reply. I have a friend who is new to the hobby that just finished restoring a 1939 CleTrac "General" wheel tractor. The 20 Hp Hercules engine on the General is similar to yours. When I first looked at the General, I was surprised to learn that it was thermo siphon cooled. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca 93454 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Oct 22 08:36:50 2007 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:36:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fall Harvest Days(Arden) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI All, The Arden N.C. Show( Fall Harvest days) Starts this week. I have reserved four fairly large spaces where we usually set up. I'l trying to get a head count to see if we need more space or not. So , please let me know who is planning to attend. I look forward to seeing you there, Steve Royster _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Oct 22 15:12:28 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:12:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] registry In-Reply-To: <000a01c814a1$382fb540$65db653b@brad> References: <000a01c814a1$382fb540$65db653b@brad> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071023081130.01a55828@ncable.com.au> Thats the problem with this list! They let anybody join in! Welcome to the SEL Brad At 09:46 PM 22/10/2007, you wrote: >pitty10 at aapt.net.au >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Oct 23 00:06:25 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:06:25 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Scouts Iron Horse 2009 (Victoria, Australia) In-Reply-To: <471C9EAF.6080304@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Paul well done taking on a project of that size the kids will get alot from it good idea to get them interested while they are young brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul Pavlinovich Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:59 AM To: coals at steamengine.com.au; The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Scouts Iron Horse 2009 (Victoria, Australia) Hi everyone, Every few years Scouts run an event called Iron Horse. Basically it is a Scout camp with steam and other vintage machinery involved. I'm a Leader with 1st Emerald and have contact with Knox District who run the event (only came back from their opposite of the technology spectrum called Deep Space a couple of weeks ago). The last effort to run this event folded because of lack of steam involvement and insurance problems (remember those years?). Because of my modelling, steam and vintage machinery contacts I've been asked if I would like to help organise activities for the next one. The camp will probably be based around Gilwell Park in Gembrook - probably in mid to late 2009. The camp would likely be popular as it is in a pre Jamboree year and the longer camps are always popular as all the kids must have four straight nights under canvas before Jamboree. Deep Space had around 600 attendees, so somewhere between 600 and 1000 is likely. My initial thoughts would be to ride a steam hauled train from the city to Belgrave, then Puff from Belgrave to Gembrook (2 trains at least) and hike the kids down to Gilwell Park with their baggage carried by steam truck or other vintage truck and trailer. Usually one of the days is away from the camp, so probably a trip to a miniature railway (Cambeltown? (Lysterfield) and DVR are probably the closest that could handle a huge group of kids). Melbourne Steam Centre in Wantirna is another good location. Puffing Billy Museum could handle small groups at a time. To reduce the load on the destination - the camp would be divided into two or three groups - each group would visit all available destinations but always only one group at each place. On the camp itself there would be activities centred around steam and other machinery. Local engine clubs have already shown some interest in putting on a private show for the Scouts. Now what am I chasing you guys for? Ideas! Programming ideas around the theme. Perhaps ideas of a simple steam engine to build that kids with zero machining ability could put together and have it actually run on air. Something that a company or club could be paid to machine a large number of kits for - perhaps a commercial kit? There is potential for club members to become involved in helping kids learn and build things - a current Victorian Working With Children card is mandatory. For those unfamiliar with Scouts - this is an event for 10.5 to 14.5 year old girls and boys divided into troops of 30 and sub-divided into patrols of 10 - 12. Regards Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From cburchet at bigpond.net.au Tue Oct 23 19:57:30 2007 From: cburchet at bigpond.net.au (Burchetts) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:57:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans Message-ID: <001701c815e9$9eb27d40$0100000a@carlcc3d967339> Hi I was interested in the plans for Henry Fords first engine? are they still available. Regards Carl From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Oct 23 04:07:55 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:07:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Scouts Iron Horse 2009 (Victoria, Australia) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471DD60B.3040101@steamengine.com.au> Thanks for the thought mate - but I'm only one of many helping to make events like this happen. Lots of little cogs make this very big machine. Regards Paul tamatea whanau wrote: > Paul well done taking on a project of that size the kids will get alot from > it good idea to get them interested while they are young brent > > -----Original Message----- > From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Oct 23 05:48:08 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:48:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans In-Reply-To: <001701c815e9$9eb27d40$0100000a@carlcc3d967339> Message-ID: <200710231248.l9NCmFT0005931@mail-gw.fsr.net> Leon Ridenour has the plans. He lives in Knoxville, TN and can be reached by phone at 865-584-9759. He does not have a computer. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Burchetts Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:58 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans Hi I was interested in the plans for Henry Fords first engine? are they still available. Regards Carl From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 23 09:37:00 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:37:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 43, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Dave Ernst suggested catsup (we call it tomato sauce). It works due to the acid (I'm not sure which one, is it ascetic or citric) in the tomato sauce." Jerry, it's a weak acetic acid, some from the tomatoes but most from the vinegar in the catsup, ketchup, or however it's spelled locally. Saves time and condiments to go with the vinegar directly; use it with salt - coarse, if available. A clean wax applicator pad or bug sponge works well, but if you're overrun with lemons, they work fine, too.Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!? Play Star Shuffle:? the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Oct 23 14:56:06 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:56:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ketchup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 23, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Younger wrote: > ...from the vinegar in the catsup, ketchup, or however it's spelled > locally. I've never heard it called anything but ketchup, and it makes sense to spell it that way. Catsup looks like a contraction of cat soup, as you may find in the local Chinese eatery. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 23 15:15:30 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:15:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ketchup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471E7282.3020303@scrtc.com> In my local grocery you used to be able to buy "ketchup" or "catsup". Made by 2 different companies and I don't know what the difference was. I don't like either and wouldn't have any idea which is better for cleaning purposes. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >On Oct 23, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Younger wrote: > > > >>...from the vinegar in the catsup, ketchup, or however it's spelled >>locally. >> >> > >I've never heard it called anything but ketchup, and it makes sense to >spell it that way. > >Catsup looks like a contraction of cat soup, as you may find in the >local Chinese eatery. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 15:29:37 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Ketchup In-Reply-To: <471E7282.3020303@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <63183.56296.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Same thing here, Tommy. This will have me looking on Friday, but seems like it is all ketchup now. I also don't like it much. I prefer either BBQ sauce or a good salsa. I will grab a bottle of ketchup though and try it on a well tarnished laundry boiler that I plan to use at engine shows in 2008. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Judge Tommy Turner wrote: In my local grocery you used to be able to buy "ketchup" or "catsup". Made by 2 different companies and I don't know what the difference was. I don't like either and wouldn't have any idea which is better for cleaning purposes. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >On Oct 23, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Younger wrote: > > > >>...from the vinegar in the catsup, ketchup, or however it's spelled >>locally. >> >> > >I've never heard it called anything but ketchup, and it makes sense to >spell it that way. > >Catsup looks like a contraction of cat soup, as you may find in the >local Chinese eatery. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 23 19:22:52 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:22:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info Message-ID: <471EAC7C.3010602@scrtc.com> I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago send me his email address and phone number but they are out of date. If anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From glenn.karch at verizon.net Tue Oct 23 20:47:25 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:47:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info References: <471EAC7C.3010602@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003a01c815f0$988cd580$27b7123f@D8LJ7K91> Tommy, I have becker1113 at earthlink.net. I don't know if it is still valid or not. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info >I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago > send me his email address and phone number but they are out of date. If > anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 23 21:07:11 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:07:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info In-Reply-To: <003a01c815f0$988cd580$27b7123f@D8LJ7K91> References: <471EAC7C.3010602@scrtc.com> <003a01c815f0$988cd580$27b7123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <471EC4EF.9060901@scrtc.com> Glenn, Thats the one I've got but it bounces back to me. Thanks! Tommy Glenn Karch wrote: >Tommy, > >I have becker1113 at earthlink.net. I don't know if it is still valid or not. > >Glenn Karch >Hercules Historian >Haubstadt, Indiana, USA >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:22 PM >Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info > > > > >>I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago >>send me his email address and phone number but they are out of date. If >>anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 21:17:17 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:17:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info In-Reply-To: <471EC4EF.9060901@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <017c01c815f4$c837e910$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Hey Tommy That name sounds kinda familiar; anywhere near here? Other lists he might be on? Just a long shot if I knew where to try "snooping." Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Glenn, Thats the one I've got but it bounces back to me. Thanks! Tommy Glenn Karch wrote: >Tommy, > >I have becker1113 at earthlink.net. I don't know if it is still valid or not. > >Glenn Karch >Hercules Historian >Haubstadt, Indiana, USA >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:22 PM >Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info > > > > >>I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago >>send me his email address and phone number but they are out of date. If >>anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Oct 23 22:03:05 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:03:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info In-Reply-To: <471EAC7C.3010602@scrtc.com> References: <471EAC7C.3010602@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, Try http://www.zabasearch.com ? Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Oct 23, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago > send me his email address and phone number but they are out of > date. If > anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > From cburchet at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 24 20:33:40 2007 From: cburchet at bigpond.net.au (Burchetts) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:33:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans References: <200710231248.l9NCmFT0005931@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <002301c816b7$d6a39490$0100000a@carlcc3d967339> Thanks Orrin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans > Leon Ridenour has the plans. He lives in Knoxville, TN and can be reached > by phone at 865-584-9759. He does not have a computer. > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Burchetts > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:58 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans > > Hi I was interested in the plans for Henry Fords first engine? > are they still available. > Regards Carl > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 24 04:36:29 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:36:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info In-Reply-To: <017c01c815f4$c837e910$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <017c01c815f4$c837e910$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <471F2E3D.1040906@scrtc.com> Lew, He used to live in Humble TX, just outside Houston, but I'm not sure if he's still around there or not. The email address and phone number I have for him aren't any good but he could have changed ISP's and may have gotten rid of his land line in favor of a cell phone. Thanks! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hey Tommy > >That name sounds kinda familiar; anywhere near here? Other lists he >might be on? Just a long shot if I knew where to try "snooping." > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- > >Glenn, > Thats the one I've got but it bounces back to me. Thanks! > >Tommy > > > >Glenn Karch wrote: > > > >>Tommy, >> >>I have becker1113 at earthlink.net. I don't know if it is still valid or >> >> >not. > > >>Glenn Karch >>Hercules Historian >>Haubstadt, Indiana, USA >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:22 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago >>>send me his email address and phone number but they are out of date. >>> >>> >If > > >>>anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: >10/22/2007 7:57 PM > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: >10/22/2007 7:57 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 24 04:53:27 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:53:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info In-Reply-To: References: <471EAC7C.3010602@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <471F3237.8020609@scrtc.com> Rob, That is one great search tool that I'm going to bookmark. His name and number popped right up! Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Tommy, >Try http://www.zabasearch.com > >? > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > >On Oct 23, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago >>send me his email address and phone number but they are out of >>date. If >>anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Wed Oct 24 06:00:44 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:00:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info In-Reply-To: <471F2E3D.1040906@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002b01c8163d$e6b5cf30$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Ok; well, not close to here. Just seems like the name's kinda familiar. I'm on a bunch of homestead, small farming, etc. yahoo groups; will keep my eyes open for the name. BTW the shop's finally done, forklift fixed & ready to use, bout ready to start the big move from across town. Lew -----Original Message----- Lew, He used to live in Humble TX, just outside Houston, but I'm not sure if he's still around there or not. The email address and phone number I have for him aren't any good but he could have changed ISP's and may have gotten rid of his land line in favor of a cell phone. Thanks! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hey Tommy > >That name sounds kinda familiar; anywhere near here? Other lists he >might be on? Just a long shot if I knew where to try "snooping." > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Oct 24 09:34:50 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:34:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. Message-ID: <20071024163506.7F7E15807D@gw1.nlenet.net> I found this on Ebay and it arrived today. http://lbpinc.com/compressor2.jpg It appears to be a very early Pelton & Crane Co. dental compressor. Any experts out there? It should clean up well and will add some more fun to my trailer with the generator on it. I think I will find a way to run it slow because it makes a great noise. I show it with a drill motor to give an idea of size. Does any one have any ideas on where I can get a belt? http://lbpinc.com/newone.JPG About a week after winning that one I got this one. I haven't got this one home yet. It is complete and therefor a bit heavy to ship. I guess with two I have a collection. Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 24 10:41:17 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. In-Reply-To: <20071024163506.7F7E15807D@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <940360.9108.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice toys, Frank. Is that a tensioning pulley I see? If it is I would just make up a belt. I have a piece of conveyor belt that I cut to make custom belts then I also have several different belt lacer machines. For that maybe an automotive serpentine belt,,,,, If you can't find one the right size then cut a longer one and lace it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Frank DeWitt wrote: I found this on Ebay and it arrived today. http://lbpinc.com/compressor2.jpg It appears to be a very early Pelton & Crane Co. dental compressor. Any experts out there? It should clean up well and will add some more fun to my trailer with the generator on it. I think I will find a way to run it slow because it makes a great noise. I show it with a drill motor to give an idea of size. Does any one have any ideas on where I can get a belt? http://lbpinc.com/newone.JPG About a week after winning that one I got this one. I haven't got this one home yet. It is complete and therefor a bit heavy to ship. I guess with two I have a collection. Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Oct 24 10:46:17 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:46:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. Message-ID: <20071024175249.2E94E5849B@gw1.nlenet.net> Nice toys, Frank. Is that a tensioning pulley I see? If it is I would just make up a belt. I have a piece of conveyor belt that I cut to make custom belts then I also have several different belt lacer machines. For that maybe an automotive serpentine belt,,,,, If you can't find one the right size then cut a longer one and lace it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Thanks, Yes it has a spring loaded tension pulley. Belt length is not critical. It also has a crown on the big pulley and flanges on the small one. Odd. Thanks for the ideas Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 24 10:55:00 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:55:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 43, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071024195325.00b8e990@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > >From: Bruce Younger >Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 43, Issue 22 >To: > >"Dave Ernst suggested catsup (we call it tomato sauce). It works due to >the acid (I'm not sure which one, is it ascetic or citric) in the tomato >sauce." > >Jerry, it's a weak acetic acid, some from the tomatoes but most from the >vinegar in the catsup, ketchup, or however it's spelled locally. Saves >time and condiments to go with the vinegar directly; use it with salt - >coarse, if available. A clean wax applicator pad or bug sponge works >well, but if you're overrun with lemons, they work fine, too.Bruce Younger Thanks Bruce Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Oct 24 10:58:20 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:58:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. In-Reply-To: <20071024163506.7F7E15807D@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20071024163506.7F7E15807D@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <001901c81667$76a3d4b0$05fea8c0@doc> Aren't they gorgeous? I want one.... Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Frank DeWitt > Sent: 24 October 2007 17:35 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. > > I found this on Ebay and it arrived today. > http://lbpinc.com/compressor2.jpg > It appears to be a very early Pelton & Crane Co. dental > compressor. Any experts out there? It should clean up well and will > add some more fun to my trailer with the generator on it. I think I > will find a way to run it slow because it makes a great noise. I > show it with a drill motor to give an idea of size. > Does any one have any ideas on where I can get a belt? > > http://lbpinc.com/newone.JPG > About a week after winning that one I got this one. I haven't got > this one home yet. It is complete and therefor a bit heavy to > ship. I guess with two I have a collection. > > Frank > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.o rg/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 24 11:15:08 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:15:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ketchup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071024195529.00b81ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >From: John Culp >Subject: [SEL] Ketchup > >On Oct 23, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Younger wrote: > > >Catsup looks like a contraction of cat soup, >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA Hi John, Believe me, some of the cheaper varieties actually look like "cat's up" (cat's vomit). Wikipedia explanation here: Does it actually matter what it's called. It's (most commonly) a condiment sauce based on tomato's and we put it on "hot dogs" and stuff. It also cleans copper and brass, which is where we all started on this :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 24 12:38:26 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:38:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. References: <20071024175249.2E94E5849B@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <002901c81675$7678ebc0$f04d0b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:46 PM Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. > Nice toys, Frank. > Is that a tensioning pulley I see? > If it is I would just make up a belt. > I have a piece of conveyor belt that I cut to make custom belts then > I also have several different belt lacer machines. > For that maybe an automotive serpentine belt,,,,, If you can't find > one the right size then cut a longer one and lace it. > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > Thanks, Yes it has a spring loaded tension pulley. Belt length is > not critical. It also has a crown on the big pulley and flanges on > the small one. Odd. > Thanks for the ideas > Frank It takes me back 25 years when I was starting my vintage collection. In a second hand shop there was an old Dentists drill which had been foot treadle operated & later converted with a small old electric motor. The drill arm was about 6 pieces of twin strip hinged on to each other & the drive to the drill was 6 fine belts connected with 2 small pulleys at each joint. I wasn't selling & I was very tempted to buy it for ?2 & show it engine powered at a show. I didn't buy it but regretted it later as it would have amused the spectators.. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Oct 24 13:18:56 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:18:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. References: <20071024163506.7F7E15807D@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <004901c8167b$20884890$0302a8c0@Ed> I got a 1 inch belt for my lathe form a vender at an engine show. It might have been Lee Pederson. I would think that someone into small steam engines would find that an nice source of compressed air. I also picked up a Speed Lathe from a guy that refurbished dental drill set ups when they were cable driven. He might be a source of information. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. >I found this on Ebay and it arrived today. > http://lbpinc.com/compressor2.jpg > It appears to be a very early Pelton & Crane Co. dental > compressor. Any experts out there? It should clean up well and will > add some more fun to my trailer with the generator on it. I think I > will find a way to run it slow because it makes a great noise. I > show it with a drill motor to give an idea of size. > Does any one have any ideas on where I can get a belt? > > http://lbpinc.com/newone.JPG > About a week after winning that one I got this one. I haven't got > this one home yet. It is complete and therefor a bit heavy to > ship. I guess with two I have a collection. > > Frank > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Wed Oct 24 15:10:46 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:10:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ketchup In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071024195529.00b81ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071024195529.00b81ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <471FC2E6.90000@telenet.net> The strange thing is that tomato based ketchup is not the original recipe. The original was simply a fish based sauce similar to Worcester sauce. Looking back to the eighteenth century, ketchup started out as a sauce made of anchovies, walnuts, mushrooms and kidney beans. One popular theory is that the word ketchup is derived from the koechiap or ke-tsiap which is from the Amoy dialect of China. Roughly translated means the brine of pickled fish or shellfish. I think the reason for the different names is likely trademarks and such. My niece loves the stuff. She will put it on everything she eats if given the chance. She went ape when she discovered the new Herr's ketchup flavored chips. http://www.herrsstore.com/ke55ozba.html Jerry Evans wrote: >> From: John Culp >> Subject: [SEL] Ketchup >> >> On Oct 23, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Younger wrote: >> >> >> Catsup looks like a contraction of cat soup, >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > Hi John, > Believe me, some of the cheaper varieties actually look like > "cat's up" (cat's vomit). > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Oct 24 15:32:41 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:32:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ketchup In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071024195529.00b81ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071024195529.00b81ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Wiki got it wrong about "Tomato Sauce" being a synonym for ketchup. Very different stuff, and it just won't substitute. I am reminded that in my earliest days in far south Alabama on the Mississippi border, we called it "catchup." On Oct 24, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Wikipedia explanation here: > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Wed Oct 24 22:04:15 2007 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:04:15 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: petter a1 parts Message-ID: <002d01c816c4$7de8d0b0$f301a8c0@armstrong> Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin armstrong To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: petter a1 parts I am in need of a std crankpin bearing for a Petter A1/AP1, can any one avise of supplier regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From pitty10 at aapt.net.au Wed Oct 24 23:51:37 2007 From: pitty10 at aapt.net.au (Bradley Pitt) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:51:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Registry Message-ID: <001001c816d3$81dc0610$5fde653b@brad> Come on Russ if they let you join surely there wasn't going to be any problems with me doing it.Thanks for the welcome From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Oct 25 00:11:08 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:11:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Registry References: <001001c816d3$81dc0610$5fde653b@brad> Message-ID: <041201c816d6$3950ace0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> OK, welcome to the dislexic engine restorers. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradley Pitt" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: [SEL] Registry > Come on Russ if they let you join surely there wasn't going to be any > problems with me doing it.Thanks for the welcome > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 25 00:36:44 2007 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:36:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi All, hoping some of you sydney chaps can help me out, i am trying to get in touch with a justin turner re an engine, does anyone know him?????/,cheers Dave _________________________________________________________________ Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_Future&_m=EXT From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 24 22:14:31 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:14:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Happy 90th Birthday Message-ID: <20071025051433.JMNC28452.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> During this month 90 years ago my 3.5hp Austral was tested and shipped from the Ronaldson-Tippett factory in Ballarat. 90 years old and still going strong :) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cc07/cc907081.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 25 04:34:25 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:34:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Happy 90th Birthday In-Reply-To: <20071025051433.JMNC28452.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071025051433.JMNC28452.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <47207F41.4050409@scrtc.com> Patrick, I love the photo of it sitting in front of the building with "Ronaldson" painted on the wall. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >During this month 90 years ago my 3.5hp Austral was tested and shipped from >the Ronaldson-Tippett factory in Ballarat. >90 years old and still going strong :) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cc07/cc907081.JPG > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Oct 25 04:48:38 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:48:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Happy 90th Birthday References: <20071025051433.JMNC28452.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <006a01c816fd$51f9ee10$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Happy birthday, are you having a party for it Patrick. Cheers Mate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Happy 90th Birthday > During this month 90 years ago my 3.5hp Austral was tested and shipped > from > the Ronaldson-Tippett factory in Ballarat. > 90 years old and still going strong :) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cc07/cc907081.JPG > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 25 04:55:37 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:55:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! Message-ID: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. Paul http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 04:57:05 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:57:05 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <969512.18675.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Any Aussie going to Lake Goldsmith weekend 2-3-4th Nov. Cam, Fred & Myself will be there after lunch Fri and plan to leave Sunday Lunch time Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Oct 25 06:00:30 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:00:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <007c01c81707$060af350$8335c53e@doc> It's a private listing - all bidder's identities are kept secret. Personally, I wouldn't buy from a private listing. Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Paul Maples > Sent: 25 October 2007 12:56 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the > bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is > going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 > some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that > there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. > > Paul > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177 > 772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 06:08:49 2007 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <865108.66387.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure looks wackie to me too. Unless, Lets say someone bid 20.00$ for a 2.00$ item and increases of 1.00$. Would the bid list indicate increasing bids of a dollar atr a time or would it show the max required to out bid the next hightest. I don't know just how that works. Ron Paul Maples wrote: Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. Paul http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Oct 25 06:30:28 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:30:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <007c01c81707$060af350$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <007801c8170b$36e84550$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Apparently this is a "new EBay thing" that a seller has no control over. One of my recent listings came up that way (don't recall which one) & I sure didn't set it up that way. Not something EBay should be able to control imho!!!!!!!!!! Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- It's a private listing - all bidder's identities are kept secret. Personally, I wouldn't buy from a private listing. Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Paul Maples > Sent: 25 October 2007 12:56 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the > bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is > going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 > some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that > there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. > > Paul > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 06:56:02 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <8301.59923.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul, ONLY YOU see your wheelterrapin ID on that list. To me all bidders are hidden. If you sign out on EBay you will see what I see. Then sign in and you would again see only your name. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Paul Maples wrote: Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. Paul http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From JR504 at aol.com Thu Oct 25 07:04:08 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:04:08 EDT Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! Message-ID: I'll tell you what I see. Notice the time stamps on the bids. It looks like there were a couple of different bidding wars, but what are the chances of that? Not likely so early in the auction. I bet that he has a couple of buddies driving the price up, or several ebay accounts himself. Leave it alone for now and then bid if he relists it. If it comes up for a second chance offer then you know his buddies were bidding the price up, and you know that Ebayer is fraudulent. Also notice that he has no feedback rating. My advice? RUN! Joe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Oct 25 07:22:23 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:22:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <007801c8170b$36e84550$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <007c01c81707$060af350$8335c53e@doc> <007801c8170b$36e84550$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071025100924.02f64330@pop3.wcoil.com> Private listings are controlled by the seller. Its an option that can be selected. You will see your bidder ID as you are a bidder but you will not see the others. For example with things like sexually explicit or high dollar items many times its prefered by the buyer to remain anonymous for obvious reasons. That said, That many bids on a set of machinist CDs????? The numbers of the bids make me wonder. They are probably fishing to uncover the high bidder by a dollar to poke the bid up as high as they can. Once they uncover your high bid by one dollar the hopes is you will bid again. This used to be very common and still happens some but Ebay usually catches it, especially if someone reports suspicious bidder activity. TTYL, Mark At 09:30 AM 10/25/07, you wrote: >Apparently this is a "new EBay thing" that a seller has no control over. >One of my recent listings came up that way (don't recall which one) & I >sure didn't set it up that way. Not something EBay should be able to >control imho!!!!!!!!!! > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- > >It's a private listing - all bidder's identities are kept secret. >Personally, I wouldn't buy from a private listing. > > > Pete >-- >Peter Scales > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Paul Maples > > Sent: 25 October 2007 12:56 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > > > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the > > bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is > > going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 > > some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that > > there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. > > > > Paul > > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 07:38:59 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20071025100924.02f64330@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <591951.45993.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Newbe bidders sometimes bid like that too. They just don't know any better. Mark Shulaw wrote: Private listings are controlled by the seller. Its an option that can be selected. You will see your bidder ID as you are a bidder but you will not see the others. For example with things like sexually explicit or high dollar items many times its prefered by the buyer to remain anonymous for obvious reasons. That said, That many bids on a set of machinist CDs????? The numbers of the bids make me wonder. They are probably fishing to uncover the high bidder by a dollar to poke the bid up as high as they can. Once they uncover your high bid by one dollar the hopes is you will bid again. This used to be very common and still happens some but Ebay usually catches it, especially if someone reports suspicious bidder activity. TTYL, Mark At 09:30 AM 10/25/07, you wrote: >Apparently this is a "new EBay thing" that a seller has no control over. >One of my recent listings came up that way (don't recall which one) & I >sure didn't set it up that way. Not something EBay should be able to >control imho!!!!!!!!!! > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- > >It's a private listing - all bidder's identities are kept secret. >Personally, I wouldn't buy from a private listing. > > > Pete >-- >Peter Scales > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Paul Maples > > Sent: 25 October 2007 12:56 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > > > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the > > bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is > > going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 > > some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that > > there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. > > > > Paul > > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Thu Oct 25 07:41:48 2007 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:41:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith References: <969512.18675.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004c01c81715$2cd667e0$d4ad57ca@n> G'day Kerry Yeah i will be there all day saturday. are ya gunna bring the Reid down!? cheers mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith > Any Aussie going to Lake Goldsmith weekend 2-3-4th > Nov. Cam, Fred & Myself > will be there after lunch Fri and plan to leave Sunday > Lunch time > > Kerry Morris > > Lithgow NSW > Oz > > > > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Oct 25 07:55:19 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:55:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <591951.45993.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20071025100924.02f64330@pop3.wcoil.com> <591951.45993.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071025105309.02f6b1b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Right, If they do not understand the proxy bid system. Mark At 10:38 AM 10/25/07, you wrote: >Newbe bidders sometimes bid like that too. >They just don't know any better. > >Mark Shulaw wrote: Private listings are controlled by >the seller. Its an option that can be >selected. You will see your bidder ID as you are a bidder but you will not >see the others. >For example with things like sexually explicit or high dollar items many >times its prefered by the buyer to remain anonymous for obvious reasons. >That said, >That many bids on a set of machinist CDs????? The numbers of the bids >make me wonder. They are probably fishing to uncover the high bidder by a >dollar to poke the bid up as high as they can. Once they uncover your high >bid by one dollar the hopes is you will bid again. This used to be very >common and still happens some but Ebay usually catches it, especially if >someone reports suspicious bidder activity. TTYL, Mark > > >At 09:30 AM 10/25/07, you wrote: > >Apparently this is a "new EBay thing" that a seller has no control over. > >One of my recent listings came up that way (don't recall which one) & I > >sure didn't set it up that way. Not something EBay should be able to > >control imho!!!!!!!!!! > > > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >It's a private listing - all bidder's identities are kept secret. > >Personally, I wouldn't buy from a private listing. > > > > > > Pete > >-- > >Peter Scales > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > > Paul Maples > > > Sent: 25 October 2007 12:56 > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > > > > > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the > > > bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is > > > going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 > > > some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that > > > there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. > > > > > > Paul > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From enginepaul at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 08:16:59 2007 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:16:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20071025105309.02f6b1b0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20071025100924.02f64330@pop3.wcoil.com> <591951.45993.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20071025105309.02f6b1b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0710250816m24cedde9l15a7b741c94e1660@mail.gmail.com> I understand that you have to start sometime, but this seller "since Aug-24-07" would make me a little nervous. I have had poor experiences with new sellers so I avoid them. If you add in the suspicious bidding then you may want to just pass - unless you like gambling. As far as hidden identities, I have been contacted after an auction with offers of the same item - but not for a while. Just a guy who used to like real auctions From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Oct 25 09:54:15 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Registry In-Reply-To: <041201c816d6$3950ace0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <001001c816d3$81dc0610$5fde653b@brad> <041201c816d6$3950ace0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <1238.165.206.180.53.1193331255.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Wow - doctors, judges, pommies, old college professors and now a famous actor.... Cool! Bill (I meant retired college professors...) Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1982 Eagle SX/4 1980 Eagle wagon http://theamcpages.com http://theamcforum.com Just kidding.......... > OK, welcome to the dislexic engine restorers. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bradley Pitt" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:51 PM > Subject: [SEL] Registry > > >> Come on Russ if they let you join surely there wasn't going to be any >> problems with me doing it.Thanks for the welcome >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 25 10:40:22 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:40:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! References: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> <007c01c81707$060af350$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <001601c8172e$1f0e6270$240110ac@FAMILY> Mine wasn't Peter, that is why I thought it was suspicious. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > It's a private listing - all bidder's identities are kept secret. > Personally, I wouldn't buy from a private listing. > > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> Paul Maples >> Sent: 25 October 2007 12:56 >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! >> >> Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the >> bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is >> going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 >> some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that >> there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. >> >> Paul >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177 >> 772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 25 10:42:08 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:42:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! References: <8301.59923.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c8172e$5e62d910$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Alan, that makes sense. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > Paul, > ONLY YOU see your wheelterrapin ID on that list. > To me all bidders are hidden. > If you sign out on EBay you will see what I see. Then sign in and you > would again see only your name. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 25 10:43:14 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:43:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! References: Message-ID: <003101c8172e$866a0a50$240110ac@FAMILY> Joe I am with you, I think he has someone driving up the bids so I will steer clear of this. Thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > I'll tell you what I see. Notice the time stamps on the bids. It looks > like there were a couple of different bidding wars, but what are the > chances of > that? Not likely so early in the auction. I bet that he has a couple of > buddies driving the price up, or several ebay accounts himself. Leave it > alone > for now and then bid if he relists it. If it comes up for a second > chance > offer then you know his buddies were bidding the price up, and you know > that > Ebayer is fraudulent. > Also notice that he has no feedback rating. My advice? RUN! > Joe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 25 13:55:44 2007 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:55:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <969512.18675.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <969512.18675.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: G'day kerry, i will be there most of the weekend at this stage, keep an eye out for a 2.5hp sandwich in the open compounds,cheers Dave> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:57:05 +1000> From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith> > Any Aussie going to Lake Goldsmith weekend 2-3-4th> Nov. Cam, Fred & Myself > will be there after lunch Fri and plan to leave Sunday> Lunch time> > Kerry Morris> > Lithgow NSW> Oz > > > > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage.> http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Oct 25 14:26:24 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:26:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! References: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000701c8174d$b1f7b220$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Paul If you have any suspicions go through the Ebay disputes centre, I have always had good results no matter what the problem. Peter, Oz > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the bidders list > and tell me if you think something suspicious is going on. My bids > (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 some odd bids are not. It is > hard for me to believe that there are several "Private" bidders on these > CD's but maybe there are. > > Paul > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 25 16:37:29 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:37:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! References: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> <000701c8174d$b1f7b220$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <004001c81760$024cdc70$240110ac@FAMILY> Peter I just backed off from this item. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > Hi Paul > If you have any suspicions go through the Ebay disputes centre, I have > always had good results no matter what the problem. > > Peter, Oz > > > >> From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Thu Oct 25 17:06:19 2007 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:06:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <969512.18675.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <969512.18675.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Kerry, Have spoken to Cam and hope to see you guys there.RegardsLyndsay > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:57:05 +1000> From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith> > Any Aussie going to Lake Goldsmith weekend 2-3-4th> Nov. Cam, Fred & Myself > will be there after lunch Fri and plan to leave Sunday> Lunch time> > Kerry Morris> > Lithgow NSW> Oz > > > > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage.> http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_Future&_m=EXT From antiquejd at fwi.com Thu Oct 25 21:40:51 2007 From: antiquejd at fwi.com (Michael Ostrander) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:40:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <004001c81760$024cdc70$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Have been watching this thread and not piping up (til now). Perhaps I am naive but if the item is something you want and its priced within what an individual considers a good value, what difference does it make how it gets there. If its overpriced and all the bidders are known entities, its still overpriced, and you walk away. I have on occasion bid 6-8 times early to feel out another bidders increments so the last 5 minutes I have a better chance of getting it. I have several friends who buy under 3 or 4 different names because of how well known they are and some legitimate bidders will run them up if its in my friends "target collection". And finally, some people are just plain crazy. A few weeks ago, 2 valves sold for more money than the bidder would have paid directly from John Deere. Go figure! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! Peter I just backed off from this item. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > Hi Paul > If you have any suspicions go through the Ebay disputes centre, I have > always had good results no matter what the problem. > > Peter, Oz > > > >> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 10/24/2007 2:31 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 10/24/2007 2:31 PM From farmall36 at vci.net Fri Oct 26 02:07:23 2007 From: farmall36 at vci.net (farmall36 at vci.net) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:07:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Scam!! References: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <006001c817af$a8494970$6401a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Scammers, if not who cares how much or how many times anyone bids ? Unless theyre selling something nasty and they are afraid that noone would bid for fear of being busted out, slimeballs. I dont bid or sell unless its open to whoever wants to check on other bidders. That keeps the shill bidding to a minimum, and if im bidding and see a bunch of bids running the item up that either dont have no feedback at all or 1-2 I try to stick them with it. Then comes the second chance offer for my last bid, and I always just delete the offer. wheelturtle I think you done right by letting it go. Kevin Mosier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the bidders list > and tell me if you think something suspicious is going on. My bids > (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 some odd bids are not. It is > hard for me to believe that there are several "Private" bidders on these > CD's but maybe there are. > > Paul > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Oct 26 04:41:40 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3025.165.206.180.53.1193398900.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I have to laugh about all the ebay antics and goings-on. Bottom line. If the item is something you want, or need, then you'd probably buy it for xx dollars from a store, another person, an online trading post or want-ad, whatever, and you'd pay that xx dollars. Perhaps more.... So you figure out what it's really worth to you, figure the maximum amount you want to bid or believe it's worth, figure in shipping, and you make that bid and sit back. If you get it for your price, great! What the heck is the point of this back and forth bidding by a buck or two on a $30 item. Bid your $30 and be done with it. If it goes for more, then you either need to re-evaluate, or be thankful that you didn't overpay! It's an auction - a way to buy, but people seem to treat it like a football game or competitive sport! Make your best bid, the MOST you are willing to pay for an item, and go enjoy your coffee. Why keep upping it $5 bucks at a time? The winner of any auction is the one who is willing to pay the most. If you win it, but paid much more than it's worth, what have you won but bragging rights? And that's all in your head, the other person may not give a rip. The other person may be sitting back thinking "sucker!" Some time ago, I bought a mirror on ebait, one that's really rare and hard to find. I've seen asking prices of $40 to $60, and I wanted it really bad, so bid $70. I got it for a 20 dollar bill. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1982 Eagle SX/4 1980 Eagle wagon http://theamcpages.com http://theamcforum.com > Have been watching this thread and not piping up (til now). Perhaps I am > naive but if the item is something you want and its priced within what an > individual considers a good value, what difference does it make how it > gets > there. If its overpriced and all the bidders are known entities, its > still > overpriced, and you walk away. I have on occasion bid 6-8 times early to > feel out another bidders increments so the last 5 minutes I have a better > chance of getting it. I have several friends who buy under 3 or 4 > different > names because of how well known they are and some legitimate bidders will > run them up if its in my friends "target collection". And finally, some > people are just plain crazy. A few weeks ago, 2 valves sold for more > money > than the bidder would have paid directly from John Deere. Go figure! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > > > Peter I just backed off from this item. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > >> Hi Paul >> If you have any suspicions go through the Ebay disputes centre, I have >> always had good results no matter what the problem. >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: > 10/24/2007 > 2:31 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: > 10/24/2007 > 2:31 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Oct 26 04:59:27 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:59:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <3025.165.206.180.53.1193398900.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <3025.165.206.180.53.1193398900.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <4721D69F.7000009@scrtc.com> Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I have to laugh about all the ebay antics and goings-on. > >Bottom line. If the item is something you want, or need, then you'd >probably buy it for xx dollars from a store, another person, an online >trading post or want-ad, whatever, and you'd pay that xx dollars. Perhaps >more.... >So you figure out what it's really worth to you, figure the maximum amount >you want to bid or believe it's worth, figure in shipping, and you make >that bid and sit back. >If you get it for your price, great! >What the heck is the point of this back and forth bidding by a buck or two >on a $30 item. Bid your $30 and be done with it. >If it goes for more, then you either need to re-evaluate, or be thankful >that you didn't overpay! > >It's an auction - a way to buy, but people seem to treat it like a >football game or competitive sport! > >Make your best bid, the MOST you are willing to pay for an item, and go >enjoy your coffee. Why keep upping it $5 bucks at a time? The winner of >any auction is the one who is willing to pay the most. If you win it, but >paid much more than it's worth, what have you won but bragging rights? And >that's all in your head, the other person may not give a rip. The other >person may be sitting back thinking "sucker!" > >Some time ago, I bought a mirror on ebait, one that's really rare and hard >to find. I've seen asking prices of $40 to $60, and I wanted it really >bad, so bid $70. >I got it for a 20 dollar bill. > > >Bill >Runnells, Iowa >Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History >http://antique-engines.com >1970 Javelin >1982 Eagle SX/4 >1980 Eagle wagon >http://theamcpages.com >http://theamcforum.com > > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Oct 26 06:24:02 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:24:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <4721D69F.7000009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000001c817d3$811f2760$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> I agree with you Tommy. Imho early bidding just drives up the price. I just bid my maximum thru ezsniper; bid goes in within the last few seconds automatically & it costs very little. Also, if you refer new folks to it you can get "free sniping credits." Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 26 06:58:38 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <000001c817d3$811f2760$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <91919.13105.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Lew, I have used this free service for several years. I get three free snipes 10 - 20 seconds before the auction closes each week. Yes,,, They offer a paid service that will snipe in the last couple seconds. If I want something that bad I will be right there with this blazing fast cable modem and snipe it myself. http://auctionsnipe.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Lew Best wrote: I agree with you Tommy. Imho early bidding just drives up the price. I just bid my maximum thru ezsniper; bid goes in within the last few seconds automatically & it costs very little. Also, if you refer new folks to it you can get "free sniping credits." Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Oct 26 07:15:06 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:15:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <91919.13105.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c817da$a0595ea0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Interesting; thanks! I'll check it out. I used to just "snipe it myself" but often forget to get on right near the end. Just too much going on now I guess. I have wireless broadband (cable not available out here in the country :( ) but it goes down unexpectedly sometimes. Lew -----Original Message----- Hey Lew, I have used this free service for several years. I get three free snipes 10 - 20 seconds before the auction closes each week. Yes,,, They offer a paid service that will snipe in the last couple seconds. If I want something that bad I will be right there with this blazing fast cable modem and snipe it myself. http://auctionsnipe.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Lew Best wrote: I agree with you Tommy. Imho early bidding just drives up the price. I just bid my maximum thru ezsniper; bid goes in within the last few seconds automatically & it costs very little. Also, if you refer new folks to it you can get "free sniping credits." Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Oct 26 09:05:08 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:05:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hickory Corners Show Pictures Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Here are this years pictures from June 23 of the Kalamazoo Valley Antique Engine & Machinery Club located in Hickory Corners Michigan. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo07/kalamazoo2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!? Play Star Shuffle:? the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 26 09:48:25 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:48:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hickory Corners Show Pictures References: Message-ID: <001e01c817f0$12c1cda0$f04d0b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Hickory Corners Show Pictures Hi Everyone, Here are this years pictures from June 23 of the Kalamazoo Valley Antique Engine & Machinery Club located in Hickory Corners Michigan. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo07/kalamazoo2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA _________________________________________________________________ Hi Luke, That got into a bit of a tangle.Try http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo07/kalamazoo2007.html Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From ottawa at pa.net Fri Oct 26 10:16:55 2007 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:16:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! References: <001301c817da$a0595ea0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <048e01c817f4$0288adb0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Different item! Take a look at this items final price! Bids weren't private! Would any of you paid this much? Unless I don't understand the bidding system, after looking at the bid history I would say these were individual bids! http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230180003402 Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Lew Best To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! Interesting; thanks! I'll check it out. I used to just "snipe it myself" but often forget to get on right near the end. Just too much going on now I guess. I have wireless broadband (cable not available out here in the country :( ) but it goes down unexpectedly sometimes. Lew -----Original Message----- Hey Lew, I have used this free service for several years. I get three free snipes 10 - 20 seconds before the auction closes each week. Yes,,, They offer a paid service that will snipe in the last couple seconds. If I want something that bad I will be right there with this blazing fast cable modem and snipe it myself. http://auctionsnipe.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Lew Best wrote: I agree with you Tommy. Imho early bidding just drives up the price. I just bid my maximum thru ezsniper; bid goes in within the last few seconds automatically & it costs very little. Also, if you refer new folks to it you can get "free sniping credits." Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 26 11:06:16 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <048e01c817f4$0288adb0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <494576.60322.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Helen. That sure is a weird one. Notice the very first little bid was by the same guy that won it. Have you clicked on his little (11) feedback? You would like the comment from the seller of the top item listed. Then go look at what he paid for that item. US $1,199.99 and here is a direct link to that item. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300136274965 He knows how to spend money. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan George/Helen Myers wrote: Different item! Take a look at this items final price! Bids weren't private! Would any of you paid this much? Unless I don't understand the bidding system, after looking at the bid history I would say these were individual bids! http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230180003402 Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Lew Best To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! Interesting; thanks! I'll check it out. I used to just "snipe it myself" but often forget to get on right near the end. Just too much going on now I guess. I have wireless broadband (cable not available out here in the country :( ) but it goes down unexpectedly sometimes. Lew -----Original Message----- Hey Lew, I have used this free service for several years. I get three free snipes 10 - 20 seconds before the auction closes each week. Yes,,, They offer a paid service that will snipe in the last couple seconds. If I want something that bad I will be right there with this blazing fast cable modem and snipe it myself. http://auctionsnipe.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Lew Best wrote: I agree with you Tommy. Imho early bidding just drives up the price. I just bid my maximum thru ezsniper; bid goes in within the last few seconds automatically & it costs very little. Also, if you refer new folks to it you can get "free sniping credits." Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Oct 26 11:39:08 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:39:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hickory Corners Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <001e01c817f0$12c1cda0$f04d0b52@intrepid> References: <001e01c817f0$12c1cda0$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Don't know how that got messed up.......... Thanks for straightening it out.Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA=================== > From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> > Hi Luke, That got into a bit of a tangle.Try> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo07/kalamazoo2007.html> _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From ottawa at pa.net Fri Oct 26 11:54:07 2007 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:54:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! References: <494576.60322.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04c801c81801$968e4800$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Alan, based on the condition and appearance that sound like rather fair price. It was a "buy it now" item. I would hate to pay the shipping to Australia. Maybe he was testing the water in the beginning! The point I was making was the price of the gauges. Most of them on ebay have been going for like new price but this is more than double. Maybe he doesn't have a known source for buying a new set. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Bowen To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! Thanks, Helen. That sure is a weird one. Notice the very first little bid was by the same guy that won it. Have you clicked on his little (11) feedback? You would like the comment from the seller of the top item listed. Then go look at what he paid for that item. US $1,199.99 and here is a direct link to that item. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300136274965 He knows how to spend money. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan George/Helen Myers wrote: Different item! Take a look at this items final price! Bids weren't private! Would any of you paid this much? Unless I don't understand the bidding system, after looking at the bid history I would say these were individual bids! http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230180003402 Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Lew Best To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! Interesting; thanks! I'll check it out. I used to just "snipe it myself" but often forget to get on right near the end. Just too much going on now I guess. I have wireless broadband (cable not available out here in the country :( ) but it goes down unexpectedly sometimes. Lew -----Original Message----- Hey Lew, I have used this free service for several years. I get three free snipes 10 - 20 seconds before the auction closes each week. Yes,,, They offer a paid service that will snipe in the last couple seconds. If I want something that bad I will be right there with this blazing fast cable modem and snipe it myself. http://auctionsnipe.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Lew Best wrote: I agree with you Tommy. Imho early bidding just drives up the price. I just bid my maximum thru ezsniper; bid goes in within the last few seconds automatically & it costs very little. Also, if you refer new folks to it you can get "free sniping credits." Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Oct 26 12:42:45 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:42:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <494576.60322.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <494576.60322.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47224335.6010907@scrtc.com> I have one exactly like that. I purchased it at an auction this summer for $150 and I gurantee you mine is in as good a shape mechanically (no wear, etc) as that one. If I could find some sucker to pay $1199 for it, it would have a new home! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Thanks, Helen. >That sure is a weird one. >Notice the very first little bid was by the same guy that won it. >Have you clicked on his little (11) feedback? >You would like the comment from the seller of the top item listed. >Then go look at what he paid for that item. >US $1,199.99 and here is a direct link to that item. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300136274965 >He knows how to spend money. >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > >George/Helen Myers wrote: Different item! >Take a look at this items final price! Bids weren't private! Would any of you paid this much? >Unless I don't understand the bidding system, after looking at the bid history I would say these were individual bids! > >http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230180003402 > >Helen > > From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Oct 26 13:37:38 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:37:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <048e01c817f4$0288adb0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <200710262038.l9QKc3m8091567@mail-gw.fsr.net> I paid $5.00 for mine, new and unused. $102.50? No way! Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George/Helen Myers Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! Different item! Take a look at this items final price! Bids weren't private! Would any of you paid this much? Unless I don't understand the bidding system, after looking at the bid history I would say these were individual bids! http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230180003402 Helen From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 26 15:54:33 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:54:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! References: <494576.60322.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c81823$2d5c6110$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > US $1,199.99 and here is a direct link to that item. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300136274965 > He knows how to spend money. >>>>>>>> That aint so bad for a brand new US made mill . It does take all kinds though . There was a guy a couple years ago building a million dollar knuckle or something that made quite splash on the bike boards . If you went backwards through his feedback and looked at his auctions he paid almost 900 bucks for a 1940-59 HD toolbox 500 bucks for the dash , 500 bucks for the switch and on and on and on and on . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From dscott at kooee.com.au Sat Oct 27 17:10:15 2007 From: dscott at kooee.com.au (des scott) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:10:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test only Message-ID: <000801c818f6$ea919510$0201010a@pc> From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 27 17:14:18 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:14:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. Message-ID: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> Having recently lost my computer & had it replaced I have managed to get most things back working but can anyone suggest sites that list the useful engine sites giving links to what we need? IE particular engine types/countries/hot air or other information? Any help appreciated. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From farmall36 at vci.net Sat Oct 27 17:35:13 2007 From: farmall36 at vci.net (farmall36 at vci.net) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:35:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test only References: <000801c818f6$ea919510$0201010a@pc> Message-ID: <000801c818fa$6db7c5b0$6401a8c0@FAMILYROOM> test ok 19:22 ----- Original Message ----- From: "des scott" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: [SEL] test only > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sat Oct 27 17:53:41 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:53:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. In-Reply-To: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> References: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <03b801c818fc$fc1307f0$8335c53e@doc> Dave There's always http://www.internalfire.com/ and Peter Forbes' pages, http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/, not to mention http://www.oldengine.org/ itself. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Croft > Sent: 28 October 2007 01:14 > To: atis > Cc: Oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. > > Having recently lost my computer & had it replaced I have > managed to get > most things back working but can anyone suggest sites that > list the useful engine > sites giving links to what we need? IE particular engine > types/countries/hot air or > other information? Any help appreciated. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Oct 27 18:51:50 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:51:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. In-Reply-To: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> References: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: www.apple.com On Oct 27, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Dave Croft wrote: > Having recently lost my computer & had it replaced I have managed to > get > most things back working but can anyone suggest sites that list the > useful engine sites giving links to what we need? IE particular > engine types/countries/hot air or other information? Any help > appreciated. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 19:08:56 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. Message-ID: <377485.65384.qm@web35415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Rob Dave asked for engine sites not Mcmaytag motors All the best Kerry www.apple.com Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 28 02:55:16 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:55:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ Message-ID: <000e01c81948$a53cbce0$daba693a@fred> Can anyone help me to move an engine from Murwillumbah NSW. to Victoria please. Brian. (03)97266147 From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 28 03:21:37 2007 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:21:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN Message-ID: Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave _________________________________________________________________ New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 28 03:29:38 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:29:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN References: Message-ID: <000f01c8194d$72574fc0$8db71fd3@Edd> Thanks for the warning Dave. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: "sel list" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN > > Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor > collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here > again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the > tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my > suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was > very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine > to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector > interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross > engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the > same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and > justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an > offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave > _________________________________________________________________ > New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! > http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Oct 28 03:36:39 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:36:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN References: Message-ID: <005b01c8194e$6ebf8d90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Have you advised the fraud squad? He needs catching ASAP. Hey, you might be part of a 'sting' Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: "sel list" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN > > Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor > collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here > again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the > tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my > suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was > very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine > to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector > interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross > engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the > same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and > justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an > offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave > _________________________________________________________________ > New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! > http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sun Oct 28 03:41:21 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:41:21 +1300 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good idea letting people know is there anyone by that name or phone number listed in your area with that number is it worth letting the police know just in case someone could fall victim brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David Nicolson Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:22 PM To: sel list Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave _________________________________________________________________ New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referr al=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Oct 28 03:52:46 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:52:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ In-Reply-To: <000e01c81948$a53cbce0$daba693a@fred> References: <000e01c81948$a53cbce0$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071028215202.01a6b210@ncable.com.au> Brian, send it to me, It's closer and it will be in Victoria! Russell At 08:55 PM 28/10/2007, you wrote: >Can anyone help me to move an engine from Murwillumbah NSW. >to Victoria please. >Brian. >(03)97266147 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 28 04:02:36 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (pml1 at bigpond.net.au) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:02:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN Message-ID: <9671548.1193569356748.JavaMail.root@web08sl> This same low life was at work a year or so ago with the same scam. I hope the police can find a nice cell for him. Patrick ---- David Nicolson wrote: > > Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave From oldengines at bigpond.com Sun Oct 28 04:12:42 2007 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:12:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN References: <005b01c8194e$6ebf8d90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001801c81953$75d39680$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Hi all Dave contacted me on Friday and told me the details i said it was a scam but tell him we would pick up and pay cash he went cold. but thinking about it all weekend i remembered a sth oz guy who got caught before on one in which his evidence proceeded to catch him last time and the new one has also contacted him on tractor bits so i put dave and tony together and they had the same phone no and 2 diferent names . Tony will be in contact with the arresting officer from before this week as last week he was on holidays .if any body else is contacted by the scammer contact dave ore myself and we put you to tony or the po;lice in question Ron & Liz Sullivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN > Have you advised the fraud squad? > He needs catching ASAP. > Hey, you might be part of a 'sting' > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Nicolson" > To: "sel list" > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:21 PM > Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN > > >> >> Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor >> collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here >> again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the >> tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my >> suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was >> very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine >> to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector >> interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross >> engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were >> the >> same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and >> justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an >> offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave >> _________________________________________________________________ >> New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! >> http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Oct 28 06:11:33 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:11:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. In-Reply-To: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <200710281312.l9SDBvfK071993@mail-gw.fsr.net> It has been a long time since this was checked for broken links, but here are some more places to look. http://www.oldengine.org/members/orrin/link_lst.htm Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:14 PM To: atis Cc: Oldengine.org Subject: Computer help required. Having recently lost my computer & had it replaced I have managed to get most things back working but can anyone suggest sites that list the useful engine sites giving links to what we need? IE particular engine types/countries/hot air or other information? Any help appreciated. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Oct 28 13:30:17 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:30:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ References: <000e01c81948$a53cbce0$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <001701c819a1$5ac63f70$0601a8c0@altech> How big Brian, I could come up and get it as far as Grafton and maybe Newcastle at Christmas. Peter > Can anyone help me to move an engine from Murwillumbah NSW. > to Victoria please. > Brian. > (03)97266147 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Oct 28 13:32:21 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:32:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN References: <9671548.1193569356748.JavaMail.root@web08sl> Message-ID: <002501c819a1$a48de1d0$0601a8c0@altech> Do you really think he would do time !!! you get off with rape and murder in this country. Peter, Oz > This same low life was at work a year or so ago with the same scam. I hope > the police can find a nice cell for him. > Patrick > ---- David Nicolson wrote: >> >> Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor >> collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here >> again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the >> tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my >> suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was >> very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine >> to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector >> interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross >> engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were >> the same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn >> and justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an >> offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Oct 28 16:04:50 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (pjp at steamengine.com.au) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:04:50 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19883.203.39.62.50.1193612690.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au> Report the calls and the phone number to TOMM and to the Police. Paul > > Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor > collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here > again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the > tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my > suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was > very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine > to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector > interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross > engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the > same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and > justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an > offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave > _________________________________________________________________ > New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! > http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 28 19:44:49 2007 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:44:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN In-Reply-To: <19883.203.39.62.50.1193612690.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au> References: <19883.203.39.62.50.1193612690.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: already done,cheers Dave> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:04:50 +1100> From: pjp at steamengine.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN> > Report the calls and the phone number to TOMM and to the Police.> > Paul> > >> > Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor> > collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here> > again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the> > tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my> > suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was> > very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine> > to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector> > interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross> > engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the> > same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and> > justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an> > offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave> > _________________________________________________________________> > New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now!> > http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders From curt at imc-group.com Mon Oct 29 05:01:31 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:01:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN In-Reply-To: <001801c81953$75d39680$1c02a8c0@ronliz> References: <005b01c8194e$6ebf8d90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001801c81953$75d39680$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Message-ID: <4725CB9B.3020005@imc-group.com> Ron, An old saying is "you can't con an honest man". Why don't you guys fuck with this guy a little. Next time he calls tell him you'd like to pay him a little more than he's asking to assure you get the engine in case word of this gets around. Then have another buddy call him with some story about how he got the number, and your buddy tell this con man he'd like to buy it for even more money, but please don't tell you about this deal. Then another and another can get in on it, running the price up. Maybe someone is willing to send a check on a bogus checking account. (legal?) When the fellow cashes the check at his bank, he gets hit with charges for taking a bad check. Be creative, it'll be fun! Curt Ron Sullivan wrote: > Hi all > Dave contacted me on Friday and told me the details i said it was a scam but > tell him we would pick up and pay cash he went cold. but thinking about it > all weekend i remembered a sth oz guy who got caught before on one in which > his evidence proceeded to catch him last time and the new one has also > contacted him on tractor bits so i put dave and tony together and they had > the same phone no and 2 diferent names . > Tony will be in contact with the arresting officer from before this week as > last week he was on holidays .if any body else is contacted by the scammer > contact dave ore myself and we put you to tony or the po;lice in question > Ron & Liz Sullivan > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 29 05:14:43 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:14:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Message-ID: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> They build the Toyota Camry's here in KY about 100 miles from me. I was just reading about their new engine design for the Hybrid Camry model and it said this: The first half of the combined 187 horsepower (same output as the 2006 Camry V-6 3.0 liter) unit is a 147 horsepower, 2.4 litre four cylinder Atkinson-cycle engine (a more efficient engine design) Now if they'll just make it a hit and miss, we'll be set! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 29 05:46:16 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:46:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] drip oilers Message-ID: G'day all; Up until now, I've had great luck with these...now I've got two that will shutoff, but cannot adjust for a slow drip. Both needle tips are rounded off, so this was my first clue. Second clue is that the knurled(?) adjuster is bottomed out :-(( What would ya'll recommend for a fix? TIA, RickinMt. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Oct 29 06:43:34 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:43:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] drip oilers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4725E386.8020905@imc-group.com> Rick, You know the answer, you just don't want to admit it.....it's too short. :-) Sounds like you'll be making a couple of needles. Curt Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > Up until now, I've had great luck with these...now I've got two that will > shutoff, but cannot adjust for a slow drip. Both needle tips are rounded > off, so this was my first clue. Second clue is that the knurled(?) adjuster > is bottomed out :-(( > > What would ya'll recommend for a fix? > > > TIA, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 29 06:45:58 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:45:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. References: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <004b01c81a32$09b234e0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> is harold's still up ? From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 29 07:16:25 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:16:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] drip oilers References: <4725E386.8020905@imc-group.com> Message-ID: LMAO Curt...yea, yer probably right. I'll take another look at them and see what I can do..or rather my machinist bud. Thanks much, me ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] drip oilers > Rick, > You know the answer, you just don't want to admit it.....it's too short. > :-) > > Sounds like you'll be making a couple of needles. > Curt > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > G'day all; > > Up until now, I've had great luck with these...now I've got two that > > will > > shutoff, but cannot adjust for a slow drip. Both needle tips are > > rounded > > off, so this was my first clue. Second clue is that the knurled(?) > > adjuster > > is bottomed out :-(( > > > > What would ya'll recommend for a fix? > > > > > > TIA, > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Oct 29 08:09:15 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:09:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] drip oilers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071029100335.02f095a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Rick, Sometimes the main glass gaskets are too thick. Gaskets get replaced with too thick of material. Or real thin gaskets can sometimes cheat you the room you need to make the needles reach more closely without complicated repairs. Or the glass was replaced and it was a bit too tall. Otherwise new or modified.needles are in order. Mark At 07:46 AM 10/29/07, you wrote: >G'day all; > Up until now, I've had great luck with these...now I've got two that will >shutoff, but cannot adjust for a slow drip. Both needle tips are rounded >off, so this was my first clue. Second clue is that the knurled(?) adjuster >is bottomed out :-(( > > What would ya'll recommend for a fix? > >TIA, >RickinMt. Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 29 07:38:59 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:38:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AA89@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> The Ford Escape hybrid has used a 4 cylinder Atkinson cycle engine since the Ford hybrid was introduced. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:15 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology They build the Toyota Camry's here in KY about 100 miles from me. I was just reading about their new engine design for the Hybrid Camry model and it said this: The first half of the combined 187 horsepower (same output as the 2006 Camry V-6 3.0 liter) unit is a 147 horsepower, 2.4 litre four cylinder Atkinson-cycle engine (a more efficient engine design) Now if they'll just make it a hit and miss, we'll be set! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 29 07:40:00 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:40:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this used in any other modern application? For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson Cycle is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't remember. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:15 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology They build the Toyota Camry's here in KY about 100 miles from me. I was just reading about their new engine design for the Hybrid Camry model and it said this: The first half of the combined 187 horsepower (same output as the 2006 Camry V-6 3.0 liter) unit is a 147 horsepower, 2.4 litre four cylinder Atkinson-cycle engine (a more efficient engine design) Now if they'll just make it a hit and miss, we'll be set! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From JR504 at aol.com Mon Oct 29 08:03:35 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:03:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Message-ID: In a message dated 10/29/2007 8:30:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: The first half of the combined 187 horsepower (same output as the 2006 Camry V-6 3.0 liter) unit is a 147 horsepower, 2.4 litre four cylinder Atkinson-cycle engine (a more efficient engine design) All of Toyotas and Fords Hybrids are Atkinson Cycle Engines. They do it with variable valve timing instead of changing the stroke length, but the end result is the same. That's the reason they only run on low octane gas, and have such low compression numbers for a modern engine. I think it's pretty cool. Joe Rappa Mexico,NY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 29 08:22:04 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:22:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive are you to collecting that type? By "type" I mean, vertical, horizontal, sideshaft, hit&miss, throttle governed, air cooled, tank cooled, low tension, hot tube, inverted, oil field, small, large, 2 cycle or 4 cycle, etc. In otherwords what type or style of engine do you collect or prefer. This is NOT what manufacturer you collect. For example, I've pretty much have decided that although I like most types of engines I've been leaning more towards vertical engines lately. Most of the engines I've bought the last few years have been verticals and two engines that I'm interested in buying now are also verticals. So although I haven't switched to only buying verticals it is a something I'm considering. Of course a cam stopper in my price range or some other exotic would toss the verticals only idea out the window! ;-) George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 29 08:09:54 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:09:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] drip oilers Message-ID: <20071029.101431.560.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick, Have you changed gaskets or glass ? I had a similar problem and it was caused by me changing the gaskets. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 29 09:08:07 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:08:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> <001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <47260567.8010209@scrtc.com> Wow, thats a really neat site Bill. I just saw George's post about the Escape Hybrid using the Atkinson. I bet you're right, the first time a mechanic tears into one of these he's probably thinking "what the heck....". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching >their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this >used in any other modern application? > >For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson Cycle >is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't >remember. > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Oct 29 09:15:32 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:15:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> Hey George, good to hear from you. Good topic. I tend toward horizontal engines, mainly out of concern for handling them. I like to go to engine shows and handling vertical engines always concerns me with the high CG. I tend to hit and miss rather than throttlers. However, one little throttler intrigued me at a show this weekend. A WisconnaPep (sp?). The intricate casting shape at the top of the water hopper to hold the tanks was really neat. Thankfully some else bought it and it did not follow me home! I'm out of room at home. I prefer engine other than hopper cooled. The more unusual the cooling method the better. I get more questions about what a screen cooler is (Famous) and what a tray cooler (Alamo) than just about anything else. Hopper cooled engines with site gages are neat. I prefer ignitor engines over spark plug models. Mag vs. battery and coil makes no difference. But a mag is more convenient vs. the battery and coil. I like engines that display flowing petrol. Engines with working parts on the non traditional side are neat too. Engines of 2 cycle design rarely capture collecting interest. I like oilfields for their size, but not enough to plant one in the yard. The more monkey motion the better. Engines with unique governing systems I find more desirable. I find gasoline engines most desirable, then kero engines, with diesels in last place. I appreciate engines most in their as found working clothes. However, more common engines, long missing any original paint, I find painted in exceptional fashion very nice. I admire what the European collectors do with their engines. I tend to collect engines in the 5 to 10HP range, followed by engines under 5 HP, and last under consideration would be engines over 10 HP. Curt Best, George wrote: > Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: > > Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive > are you to collecting that type? > > By "type" I mean, vertical, horizontal, sideshaft, hit&miss, throttle > governed, air cooled, tank cooled, low tension, hot tube, inverted, oil > field, small, large, 2 cycle or 4 cycle, etc. In otherwords what type > or style of engine do you collect or prefer. This is NOT what > manufacturer you collect. > > For example, I've pretty much have decided that although I like most > types of engines I've been leaning more towards vertical engines lately. > Most of the engines I've bought the last few years have been verticals > and two engines that I'm interested in buying now are also verticals. So > although I haven't switched to only buying verticals it is a something > I'm considering. Of course a cam stopper in my price range or some > other exotic would toss the verticals only idea out the window! ;-) > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 29 09:40:56 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:40:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AEAD@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Thanks Curt! You put more into your reply than I had hoped for. I'm pretty much like you in my preferences as well. With the exception that I'm leaning more towards the verticals. 2 cycles of are of no interest to me. Although I prefer low tension ignition over high tension. I find some sparkplug engines interesting especially if they have a flipper mag. I wouldn't want a sparkplug engine if it used a buzz coil, just haven't had good luck with buzz coils and stay away from them if possible. I also prefer the 4hp to 10hp size of engine. I think the larger engines show better as they can run slower than the smaller hp engines. 2000 lbs is the most I can easily move around without it being on a cart, so that's another reason most of mine are aroung the 5hp size. While I've had a few 5000+ lb engines at my place years ago it was during a period of time I was keeping a forklift for a friend. The forklift is gone so the one ton limit is keeping me from looking at the big stuff. Besides the big stuff also takes up more space. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:16 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine Hey George, good to hear from you. Good topic. I tend toward horizontal engines, mainly out of concern for handling them. I like to go to engine shows and handling vertical engines always concerns me with the high CG. I tend to hit and miss rather than throttlers. However, one little throttler intrigued me at a show this weekend. A WisconnaPep (sp?). The intricate casting shape at the top of the water hopper to hold the tanks was really neat. Thankfully some else bought it and it did not follow me home! I'm out of room at home. I prefer engine other than hopper cooled. The more unusual the cooling method the better. I get more questions about what a screen cooler is (Famous) and what a tray cooler (Alamo) than just about anything else. Hopper cooled engines with site gages are neat. I prefer ignitor engines over spark plug models. Mag vs. battery and coil makes no difference. But a mag is more convenient vs. the battery and coil. I like engines that display flowing petrol. Engines with working parts on the non traditional side are neat too. Engines of 2 cycle design rarely capture collecting interest. I like oilfields for their size, but not enough to plant one in the yard. The more monkey motion the better. Engines with unique governing systems I find more desirable. I find gasoline engines most desirable, then kero engines, with diesels in last place. I appreciate engines most in their as found working clothes. However, more common engines, long missing any original paint, I find painted in exceptional fashion very nice. I admire what the European collectors do with their engines. I tend to collect engines in the 5 to 10HP range, followed by engines under 5 HP, and last under consideration would be engines over 10 HP. Curt Best, George wrote: > Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: > > Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive > are you to collecting that type? > > By "type" I mean, vertical, horizontal, sideshaft, hit&miss, throttle > governed, air cooled, tank cooled, low tension, hot tube, inverted, > oil field, small, large, 2 cycle or 4 cycle, etc. In otherwords what > type or style of engine do you collect or prefer. This is NOT what > manufacturer you collect. > > For example, I've pretty much have decided that although I like most > types of engines I've been leaning more towards vertical engines lately. > Most of the engines I've bought the last few years have been verticals > and two engines that I'm interested in buying now are also verticals. > So although I haven't switched to only buying verticals it is a > something I'm considering. Of course a cam stopper in my price range > or some other exotic would toss the verticals only idea out the > window! ;-) > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From bdb at mchsi.com Mon Oct 29 12:19:44 2007 From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:19:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> <47260567.8010209@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000c01c81a60$b6e6a2d0$7fd1ce0c@VALUED20606295> We bought a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid a couple months ago and it definitely is different. The little gas motor in tandem with the electric motor develops an unbelievable amount of power to the wheels. The Atkinson engine alone is a pooch but gets really good mileage. I hope to see one of the Atkinson engines taken apart someday, hopefully not ours. Barry Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Wow, thats a really neat site Bill. I just saw George's post about the Escape Hybrid using the Atkinson. I bet you're right, the first time a mechanic tears into one of these he's probably thinking "what the heck....". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching >their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this >used in any other modern application? > >For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson >Cycle >is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't >remember. > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Oct 29 13:18:23 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:18:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AA89@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <004401c81a69$9c7f3610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Is there a schematic of these later multi cylinder so called 'Atkinson' engines?. I dont think they are true old style Atkinsons. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology > The Ford Escape hybrid has used a 4 cylinder Atkinson cycle engine since > the Ford hybrid was introduced. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge > Tommy Turner > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:15 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology > > They build the Toyota Camry's here in KY about 100 miles from me. I was > just reading about their new engine design for the Hybrid Camry model > and it said this: > > > The first half of the combined 187 horsepower (same output as the 2006 > Camry V-6 3.0 liter) unit is a 147 horsepower, 2.4 litre four cylinder > Atkinson-cycle engine (a more efficient engine design) > > > Now if they'll just make it a hit and miss, we'll be set! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 29 13:27:48 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:27:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <000c01c81a60$b6e6a2d0$7fd1ce0c@VALUED20606295> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local><47260567.8010209@scrtc.com> <000c01c81a60$b6e6a2d0$7fd1ce0c@VALUED20606295> Message-ID: <00ba01c81a6a$2bb18950$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> What is it about the hybrid cars that makes the Atkinson the engine of choice? If it's so good here (by whatever criteria), why don't we see the Atkinson in other applications? B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bdb Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology We bought a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid a couple months ago and it definitely is different. The little gas motor in tandem with the electric motor develops an unbelievable amount of power to the wheels. The Atkinson engine alone is a pooch but gets really good mileage. I hope to see one of the Atkinson engines taken apart someday, hopefully not ours. Barry Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Wow, thats a really neat site Bill. I just saw George's post about the Escape Hybrid using the Atkinson. I bet you're right, the first time a mechanic tears into one of these he's probably thinking "what the heck....". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching >their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this >used in any other modern application? > >For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson >Cycle >is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't >remember. > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 13:44:27 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:44:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160710291344v17401b5eqb276ef0b0df5e008@mail.gmail.com> On 29/10/2007, Best, George wrote: > Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: > > Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive > are you to collecting that type? > Horizontal, side-shaft, diesel preferably. Nice to see it all working and watching the camshaft and lubricator mechanisms. Most of the bigger engines are within that window of preference. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Oct 29 14:05:47 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:05:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local><47260567.8010209@scrtc.com><000c01c81a60$b6e6a2d0$7fd1ce0c@VALUED20606295> <00ba01c81a6a$2bb18950$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <006301c81a6f$7d4f2510$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> There were two types. The 'Differential' had two pistons in one bore. It had problems and was followed by the 4 cycles in one turn of the flywheel. The linkages made each stroke a different lenght. Thus, the intake stroke was half the lenght of the power stroke. This gave the burnt gas time to expand and do its work. THAT was the main point of the design. It is still about the most fuel efficient/power obtained design. Its drawbacks were the linkage system. I cannot see how this can be obtained by valve timing! Hence my asking if there were pictorial details of the later, so called, Atkinson design. Hey, maybe there were two Atkinson persons? The original Atkinson became chief engineer for Crossley after Otto's patent on the 4 cycle expired. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology What is it about the hybrid cars that makes the Atkinson the engine of choice? If it's so good here (by whatever criteria), why don't we see the Atkinson in other applications? B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bdb Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology We bought a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid a couple months ago and it definitely is different. The little gas motor in tandem with the electric motor develops an unbelievable amount of power to the wheels. The Atkinson engine alone is a pooch but gets really good mileage. I hope to see one of the Atkinson engines taken apart someday, hopefully not ours. Barry Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Wow, thats a really neat site Bill. I just saw George's post about the Escape Hybrid using the Atkinson. I bet you're right, the first time a mechanic tears into one of these he's probably thinking "what the heck....". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching >their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this >used in any other modern application? > >For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson >Cycle >is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't >remember. > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 29 14:15:42 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:15:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <004401c81a69$9c7f3610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AA89@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <004401c81a69$9c7f3610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00ce01c81a70$dcbde170$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> This answers several of the questions, including my own... http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1487186 B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Is there a schematic of these later multi cylinder so called 'Atkinson' engines?. I dont think they are true old style Atkinsons. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Oct 29 14:20:29 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:20:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000d01c81a71$88714390$0601a8c0@altech> Hi George I guess I would have to say R&V engines, but I would not say I was obsessed with collecting them. I do run the register but not actively looking for anymore. I am very much interested in their history and researching R&V keeps me very busy. I am with you on the verticals, they take up less space ;-)) Having just recently imported a 2hp R&V vertical from the USA, I think that will be my last one. Well, if I do find an orphan without a home, you know how the story goes ............;-) I do prefer throttled governed engines. Peter, Oz > Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: > > Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive > are you to collecting that type? > > By "type" I mean, vertical, horizontal, sideshaft, hit&miss, throttle > governed, air cooled, tank cooled, low tension, hot tube, inverted, oil > field, small, large, 2 cycle or 4 cycle, etc. In otherwords what type > or style of engine do you collect or prefer. This is NOT what > manufacturer you collect. > > For example, I've pretty much have decided that although I like most > types of engines I've been leaning more towards vertical engines lately. > Most of the engines I've bought the last few years have been verticals > and two engines that I'm interested in buying now are also verticals. So > although I haven't switched to only buying verticals it is a something > I'm considering. Of course a cam stopper in my price range or some > other exotic would toss the verticals only idea out the window! ;-) > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 29 14:27:31 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:27:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <006301c81a6f$7d4f2510$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local><47260567.8010209@scrtc.com><000c01c81a60$b6e6a2d0$7fd1ce0c@VALUED20606295><00ba01c81a6a$2bb18950$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> <006301c81a6f$7d4f2510$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00d801c81a72$83bb1910$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> The term Atkinson apparently has come to refer to a design where the intake/compression and the power/exhaust cycles are of different displacement. It does not refer to the neat arrangement of levers that the original Atkinson demonstrated. And the power stroke per revolution. Big disappointment! Thus holding the intake valve open a little longer and robbing part of the compression stroke produces the same differential in displacement between the intake and the power strokes. B? 507 289 4824 Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology There were two types. The 'Differential' had two pistons in one bore. It had problems and was followed by the 4 cycles in one turn of the flywheel. The linkages made each stroke a different lenght. Thus, the intake stroke was half the lenght of the power stroke. This gave the burnt gas time to expand and do its work. THAT was the main point of the design. It is still about the most fuel efficient/power obtained design. Its drawbacks were the linkage system. I cannot see how this can be obtained by valve timing! Hence my asking if there were pictorial details of the later, so called, Atkinson design. Hey, maybe there were two Atkinson persons? The original Atkinson became chief engineer for Crossley after Otto's patent on the 4 cycle expired. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology What is it about the hybrid cars that makes the Atkinson the engine of choice? If it's so good here (by whatever criteria), why don't we see the Atkinson in other applications? B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bdb Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology We bought a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid a couple months ago and it definitely is different. The little gas motor in tandem with the electric motor develops an unbelievable amount of power to the wheels. The Atkinson engine alone is a pooch but gets really good mileage. I hope to see one of the Atkinson engines taken apart someday, hopefully not ours. Barry Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Wow, thats a really neat site Bill. I just saw George's post about the Escape Hybrid using the Atkinson. I bet you're right, the first time a mechanic tears into one of these he's probably thinking "what the heck....". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching >their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this >used in any other modern application? > >For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson >Cycle >is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't >remember. > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 29 14:45:35 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:45:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <6f6025160710291344v17401b5eqb276ef0b0df5e008@mail.gmail.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160710291344v17401b5eqb276ef0b0df5e008@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4726547F.4080508@scrtc.com> My favorite type engine would be horizontal, tank cooled, full base. Beyond that, it doesn't matter --- sideshaft, flyball governor, ignitor vs. plug.... they're just extras. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 29 14:53:35 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:53:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <00ce01c81a70$dcbde170$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AA89@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <004401c81a69$9c7f3610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <00ce01c81a70$dcbde170$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <4726565F.1070002@scrtc.com> Bill, That explains it. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Bill Brueck wrote: >This answers several of the questions, including my own... > > http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1487186 > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > >Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold >Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:18 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology > >Is there a schematic of these later multi cylinder so called 'Atkinson' >engines?. I dont think they are true old style Atkinsons. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Oct 29 14:47:34 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:47:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AA89@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><004401c81a69$9c7f3610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <00ce01c81a70$dcbde170$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <007901c81a76$30ef9590$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thanks for finding that Bill. I too, got a lot from it. The valve dwell bit is somewhat hard to grasp and I feel it is not as good as the variable stroke but, it does acheive a result. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology This answers several of the questions, including my own... http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1487186 B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Is there a schematic of these later multi cylinder so called 'Atkinson' engines?. I dont think they are true old style Atkinsons. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 29 15:49:18 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:49:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <00ce01c81a70$dcbde170$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AA89@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <004401c81a69$9c7f3610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <00ce01c81a70$dcbde170$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <5e44f72380ef78932974f06f471ab12e@chartertn.net> Wonder if that Miller guy who came up with the variable valve timing Atkinson was associated with the Miller-Offenhauser racing engines? So the Prius's Atkinson engine is a modified version of the Echo engine. My daughter drives an Echo and my wife has a Yaris with the Otto version. Good little engine. (And great little cars!) John On Oct 29, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Bill Brueck wrote: > This answers several of the questions, including my own... > > http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1487186 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Oct 29 16:08:44 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:08:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local><47260567.8010209@scrtc.com><000c01c81a60$b6e6a2d0$7fd1ce0c@VALUED20606295> <00ba01c81a6a$2bb18950$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <009501c81a80$a8171440$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A couple of years back, one of the major makers were working on Solenoid operated valves. That makes sense to me. No camshaft. Just a computer controlling the timing for all needs. I wonder where that Idea went? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology What is it about the hybrid cars that makes the Atkinson the engine of choice? If it's so good here (by whatever criteria), why don't we see the Atkinson in other applications? B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bdb Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology We bought a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid a couple months ago and it definitely is different. The little gas motor in tandem with the electric motor develops an unbelievable amount of power to the wheels. The Atkinson engine alone is a pooch but gets really good mileage. I hope to see one of the Atkinson engines taken apart someday, hopefully not ours. Barry Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Wow, thats a really neat site Bill. I just saw George's post about the Escape Hybrid using the Atkinson. I bet you're right, the first time a mechanic tears into one of these he's probably thinking "what the heck....". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching >their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this >used in any other modern application? > >For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson >Cycle >is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't >remember. > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From JR504 at aol.com Mon Oct 29 17:52:54 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:52:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Message-ID: In a message dated 10/29/2007 7:13:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: A couple of years back, one of the major makers were working on Solenoid operated valves. That makes sense to me. No camshaft. Just a computer controlling the timing for all needs. I wonder where that Idea went? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold Several Diesel manufacturers have electro-hydraulic valve actuation on over-the-road truck engines today. They have been in use for a couple of years now, mostly without incident. I think Cat was the first, but a few of them have it now. Joe Rappa Mexico, NY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Oct 29 17:54:49 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:54:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <4726547F.4080508@scrtc.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160710291344v17401b5eqb276ef0b0df5e008@mail.gmail.com> <4726547F.4080508@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071030114809.01b44c28@ncable.com.au> Horizontal sideshaft engines of 4 to 7hp range. (Although my to favourites are 9hp graham and 3hp hornsby) I have both petrol (magneto start) and oil (lamp start) engines with no real preference for either although I do love the smell of sweet burnin kero in the shed. I am kinda leaning towards the full base engines against portables these days as they do take up a heck of a lot of space. At 08:45 AM 30/10/2007, you wrote: >My favorite type engine would be horizontal, tank cooled, full >base. Beyond that, it doesn't matter --- sideshaft, flyball >governor, ignitor vs. plug.... they're just extras. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Oct 29 18:34:40 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:34:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ References: <000e01c81948$a53cbce0$daba693a@fred> <7.0.1.0.1.20071028215202.01a6b210@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <002901c81a95$0b4241c0$daba693a@fred> Hi Russell, I had it allready to send to you,but after seeing t`days email I don`t think you would like the fumes of a 7Hp.Vertical Blackstone Diesel, might smoke you out, Ilocated a collector near Byron Bay who will p/up the eng.for me and we will then arrange to get it down here,but thanks for the offer, i will do the same for you. Brian David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ > Brian, send it to me, It's closer and it will be in Victoria! > Russell > > > At 08:55 PM 28/10/2007, you wrote: >>Can anyone help me to move an engine from Murwillumbah NSW. >>to Victoria please. >>Brian. >>(03)97266147 >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1095 - Release Date: > 26/10/2007 7:54 PM > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Oct 29 18:40:39 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:40:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ References: <000e01c81948$a53cbce0$daba693a@fred> <001701c819a1$5ac63f70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <003601c81a95$e0c89470$daba693a@fred> Hi Peter, I located a collector near Byron Bay who will p/up. and store the eng. while we make transport arrangements, he may know someone who is coming to Vic. on holidays and could bring it down , if you hear of anyone coming to Vic. and wants some petrol money pass this info. on Regards Brian. David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ > How big Brian, I could come up and get it as far as Grafton and maybe > Newcastle at Christmas. > > Peter > > > >> Can anyone help me to move an engine from Murwillumbah NSW. >> to Victoria please. >> Brian. >> (03)97266147 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: > 28/10/2007 1:58 PM > > From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Oct 29 19:51:13 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:51:13 +0900 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01c81a9f$bbf27350$33d759f0$@net.au> Navistar is working on hydraulically actuated valves. If Ford sticks with them as their diesel engine supplier the F series will have these engines within a few years Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2007 9:53 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In a message dated 10/29/2007 7:13:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: A couple of years back, one of the major makers were working on Solenoid operated valves. That makes sense to me. No camshaft. Just a computer controlling the timing for all needs. I wonder where that Idea went? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold Several Diesel manufacturers have electro-hydraulic valve actuation on over-the-road truck engines today. They have been in use for a couple of years now, mostly without incident. I think Cat was the first, but a few of them have it now. Joe Rappa Mexico, NY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Oct 29 20:54:33 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:54:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003001c81aa8$9601d6f0$daba693a@fred> My son & I started of buying engines by the load we could fit in the Ute & Trailer, we seem to have changed to Kerosene Hot bulb - Sideshaft portables, now we have some on a full base,also have a few american petrol ones and have just bought a Diesel Box Blackstone, we always say we have enough engines but more keep turning up and we say wait till next year or unless it is spectacular. The wives are told the once in the shed and in the dark the breed and more appear! So where this hobby of collecting ends up I really don`t know, if we like the look of an engine we buy. We buy when.he likes it or I like it or we both like it, we don1t have to agree. Favourite engine would be ....any! It really is a disease! David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Oct 30 01:32:06 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:32:06 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <003001c81aa8$9601d6f0$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: David can relate to what you are saying i was given an old ride on no one could get going again was taken to a few mechanics i spent half a day on it and had it running a few minor faults electrical short butterfly problem and governor used it for 2 years before selling it because of that started fixing old reel mowers now have rotary hoes,vibrating roller compactor and various vintage lawn mowers an old shearing plant shearing handpieces etc the list just keeps on growing..Have gotten alot of the old mowers running again saved them from being dumped and put them back into active service and the hobby generates its own income as i repair rotary mowers for people mainly older machines that the shops cant repair as cant get parts i have lots of old machines i have been given and recycle parts or build up good machines.These help me to buy car parts for my old utes that i also collect.The collection just seems to grow over time.I think of it as preserving a piece of history . brentnz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine My son & I started of buying engines by the load we could fit in the Ute & Trailer, we seem to have changed to Kerosene Hot bulb - Sideshaft portables, now we have some on a full base,also have a few american petrol ones and have just bought a Diesel Box Blackstone, we always say we have enough engines but more keep turning up and we say wait till next year or unless it is spectacular. The wives are told the once in the shed and in the dark the breed and more appear! So where this hobby of collecting ends up I really don`t know, if we like the look of an engine we buy. We buy when.he likes it or I like it or we both like it, we don1t have to agree. Favourite engine would be ....any! It really is a disease! David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 30 04:24:05 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:24:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> G'Day George We sure missed the questions, helps to know what we all (those that reply) think about our hobby. My part, has to be horizontal side shaft, usually English, of which I am lucky to have Hornsby, Blackstone, Tangye *2, Crossley, nothing special but nice lookers and runners. Curved flywheels of some English engines also are my favorite, because of the looks. Kero (oil) engines with hot bulb or hot tube and like Russell don't mind the smell of kero vapour filled shed although Ruth goes off when I come in with the smell in my clothes, but then again they are a strange breed. Portables, as I believe that if we have them we should show others specially the kids, and not lock them up in some black hole. Normally, highly painted and as with the English engines above, steel flywheel faces kept somewhat polished as new. Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, Austral, Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original black paint left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off (somewhat) Brock used his shirt to get more off. Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz PS started the Austral for the first time at home today (it did run for a short time at a Sydney rally a month ago) and I am one happy chappy and the people next door had a new sound to listen too 8-)) From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 05:06:45 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <571216.29099.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A few years ago I made a list of requirements an engine must have before I would buy it. 1. Must be hit-n-miss 2. Must have an open crank. 3. Must have it's magneto if it came with one,,, or be practically free. 4. Should not be the same as one I have. There was more to this list, but I threw those requirements out. I like the horizontal hopper cooled engines in the 1 1/2 to 4 HP size. I have one 950 pound TG 6HP FBM Z that I don't take to shows and probably never will. I just don't want to lug around an engine that heavy. I really don't need another engine. I just want to work on what I have now. When an engine leaps at me at a great price I have to grab it though. Like that nice complete all original New Sattley for $175 this Summer. 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan "Best, George" wrote: Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive are you to collecting that type? George __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 30 05:34:52 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:34:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] drip oilers References: <20071029.101431.560.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys...I think the glass is the right length plus the gaskets aren't all that thick. We've ID'd the thread on the needle as a 8-32 so making a new one should be relatively easy. Have a good'un Rick Hi Rick, Have you changed gaskets or glass ? I had a similar problem and it was caused by me changing the gaskets. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Oct 30 06:44:01 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:44:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> Message-ID: <3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> Hi Kerry. Sorry to hear that Brock keeps buggering up your nice restoration job. Next time he shows up at a show, immediately squirt him down with oil, then let him rub up against your engines all he likes. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:24 AM, Kerry wrote: > Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, > Austral, > Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original > black paint > left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off > (somewhat) > Brock used his shirt to get more off. > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 30 07:19:27 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:19:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> <3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> That won't be easy! Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub oil onto his naked body may be a problem.(Hay Brock) EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > Hi Kerry. Sorry to hear that Brock keeps buggering up your nice > restoration job. Next time he shows up at a show, immediately squirt > him down with oil, then let him rub up against your engines all he > likes. > > > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:24 AM, Kerry wrote: >> Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, >> Austral, >> Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original >> black paint >> left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off >> (somewhat) >> Brock used his shirt to get more off. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Tue Oct 30 07:34:32 2007 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:34:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] [S] Re: Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> Message-ID: <004801c81b02$03383940$62ad57ca@n> Well what do i go for ahy? Well i really like unrestored engines for starters, original paint or all rust dosent matter, more original the better, i have even bought restored engines and gone ahead and stripped all the paint off because i like it better in its natural state! and when i look at an engine it has to be mechanically different and has to "do it for me" i have had some really rare stuff go through my hands over the years but they never did it for me, just something about that engine did'nt quite cut it, i even had the remains of an inverted rotary valve crossley, but it just did'nt do it for me! and lots of people said i was mad to let it go but it all comes down to personal preference. i do have a soft spot for stover engines and american engines, but i also have quite a few english and aussie engines as well. most are original and are mechanically different in there own way. Cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > G'Day George > > We sure missed the questions, helps to know what we all (those that > reply) > think about our hobby. > > My part, has to be horizontal side shaft, usually English, of which I am > lucky to have Hornsby, Blackstone, Tangye *2, Crossley, nothing special > but > nice lookers and runners. > Curved flywheels of some English engines also are my favorite, because of > the looks. > Kero (oil) engines with hot bulb or hot tube and like Russell don't mind > the > smell of kero vapour filled shed although Ruth goes off when I come in > with > the smell in my clothes, but then again they are a strange breed. > Portables, as I believe that if we have them we should show others > specially > the kids, and not lock them up in some black hole. > Normally, highly painted and as with the English engines above, steel > flywheel faces kept somewhat polished as new. > > Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, Austral, > Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original black > paint > left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off (somewhat) > Brock used his shirt to get more off. > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > PS started the Austral for the first time at home today (it did run for a > short time at a Sydney rally a month ago) and I am one happy chappy and > the > people next door had a new sound to listen too 8-)) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Tue Oct 30 07:43:51 2007 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:43:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <005501c81b03$4fb3bb90$62ad57ca@n> it will be easy edd, you just have to get that secruity lady in again to rub him down! sure she would'nt mind!! cheers mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > That won't be easy! Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub oil > onto > his naked body may be a problem.(Hay Brock) > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:44 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > > >> Hi Kerry. Sorry to hear that Brock keeps buggering up your nice >> restoration job. Next time he shows up at a show, immediately squirt >> him down with oil, then let him rub up against your engines all he >> likes. >> >> >> Rob Skinner >> La Habra, California >> www.rustyiron.com >> >> >> On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:24 AM, Kerry wrote: >>> Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, >>> Austral, >>> Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original >>> black paint >>> left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off >>> (somewhat) >>> Brock used his shirt to get more off. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Oct 30 08:55:12 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:55:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <571216.29099.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I like just about any kind of internal combustion engine, big or small, that's got lots of mechanical stuff happening -or- runs really slow. External combustion engines have just never lit my fire. Take care - Elden From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 30 07:57:15 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:57:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> <3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <4727464B.8090705@imc-group.com> And naked only if there are female security guards around! He's never living this one down is he! Curt Edd Payne wrote: > Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub oil onto his naked body..... > EDD PAYNE > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 30 08:15:08 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:15:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [S] Re: Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <004801c81b02$03383940$62ad57ca@n> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> <004801c81b02$03383940$62ad57ca@n> Message-ID: <47274A7C.2090201@imc-group.com> Mick, I see you mentioned the Stover engines. Do you ever run across engines badged Stover in Oz? Or were all badged Cooper? Just curious if any ever slipped thru with the Stover name..... I took this photo at Naracorrte but have no clue if recently imported or if this was imported when new. If imported and sold new, was this thru Cooper or someone else? Curt Mick Christie wrote: > Well what do i go for ahy? Well i really like unrestored engines for > starters, original paint or all rust dosent matter, more original the > better, i have even bought restored engines and gone ahead and stripped all > the paint off because i like it better in its natural state! > and when i look at an engine it has to be mechanically different and has to > "do it for me" i have had some really rare stuff go through my hands over > the years but they never did it for me, just something about that engine > did'nt quite cut it, i even had the remains of an inverted rotary valve > crossley, but it just did'nt do it for me! and lots of people said i was mad > to let it go but it all comes down to personal preference. > i do have a soft spot for stover engines and american engines, but i also > have quite a few english and aussie engines as well. most are original and > are mechanically different in there own way. > Cheers > Mick > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 30 09:35:11 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:35:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <003001c81aa8$9601d6f0$daba693a@fred> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> <003001c81aa8$9601d6f0$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: G'day Brian, Just one piece of advice mate. Make sure that your wife knows that when you turn "room temperature" she should contact one of your mates for assistance in selling off your collection. You sure as hell don't want her selling 'em for what she "thinks" you paid for 'em. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Brian Watts wrote: > My son & I started of buying engines by the load we could fit in the Ute & > Trailer, we seem to have changed to Kerosene Hot bulb - Sideshaft > portables, now we have some on a full base,also have a few american petrol > ones and have just bought a Diesel Box Blackstone, we always say we have > enough engines but more keep turning up and we say wait till next year or > unless it is spectacular. > The wives are told the once in the shed and in the dark the breed and more > appear! From George_Best at adp.com Tue Oct 30 08:41:08 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:41:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Different country - different name In-Reply-To: <47274A7C.2090201@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><004801c81b02$03383940$62ad57ca@n> <47274A7C.2090201@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EA941B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I know that Stover engines were sold as Pilter in France and Cooper in Australia. What other examples are there of engines being sold by another name in another country? Notice I said "another country", so don't mention all the rebadged engines sold in the U.S. Also exclude rebadged engines sold in the same country. ;-) George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 30 09:45:22 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:45:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> <3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: DAMN!! These Aussies sure are a kinky lot!! On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > That won't be easy! Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub oil onto > his naked body may be a problem.(Hay Brock) From George_Best at adp.com Tue Oct 30 09:09:51 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:09:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com><001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EA951B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Arnie, The Aussies are just more safety conscious than we are. With their fenced in engines and no clothes. A group of beer guzzling naked Aussies in a fenced enclosure with running engines isn't a sight I'd want imprinted in my memory! But then most of us remember what happened to John Hammink while wearing clothing near a running engine ;-) George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine DAMN!! These Aussies sure are a kinky lot!! On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > That won't be easy! Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub > oil onto his naked body may be a problem.(Hay Brock) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Oct 30 10:01:38 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:01:38 EDT Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Message-ID: In a message dated 10/29/2007 7:53:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, plb at iinet.net.au writes: Navistar is working on hydraulically actuated valves. Hi List, If I remember correctly, hydraulic activated valves were proposed to be use in the Tucker automobile. The each valve was controlled through a hydraulic distributor. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca 93454 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 30 11:15:13 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:15:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EA951B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com><001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EA951B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, In the interests of international cultural brotherhood perhaps the Aussies visiting Portland 2008 would want to put on a demonstration of their approach to running engines safely? We'd need to know how many were going to be involved so that we could set up a suitably sized enclosure. Would they also need sheep or would a supply of grease & oil be sufficient? 8->>> See ya, Arnie On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Best, George wrote: > The Aussies are just more safety conscious than we are. With their > fenced in engines and no clothes. > > A group of beer guzzling naked Aussies in a fenced enclosure with > running engines isn't a sight I'd want imprinted in my memory! From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 30 10:41:59 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:41:59 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com><001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EA951B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <007b01c81b1c$2d6299d0$f04d0b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > Hi George, > In the interests of international cultural brotherhood perhaps the Aussies > visiting Portland 2008 would want to put on a demonstration of their > approach to running engines safely? We'd need to know how many were going > to be involved so that we could set up a suitably sized enclosure. Would > they also need sheep or would a supply of grease & oil be sufficient? > 8^ See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Best, George wrote: >> The Aussies are just more safety conscious than we are. With their >> fenced in engines and no clothes. >> A group of beer guzzling naked Aussies in a fenced enclosure with >> running engines isn't a sight I'd want imprinted in my memory! Hi Arnie,If you go ahead with this you had better put a high security Aussie type fence round to protect the lads from American women! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Oct 30 12:36:10 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:36:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Different country - different name In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EA941B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20071030193615.QAXO15825.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> One of my 1hp R&Vs is badged "CCM" (Canadian Cycle Manufacturers) who sold R&Vs out of Brisbane. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07091705.JPG My 6hp horizontal Stover is badged "Invincible-Stover". Invincible were the Sydney agents before Cooper came on the scene: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/03081023.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- I know that Stover engines were sold as Pilter in France and Cooper in Australia. What other examples are there of engines being sold by another name in another country? Notice I said "another country", so don't mention all the rebadged engines sold in the U.S. Also exclude rebadged engines sold in the same country. ;-) George From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 30 13:40:18 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:40:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] WEBSTER K model mag References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com><001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <002f01c81b35$15a5c060$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> With a frost cracked housing , any carcasses out there ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 30 14:01:26 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:01:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology References: Message-ID: <003e01c81b38$09a3afe0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Bruce Crower has a six cycle he plays with http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060227/FREE/302270007/1023/THISWEEKSISSUE From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Oct 30 14:17:18 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:17:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine Message-ID: In a message dated 10/30/2007 1:43:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: Hi Arnie,If you go ahead with this you had better put a high security Aussie type fence round to protect the lads from American women! Do they have some type noted of reputation? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From glenn.karch at att.net Tue Oct 30 17:40:04 2007 From: glenn.karch at att.net (glenn.karch at att.net) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:40:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New email address Message-ID: <001e01c81b56$98999ac0$4001a8c0@D8LJ7K91> Hi Gang, I just moved up to high speed internet and now have a new email address. It is glenn.karch at att.net Please make that change. Thanks you. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 30 18:00:24 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:00:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New email address References: <001e01c81b56$98999ac0$4001a8c0@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <00cf01c81b59$6c572970$240110ac@FAMILY> Got it Glenn, thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: [SEL] New email address > Hi Gang, > > I just moved up to high speed internet and now have a new email address. > It is glenn.karch at att.net Please make that change. Thanks you. > > From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue Oct 30 18:53:30 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (rupert 2) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:53:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New email address In-Reply-To: <001e01c81b56$98999ac0$4001a8c0@D8LJ7K91> References: <001e01c81b56$98999ac0$4001a8c0@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <4727E01A.3030607@xplornet.com> Hello Glenn, High speed sure is nice isn't it. what did you get? Wireless, cable or satellite? I just upgraded from dial up to satellite myself. It is much easier to enjoy the links that are posted. Even videos download fast enough to watch. For those interested: my new address is rwenig2 at xplornet.com Rupert glenn.karch at att.net wrote: > Hi Gang, > > I just moved up to high speed internet and now have a new email address. It is glenn.karch at att.net Please make that change. Thanks you. > > Glenn Karch > Hercules Historian > Haubstadt, Indiana, USA > _______________________________________________ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 30 19:29:15 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:29:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New email address References: <001e01c81b56$98999ac0$4001a8c0@D8LJ7K91> <4727E01A.3030607@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <010101c81b65$d52f1aa0$240110ac@FAMILY> Got yours to Rupert, I need your last name for my address file. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "rupert 2" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New email address > Hello Glenn, > High speed sure is nice isn't it. what did you get? Wireless, cable > or satellite? I just upgraded from dial up to satellite myself. It is > much easier to enjoy the links that are posted. Even videos download > fast enough to watch. > > For those interested: my new address is rwenig2 at xplornet.com > > Rupert > > glenn.karch at att.net wrote: >> Hi Gang, >> From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Tue Oct 30 19:37:12 2007 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:37:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] [S] Re: [S] Re: Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><004801c81b02$03383940$62ad57ca@n> <47274A7C.2090201@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001401c81b66$f622d070$07ad57ca@n> G'day Curt the engine in the pic was badged as a cooper but the plate had dissaperared over time but it still had the holes in it for the cooper plate, but being that it was origianlly a stover that why it is painted with stover on it.. havent come across and stover over here with a stover badge still attached, they were all changed when they got here. there are a few original condition engines here that still have the "Stovers Good Engine" transfers on the side but they still have the cooper plate attached. cheers mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:15 AM Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] [S] Re: Favorite type of engine > Mick, > I see you mentioned the Stover engines. Do you ever run across engines > badged Stover in Oz? Or were all badged Cooper? Just curious if any ever > slipped thru with the Stover name..... > I took this photo at Naracorrte > > but have no clue if recently imported or if this was imported when new. > If imported and sold new, was this thru Cooper or someone else? > Curt > > Mick Christie wrote: >> Well what do i go for ahy? Well i really like unrestored engines for >> starters, original paint or all rust dosent matter, more original the >> better, i have even bought restored engines and gone ahead and stripped >> all >> the paint off because i like it better in its natural state! >> and when i look at an engine it has to be mechanically different and has >> to >> "do it for me" i have had some really rare stuff go through my hands over >> the years but they never did it for me, just something about that engine >> did'nt quite cut it, i even had the remains of an inverted rotary valve >> crossley, but it just did'nt do it for me! and lots of people said i was >> mad >> to let it go but it all comes down to personal preference. >> i do have a soft spot for stover engines and american engines, but i also >> have quite a few english and aussie engines as well. most are original >> and >> are mechanically different in there own way. >> Cheers >> Mick >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 31 00:11:00 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:11:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <000d01c81a71$88714390$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20071031071104.EAFR24541.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> A good topic George. I quite like early vertical engines although a nice, full base horizontal will get my attention. Mostly pre-1920 stuff for me although I have a few exceptions. I quite like elegance of design, usually with lots of curves: engines such as the Blackstone with the elegant base and curved spokes and my R&Vs which also have a lovely curved base and are nicely proportioned. I am not a fan of diesels or two-stroke engines but I can recognize the appeal that they have to those who love them (they are just not for me). Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: > > Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive > are you to collecting that type? > > By "type" I mean, vertical, horizontal, sideshaft, hit&miss, throttle > governed, air cooled, tank cooled, low tension, hot tube, inverted, oil > field, small, large, 2 cycle or 4 cycle, etc. In otherwords what type > or style of engine do you collect or prefer. This is NOT what > manufacturer you collect. > > For example, I've pretty much have decided that although I like most > types of engines I've been leaning more towards vertical engines lately. > Most of the engines I've bought the last few years have been verticals > and two engines that I'm interested in buying now are also verticals. So > although I haven't switched to only buying verticals it is a something > I'm considering. Of course a cam stopper in my price range or some > other exotic would toss the verticals only idea out the window! ;-) > > George From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Oct 31 02:22:48 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:22:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <001a01c81b9f$a00b3c20$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hey Edd I know where you are coming from. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > That won't be easy! Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub oil > onto > his naked body may be a problem.(Hay Brock) > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:44 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > > >> Hi Kerry. Sorry to hear that Brock keeps buggering up your nice >> restoration job. Next time he shows up at a show, immediately squirt >> him down with oil, then let him rub up against your engines all he >> likes. >> >> >> Rob Skinner >> La Habra, California >> www.rustyiron.com >> >> >> On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:24 AM, Kerry wrote: >>> Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, >>> Austral, >>> Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original >>> black paint >>> left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off >>> (somewhat) >>> Brock used his shirt to get more off. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Oct 31 02:23:19 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:23:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com><001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> <005501c81b03$4fb3bb90$62ad57ca@n> Message-ID: <001b01c81b9f$b03ae960$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Nah, she's the one that don't like the sump oil' what do you reckon Kerry. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Christie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > it will be easy edd, you just have to get that secruity lady in again to > rub > him down! sure she would'nt mind!! > cheers > mick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edd Payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:19 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > > >> That won't be easy! Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub oil >> onto >> his naked body may be a problem.(Hay Brock) >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rob Skinner" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:44 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine >> >> >>> Hi Kerry. Sorry to hear that Brock keeps buggering up your nice >>> restoration job. Next time he shows up at a show, immediately squirt >>> him down with oil, then let him rub up against your engines all he >>> likes. >>> >>> >>> Rob Skinner >>> La Habra, California >>> www.rustyiron.com >>> >>> >>> On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:24 AM, Kerry wrote: >>>> Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, >>>> Austral, >>>> Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original >>>> black paint >>>> left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off >>>> (somewhat) >>>> Brock used his shirt to get more off. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Wed Oct 31 02:31:06 2007 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 05:31:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] Different country - different name Message-ID: George Challenge engines were rebadged as Conqueror engines in Tasmania and sole agent was A G Webster & Sons Ltd, Hobart, Tasmaina. Peter Woodmore. peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name Woadmere From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 31 02:44:03 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:44:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <001b01c81b9f$b03ae960$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com><001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd><005501c81b03$4fb3bb90$62ad57ca@n> <001b01c81b9f$b03ae960$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <7EB7A2A497A346A8BCDFE13670DC158F@KerryPC> The funny thing, for all the years since the sercurity woman found Brock under a shower with only his sockes on at 2.00 am in the morning and before putting into bed, Brock said he may be a father by now. Well this year she showed us her kid - her dog called Socks, even I am not going near that one. Sorry Brock I seen it all on Utube so it must be right 8-)) You did well starting the Austral, even if mum though out your shirt Kerry > Nah, she's the one that don't like the sump oil' what do you reckon Kerry. > Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 31 02:45:33 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:45:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Different country - different name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: then there is the EMU a Hercules Kerry From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 31 05:49:36 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:49:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: Message-ID: <002701c81bbc$7ef66e20$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Rolls Merlins , XR750's , and halfbreeds , From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 31 07:35:38 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:35:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Different country - different name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDAEFE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Thanks Peter. I was sure that some company other than Stover must have sold their engines in another country under another name. I just couldn't think of any. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peterwoodmore at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:31 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Different country - different name George Challenge engines were rebadged as Conqueror engines in Tasmania and sole agent was A G Webster & Sons Ltd, Hobart, Tasmaina. Peter Woodmore. peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name Woadmere _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 31 08:39:05 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:39:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Here's another topic: Have you ever bought an engine that you later wish you'd never bought? In my case I bought a 2hp New Holland engine. It's a nice engine. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=7584525 6&f=0 So.... Where's the remorse? As I posted earlier, I've been leaning more towards vertical engines which the NH obviously is not. This past weekend I saw a vertical R&V engine I would sure like to have and could have bought if I hadn't bought the NH engine. Having limited funds for buying engines can be a problem when there are so many engines out there to buy ;-) Several years ago I picked up a 5hp Galloway for a friend. My friend had made the deal and I went to get the engine and pay the seller. The seller delivered the engine to a show that I was at and I was busy doing stuff when the seller showed up with the engine. I had him transfer it to my pickup bed and paid him for the engine. After the seller left I had time to look at the engine and found that it was basically a piece of crap. There were broken, cracked, repaired, missing, etc. parts all over the engine. There was hardly a piece of the engine that didn't have some problem or repair made to it. I've always regretted getting that engine and wish that I'd told the seller to just keep it as it was in much worse condition than the photos had shown. 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From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 31 09:29:35 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:29:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <001a01c81b9f$a00b3c20$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> <001a01c81b9f$a00b3c20$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <2A4C0D3F-2DA7-44D9-802E-010E77C0AA6C@alltel.net> Hell Cam, Even I won't touch that one! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Oct 31, 2007, at 5:22 AM, Cam grundy wrote: > Hey Edd I know where you are coming from. Cam From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 31 09:42:42 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:42:42 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <001d01c81bdd$104b45b0$f04d0b52@intrepid> Hi George,Your address split. Try http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=75845256&f=0 Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse > > Here's another topic: > > Have you ever bought an engine that you later wish you'd never bought? > > In my case I bought a 2hp New Holland engine. It's a nice engine. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=7584525 > 6&f=0 > > So.... Where's the remorse? > > As I posted earlier, I've been leaning more towards vertical engines > which the NH obviously is not. > > This past weekend I saw a vertical R&V engine I would sure like to have > and could have bought if I hadn't bought the NH engine. Having limited > funds for buying engines can be a problem when there are so many engines > out there to buy ;-) > > Several years ago I picked up a 5hp Galloway for a friend. My friend > had made the deal and I went to get the engine and pay the seller. The > seller delivered the engine to a show that I was at and I was busy doing > stuff when the seller showed up with the engine. I had him transfer it > to my pickup bed and paid him for the engine. > > After the seller left I had time to look at the engine and found that it > was basically a piece of crap. There were broken, cracked, repaired, > missing, etc. parts all over the engine. There was hardly a piece of > the engine that didn't have some problem or repair made to it. > > I've always regretted getting that engine and wish that I'd told the > seller to just keep it as it was in much worse condition than the photos > had shown. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdragoset at galvotec.com Wed Oct 31 12:46:05 2007 From: jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:46:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <003e01c81b38$09a3afe0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Given the rapid advances in electronic controlled electromagnetic propulsion, we should expect to see engines with opposed piston/Neodymium magnet armature pairs and valves as the only moving parts, with strokes, timing and energy extraction controlled by stationary coils -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Balyeat [mailto:kerogas at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:01 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Bruce Crower has a six cycle he plays with http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060227/FREE/302270007/1 023/THISWEEKSISSUE _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 31 12:25:48 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <318215.49477.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 1997, I WANT a flywheel engine. Nothing I can afford for sale at the Buckley Old Engine Show except a 3HP TG FBM ZC 52. It is $300 and sitting there on the right rear corner of a flatbed trailer with it's buddies. There is a huge, old 5HP ?? hit n miss engine in the center and three other engines in the other corners. All engines are bolted down running. The trailer has a nice bounce to it,,,,,, from the huge engine says the seller. Well,,,, We shut down the FBM and stupid me didn't notice the trailer jumping decrease a bunch. 8>(( I bought the engine complete with crank, clutched pulley and fanned condenser unit. BTW,,, The seller also told me it was a five horsepower engine. I should have started the engine right there, but no,,,,, I took it home and let it set until the show in 1998. I took MY ENGINE and a lot of other stuff and that was my first year to display. I started that engine and it was jumping so hard it headed right across my canopy and it went at least 15 feet before I could get it shut down. That working side main bearing was worn out BAD. I bought a good engine at the show that year and then several more engines found me so I traded that FBM off as/is for a good, hot Webster mag on a Hercules bracket. I was sure to tell the man what he was getting too. BTW,,,, I do still have the complete clutched pulley assembly and it is for sale. 8>)) It is a double V-belt pulley. If only I had known the Cushman X was going to be there for me in 1998 I sure never would have bought that FBM lump of crap. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan "Best, George" wrote: Here's another topic: Have you ever bought an engine that you later wish you'd never bought? In my case I bought a 2hp New Holland engine. It's a nice engine. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=7584525 6&f=0 So.... Where's the remorse? As I posted earlier, I've been leaning more towards vertical engines which the NH obviously is not. This past weekend I saw a vertical R&V engine I would sure like to have and could have bought if I hadn't bought the NH engine. Having limited funds for buying engines can be a problem when there are so many engines out there to buy ;-) Several years ago I picked up a 5hp Galloway for a friend. My friend had made the deal and I went to get the engine and pay the seller. The seller delivered the engine to a show that I was at and I was busy doing stuff when the seller showed up with the engine. I had him transfer it to my pickup bed and paid him for the engine. After the seller left I had time to look at the engine and found that it was basically a piece of crap. There were broken, cracked, repaired, missing, etc. parts all over the engine. There was hardly a piece of the engine that didn't have some problem or repair made to it. I've always regretted getting that engine and wish that I'd told the seller to just keep it as it was in much worse condition than the photos had shown. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed Oct 31 13:41:50 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (rupert 2) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:41:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New email address In-Reply-To: <010101c81b65$d52f1aa0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <001e01c81b56$98999ac0$4001a8c0@D8LJ7K91> <4727E01A.3030607@xplornet.com> <010101c81b65$d52f1aa0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <4728E88E.9090708@xplornet.com> Hello Paul, Sorry. I should have included that. My last name is Wenig. My home town is Camrose, Alberta, Canada. Paul Maples wrote: > Got yours to Rupert, I need your last name for my address file. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rupert 2" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New email address > > > >> Hello Glenn, >> High speed sure is nice isn't it. what did you get? Wireless, cable >> or satellite? I just upgraded from dial up to satellite myself. It is >> much easier to enjoy the links that are posted. Even videos download >> fast enough to watch. >> >> For those interested: my new address is rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> >> Rupert >> >> glenn.karch at att.net wrote: >> >>> Hi Gang, >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Oct 31 14:02:07 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:02:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.a d.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071101075648.01b4ba50@ncable.com.au> George I can feel your pain from here! and what is worst is that I can see some time back you were under so much stress you didn't realise the stickney and lorenze were not vertical either !!!!!! oh bother this hobbie does real real weird shit to the brain. Russell At 02:39 AM 1/11/2007, you wrote: > >Here's another topic: > >Have you ever bought an engine that you later wish you'd never bought? > >In my case I bought a 2hp New Holland engine. It's a nice engine. > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=7584525 >6&f=0 > >So.... Where's the remorse? > >As I posted earlier, I've been leaning more towards vertical engines >which the NH obviously is not. > >This past weekend I saw a vertical R&V engine I would sure like to have >and could have bought if I hadn't bought the NH engine. Having limited >funds for buying engines can be a problem when there are so many engines >out there to buy ;-) > >Several years ago I picked up a 5hp Galloway for a friend. My friend >had made the deal and I went to get the engine and pay the seller. The >seller delivered the engine to a show that I was at and I was busy doing >stuff when the seller showed up with the engine. I had him transfer it >to my pickup bed and paid him for the engine. > >After the seller left I had time to look at the engine and found that it >was basically a piece of crap. There were broken, cracked, repaired, >missing, etc. parts all over the engine. There was hardly a piece of >the engine that didn't have some problem or repair made to it. > >I've always regretted getting that engine and wish that I'd told the >seller to just keep it as it was in much worse condition than the photos >had shown. > >George > > >This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, >you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication >is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in >error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message >and any attachments from your system. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 31 14:35:34 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:35:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071101075648.01b4ba50@ncable.com.au> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071101075648.01b4ba50@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904F08194@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Buyer's remorse George I can feel your pain from here! and what is worst is that I can see some time back you were under so much stress you didn't realise the stickney and lorenze were not vertical either !!!!!! oh bother this hobbie does real real weird shit to the brain. Russell At 02:39 AM 1/11/2007, you wrote: > >Here's another topic: > >Have you ever bought an engine that you later wish you'd never bought? > >In my case I bought a 2hp New Holland engine. It's a nice engine. > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=758452 56&f=0 > >So.... Where's the remorse? > >As I posted earlier, I've been leaning more towards vertical engines >which the NH obviously is not. > >This past weekend I saw a vertical R&V engine I would sure like to have >and could have bought if I hadn't bought the NH engine. Having limited >funds for buying engines can be a problem when there are so many >engines out there to buy ;-) > >Several years ago I picked up a 5hp Galloway for a friend. My friend >had made the deal and I went to get the engine and pay the seller. The >seller delivered the engine to a show that I was at and I was busy >doing stuff when the seller showed up with the engine. I had him >transfer it to my pickup bed and paid him for the engine. > >After the seller left I had time to look at the engine and found that >it was basically a piece of crap. There were broken, cracked, >repaired, missing, etc. parts all over the engine. There was hardly a >piece of the engine that didn't have some problem or repair made to it. > >I've always regretted getting that engine and wish that I'd told the >seller to just keep it as it was in much worse condition than the >photos had shown. > >George > > >This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, >you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is >strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, >please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >attachments from your system. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 31 14:41:28 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:41:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071101075648.01b4ba50@ncable.com.au> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071101075648.01b4ba50@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904F081C1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Russell, Actually I have more horizontal engines than vertical ones. But the majority of the horizontal ones are ones I've had for a long time. Most of the engines I bought the past few years and am currently after are verticals. I only need two or three more verticals or sell a few horizontals to have an equal mix ;-) George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Buyer's remorse George I can feel your pain from here! and what is worst is that I can see some time back you were under so much stress you didn't realise the stickney and lorenze were not vertical either !!!!!! oh bother this hobbie does real real weird shit to the brain. Russell This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 31 15:28:00 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:28:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound Message-ID: Howdy; Heard about this for quite some time now from a friend, who's friend uses it on Model A's and such. Has anyone tried this and if so, did you have the warm fuzzy feelin'? http://www.newmantools.com/lapping/time.htm RickinMt. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 31 15:42:50 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:42:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] old technology getting better References: <004001c81c0d$169c8c50$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <005901c81c0f$5e15e700$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Given the rapid advances in electronic controlled electromagnetic > propulsion, we should expect to see engines . Want to see some good racing ? Watch the guy in back . He doesnt start picking them off till about 2:00 . Remember when cordless drills all sucked ? It's quite sobering to see him banging bars with gas powered bikes . http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710085605911324322&q=electric+motorcycle+race&total=32&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2 This one sure made a big splash http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710085605911324322&q=electric+motorcycle+race&total=32&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2 and then crashed http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710085605911324322&q=electric+motorcycle+race&total=32&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2 Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Oct 31 17:21:19 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:21:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: If it will take place of scraping a bearing, I'm for it! I can still remember how my muscles ached the day after a friend and I scraped the mains in my American LaFrance 570 cubic inch 4-banger! We did it with the engine in the chassis and had to bench press that crankshaft about a hundred times before I was satisfied that we had a good fit. They say to not get it into ball bearings and, although I didn't read the detailed instructions, I think I would clean the heck out of the bearings before final assembly. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 05:28 PM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound > > > > Howdy; > Heard about this for quite some time now from a > friend, who's friend uses it > on Model A's and such. > > Has anyone tried this and if so, did you have > the warm fuzzy feelin'? > > http://www.newmantools.com/lapping/time.htm > > RickinMt. From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 31 16:43:51 2007 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:43:51 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy; > Heard about this for quite some time now from a friend, who's friend uses it > on Model A's and such. > > Has anyone tried this and if so, did you have the warm fuzzy feelin'? > > http://www.newmantools.com/lapping/time.htm > > RickinMt. === This (or similar) was around here, in Australia, in the 1950s when I was an apprentice in a powerhouse. The old tradesmen preferred to hand-scrape the white-metal (babbit) bearings, which they could do much more quickly. However I experimented with it later when I had a power house of my own, but it was slow, especially as I took special precautions to wash all remnants away afterwards. I believe the abrasive material was pumice. JW? === From dleis at centurytel.net Wed Oct 31 17:43:13 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:43:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] new toys Message-ID: <002401c81c20$306f2260$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi List A good friend of mine passed away this last spring and his wife had a auction and I brought home a few of his toys. Stacy :-) http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4472152&a=32604523&pw From jbcast at charter.net Wed Oct 31 16:29:36 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:29:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071031192936.NTWWI.111537.root@fepweb11> > > Howdy; > Heard about this for quite some time now from a friend, who's friend uses it > on Model A's and such. > > Has anyone tried this and if so, did you have the warm fuzzy feelin'? Been using it for years, good stuff. I usually chck the crank in the lathe at low speed and hold the case or rod. It will mark the bearings tight spots, they can be scraped for quick removal, and continue to lap for a 100 percent fit. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Oct 31 20:04:02 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:04:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <001801c81c33$db41ede0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi George Well, you have sort of answered your own questions, whose fault was it for not checking the Galloway, not yours, but your friends.;-) You bought the New Holland, so at the time you must have wanted or liked it. We don't have to buy every engine that comes to sale, some of us would like every engine that is out there !!! I have enough and have recently found engines and passed them on to friends for free, my shed is full and I am over the clutter. I think as you get older the clutter gets to you, or does it ???? I am like you, I do prefer the verticals. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > Here's another topic: > > Have you ever bought an engine that you later wish you'd never bought? > > In my case I bought a 2hp New Holland engine. It's a nice engine. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=7584525 > 6&f=0 > > So.... Where's the remorse? > > As I posted earlier, I've been leaning more towards vertical engines > which the NH obviously is not. > > This past weekend I saw a vertical R&V engine I would sure like to have > and could have bought if I hadn't bought the NH engine. Having limited > funds for buying engines can be a problem when there are so many engines > out there to buy ;-) > > Several years ago I picked up a 5hp Galloway for a friend. My friend > had made the deal and I went to get the engine and pay the seller. The > seller delivered the engine to a show that I was at and I was busy doing > stuff when the seller showed up with the engine. I had him transfer it > to my pickup bed and paid him for the engine. > > After the seller left I had time to look at the engine and found that it > was basically a piece of crap. There were broken, cracked, repaired, > missing, etc. parts all over the engine. There was hardly a piece of > the engine that didn't have some problem or repair made to it. > > I've always regretted getting that engine and wish that I'd told the > seller to just keep it as it was in much worse condition than the photos > had shown. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Oct 1 04:09:29 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:09:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Message-ID: <100120071109.10531.4700D5690004685300002923219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Yes Brent I am leaning toward trying the heat and wrench idea and then welding a washer and nut if the later doesn't work first. But the MO-44 rust buster is recommended to be used in conjuntion with the heating process and was wondering if any one has tried it before I buy some. thanks, Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: tamatea whanau To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 05:52:35 +0000 > The old mechanics had two methods i know of one was heating the stud and > then putting paraffin around the base of the stud on cooling it draws the > paraffin in or the other method was to heat the stud and then cool it > rapidly with a cloth dipped in water and then unscrew this used to work > quite often use some vice grips or could file the stud square to get better > traction with a cresent other wise if it has broken off at the head itself > then put a washer down and then a close fitting nut on top and then fill > around the nut with weld and undo i use this method as pretty much always > works i put the washer down so i dont weld the nut to the base metal just as > a precaution. brent nz > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:41 PM > To: Old eng list; SEL Lists > Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck > > > Hi All, > I have a flat head six cyl engine with a head bolt broken off. Its been > advised to use a product called MO-44 Rust Buster (Supco Products) along > with > heat to remove the broken stud. Was wonderinging if any one has used this > product with any success? > thank you in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1037 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 > 1:32 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1037 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 > 1:32 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Oct 1 04:19:53 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:19:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Message-ID: <100120071119.15445.4700D7D9000B8CB000003C55219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Francis there is approx 1/4" of the stud bolt sticking up out of the block so I may just go the welding, heat method but as mentioned wanted to try MO-44 rust buster. thank you, Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: FRM8198 at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Head bolt stuck Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:04:35 +0000 > > In a message dated 9/30/2007 7:43:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: > > Curt how much of the stud is still sticking above the casting. > > > Is the head removed? If so, place a nut (with a diameter slightly smaller > than the diameter of the broken stud) over the broken stud and carefully arc > weld the nut to the stud. Let cool and it should unscrew with a wrench. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, Ca 93454 > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 1 05:45:46 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:45:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck References: <093020071041.13262.46FF7D5300008403000033CE219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <004101c80428$fd4e7700$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Its not any particular brand name that will save the day , it'll be technique . From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 1 06:15:08 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:15:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck References: <100120071109.10531.4700D5690004685300002923219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8042d$17756c70$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> my favorite is the nut , arc welded on maybe a pair of 410 channellocks . And then theresalwyas the cole drill , or "old man" . From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 1 09:00:11 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:00:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck References: Message-ID: <000201c8047e$3bcde9c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> or could file the stud square to get better > traction with a cresent >>> These are the ones . You can set them on a bar http://www.toolweb.com/pics/CHA410.jpg and then stand on one grip and it will bite and not slip like a pipe wrnech that works . as an experiment I put a nut on 4" X 1/2 bolt ....ran it in till it hit the shank stuck it in the the vice , stood on the workbench and bounced it against the threaded end with one foot till I twisted it off From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 1 16:29:04 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:29:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt stuck In-Reply-To: <000201c8047e$3bcde9c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <000201c8047e$3bcde9c0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <55DE2B7F-9375-4715-89F4-4C58EC56AA89@alltel.net> > as an experiment I put a nut on 4" X 1/2 bolt ....ran it in till it > hit the > shank > stuck it in the the vice , stood on the workbench and bounced it > against > the threaded end with one foot till I twisted it off Sumbitch Chuck, Were they able to reattach your foot? Was it your right or left foot? Hope you are OK! Dave From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Oct 2 03:02:37 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:02:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out Message-ID: <100220071002.5698.4702173D0001566600001642219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck head bolt I went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken stud...........well it did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in theory I did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was left of the broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out right to the remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the remainder out and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that after 55 years of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent jacket it had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the threaded bolt there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess heat from the welding process. Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new gaskets, both head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. Curt From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Oct 2 03:25:01 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:25:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out References: <100220071002.5698.4702173D0001566600001642219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003301c804e0$2f9ddf40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> At least, we ALL shared your troubles!!! Its good when ya have mates looking over your shoulder as the shit hits the fan!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Old eng list" ; "SEL Lists" Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out > After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck head bolt > I > went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken stud...........well > it > did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in theory > I > did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was left of > the > broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and > drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out right to > the > remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the remainder > out > and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that after 55 > years > of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent jacket > it > had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the threaded > bolt > there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess heat > from > the welding process. > Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new gaskets, > both > head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. > A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. > Curt > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 2 04:35:07 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 05:35:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt Message-ID: G'day all; Friend Corky and I are at our wits end trying to find a very obnoxious knock(s) on both dead centers of our vertical Wachs engine. This list has such great experience with main bearing babbitt, I wanted to ask here. Here's the engine and as you all probably know a "Single Simple" fires?? on both sides of the piston; http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2308067910039077051Ronfyj Dial indicator on end of cs shows .003 slop. This may indicate a bend crank or just out of round..I would think this would be tolerable. M/B babbitt looks new and shows no sign of ever being scrapped...one can still see some ripples. There is some side to side/axial slop in both main bearings. Yes, this would have showed up on the dial indicator had we loaded one side. Now the big question as the crank is going to the crank doc and he can flux weld and machine to any diameter. Do I have him flux weld and machine to a diameter so there is no side to side/axial slop and if so, how do I determine what diameter to use? Also, the rod inserts show wear on one side towards the solid flywheel. How do I assure this crank is level? This has been mentioned before..eh, Curt.. somewhile back. I really don't want to pour new babbitt. Thanks much...after this endeavor, I'll be headed back to the 4.5hp New Way in which I'm always looking for a mixer. Best Regards, RickinMt. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Oct 2 12:41:25 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:41:25 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out In-Reply-To: <003301c804e0$2f9ddf40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Curt pleased that the stud was removed safely without damage to the engine well done brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:25 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Head bolt is out At least, we ALL shared your troubles!!! Its good when ya have mates looking over your shoulder as the shit hits the fan!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Old eng list" ; "SEL Lists" Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out > After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck head bolt > I > went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken stud...........well > it > did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in theory > I > did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was left of > the > broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and > drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out right to > the > remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the remainder > out > and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that after 55 > years > of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent jacket > it > had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the threaded > bolt > there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess heat > from > the welding process. > Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new gaskets, > both > head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. > A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. > Curt > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.36/1041 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 10:20 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.36/1041 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 10:20 AM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 13:22:10 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out In-Reply-To: <100220071002.5698.4702173D0001566600001642219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <881054.72546.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Congrats, Curt. I know just how you feel. Ain't it nice when you get that first hole is really centered then the next bit can clean the hole right to the threads??? I think I used four bits to drill out the two very rusted machine screws from a $5.00 sad iron a week ago. The top plate was loose because the head had rusted off one of the flat head screws and the other screw was about half gone. They were rusted so bad my only option was to drill. I swung the top plate aside then ground the one down flat. I drilled the other one right through the head. Both came out the same. I drilled practically right to the threads without touching them. Then I used a tap and all it did was clean out the threads. When I was done I couldn't see any bright metal where I had cut threads. I was surprised it came out like that. I did have to order a box of 1/4-20 X 3/4" slotted flathead screws. They had Phillips head or brass slotted head. I also had another one that needed screws. It had one Phillips head and one wrong size screw that was just sitting in the hole. 1/4" - 20 X 3/4" Slotted, Flathead Machine Screws for sale. $0.10 each plus postage. 8>))) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck head bolt I went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken stud...........well it did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in theory I did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was left of the broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out right to the remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the remainder out and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that after 55 years of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent jacket it had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the threaded bolt there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess heat from the welding process. Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new gaskets, both head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. Curt --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. From jbcast at charter.net Tue Oct 2 15:39:24 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:39:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out In-Reply-To: <881054.72546.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071002183924.8B09F.39347.root@fepweb01> Curt, when I saw all the replys suggesting welding a nut to the stud I stayed out of it. I've tried that method several times with no luck. Maybe the bolts I tried were just too tight, but I had to end up drilling them out. Heat works well on exhaust manifolds where you can raise the temp enough, in a block you can't apply enough heat to help. If a bolt ends up drilled a little off center I use a little half round chisel and peel the remainder out. Penetrating oil doesn't help until you get the bolt moving. I've let stuck engines soak for over a year, pressed the piston out and had powdered rust on it. Bee's wax seams to help when heating, I think it remains at a higher temp then penetrating oils. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Oct 2 16:13:58 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:13:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt References: Message-ID: <005f01c80549$ed6dd9d0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Rick ,I can only relate an experience we had with a steamer on it's first run .A nasty knock ,it turned out to be the piston knocking on the cylinder head .A new thicker gasket solved it .Of course this doesn't explain yours knocking at both TDC's.Ours only did it on one.Still as they say ''It's all grist to the mill''. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > > G'day all; > Friend Corky and I are at our wits end trying to find a very obnoxious > knock(s) on both dead centers of our vertical Wachs engine. This list has > such great experience with main bearing babbitt, I wanted to ask here. > > Here's the engine and as you all probably know a "Single Simple" fires?? > on both sides of the piston; > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2308067910039077051Ronfyj > > Dial indicator on end of cs shows .003 slop. This may indicate a bend > crank or just out of round..I would think this would be tolerable. > > M/B babbitt looks new and shows no sign of ever being scrapped...one can > still see some ripples. There is some side to side/axial slop in both > main bearings. Yes, this would have showed up on the dial indicator had > we loaded one side. > > Now the big question as the crank is going to the crank doc and he can > flux weld and machine to any diameter. > > Do I have him flux weld and machine to a diameter so there is no side to > side/axial slop and if so, how do I determine what diameter to use? > > Also, the rod inserts show wear on one side towards the solid flywheel. > How do I assure this crank is level? This has been mentioned before..eh, > Curt.. somewhile back. > > I really don't want to pour new babbitt. > > > Thanks much...after this endeavor, I'll be headed back to the 4.5hp New > Way in which I'm always looking for a mixer. > > Best Regards, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 17:09:23 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? Message-ID: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, Isn't some babbitt partly lead? I just put up some pictures of a heavy chunk of lead or babbitt. I would like to know which it is. Is the a chemical or weight test I can do? A scratch or burn test???? Please take a look here. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32593365&f= Thanks a bunch, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Oct 2 17:22:25 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:22:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Typically lead gives a dull sound when struck, and babbitt rings. John On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Isn't some babbitt partly lead? > > I just put up some pictures of a heavy chunk of lead or babbitt. > I would like to know which it is. > Is the a chemical or weight test I can do? > A scratch or burn test???? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 2 17:31:37 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:31:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4702E2E9.6090601@scrtc.com> Alan, Lead is much softer than babbitt. Babbitt is an alloy potentially containing nickel, tin, copper, etc. You can take a pocket knife and easily "shave" the edge of a chunk of lead. With babbitt, its not so easy. I'm sure there is some type of density test that could be done to determine the make up of your material. Melting point is possibly another way to tell as pure lead would be considerably lower than babbitt (I would think). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alan Bowen wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Isn't some babbitt partly lead? > >I just put up some pictures of a heavy chunk of lead or babbitt. >I would like to know which it is. >Is the a chemical or weight test I can do? >A scratch or burn test???? > >Please take a look here. >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32593365&f= > >Thanks a bunch, > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > >--------------------------------- >Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 17:55:42 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <4702E2E9.6090601@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <185103.45394.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you very much, John and Tommy. I used my little Kabar 1226 to tap it and then went out to my engine shed and tapped a bar of babbitt. I also tapped some known lead. This is lead. Cool ringing sound on babbitt, John. Then I used the same Kaber 1226 to carve a bit. Again,,,, This is lead. The way that R is stamped on it I was hoping for a different result, but oh well,,, 8>)) Thanks again guys !!!! This list IS great. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Judge Tommy Turner wrote: Alan, Lead is much softer than babbitt. Babbitt is an alloy potentially containing nickel, tin, copper, etc. You can take a pocket knife and easily "shave" the edge of a chunk of lead. With babbitt, its not so easy. I'm sure there is some type of density test that could be done to determine the make up of your material. Melting point is possibly another way to tell as pure lead would be considerably lower than babbitt (I would think). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alan Bowen wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Isn't some babbitt partly lead? > >I just put up some pictures of a heavy chunk of lead or babbitt. >I would like to know which it is. >Is the a chemical or weight test I can do? >A scratch or burn test???? > >Please take a look here. >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4465727&a=32593365&f= > >Thanks a bunch, > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > >--------------------------------- >Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. From enginepaul at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 18:09:58 2007 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:09:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <4702E2E9.6090601@scrtc.com> References: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4702E2E9.6090601@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0710021809r56714809s3a9185097e04c23f@mail.gmail.com> This may add to the confusion, or help in some cases. Type metal, as in printer's type is another lead alloy out there. Metal used for Foundry type is the hardest, monotype metal is next then there is linotype metal and spacing metal. All are mostly lead and melt somewhere between 250 to about 320 degrees depending on exact composition. Foundry type metal has tin for hardness and antimony to counteract shrinkage. This used to be expensive, but with computers came obsolescence. I gave several hundred pounds to a fisherman that used it for sinkers and I suppose much of it is now gone or in scrap ingots out there. Paul Typesetter - learned in 1960. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 18:25:21 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0710021809r56714809s3a9185097e04c23f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <757781.24931.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, I was given a weird looking tablesaw a few years ago. It actually was a lead saw that served for many years at a small town newspaper. It came with a lot of different spacers and several blades. I donated it to the Buckley Old Engine Show. http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/ I figured that was better than ripping it apart because it had some parts that I saw another use for. I still wonder why this chunk of "lead' has the R stamped into it,,,,,,, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan "P. Johns" wrote: This may add to the confusion, or help in some cases. Type metal, as in printer's type is another lead alloy out there. Metal used for Foundry type is the hardest, monotype metal is next then there is linotype metal and spacing metal. All are mostly lead and melt somewhere between 250 to about 320 degrees depending on exact composition. Foundry type metal has tin for hardness and antimony to counteract shrinkage. This used to be expensive, but with computers came obsolescence. I gave several hundred pounds to a fisherman that used it for sinkers and I suppose much of it is now gone or in scrap ingots out there. Paul Typesetter - learned in 1960. --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 2 18:35:50 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:35:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <757781.24931.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <757781.24931.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4702F1F6.3090201@scrtc.com> Alan, Possibly for "Recycled" to show it was used material? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > >I still wonder why this chunk of "lead' has the R stamped into it,,,,,,, > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > >"P. Johns" wrote: This may add to the confusion, or help in some cases. >Type metal, as in printer's type is another lead alloy out there. Metal used for Foundry type is the hardest, monotype metal is next then there is linotype metal and spacing metal. All are mostly lead and melt somewhere between 250 to about 320 degrees depending on exact composition. > >Foundry type metal has tin for hardness and antimony to counteract >shrinkage. This used to be expensive, but with computers came obsolescence. >I gave several hundred pounds to a fisherman that used it for sinkers and I suppose much of it is now gone or in scrap ingots out there. > >Paul >Typesetter - learned in 1960. > > >--------------------------------- >Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! >Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From ddotto at cableone.net Tue Oct 2 18:49:34 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:49:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c8055f$a670ee30$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Hi Rick How is the fit on the pin where the rod connects to the cross head? And play there could cause a knock that may be amplified through the rest of the parts. Any more than a thou or so and you may be hearing it. If the mains are in good shape I would think that a little scraping would bring them in to a good running fit. I would look at the cross head for the source of the knock. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:35 AM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > > > G'day all; > Friend Corky and I are at our wits end trying to find a very obnoxious > knock(s) on both dead centers of our vertical Wachs engine. This list has > such great experience with main bearing babbitt, I wanted to ask here. > > Here's the engine and as you all probably know a "Single Simple" fires?? > on both sides of the piston; > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2308067910039077051Ronfyj > > Dial indicator on end of cs shows .003 slop. This may indicate a bend > crank or just out of round..I would think this would be tolerable. > > M/B babbitt looks new and shows no sign of ever being scrapped...one can > still see some ripples. There is some side to side/axial slop in both > main > bearings. Yes, this would have showed up on the dial indicator had we > loaded one side. > > Now the big question as the crank is going to the crank doc and he can > flux weld and machine to any diameter. > > Do I have him flux weld and machine to a diameter so there is no side to > side/axial slop and if so, how do I determine what diameter to use? > > Also, the rod inserts show wear on one side towards the solid flywheel. > How do I assure this crank is level? This has been mentioned before..eh, > Curt.. somewhile back. > > I really don't want to pour new babbitt. > > > Thanks much...after this endeavor, I'll be headed back to the 4.5hp New > Way in which I'm always looking for a mixer. > > Best Regards, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ NOD32 2567 (20071002) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Oct 2 18:51:51 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:51:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2761e48127dc9eebe97c7a20b5b2e972@chartertn.net> That "ring test" doesn't work, BTW, if the lead's been heat treated by water quenching just below the melting point. I'm a bullet caster and do a lot of that. Lead alloys containing antimony, arsenic, or a bunch of other metals that will go into solid solution in the lead at elevated temperature will harden WAY up that way. The alloying elemnt(s) won't stay in solid solution at room temperature and crystallize out in a much finer grained structure than with slow cooling, pinning the atomic planes of lead together in many places so they can't slip by one another easily. Plain lead-antimony wheelweights will make harder bullets than those cast of air-cooled linotype if properly quenched and aged for a couple of weeks to reach maximum hardness. Quenched bullets also jingle like little bells instead of giving a dull rattle when shaken together. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 2 19:54:44 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:54:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83F38FAC-0EDF-448F-9C11-B364AA827486@alltel.net> Hi Alan, Babbitt starts with the letter "B." Lead starts with the letter "L!" Dave On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Thanks a bunch, > Alan Bowen From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 2 20:32:44 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:32:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? References: <321021.77307.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <83F38FAC-0EDF-448F-9C11-B364AA827486@alltel.net> Message-ID: <005201c8056e$100d55f0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> I am not sure Books, study, eat always works Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? > Hi Alan, Babbitt starts with the letter "B." Lead starts with the > letter "L!" > Dave > > On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: >> Thanks a bunch, >> Alan Bowen > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Oct 2 21:27:56 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out In-Reply-To: <100220071002.5698.4702173D0001566600001642219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <100220071002.5698.4702173D0001566600001642219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <22984AFD-F52E-476A-80BD-3046331643A7@rustyiron.com> On Oct 2, 2007, at 3:02 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck > head bolt I > went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken > stud...........well it > did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in > theory I > did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was > left of the > broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and > drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out > right to the > remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the > remainder out > and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that > after 55 years > of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent > jacket it > had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the > threaded bolt > there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess > heat from > the welding process. > Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new > gaskets, both > head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. > A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. > Curt Hi Curt, Another weapon in your arsenal should be left hand drill bits. Buy a selection now so they'll be on hand the next time you're drilling out a screw. Rob From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 2 22:20:58 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (ozengine at optusnet.com.au) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:20:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? Message-ID: <200710030520.l935Kwns030494@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Thanks Dave for clearing that up Its a Rabbit then Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > David Rotigel wrote: > > Hi Alan, Babbitt starts with the letter "B." Lead starts with the > letter "L!" > Dave From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Oct 3 03:42:25 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:42:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out Message-ID: <100320071042.9285.47037211000D315A00002445219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Yes Rob I do have a set of left handed bits but the car engine was at a friends shop and when I went to look for them the other day couldn't locate them (need to really inventory and clean my shop this winter) in time to help with the drilling process........ Thanks for the info. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Rob Skinner To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: Old eng list Subject: Re: [SEL] Head bolt is out Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 04:30:17 +0000 > > On Oct 2, 2007, at 3:02 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck > > head bolt I > > went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken > > stud...........well it > > did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in > > theory I > > did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was > > left of the > > broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and > > drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out > > right to the > > remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the > > remainder out > > and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that > > after 55 years > > of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent > > jacket it > > had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the > > threaded bolt > > there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess > > heat from > > the welding process. > > Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new > > gaskets, both > > head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. > > A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. > > Curt > > > Hi Curt, > Another weapon in your arsenal should be left hand drill bits. Buy a > selection now so they'll be on hand the next time you're drilling out > a screw. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 3 05:24:19 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 05:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How do I tell Babbitt from Lead? In-Reply-To: <83F38FAC-0EDF-448F-9C11-B364AA827486@alltel.net> Message-ID: <965182.19253.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very good Dave, I am kind of amazed you finally figured that out. Now go back for another lesson. 8>))) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan David Rotigel wrote: Hi Alan, Babbitt starts with the letter "B." Lead starts with the letter "L!" Dave On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Thanks a bunch, > Alan Bowen --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. From driggars at wildblue.net Wed Oct 3 09:41:26 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:41:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Head bolt is out In-Reply-To: <100320071042.9285.47037211000D315A00002445219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <100320071042.9285.47037211000D315A00002445219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4703C636.5070107@wildblue.net> Now, that sounds like my shop, what ever I need at any given time, I can't find it! No matter what it is when it comes to special tools! Clint cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Yes Rob I do have a set of left handed bits but the car engine was at a > friends shop and when I went to look for them the other day couldn't locate > them (need to really inventory and clean my shop this winter) in time to help > with the drilling process........ Thanks for the info. > Curt > > > ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- > From: Rob Skinner > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Old eng list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Head bolt is out > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 04:30:17 +0000 > > >> On Oct 2, 2007, at 3:02 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: >> >> >>> After all the really great suggestions of how to remove my stuck >>> head bolt I >>> went with the weld the nut onto the remaining broken >>> stud...........well it >>> did NOT work. You would of thought it would of worked at least in >>> theory I >>> did too but no go, just proceeded in breaking off more of what was >>> left of the >>> broken stud. Soooo I ended up grinding the stud smooth to surface and >>> drilling the damn thing out. Got lucky and it was cleaned out >>> right to the >>> remaing threads in the block. Ended up carefully picking the >>> remainder out >>> and retapped the hole. The only thing I could figure was that >>> after 55 years >>> of that frozen bolt being partially submerged in the water coolent >>> jacket it >>> had developed so much rust and debrie on the lower half of the >>> threaded bolt >>> there was no way in hell it was going to come out even with excess >>> heat from >>> the welding process. >>> Now for final cleanup and the engine is ready for all the new >>> gaskets, both >>> head and manifold and it will be back on the road again. >>> A very big THANK YOU to all that helped. >>> Curt >>> >> Hi Curt, >> Another weapon in your arsenal should be left hand drill bits. Buy a >> selection now so they'll be on hand the next time you're drilling out >> a screw. >> >> Rob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 4 18:37:10 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:37:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? Message-ID: <47059546.9040504@scrtc.com> Anybody on the list live near I-35 around Waco, TX? I have to make a trip down I-35 next week and am possibly looking for a spot to drop off a 3 HP John Deere for someone to pick up in the near future. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Oct 4 18:49:12 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:49:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? In-Reply-To: <47059546.9040504@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000b01c806f1$eee32e10$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> I'm bout 2 miles outa Waco Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? Anybody on the list live near I-35 around Waco, TX? I have to make a trip down I-35 next week and am possibly looking for a spot to drop off a 3 HP John Deere for someone to pick up in the near future. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 8:59 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 8:59 AM From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 4 20:08:11 2007 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <855126.89952.qm@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Rick, Is the knock when you are running the engine, or turning it over by hand. Are you running it on air or steam? An engine needs to be timed so that it goes into compression on each end of the stroke, to cushion it as everything comes to a stop and reverses direction. An engine timed wrong will really, really knock. Another thing that can cause a knock is if the engine is running without load and the governor has the steam throttled back so far that the pressure in the steam chest is so low that when the engine goes into compression, it lifts the slide valve off the seat, then as the piston goes back down the cylinder, the valve slams back against its seat. The bearings, as you describe them, don't sound all that bad. Are you sure the knock isn't somewhere else? Steam engines are usually a lot more forgiving than a gas engine, things have to be really worn to be a problem. Do you have a book with the details of setting a slide valve? A slide valve is a lot harder to set than a poppet or corliss valve since you can't get everything perfect, just a series of compromises. Ha, sounds like being married. Good Luck, Joe --- Richard Strobel wrote: > > G'day all; > Friend Corky and I are at our wits end trying to find a very > obnoxious > knock(s) on both dead centers of our vertical Wachs engine. This list > has > such great experience with main bearing babbitt, I wanted to ask here. > > Here's the engine and as you all probably know a "Single Simple" > fires?? > on both sides of the piston; > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2308067910039077051Ronfyj > > Dial indicator on end of cs shows .003 slop. This may indicate a bend > > crank or just out of round..I would think this would be tolerable. > > M/B babbitt looks new and shows no sign of ever being scrapped...one > can > still see some ripples. There is some side to side/axial slop in both > main > bearings. Yes, this would have showed up on the dial indicator had we > loaded one side. > > Now the big question as the crank is going to the crank doc and he can > > flux weld and machine to any diameter. > > Do I have him flux weld and machine to a diameter so there is no side > to > side/axial slop and if so, how do I determine what diameter to use? > > Also, the rod inserts show wear on one side towards the solid > flywheel. > How do I assure this crank is level? This has been mentioned > before..eh, > Curt.. somewhile back. > > I really don't want to pour new babbitt. > > > Thanks much...after this endeavor, I'll be headed back to the 4.5hp > New > Way in which I'm always looking for a mixer. > > Best Regards, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 4 20:25:41 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:25:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? In-Reply-To: <000b01c806f1$eee32e10$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <000b01c806f1$eee32e10$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <4705AEB5.3060106@scrtc.com> Lew, Here's what I have going on and perhaps if there are other folks out there that live along I-40 in TX and we couldn't work something out, they could help. I have an engine here that I traded to Frank Miguel of California. Frank traded for it to give to his son, Paul Miguel, who lives in Hereford, TX. His son has a friend who lives near Waco (about 40 miles I think) who could possibly take the engine to Paul in the future. I may need a place to drop the engine off until Paul's friend can pick it up. The engine isn't big, its a 3 HP JD. Would you have a corner somewhere in a shed, barn, etc. that the engine could sit until the friend can get it? I'm trying to see if Paul's friend and me can hook up somewhere but we might not be able to work it out. I think I'll be through Waco around 6:00 pm but this could change a bit due to traffic, etc. I might make real good time or could be slowed by an accident, construction, etc. Thanks for contacting me and please let me know if you think there are any possibilities on this. Tommy Turner Lew Best wrote: >I'm bout 2 miles outa Waco > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge >Tommy Turner >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:37 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? > >Anybody on the list live near I-35 around Waco, TX? I have to make a >trip down I-35 next week and am possibly looking for a spot to drop off >a 3 HP John Deere for someone to pick up in the near future. Thanks. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: >10/4/2007 8:59 AM > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: >10/4/2007 8:59 AM > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Oct 4 20:40:42 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:40:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? In-Reply-To: <4705AEB5.3060106@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002d01c80701$82f51280$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Just sent you a reply on the back channel. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:26 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? Lew, Here's what I have going on and perhaps if there are other folks out there that live along I-40 in TX and we couldn't work something out, they could help. I have an engine here that I traded to Frank Miguel of California. Frank traded for it to give to his son, Paul Miguel, who lives in Hereford, TX. His son has a friend who lives near Waco (about 40 miles I think) who could possibly take the engine to Paul in the future. I may need a place to drop the engine off until Paul's friend can pick it up. The engine isn't big, its a 3 HP JD. Would you have a corner somewhere in a shed, barn, etc. that the engine could sit until the friend can get it? I'm trying to see if Paul's friend and me can hook up somewhere but we might not be able to work it out. I think I'll be through Waco around 6:00 pm but this could change a bit due to traffic, etc. I might make real good time or could be slowed by an accident, construction, etc. Thanks for contacting me and please let me know if you think there are any possibilities on this. Tommy Turner Lew Best wrote: >I'm bout 2 miles outa Waco > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge >Tommy Turner >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:37 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? > >Anybody on the list live near I-35 around Waco, TX? I have to make a >trip down I-35 next week and am possibly looking for a spot to drop off >a 3 HP John Deere for someone to pick up in the near future. Thanks. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: >10/4/2007 8:59 AM > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: >10/4/2007 8:59 AM > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 8:59 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 8:59 AM From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Oct 4 22:10:32 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:10:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Some photos from Iraq Message-ID: <00f001c8070e$0e0a6d00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> If you recall a couple of year ago my son was in Iraq in the Army. He has just passed on some photos of a couple of big Rustons. These were taken on his second stint over there. (Why we spent time in Darwin this year utilising a vacant flat), I haven't put captions on them but enjoy anyway. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/535946814iWIWbl Ron Canberra From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Oct 4 22:41:53 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:41:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Some photos from Iraq In-Reply-To: <00f001c8070e$0e0a6d00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <20071005054145.ELTA8739.oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Interesting photos Ron. It looks like those Rustons are worked hard. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _____ From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Ron Page Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 3:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: Some photos from Iraq If you recall a couple of year ago my son was in Iraq in the Army. He has just passed on some photos of a couple of big Rustons. These were taken on his second stint over there. (Why we spent time in Darwin this year utilising a vacant flat), I haven't put captions on them but enjoy anyway. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/535946814iWIWbl Ron Canberra From bethell at internode.on.net Fri Oct 5 02:07:49 2007 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:07:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Some photos from Iraq References: <00f001c8070e$0e0a6d00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <002501c8072f$34a36540$0201010a@JIM> Our Club has a twin cylinder of this class in our engine shed at Wentworth NSW. I notice the governor weights are missing off the running engine and also the air intake valve and dome, I wonder how they keep them running like that??? regards Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: ; Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Some photos from Iraq > If you recall a couple of year ago my son was in Iraq in the Army. He has > just passed on some photos of a couple of big Rustons. These were taken on > his second stint over there. (Why we spent time in Darwin this year > utilising a vacant flat), I haven't put captions on them but enjoy > anyway. > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/535946814iWIWbl > > Ron > > Canberra > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 5 04:40:27 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:40:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt References: <855126.89952.qm@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe, we've ran it on air and steam. With steam the knocks are very obnoxious. To be honest, I don't recall it on air. Here's the deal on our timing. Please keep in mind the eccentric is keyed to the crankshaft and eccentric has two keyways with setscrew. I assume the two positions are for forward and reverse. There is no reverser lever on this engine. So we centered the piston in it's throw and adjusted the slide "D" valve linkage so that the throw was equal on both centers. This automatically set the lead/lag/cushion which in turn opens the ports when the crankshaft is past it's centers. This is not right but we don't know how to change it...other than elimate the key on the eccentric and just use the setscrew so we get a "lead." We don't have a good book now on timing a stationary. One is on order and the other we'll get at Rollag steam school next year. I find the governor feature you mentioned very interesting. We have not loaded the engine yet nor "put it on the gov." so to speak. Gotta be something simple...hell, I might be turning the engine the wrong direction. Very soon the setup will be going into the shed as winter is arriving way too soon...and then back to the drawing board...."steam 101 fer dummies." Thanks much Joe...ya got me thinkin' which is a scary thought in itself. Many thanks also to Ken, Curt, Dave, and Peter. I have re-read all your posts..hopefully it will sink in. Sorry to garbage up the SEL, the steam list is pretty dead nowdays. RickinMt. Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > Hi Rick, > Is the knock when you are running the engine, or turning it over by hand. > Are you running it on air or steam? An engine needs to be timed so that it > goes into compression on each end of the stroke, to cushion it as > everything comes to a stop and reverses direction. An engine timed wrong > will really, really knock. > Another thing that can cause a knock is if the engine is running without > load and the governor has the steam throttled back so far that the > pressure in the steam chest is so low that when the engine goes into > compression, it lifts the slide valve off the seat, then as the piston > goes back down the cylinder, the valve slams back against its seat. > The bearings, as you describe them, don't sound all that bad. Are you sure > the knock isn't somewhere else? Steam engines are usually a lot more > forgiving than a gas engine, things have to be really worn to be a > problem. > Do you have a book with the details of setting a slide valve? A slide > valve is a lot harder to set than a poppet or corliss valve since you > can't get everything perfect, just a series of compromises. Ha, sounds > like being married. > Good Luck, > Joe From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Oct 5 06:28:52 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:28:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/4/2007 11:27:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: I might make real good time Tommy, Being a Judge, you should set a good example for the rest of us and keep within the speed limits! Have a great trip! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Fri Oct 5 07:34:08 2007 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:34:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt References: <855126.89952.qm@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c8075c$cb460b10$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Hi Rick; Joe raises a good point. Does the knock lessen or go away during acceleration? Have you tried loading the engine? The little Leffel center crank we have will do the valve slapping thing if we close the throttle too fast, and even the big Corliss gets noisy if the throttle is closed too fast and the engine is pushing enough to lift the valves a little. Water stuck in the cylinder also causes knocking, but from what you've said so far, I doubt that's the problem. As for the SEL, that's what it's there for! You even got a few of us lurkers to let go the throttle and type a little! Happy Steaming! Best Regards; Jim M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > Hi Rick, > Is the knock when you are running the engine, or turning it over by hand. > Are you running it on air or steam? An engine needs to be timed so that it > goes into compression on each end of the stroke, to cushion it as > everything comes to a stop and reverses direction. An engine timed wrong > will really, really knock. > Another thing that can cause a knock is if the engine is running without > load and the governor has the steam throttled back so far that the > pressure in the steam chest is so low that when the engine goes into > compression, it lifts the slide valve off the seat, then as the piston > goes back down the cylinder, the valve slams back against its seat. > The bearings, as you describe them, don't sound all that bad. Are you sure > the knock isn't somewhere else? Steam engines are usually a lot more > forgiving than a gas engine, things have to be really worn to be a > problem. > Do you have a book with the details of setting a slide valve? A slide > valve is a lot harder to set than a poppet or corliss valve since you > can't get everything perfect, just a series of compromises. Ha, sounds > like being married. > Good Luck, > Joe > > > > --- Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > > G'day all; > > Friend Corky and I are at our wits end trying to find a very > > obnoxious > > knock(s) on both dead centers of our vertical Wachs engine. This list > > has > > such great experience with main bearing babbitt, I wanted to ask here. > > > > Here's the engine and as you all probably know a "Single Simple" > > fires?? > > on both sides of the piston; > > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2308067910039077051Ronfyj > > > > Dial indicator on end of cs shows .003 slop. This may indicate a bend > > > > crank or just out of round..I would think this would be tolerable. > > > > M/B babbitt looks new and shows no sign of ever being scrapped...one > > can > > still see some ripples. There is some side to side/axial slop in both > > main > > bearings. Yes, this would have showed up on the dial indicator had we > > loaded one side. > > > > Now the big question as the crank is going to the crank doc and he can > > > > flux weld and machine to any diameter. > > > > Do I have him flux weld and machine to a diameter so there is no side > > to > > side/axial slop and if so, how do I determine what diameter to use? > > > > Also, the rod inserts show wear on one side towards the solid > > flywheel. > > How do I assure this crank is level? This has been mentioned > > before..eh, > > Curt.. somewhile back. > > > > I really don't want to pour new babbitt. > > > > > > Thanks much...after this endeavor, I'll be headed back to the 4.5hp > > New > > Way in which I'm always looking for a mixer. > > > > Best Regards, > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Oct 5 07:51:50 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:51:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Live near Waco, TX? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47064F86.7030900@scrtc.com> Tom, My speedometer never registers above the posted speed limit.... it doesn't work period! Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > >In a message dated 10/4/2007 11:27:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > >I might make real good time > >Tommy, > >Being a Judge, you should set a good example for the rest of us and keep >within the speed limits! > >Have a great trip! > > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >Germoamer at aol.com > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Oct 5 08:03:10 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:03:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200710051503.l95F3Dg2077027@mail-gw.fsr.net> Rick -- This is just a SWAG, but I'm wondering if you thoroughly warmed up the steam lines and engine. If you didn't, the engine might have excessive condensate in the cylinder and is going into hydraulic lock-up at TDC. If you've ever seen footage of steam locomotives pulling out of the station, you'll see steam blowing out of the cylinders at every stroke. Petcocks are left open to let excess condensate escape. They are closed after the cylinders are up to temperature. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:40 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt Joe, we've ran it on air and steam. With steam the knocks are very obnoxious. To be honest, I don't recall it on air. Here's the deal on our timing. Please keep in mind the eccentric is keyed to the crankshaft and eccentric has two keyways with setscrew. I assume the two positions are for forward and reverse. There is no reverser lever on this engine. So we centered the piston in it's throw and adjusted the slide "D" valve linkage so that the throw was equal on both centers. This automatically set the lead/lag/cushion which in turn opens the ports when the crankshaft is past it's centers. This is not right but we don't know how to change it...other than elimate the key on the eccentric and just use the setscrew so we get a "lead." We don't have a good book now on timing a stationary. One is on order and the other we'll get at Rollag steam school next year. I find the governor feature you mentioned very interesting. We have not loaded the engine yet nor "put it on the gov." so to speak. Gotta be something simple...hell, I might be turning the engine the wrong direction. Very soon the setup will be going into the shed as winter is arriving way too soon...and then back to the drawing board...."steam 101 fer dummies." Thanks much Joe...ya got me thinkin' which is a scary thought in itself. Many thanks also to Ken, Curt, Dave, and Peter. I have re-read all your posts..hopefully it will sink in. Sorry to garbage up the SEL, the steam list is pretty dead nowdays. RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 5 08:13:39 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:13:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt References: <200710051503.l95F3Dg2077027@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Good point Orrin,, yes we purge both plus the valve chest for quite a while before closing any of the valves. We get a lot of condensate out of the valve chest and lower cylinder drain. Course they have to heat up more iron as opposed to the top. I've seen the results of hydrostatic lockup on a cylinder...ouch!! And we keep them open during initial startup and only closed when we're assured that we have fairly dry steam...and I use that term loosely :-) Thanks much Rick > Rick -- > > This is just a SWAG, but I'm wondering if you thoroughly warmed up the > steam > lines and engine. If you didn't, the engine might have excessive > condensate > in the cylinder and is going into hydraulic lock-up at TDC. > > If you've ever seen footage of steam locomotives pulling out of the > station, > you'll see steam blowing out of the cylinders at every stroke. Petcocks > are > left open to let excess condensate escape. They are closed after the > cylinders are up to temperature. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:40 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > > Joe, we've ran it on air and steam. With steam the knocks are very > obnoxious. To be honest, I don't recall it on air. > Here's the deal on our timing. Please keep in mind the eccentric is > keyed > > to the crankshaft and eccentric has two keyways with setscrew. I assume > the > > two positions are for forward and reverse. There is no reverser lever on > this engine. > > So we centered the piston in it's throw and adjusted the slide "D" valve > linkage so that the throw was equal on both centers. This automatically > set > > the lead/lag/cushion which in turn opens the ports when the crankshaft is > past it's centers. This is not right but we don't know how to change > it...other than elimate the key on the eccentric and just use the setscrew > so we get a "lead." > > We don't have a good book now on timing a stationary. One is on order > and > > the other we'll get at Rollag steam school next year. > > I find the governor feature you mentioned very interesting. We have not > loaded the engine yet nor "put it on the gov." so to speak. > > Gotta be something simple...hell, I might be turning the engine the > wrong > direction. > > Very soon the setup will be going into the shed as winter is arriving > way > too soon...and then back to the drawing board...."steam 101 fer dummies." > > Thanks much Joe...ya got me thinkin' which is a scary thought in itself. > > Many thanks also to Ken, Curt, Dave, and Peter. I have re-read all your > posts..hopefully it will sink in. > > Sorry to garbage up the SEL, the steam list is pretty dead nowdays. > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 5 08:25:18 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:25:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O/T Steam lead lag References: <855126.89952.qm@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c8075c$cb460b10$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: Ok Jim and Joe, anyone. Please click on the below link and see if the statement is correct. I've cross posted to steam list and hopefully will get this off the SEL. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2733541280039077051PEuqSi Regards, RickinMt. PS: Joe to answer your questions. The knocks seem to get weaker with speed increse and we haven't loaded the engine yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > Hi Rick; > Joe raises a good point. Does the knock lessen or go away during > acceleration? Have you tried loading the engine? The little Leffel center > crank we have will do the valve slapping thing if we close the throttle > too > fast, and even the big Corliss gets noisy if the throttle is closed too > fast > and the engine is pushing enough to lift the valves a little. Water stuck > in > the cylinder also causes knocking, but from what you've said so far, I > doubt > that's the problem. > As for the SEL, that's what it's there for! You even got a few of us > lurkers to let go the throttle and type a little! > Happy Steaming! > Best Regards; > Jim M. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Prindle" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:08 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Steam main bearing babbitt > > > > Hi Rick, > > Is the knock when you are running the engine, or turning it over by > > hand. > > Are you running it on air or steam? An engine needs to be timed so that > > it > > goes into compression on each end of the stroke, to cushion it as > > everything comes to a stop and reverses direction. An engine timed wrong > > will really, really knock. > > Another thing that can cause a knock is if the engine is running without > > load and the governor has the steam throttled back so far that the > > pressure in the steam chest is so low that when the engine goes into > > compression, it lifts the slide valve off the seat, then as the piston > > goes back down the cylinder, the valve slams back against its seat. > > The bearings, as you describe them, don't sound all that bad. Are you > > sure > > the knock isn't somewhere else? Steam engines are usually a lot more > > forgiving than a gas engine, things have to be really worn to be a > > problem. > > Do you have a book with the details of setting a slide valve? A slide > > valve is a lot harder to set than a poppet or corliss valve since you > > can't get everything perfect, just a series of compromises. Ha, sounds > > like being married. > > Good Luck, > > Joe > > > > > > > > --- Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > > > > > G'day all; > > > Friend Corky and I are at our wits end trying to find a very > > > obnoxious > > > knock(s) on both dead centers of our vertical Wachs engine. This list > > > has > > > such great experience with main bearing babbitt, I wanted to ask here. > > > > > > Here's the engine and as you all probably know a "Single Simple" > > > fires?? > > > on both sides of the piston; > > > > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2308067910039077051Ronfyj > > > > > > Dial indicator on end of cs shows .003 slop. This may indicate a > > > bend > > > > > > crank or just out of round..I would think this would be tolerable. > > > > > > M/B babbitt looks new and shows no sign of ever being scrapped...one > > > can > > > still see some ripples. There is some side to side/axial slop in both > > > main > > > bearings. Yes, this would have showed up on the dial indicator had we > > > loaded one side. > > > > > > Now the big question as the crank is going to the crank doc and he > > > can > > > > > > flux weld and machine to any diameter. > > > > > > Do I have him flux weld and machine to a diameter so there is no > > > side > > > to > > > side/axial slop and if so, how do I determine what diameter to use? > > > > > > Also, the rod inserts show wear on one side towards the solid > > > flywheel. > > > How do I assure this crank is level? This has been mentioned > > > before..eh, > > > Curt.. somewhile back. > > > > > > I really don't want to pour new babbitt. > > > > > > > > > Thanks much...after this endeavor, I'll be headed back to the 4.5hp > > > New > > > Way in which I'm always looking for a mixer. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > Joe Prindle > > Baraboo, WI USA > > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike > Milligan > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 07:04:09 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:04:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc Message-ID: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> Just reviewing some books that we have in our engine library, and Wendel's BRB came to light, albeit with a little surface dust! I seem to remember Arnie/Dave giving details about the various issues and reprints of these, and I wonder if I could prevail upon their good nature to run the explanation again please? The one we have is a 'new' 1994 reprint of the 1983 original, but there were others I believe, including the one released last year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Oct 6 17:33:06 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:33:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> Hi Peter, BYB, 1983. BRB 1994 (Poor photo copy of the 1983 book because the 1983 plates were "lost"--this one had a RED cover.) Paperback Published about 6-8 years ago. (Better quality because of improved copying techniques.) BYB (and Vol. II) published about 2 years ago. Vol II content is for shit and not worth the paper upon which it is printed. Vol. I looks to be about the same as the 1983 edition. Be very careful of what you buy on eBay. Most advertised as 1983 are likely the 2005(?) reprint! Dave On Oct 6, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Just reviewing some books that we have in our engine library, and > Wendel's BRB came to light, albeit with a little surface dust! > > I seem to remember Arnie/Dave giving details about the various issues > and reprints of these, and I wonder if I could prevail upon their good > nature to run the explanation again please? > > The one we have is a 'new' 1994 reprint of the 1983 original, but > there were others I believe, including the one released last year. > > Peter From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 6 18:28:58 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> Message-ID: <994684.90988.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Dave,,,, You didn't mention all those leather bound ones you have bought,,, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan David Rotigel wrote: Hi Peter, BYB, 1983. BRB 1994 (Poor photo copy of the 1983 book because the 1983 plates were "lost"--this one had a RED cover.) Paperback Published about 6-8 years ago. (Better quality because of improved copying techniques.) BYB (and Vol. II) published about 2 years ago. Vol II content is for shit and not worth the paper upon which it is printed. Vol. I looks to be about the same as the 1983 edition. Be very careful of what you buy on eBay. Most advertised as 1983 are likely the 2005(?) reprint! Dave On Oct 6, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Just reviewing some books that we have in our engine library, and > Wendel's BRB came to light, albeit with a little surface dust! > > I seem to remember Arnie/Dave giving details about the various issues > and reprints of these, and I wonder if I could prevail upon their good > nature to run the explanation again please? > > The one we have is a 'new' 1994 reprint of the 1983 original, but > there were others I believe, including the one released last year. > > Peter _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Oct 6 19:35:37 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:35:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <994684.90988.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <994684.90988.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The leather bound volumes were published in 1983 along with the BYB's first printing. The paper was of a better quality, but the images were the same. Dave PS, I should look to see how many of those I have! On Oct 6, 2007, at 9:28 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Hey Dave,,,, > You didn't mention all those leather bound ones you have bought,,, > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > David Rotigel wrote: Hi Peter, > BYB, 1983. > BRB 1994 (Poor photo copy of the 1983 book because the 1983 plates > were "lost"--this one had a RED cover.) > Paperback Published about 6-8 years ago. (Better quality because of > improved copying techniques.) > BYB (and Vol. II) published about 2 years ago. Vol II content is for > shit and not worth the paper upon which it is printed. Vol. I looks > to be about the same as the 1983 edition. > Be very careful of what you buy on eBay. Most advertised as 1983 are > likely the 2005(?) reprint! > Dave > > On Oct 6, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > >> Just reviewing some books that we have in our engine library, and >> Wendel's BRB came to light, albeit with a little surface dust! >> >> I seem to remember Arnie/Dave giving details about the various issues >> and reprints of these, and I wonder if I could prevail upon their >> good >> nature to run the explanation again please? >> >> The one we have is a 'new' 1994 reprint of the 1983 original, but >> there were others I believe, including the one released last year. >> >> Peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > web links. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 00:09:59 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:09:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> On 07/10/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Peter, > BYB, 1983. > BRB 1994 (Poor photo copy of the 1983 book because the 1983 plates > were "lost"--this one had a RED cover.) > Paperback Published about 6-8 years ago. (Better quality because of > improved copying techniques.) > BYB (and Vol. II) published about 2 years ago. Vol II content is for > shit and not worth the paper upon which it is printed. Vol. I looks > to be about the same as the 1983 edition. > Be very careful of what you buy on eBay. Most advertised as 1983 are > likely the 2005(?) reprint! > Dave > Great! Many thanks for that information, Dave, I was wondering about buying Vol II, but maybe not now. I agree with the quality of the images on the 1994 version, so maybe I'd be better off looking for a good original. The leather bound version seems to attract very high bids whenever it comes up, I know I bid for one some years ago and the price went ballistic :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 7 18:59:37 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:59:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Way...... Message-ID: <57C87C53-DB12-4B1E-98A8-DA07F0A8BA74@alltel.net> Arnie and I have loaded engines for YEARS! See: http:// itrocks.biteus.org/amazing-stonehenge-mistery-solved/ Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 7 19:11:15 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:11:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> <6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <627B2A26-C5E3-46AD-8710-B9C1A806C3EC@alltel.net> > Many thanks for that information, Dave, I was wondering about buying > Vol II, but maybe not now. > Peter Buy the damn thing. it's CHEEP and will complete your set! Dave From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Oct 8 06:24:36 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:24:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Way...... In-Reply-To: <57C87C53-DB12-4B1E-98A8-DA07F0A8BA74@alltel.net> Message-ID: Dave: Verrrry eentaresting! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 09:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] The Way...... > > > Arnie and I have loaded engines for YEARS! See: http:// > itrocks.biteus.org/amazing-stonehenge-mistery-solved/ > Dave From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 05:38:59 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] The Way...... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <588698.7875.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That site is only part of the story. Go look at this complete YouTube on that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0 Much more info. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Elden DuRand wrote: Dave: Verrrry eentaresting! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 09:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] The Way...... > > > Arnie and I have loaded engines for YEARS! See: http:// > itrocks.biteus.org/amazing-stonehenge-mistery-solved/ > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 8 09:59:48 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> <6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hiya Peter, A couple of additional details on the Bible. I think all of the leather-bound volumes are serial numbered (300 copies total?) and signed by Wendel. The "new" BYB will have a numeral one on the spine (to match the numeral two on the second volume). An original 80's BYB will not have the numeral on the spine. I agree with others, the content of Vol. 2 doesn't warrent purchase unless one is just trying to get all the volumes for their bookshelf. See ya, Arnie On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 07/10/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > > BYB, 1983. > > BRB 1994 (Poor photo copy of the 1983 book because the 1983 plates > > were "lost"--this one had a RED cover.) > > Paperback Published about 6-8 years ago. (Better quality because of > > improved copying techniques.) > > BYB (and Vol. II) published about 2 years ago. Vol II content is for > > shit and not worth the paper upon which it is printed. Vol. I looks > > to be about the same as the 1983 edition. > > Be very careful of what you buy on eBay. Most advertised as 1983 are > > likely the 2005(?) reprint! > > Many thanks for that information, Dave, I was wondering about buying > Vol II, but maybe not now. > > I agree with the quality of the images on the 1994 version, so maybe > I'd be better off looking for a good original. > > The leather bound version seems to attract very high bids whenever it > comes up, I know I bid for one some years ago and the price went > ballistic :-)) From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 8 09:28:47 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:28:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com><4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net><6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c809c8$52a67910$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > I agree with others, the content of Vol. 2 doesn't warrent purchase unless > one is just trying to get all the volumes for their bookshelf. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dunnoh , that 30ft planer at Allis is pretty neat . Then there's the 150hp v12 Johnson , and I had never seen the Economic before . From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 8 09:55:20 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:55:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <000c01c809c8$52a67910$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com><4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net><6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c809c8$52a67910$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904B1F326@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I'm sure the Vol.2 was discussed when it first came out, but I'll add my opinion as well. I agree with others that it is a terrible book and unless you are wanting a complete set, skip it. It is obvious this was a quickly thrown together book. The book would be only a third to half the size if the same format had been used as in the first volumn books. The new book could be called the Large Print Book as the font size is larger and the leading (spacing between lines) is also larger. Basically a technique to fill up space with less text. The quality of the photos are worse than the BRB. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc > I agree with others, the content of Vol. 2 doesn't warrent purchase > unless one is just trying to get all the volumes for their bookshelf. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dunnoh , that 30ft planer at Allis is pretty neat . Then there's the 150hp v12 Johnson , and I had never seen the Economic before . _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 11:41:06 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:41:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB BRB Etc In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904B1F326@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com> <4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net> <6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c809c8$52a67910$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904B1F326@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160710081141j2471c33cp5b86347a326aa7ab@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2007, Best, George wrote: > > I'm sure the Vol.2 was discussed when it first came out, but I'll add my > opinion as well. > > I agree with others that it is a terrible book and unless you are > wanting a complete set, skip it. > > It is obvious this was a quickly thrown together book. The book would > be only a third to half the size if the same format had been used as in > the first volumn books. The new book could be called the Large Print > Book as the font size is larger and the leading (spacing between lines) > is also larger. Basically a technique to fill up space with less text. > The quality of the photos are worse than the BRB. > > George > George & Arnie: Many thanks for the additional information. We wanted to make sure that we had sufficient information here to be able to recognise and identify any engines that we happened across, be they in the UK or on our visits to Portland. One of the problems we have, with the various series of Portland trip reports that we have put up for viewing, is that very often we will have a picture of an engine that is not identified, so the occasional visitor is left wondering what it is, and why we didn't label it correctly. We hope to be able go through the four year's worth of pictures and remedy this soon. We have now been able to get hold of a 1980's BYB, which we should have soon. We won't bother now with the new issue (Vol II) as it seems by common consent to be not worth buying. I wonder if Chuck Wendel was the architect behind this issue, or his publishers? What happened to the original plates? Dave mentioned thet they were 'lost', any further information on that comment? Thanks again, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 00:18:00 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:18:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ray Hooley - Contact Information Updated Message-ID: <6f6025160710090018m792bd37es70dc3664b464aa2e@mail.gmail.com> Ray has asked me to update his website with his new postal address and email address. He has retained his old telephone number. Full details on his site: http://www.oldengine.org/members/ruston Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Oct 9 00:52:06 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:52:06 +1300 Subject: [SEL] The Way...... In-Reply-To: <588698.7875.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I thought that was really more realistic and believeable than aliens from space theories quite possible given the technology that was available in those times its amazing what he has achieved with such basic tools at his disposal there methods of construction would have to be along similar lines. Brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Alan Bowen Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The Way...... That site is only part of the story. Go look at this complete YouTube on that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0 Much more info. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Elden DuRand wrote: Dave: Verrrry eentaresting! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 09:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] The Way...... > > > Arnie and I have loaded engines for YEARS! See: http:// > itrocks.biteus.org/amazing-stonehenge-mistery-solved/ > Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! 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Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.4/1056 - Release Date: 10/7/2007 6:12 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 9 10:53:35 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam> Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC Message-ID: Hiya Folks, If you're not otherwise committed, this weekend (Fri-Sat-Sun) is the time to point your GPS toward Dallas, NC for Cotton Ginning Days. http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/ There's always a great display of high-quality old iron (see the pictures), a great gathering of engine folks, and of course, the star of the show, an 1800's vintage cotton gin in operation!! And if you're STILL not convinced, the weather is gonna be freakin' gorgeous AND BOTH of the elusive Cloistered Oyster Brothers are rumored to be attending. Damn, it just doesn't get better than this!! 8-)) http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Dallas&state=NC&site=GSP&textField1=35.3147&textField2=-81.1768&e=0 See y'all there!! Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 9 10:21:39 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:21:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC References: Message-ID: <00d001c80a98$db4aac70$6501a8c0@PaulNew> sure do cut a lot of wood there :) Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC > Hiya Folks, > > If you're not otherwise committed, this weekend (Fri-Sat-Sun) is the time > to point your GPS toward Dallas, NC for Cotton Ginning Days. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/ > > There's always a great display of high-quality old iron (see the > pictures), a great gathering of engine folks, and of course, the star of > the show, an 1800's vintage cotton gin in operation!! > > And if you're STILL not convinced, the weather is gonna be freakin' > gorgeous AND BOTH of the elusive Cloistered Oyster Brothers are rumored to > be attending. Damn, it just doesn't get better than this!! 8-)) > http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Dallas&state=NC&site=GSP&textField1=35.3147&textField2=-81.1768&e=0 > > See y'all there!! Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 9 10:26:33 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:26:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] shows Message-ID: <00d701c80a99$8a5305f0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Arie is right, it is getting late in the season and weather is right for shows. I have done 3 shows in Northern Indiana,the last 4 weeks, and have had a ball. I tend to pick on smaller shows, people are always friendly, and it is easy to make new friends. I did the LaGrange, Valparaiso, and Kendallville show, like I said, had a blast. Time is running out, go enjoy. Well for me time is running out, cause with fuel the way it is, going 900 miles to a show is too expensive. Paul Waugh - IN From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 9 11:20:23 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:20:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470BC667.9090903@imc-group.com> Arnie, Thanks so much for doing what I have been woefully remiss at doing. TOO much going on these days setting up a bus bar processing line here at work. BTW the Eagle Continental gin was made in 1900. The frame still has all the original wood on it. Saturday we fired the engine and gin up and ginned a little cotton too. We have a new duct system to remove much of the air blowing at the condensor (collects the ginned cotton) and the air quality in the gin building is much improved. If you like displaying machinery and showing it to the general public this is the show for you. We have 25,000 people attend CGD and most are spectators. There will be lots of wood sawing, shingle cutting, tractor driving, tale tales, a few lies told, great food, and great company to be found at CGD. The SEL gathering point will be the wood sawing area just below the gin and engine building. And while I'm almost afraid to say this out loud, Arnie is right the weather is supposed to be freakin' gorgeous! Highs in the low 70's is going to be a very welcome change after being in the 90's this week (97? yesterday) Rumor also has it that the significant others' of the Cloistered Oyster Brothers are attending as well. Should be loads of fun. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: > Hiya Folks, > > If you're not otherwise committed, this weekend (Fri-Sat-Sun) is the time > to point your GPS toward Dallas, NC for Cotton Ginning Days. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/ > > There's always a great display of high-quality old iron (see the > pictures), a great gathering of engine folks, and of course, the star of > the show, an 1800's vintage cotton gin in operation!! > > And if you're STILL not convinced, the weather is gonna be freakin' > gorgeous AND BOTH of the elusive Cloistered Oyster Brothers are rumored to > be attending. Damn, it just doesn't get better than this!! 8-)) > http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Dallas&state=NC&site=GSP&textField1=35.3147&textField2=-81.1768&e=0 > > See y'all there!! Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 9 13:10:58 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC In-Reply-To: <470BC667.9090903@imc-group.com> References: <470BC667.9090903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Curt wrote: > Too much going on these days setting up a bus bar... Damn, that's EXCELLENT!!!! How many keg taps do you reckon you'll get installed? Are ya gonna do wine on tap and margaritas? How about, in keeping with the event, add a tap for gin & tonic? You guys do go all out to keep the exhibitors happy!!!! BTW, do you plan on having a sponsor for the bus bar? I'll bet that the Yeungling brewery would kick in to have their name prominantly displayed. See ya, Arnie PS - I think that gin & tonic tap will REALLY appeal to the Cloistered Oysters "significant others." 8-))) From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 9 12:38:15 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:38:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC In-Reply-To: References: <470BC667.9090903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <470BD8A7.4020306@imc-group.com> Yes Arnie the SEL party bus is coming along quite well. There will be one keg tap for every window on the bus. Mixers will be handled within, including the show special, the Cotton Gin & Tonic you mentioned. The bus bar is at the show grounds and is right beside the spot designated for Dave's Austral. I'm sure he won't mind. :-) Curt P.S. You haven't seen that picture in a while..... Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Curt, > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Curt wrote: > > >> Too much going on these days setting up a bus bar... >> > > Damn, that's EXCELLENT!!!! How many keg taps do you reckon you'll get > installed? Are ya gonna do wine on tap and margaritas? How about, in > keeping with the event, add a tap for gin & tonic? > > You guys do go all out to keep the exhibitors happy!!!! > > BTW, do you plan on having a sponsor for the bus bar? I'll bet that the > Yeungling brewery would kick in to have their name prominantly displayed. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - I think that gin & tonic tap will REALLY appeal to the Cloistered > Oysters "significant others." 8-))) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 9 13:56:52 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days - Dallas, NC In-Reply-To: <470BD8A7.4020306@imc-group.com> References: <470BC667.9090903@imc-group.com> <470BD8A7.4020306@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hiya Curt, EXCELLENT!!!! Clearly, CGD 2007 is shaping up to rival the year at Portland that featured the caged Aussies. Folks, if you're not there you're gonna wish you had been. It's pretty tough when you're bouncing that grandchild on your knee and they look up all sad and ask "Grandpa, what were YOU doing that caused you to miss CGD 2007?" Those tear-streaked little faces will just rip your heart out. Be there.... See ya, Arnie On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Curt wrote: > Yes Arnie the SEL party bus is coming along quite well. There will be > one keg tap for every window on the bus. Mixers will be handled within, > including the show special, the Cotton Gin & Tonic you mentioned. > The bus bar is at the show grounds and is right beside the spot > designated for Dave's Austral. I'm sure he won't mind. :-) > From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Oct 9 14:36:18 2007 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:36:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20071009142841.03ec0a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From George_Best at adp.com Tue Oct 9 14:48:08 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:48:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20071009142841.03ec0a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20071009142841.03ec0a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904B89C71@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Looks like a vertical Stover to me. Plus Mitchell was a Stover reseller. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:36 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Oct 9 15:31:39 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904B89C71@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <185674.60802.qm@web82015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George I was looking at the Dual Tag and thinking Stover as well. It is a reallly neat photo. But without photos of larger stover verticals to reference here at work, I didn't want to jump in...yet... Steve --- "Best, George" wrote: Looks like a vertical Stover to me. Plus Mitchell was a Stover reseller. George -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Oct 9 16:44:51 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:44:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine Message-ID: Larry, Thanks for posting those old great photos! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Oct 9 18:31:45 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:31:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20071009142841.03ec0a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071010013129.KFMA21110.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I would have to agree that it is an early Stover vertical. The carby is quite distinctive. It would have been an impressive rig to see running especially on a log that size! Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 9 18:50:22 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:50:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine In-Reply-To: <20071010013129.KFMA21110.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071010013129.KFMA21110.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <470C2FDE.6080500@scrtc.com> Wonder how long it would take to saw through a log as big as the one pictured? The Stover drag saw set up would beat the heck out of two men standing on each side of that log pulling a cross cut through it! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >I would have to agree that it is an early Stover vertical. The carby is >quite distinctive. It would have been an impressive rig to see running >especially on a log that size! >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >-----Original Message----- > > >A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of >her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've >been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are >fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early >industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able >to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four >stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in >size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ >to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. > >Thanks, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 9 20:44:48 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:44:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info Message-ID: <470C4AB0.4000400@scrtc.com> Does anyone have a FM catalog that gives engine weight? I need to know what a 12 HP Type N weighs. This is a full base, hit and miss model. Thanks! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Oct 9 21:47:30 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:47:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info Message-ID: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tommy. My catalog No. 91A says approx.. shipping weight is 4,500 lbs. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:44:48 -0400 Judge Tommy Turner writes: > Does anyone have a FM catalog that gives engine weight? I need to > know > what a 12 HP Type N weighs. This is a full base, hit and miss > model. > Thanks! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Oct 10 03:49:07 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:49:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine Message-ID: <101020071049.15980.470CAE23000BF29400003E6C219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Larry, I believe that the ladys father's engine is a Stover 5hp, model "C",1905 vintage, which is identical to mine and if the engine is still around please forward the serial number so I can research more data on it from our club museum library as we have the orginal Stover sales records. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Larry Evans To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:45:14 +0000 > A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of > her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've > been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are > fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early > industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able > to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four > stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in > size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ > to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. > > Thanks, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 10 09:28:07 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:28:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> Thanks Ron. Thats what I need. On a side note, I remember about 25 years ago rolling out of Montana with an 8 HP N in the back of my pickup, a 12 HP N on my trailer (which had a 7000 lb rating) and by the time I got back to KY, I had a total of 28 engines on both. Several were 1 1/2 JDs, a few Economy engines but also on the trailer was a 6 HP Type T FM. I blew 2 tires out in Madison, WI and blew a rim off in IL. When I finally rolled into the house, I noticed one of the wheels sort of leaning over. I unloaded the trailer, jacked it up and when I shook the wheel, it came off in my hands. The bearings were totally shot and it had worn the nut on the end of the spindle down considerably. I had to replace the whole axle and then it was ready for another trip. That old trailer probably has a half million miles on it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Tommy. >My catalog No. 91A says approx.. shipping weight is 4,500 lbs. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:44:48 -0400 Judge Tommy Turner >writes: > > >>Does anyone have a FM catalog that gives engine weight? I need to >>know >>what a 12 HP Type N weighs. This is a full base, hit and miss >>model. >>Thanks! >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 10 10:44:54 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: <470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of engines cross the decks in that same time!! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Thanks Ron. Thats what I need. On a side note, I remember about 25 > years ago rolling out of Montana with an 8 HP N in the back of my > pickup, a 12 HP N on my trailer (which had a 7000 lb rating) and by the > time I got back to KY, I had a total of 28 engines on both. Several > were 1 1/2 JDs, a few Economy engines but also on the trailer was a 6 HP > Type T FM. I blew 2 tires out in Madison, WI and blew a rim off in IL. > When I finally rolled into the house, I noticed one of the wheels sort > of leaning over. I unloaded the trailer, jacked it up and when I shook > the wheel, it came off in my hands. The bearings were totally shot and > it had worn the nut on the end of the spindle down considerably. I had > to replace the whole axle and then it was ready for another trip. That > old trailer probably has a half million miles on it. From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Wed Oct 10 09:56:43 2007 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:56:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002a01c80b5e$88f9c200$1402a8c0@Waynexp> "I'll bet that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of engines cross the decks in that same time!!" Arnie, is that today's prices or the price's when they crossed? Only Tommy knows for sure!! Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info Hi Tommy, ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of engines cross the decks in that same time!! See ya, Arnie On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Thanks Ron. Thats what I need. On a side note, I remember about 25 > years ago rolling out of Montana with an 8 HP N in the back of my > pickup, a 12 HP N on my trailer (which had a 7000 lb rating) and by the > time I got back to KY, I had a total of 28 engines on both. Several > were 1 1/2 JDs, a few Economy engines but also on the trailer was a 6 HP > Type T FM. I blew 2 tires out in Madison, WI and blew a rim off in IL. > When I finally rolled into the house, I noticed one of the wheels sort > of leaning over. I unloaded the trailer, jacked it up and when I shook > the wheel, it came off in my hands. The bearings were totally shot and > it had worn the nut on the end of the spindle down considerably. I had > to replace the whole axle and then it was ready for another trip. That > old trailer probably has a half million miles on it. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 10 10:38:53 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:38:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <470D0E2D.9080503@scrtc.com> Arnie, I've kept a running total that I give to my wife after each engine trip. Looks like the total thus far is about $900. ;-) Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Tommy, > >ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet >that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of >engines cross the decks in that same time!! > >See ya, Arnie > >On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>Thanks Ron. Thats what I need. On a side note, I remember about 25 >>years ago rolling out of Montana with an 8 HP N in the back of my >>pickup, a 12 HP N on my trailer (which had a 7000 lb rating) and by the >>time I got back to KY, I had a total of 28 engines on both. Several >>were 1 1/2 JDs, a few Economy engines but also on the trailer was a 6 HP >>Type T FM. I blew 2 tires out in Madison, WI and blew a rim off in IL. >>When I finally rolled into the house, I noticed one of the wheels sort >>of leaning over. I unloaded the trailer, jacked it up and when I shook >>the wheel, it came off in my hands. The bearings were totally shot and >>it had worn the nut on the end of the spindle down considerably. I had >>to replace the whole axle and then it was ready for another trip. That >>old trailer probably has a half million miles on it. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 10 13:29:29 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: <470D0E2D.9080503@scrtc.com> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> <470D0E2D.9080503@scrtc.com> Message-ID: ROFLMAO!!! Tommy! Stop it! My ribs hurt! I've also kept a log book of what all I've spent & received in my time in the hobby. I've never totaled it up. I REALLY don't want to know! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I've kept a running total that I give to my wife after each engine > trip. Looks like the total thus far is about $900. ;-) > > Arnie Fero wrote: > >ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet > >that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of > >engines cross the decks in that same time!! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Oct 10 14:16:24 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:16:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001901c80b82$d548c830$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Arnie, you should relate to that! I remember a trailer at Baraboo........... And another pic I saw had a transport with odd looking angles on the wheels. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > Hi Tommy, > > ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet > that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of > engines cross the decks in that same time!! > > See ya, Arnie From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Oct 10 15:40:56 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:40:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married to an old man!! Marg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 10 16:03:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:03:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Hi Marg, Only 72? My doG I would have believed at lear 15 years older than that. He must have been ridden hard and put away wet more than once! And the guy is married to such a young looking women! Dave PS, Happy birthday Reg! On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:40 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I > am married > to an old man!! Marg From clemsweller at etczone.com Wed Oct 10 18:01:51 2007 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:01:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001701c80ba2$4f143130$ed3c9390$@com> Happy birthday Reg! Hope to see you at Portland again next year! Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:41 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married to an old man!! Marg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 8:43 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 8:43 AM From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Oct 10 18:23:57 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:23:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001701c80ba2$4f143130$ed3c9390$@com> Message-ID: <008a01c80ba6$32073930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thanks mate. I am planning to get over in 08. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > Happy birthday Reg! Hope to see you at Portland again next year! > > Chuck Emsweller > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am > married > > to an old man!! Marg > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: > 10/10/2007 > 8:43 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: > 10/10/2007 > 8:43 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Oct 10 18:50:37 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:50:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info In-Reply-To: <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: On Oct 10, 2007, at 3:40 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I > am married > to an old man!! Marg Hi Marg, The best wishes go to YOU for putting up with that ol' borsted for all these years. Don't write off Reg just cuz he's old. With modern technology, he's probably got a few good years left in him. http:// tinyurl.com/2oulfl xo, Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 19:58:53 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <895315.90824.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW, I am reliving the old days then some,,,,, I joined a survivalist yahoo list yesterday. Over 700 new emails in 36 hours. I am stunned. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Alan Bowen wrote: Hi Folks, I was just thinking about when I joined this list. I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. What do you figure the difference is now? My vote is SmokeStak. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Oct 10 20:36:12 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:36:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Remember the old days? In-Reply-To: <895315.90824.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <960393.2583.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <895315.90824.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071010233524.03464b00@pop3.wcoil.com> With the troubling times, survival skills is a hot topic. Mark At 10:58 PM 10/10/07, you wrote: >WOW, >I am reliving the old days then some,,,,, >I joined a survivalist yahoo list yesterday. >Over 700 new emails in 36 hours. >I am stunned. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > >Alan Bowen wrote: Hi Folks, > > >I was just thinking about when I joined this list. >I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. >That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. >I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. > >What do you figure the difference is now? > >My vote is SmokeStak. > >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > >--------------------------------- >Building a website is a piece of cake. >Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Oct 11 11:43:17 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:43:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info & SEL Charity Auction. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470E6EC5.8020003@databak.co.za> > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:38:53 -0400 > From: Judge Tommy Turner > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info Arnie, I've kept a running total that I give to my wife after each engine trip. Looks like the total thus far is about $900. ;-) Tommy Turner Great one Tommy :-), And, of course, you being a judge 'n all who is to doubt your word? Almost like saying "It's gotta be true - I saw it on T.V." P.S. Tommy I'm still waiting for details for the brass plates that you bought (and paid for) on last years Charity auction. Nearly time for this years auction !! When does the new auction start - last years one was a lot of fun. I'm wondering what to put on this years auction - probably a few more brass plates and some decals (anyone need a few Maytag Decals?)I've gotta look at things that will not be too expensive to post from South Africa. Keep well Jerry >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:29:29 -0400 (EDT) > From: Arnie Fero > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > ROFLMAO!!! Tommy! Stop it! My ribs hurt! > I've also kept a log book of what all I've spent & received in my time in > the hobby. I've never totaled it up. I REALLY don't want to know! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> I've kept a running total that I give to my wife after each engine >> trip. Looks like the total thus far is about $900. ;-) >> >> Arnie Fero wrote: >>> ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet >>> that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of >>> engines cross the decks in that same time!! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:16:24 +1000 > From: "R & M Ingold" > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Message-ID: <001901c80b82$d548c830$0401a8c0 at reg6db4351094b> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Arnie, you should relate to that! > I remember a trailer at Baraboo........... > And another pic I saw had a transport with odd looking angles on the wheels. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 3:44 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > > >> Hi Tommy, >> >> ROFLMAO!! Great story! In addition to that half-million miles, I'll bet >> that good ol' trailer has seen at least a half-million dollars worth of >> engines cross the decks in that same time!! >> >> See ya, Arnie > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:40:56 +1000 > From: "R & M Ingold" > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Message-ID: <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0 at reg6db4351094b> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married > to an old man!! Marg > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:03:30 -0400 > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi Marg, > Only 72? My doG I would have believed at lear 15 years older than > that. He must have been ridden hard and put away wet more than once! > And the guy is married to such a young looking women! > Dave > PS, Happy birthday Reg! > > On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:40 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I >> am married >> to an old man!! Marg > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:01:51 -0400 > From: "chuck emsweller" > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Message-ID: <001701c80ba2$4f143130$ed3c9390$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Happy birthday Reg! Hope to see you at Portland again next year! > > Chuck Emsweller > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married > > to an old man!! Marg > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 > 8:43 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 > 8:43 AM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:23:57 +1000 > From: "R & M Ingold" > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Message-ID: <008a01c80ba6$32073930$0401a8c0 at reg6db4351094b> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thanks mate. I am planning to get over in 08. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > > >> Happy birthday Reg! Hope to see you at Portland again next year! >> >> Chuck Emsweller >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:41 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info >> >> Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am >> married >> >> to an old man!! Marg >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: >> 10/10/2007 >> 8:43 AM >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: >> 10/10/2007 >> 8:43 AM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:50:37 -0700 > From: Rob Skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > On Oct 10, 2007, at 3:40 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I >> am married >> to an old man!! Marg > > > Hi Marg, > The best wishes go to YOU for putting up with that ol' borsted for > all these years. Don't write off Reg just cuz he's old. With modern > technology, he's probably got a few good years left in him. http:// > tinyurl.com/2oulfl > > xo, > Rob > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:58:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alan Bowen > Subject: Re: [SEL] Remember the old days? > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: <895315.90824.qm at web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > WOW, > I am reliving the old days then some,,,,, > I joined a survivalist yahoo list yesterday. > Over 700 new emails in 36 hours. > I am stunned. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > Alan Bowen wrote: Hi Folks, > > > I was just thinking about when I joined this list. > I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. > That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. > I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. > > What do you figure the difference is now? > > My vote is SmokeStak. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:36:12 -0400 > From: Mark Shulaw > Subject: Re: [SEL] Remember the old days? > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071010233524.03464b00 at pop3.wcoil.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > With the troubling times, survival skills is a hot topic. Mark > > At 10:58 PM 10/10/07, you wrote: >> WOW, >> I am reliving the old days then some,,,,, >> I joined a survivalist yahoo list yesterday. >> Over 700 new emails in 36 hours. >> I am stunned. >> >> Alan Bowen >> Williamsburg, Michigan >> >> Alan Bowen wrote: Hi Folks, >> >> >> I was just thinking about when I joined this list. >> I was amazed to get between 80 and 100 emails a day. >> That probably was both the SEL and "Jim's list", but that was a lot of emails. >> I was on my WebTv then and it was hard to handle all that email. >> >> What do you figure the difference is now? >> >> My vote is SmokeStak. >> >> Alan Bowen >> Williamsburg, Michigan >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Building a website is a piece of cake. >> Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > End of SEL Digest, Vol 43, Issue 11 > *********************************** > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Oct 11 11:59:25 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:59:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Birthday_Boy=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470E728D.60106@databak.co.za> Message: 7 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:40:56 +1000 From: "R & M Ingold" Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Type N Info To: "The SEL email discussion list" Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married to an old man!! Marg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold HAPPY (BELATED) BIRTHDAY REG, I wish you many more - could'nt happen to a nicer guy. Marg, watch out about calling Reg "Old" or he could start using my philosophy, "All the girls my age are 'so old' ". Reg, Jacqui (my daughter) and I really wish you everything of the best for your birthday - have something in one of those wine glass oilers on us - preferably a good Red! Keep well, Jerry From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu Oct 11 16:20:51 2007 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:20:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Big drag saw with vertical engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20071009142841.03ec0a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20071009142841.03ec0a00@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20071011161925.04b2b820@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi again...... Thanks for the responses. Looks like it is a Stover 5 hp. engine. I have found out that there is a good possibility that this beast still exists and if so I will try to get current pictures of it. Curt, if I can get numbers off of the engine I will get back to you. Regards, Larry At 02:36 PM 10/9/2007, you wrote: >A lady in Portland, Oregon found some pictures in her family archives of >her grandfather with a very large drag saw with a vertical engine. I've >been trying to help her find some information regarding the saw and we are >fairly certain that it was sold by Mitchell Lewis & Staver, a very early >industrial supplier in the Pacific Northwest. So far I have not been able >to figure out who actually made the engine. It is a single cylinder four >stroke vertical engine that appears that it might be around 5 hp. in >size. It is really an impressive looking saw unit. Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mitchel/ >to see the pictures she found and let me know if you have any ideas. > >Thanks, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 11 19:03:18 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:03:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reggie In-Reply-To: <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20071009.214730.1272.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><470CFD97.8080406@scrtc.com> <000e01c80b8e$a1d547b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <1192154598.470ed5e6d9690@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Marg, I guess Reg being SOOOO much older is why he keeps bragging about having a "trophy wife." Reg, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! See ya, Arnie PS - 72 ain't old (if you're a TREE)!! 8-)) Quoting R & M Ingold : > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married > to an old man!! Marg From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 11 19:32:18 2007 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:32:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Paint Question Message-ID: <011d01c80c78$1cbc2400$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> I'm working on a 3 HP Leader engine and like to know what color these were. The tag says Leader Engine Works but everything else points to a late 1922 or early 23 Stover "W" . Would these of been a Leader color or Stover probably dark green color? Thanks Dick Bauer From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Oct 12 00:17:47 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:17:47 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Reggie In-Reply-To: <1192154598.470ed5e6d9690@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie they are only jealous congratulations on your birthday what more can a man want a young beautiful wife at his side to admire all those lovely stationary engines together may you keep those smoke stacks a puffin for many years to come. brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Reggie G'day Marg, I guess Reg being SOOOO much older is why he keeps bragging about having a "trophy wife." Reg, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! See ya, Arnie PS - 72 ain't old (if you're a TREE)!! 8-)) Quoting R & M Ingold : > Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am married > to an old man!! Marg _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1064 - Release Date: 10/11/2007 3:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1064 - Release Date: 10/11/2007 3:09 PM From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Oct 12 01:31:55 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:31:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Reggie References: Message-ID: <01f301c80cab$bf5ccc90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Dunno quite what you said, but, thanks anyway!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Reggie > Arnie they are only jealous congratulations on your birthday what more can > a > man want a young beautiful wife at his side to admire all those lovely > stationary engines together may you keep those smoke stacks a puffin for > many years to come. brent > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:03 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Reggie > > > G'day Marg, > > I guess Reg being SOOOO much older is why he keeps bragging about having a > "trophy wife." Reg, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - 72 ain't old (if you're a TREE)!! 8-)) > > Quoting R & M Ingold : > >> Hello Arnie, just thought you all should know, Reg is 72 today, I am > married >> to an old man!! Marg > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1064 - Release Date: > 10/11/2007 > 3:09 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1064 - Release Date: > 10/11/2007 > 3:09 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Sat Oct 13 05:06:11 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:36:11 +0930 Subject: [SEL] Roseworthy References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech><000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos><6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com><000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos> <7.0.1.0.1.20070925075054.01b00c30@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000c01c80d91$739e91d0$40caae3a@chaos> Pictures from the Gawler Machinery clubs show at Roseworthy Agriculture College museum http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32597268&f= From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sat Oct 13 15:26:28 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:26:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] gas tank cap Message-ID: <013801c80de8$1a1a3cc0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> I lost my original gas cap going down the road. I have not had much luck finding a replacement. Starbolt has one that measure 1 3/4 in across, mine is 2 1/4 in across. I would really like to keep as original as possible and not replace the entire 'nipple' and cap. There are ways to make a new cap look old. Looking for ideas or places to purchase. 'Yes' answers are welcome, but more information does help. :) Paul Waugh From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 13 15:50:49 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:50:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gas tank cap References: <013801c80de8$1a1a3cc0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <005201c80deb$80731340$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Rolled threads ? I. D. or OD flanged ? ////////// >I lost my original gas cap going down the road. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 13 15:59:26 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:59:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1918 FWD Model B Truck References: <6f6025160710060704i25d757f4hc780a68d59bcbbd6@mail.gmail.com><4ED9C3D1-ED3C-47BC-8C15-7896B4E2FEEB@alltel.net><6f6025160710070009m7c5233f5u45f1535a1c1ddf89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005301c80dec$b4cc7400$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Yeah its rough looking with lace tin , powdered wood , and solid cast wheels , sitting out in the brush down in the Valley . My buddy will be draggin it in soon and asked me if I knew anybody that might know somebody that frequents a message board or any offiicianado sites on the net for ww1 truck stuff . I fed him a BS line about Pershing rolling a couple dozen model B's through here on his way to greet Pancho Villa and he is absolutely drunk with that possibility multiplying the thrill of finding it with his bulldozer . (He has completed an IHC Highwheeler, and will eventually figure out that Black Jack's party was over by 1917 ) But to see him swoon ! Yeah Im a cad , but we both needed a little fun . There are a bunch of old well locations on the same property and I am waiting for him to report back with his finding a big Krueger Atlas or something more mundane . Maybe a Hae Gang even ? Lol Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/Failure.html From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sat Oct 13 16:45:53 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:45:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] gas tank cap References: <013801c80de8$1a1a3cc0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <005201c80deb$80731340$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <014a01c80df3$31cc5d70$6501a8c0@PaulNew> I guess they are rolled thread, no sharp edges .. 2 1/4 in is the approx I.D. of the cap itself Thanks Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] gas tank cap > Rolled threads ? I. D. or OD flanged ? > > > ////////// > > >>I lost my original gas cap going down the road. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Oct 13 18:28:00 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:28:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] gas tank cap In-Reply-To: <013801c80de8$1a1a3cc0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> References: <013801c80de8$1a1a3cc0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <1192325280.471170a08a41b@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Paul, Check with John Wanat (the fuel tank & cooling tank guy). He might be able to fix you up. See ya, Arnie Quoting Paul Waugh : > I lost my original gas cap going down the road. I have not had much luck > finding a replacement. Starbolt has one that measure 1 3/4 in across, mine is > 2 1/4 in across. I would really like to keep as original as possible and not > replace the entire 'nipple' and cap. There are ways to make a new cap look > old. Looking for ideas or places to purchase. 'Yes' answers are welcome, > but more information does help. :) From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Oct 13 23:13:07 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:13:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Roseworthy References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech><000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos><6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com><000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos><7.0.1.0.1.20070925075054.01b00c30@ncable.com.au> <000c01c80d91$739e91d0$40caae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <002e01c80e29$49d1e6c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks for posting Derek. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Roseworthy > Pictures from the Gawler Machinery clubs show at Roseworthy Agriculture > College museum > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32597268&f= > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Oct 15 04:12:21 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:12:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama Message-ID: <002801c80f1c$41c0bb70$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All Does anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama ? Peter, Oz From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 04:30:52 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 04:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama In-Reply-To: <002801c80f1c$41c0bb70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <11950.22286.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My first guess would be YES. I haven't heard of any toxic fallout that would have driven every single person away from there. 8>)) So sorry, It is just the mood I am in,,,, Alan Peter Lowe wrote: Hi All Does anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama ? Peter, Oz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Oct 15 04:43:42 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:43:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Roseworthy In-Reply-To: <000c01c80d91$739e91d0$40caae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <20071015114343.XDAH12143.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> There are some nice engines there. Thanks for the pics. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Pictures from the Gawler Machinery clubs show at Roseworthy Agriculture College museum http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32597268&f= From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Oct 15 05:03:59 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:03:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama References: <11950.22286.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006101c80f23$78638840$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Alan We all have those moments of weakness ;-))) Steve lives in Huntsville and is looking after it for me. Peter, Oz > My first guess would be YES. > I haven't heard of any toxic fallout that would have driven every single > person away from there. 8>)) > > So sorry, It is just the mood I am in,,,, > Alan > > Peter Lowe wrote: Hi All > > Does anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama ? > > Peter, Oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get > listings, and more! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 15 07:21:00 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:21:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine Message-ID: <20071015.104115.904.11.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, I received the following e-mail from Jessie who probably saw my website. I am forwarding it to anyone who might be interested. The area code is Arkansas. Maybe someone can help. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Jessie Gellen" To: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:05:43 -0500 Subject: witte 4 h p engine Message-ID: <000601c80e84$74a93fa0$01fea8c0 at compaq> I HAVE A OLD WITTE ENGINE .IT IS A4 H P AND 550 SPEED WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF.PLEASE CALL 870-741-2547. From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Oct 15 10:25:18 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results In-Reply-To: <006101c80f23$78638840$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <331187.64180.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good Afternoon... I went to an engine auction over the weekend in Boscobel, WI. Over 100 engines (and motors / Maytag Boat Anchors, etc) were sold. Results at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007Boscobel1.htm Enjoy.... Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 15 10:45:34 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:45:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama References: <002801c80f1c$41c0bb70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001c01c80f53$31413b80$240110ac@FAMILY> Peter, I live about a 5 hour drive from Huntsville. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:12 AM Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama > Hi All > > Does anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama ? > > Peter, Oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 15 10:58:12 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:58:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results References: <331187.64180.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007201c80f54$f460c030$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Steve, I really enjoyed looking at the items and the prices. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results > Good Afternoon... > > I went to an engine auction over the weekend in Boscobel, WI. Over 100 > engines (and motors / Maytag Boat Anchors, etc) were sold. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 15 11:14:42 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:14:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results References: <331187.64180.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c80f57$428baac0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I did thanks , that Davis is the bees knees > Enjoy.... > > Steve From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 15 11:54:36 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:54:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results In-Reply-To: <000a01c80f57$428baac0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <331187.64180.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000a01c80f57$428baac0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <4713B76C.9040206@scrtc.com> Seeing the Davis makes me realize the ID of a flywheel that I have. I never knew what it was off of. Thanks for the photos and info Steve. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I did thanks , that Davis is the bees knees > > > >>Enjoy.... >> >>Steve >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 13:08:42 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results In-Reply-To: <331187.64180.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <428857.22261.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Steve, In this picture I don't see any Ottawa parts. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007Boscobel/104.jpg Those log saw parts are telling me they are Hercules. I have the Ottawa and someplace around here I think I have those Hercules parts too. Ottawa didn't use that chain drive. AFAIK Maybe a very early Ottawa ??????? I don't have any info on them. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Steve Barr wrote: Good Afternoon... I went to an engine auction over the weekend in Boscobel, WI. Over 100 engines (and motors / Maytag Boat Anchors, etc) were sold. Results at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007Boscobel1.htm Enjoy.... Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. From ottawa at pa.net Mon Oct 15 13:45:10 2007 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:45:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results References: <428857.22261.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d901c80f6c$47fff320$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Alan, that sure looks like the Ottawa counter weight to me. I think maybe it was something that was "cobbled" together. That is possibly what Steve saw. My gosh, his service is free! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Bowen To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results Hi Steve, In this picture I don't see any Ottawa parts. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007Boscobel/104.jpg Those log saw parts are telling me they are Hercules. I have the Ottawa and someplace around here I think I have those Hercules parts too. Ottawa didn't use that chain drive. AFAIK Maybe a very early Ottawa ??????? I don't have any info on them. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Steve Barr wrote: Good Afternoon... I went to an engine auction over the weekend in Boscobel, WI. Over 100 engines (and motors / Maytag Boat Anchors, etc) were sold. Results at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007Boscobel1.htm Enjoy.... Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mraasch at hickorytech.net Mon Oct 15 14:44:50 2007 From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (marc) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:44:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Roseworthy References: <000f01c7fe9e$7c218d50$0601a8c0@altech><000c01c7feae$d7a30c20$b4c9ae3a@chaos><6.2.1.2.1.20070924095226.03054eb0@pop3.wcoil.com><000801c7feb5$9d2c4b90$b4c9ae3a@chaos><7.0.1.0.1.20070925075054.01b00c30@ncable.com.au> <000c01c80d91$739e91d0$40caae3a@chaos> Message-ID: <006301c80f74$9d9834c0$3bb91845@InsigniaPC> Hi "derek" I was looking at your pictures from the Gawler Machinery club. I was looking at picture # 10 which looks like a fuller & johnson. The one i have looks like the intake vale is too short and the spring is too short too strong to open to let gas in.I don't have a name plate. The throttle is also missing. I will email you a picture and see what you think. Thank Great pictures. mraasch at hickorytech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:06 AM Subject: [SEL] Roseworthy > Pictures from the Gawler Machinery clubs show at Roseworthy Agriculture > College museum > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4471407&a=32597268&f= > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.10/1070 - Release Date: > 10/14/2007 9:22 AM > From astfgl at iamnota.org Mon Oct 15 14:55:50 2007 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:55:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Imperial Super Diesel info request Message-ID: <4713E1E6.1020207@iamnota.org> I'm in the process of buying an AH McDonald Imperial Super Diesel, number 4208FF. It's in fairly good condition, lots of surface rust but turns freely. The stop lever is broken in a couple of places and the fuel tank has been crushed from above, but other than that it looks fine. I'd appreciate any info on this engine, particularly weight as I have to put it onto a trailer in a few weeks to get it home. Cheers, glen. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 16:10:03 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results In-Reply-To: <00d901c80f6c$47fff320$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <84948.55952.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ya sure, Helen. I bow to your knowledge. However, When I first saw my Hercules saw parts I told the guy it sure looks like they ripped off Ottawa. I am now gonna wait to see if Steve speaks up and says the Ottawa name was cast into it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan George/Helen Myers wrote: Alan, that sure looks like the Ottawa counter weight to me. I think maybe it was something that was "cobbled" together. That is possibly what Steve saw. My gosh, his service is free! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Bowen To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results Hi Steve, In this picture I don't see any Ottawa parts. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007Boscobel/104.jpg Those log saw parts are telling me they are Hercules. I have the Ottawa and someplace around here I think I have those Hercules parts too. Ottawa didn't use that chain drive. AFAIK Maybe a very early Ottawa ??????? I don't have any info on them. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Steve Barr wrote: Good Afternoon... I went to an engine auction over the weekend in Boscobel, WI. Over 100 engines (and motors / Maytag Boat Anchors, etc) were sold. Results at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2007Boscobel1.htm Enjoy.... Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 15 16:28:18 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:28:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine References: <20071015.104115.904.11.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00a301c80f83$122d4bf0$240110ac@FAMILY> Hello Joe, I live in North Central Arkansas and the 870 prefix is in my adjoining county. I just tried to call the man to see where the engine is located and what he wants for it and got no answer. I will try again later. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine Hi List, I received the following e-mail from Jessie who probably saw my website. I am forwarding it to anyone who might be interested. The area code is Arkansas. Maybe someone can help. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Jessie Gellen" To: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:05:43 -0500 Subject: witte 4 h p engine Message-ID: <000601c80e84$74a93fa0$01fea8c0 at compaq> I HAVE A OLD WITTE ENGINE .IT IS A4 H P AND 550 SPEED WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF.PLEASE CALL 870-741-2547. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Oct 15 17:25:07 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results In-Reply-To: <84948.55952.qm@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <240176.75559.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alan If you look at the photo, you can se the raised area where Ottawa was cast in it. Steve --- Alan Bowen wrote: Ya sure, Helen. I bow to your knowledge. However, When I first saw my Hercules saw parts I told the guy it sure looks like they ripped off Ottawa. I am now gonna wait to see if Steve speaks up and says the Ottawa name was cast into it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan George/Helen Myers wrote: Alan, that sure looks like the Ottawa counter weight to me. I think maybe it was something that was "cobbled" together. That is possibly what Steve saw. My gosh, his service is free! Helen http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007Boscobel/104.jpg From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 15 20:04:06 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:04:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine Message-ID: <20071015.231650.856.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Paul, Hope it works out for you. Let me know. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:28:18 -0500 "Paul Maples" writes: > Hello Joe, > > I live in North Central Arkansas and the 870 prefix is in my > adjoining > county. I just tried to call the man to see where the engine is > located and > what he wants for it and got no answer. I will try again later. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:21 AM > Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine > > > Hi List, > I received the following e-mail from Jessie who probably saw my > website. > I am forwarding it to anyone who might be interested. > The area code is Arkansas. > Maybe someone can help. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything > (_o_) except how to refold it". > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: "Jessie Gellen" > To: > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:05:43 -0500 > Subject: witte 4 h p engine > Message-ID: <000601c80e84$74a93fa0$01fea8c0 at compaq> > > I HAVE A OLD WITTE ENGINE .IT IS A4 H P AND 550 SPEED WOULD LIKE TO > GET > RID OF.PLEASE CALL > 870-741-2547. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 15 20:32:08 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:32:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine References: <20071015.231650.856.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <005901c80fa5$225d4ee0$240110ac@FAMILY> Hello Joe, Unless it was almost a give-away I would not be interested but I thought I would try and get the info and put it out on the list and if a list member bought it I could store it for as long as they needed me to. I have been calling him ever since 9:15 PM all the way to 9:50 PM and his line was busy, it is now too late for me to call him. He may have been talking to a buyer. Anyway it goes I will let you know if I can get a hold of him. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine Hi Paul, Hope it works out for you. Let me know. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:28:18 -0500 "Paul Maples" writes: > Hello Joe, > > I live in North Central Arkansas and the 870 prefix is in my > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 16 05:48:22 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:48:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: witte 4 h p engine References: <20071015.231650.856.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <006001c80ff2$d62dfee0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> ding . a late model condensor cooled Witte just showed up at me knackers yard . From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 06:02:23 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 06:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results In-Reply-To: <240176.75559.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <770721.24239.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay, Doubts removed. Sorry, Steve at that angle I couldn't tell what it had on it. Alan Steve Barr wrote: Alan If you look at the photo, you can se the raised area where Ottawa was cast in it. Steve --- Alan Bowen wrote: Ya sure, Helen. I bow to your knowledge. However, When I first saw my Hercules saw parts I told the guy it sure looks like they ripped off Ottawa. I am now gonna wait to see if Steve speaks up and says the Ottawa name was cast into it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan George/Helen Myers wrote: Alan, that sure looks like the Ottawa counter weight to me. I think maybe it was something that was "cobbled" together. That is possibly what Steve saw. My gosh, his service is free! Helen http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007Boscobel/104.jpg _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. From ottawa at pa.net Tue Oct 16 07:20:25 2007 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:20:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results References: <770721.24239.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <069201c80fff$b266ae50$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Alan, you are correct, the sprocket that was on the mechanism did not appear to be Ottawa.....Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Bowen To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results Okay, Doubts removed. Sorry, Steve at that angle I couldn't tell what it had on it. Alan Steve Barr wrote: Alan If you look at the photo, you can se the raised area where Ottawa was cast in it. Steve --- Alan Bowen wrote: Ya sure, Helen. I bow to your knowledge. However, When I first saw my Hercules saw parts I told the guy it sure looks like they ripped off Ottawa. I am now gonna wait to see if Steve speaks up and says the Ottawa name was cast into it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan George/Helen Myers wrote: Alan, that sure looks like the Ottawa counter weight to me. I think maybe it was something that was "cobbled" together. That is possibly what Steve saw. My gosh, his service is free! Helen http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/2007Boscobel/104.jpg _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Oct 16 11:55:28 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:55:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up Message-ID: Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 12:08:52 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:08:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Stuff On The Website Message-ID: <6f6025160710161208q28864745kd64256c752ee45c6@mail.gmail.com> We have been adding more bits to the website recently: Kohler 1925 Sales brochure for their generators -Entry is on the Kohler Menu Lister Start-O-Matic generator operating book and parts list - Entry on the Technical Menu Coventry-Climax 3.5kVA Gennies (new toys!) - New Icon on the main page Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 16 13:22:07 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hiya Luke, DAMN, you DO have "the eye" for a great photo. portland23 thru portland25 are BRILLIANT!! Anyone have any background on that set of pics? See ya, Arnie On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my > disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk > with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.html From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 16 12:57:02 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:57:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4715178E.3000702@imc-group.com> Hey Luke, Looks like we are both on Pete's "list" now. I took and posted nearly the exact same photos! Ditto Arnie's comments on the photos 23 - 25. I immediately forwarded these to some engine friends who had a new grandbaby on Saturday night. Won't be long 'till their young one is doing the same. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: > Hiya Luke, > > DAMN, you DO have "the eye" for a great photo. > portland23 thru portland25 are BRILLIANT!! > Anyone have any background on that set of pics? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > >> Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my >> disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk >> with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 16 13:35:48 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:35:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up References: Message-ID: <000f01c81034$22eefa90$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > DAMN, you DO have "the eye" for a great photo.>>> and I think he snapped my neighbor , Brother Polasek http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland97.html From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 16 16:24:55 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:24:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up References: <4715178E.3000702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002101c8104b$c3efe690$f04d0b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up > Hey Luke, > Looks like we are both on Pete's "list" now. I took and posted nearly > the exact same photos! > Ditto Arnie's comments on the photos 23 - 25. I immediately forwarded > these to some engine friends who had a new grandbaby on Saturday night. > Won't be long 'till their young one is doing the same. > Curt Hi Curt, Martin Stevens posted on OldEngine that his son Owen was born on the 13th of Sept. He said he hoped he was going to be an engine man so I posted him a little starter. (A 4 & 5 BA King Dick spanner). Martin posted me this picture of Owen http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2273485410028520097YuXUNV That looks a good start for a young engineer. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 16 16:38:54 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:38:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up References: Message-ID: <012601c8104d$b767d2a0$240110ac@FAMILY> Nice pictures Luke, thanks for sharing them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 16 20:53:48 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:53:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama In-Reply-To: <002801c80f1c$41c0bb70$0601a8c0@altech> References: <002801c80f1c$41c0bb70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: > Hi All > > Does anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama ? > > Peter, Oz Hi Peter, The answer to your question is a resounding YES! Dave From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Oct 16 21:50:07 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:50:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama References: <002801c80f1c$41c0bb70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <001d01c81079$31428770$0601a8c0@altech> >> Hi All >> >> Does anyone live near Huntsville, Alabama ? >> >> Peter, Oz > > Hi Peter, The answer to your question is a resounding YES! > Dave Oh Evil One, I left myself open there didn't I !!!!!!!! ;-))) Peter, Oz From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 17 05:59:13 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:59:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results References: <331187.64180.qm@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000a01c80f57$428baac0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <4713B76C.9040206@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Didn't Galloway buy out Davis and that's why we see the Vertical in the Gal Red Book? RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Boscobel WI Auction Results > Seeing the Davis makes me realize the ID of a flywheel that I have. I > never knew what it was off of. Thanks for the photos and info Steve. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >I did thanks , that Davis is the bees knees > > > > > > > >>Enjoy.... > >> > >>Steve > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Oct 17 06:16:10 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:16:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arnie, These people were set up just down the aisle from us toward the food. I was coming back from lunch one time and saw the youngster all over the engine. I stood and watched for a good 5 minutes. I didn't have my camera and figured by the time I ran back to get it he would have been done playing engine. Well the next day the little guy was at it again and I had my camera this time. He actually would monkey with the needle valve and choke plate, try to push in the valves and then walk around and try to spin the flywheels over. It was great to watch him operate!Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA==========================> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:22:07 -0400> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up> > Hiya Luke,> > DAMN, you DO have "the eye" for a great photo.> portland23 thru portland25 are BRILLIANT!!> Anyone have any background on that set of pics?> > See ya, Arnie> > On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Luke Tonneberger wrote:> > > Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my> > disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk> > with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here:> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.html _________________________________________________________________ Boo!?Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews From oldengineman at hotmail.com Wed Oct 17 11:16:04 2007 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:16:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, Thanks for putting the Portland pictures up. Contrary to what Curt may think, neither you nor he is on any of my lists, other than my list of friends. I am always glad to demonstrate a proven technique for coping with the excitement of an engine show when it starts to become overwhelming. I learned this from a master -- see photo 96 in your Portland pictures. 'til later, Pete Stauffer> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:55:28 +0000> Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up> > > Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA> _________________________________________________________________> Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today.> http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ? together at last. ?Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 17 11:41:52 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:41:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017201208.00b81380@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >From: Luke Tonneberger >Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up > >Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my >disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk >with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke >TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA Hi Luke, Your pics are really good - congratulations. Thanks for going to the trouble. You say it's an old Mavica - I'm tempted to say "good camera" but of course it's not the camera. it's the photographer! When I was a "short one" my Dad often teased my Mom when she prepared a particularly good meal - he'd say "This meat is really nice, where did you buy it?". Of course her retort was "It's not where I bought it that's important, but how I prepared it!". In similar vein I get pretty peeved when I make something good (usually woodwork) in my workshop and some idiot says "Hell you really are lucky to have all these nice tools". Luck has nothing to do with it, I've worked long and hard to buy every tool or machine that I have but if I did not know how to use them they would be worthless! Then of course there is also the classic one. Someone once said to Gary Player (our South African world class golfer). "Hell Gary, you are so LUCKY, you play golf all the time and look how much money you earn for it" Gary replied, "Yes it's amazing, but the funny thing is that the harder I work (at it) the LUCKIER I get!" Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 17 11:52:25 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:52:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2648D284-0C31-4F81-9C4D-8997F513C40B@alltel.net> Hi Pete, You mean that you have changed brands and now drink Old Milwaukee? Dave On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Peter Stauffer wrote: > > Hi Luke, > > Thanks for putting the Portland pictures up. Contrary to what Curt > may think, neither you nor he is on any of my lists, other than my > list of friends. I am always glad to demonstrate a proven > technique for coping with the excitement of an engine show when it > starts to become overwhelming. I learned this from a master -- see > photo 96 in your Portland pictures. > > 'til later, > > Pete Stauffer> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:55:28 > +0000> Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up> > > Finally had > some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my disks > was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk > with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/ > portland2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA> > _________________________________________________________________> > Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. > Stop by today.> http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/ > info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/ > mailman/listinfo/sel > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ? together at > last. Get it now. > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx? > pid=CL100626971033 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 17 12:05:19 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:05:19 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017205110.00b818b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 17/10/2007, you wrote: >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: "Engine List" > >Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke >TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA Hi Tommy (Turner) Being a relative newbie to this game I was not aware of the tornado that hit you 10 years ago (1997). and That must have been pretty traumatic - something that we (who do not experience tornado's) would never be able to understand. I'm happy (very belatedly) that you and your collection are still with us. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 17 12:16:19 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:16:19 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017210730.00b83da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: "Engine List" > >Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my >disks was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk with >the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke >TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA Hey Luke, I really like this one. He must be a Maytag owner! "Kick it once and you can relax until the fuel runs out!" C'mon guys, lets have a competition to see who can come up with the best caption for this photograph. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From oldengineman at hotmail.com Wed Oct 17 12:37:04 2007 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:37:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: <2648D284-0C31-4F81-9C4D-8997F513C40B@alltel.net> References: <2648D284-0C31-4F81-9C4D-8997F513C40B@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, No, I haven't changed brands. I'll willingly consume almost any kind of wobbly pop that comes my way, especially OP's. Pete > From: rotigel at alltel.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:52:25 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up> > Hi Pete, You mean that you have changed brands and now drink Old > Milwaukee?> Dave> > On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Peter Stauffer wrote:> > >> > Hi Luke,> >> > Thanks for putting the Portland pictures up. Contrary to what Curt > > may think, neither you nor he is on any of my lists, other than my > > list of friends. I am always glad to demonstrate a proven > > technique for coping with the excitement of an engine show when it > > starts to become overwhelming. I learned this from a master -- see > > photo 96 in your Portland pictures.> >> > 'til later,> >> > Pete Stauffer> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com> To: > > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:55:28 > > +0000> Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up> > > Finally had > > some time to get up this years Portland pictures. One of my disks > > was corrupted and lost all the photos off of it. It was the disk > > with the SEL members engines. Bummer. The rest can be seen here: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/ > > portland2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA> > > _________________________________________________________________> > > Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. > > Stop by today.> http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/ > > info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/ > > mailman/listinfo/sel> > _________________________________________________________________> > Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ? together at > > last. Get it now.> > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx? > > pid=CL100626971033> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ? together at last. ?Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 From curt at imc-group.com Wed Oct 17 12:30:46 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:30:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017210730.00b83da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017210730.00b83da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <471662E6.3010102@imc-group.com> C'mon guys, lets have a competition to see who can come up with the best caption for this photograph. > > > Jerry, Captions.......neat idea! ....my entry. "Just like a Maytag" Curt From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Oct 17 12:36:39 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:36:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up Message-ID: <20071017.123639.1768.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> "With visions of Maytags dancing in his head" Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 C'mon guys, lets have a competition to see who can come up > with > the best caption for this photograph. > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 17 13:59:57 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2007 Photo Caption Message-ID: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland96.html "So many Maytags, so few axes." From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Oct 17 15:33:43 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:33:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: <471662E6.3010102@imc-group.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017210730.00b83da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <471662E6.3010102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071018083310.01aeb2a8@ncable.com.au> >Caption! Who removed the axe! Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 17 16:02:48 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:02:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up Message-ID: In a message dated 10/17/2007 3:17:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: C'mon guys, lets have a competition to see who can come up with the best caption for this photograph. References: Message-ID: <0JQ20028BYIU2OS2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> At 03:22 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote: >Hiya Luke, > >DAMN, you DO have "the eye" for a great photo. >portland23 thru portland25 are BRILLIANT!! >Anyone have any background on that set of pics? Arnie, I think that's Tom Geier's son... I don't know Tom personally but have talked with him before. He has a ton of engine video's on YouTube. Here's one of the little guy on another engine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXmKjrfYNqs -Tony Kimmell From rex002 at centurytel.net Wed Oct 17 17:48:20 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:48:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071017210730.00b83da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001201c81120$95d06f70$6500a8c0@home> Just like a Maytag , sooner or later they run out of Gas ! Ah mmm maybe Ole Mil. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up > >>From: "Luke Tonneberger" >> > Hey Luke, > I really like this one. He must be a Maytag owner! > > "Kick it once and you can relax until the fuel runs out!" > > C'mon guys, lets have a competition to see who can come up with > the best caption for this photograph. > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 17 18:25:07 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (tommy turner) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:25:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up Message-ID: <200710180125.l9I1P7gH002329@bn3.blue.net> Jerry, It wasn't a fun experience but as long as all of us survived it, we have to count our blessings. Here is a web site that Ken Christianson put together a few years ago. The email address at the end is incorrect. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/turner/tornado1.html Tommy Turner -------- Original Message -------- ==> From: Jerry Evans ==> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:05:19 0200 At 06:00 PM 17/10/2007, you wrote: >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: "Engine List" > >Finally had some time to get up this years Portland pictures. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port07/portland2007.htmlLuke >TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA Hi Tommy (Turner) Being a relative newbie to this game I was not aware of the tornado that hit you 10 years ago (1997). and That must have been pretty traumatic - something that we (who do not experience tornado's) would never be able to understand. I'm happy (very belatedly) that you and your collection are still with us. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Thu Oct 18 04:27:10 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:27:10 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <915423.95787.qm@web35414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Arnie Another next generation photo, even though they are turning to the dark side. It was at Portland 2006 I think the Friday at end of SEL area behind Keith Kinneys display, and they cleaned and rubbed for at least half hour. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Temporary11.html Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > DAMN, you DO have "the eye" for a great photo. > portland23 thru portland25 are BRILLIANT!! > Anyone have any background on that set of pics? Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Oct 18 08:01:17 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:01:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?_Re=3A__Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_no?= =?windows-1256?q?w_pics?= In-Reply-To: References: <001201c801d8$c4aaf100$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> Message-ID: I have put up some pictures of the little Hercules Power Plant. I ended up paying $300 for it. Pics can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-242f.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-243f.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-244f.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-245f.jpgLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!? Play Star Shuffle:? the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Oct 18 08:18:22 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:18:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_no_=3D=3Fw?= =?windows-1256?b?aW4uLi4=?= Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/2007 8:07:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, flywheelin at hotmail.com writes: I have put up some pictures of the little Hercules Power Plant. Luke, Is this engine thermo siphon cooled - no water pump? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca 93454 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 18 08:31:07 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:31:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_now_pics?= References: <001201c801d8$c4aaf100$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> Message-ID: That should come in handy Luke....I have a similiar LeRoy with gearbox but never had it apart... Is it either in or out, or can one slip it in, such as a slip clutch? Nice find, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Hercules Power Plant Price? - now pics > > I have put up some pictures of the little Hercules Power Plant. I ended up > paying $300 for it. Pics can be seen here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-242f.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-243f.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-244f.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/mvc-245f.jpgLuke > TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble > challenge with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 18 15:06:21 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:06:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shameless Self-Promotion (OT) Cub Cadet 782 Tractor Message-ID: <1192745181.4717d8dd3ba08@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Folks, Does anyone need a lovely IHC Cub Cadet 782 tractor / mower / snow plow? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260172673472 Its a goodun'. Please pass this along to anyone you think might be interested. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 18 16:00:45 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:00:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank Message-ID: <011801c811da$b826c370$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to repair it. Thanks, Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Oct 18 16:45:40 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:45:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: <011801c811da$b826c370$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <011801c811da$b826c370$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <0314c7292c252eb581a1995c147e6424@chartertn.net> Solder. John On Oct 18, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper > hot water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for > my 1905 Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just > wondering if there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be > the best way to repair it. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Oct 18 16:55:00 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:55:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank Message-ID: Hi Paul, The simplest way I can think of, and probably closest to what a farmer 100 years ago would use, is to get some dried horse manure, crumble it and mix a little into the tank while the engine is hot and running. If you don't have a horse, go to the auto parts store and buy some Barrs Leak, a brand of stop leak that I suspect will do about as well as horse manure. Glad to be of help. Ron In a message dated 10/18/2007 6:11:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to repair it. Thanks, Paul ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 18 17:00:30 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:00:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank References: <011801c811da$b826c370$240110ac@FAMILY> <0314c7292c252eb581a1995c147e6424@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <012101c811e3$10fa59f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks John. I am hoping it will be water tight but it has not been leak tested yet. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > Solder. > > John > > On Oct 18, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper >> hot water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for >> my 1905 Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just >> wondering if there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be >> the best way to repair it. > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 18 17:02:00 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:02:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank References: Message-ID: <012601c811e3$46235c30$240110ac@FAMILY> That is a new wrinkle on me Ron, I have been to two county fairs and three hog cuttings and never heard of manure being using to stop a leak.Just goes to prove you can learn something every day. I appreciate the input. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > Hi Paul, > The simplest way I can think of, and probably closest to what a farmer 100 > years ago would use, is to get some dried horse manure, crumble it and mix > a > little into the tank while the engine is hot and running. If you don't > have a > horse, go to the auto parts store and buy some Barrs Leak, a brand of > stop > leak that I suspect will do about as well as horse manure. > > Glad to be of help. > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 18 17:35:51 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Shameless Self-Promotion (OT) Cub Cadet 782 Tractor In-Reply-To: <1192745181.4717d8dd3ba08@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <782561.8152.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Arnie, Why did you put all those links in there if you are only going to show two pictures of the tractor? Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: Hiya Folks, Does anyone need a lovely IHC Cub Cadet 782 tractor / mower / snow plow? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260172673472 Its a goodun'. Please pass this along to anyone you think might be interested. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 18 17:48:01 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:48:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Shameless Self-Promotion (OT) Cub Cadet 782 Tractor In-Reply-To: <782561.8152.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <782561.8152.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2D3CE0E7-3903-4F9D-AA56-2B1A6FFF47FF@rustyiron.com> On Oct 18, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > > Why did you put all those links in there if you are only going to > show two pictures of the tractor? > More importantly, where are all the pictures of Nancy on the tractor? MARKETING, bro, MARKETING! Rob P.S. Let's put this Cinema Display to good use! Awooooga! From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 18 20:34:58 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:34:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shameless Self-Promotion (OT) Cub Cadet 782 Tractor In-Reply-To: <782561.8152.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <782561.8152.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1192764898.471825e21881e@webmail.city-net.com> Alan, You might have to cut & paste the links. eBay is a bit strange sometimes with links. Trust me, all the pics are there. Thanks for looking. Arnie Quoting Alan Bowen : > Hey Arnie, > Why did you put all those links in there if you are only going to show two > pictures of the tractor? > > Does anyone need a lovely IHC Cub Cadet 782 tractor / mower / snow plow? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260172673472 From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Oct 19 14:07:06 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:07:06 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a small amount of curry powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it heats have tried this and it works. brent nz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of MaytagTwin at aol.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:55 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank Hi Paul, The simplest way I can think of, and probably closest to what a farmer 100 years ago would use, is to get some dried horse manure, crumble it and mix a little into the tank while the engine is hot and running. If you don't have a horse, go to the auto parts store and buy some Barrs Leak, a brand of stop leak that I suspect will do about as well as horse manure. Glad to be of help. Ron In a message dated 10/18/2007 6:11:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to repair it. Thanks, Paul ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Oct 19 15:18:40 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:18:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brent: Unlike horse manure ("road apples"), it smells nice, too! Throw in a little rice and you've got a meal. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of tamatea > whanau > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 04:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > > An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a > small amount of curry > powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it > heats have tried this and > it works. brent nz From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Oct 19 15:12:05 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 08:12:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank References: Message-ID: <040a01c8129d$185358e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> My old Dad had a car with a leaking radiator back in the 20s. As he and his mate had to go on a date, they put some oats in to seal it. Driving along with their ladies, it boiled, blew the cap and sprayed them with hot porrige. I dont think it did much for the romantic intentions!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > Brent: > > Unlike horse manure ("road apples"), it smells nice, too! Throw in a > little rice and you've got a meal. > > Take care - Elden > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of tamatea >> whanau >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 04:07 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank >> >> >> An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a >> small amount of curry >> powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it >> heats have tried this and >> it works. brent nz > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Fri Oct 19 16:36:51 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:36:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47193F93.5070605@telenet.net> Plain old ground pepper does the same thing. If you have a gas tank leak and want to stop it fast a neat trick is to rub a bar of ivory soap on the leak. The ingredients in the ivory react with the gas and swell to stop the leak. I used this one on an old Jeep once and the "temporary" repair held for 3 weeks! tamatea whanau wrote: > An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a small amount of curry > powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it heats have tried this and > it works. brent nz > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:55 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > > > Hi Paul, > The simplest way I can think of, and probably closest to what a farmer 100 > years ago would use, is to get some dried horse manure, crumble it and mix a > little into the tank while the engine is hot and running. If you don't > have a > horse, go to the auto parts store and buy some Barrs Leak, a brand of stop > leak that I suspect will do about as well as horse manure. > > Glad to be of help. > > Ron > > > In a message dated 10/18/2007 6:11:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: > > Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot > water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 > Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if > there > is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to repair > it. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 > 2:14 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 > 2:14 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Oct 19 23:24:39 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:24:39 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: <47193F93.5070605@telenet.net> Message-ID: I knew there was something else and it was the ground pepper thanks for reminding me my friend laughed when i suggested the curry powder but it got him home and if it were me i would have flushed the radiator after wards at a convenient time but he left it in and never got round to doing anything else never leaked.Its a good idea to have a few of these tricks up your sleeve just incase you breakdown somewhere it will at least get you home..brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank Plain old ground pepper does the same thing. If you have a gas tank leak and want to stop it fast a neat trick is to rub a bar of ivory soap on the leak. The ingredients in the ivory react with the gas and swell to stop the leak. I used this one on an old Jeep once and the "temporary" repair held for 3 weeks! tamatea whanau wrote: > An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a small amount of curry > powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it heats have tried this and > it works. brent nz > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:55 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > > > Hi Paul, > The simplest way I can think of, and probably closest to what a farmer 100 > years ago would use, is to get some dried horse manure, crumble it and mix a > little into the tank while the engine is hot and running. If you don't > have a > horse, go to the auto parts store and buy some Barrs Leak, a brand of stop > leak that I suspect will do about as well as horse manure. > > Glad to be of help. > > Ron > > > In a message dated 10/18/2007 6:11:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: > > Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot > water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 > Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if > there > is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to repair > it. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 > 2:14 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 > 2:14 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Fri Oct 19 23:24:40 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:24:40 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: <040a01c8129d$185358e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Good story Reg would have put a damper on the nite esp if the ladies were in there sunday best brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:12 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank My old Dad had a car with a leaking radiator back in the 20s. As he and his mate had to go on a date, they put some oats in to seal it. Driving along with their ladies, it boiled, blew the cap and sprayed them with hot porrige. I dont think it did much for the romantic intentions!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > Brent: > > Unlike horse manure ("road apples"), it smells nice, too! Throw in a > little rice and you've got a meal. > > Take care - Elden > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of tamatea >> whanau >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 04:07 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank >> >> >> An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a >> small amount of curry >> powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it >> heats have tried this and >> it works. brent nz > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sat Oct 20 02:01:55 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:01:55 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Elden could be onto something there could be a fund raiser at a local rally indian curry dishs made the old fashioned way. brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:19 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank Brent: Unlike horse manure ("road apples"), it smells nice, too! Throw in a little rice and you've got a meal. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of tamatea > whanau > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 04:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > > An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a > small amount of curry > powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it > heats have tried this and > it works. brent nz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From shop at cccomm.net Sun Oct 21 06:01:43 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:01:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank References: Message-ID: <024201c813e2$8855f350$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> A little something else..... If you want to clean the outside, coat it with catsup, let it stand 15 minutes or so and wipe off. May take a couple of applications tho.. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "tamatea whanau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > Elden could be onto something there could be a fund raiser at a local > rally > indian curry dishs made the old fashioned way. brent > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Elden DuRand > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:19 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > > Brent: > > Unlike horse manure ("road apples"), it smells nice, too! Throw in a > little > rice and you've got a meal. > > Take care - Elden > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of tamatea >> whanau >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 04:07 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank >> >> >> An old trick for leaking radiators was to add a >> small amount of curry >> powder to block up minor leaks it swells after it >> heats have tried this and >> it works. brent nz > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: > 10/16/2007 > 2:14 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: > 10/16/2007 > 2:14 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Oct 21 08:52:46 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:52:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: <011801c811da$b826c370$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <200710211553.l9LFqpQq055137@mail-gw.fsr.net> Paul, I've been eavesdropping on the replies. Believe me, copper takes to solder so readily, I don't know why any other method would come to mind. Keep these things in mind: 1) All corrosion should be removed before attempting the job. 2) Copper conducts heat away from the soldering iron very readily, making it difficult to get the metal up to temperature. So, it would be a good idea to have a helper use a propane torch to keep the area around the repair good and hot. 3) Use a paste flux. It is cheap and available at most hardware stores. Enjoy. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:01 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to repair it. Thanks, Paul From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 21 09:58:18 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:58:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 Message-ID: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com> Does anyone know what the "feature engine" will be for Portland 2008? Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From falcon at telenet.net Sun Oct 21 11:25:48 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:25:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: <200710211553.l9LFqpQq055137@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200710211553.l9LFqpQq055137@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <471B99AC.8070301@telenet.net> And if your really worried about the solder sticking hit Eastwoods site (or other body shop supply sites) and look for "Tinning Butter)It is flux with a fine powdered solder in it. You just heat the spot, brush it with the TB and you have an instant tinned surface. Then just apply your normal solder. It also works great on gas tanks and many other surfaces as well. If you want a small amount Radio Shack sells it as a soldering iron tip cleaner and tinning agent. Orrin Iseminger wrote: > Paul, I've been eavesdropping on the replies. Believe me, copper takes to > solder so readily, I don't know why any other method would come to mind. > > Keep these things in mind: > > 1) All corrosion should be removed before attempting the job. > > 2) Copper conducts heat away from the soldering iron very readily, making > it difficult to get the metal up to temperature. So, it would be a good > idea to have a helper use a propane torch to keep the area around the repair > good and hot. > > 3) Use a paste flux. It is cheap and available at most hardware stores. > > Enjoy. > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:01 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank > > Folks it looks like I will be coming into possession of an old copper hot > water tank that I want to polish up and use for a cooling tank for my 1905 > Stover 5 HP Engine. I have not got the tank yet but was just wondering if > there is any small corrosion holes in it what would be the best way to > repair it. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 21 11:49:18 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:49:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 References: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <005001c81413$16d8f2f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Tommy I bet it will be a "Havana", what do you think? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 > Does anyone know what the "feature engine" will be for Portland 2008? > Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Oct 21 12:16:10 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:16:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071021204849.00b8abb0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Paul, Late reply to this one but , although I've followed the thread, I've just been too busy to reply. Here's my 2 cents worth. I agree with Orrin and others - you cannot beat solder. It's authentic and, in my opinion, old copper should have a few dents and repairs even if not done perfectly (remember that repairs were often done by the farmer/owner and not each one of them was a skilled tradesman) - that's what gives it character - if it does not have a few dents then give it some !!. Solder also polishes up well with the copper. You did say "small corrosion holes" - these can even be repaired with a small electric soldering iron and cored solder wire - bigger holes will need a copper patch "sweated" on with a larger soldering iron but will also add character. Dave Ernst suggested catsup (we call it tomato sauce). It works due to the acid (I'm not sure which one, is it ascetic or citric) in the tomato sauce. My preferred method is to use a lemon and salt. Put some coarse salt into a saucer, cut a lemon into quarters and dab the lemon into the salt, then use the lemon to "scrub" the copper. It removes all the old tarnish and other stuff and leaves the copper a pinkish colour. Wash it with clean water and then brass polish or buff to restore the beautiful copper colour. This works on both brass and copper. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 21 12:55:06 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:55:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 In-Reply-To: <005001c81413$16d8f2f0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com> <005001c81413$16d8f2f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <471BAE9A.5000104@scrtc.com> Paul, That would be nice! Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Paul Maples wrote: >Tommy I bet it will be a "Havana", what do you think? > >Paul > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:58 AM >Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 > > > > >>Does anyone know what the "feature engine" will be for Portland 2008? >>Thanks. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Oct 21 13:21:13 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:21:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 In-Reply-To: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com> References: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1192998073.471bb4b9a97aa@webmail.city-net.com> Tommy, It's "Indiana Built" engines. Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Does anyone know what the "feature engine" will be for Portland 2008? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 21 13:45:36 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:45:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 In-Reply-To: <1192998073.471bb4b9a97aa@webmail.city-net.com> References: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com> <1192998073.471bb4b9a97aa@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <471BBA70.5030103@scrtc.com> Thanks Arnie. Someone told me it was Ky built engines..... I didn't think it was. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Tommy, It's "Indiana Built" engines. Arnie > >Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > > > >>Does anyone know what the "feature engine" will be for Portland 2008? >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 21 15:07:57 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:07:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 References: <471B852A.7060208@scrtc.com><005001c81413$16d8f2f0$240110ac@FAMILY> <471BAE9A.5000104@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00c001c8142e$d7783690$240110ac@FAMILY> Don't forget you owe me some pictures of those beauties when you get time. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2008 > Paul, > That would be nice! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > > > Paul Maples wrote: > >>Tommy I bet it will be a "Havana", what do you think? >> >>Paul >> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 21 15:37:16 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:37:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Model Builder Message-ID: <00db01c81432$efb5d290$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks several years ago at Portland there was a model maker that set up under the SEL tent and had several of his models on display. He also sold a model kit with a Video of how to make the engine. Does anyone remember who that was and if so can you tell me how to reach him? Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Oct 21 17:54:36 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:54:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Repair of old copper water tank In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071021204849.00b8abb0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071021204849.00b8abb0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: > My preferred method is to use a lemon and salt. Vinegar and salt is an old favorite combination for cleaning corroded brass or copper. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Sun Oct 21 20:32:12 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:32:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris (Tenax) Message-ID: <01a601c8145c$25148e30$210110ac@service> Hi guys, hoping someone can help, i have a 6hp engine badged as a Tenax, it is either a rebadged type 2 Massey Harris or a australian copy of this engine, if it is a copy who made it? any info at all apreciated, cheers, Chester from West Aus. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 21 21:15:06 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:15:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris (Tenax) In-Reply-To: <01a601c8145c$25148e30$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <20071022041514.ZMH12669.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Chester, As far as I have heard the Tenax is simply a rebadged type2 Massey-Harris. There would have been little or no reason to copy them here as they could be imported with no duty as Canada is part of the Commonwealth. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi guys, hoping someone can help, i have a 6hp engine badged as a Tenax, it is either a rebadged type 2 Massey Harris or a australian copy of this engine, if it is a copy who made it? any info at all apreciated, cheers, Chester from West Aus. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 23:42:08 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:42:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Model Builder In-Reply-To: <00db01c81432$efb5d290$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00db01c81432$efb5d290$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6f6025160710212342t79552714n16b5971ff81e1d96@mail.gmail.com> On 21/10/2007, Paul Maples wrote: > Folks several years ago at Portland there was a model maker that set up under the SEL tent and had several of his models on display. He also sold a model kit with a Video of how to make the engine. Does anyone remember who that was and if so can you tell me how to reach him? > > Paul Curt Andree had his model baler at the 2005 show in the tent area, is that who you are thinking of ? Still got that miniature bale of wood shavings here! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dscott at kooee.com.au Mon Oct 22 02:36:19 2007 From: dscott at kooee.com.au (dscott) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:36:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test only Message-ID: <00b301c8148f$002431b0$0201010a@pc> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 22 04:26:45 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:26:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Model Builder References: <00db01c81432$efb5d290$240110ac@FAMILY> <6f6025160710212342t79552714n16b5971ff81e1d96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002301c8149e$6e811240$240110ac@FAMILY> No Peter, I found the name of the man I was looking for, it was Tom Ball and he is a Model Maker. I have sent him an e-mail. Thanks for the come back. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for Model Builder > On 21/10/2007, Paul Maples wrote: >> Folks several years ago at Portland there was a model maker that set up >> under the SEL tent and had several of his models on display. He also sold >> a model kit with a Video of how to make the engine. Does anyone remember >> who that was and if so can you tell me how to reach him? >> >> Paul > > Curt Andree had his model baler at the 2005 show in the tent area, is > that who you are thinking of ? Still got that miniature bale of wood > shavings here! > > Peter From pitty10 at aapt.net.au Mon Oct 22 04:46:43 2007 From: pitty10 at aapt.net.au (Bradley Pitt) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:46:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] registry Message-ID: <000a01c814a1$382fb540$65db653b@brad> pitty10 at aapt.net.au From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Oct 22 05:10:35 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:10:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test only References: <00b301c8148f$002431b0$0201010a@pc> Message-ID: <004401c814a4$8f911060$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> She's a goer Des. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "dscott" To: "stationary eng" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: [SEL] test only > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Oct 22 05:26:29 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:26:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?_RE=3A_=09Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_?= =?windows-1256?q?now_pics?= In-Reply-To: References: <001201c801d8$c4aaf100$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> Message-ID: Hi Rick, There's no slippin the clutch, it is in or out.Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA ===================> From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Is it either in or out, or can one slip it in, such > as a slip clutch?> > Nice find,> RickinMt. _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Oct 22 05:59:27 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:59:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Scouts Iron Horse 2009 (Victoria, Australia) Message-ID: <471C9EAF.6080304@steamengine.com.au> Hi everyone, Every few years Scouts run an event called Iron Horse. Basically it is a Scout camp with steam and other vintage machinery involved. I'm a Leader with 1st Emerald and have contact with Knox District who run the event (only came back from their opposite of the technology spectrum called Deep Space a couple of weeks ago). The last effort to run this event folded because of lack of steam involvement and insurance problems (remember those years?). Because of my modelling, steam and vintage machinery contacts I've been asked if I would like to help organise activities for the next one. The camp will probably be based around Gilwell Park in Gembrook - probably in mid to late 2009. The camp would likely be popular as it is in a pre Jamboree year and the longer camps are always popular as all the kids must have four straight nights under canvas before Jamboree. Deep Space had around 600 attendees, so somewhere between 600 and 1000 is likely. My initial thoughts would be to ride a steam hauled train from the city to Belgrave, then Puff from Belgrave to Gembrook (2 trains at least) and hike the kids down to Gilwell Park with their baggage carried by steam truck or other vintage truck and trailer. Usually one of the days is away from the camp, so probably a trip to a miniature railway (Cambeltown? (Lysterfield) and DVR are probably the closest that could handle a huge group of kids). Melbourne Steam Centre in Wantirna is another good location. Puffing Billy Museum could handle small groups at a time. To reduce the load on the destination - the camp would be divided into two or three groups - each group would visit all available destinations but always only one group at each place. On the camp itself there would be activities centred around steam and other machinery. Local engine clubs have already shown some interest in putting on a private show for the Scouts. Now what am I chasing you guys for? Ideas! Programming ideas around the theme. Perhaps ideas of a simple steam engine to build that kids with zero machining ability could put together and have it actually run on air. Something that a company or club could be paid to machine a large number of kits for - perhaps a commercial kit? There is potential for club members to become involved in helping kids learn and build things - a current Victorian Working With Children card is mandatory. For those unfamiliar with Scouts - this is an event for 10.5 to 14.5 year old girls and boys divided into troops of 30 and sub-divided into patrols of 10 - 12. Regards Paul From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 22 06:07:51 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:07:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_now_pics?= References: <001201c801d8$c4aaf100$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe> Message-ID: Ok..thanks Luke. I reckon mine is the same way on the Le Roi. It is a good runner. Might go out and clear it's throat today as it looks like Indian Summer is here. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:26 AM Subject: [SEL] RE: Hercules Power Plant Price? - now pics > > Hi Rick, > > There's no slippin the clutch, it is in or out.Luke TonnebergerRockford, > MichiganUSA > ===================> From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Is it either in or out, or can one slip it in, such > as a slip > >> clutch?> > Nice find,> RickinMt. > _________________________________________________________________ > Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop > by today. > http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Oct 22 05:25:18 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:25:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?_RE=3A_=09Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_?= =?windows-1256?q?now_pics?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francis, Sorry for the late reply, was having mail troubles. Yes, the engine appears to be thermo siphon, don't see a water pump on it. Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA============================== > From: FRM8198 at aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:18:22 -0400> > Luke,> Is this engine thermo siphon cooled - no water pump? > > Francis Maciel> Santa Maria, Ca 93454> _________________________________________________________________ Boo!?Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Oct 22 07:41:46 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:41:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?Hercules_Power_Plant_Price=FE_-_=3D=3Fwin?= =?windows-1256?b?Li4u?= Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/2007 6:47:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, flywheelin at hotmail.com writes: Yes, the engine appears to be thermo siphon, don't see a water pump on it. Luke, Thanks for the reply. I have a friend who is new to the hobby that just finished restoring a 1939 CleTrac "General" wheel tractor. The 20 Hp Hercules engine on the General is similar to yours. When I first looked at the General, I was surprised to learn that it was thermo siphon cooled. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca 93454 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Oct 22 08:36:50 2007 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:36:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fall Harvest Days(Arden) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI All, The Arden N.C. Show( Fall Harvest days) Starts this week. I have reserved four fairly large spaces where we usually set up. I'l trying to get a head count to see if we need more space or not. So , please let me know who is planning to attend. I look forward to seeing you there, Steve Royster _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Oct 22 15:12:28 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:12:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] registry In-Reply-To: <000a01c814a1$382fb540$65db653b@brad> References: <000a01c814a1$382fb540$65db653b@brad> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071023081130.01a55828@ncable.com.au> Thats the problem with this list! They let anybody join in! Welcome to the SEL Brad At 09:46 PM 22/10/2007, you wrote: >pitty10 at aapt.net.au >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Oct 23 00:06:25 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:06:25 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Scouts Iron Horse 2009 (Victoria, Australia) In-Reply-To: <471C9EAF.6080304@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Paul well done taking on a project of that size the kids will get alot from it good idea to get them interested while they are young brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul Pavlinovich Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:59 AM To: coals at steamengine.com.au; The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Scouts Iron Horse 2009 (Victoria, Australia) Hi everyone, Every few years Scouts run an event called Iron Horse. Basically it is a Scout camp with steam and other vintage machinery involved. I'm a Leader with 1st Emerald and have contact with Knox District who run the event (only came back from their opposite of the technology spectrum called Deep Space a couple of weeks ago). The last effort to run this event folded because of lack of steam involvement and insurance problems (remember those years?). Because of my modelling, steam and vintage machinery contacts I've been asked if I would like to help organise activities for the next one. The camp will probably be based around Gilwell Park in Gembrook - probably in mid to late 2009. The camp would likely be popular as it is in a pre Jamboree year and the longer camps are always popular as all the kids must have four straight nights under canvas before Jamboree. Deep Space had around 600 attendees, so somewhere between 600 and 1000 is likely. My initial thoughts would be to ride a steam hauled train from the city to Belgrave, then Puff from Belgrave to Gembrook (2 trains at least) and hike the kids down to Gilwell Park with their baggage carried by steam truck or other vintage truck and trailer. Usually one of the days is away from the camp, so probably a trip to a miniature railway (Cambeltown? (Lysterfield) and DVR are probably the closest that could handle a huge group of kids). Melbourne Steam Centre in Wantirna is another good location. Puffing Billy Museum could handle small groups at a time. To reduce the load on the destination - the camp would be divided into two or three groups - each group would visit all available destinations but always only one group at each place. On the camp itself there would be activities centred around steam and other machinery. Local engine clubs have already shown some interest in putting on a private show for the Scouts. Now what am I chasing you guys for? Ideas! Programming ideas around the theme. Perhaps ideas of a simple steam engine to build that kids with zero machining ability could put together and have it actually run on air. Something that a company or club could be paid to machine a large number of kits for - perhaps a commercial kit? There is potential for club members to become involved in helping kids learn and build things - a current Victorian Working With Children card is mandatory. For those unfamiliar with Scouts - this is an event for 10.5 to 14.5 year old girls and boys divided into troops of 30 and sub-divided into patrols of 10 - 12. Regards Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From cburchet at bigpond.net.au Tue Oct 23 19:57:30 2007 From: cburchet at bigpond.net.au (Burchetts) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:57:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans Message-ID: <001701c815e9$9eb27d40$0100000a@carlcc3d967339> Hi I was interested in the plans for Henry Fords first engine? are they still available. Regards Carl From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Oct 23 04:07:55 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:07:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Scouts Iron Horse 2009 (Victoria, Australia) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471DD60B.3040101@steamengine.com.au> Thanks for the thought mate - but I'm only one of many helping to make events like this happen. Lots of little cogs make this very big machine. Regards Paul tamatea whanau wrote: > Paul well done taking on a project of that size the kids will get alot from > it good idea to get them interested while they are young brent > > -----Original Message----- > From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Oct 23 05:48:08 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:48:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans In-Reply-To: <001701c815e9$9eb27d40$0100000a@carlcc3d967339> Message-ID: <200710231248.l9NCmFT0005931@mail-gw.fsr.net> Leon Ridenour has the plans. He lives in Knoxville, TN and can be reached by phone at 865-584-9759. He does not have a computer. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Burchetts Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:58 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans Hi I was interested in the plans for Henry Fords first engine? are they still available. Regards Carl From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 23 09:37:00 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:37:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 43, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Dave Ernst suggested catsup (we call it tomato sauce). It works due to the acid (I'm not sure which one, is it ascetic or citric) in the tomato sauce." Jerry, it's a weak acetic acid, some from the tomatoes but most from the vinegar in the catsup, ketchup, or however it's spelled locally. Saves time and condiments to go with the vinegar directly; use it with salt - coarse, if available. A clean wax applicator pad or bug sponge works well, but if you're overrun with lemons, they work fine, too.Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!? Play Star Shuffle:? the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Oct 23 14:56:06 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:56:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ketchup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 23, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Younger wrote: > ...from the vinegar in the catsup, ketchup, or however it's spelled > locally. I've never heard it called anything but ketchup, and it makes sense to spell it that way. Catsup looks like a contraction of cat soup, as you may find in the local Chinese eatery. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 23 15:15:30 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:15:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ketchup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471E7282.3020303@scrtc.com> In my local grocery you used to be able to buy "ketchup" or "catsup". Made by 2 different companies and I don't know what the difference was. I don't like either and wouldn't have any idea which is better for cleaning purposes. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >On Oct 23, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Younger wrote: > > > >>...from the vinegar in the catsup, ketchup, or however it's spelled >>locally. >> >> > >I've never heard it called anything but ketchup, and it makes sense to >spell it that way. > >Catsup looks like a contraction of cat soup, as you may find in the >local Chinese eatery. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 15:29:37 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Ketchup In-Reply-To: <471E7282.3020303@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <63183.56296.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Same thing here, Tommy. This will have me looking on Friday, but seems like it is all ketchup now. I also don't like it much. I prefer either BBQ sauce or a good salsa. I will grab a bottle of ketchup though and try it on a well tarnished laundry boiler that I plan to use at engine shows in 2008. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Judge Tommy Turner wrote: In my local grocery you used to be able to buy "ketchup" or "catsup". Made by 2 different companies and I don't know what the difference was. I don't like either and wouldn't have any idea which is better for cleaning purposes. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >On Oct 23, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Younger wrote: > > > >>...from the vinegar in the catsup, ketchup, or however it's spelled >>locally. >> >> > >I've never heard it called anything but ketchup, and it makes sense to >spell it that way. > >Catsup looks like a contraction of cat soup, as you may find in the >local Chinese eatery. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 23 19:22:52 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:22:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info Message-ID: <471EAC7C.3010602@scrtc.com> I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago send me his email address and phone number but they are out of date. If anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From glenn.karch at verizon.net Tue Oct 23 20:47:25 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:47:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info References: <471EAC7C.3010602@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003a01c815f0$988cd580$27b7123f@D8LJ7K91> Tommy, I have becker1113 at earthlink.net. I don't know if it is still valid or not. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info >I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago > send me his email address and phone number but they are out of date. If > anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Oct 23 21:07:11 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:07:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info In-Reply-To: <003a01c815f0$988cd580$27b7123f@D8LJ7K91> References: <471EAC7C.3010602@scrtc.com> <003a01c815f0$988cd580$27b7123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <471EC4EF.9060901@scrtc.com> Glenn, Thats the one I've got but it bounces back to me. Thanks! Tommy Glenn Karch wrote: >Tommy, > >I have becker1113 at earthlink.net. I don't know if it is still valid or not. > >Glenn Karch >Hercules Historian >Haubstadt, Indiana, USA >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:22 PM >Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info > > > > >>I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago >>send me his email address and phone number but they are out of date. If >>anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 21:17:17 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:17:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info In-Reply-To: <471EC4EF.9060901@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <017c01c815f4$c837e910$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Hey Tommy That name sounds kinda familiar; anywhere near here? Other lists he might be on? Just a long shot if I knew where to try "snooping." Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Glenn, Thats the one I've got but it bounces back to me. Thanks! Tommy Glenn Karch wrote: >Tommy, > >I have becker1113 at earthlink.net. I don't know if it is still valid or not. > >Glenn Karch >Hercules Historian >Haubstadt, Indiana, USA >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:22 PM >Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info > > > > >>I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago >>send me his email address and phone number but they are out of date. If >>anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Oct 23 22:03:05 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:03:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info In-Reply-To: <471EAC7C.3010602@scrtc.com> References: <471EAC7C.3010602@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, Try http://www.zabasearch.com ? Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Oct 23, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago > send me his email address and phone number but they are out of > date. If > anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > From cburchet at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 24 20:33:40 2007 From: cburchet at bigpond.net.au (Burchetts) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:33:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans References: <200710231248.l9NCmFT0005931@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <002301c816b7$d6a39490$0100000a@carlcc3d967339> Thanks Orrin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans > Leon Ridenour has the plans. He lives in Knoxville, TN and can be reached > by phone at 865-584-9759. He does not have a computer. > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Burchetts > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:58 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Henry Ford's First Engine Plans > > Hi I was interested in the plans for Henry Fords first engine? > are they still available. > Regards Carl > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 24 04:36:29 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:36:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info In-Reply-To: <017c01c815f4$c837e910$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <017c01c815f4$c837e910$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <471F2E3D.1040906@scrtc.com> Lew, He used to live in Humble TX, just outside Houston, but I'm not sure if he's still around there or not. The email address and phone number I have for him aren't any good but he could have changed ISP's and may have gotten rid of his land line in favor of a cell phone. Thanks! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hey Tommy > >That name sounds kinda familiar; anywhere near here? Other lists he >might be on? Just a long shot if I knew where to try "snooping." > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- > >Glenn, > Thats the one I've got but it bounces back to me. Thanks! > >Tommy > > > >Glenn Karch wrote: > > > >>Tommy, >> >>I have becker1113 at earthlink.net. I don't know if it is still valid or >> >> >not. > > >>Glenn Karch >>Hercules Historian >>Haubstadt, Indiana, USA >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:22 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago >>>send me his email address and phone number but they are out of date. >>> >>> >If > > >>>anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: >10/22/2007 7:57 PM > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: >10/22/2007 7:57 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 24 04:53:27 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:53:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info In-Reply-To: References: <471EAC7C.3010602@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <471F3237.8020609@scrtc.com> Rob, That is one great search tool that I'm going to bookmark. His name and number popped right up! Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Tommy, >Try http://www.zabasearch.com > >? > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > >On Oct 23, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>I need to contact Bill Becker of TX. I had a person a few months ago >>send me his email address and phone number but they are out of >>date. If >>anyone has contact info for Bill, please forward it to me. Thanks. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Wed Oct 24 06:00:44 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:00:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trying to find contact info In-Reply-To: <471F2E3D.1040906@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002b01c8163d$e6b5cf30$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Ok; well, not close to here. Just seems like the name's kinda familiar. I'm on a bunch of homestead, small farming, etc. yahoo groups; will keep my eyes open for the name. BTW the shop's finally done, forklift fixed & ready to use, bout ready to start the big move from across town. Lew -----Original Message----- Lew, He used to live in Humble TX, just outside Houston, but I'm not sure if he's still around there or not. The email address and phone number I have for him aren't any good but he could have changed ISP's and may have gotten rid of his land line in favor of a cell phone. Thanks! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hey Tommy > >That name sounds kinda familiar; anywhere near here? Other lists he >might be on? Just a long shot if I knew where to try "snooping." > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Oct 24 09:34:50 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:34:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. Message-ID: <20071024163506.7F7E15807D@gw1.nlenet.net> I found this on Ebay and it arrived today. http://lbpinc.com/compressor2.jpg It appears to be a very early Pelton & Crane Co. dental compressor. Any experts out there? It should clean up well and will add some more fun to my trailer with the generator on it. I think I will find a way to run it slow because it makes a great noise. I show it with a drill motor to give an idea of size. Does any one have any ideas on where I can get a belt? http://lbpinc.com/newone.JPG About a week after winning that one I got this one. I haven't got this one home yet. It is complete and therefor a bit heavy to ship. I guess with two I have a collection. Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 24 10:41:17 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. In-Reply-To: <20071024163506.7F7E15807D@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <940360.9108.qm@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice toys, Frank. Is that a tensioning pulley I see? If it is I would just make up a belt. I have a piece of conveyor belt that I cut to make custom belts then I also have several different belt lacer machines. For that maybe an automotive serpentine belt,,,,, If you can't find one the right size then cut a longer one and lace it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Frank DeWitt wrote: I found this on Ebay and it arrived today. http://lbpinc.com/compressor2.jpg It appears to be a very early Pelton & Crane Co. dental compressor. Any experts out there? It should clean up well and will add some more fun to my trailer with the generator on it. I think I will find a way to run it slow because it makes a great noise. I show it with a drill motor to give an idea of size. Does any one have any ideas on where I can get a belt? http://lbpinc.com/newone.JPG About a week after winning that one I got this one. I haven't got this one home yet. It is complete and therefor a bit heavy to ship. I guess with two I have a collection. Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Oct 24 10:46:17 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:46:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. Message-ID: <20071024175249.2E94E5849B@gw1.nlenet.net> Nice toys, Frank. Is that a tensioning pulley I see? If it is I would just make up a belt. I have a piece of conveyor belt that I cut to make custom belts then I also have several different belt lacer machines. For that maybe an automotive serpentine belt,,,,, If you can't find one the right size then cut a longer one and lace it. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Thanks, Yes it has a spring loaded tension pulley. Belt length is not critical. It also has a crown on the big pulley and flanges on the small one. Odd. Thanks for the ideas Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 24 10:55:00 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:55:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 43, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071024195325.00b8e990@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > >From: Bruce Younger >Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 43, Issue 22 >To: > >"Dave Ernst suggested catsup (we call it tomato sauce). It works due to >the acid (I'm not sure which one, is it ascetic or citric) in the tomato >sauce." > >Jerry, it's a weak acetic acid, some from the tomatoes but most from the >vinegar in the catsup, ketchup, or however it's spelled locally. Saves >time and condiments to go with the vinegar directly; use it with salt - >coarse, if available. A clean wax applicator pad or bug sponge works >well, but if you're overrun with lemons, they work fine, too.Bruce Younger Thanks Bruce Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Oct 24 10:58:20 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:58:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. In-Reply-To: <20071024163506.7F7E15807D@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20071024163506.7F7E15807D@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <001901c81667$76a3d4b0$05fea8c0@doc> Aren't they gorgeous? I want one.... Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Frank DeWitt > Sent: 24 October 2007 17:35 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. > > I found this on Ebay and it arrived today. > http://lbpinc.com/compressor2.jpg > It appears to be a very early Pelton & Crane Co. dental > compressor. Any experts out there? It should clean up well and will > add some more fun to my trailer with the generator on it. I think I > will find a way to run it slow because it makes a great noise. I > show it with a drill motor to give an idea of size. > Does any one have any ideas on where I can get a belt? > > http://lbpinc.com/newone.JPG > About a week after winning that one I got this one. I haven't got > this one home yet. It is complete and therefor a bit heavy to > ship. I guess with two I have a collection. > > Frank > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.o rg/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 24 11:15:08 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:15:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ketchup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071024195529.00b81ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >From: John Culp >Subject: [SEL] Ketchup > >On Oct 23, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Younger wrote: > > >Catsup looks like a contraction of cat soup, >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA Hi John, Believe me, some of the cheaper varieties actually look like "cat's up" (cat's vomit). Wikipedia explanation here: Does it actually matter what it's called. It's (most commonly) a condiment sauce based on tomato's and we put it on "hot dogs" and stuff. It also cleans copper and brass, which is where we all started on this :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 24 12:38:26 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:38:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. References: <20071024175249.2E94E5849B@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <002901c81675$7678ebc0$f04d0b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:46 PM Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. > Nice toys, Frank. > Is that a tensioning pulley I see? > If it is I would just make up a belt. > I have a piece of conveyor belt that I cut to make custom belts then > I also have several different belt lacer machines. > For that maybe an automotive serpentine belt,,,,, If you can't find > one the right size then cut a longer one and lace it. > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > Thanks, Yes it has a spring loaded tension pulley. Belt length is > not critical. It also has a crown on the big pulley and flanges on > the small one. Odd. > Thanks for the ideas > Frank It takes me back 25 years when I was starting my vintage collection. In a second hand shop there was an old Dentists drill which had been foot treadle operated & later converted with a small old electric motor. The drill arm was about 6 pieces of twin strip hinged on to each other & the drive to the drill was 6 fine belts connected with 2 small pulleys at each joint. I wasn't selling & I was very tempted to buy it for ?2 & show it engine powered at a show. I didn't buy it but regretted it later as it would have amused the spectators.. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Oct 24 13:18:56 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:18:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. References: <20071024163506.7F7E15807D@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <004901c8167b$20884890$0302a8c0@Ed> I got a 1 inch belt for my lathe form a vender at an engine show. It might have been Lee Pederson. I would think that someone into small steam engines would find that an nice source of compressed air. I also picked up a Speed Lathe from a guy that refurbished dental drill set ups when they were cable driven. He might be a source of information. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: [SEL] It followed me home, Compressor. >I found this on Ebay and it arrived today. > http://lbpinc.com/compressor2.jpg > It appears to be a very early Pelton & Crane Co. dental > compressor. Any experts out there? It should clean up well and will > add some more fun to my trailer with the generator on it. I think I > will find a way to run it slow because it makes a great noise. I > show it with a drill motor to give an idea of size. > Does any one have any ideas on where I can get a belt? > > http://lbpinc.com/newone.JPG > About a week after winning that one I got this one. I haven't got > this one home yet. It is complete and therefor a bit heavy to > ship. I guess with two I have a collection. > > Frank > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Wed Oct 24 15:10:46 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:10:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ketchup In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071024195529.00b81ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071024195529.00b81ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <471FC2E6.90000@telenet.net> The strange thing is that tomato based ketchup is not the original recipe. The original was simply a fish based sauce similar to Worcester sauce. Looking back to the eighteenth century, ketchup started out as a sauce made of anchovies, walnuts, mushrooms and kidney beans. One popular theory is that the word ketchup is derived from the koechiap or ke-tsiap which is from the Amoy dialect of China. Roughly translated means the brine of pickled fish or shellfish. I think the reason for the different names is likely trademarks and such. My niece loves the stuff. She will put it on everything she eats if given the chance. She went ape when she discovered the new Herr's ketchup flavored chips. http://www.herrsstore.com/ke55ozba.html Jerry Evans wrote: >> From: John Culp >> Subject: [SEL] Ketchup >> >> On Oct 23, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Younger wrote: >> >> >> Catsup looks like a contraction of cat soup, >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > Hi John, > Believe me, some of the cheaper varieties actually look like > "cat's up" (cat's vomit). > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Oct 24 15:32:41 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:32:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ketchup In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071024195529.00b81ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20071024195529.00b81ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Wiki got it wrong about "Tomato Sauce" being a synonym for ketchup. Very different stuff, and it just won't substitute. I am reminded that in my earliest days in far south Alabama on the Mississippi border, we called it "catchup." On Oct 24, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Wikipedia explanation here: > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Wed Oct 24 22:04:15 2007 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:04:15 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: petter a1 parts Message-ID: <002d01c816c4$7de8d0b0$f301a8c0@armstrong> Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin armstrong To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: petter a1 parts I am in need of a std crankpin bearing for a Petter A1/AP1, can any one avise of supplier regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From pitty10 at aapt.net.au Wed Oct 24 23:51:37 2007 From: pitty10 at aapt.net.au (Bradley Pitt) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:51:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Registry Message-ID: <001001c816d3$81dc0610$5fde653b@brad> Come on Russ if they let you join surely there wasn't going to be any problems with me doing it.Thanks for the welcome From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Oct 25 00:11:08 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:11:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Registry References: <001001c816d3$81dc0610$5fde653b@brad> Message-ID: <041201c816d6$3950ace0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> OK, welcome to the dislexic engine restorers. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradley Pitt" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: [SEL] Registry > Come on Russ if they let you join surely there wasn't going to be any > problems with me doing it.Thanks for the welcome > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 25 00:36:44 2007 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:36:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi All, hoping some of you sydney chaps can help me out, i am trying to get in touch with a justin turner re an engine, does anyone know him?????/,cheers Dave _________________________________________________________________ Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_Future&_m=EXT From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 24 22:14:31 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:14:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Happy 90th Birthday Message-ID: <20071025051433.JMNC28452.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> During this month 90 years ago my 3.5hp Austral was tested and shipped from the Ronaldson-Tippett factory in Ballarat. 90 years old and still going strong :) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cc07/cc907081.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 25 04:34:25 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:34:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Happy 90th Birthday In-Reply-To: <20071025051433.JMNC28452.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071025051433.JMNC28452.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <47207F41.4050409@scrtc.com> Patrick, I love the photo of it sitting in front of the building with "Ronaldson" painted on the wall. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >During this month 90 years ago my 3.5hp Austral was tested and shipped from >the Ronaldson-Tippett factory in Ballarat. >90 years old and still going strong :) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cc07/cc907081.JPG > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Oct 25 04:48:38 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:48:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Happy 90th Birthday References: <20071025051433.JMNC28452.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <006a01c816fd$51f9ee10$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Happy birthday, are you having a party for it Patrick. Cheers Mate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Happy 90th Birthday > During this month 90 years ago my 3.5hp Austral was tested and shipped > from > the Ronaldson-Tippett factory in Ballarat. > 90 years old and still going strong :) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cc07/cc907081.JPG > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 25 04:55:37 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:55:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! Message-ID: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. Paul http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 04:57:05 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:57:05 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <969512.18675.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Any Aussie going to Lake Goldsmith weekend 2-3-4th Nov. Cam, Fred & Myself will be there after lunch Fri and plan to leave Sunday Lunch time Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Oct 25 06:00:30 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:00:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <007c01c81707$060af350$8335c53e@doc> It's a private listing - all bidder's identities are kept secret. Personally, I wouldn't buy from a private listing. Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Paul Maples > Sent: 25 October 2007 12:56 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the > bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is > going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 > some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that > there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. > > Paul > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177 > 772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 06:08:49 2007 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <865108.66387.qm@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure looks wackie to me too. Unless, Lets say someone bid 20.00$ for a 2.00$ item and increases of 1.00$. Would the bid list indicate increasing bids of a dollar atr a time or would it show the max required to out bid the next hightest. I don't know just how that works. Ron Paul Maples wrote: Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. Paul http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Thu Oct 25 06:30:28 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:30:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <007c01c81707$060af350$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <007801c8170b$36e84550$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Apparently this is a "new EBay thing" that a seller has no control over. One of my recent listings came up that way (don't recall which one) & I sure didn't set it up that way. Not something EBay should be able to control imho!!!!!!!!!! Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- It's a private listing - all bidder's identities are kept secret. Personally, I wouldn't buy from a private listing. Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Paul Maples > Sent: 25 October 2007 12:56 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the > bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is > going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 > some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that > there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. > > Paul > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 06:56:02 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <8301.59923.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul, ONLY YOU see your wheelterrapin ID on that list. To me all bidders are hidden. If you sign out on EBay you will see what I see. Then sign in and you would again see only your name. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Paul Maples wrote: Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. Paul http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From JR504 at aol.com Thu Oct 25 07:04:08 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:04:08 EDT Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! Message-ID: I'll tell you what I see. Notice the time stamps on the bids. It looks like there were a couple of different bidding wars, but what are the chances of that? Not likely so early in the auction. I bet that he has a couple of buddies driving the price up, or several ebay accounts himself. Leave it alone for now and then bid if he relists it. If it comes up for a second chance offer then you know his buddies were bidding the price up, and you know that Ebayer is fraudulent. Also notice that he has no feedback rating. My advice? RUN! Joe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Oct 25 07:22:23 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:22:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <007801c8170b$36e84550$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <007c01c81707$060af350$8335c53e@doc> <007801c8170b$36e84550$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071025100924.02f64330@pop3.wcoil.com> Private listings are controlled by the seller. Its an option that can be selected. You will see your bidder ID as you are a bidder but you will not see the others. For example with things like sexually explicit or high dollar items many times its prefered by the buyer to remain anonymous for obvious reasons. That said, That many bids on a set of machinist CDs????? The numbers of the bids make me wonder. They are probably fishing to uncover the high bidder by a dollar to poke the bid up as high as they can. Once they uncover your high bid by one dollar the hopes is you will bid again. This used to be very common and still happens some but Ebay usually catches it, especially if someone reports suspicious bidder activity. TTYL, Mark At 09:30 AM 10/25/07, you wrote: >Apparently this is a "new EBay thing" that a seller has no control over. >One of my recent listings came up that way (don't recall which one) & I >sure didn't set it up that way. Not something EBay should be able to >control imho!!!!!!!!!! > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- > >It's a private listing - all bidder's identities are kept secret. >Personally, I wouldn't buy from a private listing. > > > Pete >-- >Peter Scales > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Paul Maples > > Sent: 25 October 2007 12:56 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > > > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the > > bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is > > going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 > > some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that > > there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. > > > > Paul > > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 07:38:59 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20071025100924.02f64330@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <591951.45993.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Newbe bidders sometimes bid like that too. They just don't know any better. Mark Shulaw wrote: Private listings are controlled by the seller. Its an option that can be selected. You will see your bidder ID as you are a bidder but you will not see the others. For example with things like sexually explicit or high dollar items many times its prefered by the buyer to remain anonymous for obvious reasons. That said, That many bids on a set of machinist CDs????? The numbers of the bids make me wonder. They are probably fishing to uncover the high bidder by a dollar to poke the bid up as high as they can. Once they uncover your high bid by one dollar the hopes is you will bid again. This used to be very common and still happens some but Ebay usually catches it, especially if someone reports suspicious bidder activity. TTYL, Mark At 09:30 AM 10/25/07, you wrote: >Apparently this is a "new EBay thing" that a seller has no control over. >One of my recent listings came up that way (don't recall which one) & I >sure didn't set it up that way. Not something EBay should be able to >control imho!!!!!!!!!! > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- > >It's a private listing - all bidder's identities are kept secret. >Personally, I wouldn't buy from a private listing. > > > Pete >-- >Peter Scales > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Paul Maples > > Sent: 25 October 2007 12:56 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > > > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the > > bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is > > going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 > > some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that > > there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. > > > > Paul > > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Thu Oct 25 07:41:48 2007 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:41:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith References: <969512.18675.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004c01c81715$2cd667e0$d4ad57ca@n> G'day Kerry Yeah i will be there all day saturday. are ya gunna bring the Reid down!? cheers mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith > Any Aussie going to Lake Goldsmith weekend 2-3-4th > Nov. Cam, Fred & Myself > will be there after lunch Fri and plan to leave Sunday > Lunch time > > Kerry Morris > > Lithgow NSW > Oz > > > > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Oct 25 07:55:19 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:55:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <591951.45993.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20071025100924.02f64330@pop3.wcoil.com> <591951.45993.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071025105309.02f6b1b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Right, If they do not understand the proxy bid system. Mark At 10:38 AM 10/25/07, you wrote: >Newbe bidders sometimes bid like that too. >They just don't know any better. > >Mark Shulaw wrote: Private listings are controlled by >the seller. Its an option that can be >selected. You will see your bidder ID as you are a bidder but you will not >see the others. >For example with things like sexually explicit or high dollar items many >times its prefered by the buyer to remain anonymous for obvious reasons. >That said, >That many bids on a set of machinist CDs????? The numbers of the bids >make me wonder. They are probably fishing to uncover the high bidder by a >dollar to poke the bid up as high as they can. Once they uncover your high >bid by one dollar the hopes is you will bid again. This used to be very >common and still happens some but Ebay usually catches it, especially if >someone reports suspicious bidder activity. TTYL, Mark > > >At 09:30 AM 10/25/07, you wrote: > >Apparently this is a "new EBay thing" that a seller has no control over. > >One of my recent listings came up that way (don't recall which one) & I > >sure didn't set it up that way. Not something EBay should be able to > >control imho!!!!!!!!!! > > > >Lew Best near Waco, TX > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >It's a private listing - all bidder's identities are kept secret. > >Personally, I wouldn't buy from a private listing. > > > > > > Pete > >-- > >Peter Scales > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > > Paul Maples > > > Sent: 25 October 2007 12:56 > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > > > > > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the > > > bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is > > > going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 > > > some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that > > > there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. > > > > > > Paul > > > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From enginepaul at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 08:16:59 2007 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:16:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20071025105309.02f6b1b0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20071025100924.02f64330@pop3.wcoil.com> <591951.45993.qm@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20071025105309.02f6b1b0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0710250816m24cedde9l15a7b741c94e1660@mail.gmail.com> I understand that you have to start sometime, but this seller "since Aug-24-07" would make me a little nervous. I have had poor experiences with new sellers so I avoid them. If you add in the suspicious bidding then you may want to just pass - unless you like gambling. As far as hidden identities, I have been contacted after an auction with offers of the same item - but not for a while. Just a guy who used to like real auctions From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Oct 25 09:54:15 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Registry In-Reply-To: <041201c816d6$3950ace0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <001001c816d3$81dc0610$5fde653b@brad> <041201c816d6$3950ace0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <1238.165.206.180.53.1193331255.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Wow - doctors, judges, pommies, old college professors and now a famous actor.... Cool! Bill (I meant retired college professors...) Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1982 Eagle SX/4 1980 Eagle wagon http://theamcpages.com http://theamcforum.com Just kidding.......... > OK, welcome to the dislexic engine restorers. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bradley Pitt" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:51 PM > Subject: [SEL] Registry > > >> Come on Russ if they let you join surely there wasn't going to be any >> problems with me doing it.Thanks for the welcome >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 25 10:40:22 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:40:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! References: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> <007c01c81707$060af350$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <001601c8172e$1f0e6270$240110ac@FAMILY> Mine wasn't Peter, that is why I thought it was suspicious. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > It's a private listing - all bidder's identities are kept secret. > Personally, I wouldn't buy from a private listing. > > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> Paul Maples >> Sent: 25 October 2007 12:56 >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! >> >> Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the >> bidders list and tell me if you think something suspicious is >> going on. My bids (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 >> some odd bids are not. It is hard for me to believe that >> there are several "Private" bidders on these CD's but maybe there are. >> >> Paul >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177 >> 772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 25 10:42:08 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:42:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! References: <8301.59923.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c8172e$5e62d910$240110ac@FAMILY> Ok Alan, that makes sense. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > Paul, > ONLY YOU see your wheelterrapin ID on that list. > To me all bidders are hidden. > If you sign out on EBay you will see what I see. Then sign in and you > would again see only your name. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 25 10:43:14 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:43:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! References: Message-ID: <003101c8172e$866a0a50$240110ac@FAMILY> Joe I am with you, I think he has someone driving up the bids so I will steer clear of this. Thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > I'll tell you what I see. Notice the time stamps on the bids. It looks > like there were a couple of different bidding wars, but what are the > chances of > that? Not likely so early in the auction. I bet that he has a couple of > buddies driving the price up, or several ebay accounts himself. Leave it > alone > for now and then bid if he relists it. If it comes up for a second > chance > offer then you know his buddies were bidding the price up, and you know > that > Ebayer is fraudulent. > Also notice that he has no feedback rating. My advice? RUN! > Joe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 25 13:55:44 2007 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:55:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <969512.18675.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <969512.18675.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: G'day kerry, i will be there most of the weekend at this stage, keep an eye out for a 2.5hp sandwich in the open compounds,cheers Dave> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:57:05 +1000> From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith> > Any Aussie going to Lake Goldsmith weekend 2-3-4th> Nov. Cam, Fred & Myself > will be there after lunch Fri and plan to leave Sunday> Lunch time> > Kerry Morris> > Lithgow NSW> Oz > > > > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage.> http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Oct 25 14:26:24 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:26:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! References: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000701c8174d$b1f7b220$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Paul If you have any suspicions go through the Ebay disputes centre, I have always had good results no matter what the problem. Peter, Oz > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the bidders list > and tell me if you think something suspicious is going on. My bids > (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 some odd bids are not. It is > hard for me to believe that there are several "Private" bidders on these > CD's but maybe there are. > > Paul > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 25 16:37:29 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:37:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! References: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> <000701c8174d$b1f7b220$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <004001c81760$024cdc70$240110ac@FAMILY> Peter I just backed off from this item. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > Hi Paul > If you have any suspicions go through the Ebay disputes centre, I have > always had good results no matter what the problem. > > Peter, Oz > > > >> From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Thu Oct 25 17:06:19 2007 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:06:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith In-Reply-To: <969512.18675.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <969512.18675.qm@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Kerry, Have spoken to Cam and hope to see you guys there.RegardsLyndsay > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:57:05 +1000> From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith> > Any Aussie going to Lake Goldsmith weekend 2-3-4th> Nov. Cam, Fred & Myself > will be there after lunch Fri and plan to leave Sunday> Lunch time> > Kerry Morris> > Lithgow NSW> Oz > > > > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage.> http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_Future&_m=EXT From antiquejd at fwi.com Thu Oct 25 21:40:51 2007 From: antiquejd at fwi.com (Michael Ostrander) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:40:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <004001c81760$024cdc70$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Have been watching this thread and not piping up (til now). Perhaps I am naive but if the item is something you want and its priced within what an individual considers a good value, what difference does it make how it gets there. If its overpriced and all the bidders are known entities, its still overpriced, and you walk away. I have on occasion bid 6-8 times early to feel out another bidders increments so the last 5 minutes I have a better chance of getting it. I have several friends who buy under 3 or 4 different names because of how well known they are and some legitimate bidders will run them up if its in my friends "target collection". And finally, some people are just plain crazy. A few weeks ago, 2 valves sold for more money than the bidder would have paid directly from John Deere. Go figure! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! Peter I just backed off from this item. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > Hi Paul > If you have any suspicions go through the Ebay disputes centre, I have > always had good results no matter what the problem. > > Peter, Oz > > > >> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 10/24/2007 2:31 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 10/24/2007 2:31 PM From farmall36 at vci.net Fri Oct 26 02:07:23 2007 From: farmall36 at vci.net (farmall36 at vci.net) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:07:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Scam!! References: <002c01c816fd$f6818740$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <006001c817af$a8494970$6401a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Scammers, if not who cares how much or how many times anyone bids ? Unless theyre selling something nasty and they are afraid that noone would bid for fear of being busted out, slimeballs. I dont bid or sell unless its open to whoever wants to check on other bidders. That keeps the shill bidding to a minimum, and if im bidding and see a bunch of bids running the item up that either dont have no feedback at all or 1-2 I try to stick them with it. Then comes the second chance offer for my last bid, and I always just delete the offer. wheelturtle I think you done right by letting it go. Kevin Mosier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > Take a look at this E-bay Item: 270177772101 and look at the bidders list > and tell me if you think something suspicious is going on. My bids > (wheelterrapin) is listed but the next 20 some odd bids are not. It is > hard for me to believe that there are several "Private" bidders on these > CD's but maybe there are. > > Paul > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270177772101&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=017 > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Oct 26 04:41:40 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3025.165.206.180.53.1193398900.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I have to laugh about all the ebay antics and goings-on. Bottom line. If the item is something you want, or need, then you'd probably buy it for xx dollars from a store, another person, an online trading post or want-ad, whatever, and you'd pay that xx dollars. Perhaps more.... So you figure out what it's really worth to you, figure the maximum amount you want to bid or believe it's worth, figure in shipping, and you make that bid and sit back. If you get it for your price, great! What the heck is the point of this back and forth bidding by a buck or two on a $30 item. Bid your $30 and be done with it. If it goes for more, then you either need to re-evaluate, or be thankful that you didn't overpay! It's an auction - a way to buy, but people seem to treat it like a football game or competitive sport! Make your best bid, the MOST you are willing to pay for an item, and go enjoy your coffee. Why keep upping it $5 bucks at a time? The winner of any auction is the one who is willing to pay the most. If you win it, but paid much more than it's worth, what have you won but bragging rights? And that's all in your head, the other person may not give a rip. The other person may be sitting back thinking "sucker!" Some time ago, I bought a mirror on ebait, one that's really rare and hard to find. I've seen asking prices of $40 to $60, and I wanted it really bad, so bid $70. I got it for a 20 dollar bill. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1982 Eagle SX/4 1980 Eagle wagon http://theamcpages.com http://theamcforum.com > Have been watching this thread and not piping up (til now). Perhaps I am > naive but if the item is something you want and its priced within what an > individual considers a good value, what difference does it make how it > gets > there. If its overpriced and all the bidders are known entities, its > still > overpriced, and you walk away. I have on occasion bid 6-8 times early to > feel out another bidders increments so the last 5 minutes I have a better > chance of getting it. I have several friends who buy under 3 or 4 > different > names because of how well known they are and some legitimate bidders will > run them up if its in my friends "target collection". And finally, some > people are just plain crazy. A few weeks ago, 2 valves sold for more > money > than the bidder would have paid directly from John Deere. Go figure! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > > > Peter I just backed off from this item. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suscipious!! > > >> Hi Paul >> If you have any suspicions go through the Ebay disputes centre, I have >> always had good results no matter what the problem. >> >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: > 10/24/2007 > 2:31 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: > 10/24/2007 > 2:31 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Oct 26 04:59:27 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:59:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <3025.165.206.180.53.1193398900.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <3025.165.206.180.53.1193398900.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <4721D69F.7000009@scrtc.com> Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I have to laugh about all the ebay antics and goings-on. > >Bottom line. If the item is something you want, or need, then you'd >probably buy it for xx dollars from a store, another person, an online >trading post or want-ad, whatever, and you'd pay that xx dollars. Perhaps >more.... >So you figure out what it's really worth to you, figure the maximum amount >you want to bid or believe it's worth, figure in shipping, and you make >that bid and sit back. >If you get it for your price, great! >What the heck is the point of this back and forth bidding by a buck or two >on a $30 item. Bid your $30 and be done with it. >If it goes for more, then you either need to re-evaluate, or be thankful >that you didn't overpay! > >It's an auction - a way to buy, but people seem to treat it like a >football game or competitive sport! > >Make your best bid, the MOST you are willing to pay for an item, and go >enjoy your coffee. Why keep upping it $5 bucks at a time? The winner of >any auction is the one who is willing to pay the most. If you win it, but >paid much more than it's worth, what have you won but bragging rights? And >that's all in your head, the other person may not give a rip. The other >person may be sitting back thinking "sucker!" > >Some time ago, I bought a mirror on ebait, one that's really rare and hard >to find. I've seen asking prices of $40 to $60, and I wanted it really >bad, so bid $70. >I got it for a 20 dollar bill. > > >Bill >Runnells, Iowa >Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History >http://antique-engines.com >1970 Javelin >1982 Eagle SX/4 >1980 Eagle wagon >http://theamcpages.com >http://theamcforum.com > > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Oct 26 06:24:02 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:24:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <4721D69F.7000009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000001c817d3$811f2760$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> I agree with you Tommy. Imho early bidding just drives up the price. I just bid my maximum thru ezsniper; bid goes in within the last few seconds automatically & it costs very little. Also, if you refer new folks to it you can get "free sniping credits." Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 26 06:58:38 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <000001c817d3$811f2760$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <91919.13105.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Lew, I have used this free service for several years. I get three free snipes 10 - 20 seconds before the auction closes each week. Yes,,, They offer a paid service that will snipe in the last couple seconds. If I want something that bad I will be right there with this blazing fast cable modem and snipe it myself. http://auctionsnipe.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Lew Best wrote: I agree with you Tommy. Imho early bidding just drives up the price. I just bid my maximum thru ezsniper; bid goes in within the last few seconds automatically & it costs very little. Also, if you refer new folks to it you can get "free sniping credits." Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Oct 26 07:15:06 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:15:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <91919.13105.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c817da$a0595ea0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Interesting; thanks! I'll check it out. I used to just "snipe it myself" but often forget to get on right near the end. Just too much going on now I guess. I have wireless broadband (cable not available out here in the country :( ) but it goes down unexpectedly sometimes. Lew -----Original Message----- Hey Lew, I have used this free service for several years. I get three free snipes 10 - 20 seconds before the auction closes each week. Yes,,, They offer a paid service that will snipe in the last couple seconds. If I want something that bad I will be right there with this blazing fast cable modem and snipe it myself. http://auctionsnipe.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Lew Best wrote: I agree with you Tommy. Imho early bidding just drives up the price. I just bid my maximum thru ezsniper; bid goes in within the last few seconds automatically & it costs very little. Also, if you refer new folks to it you can get "free sniping credits." Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Oct 26 09:05:08 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:05:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hickory Corners Show Pictures Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Here are this years pictures from June 23 of the Kalamazoo Valley Antique Engine & Machinery Club located in Hickory Corners Michigan. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo07/kalamazoo2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!? Play Star Shuffle:? the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 26 09:48:25 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:48:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hickory Corners Show Pictures References: Message-ID: <001e01c817f0$12c1cda0$f04d0b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Hickory Corners Show Pictures Hi Everyone, Here are this years pictures from June 23 of the Kalamazoo Valley Antique Engine & Machinery Club located in Hickory Corners Michigan. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo07/kalamazoo2007.htmlLuke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA _________________________________________________________________ Hi Luke, That got into a bit of a tangle.Try http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo07/kalamazoo2007.html Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From ottawa at pa.net Fri Oct 26 10:16:55 2007 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:16:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! References: <001301c817da$a0595ea0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <048e01c817f4$0288adb0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Different item! Take a look at this items final price! Bids weren't private! Would any of you paid this much? Unless I don't understand the bidding system, after looking at the bid history I would say these were individual bids! http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230180003402 Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Lew Best To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! Interesting; thanks! I'll check it out. I used to just "snipe it myself" but often forget to get on right near the end. Just too much going on now I guess. I have wireless broadband (cable not available out here in the country :( ) but it goes down unexpectedly sometimes. Lew -----Original Message----- Hey Lew, I have used this free service for several years. I get three free snipes 10 - 20 seconds before the auction closes each week. Yes,,, They offer a paid service that will snipe in the last couple seconds. If I want something that bad I will be right there with this blazing fast cable modem and snipe it myself. http://auctionsnipe.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Lew Best wrote: I agree with you Tommy. Imho early bidding just drives up the price. I just bid my maximum thru ezsniper; bid goes in within the last few seconds automatically & it costs very little. Also, if you refer new folks to it you can get "free sniping credits." Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 26 11:06:16 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <048e01c817f4$0288adb0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <494576.60322.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Helen. That sure is a weird one. Notice the very first little bid was by the same guy that won it. Have you clicked on his little (11) feedback? You would like the comment from the seller of the top item listed. Then go look at what he paid for that item. US $1,199.99 and here is a direct link to that item. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300136274965 He knows how to spend money. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan George/Helen Myers wrote: Different item! Take a look at this items final price! Bids weren't private! Would any of you paid this much? Unless I don't understand the bidding system, after looking at the bid history I would say these were individual bids! http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230180003402 Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Lew Best To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! Interesting; thanks! I'll check it out. I used to just "snipe it myself" but often forget to get on right near the end. Just too much going on now I guess. I have wireless broadband (cable not available out here in the country :( ) but it goes down unexpectedly sometimes. Lew -----Original Message----- Hey Lew, I have used this free service for several years. I get three free snipes 10 - 20 seconds before the auction closes each week. Yes,,, They offer a paid service that will snipe in the last couple seconds. If I want something that bad I will be right there with this blazing fast cable modem and snipe it myself. http://auctionsnipe.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Lew Best wrote: I agree with you Tommy. Imho early bidding just drives up the price. I just bid my maximum thru ezsniper; bid goes in within the last few seconds automatically & it costs very little. Also, if you refer new folks to it you can get "free sniping credits." Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Oct 26 11:39:08 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:39:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hickory Corners Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <001e01c817f0$12c1cda0$f04d0b52@intrepid> References: <001e01c817f0$12c1cda0$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Don't know how that got messed up.......... Thanks for straightening it out.Luke TonnebergerRockford, MichiganUSA=================== > From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> > Hi Luke, That got into a bit of a tangle.Try> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/kzoo07/kalamazoo2007.html> _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From ottawa at pa.net Fri Oct 26 11:54:07 2007 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:54:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! References: <494576.60322.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04c801c81801$968e4800$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Alan, based on the condition and appearance that sound like rather fair price. It was a "buy it now" item. I would hate to pay the shipping to Australia. Maybe he was testing the water in the beginning! The point I was making was the price of the gauges. Most of them on ebay have been going for like new price but this is more than double. Maybe he doesn't have a known source for buying a new set. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Bowen To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! Thanks, Helen. That sure is a weird one. Notice the very first little bid was by the same guy that won it. Have you clicked on his little (11) feedback? You would like the comment from the seller of the top item listed. Then go look at what he paid for that item. US $1,199.99 and here is a direct link to that item. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300136274965 He knows how to spend money. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan George/Helen Myers wrote: Different item! Take a look at this items final price! Bids weren't private! Would any of you paid this much? Unless I don't understand the bidding system, after looking at the bid history I would say these were individual bids! http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230180003402 Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Lew Best To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! Interesting; thanks! I'll check it out. I used to just "snipe it myself" but often forget to get on right near the end. Just too much going on now I guess. I have wireless broadband (cable not available out here in the country :( ) but it goes down unexpectedly sometimes. Lew -----Original Message----- Hey Lew, I have used this free service for several years. I get three free snipes 10 - 20 seconds before the auction closes each week. Yes,,, They offer a paid service that will snipe in the last couple seconds. If I want something that bad I will be right there with this blazing fast cable modem and snipe it myself. http://auctionsnipe.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Lew Best wrote: I agree with you Tommy. Imho early bidding just drives up the price. I just bid my maximum thru ezsniper; bid goes in within the last few seconds automatically & it costs very little. Also, if you refer new folks to it you can get "free sniping credits." Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- Bill, Yeah, but I want to try to "slip up" on something! Nothing wrong with a guy wanting to buy a $100 item for a buck is there?........ just having some fun here. I echo your comments. If its worth $30 to you, bid it and ebay will let you know if you won. I still like the idea of something for (almost) nothing though! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Oct 26 12:42:45 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:42:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <494576.60322.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <494576.60322.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47224335.6010907@scrtc.com> I have one exactly like that. I purchased it at an auction this summer for $150 and I gurantee you mine is in as good a shape mechanically (no wear, etc) as that one. If I could find some sucker to pay $1199 for it, it would have a new home! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Thanks, Helen. >That sure is a weird one. >Notice the very first little bid was by the same guy that won it. >Have you clicked on his little (11) feedback? >You would like the comment from the seller of the top item listed. >Then go look at what he paid for that item. >US $1,199.99 and here is a direct link to that item. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300136274965 >He knows how to spend money. >Alan Bowen >Williamsburg, Michigan > >George/Helen Myers wrote: Different item! >Take a look at this items final price! Bids weren't private! Would any of you paid this much? >Unless I don't understand the bidding system, after looking at the bid history I would say these were individual bids! > >http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230180003402 > >Helen > > From oiseming at moscow.com Fri Oct 26 13:37:38 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:37:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! In-Reply-To: <048e01c817f4$0288adb0$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <200710262038.l9QKc3m8091567@mail-gw.fsr.net> I paid $5.00 for mine, new and unused. $102.50? No way! Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George/Helen Myers Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! Different item! Take a look at this items final price! Bids weren't private! Would any of you paid this much? Unless I don't understand the bidding system, after looking at the bid history I would say these were individual bids! http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230180003402 Helen From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 26 15:54:33 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:54:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-bay Bidding Suspicious!! References: <494576.60322.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c81823$2d5c6110$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > US $1,199.99 and here is a direct link to that item. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300136274965 > He knows how to spend money. >>>>>>>> That aint so bad for a brand new US made mill . It does take all kinds though . There was a guy a couple years ago building a million dollar knuckle or something that made quite splash on the bike boards . If you went backwards through his feedback and looked at his auctions he paid almost 900 bucks for a 1940-59 HD toolbox 500 bucks for the dash , 500 bucks for the switch and on and on and on and on . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From dscott at kooee.com.au Sat Oct 27 17:10:15 2007 From: dscott at kooee.com.au (des scott) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:10:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test only Message-ID: <000801c818f6$ea919510$0201010a@pc> From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 27 17:14:18 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:14:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. Message-ID: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> Having recently lost my computer & had it replaced I have managed to get most things back working but can anyone suggest sites that list the useful engine sites giving links to what we need? IE particular engine types/countries/hot air or other information? Any help appreciated. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From farmall36 at vci.net Sat Oct 27 17:35:13 2007 From: farmall36 at vci.net (farmall36 at vci.net) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:35:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test only References: <000801c818f6$ea919510$0201010a@pc> Message-ID: <000801c818fa$6db7c5b0$6401a8c0@FAMILYROOM> test ok 19:22 ----- Original Message ----- From: "des scott" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: [SEL] test only > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sat Oct 27 17:53:41 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:53:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. In-Reply-To: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> References: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <03b801c818fc$fc1307f0$8335c53e@doc> Dave There's always http://www.internalfire.com/ and Peter Forbes' pages, http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/, not to mention http://www.oldengine.org/ itself. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Croft > Sent: 28 October 2007 01:14 > To: atis > Cc: Oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. > > Having recently lost my computer & had it replaced I have > managed to get > most things back working but can anyone suggest sites that > list the useful engine > sites giving links to what we need? IE particular engine > types/countries/hot air or > other information? Any help appreciated. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Oct 27 18:51:50 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:51:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. In-Reply-To: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> References: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: www.apple.com On Oct 27, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Dave Croft wrote: > Having recently lost my computer & had it replaced I have managed to > get > most things back working but can anyone suggest sites that list the > useful engine sites giving links to what we need? IE particular > engine types/countries/hot air or other information? Any help > appreciated. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 19:08:56 2007 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. Message-ID: <377485.65384.qm@web35415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Rob Dave asked for engine sites not Mcmaytag motors All the best Kerry www.apple.com Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 28 02:55:16 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:55:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ Message-ID: <000e01c81948$a53cbce0$daba693a@fred> Can anyone help me to move an engine from Murwillumbah NSW. to Victoria please. Brian. (03)97266147 From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 28 03:21:37 2007 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:21:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN Message-ID: Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave _________________________________________________________________ New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 28 03:29:38 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:29:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN References: Message-ID: <000f01c8194d$72574fc0$8db71fd3@Edd> Thanks for the warning Dave. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: "sel list" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN > > Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor > collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here > again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the > tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my > suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was > very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine > to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector > interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross > engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the > same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and > justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an > offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave > _________________________________________________________________ > New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! > http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Oct 28 03:36:39 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:36:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN References: Message-ID: <005b01c8194e$6ebf8d90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Have you advised the fraud squad? He needs catching ASAP. Hey, you might be part of a 'sting' Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: "sel list" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN > > Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor > collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here > again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the > tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my > suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was > very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine > to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector > interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross > engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the > same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and > justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an > offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave > _________________________________________________________________ > New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! > http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sun Oct 28 03:41:21 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:41:21 +1300 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good idea letting people know is there anyone by that name or phone number listed in your area with that number is it worth letting the police know just in case someone could fall victim brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of David Nicolson Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:22 PM To: sel list Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave _________________________________________________________________ New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referr al=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Oct 28 03:52:46 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:52:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ In-Reply-To: <000e01c81948$a53cbce0$daba693a@fred> References: <000e01c81948$a53cbce0$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071028215202.01a6b210@ncable.com.au> Brian, send it to me, It's closer and it will be in Victoria! Russell At 08:55 PM 28/10/2007, you wrote: >Can anyone help me to move an engine from Murwillumbah NSW. >to Victoria please. >Brian. >(03)97266147 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 28 04:02:36 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (pml1 at bigpond.net.au) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:02:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN Message-ID: <9671548.1193569356748.JavaMail.root@web08sl> This same low life was at work a year or so ago with the same scam. I hope the police can find a nice cell for him. Patrick ---- David Nicolson wrote: > > Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave From oldengines at bigpond.com Sun Oct 28 04:12:42 2007 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:12:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN References: <005b01c8194e$6ebf8d90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001801c81953$75d39680$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Hi all Dave contacted me on Friday and told me the details i said it was a scam but tell him we would pick up and pay cash he went cold. but thinking about it all weekend i remembered a sth oz guy who got caught before on one in which his evidence proceeded to catch him last time and the new one has also contacted him on tractor bits so i put dave and tony together and they had the same phone no and 2 diferent names . Tony will be in contact with the arresting officer from before this week as last week he was on holidays .if any body else is contacted by the scammer contact dave ore myself and we put you to tony or the po;lice in question Ron & Liz Sullivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN > Have you advised the fraud squad? > He needs catching ASAP. > Hey, you might be part of a 'sting' > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Nicolson" > To: "sel list" > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:21 PM > Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN > > >> >> Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor >> collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here >> again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the >> tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my >> suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was >> very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine >> to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector >> interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross >> engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were >> the >> same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and >> justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an >> offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave >> _________________________________________________________________ >> New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! >> http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Oct 28 06:11:33 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:11:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. In-Reply-To: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <200710281312.l9SDBvfK071993@mail-gw.fsr.net> It has been a long time since this was checked for broken links, but here are some more places to look. http://www.oldengine.org/members/orrin/link_lst.htm Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:14 PM To: atis Cc: Oldengine.org Subject: Computer help required. Having recently lost my computer & had it replaced I have managed to get most things back working but can anyone suggest sites that list the useful engine sites giving links to what we need? IE particular engine types/countries/hot air or other information? Any help appreciated. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Oct 28 13:30:17 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:30:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ References: <000e01c81948$a53cbce0$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <001701c819a1$5ac63f70$0601a8c0@altech> How big Brian, I could come up and get it as far as Grafton and maybe Newcastle at Christmas. Peter > Can anyone help me to move an engine from Murwillumbah NSW. > to Victoria please. > Brian. > (03)97266147 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Oct 28 13:32:21 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:32:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN References: <9671548.1193569356748.JavaMail.root@web08sl> Message-ID: <002501c819a1$a48de1d0$0601a8c0@altech> Do you really think he would do time !!! you get off with rape and murder in this country. Peter, Oz > This same low life was at work a year or so ago with the same scam. I hope > the police can find a nice cell for him. > Patrick > ---- David Nicolson wrote: >> >> Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor >> collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here >> again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the >> tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my >> suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was >> very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine >> to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector >> interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross >> engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were >> the same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn >> and justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an >> offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Oct 28 16:04:50 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (pjp at steamengine.com.au) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:04:50 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19883.203.39.62.50.1193612690.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au> Report the calls and the phone number to TOMM and to the Police. Paul > > Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor > collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here > again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the > tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my > suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was > very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine > to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector > interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross > engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the > same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and > justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an > offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave > _________________________________________________________________ > New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! > http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 28 19:44:49 2007 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:44:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN In-Reply-To: <19883.203.39.62.50.1193612690.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au> References: <19883.203.39.62.50.1193612690.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: already done,cheers Dave> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:04:50 +1100> From: pjp at steamengine.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN> > Report the calls and the phone number to TOMM and to the Police.> > Paul> > >> > Hi All, i thought i should post this warning to the engine and tractor> > collectors in australia, it appears another conman is operating here> > again,i recieved a phone call late last week in response to an ad in the> > tomm magazine with an offer to good to be true and this aroussed my> > suspicion,it was a near complete lamp start hornsby for 600.00aud,he was> > very pushy for me to pay via direct deposit and he would ship the engine> > to me,i then recieved a phone call from another engine collector> > interstate who had recieved another too good to be true offer of a cross> > engine case tractor same price,we compared phone numbers and they were the> > same but the conman is using two different names,they are andrew hahn and> > justin turner and he says he is from sydney area,so if you recieve an> > offer that sounds too good beware!!!!!!!!!, regards Dave> > _________________________________________________________________> > New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now!> > http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders From curt at imc-group.com Mon Oct 29 05:01:31 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:01:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] WARNING CONMAN OPERATING IN OZ AGAIN In-Reply-To: <001801c81953$75d39680$1c02a8c0@ronliz> References: <005b01c8194e$6ebf8d90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001801c81953$75d39680$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Message-ID: <4725CB9B.3020005@imc-group.com> Ron, An old saying is "you can't con an honest man". Why don't you guys fuck with this guy a little. Next time he calls tell him you'd like to pay him a little more than he's asking to assure you get the engine in case word of this gets around. Then have another buddy call him with some story about how he got the number, and your buddy tell this con man he'd like to buy it for even more money, but please don't tell you about this deal. Then another and another can get in on it, running the price up. Maybe someone is willing to send a check on a bogus checking account. (legal?) When the fellow cashes the check at his bank, he gets hit with charges for taking a bad check. Be creative, it'll be fun! Curt Ron Sullivan wrote: > Hi all > Dave contacted me on Friday and told me the details i said it was a scam but > tell him we would pick up and pay cash he went cold. but thinking about it > all weekend i remembered a sth oz guy who got caught before on one in which > his evidence proceeded to catch him last time and the new one has also > contacted him on tractor bits so i put dave and tony together and they had > the same phone no and 2 diferent names . > Tony will be in contact with the arresting officer from before this week as > last week he was on holidays .if any body else is contacted by the scammer > contact dave ore myself and we put you to tony or the po;lice in question > Ron & Liz Sullivan > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 29 05:14:43 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:14:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Message-ID: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> They build the Toyota Camry's here in KY about 100 miles from me. I was just reading about their new engine design for the Hybrid Camry model and it said this: The first half of the combined 187 horsepower (same output as the 2006 Camry V-6 3.0 liter) unit is a 147 horsepower, 2.4 litre four cylinder Atkinson-cycle engine (a more efficient engine design) Now if they'll just make it a hit and miss, we'll be set! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 29 05:46:16 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:46:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] drip oilers Message-ID: G'day all; Up until now, I've had great luck with these...now I've got two that will shutoff, but cannot adjust for a slow drip. Both needle tips are rounded off, so this was my first clue. Second clue is that the knurled(?) adjuster is bottomed out :-(( What would ya'll recommend for a fix? TIA, RickinMt. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Oct 29 06:43:34 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:43:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] drip oilers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4725E386.8020905@imc-group.com> Rick, You know the answer, you just don't want to admit it.....it's too short. :-) Sounds like you'll be making a couple of needles. Curt Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > Up until now, I've had great luck with these...now I've got two that will > shutoff, but cannot adjust for a slow drip. Both needle tips are rounded > off, so this was my first clue. Second clue is that the knurled(?) adjuster > is bottomed out :-(( > > What would ya'll recommend for a fix? > > > TIA, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 29 06:45:58 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:45:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Computer help required. References: <000301c818f7$7cd82d30$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <004b01c81a32$09b234e0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> is harold's still up ? From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 29 07:16:25 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:16:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] drip oilers References: <4725E386.8020905@imc-group.com> Message-ID: LMAO Curt...yea, yer probably right. I'll take another look at them and see what I can do..or rather my machinist bud. Thanks much, me ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] drip oilers > Rick, > You know the answer, you just don't want to admit it.....it's too short. > :-) > > Sounds like you'll be making a couple of needles. > Curt > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > G'day all; > > Up until now, I've had great luck with these...now I've got two that > > will > > shutoff, but cannot adjust for a slow drip. Both needle tips are > > rounded > > off, so this was my first clue. Second clue is that the knurled(?) > > adjuster > > is bottomed out :-(( > > > > What would ya'll recommend for a fix? > > > > > > TIA, > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Oct 29 08:09:15 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:09:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] drip oilers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071029100335.02f095a0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Rick, Sometimes the main glass gaskets are too thick. Gaskets get replaced with too thick of material. Or real thin gaskets can sometimes cheat you the room you need to make the needles reach more closely without complicated repairs. Or the glass was replaced and it was a bit too tall. Otherwise new or modified.needles are in order. Mark At 07:46 AM 10/29/07, you wrote: >G'day all; > Up until now, I've had great luck with these...now I've got two that will >shutoff, but cannot adjust for a slow drip. Both needle tips are rounded >off, so this was my first clue. Second clue is that the knurled(?) adjuster >is bottomed out :-(( > > What would ya'll recommend for a fix? > >TIA, >RickinMt. Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 29 07:38:59 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:38:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AA89@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> The Ford Escape hybrid has used a 4 cylinder Atkinson cycle engine since the Ford hybrid was introduced. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:15 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology They build the Toyota Camry's here in KY about 100 miles from me. I was just reading about their new engine design for the Hybrid Camry model and it said this: The first half of the combined 187 horsepower (same output as the 2006 Camry V-6 3.0 liter) unit is a 147 horsepower, 2.4 litre four cylinder Atkinson-cycle engine (a more efficient engine design) Now if they'll just make it a hit and miss, we'll be set! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 29 07:40:00 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:40:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this used in any other modern application? For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson Cycle is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't remember. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:15 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology They build the Toyota Camry's here in KY about 100 miles from me. I was just reading about their new engine design for the Hybrid Camry model and it said this: The first half of the combined 187 horsepower (same output as the 2006 Camry V-6 3.0 liter) unit is a 147 horsepower, 2.4 litre four cylinder Atkinson-cycle engine (a more efficient engine design) Now if they'll just make it a hit and miss, we'll be set! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From JR504 at aol.com Mon Oct 29 08:03:35 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:03:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Message-ID: In a message dated 10/29/2007 8:30:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: The first half of the combined 187 horsepower (same output as the 2006 Camry V-6 3.0 liter) unit is a 147 horsepower, 2.4 litre four cylinder Atkinson-cycle engine (a more efficient engine design) All of Toyotas and Fords Hybrids are Atkinson Cycle Engines. They do it with variable valve timing instead of changing the stroke length, but the end result is the same. That's the reason they only run on low octane gas, and have such low compression numbers for a modern engine. I think it's pretty cool. Joe Rappa Mexico,NY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 29 08:22:04 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:22:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive are you to collecting that type? By "type" I mean, vertical, horizontal, sideshaft, hit&miss, throttle governed, air cooled, tank cooled, low tension, hot tube, inverted, oil field, small, large, 2 cycle or 4 cycle, etc. In otherwords what type or style of engine do you collect or prefer. This is NOT what manufacturer you collect. For example, I've pretty much have decided that although I like most types of engines I've been leaning more towards vertical engines lately. Most of the engines I've bought the last few years have been verticals and two engines that I'm interested in buying now are also verticals. So although I haven't switched to only buying verticals it is a something I'm considering. Of course a cam stopper in my price range or some other exotic would toss the verticals only idea out the window! ;-) George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 29 08:09:54 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:09:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] drip oilers Message-ID: <20071029.101431.560.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick, Have you changed gaskets or glass ? I had a similar problem and it was caused by me changing the gaskets. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "?A road map tells you everything (_o_) except how to refold it". From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 29 09:08:07 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:08:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> <001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <47260567.8010209@scrtc.com> Wow, thats a really neat site Bill. I just saw George's post about the Escape Hybrid using the Atkinson. I bet you're right, the first time a mechanic tears into one of these he's probably thinking "what the heck....". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching >their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this >used in any other modern application? > >For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson Cycle >is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't >remember. > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Oct 29 09:15:32 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:15:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> Hey George, good to hear from you. Good topic. I tend toward horizontal engines, mainly out of concern for handling them. I like to go to engine shows and handling vertical engines always concerns me with the high CG. I tend to hit and miss rather than throttlers. However, one little throttler intrigued me at a show this weekend. A WisconnaPep (sp?). The intricate casting shape at the top of the water hopper to hold the tanks was really neat. Thankfully some else bought it and it did not follow me home! I'm out of room at home. I prefer engine other than hopper cooled. The more unusual the cooling method the better. I get more questions about what a screen cooler is (Famous) and what a tray cooler (Alamo) than just about anything else. Hopper cooled engines with site gages are neat. I prefer ignitor engines over spark plug models. Mag vs. battery and coil makes no difference. But a mag is more convenient vs. the battery and coil. I like engines that display flowing petrol. Engines with working parts on the non traditional side are neat too. Engines of 2 cycle design rarely capture collecting interest. I like oilfields for their size, but not enough to plant one in the yard. The more monkey motion the better. Engines with unique governing systems I find more desirable. I find gasoline engines most desirable, then kero engines, with diesels in last place. I appreciate engines most in their as found working clothes. However, more common engines, long missing any original paint, I find painted in exceptional fashion very nice. I admire what the European collectors do with their engines. I tend to collect engines in the 5 to 10HP range, followed by engines under 5 HP, and last under consideration would be engines over 10 HP. Curt Best, George wrote: > Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: > > Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive > are you to collecting that type? > > By "type" I mean, vertical, horizontal, sideshaft, hit&miss, throttle > governed, air cooled, tank cooled, low tension, hot tube, inverted, oil > field, small, large, 2 cycle or 4 cycle, etc. In otherwords what type > or style of engine do you collect or prefer. This is NOT what > manufacturer you collect. > > For example, I've pretty much have decided that although I like most > types of engines I've been leaning more towards vertical engines lately. > Most of the engines I've bought the last few years have been verticals > and two engines that I'm interested in buying now are also verticals. So > although I haven't switched to only buying verticals it is a something > I'm considering. Of course a cam stopper in my price range or some > other exotic would toss the verticals only idea out the window! ;-) > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 29 09:40:56 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:40:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AEAD@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Thanks Curt! You put more into your reply than I had hoped for. I'm pretty much like you in my preferences as well. With the exception that I'm leaning more towards the verticals. 2 cycles of are of no interest to me. Although I prefer low tension ignition over high tension. I find some sparkplug engines interesting especially if they have a flipper mag. I wouldn't want a sparkplug engine if it used a buzz coil, just haven't had good luck with buzz coils and stay away from them if possible. I also prefer the 4hp to 10hp size of engine. I think the larger engines show better as they can run slower than the smaller hp engines. 2000 lbs is the most I can easily move around without it being on a cart, so that's another reason most of mine are aroung the 5hp size. While I've had a few 5000+ lb engines at my place years ago it was during a period of time I was keeping a forklift for a friend. The forklift is gone so the one ton limit is keeping me from looking at the big stuff. Besides the big stuff also takes up more space. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:16 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine Hey George, good to hear from you. Good topic. I tend toward horizontal engines, mainly out of concern for handling them. I like to go to engine shows and handling vertical engines always concerns me with the high CG. I tend to hit and miss rather than throttlers. However, one little throttler intrigued me at a show this weekend. A WisconnaPep (sp?). The intricate casting shape at the top of the water hopper to hold the tanks was really neat. Thankfully some else bought it and it did not follow me home! I'm out of room at home. I prefer engine other than hopper cooled. The more unusual the cooling method the better. I get more questions about what a screen cooler is (Famous) and what a tray cooler (Alamo) than just about anything else. Hopper cooled engines with site gages are neat. I prefer ignitor engines over spark plug models. Mag vs. battery and coil makes no difference. But a mag is more convenient vs. the battery and coil. I like engines that display flowing petrol. Engines with working parts on the non traditional side are neat too. Engines of 2 cycle design rarely capture collecting interest. I like oilfields for their size, but not enough to plant one in the yard. The more monkey motion the better. Engines with unique governing systems I find more desirable. I find gasoline engines most desirable, then kero engines, with diesels in last place. I appreciate engines most in their as found working clothes. However, more common engines, long missing any original paint, I find painted in exceptional fashion very nice. I admire what the European collectors do with their engines. I tend to collect engines in the 5 to 10HP range, followed by engines under 5 HP, and last under consideration would be engines over 10 HP. Curt Best, George wrote: > Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: > > Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive > are you to collecting that type? > > By "type" I mean, vertical, horizontal, sideshaft, hit&miss, throttle > governed, air cooled, tank cooled, low tension, hot tube, inverted, > oil field, small, large, 2 cycle or 4 cycle, etc. In otherwords what > type or style of engine do you collect or prefer. This is NOT what > manufacturer you collect. > > For example, I've pretty much have decided that although I like most > types of engines I've been leaning more towards vertical engines lately. > Most of the engines I've bought the last few years have been verticals > and two engines that I'm interested in buying now are also verticals. > So although I haven't switched to only buying verticals it is a > something I'm considering. Of course a cam stopper in my price range > or some other exotic would toss the verticals only idea out the > window! ;-) > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From bdb at mchsi.com Mon Oct 29 12:19:44 2007 From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:19:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> <47260567.8010209@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000c01c81a60$b6e6a2d0$7fd1ce0c@VALUED20606295> We bought a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid a couple months ago and it definitely is different. The little gas motor in tandem with the electric motor develops an unbelievable amount of power to the wheels. The Atkinson engine alone is a pooch but gets really good mileage. I hope to see one of the Atkinson engines taken apart someday, hopefully not ours. Barry Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Wow, thats a really neat site Bill. I just saw George's post about the Escape Hybrid using the Atkinson. I bet you're right, the first time a mechanic tears into one of these he's probably thinking "what the heck....". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching >their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this >used in any other modern application? > >For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson >Cycle >is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't >remember. > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Oct 29 13:18:23 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:18:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AA89@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <004401c81a69$9c7f3610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Is there a schematic of these later multi cylinder so called 'Atkinson' engines?. I dont think they are true old style Atkinsons. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology > The Ford Escape hybrid has used a 4 cylinder Atkinson cycle engine since > the Ford hybrid was introduced. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge > Tommy Turner > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:15 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology > > They build the Toyota Camry's here in KY about 100 miles from me. I was > just reading about their new engine design for the Hybrid Camry model > and it said this: > > > The first half of the combined 187 horsepower (same output as the 2006 > Camry V-6 3.0 liter) unit is a 147 horsepower, 2.4 litre four cylinder > Atkinson-cycle engine (a more efficient engine design) > > > Now if they'll just make it a hit and miss, we'll be set! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 29 13:27:48 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:27:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <000c01c81a60$b6e6a2d0$7fd1ce0c@VALUED20606295> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local><47260567.8010209@scrtc.com> <000c01c81a60$b6e6a2d0$7fd1ce0c@VALUED20606295> Message-ID: <00ba01c81a6a$2bb18950$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> What is it about the hybrid cars that makes the Atkinson the engine of choice? If it's so good here (by whatever criteria), why don't we see the Atkinson in other applications? B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bdb Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology We bought a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid a couple months ago and it definitely is different. The little gas motor in tandem with the electric motor develops an unbelievable amount of power to the wheels. The Atkinson engine alone is a pooch but gets really good mileage. I hope to see one of the Atkinson engines taken apart someday, hopefully not ours. Barry Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Wow, thats a really neat site Bill. I just saw George's post about the Escape Hybrid using the Atkinson. I bet you're right, the first time a mechanic tears into one of these he's probably thinking "what the heck....". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching >their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this >used in any other modern application? > >For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson >Cycle >is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't >remember. > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 13:44:27 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:44:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160710291344v17401b5eqb276ef0b0df5e008@mail.gmail.com> On 29/10/2007, Best, George wrote: > Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: > > Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive > are you to collecting that type? > Horizontal, side-shaft, diesel preferably. Nice to see it all working and watching the camshaft and lubricator mechanisms. Most of the bigger engines are within that window of preference. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Oct 29 14:05:47 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:05:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local><47260567.8010209@scrtc.com><000c01c81a60$b6e6a2d0$7fd1ce0c@VALUED20606295> <00ba01c81a6a$2bb18950$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <006301c81a6f$7d4f2510$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> There were two types. The 'Differential' had two pistons in one bore. It had problems and was followed by the 4 cycles in one turn of the flywheel. The linkages made each stroke a different lenght. Thus, the intake stroke was half the lenght of the power stroke. This gave the burnt gas time to expand and do its work. THAT was the main point of the design. It is still about the most fuel efficient/power obtained design. Its drawbacks were the linkage system. I cannot see how this can be obtained by valve timing! Hence my asking if there were pictorial details of the later, so called, Atkinson design. Hey, maybe there were two Atkinson persons? The original Atkinson became chief engineer for Crossley after Otto's patent on the 4 cycle expired. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology What is it about the hybrid cars that makes the Atkinson the engine of choice? If it's so good here (by whatever criteria), why don't we see the Atkinson in other applications? B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bdb Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology We bought a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid a couple months ago and it definitely is different. The little gas motor in tandem with the electric motor develops an unbelievable amount of power to the wheels. The Atkinson engine alone is a pooch but gets really good mileage. I hope to see one of the Atkinson engines taken apart someday, hopefully not ours. Barry Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Wow, thats a really neat site Bill. I just saw George's post about the Escape Hybrid using the Atkinson. I bet you're right, the first time a mechanic tears into one of these he's probably thinking "what the heck....". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching >their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this >used in any other modern application? > >For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson >Cycle >is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't >remember. > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 29 14:15:42 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:15:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <004401c81a69$9c7f3610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AA89@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <004401c81a69$9c7f3610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00ce01c81a70$dcbde170$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> This answers several of the questions, including my own... http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1487186 B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Is there a schematic of these later multi cylinder so called 'Atkinson' engines?. I dont think they are true old style Atkinsons. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Oct 29 14:20:29 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:20:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <000d01c81a71$88714390$0601a8c0@altech> Hi George I guess I would have to say R&V engines, but I would not say I was obsessed with collecting them. I do run the register but not actively looking for anymore. I am very much interested in their history and researching R&V keeps me very busy. I am with you on the verticals, they take up less space ;-)) Having just recently imported a 2hp R&V vertical from the USA, I think that will be my last one. Well, if I do find an orphan without a home, you know how the story goes ............;-) I do prefer throttled governed engines. Peter, Oz > Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: > > Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive > are you to collecting that type? > > By "type" I mean, vertical, horizontal, sideshaft, hit&miss, throttle > governed, air cooled, tank cooled, low tension, hot tube, inverted, oil > field, small, large, 2 cycle or 4 cycle, etc. In otherwords what type > or style of engine do you collect or prefer. This is NOT what > manufacturer you collect. > > For example, I've pretty much have decided that although I like most > types of engines I've been leaning more towards vertical engines lately. > Most of the engines I've bought the last few years have been verticals > and two engines that I'm interested in buying now are also verticals. So > although I haven't switched to only buying verticals it is a something > I'm considering. Of course a cam stopper in my price range or some > other exotic would toss the verticals only idea out the window! ;-) > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 29 14:27:31 2007 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:27:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <006301c81a6f$7d4f2510$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local><47260567.8010209@scrtc.com><000c01c81a60$b6e6a2d0$7fd1ce0c@VALUED20606295><00ba01c81a6a$2bb18950$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> <006301c81a6f$7d4f2510$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00d801c81a72$83bb1910$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> The term Atkinson apparently has come to refer to a design where the intake/compression and the power/exhaust cycles are of different displacement. It does not refer to the neat arrangement of levers that the original Atkinson demonstrated. And the power stroke per revolution. Big disappointment! Thus holding the intake valve open a little longer and robbing part of the compression stroke produces the same differential in displacement between the intake and the power strokes. B? 507 289 4824 Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology There were two types. The 'Differential' had two pistons in one bore. It had problems and was followed by the 4 cycles in one turn of the flywheel. The linkages made each stroke a different lenght. Thus, the intake stroke was half the lenght of the power stroke. This gave the burnt gas time to expand and do its work. THAT was the main point of the design. It is still about the most fuel efficient/power obtained design. Its drawbacks were the linkage system. I cannot see how this can be obtained by valve timing! Hence my asking if there were pictorial details of the later, so called, Atkinson design. Hey, maybe there were two Atkinson persons? The original Atkinson became chief engineer for Crossley after Otto's patent on the 4 cycle expired. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology What is it about the hybrid cars that makes the Atkinson the engine of choice? If it's so good here (by whatever criteria), why don't we see the Atkinson in other applications? B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bdb Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology We bought a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid a couple months ago and it definitely is different. The little gas motor in tandem with the electric motor develops an unbelievable amount of power to the wheels. The Atkinson engine alone is a pooch but gets really good mileage. I hope to see one of the Atkinson engines taken apart someday, hopefully not ours. Barry Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Wow, thats a really neat site Bill. I just saw George's post about the Escape Hybrid using the Atkinson. I bet you're right, the first time a mechanic tears into one of these he's probably thinking "what the heck....". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching >their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this >used in any other modern application? > >For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson >Cycle >is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't >remember. > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 29 14:45:35 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:45:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <6f6025160710291344v17401b5eqb276ef0b0df5e008@mail.gmail.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160710291344v17401b5eqb276ef0b0df5e008@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4726547F.4080508@scrtc.com> My favorite type engine would be horizontal, tank cooled, full base. Beyond that, it doesn't matter --- sideshaft, flyball governor, ignitor vs. plug.... they're just extras. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 29 14:53:35 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:53:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <00ce01c81a70$dcbde170$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AA89@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <004401c81a69$9c7f3610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <00ce01c81a70$dcbde170$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <4726565F.1070002@scrtc.com> Bill, That explains it. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Bill Brueck wrote: >This answers several of the questions, including my own... > > http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1487186 > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > >Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold >Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:18 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology > >Is there a schematic of these later multi cylinder so called 'Atkinson' >engines?. I dont think they are true old style Atkinsons. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Oct 29 14:47:34 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:47:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AA89@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><004401c81a69$9c7f3610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <00ce01c81a70$dcbde170$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <007901c81a76$30ef9590$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thanks for finding that Bill. I too, got a lot from it. The valve dwell bit is somewhat hard to grasp and I feel it is not as good as the variable stroke but, it does acheive a result. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology This answers several of the questions, including my own... http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1487186 B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Is there a schematic of these later multi cylinder so called 'Atkinson' engines?. I dont think they are true old style Atkinsons. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 29 15:49:18 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:49:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <00ce01c81a70$dcbde170$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6AA89@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <004401c81a69$9c7f3610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <00ce01c81a70$dcbde170$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <5e44f72380ef78932974f06f471ab12e@chartertn.net> Wonder if that Miller guy who came up with the variable valve timing Atkinson was associated with the Miller-Offenhauser racing engines? So the Prius's Atkinson engine is a modified version of the Echo engine. My daughter drives an Echo and my wife has a Yaris with the Otto version. Good little engine. (And great little cars!) John On Oct 29, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Bill Brueck wrote: > This answers several of the questions, including my own... > > http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1487186 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Oct 29 16:08:44 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:08:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology References: <4725CEB3.2000609@scrtc.com><001601c81a39$955eb890$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local><47260567.8010209@scrtc.com><000c01c81a60$b6e6a2d0$7fd1ce0c@VALUED20606295> <00ba01c81a6a$2bb18950$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <009501c81a80$a8171440$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A couple of years back, one of the major makers were working on Solenoid operated valves. That makes sense to me. No camshaft. Just a computer controlling the timing for all needs. I wonder where that Idea went? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology What is it about the hybrid cars that makes the Atkinson the engine of choice? If it's so good here (by whatever criteria), why don't we see the Atkinson in other applications? B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bdb Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology We bought a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid a couple months ago and it definitely is different. The little gas motor in tandem with the electric motor develops an unbelievable amount of power to the wheels. The Atkinson engine alone is a pooch but gets really good mileage. I hope to see one of the Atkinson engines taken apart someday, hopefully not ours. Barry Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Wow, thats a really neat site Bill. I just saw George's post about the Escape Hybrid using the Atkinson. I bet you're right, the first time a mechanic tears into one of these he's probably thinking "what the heck....". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Great post, Tommy. I can just see the guys at the local shop scratching >their heads the first time they see one of these come in the door. Is this >used in any other modern application? > >For those of you who, like me, needed a refresher on what the Atkinson >Cycle >is, take a look at www.keveney.com. Maybe Matt's a list member, I don't >remember. > >B? > >Bill Brueck > Chatfield, Minnesota, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From JR504 at aol.com Mon Oct 29 17:52:54 2007 From: JR504 at aol.com (JR504 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:52:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Message-ID: In a message dated 10/29/2007 7:13:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: A couple of years back, one of the major makers were working on Solenoid operated valves. That makes sense to me. No camshaft. Just a computer controlling the timing for all needs. I wonder where that Idea went? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold Several Diesel manufacturers have electro-hydraulic valve actuation on over-the-road truck engines today. They have been in use for a couple of years now, mostly without incident. I think Cat was the first, but a few of them have it now. Joe Rappa Mexico, NY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Oct 29 17:54:49 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:54:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <4726547F.4080508@scrtc.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160710291344v17401b5eqb276ef0b0df5e008@mail.gmail.com> <4726547F.4080508@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071030114809.01b44c28@ncable.com.au> Horizontal sideshaft engines of 4 to 7hp range. (Although my to favourites are 9hp graham and 3hp hornsby) I have both petrol (magneto start) and oil (lamp start) engines with no real preference for either although I do love the smell of sweet burnin kero in the shed. I am kinda leaning towards the full base engines against portables these days as they do take up a heck of a lot of space. At 08:45 AM 30/10/2007, you wrote: >My favorite type engine would be horizontal, tank cooled, full >base. Beyond that, it doesn't matter --- sideshaft, flyball >governor, ignitor vs. plug.... they're just extras. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Oct 29 18:34:40 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:34:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ References: <000e01c81948$a53cbce0$daba693a@fred> <7.0.1.0.1.20071028215202.01a6b210@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <002901c81a95$0b4241c0$daba693a@fred> Hi Russell, I had it allready to send to you,but after seeing t`days email I don`t think you would like the fumes of a 7Hp.Vertical Blackstone Diesel, might smoke you out, Ilocated a collector near Byron Bay who will p/up the eng.for me and we will then arrange to get it down here,but thanks for the offer, i will do the same for you. Brian David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ > Brian, send it to me, It's closer and it will be in Victoria! > Russell > > > At 08:55 PM 28/10/2007, you wrote: >>Can anyone help me to move an engine from Murwillumbah NSW. >>to Victoria please. >>Brian. >>(03)97266147 >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1095 - Release Date: > 26/10/2007 7:54 PM > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Oct 29 18:40:39 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:40:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ References: <000e01c81948$a53cbce0$daba693a@fred> <001701c819a1$5ac63f70$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <003601c81a95$e0c89470$daba693a@fred> Hi Peter, I located a collector near Byron Bay who will p/up. and store the eng. while we make transport arrangements, he may know someone who is coming to Vic. on holidays and could bring it down , if you hear of anyone coming to Vic. and wants some petrol money pass this info. on Regards Brian. David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Help wit Eng.Transport? OZ > How big Brian, I could come up and get it as far as Grafton and maybe > Newcastle at Christmas. > > Peter > > > >> Can anyone help me to move an engine from Murwillumbah NSW. >> to Victoria please. >> Brian. >> (03)97266147 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: > 28/10/2007 1:58 PM > > From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Oct 29 19:51:13 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:51:13 +0900 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01c81a9f$bbf27350$33d759f0$@net.au> Navistar is working on hydraulically actuated valves. If Ford sticks with them as their diesel engine supplier the F series will have these engines within a few years Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of JR504 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2007 9:53 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In a message dated 10/29/2007 7:13:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: A couple of years back, one of the major makers were working on Solenoid operated valves. That makes sense to me. No camshaft. Just a computer controlling the timing for all needs. I wonder where that Idea went? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold Several Diesel manufacturers have electro-hydraulic valve actuation on over-the-road truck engines today. They have been in use for a couple of years now, mostly without incident. I think Cat was the first, but a few of them have it now. Joe Rappa Mexico, NY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Oct 29 20:54:33 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:54:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003001c81aa8$9601d6f0$daba693a@fred> My son & I started of buying engines by the load we could fit in the Ute & Trailer, we seem to have changed to Kerosene Hot bulb - Sideshaft portables, now we have some on a full base,also have a few american petrol ones and have just bought a Diesel Box Blackstone, we always say we have enough engines but more keep turning up and we say wait till next year or unless it is spectacular. The wives are told the once in the shed and in the dark the breed and more appear! So where this hobby of collecting ends up I really don`t know, if we like the look of an engine we buy. We buy when.he likes it or I like it or we both like it, we don1t have to agree. Favourite engine would be ....any! It really is a disease! David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Tue Oct 30 01:32:06 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:32:06 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <003001c81aa8$9601d6f0$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: David can relate to what you are saying i was given an old ride on no one could get going again was taken to a few mechanics i spent half a day on it and had it running a few minor faults electrical short butterfly problem and governor used it for 2 years before selling it because of that started fixing old reel mowers now have rotary hoes,vibrating roller compactor and various vintage lawn mowers an old shearing plant shearing handpieces etc the list just keeps on growing..Have gotten alot of the old mowers running again saved them from being dumped and put them back into active service and the hobby generates its own income as i repair rotary mowers for people mainly older machines that the shops cant repair as cant get parts i have lots of old machines i have been given and recycle parts or build up good machines.These help me to buy car parts for my old utes that i also collect.The collection just seems to grow over time.I think of it as preserving a piece of history . brentnz -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine My son & I started of buying engines by the load we could fit in the Ute & Trailer, we seem to have changed to Kerosene Hot bulb - Sideshaft portables, now we have some on a full base,also have a few american petrol ones and have just bought a Diesel Box Blackstone, we always say we have enough engines but more keep turning up and we say wait till next year or unless it is spectacular. The wives are told the once in the shed and in the dark the breed and more appear! So where this hobby of collecting ends up I really don`t know, if we like the look of an engine we buy. We buy when.he likes it or I like it or we both like it, we don1t have to agree. Favourite engine would be ....any! It really is a disease! David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 30 04:24:05 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:24:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> G'Day George We sure missed the questions, helps to know what we all (those that reply) think about our hobby. My part, has to be horizontal side shaft, usually English, of which I am lucky to have Hornsby, Blackstone, Tangye *2, Crossley, nothing special but nice lookers and runners. Curved flywheels of some English engines also are my favorite, because of the looks. Kero (oil) engines with hot bulb or hot tube and like Russell don't mind the smell of kero vapour filled shed although Ruth goes off when I come in with the smell in my clothes, but then again they are a strange breed. Portables, as I believe that if we have them we should show others specially the kids, and not lock them up in some black hole. Normally, highly painted and as with the English engines above, steel flywheel faces kept somewhat polished as new. Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, Austral, Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original black paint left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off (somewhat) Brock used his shirt to get more off. Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz PS started the Austral for the first time at home today (it did run for a short time at a Sydney rally a month ago) and I am one happy chappy and the people next door had a new sound to listen too 8-)) From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 05:06:45 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <571216.29099.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A few years ago I made a list of requirements an engine must have before I would buy it. 1. Must be hit-n-miss 2. Must have an open crank. 3. Must have it's magneto if it came with one,,, or be practically free. 4. Should not be the same as one I have. There was more to this list, but I threw those requirements out. I like the horizontal hopper cooled engines in the 1 1/2 to 4 HP size. I have one 950 pound TG 6HP FBM Z that I don't take to shows and probably never will. I just don't want to lug around an engine that heavy. I really don't need another engine. I just want to work on what I have now. When an engine leaps at me at a great price I have to grab it though. Like that nice complete all original New Sattley for $175 this Summer. 8>)) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan "Best, George" wrote: Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive are you to collecting that type? George __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 30 05:34:52 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:34:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] drip oilers References: <20071029.101431.560.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys...I think the glass is the right length plus the gaskets aren't all that thick. We've ID'd the thread on the needle as a 8-32 so making a new one should be relatively easy. Have a good'un Rick Hi Rick, Have you changed gaskets or glass ? I had a similar problem and it was caused by me changing the gaskets. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Oct 30 06:44:01 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:44:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> Message-ID: <3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> Hi Kerry. Sorry to hear that Brock keeps buggering up your nice restoration job. Next time he shows up at a show, immediately squirt him down with oil, then let him rub up against your engines all he likes. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:24 AM, Kerry wrote: > Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, > Austral, > Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original > black paint > left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off > (somewhat) > Brock used his shirt to get more off. > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 30 07:19:27 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:19:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> <3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> That won't be easy! Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub oil onto his naked body may be a problem.(Hay Brock) EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > Hi Kerry. Sorry to hear that Brock keeps buggering up your nice > restoration job. Next time he shows up at a show, immediately squirt > him down with oil, then let him rub up against your engines all he > likes. > > > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:24 AM, Kerry wrote: >> Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, >> Austral, >> Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original >> black paint >> left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off >> (somewhat) >> Brock used his shirt to get more off. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Tue Oct 30 07:34:32 2007 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:34:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] [S] Re: Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> Message-ID: <004801c81b02$03383940$62ad57ca@n> Well what do i go for ahy? Well i really like unrestored engines for starters, original paint or all rust dosent matter, more original the better, i have even bought restored engines and gone ahead and stripped all the paint off because i like it better in its natural state! and when i look at an engine it has to be mechanically different and has to "do it for me" i have had some really rare stuff go through my hands over the years but they never did it for me, just something about that engine did'nt quite cut it, i even had the remains of an inverted rotary valve crossley, but it just did'nt do it for me! and lots of people said i was mad to let it go but it all comes down to personal preference. i do have a soft spot for stover engines and american engines, but i also have quite a few english and aussie engines as well. most are original and are mechanically different in there own way. Cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > G'Day George > > We sure missed the questions, helps to know what we all (those that > reply) > think about our hobby. > > My part, has to be horizontal side shaft, usually English, of which I am > lucky to have Hornsby, Blackstone, Tangye *2, Crossley, nothing special > but > nice lookers and runners. > Curved flywheels of some English engines also are my favorite, because of > the looks. > Kero (oil) engines with hot bulb or hot tube and like Russell don't mind > the > smell of kero vapour filled shed although Ruth goes off when I come in > with > the smell in my clothes, but then again they are a strange breed. > Portables, as I believe that if we have them we should show others > specially > the kids, and not lock them up in some black hole. > Normally, highly painted and as with the English engines above, steel > flywheel faces kept somewhat polished as new. > > Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, Austral, > Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original black > paint > left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off (somewhat) > Brock used his shirt to get more off. > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > PS started the Austral for the first time at home today (it did run for a > short time at a Sydney rally a month ago) and I am one happy chappy and > the > people next door had a new sound to listen too 8-)) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Tue Oct 30 07:43:51 2007 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:43:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <005501c81b03$4fb3bb90$62ad57ca@n> it will be easy edd, you just have to get that secruity lady in again to rub him down! sure she would'nt mind!! cheers mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > That won't be easy! Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub oil > onto > his naked body may be a problem.(Hay Brock) > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:44 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > > >> Hi Kerry. Sorry to hear that Brock keeps buggering up your nice >> restoration job. Next time he shows up at a show, immediately squirt >> him down with oil, then let him rub up against your engines all he >> likes. >> >> >> Rob Skinner >> La Habra, California >> www.rustyiron.com >> >> >> On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:24 AM, Kerry wrote: >>> Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, >>> Austral, >>> Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original >>> black paint >>> left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off >>> (somewhat) >>> Brock used his shirt to get more off. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Oct 30 08:55:12 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:55:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <571216.29099.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I like just about any kind of internal combustion engine, big or small, that's got lots of mechanical stuff happening -or- runs really slow. External combustion engines have just never lit my fire. Take care - Elden From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 30 07:57:15 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:57:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> <3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <4727464B.8090705@imc-group.com> And naked only if there are female security guards around! He's never living this one down is he! Curt Edd Payne wrote: > Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub oil onto his naked body..... > EDD PAYNE > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 30 08:15:08 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:15:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [S] Re: Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <004801c81b02$03383940$62ad57ca@n> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> <004801c81b02$03383940$62ad57ca@n> Message-ID: <47274A7C.2090201@imc-group.com> Mick, I see you mentioned the Stover engines. Do you ever run across engines badged Stover in Oz? Or were all badged Cooper? Just curious if any ever slipped thru with the Stover name..... I took this photo at Naracorrte but have no clue if recently imported or if this was imported when new. If imported and sold new, was this thru Cooper or someone else? Curt Mick Christie wrote: > Well what do i go for ahy? Well i really like unrestored engines for > starters, original paint or all rust dosent matter, more original the > better, i have even bought restored engines and gone ahead and stripped all > the paint off because i like it better in its natural state! > and when i look at an engine it has to be mechanically different and has to > "do it for me" i have had some really rare stuff go through my hands over > the years but they never did it for me, just something about that engine > did'nt quite cut it, i even had the remains of an inverted rotary valve > crossley, but it just did'nt do it for me! and lots of people said i was mad > to let it go but it all comes down to personal preference. > i do have a soft spot for stover engines and american engines, but i also > have quite a few english and aussie engines as well. most are original and > are mechanically different in there own way. > Cheers > Mick > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 30 09:35:11 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:35:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <003001c81aa8$9601d6f0$daba693a@fred> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> <003001c81aa8$9601d6f0$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: G'day Brian, Just one piece of advice mate. Make sure that your wife knows that when you turn "room temperature" she should contact one of your mates for assistance in selling off your collection. You sure as hell don't want her selling 'em for what she "thinks" you paid for 'em. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Brian Watts wrote: > My son & I started of buying engines by the load we could fit in the Ute & > Trailer, we seem to have changed to Kerosene Hot bulb - Sideshaft > portables, now we have some on a full base,also have a few american petrol > ones and have just bought a Diesel Box Blackstone, we always say we have > enough engines but more keep turning up and we say wait till next year or > unless it is spectacular. > The wives are told the once in the shed and in the dark the breed and more > appear! From George_Best at adp.com Tue Oct 30 08:41:08 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:41:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Different country - different name In-Reply-To: <47274A7C.2090201@imc-group.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><004801c81b02$03383940$62ad57ca@n> <47274A7C.2090201@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EA941B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I know that Stover engines were sold as Pilter in France and Cooper in Australia. What other examples are there of engines being sold by another name in another country? Notice I said "another country", so don't mention all the rebadged engines sold in the U.S. Also exclude rebadged engines sold in the same country. ;-) George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 30 09:45:22 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:45:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC> <3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: DAMN!! These Aussies sure are a kinky lot!! On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > That won't be easy! Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub oil onto > his naked body may be a problem.(Hay Brock) From George_Best at adp.com Tue Oct 30 09:09:51 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:09:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com><001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EA951B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Arnie, The Aussies are just more safety conscious than we are. With their fenced in engines and no clothes. A group of beer guzzling naked Aussies in a fenced enclosure with running engines isn't a sight I'd want imprinted in my memory! But then most of us remember what happened to John Hammink while wearing clothing near a running engine ;-) George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine DAMN!! These Aussies sure are a kinky lot!! On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > That won't be easy! Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub > oil onto his naked body may be a problem.(Hay Brock) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Oct 30 10:01:38 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:01:38 EDT Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Message-ID: In a message dated 10/29/2007 7:53:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, plb at iinet.net.au writes: Navistar is working on hydraulically actuated valves. Hi List, If I remember correctly, hydraulic activated valves were proposed to be use in the Tucker automobile. The each valve was controlled through a hydraulic distributor. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca 93454 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 30 11:15:13 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:15:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EA951B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com><001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EA951B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George, In the interests of international cultural brotherhood perhaps the Aussies visiting Portland 2008 would want to put on a demonstration of their approach to running engines safely? We'd need to know how many were going to be involved so that we could set up a suitably sized enclosure. Would they also need sheep or would a supply of grease & oil be sufficient? 8->>> See ya, Arnie On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Best, George wrote: > The Aussies are just more safety conscious than we are. With their > fenced in engines and no clothes. > > A group of beer guzzling naked Aussies in a fenced enclosure with > running engines isn't a sight I'd want imprinted in my memory! From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 30 10:41:59 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:41:59 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com><001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EA951B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <007b01c81b1c$2d6299d0$f04d0b52@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > Hi George, > In the interests of international cultural brotherhood perhaps the Aussies > visiting Portland 2008 would want to put on a demonstration of their > approach to running engines safely? We'd need to know how many were going > to be involved so that we could set up a suitably sized enclosure. Would > they also need sheep or would a supply of grease & oil be sufficient? > 8^ See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Best, George wrote: >> The Aussies are just more safety conscious than we are. With their >> fenced in engines and no clothes. >> A group of beer guzzling naked Aussies in a fenced enclosure with >> running engines isn't a sight I'd want imprinted in my memory! Hi Arnie,If you go ahead with this you had better put a high security Aussie type fence round to protect the lads from American women! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Oct 30 12:36:10 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:36:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Different country - different name In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EA941B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20071030193615.QAXO15825.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> One of my 1hp R&Vs is badged "CCM" (Canadian Cycle Manufacturers) who sold R&Vs out of Brisbane. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07091705.JPG My 6hp horizontal Stover is badged "Invincible-Stover". Invincible were the Sydney agents before Cooper came on the scene: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/03081023.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- I know that Stover engines were sold as Pilter in France and Cooper in Australia. What other examples are there of engines being sold by another name in another country? Notice I said "another country", so don't mention all the rebadged engines sold in the U.S. Also exclude rebadged engines sold in the same country. ;-) George From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 30 13:40:18 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:40:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] WEBSTER K model mag References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com><001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <002f01c81b35$15a5c060$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> With a frost cracked housing , any carcasses out there ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 30 14:01:26 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:01:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology References: Message-ID: <003e01c81b38$09a3afe0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Bruce Crower has a six cycle he plays with http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060227/FREE/302270007/1023/THISWEEKSISSUE From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Oct 30 14:17:18 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:17:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine Message-ID: In a message dated 10/30/2007 1:43:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: Hi Arnie,If you go ahead with this you had better put a high security Aussie type fence round to protect the lads from American women! Do they have some type noted of reputation? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From glenn.karch at att.net Tue Oct 30 17:40:04 2007 From: glenn.karch at att.net (glenn.karch at att.net) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:40:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New email address Message-ID: <001e01c81b56$98999ac0$4001a8c0@D8LJ7K91> Hi Gang, I just moved up to high speed internet and now have a new email address. It is glenn.karch at att.net Please make that change. Thanks you. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 30 18:00:24 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:00:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New email address References: <001e01c81b56$98999ac0$4001a8c0@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <00cf01c81b59$6c572970$240110ac@FAMILY> Got it Glenn, thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: [SEL] New email address > Hi Gang, > > I just moved up to high speed internet and now have a new email address. > It is glenn.karch at att.net Please make that change. Thanks you. > > From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue Oct 30 18:53:30 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (rupert 2) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:53:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New email address In-Reply-To: <001e01c81b56$98999ac0$4001a8c0@D8LJ7K91> References: <001e01c81b56$98999ac0$4001a8c0@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <4727E01A.3030607@xplornet.com> Hello Glenn, High speed sure is nice isn't it. what did you get? Wireless, cable or satellite? I just upgraded from dial up to satellite myself. It is much easier to enjoy the links that are posted. Even videos download fast enough to watch. For those interested: my new address is rwenig2 at xplornet.com Rupert glenn.karch at att.net wrote: > Hi Gang, > > I just moved up to high speed internet and now have a new email address. It is glenn.karch at att.net Please make that change. Thanks you. > > Glenn Karch > Hercules Historian > Haubstadt, Indiana, USA > _______________________________________________ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 30 19:29:15 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:29:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New email address References: <001e01c81b56$98999ac0$4001a8c0@D8LJ7K91> <4727E01A.3030607@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <010101c81b65$d52f1aa0$240110ac@FAMILY> Got yours to Rupert, I need your last name for my address file. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "rupert 2" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New email address > Hello Glenn, > High speed sure is nice isn't it. what did you get? Wireless, cable > or satellite? I just upgraded from dial up to satellite myself. It is > much easier to enjoy the links that are posted. Even videos download > fast enough to watch. > > For those interested: my new address is rwenig2 at xplornet.com > > Rupert > > glenn.karch at att.net wrote: >> Hi Gang, >> From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Tue Oct 30 19:37:12 2007 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:37:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] [S] Re: [S] Re: Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com> <99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><004801c81b02$03383940$62ad57ca@n> <47274A7C.2090201@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001401c81b66$f622d070$07ad57ca@n> G'day Curt the engine in the pic was badged as a cooper but the plate had dissaperared over time but it still had the holes in it for the cooper plate, but being that it was origianlly a stover that why it is painted with stover on it.. havent come across and stover over here with a stover badge still attached, they were all changed when they got here. there are a few original condition engines here that still have the "Stovers Good Engine" transfers on the side but they still have the cooper plate attached. cheers mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:15 AM Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] [S] Re: Favorite type of engine > Mick, > I see you mentioned the Stover engines. Do you ever run across engines > badged Stover in Oz? Or were all badged Cooper? Just curious if any ever > slipped thru with the Stover name..... > I took this photo at Naracorrte > > but have no clue if recently imported or if this was imported when new. > If imported and sold new, was this thru Cooper or someone else? > Curt > > Mick Christie wrote: >> Well what do i go for ahy? Well i really like unrestored engines for >> starters, original paint or all rust dosent matter, more original the >> better, i have even bought restored engines and gone ahead and stripped >> all >> the paint off because i like it better in its natural state! >> and when i look at an engine it has to be mechanically different and has >> to >> "do it for me" i have had some really rare stuff go through my hands over >> the years but they never did it for me, just something about that engine >> did'nt quite cut it, i even had the remains of an inverted rotary valve >> crossley, but it just did'nt do it for me! and lots of people said i was >> mad >> to let it go but it all comes down to personal preference. >> i do have a soft spot for stover engines and american engines, but i also >> have quite a few english and aussie engines as well. most are original >> and >> are mechanically different in there own way. >> Cheers >> Mick >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 31 00:11:00 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:11:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <000d01c81a71$88714390$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20071031071104.EAFR24541.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> A good topic George. I quite like early vertical engines although a nice, full base horizontal will get my attention. Mostly pre-1920 stuff for me although I have a few exceptions. I quite like elegance of design, usually with lots of curves: engines such as the Blackstone with the elegant base and curved spokes and my R&Vs which also have a lovely curved base and are nicely proportioned. I am not a fan of diesels or two-stroke engines but I can recognize the appeal that they have to those who love them (they are just not for me). Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > Here's a topic maybe people will participate in: > > Do you have a favorite type of engine? If so, why? And how exclusive > are you to collecting that type? > > By "type" I mean, vertical, horizontal, sideshaft, hit&miss, throttle > governed, air cooled, tank cooled, low tension, hot tube, inverted, oil > field, small, large, 2 cycle or 4 cycle, etc. In otherwords what type > or style of engine do you collect or prefer. This is NOT what > manufacturer you collect. > > For example, I've pretty much have decided that although I like most > types of engines I've been leaning more towards vertical engines lately. > Most of the engines I've bought the last few years have been verticals > and two engines that I'm interested in buying now are also verticals. So > although I haven't switched to only buying verticals it is a something > I'm considering. Of course a cam stopper in my price range or some > other exotic would toss the verticals only idea out the window! ;-) > > George From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Oct 31 02:22:48 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:22:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <001a01c81b9f$a00b3c20$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hey Edd I know where you are coming from. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > That won't be easy! Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub oil > onto > his naked body may be a problem.(Hay Brock) > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:44 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > > >> Hi Kerry. Sorry to hear that Brock keeps buggering up your nice >> restoration job. Next time he shows up at a show, immediately squirt >> him down with oil, then let him rub up against your engines all he >> likes. >> >> >> Rob Skinner >> La Habra, California >> www.rustyiron.com >> >> >> On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:24 AM, Kerry wrote: >>> Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, >>> Austral, >>> Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original >>> black paint >>> left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off >>> (somewhat) >>> Brock used his shirt to get more off. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Oct 31 02:23:19 2007 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:23:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com><001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> <005501c81b03$4fb3bb90$62ad57ca@n> Message-ID: <001b01c81b9f$b03ae960$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Nah, she's the one that don't like the sump oil' what do you reckon Kerry. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Christie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > it will be easy edd, you just have to get that secruity lady in again to > rub > him down! sure she would'nt mind!! > cheers > mick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edd Payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:19 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine > > >> That won't be easy! Brock usually only wears socks so trying to rub oil >> onto >> his naked body may be a problem.(Hay Brock) >> EDD PAYNE >> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >> Australia >> 2852 >> Phone:0263742387 >> edsengns at optusnet.com.au >> edsengns >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rob Skinner" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:44 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite type of engine >> >> >>> Hi Kerry. Sorry to hear that Brock keeps buggering up your nice >>> restoration job. Next time he shows up at a show, immediately squirt >>> him down with oil, then let him rub up against your engines all he >>> likes. >>> >>> >>> Rob Skinner >>> La Habra, California >>> www.rustyiron.com >>> >>> >>> On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:24 AM, Kerry wrote: >>>> Having said all that I am now in love with my 8 hp Australian, >>>> Austral, >>>> Portable, Side shaft, Kero, Hot Bulb engine that had no original >>>> black paint >>>> left so I coated it out in used sump oil before rubbing it off >>>> (somewhat) >>>> Brock used his shirt to get more off. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Wed Oct 31 02:31:06 2007 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 05:31:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] Different country - different name Message-ID: George Challenge engines were rebadged as Conqueror engines in Tasmania and sole agent was A G Webster & Sons Ltd, Hobart, Tasmaina. Peter Woodmore. peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name Woadmere From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 31 02:44:03 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:44:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <001b01c81b9f$b03ae960$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com><001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd><005501c81b03$4fb3bb90$62ad57ca@n> <001b01c81b9f$b03ae960$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <7EB7A2A497A346A8BCDFE13670DC158F@KerryPC> The funny thing, for all the years since the sercurity woman found Brock under a shower with only his sockes on at 2.00 am in the morning and before putting into bed, Brock said he may be a father by now. Well this year she showed us her kid - her dog called Socks, even I am not going near that one. Sorry Brock I seen it all on Utube so it must be right 8-)) You did well starting the Austral, even if mum though out your shirt Kerry > Nah, she's the one that don't like the sump oil' what do you reckon Kerry. > Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 31 02:45:33 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:45:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Different country - different name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: then there is the EMU a Hercules Kerry From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 31 05:49:36 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:49:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine References: Message-ID: <002701c81bbc$7ef66e20$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Rolls Merlins , XR750's , and halfbreeds , From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 31 07:35:38 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:35:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Different country - different name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDAEFE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Thanks Peter. I was sure that some company other than Stover must have sold their engines in another country under another name. I just couldn't think of any. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peterwoodmore at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:31 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Different country - different name George Challenge engines were rebadged as Conqueror engines in Tasmania and sole agent was A G Webster & Sons Ltd, Hobart, Tasmaina. Peter Woodmore. peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name Woadmere _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 31 08:39:05 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:39:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Here's another topic: Have you ever bought an engine that you later wish you'd never bought? In my case I bought a 2hp New Holland engine. It's a nice engine. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=7584525 6&f=0 So.... Where's the remorse? As I posted earlier, I've been leaning more towards vertical engines which the NH obviously is not. This past weekend I saw a vertical R&V engine I would sure like to have and could have bought if I hadn't bought the NH engine. Having limited funds for buying engines can be a problem when there are so many engines out there to buy ;-) Several years ago I picked up a 5hp Galloway for a friend. My friend had made the deal and I went to get the engine and pay the seller. The seller delivered the engine to a show that I was at and I was busy doing stuff when the seller showed up with the engine. I had him transfer it to my pickup bed and paid him for the engine. After the seller left I had time to look at the engine and found that it was basically a piece of crap. There were broken, cracked, repaired, missing, etc. parts all over the engine. There was hardly a piece of the engine that didn't have some problem or repair made to it. I've always regretted getting that engine and wish that I'd told the seller to just keep it as it was in much worse condition than the photos had shown. 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From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 31 09:29:35 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:29:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Favorite type of engine In-Reply-To: <001a01c81b9f$a00b3c20$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904E6ABB3@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><47260724.4030309@imc-group.com><99E47359FED046A4AADBFD998ABC24F0@KerryPC><3149AB84-AD93-43BB-B754-36B9C91C43F9@rustyiron.com> <001401c81aff$e2039f50$59f5ecdc@Edd> <001a01c81b9f$a00b3c20$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <2A4C0D3F-2DA7-44D9-802E-010E77C0AA6C@alltel.net> Hell Cam, Even I won't touch that one! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Oct 31, 2007, at 5:22 AM, Cam grundy wrote: > Hey Edd I know where you are coming from. Cam From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 31 09:42:42 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:42:42 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <001d01c81bdd$104b45b0$f04d0b52@intrepid> Hi George,Your address split. Try http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=75845256&f=0 Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse > > Here's another topic: > > Have you ever bought an engine that you later wish you'd never bought? > > In my case I bought a 2hp New Holland engine. It's a nice engine. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=7584525 > 6&f=0 > > So.... Where's the remorse? > > As I posted earlier, I've been leaning more towards vertical engines > which the NH obviously is not. > > This past weekend I saw a vertical R&V engine I would sure like to have > and could have bought if I hadn't bought the NH engine. Having limited > funds for buying engines can be a problem when there are so many engines > out there to buy ;-) > > Several years ago I picked up a 5hp Galloway for a friend. My friend > had made the deal and I went to get the engine and pay the seller. The > seller delivered the engine to a show that I was at and I was busy doing > stuff when the seller showed up with the engine. I had him transfer it > to my pickup bed and paid him for the engine. > > After the seller left I had time to look at the engine and found that it > was basically a piece of crap. There were broken, cracked, repaired, > missing, etc. parts all over the engine. There was hardly a piece of > the engine that didn't have some problem or repair made to it. > > I've always regretted getting that engine and wish that I'd told the > seller to just keep it as it was in much worse condition than the photos > had shown. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdragoset at galvotec.com Wed Oct 31 12:46:05 2007 From: jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:46:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology In-Reply-To: <003e01c81b38$09a3afe0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Given the rapid advances in electronic controlled electromagnetic propulsion, we should expect to see engines with opposed piston/Neodymium magnet armature pairs and valves as the only moving parts, with strokes, timing and energy extraction controlled by stationary coils -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Balyeat [mailto:kerogas at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:01 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toyota's with old technology Bruce Crower has a six cycle he plays with http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060227/FREE/302270007/1 023/THISWEEKSISSUE _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 31 12:25:48 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <318215.49477.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 1997, I WANT a flywheel engine. Nothing I can afford for sale at the Buckley Old Engine Show except a 3HP TG FBM ZC 52. It is $300 and sitting there on the right rear corner of a flatbed trailer with it's buddies. There is a huge, old 5HP ?? hit n miss engine in the center and three other engines in the other corners. All engines are bolted down running. The trailer has a nice bounce to it,,,,,, from the huge engine says the seller. Well,,,, We shut down the FBM and stupid me didn't notice the trailer jumping decrease a bunch. 8>(( I bought the engine complete with crank, clutched pulley and fanned condenser unit. BTW,,, The seller also told me it was a five horsepower engine. I should have started the engine right there, but no,,,,, I took it home and let it set until the show in 1998. I took MY ENGINE and a lot of other stuff and that was my first year to display. I started that engine and it was jumping so hard it headed right across my canopy and it went at least 15 feet before I could get it shut down. That working side main bearing was worn out BAD. I bought a good engine at the show that year and then several more engines found me so I traded that FBM off as/is for a good, hot Webster mag on a Hercules bracket. I was sure to tell the man what he was getting too. BTW,,,, I do still have the complete clutched pulley assembly and it is for sale. 8>)) It is a double V-belt pulley. If only I had known the Cushman X was going to be there for me in 1998 I sure never would have bought that FBM lump of crap. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan "Best, George" wrote: Here's another topic: Have you ever bought an engine that you later wish you'd never bought? In my case I bought a 2hp New Holland engine. It's a nice engine. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=7584525 6&f=0 So.... Where's the remorse? As I posted earlier, I've been leaning more towards vertical engines which the NH obviously is not. This past weekend I saw a vertical R&V engine I would sure like to have and could have bought if I hadn't bought the NH engine. Having limited funds for buying engines can be a problem when there are so many engines out there to buy ;-) Several years ago I picked up a 5hp Galloway for a friend. My friend had made the deal and I went to get the engine and pay the seller. The seller delivered the engine to a show that I was at and I was busy doing stuff when the seller showed up with the engine. I had him transfer it to my pickup bed and paid him for the engine. After the seller left I had time to look at the engine and found that it was basically a piece of crap. There were broken, cracked, repaired, missing, etc. parts all over the engine. There was hardly a piece of the engine that didn't have some problem or repair made to it. I've always regretted getting that engine and wish that I'd told the seller to just keep it as it was in much worse condition than the photos had shown. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed Oct 31 13:41:50 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (rupert 2) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:41:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New email address In-Reply-To: <010101c81b65$d52f1aa0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <001e01c81b56$98999ac0$4001a8c0@D8LJ7K91> <4727E01A.3030607@xplornet.com> <010101c81b65$d52f1aa0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <4728E88E.9090708@xplornet.com> Hello Paul, Sorry. I should have included that. My last name is Wenig. My home town is Camrose, Alberta, Canada. Paul Maples wrote: > Got yours to Rupert, I need your last name for my address file. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rupert 2" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New email address > > > >> Hello Glenn, >> High speed sure is nice isn't it. what did you get? Wireless, cable >> or satellite? I just upgraded from dial up to satellite myself. It is >> much easier to enjoy the links that are posted. Even videos download >> fast enough to watch. >> >> For those interested: my new address is rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> >> Rupert >> >> glenn.karch at att.net wrote: >> >>> Hi Gang, >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Oct 31 14:02:07 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:02:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.a d.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071101075648.01b4ba50@ncable.com.au> George I can feel your pain from here! and what is worst is that I can see some time back you were under so much stress you didn't realise the stickney and lorenze were not vertical either !!!!!! oh bother this hobbie does real real weird shit to the brain. Russell At 02:39 AM 1/11/2007, you wrote: > >Here's another topic: > >Have you ever bought an engine that you later wish you'd never bought? > >In my case I bought a 2hp New Holland engine. It's a nice engine. > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=7584525 >6&f=0 > >So.... Where's the remorse? > >As I posted earlier, I've been leaning more towards vertical engines >which the NH obviously is not. > >This past weekend I saw a vertical R&V engine I would sure like to have >and could have bought if I hadn't bought the NH engine. Having limited >funds for buying engines can be a problem when there are so many engines >out there to buy ;-) > >Several years ago I picked up a 5hp Galloway for a friend. My friend >had made the deal and I went to get the engine and pay the seller. The >seller delivered the engine to a show that I was at and I was busy doing >stuff when the seller showed up with the engine. I had him transfer it >to my pickup bed and paid him for the engine. > >After the seller left I had time to look at the engine and found that it >was basically a piece of crap. There were broken, cracked, repaired, >missing, etc. parts all over the engine. There was hardly a piece of >the engine that didn't have some problem or repair made to it. > >I've always regretted getting that engine and wish that I'd told the >seller to just keep it as it was in much worse condition than the photos >had shown. > >George > > >This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, >you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication >is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in >error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message >and any attachments from your system. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 31 14:35:34 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:35:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071101075648.01b4ba50@ncable.com.au> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071101075648.01b4ba50@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904F08194@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Buyer's remorse George I can feel your pain from here! and what is worst is that I can see some time back you were under so much stress you didn't realise the stickney and lorenze were not vertical either !!!!!! oh bother this hobbie does real real weird shit to the brain. Russell At 02:39 AM 1/11/2007, you wrote: > >Here's another topic: > >Have you ever bought an engine that you later wish you'd never bought? > >In my case I bought a 2hp New Holland engine. It's a nice engine. > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=758452 56&f=0 > >So.... Where's the remorse? > >As I posted earlier, I've been leaning more towards vertical engines >which the NH obviously is not. > >This past weekend I saw a vertical R&V engine I would sure like to have >and could have bought if I hadn't bought the NH engine. Having limited >funds for buying engines can be a problem when there are so many >engines out there to buy ;-) > >Several years ago I picked up a 5hp Galloway for a friend. My friend >had made the deal and I went to get the engine and pay the seller. The >seller delivered the engine to a show that I was at and I was busy >doing stuff when the seller showed up with the engine. I had him >transfer it to my pickup bed and paid him for the engine. > >After the seller left I had time to look at the engine and found that >it was basically a piece of crap. There were broken, cracked, >repaired, missing, etc. parts all over the engine. There was hardly a >piece of the engine that didn't have some problem or repair made to it. > >I've always regretted getting that engine and wish that I'd told the >seller to just keep it as it was in much worse condition than the >photos had shown. > >George > > >This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, >you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is >strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, >please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >attachments from your system. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 31 14:41:28 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:41:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071101075648.01b4ba50@ncable.com.au> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20071101075648.01b4ba50@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904F081C1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Russell, Actually I have more horizontal engines than vertical ones. But the majority of the horizontal ones are ones I've had for a long time. Most of the engines I bought the past few years and am currently after are verticals. I only need two or three more verticals or sell a few horizontals to have an equal mix ;-) George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Buyer's remorse George I can feel your pain from here! and what is worst is that I can see some time back you were under so much stress you didn't realise the stickney and lorenze were not vertical either !!!!!! oh bother this hobbie does real real weird shit to the brain. Russell This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 31 15:28:00 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:28:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound Message-ID: Howdy; Heard about this for quite some time now from a friend, who's friend uses it on Model A's and such. Has anyone tried this and if so, did you have the warm fuzzy feelin'? http://www.newmantools.com/lapping/time.htm RickinMt. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 31 15:42:50 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:42:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] old technology getting better References: <004001c81c0d$169c8c50$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <005901c81c0f$5e15e700$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Given the rapid advances in electronic controlled electromagnetic > propulsion, we should expect to see engines . Want to see some good racing ? Watch the guy in back . He doesnt start picking them off till about 2:00 . Remember when cordless drills all sucked ? It's quite sobering to see him banging bars with gas powered bikes . http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710085605911324322&q=electric+motorcycle+race&total=32&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2 This one sure made a big splash http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710085605911324322&q=electric+motorcycle+race&total=32&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2 and then crashed http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710085605911324322&q=electric+motorcycle+race&total=32&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2 Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Oct 31 17:21:19 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:21:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: If it will take place of scraping a bearing, I'm for it! I can still remember how my muscles ached the day after a friend and I scraped the mains in my American LaFrance 570 cubic inch 4-banger! We did it with the engine in the chassis and had to bench press that crankshaft about a hundred times before I was satisfied that we had a good fit. They say to not get it into ball bearings and, although I didn't read the detailed instructions, I think I would clean the heck out of the bearings before final assembly. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 05:28 PM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound > > > > Howdy; > Heard about this for quite some time now from a > friend, who's friend uses it > on Model A's and such. > > Has anyone tried this and if so, did you have > the warm fuzzy feelin'? > > http://www.newmantools.com/lapping/time.htm > > RickinMt. From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 31 16:43:51 2007 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:43:51 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy; > Heard about this for quite some time now from a friend, who's friend uses it > on Model A's and such. > > Has anyone tried this and if so, did you have the warm fuzzy feelin'? > > http://www.newmantools.com/lapping/time.htm > > RickinMt. === This (or similar) was around here, in Australia, in the 1950s when I was an apprentice in a powerhouse. The old tradesmen preferred to hand-scrape the white-metal (babbit) bearings, which they could do much more quickly. However I experimented with it later when I had a power house of my own, but it was slow, especially as I took special precautions to wash all remnants away afterwards. I believe the abrasive material was pumice. JW? === From dleis at centurytel.net Wed Oct 31 17:43:13 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:43:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] new toys Message-ID: <002401c81c20$306f2260$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi List A good friend of mine passed away this last spring and his wife had a auction and I brought home a few of his toys. Stacy :-) http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4472152&a=32604523&pw From jbcast at charter.net Wed Oct 31 16:29:36 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:29:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071031192936.NTWWI.111537.root@fepweb11> > > Howdy; > Heard about this for quite some time now from a friend, who's friend uses it > on Model A's and such. > > Has anyone tried this and if so, did you have the warm fuzzy feelin'? Been using it for years, good stuff. I usually chck the crank in the lathe at low speed and hold the case or rod. It will mark the bearings tight spots, they can be scraped for quick removal, and continue to lap for a 100 percent fit. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Oct 31 20:04:02 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:04:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buyer's remorse References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105904EDB075@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <001801c81c33$db41ede0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi George Well, you have sort of answered your own questions, whose fault was it for not checking the Galloway, not yours, but your friends.;-) You bought the New Holland, so at the time you must have wanted or liked it. We don't have to buy every engine that comes to sale, some of us would like every engine that is out there !!! I have enough and have recently found engines and passed them on to friends for free, my shed is full and I am over the clutter. I think as you get older the clutter gets to you, or does it ???? I am like you, I do prefer the verticals. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > Here's another topic: > > Have you ever bought an engine that you later wish you'd never bought? > > In my case I bought a 2hp New Holland engine. It's a nice engine. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4019318&a=32584162&p=7584525 > 6&f=0 > > So.... Where's the remorse? > > As I posted earlier, I've been leaning more towards vertical engines > which the NH obviously is not. > > This past weekend I saw a vertical R&V engine I would sure like to have > and could have bought if I hadn't bought the NH engine. Having limited > funds for buying engines can be a problem when there are so many engines > out there to buy ;-) > > Several years ago I picked up a 5hp Galloway for a friend. My friend > had made the deal and I went to get the engine and pay the seller. The > seller delivered the engine to a show that I was at and I was busy doing > stuff when the seller showed up with the engine. I had him transfer it > to my pickup bed and paid him for the engine. > > After the seller left I had time to look at the engine and found that it > was basically a piece of crap. There were broken, cracked, repaired, > missing, etc. parts all over the engine. There was hardly a piece of > the engine that didn't have some problem or repair made to it. > > I've always regretted getting that engine and wish that I'd told the > seller to just keep it as it was in much worse condition than the photos > had shown. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >