From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 1 04:59:57 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 05:59:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: I would think heavy scraping at first and then lapping compound for the final, similiar to what they do with a valve. JB and others, Would you consider using this compound in a grease cup? RickinMt. Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy; > Heard about this for quite some time now from a friend, who's friend uses > it > on Model A's and such. > > Has anyone tried this and if so, did you have the warm fuzzy feelin'? > > http://www.newmantools.com/lapping/time.htm > > RickinMt. === This (or similar) was around here, in Australia, in the 1950s when I was an apprentice in a powerhouse. The old tradesmen preferred to hand-scrape the white-metal (babbit) bearings, which they could do much more quickly. However I experimented with it later when I had a power house of my own, but it was slow, especially as I took special precautions to wash all remnants away afterwards. I believe the abrasive material was pumice. JW? === _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 05:28:04 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:28:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Major Website Revisions Message-ID: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> We have had to make some major changes to the website as the number of pages climbs towards 7000. There is a new menu page in existence (not the one that is showing at present) and a lot of the items that were 'buried' in sub-menus have been given their own menu icon and sub-directory. The new menu page has five-across icons against four before, and we can go to six-across if need be. This has been going on for a few weeks now, and we hope to make the change-over in the next 7-10 days, but a lot of bookmarked items will no longer work as the directories they are in will cease to exist. The changes will mainly affect the following sections:- Technical (Engine dating, factory data sheets etc) Engine dating has been taken out to a new directory and the factory data sheets have been split into manufacturer's sections for Lister, Petter, Rootes-Lister etc. The Technical directory will cease to exist after the changes. Carburettors (Solex, Zenith, Stromberg etc) Each maker has its own section and menu icon, the Carburettor directory will cease to exist. The Old Carbs section is NOT affected. Magnetos Each manufacturer now has its own directory and menu icon, it was starting to get a bit crowded in there! The Magneto directory will cease to exist. Injection (CAV, Ambac. etc) CAV information has been split into Electrical and Injection sections, American Bosch has been given a new section and Icon. The injection menu will cease to exist. Once we are somewhere near, and have tested it all (or as much as we can!) we will change over to the new menu but will leave the old directories in place for a couple of weeks before they are deleted. The new menus will not point to the old stuff any more by then, but we hope that this will give folks time to pick up their favourite items with the minimum of trouble. As always we will help anyone who has 'lost' their link in the change. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 05:36:40 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:36:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Major Website Revisions In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711010536y7251f3b7udee359e8395abb68@mail.gmail.com> On 01/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have had to make some major changes to the website I meant to include a couple of examples of what is already in place: DATING: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/techdata.htm CARBURETTORS http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/SolexCarbs/SolexCarb.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 1 06:44:45 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:44:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound In-Reply-To: References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> Rick, When I use lapping compound on bushings for our forging machines here at work, I remove the cap and place a small amount of the compound at the point along the bushing & shaft where the bearing is tight. I place it at the junction between the shaft and edge of the bearing, where the shaft rotation will sweep the compound into the bearing. I then put the cap back on loose and fit a large funnel to the oil inlet. Then run the machine and slowly pour about a quart of oil (320 vis) thru the funnel, literally attempting to wash the compound, and the wearing away bearing material out of the bearing. I use diamond lapping compound (5 micron) and it works in seconds, so getting it back out of the bearing is of paramount importance, otherwise a low bearing results. This process is on 660 brass bushings. I have never tried on babbitt bearings. They claim it does not imbed in the babbitt, but that would sure be my concern. I lean very strongly to "scraping" the high spots away on babbitt. Babbitt is SO easy to work with, one could almost get the "lazy" title associated to their name if they aren't will to invest a minimal bit of time scraping in soft babbitt bearings. I don't even use official scrapers on babbitt, just hit the high spots with a very course rat tail file. This works great and is fast. Curt Richard Strobel wrote: > I would think heavy scraping at first and then lapping compound for the > final, similiar to what they do with a valve. > > JB and others, Would you consider using this compound in a grease cup? > > RickinMt. > > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > >> Howdy; >> Heard about this for quite some time now from a friend, who's friend uses >> it >> on Model A's and such. >> >> Has anyone tried this and if so, did you have the warm fuzzy feelin'? >> >> http://www.newmantools.com/lapping/time.htm >> >> RickinMt. >> > === > This (or similar) was around here, in Australia, in the 1950s when I was > an apprentice in a powerhouse. > > The old tradesmen preferred to hand-scrape the white-metal (babbit) > bearings, which they could do much more quickly. However I experimented > with it later when I had a power house of my own, but it was slow, > especially as I took special precautions to wash all remnants away > afterwards. > > I believe the abrasive material was pumice. > > JW? > === > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Nov 1 07:00:25 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:00:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Major Website Revisions In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711010536y7251f3b7udee359e8395abb68@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160711010536y7251f3b7udee359e8395abb68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4729DBF9.6010202@scrtc.com> Great work Peter! Thanks for your dedication to the hobby. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >On 01/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > > >>We have had to make some major changes to the website >> >> > >I meant to include a couple of examples of what is already in place: > >DATING: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/techdata.htm > >CARBURETTORS >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/SolexCarbs/SolexCarb.htm > >Peter > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Nov 1 07:12:00 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:12:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound In-Reply-To: <4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> <4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4729DEB0.5010903@scrtc.com> Curt, I'm curious how many folks have used the method that I have for crank bearings. I have made bronze bushings and then seat them with babbit into the journal. It makes a nice bearing surface and there is no scraping or lapping needed. It takes time to do it and probably is not any less time consuming than the old fashioned way but I've never trusted my scraping ability as much as I'd like. I'm like you, it looks like having the remnants of the compound potentially embedded in the babbitt could cause some big issues down the line. The only way I see that it wouldn't would be if its somehow degradable but I don't see how it would be a very effective lapping compound if it was. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Rick, >When I use lapping compound on bushings for our forging machines here at >work, I remove the cap and place a small amount of the compound at the >point along the bushing & shaft where the bearing is tight. I place it >at the junction between the shaft and edge of the bearing, where the >shaft rotation will sweep the compound into the bearing. I then put the >cap back on loose and fit a large funnel to the oil inlet. Then run the >machine and slowly pour about a quart of oil (320 vis) thru the funnel, >literally attempting to wash the compound, and the wearing away bearing >material out of the bearing. I use diamond lapping compound (5 micron) >and it works in seconds, so getting it back out of the bearing is of >paramount importance, otherwise a low bearing results. >This process is on 660 brass bushings. I have never tried on babbitt >bearings. They claim it does not imbed in the babbitt, but that would >sure be my concern. I lean very strongly to "scraping" the high spots >away on babbitt. Babbitt is SO easy to work with, one could almost get >the "lazy" title associated to their name if they aren't will to invest >a minimal bit of time scraping in soft babbitt bearings. I don't even >use official scrapers on babbitt, just hit the high spots with a very >course rat tail file. This works great and is fast. >Curt > > > > > > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 1 07:12:02 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:12:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> <4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> Message-ID: What comes to mind Curt,, and Elden and the Doc might remember is the old cleaner used on TV rotary tuners. First it was a mild abrasive, then polished and I believe lube might have been the last result....might need help on the lube part :-)) If in fact this compound did the above, I would be willing to try it on some babbitt....diamond would be a definete no-no with babbitt, IMO. What I've got now is a super heavy single throw crank with the rod throw radius' out of whack and un-even. The rod throw mates to bronze inserts which show evidence of the un-even radius' (sP). I'm thinkin' a visit to the crank Doc in Missoula is in order. He did a great job on the Gal after the wreck. and Jack might be right..I was impressed on how forgiving pumice is to porcelain....very hard water deposits here. Will do more research with the guy that uses it on his Model A's. Take care...warm fall here so far....priority now is wings on the snowplow....aaarrghhh. Rick Rick, When I use lapping compound on bushings for our forging machines here at work, I remove the cap and place a small amount of the compound at the point along the bushing & shaft where the bearing is tight. I place it at the junction between the shaft and edge of the bearing, where the shaft rotation will sweep the compound into the bearing. I then put the cap back on loose and fit a large funnel to the oil inlet. Then run the machine and slowly pour about a quart of oil (320 vis) thru the funnel, literally attempting to wash the compound, and the wearing away bearing material out of the bearing. I use diamond lapping compound (5 micron) and it works in seconds, so getting it back out of the bearing is of paramount importance, otherwise a low bearing results. This process is on 660 brass bushings. I have never tried on babbitt bearings. They claim it does not imbed in the babbitt, but that would sure be my concern. I lean very strongly to "scraping" the high spots away on babbitt. Babbitt is SO easy to work with, one could almost get the "lazy" title associated to their name if they aren't will to invest a minimal bit of time scraping in soft babbitt bearings. I don't even use official scrapers on babbitt, just hit the high spots with a very course rat tail file. This works great and is fast. Curt From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 07:45:41 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:45:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> <4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007e01c81c95$e0d724c0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> I find impossible to believe that the lapping compound will not imbed in the bearing. It has to imbed in something or it won't cut. The most likely place is in the softer material. Does anybody have some info as to way it does not imbed and if so how does it cut? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Thu Nov 1 08:42:46 2007 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:42:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> <4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> This sounds very similar to the old "Bon-Ami" kitchen cleanser trick. Mechanics used to pour it into a fast running engine's air intake to help seat in a new ring job. It laps, but breaks down quickly into finer and finer particles. I think I'd want a thorough cleaning afterwards, no matter what the use. I forget what the mineral is, but there is either pumice or some type of feldspar in Bon-Ami. Regards; Jim Mackessy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound > What comes to mind Curt,, and Elden and the Doc might remember is the old > cleaner used on TV rotary tuners. First it was a mild abrasive, then > polished and I believe lube might have been the last result....might need > help on the lube part :-)) > > If in fact this compound did the above, I would be willing to try it on > some babbitt....diamond would be a definete no-no with babbitt, IMO. > > What I've got now is a super heavy single throw crank with the rod throw > radius' out of whack and un-even. The rod throw mates to bronze inserts > which show evidence of the un-even radius' (sP). I'm thinkin' a visit to > the crank Doc in Missoula is in order. He did a great job on the Gal after > the wreck. > > and Jack might be right..I was impressed on how forgiving pumice is to > porcelain....very hard water deposits here. > > > Will do more research with the guy that uses it on his Model A's. > > > Take care...warm fall here so far....priority now is wings on the > snowplow....aaarrghhh. > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick, > When I use lapping compound on bushings for our forging machines here at > work, I remove the cap and place a small amount of the compound at the > point along the bushing & shaft where the bearing is tight. I place it > at the junction between the shaft and edge of the bearing, where the > shaft rotation will sweep the compound into the bearing. I then put the > cap back on loose and fit a large funnel to the oil inlet. Then run the > machine and slowly pour about a quart of oil (320 vis) thru the funnel, > literally attempting to wash the compound, and the wearing away bearing > material out of the bearing. I use diamond lapping compound (5 micron) > and it works in seconds, so getting it back out of the bearing is of > paramount importance, otherwise a low bearing results. > This process is on 660 brass bushings. I have never tried on babbitt > bearings. They claim it does not imbed in the babbitt, but that would > sure be my concern. I lean very strongly to "scraping" the high spots > away on babbitt. Babbitt is SO easy to work with, one could almost get > the "lazy" title associated to their name if they aren't will to invest > a minimal bit of time scraping in soft babbitt bearings. I don't even > use official scrapers on babbitt, just hit the high spots with a very > course rat tail file. This works great and is fast. > Curt > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 1 08:13:58 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:13:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au><4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> <007e01c81c95$e0d724c0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: Jim..take a look at this: http://www.newmantools.com/lapping/timesaver_booklet.pdf and JB uses it...that's good enuf for me... Regards, Rick > I find impossible to believe that the lapping compound will > not imbed in the bearing. It has to imbed in something or > it won't cut. The most likely place is in the softer > material. Does anybody have some info as to way it does not > imbed and if so how does it cut? > > Jim From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 1 08:17:55 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:17:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au><4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: I remember that Jim. It was the factory fix on Chevy 265's. Think it was a teaspoon down the carb. Rick > This sounds very similar to the old "Bon-Ami" kitchen cleanser trick. > Mechanics used to pour it into a fast running engine's air intake to help > seat in a new ring job. It laps, but breaks down quickly into finer and > finer particles. I think I'd want a thorough cleaning afterwards, no > matter > what the use. I forget what the mineral is, but there is either pumice or > some type of feldspar in Bon-Ami. > Regards; > Jim Mackessy From jbcast at charter.net Thu Nov 1 15:47:58 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:47:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound In-Reply-To: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: <20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09> I use the yellow time saver, medium grit. It will dull the shaft but does not cut the steel. I tried the green one time and it cut the steel. After use I clean everything and polish the shaft. We use this on antique two cycle marine engines where crankcase seal is accomplished by bearng fit, no seals, and it's critical to have a good fit. These engines are run in boats under load with no problems. J.B. Castagnos From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 19:34:14 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:34:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09> References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Hello Group, New Member here. Today I took delivery of my (new) Mity Kat. Serial # 436 Motor # 1172831 At first glance, it looks complete and might even run after some clean-up. I'll most likely be needing help and advice. Thank you, Pat in New Jersey From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 19:59:29 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:59:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09> <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <006a01c81cfc$6365a040$0201a8c0@Pasquale> I found a letter from the factory that this Mity Kat was built in 1954. Thank you, Pat in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:34 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: *** Mity Kat *** Hello Group, New Member here. Today I took delivery of my (new) Mity Kat. Serial # 436 Motor # 1172831 At first glance, it looks complete and might even run after some clean-up. I'll most likely be needing help and advice. Thank you, Pat in New Jersey From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 20:15:09 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:15:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09> <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <007301c81cfe$93b08830$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Group, I may not have made this clear. The Mity Kat is (New) (New to me). Now brand New. Pat in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:34 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: *** Mity Kat *** Hello Group, New Member here. Today I took delivery of my (new) Mity Kat. Serial # 436 Motor # 1172831 At first glance, it looks complete and might even run after some clean-up. I'll most likely be needing help and advice. Thank you, Pat in New Jersey From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 20:17:39 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:17:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <007301c81cfe$93b08830$0201a8c0@Pasquale> References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09> <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> <007301c81cfe$93b08830$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <007901c81cfe$ecc7b100$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Group, I may not have made this clear. The Mity Kat is (New) meaning (New to me). Not brand New. Pat in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:15 PM To: 'Pasquale Lombardi'; 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: *** Mity Kat *** Group, I may not have made this clear. The Mity Kat is (New) (New to me). Now brand New. Pat in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:34 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: *** Mity Kat *** Hello Group, New Member here. Today I took delivery of my (new) Mity Kat. Serial # 436 Motor # 1172831 At first glance, it looks complete and might even run after some clean-up. I'll most likely be needing help and advice. Thank you, Pat in New Jersey From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Thu Nov 1 20:52:29 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:52:29 +0900 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04><20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09><003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale><007301c81cfe$93b08830$0201a8c0@Pasquale> <007901c81cfe$ecc7b100$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <00b701c81d03$cd363b90$210110ac@service> What is a Mity Kat? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pasquale Lombardi" To: "'Pasquale Lombardi'" ; "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** > Group, > I may not have made this clear. > The Mity Kat is (New) meaning (New to me). > Not brand New. > Pat in NJ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:15 PM > To: 'Pasquale Lombardi'; 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: *** Mity Kat *** > > > Group, > I may not have made this clear. > The Mity Kat is (New) (New to me). > Now brand New. > Pat in NJ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:34 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: *** Mity Kat *** > > > Hello Group, > New Member here. > Today I took delivery of my (new) Mity Kat. > Serial # 436 > Motor # 1172831 > At first glance, it looks complete and might even run after some clean-up. > I'll most likely be needing help and advice. > Thank you, > Pat in New Jersey > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Nov 1 21:11:11 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:11:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04><20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09><003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale><007301c81cfe$93b08830$0201a8c0@Pasquale><007901c81cfe$ecc7b100$0201a8c0@Pasquale> <00b701c81d03$cd363b90$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <03ed01c81d06$e5702380$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Look it up in Google pics, Its a small dozer. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** > What is a Mity Kat? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pasquale Lombardi" > To: "'Pasquale Lombardi'" ; "'The SEL email > discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** > > >> Group, >> I may not have made this clear. >> The Mity Kat is (New) meaning (New to me). >> Not brand New. >> Pat in NJ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] >> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:15 PM >> To: 'Pasquale Lombardi'; 'The SEL email discussion list' >> Subject: RE: *** Mity Kat *** >> >> >> Group, >> I may not have made this clear. >> The Mity Kat is (New) (New to me). >> Now brand New. >> Pat in NJ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] >> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:34 PM >> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >> Subject: *** Mity Kat *** >> >> >> Hello Group, >> New Member here. >> Today I took delivery of my (new) Mity Kat. >> Serial # 436 >> Motor # 1172831 >> At first glance, it looks complete and might even run after some >> clean-up. >> I'll most likely be needing help and advice. >> Thank you, >> Pat in New Jersey >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Thu Nov 1 22:22:43 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:22:43 +0900 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04><20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09><003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale><007301c81cfe$93b08830$0201a8c0@Pasquale><007901c81cfe$ecc7b100$0201a8c0@Pasquale><00b701c81d03$cd363b90$210110ac@service> <03ed01c81d06$e5702380$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00c501c81d10$65998020$210110ac@service> ok, thanks > Look it up in Google pics, Its a small dozer. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 1 23:48:55 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:48:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Recently finished engine Message-ID: <2346F198-9C5D-4D5C-8426-53007CFF5972@rustyiron.com> Here's the low down: http://engines.rustyiron.com/rider Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 05:17:44 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 05:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Recently finished engine In-Reply-To: <2346F198-9C5D-4D5C-8426-53007CFF5972@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <412306.24277.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rob, That is just too beautiful for words. How do you move that beast around? Right now I am going to get out a certain Hot Air DVD and play it again. Thanks much. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Rob Skinner wrote: Here's the low down: http://engines.rustyiron.com/rider Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From avanti_64 at juno.com Fri Nov 2 05:52:02 2007 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:52:02 GMT Subject: [SEL] Recently finished engine Message-ID: <20071102.085202.21365.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Congratulations...nice job! A ton of work I am sure. Joe Kelley _____________________________________________________________ Perfect Gifts for Mom. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iigfO2vlolQ4N2L1i1AmCVnQ6FH5xn0Q6L1wEUUC2fuKShl2V/ From dougedodge at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 08:06:09 2007 From: dougedodge at yahoo.com (DC) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <139598.3244.qm@web60613.mail.yahoo.com> These are great little dozers!!! Just don't see any here in the bluegrass state (Commonwealth for Judge Turner)!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 09:42:23 2007 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <847736.89976.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Pat is this a 2nd Mity Kat you just got or are you still working on the one you wrote me about earlier this year? I still need a Twin Disc MTU clutch for mine before it will be mobile again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 2 10:14:30 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:14:30 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Listeroid manufactuing video Message-ID: <002101c81d73$dc375f00$f04d0b52@intrepid> Just for John Culp. See http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_EDxV_rRc (passed on from the UK group) Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 2 10:57:23 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:57:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Listeroid manufactuing video In-Reply-To: <002101c81d73$dc375f00$f04d0b52@intrepid> References: <002101c81d73$dc375f00$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <6129437B-A9EA-4989-8987-0B8CB8AD8654@alltel.net> Hi Dave, There is something familiar about those engines. Did they ever ship then with purple cooling tanks? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 2, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Dave Croft wrote: > Just for John Culp. > See http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_EDxV_rRc > (passed on from the UK group) > Dave Croft From Pasquale.NJ at verizon.net Fri Nov 2 11:11:15 2007 From: Pasquale.NJ at verizon.net (vze2my3w) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:11:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <847736.89976.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Same one. But now I have it in my posession. Thank you, Pat in NJ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Fuller & Johnson Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** Pat is this a 2nd Mity Kat you just got or are you still working on the one you wrote me about earlier this year? I still need a Twin Disc MTU clutch for mine before it will be mobile again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Fri Nov 2 18:48:59 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:48:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <139598.3244.qm@web60613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> <139598.3244.qm@web60613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c81dbb$b451aac0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Are there still parts available? Thank you, Pat in NJ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of DC Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:06 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** These are great little dozers!!! Just don't see any here in the bluegrass state (Commonwealth for Judge Turner)!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 11:05:15 2007 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <003b01c81dbb$b451aac0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <286908.88117.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The rear end is same as used on some Oliver crawlers and a few parts are available from the Oliver guys. Engine is a Hercules ZXB-3 and you can find some NOS stuff those around if you look. Clutch is a Twin Disc MTU and parts can be had by special order but are super super outragiously expensive. No other parts are available. No one in Medford, MA where these tractors were made can even remember the company. Pasquale Lombardi wrote: Are there still parts available? Thank you, Pat in NJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Sat Nov 3 11:33:41 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:33:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <286908.88117.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <003b01c81dbb$b451aac0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> <286908.88117.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00cb01c81e48$0efc6640$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Hi Mr. ? Thank you very much for your insight and email detailing the parts sources and cross references. That is the most information I have received. I really appreciate the list and it's members assistance. I am really new to this. I do have 3 hit and miss engines. Thank you, Pat in New Jersey -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Fuller & Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 2:05 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** The rear end is same as used on some Oliver crawlers and a few parts are available from the Oliver guys. Engine is a Hercules ZXB-3 and you can find some NOS stuff those around if you look. Clutch is a Twin Disc MTU and parts can be had by special order but are super super outragiously expensive. No other parts are available. No one in Medford, MA where these tractors were made can even remember the company. Pasquale Lombardi wrote: Are there still parts available? Thank you, Pat in NJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 12:05:35 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:05:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Major Website Revisions In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711031205l2188be16ma7c7e226f015c9de@mail.gmail.com> On 01/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have had to make some major changes to the website as the number of > pages climbs towards 7000. All running now. There will be a few odds and sods that we have missed/overlooked, but the new menu is installed along with the new sections. The old directories will remain for 2 weeks, then they will be deleted, so any bookmarked items in the old sections will be lost. Let me know if you come across any obvious bloomers please (no, not that kind, Dave R !) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 3 13:29:06 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:29:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RUSTON HORNSBY 8H CLASS H COLD STARTING OILENGINE Message-ID: Damn, Based on the Q&A dialog, I'll bet there's an interesting "back story" regarding THIS engine!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260176159225 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260176968411 See ya, Arnie From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 14:51:37 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] RUSTON HORNSBY 8H CLASS H COLD STARTING OILENGINE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <715594.12264.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not really, Arnie. It is just that the guy that questioned the seller didn't read very good. Then again it seems the seller doesn't know how to lay down a few simple facts. 1. I don't have this engine or any part of it. 2. When it was for sale before I went to look at it and took ten pictures. 3. What I am selling here are ten pictures of what you see here and some other bits. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Arnie Fero wrote: Damn, Based on the Q&A dialog, I'll bet there's an interesting "back story" regarding THIS engine!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260176159225 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260176968411 See ya, Arnie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 3 16:32:27 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:32:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RUSTON HORNSBY 8H CLASS H COLD STARTING OILENGINE References: <715594.12264.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c81e71$cc0b00b0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> He sold a whole grow room for a pound I'd venture that's not a bad deal . 260158206223 I know a guy that bid $28 k on an eBay vette but it turned out to the RIGHT TO BID on the vette He had that one anulled , and has yet to hear the end of it . From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 09:27:50 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 17:27:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Major Website Revisions In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711040927y348dce4u512ecedc2668bd0b@mail.gmail.com> On 01/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have had to make some major changes to the website A couple of folks have queried the variations between the page menus on the site, stating that they find different versions at different times, depending on where they are looking. So that it may help to clarify the matter:- there are 92 folders on the website, all but four are related to the site itself. Each folder has a copy of the main menu page, and that page is referenced back to the root menu for its icons but not the text on the page. The two main menus that you see when you go to the site through the normal links: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/index.htm and then: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/front.htm are ALWAYS the most up to date, and it will always be that way. The other 92 are updated approximately monthly, so they will always be behind in terms of relevancy, but only by a small amount. It takes about 40 minutes to write new menus through to the 92 folders, so we only do it when we have had a few updates. We have modified the menus so that each of the 92 will have a link to the front page to click on, effectively taking you back to the beginning again and out of the folder that you were looking in. This we hope will help those who occasionally get 'lost' in the system because the page they came into a folder through is not the same when exiting that folder. The link is just above the main icon menu block. Given where we are now, we wouldn't necessarily have gone in the direction we did with menuing etc when we started out. That's a bit of an 'Irish'ism' but we are sure you will all understand what we mean! There are too many pages to change to make any major changes now. Hope this sorts it out for all concerned. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sun Nov 4 10:19:35 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:19:35 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Major Website Revisions In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711040927y348dce4u512ecedc2668bd0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter you have done a terrific job with your web site a huge task to organise looks great well done .. brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:28 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine Subject: Re: [SEL] Major Website Revisions On 01/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have had to make some major changes to the website A couple of folks have queried the variations between the page menus on the site, stating that they find different versions at different times, depending on where they are looking. So that it may help to clarify the matter:- there are 92 folders on the website, all but four are related to the site itself. Each folder has a copy of the main menu page, and that page is referenced back to the root menu for its icons but not the text on the page. The two main menus that you see when you go to the site through the normal links: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/index.htm and then: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/front.htm are ALWAYS the most up to date, and it will always be that way. The other 92 are updated approximately monthly, so they will always be behind in terms of relevancy, but only by a small amount. It takes about 40 minutes to write new menus through to the 92 folders, so we only do it when we have had a few updates. We have modified the menus so that each of the 92 will have a link to the front page to click on, effectively taking you back to the beginning again and out of the folder that you were looking in. This we hope will help those who occasionally get 'lost' in the system because the page they came into a folder through is not the same when exiting that folder. The link is just above the main icon menu block. Given where we are now, we wouldn't necessarily have gone in the direction we did with menuing etc when we started out. That's a bit of an 'Irish'ism' but we are sure you will all understand what we mean! There are too many pages to change to make any major changes now. Hope this sorts it out for all concerned. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1107 - Release Date: 11/3/2007 11:22 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1107 - Release Date: 11/3/2007 11:22 AM From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 4 21:07:14 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:07:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? Message-ID: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> Can anyone tell me the age of a 3 1/2 HP. C.S. Lister Diesel Eng. No.284314 Please? We have just aquired one of these little engines. David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sun Nov 4 22:54:30 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 06:54:30 -0000 Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? In-Reply-To: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> References: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <05ae01c81f78$b76e12c0$8335c53e@doc> Hello Wattses Looks to be early 1939 - see http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/Dating.htm Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Brian Watts > Sent: 05 November 2007 05:07 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? > > Can anyone tell me the age of a 3 1/2 HP. C.S. Lister Diesel > Eng. No.284314 Please? We have just aquired one of these > little engines. > David Watts (03) 97293304 > damewatt at bigpond.com > Brian Watts (03) 97266147 > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 23:01:47 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:01:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? In-Reply-To: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> References: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <6f6025160711042301p272b9a1fu28bf87f6b3e745c@mail.gmail.com> On 05/11/2007, Brian Watts wrote: > Can anyone tell me the age of a 3 1/2 HP. C.S. Lister Diesel Eng. No.284314 Please? We have just aquired one of these little engines. > David Watts There is a little trap for the unwary in the serial numbers. If you look at the page that Peter has mentioned, the CS Lister numbers are over on the right hand side, and don't get to 6-digits. This is one of the post-1950 engines: 284 is the serial number 31 is the engine type = 3/1 4 is the year of manufacture = 1954 The 3-1/2hp wasn't made that early either, another pointer. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sun Nov 4 23:34:16 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:34:16 -0000 Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711042301p272b9a1fu28bf87f6b3e745c@mail.gmail.com> References: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> <6f6025160711042301p272b9a1fu28bf87f6b3e745c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <05af01c81f7e$482eb4e0$8335c53e@doc> My apologies - misread the engine number. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: 05 November 2007 07:02 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] CS.Lister ? > > On 05/11/2007, Brian Watts wrote: > > Can anyone tell me the age of a 3 1/2 HP. C.S. Lister > Diesel Eng. No.284314 Please? We have just aquired one of > these little engines. > > David Watts > > There is a little trap for the unwary in the serial numbers. > > If you look at the page that Peter has mentioned, the CS Lister > numbers are over on the right hand side, and don't get to 6-digits. > > This is one of the post-1950 engines: > > 284 is the serial number > 31 is the engine type = 3/1 > 4 is the year of manufacture = 1954 > > The 3-1/2hp wasn't made that early either, another pointer. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 00:50:10 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:50:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? In-Reply-To: <05af01c81f7e$482eb4e0$8335c53e@doc> References: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> <6f6025160711042301p272b9a1fu28bf87f6b3e745c@mail.gmail.com> <05af01c81f7e$482eb4e0$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <6f6025160711050050y5169facekd6ff80b4f8c26b44@mail.gmail.com> On 05/11/2007, Peter Scales wrote: > My apologies - misread the engine number. > > Regards > > Pete No apology needed, Pete, we all do it occasionally! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Mon Nov 5 15:46:15 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:46:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Message-ID: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Seems this went a little high, or am I out of touch eBay item 270180316408 Paul Waugh From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Nov 5 22:35:53 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:35:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <200711060636.lA66aM1B048581@mail-gw.fsr.net> Anything can happen on e-Bay. Nothing surprises me, there. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Waugh Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:46 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Seems this went a little high, or am I out of touch eBay item 270180316408 Paul Waugh From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Nov 5 23:59:08 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:59:08 +1300 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <200711060636.lA66aM1B048581@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Orin thanks for sharing your pictures of your cars and engines both excellent hobbies they look great i love the old ford pickup but the coupes come a close second in remarkable condition great restorations i guess the event you are speaking of in 1929 was the wall street crash quite a major event in 1929.You will have alot of fun with all that workshop equipment it is great to see an old basket case engine running again well done. brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Orrin Iseminger Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 7:36 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Anything can happen on e-Bay. Nothing surprises me, there. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Waugh Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:46 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Seems this went a little high, or am I out of touch eBay item 270180316408 Paul Waugh _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1111 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 4:36 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1111 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 4:36 AM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 03:35:23 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:35:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? In-Reply-To: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> References: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <6f6025160711060335v4d3850a9wbe57d9a0a01e5dee@mail.gmail.com> On 05/11/2007, Brian Watts wrote: > Can anyone tell me the age of a 3 1/2 HP. C.S. Lister Diesel Eng. No.284314 Please? We have just aquired one of these little engines. > David Watts Just for the record, I asked David Harris about the change-over date for the 600rpm to 650rpm increase, and he reckons that 1934 was when they all changed to the higher rpm and hp. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Nov 6 05:19:52 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:19:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200711061320.lA6DK5vb051129@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you for the kind words, Brent. We've been very fortunate with our Model A purchases and restorations. Those old rigs are a constant source of joy for us. The 1929 event that I alluded to was the Valentine's Day Massacre in Chicago. The date stamped on Buttercup's firewall reads 2/14/29. The body was built on that date. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of tamatea whanau Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Orin thanks for sharing your pictures of your cars and engines both excellent hobbies they look great i love the old ford pickup but the coupes come a close second in remarkable condition great restorations i guess the event you are speaking of in 1929 was the wall street crash quite a major event in 1929.You will have alot of fun with all that workshop equipment it is great to see an old basket case engine running again well done. brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Orrin Iseminger Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 7:36 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Anything can happen on e-Bay. Nothing surprises me, there. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Waugh Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:46 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Seems this went a little high, or am I out of touch eBay item 270180316408 Paul Waugh _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1111 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 4:36 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1111 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 4:36 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 6 08:16:25 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:16:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: Hi Paul, It is a nicely restored "M", good size (3 hp), on a cart, kero, overstrike ignitor... Overall more desirable than the average "M". If you look at the bidding, I think what happened is that several folks were really interested and they actually treated it as an auction. I suspect some "auction fever" at work as well. The seller is probably thrilled. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Paul Waugh wrote: > Seems this went a little high, or am I out of touch eBay item 270180316408 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 07:58:53 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:58:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? Message-ID: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone been able to get onto Smokstak today? There was a little bit of a kerfuffle yesterday over a bit of moderating, but all seemed OK apart from that. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Nov 6 08:00:12 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:00:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <00a501c8208e$1d9d92d0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Hi Arnie Kind of what I was thinking .. it is/was a nice M, I went to $800, might have gone $900, but then dang I think the 'fever; hit. I had set a 'max' and that is what I stuck to Thanks for input Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 HP "M" > Hi Paul, > > It is a nicely restored "M", good size (3 hp), on a cart, kero, overstrike > ignitor... Overall more desirable than the average "M". > > If you look at the bidding, I think what happened is that several folks > were really interested and they actually treated it as an auction. I > suspect some "auction fever" at work as well. The seller is probably > thrilled. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Paul Waugh wrote: > >> Seems this went a little high, or am I out of touch eBay item >> 270180316408 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Nov 6 09:16:25 2007 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:16:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c82098$c5604e40$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> I have not been able to get the site to come up either. Let's hope it's not an act of cyber-terrorism!;-) Jim Mackessy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: ; "Stationary-Engine" Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? > Has anyone been able to get onto Smokstak today? > > There was a little bit of a kerfuffle yesterday over a bit of > moderating, but all seemed OK apart from that. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 10:04:48 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:04:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711061004j55a99a9fk2f16fdffa7a719cd@mail.gmail.com> On 06/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > Has anyone been able to get onto Smokstak today? Harry has been in touch, his server crashed and it is taking a while to get it all up again. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Nov 6 10:14:53 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:14:53 EST Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/2007 10:13:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: Harry has been in touch, his server crashed and it is taking a while to get it all up again. Thanks for information. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca 93454 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From kimmell at verizon.net Tue Nov 6 10:31:58 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:31:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Good lord, I bought a 3hp kero overstrike M on Ebay not too long ago for $500. Granted it wasn't restored and wasn't on an original cart, but COME ON. If I was going to spend $1700 on an engine, I sure as hell wouldn't be looking at a model-M. Some people have more money than sense... -Tony At 10:16 AM 11/6/2007, you wrote: >Hi Paul, > >It is a nicely restored "M", good size (3 hp), on a cart, kero, overstrike >ignitor... Overall more desirable than the average "M". From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Nov 6 10:58:43 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:58:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> LOL I agree Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 HP "M" > Good lord, I bought a 3hp kero overstrike M on Ebay not too long ago > for $500. Granted it wasn't restored and wasn't on an original cart, > but COME ON. If I was going to spend $1700 on an engine, I sure as > hell wouldn't be looking at a model-M. > > Some people have more money than sense... > > -Tony > > > At 10:16 AM 11/6/2007, you wrote: >>Hi Paul, >> >>It is a nicely restored "M", good size (3 hp), on a cart, kero, overstrike >>ignitor... Overall more desirable than the average "M". > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 6 12:55:02 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:55:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: Hell, $1,700.00 does NOT buy much anymore! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: > LOL I agree > Paul Waugh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony & Jackie" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 HP "M" > > >> Good lord, I bought a 3hp kero overstrike M on Ebay not too long ago >> for $500. Granted it wasn't restored and wasn't on an original cart, >> but COME ON. If I was going to spend $1700 on an engine, I sure as >> hell wouldn't be looking at a model-M. >> >> Some people have more money than sense... >> >> -Tony >> >> >> At 10:16 AM 11/6/2007, you wrote: >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> It is a nicely restored "M", good size (3 hp), on a cart, kero, >>> overstrike >>> ignitor... Overall more desirable than the average "M". >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 13:36:51 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:36:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <6f6025160711061336s156de9c1r4b51e752e6dd1f8f@mail.gmail.com> On 06/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > Hell, $1,700.00 does NOT buy much anymore! > Dave > Especially at $2.088 to the ? Sterling.... :-)) We'll be over your side of the pond next week! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From c696 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 13:47:05 2007 From: c696 at earthlink.net (Donald L. Taylor) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:47:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ohio paint color Message-ID: <018401c820be$d20272b0$ec10ba89@ibmvjlqspkihvi> I have an Ohio Motor Company engine probably built about 1910. Anyone know the original color Donald L. Taylor 5550, Route 880 Dobson's Corner, New Brunswick Canada E4Z 4B7 Phone (506)372-4661 Cell(506)878-0355 email c696 at earthlink.net VE1DLT This message transmitted by the Power of God, Who, in these last times, revealed to people some of the amazing features He built in to his wonderful creation. From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 6 14:12:28 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:12:28 EST Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/2007 10:27:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: I suspect some "auction fever" at work as well. If I ever decide to sell my two 6M's on original steel, I surely will list them on ebay and hope for the same "fever"! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 6 14:22:53 2007 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:22:53 +0900 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <4730E93D.10109@optusnet.com.au> David Rotigel wrote: > Hell, $1,700.00 does NOT buy much anymore! > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel === Or you could say, $1,700,000 is now only worth an old engine? JW? === From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 6 14:31:55 2007 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:31:55 +0900 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <4730E93D.10109@optusnet.com.au> References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <4730E93D.10109@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4730EB5B.9090603@optusnet.com.au> Jack Watson wrote: > David Rotigel wrote: >> Hell, $1,700.00 does NOT buy much anymore! >> Dave >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel > === > Or you could say, $1,700,000 is now only worth an old engine? > JW? > === === Oops!? $1,700.00 JW?? === From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 6 16:17:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:17:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ohio paint color In-Reply-To: <018401c820be$d20272b0$ec10ba89@ibmvjlqspkihvi> References: <018401c820be$d20272b0$ec10ba89@ibmvjlqspkihvi> Message-ID: Yes--doG knows, and so, also, do several others! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Donald L. Taylor wrote: > I have an Ohio Motor Company engine probably built about 1910. > Anyone know the original color > > Donald L. Taylor > 5550, Route 880 > Dobson's Corner, New Brunswick > Canada > E4Z 4B7 > Phone (506)372-4661 > Cell(506)878-0355 > email c696 at earthlink.net > VE1DLT > This message transmitted by the Power of God, > Who, in these last times, revealed to people > some of the amazing features He built in > to his wonderful creation. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From toadhill at aeroinc.net Tue Nov 6 19:18:22 2007 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe Maurer) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:18:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page Message-ID: <000a01c820ec$db90a6c0$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> Did Harry change his page. I can log in but can't get into Smoke Staks. It asks for my user name and passwork which I already gave when I logged in. Thanks, Joe Maurer From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 6 19:32:57 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:32:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page References: <000a01c820ec$db90a6c0$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <000801c820ee$e4a62c60$59f5ecdc@Edd> I'm having the same problem. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Maurer" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page > Did Harry change his page. I can log in but can't get into Smoke Staks. > It asks for my user name and passwork which I already gave when I logged > in. > > Thanks, > Joe Maurer > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 6 19:33:48 2007 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:33:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page References: <000a01c820ec$db90a6c0$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <002201c820ef$0235c510$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> Doing me the same way Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Maurer" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page > Did Harry change his page. I can log in but can't get into Smoke Staks. It asks for my user name and passwork which I already gave when I logged in. > > Thanks, > Joe Maurer > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottawa at pa.net Tue Nov 6 20:04:53 2007 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:04:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page References: <000a01c820ec$db90a6c0$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> <002201c820ef$0235c510$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> Message-ID: <00fb01c820f3$59d14d90$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Joe, Edd & Dick, I hope you all saw Peter's message earlier! Message was: Harry has been in touch, his server crashed and it is taking a while to get it all up again. I don't think the site is completely back on line. Helen Myers ----- Original Message ----- From: Dickie To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Harry's Page Doing me the same way Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Maurer" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page > Did Harry change his page. I can log in but can't get into Smoke Staks. It asks for my user name and passwork which I already gave when I logged in. > > Thanks, > Joe Maurer > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Nov 6 21:18:58 2007 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:18:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160711061004j55a99a9fk2f16fdffa7a719cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c820fd$e0d04760$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Thanks, Peter! Jim M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: ; "Stationary-Engine" Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? > On 06/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > > Has anyone been able to get onto Smokstak today? > > Harry has been in touch, his server crashed and it is taking a while > to get it all up again. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 22:40:02 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:40:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <4730EB5B.9090603@optusnet.com.au> References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <4730E93D.10109@optusnet.com.au> <4730EB5B.9090603@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160711062240q2fc8556awdbf222423c567f92@mail.gmail.com> On 06/11/2007, Jack Watson wrote: > Jack Watson wrote: > > David Rotigel wrote: > >> Hell, $1,700.00 does NOT buy much anymore! > >> Dave > >> > >> > >> -------- > >> David Rotigel > > === > > Or you could say, $1,700,000 is now only worth an old engine? > > JW? That was the $AU you were referring to? :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Nov 6 23:27:24 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:27:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160711061004j55a99a9fk2f16fdffa7a719cd@mail.gmail.com> <000001c820fd$e0d04760$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> I find it amusing how many people go into a total decline becasue they do not receive an email each day or a web site is down. What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in engines ;-))))))))) Flame me for being so brash ;-)) Peter, Oz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 01:46:50 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:46:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711061336s156de9c1r4b51e752e6dd1f8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <6f6025160711061336s156de9c1r4b51e752e6dd1f8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711070146o7cfdfbbdgf6b05b3a47452a1f@mail.gmail.com> On 06/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 06/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > > Hell, $1,700.00 does NOT buy much anymore! > > Dave > > > > Especially at $2.088 to the ? Sterling.... :-)) > Hmmmm $US 2.10195 to the ? Sterling this morning, time to go and get some $$'s for the trip next week. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Nov 7 06:36:05 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:36:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? In-Reply-To: <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160711061004j55a99a9fk2f16fdffa7a719cd@mail.gmail.com> <000001c820fd$e0d04760$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20071107113604.096C7229A52@md5.pennswoods.net> Peter you don't mean getting that old engine running. or some thing like that you should be strapped. lol R Fink At 06:27 PM 11/7/2007 +1100, you wrote: >I find it amusing how many people go into a total decline becasue they do >not receive an email each day or a web site is down. >What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in >engines ;-))))))))) > >Flame me for being so brash ;-)) > > >Peter, Oz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1108 - Release Date: >11/3/2007 9:42 PM From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Nov 7 05:18:14 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:18:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? In-Reply-To: <20071107113604.096C7229A52@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160711061004j55a99a9fk2f16fdffa7a719cd@mail.gmail.com> <000001c820fd$e0d04760$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> <20071107113604.096C7229A52@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <2199.165.206.180.53.1194441494.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Dude, it's getting COLD here and I don't have a heated shop. So my time outside is limited, it's off-season here. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1982 Eagle SX/4 1980 Eagle wagon http://theamcpages.com administrator/webmaster http://theamcforum.com > > At 06:27 PM 11/7/2007 +1100, you wrote: >>I find it amusing how many people go into a total decline becasue they do >>not receive an email each day or a web site is down. >>What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in >>engines ;-))))))))) >> >>Flame me for being so brash ;-)) >> >> >>Peter, Oz >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1108 - Release Date: >>11/3/2007 9:42 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 7 06:42:52 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:42:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? Message-ID: <20071107.100520.1316.2.jlb94@juno.com> What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in engines ;-))))))))) Amen !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The richest person is not the one who has the most, (_o_) but the one who needs the least." . From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Nov 7 09:10:41 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:10:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? In-Reply-To: <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <282965.46613.qm@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Peter. Fred Here.... At least that is my name right now since I am at work and do most of my browsing of Harry's when I am at work when there is downtime between help calls... With the site down, I had to go else ware to pass some of the time... Once I got home, I loaded an engine onto a skid for shipping and worked in the garage for a bit on several other engine projects before crashing... I didn't know that the site was down until I got to work yesterday morning...When I came in from working last night, I got a nextel beep from a friend asking what was up and explained what I had heard happened. (from a different source) and checked the site...AHH the classifieds were up, but the forums were not yet at the time. This morning, I see that the site is backup. It is a beautiful day...and I am stuck in a windowless office.... !!! Steve --- Peter Lowe wrote: I find it amusing how many people go into a total decline becasue they do not receive an email each day or a web site is down. What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in engines ;-))))))))) Flame me for being so brash ;-)) Peter, Oz From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 7 10:16:53 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:16:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? In-Reply-To: <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160711061004j55a99a9fk2f16fdffa7a719cd@mail.gmail.com> <000001c820fd$e0d04760$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: ROFLMAO!! Heretic!! Doncha know that there are engine folks who discovered computers and there are computer folks who discovered engines. Wanna guess who's working in the shed and who's bitching on email? 8-))))) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > I find it amusing how many people go into a total decline becasue they do > not receive an email each day or a web site is down. > What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in > engines ;-))))))))) > > Flame me for being so brash ;-)) From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Nov 7 11:33:34 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 06:33:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? References: <282965.46613.qm@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c82175$167c1520$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Steve Have a great computer/engine day, don't fall off your chair and hurt yourself ;-))) Peter, Oz > This morning, I see that the site is backup. It is a beautiful day...and > I am stuck in a windowless office.... !!! > > Steve > > --- Peter Lowe wrote: > > I find it amusing how many people go into a total decline becasue they > do not receive an email each day or a web site is down. > What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in > engines ;-))))))))) > > Flame me for being so brash ;-)) > > > Peter, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Nov 7 11:35:59 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 06:35:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? References: <20071107.100520.1316.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <001d01c82175$6ce709b0$0601a8c0@altech> > What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in > engines ;-)))))))))> > > > > Amen !!! > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Aahhhhhhh, a real engine man, have fun Joe. Peter, Oz From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Nov 7 13:19:55 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:19:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? In-Reply-To: <001d01c82175$6ce709b0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <20071107.100520.1316.2.jlb94@juno.com> <001d01c82175$6ce709b0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <3236.165.206.180.53.1194470395.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> That's why I built a $40,000 barn.......... but no electric or heat yet. http://theamcpages.com/new-garage.asp Cars and tractor move out there to the barn, leaving entire garage addition for my engines - ROOM TO WORK finally. Some things, mags, etc., I take in the house to work on anyway. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1982 Eagle SX/4 1980 Eagle wagon http://theamcpages.com http://theamcforum.com >> What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in >> engines ;-)))))))))> >> >> >> >> Amen !!! >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > > Aahhhhhhh, a real engine man, have fun Joe. > Peter, Oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Nov 7 13:22:50 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:22:50 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Muffler paint- 2K feedback wanted Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071107232058.00b94ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, I've been very quiet on the lists lately. Major problems with my Internet connection!! But this is, after all, South Africa - rapidly retreating into 3rd world status ! When you get (dial-up) connections at 4 Kbits per second and the local telephone line provider (monopoly) checks the line twice and reports that there is nothing wrong with it then one just has to wonder! It took me 25 minutes to send an eMail with a 124 Kbyte attachment last week. In the good old days this would have gone out in max. 10 seconds. It's 10:30 pm here and I've just been tweaking the bitch's carby. (My 8 HP air cooled Bernard a.k.a "Madame"). Some of you may know her - shes a French built model and looks great but in a former life she must have been either a brothel owner or a school mistress - she does not take nonsense from anyone. Hence her name "Madame". (That rubber fuel line has long since been replaced with copper.) If you just touch her wrong while trying to start her she is guaranteed to try her best to break your wrist. Only way to start is with a crank handle but fortunately this is spring loaded and fits into a sleeve, it cannot jump out and smash your face (I think that she must have done this with her designer - hence the sleeve to keep the crank handle in place). If you crank her "just wrong" she does her best to break your wrist. Best not to fool with her after a few drinks! She often needs "sweet nothings" whispered into her ear - something like "c'mon you bitch - if you don't start this time it's the smelter for you". She usually runs beautifully after this :-) This gets me back to the reason for this mail. Sometime within the last year someone asked the question, "what is the best paint for a muffler". I replied that we use black 2K paint without a primer and cited "Madame's" muffler as an example -being an air cooled 8 HP her muffler gets pretty hot - it still looks as good as new. I forget who asked but he did reply and say that he would give it a try. Some feedback would be great - did you (or any other list members) try it and, if so, how did it work for you? Many questions and answers come through the lists but feedback as to wether it worked for you or not seldom appear. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 10:34:54 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:34:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Muffler paint- 2K feedback wanted Message-ID: <407583.89522.qm@web59204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Jerry-san, What is 2K paint? Oom Bill From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 8 11:41:00 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:41:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Muffler paint- 2K feedback wanted References: <407583.89522.qm@web59204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c8223f$4aadb040$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> 2000 degree F .......direct flame , headers , etc > Jerry-san, What is 2K paint? Oom Bill > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Nov 8 13:55:44 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:55:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap Message-ID: <20071108.135545.1824.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Where is the best place to get a magneto cap for an IH LB with the IH magneto. I know several places, which do you recommend. If you are reading between the lines I am cheap. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From skipl130 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 17:49:45 2007 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:49:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap In-Reply-To: <20071108.135545.1824.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <692773.35681.qm@web35306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ron, it is the same cap used on farmall a & b tractors. skip rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: Hi all. Where is the best place to get a magneto cap for an IH LB with the IH magneto. I know several places, which do you recommend. If you are reading between the lines I am cheap. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From shop at cccomm.net Fri Nov 9 06:10:29 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:10:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap References: <20071108.135545.1824.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <00da01c822da$4a1898c0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> If it's cracked, fix it. Ace hardware has a product called plasti-dip meant for coating tool handles. It is nonconductive and will insulate a magneto cap in a heartbeat. Less than 8 bucks.......... Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap > Hi all. > Where is the best place to get a magneto cap for an IH LB with the IH > magneto. I know several places, which do you recommend. If you are > reading between the lines I am cheap. > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From milo at hughes.net Fri Nov 9 06:25:30 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:25:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap In-Reply-To: <00da01c822da$4a1898c0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <20071108.135545.1824.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <00da01c822da$4a1898c0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <000301c822dc$669b9180$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst >Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:10 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] IH LB mag cap > >If it's cracked, fix it. >Ace hardware has a product called plasti-dip meant for coating tool >handles. >It is nonconductive and will insulate a magneto cap in a heartbeat. Less >than 8 bucks.......... >Dave Very interesting fix. Definitely going to put that one in my memory bank, (what left of it) :-) One question, if I may, do you just plug the holes and "dip-it"? or do you dab / brush it on? Peace Milo >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:55 PM >Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap > > >> Hi all. >> Where is the best place to get a magneto cap for an IH LB with the IH >> magneto. I know several places, which do you recommend. If you are >> reading between the lines I am cheap. >> Thanks. >> >> Ron Haskell >> rdhaskell at juno.com >> Riverside, California >> USA >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 >9:29 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 9:29 AM From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Nov 9 09:19:21 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:19:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap Message-ID: <20071109.091921.1572.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Dave. Mine is missing more than half. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:10:29 -0800 "Dave Ernst" writes: > If it's cracked, fix it. > Ace hardware has a product called plasti-dip meant for coating tool > handles. > It is nonconductive and will insulate a magneto cap in a heartbeat. > Less > than 8 bucks.......... > Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 9 10:56:38 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:56:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Very Sad Day for our engine buddy Bill Miller Message-ID: <00a601c82302$4300c5d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I just received this terrible e-mail in regards to our dear friend and engine buddy, Bill Miller. Please pray for him and his family. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: BillMil357 at aol.com To: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: Bill Miller Paul, I hate to tell you this in an email but Daddy is back in the hospital with terminal brain tumor. I'll let you read the email my sister sent out. We don't have Daddy's cell phone or I would have called. I know how much you mean to him. You can call me Diana or Mom if you want to. Randy me 901-409-8242 Diana 901-491-5465 Mom 901-901-849-0013 Friends and family, He is in Tower 904. They moved him about 9:00 last night. He has an aggressive form of brain tumor that is incurable. We began palliative care last night, which the doctor explained to him this morning and he understands and wants. The biggest blessing of all is that when he left Methodist North, he could no longer maintain his internal medicine physician, since Dr. Versoza does not practice at Central. But God sent a dear family friend from his church, Dr. Jeff Warren, who took over his care and promptly gave my mom the straight scoop on his illness and prognosis. They were afraid he might not make it through last night. My mom was able to sign DNR orders with sadness but with the absolute knowledge that we had done everything possible for Daddy. She got the information gently from someone who knows and loves her and my Daddy. My brother spent the night last night and my mom came home to spend the night with us at my house. Both of us slept well after a long, tense day yesterday. Dr Warren came to the hospital at 6:30 this morning and explained everything to Daddy and my brother. He understood and agreed. He did not want my mom to go through the horrors of procedures that would do no good. We will be able to be with him now with no beeping machines, no loud noises, no scary procedures and no restrictions on who and how long anyone can visit. We will hold his hand and walk with him to the gates of heaven. We thank our friends and family for their continued love and support. I have included a long list of recipients on this e-mail, but hope you will forward this to anyone you know of that loves my Daddy and would want to know. You?ll find us in Room 904 Tower at Methodist Hospital Central or in a waiting room nearby. Your e-mails, calls and prayers are a blessing to us right now. Some of us will be with him at the hospital until Jesus comes to take him home. Love, Diana -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 11:36:09 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:36:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Very Sad Day for our engine buddy Bill Miller In-Reply-To: <00a601c82302$4300c5d0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00a601c82302$4300c5d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6f6025160711091136k118659a9t6da887cf6e3b7da4@mail.gmail.com> On 09/11/2007, Paul Maples wrote: > Folks I just received this terrible e-mail in regards to our dear friend and engine buddy, Bill Miller. Please pray for him and his family. > > Paul That's as bad as it gets. Thanks for letting us know, Paul. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 9 17:39:13 2007 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:39:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Very Sad Day for our engine buddy Bill Miller References: <00a601c82302$4300c5d0$240110ac@FAMILY> <6f6025160711091136k118659a9t6da887cf6e3b7da4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002101c8233a$7fb6a250$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> Paul thanks so much for the update on Bill, I truly hate hearing this disturbing news but do thank you for the update. Bill is one fine gentleman and will continuing praying for him and his family. Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Very Sad Day for our engine buddy Bill Miller > On 09/11/2007, Paul Maples wrote: > > Folks I just received this terrible e-mail in regards to our dear friend and engine buddy, Bill Miller. Please pray for him and his family. > > > > Paul > > That's as bad as it gets. Thanks for letting us know, Paul. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 9 23:17:06 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:17:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel Message-ID: <000801c82369$b3fa4240$daba693a@fred> Can any UK. Members direct me to a site where I can Download pictures of a Blackstone Vertical Diesel. Brian. David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Nov 10 01:25:05 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:25:05 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel In-Reply-To: <000801c82369$b3fa4240$daba693a@fred> References: <000801c82369$b3fa4240$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <000001c8237b$94a2dcb0$bde89610$@net.au> What exactly are you after Brian? I own a twin cylinder vertical Blackstone EV2 90 hp. You are welcome to pictures of that if they are of any use. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2007 4:17 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel Can any UK. Members direct me to a site where I can Download pictures of a Blackstone Vertical Diesel. Brian. David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Sat Nov 10 04:49:43 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:49:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap References: <20071108.135545.1824.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><00da01c822da$4a1898c0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <000301c822dc$669b9180$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <012001c82398$2a645a00$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> either way works well ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milo" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IH LB mag cap > >-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >>bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst >>Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:10 AM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] IH LB mag cap >> >>If it's cracked, fix it. >>Ace hardware has a product called plasti-dip meant for coating tool >>handles. >>It is nonconductive and will insulate a magneto cap in a heartbeat. Less >>than 8 bucks.......... >>Dave > > Very interesting fix. Definitely going to put that one in my memory bank, > (what left of it) :-) > One question, if I may, do you just plug the holes and "dip-it"? > or do you dab / brush it on? > > Peace > Milo > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: ; >>Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:55 PM >>Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap >> >> >>> Hi all. >>> Where is the best place to get a magneto cap for an IH LB with the IH >>> magneto. I know several places, which do you recommend. If you are >>> reading between the lines I am cheap. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Ron Haskell >>> rdhaskell at juno.com >>> Riverside, California >>> USA >>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: >>11/8/2007 >>9:29 AM >> > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: > 11/8/2007 > 9:29 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 09:19:42 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:19:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel In-Reply-To: <000801c82369$b3fa4240$daba693a@fred> References: <000801c82369$b3fa4240$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <6f6025160711100919p479e84e0y2047929d2550957c@mail.gmail.com> On 10/11/2007, Brian Watts wrote: > Can any UK. Members direct me to a site where I can Download pictures of a Blackstone Vertical Diesel. > Brian. Blackstone DB ? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat Nov 10 13:01:04 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:01:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel References: <000801c82369$b3fa4240$daba693a@fred> <000001c8237b$94a2dcb0$bde89610$@net.au> Message-ID: <000801c823dc$cf892cb0$daba693a@fred> Lokking for photos of single cyl. 6hp. vert. Blackstone Diesel. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel > What exactly are you after Brian? I own a twin cylinder vertical > Blackstone > EV2 90 hp. You are welcome to pictures of that if they are of any use. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts > Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2007 4:17 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel > > Can any UK. Members direct me to a site where I can Download pictures of a > Blackstone Vertical Diesel. > Brian. > David Watts (03) 97293304 > damewatt at bigpond.com > Brian Watts (03) 97266147 > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.27/1121 - Release Date: > 9/11/2007 7:29 PM > > From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 10 14:59:12 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:59:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Very Sad Day for our engine buddy Bill Miller Message-ID: Paul, this is terrible news. Bill is a fine man, an old-school gent for sure. We wish him and his family the best possible transition to what lies beyond. Thank you for letting us know.Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From dleis at centurytel.net Sat Nov 10 17:05:38 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:05:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Economy Message-ID: <000801c823fe$fa822e40$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi List Just quick question does Economy and Hercules share the same serial number year? I cant seem to find the serial number list for my 5hp economy serial number 58607 thank you for the help :-) Stacy Leis Elroy , Wisconsin From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Nov 10 17:42:00 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:42:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Economy Message-ID: <20071110.174200.1552.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Glenn's book says engines with serial number 50,000 to 60,000 were made in 1914. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:05:38 -0600 "Stacy Leis" writes: > Hi List > > Just quick question does Economy and Hercules share the same > serial number year? I cant seem to find the serial number list for > my 5hp economy serial number 58607 thank you for the help :-) > > Stacy Leis > Elroy , Wisconsin From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 10 18:49:10 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:49:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Economy In-Reply-To: <000801c823fe$fa822e40$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <000801c823fe$fa822e40$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <2871A23B-9ED3-437B-8DCE-0A3FB00CB6FA@alltel.net> Yes. Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 10, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Stacy Leis wrote: > Hi List > > Just quick question does Economy and Hercules share the same > serial number year? > > Stacy Leis From dleis at centurytel.net Sat Nov 10 18:46:08 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:46:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Economy References: <000801c823fe$fa822e40$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <2871A23B-9ED3-437B-8DCE-0A3FB00CB6FA@alltel.net> Message-ID: <000d01c8240d$04935b80$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Thank you guy's Stacy :-) From astfgl at iamnota.org Sat Nov 10 21:15:19 2007 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:15:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? Message-ID: <47368FE7.6010208@iamnota.org> I'm posting this on behalf of my father, who has a Buzacott/Rosebery with a nasty knock in the main bearings - they're rather worn and he can wobble the crankshaft by hand. The instruction manual mentions adjusting the bearings, but with no details on how to go about it. The parts list shows the 4C and 6C have a two part bearing which would be adjustable, but not the 2C or 3C. Is this fixable in a garage workshop, or is it beyond his means? On a related note, is there a service manual for these engines? Thanks, glen. From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Nov 10 21:43:46 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:43:46 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? In-Reply-To: <47368FE7.6010208@iamnota.org> References: <47368FE7.6010208@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <002e01c82425$d40e3570$7c2aa050$@net.au> I've got a few each of these engines but have not had the bottom end apart yet. You should be able to get a service book from Greg McNiece at www.rallybadges.com.au He has them advertised for 11 Dollars. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glen Harris Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 2:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? I'm posting this on behalf of my father, who has a Buzacott/Rosebery with a nasty knock in the main bearings - they're rather worn and he can wobble the crankshaft by hand. The instruction manual mentions adjusting the bearings, but with no details on how to go about it. The parts list shows the 4C and 6C have a two part bearing which would be adjustable, but not the 2C or 3C. Is this fixable in a garage workshop, or is it beyond his means? On a related note, is there a service manual for these engines? Thanks, glen. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From astfgl at iamnota.org Sat Nov 10 22:09:09 2007 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:09:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? In-Reply-To: <002e01c82425$d40e3570$7c2aa050$@net.au> References: <47368FE7.6010208@iamnota.org> <002e01c82425$d40e3570$7c2aa050$@net.au> Message-ID: <47369C85.60602@iamnota.org> Which product_id are you referring to? I bought 1154 "Rosebery C 2,3,4, & 6hp Vertical Engines" for him some time ago, which is the operating instructions. Can you point me to which one is the service manual? Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > I've got a few each of these engines but have not had the bottom end apart > yet. You should be able to get a service book from Greg McNiece at > www.rallybadges.com.au He has them advertised for 11 Dollars. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glen Harris > Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 2:15 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? > > I'm posting this on behalf of my father, who has a Buzacott/Rosebery with a > nasty knock in the main bearings - they're rather worn and he can wobble the > > crankshaft by hand. The instruction manual mentions adjusting the bearings, > but with no details on how to go about it. The parts list shows the 4C and > 6C > have a two part bearing which would be adjustable, but not the 2C or 3C. Is > this fixable in a garage workshop, or is it beyond his means? > > On a related note, is there a service manual for these engines? > > Thanks, glen. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Nov 10 22:51:07 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:51:07 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? In-Reply-To: <47369C85.60602@iamnota.org> References: <47368FE7.6010208@iamnota.org> <002e01c82425$d40e3570$7c2aa050$@net.au> <47369C85.60602@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <004801c8242f$3cb9c6d0$b62d5470$@net.au> Give Greg a phone call. He is a very helpful bloke and will try his best to get you the right book. Also I'm sure some of these Aussie blokes here can help out when they wake up from the Sunday arvo camp. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glen Harris Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 3:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? Which product_id are you referring to? I bought 1154 "Rosebery C 2,3,4, & 6hp Vertical Engines" for him some time ago, which is the operating instructions. Can you point me to which one is the service manual? Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > I've got a few each of these engines but have not had the bottom end apart > yet. You should be able to get a service book from Greg McNiece at > www.rallybadges.com.au He has them advertised for 11 Dollars. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glen Harris > Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 2:15 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? > > I'm posting this on behalf of my father, who has a Buzacott/Rosebery with a > nasty knock in the main bearings - they're rather worn and he can wobble the > > crankshaft by hand. The instruction manual mentions adjusting the bearings, > but with no details on how to go about it. The parts list shows the 4C and > 6C > have a two part bearing which would be adjustable, but not the 2C or 3C. Is > this fixable in a garage workshop, or is it beyond his means? > > On a related note, is there a service manual for these engines? > > Thanks, glen. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Nov 11 04:27:31 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:27:31 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Muffler paint- 2K feedback wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071111135129.00b8eec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 09/11/2007, you wrote: >From: William Young >Subject: Re: [SEL] Muffler paint- 2K feedback wanted > >Jerry-san, What is 2K paint? Oom Bill Hi Oom Bill-san, 2K paint (a.k.a. as 2 Pack) is a two component paint system - usually mixed 2 parts base (the colour) to 1 part hardener (clear). It is widely used as an automotive finish and is good at covering small imperfections (like sanding scratches) as well as attaining a very high gloss. I think (but may be wrong) that it is a polyurethane based system and the hardeners come in different "speeds" for want of a better word. Slow, medium and fast. Slow is used in hot conditions and helps by allowing the paint to "flow" before curing. Fast is used under colder conditions. It must be used under very well ventilated conditions and a respirator mask is also preferable due to the fact that it contains isocyanate which can be dangerous when vaporized and inhaled. 2K is not a brand name but rather a type of paint made by most paint manufacturers under their brand names. A Google search for "2K Paint" brings a lot more information. I hope this helps. Keep well Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 11 04:56:02 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 07:56:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] There's a Hit & Miss Engine Lurking in There Message-ID: <1194785762.4736fbe2bebdf@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Folks, This looks like it could be the start of a sweet winter project. Enjoy! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200170730907 Item name: BRUNNER AIR COMPRESSOR- HIT AND MISS ENGINE project See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 11 05:24:09 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:24:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] There's a Hit & Miss Engine Lurking in There In-Reply-To: <1194785762.4736fbe2bebdf@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1194785762.4736fbe2bebdf@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <47370279.10105@scrtc.com> Wow Arnie. At Norm Parrish's auction in June, I bet he had 20 of the little compressors like the ebay item. They built them in a couple of different sizes and Norm had a good selection of both. The going price was about $50 at the sale. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hiya Folks, > >This looks like it could be the start of a sweet winter project. Enjoy! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200170730907 >Item name: BRUNNER AIR COMPRESSOR- HIT AND MISS ENGINE project > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 11 08:00:33 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:00:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] There's a Hit & Miss Engine Lurking in There In-Reply-To: <47370279.10105@scrtc.com> References: <1194785762.4736fbe2bebdf@webmail.city-net.com> <47370279.10105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1194796833.47372721e8706@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, He should have put them on eBay. 8-))) For some reason there's one bidder that REALLY wants that little compressor. Go figger... See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Wow Arnie. At Norm Parrish's auction in June, I bet he had 20 of the > little compressors like the ebay item. They built them in a couple of > different sizes and Norm had a good selection of both. The going price > was about $50 at the sale. > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200170730907 > >Item name: BRUNNER AIR COMPRESSOR- HIT AND MISS ENGINE project From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 11 08:05:46 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:05:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Amerind-MacKissic Mighty Mac Sprayer Model PS322T - OT Message-ID: <1194797146.4737285a6b175@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Please forgive the shameless self-promotion. Do you need a tree sprayer? I just listed a nice one on eBay. I can deliver it at no cost to any of the summer engine shows I attend. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260181349535 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Nov 12 06:51:59 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:51:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - Amerind-MacKissic Mighty Mac Sprayer Model PS322T - OT In-Reply-To: <1194797146.4737285a6b175@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1194797146.4737285a6b175@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20071112115152.EE8FC2298B4@md5.pennswoods.net> Arnie what is the reserve on it i would like to have that for my fruit trees. R Fink At 11:05 AM 11/11/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Please forgive the shameless self-promotion. Do you need a tree sprayer? >I just listed a nice one on eBay. I can deliver it at no cost to any of the >summer engine shows I attend. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260181349535 > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1119 - Release Date: >11/8/2007 5:55 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 12 07:51:31 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:51:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT - Amerind-MacKissic Mighty Mac Sprayer Model PS322T - OT In-Reply-To: <20071112115152.EE8FC2298B4@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <1194797146.4737285a6b175@webmail.city-net.com> <20071112115152.EE8FC2298B4@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: Hi Richard, $200 reserve. Thanks for looking. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Richard Fink Sr wrote: > Arnie what is the reserve on it i would like to have that for my fruit trees. > > At 11:05 AM 11/11/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260181349535 From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Nov 12 17:47:22 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:47:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Dixie mag question Message-ID: <20071112.174722.1976.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Over the weekend a 4hp vertical Cushman serial no.27630 followed me home. It has a Dixie magneto, my question is: what goes on the end of the high tension wire where it goes into the lead out tower? It looks like it might be an inch long and tapered. Specs on the mag, Patent dates of Dec 16-13, July 28-14, Great Britain 8128 & 29655-13, 21583-14, Canada Dec 22-14. On the other cover at the bottom, 194603 and 601. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Nov 12 22:36:46 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:36:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives! Message-ID: <20071113063653.MYJK11084.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I picked up a parcel from the post office yesterday which contained parts I had ordered from the USA for the 1hp R&V I picked up in September. In the box was the governor, ignitor & trip. After 2.5hrs work (mainly getting the wasp nests out of the head, carby & exhaust & freeing up stuck parts) the little engine fired first try. I still have to make a few adjustments to get the governor working properly but it is good to have another running R&V. Now I just have to make some time to paint it and my other 1hp up to match the big 12hp :) Some pics of the 1hp at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv1hp1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 04:03:56 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:03:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives! In-Reply-To: <20071113063653.MYJK11084.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071113063653.MYJK11084.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Nice one Patrick,bet you are still smiling. John> From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:36:46 +1100> Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives!> > I picked up a parcel from the post office yesterday which contained parts I> had ordered from the USA for the 1hp R&V I picked up in September. In the> box was the governor, ignitor & trip.> After 2.5hrs work (mainly getting the wasp nests out of the head, carby &> exhaust & freeing up stuck parts) the little engine fired first try. I still> have to make a few adjustments to get the governor working properly but it> is good to have another running R&V. Now I just have to make some time to> paint it and my other 1hp up to match the big 12hp :)> Some pics of the 1hp at:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv1hp1.html> > > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Nov 13 15:16:31 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:16:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating Message-ID: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Is there a list for dating Galloway engines? A friend just bought a 6 hp #40819. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Nov 13 15:52:37 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:52:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating References: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Ron, according to Cullom's list, 40131 was 7/1/19 and then gets a little blurry as 44449 was 1919. I reckon 1919 was be a good swag :-) RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating > Hi all. Is there a list for dating Galloway engines? A friend just > bought a 6 hp #40819. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 13 15:57:48 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:57:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating In-Reply-To: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <16754F18-B3AC-47E9-B36F-81A6B8DB05FE@rustyiron.com> Hi Ron, Try John Cullom. He has a nice serial number list on his web page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Nov 13, 2007, at 3:16 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. Is there a list for dating Galloway engines? A friend just > bought a 6 hp #40819. Thanks. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Nov 13 15:58:09 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:58:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - Amerind-MacKissic Mighty Mac Sprayer Model PS322T - OT In-Reply-To: References: <1194797146.4737285a6b175@webmail.city-net.com> <20071112115152.EE8FC2298B4@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <20071113235811.9678C22801B@md5.pennswoods.net> That would be a good deal Arnie. Would like to have it but with the cost of fuel oil i better hope for an other in the spring. R Fink At 10:51 AM 11/12/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Richard, $200 reserve. Thanks for looking. See ya, Arnie > >On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Richard Fink Sr wrote: > > > Arnie what is the reserve on it i would like to have that for my > fruit trees. > > > > At 11:05 AM 11/11/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260181349535 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1119 - Release Date: >11/8/2007 5:55 PM From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 13 16:11:54 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:11:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating In-Reply-To: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <0F5BCFFC-9515-4F3A-93A1-C47954D0010A@alltel.net> See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/ -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:16 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. Is there a list for dating Galloway engines? A friend just > bought a 6 hp #40819. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 13 16:43:36 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:43:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives! In-Reply-To: <20071113063653.MYJK11084.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071113063653.MYJK11084.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, The pictures look great and I'm sure glad that the engine is running! I'm always glad to see engines built in one country running at shows in another country. Arnie's English "imports" are always a BIG hit here in the US, as is my Austral! I've heard that some in OZ have an objection to engines built in Australia being exported to the US. Never have figured out that kind of mentality! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 13, 2007, at 1:36 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I picked up a parcel from the post office yesterday which contained > parts I > had ordered from the USA for the 1hp R&V I picked up in September. > In the > box was the governor, ignitor & trip. > After 2.5hrs work (mainly getting the wasp nests out of the head, > carby & > exhaust & freeing up stuck parts) the little engine fired first > try. I still > have to make a few adjustments to get the governor working properly > but it > is good to have another running R&V. Now I just have to make some > time to > paint it and my other 1hp up to match the big 12hp :) > Some pics of the 1hp at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv1hp1.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Nov 13 18:00:43 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:00:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating Message-ID: <20071113.180158.716.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Rick Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:52:37 -0700 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Ron, according to Cullom's list, 40131 was 7/1/19 and then gets a > little > blurry as 44449 was 1919. I reckon 1919 was be a good swag :-) > > RickinMt. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Nov 13 18:01:58 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:01:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating Message-ID: <20071113.180158.716.7.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Dave. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:11:54 -0500 David Rotigel writes: > See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/ > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 13 19:15:35 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (ozengine at optusnet.com.au) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:15:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives! Message-ID: <200711140315.lAE3FZs8009044@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 23:00:15 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:00:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating In-Reply-To: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711132300u27ed832etfe973040a2f768b3@mail.gmail.com> On 13/11/2007, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. Is there a list for dating Galloway engines? A friend just > bought a 6 hp #40819. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell Not related to the original request, Ron, but yesterday morning I had a trip to Scotland to a Hydro-Electric plant, part of the Galloway Water Scheme, dated 1936. It's a 2-turbine 6MW stored water plant with a lake above the station which is emptied through the turbines in the afternoon/evening peak demand period, then fills up again overnight and in the morning. We have just supplied a dual-110V DC charger system and distribution board for the electrics at the station to be updated. When we go back to the station later in the month to commission the system, I'll get some pictures of the station and equipment. We are off to Phoenix, AZ this morning, we stayed with my sister overnight as she lives close to Gatwick Airport, saves a 100-mile dash in the rush-hour! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 14 14:15:11 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:15:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives! In-Reply-To: <200711140315.lAE3FZs8009044@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200711140315.lAE3FZs8009044@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <82B52CE0-5AE2-4CB1-8201-1AC1FA0DDEB4@alltel.net> Hi Kerry, A friend just e-mailed me the following. > Next week the Senate sub Committee on Trade is scheduled to > consider Senate Bill 6969, the Historical Artifact Preservation > Act. In section VII of the proposal, antique engines, industrial > machinery and farm equipment are specifically mentioned. The bill > would prohibit all export of "our precious historical heritage" as > well as create a super-fund for the purchase and repatriation of > artifacts have been stolen from our sacred shores and now reside in > the hands of foreign speculators. A blue ribbon commission will be > appointed to track down and recover our lost heritage. Please call > your Senator NOW and let him know how you feel. I don't know if it is true, or not, but I do know that some people in the US are attempting to fight back against the stupid assed people in NZ and OZ who have passed similar laws. They are ALL DIP SHITS if you ask me! Dave PS, I've also been told that several collectors in OZ have notified the "authorities" when a shipment of engines was about to be exported from your country. Do you have any information on that? I'd sure like to know who in the hell these people are, if the report is true! If true, they should be BLACK LISTED! PPS, Can I show the Austral next year before I send it back? PPPS, Please inform those from OZ who attempt to take back my Austral that most in the USA still "carry!" PPPPS, I thought you were a Communist? -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:15 PM, ozengine at optusnet.com.au wrote: > Liberals Dave, Liberals - the place is full of them. > If you own something (engine) some want to tell you what you can or > not do with it, crap, it is mine and I will decide what I will do > with it. > > Dave it does not matter to these control freaks if it is made in Oz > or not, they want it kept here and hide behind heritage PC crap. so > please send back YOUR Austral and you not be reported. > > Kerry > > > >> I've heard that some in OZ have an objection to engines built in >> Australia >> being exported to the US. Never have figured out that kind of >> mentality! >> Dave From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Wed Nov 14 19:11:28 2007 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:11:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dixie mag question Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20071114221128.022207fc@mail.accnorwalk.com> At 05:47 PM 11/12/07 -0800, you wrote: >Hi all. >Over the weekend a 4hp vertical Cushman serial no.27630 followed me home. > It has a Dixie magneto, my question is: what goes on the end of the >high tension wire where it goes into the lead out tower? It looks like >it might be an inch long and tapered. Specs on the mag, Patent dates of >Dec 16-13, July 28-14, Great Britain 8128 & 29655-13, 21583-14, Canada >Dec 22-14. On the other cover at the bottom, 194603 and 601. >Thanks. >Ron Haskell Ron, Looks like you got as much response on the Dixie as I did when I posted over on Harry's mag forum. I've got a couple that use the Dixie mag and both of mine have bakelight coated nuts that thread on the leadout tower. My question is, how does the magnet work being mounted front to back instead of being mounted side to side like a Bosch, Eiseman, ect. I've got one that had a decent spark but not a lot of pull when you turned it by hand and I didn't think I could crank it fast enough to spark. I took it to a mag shop to have it charged and they said they couldn't do it with the magnets on so they removed them and charged them and reassembled. Now I can't get a decent spark by hand and there is less drag. I've took it all the way down and really don't understand how the magnetic field of the magnets are intended to draw on the armature. The coil sits side to side on a laminated block inside of the magnet. They are trying to sell me a new coil but I don't think that's the problem. I really had more drag and better spark before it was charged. Paul(?) says they are a good mag, maybe he can enlighten us as to how they work????? The newest date on the one I'm working on is Jan of 15 so it may be a little newer. Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From curt at imc-group.com Fri Nov 16 09:23:49 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:23:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cyclone photos.... Message-ID: <473DD225.40007@imc-group.com> A flywheel engine? Anyone recognize it? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 16 11:34:02 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:34:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM Message-ID: Hi All, Richard Backus FINALLY decided to send me my Dec./Jan issue of GEM. It arrived today and it was well worth the wait! Christian Williams has done a fine article on a fine engine, ATIS was given a "plug" for our Charity Auction at Portland, several SEL members were pictured (apparently Christian thought one SEL member so damn ugly that only his "backside" is pictured--the "zakery" problem I suspect!) and several other SEL member's engines were also included. Apparently Richard has decided to give Christian a chance to prove himself as Assistant Editor of GEM. If the Dec./Jan issue of GEM is any indication I'd say that Richard has made a good choice! Dave PS, Welcome to OUR WORLD Christian! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Nov 16 11:49:04 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:49:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <473DF430.6080309@scrtc.com> Darn Dave, mine hasn't arrived yet and I live closer to KS than you do! Maybe it will get here tomorrow. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi All, > Richard Backus FINALLY decided to send me my Dec./Jan issue of GEM. >It arrived today and it was well worth the wait! Christian Williams >has done a fine article on a fine engine, ATIS was given a "plug" for >our Charity Auction at Portland, several SEL members were pictured >(apparently Christian thought one SEL member so damn ugly that only >his "backside" is pictured--the "zakery" problem I suspect!) and >several other SEL member's engines were also included. > Apparently Richard has decided to give Christian a chance to prove >himself as Assistant Editor of GEM. If the Dec./Jan issue of GEM is >any indication I'd say that Richard has made a good choice! > Dave >PS, Welcome to OUR WORLD Christian! > > >-------- >David Rotigel >rotigel at alltel.net > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Fri Nov 16 15:32:58 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:32:58 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM Message-ID: <001301c828a9$057cd3f0$f9b16d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guys, What took so long for you to get your copy of GEM mine arrived last Saturday, sure is along way for it to go accross the pond. Dave I whole heartidly agree with you about Christian lets hope he keeps up the good work. Craig in Scotland From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Nov 16 15:48:42 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:48:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <001301c828a9$057cd3f0$f9b16d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <001301c828a9$057cd3f0$f9b16d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <473E2C5A.8090005@scrtc.com> Craig, If you got yours last week, I've got to file a complaint with someone. I've been a first class mail subscriber to GEM for probably 25 years. Now I find out it gets to Dave, 500 miles further to travel by mail, before it gets to me and it gets to you, 3500 miles further than Dave, than it gets to him........ wow. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY craig morrison wrote: >Hi Guys, > > What took so long for you to get your copy of GEM mine arrived last Saturday, sure is along way for it to go accross the pond. > Dave I whole heartidly agree with you about Christian lets hope he keeps up the good work. > >Craig in Scotland >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Nov 16 16:54:11 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:54:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <473DF430.6080309@scrtc.com> References: <473DF430.6080309@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Gee Tommy, if you'd just invest a couple of bucks in the airmail delivery option (rather than that mule-back country delivery you get now), you'd probably cut two weeks off your delivery time. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Darn Dave, mine hasn't arrived yet and I live closer to KS than you do! > Maybe it will get here tomorrow. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 16 16:15:36 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:15:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <473E2C5A.8090005@scrtc.com> References: <001301c828a9$057cd3f0$f9b16d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <473E2C5A.8090005@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <02812221-AF74-47B0-AD0D-B72DAB19975F@alltel.net> Hi Tommy, Richard has instituted a new policy re: the mailing of GEM. Those who support the Hildibeast for president have the magazine mailed to them first. Both of those those subscriptions were mailed out about two weeks ago. Next would be those who have have voiced no opposition to her candidacy--that would be most of the subscribers from countries other than the USA. Finally the magazine is mailed to those of us how believe that any Republican would make a better president than any of the Socialist-Democrats that are running. Dave PS, Where, you may ask does that leave you? I forgot to mention that the last category for the mailing out of GEM is anyone who has run for public office and gotten elected! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 16, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Craig, > If you got yours last week, I've got to file a complaint with > someone. I've been a first class mail subscriber to GEM for > probably 25 > years. Now I find out it gets to Dave, 500 miles further to travel by > mail, before it gets to me and it gets to you, 3500 miles further than > Dave, than it gets to him........ wow. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > craig morrison wrote: > >> Hi Guys, >> >> What took so long for you to get your copy of GEM mine >> arrived last Saturday, sure is along way for it to go accross the >> pond. >> Dave I whole heartidly agree with you about Christian lets hope >> he keeps up the good work. >> >> Craig in Scotland >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Nov 16 16:27:44 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:27:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <02812221-AF74-47B0-AD0D-B72DAB19975F@alltel.net> References: <001301c828a9$057cd3f0$f9b16d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <473E2C5A.8090005@scrtc.com> <02812221-AF74-47B0-AD0D-B72DAB19975F@alltel.net> Message-ID: <473E3580.7000406@scrtc.com> DARN! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY David Rotigel wrote: >Hi Tommy, > Richard has instituted a new policy re: the mailing of GEM. Those >who support the Hildibeast for president have the magazine mailed to >them first. Both of those those subscriptions were mailed out about >two weeks ago. Next would be those who have have voiced no opposition >to her candidacy--that would be most of the subscribers from >countries other than the USA. Finally the magazine is mailed to those >of us how believe that any Republican would make a better president >than any of the Socialist-Democrats that are running. > Dave >PS, Where, you may ask does that leave you? I forgot to mention that >the last category for the mailing out of GEM is anyone who has run >for public office and gotten elected! > > >-------- >David Rotigel >rotigel at alltel.net > > > >On Nov 16, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>Craig, >> If you got yours last week, I've got to file a complaint with >>someone. I've been a first class mail subscriber to GEM for >>probably 25 >>years. Now I find out it gets to Dave, 500 miles further to travel by >>mail, before it gets to me and it gets to you, 3500 miles further than >>Dave, than it gets to him........ wow. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>craig morrison wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Guys, >>> >>> What took so long for you to get your copy of GEM mine >>>arrived last Saturday, sure is along way for it to go accross the >>>pond. >>> Dave I whole heartidly agree with you about Christian lets hope >>>he keeps up the good work. >>> >>>Craig in Scotland >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Nov 16 16:43:15 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:43:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM Message-ID: <20071116.194729.272.1.jlb94@juno.com> What do ya mean - - -Finally ??? Mine ain't here yet. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The richest person is not the one who has the most, (_o_) but the one who needs the least." . From ddotto at cableone.net Fri Nov 16 18:43:14 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:43:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <02812221-AF74-47B0-AD0D-B72DAB19975F@alltel.net> Message-ID: <000001c828c3$9a4424b0$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Those who support the Hildibeast for president Oh Dave that's good. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 16 19:00:27 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:30:27 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Cyclone photos.... In-Reply-To: <473DD225.40007@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000001c828c6$047dfb60$90caae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> Could it be one of these, http://www.chinamachinerytrading.com/diesel_engines.htm Just cant see the headlight. A flywheel engine? Anyone recognize it? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Nov 16 19:48:50 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:48:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cyclone photos.... References: <000001c828c6$047dfb60$90caae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> Message-ID: <00bf01c828cc$c4540820$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> If you recall I posted photos from our trip to Vietman last year. Perhaps it is like one of those. Check through http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/119814809dGvRfu Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cyclone photos.... > Could it be one of these, > http://www.chinamachinerytrading.com/diesel_engines.htm > Just cant see the headlight. > > > > > A flywheel engine? Anyone recognize it? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Nov 17 06:35:32 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:35:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> test From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Sat Nov 17 06:52:43 2007 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:52:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <002301c82929$8269d130$020ba8c0@Waynexp> You past the test! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Denis Rouleau Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:36 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] test test _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 17 06:57:06 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:57:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <1195311426.473f0142b8b15@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Dennis, Welcome back! What have you been up to engine-wise or otherwise? See ya, Arnie Quoting Denis Rouleau : > test From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Nov 17 07:28:16 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:28:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071117102738.02f5c310@pop3.wcoil.com> Sorry, Try again I didn't get it. GRINN. At 09:35 AM 11/17/07, you wrote: >test > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Nov 17 07:30:28 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:30:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test References: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1195311426.473f0142b8b15@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8292e$c896f570$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Since I left this list 5 years ago I grew older and not wiser! I retired from my job of 35 years 2 years ago now (that's for the otherwise part). Engine-wise I grew from one to two sheds filled to the rafters with engines. Denis Rouleau Hey Dennis, Welcome back! What have you been up to engine-wise or otherwise? See ya, Arnie From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 15:37:41 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:37:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Surplus Shops Message-ID: <6f6025160711171537u2097990ey33afce8eee50ee2d@mail.gmail.com> Before we came over for our week in Phoenix, we asked on the components newsgroup about surplus places in the area that we could go and have a rummage through. One name that came up has turned out to be a little gold mine: Apache Reclamation & Electronics Inc., 313 W. Apache Street, Phoenix, AZ, 85003 602 254 0612 They also have a place in Albuquerque: Surplus City, 10805 Central N.E., Albuquerque, NM, 87123. 505 292 7131 We haven't been to the NM shop, but the one in Phoenix is well worth a call if you are over that way. They are technically electronics, but carry a huge range of mechanical parts like ball and rollers bearings, bearing housings/blocks, switches, pulleys, chain, connectors and so on. We spent an hour or so there and found a few bargains to follow us back to Tim's place. The shop front is in three sections, mostly electronics, but if you go out back, there is a very large racked area, probably 2000-3000sq ft area. Old radio tubes, semiconducvtors, test gear etc. Might be useful to folks who are in need or just like brousing round the old style surplus places. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sat Nov 17 17:07:11 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:07:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM References: Message-ID: <00cc01c8297f$59e90d10$f1d84c0c@D48VHZ61> I couldn't tell if I was reading GEM or a mountain of list emails! Quite a bit of familiar names in this issue. John Hall From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 17 17:51:48 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:51:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <00cc01c8297f$59e90d10$f1d84c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <00cc01c8297f$59e90d10$f1d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <473F9AB4.402@scrtc.com> Yeah I see why Dave liked it so much. It could have been titled "Rotigel's GEM Review" rather than just old GEM. Good article Dave. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY John Hall wrote: >I couldn't tell if I was reading GEM or a mountain of list emails! Quite a >bit of familiar names in this issue. > >John Hall > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From riga_fire at yahoo.com Sat Nov 17 18:40:37 2007 From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (Paul Russell) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:40:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Just joined....again Message-ID: <286831.37888.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Was on the list a few years ago and have just signed up again. I am 57, engineer in factory, cemetery sexton, Fire Chief, and have 16 engines (I think). Got to thinking about this when a friend called to see if I had a crank for his 3 hp engine he got at Portland. Reminded me of the discussions of using a crank......but I won't go there. 6 hp Herc Kero 6 hp Galloway, Galloway round rod 6 hp Economy 4 hp PT Legare (Canada) 1? hp Sandwich Fairbanks headless 1? and 3 hp John Deere Several Herc and Economy Coupla throttle governed that no one else wanted..... The education I received while on the list before has really helped me with the engines, and some not engine related too...... From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 17 19:24:41 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:24:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Just joined....again In-Reply-To: <286831.37888.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <286831.37888.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul, WELCOME HOME!!!!!!!!!! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 17, 2007, at 9:40 PM, Paul Russell wrote: > Was on the list a few years ago and have just signed up again. I am > 57, engineer in factory, cemetery sexton, Fire Chief, and have 16 > engines (I think). Got to thinking about this when a friend called > to see if I had a crank for his 3 hp engine he got at Portland. > Reminded me of the discussions of using a crank......but I won't go > there. > 6 hp Herc Kero > 6 hp Galloway, > Galloway round rod > 6 hp Economy > 4 hp PT Legare (Canada) > 1? hp Sandwich > Fairbanks headless > 1? and 3 hp John Deere > Several Herc and Economy > Coupla throttle governed that no one else wanted..... > > The education I received while on the list before has really helped > me with the engines, and some not engine related too...... > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 17 20:27:22 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:27:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <473F9AB4.402@scrtc.com> References: <00cc01c8297f$59e90d10$f1d84c0c@D48VHZ61> <473F9AB4.402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <2A639F2F-8EA7-47E9-A791-FA4FF2A6C8D4@alltel.net> Hi Tommy, I thought that Christian did an excellent job on the Austral piece. He seems to be a "quick learn", puts words together well, and does a GREAT job on the pictures! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 17, 2007, at 8:51 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Yeah I see why Dave liked it so much. It could have been titled > "Rotigel's GEM Review" rather than just old GEM. Good article Dave. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > John Hall wrote: > >> I couldn't tell if I was reading GEM or a mountain of list emails! >> Quite a >> bit of familiar names in this issue. >> >> John Hall >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 18 02:16:25 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:16:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&T - NRA In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20071114221128.022207fc@mail.accnorwalk.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20071114221128.022207fc@mail.accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <82D8FEFEEA624AC6869FA3A29F67D596@KerryPC> One for the Aussies Been asked for help from a TAFE for an engine they are restoring "Ronaldson bros. & Tippett 7hp Engine No 74219 type NRA, Particularly interested in colour specification" The engine dates at 1954, does anyone know of the correct colour Thanks Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 18 06:26:12 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:26:12 EST Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM Message-ID: In a message dated 11/16/2007 6:54:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: Now I find out it gets to Dave, 500 miles further to travel by mail, before it gets to me and it gets to you, 3500 miles further than Dave, than it gets to him........ wow. Tommy, I am probably somewhere in between Dave and Craig and have not gotten mine yet either. Go figure! Maybe there are being mailed out in alphabetical order of last name. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From MBellar at aol.com Sun Nov 18 07:36:57 2007 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:36:57 EST Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM Message-ID: In a message dated 11/18/2007 9:34:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: I am probably somewhere in between Dave and Craig and have not gotten mine yet either. Go figure! Maybe there are being mailed out in alphabetical order of last name. Perhaps you should find out if the person who delivers your mail reviews your copy for a few days before stuffing your mail box. Tom ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 18 07:54:47 2007 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:54:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM References: <001301c828a9$057cd3f0$f9b16d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <473E2C5A.8090005@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001101c829fb$58a704d0$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> Tommy I gave up the first class years ago, my buddy lived within 10 miles of me and would get his about the same time by regular mail. Got mine Saturday by the way. Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM > Craig, > If you got yours last week, I've got to file a complaint with > someone. I've been a first class mail subscriber to GEM for probably 25 > years. Now I find out it gets to Dave, 500 miles further to travel by > mail, before it gets to me and it gets to you, 3500 miles further than > Dave, than it gets to him........ wow. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > craig morrison wrote: > > >Hi Guys, > > > > What took so long for you to get your copy of GEM mine arrived last Saturday, sure is along way for it to go accross the pond. > > Dave I whole heartidly agree with you about Christian lets hope he keeps up the good work. > > > >Craig in Scotland > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 18 10:29:00 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:29:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM Message-ID: <20071118.102901.1940.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> I got mine yesterday. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:26:12 EST Germoamer at aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 11/16/2007 6:54:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > > Now I find out it gets to Dave, 500 miles further to travel by > mail, before it gets to me and it gets to you, 3500 miles further > than > Dave, than it gets to him........ wow. > > Tommy, > > I am probably somewhere in between Dave and Craig and have not > gotten mine > yet either. Go figure! Maybe there are being mailed out in > alphabetical order > of last name. > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 18 11:30:50 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:30:50 EST Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM Message-ID: In a message dated 11/18/2007 10:44:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, MBellar at aol.com writes: Perhaps you should find out if the person who delivers your mail reviews your copy for a few days before stuffing your mail box. Living in rural America where we just got 911 addresses last year, I suppose I should feel fortunate I get any mail at all! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun Nov 18 12:15:25 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:15:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dorcet show engine video In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711171537u2097990ey33afce8eee50ee2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711171537u2097990ey33afce8eee50ee2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47409D5D.9090307@xplornet.com> Hi Guys, I just posted a video to of one of the many very nice engines that were at the show. Thought I would share it. Be aware the file is 18mb. Hope you enjoy it. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 18 14:09:21 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:09:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EUREKA - Semi-OT Message-ID: <1195423761.4740b81102051@webmail.city-net.com> Folks, If you ever do much searching on eBay for engines, parts, etc. I'm sure you've run into the gross keyword spammers who end up with hundreds of their auctions in your search result. What that usually means is going over their auction description to see if you can find common keywords that will let you screen out their auctions. Clearly a pain in the ass and a waste of time. No more! I found out how to screen out ALL auctions from a given seller. When you use the Advanced Search, scroll down to From Sellers, select From Specific Sellers, and select Exclude. You can then list up to 10 sellers to exclude from that search result! In my case today, I was searching for Power Hacksaws, and ended up with HUNDREDS of auctions for cheap Chinese tools. After excluding that seller I had a couple of dozen relevant auctions. MUCH better! 8-)))) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From milo at hughes.net Sun Nov 18 14:42:56 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:42:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EUREKA - Semi-OT In-Reply-To: <1195423761.4740b81102051@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1195423761.4740b81102051@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000001c82a34$630b9ab0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Thanks for search tip Arnie. I'll put it to good use. Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com >Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:09 PM >To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine >Subject: [SEL] EUREKA - Semi-OT > >Folks, > >If you ever do much searching on eBay for engines, parts, etc. I'm sure >you've >run into the gross keyword spammers who end up with hundreds of their >auctions >in your search result. What that usually means is going over their auction >description to see if you can find common keywords that will let you screen >out >their auctions. Clearly a pain in the ass and a waste of time. > >No more! > >I found out how to screen out ALL auctions from a given seller. > >When you use the Advanced Search, scroll down to From Sellers, select From >Specific Sellers, and select Exclude. You can then list up to 10 sellers >to >exclude from that search result! > >In my case today, I was searching for Power Hacksaws, and ended up with >HUNDREDS >of auctions for cheap Chinese tools. After excluding that seller I had a >couple of dozen relevant auctions. MUCH better! 8-)))) > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 >2:55 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 18 15:25:01 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:25:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another R&V Message-ID: <20071118232458.UBJU3616.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I drove 2000km on the weekend to pick up this little beauty: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110017.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110019.JPG It is a BL 2hp R&V and should not take too much to get running :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 18 16:59:34 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:59:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EUREKA - Semi-OT In-Reply-To: <1195423761.4740b81102051@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1195423761.4740b81102051@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <97AC955F-6B9D-4510-9E71-7FC92DC4EE57@alltel.net> Thanks Arnie a search "blower" over the years has let to some interesting results. I'll follow your advice from ow on! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 18, 2007, at 5:09 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Folks, > > If you ever do much searching on eBay for engines, parts, etc. I'm > sure you've > run into the gross keyword spammers who end up with hundreds of > their auctions > in your search result. What that usually means is going over their > auction > description to see if you can find common keywords that will let > you screen out > their auctions. Clearly a pain in the ass and a waste of time. > > No more! > > I found out how to screen out ALL auctions from a given seller. > > When you use the Advanced Search, scroll down to From Sellers, > select From > Specific Sellers, and select Exclude. You can then list up to 10 > sellers to > exclude from that search result! > > In my case today, I was searching for Power Hacksaws, and ended up > with HUNDREDS > of auctions for cheap Chinese tools. After excluding that seller I > had a > couple of dozen relevant auctions. MUCH better! 8-)))) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 18 17:02:58 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:02:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another R&V In-Reply-To: <20071118232458.UBJU3616.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071118232458.UBJU3616.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: WOW Patrick! In what part of OZ was this engine built? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 18, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I drove 2000km on the weekend to pick up this little beauty: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110017.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110019.JPG > > It is a BL 2hp R&V and should not take too much to get running :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 18 17:27:08 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:27:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another R&V In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071119012705.VYUK12832.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> East Moline, Illinois is a small locality near Melbourne. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- WOW Patrick! In what part of OZ was this engine built? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 18, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I drove 2000km on the weekend to pick up this little beauty: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110017.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110019.JPG > > It is a BL 2hp R&V and should not take too much to get running :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 18 17:44:50 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:44:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another R&V In-Reply-To: <20071119012705.VYUK12832.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071119012705.VYUK12832.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <805A2B67-7F5A-41EA-B9A8-2F53614B68AF@alltel.net> Is that why some in OZ believe that they should not be exported? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > East Moline, Illinois is a small locality near Melbourne. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > -----Original Message----- > > > WOW Patrick! In what part of OZ was this engine built? > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Nov 18, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> I drove 2000km on the weekend to pick up this little beauty: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110017.JPG >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110019.JPG >> >> It is a BL 2hp R&V and should not take too much to get running :) >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 18 18:39:38 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:39:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another R&V References: <20071119012705.VYUK12832.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <805A2B67-7F5A-41EA-B9A8-2F53614B68AF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001c01c82a55$6efe5e90$78c7ecdc@Edd> I have a 40 foot container leaving LA for Australia mid December Dave,will give you the contact # so you can deliver the Austral for repatriation to where it belongs.(HE HE) EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another R&V > Is that why some in OZ believe that they should not be exported? > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> East Moline, Illinois is a small locality near Melbourne. >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> WOW Patrick! In what part of OZ was this engine built? >> Dave >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Nov 18, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> >>> I drove 2000km on the weekend to pick up this little beauty: >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110017.JPG >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110019.JPG >>> >>> It is a BL 2hp R&V and should not take too much to get running :) >>> >>> Patrick M Livingstone >>> Leichhardt NSW >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Nov 19 00:16:51 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:16:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another R&V References: <20071118232458.UBJU3616.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001501c82a84$89e5d650$0601a8c0@altech> Is the serial number BL33897??? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >I drove 2000km on the weekend to pick up this little beauty: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110017.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110019.JPG > > It is a BL 2hp R&V and should not take too much to get running :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Mon Nov 19 04:17:52 2007 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:17:52 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM References: <00cc01c8297f$59e90d10$f1d84c0c@D48VHZ61> <473F9AB4.402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <01fe01c82aa6$35700290$f301a8c0@armstrong> how much will the gem magazine cost Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM > Yeah I see why Dave liked it so much. It could have been titled > "Rotigel's GEM Review" rather than just old GEM. Good article Dave. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > John Hall wrote: > >>I couldn't tell if I was reading GEM or a mountain of list emails! Quite a >>bit of familiar names in this issue. >> >>John Hall >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 19 05:46:11 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:46:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <01fe01c82aa6$35700290$f301a8c0@armstrong> References: <00cc01c8297f$59e90d10$f1d84c0c@D48VHZ61> <473F9AB4.402@scrtc.com> <01fe01c82aa6$35700290$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <474193A3.4010602@scrtc.com> Kevin, Go to www.gasenginemagazine.com and you can find all the subscription info. Our local Tractor Supply Company carries the magazine and I know of a friend or two that used to be subscribers that now pick a copy up there rather than through the mail. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >how much will the gem magazine cost > >Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong >Collectors of old things >Perth >WA >Australia >Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member >V.C.C. of WA. member >k_armstrong at arach.net.au >www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong > > > From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Mon Nov 19 14:20:58 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:20:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&T - NRA In-Reply-To: <82D8FEFEEA624AC6869FA3A29F67D596@KerryPC> References: <3.0.3.32.20071114221128.022207fc@mail.accnorwalk.com> <82D8FEFEEA624AC6869FA3A29F67D596@KerryPC> Message-ID: <002401c82afa$79b03200$6d109600$@net.au> Kerry The one I had was Brunswick green. I have seen them in other colours, depending on who used them for what. I do have a manual for one. Could easily copy and send. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2007 8:16 To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] R&T - NRA One for the Aussies Been asked for help from a TAFE for an engine they are restoring "Ronaldson bros. & Tippett 7hp Engine No 74219 type NRA, Particularly interested in colour specification" The engine dates at 1954, does anyone know of the correct colour Thanks Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From milo at hughes.net Mon Nov 19 18:27:54 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:27:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Russell Road Patrol #3 Message-ID: <000c01c82b1c$fb30fef0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Posted in another forum (Yesterday's Tractor), but so far no replies. Thought I'd try here, as ya'll are so helpful. I am looking for any resources on this machine. I will most likely be the proud owner / restorer, sometime this coming December. It has a (stuck) 10-20 McCormick-Deering engine for power. Circa 1926-28. So far the only info I have is a book "Russell Graders Photo Archives" purchased off "E-Bay". (alas, no color pictures). Any help much appreciated. Peace Milo Milo Holroyd Kalamazoo, Michigan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Nov 19 19:03:46 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:03:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Russell Road Patrol #3 References: <000c01c82b1c$fb30fef0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Sounds great! I would join the AT and Farmall lists though. IH tractors and power units were in a lot of equipment that they did not completely manufacture. Engine parts should be relatively easy to get assuming it is the same as the farm tractors, try Rice Equip. and the Fordson House. Jensales and Binder Books would be a good place to check on manuals. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milo" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Russell Road Patrol #3 > Posted in another forum (Yesterday's Tractor), but so far no replies. > Thought I'd try here, as ya'll are so helpful. > > I am looking for any resources on this machine. > > I will most likely be the proud owner / restorer, sometime this coming > December. > > It has a (stuck) 10-20 McCormick-Deering engine for power. > Circa 1926-28. > > So far the only info I have is a book "Russell Graders Photo Archives" > purchased off "E-Bay". (alas, no color pictures). > > Any help much appreciated. > > Peace > Milo > > Milo Holroyd > Kalamazoo, Michigan > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: > 11/17/2007 > 2:55 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From milo at hughes.net Tue Nov 20 09:38:37 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:38:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Russell Road Patrol #3 In-Reply-To: <00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <000c01c82b1c$fb30fef0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <000301c82b9c$6b1acc30$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Thanks for the reply John. I am really looking forward to bringing this old iron to life. Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:04 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Russell Road Patrol #3 > >Sounds great! I would join the AT and Farmall lists though. > > IH tractors and power units were in a lot of equipment that they did not >completely manufacture. > >Engine parts should be relatively easy to get assuming it is the same as >the >farm tractors, try Rice Equip. and the Fordson House. > >Jensales and Binder Books would be a good place to check on manuals. > >John Hall > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Milo" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:27 PM >Subject: [SEL] Russell Road Patrol #3 > > >> Posted in another forum (Yesterday's Tractor), but so far no replies. >> Thought I'd try here, as ya'll are so helpful. >> >> I am looking for any resources on this machine. >> >> I will most likely be the proud owner / restorer, sometime this coming >> December. >> >> It has a (stuck) 10-20 McCormick-Deering engine for power. >> Circa 1926-28. >> >> So far the only info I have is a book "Russell Graders Photo Archives" >> purchased off "E-Bay". (alas, no color pictures). >> >> Any help much appreciated. >> >> Peace >> Milo >> >> Milo Holroyd >> Kalamazoo, Michigan >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: >> 11/17/2007 >> 2:55 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 >2:55 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 20 17:22:32 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:22:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD Message-ID: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Has anyone bought the 4 disc set of GEM on CD? I was wondering how the quality of the older magazines are, especially the photos. I have all the GEM's from about '84 till now. I suspicion some of the first copies would have good recovery and restoration stories. Any comments? John Hall From blcksmth at wcnet.org Tue Nov 20 17:31:29 2007 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:31:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD In-Reply-To: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <000301c82bde$4040c5e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> I tried earlier today, but the web site still shows the original price, not the sale price as shown in the magazines. I am waiting for a reply to my e-mail if the online price is the same as the printed price. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:23 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD Has anyone bought the 4 disc set of GEM on CD? I was wondering how the quality of the older magazines are, especially the photos. I have all the GEM's from about '84 till now. I suspicion some of the first copies would have good recovery and restoration stories. Any comments? John Hall _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 20 17:44:57 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:44:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD References: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> <000301c82bde$4040c5e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> Message-ID: <009101c82be0$2032d4d0$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> The back cover has it for $24.95. I believe there are 3 different prices in the current issue. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Willman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] GEM on CD > I tried earlier today, but the web site still shows the original > price, not the sale price as shown in the magazines. I am waiting for a > reply to my e-mail if the online price is the same as the printed price. > > > Bob Willman > Bowling Green, Ohio > The Eagle's Anvil > WB8NQW > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:23 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD > > Has anyone bought the 4 disc set of GEM on CD? I was wondering how the > quality of the older magazines are, especially the photos. I have all the > GEM's from about '84 till now. I suspicion some of the first copies would > have good recovery and restoration stories. > > Any comments? > > John Hall > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 20 17:52:34 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:52:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD In-Reply-To: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: Yeah, it's a really nice arrangement. Everyone who ever has reason to crack open the BYB can benefit from a copy of GEM on disc. I've copied all the discs to my hard drive, so I don't have to futz around with discs. To browse or search, I open up that particular folder, and it behaves as if I had that disc stuffed into my DVD drive bay. One weakness is that it should be possible to copy all the CD's to one directory on your hard drive, then do ONE search across all the volumes. I can't figure out how to do this. Even so, you NEED to get the set. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Nov 20, 2007, at 5:22 PM, John Hall wrote: > Has anyone bought the 4 disc set of GEM on CD? I was wondering how the > quality of the older magazines are, especially the photos. I have > all the > GEM's from about '84 till now. I suspicion some of the first copies > would > have good recovery and restoration stories. From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed Nov 21 14:29:58 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:29:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT- Massey-Harris parts wanted In-Reply-To: <00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <000c01c82b1c$fb30fef0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <4744B166.8090001@xplornet.com> Hello Group, Sorry for posting this here but I'm sure many of you are knowledgeable on tractors too. My bother-in-Law is looking for a manifold for a Massey-Harris tractor. The M-H 555 has the same engine. The engine is a J382 Continental. The casting number is J382608. He would appreciate any leads to obtaining a new or used one. A used one preferred. A Canadian source is the best but we will be happy to hear of any source. Thanks in advance. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From skipl130 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 15:49:52 2007 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:49:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT- Massey-Harris parts wanted In-Reply-To: <4744B166.8090001@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <146736.15695.qm@web35312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> rupert, contact me off list. skip Rupert wrote: Hello Group, Sorry for posting this here but I'm sure many of you are knowledgeable on tractors too. My bother-in-Law is looking for a manifold for a Massey-Harris tractor. The M-H 555 has the same engine. The engine is a J382 Continental. The casting number is J382608. He would appreciate any leads to obtaining a new or used one. A used one preferred. A Canadian source is the best but we will be happy to hear of any source. Thanks in advance. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Nov 21 19:08:30 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:08:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Message-ID: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> On the way home from picking up the R&V on the weekend we called in to the rally at Taralga. Some pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar071.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 21 19:54:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:54:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <2A59CF13-B031-436D-9C9C-CC08362242BD@alltel.net> Hi Patrick, Nice set of pictures! I notice that the Allen had a flame on the bulb, but appeared to be running at a pretty good clip. Is that typical of an Allen engine, or simply that the engine was under no great load? Was that engine about 6 HP? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 21, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > On the way home from picking up the R&V on the weekend we called in > to the > rally at Taralga. Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar071.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 21 22:26:58 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:26:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, You blokes sure have a lot of "A" Class engines at your shows. My favorite is the Meadowbank. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Nov 21, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > On the way home from picking up the R&V on the weekend we called in > to the > rally at Taralga. Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar071.html From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 21 22:32:51 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:32:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <2A59CF13-B031-436D-9C9C-CC08362242BD@alltel.net> References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2A59CF13-B031-436D-9C9C-CC08362242BD@alltel.net> Message-ID: <8BB8F94C-3BDE-491E-B8E7-4B828446D6D4@rustyiron.com> On Nov 21, 2007, at 7:54 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Patrick, > Nice set of pictures! I notice that the Allen had a flame on the > bulb, but appeared to be running at a pretty good clip. Is that > typical of an Allen engine, or simply that the engine was under no > great load? Was that engine about 6 HP? > Dave > Hi Dave, Although this doesn't exactly answer your question, perhaps it will be of help. Allan Brothers made the earlier "continuous lamp" engine, then later made their "lamp start" engine. If you need me to explain the difference, let me know. The continuous lamp had a characteristic "cake pan" air inlet. The lamp start engine has a more traditional "Hornsby-shaped" vaporizer and the unique "donut-shaped" air inlet, although it is missing on the engine pictured. Rob From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Nov 21 23:09:06 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:09:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Message-ID: <20071121.230906.1940.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> My favorite is the Tangye. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tar07/07110072.JPG But I wouldn't turn down the Meadowbank. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:26:58 -0800 Rob Skinner writes: > Hi Patrick, > You blokes sure have a lot of "A" Class engines at your shows. My > > favorite is the Meadowbank. > > > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 01:55:15 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:55:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD In-Reply-To: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <6f6025160711220155r55f3ef52n1cb3c207f24c1f69@mail.gmail.com> On 21/11/2007, John Hall wrote: > Has anyone bought the 4 disc set of GEM on CD? I was wondering how the > quality of the older magazines are, especially the photos. I have all the > GEM's from about '84 till now. I suspicion some of the first copies would > have good recovery and restoration stories. > > Any comments? > > John Hall > We bought the set last year or the year before, can't remember which :-)) Fine for the basics, but the search function isn't too good. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 22 03:58:41 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:58:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2A59CF13-B031-436D-9C9C-CC08362242BD@alltel.net> Message-ID: <002401c82cff$07b05b60$97b5ecdc@Edd> The Allen is a 3 1/2 HP lamp start.It did run for a considerable length of time without the lamp.It was driving a small water pump to give it some load. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga > Hi Patrick, > Nice set of pictures! I notice that the Allen had a flame on the > bulb, but appeared to be running at a pretty good clip. Is that > typical of an Allen engine, or simply that the engine was under no > great load? Was that engine about 6 HP? > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Nov 21, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> On the way home from picking up the R&V on the weekend we called in >> to the >> rally at Taralga. Some pics at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar071.html >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Nov 22 05:20:18 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:20:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD Message-ID: <112220071320.4773.47458212000A180B000012A5219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Peter, Yes I purchased a set this past summer and finally got around to viewing recently. Of course the early discs are B&W and the pics are not too bad. They have most of the orginal articles which gives you plenty of hours of reading time if you like. Wish I would of waited until now to get them as the price is reduced but it was money well spent and now maybe I can unload the orginal magazines and free up some space around the house. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Listerdiesel To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] GEM on CD Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:08:54 +0000 > On 21/11/2007, John Hall wrote: > > Has anyone bought the 4 disc set of GEM on CD? I was wondering how the > > quality of the older magazines are, especially the photos. I have all the > > GEM's from about '84 till now. I suspicion some of the first copies would > > have good recovery and restoration stories. > > > > Any comments? > > > > John Hall > > > > We bought the set last year or the year before, can't remember which :-)) > > Fine for the basics, but the search function isn't too good. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 22 07:41:51 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:41:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <8BB8F94C-3BDE-491E-B8E7-4B828446D6D4@rustyiron.com> References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2A59CF13-B031-436D-9C9C-CC08362242BD@alltel.net> <8BB8F94C-3BDE-491E-B8E7-4B828446D6D4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, > Hi Dave, > Although this doesn't exactly answer your question, perhaps it will be > of help. Allan Brothers made the earlier "continuous lamp" engine, > then later made their "lamp start" engine. If you need me to explain > the difference, let me know. Thanks, but I asked Jennie and she said that the "continuous lamp" engine had the lamp on all the time it was running, where as the "lamp start" engine used the lamp only for starting and then the lamp was turned off. I think I understand now. > > Rob Dave PS. It seemed to make sense the way Jennie explained it! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 22 08:08:35 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:08:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Update on Bill Miller Message-ID: <00fb01c82d21$f0559390$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I just got off of the telephone with Bill's wife and she said Bill is not any better. He now cannot talk as the tumor, according to another M.R.I., has grown in his head even more. It looks like, unless the Good Lord intercedes, our friend and engine buddy will be leaving this World very soon. Please remember him, and his family, in your prayers today as you give the Lord thanks for all that He has done for you. I wish each and everyone of you a very Happy Thanksgiving, enjoy the time with your family and don't forget to tell them that you love them. Paul From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 22 08:21:16 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:21:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <1195748476.4745ac7c0fe08@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, I really took a fancy to two of the engines; the Wombat and the Meadowbank. Are they as rare as I think they are? I don't think I've heard of either one before. Both are pretty neat. Thanks for posting the show pics. See ya, Arnie Quoting Patrick M Livingstone : > On the way home from picking up the R&V on the weekend we called in to the > rally at Taralga. Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar071.html From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Nov 22 08:37:05 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:37:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Update on Bill Miller In-Reply-To: <00fb01c82d21$f0559390$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00fb01c82d21$f0559390$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <4745B031.7020205@scrtc.com> Thanks for the update Paul. We'll be saying some prayers for him and his loved ones. While I didn't know Bill well, we did converse from time to time and met up at a few shows and enjoyed each others company. God bless him and his family. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Paul Maples wrote: >Folks I just got off of the telephone with Bill's wife and she said Bill is not any better. He now cannot talk as the tumor, according to another M.R.I., has grown in his head even more. It looks like, unless the Good Lord intercedes, our friend and engine buddy will be leaving this World very soon. > >Please remember him, and his family, in your prayers today as you give the Lord thanks for all that He has done for you. > >I wish each and everyone of you a very Happy Thanksgiving, enjoy the time with your family and don't forget to tell them that you love them. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From yostsw at atis.net Thu Nov 22 08:49:50 2007 From: yostsw at atis.net (yostsw at atis.net) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:49:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <00fb01c82d21$f0559390$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00fb01c82d21$f0559390$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <2044.71.74.28.53.1195750190.squirrel@secure.atis.net> Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on the ATIS Lists. Hope its safe, happy, and full of family and warmth. Since Thanksgiving is early this year. I'll be starting the auction next week(actually I hope to finish the work Sunday). Just wanted to let you know since I start it right before Thanksgiving usually. Get your donations ready! Happy Thanksgiving! Spencer From cjclem at sysim.net Thu Nov 22 09:02:16 2007 From: cjclem at sysim.net (cjclem at sysim.net) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:02:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally Pic's Message-ID: <20071122120216.gvxh7bzhcgk8sws8@s17.sysim.com> Thanks for posting. A question, would the Meadowbrook be a "reverse rotation" engine compared to Wombat as the curved spokes are reversed?? From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 22 09:13:14 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:13:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Update on Bill Miller References: <00fb01c82d21$f0559390$240110ac@FAMILY> <4745B031.7020205@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <014301c82d2a$f8497860$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Tommy, I know Bill and his family will appreciate your thoughts and prayers. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on Bill Miller > Thanks for the update Paul. We'll be saying some prayers for him and > his loved ones. While I didn't know Bill well, we did converse from > time to time and met up at a few shows and enjoyed each others company. > God bless him and his family. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Paul Maples wrote: > >>Folks I just got off of the telephone with Bill's wife and she said Bill >>is not any better. He now cannot talk as the tumor, according to another >>M.R.I., has grown in his head even more. It looks like, unless the Good >>Lord intercedes, our friend and engine buddy will be leaving this World >>very soon. >> >>Please remember him, and his family, in your prayers today as you give >>the Lord thanks for all that He has done for you. >> >>I wish each and everyone of you a very Happy Thanksgiving, enjoy the time >>with your family and don't forget to tell them that you love them. >> >>Paul >>_______________________________________________ >> From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 22 09:57:19 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:57:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2A59CF13-B031-436D-9C9C-CC08362242BD@alltel.net> <8BB8F94C-3BDE-491E-B8E7-4B828446D6D4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: On Nov 22, 2007, at 7:41 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > PS. It seemed to make sense the way Jennie explained it! > You're a lucky man. I still don't understand why she keeps you around. Rob From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 22 11:25:29 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:25:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <1195748476.4745ac7c0fe08@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <1195748476.4745ac7c0fe08@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: G'Day Arnie The wombat is rare 8-)) its a model but a very good one and the builder has only built about 6 but has a few on order. The Meadowbank is rare in the real sense but I don't know how many they made, looks unusual with 4 spokes Kerry ----- Original Message ----- > > I really took a fancy to two of the engines; the Wombat and the > Meadowbank. > Are they as rare as I think they are? I don't think I've heard of either > one > before. Both are pretty neat. Thanks for posting the show pics. > > See ya, Arnie > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 22 11:41:19 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:41:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <1195748476.4745ac7c0fe08@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20071122194111.GZFY12231.oaamta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Arnie, As Kerry said, the Wombat is a model. The Meadowbank is a copy of the Scottish Melvin engine and was made (funnily enough) in Meadowbank, Sydney. They are quite a rare engine. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- G'day Patrick, I really took a fancy to two of the engines; the Wombat and the Meadowbank. Are they as rare as I think they are? I don't think I've heard of either one before. Both are pretty neat. Thanks for posting the show pics. See ya, Arnie Quoting Patrick M Livingstone : > On the way home from picking up the R&V on the weekend we called in to the > rally at Taralga. Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar071.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Nov 22 18:01:17 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:01:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD References: <112220071320.4773.47458212000A180B000012A5219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <004401c82d74$bcf75080$21d24c0c@D48VHZ61> OK, sounds like a good buy. I'll talk to "Santa" and see if I can get them instead of a lump of coal in my stocking. John From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 23 07:23:47 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:23:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims Message-ID: Well, the hogfest is over, little snow on the ground, 8 above zero and life is good in the Big Sky. Old iron is on hold as shed is getting a complete makeover...there's a floor there somewhere . Been toying with the idea of making my own laminated shims out of...well you guessed it. I'm thinking around .032" or something thin enough to cut and punch. Used some super glue with undesirable results but it was old. Anyone ever played around with this idea and what did you use for glue? As you all might know, laminated shim stock is very pricy. Turkey sandmiches today....Yahoo!!! TIA, RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 23 07:34:34 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:34:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, Why on earth do you want laminated shims? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 23, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Well, the hogfest is over, little snow on the ground, 8 above > zero and > life is good in the Big Sky. Old iron is on hold as shed is getting a > complete makeover...there's a floor there somewhere . > > Been toying with the idea of making my own laminated shims out > of...well > you guessed it. I'm thinking around .032" or something thin enough > to cut > and punch. Used some super glue with undesirable results but it > was old. > Anyone ever played around with this idea and what did you use for > glue? As > you all might know, laminated shim stock is very pricy. > > Turkey sandmiches today....Yahoo!!! > > TIA, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 23 07:44:13 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:44:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims References: Message-ID: Dave, I feel they are a lot friendlier to use and down the road removing say a .003 laminate would be easy. I also like the idea of having two small tit's on each end of the shim as it keeps the stackup properly aligned. > Hi Rick, Why on earth do you want laminated shims? > Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 23 08:17:13 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:17:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0305A44B-F689-4030-901D-6C7DD8E09680@alltel.net> I see. I figure that 69 years from now (when .003 needs to be removed from the mains on my 16 HP Galloway) it will be SEP! Dave PS, You need to spend more time MAKING shim stock and less time WORRYING about .003! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 23, 2007, at 10:44 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Dave, I feel they are a lot friendlier to use and down the road > removing say > a .003 laminate would be easy. I also like the idea of having two > small > tit's on each end of the shim as it keeps the stackup properly > aligned. > > >> Hi Rick, Why on earth do you want laminated shims? >> Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Fri Nov 23 08:19:56 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:19:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4746FDAC.4080301@xplornet.com> Hello Rick, We had to make our own when I was in trade school years ago for babbetted rod bearings. I believe the shim stack is soldered along the journal edge of the shim. It's been along time but I think the total stack we used for each side was about 1/8" with the majority of the shims made from shim stock under .005". The thinest being 0.001". Rupert Richard Strobel wrote: > Well, the hogfest is over, little snow on the ground, 8 above zero and > life is good in the Big Sky. Old iron is on hold as shed is getting a > complete makeover...there's a floor there somewhere . > > Been toying with the idea of making my own laminated shims out of...well > you guessed it. I'm thinking around .032" or something thin enough to cut > and punch. Used some super glue with undesirable results but it was old. > Anyone ever played around with this idea and what did you use for glue? As > you all might know, laminated shim stock is very pricy. > > Turkey sandmiches today....Yahoo!!! > > TIA, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Nov 23 11:09:51 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:09:51 EST Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims Message-ID: In a message dated 11/23/2007 10:54:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: I feel they are a lot friendlier to use and down the road removing say a .003 laminate would be easy. Rick, Use dense posterboard/cardboard(like the back of a tablet). It is laminated and can be split apart when needed. If you want, glue the stacked pieces together with Elmers. I have a bunch of it that came in x-ray film that works great. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Nov 23 12:22:13 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:22:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims References: Message-ID: <002a01c82e0e$8c7496d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Tell the truth. You KNOW you are looking for a reason to have all that beer hidden in your shed! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Laminated shims > Dave, I feel they are a lot friendlier to use and down the road removing > say a .003 laminate would be easy. I also like the idea of having two > small tit's on each end of the shim as it keeps the stackup properly > aligned. > > >> Hi Rick, Why on earth do you want laminated shims? >> Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Fri Nov 23 13:01:51 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:01:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines Message-ID: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Here is a picture taken in July 2007, only seconds before I became the owner of a 5hp and a 7hp Stickney engine: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/lanarkauc.jpg Once I got home with them I started researching the C.A. Stickney Company and their engines and to my surprise there was very little information on the web about these fine machines so I decided to start a registry of Stickney engines and along the way was able to put together quite a bit on info on Stickney engines: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/000index.html If someone here has anything "Stickney" to add I will gladly like to here from you. Thanks! Denis Rouleau From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Nov 23 12:34:10 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:34:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071123221626.00b8d460@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, When does the Christmas Charity Auction get started? It was great fun last year and I've got a few bits to offer again. On that subject, one gentleman has still not sent me the details of the engine plates he won (and paid Spencer for) on last years auction :-) !! No names will be mentioned but I judge that he should be able to send me the details soon :-) No problem, there was not a time limit but I'm 58 years old and we do not have forever!! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 14:40:05 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:40:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071123221626.00b8d460@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <275660.91708.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry, You must have missed Spencer's post yesterday. Here is a copy of it. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on the ATIS Lists. Hope its safe, happy, and full of family and warmth. Since Thanksgiving is early this year. I'll be starting the auction next week(actually I hope to finish the work Sunday). Just wanted to let you know since I start it right before Thanksgiving usually. Get your donations ready! Happy Thanksgiving! Spencer Jerry Evans wrote: Hi Guys, When does the Christmas Charity Auction get started? It was great fun last year and I've got a few bits to offer again. On that subject, one gentleman has still not sent me the details of the engine plates he won (and paid Spencer for) on last years auction :-) !! No names will be mentioned but I judge that he should be able to send me the details soon :-) No problem, there was not a time limit but I'm 58 years old and we do not have forever!! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Nov 24 07:43:31 2007 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:43:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines In-Reply-To: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: HI Dennis, Thanks for all the Stickney info. I had gone to the computer just now to ask for help on mine. I started stripping the bad paint job off my 3 hp and underneath I found what I thought might be the original paint but it was red and I'd only seen blue Stickneys. Now looking at your pictures there are several red ones there. What is the story on red vs blue stickneys? I'm going to leave mine original red if that is really a stickney color. Thanks Steve> From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:01:51 -0500> Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines> > Here is a picture taken in July 2007, only seconds before I became the owner of a 5hp and a 7hp Stickney engine: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/lanarkauc.jpg > > Once I got home with them I started researching the C.A. Stickney Company and their engines and to my surprise> there was very little information on the web about these fine machines so I decided to start a registry of Stickney> engines and along the way was able to put together quite a bit on info on Stickney engines:> http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/000index.html > > If someone here has anything "Stickney" to add I will gladly like to here from you. Thanks!> Denis Rouleau> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.? Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Nov 24 08:36:32 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:36:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines References: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <001901c82eb8$2c260b10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Hi Steve, I was not able to find out the reason why about 10% of Stickney engines were sold in another color than the usual dark blue. Seems that some of the red Stickneys have the "OWE&PCo." name plate but not all. I've also seen a few Stickneys with original grey paint and even a couple of them with original green paint. What is the serial number on your engine and is it gravity or fuel pump feed? Denis Rouleau HI Dennis, Thanks for all the Stickney info. I had gone to the computer just now to ask for help on mine. I started stripping the bad paint job off my 3 hp and underneath I found what I thought might be the original paint but it was red and I'd only seen blue Stickneys. Now looking at your pictures there are several red ones there. What is the story on red vs blue stickneys? I'm going to leave mine original red if that is really a stickney color. Thanks Steve> From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca> From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 24 10:22:11 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:22:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines In-Reply-To: <001901c82eb8$2c260b10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <001901c82eb8$2c260b10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <47486BD3.6000800@scrtc.com> Denis, My 1 1/2 HP Stickney is gray, with some original paint still showing. The Stickney Jr.I've got was red and it still has some original paint on it as well. I had a 3 HP here that was grey and a 7 that was blue. I had an Ont. Wind Engine and Pump Co. Stickney that I got in Canada that was red. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Denis Rouleau wrote: >Hi Steve, I was not able to find out the reason why about 10% of Stickney engines >were sold in another color than the usual dark blue. Seems that some of the red >Stickneys have the "OWE&PCo." name plate but not all. I've also seen a few >Stickneys with original grey paint and even a couple of them with original green >paint. What is the serial number on your engine and is it gravity or fuel pump feed? >Denis Rouleau > >HI Dennis, Thanks for all the Stickney info. I had gone to the computer just now to ask for help on mine. I started stripping the bad paint job off my 3 hp and underneath I found what I thought might be the original paint but it was red and I'd only seen blue Stickneys. Now looking at your pictures there are several red ones there. What is the story on red vs blue stickneys? I'm going to leave mine original red if that is really a stickney color. Thanks Steve> From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Nov 24 13:31:52 2007 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:31:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines In-Reply-To: <001901c82eb8$2c260b10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <001901c82eb8$2c260b10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: HI Dennis, it is ser#21651 and it is a fuel pump model. I'll send pics when I get it together again. Steve> From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:36:32 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Stickney Engines> > Hi Steve, I was not able to find out the reason why about 10% of Stickney engines> were sold in another color than the usual dark blue. Seems that some of the red> Stickneys have the "OWE&PCo." name plate but not all. I've also seen a few> Stickneys with original grey paint and even a couple of them with original green> paint. What is the serial number on your engine and is it gravity or fuel pump feed?> Denis Rouleau> > HI Dennis, Thanks for all the Stickney info. I had gone to the computer just now to ask for help on mine. I started stripping the bad paint job off my 3 hp and underneath I found what I thought might be the original paint but it was red and I'd only seen blue Stickneys. Now looking at your pictures there are several red ones there. What is the story on red vs blue stickneys? I'm going to leave mine original red if that is really a stickney color. Thanks Steve> From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca>> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 24 15:03:12 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:03:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Winter Project (cheap) Message-ID: <1195945392.4748adb0b5fd9@webmail.city-net.com> 1920's one lunger motor http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=110198029391 From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Nov 24 15:06:03 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:06:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines References: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <001901c82eb8$2c260b10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <000901c82eee$960d5750$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Thanks Steve, your Stickney has made it to the registry! You might already know that it was built in 1913. Denis Rouleau From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Nov 24 15:13:12 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:13:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Winter Project (cheap) References: <1195945392.4748adb0b5fd9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001101c82eef$95dbca90$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> What is it? I can't tell from the pictures. Denis <1920's one lunger motor> From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Nov 24 15:19:21 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:19:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Winter Project (cheap) Message-ID: <20071124.151921.2188.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Denis. It looks like a Novo to me. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:13:12 -0500 Denis Rouleau writes: > What is it? I can't tell from the pictures. Denis > <1920's one lunger motor> From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 24 15:20:42 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:20:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? Message-ID: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is very small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 minutes work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually is in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998095 It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998097 As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998096 It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998092 The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998098 These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a 1 gallon Mineral Spirits can: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998103 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998104 To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 24 15:25:21 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:25:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Winter Project (cheap) In-Reply-To: <001101c82eef$95dbca90$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <1195945392.4748adb0b5fd9@webmail.city-net.com> <001101c82eef$95dbca90$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <4748B2E1.309@scrtc.com> Looks like a Novo Jr. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Denis Rouleau wrote: >What is it? I can't tell from the pictures. Denis > <1920's one lunger motor> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Nov 24 15:54:18 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:54:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Winter Project (cheap) References: <1195945392.4748adb0b5fd9@webmail.city-net.com> <001101c82eef$95dbca90$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <012801c82ef5$55236f70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Novo, I think Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Rouleau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting Winter Project (cheap) > What is it? I can't tell from the pictures. Denis > <1920's one lunger motor> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Nov 24 15:59:18 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:59:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> References: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <087F3E69-6901-4892-9366-3483B12F5809@rustyiron.com> Good golly that's a cute engine! Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Nov 24, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. > Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to > one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is > very > small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this > might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to > demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 > minutes > work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think > its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sat Nov 24 16:09:52 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:09:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? References: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002401c82ef7$87715350$97b5ecdc@Edd> That's magnificent Tommy. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. > Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to > one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is very > small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this > might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to > demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 minutes > work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think > its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: > > In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually is > in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998095 > > It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998097 > > As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998096 > > It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998092 > > The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998098 > > These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a 1 > gallon Mineral Spirits can: > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998103 > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998104 > > To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= > > Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 24 16:31:41 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:31:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <002401c82ef7$87715350$97b5ecdc@Edd> References: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> <002401c82ef7$87715350$97b5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <4748C26D.5020206@scrtc.com> Thanks Edd. Yes, it sure is cute. Tommy Edd Payne wrote: >That's magnificent Tommy. >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia >2852 >Phone:0263742387 >edsengns at optusnet.com.au >edsengns >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:20 AM >Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > > > > >>OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. >>Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to >>one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is very >>small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this >>might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to >>demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 minutes >>work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think >>its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: >> >>In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually is >>in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998095 >> >>It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998097 >> >>As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998096 >> >>It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998092 >> >>The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998098 >> >>These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a 1 >>gallon Mineral Spirits can: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998103 >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998104 >> >>To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= >> >>Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sat Nov 24 17:15:26 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:15:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4748C26D.5020206@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003d01c82f00$ab3b39f0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Tommy, it sure looks small compared to what I saw on your trailer; if you decide it's too small you can throw it my way!!!! Really a neat engine! Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? Thanks Edd. Yes, it sure is cute. Tommy Edd Payne wrote: >That's magnificent Tommy. >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia >2852 >Phone:0263742387 >edsengns at optusnet.com.au >edsengns >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:20 AM >Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > > > > >>OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. >>Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to >>one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is very >>small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this >>might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to >>demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 minutes >>work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think >>its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: >> >>In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually is >>in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 095 >> >>It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 097 >> >>As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 096 >> >>It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 092 >> >>The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 098 >> >>These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a 1 >>gallon Mineral Spirits can: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 103 >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 104 >> >>To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= >> >>Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 10:06 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 10:06 AM From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 24 17:49:55 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:49:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <003d01c82f00$ab3b39f0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <003d01c82f00$ab3b39f0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <4748D4C3.9060809@scrtc.com> Hey Lew, I can set this one in the seat beside me! Tommy Lew Best wrote: >Tommy, it sure looks small compared to what I saw on your trailer; if >you decide it's too small you can throw it my way!!!! > >Really a neat engine! > >Lew near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge >Tommy Turner >Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:32 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > >Thanks Edd. Yes, it sure is cute. > >Tommy > > > >Edd Payne wrote: > > > >>That's magnificent Tommy. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; >> >>Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:20 AM >>Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. >>>Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to >>>one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is >>> >>> >very > > >>>small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this >>>might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to >>>demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 >>> >>> >minutes > > >>>work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think >>>its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: >>> >>>In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually >>> >>> >is > > >>>in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: >>> >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >095 > > >>>It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: >>> >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >097 > > >>>As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: >>> >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >096 > > >>>It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: >>> >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >092 > > >>>The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: >>> >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >098 > > >>>These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a >>> >>> >1 > > >>>gallon Mineral Spirits can: >>> >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >103 > > >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >104 > > >>>To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: >>> >>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= >>> >>>Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: >11/24/2007 10:06 AM > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: >11/24/2007 10:06 AM > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sat Nov 24 18:04:33 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:04:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4748D4C3.9060809@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <004401c82f07$882dab30$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Wellllllllllllllll, bring it on down! :) :) :) Lew -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? Hey Lew, I can set this one in the seat beside me! Tommy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 10:06 AM From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Nov 24 18:28:21 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:28:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? References: <003d01c82f00$ab3b39f0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> <4748D4C3.9060809@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <015201c82f0b$3d0ce4a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Now you see where I am at! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > Hey Lew, I can set this one in the seat beside me! > > Tommy > > > > Lew Best wrote: > >>Tommy, it sure looks small compared to what I saw on your trailer; if >>you decide it's too small you can throw it my way!!!! >> >>Really a neat engine! >> >>Lew near Waco, TX >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge >>Tommy Turner >>Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:32 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? >> >>Thanks Edd. Yes, it sure is cute. >> >>Tommy >> >> >> >>Edd Payne wrote: >> >> >> >>>That's magnificent Tommy. >>>EDD PAYNE >>>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>>Australia >>>2852 >>>Phone:0263742387 >>>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>>edsengns >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; >>> >>>Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:20 AM >>>Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. >>>>Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to >>>>one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is >>>> >>>> >>very >> >> >>>>small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this >>>>might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to >>>>demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 >>>> >>>> >>minutes >> >> >>>>work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think >>>>its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: >>>> >>>>In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually >>>> >>>> >>is >> >> >>>>in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>095 >> >> >>>>It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>097 >> >> >>>>As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>096 >> >> >>>>It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>092 >> >> >>>>The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>098 >> >> >>>>These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a >>>> >>>> >>1 >> >> >>>>gallon Mineral Spirits can: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>103 >> >> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>104 >> >> >>>>To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: >>>> >>>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= >>>> >>>>Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? >>>> >>>>Tommy Turner >>>>Magnolia, KY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: >>11/24/2007 10:06 AM >> >> >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: >>11/24/2007 10:06 AM >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From antiquejd at fwi.com Sat Nov 24 18:37:39 2007 From: antiquejd at fwi.com (Michael Ostrander) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:37:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Tommy- I know very little about engines as I have collected primarily tractors. I am learning rapidly though as it seems my 11 year old son has become enamored with gas engines. He has an unrestored Intl 1-1/2, a maytag, and is currently restoring a 1-1/2 hp John Deere. He decided a couple of years ago that he loves the oil field engines down at Portland. He must have just stood still for 45 minutes watching those engines at night with all the pots burning and the engines firing. Its not easy to make an 11 y.o. stand still for 5 minutes so 45 was forever. He was standing beside me tonight looking at the engine and loved it. The mineral spirit can really sized it for him as we used a can just like it yesterday to clean his paint brush after putting the green coat on the flywheels of his E. He has already figured out that Christmas is just around the corner and he thinks an engine like this little Olds is really cool and should be under the tree with his name on it....thanks a lot ;-) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; artbiagi at msn.com Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is very small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 minutes work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually is in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998095 It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998097 As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998096 It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998092 The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998098 These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a 1 gallon Mineral Spirits can: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998103 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998104 To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1148 - Release Date: 11/23/2007 7:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1148 - Release Date: 11/23/2007 7:39 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 24 22:18:41 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:18:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4748D4C3.9060809@scrtc.com> References: <003d01c82f00$ab3b39f0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> <4748D4C3.9060809@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1195971521.474913c1ee318@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, That leads to the question I was gonna ask. About how much does that little cutie weigh? See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Hey Lew, I can set this one in the seat beside me! From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Nov 25 01:33:03 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:33:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200711251138328.SM01884@Laptop.databak.co.za> >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:40:05 -0800 (PST) >From: Alan Bowen >Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction >Hi Jerry, >You must have missed Spencer's post yesterday. >Here is a copy of it. Thanks Alan, Yes, for some reason I did miss it. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 25 02:33:30 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:33:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Video of 1hp R&V Message-ID: <20071125103317.DTUD14529.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> After a little fiddling my newest 1hp R&V is running like a clock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isObdhNljWo Still a little more work to do on the 2hp but it does go :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 25 02:38:15 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:38:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20071125103802.EIEM16971.oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Tommy, That is an interesting little engine. It looks to be in great condition. I have not seen an Olds that small so perhaps it is a salesmans sample or a factory/showroom display piece. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is very small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 minutes work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually is in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 25 06:23:30 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:23:30 EST Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? Message-ID: Tommy, What a great little engine! From the photos is would be a good bet that it is a salesman sample. Would be great to have the Olds and the Callihan beside each other and a great story for GEM write-up. Wonder how many other working salesman samples were made by other companies? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Nov 25 10:48:11 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:48:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071125204503.00b905d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > >OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. >Its in outstanding original condition. Hi Judge, Thats incredible - you are obviously thrilled! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 10:57:49 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:57:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> Tom, I don't know how many companies built salesman sample engines but would guess there were several. Here are the ones I know of as I've seen the samples in person: Olds Callahan Hagan Stickney The Olds, Callahan, and Hagan samples were all running engines. The Stickney was a bit of a cutaway to show how all the parts worked. I'm sure there were many others and I may have seen another make or two but can't think of them right now. I doubt that IHC, Otto or other major manufacturers made samples. Their name and reputation didn't require such promotions. Also, as many IH dealers as there were, I'm sure if samples had been made there would be a few surviving. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >Tommy, > >What a great little engine! From the photos is would be a good bet that it is >a salesman sample. Would be great to have the Olds and the Callihan beside >each other and a great story for GEM write-up. Wonder how many other working >salesman samples were made by other companies? > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >Germoamer at aol.com > > > >**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest >products. >(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sun Nov 25 11:23:58 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:23:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Here is an IHC 1-1/2hp I used to own: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/ihc/page104.html Denis Rouleau I doubt that IHC, Otto or other major manufacturers made samples. Their name and reputation didn't require such promotions. Also, as many IH dealers as there were, I'm sure if samples had been made there would be a few surviving. Tommy Turner From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 11:54:48 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:54:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <4749D308.20705@scrtc.com> Yeah Denis, I've seen a few of the cutaways. I saw a 1 1/2 McCormick (it might be the one you have but I don't remember the bright yellow paint), a 1 1/2 New Way, a 1 1/2 JD and maybe another. All have been regular engines that have had portions cut away to show piston, rod, cylinder, carb, etc. None have been miniature versions of the larger engines made for traveling salesman to take from town to town other than the Stickney that I saw. I wonder how they did your IH cut away? I remember the New Way looked like it had been milled away and the JD looked like it had been sawed. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Denis Rouleau wrote: >Here is an IHC 1-1/2hp I used to own: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/ihc/page104.html >Denis Rouleau > I doubt that IHC, Otto or other major manufacturers made samples. Their name and reputation didn't require > such promotions. Also, as many IH dealers as there were, I'm sure if samples had been made there would > be a few surviving. Tommy Turner > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 25 11:56:10 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:56:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Denis, Is that a factory-built cut-away engine, or one that a collector did? I've seen a number of the collector-built cutaway engines. Most were pretty heavily worn engines and the cutaway was probably the most useful end for them. See ya, Arnie Quoting Denis Rouleau : > Here is an IHC 1-1/2hp I used to own: > http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/ihc/page104.html > Denis Rouleau > > I doubt that IHC, Otto or other major manufacturers made samples. > Their name and reputation didn't require such promotions. > Also, as many IH dealers as there were, I'm sure if samples had > been made there would be a few surviving. > Tommy Turner From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 12:14:26 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:14:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> Arnie, The New Way and JD that I saw were factory I'm pretty sure. The M that I saw was several years ago I don't remember giving it a close look so I couldn't tell about it. The New Way was at Portland about 4 years ago and the JD was at a show out west maybe 8 years ago. You asked earlier how much the little Olds weighed, I would guess about 50 lbs. You can pick it up and move it around fairly easily. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hi Denis, > >Is that a factory-built cut-away engine, or one that a collector did? >I've seen a number of the collector-built cutaway engines. Most were pretty >heavily worn engines and the cutaway was probably the most useful end for >them. > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Denis Rouleau : > > > >>Here is an IHC 1-1/2hp I used to own: >>http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/ihc/page104.html >>Denis Rouleau >> >>I doubt that IHC, Otto or other major manufacturers made samples. >>Their name and reputation didn't require such promotions. >>Also, as many IH dealers as there were, I'm sure if samples had >>been made there would be a few surviving. >>Tommy Turner >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 25 12:31:23 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:31:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Looking for an FM T ignitor Message-ID: <20071125.123123.684.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Does anyone have a current E-mail address for Don Miller. He is the guy that took over for Ted Brookover. This one bounces: bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . And yes Dave, I am sure someone does. But does someone on one of these lists that is willing to respond? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 . From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 25 12:53:38 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:53:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Looking for an FM T ignitor In-Reply-To: <20071125.123123.684.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20071125.123123.684.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:31 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Does anyone have a current E-mail address for Don Miller. He is the > guy > that took over for Ted Brookover. This one bounces: > bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . And yes Dave, I am sure someone does. > But > does someone on one of these lists that is willing to respond? > Thanks. Hi Ron, You might try Jennifer Brookover, who was using Ted's email address: ignitors at sbcglobal.net I'll email you directly with her home phone. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 25 13:01:32 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:01:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1196024492.4749e2ac84214@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, Given that there were fractional horsepower engines built and sold (I'm thinking of the 1/2 hp New Holland and any number of the tiny English engines), is it possible that your baby Olds was a production unit? Is there any sort of tag on the engine? Does anyone have any Olds engine literature that might mention Tommy's baby? See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > You asked > earlier how much the little Olds weighed, I would guess about 50 lbs. > You can pick it up and move it around fairly easily. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 13:23:01 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:23:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <1196024492.4749e2ac84214@webmail.city-net.com> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> <1196024492.4749e2ac84214@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4749E7B5.9030107@scrtc.com> No tag on it Arnie. I doubt this thing would produce 1/2 HP but it might. I've never seen any mention of an engine this small in the Olds literature. Everything I've seen shows the 1 1/2 HP as the smallest Type A. I had one person contact me and say it definately was a Salesman Sample. He said that about 40 years ago he talked to an elderly gent who worked for Olds. The guy told him that when Olds started building the Type A, they made several miniature Type A engines for the salesmen to take around to the dealers and jobbers to show them what the new engines would look like. It was their attempt to ease the transition from one to the other. It makes sense as the Type A's were a radical change from the gearless models that Olds had been making. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hi Tommy, > >Given that there were fractional horsepower engines built and sold (I'm thinking >of the 1/2 hp New Holland and any number of the tiny English engines), is it >possible that your baby Olds was a production unit? Is there any sort of tag >on the engine? Does anyone have any Olds engine literature that might mention >Tommy's baby? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > > > >>You asked >>earlier how much the little Olds weighed, I would guess about 50 lbs. >>You can pick it up and move it around fairly easily. >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Nov 25 13:36:39 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:36:39 EST Subject: [SEL] Looking for an FM T ignitor Message-ID: Ron, Here is Don email address - _bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net) In case you need his phone number - 816-506-7920 Francis Maciel In a message dated 11/25/2007 12:34:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: Does anyone have a current E-mail address for Don Miller. He is the guy that took over for Ted Brookover. This one bounces: bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . And yes Dave, I am sure someone does. But does someone on one of these lists that is willing to respond? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 . _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sun Nov 25 14:48:59 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:48:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <002201c82fb5$5e7bb210$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Arnie, mine was cut at the factory. It even came with a NOS Wico mag ! Denis <> From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 15:06:19 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:06:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Phoenix Trip Pictures Message-ID: <6f6025160711251506s4d1a59c2l690243b1f4b55323@mail.gmail.com> These are the start of the pictures we took on our visit to Phoenix: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nov07USA/PimaMenu1.htm The engines at the GoldField Ghost Town mught be of interest, lots of old rusty iron in that place.... Picked up a B17 piston (1945 manufacture) at Falcon Field, could have had a complete conrod/master rod set as well, but too heavy for the luggage! They have various non-usable engine parts for sale in the museum shop. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sun Nov 25 15:13:20 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:13:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <4749D308.20705@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <006301c82fb8$c54069c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Tommy here are pictures of the Stickney salesman demo kit: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/page106.html Denis ----- Original Message ----- From: Judge Tommy Turner To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? Yeah Denis, I've seen a few of the cutaways. None have been miniature versions of the larger engines made for traveling salesman to take from town to town other than the Stickney that I saw. Tommy Turner From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 25 15:25:16 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:25:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Looking for an FM T ignitor Message-ID: <20071125.152516.1944.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Francis. That is the same as the one that bounced. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:36:39 EST FRM8198 at aol.com writes: > Ron, > Here is Don email address - _bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net_ > (mailto:bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net) > In case you need his phone number - 816-506-7920 > > Francis Maciel > > > In a message dated 11/25/2007 12:34:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > rdhaskell at juno.com writes: > > Does anyone have a current E-mail address for Don Miller. He is > the guy > that took over for Ted Brookover. This one bounces: > bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sun Nov 25 15:06:38 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:06:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> <1196024492.4749e2ac84214@webmail.city-net.com> <4749E7B5.9030107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <005301c82fb7$d54700a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Gilson (Port Washington) had this salesman sample in their catalogue: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/page133.html I know of only one survivor. Denis << I doubt this thing would produce 1/2 HP but it might. I've never seen any mention of an engine this small in the Olds literature.>> From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sun Nov 25 15:39:18 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:39:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Phoenix Trip Pictures References: <6f6025160711251506s4d1a59c2l690243b1f4b55323@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cc01c82fbc$665baba0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Excellent pictures and getting them on the web Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: ; "Stationary-Engine" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Phoenix Trip Pictures > These are the start of the pictures we took on our visit to Phoenix: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nov07USA/PimaMenu1.htm > > The engines at the GoldField Ghost Town mught be of interest, lots of > old rusty iron in that place.... > > Picked up a B17 piston (1945 manufacture) at Falcon Field, could have > had a complete conrod/master rod set as well, but too heavy for the > luggage! They have various non-usable engine parts for sale in the > museum shop. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 25 16:32:23 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:32:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM Message-ID: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> To the Editor: I read with great interest the Letter to the Editor from Mr. Andrew Gibb (TOMM, Issue 133, Oct-Nov, 2007). The letter was entitled ?Anti Export of Machinery.? It was only by chance that I happened to read the piece as I had just finished reading the main content of that issue. One of the things about the content that really struck me was how few Australian engines and tractors were included. By my count there were 19 USA, 30 British, and 11 Australian. I?m not counting the steamers or the items For Sale. It seems to me that an issue containing ONLY those 11 Australian entries would be bloody boring; especially to the Australian readership. And this brings me to the heart of the matter and where I strongly disagree with everything that Mr. Gibb has to say. How can a so-called engine man drift so far off the track? The essence of this hobby is the enormous diversity of machinery that is around and the equal diversity in the folks who make the hobby so much fun. If poor old Mr. Gibb had his way, we?d all become hermits squatting alone in dark caves on the few machines we happened to own. What a horrible prospect. I feel so incredibly sorry for the man. He needs to get out more. He NEEDS to get a life! The USA and British engines were included in the TOMM issue for the same reason that different engines appear in Stationary Engine Magazine and Gas Engine Magazine. Diversity is what makes the hobby interesting. Who wants to go to a rally and see the same old local stuff year after year? Why does an American engine on an Australian rally field attract so much attention? And why does a British engine attract so much attention on a rally field in the USA? It?s something different and there?s usually an interesting story that goes along with the engine. As an example, a good friend in England decided to get her husband an American oilfield engine for his 40th birthday. She contacted friends in the USA who quickly located a very rare 20 hp Tillinghast half-breed. The deal was done and the friends began to restore the engine. The finished engine on massive polished white oak timbers was presented to him and then rallied at the Portland engine show (the largest in the world). The engine was then crated by the same group of friends and shipped over to England. The engine is obviously one-of-a-kind in England and is even pretty rare in the USA. It commands a lot of attention and is highly sought after by rally organizers. The story, the oak, and the engine itself generate equal interest. The full story may be found in articles in both GEM and in SEM. Another friend has acquired a gorgeous 11 hp Austral. It?s complete, on an original transport, and in lovely original running condition. Now this engine has excited engine folks from one side of the USA to the other. In addition to displaying the normal adverts and engine literature, he also has history on the engine and what it did for a living (pumping water and powering a sheep-shearing operation) on the sheep station it came from. Also displayed are kero tins and boxes along with a description of how those were used in the outback for everything from furniture to roofing and siding. As a result of this engine being on exhibit, Americans are learning that there?s far more to Oz than Crocodile Dundee, kangaroos, and shrimp on the barbie. The 11 hp Austral is featured in a 5-page spread in the Dec-Jan 2007-2008 issue of GEM. Mr. Gibb would be strongly opposed to the fact that the Austral was being enjoyed in the USA. I can only assume that he would be equally distressed that an item of American ?cultural heritage? ended up in England. In fact, I imagine that he is even more distressed that so many British and American engines are in Australia at present. He?s probably apoplectic at the current rate at which old American iron is flooding into Oz by the container load thereby diluting the native stock. Damn the favorable exchange rate anyway. Although, interestingly enough, he doesn?t say a word about rare foreign iron showing up on Aussie rally fields. A bit inconsistent wouldn?t you say Mr. Gibb? Maybe now is the time to begin an old iron repatriation movement. Let?s start, shall we, with the ultra-rare 7 hp Frisco Standard Engine on page 34 of that issue of TOMM. That engine should be back in San Francisco where it could contribute to the local cultural heritage. The final aspect of his screed that I would like to address is his ranting about ?dealers? and someone making a ?profit? on what they sell. Clearly, Mr. Gibb is a Communist and as such will have difficulty grasping what I have to say next. The presence of dealers in the old iron hobby is a good thing. They will buy whole barn loads of ?stuff? from a farmer who wants to sell even though only one or two pieces are desirable. He then has his money tied up until he can finally turn over the last knackered old Lister D. Dealers also make the investment so that collectors who might never encounter that particular farmer are able to buy an engine that they?re interested in. Similarly, by having an inventory, dealers make it easier for newcomers to the hobby to acquire an engine or two to start their collections. I bought my first engine from a dealer. I loved this line in Mr. Gibb?s letter: ?How can genuine enthusiasts buy an engine if they have to compete against the dealers who have too much money to spend and no interest in our nation?s heritage?? There is so much wrong with that single statement that I hardly know where to begin. Dealers, because of the need to make a profit, can never pay more for an engine than a collector would. That?s just simple economics. The market price for old engines is pretty well normalized these days by the want ads in the various magazines (TOMM, SEM, GEM), by eBay, and other Internet sales outlets like Harry?s Engineads. http://www.enginads.com/ As to ?profit? Mr. Gibb says ? it is a disgrace that some people are willing to sacrifice our history, in order to line their own pockets.? Well, excuse me Mr. Gibb, but I guess you were absent at school when they discussed the concept of personal property and the owner?s right to dispose of it how he sees fit. Engines change hands for a great many reasons. It may be a change in personal circumstances, it may be health related, perhaps a child is going to college or getting married. Or it might be as simple as getting bored with the old one and wanting something different. In any case, if the seller makes some money on the deal, that allows him to buy something better or, as is often the case, just keep up with the ever changing market price of old engines. Making a profit is not a bad thing. I think you should wake up and smell the eucalyptus Mr. Gibb. Instead of ranting about old iron leaving Oz to go to collectors in other countries, perhaps you would do better to encourage young folks by embracing the joy that this hobby actually provides and a real part of that joy involves engines moving from one collector to another and from one country to another. Engines and engine friends are not limited to one?s country of origin. Best regards, Arnie Arnie Fero 7050 Leechburg Road New Kensington, PA 15068 USA Phone: 724-722-6004 Email: fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 25 16:34:27 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:34:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <005301c82fb7$d54700a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> <1196024492.4749e2ac84214@webmail.city-net.com> <4749E7B5.9030107@scrtc.com> <005301c82fb7$d54700a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <1196037267.474a1493d9326@webmail.city-net.com> Denis, Thanks for posting this and the Stickney example. Pretty neat!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Denis Rouleau : > Gilson (Port Washington) had this salesman sample in their catalogue: > http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/page133.html I know of only one survivor. From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Nov 25 16:58:51 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:58:51 EST Subject: [SEL] Looking for an FM T ignitor Message-ID: Ron, Here is Jennifer Brookover's email - _ignitors at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:ignitors at sbcglobal.net) In a message dated 11/25/2007 3:34:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: Thanks Francis. That is the same as the one that bounced **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 25 17:32:48 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:32:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Good Show Mate! Makes me proud to be able to say "I know that guy!" Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 25, 2007, at 7:32 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > To the Editor: > > I read with great interest the Letter to the Editor from Mr. Andrew > Gibb (TOMM, > Issue 133, Oct-Nov, 2007). The letter was entitled ?Anti Export of > Machinery.? > It was only by chance that I happened to read the piece as I had > just finished > reading the main content of that issue. One of the things about > the content > that really struck me was how few Australian engines and tractors were > included. By my count there were 19 USA, 30 British, and 11 > Australian. I?m > not counting the steamers or the items For Sale. It seems to me > that an issue > containing ONLY those 11 Australian entries would be bloody boring; > especially > to the Australian readership. > Best regards, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > 7050 Leechburg Road > New Kensington, PA 15068 USA > Phone: 724-722-6004 > Email: fero_ah at city-net.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 17:40:45 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:40:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <005301c82fb7$d54700a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> <1196024492.4749e2ac84214@webmail.city-net.com> <4749E7B5.9030107@scrtc.com> <005301c82fb7$d54700a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <474A241D.3060906@scrtc.com> Denis, Would that be a sample or as Arnie asked, an actual small HP engine? It sounds like from the description, its both possibly. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Denis Rouleau wrote: >Gilson (Port Washington) had this salesman sample in their catalogue: >http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/page133.html I know of only one survivor. >Denis > << I doubt this thing would produce 1/2 HP but it might. I've never seen any mention > of an engine this small in the Olds literature.>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 17:42:28 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:42:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <006301c82fb8$c54069c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <4749D308.20705@scrtc.com> <006301c82fb8$c54069c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <474A2484.6000308@scrtc.com> Yup Denis, thats the one I looked at! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Denis Rouleau wrote: >http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/page106.html >Denis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Judge Tommy Turner > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > > > Yeah Denis, I've seen a few of the cutaways. None have been miniature versions of the larger > engines made for traveling salesman to take from town to town other than > the Stickney that I saw. Tommy Turner > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 25 17:46:57 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:46:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> Hi Arnie.The letter is fantastic and says what most of us here think and feel.As you know I have several American engines that I have imported and have 5 more on the way.To get these I have had to sell some of my English oil engines so as to afford them.Some of my American engines are one offs in Australia and show people here a wider range of iron than otherwise available at shows.I personally have only exported one engine to the US and this was more of a swap deal .It got me a Mogul Jr and this little engine draws a lot of attention here as they were not sent here during there working life time. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM > To the Editor: > > I read with great interest the Letter to the Editor from Mr. Andrew Gibb > (TOMM, > Issue 133, Oct-Nov, 2007). The letter was entitled "Anti Export of > Machinery." From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 17:51:30 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:51:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <474A26A2.5090209@scrtc.com> Great letter Arnie. The only good point about Mr. Gibb's letter is that its comforting to know that the US isn't the only place with folks who have off the wall ideas. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >To the Editor: > >I read with great interest the Letter to the Editor from Mr. Andrew Gibb (TOMM, >Issue 133, Oct-Nov, 2007). The letter was entitled ?Anti Export of Machinery.? >It was only by chance that I happened to read the piece as I had just finished >reading the main content of that issue. One of the things about the content >that really struck me was how few Australian engines and tractors were >included. By my count there were 19 USA, 30 British, and 11 Australian. I?m >not counting the steamers or the items For Sale. It seems to me that an issue >containing ONLY those 11 Australian entries would be bloody boring; especially >to the Australian readership. > >And this brings me to the heart of the matter and where I strongly disagree with >everything that Mr. Gibb has to say. How can a so-called engine man drift so >far off the track? The essence of this hobby is the enormous diversity of >machinery that is around and the equal diversity in the folks who make the >hobby so much fun. If poor old Mr. Gibb had his way, we?d all become hermits >squatting alone in dark caves on the few machines we happened to own. What a >horrible prospect. I feel so incredibly sorry for the man. He needs to get >out more. He NEEDS to get a life! > >The USA and British engines were included in the TOMM issue for the same reason >that different engines appear in Stationary Engine Magazine and Gas Engine >Magazine. Diversity is what makes the hobby interesting. Who wants to go to a >rally and see the same old local stuff year after year? Why does an American >engine on an Australian rally field attract so much attention? And why does a >British engine attract so much attention on a rally field in the USA? It?s >something different and there?s usually an interesting story that goes along >with the engine. > >As an example, a good friend in England decided to get her husband an American >oilfield engine for his 40th birthday. She contacted friends in the USA who >quickly located a very rare 20 hp Tillinghast half-breed. The deal was done >and the friends began to restore the engine. The finished engine on massive >polished white oak timbers was presented to him and then rallied at the >Portland engine show (the largest in the world). The engine was then crated by >the same group of friends and shipped over to England. The engine is obviously >one-of-a-kind in England and is even pretty rare in the USA. It commands a lot >of attention and is highly sought after by rally organizers. The story, the >oak, and the engine itself generate equal interest. The full story may be >found in articles in both GEM and in SEM. > >Another friend has acquired a gorgeous 11 hp Austral. It?s complete, on an >original transport, and in lovely original running condition. Now this engine >has excited engine folks from one side of the USA to the other. In addition to >displaying the normal adverts and engine literature, he also has history on the >engine and what it did for a living (pumping water and powering a >sheep-shearing operation) on the sheep station it came from. Also displayed >are kero tins and boxes along with a description of how those were used in the >outback for everything from furniture to roofing and siding. As a result of >this engine being on exhibit, Americans are learning that there?s far more to >Oz than Crocodile Dundee, kangaroos, and shrimp on the barbie. The 11 hp >Austral is featured in a 5-page spread in the Dec-Jan 2007-2008 issue of GEM. > >Mr. Gibb would be strongly opposed to the fact that the Austral was being >enjoyed in the USA. I can only assume that he would be equally distressed that >an item of American ?cultural heritage? ended up in England. In fact, I >imagine that he is even more distressed that so many British and American >engines are in Australia at present. He?s probably apoplectic at the current >rate at which old American iron is flooding into Oz by the container load >thereby diluting the native stock. Damn the favorable exchange rate anyway. >Although, interestingly enough, he doesn?t say a word about rare foreign iron >showing up on Aussie rally fields. A bit inconsistent wouldn?t you say Mr. >Gibb? Maybe now is the time to begin an old iron repatriation movement. Let?s >start, shall we, with the ultra-rare 7 hp Frisco Standard Engine on page 34 of >that issue of TOMM. That engine should be back in San Francisco where it could >contribute to the local cultural heritage. > >The final aspect of his screed that I would like to address is his ranting about >?dealers? and someone making a ?profit? on what they sell. Clearly, Mr. Gibb >is a Communist and as such will have difficulty grasping what I have to say >next. The presence of dealers in the old iron hobby is a good thing. They >will buy whole barn loads of ?stuff? from a farmer who wants to sell even >though only one or two pieces are desirable. He then has his money tied up >until he can finally turn over the last knackered old Lister D. Dealers also >make the investment so that collectors who might never encounter that >particular farmer are able to buy an engine that they?re interested in. >Similarly, by having an inventory, dealers make it easier for newcomers to the >hobby to acquire an engine or two to start their collections. I bought my >first engine from a dealer. > >I loved this line in Mr. Gibb?s letter: ?How can genuine enthusiasts buy an >engine if they have to compete against the dealers who have too much money to >spend and no interest in our nation?s heritage?? There is so much wrong with >that single statement that I hardly know where to begin. Dealers, because of >the need to make a profit, can never pay more for an engine than a collector >would. That?s just simple economics. The market price for old engines is >pretty well normalized these days by the want ads in the various magazines >(TOMM, SEM, GEM), by eBay, and other Internet sales outlets like Harry?s >Engineads. http://www.enginads.com/ > >As to ?profit? Mr. Gibb says ??it is a disgrace that some people are willing to >sacrifice our history, in order to line their own pockets.? Well, excuse me >Mr. Gibb, but I guess you were absent at school when they discussed the concept >of personal property and the owner?s right to dispose of it how he sees fit. >Engines change hands for a great many reasons. It may be a change in personal >circumstances, it may be health related, perhaps a child is going to college or >getting married. Or it might be as simple as getting bored with the old one >and wanting something different. In any case, if the seller makes some money >on the deal, that allows him to buy something better or, as is often the case, >just keep up with the ever changing market price of old engines. Making a >profit is not a bad thing. > >I think you should wake up and smell the eucalyptus Mr. Gibb. Instead of >ranting about old iron leaving Oz to go to collectors in other countries, >perhaps you would do better to encourage young folks by embracing the joy that >this hobby actually provides and a real part of that joy involves engines >moving from one collector to another and from one country to another. Engines >and engine friends are not limited to one?s country of origin. > >Best regards, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >7050 Leechburg Road >New Kensington, PA 15068 USA >Phone: 724-722-6004 >Email: fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 25 19:33:59 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:33:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: Congratulations, Edd. Be sure to send pictures when you get 'em. I'm a little curious about what kind of Yank engines would be better than some nice English engines. You're right about the attention that foreign engines can get. I especially get a kick out of reading TOMM or SEM, and seeing the same enthusiasm given toward nice local engines and common American engines. The same is true here. Rob On Nov 25, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > Hi Arnie.The letter is fantastic and says what most of us here think > and > feel.As you know I have several American engines that I have > imported and > have 5 more on the way.To get these I have had to sell some of my > English > oil engines so as to afford them.Some of my American engines are one > offs in > Australia and show people here a wider range of iron than otherwise > available at shows.I personally have only exported one engine to the > US and > this was more of a swap deal .It got me a Mogul Jr and this little > engine > draws a lot of attention here as they were not sent here during there > working life time. From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Nov 25 19:44:58 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:44:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <004301c82fde$b7d5b3a0$266d4b47@mikecomp> Dear Arnie: As you know I have written a letter or two and a rebuttal here and there, yet I pale in comparison to that well thought and powerfully printed testament to capitalism, friendship, old iron, and the hobbies that bind us all in a common interest. BRAVO, well said! I am amazed an nu-clear engineer is so well versed without the benefit of an equation or two! Proud of you as a true engine man!!!!! Mike (the good brother) Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM To the Editor: I read with great interest the Letter to the Editor from Mr. Andrew Gibb (TOMM, Issue 133, Oct-Nov, 2007). The letter was entitled "Anti Export of Machinery." It was only by chance that I happened to read the piece as I had just finished reading the main content of that issue. One of the things about the content that really struck me was how few Australian engines and tractors were included. By my count there were 19 USA, 30 British, and 11 Australian. I'm not counting the steamers or the items For Sale. It seems to me that an issue containing ONLY those 11 Australian entries would be bloody boring; especially to the Australian readership. And this brings me to the heart of the matter and where I strongly disagree with everything that Mr. Gibb has to say. How can a so-called engine man drift so far off the track? The essence of this hobby is the enormous diversity of machinery that is around and the equal diversity in the folks who make the hobby so much fun. If poor old Mr. Gibb had his way, we'd all become hermits squatting alone in dark caves on the few machines we happened to own. What a horrible prospect. I feel so incredibly sorry for the man. He needs to get out more. He NEEDS to get a life! The USA and British engines were included in the TOMM issue for the same reason that different engines appear in Stationary Engine Magazine and Gas Engine Magazine. Diversity is what makes the hobby interesting. Who wants to go to a rally and see the same old local stuff year after year? Why does an American engine on an Australian rally field attract so much attention? And why does a British engine attract so much attention on a rally field in the USA? It's something different and there's usually an interesting story that goes along with the engine. As an example, a good friend in England decided to get her husband an American oilfield engine for his 40th birthday. She contacted friends in the USA who quickly located a very rare 20 hp Tillinghast half-breed. The deal was done and the friends began to restore the engine. The finished engine on massive polished white oak timbers was presented to him and then rallied at the Portland engine show (the largest in the world). The engine was then crated by the same group of friends and shipped over to England. The engine is obviously one-of-a-kind in England and is even pretty rare in the USA. It commands a lot of attention and is highly sought after by rally organizers. The story, the oak, and the engine itself generate equal interest. The full story may be found in articles in both GEM and in SEM. Another friend has acquired a gorgeous 11 hp Austral. It's complete, on an original transport, and in lovely original running condition. Now this engine has excited engine folks from one side of the USA to the other. In addition to displaying the normal adverts and engine literature, he also has history on the engine and what it did for a living (pumping water and powering a sheep-shearing operation) on the sheep station it came from. Also displayed are kero tins and boxes along with a description of how those were used in the outback for everything from furniture to roofing and siding. As a result of this engine being on exhibit, Americans are learning that there's far more to Oz than Crocodile Dundee, kangaroos, and shrimp on the barbie. The 11 hp Austral is featured in a 5-page spread in the Dec-Jan 2007-2008 issue of GEM. Mr. Gibb would be strongly opposed to the fact that the Austral was being enjoyed in the USA. I can only assume that he would be equally distressed that an item of American "cultural heritage" ended up in England. In fact, I imagine that he is even more distressed that so many British and American engines are in Australia at present. He's probably apoplectic at the current rate at which old American iron is flooding into Oz by the container load thereby diluting the native stock. Damn the favorable exchange rate anyway. Although, interestingly enough, he doesn't say a word about rare foreign iron showing up on Aussie rally fields. A bit inconsistent wouldn't you say Mr. Gibb? Maybe now is the time to begin an old iron repatriation movement. Let's start, shall we, with the ultra-rare 7 hp Frisco Standard Engine on page 34 of that issue of TOMM. That engine should be back in San Francisco where it could contribute to the local cultural heritage. The final aspect of his screed that I would like to address is his ranting about "dealers" and someone making a "profit" on what they sell. Clearly, Mr. Gibb is a Communist and as such will have difficulty grasping what I have to say next. The presence of dealers in the old iron hobby is a good thing. They will buy whole barn loads of "stuff" from a farmer who wants to sell even though only one or two pieces are desirable. He then has his money tied up until he can finally turn over the last knackered old Lister D. Dealers also make the investment so that collectors who might never encounter that particular farmer are able to buy an engine that they're interested in. Similarly, by having an inventory, dealers make it easier for newcomers to the hobby to acquire an engine or two to start their collections. I bought my first engine from a dealer. I loved this line in Mr. Gibb's letter: "How can genuine enthusiasts buy an engine if they have to compete against the dealers who have too much money to spend and no interest in our nation's heritage?" There is so much wrong with that single statement that I hardly know where to begin. Dealers, because of the need to make a profit, can never pay more for an engine than a collector would. That's just simple economics. The market price for old engines is pretty well normalized these days by the want ads in the various magazines (TOMM, SEM, GEM), by eBay, and other Internet sales outlets like Harry's Engineads. http://www.enginads.com/ As to "profit" Mr. Gibb says ".it is a disgrace that some people are willing to sacrifice our history, in order to line their own pockets." Well, excuse me Mr. Gibb, but I guess you were absent at school when they discussed the concept of personal property and the owner's right to dispose of it how he sees fit. Engines change hands for a great many reasons. It may be a change in personal circumstances, it may be health related, perhaps a child is going to college or getting married. Or it might be as simple as getting bored with the old one and wanting something different. In any case, if the seller makes some money on the deal, that allows him to buy something better or, as is often the case, just keep up with the ever changing market price of old engines. Making a profit is not a bad thing. I think you should wake up and smell the eucalyptus Mr. Gibb. Instead of ranting about old iron leaving Oz to go to collectors in other countries, perhaps you would do better to encourage young folks by embracing the joy that this hobby actually provides and a real part of that joy involves engines moving from one collector to another and from one country to another. Engines and engine friends are not limited to one's country of origin. Best regards, Arnie Arnie Fero 7050 Leechburg Road New Kensington, PA 15068 USA Phone: 724-722-6004 Email: fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 25 21:16:08 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:16:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <1196054168.474a56980071e@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rob, You reminded me of an experience at the 1000 Engine Rally a few years ago. A mate had a "competition model" Fairbanks Morse engine that was in incredible original condition. I had never seen one that nice or complete before. As we talked, he lamented the fact that while the engine was OK, he couldn't wait to get a decent brass oiler for it. I told him he was nuts, and explained the significance of the cheap steel oiler and how relatively rare they were in that condition, etc. Man he was chuffed. I happened to be nearby and overheard him explaining the "competition" features and going out of his way to point out the steel oiler. I think it had become his favorite engine. See ya, Arnie Quoting Rob Skinner : > You're right about the attention that foreign engines can get. I > especially get a kick out of reading TOMM or SEM, and seeing the same > enthusiasm given toward nice local engines and common American > engines. The same is true here. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Nov 26 02:51:23 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:51:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <000c01c8300c$5c490810$0401a8c0@matthews> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <000c01c8300c$5c490810$0401a8c0@matthews> Message-ID: <7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> G'Day Ian I find it hard to understand or agree with much you say but I will make my way down your post. I have seen auctions where Australians don't care what they pay for an engine, they want it and they buy it, that is the way auctions work. you and I may not be able to match the power of the US dollar but quite a few Aussies can and do. You talk about the new Government changing laws, well I can tell you I am sick of Governments telling me what I can or cannot do, we live in a police state/country now and we can do without more bloody left wing laws. Stature of Liberty not worth talking about in this discussion but I have an Australian bridge for sale if you want it You have a Mietz & Weiss, great, even fantastic you are indeed fortunate and if you believe it should stay in Australia don't sell it, the other two owners used their right to sell and if Australians didn't want to buy it then sell to the highest bidder. I agree we should keep a sample here, better still we should keep the lot here but we need to pay the dollar and buy them not some pencil pusher in Canberra telling us what we can and cannot do. You talk about SC turning up in the UK, never heard anyone with the same beliefs as you and Mr Gibb's try to stop the destruction of iron to the scrappies, I would have thought that would be far more inportant than export as with the scrappies they are lost forever. In every issue there are two side and I respect yours and Mr Gibbs and I would say your side out number my beliefs, but I think people with your thoughts are just jealous they cannot afford it. Put simply the owner, minder should have the right to sell as they think fit not some Government deciding all the best Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > Hi All > > I agree with Mr Gibbs as an Australian far to much machinery is > being exported Now for some info to you Americans you might not know but > should, Australia has only a population of 20million, what does America > have something like 220million and if you go back to the early 1900s the > population was very small, now you might say what does this mean, well it > means the was not much machinery was imported or made here as there was > not industry base that required it, result being what we have here is in > low numbers and the idea of going bush (as we call it ) to find an old > engine is now a rare thing but I see you Yanks (no insult intended) are > still finding machinery laying around > > I have been to auctions where there have been Yanks there and they don't > care what they pay for an engine, we can't match the power of your dollar > and as Mr Gibb say we are losing our heritage to the all mighty dollar > > As Gibb's has said also the New Zealand government has recognised the > heritage value of old machinery as the machinery numbers in NZ are even > smaller than what's in Australia and now with a new Government in > Australia we might stand a chance to have some laws changed > > I find it disappointing to see machinery that built Australia I have to > travel overseas to see it as that is the way it is going > > How would you Yanks like it if we Aussie got together and bought the > Stature of Liberty to set up in Australia > > I have a Mietz & Weiss, there was three of them in Queensland two have > gone to the USA and I have been offered what some people would say 'good > money' and if I sell mine then there is none and if look at a map of > Queensland it is bigger the most USA states > > Do you at all see the picture we have to keep a sample here for people to > see what was used to build Australia > > As some of you might know I run the Southern Cross Register, Southern > Cross was the largest manufacture of machinery in Queensland and from 1926 > to 1986 only made 90 thousand engines this might seam a lot but there was > many many models with production figures well under 500 the lowest run was > a ESB 21 made two have been found, YD 50 made 3 found and the list goes on > with a number of models yet to be found and some other low production runs > are showing up in the UK, snuck out from under our nose > > Now I'm not about stopping export but we do need to control what is being > exported > > SOUTHERN CROSS REGISTER > Ian Matthews > ianm01 at hotkey.net.au From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 03:18:39 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:18:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <000c01c8300c$5c490810$0401a8c0@matthews> <7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> Message-ID: <6f6025160711260318l7fc2129i60b28c93e6a7c93e@mail.gmail.com> As in most things, there are two sides to a discussion and we should all try and look at the other side's point of view. I agree that it is always nice to keep 'heritage' items (to use Tom's expression) in context in their country of use, and if that is an issue for the Australians and New Zealanders then they should take steps to buy such items in the free market and retain them. Just issuing a Govt edict that they should not be exported, without putting their own money up simply isn't going to work, and doesn't in my view. I don't agree with all of Arnie's view of dealers. They are NOT all the same and some have done considerable damage in their transactions, but as a generalisation, they are part of the problem. Rare items in any country will be sought after, and it is up to the individuals or Govt's of that country to put their money up or shut up. If they don't, then they can expect to see items going overseas, just as we in the UK have seen lots of our own engines etc going abroad. The Pound is probably higher in value against most currencies at present, but we don't seem to see a big influx of engines, possibly as we seem to see overseas prices being a bit inflated anyway? I personally don't feel that labelling any item as 'Heritage' makes it either more valuable or collectable or worth holding on to. It is a label, nothing else. True value can only be determined in an auction sale where those who want it most will pay the most. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Nov 26 03:26:13 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:26:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> Message-ID: <20071126112557.TQJM14439.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> This argument has been gone over so many times over the years that it should have a heritage order on it ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 05:45:07 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:45:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Slightly OT: Screen resolutions and brightness/contrast Message-ID: <6f6025160711260545v49cd3ca5r96b7203b1785ef95@mail.gmail.com> We have been trying to balance up the brightness and contrast settings for images we post on our website, but we notice that now we are using widescreen TFT monitors, the old CRT settings may be no longer valid for a lot of people. Has anyone noticed this while browsing ours and other sites? or are we worrying about a non-issue? We have also gradually increased the size of images, particularly those with a lot of detail in, and so far we haven't had anyone complain, but we would like to know if folks find it a problem with the large sizes (currently we are posting 896 X 672 pixels) Feedback would be appreciated please. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 26 06:28:10 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:28:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Slightly OT: Screen resolutions and brightness/contrast In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711260545v49cd3ca5r96b7203b1785ef95@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711260545v49cd3ca5r96b7203b1785ef95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1627.12.223.26.26.1196087290.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> You can keep DPI down to under 100, which helps in FILE SIZE (more important than image view size for those still on dial-up which is still a large percentage in the states!) If it's going to be printed, 300DPI is as good as is needed unless there are special requests. Most printers still default to 300 and it's really "pretty good" for ordinary print viewing. I simply avoid sites with large images. On the sites and forums I maintain, I still assume that the typical audience won't have cable bandwidth speeds and is probably over 40 years old so using resolutions of no more than 1024 x yyy. On theAMCForum.com we try to keep folks to keep images down to under 800 wide for easier forum use and viewing - a courtesy. Avoid horizontal scrolling at all costs......... university studies show it's a huge turn-off and makes a site harder to view. Brightness - you have to experiment and just ask folks, or use different monitors. Try a notebook running on batteries, try a desktop with both CRT and flat type displays. Bill Runnells, Iowa USA http://antique-engines.com http://theamcpages.com http://theamcforum.com (webmaster, administrator of the fastest growing forum for fans of AMC, Nash, Hudson, Jeep, Rambler, Wheelhorse, etc.) > We have been trying to balance up the brightness and contrast settings > for images we post on our website, but we notice that now we are using > widescreen TFT monitors, the old CRT settings may be no longer valid > for a lot of people. > > Has anyone noticed this while browsing ours and other sites? or are > we worrying about a non-issue? > > We have also gradually increased the size of images, particularly > those with a lot of detail in, and so far we haven't had anyone > complain, but we would like to know if folks find it a problem with > the large sizes (currently we are posting 896 X 672 pixels) > > Feedback would be appreciated please. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 26 09:51:32 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:51:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <000c01c8300c$5c490810$0401a8c0@matthews> <7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> Message-ID: G'day Ian, I'd like to offer a few thoughts on your comments. > > I agree with Mr Gibbs as an Australian far to much machinery is > > being exported Now for some info to you Americans you might not know but > > should, Australia has only a population of 20million, what does America > > have something like 220million and if you go back to the early 1900s the > > population was very small, now you might say what does this mean, well it > > means the was not much machinery was imported or made here as there was > > not industry base that required it, result being what we have here is in > > low numbers and the idea of going bush (as we call it ) to find an old > > engine is now a rare thing but I see you Yanks (no insult intended) are > > still finding machinery laying around Some info for you Aussies that you might not know but should. During WWII, VAST quantities of the old flywheel engines went into the blast furnaces to turn out tanks, battleships, aircraft carriers, etc. That action accomplished two things. First, it allowed us to have this exchange of ideas in English rather than German or Japanese. Second, it made finding old engines when going bush as rare and exciting an event here as it is in Oz. Them's the facts mate. You have obviously grown up listening to fairy tales of fancy old iron hiding away in every barn and celler. BTW, the streets here aren't paved with gold either. Sorry. > > I have been to auctions where there have been Yanks there and they don't > > care what they pay for an engine, we can't match the power of your dollar > > and as Mr Gibb say we are losing our heritage to the all mighty dollar Hell mate, the country of origin of a collector has nothing to do with how deep his pockets are. If anything, given the current exchange rates due to the VERY weak dollar, we Yanks are at a MAJOR disadvantage compared to the Brits, Aussies, Canadians and Europeans in general. That is certainly born out by seeing who the top bidders are at auctions in the US. I think if you check with your mates you'll find that things are SOOO sweet right now that they are bringing in the Yank engines by the container load. So you should be thrilled that we don't subscribe to the flawed notion that an engine owner should be limited in terms of who he sells to. > > As Gibb's has said also the New Zealand government has recognised the > > heritage value of old machinery as the machinery numbers in NZ are even > > smaller than what's in Australia and now with a new Government in > > Australia we might stand a chance to have some laws changed Be careful what you wish for you might get it. You may find yourself TOTALLY controlled by your government. > > I find it disappointing to see machinery that built Australia I have to > > travel overseas to see it as that is the way it is going Piece of advice mate. Don't waste your money traveling to America, England, or Europe to see Aussie engines. The bloody things are scarce as hen's teeth in those countries. You need to look for more credible sources of info than carping letters to the editor. > > How would you Yanks like it if we Aussie got together and bought the > > Stature of Liberty to set up in Australia Brilliant idea! But ONLY if you also take the population of New York City as a part of the deal. > > I have a Mietz & Weiss, there was three of them in Queensland two have > > gone to the USA and I have been offered what some people would say 'good > > money' and if I sell mine then there is none and if look at a map of > > Queensland it is bigger the most USA states Mietz & Weiss? Is that a native Aussie-built engine? > > Do you at all see the picture we have to keep a sample here for people to > > see what was used to build Australia Gee, as with Mr. Gibb, no discussion on your part about banning the importation of "cultural heritage" engines from other countries. Why is that? > > As some of you might know I run the Southern Cross Register, Southern > > Cross was the largest manufacture of machinery in Queensland and from 1926 > > to 1986 only made 90 thousand engines this might seam a lot but there was > > many many models with production figures well under 500 the lowest run was > > a ESB 21 made two have been found, YD 50 made 3 found and the list goes on > > with a number of models yet to be found and some other low production runs > > are showing up in the UK, snuck out from under our nose Hmmm, ISTR that the R&V register is maintained by a dedicated Aussie. And correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those US built engines? I maintain a register of Lorenz & Benz engines that were built in the Czeck republic. So what? Every register keeper does so for one reason only. The love of the mark. > > Now I'm not about stopping export but we do need to control what is being > > exported Sure are. You're a greedy sod who wants the government to keep engine owners from being able to sell their property to the highest bidder. You want the government to forse him to sell the engine to YOU at a fraction of its true worth. You're a bloody Communist who's afraid to stand up and admit it. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com From George_Best at adp.com Mon Nov 26 09:01:06 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:01:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> What are the dates for the Portland swap meet in the Spring? This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 26 09:28:28 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:28:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: May 12-18. Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 26, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Best, George wrote: > What are the dates for the Portland swap meet in the Spring? > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and > delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 26 10:18:01 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:18:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: May 12-18, 2008. It's their 25th Spring Swap. On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Best, George wrote: > What are the dates for the Portland swap meet in the Spring? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 26 09:33:56 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:33:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Letter to the Editor - TOMM References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><000c01c8300c$5c490810$0401a8c0@matthews><7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> Message-ID: <002a01c83052$85ce9920$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> machinery numbers in NZ are even > > smaller than what's in Australia and now with a new Government in > > Australia we might stand a chance to have some laws changed Be careful what you wish for you might get it. You may find yourself TOTALLY controlled by your government. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The very recent legislation bringing the hammer down on outlaw biker clubs making it illegal to congregate in their clubhouse or associate . Might that be applied to a bunch of gummers billowing dense black smoke from their boilers ? > > I have a Mietz & Weiss, there was three of them in Queensland two have > > gone to the USA and I have been offered what some people would say 'good > > money' and if I sell mine then there is none and if look at a map of > > Queensland it is bigger the most USA states Mietz & Weiss? Is that a native Aussie-built engine? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it bigger than Texas ? We just had a Chinese hit and miss engine turn up about 4 hours away . AAAAlmost made it onto my radar . From George_Best at adp.com Mon Nov 26 09:42:36 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:42:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B77BB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Thanks! A friend of mine asked me if I'd be interested in driving to the swap meet next year. Not much of a drive, about 2500 miles each way ;-) So what are the best days to be there? I find it hard to believe that anyone other than business vendors are there the full 7 days. I would think we'd only be there a couple of days before heading back home. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:28 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates May 12-18. Dave This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 10:35:28 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:35:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> On 26/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > May 12-18. > Dave > Hi Dave: How does that compare datewise with the spring show in Tulare? Might be worth thinking about a spring vacation.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 26 10:38:43 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:38:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <2078.12.223.26.26.1196102323.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Not to mention culture sharing, and the sharing of the history of nations and peoples. It's "not just the iron" being shared, it's an understanding and common history and will bring us together in the end. Well done. Bill > To the Editor: > > I read with great interest the Letter to the Editor from Mr. Andrew Gibb > (TOMM, > Issue 133, Oct-Nov, 2007). The letter was entitled ?Anti Export of > Machinery.? > It was only by chance that I happened to read the piece as I had just > finished > reading the main content of that issue. One of the things about the > content > that really struck me was how few Australian engines and tractors were > included. By my count there were 19 USA, 30 British, and 11 Australian. > I?m > not counting the steamers or the items For Sale. It seems to me that an > issue > containing ONLY those 11 Australian entries would be bloody boring; > especially > to the Australian readership. > > And this brings me to the heart of the matter and where I strongly > disagree with > everything that Mr. Gibb has to say. How can a so-called engine man drift > so > far off the track? The essence of this hobby is the enormous diversity of > machinery that is around and the equal diversity in the folks who make the > hobby so much fun. If poor old Mr. Gibb had his way, we?d all become > hermits > squatting alone in dark caves on the few machines we happened to own. > What a > horrible prospect. I feel so incredibly sorry for the man. He needs to > get > out more. He NEEDS to get a life! > > The USA and British engines were included in the TOMM issue for the same > reason > that different engines appear in Stationary Engine Magazine and Gas Engine > Magazine. Diversity is what makes the hobby interesting. Who wants to go > to a > rally and see the same old local stuff year after year? Why does an > American > engine on an Australian rally field attract so much attention? And why > does a > British engine attract so much attention on a rally field in the USA? > It?s > something different and there?s usually an interesting story that goes > along > with the engine. > > As an example, a good friend in England decided to get her husband an > American > oilfield engine for his 40th birthday. She contacted friends in the USA > who > quickly located a very rare 20 hp Tillinghast half-breed. The deal was > done > and the friends began to restore the engine. The finished engine on > massive > polished white oak timbers was presented to him and then rallied at the > Portland engine show (the largest in the world). The engine was then > crated by > the same group of friends and shipped over to England. The engine is > obviously > one-of-a-kind in England and is even pretty rare in the USA. It commands > a lot > of attention and is highly sought after by rally organizers. The story, > the > oak, and the engine itself generate equal interest. The full story may be > found in articles in both GEM and in SEM. > > Another friend has acquired a gorgeous 11 hp Austral. It?s complete, on > an > original transport, and in lovely original running condition. Now this > engine > has excited engine folks from one side of the USA to the other. In > addition to > displaying the normal adverts and engine literature, he also has history > on the > engine and what it did for a living (pumping water and powering a > sheep-shearing operation) on the sheep station it came from. Also > displayed > are kero tins and boxes along with a description of how those were used in > the > outback for everything from furniture to roofing and siding. As a result > of > this engine being on exhibit, Americans are learning that there?s far more > to > Oz than Crocodile Dundee, kangaroos, and shrimp on the barbie. The 11 hp > Austral is featured in a 5-page spread in the Dec-Jan 2007-2008 issue of > GEM. > > Mr. Gibb would be strongly opposed to the fact that the Austral was being > enjoyed in the USA. I can only assume that he would be equally distressed > that > an item of American ?cultural heritage? ended up in England. In fact, I > imagine that he is even more distressed that so many British and American > engines are in Australia at present. He?s probably apoplectic at the > current > rate at which old American iron is flooding into Oz by the container load > thereby diluting the native stock. Damn the favorable exchange rate > anyway. > Although, interestingly enough, he doesn?t say a word about rare foreign > iron > showing up on Aussie rally fields. A bit inconsistent wouldn?t you say > Mr. > Gibb? Maybe now is the time to begin an old iron repatriation movement. > Let?s > start, shall we, with the ultra-rare 7 hp Frisco Standard Engine on page > 34 of > that issue of TOMM. That engine should be back in San Francisco where it > could > contribute to the local cultural heritage. > > The final aspect of his screed that I would like to address is his ranting > about > ?dealers? and someone making a ?profit? on what they sell. Clearly, Mr. > Gibb > is a Communist and as such will have difficulty grasping what I have to > say > next. The presence of dealers in the old iron hobby is a good thing. > They > will buy whole barn loads of ?stuff? from a farmer who wants to sell even > though only one or two pieces are desirable. He then has his money tied > up > until he can finally turn over the last knackered old Lister D. Dealers > also > make the investment so that collectors who might never encounter that > particular farmer are able to buy an engine that they?re interested in. > Similarly, by having an inventory, dealers make it easier for newcomers to > the > hobby to acquire an engine or two to start their collections. I bought my > first engine from a dealer. > > I loved this line in Mr. Gibb?s letter: ?How can genuine enthusiasts buy > an > engine if they have to compete against the dealers who have too much money > to > spend and no interest in our nation?s heritage?? There is so much wrong > with > that single statement that I hardly know where to begin. Dealers, because > of > the need to make a profit, can never pay more for an engine than a > collector > would. That?s just simple economics. The market price for old engines is > pretty well normalized these days by the want ads in the various magazines > (TOMM, SEM, GEM), by eBay, and other Internet sales outlets like Harry?s > Engineads. http://www.enginads.com/ > > As to ?profit? Mr. Gibb says ? it is a disgrace that some people are > willing to > sacrifice our history, in order to line their own pockets.? Well, excuse > me > Mr. Gibb, but I guess you were absent at school when they discussed the > concept > of personal property and the owner?s right to dispose of it how he sees > fit. > Engines change hands for a great many reasons. It may be a change in > personal > circumstances, it may be health related, perhaps a child is going to > college or > getting married. Or it might be as simple as getting bored with the old > one > and wanting something different. In any case, if the seller makes some > money > on the deal, that allows him to buy something better or, as is often the > case, > just keep up with the ever changing market price of old engines. Making a > profit is not a bad thing. > > I think you should wake up and smell the eucalyptus Mr. Gibb. Instead of > ranting about old iron leaving Oz to go to collectors in other countries, > perhaps you would do better to encourage young folks by embracing the joy > that > this hobby actually provides and a real part of that joy involves engines > moving from one collector to another and from one country to another. > Engines > and engine friends are not limited to one?s country of origin. > > Best regards, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > 7050 Leechburg Road > New Kensington, PA 15068 USA > Phone: 724-722-6004 > Email: fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Nov 26 10:48:42 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:48:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B7A97@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> The Tulare show is in April. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:35 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates On 26/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > May 12-18. > Dave > Hi Dave: How does that compare datewise with the spring show in Tulare? Might be worth thinking about a spring vacation.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 26 11:48:37 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:48:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hiya Peter, Yep, you should definitely plan on several visits. With the current exchange rate, you should plunder the colony's old iron horde to the max. In fact, according to some list posts, it's the VERY best place to find tonnes of rare Aussie engines. 8->> See ya, Arnie On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 26/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > > May 12-18. > > How does that compare datewise with the spring show in Tulare? > Might be worth thinking about a spring vacation.... From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 12:12:59 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:12:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Who's Collecting Engines at GEM ?? Richard Backus !!! 8>)) Message-ID: <248898.23988.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, Finally today my snail mail delivered my GEM. Yes Dave, Very nice write-up on you Austral. Then I turned the next page and saw the From A to Z "S" engines. I found a very interesting statement on page 35. "If you have an engine begin- ning with the letters T though Z, and would like it featured in A to Z, please send it to Gas Engine Magazine, 1503 S. W. 42nd St., Topeka, KS 66609; rbackur at ogdenpubs.com So, It appears like Richard Backus wants the engine sent to him so he can take pictures for GEM. I don't see any place here where it says you will get your engine back either. 8>))) I couldn't help it, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 26 12:27:44 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:27:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <2078.12.223.26.26.1196102323.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <2078.12.223.26.26.1196102323.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <8749EC9F-79B1-4F90-84A3-3FDDE537838B@alltel.net> Bill, Does this mean that you think the END is near? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 26, 2007, at 1:38 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > understanding > and common history and will bring us together in the end. > > Well done. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 26 12:42:12 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:42:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <8749EC9F-79B1-4F90-84A3-3FDDE537838B@alltel.net> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <2078.12.223.26.26.1196102323.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <8749EC9F-79B1-4F90-84A3-3FDDE537838B@alltel.net> Message-ID: <2422.12.223.26.26.1196109732.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Which end? The end of the year is near, the end of the day even nearer. Yes, I do - the end for people with closed minds............ > Bill, Does this mean that you think the END is near? > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Nov 26, 2007, at 1:38 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >> understanding >> and common history and will bring us together in the end. >> >> Well done. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Nov 26 14:57:20 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:57:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <003601c8307f$b3c8a4b0$97b5ecdc@Edd> Got one real good one.(Perkins side shaft)plus the rest all of which are rare here.This discussion is going great,keep it up blokes.OH and also I am still not getting all the messages through as some being answered are not showing up here. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM > Congratulations, Edd. Be sure to send pictures when you get 'em. I'm > a little curious about what kind of Yank engines would be better than > some nice English engines. > > You're right about the attention that foreign engines can get. I > especially get a kick out of reading TOMM or SEM, and seeing the same > enthusiasm given toward nice local engines and common American > engines. The same is true here. > > Rob > > > > > On Nov 25, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > >> Hi Arnie.The letter is fantastic and says what most of us here think >> and >> feel.As you know I have several American engines that I have >> imported and >> have 5 more on the way.To get these I have had to sell some of my >> English >> oil engines so as to afford them.Some of my American engines are one >> offs in >> Australia and show people here a wider range of iron than otherwise >> available at shows.I personally have only exported one engine to the >> US and >> this was more of a swap deal .It got me a Mogul Jr and this little >> engine >> draws a lot of attention here as they were not sent here during there >> working life time. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Nov 26 16:46:23 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:46:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Phoenix Trip Pictures References: <6f6025160711251506s4d1a59c2l690243b1f4b55323@mail.gmail.com> <00cc01c82fbc$665baba0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <000801c8308e$f0f44a10$6500a8c0@home> Great Pictures , Very interesting , love the engines and planes , Thanks for sharing ! It would be great to put that Pratt & Whitney R-4360. on my burr mill ,. :-)) Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Waugh" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Phoenix Trip Pictures > Excellent pictures and getting them on the web > > Paul Waugh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: ; "Stationary-Engine" > > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:06 PM > Subject: [SEL] Phoenix Trip Pictures > > >> These are the start of the pictures we took on our visit to Phoenix: >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nov07USA/PimaMenu1.htm >> >> The engines at the GoldField Ghost Town mught be of interest, lots of >> old rusty iron in that place.... >> >> Picked up a B17 piston (1945 manufacture) at Falcon Field, could have >> had a complete conrod/master rod set as well, but too heavy for the >> luggage! They have various non-usable engine parts for sale in the >> museum shop. >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 26 17:38:08 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:38:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <003601c8307f$b3c8a4b0$97b5ecdc@Edd> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> <003601c8307f$b3c8a4b0$97b5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <474B7500.8060407@scrtc.com> Edd, Is it a horizontal or an upright Perkins? If its a horizontal, I'm going to join Mr. Gibbs line of thought..... I want our "heritage" in my shed not yours! Hey just kidding. Sounds like you have some nice toys headed your way. Tommy Turner Edd Payne wrote: >Got one real good one.(Perkins side shaft)plus the rest all of which are >rare here.This discussion is going great,keep it up blokes.OH and also I am >still not getting all the messages through as some being answered are not >showing up here. >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia >2852 >Phone:0263742387 >edsengns at optusnet.com.au >edsengns >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob Skinner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:33 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM > > > > >>Congratulations, Edd. Be sure to send pictures when you get 'em. I'm >>a little curious about what kind of Yank engines would be better than >>some nice English engines. >> >>You're right about the attention that foreign engines can get. I >>especially get a kick out of reading TOMM or SEM, and seeing the same >>enthusiasm given toward nice local engines and common American >>engines. The same is true here. >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >>On Nov 25, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Edd Payne wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Arnie.The letter is fantastic and says what most of us here think >>>and >>>feel.As you know I have several American engines that I have >>>imported and >>>have 5 more on the way.To get these I have had to sell some of my >>>English >>>oil engines so as to afford them.Some of my American engines are one >>>offs in >>>Australia and show people here a wider range of iron than otherwise >>>available at shows.I personally have only exported one engine to the >>>US and >>>this was more of a swap deal .It got me a Mogul Jr and this little >>>engine >>>draws a lot of attention here as they were not sent here during there >>>working life time. >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Nov 26 18:08:34 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:08:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> <003601c8307f$b3c8a4b0$97b5ecdc@Edd> <474B7500.8060407@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <005101c8309a$6b683f30$97b5ecdc@Edd> Hi Tommy.It is a vertical pumping engine with its pumping gears.It is complete and has been restored.The other engines are a 1.5hp Domestic side shaft,a 1.5hp Grey ,a 1.5hp Bates and Edmonds Bull Dog and the last is a ZD F/M that I got very cheap in a scrap yard just to save it from melt down.Also got an original Saw rig to fit my 6 hp Famous cart.This will make my engine complete.All this stuff is rare or non existent here inc the ZD but I will sell it on as I already have one and defiantly don't need two. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM > Edd, > Is it a horizontal or an upright Perkins? If its a horizontal, I'm > going to join Mr. Gibbs line of thought..... I want our "heritage" in my > shed not yours! Hey just kidding. Sounds like you have some nice toys > headed your way. > > Tommy Turner > > > > Edd Payne wrote: > >>Got one real good one.(Perkins side shaft)plus the rest all of which are >>rare here.This discussion is going great,keep it up blokes.OH and also I >>am >>still not getting all the messages through as some being answered are not >>showing up here. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Rob Skinner" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:33 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM >> >> >> >> >>>Congratulations, Edd. Be sure to send pictures when you get 'em. I'm >>>a little curious about what kind of Yank engines would be better than >>>some nice English engines. >>> >>>You're right about the attention that foreign engines can get. I >>>especially get a kick out of reading TOMM or SEM, and seeing the same >>>enthusiasm given toward nice local engines and common American >>>engines. The same is true here. >>> >>>Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Nov 25, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Edd Payne wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi Arnie.The letter is fantastic and says what most of us here think >>>>and >>>>feel.As you know I have several American engines that I have >>>>imported and >>>>have 5 more on the way.To get these I have had to sell some of my >>>>English >>>>oil engines so as to afford them.Some of my American engines are one >>>>offs in >>>>Australia and show people here a wider range of iron than otherwise >>>>available at shows.I personally have only exported one engine to the >>>>US and >>>>this was more of a swap deal .It got me a Mogul Jr and this little >>>>engine >>>>draws a lot of attention here as they were not sent here during there >>>>working life time. >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 27 07:48:38 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:48:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> Hi Peter, I'm not sure what your question is. The Portland Swap Meet is simply that--A SWAP MEET. Tulare is one hell of a SHOW that everyone should attend at least once in their life--it's a GOOD ONE! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 26, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 26/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: >> May 12-18. >> Dave >> > > Hi Dave: > > How does that compare datewise with the spring show in Tulare? > > Might be worth thinking about a spring vacation.... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 10:25:43 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:25:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> <42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com> On 27/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Peter, > I'm not sure what your question is. The Portland Swap Meet is simply > that--A SWAP MEET. Tulare is one hell of a SHOW that everyone should > attend at least once in their life--it's a GOOD ONE! > Dave > Sorry, Dave, I was just trying to see if we could get to do both in one trip, but they are too far apart in date terms for that to work. Agree about the Tulare show we have been there twice.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 27 11:29:38 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:29:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com><42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I find it hard to believe that this swap meet goes on for 7 days. Who on this list goes to the Portland swap meet, and which days or for how many days do you go? Is the swap meet really any better than what is available in the vendor area during the August show? 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From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 27 12:05:44 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:05:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com><42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> George, I've been to every swap meet at Portland since they began. Sometimes I've been there 3 or 4 days, other times only 1 day. Its a large swap meet but like all others, it has migrated away from the antique engines and tractors somewhat and you see more and more lawn and garden tractors and the like there. I don't think it compares to the swap/sell area at the Portland show. If I were going to attend, I would say the Wed - Thurs. time frame is best. A lot of folks are there on Monday but people are still "feeling" one another out and I usually don't see much dealing going on (that is unless a bargin rolls in which is almost non existent today). By Wed. more folks and iron rolls in and everyone seems to be in more of a "swap" mood. All the swaps were much better 15 years ago than today. I used to go to Waukee every year and it was super until about 2000 or so (hey, I can remember buying an 8 HP cam stopper Field Brundage there in the mid 90's for less than $3000!). The last time I went, in 2002 I think, I bought one oiler. Not worth the trip. Considering that we're now having to deal with $3 a gallon gas (and $3.40 a gallon diesel), that could be closer to $4 a gallon by May, a 1000 mile trip (500 each way) and 3 or 4 overnight stays will cost around $700 just for the trip. Throw in a few good meals and some misc. costs and you won't be far from 1000 bucks. This is for a 1000 mile trip. Your trip will be about 5000 miles (2500 each way). Unless your truck gets over 20 mpg, you're going to spend close to $1000 for fuel alone. I want you to come as I'd like to see you again, share some stories, eat a hamburger (or better yet a steak) together, etc. I'm not sure coming for the engines and parts alone will make it worthwhile. But, thats the good thing about the old iron. There's a lot more to it than iron. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I find it hard to believe that this swap meet goes on for 7 days. > >Who on this list goes to the Portland swap meet, and which days or for >how many days do you go? > >Is the swap meet really any better than what is available in the vendor >area during the August show? > > >This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Nov 27 12:32:07 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:32:07 -0000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com><42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <05f301c83134$959ddb30$8335c53e@doc> > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Judge Tommy Turner > Sent: 27 November 2007 20:06 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates > > ... > Considering that we're now having to deal with $3 a > gallon gas (and > $3.40 a gallon diesel), that could be closer to $4 a gallon by May, > ... Gas in my nearest pump has just gone past $9.00 a US gallon for diesel. $4 - luxury! All the best Pete -- Peter Scales From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 27 13:34:53 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:34:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com><42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Groan.... BTW folks, that's one reason to NOT look at back issues of GEM from the 60's and 70's. Reading the For Sale ads will make you cry... See ya, Arnie PS - Tommy? Wanna double your money on that Field Brundage? 8-)) On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > All the swaps were much better 15 years ago than today. I used to > go to Waukee every year and it was super until about 2000 or so (hey, I > can remember buying an 8 HP cam stopper Field Brundage there in the mid > 90's for less than $3000!). From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 27 13:02:18 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:02:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com><42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <474C85DA.9080708@scrtc.com> Arnie, Sounds like I made a good investment. If something were to happen to me I'm sure my wife would be glad to get rid of it for what I paid for it! (when I bought it she walked up when I paid the guy $200 to hold it for me...... she never knew he had more coming) Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky >Groan.... BTW folks, that's one reason to NOT look at back issues of GEM >from the 60's and 70's. Reading the For Sale ads will make you cry... > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Tommy? Wanna double your money on that Field Brundage? 8-)) > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 27 13:11:06 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <05f301c83134$959ddb30$8335c53e@doc> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com><42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> <05f301c83134$959ddb30$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <474C87EA.8020005@scrtc.com> We've got it good! (not just as good as we used to). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >>Judge Tommy Turner >>Sent: 27 November 2007 20:06 >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates >> >>... >> Considering that we're now having to deal with $3 a >>gallon gas (and >>$3.40 a gallon diesel), that could be closer to $4 a gallon by May, >>... >> >> > >Gas in my nearest pump has just gone past $9.00 a US gallon for diesel. > >$4 - luxury! > >All the best > > Pete > > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 27 13:15:04 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:15:04 EST Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates Message-ID: In a message dated 11/27/2007 4:04:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: when I bought it she walked up when I paid the guy $200 to hold it for me...... she never knew he had more coming) Tommy, A couple of years ago I went to a sporting goods store closeout. Ended up with an over/under 20g shotgun at dealer cost of $1500. When I went to pay for it I discovered that I did not have that much in cash and had to use the credit card. Since Millie pays the bills, there was no way to hide that purchase causing some grief. Moral of the story, carry more cash! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From Frank at lbpinc.com Tue Nov 27 14:33:51 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed Message-ID: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> Hi I am doing the CAD design for a guy who makes high tech hammers. I am familiar with plastic mold making but this lost wax mold design is new to me. I want to design the part and have someone else design the mold. Does any one know a good wax mold designer? They must be able to work from 3D CAD models Thanks Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 27 15:43:26 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:43:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed In-Reply-To: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: Hi Frank, These folks are the best working with wax!! http://www.madame-tussauds.co.uk/index.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Tussauds See ya, Arnie On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Frank DeWitt wrote: > Does any one know a good wax mold designer? From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 27 14:52:56 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:52:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed In-Reply-To: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905315CB9@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Could you show us an example of a high tech hammer? Just curious so I'll know the difference between the high tech and the low tech ones ;-) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Frank DeWitt Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:34 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed Hi I am doing the CAD design for a guy who makes high tech hammers. I am familiar with plastic mold making but this lost wax mold design is new to me. I want to design the part and have someone else design the mold. Does any one know a good wax mold designer? They must be able to work from 3D CAD models Thanks Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members /frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From Frank at lbpinc.com Tue Nov 27 15:05:06 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:05:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed Message-ID: <20071127230600.1175958CDB@gw1.nlenet.net> And I thought Nuclear engineers didn't have a practical side. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost-wax_casting Thanks Arnie Frank Hi Frank, These folks are the best working with wax!! http://www.madame-tussauds.co.uk/index.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Tussauds See ya, Arnie On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Frank DeWitt wrote: > Does any one know a good wax mold designer? +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From Frank at lbpinc.com Tue Nov 27 15:00:29 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:00:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed Message-ID: <20071127230559.A685158C9A@gw1.nlenet.net> Could you show us an example of a high tech hammer? Just curious so I'll know the difference between the high tech and the low tech ones ;-) Sure, I am quite proud to be working with this guy. Here is the web site. BTW They look nice but the high tech comes in when you use them with the side pull, the side striking face, the chisel end, and if you need to change the handle it just bolts on. http://douglastool.com/ Frank From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue Nov 27 15:17:31 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:17:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed In-Reply-To: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <474CA58B.6030502@xplornet.com> Hello Frank, I beg ignorance. What is a "high tech hammer"? How does it differ from any hammer Snap-On will have in their catalog? I've played around with lost wax casting a bit. There are some professional lost was casters on the "casting" group on Yahoo . Rupert Frank DeWitt wrote: > Hi I am doing the CAD design for a guy who makes high tech hammers. I > am familiar with plastic mold making but this lost wax mold design is > new to me. I want to design the part and have someone else design the > mold. Does any one know a good wax mold designer? They must be able to > work from 3D CAD models > > Thanks > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1153 - Release Date: 11/26/2007 9:08 PM -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Nov 27 16:04:59 2007 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:04:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Update on Bill Miller Message-ID: Hi Paul and everyone, This is Randy. I finally sat down last night and went through Dad's email (around 380) since it was about 1:00 am I just didn't feel up to sending a reply. Dad is spending his days in his chair, sleeping most of the time. He's taking steroids so his appetite is still pretty good and he's eating well. If he wakes up on his own he usually knows what's going on, his eyes are bright and he can sometimes get out what he wants to say. If he's sleepy or gets woken up is when it's the worst. Family and friends have been coming by and when he wakes up he's very glad to see everyone. We were able to get private 24 hr help and it's been much better on everyone. We're just taking it one day at a time, and praising God for each one of those little grins Dad give out now and then. Thanks for the kind words and especially for the prayers. I'm going to leave Dad on the list so I can keep up with what's going on. Thanks again, Randy Miller **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 27 16:40:23 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:40:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed References: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <005701c83157$4385ff30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> That aint Stiletto is it ? > Hi I am doing the CAD design for a guy who makes high tech > hammers. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Nov 27 19:18:42 2007 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:18:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates Message-ID: <410-220071132831842671@earthlink.net> I think that last year will be the last time I will go to Waukee, it took 3 hours to drive there and less than one hour to go through the whole place and buy nothing. Didn't see anything worth bringing home. 10 years ago it would take a hard 8 hours to walk through it and load many things in the back of the truck. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Judge Tommy Turner > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 11/27/2007 2:09:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates > > All the swaps were much better 15 years ago than today. I used to > go to Waukee every year and it was super until about 2000 or so > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From kimmell at verizon.net Tue Nov 27 20:53:39 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:53:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0JS7009699IGY4U0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Thank God I'm the one who handles the bills and checkbook in this house... my wife would kill me if she knew what I spent on some of these old cars and engines!! -Tony At 03:15 PM 11/27/2007, you wrote: >A couple of years ago I went to a sporting goods store closeout. Ended up >with an over/under 20g shotgun at dealer cost of $1500. When I went >to pay for >it I discovered that I did not have that much in cash and had to use the >credit card. Since Millie pays the bills, there was no way to hide >that purchase >causing some grief. Moral of the story, carry more cash! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Nov 27 21:40:37 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:40:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates References: <0JS7009699IGY4U0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <017e01c83181$4cbdf9c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> This thread is going to sort the wimps from the men!!! Ha! My shed pays for itself. It has its own 'Playmoney tin' I want it, I buy it. New lathe, mill, USA trip, whatever. Zilch to do with the 'house money' Go on, eat yer hearts out! Good planning! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates > Thank God I'm the one who handles the bills and checkbook in this > house... my wife would kill me if she knew what I spent on some of > these old cars and engines!! > > -Tony > > > At 03:15 PM 11/27/2007, you wrote: >>A couple of years ago I went to a sporting goods store closeout. Ended up >>with an over/under 20g shotgun at dealer cost of $1500. When I went >>to pay for >>it I discovered that I did not have that much in cash and had to use the >>credit card. Since Millie pays the bills, there was no way to hide >>that purchase >>causing some grief. Moral of the story, carry more cash! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Nov 27 21:41:48 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:41:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates References: <0JS7009699IGY4U0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <017f01c83181$62e5f900$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> This thread is going to sort the wimps from the men!!! Ha! My shed pays for itself. It has its own 'Playmoney tin' I want it, I buy it. New lathe, mill, USA trip, whatever. Zilch to do with the 'house money' Go on, eat yer hearts out! (Now, where can I buy some years?) Good planning! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates > Thank God I'm the one who handles the bills and checkbook in this > house... my wife would kill me if she knew what I spent on some of > these old cars and engines!! > > -Tony > > > At 03:15 PM 11/27/2007, you wrote: >>A couple of years ago I went to a sporting goods store closeout. Ended up >>with an over/under 20g shotgun at dealer cost of $1500. When I went >>to pay for >>it I discovered that I did not have that much in cash and had to use the >>credit card. Since Millie pays the bills, there was no way to hide >>that purchase >>causing some grief. Moral of the story, carry more cash! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Nov 28 17:20:39 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:20:39 EST Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates Message-ID: In a message dated 11/28/2007 12:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: This thread is going to sort the wimps from the men!!! Reg, Did you have to send me that same email twice and really rub it in????? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 28 17:49:57 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:49:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D6DEE06-D937-4647-81D0-9CF62D50D4D4@alltel.net> Many (MOST) of Reg's posts come in twice. It's just something with which we all need to live! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 28, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/28/2007 12:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: > > This thread is going to sort the wimps from the men!!! > > Reg, > > Did you have to send me that same email twice and really rub it > in????? > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of > 2007's hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? > NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Nov 28 19:39:21 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:39:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates References: <2D6DEE06-D937-4647-81D0-9CF62D50D4D4@alltel.net> Message-ID: <01d201c8323b$4adc25e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ive taken it up with the server. I get batches of mail x 6 now annd then. Never been given a good reason for it. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates > Many (MOST) of Reg's posts come in twice. It's just something with > which we all need to live! > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Nov 28, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 11/28/2007 12:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: >> >> This thread is going to sort the wimps from the men!!! >> >> Reg, >> >> Did you have to send me that same email twice and really rub it >> in????? >> >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. >> Germoamer at aol.com >> >> >> >> **************************************Check out AOL's list of >> 2007's hottest >> products. >> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? >> NCID=aoltop00030000000001) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 29 02:10:04 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:10:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: <20071129100941.KEXC19013.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I hope to see a few list members at the Young Rally on the weekend. Some pics from the last one: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y051.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 29 02:48:02 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:48:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally References: <20071129100941.KEXC19013.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003701c83275$586251a0$97b5ecdc@Edd> I will be there .All loaded and ready to go tomorrow morning .See you there. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Young Rally >I hope to see a few list members at the Young Rally on the weekend. > Some pics from the last one: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y051.html > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From brock at netspeed.com.au Thu Nov 29 03:58:08 2007 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:58:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: <474ea950.161.14b0.1215358165@netspeed.com.au> G,day Patrick see ya there it will be a good weekend ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:10:04 +1100 > I hope to see a few list members at the Young Rally on the > weekend. Some pics from the last one: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y051.html > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Nov 29 09:25:59 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:25:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! Message-ID: <200711291931687.SM01864@Laptop.databak.co.za> Hi All, A new lump of rust followed me home yesterday - it's a lot bigger and heavier than the rusty things I usually collect but it was given to me and at that price I decided to keep it. It's a 12 H.P. Witte Horizontal Diesel. I'm not sure of the manufacturing date (or even the "Type") and would appreciate some help. I've put some pics here if you would care to look: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Nov 29 09:56:17 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:56:17 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! In-Reply-To: <200711291931687.SM01864@Laptop.databak.co.za> References: <200711291931687.SM01864@Laptop.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <08b801c832b1$246f6720$8335c53e@doc> Hi Jerry I am guessing that the tank is a diesel tank, and that the missing pump is part of the injection gear, just going on the 'look' of things. I'm sorry, but I don't know these engines at all. All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jerry Evans > Sent: 29 November 2007 17:26 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! > > Hi All, > A new lump of rust followed me home yesterday - it's > a lot bigger > and heavier than the rusty things I usually collect but it > was given to me > and at that price I decided to keep it. > > It's a 12 H.P. Witte Horizontal Diesel. I'm not sure of the > manufacturing date (or even the "Type") and would appreciate > some help. > > I've put some pics here if you would care to look: > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). > ***************** > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rholtzer at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 16:45:34 2007 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:45:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! In-Reply-To: <08b801c832b1$246f6720$8335c53e@doc> References: <200711291931687.SM01864@Laptop.databak.co.za> <08b801c832b1$246f6720$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: My Witte has an automotive type fuel pump that runs off an ecentric on the crankshaft. The two bolts in the picture mount the pump. A rod (?) comes up through the top of the casting (the bolt or whatever -- I can't tell from the picture). At any rate it is connected to the fuel pump arm and allows manual priming of the fuel system - a real essential for bleeding the injector system! The injector pump sits more or less over the crank just in front of the fuel pump and runs off the cam drive -- the drive gear can be seen in the "big end" close up of Jerry's pictures. I don't see a tank -- there is an oil filter. It is automotive size. Oil is pressure fed to the valves and main bearings. On my engine there is an external oil pump on the side of the engine in front of the crank. I think there is a pump on Jerry's engine -- barely visible in the "big end" picture. Bob Holtzer, Sacramento At 09:56 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote: >Hi Jerry > >I am guessing that the tank is a diesel tank, and that the missing pump is >part of the injection gear, just going on the 'look' of things. I'm sorry, >but I don't know these engines at all. > >All the best > > Pete >-- >Peter Scales > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Jerry Evans > > Sent: 29 November 2007 17:26 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! > > > > Hi All, > > A new lump of rust followed me home yesterday - it's > > a lot bigger > > and heavier than the rusty things I usually collect but it > > was given to me > > and at that price I decided to keep it. > > > > It's a 12 H.P. Witte Horizontal Diesel. I'm not sure of the > > manufacturing date (or even the "Type") and would appreciate > > some help. > > > > I've put some pics here if you would care to look: > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). > > ***************** > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > See: > > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > or learn how to finish off your plates > > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rholtzer at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 16:25:06 2007 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:25:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! In-Reply-To: <200711291931687.SM01864@Laptop.databak.co.za> References: <200711291931687.SM01864@Laptop.databak.co.za> Message-ID: The 12 hp Witte is similar to the Arrow Engine Company CD generator engine -- www.arrowspecialty.com. These generating systems are still in use. I have a 12hp with 8kva generator. These engines may have a radiator cooling system with a large tub-shaped casting that mounts on top of the cylinder and a radiator mounted on the casting. Belt drive fan from a pulley that bolts on a flywheel. Or they can have an external cooling system of some type -- my engine had the radiator casting but had been plumbed for external water supply. I have since installed a Susuki Samari radiator and electric fan. The flywheel in one of your pictures seems somewhat less massive than the ones on my engine. Might suggest the engine was not used for electrical generation -- I don't know. At any rate, they are a fun old piece of heavy iron and the "chug - chug" is a delight to hear. Several Wittes were on display at Tulare a few years back -- mostly the smaller ones. Bob Holtzer, Sacramento, CA At 09:25 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote: >Hi All, > A new lump of rust followed me home yesterday - it's a lot bigger >and heavier than the rusty things I usually collect but it was given to me >and at that price I decided to keep it. > > It's a 12 H.P. Witte Horizontal Diesel. I'm not sure of the >manufacturing date (or even the "Type") and would appreciate some help. > > I've put some pics here if you would care to look: > > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >(Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). > ***************** >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >See: >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm >or learn how to finish off your plates >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From farmall36 at vci.net Thu Nov 29 21:05:43 2007 From: farmall36 at vci.net (farmall36 at vci.net) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:05:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT- Massey-Harris parts wanted References: <000c01c82b1c$fb30fef0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH><00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> <4744B166.8090001@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <006e01c8330e$b1725d00$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Will the manifold work off a MH 30 ? Let me know I have a pair of old MH 30s out to pasture. Kevin Mosier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rupert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: [SEL] OT- Massey-Harris parts wanted > Hello Group, > Sorry for posting this here but I'm sure many of you are knowledgeable > on tractors too. > My bother-in-Law is looking for a manifold for a Massey-Harris tractor. > The M-H 555 has the same engine. The engine is a J382 Continental. The > casting number is J382608. He would appreciate any leads to obtaining a > new or used one. A used one preferred. > A Canadian source is the best but we will be happy to hear of any source. > > Thanks in advance. > Rupert > -- > yvt > > Rupert Wenig > Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > > email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > > http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Fri Nov 30 09:00:24 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:00:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT- Massey-Harris parts wanted In-Reply-To: <006e01c8330e$b1725d00$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <000c01c82b1c$fb30fef0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH><00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> <4744B166.8090001@xplornet.com> <006e01c8330e$b1725d00$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <475041A8.5050701@xplornet.com> Hello Kevin, I will check but I think the MH30 uses a different engine. The MH55 uses a Continental J382. Thanks for checking. Rupert farmall36 at vci.net wrote: > Will the manifold work off a MH 30 ? > Let me know I have a pair of old MH 30s out to pasture. > Kevin Mosier > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rupert" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:29 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT- Massey-Harris parts wanted > > >> Hello Group, >> Sorry for posting this here but I'm sure many of you are knowledgeable >> on tractors too. >> My bother-in-Law is looking for a manifold for a Massey-Harris tractor. >> The M-H 555 has the same engine. The engine is a J382 Continental. The >> casting number is J382608. He would appreciate any leads to obtaining a >> new or used one. A used one preferred. >> A Canadian source is the best but we will be happy to hear of any source. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> Rupert >> -- >> yvt >> >> Rupert Wenig >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. >> >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> >> http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 30 11:05:51 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:05:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting critter, Jerry. The oil filter can appears identical to the one on my '51 Plymouth. I've seen these pumping oil in the outback of Texas.Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i?m Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Nov 30 22:43:42 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:43:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine info Message-ID: <002701c833e5$ccb9b8b0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All The pictures I sent some time back of an engine to identify has sort of drawn a blank, with two suggestions. The guy who owns it is away but he said the engine No. is D101, does that ring any bells to what make it is. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Nov 30 22:58:32 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:58:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine info References: <002701c833e5$ccb9b8b0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <005501c833e7$95d8bb50$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All Forget the last post on the Mystery engine, I was having a senior's moment and was one email ahead of myself Peter, Oz > Hi All > The pictures I sent some time back of an engine to identify has sort of > drawn a blank, with two suggestions. > The guy who owns it is away but he said the engine No. is D101, does that > ring any bells to what make it is. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 1 04:59:57 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 05:59:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: I would think heavy scraping at first and then lapping compound for the final, similiar to what they do with a valve. JB and others, Would you consider using this compound in a grease cup? RickinMt. Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy; > Heard about this for quite some time now from a friend, who's friend uses > it > on Model A's and such. > > Has anyone tried this and if so, did you have the warm fuzzy feelin'? > > http://www.newmantools.com/lapping/time.htm > > RickinMt. === This (or similar) was around here, in Australia, in the 1950s when I was an apprentice in a powerhouse. The old tradesmen preferred to hand-scrape the white-metal (babbit) bearings, which they could do much more quickly. However I experimented with it later when I had a power house of my own, but it was slow, especially as I took special precautions to wash all remnants away afterwards. I believe the abrasive material was pumice. JW? === _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 05:28:04 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:28:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Major Website Revisions Message-ID: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> We have had to make some major changes to the website as the number of pages climbs towards 7000. There is a new menu page in existence (not the one that is showing at present) and a lot of the items that were 'buried' in sub-menus have been given their own menu icon and sub-directory. The new menu page has five-across icons against four before, and we can go to six-across if need be. This has been going on for a few weeks now, and we hope to make the change-over in the next 7-10 days, but a lot of bookmarked items will no longer work as the directories they are in will cease to exist. The changes will mainly affect the following sections:- Technical (Engine dating, factory data sheets etc) Engine dating has been taken out to a new directory and the factory data sheets have been split into manufacturer's sections for Lister, Petter, Rootes-Lister etc. The Technical directory will cease to exist after the changes. Carburettors (Solex, Zenith, Stromberg etc) Each maker has its own section and menu icon, the Carburettor directory will cease to exist. The Old Carbs section is NOT affected. Magnetos Each manufacturer now has its own directory and menu icon, it was starting to get a bit crowded in there! The Magneto directory will cease to exist. Injection (CAV, Ambac. etc) CAV information has been split into Electrical and Injection sections, American Bosch has been given a new section and Icon. The injection menu will cease to exist. Once we are somewhere near, and have tested it all (or as much as we can!) we will change over to the new menu but will leave the old directories in place for a couple of weeks before they are deleted. The new menus will not point to the old stuff any more by then, but we hope that this will give folks time to pick up their favourite items with the minimum of trouble. As always we will help anyone who has 'lost' their link in the change. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 05:36:40 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:36:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Major Website Revisions In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711010536y7251f3b7udee359e8395abb68@mail.gmail.com> On 01/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have had to make some major changes to the website I meant to include a couple of examples of what is already in place: DATING: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/techdata.htm CARBURETTORS http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/SolexCarbs/SolexCarb.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 1 06:44:45 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:44:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound In-Reply-To: References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> Rick, When I use lapping compound on bushings for our forging machines here at work, I remove the cap and place a small amount of the compound at the point along the bushing & shaft where the bearing is tight. I place it at the junction between the shaft and edge of the bearing, where the shaft rotation will sweep the compound into the bearing. I then put the cap back on loose and fit a large funnel to the oil inlet. Then run the machine and slowly pour about a quart of oil (320 vis) thru the funnel, literally attempting to wash the compound, and the wearing away bearing material out of the bearing. I use diamond lapping compound (5 micron) and it works in seconds, so getting it back out of the bearing is of paramount importance, otherwise a low bearing results. This process is on 660 brass bushings. I have never tried on babbitt bearings. They claim it does not imbed in the babbitt, but that would sure be my concern. I lean very strongly to "scraping" the high spots away on babbitt. Babbitt is SO easy to work with, one could almost get the "lazy" title associated to their name if they aren't will to invest a minimal bit of time scraping in soft babbitt bearings. I don't even use official scrapers on babbitt, just hit the high spots with a very course rat tail file. This works great and is fast. Curt Richard Strobel wrote: > I would think heavy scraping at first and then lapping compound for the > final, similiar to what they do with a valve. > > JB and others, Would you consider using this compound in a grease cup? > > RickinMt. > > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > >> Howdy; >> Heard about this for quite some time now from a friend, who's friend uses >> it >> on Model A's and such. >> >> Has anyone tried this and if so, did you have the warm fuzzy feelin'? >> >> http://www.newmantools.com/lapping/time.htm >> >> RickinMt. >> > === > This (or similar) was around here, in Australia, in the 1950s when I was > an apprentice in a powerhouse. > > The old tradesmen preferred to hand-scrape the white-metal (babbit) > bearings, which they could do much more quickly. However I experimented > with it later when I had a power house of my own, but it was slow, > especially as I took special precautions to wash all remnants away > afterwards. > > I believe the abrasive material was pumice. > > JW? > === > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Nov 1 07:00:25 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:00:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Major Website Revisions In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711010536y7251f3b7udee359e8395abb68@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160711010536y7251f3b7udee359e8395abb68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4729DBF9.6010202@scrtc.com> Great work Peter! Thanks for your dedication to the hobby. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >On 01/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > > >>We have had to make some major changes to the website >> >> > >I meant to include a couple of examples of what is already in place: > >DATING: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/techdata.htm > >CARBURETTORS >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/SolexCarbs/SolexCarb.htm > >Peter > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Nov 1 07:12:00 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:12:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound In-Reply-To: <4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> <4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4729DEB0.5010903@scrtc.com> Curt, I'm curious how many folks have used the method that I have for crank bearings. I have made bronze bushings and then seat them with babbit into the journal. It makes a nice bearing surface and there is no scraping or lapping needed. It takes time to do it and probably is not any less time consuming than the old fashioned way but I've never trusted my scraping ability as much as I'd like. I'm like you, it looks like having the remnants of the compound potentially embedded in the babbitt could cause some big issues down the line. The only way I see that it wouldn't would be if its somehow degradable but I don't see how it would be a very effective lapping compound if it was. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Rick, >When I use lapping compound on bushings for our forging machines here at >work, I remove the cap and place a small amount of the compound at the >point along the bushing & shaft where the bearing is tight. I place it >at the junction between the shaft and edge of the bearing, where the >shaft rotation will sweep the compound into the bearing. I then put the >cap back on loose and fit a large funnel to the oil inlet. Then run the >machine and slowly pour about a quart of oil (320 vis) thru the funnel, >literally attempting to wash the compound, and the wearing away bearing >material out of the bearing. I use diamond lapping compound (5 micron) >and it works in seconds, so getting it back out of the bearing is of >paramount importance, otherwise a low bearing results. >This process is on 660 brass bushings. I have never tried on babbitt >bearings. They claim it does not imbed in the babbitt, but that would >sure be my concern. I lean very strongly to "scraping" the high spots >away on babbitt. Babbitt is SO easy to work with, one could almost get >the "lazy" title associated to their name if they aren't will to invest >a minimal bit of time scraping in soft babbitt bearings. I don't even >use official scrapers on babbitt, just hit the high spots with a very >course rat tail file. This works great and is fast. >Curt > > > > > > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 1 07:12:02 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:12:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> <4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> Message-ID: What comes to mind Curt,, and Elden and the Doc might remember is the old cleaner used on TV rotary tuners. First it was a mild abrasive, then polished and I believe lube might have been the last result....might need help on the lube part :-)) If in fact this compound did the above, I would be willing to try it on some babbitt....diamond would be a definete no-no with babbitt, IMO. What I've got now is a super heavy single throw crank with the rod throw radius' out of whack and un-even. The rod throw mates to bronze inserts which show evidence of the un-even radius' (sP). I'm thinkin' a visit to the crank Doc in Missoula is in order. He did a great job on the Gal after the wreck. and Jack might be right..I was impressed on how forgiving pumice is to porcelain....very hard water deposits here. Will do more research with the guy that uses it on his Model A's. Take care...warm fall here so far....priority now is wings on the snowplow....aaarrghhh. Rick Rick, When I use lapping compound on bushings for our forging machines here at work, I remove the cap and place a small amount of the compound at the point along the bushing & shaft where the bearing is tight. I place it at the junction between the shaft and edge of the bearing, where the shaft rotation will sweep the compound into the bearing. I then put the cap back on loose and fit a large funnel to the oil inlet. Then run the machine and slowly pour about a quart of oil (320 vis) thru the funnel, literally attempting to wash the compound, and the wearing away bearing material out of the bearing. I use diamond lapping compound (5 micron) and it works in seconds, so getting it back out of the bearing is of paramount importance, otherwise a low bearing results. This process is on 660 brass bushings. I have never tried on babbitt bearings. They claim it does not imbed in the babbitt, but that would sure be my concern. I lean very strongly to "scraping" the high spots away on babbitt. Babbitt is SO easy to work with, one could almost get the "lazy" title associated to their name if they aren't will to invest a minimal bit of time scraping in soft babbitt bearings. I don't even use official scrapers on babbitt, just hit the high spots with a very course rat tail file. This works great and is fast. Curt From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 07:45:41 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (JIM KIRKES) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:45:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> <4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007e01c81c95$e0d724c0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> I find impossible to believe that the lapping compound will not imbed in the bearing. It has to imbed in something or it won't cut. The most likely place is in the softer material. Does anybody have some info as to way it does not imbed and if so how does it cut? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Thu Nov 1 08:42:46 2007 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:42:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au> <4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> This sounds very similar to the old "Bon-Ami" kitchen cleanser trick. Mechanics used to pour it into a fast running engine's air intake to help seat in a new ring job. It laps, but breaks down quickly into finer and finer particles. I think I'd want a thorough cleaning afterwards, no matter what the use. I forget what the mineral is, but there is either pumice or some type of feldspar in Bon-Ami. Regards; Jim Mackessy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound > What comes to mind Curt,, and Elden and the Doc might remember is the old > cleaner used on TV rotary tuners. First it was a mild abrasive, then > polished and I believe lube might have been the last result....might need > help on the lube part :-)) > > If in fact this compound did the above, I would be willing to try it on > some babbitt....diamond would be a definete no-no with babbitt, IMO. > > What I've got now is a super heavy single throw crank with the rod throw > radius' out of whack and un-even. The rod throw mates to bronze inserts > which show evidence of the un-even radius' (sP). I'm thinkin' a visit to > the crank Doc in Missoula is in order. He did a great job on the Gal after > the wreck. > > and Jack might be right..I was impressed on how forgiving pumice is to > porcelain....very hard water deposits here. > > > Will do more research with the guy that uses it on his Model A's. > > > Take care...warm fall here so far....priority now is wings on the > snowplow....aaarrghhh. > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick, > When I use lapping compound on bushings for our forging machines here at > work, I remove the cap and place a small amount of the compound at the > point along the bushing & shaft where the bearing is tight. I place it > at the junction between the shaft and edge of the bearing, where the > shaft rotation will sweep the compound into the bearing. I then put the > cap back on loose and fit a large funnel to the oil inlet. Then run the > machine and slowly pour about a quart of oil (320 vis) thru the funnel, > literally attempting to wash the compound, and the wearing away bearing > material out of the bearing. I use diamond lapping compound (5 micron) > and it works in seconds, so getting it back out of the bearing is of > paramount importance, otherwise a low bearing results. > This process is on 660 brass bushings. I have never tried on babbitt > bearings. They claim it does not imbed in the babbitt, but that would > sure be my concern. I lean very strongly to "scraping" the high spots > away on babbitt. Babbitt is SO easy to work with, one could almost get > the "lazy" title associated to their name if they aren't will to invest > a minimal bit of time scraping in soft babbitt bearings. I don't even > use official scrapers on babbitt, just hit the high spots with a very > course rat tail file. This works great and is fast. > Curt > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 1 08:13:58 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:13:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au><4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> <007e01c81c95$e0d724c0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: Jim..take a look at this: http://www.newmantools.com/lapping/timesaver_booklet.pdf and JB uses it...that's good enuf for me... Regards, Rick > I find impossible to believe that the lapping compound will > not imbed in the bearing. It has to imbed in something or > it won't cut. The most likely place is in the softer > material. Does anybody have some info as to way it does not > imbed and if so how does it cut? > > Jim From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 1 08:17:55 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:17:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound References: <47291337.2010405@optusnet.com.au><4729D84D.9010500@imc-group.com> <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: I remember that Jim. It was the factory fix on Chevy 265's. Think it was a teaspoon down the carb. Rick > This sounds very similar to the old "Bon-Ami" kitchen cleanser trick. > Mechanics used to pour it into a fast running engine's air intake to help > seat in a new ring job. It laps, but breaks down quickly into finer and > finer particles. I think I'd want a thorough cleaning afterwards, no > matter > what the use. I forget what the mineral is, but there is either pumice or > some type of feldspar in Bon-Ami. > Regards; > Jim Mackessy From jbcast at charter.net Thu Nov 1 15:47:58 2007 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:47:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt Lapping Compound In-Reply-To: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: <20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09> I use the yellow time saver, medium grit. It will dull the shaft but does not cut the steel. I tried the green one time and it cut the steel. After use I clean everything and polish the shaft. We use this on antique two cycle marine engines where crankcase seal is accomplished by bearng fit, no seals, and it's critical to have a good fit. These engines are run in boats under load with no problems. J.B. Castagnos From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 19:34:14 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:34:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09> References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Hello Group, New Member here. Today I took delivery of my (new) Mity Kat. Serial # 436 Motor # 1172831 At first glance, it looks complete and might even run after some clean-up. I'll most likely be needing help and advice. Thank you, Pat in New Jersey From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 19:59:29 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:59:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09> <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <006a01c81cfc$6365a040$0201a8c0@Pasquale> I found a letter from the factory that this Mity Kat was built in 1954. Thank you, Pat in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:34 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: *** Mity Kat *** Hello Group, New Member here. Today I took delivery of my (new) Mity Kat. Serial # 436 Motor # 1172831 At first glance, it looks complete and might even run after some clean-up. I'll most likely be needing help and advice. Thank you, Pat in New Jersey From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 20:15:09 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:15:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09> <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <007301c81cfe$93b08830$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Group, I may not have made this clear. The Mity Kat is (New) (New to me). Now brand New. Pat in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:34 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: *** Mity Kat *** Hello Group, New Member here. Today I took delivery of my (new) Mity Kat. Serial # 436 Motor # 1172831 At first glance, it looks complete and might even run after some clean-up. I'll most likely be needing help and advice. Thank you, Pat in New Jersey From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 20:17:39 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:17:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <007301c81cfe$93b08830$0201a8c0@Pasquale> References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09> <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> <007301c81cfe$93b08830$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <007901c81cfe$ecc7b100$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Group, I may not have made this clear. The Mity Kat is (New) meaning (New to me). Not brand New. Pat in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:15 PM To: 'Pasquale Lombardi'; 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: *** Mity Kat *** Group, I may not have made this clear. The Mity Kat is (New) (New to me). Now brand New. Pat in NJ -----Original Message----- From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:34 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: *** Mity Kat *** Hello Group, New Member here. Today I took delivery of my (new) Mity Kat. Serial # 436 Motor # 1172831 At first glance, it looks complete and might even run after some clean-up. I'll most likely be needing help and advice. Thank you, Pat in New Jersey From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Thu Nov 1 20:52:29 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:52:29 +0900 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04><20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09><003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale><007301c81cfe$93b08830$0201a8c0@Pasquale> <007901c81cfe$ecc7b100$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <00b701c81d03$cd363b90$210110ac@service> What is a Mity Kat? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pasquale Lombardi" To: "'Pasquale Lombardi'" ; "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** > Group, > I may not have made this clear. > The Mity Kat is (New) meaning (New to me). > Not brand New. > Pat in NJ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:15 PM > To: 'Pasquale Lombardi'; 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: *** Mity Kat *** > > > Group, > I may not have made this clear. > The Mity Kat is (New) (New to me). > Now brand New. > Pat in NJ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:34 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: *** Mity Kat *** > > > Hello Group, > New Member here. > Today I took delivery of my (new) Mity Kat. > Serial # 436 > Motor # 1172831 > At first glance, it looks complete and might even run after some clean-up. > I'll most likely be needing help and advice. > Thank you, > Pat in New Jersey > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Nov 1 21:11:11 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:11:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04><20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09><003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale><007301c81cfe$93b08830$0201a8c0@Pasquale><007901c81cfe$ecc7b100$0201a8c0@Pasquale> <00b701c81d03$cd363b90$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <03ed01c81d06$e5702380$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Look it up in Google pics, Its a small dozer. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** > What is a Mity Kat? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pasquale Lombardi" > To: "'Pasquale Lombardi'" ; "'The SEL email > discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** > > >> Group, >> I may not have made this clear. >> The Mity Kat is (New) meaning (New to me). >> Not brand New. >> Pat in NJ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] >> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:15 PM >> To: 'Pasquale Lombardi'; 'The SEL email discussion list' >> Subject: RE: *** Mity Kat *** >> >> >> Group, >> I may not have made this clear. >> The Mity Kat is (New) (New to me). >> Now brand New. >> Pat in NJ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pasquale Lombardi [mailto:pasquale.nj at verizon.net] >> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:34 PM >> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >> Subject: *** Mity Kat *** >> >> >> Hello Group, >> New Member here. >> Today I took delivery of my (new) Mity Kat. >> Serial # 436 >> Motor # 1172831 >> At first glance, it looks complete and might even run after some >> clean-up. >> I'll most likely be needing help and advice. >> Thank you, >> Pat in New Jersey >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Thu Nov 1 22:22:43 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:22:43 +0900 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** References: <000c01c81c9d$dd711cc0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04><20071101184758.IIVJZ.13971.root@fepweb09><003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale><007301c81cfe$93b08830$0201a8c0@Pasquale><007901c81cfe$ecc7b100$0201a8c0@Pasquale><00b701c81d03$cd363b90$210110ac@service> <03ed01c81d06$e5702380$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00c501c81d10$65998020$210110ac@service> ok, thanks > Look it up in Google pics, Its a small dozer. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 1 23:48:55 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:48:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Recently finished engine Message-ID: <2346F198-9C5D-4D5C-8426-53007CFF5972@rustyiron.com> Here's the low down: http://engines.rustyiron.com/rider Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 05:17:44 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 05:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Recently finished engine In-Reply-To: <2346F198-9C5D-4D5C-8426-53007CFF5972@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <412306.24277.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rob, That is just too beautiful for words. How do you move that beast around? Right now I am going to get out a certain Hot Air DVD and play it again. Thanks much. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Rob Skinner wrote: Here's the low down: http://engines.rustyiron.com/rider Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From avanti_64 at juno.com Fri Nov 2 05:52:02 2007 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:52:02 GMT Subject: [SEL] Recently finished engine Message-ID: <20071102.085202.21365.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Congratulations...nice job! A ton of work I am sure. Joe Kelley _____________________________________________________________ Perfect Gifts for Mom. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iigfO2vlolQ4N2L1i1AmCVnQ6FH5xn0Q6L1wEUUC2fuKShl2V/ From dougedodge at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 08:06:09 2007 From: dougedodge at yahoo.com (DC) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <139598.3244.qm@web60613.mail.yahoo.com> These are great little dozers!!! Just don't see any here in the bluegrass state (Commonwealth for Judge Turner)!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 09:42:23 2007 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <847736.89976.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Pat is this a 2nd Mity Kat you just got or are you still working on the one you wrote me about earlier this year? I still need a Twin Disc MTU clutch for mine before it will be mobile again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 2 10:14:30 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:14:30 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Listeroid manufactuing video Message-ID: <002101c81d73$dc375f00$f04d0b52@intrepid> Just for John Culp. See http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_EDxV_rRc (passed on from the UK group) Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 2 10:57:23 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:57:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Listeroid manufactuing video In-Reply-To: <002101c81d73$dc375f00$f04d0b52@intrepid> References: <002101c81d73$dc375f00$f04d0b52@intrepid> Message-ID: <6129437B-A9EA-4989-8987-0B8CB8AD8654@alltel.net> Hi Dave, There is something familiar about those engines. Did they ever ship then with purple cooling tanks? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 2, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Dave Croft wrote: > Just for John Culp. > See http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_EDxV_rRc > (passed on from the UK group) > Dave Croft From Pasquale.NJ at verizon.net Fri Nov 2 11:11:15 2007 From: Pasquale.NJ at verizon.net (vze2my3w) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:11:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <847736.89976.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Same one. But now I have it in my posession. Thank you, Pat in NJ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Fuller & Johnson Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** Pat is this a 2nd Mity Kat you just got or are you still working on the one you wrote me about earlier this year? I still need a Twin Disc MTU clutch for mine before it will be mobile again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Fri Nov 2 18:48:59 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:48:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <139598.3244.qm@web60613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <003c01c81cf8$dc05e4a0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> <139598.3244.qm@web60613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c81dbb$b451aac0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Are there still parts available? Thank you, Pat in NJ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of DC Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:06 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** These are great little dozers!!! Just don't see any here in the bluegrass state (Commonwealth for Judge Turner)!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 11:05:15 2007 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <003b01c81dbb$b451aac0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Message-ID: <286908.88117.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The rear end is same as used on some Oliver crawlers and a few parts are available from the Oliver guys. Engine is a Hercules ZXB-3 and you can find some NOS stuff those around if you look. Clutch is a Twin Disc MTU and parts can be had by special order but are super super outragiously expensive. No other parts are available. No one in Medford, MA where these tractors were made can even remember the company. Pasquale Lombardi wrote: Are there still parts available? Thank you, Pat in NJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pasquale.nj at verizon.net Sat Nov 3 11:33:41 2007 From: pasquale.nj at verizon.net (Pasquale Lombardi) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:33:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** In-Reply-To: <286908.88117.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <003b01c81dbb$b451aac0$0201a8c0@Pasquale> <286908.88117.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00cb01c81e48$0efc6640$0201a8c0@Pasquale> Hi Mr. ? Thank you very much for your insight and email detailing the parts sources and cross references. That is the most information I have received. I really appreciate the list and it's members assistance. I am really new to this. I do have 3 hit and miss engines. Thank you, Pat in New Jersey -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Fuller & Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 2:05 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] *** Mity Kat *** The rear end is same as used on some Oliver crawlers and a few parts are available from the Oliver guys. Engine is a Hercules ZXB-3 and you can find some NOS stuff those around if you look. Clutch is a Twin Disc MTU and parts can be had by special order but are super super outragiously expensive. No other parts are available. No one in Medford, MA where these tractors were made can even remember the company. Pasquale Lombardi wrote: Are there still parts available? Thank you, Pat in NJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 12:05:35 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:05:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Major Website Revisions In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711031205l2188be16ma7c7e226f015c9de@mail.gmail.com> On 01/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have had to make some major changes to the website as the number of > pages climbs towards 7000. All running now. There will be a few odds and sods that we have missed/overlooked, but the new menu is installed along with the new sections. The old directories will remain for 2 weeks, then they will be deleted, so any bookmarked items in the old sections will be lost. Let me know if you come across any obvious bloomers please (no, not that kind, Dave R !) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 3 13:29:06 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:29:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RUSTON HORNSBY 8H CLASS H COLD STARTING OILENGINE Message-ID: Damn, Based on the Q&A dialog, I'll bet there's an interesting "back story" regarding THIS engine!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260176159225 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260176968411 See ya, Arnie From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 14:51:37 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] RUSTON HORNSBY 8H CLASS H COLD STARTING OILENGINE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <715594.12264.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not really, Arnie. It is just that the guy that questioned the seller didn't read very good. Then again it seems the seller doesn't know how to lay down a few simple facts. 1. I don't have this engine or any part of it. 2. When it was for sale before I went to look at it and took ten pictures. 3. What I am selling here are ten pictures of what you see here and some other bits. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan Arnie Fero wrote: Damn, Based on the Q&A dialog, I'll bet there's an interesting "back story" regarding THIS engine!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260176159225 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260176968411 See ya, Arnie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 3 16:32:27 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:32:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RUSTON HORNSBY 8H CLASS H COLD STARTING OILENGINE References: <715594.12264.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c81e71$cc0b00b0$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> He sold a whole grow room for a pound I'd venture that's not a bad deal . 260158206223 I know a guy that bid $28 k on an eBay vette but it turned out to the RIGHT TO BID on the vette He had that one anulled , and has yet to hear the end of it . From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 09:27:50 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 17:27:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Major Website Revisions In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711010528t4a93b747o80ea1a6500051ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711040927y348dce4u512ecedc2668bd0b@mail.gmail.com> On 01/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have had to make some major changes to the website A couple of folks have queried the variations between the page menus on the site, stating that they find different versions at different times, depending on where they are looking. So that it may help to clarify the matter:- there are 92 folders on the website, all but four are related to the site itself. Each folder has a copy of the main menu page, and that page is referenced back to the root menu for its icons but not the text on the page. The two main menus that you see when you go to the site through the normal links: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/index.htm and then: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/front.htm are ALWAYS the most up to date, and it will always be that way. The other 92 are updated approximately monthly, so they will always be behind in terms of relevancy, but only by a small amount. It takes about 40 minutes to write new menus through to the 92 folders, so we only do it when we have had a few updates. We have modified the menus so that each of the 92 will have a link to the front page to click on, effectively taking you back to the beginning again and out of the folder that you were looking in. This we hope will help those who occasionally get 'lost' in the system because the page they came into a folder through is not the same when exiting that folder. The link is just above the main icon menu block. Given where we are now, we wouldn't necessarily have gone in the direction we did with menuing etc when we started out. That's a bit of an 'Irish'ism' but we are sure you will all understand what we mean! There are too many pages to change to make any major changes now. Hope this sorts it out for all concerned. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Sun Nov 4 10:19:35 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:19:35 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Major Website Revisions In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711040927y348dce4u512ecedc2668bd0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter you have done a terrific job with your web site a huge task to organise looks great well done .. brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:28 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine Subject: Re: [SEL] Major Website Revisions On 01/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have had to make some major changes to the website A couple of folks have queried the variations between the page menus on the site, stating that they find different versions at different times, depending on where they are looking. So that it may help to clarify the matter:- there are 92 folders on the website, all but four are related to the site itself. Each folder has a copy of the main menu page, and that page is referenced back to the root menu for its icons but not the text on the page. The two main menus that you see when you go to the site through the normal links: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/index.htm and then: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/front.htm are ALWAYS the most up to date, and it will always be that way. The other 92 are updated approximately monthly, so they will always be behind in terms of relevancy, but only by a small amount. It takes about 40 minutes to write new menus through to the 92 folders, so we only do it when we have had a few updates. We have modified the menus so that each of the 92 will have a link to the front page to click on, effectively taking you back to the beginning again and out of the folder that you were looking in. This we hope will help those who occasionally get 'lost' in the system because the page they came into a folder through is not the same when exiting that folder. The link is just above the main icon menu block. Given where we are now, we wouldn't necessarily have gone in the direction we did with menuing etc when we started out. That's a bit of an 'Irish'ism' but we are sure you will all understand what we mean! There are too many pages to change to make any major changes now. Hope this sorts it out for all concerned. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1107 - Release Date: 11/3/2007 11:22 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1107 - Release Date: 11/3/2007 11:22 AM From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 4 21:07:14 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:07:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? Message-ID: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> Can anyone tell me the age of a 3 1/2 HP. C.S. Lister Diesel Eng. No.284314 Please? We have just aquired one of these little engines. David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sun Nov 4 22:54:30 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 06:54:30 -0000 Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? In-Reply-To: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> References: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <05ae01c81f78$b76e12c0$8335c53e@doc> Hello Wattses Looks to be early 1939 - see http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/Dating.htm Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Brian Watts > Sent: 05 November 2007 05:07 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? > > Can anyone tell me the age of a 3 1/2 HP. C.S. Lister Diesel > Eng. No.284314 Please? We have just aquired one of these > little engines. > David Watts (03) 97293304 > damewatt at bigpond.com > Brian Watts (03) 97266147 > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 23:01:47 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:01:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? In-Reply-To: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> References: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <6f6025160711042301p272b9a1fu28bf87f6b3e745c@mail.gmail.com> On 05/11/2007, Brian Watts wrote: > Can anyone tell me the age of a 3 1/2 HP. C.S. Lister Diesel Eng. No.284314 Please? We have just aquired one of these little engines. > David Watts There is a little trap for the unwary in the serial numbers. If you look at the page that Peter has mentioned, the CS Lister numbers are over on the right hand side, and don't get to 6-digits. This is one of the post-1950 engines: 284 is the serial number 31 is the engine type = 3/1 4 is the year of manufacture = 1954 The 3-1/2hp wasn't made that early either, another pointer. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sun Nov 4 23:34:16 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:34:16 -0000 Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711042301p272b9a1fu28bf87f6b3e745c@mail.gmail.com> References: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> <6f6025160711042301p272b9a1fu28bf87f6b3e745c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <05af01c81f7e$482eb4e0$8335c53e@doc> My apologies - misread the engine number. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: 05 November 2007 07:02 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] CS.Lister ? > > On 05/11/2007, Brian Watts wrote: > > Can anyone tell me the age of a 3 1/2 HP. C.S. Lister > Diesel Eng. No.284314 Please? We have just aquired one of > these little engines. > > David Watts > > There is a little trap for the unwary in the serial numbers. > > If you look at the page that Peter has mentioned, the CS Lister > numbers are over on the right hand side, and don't get to 6-digits. > > This is one of the post-1950 engines: > > 284 is the serial number > 31 is the engine type = 3/1 > 4 is the year of manufacture = 1954 > > The 3-1/2hp wasn't made that early either, another pointer. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 00:50:10 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:50:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? In-Reply-To: <05af01c81f7e$482eb4e0$8335c53e@doc> References: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> <6f6025160711042301p272b9a1fu28bf87f6b3e745c@mail.gmail.com> <05af01c81f7e$482eb4e0$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <6f6025160711050050y5169facekd6ff80b4f8c26b44@mail.gmail.com> On 05/11/2007, Peter Scales wrote: > My apologies - misread the engine number. > > Regards > > Pete No apology needed, Pete, we all do it occasionally! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Mon Nov 5 15:46:15 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:46:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Message-ID: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Seems this went a little high, or am I out of touch eBay item 270180316408 Paul Waugh From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Nov 5 22:35:53 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:35:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <200711060636.lA66aM1B048581@mail-gw.fsr.net> Anything can happen on e-Bay. Nothing surprises me, there. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Waugh Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:46 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Seems this went a little high, or am I out of touch eBay item 270180316408 Paul Waugh From brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz Mon Nov 5 23:59:08 2007 From: brent.tamatea at clear.net.nz (tamatea whanau) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:59:08 +1300 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <200711060636.lA66aM1B048581@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: Orin thanks for sharing your pictures of your cars and engines both excellent hobbies they look great i love the old ford pickup but the coupes come a close second in remarkable condition great restorations i guess the event you are speaking of in 1929 was the wall street crash quite a major event in 1929.You will have alot of fun with all that workshop equipment it is great to see an old basket case engine running again well done. brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Orrin Iseminger Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 7:36 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Anything can happen on e-Bay. Nothing surprises me, there. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Waugh Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:46 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Seems this went a little high, or am I out of touch eBay item 270180316408 Paul Waugh _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1111 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 4:36 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1111 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 4:36 AM From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 03:35:23 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:35:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] CS.Lister ? In-Reply-To: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> References: <000901c81f69$bbd0f580$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <6f6025160711060335v4d3850a9wbe57d9a0a01e5dee@mail.gmail.com> On 05/11/2007, Brian Watts wrote: > Can anyone tell me the age of a 3 1/2 HP. C.S. Lister Diesel Eng. No.284314 Please? We have just aquired one of these little engines. > David Watts Just for the record, I asked David Harris about the change-over date for the 600rpm to 650rpm increase, and he reckons that 1934 was when they all changed to the higher rpm and hp. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Nov 6 05:19:52 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:19:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200711061320.lA6DK5vb051129@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you for the kind words, Brent. We've been very fortunate with our Model A purchases and restorations. Those old rigs are a constant source of joy for us. The 1929 event that I alluded to was the Valentine's Day Massacre in Chicago. The date stamped on Buttercup's firewall reads 2/14/29. The body was built on that date. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of tamatea whanau Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Orin thanks for sharing your pictures of your cars and engines both excellent hobbies they look great i love the old ford pickup but the coupes come a close second in remarkable condition great restorations i guess the event you are speaking of in 1929 was the wall street crash quite a major event in 1929.You will have alot of fun with all that workshop equipment it is great to see an old basket case engine running again well done. brent -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Orrin Iseminger Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 7:36 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Anything can happen on e-Bay. Nothing surprises me, there. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Waugh Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:46 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Seems this went a little high, or am I out of touch eBay item 270180316408 Paul Waugh _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1111 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 4:36 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1111 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 4:36 AM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 6 08:16:25 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:16:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: Hi Paul, It is a nicely restored "M", good size (3 hp), on a cart, kero, overstrike ignitor... Overall more desirable than the average "M". If you look at the bidding, I think what happened is that several folks were really interested and they actually treated it as an auction. I suspect some "auction fever" at work as well. The seller is probably thrilled. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Paul Waugh wrote: > Seems this went a little high, or am I out of touch eBay item 270180316408 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 07:58:53 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:58:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? Message-ID: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone been able to get onto Smokstak today? There was a little bit of a kerfuffle yesterday over a bit of moderating, but all seemed OK apart from that. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Nov 6 08:00:12 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:00:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <00a501c8208e$1d9d92d0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Hi Arnie Kind of what I was thinking .. it is/was a nice M, I went to $800, might have gone $900, but then dang I think the 'fever; hit. I had set a 'max' and that is what I stuck to Thanks for input Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 HP "M" > Hi Paul, > > It is a nicely restored "M", good size (3 hp), on a cart, kero, overstrike > ignitor... Overall more desirable than the average "M". > > If you look at the bidding, I think what happened is that several folks > were really interested and they actually treated it as an auction. I > suspect some "auction fever" at work as well. The seller is probably > thrilled. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Paul Waugh wrote: > >> Seems this went a little high, or am I out of touch eBay item >> 270180316408 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Nov 6 09:16:25 2007 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:16:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c82098$c5604e40$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> I have not been able to get the site to come up either. Let's hope it's not an act of cyber-terrorism!;-) Jim Mackessy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: ; "Stationary-Engine" Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? > Has anyone been able to get onto Smokstak today? > > There was a little bit of a kerfuffle yesterday over a bit of > moderating, but all seemed OK apart from that. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 10:04:48 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:04:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711061004j55a99a9fk2f16fdffa7a719cd@mail.gmail.com> On 06/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > Has anyone been able to get onto Smokstak today? Harry has been in touch, his server crashed and it is taking a while to get it all up again. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Nov 6 10:14:53 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:14:53 EST Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/2007 10:13:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: Harry has been in touch, his server crashed and it is taking a while to get it all up again. Thanks for information. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca 93454 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From kimmell at verizon.net Tue Nov 6 10:31:58 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:31:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Good lord, I bought a 3hp kero overstrike M on Ebay not too long ago for $500. Granted it wasn't restored and wasn't on an original cart, but COME ON. If I was going to spend $1700 on an engine, I sure as hell wouldn't be looking at a model-M. Some people have more money than sense... -Tony At 10:16 AM 11/6/2007, you wrote: >Hi Paul, > >It is a nicely restored "M", good size (3 hp), on a cart, kero, overstrike >ignitor... Overall more desirable than the average "M". From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Tue Nov 6 10:58:43 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:58:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> LOL I agree Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 HP "M" > Good lord, I bought a 3hp kero overstrike M on Ebay not too long ago > for $500. Granted it wasn't restored and wasn't on an original cart, > but COME ON. If I was going to spend $1700 on an engine, I sure as > hell wouldn't be looking at a model-M. > > Some people have more money than sense... > > -Tony > > > At 10:16 AM 11/6/2007, you wrote: >>Hi Paul, >> >>It is a nicely restored "M", good size (3 hp), on a cart, kero, overstrike >>ignitor... Overall more desirable than the average "M". > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 6 12:55:02 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:55:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: Hell, $1,700.00 does NOT buy much anymore! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Paul Waugh wrote: > LOL I agree > Paul Waugh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony & Jackie" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 HP "M" > > >> Good lord, I bought a 3hp kero overstrike M on Ebay not too long ago >> for $500. Granted it wasn't restored and wasn't on an original cart, >> but COME ON. If I was going to spend $1700 on an engine, I sure as >> hell wouldn't be looking at a model-M. >> >> Some people have more money than sense... >> >> -Tony >> >> >> At 10:16 AM 11/6/2007, you wrote: >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> It is a nicely restored "M", good size (3 hp), on a cart, kero, >>> overstrike >>> ignitor... Overall more desirable than the average "M". >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 13:36:51 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:36:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <6f6025160711061336s156de9c1r4b51e752e6dd1f8f@mail.gmail.com> On 06/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > Hell, $1,700.00 does NOT buy much anymore! > Dave > Especially at $2.088 to the ? Sterling.... :-)) We'll be over your side of the pond next week! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From c696 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 13:47:05 2007 From: c696 at earthlink.net (Donald L. Taylor) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:47:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ohio paint color Message-ID: <018401c820be$d20272b0$ec10ba89@ibmvjlqspkihvi> I have an Ohio Motor Company engine probably built about 1910. Anyone know the original color Donald L. Taylor 5550, Route 880 Dobson's Corner, New Brunswick Canada E4Z 4B7 Phone (506)372-4661 Cell(506)878-0355 email c696 at earthlink.net VE1DLT This message transmitted by the Power of God, Who, in these last times, revealed to people some of the amazing features He built in to his wonderful creation. From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 6 14:12:28 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:12:28 EST Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/2007 10:27:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: I suspect some "auction fever" at work as well. If I ever decide to sell my two 6M's on original steel, I surely will list them on ebay and hope for the same "fever"! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 6 14:22:53 2007 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:22:53 +0900 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <4730E93D.10109@optusnet.com.au> David Rotigel wrote: > Hell, $1,700.00 does NOT buy much anymore! > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel === Or you could say, $1,700,000 is now only worth an old engine? JW? === From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 6 14:31:55 2007 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:31:55 +0900 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <4730E93D.10109@optusnet.com.au> References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <4730E93D.10109@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4730EB5B.9090603@optusnet.com.au> Jack Watson wrote: > David Rotigel wrote: >> Hell, $1,700.00 does NOT buy much anymore! >> Dave >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel > === > Or you could say, $1,700,000 is now only worth an old engine? > JW? > === === Oops!? $1,700.00 JW?? === From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 6 16:17:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:17:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ohio paint color In-Reply-To: <018401c820be$d20272b0$ec10ba89@ibmvjlqspkihvi> References: <018401c820be$d20272b0$ec10ba89@ibmvjlqspkihvi> Message-ID: Yes--doG knows, and so, also, do several others! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Donald L. Taylor wrote: > I have an Ohio Motor Company engine probably built about 1910. > Anyone know the original color > > Donald L. Taylor > 5550, Route 880 > Dobson's Corner, New Brunswick > Canada > E4Z 4B7 > Phone (506)372-4661 > Cell(506)878-0355 > email c696 at earthlink.net > VE1DLT > This message transmitted by the Power of God, > Who, in these last times, revealed to people > some of the amazing features He built in > to his wonderful creation. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From toadhill at aeroinc.net Tue Nov 6 19:18:22 2007 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe Maurer) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:18:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page Message-ID: <000a01c820ec$db90a6c0$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> Did Harry change his page. I can log in but can't get into Smoke Staks. It asks for my user name and passwork which I already gave when I logged in. Thanks, Joe Maurer From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 6 19:32:57 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:32:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page References: <000a01c820ec$db90a6c0$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <000801c820ee$e4a62c60$59f5ecdc@Edd> I'm having the same problem. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Maurer" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page > Did Harry change his page. I can log in but can't get into Smoke Staks. > It asks for my user name and passwork which I already gave when I logged > in. > > Thanks, > Joe Maurer > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 6 19:33:48 2007 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:33:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page References: <000a01c820ec$db90a6c0$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <002201c820ef$0235c510$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> Doing me the same way Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Maurer" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page > Did Harry change his page. I can log in but can't get into Smoke Staks. It asks for my user name and passwork which I already gave when I logged in. > > Thanks, > Joe Maurer > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottawa at pa.net Tue Nov 6 20:04:53 2007 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:04:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page References: <000a01c820ec$db90a6c0$0300a8c0@joe5599c86d812> <002201c820ef$0235c510$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> Message-ID: <00fb01c820f3$59d14d90$0201a8c0@HONDESKTOP> Joe, Edd & Dick, I hope you all saw Peter's message earlier! Message was: Harry has been in touch, his server crashed and it is taking a while to get it all up again. I don't think the site is completely back on line. Helen Myers ----- Original Message ----- From: Dickie To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Harry's Page Doing me the same way Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Maurer" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Harry's Page > Did Harry change his page. I can log in but can't get into Smoke Staks. It asks for my user name and passwork which I already gave when I logged in. > > Thanks, > Joe Maurer > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Nov 6 21:18:58 2007 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:18:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160711061004j55a99a9fk2f16fdffa7a719cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c820fd$e0d04760$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Thanks, Peter! Jim M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: ; "Stationary-Engine" Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? > On 06/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > > Has anyone been able to get onto Smokstak today? > > Harry has been in touch, his server crashed and it is taking a while > to get it all up again. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 22:40:02 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:40:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <4730EB5B.9090603@optusnet.com.au> References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <4730E93D.10109@optusnet.com.au> <4730EB5B.9090603@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160711062240q2fc8556awdbf222423c567f92@mail.gmail.com> On 06/11/2007, Jack Watson wrote: > Jack Watson wrote: > > David Rotigel wrote: > >> Hell, $1,700.00 does NOT buy much anymore! > >> Dave > >> > >> > >> -------- > >> David Rotigel > > === > > Or you could say, $1,700,000 is now only worth an old engine? > > JW? That was the $AU you were referring to? :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Nov 6 23:27:24 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:27:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160711061004j55a99a9fk2f16fdffa7a719cd@mail.gmail.com> <000001c820fd$e0d04760$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> Message-ID: <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> I find it amusing how many people go into a total decline becasue they do not receive an email each day or a web site is down. What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in engines ;-))))))))) Flame me for being so brash ;-)) Peter, Oz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 01:46:50 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:46:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 3 HP "M" In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711061336s156de9c1r4b51e752e6dd1f8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <004d01c82006$0e4821c0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <0JR300C4BKQ5OEA1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <00d301c820a7$0e4e7830$6501a8c0@PaulNew> <6f6025160711061336s156de9c1r4b51e752e6dd1f8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711070146o7cfdfbbdgf6b05b3a47452a1f@mail.gmail.com> On 06/11/2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 06/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > > Hell, $1,700.00 does NOT buy much anymore! > > Dave > > > > Especially at $2.088 to the ? Sterling.... :-)) > Hmmmm $US 2.10195 to the ? Sterling this morning, time to go and get some $$'s for the trip next week. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Nov 7 06:36:05 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:36:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? In-Reply-To: <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160711061004j55a99a9fk2f16fdffa7a719cd@mail.gmail.com> <000001c820fd$e0d04760$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20071107113604.096C7229A52@md5.pennswoods.net> Peter you don't mean getting that old engine running. or some thing like that you should be strapped. lol R Fink At 06:27 PM 11/7/2007 +1100, you wrote: >I find it amusing how many people go into a total decline becasue they do >not receive an email each day or a web site is down. >What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in >engines ;-))))))))) > >Flame me for being so brash ;-)) > > >Peter, Oz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1108 - Release Date: >11/3/2007 9:42 PM From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Nov 7 05:18:14 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:18:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? In-Reply-To: <20071107113604.096C7229A52@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160711061004j55a99a9fk2f16fdffa7a719cd@mail.gmail.com> <000001c820fd$e0d04760$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> <20071107113604.096C7229A52@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <2199.165.206.180.53.1194441494.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Dude, it's getting COLD here and I don't have a heated shop. So my time outside is limited, it's off-season here. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1982 Eagle SX/4 1980 Eagle wagon http://theamcpages.com administrator/webmaster http://theamcforum.com > > At 06:27 PM 11/7/2007 +1100, you wrote: >>I find it amusing how many people go into a total decline becasue they do >>not receive an email each day or a web site is down. >>What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in >>engines ;-))))))))) >> >>Flame me for being so brash ;-)) >> >> >>Peter, Oz >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1108 - Release Date: >>11/3/2007 9:42 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 7 06:42:52 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:42:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? Message-ID: <20071107.100520.1316.2.jlb94@juno.com> What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in engines ;-))))))))) Amen !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The richest person is not the one who has the most, (_o_) but the one who needs the least." . From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Nov 7 09:10:41 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:10:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? In-Reply-To: <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <282965.46613.qm@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Peter. Fred Here.... At least that is my name right now since I am at work and do most of my browsing of Harry's when I am at work when there is downtime between help calls... With the site down, I had to go else ware to pass some of the time... Once I got home, I loaded an engine onto a skid for shipping and worked in the garage for a bit on several other engine projects before crashing... I didn't know that the site was down until I got to work yesterday morning...When I came in from working last night, I got a nextel beep from a friend asking what was up and explained what I had heard happened. (from a different source) and checked the site...AHH the classifieds were up, but the forums were not yet at the time. This morning, I see that the site is backup. It is a beautiful day...and I am stuck in a windowless office.... !!! Steve --- Peter Lowe wrote: I find it amusing how many people go into a total decline becasue they do not receive an email each day or a web site is down. What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in engines ;-))))))))) Flame me for being so brash ;-)) Peter, Oz From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 7 10:16:53 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:16:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? In-Reply-To: <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <6f6025160711060758w69540ae9x1f49df5b22e0831d@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160711061004j55a99a9fk2f16fdffa7a719cd@mail.gmail.com> <000001c820fd$e0d04760$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04> <001301c8210f$a4e646c0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: ROFLMAO!! Heretic!! Doncha know that there are engine folks who discovered computers and there are computer folks who discovered engines. Wanna guess who's working in the shed and who's bitching on email? 8-))))) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > I find it amusing how many people go into a total decline becasue they do > not receive an email each day or a web site is down. > What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in > engines ;-))))))))) > > Flame me for being so brash ;-)) From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Nov 7 11:33:34 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 06:33:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? References: <282965.46613.qm@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c82175$167c1520$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Steve Have a great computer/engine day, don't fall off your chair and hurt yourself ;-))) Peter, Oz > This morning, I see that the site is backup. It is a beautiful day...and > I am stuck in a windowless office.... !!! > > Steve > > --- Peter Lowe wrote: > > I find it amusing how many people go into a total decline becasue they > do not receive an email each day or a web site is down. > What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in > engines ;-))))))))) > > Flame me for being so brash ;-)) > > > Peter, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Nov 7 11:35:59 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 06:35:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? References: <20071107.100520.1316.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <001d01c82175$6ce709b0$0601a8c0@altech> > What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in > engines ;-)))))))))> > > > > Amen !!! > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Aahhhhhhh, a real engine man, have fun Joe. Peter, Oz From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Nov 7 13:19:55 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:19:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Harry's Site down?? In-Reply-To: <001d01c82175$6ce709b0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <20071107.100520.1316.2.jlb94@juno.com> <001d01c82175$6ce709b0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <3236.165.206.180.53.1194470395.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> That's why I built a $40,000 barn.......... but no electric or heat yet. http://theamcpages.com/new-garage.asp Cars and tractor move out there to the barn, leaving entire garage addition for my engines - ROOM TO WORK finally. Some things, mags, etc., I take in the house to work on anyway. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1982 Eagle SX/4 1980 Eagle wagon http://theamcpages.com http://theamcforum.com >> What ever happened to going out to your workshop and actually working in >> engines ;-)))))))))> >> >> >> >> Amen !!! >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > > Aahhhhhhh, a real engine man, have fun Joe. > Peter, Oz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Nov 7 13:22:50 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:22:50 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Muffler paint- 2K feedback wanted Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071107232058.00b94ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, I've been very quiet on the lists lately. Major problems with my Internet connection!! But this is, after all, South Africa - rapidly retreating into 3rd world status ! When you get (dial-up) connections at 4 Kbits per second and the local telephone line provider (monopoly) checks the line twice and reports that there is nothing wrong with it then one just has to wonder! It took me 25 minutes to send an eMail with a 124 Kbyte attachment last week. In the good old days this would have gone out in max. 10 seconds. It's 10:30 pm here and I've just been tweaking the bitch's carby. (My 8 HP air cooled Bernard a.k.a "Madame"). Some of you may know her - shes a French built model and looks great but in a former life she must have been either a brothel owner or a school mistress - she does not take nonsense from anyone. Hence her name "Madame". (That rubber fuel line has long since been replaced with copper.) If you just touch her wrong while trying to start her she is guaranteed to try her best to break your wrist. Only way to start is with a crank handle but fortunately this is spring loaded and fits into a sleeve, it cannot jump out and smash your face (I think that she must have done this with her designer - hence the sleeve to keep the crank handle in place). If you crank her "just wrong" she does her best to break your wrist. Best not to fool with her after a few drinks! She often needs "sweet nothings" whispered into her ear - something like "c'mon you bitch - if you don't start this time it's the smelter for you". She usually runs beautifully after this :-) This gets me back to the reason for this mail. Sometime within the last year someone asked the question, "what is the best paint for a muffler". I replied that we use black 2K paint without a primer and cited "Madame's" muffler as an example -being an air cooled 8 HP her muffler gets pretty hot - it still looks as good as new. I forget who asked but he did reply and say that he would give it a try. Some feedback would be great - did you (or any other list members) try it and, if so, how did it work for you? Many questions and answers come through the lists but feedback as to wether it worked for you or not seldom appear. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 10:34:54 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:34:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Muffler paint- 2K feedback wanted Message-ID: <407583.89522.qm@web59204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Jerry-san, What is 2K paint? Oom Bill From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 8 11:41:00 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:41:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Muffler paint- 2K feedback wanted References: <407583.89522.qm@web59204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c8223f$4aadb040$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> 2000 degree F .......direct flame , headers , etc > Jerry-san, What is 2K paint? Oom Bill > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Nov 8 13:55:44 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:55:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap Message-ID: <20071108.135545.1824.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Where is the best place to get a magneto cap for an IH LB with the IH magneto. I know several places, which do you recommend. If you are reading between the lines I am cheap. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From skipl130 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 17:49:45 2007 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:49:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap In-Reply-To: <20071108.135545.1824.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <692773.35681.qm@web35306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ron, it is the same cap used on farmall a & b tractors. skip rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: Hi all. Where is the best place to get a magneto cap for an IH LB with the IH magneto. I know several places, which do you recommend. If you are reading between the lines I am cheap. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From shop at cccomm.net Fri Nov 9 06:10:29 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:10:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap References: <20071108.135545.1824.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <00da01c822da$4a1898c0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> If it's cracked, fix it. Ace hardware has a product called plasti-dip meant for coating tool handles. It is nonconductive and will insulate a magneto cap in a heartbeat. Less than 8 bucks.......... Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap > Hi all. > Where is the best place to get a magneto cap for an IH LB with the IH > magneto. I know several places, which do you recommend. If you are > reading between the lines I am cheap. > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From milo at hughes.net Fri Nov 9 06:25:30 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:25:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap In-Reply-To: <00da01c822da$4a1898c0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <20071108.135545.1824.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <00da01c822da$4a1898c0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <000301c822dc$669b9180$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst >Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:10 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] IH LB mag cap > >If it's cracked, fix it. >Ace hardware has a product called plasti-dip meant for coating tool >handles. >It is nonconductive and will insulate a magneto cap in a heartbeat. Less >than 8 bucks.......... >Dave Very interesting fix. Definitely going to put that one in my memory bank, (what left of it) :-) One question, if I may, do you just plug the holes and "dip-it"? or do you dab / brush it on? Peace Milo >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:55 PM >Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap > > >> Hi all. >> Where is the best place to get a magneto cap for an IH LB with the IH >> magneto. I know several places, which do you recommend. If you are >> reading between the lines I am cheap. >> Thanks. >> >> Ron Haskell >> rdhaskell at juno.com >> Riverside, California >> USA >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 >9:29 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 9:29 AM From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Nov 9 09:19:21 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:19:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap Message-ID: <20071109.091921.1572.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Dave. Mine is missing more than half. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:10:29 -0800 "Dave Ernst" writes: > If it's cracked, fix it. > Ace hardware has a product called plasti-dip meant for coating tool > handles. > It is nonconductive and will insulate a magneto cap in a heartbeat. > Less > than 8 bucks.......... > Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 9 10:56:38 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:56:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Very Sad Day for our engine buddy Bill Miller Message-ID: <00a601c82302$4300c5d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I just received this terrible e-mail in regards to our dear friend and engine buddy, Bill Miller. Please pray for him and his family. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: BillMil357 at aol.com To: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: Bill Miller Paul, I hate to tell you this in an email but Daddy is back in the hospital with terminal brain tumor. I'll let you read the email my sister sent out. We don't have Daddy's cell phone or I would have called. I know how much you mean to him. You can call me Diana or Mom if you want to. Randy me 901-409-8242 Diana 901-491-5465 Mom 901-901-849-0013 Friends and family, He is in Tower 904. They moved him about 9:00 last night. He has an aggressive form of brain tumor that is incurable. We began palliative care last night, which the doctor explained to him this morning and he understands and wants. The biggest blessing of all is that when he left Methodist North, he could no longer maintain his internal medicine physician, since Dr. Versoza does not practice at Central. But God sent a dear family friend from his church, Dr. Jeff Warren, who took over his care and promptly gave my mom the straight scoop on his illness and prognosis. They were afraid he might not make it through last night. My mom was able to sign DNR orders with sadness but with the absolute knowledge that we had done everything possible for Daddy. She got the information gently from someone who knows and loves her and my Daddy. My brother spent the night last night and my mom came home to spend the night with us at my house. Both of us slept well after a long, tense day yesterday. Dr Warren came to the hospital at 6:30 this morning and explained everything to Daddy and my brother. He understood and agreed. He did not want my mom to go through the horrors of procedures that would do no good. We will be able to be with him now with no beeping machines, no loud noises, no scary procedures and no restrictions on who and how long anyone can visit. We will hold his hand and walk with him to the gates of heaven. We thank our friends and family for their continued love and support. I have included a long list of recipients on this e-mail, but hope you will forward this to anyone you know of that loves my Daddy and would want to know. You?ll find us in Room 904 Tower at Methodist Hospital Central or in a waiting room nearby. Your e-mails, calls and prayers are a blessing to us right now. Some of us will be with him at the hospital until Jesus comes to take him home. Love, Diana -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 11:36:09 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:36:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Very Sad Day for our engine buddy Bill Miller In-Reply-To: <00a601c82302$4300c5d0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00a601c82302$4300c5d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6f6025160711091136k118659a9t6da887cf6e3b7da4@mail.gmail.com> On 09/11/2007, Paul Maples wrote: > Folks I just received this terrible e-mail in regards to our dear friend and engine buddy, Bill Miller. Please pray for him and his family. > > Paul That's as bad as it gets. Thanks for letting us know, Paul. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 9 17:39:13 2007 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:39:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Very Sad Day for our engine buddy Bill Miller References: <00a601c82302$4300c5d0$240110ac@FAMILY> <6f6025160711091136k118659a9t6da887cf6e3b7da4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002101c8233a$7fb6a250$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> Paul thanks so much for the update on Bill, I truly hate hearing this disturbing news but do thank you for the update. Bill is one fine gentleman and will continuing praying for him and his family. Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Very Sad Day for our engine buddy Bill Miller > On 09/11/2007, Paul Maples wrote: > > Folks I just received this terrible e-mail in regards to our dear friend and engine buddy, Bill Miller. Please pray for him and his family. > > > > Paul > > That's as bad as it gets. Thanks for letting us know, Paul. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 9 23:17:06 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:17:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel Message-ID: <000801c82369$b3fa4240$daba693a@fred> Can any UK. Members direct me to a site where I can Download pictures of a Blackstone Vertical Diesel. Brian. David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Nov 10 01:25:05 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:25:05 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel In-Reply-To: <000801c82369$b3fa4240$daba693a@fred> References: <000801c82369$b3fa4240$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <000001c8237b$94a2dcb0$bde89610$@net.au> What exactly are you after Brian? I own a twin cylinder vertical Blackstone EV2 90 hp. You are welcome to pictures of that if they are of any use. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2007 4:17 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel Can any UK. Members direct me to a site where I can Download pictures of a Blackstone Vertical Diesel. Brian. David Watts (03) 97293304 damewatt at bigpond.com Brian Watts (03) 97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Sat Nov 10 04:49:43 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:49:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap References: <20071108.135545.1824.0.rdhaskell@juno.com><00da01c822da$4a1898c0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <000301c822dc$669b9180$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <012001c82398$2a645a00$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> either way works well ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milo" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IH LB mag cap > >-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >>bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst >>Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:10 AM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] IH LB mag cap >> >>If it's cracked, fix it. >>Ace hardware has a product called plasti-dip meant for coating tool >>handles. >>It is nonconductive and will insulate a magneto cap in a heartbeat. Less >>than 8 bucks.......... >>Dave > > Very interesting fix. Definitely going to put that one in my memory bank, > (what left of it) :-) > One question, if I may, do you just plug the holes and "dip-it"? > or do you dab / brush it on? > > Peace > Milo > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: ; >>Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:55 PM >>Subject: [SEL] IH LB mag cap >> >> >>> Hi all. >>> Where is the best place to get a magneto cap for an IH LB with the IH >>> magneto. I know several places, which do you recommend. If you are >>> reading between the lines I am cheap. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Ron Haskell >>> rdhaskell at juno.com >>> Riverside, California >>> USA >>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: >>11/8/2007 >>9:29 AM >> > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: > 11/8/2007 > 9:29 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 09:19:42 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:19:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel In-Reply-To: <000801c82369$b3fa4240$daba693a@fred> References: <000801c82369$b3fa4240$daba693a@fred> Message-ID: <6f6025160711100919p479e84e0y2047929d2550957c@mail.gmail.com> On 10/11/2007, Brian Watts wrote: > Can any UK. Members direct me to a site where I can Download pictures of a Blackstone Vertical Diesel. > Brian. Blackstone DB ? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat Nov 10 13:01:04 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:01:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel References: <000801c82369$b3fa4240$daba693a@fred> <000001c8237b$94a2dcb0$bde89610$@net.au> Message-ID: <000801c823dc$cf892cb0$daba693a@fred> Lokking for photos of single cyl. 6hp. vert. Blackstone Diesel. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel > What exactly are you after Brian? I own a twin cylinder vertical > Blackstone > EV2 90 hp. You are welcome to pictures of that if they are of any use. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts > Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2007 4:17 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Diesel > > Can any UK. Members direct me to a site where I can Download pictures of a > Blackstone Vertical Diesel. > Brian. > David Watts (03) 97293304 > damewatt at bigpond.com > Brian Watts (03) 97266147 > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.27/1121 - Release Date: > 9/11/2007 7:29 PM > > From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 10 14:59:12 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:59:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Very Sad Day for our engine buddy Bill Miller Message-ID: Paul, this is terrible news. Bill is a fine man, an old-school gent for sure. We wish him and his family the best possible transition to what lies beyond. Thank you for letting us know.Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From dleis at centurytel.net Sat Nov 10 17:05:38 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:05:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Economy Message-ID: <000801c823fe$fa822e40$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi List Just quick question does Economy and Hercules share the same serial number year? I cant seem to find the serial number list for my 5hp economy serial number 58607 thank you for the help :-) Stacy Leis Elroy , Wisconsin From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Nov 10 17:42:00 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:42:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Economy Message-ID: <20071110.174200.1552.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Glenn's book says engines with serial number 50,000 to 60,000 were made in 1914. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:05:38 -0600 "Stacy Leis" writes: > Hi List > > Just quick question does Economy and Hercules share the same > serial number year? I cant seem to find the serial number list for > my 5hp economy serial number 58607 thank you for the help :-) > > Stacy Leis > Elroy , Wisconsin From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 10 18:49:10 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:49:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Economy In-Reply-To: <000801c823fe$fa822e40$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <000801c823fe$fa822e40$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <2871A23B-9ED3-437B-8DCE-0A3FB00CB6FA@alltel.net> Yes. Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 10, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Stacy Leis wrote: > Hi List > > Just quick question does Economy and Hercules share the same > serial number year? > > Stacy Leis From dleis at centurytel.net Sat Nov 10 18:46:08 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:46:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Economy References: <000801c823fe$fa822e40$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <2871A23B-9ED3-437B-8DCE-0A3FB00CB6FA@alltel.net> Message-ID: <000d01c8240d$04935b80$2f01a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Thank you guy's Stacy :-) From astfgl at iamnota.org Sat Nov 10 21:15:19 2007 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:15:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? Message-ID: <47368FE7.6010208@iamnota.org> I'm posting this on behalf of my father, who has a Buzacott/Rosebery with a nasty knock in the main bearings - they're rather worn and he can wobble the crankshaft by hand. The instruction manual mentions adjusting the bearings, but with no details on how to go about it. The parts list shows the 4C and 6C have a two part bearing which would be adjustable, but not the 2C or 3C. Is this fixable in a garage workshop, or is it beyond his means? On a related note, is there a service manual for these engines? Thanks, glen. From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Nov 10 21:43:46 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:43:46 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? In-Reply-To: <47368FE7.6010208@iamnota.org> References: <47368FE7.6010208@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <002e01c82425$d40e3570$7c2aa050$@net.au> I've got a few each of these engines but have not had the bottom end apart yet. You should be able to get a service book from Greg McNiece at www.rallybadges.com.au He has them advertised for 11 Dollars. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glen Harris Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 2:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? I'm posting this on behalf of my father, who has a Buzacott/Rosebery with a nasty knock in the main bearings - they're rather worn and he can wobble the crankshaft by hand. The instruction manual mentions adjusting the bearings, but with no details on how to go about it. The parts list shows the 4C and 6C have a two part bearing which would be adjustable, but not the 2C or 3C. Is this fixable in a garage workshop, or is it beyond his means? On a related note, is there a service manual for these engines? Thanks, glen. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From astfgl at iamnota.org Sat Nov 10 22:09:09 2007 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:09:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? In-Reply-To: <002e01c82425$d40e3570$7c2aa050$@net.au> References: <47368FE7.6010208@iamnota.org> <002e01c82425$d40e3570$7c2aa050$@net.au> Message-ID: <47369C85.60602@iamnota.org> Which product_id are you referring to? I bought 1154 "Rosebery C 2,3,4, & 6hp Vertical Engines" for him some time ago, which is the operating instructions. Can you point me to which one is the service manual? Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > I've got a few each of these engines but have not had the bottom end apart > yet. You should be able to get a service book from Greg McNiece at > www.rallybadges.com.au He has them advertised for 11 Dollars. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glen Harris > Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 2:15 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? > > I'm posting this on behalf of my father, who has a Buzacott/Rosebery with a > nasty knock in the main bearings - they're rather worn and he can wobble the > > crankshaft by hand. The instruction manual mentions adjusting the bearings, > but with no details on how to go about it. The parts list shows the 4C and > 6C > have a two part bearing which would be adjustable, but not the 2C or 3C. Is > this fixable in a garage workshop, or is it beyond his means? > > On a related note, is there a service manual for these engines? > > Thanks, glen. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Nov 10 22:51:07 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:51:07 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? In-Reply-To: <47369C85.60602@iamnota.org> References: <47368FE7.6010208@iamnota.org> <002e01c82425$d40e3570$7c2aa050$@net.au> <47369C85.60602@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <004801c8242f$3cb9c6d0$b62d5470$@net.au> Give Greg a phone call. He is a very helpful bloke and will try his best to get you the right book. Also I'm sure some of these Aussie blokes here can help out when they wake up from the Sunday arvo camp. Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glen Harris Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 3:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? Which product_id are you referring to? I bought 1154 "Rosebery C 2,3,4, & 6hp Vertical Engines" for him some time ago, which is the operating instructions. Can you point me to which one is the service manual? Ray And Erica Freeman wrote: > I've got a few each of these engines but have not had the bottom end apart > yet. You should be able to get a service book from Greg McNiece at > www.rallybadges.com.au He has them advertised for 11 Dollars. > Ray Freeman > Perth WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glen Harris > Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 2:15 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Adjusting Rosebery 3C bearings? > > I'm posting this on behalf of my father, who has a Buzacott/Rosebery with a > nasty knock in the main bearings - they're rather worn and he can wobble the > > crankshaft by hand. The instruction manual mentions adjusting the bearings, > but with no details on how to go about it. The parts list shows the 4C and > 6C > have a two part bearing which would be adjustable, but not the 2C or 3C. Is > this fixable in a garage workshop, or is it beyond his means? > > On a related note, is there a service manual for these engines? > > Thanks, glen. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Nov 11 04:27:31 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:27:31 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Muffler paint- 2K feedback wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071111135129.00b8eec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 09/11/2007, you wrote: >From: William Young >Subject: Re: [SEL] Muffler paint- 2K feedback wanted > >Jerry-san, What is 2K paint? Oom Bill Hi Oom Bill-san, 2K paint (a.k.a. as 2 Pack) is a two component paint system - usually mixed 2 parts base (the colour) to 1 part hardener (clear). It is widely used as an automotive finish and is good at covering small imperfections (like sanding scratches) as well as attaining a very high gloss. I think (but may be wrong) that it is a polyurethane based system and the hardeners come in different "speeds" for want of a better word. Slow, medium and fast. Slow is used in hot conditions and helps by allowing the paint to "flow" before curing. Fast is used under colder conditions. It must be used under very well ventilated conditions and a respirator mask is also preferable due to the fact that it contains isocyanate which can be dangerous when vaporized and inhaled. 2K is not a brand name but rather a type of paint made by most paint manufacturers under their brand names. A Google search for "2K Paint" brings a lot more information. I hope this helps. Keep well Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 11 04:56:02 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 07:56:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] There's a Hit & Miss Engine Lurking in There Message-ID: <1194785762.4736fbe2bebdf@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Folks, This looks like it could be the start of a sweet winter project. Enjoy! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200170730907 Item name: BRUNNER AIR COMPRESSOR- HIT AND MISS ENGINE project See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 11 05:24:09 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:24:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] There's a Hit & Miss Engine Lurking in There In-Reply-To: <1194785762.4736fbe2bebdf@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1194785762.4736fbe2bebdf@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <47370279.10105@scrtc.com> Wow Arnie. At Norm Parrish's auction in June, I bet he had 20 of the little compressors like the ebay item. They built them in a couple of different sizes and Norm had a good selection of both. The going price was about $50 at the sale. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hiya Folks, > >This looks like it could be the start of a sweet winter project. Enjoy! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200170730907 >Item name: BRUNNER AIR COMPRESSOR- HIT AND MISS ENGINE project > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 11 08:00:33 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:00:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] There's a Hit & Miss Engine Lurking in There In-Reply-To: <47370279.10105@scrtc.com> References: <1194785762.4736fbe2bebdf@webmail.city-net.com> <47370279.10105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1194796833.47372721e8706@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, He should have put them on eBay. 8-))) For some reason there's one bidder that REALLY wants that little compressor. Go figger... See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Wow Arnie. At Norm Parrish's auction in June, I bet he had 20 of the > little compressors like the ebay item. They built them in a couple of > different sizes and Norm had a good selection of both. The going price > was about $50 at the sale. > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=200170730907 > >Item name: BRUNNER AIR COMPRESSOR- HIT AND MISS ENGINE project From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 11 08:05:46 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:05:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - Amerind-MacKissic Mighty Mac Sprayer Model PS322T - OT Message-ID: <1194797146.4737285a6b175@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Please forgive the shameless self-promotion. Do you need a tree sprayer? I just listed a nice one on eBay. I can deliver it at no cost to any of the summer engine shows I attend. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260181349535 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Nov 12 06:51:59 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:51:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - Amerind-MacKissic Mighty Mac Sprayer Model PS322T - OT In-Reply-To: <1194797146.4737285a6b175@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1194797146.4737285a6b175@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20071112115152.EE8FC2298B4@md5.pennswoods.net> Arnie what is the reserve on it i would like to have that for my fruit trees. R Fink At 11:05 AM 11/11/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Please forgive the shameless self-promotion. Do you need a tree sprayer? >I just listed a nice one on eBay. I can deliver it at no cost to any of the >summer engine shows I attend. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260181349535 > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1119 - Release Date: >11/8/2007 5:55 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 12 07:51:31 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:51:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT - Amerind-MacKissic Mighty Mac Sprayer Model PS322T - OT In-Reply-To: <20071112115152.EE8FC2298B4@md5.pennswoods.net> References: <1194797146.4737285a6b175@webmail.city-net.com> <20071112115152.EE8FC2298B4@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: Hi Richard, $200 reserve. Thanks for looking. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Richard Fink Sr wrote: > Arnie what is the reserve on it i would like to have that for my fruit trees. > > At 11:05 AM 11/11/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260181349535 From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Nov 12 17:47:22 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:47:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Dixie mag question Message-ID: <20071112.174722.1976.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Over the weekend a 4hp vertical Cushman serial no.27630 followed me home. It has a Dixie magneto, my question is: what goes on the end of the high tension wire where it goes into the lead out tower? It looks like it might be an inch long and tapered. Specs on the mag, Patent dates of Dec 16-13, July 28-14, Great Britain 8128 & 29655-13, 21583-14, Canada Dec 22-14. On the other cover at the bottom, 194603 and 601. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Nov 12 22:36:46 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:36:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives! Message-ID: <20071113063653.MYJK11084.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I picked up a parcel from the post office yesterday which contained parts I had ordered from the USA for the 1hp R&V I picked up in September. In the box was the governor, ignitor & trip. After 2.5hrs work (mainly getting the wasp nests out of the head, carby & exhaust & freeing up stuck parts) the little engine fired first try. I still have to make a few adjustments to get the governor working properly but it is good to have another running R&V. Now I just have to make some time to paint it and my other 1hp up to match the big 12hp :) Some pics of the 1hp at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv1hp1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 04:03:56 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:03:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives! In-Reply-To: <20071113063653.MYJK11084.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071113063653.MYJK11084.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Nice one Patrick,bet you are still smiling. John> From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:36:46 +1100> Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives!> > I picked up a parcel from the post office yesterday which contained parts I> had ordered from the USA for the 1hp R&V I picked up in September. In the> box was the governor, ignitor & trip.> After 2.5hrs work (mainly getting the wasp nests out of the head, carby &> exhaust & freeing up stuck parts) the little engine fired first try. I still> have to make a few adjustments to get the governor working properly but it> is good to have another running R&V. Now I just have to make some time to> paint it and my other 1hp up to match the big 12hp :)> Some pics of the 1hp at:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv1hp1.html> > > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Nov 13 15:16:31 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:16:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating Message-ID: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Is there a list for dating Galloway engines? A friend just bought a 6 hp #40819. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Nov 13 15:52:37 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:52:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating References: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Ron, according to Cullom's list, 40131 was 7/1/19 and then gets a little blurry as 44449 was 1919. I reckon 1919 was be a good swag :-) RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating > Hi all. Is there a list for dating Galloway engines? A friend just > bought a 6 hp #40819. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 13 15:57:48 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:57:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating In-Reply-To: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <16754F18-B3AC-47E9-B36F-81A6B8DB05FE@rustyiron.com> Hi Ron, Try John Cullom. He has a nice serial number list on his web page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Nov 13, 2007, at 3:16 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. Is there a list for dating Galloway engines? A friend just > bought a 6 hp #40819. Thanks. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Nov 13 15:58:09 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:58:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - Amerind-MacKissic Mighty Mac Sprayer Model PS322T - OT In-Reply-To: References: <1194797146.4737285a6b175@webmail.city-net.com> <20071112115152.EE8FC2298B4@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <20071113235811.9678C22801B@md5.pennswoods.net> That would be a good deal Arnie. Would like to have it but with the cost of fuel oil i better hope for an other in the spring. R Fink At 10:51 AM 11/12/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Richard, $200 reserve. Thanks for looking. See ya, Arnie > >On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Richard Fink Sr wrote: > > > Arnie what is the reserve on it i would like to have that for my > fruit trees. > > > > At 11:05 AM 11/11/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260181349535 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1119 - Release Date: >11/8/2007 5:55 PM From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 13 16:11:54 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:11:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating In-Reply-To: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <0F5BCFFC-9515-4F3A-93A1-C47954D0010A@alltel.net> See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/ -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:16 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. Is there a list for dating Galloway engines? A friend just > bought a 6 hp #40819. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 13 16:43:36 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:43:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives! In-Reply-To: <20071113063653.MYJK11084.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071113063653.MYJK11084.oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, The pictures look great and I'm sure glad that the engine is running! I'm always glad to see engines built in one country running at shows in another country. Arnie's English "imports" are always a BIG hit here in the US, as is my Austral! I've heard that some in OZ have an objection to engines built in Australia being exported to the US. Never have figured out that kind of mentality! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 13, 2007, at 1:36 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I picked up a parcel from the post office yesterday which contained > parts I > had ordered from the USA for the 1hp R&V I picked up in September. > In the > box was the governor, ignitor & trip. > After 2.5hrs work (mainly getting the wasp nests out of the head, > carby & > exhaust & freeing up stuck parts) the little engine fired first > try. I still > have to make a few adjustments to get the governor working properly > but it > is good to have another running R&V. Now I just have to make some > time to > paint it and my other 1hp up to match the big 12hp :) > Some pics of the 1hp at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv1hp1.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Nov 13 18:00:43 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:00:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating Message-ID: <20071113.180158.716.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Rick Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:52:37 -0700 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Ron, according to Cullom's list, 40131 was 7/1/19 and then gets a > little > blurry as 44449 was 1919. I reckon 1919 was be a good swag :-) > > RickinMt. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Nov 13 18:01:58 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:01:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating Message-ID: <20071113.180158.716.7.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Dave. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:11:54 -0500 David Rotigel writes: > See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/ > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 13 19:15:35 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (ozengine at optusnet.com.au) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:15:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives! Message-ID: <200711140315.lAE3FZs8009044@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Liberals Dave, Liberals - the place is full of them. If you own something (engine) some want to tell you what you can or not do with it, crap, it is mine and I will decide what I will do with it. Dave it does not matter to these control freaks if it is made in Oz or not, they want it kept here and hide behind heritage PC crap. so please send back YOUR Austral and you not be reported. Kerry > I've heard that some in OZ have an objection to engines built in Australia > being exported to the US. Never have figured out that kind of mentality! > Dave > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 23:00:15 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:00:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Galloway dating In-Reply-To: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20071113.151631.716.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711132300u27ed832etfe973040a2f768b3@mail.gmail.com> On 13/11/2007, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. Is there a list for dating Galloway engines? A friend just > bought a 6 hp #40819. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell Not related to the original request, Ron, but yesterday morning I had a trip to Scotland to a Hydro-Electric plant, part of the Galloway Water Scheme, dated 1936. It's a 2-turbine 6MW stored water plant with a lake above the station which is emptied through the turbines in the afternoon/evening peak demand period, then fills up again overnight and in the morning. We have just supplied a dual-110V DC charger system and distribution board for the electrics at the station to be updated. When we go back to the station later in the month to commission the system, I'll get some pictures of the station and equipment. We are off to Phoenix, AZ this morning, we stayed with my sister overnight as she lives close to Gatwick Airport, saves a 100-mile dash in the rush-hour! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 14 14:15:11 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:15:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another One Lives! In-Reply-To: <200711140315.lAE3FZs8009044@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200711140315.lAE3FZs8009044@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <82B52CE0-5AE2-4CB1-8201-1AC1FA0DDEB4@alltel.net> Hi Kerry, A friend just e-mailed me the following. > Next week the Senate sub Committee on Trade is scheduled to > consider Senate Bill 6969, the Historical Artifact Preservation > Act. In section VII of the proposal, antique engines, industrial > machinery and farm equipment are specifically mentioned. The bill > would prohibit all export of "our precious historical heritage" as > well as create a super-fund for the purchase and repatriation of > artifacts have been stolen from our sacred shores and now reside in > the hands of foreign speculators. A blue ribbon commission will be > appointed to track down and recover our lost heritage. Please call > your Senator NOW and let him know how you feel. I don't know if it is true, or not, but I do know that some people in the US are attempting to fight back against the stupid assed people in NZ and OZ who have passed similar laws. They are ALL DIP SHITS if you ask me! Dave PS, I've also been told that several collectors in OZ have notified the "authorities" when a shipment of engines was about to be exported from your country. Do you have any information on that? I'd sure like to know who in the hell these people are, if the report is true! If true, they should be BLACK LISTED! PPS, Can I show the Austral next year before I send it back? PPPS, Please inform those from OZ who attempt to take back my Austral that most in the USA still "carry!" PPPPS, I thought you were a Communist? -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:15 PM, ozengine at optusnet.com.au wrote: > Liberals Dave, Liberals - the place is full of them. > If you own something (engine) some want to tell you what you can or > not do with it, crap, it is mine and I will decide what I will do > with it. > > Dave it does not matter to these control freaks if it is made in Oz > or not, they want it kept here and hide behind heritage PC crap. so > please send back YOUR Austral and you not be reported. > > Kerry > > > >> I've heard that some in OZ have an objection to engines built in >> Australia >> being exported to the US. Never have figured out that kind of >> mentality! >> Dave From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Wed Nov 14 19:11:28 2007 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:11:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dixie mag question Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20071114221128.022207fc@mail.accnorwalk.com> At 05:47 PM 11/12/07 -0800, you wrote: >Hi all. >Over the weekend a 4hp vertical Cushman serial no.27630 followed me home. > It has a Dixie magneto, my question is: what goes on the end of the >high tension wire where it goes into the lead out tower? It looks like >it might be an inch long and tapered. Specs on the mag, Patent dates of >Dec 16-13, July 28-14, Great Britain 8128 & 29655-13, 21583-14, Canada >Dec 22-14. On the other cover at the bottom, 194603 and 601. >Thanks. >Ron Haskell Ron, Looks like you got as much response on the Dixie as I did when I posted over on Harry's mag forum. I've got a couple that use the Dixie mag and both of mine have bakelight coated nuts that thread on the leadout tower. My question is, how does the magnet work being mounted front to back instead of being mounted side to side like a Bosch, Eiseman, ect. I've got one that had a decent spark but not a lot of pull when you turned it by hand and I didn't think I could crank it fast enough to spark. I took it to a mag shop to have it charged and they said they couldn't do it with the magnets on so they removed them and charged them and reassembled. Now I can't get a decent spark by hand and there is less drag. I've took it all the way down and really don't understand how the magnetic field of the magnets are intended to draw on the armature. The coil sits side to side on a laminated block inside of the magnet. They are trying to sell me a new coil but I don't think that's the problem. I really had more drag and better spark before it was charged. Paul(?) says they are a good mag, maybe he can enlighten us as to how they work????? The newest date on the one I'm working on is Jan of 15 so it may be a little newer. Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From curt at imc-group.com Fri Nov 16 09:23:49 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:23:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cyclone photos.... Message-ID: <473DD225.40007@imc-group.com> A flywheel engine? Anyone recognize it? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 16 11:34:02 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:34:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM Message-ID: Hi All, Richard Backus FINALLY decided to send me my Dec./Jan issue of GEM. It arrived today and it was well worth the wait! Christian Williams has done a fine article on a fine engine, ATIS was given a "plug" for our Charity Auction at Portland, several SEL members were pictured (apparently Christian thought one SEL member so damn ugly that only his "backside" is pictured--the "zakery" problem I suspect!) and several other SEL member's engines were also included. Apparently Richard has decided to give Christian a chance to prove himself as Assistant Editor of GEM. If the Dec./Jan issue of GEM is any indication I'd say that Richard has made a good choice! Dave PS, Welcome to OUR WORLD Christian! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Nov 16 11:49:04 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:49:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <473DF430.6080309@scrtc.com> Darn Dave, mine hasn't arrived yet and I live closer to KS than you do! Maybe it will get here tomorrow. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi All, > Richard Backus FINALLY decided to send me my Dec./Jan issue of GEM. >It arrived today and it was well worth the wait! Christian Williams >has done a fine article on a fine engine, ATIS was given a "plug" for >our Charity Auction at Portland, several SEL members were pictured >(apparently Christian thought one SEL member so damn ugly that only >his "backside" is pictured--the "zakery" problem I suspect!) and >several other SEL member's engines were also included. > Apparently Richard has decided to give Christian a chance to prove >himself as Assistant Editor of GEM. If the Dec./Jan issue of GEM is >any indication I'd say that Richard has made a good choice! > Dave >PS, Welcome to OUR WORLD Christian! > > >-------- >David Rotigel >rotigel at alltel.net > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Fri Nov 16 15:32:58 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:32:58 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM Message-ID: <001301c828a9$057cd3f0$f9b16d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guys, What took so long for you to get your copy of GEM mine arrived last Saturday, sure is along way for it to go accross the pond. Dave I whole heartidly agree with you about Christian lets hope he keeps up the good work. Craig in Scotland From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Nov 16 15:48:42 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:48:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <001301c828a9$057cd3f0$f9b16d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <001301c828a9$057cd3f0$f9b16d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <473E2C5A.8090005@scrtc.com> Craig, If you got yours last week, I've got to file a complaint with someone. I've been a first class mail subscriber to GEM for probably 25 years. Now I find out it gets to Dave, 500 miles further to travel by mail, before it gets to me and it gets to you, 3500 miles further than Dave, than it gets to him........ wow. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY craig morrison wrote: >Hi Guys, > > What took so long for you to get your copy of GEM mine arrived last Saturday, sure is along way for it to go accross the pond. > Dave I whole heartidly agree with you about Christian lets hope he keeps up the good work. > >Craig in Scotland >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Nov 16 16:54:11 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:54:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <473DF430.6080309@scrtc.com> References: <473DF430.6080309@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Gee Tommy, if you'd just invest a couple of bucks in the airmail delivery option (rather than that mule-back country delivery you get now), you'd probably cut two weeks off your delivery time. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Darn Dave, mine hasn't arrived yet and I live closer to KS than you do! > Maybe it will get here tomorrow. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 16 16:15:36 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:15:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <473E2C5A.8090005@scrtc.com> References: <001301c828a9$057cd3f0$f9b16d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <473E2C5A.8090005@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <02812221-AF74-47B0-AD0D-B72DAB19975F@alltel.net> Hi Tommy, Richard has instituted a new policy re: the mailing of GEM. Those who support the Hildibeast for president have the magazine mailed to them first. Both of those those subscriptions were mailed out about two weeks ago. Next would be those who have have voiced no opposition to her candidacy--that would be most of the subscribers from countries other than the USA. Finally the magazine is mailed to those of us how believe that any Republican would make a better president than any of the Socialist-Democrats that are running. Dave PS, Where, you may ask does that leave you? I forgot to mention that the last category for the mailing out of GEM is anyone who has run for public office and gotten elected! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 16, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Craig, > If you got yours last week, I've got to file a complaint with > someone. I've been a first class mail subscriber to GEM for > probably 25 > years. Now I find out it gets to Dave, 500 miles further to travel by > mail, before it gets to me and it gets to you, 3500 miles further than > Dave, than it gets to him........ wow. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > craig morrison wrote: > >> Hi Guys, >> >> What took so long for you to get your copy of GEM mine >> arrived last Saturday, sure is along way for it to go accross the >> pond. >> Dave I whole heartidly agree with you about Christian lets hope >> he keeps up the good work. >> >> Craig in Scotland >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Nov 16 16:27:44 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:27:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <02812221-AF74-47B0-AD0D-B72DAB19975F@alltel.net> References: <001301c828a9$057cd3f0$f9b16d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <473E2C5A.8090005@scrtc.com> <02812221-AF74-47B0-AD0D-B72DAB19975F@alltel.net> Message-ID: <473E3580.7000406@scrtc.com> DARN! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY David Rotigel wrote: >Hi Tommy, > Richard has instituted a new policy re: the mailing of GEM. Those >who support the Hildibeast for president have the magazine mailed to >them first. Both of those those subscriptions were mailed out about >two weeks ago. Next would be those who have have voiced no opposition >to her candidacy--that would be most of the subscribers from >countries other than the USA. Finally the magazine is mailed to those >of us how believe that any Republican would make a better president >than any of the Socialist-Democrats that are running. > Dave >PS, Where, you may ask does that leave you? I forgot to mention that >the last category for the mailing out of GEM is anyone who has run >for public office and gotten elected! > > >-------- >David Rotigel >rotigel at alltel.net > > > >On Nov 16, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>Craig, >> If you got yours last week, I've got to file a complaint with >>someone. I've been a first class mail subscriber to GEM for >>probably 25 >>years. Now I find out it gets to Dave, 500 miles further to travel by >>mail, before it gets to me and it gets to you, 3500 miles further than >>Dave, than it gets to him........ wow. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>craig morrison wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Guys, >>> >>> What took so long for you to get your copy of GEM mine >>>arrived last Saturday, sure is along way for it to go accross the >>>pond. >>> Dave I whole heartidly agree with you about Christian lets hope >>>he keeps up the good work. >>> >>>Craig in Scotland >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Nov 16 16:43:15 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:43:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM Message-ID: <20071116.194729.272.1.jlb94@juno.com> What do ya mean - - -Finally ??? Mine ain't here yet. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The richest person is not the one who has the most, (_o_) but the one who needs the least." . From ddotto at cableone.net Fri Nov 16 18:43:14 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:43:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <02812221-AF74-47B0-AD0D-B72DAB19975F@alltel.net> Message-ID: <000001c828c3$9a4424b0$0401a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Those who support the Hildibeast for president Oh Dave that's good. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 16 19:00:27 2007 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:30:27 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Cyclone photos.... In-Reply-To: <473DD225.40007@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000001c828c6$047dfb60$90caae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> Could it be one of these, http://www.chinamachinerytrading.com/diesel_engines.htm Just cant see the headlight. A flywheel engine? Anyone recognize it? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Nov 16 19:48:50 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:48:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cyclone photos.... References: <000001c828c6$047dfb60$90caae3a@chaosaffdac3c5> Message-ID: <00bf01c828cc$c4540820$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> If you recall I posted photos from our trip to Vietman last year. Perhaps it is like one of those. Check through http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/119814809dGvRfu Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cyclone photos.... > Could it be one of these, > http://www.chinamachinerytrading.com/diesel_engines.htm > Just cant see the headlight. > > > > > A flywheel engine? Anyone recognize it? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Nov 17 06:35:32 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:35:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> test From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Sat Nov 17 06:52:43 2007 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:52:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <002301c82929$8269d130$020ba8c0@Waynexp> You past the test! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Denis Rouleau Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:36 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] test test _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 17 06:57:06 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:57:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <1195311426.473f0142b8b15@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Dennis, Welcome back! What have you been up to engine-wise or otherwise? See ya, Arnie Quoting Denis Rouleau : > test From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Nov 17 07:28:16 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:28:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20071117102738.02f5c310@pop3.wcoil.com> Sorry, Try again I didn't get it. GRINN. At 09:35 AM 11/17/07, you wrote: >test > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Nov 17 07:30:28 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:30:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test References: <000a01c82927$1bdc87c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1195311426.473f0142b8b15@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8292e$c896f570$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Since I left this list 5 years ago I grew older and not wiser! I retired from my job of 35 years 2 years ago now (that's for the otherwise part). Engine-wise I grew from one to two sheds filled to the rafters with engines. Denis Rouleau Hey Dennis, Welcome back! What have you been up to engine-wise or otherwise? See ya, Arnie From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 15:37:41 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:37:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Surplus Shops Message-ID: <6f6025160711171537u2097990ey33afce8eee50ee2d@mail.gmail.com> Before we came over for our week in Phoenix, we asked on the components newsgroup about surplus places in the area that we could go and have a rummage through. One name that came up has turned out to be a little gold mine: Apache Reclamation & Electronics Inc., 313 W. Apache Street, Phoenix, AZ, 85003 602 254 0612 They also have a place in Albuquerque: Surplus City, 10805 Central N.E., Albuquerque, NM, 87123. 505 292 7131 We haven't been to the NM shop, but the one in Phoenix is well worth a call if you are over that way. They are technically electronics, but carry a huge range of mechanical parts like ball and rollers bearings, bearing housings/blocks, switches, pulleys, chain, connectors and so on. We spent an hour or so there and found a few bargains to follow us back to Tim's place. The shop front is in three sections, mostly electronics, but if you go out back, there is a very large racked area, probably 2000-3000sq ft area. Old radio tubes, semiconducvtors, test gear etc. Might be useful to folks who are in need or just like brousing round the old style surplus places. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sat Nov 17 17:07:11 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:07:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM References: Message-ID: <00cc01c8297f$59e90d10$f1d84c0c@D48VHZ61> I couldn't tell if I was reading GEM or a mountain of list emails! Quite a bit of familiar names in this issue. John Hall From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 17 17:51:48 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:51:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <00cc01c8297f$59e90d10$f1d84c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <00cc01c8297f$59e90d10$f1d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <473F9AB4.402@scrtc.com> Yeah I see why Dave liked it so much. It could have been titled "Rotigel's GEM Review" rather than just old GEM. Good article Dave. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY John Hall wrote: >I couldn't tell if I was reading GEM or a mountain of list emails! Quite a >bit of familiar names in this issue. > >John Hall > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From riga_fire at yahoo.com Sat Nov 17 18:40:37 2007 From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (Paul Russell) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:40:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Just joined....again Message-ID: <286831.37888.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Was on the list a few years ago and have just signed up again. I am 57, engineer in factory, cemetery sexton, Fire Chief, and have 16 engines (I think). Got to thinking about this when a friend called to see if I had a crank for his 3 hp engine he got at Portland. Reminded me of the discussions of using a crank......but I won't go there. 6 hp Herc Kero 6 hp Galloway, Galloway round rod 6 hp Economy 4 hp PT Legare (Canada) 1? hp Sandwich Fairbanks headless 1? and 3 hp John Deere Several Herc and Economy Coupla throttle governed that no one else wanted..... The education I received while on the list before has really helped me with the engines, and some not engine related too...... From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 17 19:24:41 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:24:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Just joined....again In-Reply-To: <286831.37888.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <286831.37888.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul, WELCOME HOME!!!!!!!!!! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 17, 2007, at 9:40 PM, Paul Russell wrote: > Was on the list a few years ago and have just signed up again. I am > 57, engineer in factory, cemetery sexton, Fire Chief, and have 16 > engines (I think). Got to thinking about this when a friend called > to see if I had a crank for his 3 hp engine he got at Portland. > Reminded me of the discussions of using a crank......but I won't go > there. > 6 hp Herc Kero > 6 hp Galloway, > Galloway round rod > 6 hp Economy > 4 hp PT Legare (Canada) > 1? hp Sandwich > Fairbanks headless > 1? and 3 hp John Deere > Several Herc and Economy > Coupla throttle governed that no one else wanted..... > > The education I received while on the list before has really helped > me with the engines, and some not engine related too...... > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 17 20:27:22 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:27:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <473F9AB4.402@scrtc.com> References: <00cc01c8297f$59e90d10$f1d84c0c@D48VHZ61> <473F9AB4.402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <2A639F2F-8EA7-47E9-A791-FA4FF2A6C8D4@alltel.net> Hi Tommy, I thought that Christian did an excellent job on the Austral piece. He seems to be a "quick learn", puts words together well, and does a GREAT job on the pictures! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 17, 2007, at 8:51 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Yeah I see why Dave liked it so much. It could have been titled > "Rotigel's GEM Review" rather than just old GEM. Good article Dave. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > John Hall wrote: > >> I couldn't tell if I was reading GEM or a mountain of list emails! >> Quite a >> bit of familiar names in this issue. >> >> John Hall >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 18 02:16:25 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:16:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&T - NRA In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20071114221128.022207fc@mail.accnorwalk.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20071114221128.022207fc@mail.accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <82D8FEFEEA624AC6869FA3A29F67D596@KerryPC> One for the Aussies Been asked for help from a TAFE for an engine they are restoring "Ronaldson bros. & Tippett 7hp Engine No 74219 type NRA, Particularly interested in colour specification" The engine dates at 1954, does anyone know of the correct colour Thanks Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 18 06:26:12 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:26:12 EST Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM Message-ID: In a message dated 11/16/2007 6:54:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: Now I find out it gets to Dave, 500 miles further to travel by mail, before it gets to me and it gets to you, 3500 miles further than Dave, than it gets to him........ wow. Tommy, I am probably somewhere in between Dave and Craig and have not gotten mine yet either. Go figure! Maybe there are being mailed out in alphabetical order of last name. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From MBellar at aol.com Sun Nov 18 07:36:57 2007 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:36:57 EST Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM Message-ID: In a message dated 11/18/2007 9:34:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: I am probably somewhere in between Dave and Craig and have not gotten mine yet either. Go figure! Maybe there are being mailed out in alphabetical order of last name. Perhaps you should find out if the person who delivers your mail reviews your copy for a few days before stuffing your mail box. Tom ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 18 07:54:47 2007 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:54:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM References: <001301c828a9$057cd3f0$f9b16d58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <473E2C5A.8090005@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001101c829fb$58a704d0$0132a8c0@VALUED3253602F> Tommy I gave up the first class years ago, my buddy lived within 10 miles of me and would get his about the same time by regular mail. Got mine Saturday by the way. Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM > Craig, > If you got yours last week, I've got to file a complaint with > someone. I've been a first class mail subscriber to GEM for probably 25 > years. Now I find out it gets to Dave, 500 miles further to travel by > mail, before it gets to me and it gets to you, 3500 miles further than > Dave, than it gets to him........ wow. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > craig morrison wrote: > > >Hi Guys, > > > > What took so long for you to get your copy of GEM mine arrived last Saturday, sure is along way for it to go accross the pond. > > Dave I whole heartidly agree with you about Christian lets hope he keeps up the good work. > > > >Craig in Scotland > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 18 10:29:00 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:29:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM Message-ID: <20071118.102901.1940.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> I got mine yesterday. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:26:12 EST Germoamer at aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 11/16/2007 6:54:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > > Now I find out it gets to Dave, 500 miles further to travel by > mail, before it gets to me and it gets to you, 3500 miles further > than > Dave, than it gets to him........ wow. > > Tommy, > > I am probably somewhere in between Dave and Craig and have not > gotten mine > yet either. Go figure! Maybe there are being mailed out in > alphabetical order > of last name. > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 18 11:30:50 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:30:50 EST Subject: [SEL] Dec/Jan. GEM Message-ID: In a message dated 11/18/2007 10:44:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, MBellar at aol.com writes: Perhaps you should find out if the person who delivers your mail reviews your copy for a few days before stuffing your mail box. Living in rural America where we just got 911 addresses last year, I suppose I should feel fortunate I get any mail at all! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun Nov 18 12:15:25 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:15:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dorcet show engine video In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711171537u2097990ey33afce8eee50ee2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711171537u2097990ey33afce8eee50ee2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47409D5D.9090307@xplornet.com> Hi Guys, I just posted a video to of one of the many very nice engines that were at the show. Thought I would share it. Be aware the file is 18mb. Hope you enjoy it. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 18 14:09:21 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:09:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EUREKA - Semi-OT Message-ID: <1195423761.4740b81102051@webmail.city-net.com> Folks, If you ever do much searching on eBay for engines, parts, etc. I'm sure you've run into the gross keyword spammers who end up with hundreds of their auctions in your search result. What that usually means is going over their auction description to see if you can find common keywords that will let you screen out their auctions. Clearly a pain in the ass and a waste of time. No more! I found out how to screen out ALL auctions from a given seller. When you use the Advanced Search, scroll down to From Sellers, select From Specific Sellers, and select Exclude. You can then list up to 10 sellers to exclude from that search result! In my case today, I was searching for Power Hacksaws, and ended up with HUNDREDS of auctions for cheap Chinese tools. After excluding that seller I had a couple of dozen relevant auctions. MUCH better! 8-)))) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From milo at hughes.net Sun Nov 18 14:42:56 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:42:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EUREKA - Semi-OT In-Reply-To: <1195423761.4740b81102051@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1195423761.4740b81102051@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000001c82a34$630b9ab0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Thanks for search tip Arnie. I'll put it to good use. Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com >Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:09 PM >To: Stationary Engine List; Old_Engine >Subject: [SEL] EUREKA - Semi-OT > >Folks, > >If you ever do much searching on eBay for engines, parts, etc. I'm sure >you've >run into the gross keyword spammers who end up with hundreds of their >auctions >in your search result. What that usually means is going over their auction >description to see if you can find common keywords that will let you screen >out >their auctions. Clearly a pain in the ass and a waste of time. > >No more! > >I found out how to screen out ALL auctions from a given seller. > >When you use the Advanced Search, scroll down to From Sellers, select From >Specific Sellers, and select Exclude. You can then list up to 10 sellers >to >exclude from that search result! > >In my case today, I was searching for Power Hacksaws, and ended up with >HUNDREDS >of auctions for cheap Chinese tools. After excluding that seller I had a >couple of dozen relevant auctions. MUCH better! 8-)))) > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 >2:55 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 18 15:25:01 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:25:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another R&V Message-ID: <20071118232458.UBJU3616.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I drove 2000km on the weekend to pick up this little beauty: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110017.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110019.JPG It is a BL 2hp R&V and should not take too much to get running :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 18 16:59:34 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:59:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EUREKA - Semi-OT In-Reply-To: <1195423761.4740b81102051@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1195423761.4740b81102051@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <97AC955F-6B9D-4510-9E71-7FC92DC4EE57@alltel.net> Thanks Arnie a search "blower" over the years has let to some interesting results. I'll follow your advice from ow on! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 18, 2007, at 5:09 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Folks, > > If you ever do much searching on eBay for engines, parts, etc. I'm > sure you've > run into the gross keyword spammers who end up with hundreds of > their auctions > in your search result. What that usually means is going over their > auction > description to see if you can find common keywords that will let > you screen out > their auctions. Clearly a pain in the ass and a waste of time. > > No more! > > I found out how to screen out ALL auctions from a given seller. > > When you use the Advanced Search, scroll down to From Sellers, > select From > Specific Sellers, and select Exclude. You can then list up to 10 > sellers to > exclude from that search result! > > In my case today, I was searching for Power Hacksaws, and ended up > with HUNDREDS > of auctions for cheap Chinese tools. After excluding that seller I > had a > couple of dozen relevant auctions. MUCH better! 8-)))) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 18 17:02:58 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:02:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another R&V In-Reply-To: <20071118232458.UBJU3616.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071118232458.UBJU3616.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: WOW Patrick! In what part of OZ was this engine built? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 18, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I drove 2000km on the weekend to pick up this little beauty: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110017.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110019.JPG > > It is a BL 2hp R&V and should not take too much to get running :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 18 17:27:08 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:27:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another R&V In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071119012705.VYUK12832.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> East Moline, Illinois is a small locality near Melbourne. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- WOW Patrick! In what part of OZ was this engine built? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 18, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I drove 2000km on the weekend to pick up this little beauty: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110017.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110019.JPG > > It is a BL 2hp R&V and should not take too much to get running :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 18 17:44:50 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:44:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another R&V In-Reply-To: <20071119012705.VYUK12832.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071119012705.VYUK12832.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <805A2B67-7F5A-41EA-B9A8-2F53614B68AF@alltel.net> Is that why some in OZ believe that they should not be exported? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > East Moline, Illinois is a small locality near Melbourne. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > -----Original Message----- > > > WOW Patrick! In what part of OZ was this engine built? > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Nov 18, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> I drove 2000km on the weekend to pick up this little beauty: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110017.JPG >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110019.JPG >> >> It is a BL 2hp R&V and should not take too much to get running :) >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 18 18:39:38 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:39:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another R&V References: <20071119012705.VYUK12832.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <805A2B67-7F5A-41EA-B9A8-2F53614B68AF@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001c01c82a55$6efe5e90$78c7ecdc@Edd> I have a 40 foot container leaving LA for Australia mid December Dave,will give you the contact # so you can deliver the Austral for repatriation to where it belongs.(HE HE) EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another R&V > Is that why some in OZ believe that they should not be exported? > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> East Moline, Illinois is a small locality near Melbourne. >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> WOW Patrick! In what part of OZ was this engine built? >> Dave >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Nov 18, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> >>> I drove 2000km on the weekend to pick up this little beauty: >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110017.JPG >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110019.JPG >>> >>> It is a BL 2hp R&V and should not take too much to get running :) >>> >>> Patrick M Livingstone >>> Leichhardt NSW >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Nov 19 00:16:51 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:16:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another R&V References: <20071118232458.UBJU3616.oaamta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001501c82a84$89e5d650$0601a8c0@altech> Is the serial number BL33897??? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >I drove 2000km on the weekend to pick up this little beauty: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110017.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/07110019.JPG > > It is a BL 2hp R&V and should not take too much to get running :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Mon Nov 19 04:17:52 2007 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:17:52 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM References: <00cc01c8297f$59e90d10$f1d84c0c@D48VHZ61> <473F9AB4.402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <01fe01c82aa6$35700290$f301a8c0@armstrong> how much will the gem magazine cost Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM > Yeah I see why Dave liked it so much. It could have been titled > "Rotigel's GEM Review" rather than just old GEM. Good article Dave. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > John Hall wrote: > >>I couldn't tell if I was reading GEM or a mountain of list emails! Quite a >>bit of familiar names in this issue. >> >>John Hall >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 19 05:46:11 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:46:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dec./Jan. GEM In-Reply-To: <01fe01c82aa6$35700290$f301a8c0@armstrong> References: <00cc01c8297f$59e90d10$f1d84c0c@D48VHZ61> <473F9AB4.402@scrtc.com> <01fe01c82aa6$35700290$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <474193A3.4010602@scrtc.com> Kevin, Go to www.gasenginemagazine.com and you can find all the subscription info. Our local Tractor Supply Company carries the magazine and I know of a friend or two that used to be subscribers that now pick a copy up there rather than through the mail. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >how much will the gem magazine cost > >Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong >Collectors of old things >Perth >WA >Australia >Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member >V.C.C. of WA. member >k_armstrong at arach.net.au >www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong > > > From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Mon Nov 19 14:20:58 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:20:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&T - NRA In-Reply-To: <82D8FEFEEA624AC6869FA3A29F67D596@KerryPC> References: <3.0.3.32.20071114221128.022207fc@mail.accnorwalk.com> <82D8FEFEEA624AC6869FA3A29F67D596@KerryPC> Message-ID: <002401c82afa$79b03200$6d109600$@net.au> Kerry The one I had was Brunswick green. I have seen them in other colours, depending on who used them for what. I do have a manual for one. Could easily copy and send. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2007 8:16 To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] R&T - NRA One for the Aussies Been asked for help from a TAFE for an engine they are restoring "Ronaldson bros. & Tippett 7hp Engine No 74219 type NRA, Particularly interested in colour specification" The engine dates at 1954, does anyone know of the correct colour Thanks Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From milo at hughes.net Mon Nov 19 18:27:54 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:27:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Russell Road Patrol #3 Message-ID: <000c01c82b1c$fb30fef0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Posted in another forum (Yesterday's Tractor), but so far no replies. Thought I'd try here, as ya'll are so helpful. I am looking for any resources on this machine. I will most likely be the proud owner / restorer, sometime this coming December. It has a (stuck) 10-20 McCormick-Deering engine for power. Circa 1926-28. So far the only info I have is a book "Russell Graders Photo Archives" purchased off "E-Bay". (alas, no color pictures). Any help much appreciated. Peace Milo Milo Holroyd Kalamazoo, Michigan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Nov 19 19:03:46 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:03:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Russell Road Patrol #3 References: <000c01c82b1c$fb30fef0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Message-ID: <00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Sounds great! I would join the AT and Farmall lists though. IH tractors and power units were in a lot of equipment that they did not completely manufacture. Engine parts should be relatively easy to get assuming it is the same as the farm tractors, try Rice Equip. and the Fordson House. Jensales and Binder Books would be a good place to check on manuals. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milo" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Russell Road Patrol #3 > Posted in another forum (Yesterday's Tractor), but so far no replies. > Thought I'd try here, as ya'll are so helpful. > > I am looking for any resources on this machine. > > I will most likely be the proud owner / restorer, sometime this coming > December. > > It has a (stuck) 10-20 McCormick-Deering engine for power. > Circa 1926-28. > > So far the only info I have is a book "Russell Graders Photo Archives" > purchased off "E-Bay". (alas, no color pictures). > > Any help much appreciated. > > Peace > Milo > > Milo Holroyd > Kalamazoo, Michigan > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: > 11/17/2007 > 2:55 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From milo at hughes.net Tue Nov 20 09:38:37 2007 From: milo at hughes.net (Milo) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:38:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Russell Road Patrol #3 In-Reply-To: <00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <000c01c82b1c$fb30fef0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <000301c82b9c$6b1acc30$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> Thanks for the reply John. I am really looking forward to bringing this old iron to life. Peace Milo >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:04 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Russell Road Patrol #3 > >Sounds great! I would join the AT and Farmall lists though. > > IH tractors and power units were in a lot of equipment that they did not >completely manufacture. > >Engine parts should be relatively easy to get assuming it is the same as >the >farm tractors, try Rice Equip. and the Fordson House. > >Jensales and Binder Books would be a good place to check on manuals. > >John Hall > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Milo" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:27 PM >Subject: [SEL] Russell Road Patrol #3 > > >> Posted in another forum (Yesterday's Tractor), but so far no replies. >> Thought I'd try here, as ya'll are so helpful. >> >> I am looking for any resources on this machine. >> >> I will most likely be the proud owner / restorer, sometime this coming >> December. >> >> It has a (stuck) 10-20 McCormick-Deering engine for power. >> Circa 1926-28. >> >> So far the only info I have is a book "Russell Graders Photo Archives" >> purchased off "E-Bay". (alas, no color pictures). >> >> Any help much appreciated. >> >> Peace >> Milo >> >> Milo Holroyd >> Kalamazoo, Michigan >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: >> 11/17/2007 >> 2:55 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 >2:55 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 20 17:22:32 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:22:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD Message-ID: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Has anyone bought the 4 disc set of GEM on CD? I was wondering how the quality of the older magazines are, especially the photos. I have all the GEM's from about '84 till now. I suspicion some of the first copies would have good recovery and restoration stories. Any comments? John Hall From blcksmth at wcnet.org Tue Nov 20 17:31:29 2007 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:31:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD In-Reply-To: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <000301c82bde$4040c5e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> I tried earlier today, but the web site still shows the original price, not the sale price as shown in the magazines. I am waiting for a reply to my e-mail if the online price is the same as the printed price. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:23 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD Has anyone bought the 4 disc set of GEM on CD? I was wondering how the quality of the older magazines are, especially the photos. I have all the GEM's from about '84 till now. I suspicion some of the first copies would have good recovery and restoration stories. Any comments? John Hall _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 20 17:44:57 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:44:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD References: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> <000301c82bde$4040c5e0$3464a8c0@Eagle> Message-ID: <009101c82be0$2032d4d0$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> The back cover has it for $24.95. I believe there are 3 different prices in the current issue. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Willman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] GEM on CD > I tried earlier today, but the web site still shows the original > price, not the sale price as shown in the magazines. I am waiting for a > reply to my e-mail if the online price is the same as the printed price. > > > Bob Willman > Bowling Green, Ohio > The Eagle's Anvil > WB8NQW > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:23 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD > > Has anyone bought the 4 disc set of GEM on CD? I was wondering how the > quality of the older magazines are, especially the photos. I have all the > GEM's from about '84 till now. I suspicion some of the first copies would > have good recovery and restoration stories. > > Any comments? > > John Hall > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 20 17:52:34 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:52:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD In-Reply-To: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: Yeah, it's a really nice arrangement. Everyone who ever has reason to crack open the BYB can benefit from a copy of GEM on disc. I've copied all the discs to my hard drive, so I don't have to futz around with discs. To browse or search, I open up that particular folder, and it behaves as if I had that disc stuffed into my DVD drive bay. One weakness is that it should be possible to copy all the CD's to one directory on your hard drive, then do ONE search across all the volumes. I can't figure out how to do this. Even so, you NEED to get the set. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Nov 20, 2007, at 5:22 PM, John Hall wrote: > Has anyone bought the 4 disc set of GEM on CD? I was wondering how the > quality of the older magazines are, especially the photos. I have > all the > GEM's from about '84 till now. I suspicion some of the first copies > would > have good recovery and restoration stories. From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed Nov 21 14:29:58 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:29:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT- Massey-Harris parts wanted In-Reply-To: <00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <000c01c82b1c$fb30fef0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> <00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <4744B166.8090001@xplornet.com> Hello Group, Sorry for posting this here but I'm sure many of you are knowledgeable on tractors too. My bother-in-Law is looking for a manifold for a Massey-Harris tractor. The M-H 555 has the same engine. The engine is a J382 Continental. The casting number is J382608. He would appreciate any leads to obtaining a new or used one. A used one preferred. A Canadian source is the best but we will be happy to hear of any source. Thanks in advance. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From skipl130 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 15:49:52 2007 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:49:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT- Massey-Harris parts wanted In-Reply-To: <4744B166.8090001@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <146736.15695.qm@web35312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> rupert, contact me off list. skip Rupert wrote: Hello Group, Sorry for posting this here but I'm sure many of you are knowledgeable on tractors too. My bother-in-Law is looking for a manifold for a Massey-Harris tractor. The M-H 555 has the same engine. The engine is a J382 Continental. The casting number is J382608. He would appreciate any leads to obtaining a new or used one. A used one preferred. A Canadian source is the best but we will be happy to hear of any source. Thanks in advance. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Nov 21 19:08:30 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:08:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Message-ID: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> On the way home from picking up the R&V on the weekend we called in to the rally at Taralga. Some pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar071.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 21 19:54:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:54:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <2A59CF13-B031-436D-9C9C-CC08362242BD@alltel.net> Hi Patrick, Nice set of pictures! I notice that the Allen had a flame on the bulb, but appeared to be running at a pretty good clip. Is that typical of an Allen engine, or simply that the engine was under no great load? Was that engine about 6 HP? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 21, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > On the way home from picking up the R&V on the weekend we called in > to the > rally at Taralga. Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar071.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 21 22:26:58 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:26:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, You blokes sure have a lot of "A" Class engines at your shows. My favorite is the Meadowbank. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Nov 21, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > On the way home from picking up the R&V on the weekend we called in > to the > rally at Taralga. Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar071.html From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 21 22:32:51 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:32:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <2A59CF13-B031-436D-9C9C-CC08362242BD@alltel.net> References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2A59CF13-B031-436D-9C9C-CC08362242BD@alltel.net> Message-ID: <8BB8F94C-3BDE-491E-B8E7-4B828446D6D4@rustyiron.com> On Nov 21, 2007, at 7:54 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Patrick, > Nice set of pictures! I notice that the Allen had a flame on the > bulb, but appeared to be running at a pretty good clip. Is that > typical of an Allen engine, or simply that the engine was under no > great load? Was that engine about 6 HP? > Dave > Hi Dave, Although this doesn't exactly answer your question, perhaps it will be of help. Allan Brothers made the earlier "continuous lamp" engine, then later made their "lamp start" engine. If you need me to explain the difference, let me know. The continuous lamp had a characteristic "cake pan" air inlet. The lamp start engine has a more traditional "Hornsby-shaped" vaporizer and the unique "donut-shaped" air inlet, although it is missing on the engine pictured. Rob From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Nov 21 23:09:06 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:09:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Message-ID: <20071121.230906.1940.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> My favorite is the Tangye. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tar07/07110072.JPG But I wouldn't turn down the Meadowbank. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:26:58 -0800 Rob Skinner writes: > Hi Patrick, > You blokes sure have a lot of "A" Class engines at your shows. My > > favorite is the Meadowbank. > > > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 01:55:15 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:55:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD In-Reply-To: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <008001c82bdc$fe94c020$62d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <6f6025160711220155r55f3ef52n1cb3c207f24c1f69@mail.gmail.com> On 21/11/2007, John Hall wrote: > Has anyone bought the 4 disc set of GEM on CD? I was wondering how the > quality of the older magazines are, especially the photos. I have all the > GEM's from about '84 till now. I suspicion some of the first copies would > have good recovery and restoration stories. > > Any comments? > > John Hall > We bought the set last year or the year before, can't remember which :-)) Fine for the basics, but the search function isn't too good. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 22 03:58:41 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:58:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2A59CF13-B031-436D-9C9C-CC08362242BD@alltel.net> Message-ID: <002401c82cff$07b05b60$97b5ecdc@Edd> The Allen is a 3 1/2 HP lamp start.It did run for a considerable length of time without the lamp.It was driving a small water pump to give it some load. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga > Hi Patrick, > Nice set of pictures! I notice that the Allen had a flame on the > bulb, but appeared to be running at a pretty good clip. Is that > typical of an Allen engine, or simply that the engine was under no > great load? Was that engine about 6 HP? > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Nov 21, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> On the way home from picking up the R&V on the weekend we called in >> to the >> rally at Taralga. Some pics at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar071.html >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Nov 22 05:20:18 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:20:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD Message-ID: <112220071320.4773.47458212000A180B000012A5219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Peter, Yes I purchased a set this past summer and finally got around to viewing recently. Of course the early discs are B&W and the pics are not too bad. They have most of the orginal articles which gives you plenty of hours of reading time if you like. Wish I would of waited until now to get them as the price is reduced but it was money well spent and now maybe I can unload the orginal magazines and free up some space around the house. Curt Andree ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Listerdiesel To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] GEM on CD Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:08:54 +0000 > On 21/11/2007, John Hall wrote: > > Has anyone bought the 4 disc set of GEM on CD? I was wondering how the > > quality of the older magazines are, especially the photos. I have all the > > GEM's from about '84 till now. I suspicion some of the first copies would > > have good recovery and restoration stories. > > > > Any comments? > > > > John Hall > > > > We bought the set last year or the year before, can't remember which :-)) > > Fine for the basics, but the search function isn't too good. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 22 07:41:51 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:41:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <8BB8F94C-3BDE-491E-B8E7-4B828446D6D4@rustyiron.com> References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2A59CF13-B031-436D-9C9C-CC08362242BD@alltel.net> <8BB8F94C-3BDE-491E-B8E7-4B828446D6D4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, > Hi Dave, > Although this doesn't exactly answer your question, perhaps it will be > of help. Allan Brothers made the earlier "continuous lamp" engine, > then later made their "lamp start" engine. If you need me to explain > the difference, let me know. Thanks, but I asked Jennie and she said that the "continuous lamp" engine had the lamp on all the time it was running, where as the "lamp start" engine used the lamp only for starting and then the lamp was turned off. I think I understand now. > > Rob Dave PS. It seemed to make sense the way Jennie explained it! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 22 08:08:35 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:08:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Update on Bill Miller Message-ID: <00fb01c82d21$f0559390$240110ac@FAMILY> Folks I just got off of the telephone with Bill's wife and she said Bill is not any better. He now cannot talk as the tumor, according to another M.R.I., has grown in his head even more. It looks like, unless the Good Lord intercedes, our friend and engine buddy will be leaving this World very soon. Please remember him, and his family, in your prayers today as you give the Lord thanks for all that He has done for you. I wish each and everyone of you a very Happy Thanksgiving, enjoy the time with your family and don't forget to tell them that you love them. Paul From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 22 08:21:16 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:21:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <1195748476.4745ac7c0fe08@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, I really took a fancy to two of the engines; the Wombat and the Meadowbank. Are they as rare as I think they are? I don't think I've heard of either one before. Both are pretty neat. Thanks for posting the show pics. See ya, Arnie Quoting Patrick M Livingstone : > On the way home from picking up the R&V on the weekend we called in to the > rally at Taralga. Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar071.html From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Nov 22 08:37:05 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:37:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Update on Bill Miller In-Reply-To: <00fb01c82d21$f0559390$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00fb01c82d21$f0559390$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <4745B031.7020205@scrtc.com> Thanks for the update Paul. We'll be saying some prayers for him and his loved ones. While I didn't know Bill well, we did converse from time to time and met up at a few shows and enjoyed each others company. God bless him and his family. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Paul Maples wrote: >Folks I just got off of the telephone with Bill's wife and she said Bill is not any better. He now cannot talk as the tumor, according to another M.R.I., has grown in his head even more. It looks like, unless the Good Lord intercedes, our friend and engine buddy will be leaving this World very soon. > >Please remember him, and his family, in your prayers today as you give the Lord thanks for all that He has done for you. > >I wish each and everyone of you a very Happy Thanksgiving, enjoy the time with your family and don't forget to tell them that you love them. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From yostsw at atis.net Thu Nov 22 08:49:50 2007 From: yostsw at atis.net (yostsw at atis.net) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:49:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving and Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <00fb01c82d21$f0559390$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00fb01c82d21$f0559390$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <2044.71.74.28.53.1195750190.squirrel@secure.atis.net> Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on the ATIS Lists. Hope its safe, happy, and full of family and warmth. Since Thanksgiving is early this year. I'll be starting the auction next week(actually I hope to finish the work Sunday). Just wanted to let you know since I start it right before Thanksgiving usually. Get your donations ready! Happy Thanksgiving! Spencer From cjclem at sysim.net Thu Nov 22 09:02:16 2007 From: cjclem at sysim.net (cjclem at sysim.net) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:02:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally Pic's Message-ID: <20071122120216.gvxh7bzhcgk8sws8@s17.sysim.com> Thanks for posting. A question, would the Meadowbrook be a "reverse rotation" engine compared to Wombat as the curved spokes are reversed?? From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 22 09:13:14 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:13:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Update on Bill Miller References: <00fb01c82d21$f0559390$240110ac@FAMILY> <4745B031.7020205@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <014301c82d2a$f8497860$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Tommy, I know Bill and his family will appreciate your thoughts and prayers. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on Bill Miller > Thanks for the update Paul. We'll be saying some prayers for him and > his loved ones. While I didn't know Bill well, we did converse from > time to time and met up at a few shows and enjoyed each others company. > God bless him and his family. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Paul Maples wrote: > >>Folks I just got off of the telephone with Bill's wife and she said Bill >>is not any better. He now cannot talk as the tumor, according to another >>M.R.I., has grown in his head even more. It looks like, unless the Good >>Lord intercedes, our friend and engine buddy will be leaving this World >>very soon. >> >>Please remember him, and his family, in your prayers today as you give >>the Lord thanks for all that He has done for you. >> >>I wish each and everyone of you a very Happy Thanksgiving, enjoy the time >>with your family and don't forget to tell them that you love them. >> >>Paul >>_______________________________________________ >> From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 22 09:57:19 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:57:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2A59CF13-B031-436D-9C9C-CC08362242BD@alltel.net> <8BB8F94C-3BDE-491E-B8E7-4B828446D6D4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: On Nov 22, 2007, at 7:41 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > PS. It seemed to make sense the way Jennie explained it! > You're a lucky man. I still don't understand why she keeps you around. Rob From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 22 11:25:29 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:25:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <1195748476.4745ac7c0fe08@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20071122030824.YZWN6288.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <1195748476.4745ac7c0fe08@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: G'Day Arnie The wombat is rare 8-)) its a model but a very good one and the builder has only built about 6 but has a few on order. The Meadowbank is rare in the real sense but I don't know how many they made, looks unusual with 4 spokes Kerry ----- Original Message ----- > > I really took a fancy to two of the engines; the Wombat and the > Meadowbank. > Are they as rare as I think they are? I don't think I've heard of either > one > before. Both are pretty neat. Thanks for posting the show pics. > > See ya, Arnie > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 22 11:41:19 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:41:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Taralga In-Reply-To: <1195748476.4745ac7c0fe08@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20071122194111.GZFY12231.oaamta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Arnie, As Kerry said, the Wombat is a model. The Meadowbank is a copy of the Scottish Melvin engine and was made (funnily enough) in Meadowbank, Sydney. They are quite a rare engine. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- G'day Patrick, I really took a fancy to two of the engines; the Wombat and the Meadowbank. Are they as rare as I think they are? I don't think I've heard of either one before. Both are pretty neat. Thanks for posting the show pics. See ya, Arnie Quoting Patrick M Livingstone : > On the way home from picking up the R&V on the weekend we called in to the > rally at Taralga. Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar071.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Nov 22 18:01:17 2007 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:01:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GEM on CD References: <112220071320.4773.47458212000A180B000012A5219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <004401c82d74$bcf75080$21d24c0c@D48VHZ61> OK, sounds like a good buy. I'll talk to "Santa" and see if I can get them instead of a lump of coal in my stocking. John From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 23 07:23:47 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:23:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims Message-ID: Well, the hogfest is over, little snow on the ground, 8 above zero and life is good in the Big Sky. Old iron is on hold as shed is getting a complete makeover...there's a floor there somewhere . Been toying with the idea of making my own laminated shims out of...well you guessed it. I'm thinking around .032" or something thin enough to cut and punch. Used some super glue with undesirable results but it was old. Anyone ever played around with this idea and what did you use for glue? As you all might know, laminated shim stock is very pricy. Turkey sandmiches today....Yahoo!!! TIA, RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 23 07:34:34 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:34:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, Why on earth do you want laminated shims? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 23, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Well, the hogfest is over, little snow on the ground, 8 above > zero and > life is good in the Big Sky. Old iron is on hold as shed is getting a > complete makeover...there's a floor there somewhere . > > Been toying with the idea of making my own laminated shims out > of...well > you guessed it. I'm thinking around .032" or something thin enough > to cut > and punch. Used some super glue with undesirable results but it > was old. > Anyone ever played around with this idea and what did you use for > glue? As > you all might know, laminated shim stock is very pricy. > > Turkey sandmiches today....Yahoo!!! > > TIA, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 23 07:44:13 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:44:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims References: Message-ID: Dave, I feel they are a lot friendlier to use and down the road removing say a .003 laminate would be easy. I also like the idea of having two small tit's on each end of the shim as it keeps the stackup properly aligned. > Hi Rick, Why on earth do you want laminated shims? > Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 23 08:17:13 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:17:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0305A44B-F689-4030-901D-6C7DD8E09680@alltel.net> I see. I figure that 69 years from now (when .003 needs to be removed from the mains on my 16 HP Galloway) it will be SEP! Dave PS, You need to spend more time MAKING shim stock and less time WORRYING about .003! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 23, 2007, at 10:44 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Dave, I feel they are a lot friendlier to use and down the road > removing say > a .003 laminate would be easy. I also like the idea of having two > small > tit's on each end of the shim as it keeps the stackup properly > aligned. > > >> Hi Rick, Why on earth do you want laminated shims? >> Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Fri Nov 23 08:19:56 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:19:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4746FDAC.4080301@xplornet.com> Hello Rick, We had to make our own when I was in trade school years ago for babbetted rod bearings. I believe the shim stack is soldered along the journal edge of the shim. It's been along time but I think the total stack we used for each side was about 1/8" with the majority of the shims made from shim stock under .005". The thinest being 0.001". Rupert Richard Strobel wrote: > Well, the hogfest is over, little snow on the ground, 8 above zero and > life is good in the Big Sky. Old iron is on hold as shed is getting a > complete makeover...there's a floor there somewhere . > > Been toying with the idea of making my own laminated shims out of...well > you guessed it. I'm thinking around .032" or something thin enough to cut > and punch. Used some super glue with undesirable results but it was old. > Anyone ever played around with this idea and what did you use for glue? As > you all might know, laminated shim stock is very pricy. > > Turkey sandmiches today....Yahoo!!! > > TIA, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Nov 23 11:09:51 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:09:51 EST Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims Message-ID: In a message dated 11/23/2007 10:54:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: I feel they are a lot friendlier to use and down the road removing say a .003 laminate would be easy. Rick, Use dense posterboard/cardboard(like the back of a tablet). It is laminated and can be split apart when needed. If you want, glue the stacked pieces together with Elmers. I have a bunch of it that came in x-ray film that works great. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Nov 23 12:22:13 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:22:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Laminated shims References: Message-ID: <002a01c82e0e$8c7496d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Tell the truth. You KNOW you are looking for a reason to have all that beer hidden in your shed! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Laminated shims > Dave, I feel they are a lot friendlier to use and down the road removing > say a .003 laminate would be easy. I also like the idea of having two > small tit's on each end of the shim as it keeps the stackup properly > aligned. > > >> Hi Rick, Why on earth do you want laminated shims? >> Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Fri Nov 23 13:01:51 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:01:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines Message-ID: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Here is a picture taken in July 2007, only seconds before I became the owner of a 5hp and a 7hp Stickney engine: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/lanarkauc.jpg Once I got home with them I started researching the C.A. Stickney Company and their engines and to my surprise there was very little information on the web about these fine machines so I decided to start a registry of Stickney engines and along the way was able to put together quite a bit on info on Stickney engines: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/000index.html If someone here has anything "Stickney" to add I will gladly like to here from you. Thanks! Denis Rouleau From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Nov 23 12:34:10 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:34:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071123221626.00b8d460@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, When does the Christmas Charity Auction get started? It was great fun last year and I've got a few bits to offer again. On that subject, one gentleman has still not sent me the details of the engine plates he won (and paid Spencer for) on last years auction :-) !! No names will be mentioned but I judge that he should be able to send me the details soon :-) No problem, there was not a time limit but I'm 58 years old and we do not have forever!! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 14:40:05 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:40:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20071123221626.00b8d460@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <275660.91708.qm@web37310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry, You must have missed Spencer's post yesterday. Here is a copy of it. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on the ATIS Lists. Hope its safe, happy, and full of family and warmth. Since Thanksgiving is early this year. I'll be starting the auction next week(actually I hope to finish the work Sunday). Just wanted to let you know since I start it right before Thanksgiving usually. Get your donations ready! Happy Thanksgiving! Spencer Jerry Evans wrote: Hi Guys, When does the Christmas Charity Auction get started? It was great fun last year and I've got a few bits to offer again. On that subject, one gentleman has still not sent me the details of the engine plates he won (and paid Spencer for) on last years auction :-) !! No names will be mentioned but I judge that he should be able to send me the details soon :-) No problem, there was not a time limit but I'm 58 years old and we do not have forever!! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Nov 24 07:43:31 2007 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:43:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines In-Reply-To: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: HI Dennis, Thanks for all the Stickney info. I had gone to the computer just now to ask for help on mine. I started stripping the bad paint job off my 3 hp and underneath I found what I thought might be the original paint but it was red and I'd only seen blue Stickneys. Now looking at your pictures there are several red ones there. What is the story on red vs blue stickneys? I'm going to leave mine original red if that is really a stickney color. Thanks Steve> From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:01:51 -0500> Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines> > Here is a picture taken in July 2007, only seconds before I became the owner of a 5hp and a 7hp Stickney engine: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/lanarkauc.jpg > > Once I got home with them I started researching the C.A. Stickney Company and their engines and to my surprise> there was very little information on the web about these fine machines so I decided to start a registry of Stickney> engines and along the way was able to put together quite a bit on info on Stickney engines:> http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/000index.html > > If someone here has anything "Stickney" to add I will gladly like to here from you. Thanks!> Denis Rouleau> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.? Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Nov 24 08:36:32 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:36:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines References: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <001901c82eb8$2c260b10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Hi Steve, I was not able to find out the reason why about 10% of Stickney engines were sold in another color than the usual dark blue. Seems that some of the red Stickneys have the "OWE&PCo." name plate but not all. I've also seen a few Stickneys with original grey paint and even a couple of them with original green paint. What is the serial number on your engine and is it gravity or fuel pump feed? Denis Rouleau HI Dennis, Thanks for all the Stickney info. I had gone to the computer just now to ask for help on mine. I started stripping the bad paint job off my 3 hp and underneath I found what I thought might be the original paint but it was red and I'd only seen blue Stickneys. Now looking at your pictures there are several red ones there. What is the story on red vs blue stickneys? I'm going to leave mine original red if that is really a stickney color. Thanks Steve> From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca> From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 24 10:22:11 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:22:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines In-Reply-To: <001901c82eb8$2c260b10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <001901c82eb8$2c260b10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <47486BD3.6000800@scrtc.com> Denis, My 1 1/2 HP Stickney is gray, with some original paint still showing. The Stickney Jr.I've got was red and it still has some original paint on it as well. I had a 3 HP here that was grey and a 7 that was blue. I had an Ont. Wind Engine and Pump Co. Stickney that I got in Canada that was red. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Denis Rouleau wrote: >Hi Steve, I was not able to find out the reason why about 10% of Stickney engines >were sold in another color than the usual dark blue. Seems that some of the red >Stickneys have the "OWE&PCo." name plate but not all. I've also seen a few >Stickneys with original grey paint and even a couple of them with original green >paint. What is the serial number on your engine and is it gravity or fuel pump feed? >Denis Rouleau > >HI Dennis, Thanks for all the Stickney info. I had gone to the computer just now to ask for help on mine. I started stripping the bad paint job off my 3 hp and underneath I found what I thought might be the original paint but it was red and I'd only seen blue Stickneys. Now looking at your pictures there are several red ones there. What is the story on red vs blue stickneys? I'm going to leave mine original red if that is really a stickney color. Thanks Steve> From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Nov 24 13:31:52 2007 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:31:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines In-Reply-To: <001901c82eb8$2c260b10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <001901c82eb8$2c260b10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: HI Dennis, it is ser#21651 and it is a fuel pump model. I'll send pics when I get it together again. Steve> From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:36:32 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Stickney Engines> > Hi Steve, I was not able to find out the reason why about 10% of Stickney engines> were sold in another color than the usual dark blue. Seems that some of the red> Stickneys have the "OWE&PCo." name plate but not all. I've also seen a few> Stickneys with original grey paint and even a couple of them with original green> paint. What is the serial number on your engine and is it gravity or fuel pump feed?> Denis Rouleau> > HI Dennis, Thanks for all the Stickney info. I had gone to the computer just now to ask for help on mine. I started stripping the bad paint job off my 3 hp and underneath I found what I thought might be the original paint but it was red and I'd only seen blue Stickneys. Now looking at your pictures there are several red ones there. What is the story on red vs blue stickneys? I'm going to leave mine original red if that is really a stickney color. Thanks Steve> From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca>> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 24 15:03:12 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:03:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Winter Project (cheap) Message-ID: <1195945392.4748adb0b5fd9@webmail.city-net.com> 1920's one lunger motor http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=110198029391 From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Nov 24 15:06:03 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:06:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Engines References: <001001c82e14$124c8f10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <001901c82eb8$2c260b10$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <000901c82eee$960d5750$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Thanks Steve, your Stickney has made it to the registry! You might already know that it was built in 1913. Denis Rouleau From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sat Nov 24 15:13:12 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:13:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Winter Project (cheap) References: <1195945392.4748adb0b5fd9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001101c82eef$95dbca90$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> What is it? I can't tell from the pictures. Denis <1920's one lunger motor> From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Nov 24 15:19:21 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:19:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Winter Project (cheap) Message-ID: <20071124.151921.2188.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Denis. It looks like a Novo to me. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:13:12 -0500 Denis Rouleau writes: > What is it? I can't tell from the pictures. Denis > <1920's one lunger motor> From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 24 15:20:42 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:20:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? Message-ID: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is very small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 minutes work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually is in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998095 It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998097 As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998096 It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998092 The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998098 These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a 1 gallon Mineral Spirits can: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998103 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998104 To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 24 15:25:21 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:25:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Winter Project (cheap) In-Reply-To: <001101c82eef$95dbca90$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <1195945392.4748adb0b5fd9@webmail.city-net.com> <001101c82eef$95dbca90$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <4748B2E1.309@scrtc.com> Looks like a Novo Jr. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Denis Rouleau wrote: >What is it? I can't tell from the pictures. Denis > <1920's one lunger motor> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Nov 24 15:54:18 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:54:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Winter Project (cheap) References: <1195945392.4748adb0b5fd9@webmail.city-net.com> <001101c82eef$95dbca90$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <012801c82ef5$55236f70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Novo, I think Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Rouleau" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting Winter Project (cheap) > What is it? I can't tell from the pictures. Denis > <1920's one lunger motor> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Nov 24 15:59:18 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:59:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> References: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <087F3E69-6901-4892-9366-3483B12F5809@rustyiron.com> Good golly that's a cute engine! Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Nov 24, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. > Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to > one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is > very > small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this > might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to > demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 > minutes > work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think > its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sat Nov 24 16:09:52 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:09:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? References: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002401c82ef7$87715350$97b5ecdc@Edd> That's magnificent Tommy. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. > Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to > one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is very > small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this > might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to > demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 minutes > work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think > its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: > > In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually is > in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998095 > > It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998097 > > As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998096 > > It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998092 > > The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998098 > > These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a 1 > gallon Mineral Spirits can: > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998103 > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998104 > > To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= > > Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 24 16:31:41 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:31:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <002401c82ef7$87715350$97b5ecdc@Edd> References: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> <002401c82ef7$87715350$97b5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <4748C26D.5020206@scrtc.com> Thanks Edd. Yes, it sure is cute. Tommy Edd Payne wrote: >That's magnificent Tommy. >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia >2852 >Phone:0263742387 >edsengns at optusnet.com.au >edsengns >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:20 AM >Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > > > > >>OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. >>Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to >>one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is very >>small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this >>might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to >>demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 minutes >>work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think >>its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: >> >>In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually is >>in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998095 >> >>It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998097 >> >>As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998096 >> >>It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998092 >> >>The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998098 >> >>These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a 1 >>gallon Mineral Spirits can: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998103 >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998104 >> >>To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= >> >>Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sat Nov 24 17:15:26 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:15:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4748C26D.5020206@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003d01c82f00$ab3b39f0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Tommy, it sure looks small compared to what I saw on your trailer; if you decide it's too small you can throw it my way!!!! Really a neat engine! Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? Thanks Edd. Yes, it sure is cute. Tommy Edd Payne wrote: >That's magnificent Tommy. >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia >2852 >Phone:0263742387 >edsengns at optusnet.com.au >edsengns >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:20 AM >Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > > > > >>OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. >>Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to >>one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is very >>small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this >>might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to >>demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 minutes >>work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think >>its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: >> >>In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually is >>in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 095 >> >>It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 097 >> >>As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 096 >> >>It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 092 >> >>The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 098 >> >>These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a 1 >>gallon Mineral Spirits can: >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 103 >> >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 104 >> >>To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= >> >>Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 10:06 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 10:06 AM From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 24 17:49:55 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:49:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <003d01c82f00$ab3b39f0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> References: <003d01c82f00$ab3b39f0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <4748D4C3.9060809@scrtc.com> Hey Lew, I can set this one in the seat beside me! Tommy Lew Best wrote: >Tommy, it sure looks small compared to what I saw on your trailer; if >you decide it's too small you can throw it my way!!!! > >Really a neat engine! > >Lew near Waco, TX > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge >Tommy Turner >Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:32 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > >Thanks Edd. Yes, it sure is cute. > >Tommy > > > >Edd Payne wrote: > > > >>That's magnificent Tommy. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; >> >>Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:20 AM >>Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. >>>Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to >>>one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is >>> >>> >very > > >>>small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this >>>might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to >>>demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 >>> >>> >minutes > > >>>work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think >>>its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: >>> >>>In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually >>> >>> >is > > >>>in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: >>> >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >095 > > >>>It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: >>> >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >097 > > >>>As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: >>> >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >096 > > >>>It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: >>> >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >092 > > >>>The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: >>> >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >098 > > >>>These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a >>> >>> >1 > > >>>gallon Mineral Spirits can: >>> >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >103 > > >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>> >>> >104 > > >>>To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: >>> >>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= >>> >>>Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: >11/24/2007 10:06 AM > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: >11/24/2007 10:06 AM > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sat Nov 24 18:04:33 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:04:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4748D4C3.9060809@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <004401c82f07$882dab30$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Wellllllllllllllll, bring it on down! :) :) :) Lew -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? Hey Lew, I can set this one in the seat beside me! Tommy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 10:06 AM From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Nov 24 18:28:21 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:28:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? References: <003d01c82f00$ab3b39f0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> <4748D4C3.9060809@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <015201c82f0b$3d0ce4a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Now you see where I am at! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > Hey Lew, I can set this one in the seat beside me! > > Tommy > > > > Lew Best wrote: > >>Tommy, it sure looks small compared to what I saw on your trailer; if >>you decide it's too small you can throw it my way!!!! >> >>Really a neat engine! >> >>Lew near Waco, TX >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge >>Tommy Turner >>Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:32 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? >> >>Thanks Edd. Yes, it sure is cute. >> >>Tommy >> >> >> >>Edd Payne wrote: >> >> >> >>>That's magnificent Tommy. >>>EDD PAYNE >>>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>>Australia >>>2852 >>>Phone:0263742387 >>>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>>edsengns >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; >>> >>>Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:20 AM >>>Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. >>>>Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to >>>>one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is >>>> >>>> >>very >> >> >>>>small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this >>>>might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to >>>>demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 >>>> >>>> >>minutes >> >> >>>>work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think >>>>its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: >>>> >>>>In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually >>>> >>>> >>is >> >> >>>>in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>095 >> >> >>>>It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>097 >> >> >>>>As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>096 >> >> >>>>It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>092 >> >> >>>>The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>098 >> >> >>>>These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a >>>> >>>> >>1 >> >> >>>>gallon Mineral Spirits can: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>103 >> >> >>>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998 >>>> >>>> >>104 >> >> >>>>To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: >>>> >>>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= >>>> >>>>Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? >>>> >>>>Tommy Turner >>>>Magnolia, KY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: >>11/24/2007 10:06 AM >> >> >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: >>11/24/2007 10:06 AM >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From antiquejd at fwi.com Sat Nov 24 18:37:39 2007 From: antiquejd at fwi.com (Michael Ostrander) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:37:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Tommy- I know very little about engines as I have collected primarily tractors. I am learning rapidly though as it seems my 11 year old son has become enamored with gas engines. He has an unrestored Intl 1-1/2, a maytag, and is currently restoring a 1-1/2 hp John Deere. He decided a couple of years ago that he loves the oil field engines down at Portland. He must have just stood still for 45 minutes watching those engines at night with all the pots burning and the engines firing. Its not easy to make an 11 y.o. stand still for 5 minutes so 45 was forever. He was standing beside me tonight looking at the engine and loved it. The mineral spirit can really sized it for him as we used a can just like it yesterday to clean his paint brush after putting the green coat on the flywheels of his E. He has already figured out that Christmas is just around the corner and he thinks an engine like this little Olds is really cool and should be under the tree with his name on it....thanks a lot ;-) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; artbiagi at msn.com Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is very small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 minutes work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually is in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998095 It has a nice little pulley on it, for demo purposes I'm sure: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998097 As mentioned, the flywheels measure about 10 inches: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998096 It has a cast iron splash shield like the larger Type A's: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998092 The carb and ignition are just like the larger Type A's also: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998098 These photos give you an idea about the size of the engine. This is a 1 gallon Mineral Spirits can: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998103 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=32613125&p=75998104 To view all the photos and some description on each, go to this link: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32613125&f= Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1148 - Release Date: 11/23/2007 7:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1148 - Release Date: 11/23/2007 7:39 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 24 22:18:41 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:18:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4748D4C3.9060809@scrtc.com> References: <003d01c82f00$ab3b39f0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> <4748D4C3.9060809@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1195971521.474913c1ee318@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, That leads to the question I was gonna ask. About how much does that little cutie weigh? See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Hey Lew, I can set this one in the seat beside me! From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Nov 25 01:33:03 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:33:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200711251138328.SM01884@Laptop.databak.co.za> >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:40:05 -0800 (PST) >From: Alan Bowen >Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity Auction >Hi Jerry, >You must have missed Spencer's post yesterday. >Here is a copy of it. Thanks Alan, Yes, for some reason I did miss it. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 25 02:33:30 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:33:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Video of 1hp R&V Message-ID: <20071125103317.DTUD14529.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> After a little fiddling my newest 1hp R&V is running like a clock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isObdhNljWo Still a little more work to do on the 2hp but it does go :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 25 02:38:15 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:38:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4748B1CA.4020006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20071125103802.EIEM16971.oaamta06sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Tommy, That is an interesting little engine. It looks to be in great condition. I have not seen an Olds that small so perhaps it is a salesmans sample or a factory/showroom display piece. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. Its in outstanding original condition. I can't find any reference to one this small. It looks exactly like the larger Type A's, but is very small. The flywheels measure around 10 inches. I am curious if this might be a Salesman Sample but by Olds for their traveling salesman to demonstrate. I think the little engine would run with about 30 minutes work. It's very dirty and needs a good cleaning. Otherwise, I think its a little jewel. Here are a few photos: In this one, you see the side view of the engine. The decal actually is in better shape and more readable than the photo shows: Tell me what you think. Is it a Salesman Sample? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 25 06:23:30 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:23:30 EST Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? Message-ID: Tommy, What a great little engine! From the photos is would be a good bet that it is a salesman sample. Would be great to have the Olds and the Callihan beside each other and a great story for GEM write-up. Wonder how many other working salesman samples were made by other companies? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Nov 25 10:48:11 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:48:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20071125204503.00b905d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > >OK folks. I'm a bit baffled by a little Olds engine that I just got. >Its in outstanding original condition. Hi Judge, Thats incredible - you are obviously thrilled! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 10:57:49 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:57:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> Tom, I don't know how many companies built salesman sample engines but would guess there were several. Here are the ones I know of as I've seen the samples in person: Olds Callahan Hagan Stickney The Olds, Callahan, and Hagan samples were all running engines. The Stickney was a bit of a cutaway to show how all the parts worked. I'm sure there were many others and I may have seen another make or two but can't think of them right now. I doubt that IHC, Otto or other major manufacturers made samples. Their name and reputation didn't require such promotions. Also, as many IH dealers as there were, I'm sure if samples had been made there would be a few surviving. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >Tommy, > >What a great little engine! From the photos is would be a good bet that it is >a salesman sample. Would be great to have the Olds and the Callihan beside >each other and a great story for GEM write-up. Wonder how many other working >salesman samples were made by other companies? > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >Germoamer at aol.com > > > >**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest >products. >(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sun Nov 25 11:23:58 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:23:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Here is an IHC 1-1/2hp I used to own: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/ihc/page104.html Denis Rouleau I doubt that IHC, Otto or other major manufacturers made samples. Their name and reputation didn't require such promotions. Also, as many IH dealers as there were, I'm sure if samples had been made there would be a few surviving. Tommy Turner From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 11:54:48 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:54:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <4749D308.20705@scrtc.com> Yeah Denis, I've seen a few of the cutaways. I saw a 1 1/2 McCormick (it might be the one you have but I don't remember the bright yellow paint), a 1 1/2 New Way, a 1 1/2 JD and maybe another. All have been regular engines that have had portions cut away to show piston, rod, cylinder, carb, etc. None have been miniature versions of the larger engines made for traveling salesman to take from town to town other than the Stickney that I saw. I wonder how they did your IH cut away? I remember the New Way looked like it had been milled away and the JD looked like it had been sawed. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Denis Rouleau wrote: >Here is an IHC 1-1/2hp I used to own: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/ihc/page104.html >Denis Rouleau > I doubt that IHC, Otto or other major manufacturers made samples. Their name and reputation didn't require > such promotions. Also, as many IH dealers as there were, I'm sure if samples had been made there would > be a few surviving. Tommy Turner > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 25 11:56:10 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:56:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Denis, Is that a factory-built cut-away engine, or one that a collector did? I've seen a number of the collector-built cutaway engines. Most were pretty heavily worn engines and the cutaway was probably the most useful end for them. See ya, Arnie Quoting Denis Rouleau : > Here is an IHC 1-1/2hp I used to own: > http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/ihc/page104.html > Denis Rouleau > > I doubt that IHC, Otto or other major manufacturers made samples. > Their name and reputation didn't require such promotions. > Also, as many IH dealers as there were, I'm sure if samples had > been made there would be a few surviving. > Tommy Turner From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 12:14:26 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:14:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> Arnie, The New Way and JD that I saw were factory I'm pretty sure. The M that I saw was several years ago I don't remember giving it a close look so I couldn't tell about it. The New Way was at Portland about 4 years ago and the JD was at a show out west maybe 8 years ago. You asked earlier how much the little Olds weighed, I would guess about 50 lbs. You can pick it up and move it around fairly easily. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hi Denis, > >Is that a factory-built cut-away engine, or one that a collector did? >I've seen a number of the collector-built cutaway engines. Most were pretty >heavily worn engines and the cutaway was probably the most useful end for >them. > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Denis Rouleau : > > > >>Here is an IHC 1-1/2hp I used to own: >>http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/ihc/page104.html >>Denis Rouleau >> >>I doubt that IHC, Otto or other major manufacturers made samples. >>Their name and reputation didn't require such promotions. >>Also, as many IH dealers as there were, I'm sure if samples had >>been made there would be a few surviving. >>Tommy Turner >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 25 12:31:23 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:31:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Looking for an FM T ignitor Message-ID: <20071125.123123.684.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Does anyone have a current E-mail address for Don Miller. He is the guy that took over for Ted Brookover. This one bounces: bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . And yes Dave, I am sure someone does. But does someone on one of these lists that is willing to respond? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 . From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 25 12:53:38 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:53:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Looking for an FM T ignitor In-Reply-To: <20071125.123123.684.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20071125.123123.684.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: On Nov 25, 2007, at 12:31 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Does anyone have a current E-mail address for Don Miller. He is the > guy > that took over for Ted Brookover. This one bounces: > bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . And yes Dave, I am sure someone does. > But > does someone on one of these lists that is willing to respond? > Thanks. Hi Ron, You might try Jennifer Brookover, who was using Ted's email address: ignitors at sbcglobal.net I'll email you directly with her home phone. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 25 13:01:32 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:01:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1196024492.4749e2ac84214@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, Given that there were fractional horsepower engines built and sold (I'm thinking of the 1/2 hp New Holland and any number of the tiny English engines), is it possible that your baby Olds was a production unit? Is there any sort of tag on the engine? Does anyone have any Olds engine literature that might mention Tommy's baby? See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > You asked > earlier how much the little Olds weighed, I would guess about 50 lbs. > You can pick it up and move it around fairly easily. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 13:23:01 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:23:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <1196024492.4749e2ac84214@webmail.city-net.com> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> <1196024492.4749e2ac84214@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4749E7B5.9030107@scrtc.com> No tag on it Arnie. I doubt this thing would produce 1/2 HP but it might. I've never seen any mention of an engine this small in the Olds literature. Everything I've seen shows the 1 1/2 HP as the smallest Type A. I had one person contact me and say it definately was a Salesman Sample. He said that about 40 years ago he talked to an elderly gent who worked for Olds. The guy told him that when Olds started building the Type A, they made several miniature Type A engines for the salesmen to take around to the dealers and jobbers to show them what the new engines would look like. It was their attempt to ease the transition from one to the other. It makes sense as the Type A's were a radical change from the gearless models that Olds had been making. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hi Tommy, > >Given that there were fractional horsepower engines built and sold (I'm thinking >of the 1/2 hp New Holland and any number of the tiny English engines), is it >possible that your baby Olds was a production unit? Is there any sort of tag >on the engine? Does anyone have any Olds engine literature that might mention >Tommy's baby? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > > > >>You asked >>earlier how much the little Olds weighed, I would guess about 50 lbs. >>You can pick it up and move it around fairly easily. >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Nov 25 13:36:39 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:36:39 EST Subject: [SEL] Looking for an FM T ignitor Message-ID: Ron, Here is Don email address - _bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net) In case you need his phone number - 816-506-7920 Francis Maciel In a message dated 11/25/2007 12:34:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: Does anyone have a current E-mail address for Don Miller. He is the guy that took over for Ted Brookover. This one bounces: bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . And yes Dave, I am sure someone does. But does someone on one of these lists that is willing to respond? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 . _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sun Nov 25 14:48:59 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:48:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <002201c82fb5$5e7bb210$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Arnie, mine was cut at the factory. It even came with a NOS Wico mag ! Denis <> From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 15:06:19 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:06:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Phoenix Trip Pictures Message-ID: <6f6025160711251506s4d1a59c2l690243b1f4b55323@mail.gmail.com> These are the start of the pictures we took on our visit to Phoenix: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nov07USA/PimaMenu1.htm The engines at the GoldField Ghost Town mught be of interest, lots of old rusty iron in that place.... Picked up a B17 piston (1945 manufacture) at Falcon Field, could have had a complete conrod/master rod set as well, but too heavy for the luggage! They have various non-usable engine parts for sale in the museum shop. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sun Nov 25 15:13:20 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:13:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <4749D308.20705@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <006301c82fb8$c54069c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Tommy here are pictures of the Stickney salesman demo kit: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/page106.html Denis ----- Original Message ----- From: Judge Tommy Turner To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? Yeah Denis, I've seen a few of the cutaways. None have been miniature versions of the larger engines made for traveling salesman to take from town to town other than the Stickney that I saw. Tommy Turner From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 25 15:25:16 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:25:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Looking for an FM T ignitor Message-ID: <20071125.152516.1944.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Francis. That is the same as the one that bounced. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:36:39 EST FRM8198 at aol.com writes: > Ron, > Here is Don email address - _bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net_ > (mailto:bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net) > In case you need his phone number - 816-506-7920 > > Francis Maciel > > > In a message dated 11/25/2007 12:34:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > rdhaskell at juno.com writes: > > Does anyone have a current E-mail address for Don Miller. He is > the guy > that took over for Ted Brookover. This one bounces: > bjdeere1935 at sbcglobal.net . From buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca Sun Nov 25 15:06:38 2007 From: buzzcoil2 at videotron.ca (Denis Rouleau) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:06:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> <1196024492.4749e2ac84214@webmail.city-net.com> <4749E7B5.9030107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <005301c82fb7$d54700a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Gilson (Port Washington) had this salesman sample in their catalogue: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/page133.html I know of only one survivor. Denis << I doubt this thing would produce 1/2 HP but it might. I've never seen any mention of an engine this small in the Olds literature.>> From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sun Nov 25 15:39:18 2007 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:39:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Phoenix Trip Pictures References: <6f6025160711251506s4d1a59c2l690243b1f4b55323@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cc01c82fbc$665baba0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Excellent pictures and getting them on the web Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: ; "Stationary-Engine" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Phoenix Trip Pictures > These are the start of the pictures we took on our visit to Phoenix: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nov07USA/PimaMenu1.htm > > The engines at the GoldField Ghost Town mught be of interest, lots of > old rusty iron in that place.... > > Picked up a B17 piston (1945 manufacture) at Falcon Field, could have > had a complete conrod/master rod set as well, but too heavy for the > luggage! They have various non-usable engine parts for sale in the > museum shop. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 25 16:32:23 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:32:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM Message-ID: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> To the Editor: I read with great interest the Letter to the Editor from Mr. Andrew Gibb (TOMM, Issue 133, Oct-Nov, 2007). The letter was entitled ?Anti Export of Machinery.? It was only by chance that I happened to read the piece as I had just finished reading the main content of that issue. One of the things about the content that really struck me was how few Australian engines and tractors were included. By my count there were 19 USA, 30 British, and 11 Australian. I?m not counting the steamers or the items For Sale. It seems to me that an issue containing ONLY those 11 Australian entries would be bloody boring; especially to the Australian readership. And this brings me to the heart of the matter and where I strongly disagree with everything that Mr. Gibb has to say. How can a so-called engine man drift so far off the track? The essence of this hobby is the enormous diversity of machinery that is around and the equal diversity in the folks who make the hobby so much fun. If poor old Mr. Gibb had his way, we?d all become hermits squatting alone in dark caves on the few machines we happened to own. What a horrible prospect. I feel so incredibly sorry for the man. He needs to get out more. He NEEDS to get a life! The USA and British engines were included in the TOMM issue for the same reason that different engines appear in Stationary Engine Magazine and Gas Engine Magazine. Diversity is what makes the hobby interesting. Who wants to go to a rally and see the same old local stuff year after year? Why does an American engine on an Australian rally field attract so much attention? And why does a British engine attract so much attention on a rally field in the USA? It?s something different and there?s usually an interesting story that goes along with the engine. As an example, a good friend in England decided to get her husband an American oilfield engine for his 40th birthday. She contacted friends in the USA who quickly located a very rare 20 hp Tillinghast half-breed. The deal was done and the friends began to restore the engine. The finished engine on massive polished white oak timbers was presented to him and then rallied at the Portland engine show (the largest in the world). The engine was then crated by the same group of friends and shipped over to England. The engine is obviously one-of-a-kind in England and is even pretty rare in the USA. It commands a lot of attention and is highly sought after by rally organizers. The story, the oak, and the engine itself generate equal interest. The full story may be found in articles in both GEM and in SEM. Another friend has acquired a gorgeous 11 hp Austral. It?s complete, on an original transport, and in lovely original running condition. Now this engine has excited engine folks from one side of the USA to the other. In addition to displaying the normal adverts and engine literature, he also has history on the engine and what it did for a living (pumping water and powering a sheep-shearing operation) on the sheep station it came from. Also displayed are kero tins and boxes along with a description of how those were used in the outback for everything from furniture to roofing and siding. As a result of this engine being on exhibit, Americans are learning that there?s far more to Oz than Crocodile Dundee, kangaroos, and shrimp on the barbie. The 11 hp Austral is featured in a 5-page spread in the Dec-Jan 2007-2008 issue of GEM. Mr. Gibb would be strongly opposed to the fact that the Austral was being enjoyed in the USA. I can only assume that he would be equally distressed that an item of American ?cultural heritage? ended up in England. In fact, I imagine that he is even more distressed that so many British and American engines are in Australia at present. He?s probably apoplectic at the current rate at which old American iron is flooding into Oz by the container load thereby diluting the native stock. Damn the favorable exchange rate anyway. Although, interestingly enough, he doesn?t say a word about rare foreign iron showing up on Aussie rally fields. A bit inconsistent wouldn?t you say Mr. Gibb? Maybe now is the time to begin an old iron repatriation movement. Let?s start, shall we, with the ultra-rare 7 hp Frisco Standard Engine on page 34 of that issue of TOMM. That engine should be back in San Francisco where it could contribute to the local cultural heritage. The final aspect of his screed that I would like to address is his ranting about ?dealers? and someone making a ?profit? on what they sell. Clearly, Mr. Gibb is a Communist and as such will have difficulty grasping what I have to say next. The presence of dealers in the old iron hobby is a good thing. They will buy whole barn loads of ?stuff? from a farmer who wants to sell even though only one or two pieces are desirable. He then has his money tied up until he can finally turn over the last knackered old Lister D. Dealers also make the investment so that collectors who might never encounter that particular farmer are able to buy an engine that they?re interested in. Similarly, by having an inventory, dealers make it easier for newcomers to the hobby to acquire an engine or two to start their collections. I bought my first engine from a dealer. I loved this line in Mr. Gibb?s letter: ?How can genuine enthusiasts buy an engine if they have to compete against the dealers who have too much money to spend and no interest in our nation?s heritage?? There is so much wrong with that single statement that I hardly know where to begin. Dealers, because of the need to make a profit, can never pay more for an engine than a collector would. That?s just simple economics. The market price for old engines is pretty well normalized these days by the want ads in the various magazines (TOMM, SEM, GEM), by eBay, and other Internet sales outlets like Harry?s Engineads. http://www.enginads.com/ As to ?profit? Mr. Gibb says ? it is a disgrace that some people are willing to sacrifice our history, in order to line their own pockets.? Well, excuse me Mr. Gibb, but I guess you were absent at school when they discussed the concept of personal property and the owner?s right to dispose of it how he sees fit. Engines change hands for a great many reasons. It may be a change in personal circumstances, it may be health related, perhaps a child is going to college or getting married. Or it might be as simple as getting bored with the old one and wanting something different. In any case, if the seller makes some money on the deal, that allows him to buy something better or, as is often the case, just keep up with the ever changing market price of old engines. Making a profit is not a bad thing. I think you should wake up and smell the eucalyptus Mr. Gibb. Instead of ranting about old iron leaving Oz to go to collectors in other countries, perhaps you would do better to encourage young folks by embracing the joy that this hobby actually provides and a real part of that joy involves engines moving from one collector to another and from one country to another. Engines and engine friends are not limited to one?s country of origin. Best regards, Arnie Arnie Fero 7050 Leechburg Road New Kensington, PA 15068 USA Phone: 724-722-6004 Email: fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 25 16:34:27 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:34:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <005301c82fb7$d54700a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> <1196024492.4749e2ac84214@webmail.city-net.com> <4749E7B5.9030107@scrtc.com> <005301c82fb7$d54700a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <1196037267.474a1493d9326@webmail.city-net.com> Denis, Thanks for posting this and the Stickney example. Pretty neat!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Denis Rouleau : > Gilson (Port Washington) had this salesman sample in their catalogue: > http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/page133.html I know of only one survivor. From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Nov 25 16:58:51 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:58:51 EST Subject: [SEL] Looking for an FM T ignitor Message-ID: Ron, Here is Jennifer Brookover's email - _ignitors at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:ignitors at sbcglobal.net) In a message dated 11/25/2007 3:34:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: Thanks Francis. That is the same as the one that bounced **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 25 17:32:48 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:32:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Good Show Mate! Makes me proud to be able to say "I know that guy!" Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 25, 2007, at 7:32 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > To the Editor: > > I read with great interest the Letter to the Editor from Mr. Andrew > Gibb (TOMM, > Issue 133, Oct-Nov, 2007). The letter was entitled ?Anti Export of > Machinery.? > It was only by chance that I happened to read the piece as I had > just finished > reading the main content of that issue. One of the things about > the content > that really struck me was how few Australian engines and tractors were > included. By my count there were 19 USA, 30 British, and 11 > Australian. I?m > not counting the steamers or the items For Sale. It seems to me > that an issue > containing ONLY those 11 Australian entries would be bloody boring; > especially > to the Australian readership. > Best regards, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > 7050 Leechburg Road > New Kensington, PA 15068 USA > Phone: 724-722-6004 > Email: fero_ah at city-net.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 17:40:45 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:40:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <005301c82fb7$d54700a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <1196020570.4749d35a8d34e@webmail.city-net.com> <4749D7A2.8010807@scrtc.com> <1196024492.4749e2ac84214@webmail.city-net.com> <4749E7B5.9030107@scrtc.com> <005301c82fb7$d54700a0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <474A241D.3060906@scrtc.com> Denis, Would that be a sample or as Arnie asked, an actual small HP engine? It sounds like from the description, its both possibly. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Denis Rouleau wrote: >Gilson (Port Washington) had this salesman sample in their catalogue: >http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/page133.html I know of only one survivor. >Denis > << I doubt this thing would produce 1/2 HP but it might. I've never seen any mention > of an engine this small in the Olds literature.>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 17:42:28 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:42:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? In-Reply-To: <006301c82fb8$c54069c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> References: <4749C5AD.3090600@scrtc.com> <006901c82f98$ba43a930$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> <4749D308.20705@scrtc.com> <006301c82fb8$c54069c0$7c6fca18@YOUR6ACD238E8D> Message-ID: <474A2484.6000308@scrtc.com> Yup Denis, thats the one I looked at! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Denis Rouleau wrote: >http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/stickney/page106.html >Denis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Judge Tommy Turner > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Salesman Sample Olds? > > > Yeah Denis, I've seen a few of the cutaways. None have been miniature versions of the larger > engines made for traveling salesman to take from town to town other than > the Stickney that I saw. Tommy Turner > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 25 17:46:57 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:46:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> Hi Arnie.The letter is fantastic and says what most of us here think and feel.As you know I have several American engines that I have imported and have 5 more on the way.To get these I have had to sell some of my English oil engines so as to afford them.Some of my American engines are one offs in Australia and show people here a wider range of iron than otherwise available at shows.I personally have only exported one engine to the US and this was more of a swap deal .It got me a Mogul Jr and this little engine draws a lot of attention here as they were not sent here during there working life time. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM > To the Editor: > > I read with great interest the Letter to the Editor from Mr. Andrew Gibb > (TOMM, > Issue 133, Oct-Nov, 2007). The letter was entitled "Anti Export of > Machinery." From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 25 17:51:30 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:51:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <474A26A2.5090209@scrtc.com> Great letter Arnie. The only good point about Mr. Gibb's letter is that its comforting to know that the US isn't the only place with folks who have off the wall ideas. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >To the Editor: > >I read with great interest the Letter to the Editor from Mr. Andrew Gibb (TOMM, >Issue 133, Oct-Nov, 2007). The letter was entitled ?Anti Export of Machinery.? >It was only by chance that I happened to read the piece as I had just finished >reading the main content of that issue. One of the things about the content >that really struck me was how few Australian engines and tractors were >included. By my count there were 19 USA, 30 British, and 11 Australian. I?m >not counting the steamers or the items For Sale. It seems to me that an issue >containing ONLY those 11 Australian entries would be bloody boring; especially >to the Australian readership. > >And this brings me to the heart of the matter and where I strongly disagree with >everything that Mr. Gibb has to say. How can a so-called engine man drift so >far off the track? The essence of this hobby is the enormous diversity of >machinery that is around and the equal diversity in the folks who make the >hobby so much fun. If poor old Mr. Gibb had his way, we?d all become hermits >squatting alone in dark caves on the few machines we happened to own. What a >horrible prospect. I feel so incredibly sorry for the man. He needs to get >out more. He NEEDS to get a life! > >The USA and British engines were included in the TOMM issue for the same reason >that different engines appear in Stationary Engine Magazine and Gas Engine >Magazine. Diversity is what makes the hobby interesting. Who wants to go to a >rally and see the same old local stuff year after year? Why does an American >engine on an Australian rally field attract so much attention? And why does a >British engine attract so much attention on a rally field in the USA? It?s >something different and there?s usually an interesting story that goes along >with the engine. > >As an example, a good friend in England decided to get her husband an American >oilfield engine for his 40th birthday. She contacted friends in the USA who >quickly located a very rare 20 hp Tillinghast half-breed. The deal was done >and the friends began to restore the engine. The finished engine on massive >polished white oak timbers was presented to him and then rallied at the >Portland engine show (the largest in the world). The engine was then crated by >the same group of friends and shipped over to England. The engine is obviously >one-of-a-kind in England and is even pretty rare in the USA. It commands a lot >of attention and is highly sought after by rally organizers. The story, the >oak, and the engine itself generate equal interest. The full story may be >found in articles in both GEM and in SEM. > >Another friend has acquired a gorgeous 11 hp Austral. It?s complete, on an >original transport, and in lovely original running condition. Now this engine >has excited engine folks from one side of the USA to the other. In addition to >displaying the normal adverts and engine literature, he also has history on the >engine and what it did for a living (pumping water and powering a >sheep-shearing operation) on the sheep station it came from. Also displayed >are kero tins and boxes along with a description of how those were used in the >outback for everything from furniture to roofing and siding. As a result of >this engine being on exhibit, Americans are learning that there?s far more to >Oz than Crocodile Dundee, kangaroos, and shrimp on the barbie. The 11 hp >Austral is featured in a 5-page spread in the Dec-Jan 2007-2008 issue of GEM. > >Mr. Gibb would be strongly opposed to the fact that the Austral was being >enjoyed in the USA. I can only assume that he would be equally distressed that >an item of American ?cultural heritage? ended up in England. In fact, I >imagine that he is even more distressed that so many British and American >engines are in Australia at present. He?s probably apoplectic at the current >rate at which old American iron is flooding into Oz by the container load >thereby diluting the native stock. Damn the favorable exchange rate anyway. >Although, interestingly enough, he doesn?t say a word about rare foreign iron >showing up on Aussie rally fields. A bit inconsistent wouldn?t you say Mr. >Gibb? Maybe now is the time to begin an old iron repatriation movement. Let?s >start, shall we, with the ultra-rare 7 hp Frisco Standard Engine on page 34 of >that issue of TOMM. That engine should be back in San Francisco where it could >contribute to the local cultural heritage. > >The final aspect of his screed that I would like to address is his ranting about >?dealers? and someone making a ?profit? on what they sell. Clearly, Mr. Gibb >is a Communist and as such will have difficulty grasping what I have to say >next. The presence of dealers in the old iron hobby is a good thing. They >will buy whole barn loads of ?stuff? from a farmer who wants to sell even >though only one or two pieces are desirable. He then has his money tied up >until he can finally turn over the last knackered old Lister D. Dealers also >make the investment so that collectors who might never encounter that >particular farmer are able to buy an engine that they?re interested in. >Similarly, by having an inventory, dealers make it easier for newcomers to the >hobby to acquire an engine or two to start their collections. I bought my >first engine from a dealer. > >I loved this line in Mr. Gibb?s letter: ?How can genuine enthusiasts buy an >engine if they have to compete against the dealers who have too much money to >spend and no interest in our nation?s heritage?? There is so much wrong with >that single statement that I hardly know where to begin. Dealers, because of >the need to make a profit, can never pay more for an engine than a collector >would. That?s just simple economics. The market price for old engines is >pretty well normalized these days by the want ads in the various magazines >(TOMM, SEM, GEM), by eBay, and other Internet sales outlets like Harry?s >Engineads. http://www.enginads.com/ > >As to ?profit? Mr. Gibb says ??it is a disgrace that some people are willing to >sacrifice our history, in order to line their own pockets.? Well, excuse me >Mr. Gibb, but I guess you were absent at school when they discussed the concept >of personal property and the owner?s right to dispose of it how he sees fit. >Engines change hands for a great many reasons. It may be a change in personal >circumstances, it may be health related, perhaps a child is going to college or >getting married. Or it might be as simple as getting bored with the old one >and wanting something different. In any case, if the seller makes some money >on the deal, that allows him to buy something better or, as is often the case, >just keep up with the ever changing market price of old engines. Making a >profit is not a bad thing. > >I think you should wake up and smell the eucalyptus Mr. Gibb. Instead of >ranting about old iron leaving Oz to go to collectors in other countries, >perhaps you would do better to encourage young folks by embracing the joy that >this hobby actually provides and a real part of that joy involves engines >moving from one collector to another and from one country to another. Engines >and engine friends are not limited to one?s country of origin. > >Best regards, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >7050 Leechburg Road >New Kensington, PA 15068 USA >Phone: 724-722-6004 >Email: fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 25 19:33:59 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:33:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: Congratulations, Edd. Be sure to send pictures when you get 'em. I'm a little curious about what kind of Yank engines would be better than some nice English engines. You're right about the attention that foreign engines can get. I especially get a kick out of reading TOMM or SEM, and seeing the same enthusiasm given toward nice local engines and common American engines. The same is true here. Rob On Nov 25, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > Hi Arnie.The letter is fantastic and says what most of us here think > and > feel.As you know I have several American engines that I have > imported and > have 5 more on the way.To get these I have had to sell some of my > English > oil engines so as to afford them.Some of my American engines are one > offs in > Australia and show people here a wider range of iron than otherwise > available at shows.I personally have only exported one engine to the > US and > this was more of a swap deal .It got me a Mogul Jr and this little > engine > draws a lot of attention here as they were not sent here during there > working life time. From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Nov 25 19:44:58 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:44:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <004301c82fde$b7d5b3a0$266d4b47@mikecomp> Dear Arnie: As you know I have written a letter or two and a rebuttal here and there, yet I pale in comparison to that well thought and powerfully printed testament to capitalism, friendship, old iron, and the hobbies that bind us all in a common interest. BRAVO, well said! I am amazed an nu-clear engineer is so well versed without the benefit of an equation or two! Proud of you as a true engine man!!!!! Mike (the good brother) Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM To the Editor: I read with great interest the Letter to the Editor from Mr. Andrew Gibb (TOMM, Issue 133, Oct-Nov, 2007). The letter was entitled "Anti Export of Machinery." It was only by chance that I happened to read the piece as I had just finished reading the main content of that issue. One of the things about the content that really struck me was how few Australian engines and tractors were included. By my count there were 19 USA, 30 British, and 11 Australian. I'm not counting the steamers or the items For Sale. It seems to me that an issue containing ONLY those 11 Australian entries would be bloody boring; especially to the Australian readership. And this brings me to the heart of the matter and where I strongly disagree with everything that Mr. Gibb has to say. How can a so-called engine man drift so far off the track? The essence of this hobby is the enormous diversity of machinery that is around and the equal diversity in the folks who make the hobby so much fun. If poor old Mr. Gibb had his way, we'd all become hermits squatting alone in dark caves on the few machines we happened to own. What a horrible prospect. I feel so incredibly sorry for the man. He needs to get out more. He NEEDS to get a life! The USA and British engines were included in the TOMM issue for the same reason that different engines appear in Stationary Engine Magazine and Gas Engine Magazine. Diversity is what makes the hobby interesting. Who wants to go to a rally and see the same old local stuff year after year? Why does an American engine on an Australian rally field attract so much attention? And why does a British engine attract so much attention on a rally field in the USA? It's something different and there's usually an interesting story that goes along with the engine. As an example, a good friend in England decided to get her husband an American oilfield engine for his 40th birthday. She contacted friends in the USA who quickly located a very rare 20 hp Tillinghast half-breed. The deal was done and the friends began to restore the engine. The finished engine on massive polished white oak timbers was presented to him and then rallied at the Portland engine show (the largest in the world). The engine was then crated by the same group of friends and shipped over to England. The engine is obviously one-of-a-kind in England and is even pretty rare in the USA. It commands a lot of attention and is highly sought after by rally organizers. The story, the oak, and the engine itself generate equal interest. The full story may be found in articles in both GEM and in SEM. Another friend has acquired a gorgeous 11 hp Austral. It's complete, on an original transport, and in lovely original running condition. Now this engine has excited engine folks from one side of the USA to the other. In addition to displaying the normal adverts and engine literature, he also has history on the engine and what it did for a living (pumping water and powering a sheep-shearing operation) on the sheep station it came from. Also displayed are kero tins and boxes along with a description of how those were used in the outback for everything from furniture to roofing and siding. As a result of this engine being on exhibit, Americans are learning that there's far more to Oz than Crocodile Dundee, kangaroos, and shrimp on the barbie. The 11 hp Austral is featured in a 5-page spread in the Dec-Jan 2007-2008 issue of GEM. Mr. Gibb would be strongly opposed to the fact that the Austral was being enjoyed in the USA. I can only assume that he would be equally distressed that an item of American "cultural heritage" ended up in England. In fact, I imagine that he is even more distressed that so many British and American engines are in Australia at present. He's probably apoplectic at the current rate at which old American iron is flooding into Oz by the container load thereby diluting the native stock. Damn the favorable exchange rate anyway. Although, interestingly enough, he doesn't say a word about rare foreign iron showing up on Aussie rally fields. A bit inconsistent wouldn't you say Mr. Gibb? Maybe now is the time to begin an old iron repatriation movement. Let's start, shall we, with the ultra-rare 7 hp Frisco Standard Engine on page 34 of that issue of TOMM. That engine should be back in San Francisco where it could contribute to the local cultural heritage. The final aspect of his screed that I would like to address is his ranting about "dealers" and someone making a "profit" on what they sell. Clearly, Mr. Gibb is a Communist and as such will have difficulty grasping what I have to say next. The presence of dealers in the old iron hobby is a good thing. They will buy whole barn loads of "stuff" from a farmer who wants to sell even though only one or two pieces are desirable. He then has his money tied up until he can finally turn over the last knackered old Lister D. Dealers also make the investment so that collectors who might never encounter that particular farmer are able to buy an engine that they're interested in. Similarly, by having an inventory, dealers make it easier for newcomers to the hobby to acquire an engine or two to start their collections. I bought my first engine from a dealer. I loved this line in Mr. Gibb's letter: "How can genuine enthusiasts buy an engine if they have to compete against the dealers who have too much money to spend and no interest in our nation's heritage?" There is so much wrong with that single statement that I hardly know where to begin. Dealers, because of the need to make a profit, can never pay more for an engine than a collector would. That's just simple economics. The market price for old engines is pretty well normalized these days by the want ads in the various magazines (TOMM, SEM, GEM), by eBay, and other Internet sales outlets like Harry's Engineads. http://www.enginads.com/ As to "profit" Mr. Gibb says ".it is a disgrace that some people are willing to sacrifice our history, in order to line their own pockets." Well, excuse me Mr. Gibb, but I guess you were absent at school when they discussed the concept of personal property and the owner's right to dispose of it how he sees fit. Engines change hands for a great many reasons. It may be a change in personal circumstances, it may be health related, perhaps a child is going to college or getting married. Or it might be as simple as getting bored with the old one and wanting something different. In any case, if the seller makes some money on the deal, that allows him to buy something better or, as is often the case, just keep up with the ever changing market price of old engines. Making a profit is not a bad thing. I think you should wake up and smell the eucalyptus Mr. Gibb. Instead of ranting about old iron leaving Oz to go to collectors in other countries, perhaps you would do better to encourage young folks by embracing the joy that this hobby actually provides and a real part of that joy involves engines moving from one collector to another and from one country to another. Engines and engine friends are not limited to one's country of origin. Best regards, Arnie Arnie Fero 7050 Leechburg Road New Kensington, PA 15068 USA Phone: 724-722-6004 Email: fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 25 21:16:08 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:16:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <1196054168.474a56980071e@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rob, You reminded me of an experience at the 1000 Engine Rally a few years ago. A mate had a "competition model" Fairbanks Morse engine that was in incredible original condition. I had never seen one that nice or complete before. As we talked, he lamented the fact that while the engine was OK, he couldn't wait to get a decent brass oiler for it. I told him he was nuts, and explained the significance of the cheap steel oiler and how relatively rare they were in that condition, etc. Man he was chuffed. I happened to be nearby and overheard him explaining the "competition" features and going out of his way to point out the steel oiler. I think it had become his favorite engine. See ya, Arnie Quoting Rob Skinner : > You're right about the attention that foreign engines can get. I > especially get a kick out of reading TOMM or SEM, and seeing the same > enthusiasm given toward nice local engines and common American > engines. The same is true here. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Nov 26 02:51:23 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:51:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <000c01c8300c$5c490810$0401a8c0@matthews> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <000c01c8300c$5c490810$0401a8c0@matthews> Message-ID: <7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> G'Day Ian I find it hard to understand or agree with much you say but I will make my way down your post. I have seen auctions where Australians don't care what they pay for an engine, they want it and they buy it, that is the way auctions work. you and I may not be able to match the power of the US dollar but quite a few Aussies can and do. You talk about the new Government changing laws, well I can tell you I am sick of Governments telling me what I can or cannot do, we live in a police state/country now and we can do without more bloody left wing laws. Stature of Liberty not worth talking about in this discussion but I have an Australian bridge for sale if you want it You have a Mietz & Weiss, great, even fantastic you are indeed fortunate and if you believe it should stay in Australia don't sell it, the other two owners used their right to sell and if Australians didn't want to buy it then sell to the highest bidder. I agree we should keep a sample here, better still we should keep the lot here but we need to pay the dollar and buy them not some pencil pusher in Canberra telling us what we can and cannot do. You talk about SC turning up in the UK, never heard anyone with the same beliefs as you and Mr Gibb's try to stop the destruction of iron to the scrappies, I would have thought that would be far more inportant than export as with the scrappies they are lost forever. In every issue there are two side and I respect yours and Mr Gibbs and I would say your side out number my beliefs, but I think people with your thoughts are just jealous they cannot afford it. Put simply the owner, minder should have the right to sell as they think fit not some Government deciding all the best Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz > Hi All > > I agree with Mr Gibbs as an Australian far to much machinery is > being exported Now for some info to you Americans you might not know but > should, Australia has only a population of 20million, what does America > have something like 220million and if you go back to the early 1900s the > population was very small, now you might say what does this mean, well it > means the was not much machinery was imported or made here as there was > not industry base that required it, result being what we have here is in > low numbers and the idea of going bush (as we call it ) to find an old > engine is now a rare thing but I see you Yanks (no insult intended) are > still finding machinery laying around > > I have been to auctions where there have been Yanks there and they don't > care what they pay for an engine, we can't match the power of your dollar > and as Mr Gibb say we are losing our heritage to the all mighty dollar > > As Gibb's has said also the New Zealand government has recognised the > heritage value of old machinery as the machinery numbers in NZ are even > smaller than what's in Australia and now with a new Government in > Australia we might stand a chance to have some laws changed > > I find it disappointing to see machinery that built Australia I have to > travel overseas to see it as that is the way it is going > > How would you Yanks like it if we Aussie got together and bought the > Stature of Liberty to set up in Australia > > I have a Mietz & Weiss, there was three of them in Queensland two have > gone to the USA and I have been offered what some people would say 'good > money' and if I sell mine then there is none and if look at a map of > Queensland it is bigger the most USA states > > Do you at all see the picture we have to keep a sample here for people to > see what was used to build Australia > > As some of you might know I run the Southern Cross Register, Southern > Cross was the largest manufacture of machinery in Queensland and from 1926 > to 1986 only made 90 thousand engines this might seam a lot but there was > many many models with production figures well under 500 the lowest run was > a ESB 21 made two have been found, YD 50 made 3 found and the list goes on > with a number of models yet to be found and some other low production runs > are showing up in the UK, snuck out from under our nose > > Now I'm not about stopping export but we do need to control what is being > exported > > SOUTHERN CROSS REGISTER > Ian Matthews > ianm01 at hotkey.net.au From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 03:18:39 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:18:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <000c01c8300c$5c490810$0401a8c0@matthews> <7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> Message-ID: <6f6025160711260318l7fc2129i60b28c93e6a7c93e@mail.gmail.com> As in most things, there are two sides to a discussion and we should all try and look at the other side's point of view. I agree that it is always nice to keep 'heritage' items (to use Tom's expression) in context in their country of use, and if that is an issue for the Australians and New Zealanders then they should take steps to buy such items in the free market and retain them. Just issuing a Govt edict that they should not be exported, without putting their own money up simply isn't going to work, and doesn't in my view. I don't agree with all of Arnie's view of dealers. They are NOT all the same and some have done considerable damage in their transactions, but as a generalisation, they are part of the problem. Rare items in any country will be sought after, and it is up to the individuals or Govt's of that country to put their money up or shut up. If they don't, then they can expect to see items going overseas, just as we in the UK have seen lots of our own engines etc going abroad. The Pound is probably higher in value against most currencies at present, but we don't seem to see a big influx of engines, possibly as we seem to see overseas prices being a bit inflated anyway? I personally don't feel that labelling any item as 'Heritage' makes it either more valuable or collectable or worth holding on to. It is a label, nothing else. True value can only be determined in an auction sale where those who want it most will pay the most. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Nov 26 03:26:13 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:26:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> Message-ID: <20071126112557.TQJM14439.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> This argument has been gone over so many times over the years that it should have a heritage order on it ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 05:45:07 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:45:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Slightly OT: Screen resolutions and brightness/contrast Message-ID: <6f6025160711260545v49cd3ca5r96b7203b1785ef95@mail.gmail.com> We have been trying to balance up the brightness and contrast settings for images we post on our website, but we notice that now we are using widescreen TFT monitors, the old CRT settings may be no longer valid for a lot of people. Has anyone noticed this while browsing ours and other sites? or are we worrying about a non-issue? We have also gradually increased the size of images, particularly those with a lot of detail in, and so far we haven't had anyone complain, but we would like to know if folks find it a problem with the large sizes (currently we are posting 896 X 672 pixels) Feedback would be appreciated please. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 26 06:28:10 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:28:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Slightly OT: Screen resolutions and brightness/contrast In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711260545v49cd3ca5r96b7203b1785ef95@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160711260545v49cd3ca5r96b7203b1785ef95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1627.12.223.26.26.1196087290.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> You can keep DPI down to under 100, which helps in FILE SIZE (more important than image view size for those still on dial-up which is still a large percentage in the states!) If it's going to be printed, 300DPI is as good as is needed unless there are special requests. Most printers still default to 300 and it's really "pretty good" for ordinary print viewing. I simply avoid sites with large images. On the sites and forums I maintain, I still assume that the typical audience won't have cable bandwidth speeds and is probably over 40 years old so using resolutions of no more than 1024 x yyy. On theAMCForum.com we try to keep folks to keep images down to under 800 wide for easier forum use and viewing - a courtesy. Avoid horizontal scrolling at all costs......... university studies show it's a huge turn-off and makes a site harder to view. Brightness - you have to experiment and just ask folks, or use different monitors. Try a notebook running on batteries, try a desktop with both CRT and flat type displays. Bill Runnells, Iowa USA http://antique-engines.com http://theamcpages.com http://theamcforum.com (webmaster, administrator of the fastest growing forum for fans of AMC, Nash, Hudson, Jeep, Rambler, Wheelhorse, etc.) > We have been trying to balance up the brightness and contrast settings > for images we post on our website, but we notice that now we are using > widescreen TFT monitors, the old CRT settings may be no longer valid > for a lot of people. > > Has anyone noticed this while browsing ours and other sites? or are > we worrying about a non-issue? > > We have also gradually increased the size of images, particularly > those with a lot of detail in, and so far we haven't had anyone > complain, but we would like to know if folks find it a problem with > the large sizes (currently we are posting 896 X 672 pixels) > > Feedback would be appreciated please. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 26 09:51:32 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:51:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <000c01c8300c$5c490810$0401a8c0@matthews> <7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> Message-ID: G'day Ian, I'd like to offer a few thoughts on your comments. > > I agree with Mr Gibbs as an Australian far to much machinery is > > being exported Now for some info to you Americans you might not know but > > should, Australia has only a population of 20million, what does America > > have something like 220million and if you go back to the early 1900s the > > population was very small, now you might say what does this mean, well it > > means the was not much machinery was imported or made here as there was > > not industry base that required it, result being what we have here is in > > low numbers and the idea of going bush (as we call it ) to find an old > > engine is now a rare thing but I see you Yanks (no insult intended) are > > still finding machinery laying around Some info for you Aussies that you might not know but should. During WWII, VAST quantities of the old flywheel engines went into the blast furnaces to turn out tanks, battleships, aircraft carriers, etc. That action accomplished two things. First, it allowed us to have this exchange of ideas in English rather than German or Japanese. Second, it made finding old engines when going bush as rare and exciting an event here as it is in Oz. Them's the facts mate. You have obviously grown up listening to fairy tales of fancy old iron hiding away in every barn and celler. BTW, the streets here aren't paved with gold either. Sorry. > > I have been to auctions where there have been Yanks there and they don't > > care what they pay for an engine, we can't match the power of your dollar > > and as Mr Gibb say we are losing our heritage to the all mighty dollar Hell mate, the country of origin of a collector has nothing to do with how deep his pockets are. If anything, given the current exchange rates due to the VERY weak dollar, we Yanks are at a MAJOR disadvantage compared to the Brits, Aussies, Canadians and Europeans in general. That is certainly born out by seeing who the top bidders are at auctions in the US. I think if you check with your mates you'll find that things are SOOO sweet right now that they are bringing in the Yank engines by the container load. So you should be thrilled that we don't subscribe to the flawed notion that an engine owner should be limited in terms of who he sells to. > > As Gibb's has said also the New Zealand government has recognised the > > heritage value of old machinery as the machinery numbers in NZ are even > > smaller than what's in Australia and now with a new Government in > > Australia we might stand a chance to have some laws changed Be careful what you wish for you might get it. You may find yourself TOTALLY controlled by your government. > > I find it disappointing to see machinery that built Australia I have to > > travel overseas to see it as that is the way it is going Piece of advice mate. Don't waste your money traveling to America, England, or Europe to see Aussie engines. The bloody things are scarce as hen's teeth in those countries. You need to look for more credible sources of info than carping letters to the editor. > > How would you Yanks like it if we Aussie got together and bought the > > Stature of Liberty to set up in Australia Brilliant idea! But ONLY if you also take the population of New York City as a part of the deal. > > I have a Mietz & Weiss, there was three of them in Queensland two have > > gone to the USA and I have been offered what some people would say 'good > > money' and if I sell mine then there is none and if look at a map of > > Queensland it is bigger the most USA states Mietz & Weiss? Is that a native Aussie-built engine? > > Do you at all see the picture we have to keep a sample here for people to > > see what was used to build Australia Gee, as with Mr. Gibb, no discussion on your part about banning the importation of "cultural heritage" engines from other countries. Why is that? > > As some of you might know I run the Southern Cross Register, Southern > > Cross was the largest manufacture of machinery in Queensland and from 1926 > > to 1986 only made 90 thousand engines this might seam a lot but there was > > many many models with production figures well under 500 the lowest run was > > a ESB 21 made two have been found, YD 50 made 3 found and the list goes on > > with a number of models yet to be found and some other low production runs > > are showing up in the UK, snuck out from under our nose Hmmm, ISTR that the R&V register is maintained by a dedicated Aussie. And correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those US built engines? I maintain a register of Lorenz & Benz engines that were built in the Czeck republic. So what? Every register keeper does so for one reason only. The love of the mark. > > Now I'm not about stopping export but we do need to control what is being > > exported Sure are. You're a greedy sod who wants the government to keep engine owners from being able to sell their property to the highest bidder. You want the government to forse him to sell the engine to YOU at a fraction of its true worth. You're a bloody Communist who's afraid to stand up and admit it. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com From George_Best at adp.com Mon Nov 26 09:01:06 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:01:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> What are the dates for the Portland swap meet in the Spring? This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 26 09:28:28 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:28:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: May 12-18. Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 26, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Best, George wrote: > What are the dates for the Portland swap meet in the Spring? > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and > delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 26 10:18:01 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:18:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: May 12-18, 2008. It's their 25th Spring Swap. On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Best, George wrote: > What are the dates for the Portland swap meet in the Spring? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 26 09:33:56 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:33:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Letter to the Editor - TOMM References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><000c01c8300c$5c490810$0401a8c0@matthews><7CE5D699ADDB4498A242C40906DB5369@KerryPC> Message-ID: <002a01c83052$85ce9920$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> machinery numbers in NZ are even > > smaller than what's in Australia and now with a new Government in > > Australia we might stand a chance to have some laws changed Be careful what you wish for you might get it. You may find yourself TOTALLY controlled by your government. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The very recent legislation bringing the hammer down on outlaw biker clubs making it illegal to congregate in their clubhouse or associate . Might that be applied to a bunch of gummers billowing dense black smoke from their boilers ? > > I have a Mietz & Weiss, there was three of them in Queensland two have > > gone to the USA and I have been offered what some people would say 'good > > money' and if I sell mine then there is none and if look at a map of > > Queensland it is bigger the most USA states Mietz & Weiss? Is that a native Aussie-built engine? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it bigger than Texas ? We just had a Chinese hit and miss engine turn up about 4 hours away . AAAAlmost made it onto my radar . From George_Best at adp.com Mon Nov 26 09:42:36 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:42:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B77BB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Thanks! A friend of mine asked me if I'd be interested in driving to the swap meet next year. Not much of a drive, about 2500 miles each way ;-) So what are the best days to be there? I find it hard to believe that anyone other than business vendors are there the full 7 days. I would think we'd only be there a couple of days before heading back home. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:28 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates May 12-18. Dave This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 10:35:28 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:35:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> On 26/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > May 12-18. > Dave > Hi Dave: How does that compare datewise with the spring show in Tulare? Might be worth thinking about a spring vacation.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 26 10:38:43 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:38:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <2078.12.223.26.26.1196102323.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Not to mention culture sharing, and the sharing of the history of nations and peoples. It's "not just the iron" being shared, it's an understanding and common history and will bring us together in the end. Well done. Bill > To the Editor: > > I read with great interest the Letter to the Editor from Mr. Andrew Gibb > (TOMM, > Issue 133, Oct-Nov, 2007). The letter was entitled ?Anti Export of > Machinery.? > It was only by chance that I happened to read the piece as I had just > finished > reading the main content of that issue. One of the things about the > content > that really struck me was how few Australian engines and tractors were > included. By my count there were 19 USA, 30 British, and 11 Australian. > I?m > not counting the steamers or the items For Sale. It seems to me that an > issue > containing ONLY those 11 Australian entries would be bloody boring; > especially > to the Australian readership. > > And this brings me to the heart of the matter and where I strongly > disagree with > everything that Mr. Gibb has to say. How can a so-called engine man drift > so > far off the track? The essence of this hobby is the enormous diversity of > machinery that is around and the equal diversity in the folks who make the > hobby so much fun. If poor old Mr. Gibb had his way, we?d all become > hermits > squatting alone in dark caves on the few machines we happened to own. > What a > horrible prospect. I feel so incredibly sorry for the man. He needs to > get > out more. He NEEDS to get a life! > > The USA and British engines were included in the TOMM issue for the same > reason > that different engines appear in Stationary Engine Magazine and Gas Engine > Magazine. Diversity is what makes the hobby interesting. Who wants to go > to a > rally and see the same old local stuff year after year? Why does an > American > engine on an Australian rally field attract so much attention? And why > does a > British engine attract so much attention on a rally field in the USA? > It?s > something different and there?s usually an interesting story that goes > along > with the engine. > > As an example, a good friend in England decided to get her husband an > American > oilfield engine for his 40th birthday. She contacted friends in the USA > who > quickly located a very rare 20 hp Tillinghast half-breed. The deal was > done > and the friends began to restore the engine. The finished engine on > massive > polished white oak timbers was presented to him and then rallied at the > Portland engine show (the largest in the world). The engine was then > crated by > the same group of friends and shipped over to England. The engine is > obviously > one-of-a-kind in England and is even pretty rare in the USA. It commands > a lot > of attention and is highly sought after by rally organizers. The story, > the > oak, and the engine itself generate equal interest. The full story may be > found in articles in both GEM and in SEM. > > Another friend has acquired a gorgeous 11 hp Austral. It?s complete, on > an > original transport, and in lovely original running condition. Now this > engine > has excited engine folks from one side of the USA to the other. In > addition to > displaying the normal adverts and engine literature, he also has history > on the > engine and what it did for a living (pumping water and powering a > sheep-shearing operation) on the sheep station it came from. Also > displayed > are kero tins and boxes along with a description of how those were used in > the > outback for everything from furniture to roofing and siding. As a result > of > this engine being on exhibit, Americans are learning that there?s far more > to > Oz than Crocodile Dundee, kangaroos, and shrimp on the barbie. The 11 hp > Austral is featured in a 5-page spread in the Dec-Jan 2007-2008 issue of > GEM. > > Mr. Gibb would be strongly opposed to the fact that the Austral was being > enjoyed in the USA. I can only assume that he would be equally distressed > that > an item of American ?cultural heritage? ended up in England. In fact, I > imagine that he is even more distressed that so many British and American > engines are in Australia at present. He?s probably apoplectic at the > current > rate at which old American iron is flooding into Oz by the container load > thereby diluting the native stock. Damn the favorable exchange rate > anyway. > Although, interestingly enough, he doesn?t say a word about rare foreign > iron > showing up on Aussie rally fields. A bit inconsistent wouldn?t you say > Mr. > Gibb? Maybe now is the time to begin an old iron repatriation movement. > Let?s > start, shall we, with the ultra-rare 7 hp Frisco Standard Engine on page > 34 of > that issue of TOMM. That engine should be back in San Francisco where it > could > contribute to the local cultural heritage. > > The final aspect of his screed that I would like to address is his ranting > about > ?dealers? and someone making a ?profit? on what they sell. Clearly, Mr. > Gibb > is a Communist and as such will have difficulty grasping what I have to > say > next. The presence of dealers in the old iron hobby is a good thing. > They > will buy whole barn loads of ?stuff? from a farmer who wants to sell even > though only one or two pieces are desirable. He then has his money tied > up > until he can finally turn over the last knackered old Lister D. Dealers > also > make the investment so that collectors who might never encounter that > particular farmer are able to buy an engine that they?re interested in. > Similarly, by having an inventory, dealers make it easier for newcomers to > the > hobby to acquire an engine or two to start their collections. I bought my > first engine from a dealer. > > I loved this line in Mr. Gibb?s letter: ?How can genuine enthusiasts buy > an > engine if they have to compete against the dealers who have too much money > to > spend and no interest in our nation?s heritage?? There is so much wrong > with > that single statement that I hardly know where to begin. Dealers, because > of > the need to make a profit, can never pay more for an engine than a > collector > would. That?s just simple economics. The market price for old engines is > pretty well normalized these days by the want ads in the various magazines > (TOMM, SEM, GEM), by eBay, and other Internet sales outlets like Harry?s > Engineads. http://www.enginads.com/ > > As to ?profit? Mr. Gibb says ? it is a disgrace that some people are > willing to > sacrifice our history, in order to line their own pockets.? Well, excuse > me > Mr. Gibb, but I guess you were absent at school when they discussed the > concept > of personal property and the owner?s right to dispose of it how he sees > fit. > Engines change hands for a great many reasons. It may be a change in > personal > circumstances, it may be health related, perhaps a child is going to > college or > getting married. Or it might be as simple as getting bored with the old > one > and wanting something different. In any case, if the seller makes some > money > on the deal, that allows him to buy something better or, as is often the > case, > just keep up with the ever changing market price of old engines. Making a > profit is not a bad thing. > > I think you should wake up and smell the eucalyptus Mr. Gibb. Instead of > ranting about old iron leaving Oz to go to collectors in other countries, > perhaps you would do better to encourage young folks by embracing the joy > that > this hobby actually provides and a real part of that joy involves engines > moving from one collector to another and from one country to another. > Engines > and engine friends are not limited to one?s country of origin. > > Best regards, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > 7050 Leechburg Road > New Kensington, PA 15068 USA > Phone: 724-722-6004 > Email: fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Nov 26 10:48:42 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:48:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B7A97@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> The Tulare show is in April. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:35 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates On 26/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > May 12-18. > Dave > Hi Dave: How does that compare datewise with the spring show in Tulare? Might be worth thinking about a spring vacation.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 26 11:48:37 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:48:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hiya Peter, Yep, you should definitely plan on several visits. With the current exchange rate, you should plunder the colony's old iron horde to the max. In fact, according to some list posts, it's the VERY best place to find tonnes of rare Aussie engines. 8->> See ya, Arnie On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 26/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > > May 12-18. > > How does that compare datewise with the spring show in Tulare? > Might be worth thinking about a spring vacation.... From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 12:12:59 2007 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:12:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Who's Collecting Engines at GEM ?? Richard Backus !!! 8>)) Message-ID: <248898.23988.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, Finally today my snail mail delivered my GEM. Yes Dave, Very nice write-up on you Austral. Then I turned the next page and saw the From A to Z "S" engines. I found a very interesting statement on page 35. "If you have an engine begin- ning with the letters T though Z, and would like it featured in A to Z, please send it to Gas Engine Magazine, 1503 S. W. 42nd St., Topeka, KS 66609; rbackur at ogdenpubs.com So, It appears like Richard Backus wants the engine sent to him so he can take pictures for GEM. I don't see any place here where it says you will get your engine back either. 8>))) I couldn't help it, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 26 12:27:44 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:27:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <2078.12.223.26.26.1196102323.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <2078.12.223.26.26.1196102323.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <8749EC9F-79B1-4F90-84A3-3FDDE537838B@alltel.net> Bill, Does this mean that you think the END is near? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 26, 2007, at 1:38 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > understanding > and common history and will bring us together in the end. > > Well done. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 26 12:42:12 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:42:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <8749EC9F-79B1-4F90-84A3-3FDDE537838B@alltel.net> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <2078.12.223.26.26.1196102323.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <8749EC9F-79B1-4F90-84A3-3FDDE537838B@alltel.net> Message-ID: <2422.12.223.26.26.1196109732.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Which end? The end of the year is near, the end of the day even nearer. Yes, I do - the end for people with closed minds............ > Bill, Does this mean that you think the END is near? > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Nov 26, 2007, at 1:38 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >> understanding >> and common history and will bring us together in the end. >> >> Well done. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Nov 26 14:57:20 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:57:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <003601c8307f$b3c8a4b0$97b5ecdc@Edd> Got one real good one.(Perkins side shaft)plus the rest all of which are rare here.This discussion is going great,keep it up blokes.OH and also I am still not getting all the messages through as some being answered are not showing up here. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM > Congratulations, Edd. Be sure to send pictures when you get 'em. I'm > a little curious about what kind of Yank engines would be better than > some nice English engines. > > You're right about the attention that foreign engines can get. I > especially get a kick out of reading TOMM or SEM, and seeing the same > enthusiasm given toward nice local engines and common American > engines. The same is true here. > > Rob > > > > > On Nov 25, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Edd Payne wrote: > >> Hi Arnie.The letter is fantastic and says what most of us here think >> and >> feel.As you know I have several American engines that I have >> imported and >> have 5 more on the way.To get these I have had to sell some of my >> English >> oil engines so as to afford them.Some of my American engines are one >> offs in >> Australia and show people here a wider range of iron than otherwise >> available at shows.I personally have only exported one engine to the >> US and >> this was more of a swap deal .It got me a Mogul Jr and this little >> engine >> draws a lot of attention here as they were not sent here during there >> working life time. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Nov 26 16:46:23 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:46:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Phoenix Trip Pictures References: <6f6025160711251506s4d1a59c2l690243b1f4b55323@mail.gmail.com> <00cc01c82fbc$665baba0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: <000801c8308e$f0f44a10$6500a8c0@home> Great Pictures , Very interesting , love the engines and planes , Thanks for sharing ! It would be great to put that Pratt & Whitney R-4360. on my burr mill ,. :-)) Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Waugh" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Phoenix Trip Pictures > Excellent pictures and getting them on the web > > Paul Waugh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: ; "Stationary-Engine" > > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:06 PM > Subject: [SEL] Phoenix Trip Pictures > > >> These are the start of the pictures we took on our visit to Phoenix: >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nov07USA/PimaMenu1.htm >> >> The engines at the GoldField Ghost Town mught be of interest, lots of >> old rusty iron in that place.... >> >> Picked up a B17 piston (1945 manufacture) at Falcon Field, could have >> had a complete conrod/master rod set as well, but too heavy for the >> luggage! They have various non-usable engine parts for sale in the >> museum shop. >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 26 17:38:08 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:38:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM In-Reply-To: <003601c8307f$b3c8a4b0$97b5ecdc@Edd> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> <003601c8307f$b3c8a4b0$97b5ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <474B7500.8060407@scrtc.com> Edd, Is it a horizontal or an upright Perkins? If its a horizontal, I'm going to join Mr. Gibbs line of thought..... I want our "heritage" in my shed not yours! Hey just kidding. Sounds like you have some nice toys headed your way. Tommy Turner Edd Payne wrote: >Got one real good one.(Perkins side shaft)plus the rest all of which are >rare here.This discussion is going great,keep it up blokes.OH and also I am >still not getting all the messages through as some being answered are not >showing up here. >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia >2852 >Phone:0263742387 >edsengns at optusnet.com.au >edsengns >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob Skinner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:33 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM > > > > >>Congratulations, Edd. Be sure to send pictures when you get 'em. I'm >>a little curious about what kind of Yank engines would be better than >>some nice English engines. >> >>You're right about the attention that foreign engines can get. I >>especially get a kick out of reading TOMM or SEM, and seeing the same >>enthusiasm given toward nice local engines and common American >>engines. The same is true here. >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >>On Nov 25, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Edd Payne wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Arnie.The letter is fantastic and says what most of us here think >>>and >>>feel.As you know I have several American engines that I have >>>imported and >>>have 5 more on the way.To get these I have had to sell some of my >>>English >>>oil engines so as to afford them.Some of my American engines are one >>>offs in >>>Australia and show people here a wider range of iron than otherwise >>>available at shows.I personally have only exported one engine to the >>>US and >>>this was more of a swap deal .It got me a Mogul Jr and this little >>>engine >>>draws a lot of attention here as they were not sent here during there >>>working life time. >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Nov 26 18:08:34 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:08:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><001001c82fce$3b963f90$97b5ecdc@Edd> <003601c8307f$b3c8a4b0$97b5ecdc@Edd> <474B7500.8060407@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <005101c8309a$6b683f30$97b5ecdc@Edd> Hi Tommy.It is a vertical pumping engine with its pumping gears.It is complete and has been restored.The other engines are a 1.5hp Domestic side shaft,a 1.5hp Grey ,a 1.5hp Bates and Edmonds Bull Dog and the last is a ZD F/M that I got very cheap in a scrap yard just to save it from melt down.Also got an original Saw rig to fit my 6 hp Famous cart.This will make my engine complete.All this stuff is rare or non existent here inc the ZD but I will sell it on as I already have one and defiantly don't need two. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM > Edd, > Is it a horizontal or an upright Perkins? If its a horizontal, I'm > going to join Mr. Gibbs line of thought..... I want our "heritage" in my > shed not yours! Hey just kidding. Sounds like you have some nice toys > headed your way. > > Tommy Turner > > > > Edd Payne wrote: > >>Got one real good one.(Perkins side shaft)plus the rest all of which are >>rare here.This discussion is going great,keep it up blokes.OH and also I >>am >>still not getting all the messages through as some being answered are not >>showing up here. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Rob Skinner" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:33 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Letter to the Editor - TOMM >> >> >> >> >>>Congratulations, Edd. Be sure to send pictures when you get 'em. I'm >>>a little curious about what kind of Yank engines would be better than >>>some nice English engines. >>> >>>You're right about the attention that foreign engines can get. I >>>especially get a kick out of reading TOMM or SEM, and seeing the same >>>enthusiasm given toward nice local engines and common American >>>engines. The same is true here. >>> >>>Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Nov 25, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Edd Payne wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi Arnie.The letter is fantastic and says what most of us here think >>>>and >>>>feel.As you know I have several American engines that I have >>>>imported and >>>>have 5 more on the way.To get these I have had to sell some of my >>>>English >>>>oil engines so as to afford them.Some of my American engines are one >>>>offs in >>>>Australia and show people here a wider range of iron than otherwise >>>>available at shows.I personally have only exported one engine to the >>>>US and >>>>this was more of a swap deal .It got me a Mogul Jr and this little >>>>engine >>>>draws a lot of attention here as they were not sent here during there >>>>working life time. >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 27 07:48:38 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:48:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> Hi Peter, I'm not sure what your question is. The Portland Swap Meet is simply that--A SWAP MEET. Tulare is one hell of a SHOW that everyone should attend at least once in their life--it's a GOOD ONE! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 26, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 26/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: >> May 12-18. >> Dave >> > > Hi Dave: > > How does that compare datewise with the spring show in Tulare? > > Might be worth thinking about a spring vacation.... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 10:25:43 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:25:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com> <42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com> On 27/11/2007, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Peter, > I'm not sure what your question is. The Portland Swap Meet is simply > that--A SWAP MEET. Tulare is one hell of a SHOW that everyone should > attend at least once in their life--it's a GOOD ONE! > Dave > Sorry, Dave, I was just trying to see if we could get to do both in one trip, but they are too far apart in date terms for that to work. Agree about the Tulare show we have been there twice.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 27 11:29:38 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:29:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com><42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I find it hard to believe that this swap meet goes on for 7 days. Who on this list goes to the Portland swap meet, and which days or for how many days do you go? Is the swap meet really any better than what is available in the vendor area during the August show? 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From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 27 12:05:44 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:05:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com><42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> George, I've been to every swap meet at Portland since they began. Sometimes I've been there 3 or 4 days, other times only 1 day. Its a large swap meet but like all others, it has migrated away from the antique engines and tractors somewhat and you see more and more lawn and garden tractors and the like there. I don't think it compares to the swap/sell area at the Portland show. If I were going to attend, I would say the Wed - Thurs. time frame is best. A lot of folks are there on Monday but people are still "feeling" one another out and I usually don't see much dealing going on (that is unless a bargin rolls in which is almost non existent today). By Wed. more folks and iron rolls in and everyone seems to be in more of a "swap" mood. All the swaps were much better 15 years ago than today. I used to go to Waukee every year and it was super until about 2000 or so (hey, I can remember buying an 8 HP cam stopper Field Brundage there in the mid 90's for less than $3000!). The last time I went, in 2002 I think, I bought one oiler. Not worth the trip. Considering that we're now having to deal with $3 a gallon gas (and $3.40 a gallon diesel), that could be closer to $4 a gallon by May, a 1000 mile trip (500 each way) and 3 or 4 overnight stays will cost around $700 just for the trip. Throw in a few good meals and some misc. costs and you won't be far from 1000 bucks. This is for a 1000 mile trip. Your trip will be about 5000 miles (2500 each way). Unless your truck gets over 20 mpg, you're going to spend close to $1000 for fuel alone. I want you to come as I'd like to see you again, share some stories, eat a hamburger (or better yet a steak) together, etc. I'm not sure coming for the engines and parts alone will make it worthwhile. But, thats the good thing about the old iron. There's a lot more to it than iron. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I find it hard to believe that this swap meet goes on for 7 days. > >Who on this list goes to the Portland swap meet, and which days or for >how many days do you go? > >Is the swap meet really any better than what is available in the vendor >area during the August show? > > >This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Nov 27 12:32:07 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:32:07 -0000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com><42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <05f301c83134$959ddb30$8335c53e@doc> > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Judge Tommy Turner > Sent: 27 November 2007 20:06 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates > > ... > Considering that we're now having to deal with $3 a > gallon gas (and > $3.40 a gallon diesel), that could be closer to $4 a gallon by May, > ... Gas in my nearest pump has just gone past $9.00 a US gallon for diesel. $4 - luxury! All the best Pete -- Peter Scales From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 27 13:34:53 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:34:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com><42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Groan.... BTW folks, that's one reason to NOT look at back issues of GEM from the 60's and 70's. Reading the For Sale ads will make you cry... See ya, Arnie PS - Tommy? Wanna double your money on that Field Brundage? 8-)) On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > All the swaps were much better 15 years ago than today. I used to > go to Waukee every year and it was super until about 2000 or so (hey, I > can remember buying an 8 HP cam stopper Field Brundage there in the mid > 90's for less than $3000!). From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 27 13:02:18 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:02:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com><42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <474C85DA.9080708@scrtc.com> Arnie, Sounds like I made a good investment. If something were to happen to me I'm sure my wife would be glad to get rid of it for what I paid for it! (when I bought it she walked up when I paid the guy $200 to hold it for me...... she never knew he had more coming) Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky >Groan.... BTW folks, that's one reason to NOT look at back issues of GEM >from the 60's and 70's. Reading the For Sale ads will make you cry... > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Tommy? Wanna double your money on that Field Brundage? 8-)) > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 27 13:11:06 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: <05f301c83134$959ddb30$8335c53e@doc> References: <1196037143.474a1417803bd@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052B75DB@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160711261035o3698ef20icad4f77d868909b2@mail.gmail.com><42F47296-4A15-4972-A762-E9FC4FEA2D7E@alltel.net> <6f6025160711271025l7970ffa2hd6abfdc2b1668a63@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059052EADD4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <474C7898.20200@scrtc.com> <05f301c83134$959ddb30$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <474C87EA.8020005@scrtc.com> We've got it good! (not just as good as we used to). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >>Judge Tommy Turner >>Sent: 27 November 2007 20:06 >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates >> >>... >> Considering that we're now having to deal with $3 a >>gallon gas (and >>$3.40 a gallon diesel), that could be closer to $4 a gallon by May, >>... >> >> > >Gas in my nearest pump has just gone past $9.00 a US gallon for diesel. > >$4 - luxury! > >All the best > > Pete > > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 27 13:15:04 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:15:04 EST Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates Message-ID: In a message dated 11/27/2007 4:04:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: when I bought it she walked up when I paid the guy $200 to hold it for me...... she never knew he had more coming) Tommy, A couple of years ago I went to a sporting goods store closeout. Ended up with an over/under 20g shotgun at dealer cost of $1500. When I went to pay for it I discovered that I did not have that much in cash and had to use the credit card. Since Millie pays the bills, there was no way to hide that purchase causing some grief. Moral of the story, carry more cash! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From Frank at lbpinc.com Tue Nov 27 14:33:51 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed Message-ID: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> Hi I am doing the CAD design for a guy who makes high tech hammers. I am familiar with plastic mold making but this lost wax mold design is new to me. I want to design the part and have someone else design the mold. Does any one know a good wax mold designer? They must be able to work from 3D CAD models Thanks Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 27 15:43:26 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:43:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed In-Reply-To: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: Hi Frank, These folks are the best working with wax!! http://www.madame-tussauds.co.uk/index.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Tussauds See ya, Arnie On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Frank DeWitt wrote: > Does any one know a good wax mold designer? From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 27 14:52:56 2007 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:52:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed In-Reply-To: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105905315CB9@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Could you show us an example of a high tech hammer? Just curious so I'll know the difference between the high tech and the low tech ones ;-) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Frank DeWitt Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:34 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed Hi I am doing the CAD design for a guy who makes high tech hammers. I am familiar with plastic mold making but this lost wax mold design is new to me. I want to design the part and have someone else design the mold. Does any one know a good wax mold designer? They must be able to work from 3D CAD models Thanks Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members /frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From Frank at lbpinc.com Tue Nov 27 15:05:06 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:05:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed Message-ID: <20071127230600.1175958CDB@gw1.nlenet.net> And I thought Nuclear engineers didn't have a practical side. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost-wax_casting Thanks Arnie Frank Hi Frank, These folks are the best working with wax!! http://www.madame-tussauds.co.uk/index.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Tussauds See ya, Arnie On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Frank DeWitt wrote: > Does any one know a good wax mold designer? +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From Frank at lbpinc.com Tue Nov 27 15:00:29 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:00:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed Message-ID: <20071127230559.A685158C9A@gw1.nlenet.net> Could you show us an example of a high tech hammer? Just curious so I'll know the difference between the high tech and the low tech ones ;-) Sure, I am quite proud to be working with this guy. Here is the web site. BTW They look nice but the high tech comes in when you use them with the side pull, the side striking face, the chisel end, and if you need to change the handle it just bolts on. http://douglastool.com/ Frank From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue Nov 27 15:17:31 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:17:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed In-Reply-To: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <474CA58B.6030502@xplornet.com> Hello Frank, I beg ignorance. What is a "high tech hammer"? How does it differ from any hammer Snap-On will have in their catalog? I've played around with lost wax casting a bit. There are some professional lost was casters on the "casting" group on Yahoo . Rupert Frank DeWitt wrote: > Hi I am doing the CAD design for a guy who makes high tech hammers. I > am familiar with plastic mold making but this lost wax mold design is > new to me. I want to design the part and have someone else design the > mold. Does any one know a good wax mold designer? They must be able to > work from 3D CAD models > > Thanks > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1153 - Release Date: 11/26/2007 9:08 PM -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Nov 27 16:04:59 2007 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:04:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Update on Bill Miller Message-ID: Hi Paul and everyone, This is Randy. I finally sat down last night and went through Dad's email (around 380) since it was about 1:00 am I just didn't feel up to sending a reply. Dad is spending his days in his chair, sleeping most of the time. He's taking steroids so his appetite is still pretty good and he's eating well. If he wakes up on his own he usually knows what's going on, his eyes are bright and he can sometimes get out what he wants to say. If he's sleepy or gets woken up is when it's the worst. Family and friends have been coming by and when he wakes up he's very glad to see everyone. We were able to get private 24 hr help and it's been much better on everyone. We're just taking it one day at a time, and praising God for each one of those little grins Dad give out now and then. Thanks for the kind words and especially for the prayers. I'm going to leave Dad on the list so I can keep up with what's going on. Thanks again, Randy Miller **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 27 16:40:23 2007 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:40:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT but still iron. Mold maker needed References: <20071127223600.743BD5AA27@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <005701c83157$4385ff30$6a01a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> That aint Stiletto is it ? > Hi I am doing the CAD design for a guy who makes high tech > hammers. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Nov 27 19:18:42 2007 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:18:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates Message-ID: <410-220071132831842671@earthlink.net> I think that last year will be the last time I will go to Waukee, it took 3 hours to drive there and less than one hour to go through the whole place and buy nothing. Didn't see anything worth bringing home. 10 years ago it would take a hard 8 hours to walk through it and load many things in the back of the truck. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Judge Tommy Turner > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 11/27/2007 2:09:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates > > All the swaps were much better 15 years ago than today. I used to > go to Waukee every year and it was super until about 2000 or so > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From kimmell at verizon.net Tue Nov 27 20:53:39 2007 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:53:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0JS7009699IGY4U0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Thank God I'm the one who handles the bills and checkbook in this house... my wife would kill me if she knew what I spent on some of these old cars and engines!! -Tony At 03:15 PM 11/27/2007, you wrote: >A couple of years ago I went to a sporting goods store closeout. Ended up >with an over/under 20g shotgun at dealer cost of $1500. When I went >to pay for >it I discovered that I did not have that much in cash and had to use the >credit card. Since Millie pays the bills, there was no way to hide >that purchase >causing some grief. Moral of the story, carry more cash! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Nov 27 21:40:37 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:40:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates References: <0JS7009699IGY4U0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <017e01c83181$4cbdf9c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> This thread is going to sort the wimps from the men!!! Ha! My shed pays for itself. It has its own 'Playmoney tin' I want it, I buy it. New lathe, mill, USA trip, whatever. Zilch to do with the 'house money' Go on, eat yer hearts out! Good planning! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates > Thank God I'm the one who handles the bills and checkbook in this > house... my wife would kill me if she knew what I spent on some of > these old cars and engines!! > > -Tony > > > At 03:15 PM 11/27/2007, you wrote: >>A couple of years ago I went to a sporting goods store closeout. Ended up >>with an over/under 20g shotgun at dealer cost of $1500. When I went >>to pay for >>it I discovered that I did not have that much in cash and had to use the >>credit card. Since Millie pays the bills, there was no way to hide >>that purchase >>causing some grief. Moral of the story, carry more cash! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Nov 27 21:41:48 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:41:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates References: <0JS7009699IGY4U0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <017f01c83181$62e5f900$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> This thread is going to sort the wimps from the men!!! Ha! My shed pays for itself. It has its own 'Playmoney tin' I want it, I buy it. New lathe, mill, USA trip, whatever. Zilch to do with the 'house money' Go on, eat yer hearts out! (Now, where can I buy some years?) Good planning! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jackie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates > Thank God I'm the one who handles the bills and checkbook in this > house... my wife would kill me if she knew what I spent on some of > these old cars and engines!! > > -Tony > > > At 03:15 PM 11/27/2007, you wrote: >>A couple of years ago I went to a sporting goods store closeout. Ended up >>with an over/under 20g shotgun at dealer cost of $1500. When I went >>to pay for >>it I discovered that I did not have that much in cash and had to use the >>credit card. Since Millie pays the bills, there was no way to hide >>that purchase >>causing some grief. Moral of the story, carry more cash! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Nov 28 17:20:39 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:20:39 EST Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates Message-ID: In a message dated 11/28/2007 12:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: This thread is going to sort the wimps from the men!!! Reg, Did you have to send me that same email twice and really rub it in????? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 28 17:49:57 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:49:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D6DEE06-D937-4647-81D0-9CF62D50D4D4@alltel.net> Many (MOST) of Reg's posts come in twice. It's just something with which we all need to live! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Nov 28, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/28/2007 12:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: > > This thread is going to sort the wimps from the men!!! > > Reg, > > Did you have to send me that same email twice and really rub it > in????? > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of > 2007's hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? > NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Nov 28 19:39:21 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:39:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates References: <2D6DEE06-D937-4647-81D0-9CF62D50D4D4@alltel.net> Message-ID: <01d201c8323b$4adc25e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ive taken it up with the server. I get batches of mail x 6 now annd then. Never been given a good reason for it. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2008 Portland swap meet dates > Many (MOST) of Reg's posts come in twice. It's just something with > which we all need to live! > Dave > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Nov 28, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 11/28/2007 12:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: >> >> This thread is going to sort the wimps from the men!!! >> >> Reg, >> >> Did you have to send me that same email twice and really rub it >> in????? >> >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. >> Germoamer at aol.com >> >> >> >> **************************************Check out AOL's list of >> 2007's hottest >> products. >> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? >> NCID=aoltop00030000000001) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 29 02:10:04 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:10:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: <20071129100941.KEXC19013.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I hope to see a few list members at the Young Rally on the weekend. Some pics from the last one: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y051.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 29 02:48:02 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:48:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally References: <20071129100941.KEXC19013.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003701c83275$586251a0$97b5ecdc@Edd> I will be there .All loaded and ready to go tomorrow morning .See you there. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Young Rally >I hope to see a few list members at the Young Rally on the weekend. > Some pics from the last one: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y051.html > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From brock at netspeed.com.au Thu Nov 29 03:58:08 2007 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:58:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Message-ID: <474ea950.161.14b0.1215358165@netspeed.com.au> G,day Patrick see ya there it will be a good weekend ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:10:04 +1100 > I hope to see a few list members at the Young Rally on the > weekend. Some pics from the last one: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y051.html > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Nov 29 09:25:59 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:25:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! Message-ID: <200711291931687.SM01864@Laptop.databak.co.za> Hi All, A new lump of rust followed me home yesterday - it's a lot bigger and heavier than the rusty things I usually collect but it was given to me and at that price I decided to keep it. It's a 12 H.P. Witte Horizontal Diesel. I'm not sure of the manufacturing date (or even the "Type") and would appreciate some help. I've put some pics here if you would care to look: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). ***************** Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: See: www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm or learn how to finish off your plates www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Nov 29 09:56:17 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:56:17 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! In-Reply-To: <200711291931687.SM01864@Laptop.databak.co.za> References: <200711291931687.SM01864@Laptop.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <08b801c832b1$246f6720$8335c53e@doc> Hi Jerry I am guessing that the tank is a diesel tank, and that the missing pump is part of the injection gear, just going on the 'look' of things. I'm sorry, but I don't know these engines at all. All the best Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jerry Evans > Sent: 29 November 2007 17:26 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! > > Hi All, > A new lump of rust followed me home yesterday - it's > a lot bigger > and heavier than the rusty things I usually collect but it > was given to me > and at that price I decided to keep it. > > It's a 12 H.P. Witte Horizontal Diesel. I'm not sure of the > manufacturing date (or even the "Type") and would appreciate > some help. > > I've put some pics here if you would care to look: > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). > ***************** > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > See: > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > or learn how to finish off your plates > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rholtzer at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 16:45:34 2007 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:45:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! In-Reply-To: <08b801c832b1$246f6720$8335c53e@doc> References: <200711291931687.SM01864@Laptop.databak.co.za> <08b801c832b1$246f6720$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: My Witte has an automotive type fuel pump that runs off an ecentric on the crankshaft. The two bolts in the picture mount the pump. A rod (?) comes up through the top of the casting (the bolt or whatever -- I can't tell from the picture). At any rate it is connected to the fuel pump arm and allows manual priming of the fuel system - a real essential for bleeding the injector system! The injector pump sits more or less over the crank just in front of the fuel pump and runs off the cam drive -- the drive gear can be seen in the "big end" close up of Jerry's pictures. I don't see a tank -- there is an oil filter. It is automotive size. Oil is pressure fed to the valves and main bearings. On my engine there is an external oil pump on the side of the engine in front of the crank. I think there is a pump on Jerry's engine -- barely visible in the "big end" picture. Bob Holtzer, Sacramento At 09:56 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote: >Hi Jerry > >I am guessing that the tank is a diesel tank, and that the missing pump is >part of the injection gear, just going on the 'look' of things. I'm sorry, >but I don't know these engines at all. > >All the best > > Pete >-- >Peter Scales > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Jerry Evans > > Sent: 29 November 2007 17:26 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! > > > > Hi All, > > A new lump of rust followed me home yesterday - it's > > a lot bigger > > and heavier than the rusty things I usually collect but it > > was given to me > > and at that price I decided to keep it. > > > > It's a 12 H.P. Witte Horizontal Diesel. I'm not sure of the > > manufacturing date (or even the "Type") and would appreciate > > some help. > > > > I've put some pics here if you would care to look: > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > (Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). > > ***************** > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > See: > > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm > > or learn how to finish off your plates > > www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rholtzer at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 16:25:06 2007 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:25:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! In-Reply-To: <200711291931687.SM01864@Laptop.databak.co.za> References: <200711291931687.SM01864@Laptop.databak.co.za> Message-ID: The 12 hp Witte is similar to the Arrow Engine Company CD generator engine -- www.arrowspecialty.com. These generating systems are still in use. I have a 12hp with 8kva generator. These engines may have a radiator cooling system with a large tub-shaped casting that mounts on top of the cylinder and a radiator mounted on the casting. Belt drive fan from a pulley that bolts on a flywheel. Or they can have an external cooling system of some type -- my engine had the radiator casting but had been plumbed for external water supply. I have since installed a Susuki Samari radiator and electric fan. The flywheel in one of your pictures seems somewhat less massive than the ones on my engine. Might suggest the engine was not used for electrical generation -- I don't know. At any rate, they are a fun old piece of heavy iron and the "chug - chug" is a delight to hear. Several Wittes were on display at Tulare a few years back -- mostly the smaller ones. Bob Holtzer, Sacramento, CA At 09:25 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote: >Hi All, > A new lump of rust followed me home yesterday - it's a lot bigger >and heavier than the rusty things I usually collect but it was given to me >and at that price I decided to keep it. > > It's a 12 H.P. Witte Horizontal Diesel. I'm not sure of the >manufacturing date (or even the "Type") and would appreciate some help. > > I've put some pics here if you would care to look: > > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >(Winners of the 2007 Rugby World cup). > ***************** >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >See: >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm >or learn how to finish off your plates >www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/finish.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From farmall36 at vci.net Thu Nov 29 21:05:43 2007 From: farmall36 at vci.net (farmall36 at vci.net) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:05:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT- Massey-Harris parts wanted References: <000c01c82b1c$fb30fef0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH><00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> <4744B166.8090001@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <006e01c8330e$b1725d00$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Will the manifold work off a MH 30 ? Let me know I have a pair of old MH 30s out to pasture. Kevin Mosier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rupert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: [SEL] OT- Massey-Harris parts wanted > Hello Group, > Sorry for posting this here but I'm sure many of you are knowledgeable > on tractors too. > My bother-in-Law is looking for a manifold for a Massey-Harris tractor. > The M-H 555 has the same engine. The engine is a J382 Continental. The > casting number is J382608. He would appreciate any leads to obtaining a > new or used one. A used one preferred. > A Canadian source is the best but we will be happy to hear of any source. > > Thanks in advance. > Rupert > -- > yvt > > Rupert Wenig > Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > > email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > > http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Fri Nov 30 09:00:24 2007 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:00:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT- Massey-Harris parts wanted In-Reply-To: <006e01c8330e$b1725d00$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <000c01c82b1c$fb30fef0$0200a8c0@GALMIWHOLROYDMH><00ea01c82b21$f86f7bb0$f6d24c0c@D48VHZ61> <4744B166.8090001@xplornet.com> <006e01c8330e$b1725d00$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <475041A8.5050701@xplornet.com> Hello Kevin, I will check but I think the MH30 uses a different engine. The MH55 uses a Continental J382. Thanks for checking. Rupert farmall36 at vci.net wrote: > Will the manifold work off a MH 30 ? > Let me know I have a pair of old MH 30s out to pasture. > Kevin Mosier > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rupert" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:29 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT- Massey-Harris parts wanted > > >> Hello Group, >> Sorry for posting this here but I'm sure many of you are knowledgeable >> on tractors too. >> My bother-in-Law is looking for a manifold for a Massey-Harris tractor. >> The M-H 555 has the same engine. The engine is a J382 Continental. The >> casting number is J382608. He would appreciate any leads to obtaining a >> new or used one. A used one preferred. >> A Canadian source is the best but we will be happy to hear of any source. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> Rupert >> -- >> yvt >> >> Rupert Wenig >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. >> >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> >> http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 30 11:05:51 2007 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:05:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Witte Diesel followed me home !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting critter, Jerry. The oil filter can appears identical to the one on my '51 Plymouth. I've seen these pumping oil in the outback of Texas.Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SDsluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i?m Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Nov 30 22:43:42 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:43:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine info Message-ID: <002701c833e5$ccb9b8b0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All The pictures I sent some time back of an engine to identify has sort of drawn a blank, with two suggestions. The guy who owns it is away but he said the engine No. is D101, does that ring any bells to what make it is. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Nov 30 22:58:32 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:58:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine info References: <002701c833e5$ccb9b8b0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <005501c833e7$95d8bb50$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All Forget the last post on the Mystery engine, I was having a senior's moment and was one email ahead of myself Peter, Oz > Hi All > The pictures I sent some time back of an engine to identify has sort of > drawn a blank, with two suggestions. > The guy who owns it is away but he said the engine No. is D101, does that > ring any bells to what make it is. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >