Thanks Bill & Pete, Will try 1951 and 2001. (Later) Used 2001 - 1951 is too early for VCR's. Thanks for your help. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " If you want to see what Betty buys - (_o_) you have to see through Betty's eyes."