From clemsweller at etczone.com Thu Mar 1 03:46:23 2007 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 06:46:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need help moving a Delco Light Plant. In-Reply-To: <000c01c75b92$593b2670$6400a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <200703010645517.SM05500@chuckPC> Tommy, If you are coming to Portland in May, I could pick it up and deliver it up there for you! I work in Indianapolis and Pendleton wouldn't be a huge detour. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stojanov Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 6:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Need help moving a Delco Light Plant. Hi Folks, My youngest brother decided that he wanted an engine of his own some time ago. He was looking over Enginads last night and found a small Delco Light plant he was interested in located in Pendleton, IN, about 35 miles north of Indianapolis. I called the fellow who had it for sale and my brother agreed to buy it. Is there anyone who might be traveling through or near Indianapolis who would be willing to help bring it further east? I will be attending the summer Coolspring show or would be willing to meet someone. Thanks. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 3:24 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 3:24 PM From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 1 05:45:18 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 05:45:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Need help moving a Delco Light Plant. In-Reply-To: <200703010645517.SM05500@chuckPC> References: <200703010645517.SM05500@chuckPC> Message-ID: <4121.165.206.180.53.1172756718.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I will be taking a truck and trailer from Des Moines, Iowa to Reading PA before the end of summer. I'll probably take the easiest, quickest path as I want to do it in a weekend. I suspect without looking that means I80. I need to pickup a car in/near Reading. So my rig will be empty going east. If this fits in with anything........... I'd consider it. since I'll have a friend travelling with me for moral support and muscle, I can't take up a lot of his time too, but heck, if it works out, I'll talk about it. Would that path be even close at all???? I have no idea where anything is east of Ill, and I'm not even sure about much of ILL. (geometry and spelng were not my strong suits) Bill > Tommy, > > If you are coming to Portland in May, I could pick it up and deliver it up > there for you! I work in Indianapolis and Pendleton wouldn't be a huge > detour. > > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stojanov > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 6:44 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Need help moving a Delco Light Plant. > > Hi Folks, > > My youngest brother decided that he wanted an engine of his own some time > ago. He was looking over Enginads last night and found a small Delco > Light > plant he was interested in located in Pendleton, IN, about 35 miles north > of > > Indianapolis. I called the fellow who had it for sale and my brother > agreed > > to buy it. Is there anyone who might be traveling through or near > Indianapolis who would be willing to help bring it further east? I will > be > attending the summer Coolspring show or would be willing to meet someone. > Thanks. > > Sincerely, > Tommy Stojanov > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 > 3:24 PM > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 > 3:24 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 1 16:20:42 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:20:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Nixon Auction 24th march Texas Message-ID: <004301c75c60$9d594e80$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Anyone going to Bill Keene's auction in Haltom City, Texas, March 24th http://nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/keene_listing/ or http://nixonauctioneers.com/ I am after the info (Serial numbers) from the two R&V verticals that are for sale and lots of good photos from all over both engines. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 1 18:27:53 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 21:27:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs In-Reply-To: <45E639A8.7060903@imc-group.com> References: <200702261934390.SM00976@new.databak.co.za> <001e01c75aee$606f4650$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61> <00d401c75aef$b1769250$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <1172712723.45e62d13d00e8@webmail.city-net.com> <45E6339C.8010008@imc-group.com> <1172715348.45e6375439b60@webmail.city-net.com> <45E639A8.7060903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1172802473.45e78ba9a8d88@webmail.city-net.com> The hot rumor is that Curt is at Zolfo Springs in drag to hide his identity. Curt, We need to know the TRUTH!! How long have you been dressing in drag and does Missy know??? See ya, Arnie > > Sunny, 80's, nice breeze. Zolfo Springs is GREAT!! The Austral, the > > Bamford, and the hot tube IHC "M" are all running great as is Glenn's > > Kewaunee and Tom's 7 hp Economy saw rig and Jim's model engines. > > > > Y'all come on down!! 8-)) From curt at imc-group.com Fri Mar 2 05:28:31 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:28:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs In-Reply-To: <1172802473.45e78ba9a8d88@webmail.city-net.com> References: <200702261934390.SM00976@new.databak.co.za> <001e01c75aee$606f4650$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61> <00d401c75aef$b1769250$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <1172712723.45e62d13d00e8@webmail.city-net.com> <45E6339C.8010008@imc-group.com> <1172715348.45e6375439b60@webmail.city-net.com> <45E639A8.7060903@imc-group.com> <1172802473.45e78ba9a8d88@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <45E8267F.4060704@imc-group.com> Arnie, ??? wow you guys must have put quite a few back last night! I am neither in drag nor at the Zolfo Springs show. Would sure enjoy being so (not in drag but at the show!). Glad you guys are enjoying warm and dry weather 'cause it sure sucked here yesterday and last night. At least 6" of rain at the house. Quite a mess with flooding rivers, lakes, etc. Went to our club meeting last night, and then readied Devin for his 6:00 a.m. departure to Space Camp in Alabama this morning. As you can imagine he was real excited. So much for the quiet weekend alone with Missy, as she invited her entire family here for the weekend to goto the Southern Spring show. So we'll have a full house. You can bet I'll stay in the shop, working on a couple of patterns and coreboxes I am in the middle of. You guys at least take a picture of the SEL area and post it for us. It would be good to see the lot of you having fun there. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > The hot rumor is that Curt is at Zolfo Springs in drag to hide his identity. > Curt, We need to know the TRUTH!! How long have you been dressing in drag and > does Missy know??? > > See ya, Arnie > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Mar 2 10:39:47 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:39:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Life's good Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070302202747.00aa5b10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Had a hard week. It's Friday evening 8.30 pm here. We are having a drought and it has been dry and as hot as hell here but we had about half an inch of rain between 5 and 6pm this evening and everything is a bit cooler and the dust has settled. I'm having a drink with the old Wolseley and Life is Good! Keep well and have one with me. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 2 17:21:50 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 19:21:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Stover Coolant Tank Stand Castings for Sale Message-ID: <005601c75d32$525700d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Gang a friend of mine, John Ames, got a hold of an original old style Stover cast iron coolant tank stand, here is some pictures of the stand in an old Stover Booklet: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverTankStand1.jpg John found a foundry that would make duplicate castings for him and he got five commitments from folks that wanted the castings. He pre-paid the foundry and now one of the five guys is stiffing him and decided he does not want his set of castings. I bought a set of the castings myself and they are nice. Here is what they look like: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildCD430.jpg http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildCS429.jpg John has $438.00 in the castings and only wants his money back from them. If anyone is interested in buying the set of castings before he list them on E-bay please contact John Ames at amesengine at sbcglobal.net Thanks, Paul From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 2 17:58:10 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:58:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs In-Reply-To: <45E8267F.4060704@imc-group.com> References: <200702261934390.SM00976@new.databak.co.za> <001e01c75aee$606f4650$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61> <00d401c75aef$b1769250$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <1172712723.45e62d13d00e8@webmail.city-net.com> <45E6339C.8010008@imc-group.com> <1172715348.45e6375439b60@webmail.city-net.com> <45E639A8.7060903@imc-group.com> <1172802473.45e78ba9a8d88@webmail.city-net.com> <45E8267F.4060704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1172887090.45e8d632a11c8@webmail.city-net.com> I don't know what to say here... The reports are flying in thick & fast from all corners of the Zolfo showgrounds.... Didja see Curt in drag? And the MASK??? We'll just have to wait for the pics to get posted.... See ya, Arnie Quoting Curt : > ??? wow you guys must have put quite a few back last night! > I am neither in drag nor at the Zolfo Springs show. Would sure enjoy > being so ... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > The hot rumor is that Curt is at Zolfo Springs in drag to hide his > > identity. Curt, We need to know the TRUTH!! How long have you been > > dressing in drag and does Missy know??? From oldengine at comcast.net Sat Mar 3 10:34:39 2007 From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:34:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel's Astral at Zolfo Message-ID: <000901c75dc2$9ad83e10$6501a8c0@cc2319892A> http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36048 -- Harry From mullt at att.net Sat Mar 3 11:16:21 2007 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 19:16:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Life's good Message-ID: <030320071916.7000.45E9C9850001CA3300001B5821602806519B04049A03@att.net> Jerry, Here in Missouri (USA) the temperature is just above freezing and we are having snow flurries. But I will certainly have one (at least) with you. (-; Tom in St. Louis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jerry Evans > Hi Guys, > Had a hard week. It's Friday evening 8.30 pm here. We are having a > drought and it has been dry and as hot as hell here but we had about half > an inch of rain between 5 and 6pm this evening and everything is a bit > cooler and the dust has settled. > I'm having a drink with the old Wolseley and Life is Good! Keep > well and have one with me. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 3 19:47:11 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:47:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question Message-ID: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Down at Zolfo Springs Dave and I were puzzling over the details of exactly how the vaporizer works on his 11 hp Austral oil engine. After a bit of RTFM, I think I have most of it sussed, but there's a couple of bits that just aren't clear. I wanted to take a wrench to it and have a look at the innards, but Dave was having none of that. So I'm forced to ask y'all for some help. Here's the engine in question... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Austral.jpg And here's a look at the vaporizer with the outer heat shield removed. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Vaporizer.jpg During the intake stroke, the timing valve is open to the combustion chamber, the vapor valve opens and a mix of atomized kero and air is drawn in from the mixer. The kero is vaporized and passes through the open timing valve where it enters the combustion chamber with the main air charge from the open intake valve. The timing valve closes. At a point into the compression stroke, the timing valve again opens allowing a compressed air - kero vapor mixture to enter the vaporizer and reach the hot ignitor coil, where it ignites. The timing valve remains open allowing the burning mixture to heat the vaporizer and the ignition coil during the power stroke. I think the reason that the initial air/kero draw doesn't ignite on the ignitor coil is that the mixture is way too rich. But it's equally possible that internal baffling and/or residual exhaust gasses around the ignitor coil help to prevent ignition until a suitable mixture gets compressed into the vaporizer. Finally, the shape of that vaporizer body looks like it ought to have something to do with the internal geometry. Can anyone shed more light on the internal geometry and functioning of that Austral vaporizer? It sure is one sweet running engine and it would be really great if Dave and I could do a better job of explaining just how it works. THANKS!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA (from warm & sunny Zolfo Springs) From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Mar 3 20:12:12 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:12:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> For a bit of help here is the sectioned hot-bulb off my Blackstone. They are identical in design to the Austral ones: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Folks, Down at Zolfo Springs Dave and I were puzzling over the details of exactly how the vaporizer works on his 11 hp Austral oil engine. After a bit of RTFM, I think I have most of it sussed, but there's a couple of bits that just aren't clear. I wanted to take a wrench to it and have a look at the innards, but Dave was having none of that. So I'm forced to ask y'all for some help. Here's the engine in question... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Austral.jpg And here's a look at the vaporizer with the outer heat shield removed. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Vaporizer.jpg During the intake stroke, the timing valve is open to the combustion chamber, the vapor valve opens and a mix of atomized kero and air is drawn in from the mixer. The kero is vaporized and passes through the open timing valve where it enters the combustion chamber with the main air charge from the open intake valve. The timing valve closes. At a point into the compression stroke, the timing valve again opens allowing a compressed air - kero vapor mixture to enter the vaporizer and reach the hot ignitor coil, where it ignites. The timing valve remains open allowing the burning mixture to heat the vaporizer and the ignition coil during the power stroke. I think the reason that the initial air/kero draw doesn't ignite on the ignitor coil is that the mixture is way too rich. But it's equally possible that internal baffling and/or residual exhaust gasses around the ignitor coil help to prevent ignition until a suitable mixture gets compressed into the vaporizer. Finally, the shape of that vaporizer body looks like it ought to have something to do with the internal geometry. Can anyone shed more light on the internal geometry and functioning of that Austral vaporizer? It sure is one sweet running engine and it would be really great if Dave and I could do a better job of explaining just how it works. THANKS!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA (from warm & sunny Zolfo Springs) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 3 21:30:51 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:30:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000b01c75e1e$46ac8650$d2db693a@fred> The timing valve only starts opening just before top dead centre same as Blackstones, on the compression stroke just before TDC.the timing valve is open only .004 (4 thou) this is how we set up our Blackstones and Australs.When the timing valve is open the compression forces the rich mixture onto the heat coil. this is the same principle as a hot tube ignition system. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > Hi Folks, > > Down at Zolfo Springs Dave and I were puzzling over the details of exactly > how > the vaporizer works on his 11 hp Austral oil engine. After a bit of RTFM, > I > think I have most of it sussed, but there's a couple of bits that just > aren't > clear. I wanted to take a wrench to it and have a look at the innards, > but > Dave was having none of that. So I'm forced to ask y'all for some help. > > Here's the engine in question... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Austral.jpg > > And here's a look at the vaporizer with the outer heat shield removed. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Vaporizer.jpg > > During the intake stroke, the timing valve is open to the combustion > chamber, > the vapor valve opens and a mix of atomized kero and air is drawn in from > the > mixer. The kero is vaporized and passes through the open timing valve > where it > enters the combustion chamber with the main air charge from the open > intake > valve. The timing valve closes. > > At a point into the compression stroke, the timing valve again opens > allowing a > compressed air - kero vapor mixture to enter the vaporizer and reach the > hot > ignitor coil, where it ignites. The timing valve remains open allowing > the > burning mixture to heat the vaporizer and the ignition coil during the > power > stroke. > > I think the reason that the initial air/kero draw doesn't ignite on the > ignitor > coil is that the mixture is way too rich. But it's equally possible that > internal baffling and/or residual exhaust gasses around the ignitor coil > help > to prevent ignition until a suitable mixture gets compressed into the > vaporizer. > > Finally, the shape of that vaporizer body looks like it ought to have > something > to do with the internal geometry. > > Can anyone shed more light on the internal geometry and functioning of > that > Austral vaporizer? It sure is one sweet running engine and it would be > really > great if Dave and I could do a better job of explaining just how it works. > > THANKS!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > (from warm & sunny Zolfo Springs) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.6/709 - Release Date: 3/03/2007 > 8:12 AM > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 3 22:00:31 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:00:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <000b01c75e1e$46ac8650$d2db693a@fred> References: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com> <000b01c75e1e$46ac8650$d2db693a@fred> Message-ID: <6322EE5D-AA83-45D2-AB39-1A498A663A1B@rustyiron.com> > this is the same principle as a hot tube ignition system. I beg to differ. Apples. Oranges. Couldn't be more different. From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Mar 5 05:15:59 2007 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:15:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel's Astral at Zolfo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What is the iron "box" on the back of the engine cart behind the water tank? > 1. Dave Rotigel's Astral at Zolfo (Harry) >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:34:39 -0500 >From: "Harry" >Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel's Astral at Zolfo >To: >Message-ID: <000901c75dc2$9ad83e10$6501a8c0 at cc2319892A> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 From oldengine at comcast.net Mon Mar 5 06:41:01 2007 From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:41:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel's Austral at Zolfo Message-ID: <000901c75f34$4bf00df0$6501a8c0@cc2319892A> Question: "What is the iron "box" on the back of the engine cart behind the water tank?" I believe it's the muffler. The exhaust is piped all the way back to it and then into the vertical water cooling tank. The cooling water then falls into the undercarriage water tank. Dave will certainly speak up if I have it wrong. Its exhaust is really quiet and a long day's work beside this engine would be quite tolerable compared to the bark that some engines emit. Here's a direct link into YouTube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xRv7GdWFSDQ -- Harry From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 5 07:50:31 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:50:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs another look Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/2007 9:12:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: ??? wow you guys must have put quite a few back last night! Zolfo from another perspective: Arnie had a good time Dave had a good time Tom and Millie had a good time Glenn had a good time Helen and George had a good time Arnie contacted some kind of black feet rot Dave's pop-up awning "supposedly" got blown over by the wind and totaled, but he might have happened to stumble into it one afternoon. Arnie likes his "coffee" in the mug even in the afternoon 90 deg heat. Carries his mug around all day looking at the engines. Must be from sitting in the nuclear office all day. I neved did see where he and Dave heated their coffee at the show. 816 miles door to door. Long ride! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 4 15:37:50 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:37:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com><000b01c75e1e$46ac8650$d2db693a@fred> <6322EE5D-AA83-45D2-AB39-1A498A663A1B@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <003001c75eb6$203c9ad0$d2db693a@fred> I should have ssaid a Similar principle!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > >> this is the same principle as a hot tube ignition system. > > > I beg to differ. > > Apples. > > Oranges. > > Couldn't be more different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release Date: 4/03/2007 > 1:58 PM > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Mar 5 12:30:32 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:30:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <003001c75eb6$203c9ad0$d2db693a@fred> References: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com><000b01c75e1e$46ac8650$d2db693a@fred> <6322EE5D-AA83-45D2-AB39-1A498A663A1B@rustyiron.com> <003001c75eb6$203c9ad0$d2db693a@fred> Message-ID: > I should have ssaid a Similar principle!! Jes tryin' to keep you honest there, mate! From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 5 13:01:34 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:01:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs another look In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45EC852E.3020703@imc-group.com> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > Zolfo from another perspective: > > Arnie had a good time > > Arnie contracted some kind of black feet rot > > Tom, What's Arnie doing "kicking it" with black feet? Does Nancy know of this? Curt :-) From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 5 13:12:45 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:12:45 EST Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs another look Message-ID: In a message dated 3/5/2007 4:02:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Arnie doing "kicking it" with black feet? Does Nancy know of this It was both feet, and not one foot. Wish I had a photo. I try to never cause marital problems. Tom


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 5 13:51:08 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:51:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs another look In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45EC90CC.1070408@imc-group.com> Tom, All week Arnie told of my being in drag at Zolfo......you think I'm gonna let this one slip by ;-) NOT Curt Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/5/2007 4:02:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > curt at imc-group.com writes: > > Arnie doing "kicking it" with black feet? Does Nancy know of this > > It was both feet, and not one foot. Wish I had a photo. I try to never cause > marital problems. > > Tom >


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AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 5 13:58:13 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:58:13 EST Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs another look Message-ID: In a message dated 3/5/2007 4:51:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: All week Arnie told of my being in drag at Zolfo...... Like I said, I do not like to cause marital problems, but the Curt in drag thing---time and photos will possibly tell one way or the other. Never under estimate the power of "schnapps all day coffee"! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Mar 5 16:09:25 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:09:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Starting of Austral .PDF Message-ID: <006001c75f83$b364ca30$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Not sure if this is the same as Dave's engine, but these are the instructions for starting my baby Austral 3hp and others. Print it out as the PDF reads backwards, this allows the pages to print back first so you can just staple them together. Not sure about mistakes in the OCR Scan, tell me if there is. Download is only 297Kb Peter, Oz http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/starting%201.pdf From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 6 11:11:51 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:11:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SAW TRANSPORTATION Message-ID: <002d01c76023$4c005300$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Gentlemen. I have a table saw on ebay that has 4 hours left and a potential buyer in OhiO needs transpsortation from here, Palm Bay, Bervard County FL. The auction number is 300059633740. I will store it for him, and mentioned the SEL as a potentially possible solution. Thanks. Skip Cleveland skipcleveland at bellsouth.net From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Mar 6 12:56:06 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:56:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse & Wolseley info needed please. Message-ID: <200703062309625.SM00376@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, I've been offered a Fairbanks Morse engine but all I have to go by is a picture of it. It is a restored engine described as a good runner. My knowledge of FM engines is minimal so would you experts please have a look at the pic and answer a few questions for me? I've put it here: There is also an interesting Wolseley WLB1 (I think) engine on the same page which should be interesting to the Brits and Aussies. It is probably about 1946 to 1949 vintage. If anyone can offer any info on this one it would also be appreciated. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 6 13:11:24 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:11:24 EST Subject: [SEL] SAW TRANSPORTATION Message-ID: Skip, If you could find Dave and Arnie they might be helpful, but I suspect they are on the beach somewhere and headed for Pittsburgh tomorrow I think. I just got back from there on Sunday. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 6 13:33:39 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:33:39 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse & Wolseley info needed please. Message-ID: Jerry, Not a Fairbanks expert, but owned a 1919 similar 6 hp. It is throttle governed. Guessing yours is a 3 hp, 1918-1923 era, but need to know what mag, and then may be newer. Appears to be a Bosh mag, but just a guess as not much seen in photos. The v grooves were probably machined in the flywheel sometime later and not original. Not original muffler system. Should be open crank. Not sure what is going on the top. It looks like a plate is bolted over the hopper opening. Note what appears to be 2 bolts near the front and 2 bolts near the rear of the hopper top. Oiler pipe should come out of hopper near the back of the hopper. Also the pipe coming across the top of hopper to the front is added. Wonder if someone covered the hopper opening, added the pipes and made some type of a closed thermosiponing cooling system? Not sure what 5 months of brandy/coke cost you but it may be too much. However, my 6hp was a nice runner and tinkering with it made it sound like hit/miss. Have some photos somewhere of it pulling a molasses mill for 2 days, kept at a rolling boil, and used one gallon water per hour. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Mar 6 15:17:37 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:17:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ballan 2007 and Canberra Show 2007 Message-ID: <009a01c76045$a10c5b60$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Just thought I would share photos of a couple of shows I have been to this year. The first is from the Ballan Vintage Machinery Rally and Tractor Pull of 18 February. Ballan is about 35 kilometers from Ballarat. The second group was from the Canberra Clubs display at this years Royal Canberra Show. Hope you enjoy. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/558036288SWbtdP http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/558034289IcPEwf I do have some video of the Rota Baler operating and as soon as I can download it I will pass it on. I will be going off list shortly as my wife and I are going to drive the long paddock to Darwin and can I ask Oz members if there is anything I should visit on the way. Our plan is to travel inland from Canberra to Brisbane then cross country to Dalby, Longreach, Mount Isa and so on. I have been to Jondaryan and I hope to take photos of the engines in Ilfracombe. Thanks Ron Canberra From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 6 16:45:09 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 19:45:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SAW TRANSPORTATION References: Message-ID: <004201c76051$db9d8720$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Thanks for the reply, Tom. It went to a gent in Ill. I had thought about them but it happened kinda fast. Thanks again. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SAW TRANSPORTATION > Skip, > > If you could find Dave and Arnie they might be helpful, but I suspect they > are on the beach somewhere and headed for Pittsburgh tomorrow I think. I > just > got back from there on Sunday. > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com >


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AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 > 9:41 AM > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Mar 7 04:31:06 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 23:31:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] NSW Foundries Message-ID: <003b01c760b4$7adc82c0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all One for the Aussies. Does anyone know a cast iron foundry closest to me in northern NSW, Grafton area, or southern QLD. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 7 05:08:47 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:08:47 EST Subject: [SEL] Ballan 2007 and Canberra Show 2007 Message-ID: Ron, Enjoyed looking at the show pictures. Any idea why they had the screen around the Austral with the hay baler? Has the list about died? Sure not many postings lately. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 7 07:23:05 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:23:05 EST Subject: [SEL] Show directory Message-ID: Just received my 2007 show directory complete with a map of the US that has red dots noting the location of the shows that took out ads in the directory. It does not have red dots for every show that is listed, only the ones with ads. The eastern side looks as though it has the measles! If it had dots for every show listed, you probably would not be able to tell which state was which. I wonder if anyone has added up the shows, many clubs having more than one show a year? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Mar 7 14:34:28 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:34:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ballan 2007 and Canberra Show 2007 References: Message-ID: <003201c76108$c4996b90$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Tom While it was at hot day the wind coming from the direction it was tended to cool the hot box and it would have been difficult to keep the motor running. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ballan 2007 and Canberra Show 2007 > Ron, > > Enjoyed looking at the show pictures. Any idea why they had the screen > around the Austral with the hay baler? > > Has the list about died? Sure not many postings lately. > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com >


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AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 7 16:57:47 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:57:47 EST Subject: [SEL] Ballan 2007 and Canberra Show 2007 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/7/2007 5:38:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, page at velocitynet.com.au writes: While it was at hot day the wind coming from the direction it was tended to cool the hot box Ron, Dave had his Austral hot box heated all day using propane which kept it pretty darn hot, even with the wind blowing hard enough one day to blow over his pop-up sun shade and total it. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Austral.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Austral.jpg) Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Mar 7 23:25:49 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:25:49 +0900 Subject: [SEL] 8HP IHC famous piston water pump Message-ID: <010801c76152$ff044170$210110ac@service> Hi guys, can anyone help with info and or diagrams on the internals of one of these pumps, i am trying to rebuild one at the moment, cheers Chester from West Aus From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 8 01:26:55 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:26:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Keeping Austral Warm Message-ID: <20070308092700.TFZG9628.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Here is a picture to show that even when new it was sometimes hard to keep the Austral warm even when working. This photo is from 1910! I like the tarp setup to keep the wind at bay. http://mview.museum.vic.gov.au/paimages/mm/000/000357.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Thu Mar 8 02:26:55 2007 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 19:26:55 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Dardanup heritage park, western australia Message-ID: <007901c7616c$4b657110$f301a8c0@armstrong> I displayed my Massey Harris engine & grister at the Dardanup Heritage Park display of Massey Harris engines, tractors & machinery, etc there was even some tangye engines on display about 15 of different hp from 3.5hp to 100hp http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/DARDANUP%20SHOW%20MARCH%202007.htm for a movie of the 100hp tangye operating try this http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/movies.htm Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 8 02:53:47 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 21:53:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Arnie/Dave. I will try and cover a few random things :) First, if you don't already have one I would recommend getting a copy of the Ronaldson-Tippett Engine Book (i.e. the Austral Manual). It is very, very detailed and will answer all of the questions on the engine. You can get it from: http://www.rallybadges.com.au/ (also Greg at Rallybadges is an Austral nut as well). The timing valve is not needed to run the engine it is only to prevent pre-ignition under load. I have happily run my engine with it locked open. The ignition coil(s) are also not 100% necessary although without it you would need to be pumping some serious heat into the engine to keep it running. My engine is running its original mild steel primary coil but I do not have a starting coil in the lower chamber. Some of the guys have been experimenting with various materials to try and stop the cooling off problem of an unloaded engine. Some have tried replacing the coil by filling the chamber with brass nuts. I am told this works but I have not tried it. The skill is to be able to slow the engine down to a nice speed & be able to keep it running without the lamp. There are few hit and miss engines can run as smoothly and quietly as an Austral (except maybe a Blackstone). Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 8 07:19:13 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:19:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Dardanup heritage park, western australia In-Reply-To: <007901c7616c$4b657110$f301a8c0@armstrong> References: <007901c7616c$4b657110$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <2860.165.206.180.53.1173367153.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> VERY nice photos. Thanks. Makes me itch for show season here.... (while you folks in Western Australia head for winter!) Bill > I displayed my Massey Harris engine & grister at the Dardanup Heritage > Park display of Massey Harris engines, tractors & machinery, etc > there was even some tangye engines on display about 15 of different hp > from 3.5hp to 100hp > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/DARDANUP%20SHOW%20MARCH%202007.htm > > for a movie of the 100hp tangye operating try this > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/movies.htm > > Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong > Collectors of old things > Perth > WA > Australia > Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member > V.C.C. of WA. member > k_armstrong at arach.net.au > www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Mar 8 10:42:18 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:42:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> On Mar 8, 2007, at 2:53 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > My engine is running its original mild steel primary coil but I do > not have a starting coil in the lower chamber. Some of the guys > have been > experimenting with various materials to try and stop the cooling > off problem > of an unloaded engine. Some have tried replacing the coil by > filling the > chamber with brass nuts. Ok Patrick. You opened the can of worms. I'm gonna fling 'em all over the place. It might take the PhD or the Nukular Scientist to clean up the mess. I contend that changing the material or the configuration of the material is utter bollocks. Consider the stock coil. When the engine fires, the coil TAKES heat from the fire depending on a heat-exchange coefficient. Then over the "miss" cycles, the coil gives up heat using the same coefficient. Eventually there is a compression stroke, and the coil will still be giving up heat using the same coefficient. The rate of heat exchange for a particular coil is dependent on the pressure in the coil case and composition of the gas in contact with the coil. These will be constant independent of the coil. If we change the composition of the coil or the surface area of the coil, we can affect the rate of heat exchange. BUT, if the coil TAKES heat more quickly, it will COOL OFF more quickly. Furthermore, the mass of the coil is what, three grams? The mass of the entire vaporizer is what, a couple kilos? The mass of the coil is miniscule compared to the entire mass of the vaporizer. The surface area of the coil compared to that of the entire vaporizer is equally miniscule. Futzing around with the coil is an exercise in futility. There you have it. The Emperor has no clothes. Rob All enraged Roo Eaters, please send your complaints to helen at insulate.co.uk From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Mar 8 11:20:39 2007 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:20:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] BYB Message-ID: <001201c761b6$ddf43620$3464a8c0@Eagle> Are the 2 volume set of Wendel's book still available as a set? Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 12:53:31 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:53:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have in my Blackstone engines Made a tube of perforated stainless open at both ends packed it tight with stainless swarf type shavings from a comercial scouring pad,and put it in the lower chamber. They both run very well for some hours. In my experiance most low compression lamp starts cool off. Thank goodness for Dr.Diesel John Palmer >From: Rob Skinner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >CC: Stationary Engine ATIS List >Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:42:18 -0800 > >On Mar 8, 2007, at 2:53 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > My engine is running its original mild steel primary coil but I do > > not have a starting coil in the lower chamber. Some of the guys > > have been > > experimenting with various materials to try and stop the cooling > > off problem > > of an unloaded engine. Some have tried replacing the coil by > > filling the > > chamber with brass nuts. > >Ok Patrick. You opened the can of worms. I'm gonna fling 'em all >over the place. It might take the PhD or the Nukular Scientist to >clean up the mess. > >I contend that changing the material or the configuration of the >material is utter bollocks. > >Consider the stock coil. When the engine fires, the coil TAKES heat >from the fire depending on a heat-exchange coefficient. Then over >the "miss" cycles, the coil gives up heat using the same >coefficient. Eventually there is a compression stroke, and the coil >will still be giving up heat using the same coefficient. The rate of >heat exchange for a particular coil is dependent on the pressure in >the coil case and composition of the gas in contact with the coil. >These will be constant independent of the coil. > >If we change the composition of the coil or the surface area of the >coil, we can affect the rate of heat exchange. BUT, if the coil >TAKES heat more quickly, it will COOL OFF more quickly. > >Furthermore, the mass of the coil is what, three grams? The mass of >the entire vaporizer is what, a couple kilos? The mass of the coil >is miniscule compared to the entire mass of the vaporizer. The >surface area of the coil compared to that of the entire vaporizer is >equally miniscule. Futzing around with the coil is an exercise in >futility. > >There you have it. The Emperor has no clothes. > >Rob >All enraged Roo Eaters, please send your complaints to >helen at insulate.co.uk > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 8 15:06:29 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:06:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <005501c761d6$68ab7070$61a1693a@fred> Re- satrting coils 4 of our 5 Blackstones all have perforated stainless steel coils in Both main & starting chambers some have a mixture of half mild steel and balance stainless steel in the starting coil, with no load and( at 180 RPM.)on a cool day and idling for a long time they may stop after 3 hours or if the air temperature goes down,2 Clutterbucks react the same, but our 3HP. Vertical has no Timing valve,no main coil and has 7- 5/16 steel nuts in the starting chamber and will idle all day with no load. When one of our engines stops at a rally it is good for the spectators to see the eng. and the procedure for re- starting and we now stop and start regularly during the show So the stopping problem is now part of our display. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Mar 8 23:35:55 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:35:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Dardanup heritage park, western australia References: <007901c7616c$4b657110$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <006001c7621d$9cea6890$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Sorry I missed it this year Kevin towards next years Brookton .In the mean time we have a few on down here Albany way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin armstrong" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:26 PM Subject: [SEL] Dardanup heritage park, western australia >I displayed my Massey Harris engine & grister at the Dardanup Heritage >Park display of Massey Harris engines, tractors & machinery, etc > there was even some tangye engines on display about 15 of different hp > from 3.5hp to 100hp > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/DARDANUP%20SHOW%20MARCH%202007.htm > > for a movie of the 100hp tangye operating try this > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/movies.htm > > Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong > Collectors of old things > Perth > WA > Australia > Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member > V.C.C. of WA. member > k_armstrong at arach.net.au > www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Mar 9 00:42:42 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:42:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <005501c761d6$68ab7070$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <00af01c76226$eb0633c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Hot tubes are something I have yet to experience .So I read with great interest all the previous comments. My engine did have the remains of two hot tubes ,one internal ,the other external. The remains of the internal seemed to comprise of a thin walled brass tube containing a rolled Asbestos type of material. This internal tube was screwed in horizontally to the combustion chamber. The external tube was roughly 12mm diam x100mm long ,with a 3mm hole bored up its length . This was screwed in a vertical position externally in the combustion chamber. For some reason it had a square point on it's end All a bit of a mystery! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > Re- satrting coils 4 of our 5 Blackstones all have perforated stainless > steel coils in Both main & starting chambers some have a mixture of half > mild steel and balance stainless steel in the starting coil, with no load > and( at 180 RPM.)on a cool day and idling for a long time they may stop > after 3 hours or if the air temperature goes down,2 Clutterbucks react the > same, but our 3HP. Vertical has no Timing valve,no main coil and has 7- > 5/16 > steel nuts in the starting chamber and will idle all day with no load. > When one of our engines stops at a rally it is good for the spectators to > see the eng. and the procedure for re- starting and we now stop and start > regularly during the show > So the stopping problem is now part of our display. > Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03) 97266147 > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Mar 9 02:49:33 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:49:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Users of Ebay info on display Message-ID: <003001c76238$9f878d60$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I did a Google search on my Ebay user name and others, very surprising what came up. It showed links to every technical site, forum, Harry's Web Site, Ebay listing, feedbacks, bid history, Skype calling ID's, etc etc etc for all to see. Try Googling anyones Ebay user ID I did hear on one of the Computer Tech Podcasts that I listen to from the USA, that rumours where that Google was secretly developing the worlds first artificial intelligence. Just think of how many search words and phrases are used via Google each day, they know how we think !!!!!!!! Oh well, I will just have another rum before I go to bed. Peter, Oz From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Mar 9 09:43:28 2007 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:43:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070309093955.04a453d0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi..... Yesterday a friend of mine showed me an engine that he would like to know who made it. It is hit and miss governed and spark plug ignited. The casting numbers end in the letter A with the head being 2A and the rocker arm 27A. See pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/vertical/ Thanks for any help in identifying it. Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From ddotto at cableone.net Fri Mar 9 11:18:31 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:18:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20070309093955.04a453d0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20070309093955.04a453d0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c7627f$b9a33cc0$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Jerry Well since on one else has chimed in; my vote is Root & Vandervort. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:43 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine > > Hi..... > > Yesterday a friend of mine showed me an engine that he would like to know > who made it. It is hit and miss governed and spark plug ignited. The > casting numbers end in the letter A with the head being 2A and the rocker > arm 27A. See pictures at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/vertical/ > > Thanks for any help in identifying it. > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Mar 9 13:38:28 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:38:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine In-Reply-To: <000101c7627f$b9a33cc0$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <786867.84396.qm@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Larry I second Dave's conclusion. The Gas Tank base screams R&V along with several other features on the engine. Several Rough R&V Verticals were sold at this auction last fall. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006Thanks.htm Steve --- Dave Otto wrote: Hi Jerry Well since on one else has chimed in; my vote is Root & Vandervort. Dave -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:43 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine Hi..... Yesterday a friend of mine showed me an engine that he would like to know who made it. It is hit and miss governed and spark plug ignited. The casting numbers end in the letter A with the head being 2A and the rocker arm 27A. See pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/vertical/ Thanks for any help in identifying it. Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 9 14:11:12 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:11:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine In-Reply-To: <786867.84396.qm@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <786867.84396.qm@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 45F1DB80.3060302@scrtc.com Steve, Some of those prices seem cheap. They must have had many problems (cracked hubs, cyl, etc.). I noticed the one shot of the repaired flywheel hub. I sure wouldn't have run that baby! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Larry > >I second Dave's conclusion. The Gas Tank base screams R&V along with >several other features on the engine. > >Several Rough R&V Verticals were sold at this auction last fall. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006Thanks.htm > > >Steve > > From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Fri Mar 9 15:06:29 2007 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:06:29 +0900 Subject: [SEL] DARDENUP HERITAGE PARK Message-ID: <00af01c7629f$92860fd0$f301a8c0@armstrong> Congratulations bill at antique-engines you are the winner of a free entry to the Dardanup Heritage Park, as you were the first person of only 2 people that took the time and effort to respond to my post. All you have to do is visit Perth Western Australia to be able to collect your prise. http://www.dardanupheritagepark.com.au Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Mar 9 15:10:22 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:10:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine References: <786867.84396.qm@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 45F1DB80.3060302@scrtc.com Message-ID: <002a01c762a0$1d8ae600$0601a8c0@altech> I withdraw my previous statement, it could be a VERY VERY early model R&V, an "A" series vertical, any idea what HP ??? I will ask a guy I know to clarify this, back in a day or so. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Steve, > Some of those prices seem cheap. They must have had many problems > (cracked hubs, cyl, etc.). I noticed the one shot of the repaired > flywheel hub. I sure wouldn't have run that baby! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > >>Larry >> >>I second Dave's conclusion. The Gas Tank base screams R&V along with >>several other features on the engine. >> >>Several Rough R&V Verticals were sold at this auction last fall. >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006Thanks.htm >> >> >>Steve >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Mar 9 15:14:29 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:14:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine In-Reply-To: <002a01c762a0$1d8ae600$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070309231426.GET27553.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Peter, I think you were right the first time. If it is a very early R&V it would not have a spark plug hole cast in the head. There are a few R&Vish things on the engine but quite a few things that are not. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I withdraw my previous statement, it could be a VERY VERY early model R&V, an "A" series vertical, any idea what HP ??? I will ask a guy I know to clarify this, back in a day or so. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Mar 9 15:19:37 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:19:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine References: <20070309231426.GET27553.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003c01c762a1$682e25e0$0601a8c0@altech> It looks like R&V and then again NOT, !!!!!!!!!! Mmmmmmmmmmm strange, the early "A" series vertical (pre 1903) still had an ignitor with the two horizontal bolt holes. I will ring my contact in the US in a couple of hours. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Hi Peter, > I think you were right the first time. > If it is a very early R&V it would not have a spark plug hole cast in the > head. > There are a few R&Vish things on the engine but quite a few things that > are > not. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > I withdraw my previous statement, it could be a VERY VERY early model R&V, > an "A" series vertical, any idea what HP ??? > I will ask a guy I know to clarify this, back in a day or so. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Mar 9 15:25:51 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:25:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine In-Reply-To: <003c01c762a1$682e25e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070309232547.QEFK14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> A closer look at the engine and pictures of R&V verticals that I have on file (and catalogues) reveal a lot of similarities. I have never come across one with a head cast for a spark plug but I would not put anything past R&V. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 9 22:07:17 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:07:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <00af01c76226$eb0633c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <005501c761d6$68ab7070$61a1693a@fred> <00af01c76226$eb0633c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <03390987-2293-4052-BE48-16D60D5F5277@rustyiron.com> Hi Peter, Is this the engine for which you were asking about a fuel supply back in January? I was hoping someone would reply on list, but never saw anything. How's it coming along? Rob On Mar 9, 2007, at 12:42 AM, peter ogborne wrote: > My engine did have the remains of two hot tubes ,one internal ,the > other > external. The remains of the internal seemed to comprise of a thin > walled > brass tube containing a rolled Asbestos type of material. This > internal tube > was screwed in horizontally to the combustion chamber. From nick at holden1.net Sat Mar 10 04:27:08 2007 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:27:08 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine References: <20070309232547.QEFK14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <45F2A41C.000003.02708@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Larry Its not the same but its close to a Fairbanks Morse Maybe a later model with spark plug See my photos Astle Park 2006 no 41 Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Patrick M Livingstone Date: 09/03/2007 23:27:31 To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: Re: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine A closer look at the engine and pictures of R&V verticals that I have on file (and catalogues) reveal a lot of similarities. I have never come across one with a head cast for a spark plug but I would not put anything past R&V. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.447 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/716 - Release Date: 09/03/2007 18:53 . From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 10 07:11:53 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:11:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Thanks for the Blackstone pic. As always, when one has to work from pictures, this raises a number of additional questions. Your Blackstone is a pretty awesome restoration project BTW!! 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/blackstonemain.html Can you talk me through the "and the magic happens here" bit with regard to that vaporizer? Even with the sectioned view its not absolutely clear how things flow. Let me describe what I think is happening and perhaps you can put me back on the rails when I run off? As you face the engine, the initial atomized air/kero mix enters the outer chamber from the left. When the vapor valve (located on the right side) is operated it allows transfer from the outer chamber to the inner central chamber. As we've discussed, that mix is too rich to ignite. The mix moves into the head via the timing valve, mixes with more air, and comes back into the vaporizer again on compression via the timing valve to be ignited. I think the ignition coil is in the main central chamber, correct? What is in that connected lower chamber (with the side rusted out)? http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/03091511.JPG On the Austral, the timing valve is located nearest to the head and is horizontal. The vapor valve comes in from the top and the air/kero gets sucked in from the side. Then there's what looks to be an upper and a lower chamber, each of which has some bits screwed in. Rob, which is the ignition coil case; upper or lower (upper I think)? And what's the other one? There's also a pair of plugs screwed in to the vaporizer; one in the "front" and one in the "rear top" above the timing valve. Any thoughts on those? Thanks!! See ya, Arnie On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > For a bit of help here is the sectioned hot-bulb off my Blackstone. They are > identical in design to the Austral ones: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG > > And here's a look at the vaporizer with the outer heat shield removed. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Vaporizer.jpg From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 10 13:41:14 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:41:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine References: <786867.84396.qm@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c7635c$d43e4420$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all At this point in time I am going to stick my neck out, I am saying R&V between <1903 and 1906, 1hp. I am wondering if the hole where the spark plug fits and ignitor should go, has not been ground back and filled, then plug fitted??? If the head was sand blasted it might reveal some modification. The casting numbers fit the R&V numbering pattern for 1hp engines, I have asked Larry to give me all the casting numbers to help identify it. Still waiting to hear from my US contact who has one of these. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 8 03:38:24 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:38:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dardanup heritage park, western australia References: <007901c7616c$4b657110$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <000601c76176$48ad7170$c4c3ecdc@morris> G'Day Kevin Thanks for the photos liked the Tangye engines but why is there is a large number of Tangye, are they plentiful in the west Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ skype ID: ozengine >I displayed my Massey Harris engine & grister at the Dardanup Heritage >Park display of Massey Harris engines, tractors & machinery, etc > there was even some tangye engines on display about 15 of different hp > from 3.5hp to 100hp > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/DARDANUP%20SHOW%20MARCH%202007.htm > > for a movie of the 100hp tangye operating try this > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/movies.htm > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Mar 10 18:15:00 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:15:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><005501c761d6$68ab7070$61a1693a@fred><00af01c76226$eb0633c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <03390987-2293-4052-BE48-16D60D5F5277@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <004701c76383$16aa17a0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Rob ........still working on it . Have managed to find a young guy ,lives not far from me who is a dead keen foundry man .He is building a beautiful furnace ,sump oil fired . I have been doing a bit of machining for him so he will cast my bearing caps . As for the fuel system ,Brian Watts another Australian who seems to know a bit about these type of engines has been sending me some info. I guess my engine is just one of the many out there that is of unknown make, still it makes it interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > Hi Peter, > Is this the engine for which you were asking about a fuel supply back > in January? I was hoping someone would reply on list, but never saw > anything. How's it coming along? > > Rob > > > On Mar 9, 2007, at 12:42 AM, peter ogborne wrote: >> My engine did have the remains of two hot tubes ,one internal ,the >> other >> external. The remains of the internal seemed to comprise of a thin >> walled >> brass tube containing a rolled Asbestos type of material. This >> internal tube >> was screwed in horizontally to the combustion chamber. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 10 21:05:22 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:05:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts Message-ID: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Gang what would be the proper amount of torque to apply to the head bolts on my 1905 5HP Vertical Stover. I know most everyone just tightens them until it feels right but I would like to torque them down before I try and start it. Thanks, Paul From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 10 21:40:16 2007 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:40:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts In-Reply-To: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <694432.34930.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul, Read this: http://www.zerofast.com/torque.htm It will tell you all you will need to know on the subject. The big thing is to tighten it evenly, in small, progressive amounts. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 10 22:19:19 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:19:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts References: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <029e01c763a5$36aa1ba0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Strip tight then back a flat. Never been known to fail! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts > Hey Gang what would be the proper amount of torque to apply to the head > bolts on my 1905 5HP Vertical Stover. I know most everyone just tightens > them until it feels right but I would like to torque them down before I > try and start it. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 10 22:32:49 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:32:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts References: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> <029e01c763a5$36aa1ba0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00df01c763a7$170859e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Please Interpret (decode) (simplify) your message Reg! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts > Strip tight then back a flat. Never been known to fail! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:05 PM > Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Mar 10 23:30:24 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:30:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts Message-ID: <20070310.233025.592.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Paul. What is the thread size? 1/2x13 try 45, 9/16x12 try 55, 5/8x11 try 85. This would work for grade 0,1,2. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:05:22 -0600 "Paul Maples" writes: > Hey Gang what would be the proper amount of torque to apply to the > head bolts on my 1905 5HP Vertical Stover. I know most everyone just > tightens them until it feels right but I would like to torque them > down before I try and start it. > > Thanks, > > Paul From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 11 00:12:25 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:12:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts In-Reply-To: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6f6025160703110012i4acf6dadn970229afde5659fe@mail.gmail.com> On 11/03/07, Paul Maples wrote: > Hey Gang what would be the proper amount of torque to apply to the head bolts on my 1905 5HP Vertical Stover. I know most everyone just tightens them until it feels right but I would like to torque them down before I try and start it. > > Thanks, > > Paul > Be careful using modern tables for early 1900's studs and nuts, the materials used then were NOT the same strength! Lister produced a table of torques for their earlier engines, and these are valid for almost anything built earlier than 1930. The table is reproduced on the end of the Lister Restoration and Rebuild article on our website: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Articles/rrchapt8.htm The top half of the table has values for Whitworth (Coarse) and BSF (Fine) threads which cover bolt/stud diameters up to 3/4" Whit and 5/8" BSF. Use whichever table is appropriate for the type of threads on your engine. Metric torque figures are also included for completeness and for those guys in Europe that don't have Foot Pounds on their torque wrenches. HTH Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 11 00:15:14 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:15:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Daylight Time Changes in the USA Message-ID: <6f6025160703110015n50c1d550h7d502675bc1a32d4@mail.gmail.com> Saw this on the BBC website this morning: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6438563.stm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 11 06:08:36 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:08:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts In-Reply-To: <00df01c763a7$170859e0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> <029e01c763a5$36aa1ba0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <00df01c763a7$170859e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070311080752.052abdc8@mail.alltel.net> Try to keep it clean Reg--remember this is a family list! Dave At 01:32 AM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >Please Interpret (decode) (simplify) your message Reg! > >Paul > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "R & M Ingold" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:19 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts > > > > Strip tight then back a flat. Never been known to fail! > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Maples" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:05 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 11 05:55:51 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:55:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch (OT) Message-ID: Glenn, Please contact me off-list. The several email addys I have for you are bouncing. Thanks. Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 11 08:22:55 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:22:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo Message-ID: Howdy all; Talked to a lady last night who's friend has a rolled up panoramic photo of a threshing crew. During the unroll, it cracked so she stopped. Now she'd like to know what could be done to get it unrolled and flat. As I've seen a couple of these old panoramic photo's, I would swag one foot by three foot. Anyone have any suggestions?? Regards, RickinMt. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 11 08:57:57 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:57:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts References: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> <6f6025160703110012i4acf6dadn970229afde5659fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701c763f6$0c53ed80$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Peter I will go and check this site out. Paul > On 11/03/07, Paul Maples wrote: >> Hey Gang what would be the proper amount of torque to apply to the head >> bolts on my 1905 5HP Vertical Stover. I know most everyone just tightens >> them until it feels right but I would like to torque them down before I >> try and start it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Paul >> > > Be careful using modern tables for early 1900's studs and nuts, the > materials used then were NOT the same strength! > > Lister produced a table of torques for their earlier engines, and > these are valid for almost anything built earlier than 1930. > > The table is reproduced on the end of the Lister Restoration and > Rebuild article on our website: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Articles/rrchapt8.htm > > The top half of the table has values for Whitworth (Coarse) and BSF > (Fine) threads which cover bolt/stud diameters up to 3/4" Whit and > 5/8" BSF. > > Use whichever table is appropriate for the type of threads on your engine. > > Metric torque figures are also included for completeness and for those > guys in Europe that don't have Foot Pounds on their torque wrenches. > > HTH > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Mar 11 09:09:30 2007 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don.) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:09:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo References: Message-ID: <000901c763f7$a6d13970$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498> In the process of makeing it .It went through several stages of printing solutions then it was hung to dry or they used a printing dryer which looks like two pices of shiny metal that the paper is streched on the inside of the unit is a heater. She might be able to just use a command clothes iron So I would just get it wet again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo > > Howdy all; > > Talked to a lady last night who's friend has a rolled up panoramic > photo of a threshing crew. During the unroll, it cracked so she stopped. > Now she'd like to know what could be done to get it unrolled and flat. > > As I've seen a couple of these old panoramic photo's, I would swag one > foot by three foot. > > Anyone have any suggestions?? > > Regards, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Mar 11 09:11:38 2007 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don.) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:11:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo References: Message-ID: <000c01c763f7$f2b86070$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498> Sorry I hit the enter key to fast.. then after its flatten out go to you local arts store and get a hung of foam board with the sticky back and put it on there to keep it flat then just frame it.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo > > Howdy all; > > Talked to a lady last night who's friend has a rolled up panoramic > photo of a threshing crew. During the unroll, it cracked so she stopped. > Now she'd like to know what could be done to get it unrolled and flat. > > As I've seen a couple of these old panoramic photo's, I would swag one > foot by three foot. > > Anyone have any suggestions?? > > Regards, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 10 22:31:23 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:31:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts References: <694432.34930.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d001c763a6$e4383bc0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Joe but I have no idea what grade these bolts are, they are 1/2" in diameter so I assume that they are 1-2 X 13 bolts but that is about all I know. The Stover literature I have just say's cylinder head stud and nut. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts > Paul, > Read this: > http://www.zerofast.com/torque.htm > It will tell you all you will need to know on the subject. The big thing > is to tighten it evenly, in small, progressive amounts. > Joe > > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 8 13:39:41 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:39:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> OK.So When I replaced my ign coil in my Austral to a 22g one from the original and it will now run all day without a lamp under it and before it wouldn't and all of us Ozies that do the same or use stainless steel mesh are having our selves on.I also did the same to my 8HP Blackstone and it also ran all day without external heat.Also try getting a piece of 22g steel and apply heat.Then get a piece of 8g steel and apply heat.See which gets hot faster.Also the Austral is generating heat all the time by compression and this aids in keeping the ign area hot on idle strokes.They don't decompress on idle strokes like a normal hit miss they do it by the fuel valve not opening and letting in fuel. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: Cc: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > On Mar 8, 2007, at 2:53 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> My engine is running its original mild steel primary coil but I do >> not have a starting coil in the lower chamber. Some of the guys >> have been >> experimenting with various materials to try and stop the cooling >> off problem >> of an unloaded engine. Some have tried replacing the coil by >> filling the >> chamber with brass nuts. > > Ok Patrick. You opened the can of worms. I'm gonna fling 'em all > over the place. It might take the PhD or the Nukular Scientist to > clean up the mess. > > I contend that changing the material or the configuration of the > material is utter bollocks. > > Consider the stock coil. When the engine fires, the coil TAKES heat > from the fire depending on a heat-exchange coefficient. Then over > the "miss" cycles, the coil gives up heat using the same > coefficient. Eventually there is a compression stroke, and the coil > will still be giving up heat using the same coefficient. The rate of > heat exchange for a particular coil is dependent on the pressure in > the coil case and composition of the gas in contact with the coil. > These will be constant independent of the coil. > > If we change the composition of the coil or the surface area of the > coil, we can affect the rate of heat exchange. BUT, if the coil > TAKES heat more quickly, it will COOL OFF more quickly. > > Furthermore, the mass of the coil is what, three grams? The mass of > the entire vaporizer is what, a couple kilos? The mass of the coil > is miniscule compared to the entire mass of the vaporizer. The > surface area of the coil compared to that of the entire vaporizer is > equally miniscule. Futzing around with the coil is an exercise in > futility. > > There you have it. The Emperor has no clothes. > > Rob > All enraged Roo Eaters, please send your complaints to > helen at insulate.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 11 13:42:34 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:42:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Daylight Time Changes in the USA In-Reply-To: <6f6025160703110015n50c1d550h7d502675bc1a32d4@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6f6025160703110015n50c1d550h7d502675bc1a32d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070311154200.052d4ba8@mail.alltel.net> At 03:15 AM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >Saw this on the BBC website this morning: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6438563.stm > >Peter Hi Peter, Why is this relevant to anything? Dave From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Mar 11 14:18:29 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:18:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo References: <000c01c763f7$f2b86070$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498> Message-ID: <000c01c76422$d0ba1470$0601a8c0@altech> I would be careful wetting it again, I know high humidity here makes photos roll up on their own. Maybe steaming it gently from the back??? Any damage could be scanned and then repaired and re-printed using say, Photoshop etc. Peter, Oz >> Howdy all; >> >> Talked to a lady last night who's friend has a rolled up panoramic >> photo of a threshing crew. During the unroll, it cracked so she stopped. >> Now she'd like to know what could be done to get it unrolled and flat. >> >> As I've seen a couple of these old panoramic photo's, I would swag one >> foot by three foot. >> >> Anyone have any suggestions?? >> >> Regards, >> RickinMt. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 11 13:27:54 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:27:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: G'day Edd, I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) If I'm understanding correctly, the main ignition coil goes in the center chamber and a starting coil goes into the lower chamber. Is that correct? When you are referring to 22g and 8g steel, I'm assuming that you're referring to sheet metal gage; i.e. 22ga = 0.031" thk and 8ga = 0.168" thk. Is that correct? Have you seen any significant difference between using ordinary carbon steel and stainless steel? When you refer to using stainless steel mesh, what are you using that for? And is it something like a chunk of pot scrubber? Would you share the "design" of your Austral ignition and starting coils? Overall dimensions, number of turns, etc. Are you using the stock coil housing? Thanks mate!! As it sits, Dave's 11 hp Austral will run for about 30 minutes when the lamp is turned off so I'm guessing that it wouldn't take much to improve things to "all day running." BTW, what hp is your Austral; 5 hp? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > OK.So When I replaced my ign coil in my Austral to a 22g one from the > original and it will now run all day without a lamp under it and before it > wouldn't and all of us Ozies that do the same or use stainless steel mesh > are having our selves on.I also did the same to my 8HP Blackstone and it > also ran all day without external heat.Also try getting a piece of 22g steel > and apply heat.Then get a piece of 8g steel and apply heat.See which gets > hot faster.Also the Austral is generating heat all the time by compression > and this aids in keeping the ign area hot on idle strokes.They don't > decompress on idle strokes like a normal hit miss they do it by the fuel > valve not opening and letting in fuel. From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 11 14:58:12 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:58:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <001a01c76428$5de819f0$3494ecdc@Edd> I was wondering if my reply would still be relevant,I posted it 3days ago and kept getting undeliverable messages.Now back to the question.Yes Arnie I am talking sheet steel and in the centre chamber.I have made my coil the same dimensions and # of coils as the original and used what material I had on hand which was a piece of galvanised tin .I did this several years ago and it is still working great.Several blokes I know use a local product called termimesh,This is a stainless steel mesh used under concrete house slabs to stop termites.Those that use it swear by it. Now here is a rundown of my starting /running procedure .Light up original 2 burner Austral lamp and heat vaporiser till kero flashes when a small amount is dropped on the hot surface .Then do the normal bounce start procedure.I have the water flow full open.When the water flows through the tower I shut it of completely until the cylinder is hot so you can just bear to lay your hand on it then just crack open the water enough to maintain this temperature.I leave the heating lamp on all this time or for at least 30min after start up.I then remove lamp and put in heat retaining slide where the lamp was and also the top cover or close the vent holes depending on model of engine.I also run the engine about 150rpm or a little faster till all this is achieved then slow it down to about 120rpm.This works great for me and a lot of it is getting used to your engine and what works best for you. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > G'day Edd, > > I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and > I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming > that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it > ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) > > If I'm understanding correctly, the main ignition coil goes in the center > chamber and a starting coil goes into the lower chamber. Is that correct? > > When you are referring to 22g and 8g steel, I'm assuming that you're > referring to sheet metal gage; i.e. 22ga = 0.031" thk and > 8ga = 0.168" thk. Is that correct? Have you seen any significant > difference between using ordinary carbon steel and stainless steel? > > When you refer to using stainless steel mesh, what are you using that for? > And is it something like a chunk of pot scrubber? > > Would you share the "design" of your Austral ignition and starting coils? > Overall dimensions, number of turns, etc. Are you using the stock coil > housing? > > Thanks mate!! As it sits, Dave's 11 hp Austral will run for about 30 > minutes when the lamp is turned off so I'm guessing that it wouldn't take > much to improve things to "all day running." > > BTW, what hp is your Austral; 5 hp? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA USA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > >> OK.So When I replaced my ign coil in my Austral to a 22g one from the >> original and it will now run all day without a lamp under it and before >> it >> wouldn't and all of us Ozies that do the same or use stainless steel mesh >> are having our selves on.I also did the same to my 8HP Blackstone and it >> also ran all day without external heat.Also try getting a piece of 22g >> steel >> and apply heat.Then get a piece of 8g steel and apply heat.See which gets >> hot faster.Also the Austral is generating heat all the time by >> compression >> and this aids in keeping the ign area hot on idle strokes.They don't >> decompress on idle strokes like a normal hit miss they do it by the fuel >> valve not opening and letting in fuel. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 11 15:02:23 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:02:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <001d01c76428$f32dc140$3494ecdc@Edd> Just a little more.My engine is a1916 5.5hp portable.Also the stainless mesh is rolled into a coil to about the same dimensions as the original and placed in the centre chamber and yes in the stock housing. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > G'day Edd, > > I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and > I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming > that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it > ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) > > If I'm understanding correctly, the main ignition coil goes in the center > chamber and a starting coil goes into the lower chamber. Is that correct? > > When you are referring to 22g and 8g steel, I'm assuming that you're > referring to sheet metal gage; i.e. 22ga = 0.031" thk and > 8ga = 0.168" thk. Is that correct? Have you seen any significant > difference between using ordinary carbon steel and stainless steel? > > When you refer to using stainless steel mesh, what are you using that for? > And is it something like a chunk of pot scrubber? > > Would you share the "design" of your Austral ignition and starting coils? > Overall dimensions, number of turns, etc. Are you using the stock coil > housing? > > Thanks mate!! As it sits, Dave's 11 hp Austral will run for about 30 > minutes when the lamp is turned off so I'm guessing that it wouldn't take > much to improve things to "all day running." > > BTW, what hp is your Austral; 5 hp? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA USA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > >> OK.So When I replaced my ign coil in my Austral to a 22g one from the >> original and it will now run all day without a lamp under it and before >> it >> wouldn't and all of us Ozies that do the same or use stainless steel mesh >> are having our selves on.I also did the same to my 8HP Blackstone and it >> also ran all day without external heat.Also try getting a piece of 22g >> steel >> and apply heat.Then get a piece of 8g steel and apply heat.See which gets >> hot faster.Also the Austral is generating heat all the time by >> compression >> and this aids in keeping the ign area hot on idle strokes.They don't >> decompress on idle strokes like a normal hit miss they do it by the fuel >> valve not opening and letting in fuel. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 11 14:13:58 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:13:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <001a01c76428$5de819f0$3494ecdc@Edd> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <001a01c76428$5de819f0$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: G'day Edd, Thanks!! That's pretty much how Dave & I start & run the engine. We're using a propane burner rather than one of the original lamps. I think we'll try running the cylinder a bit hotter as you describe. Are you doing anything by way of a starting coil in the lower chamber? BTW I might need to get one of these engines myself someday. They sure are sweet running crowd pleasers!! See ya, Arnie On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > I was wondering if my reply would still be relevant,I posted it 3days ago > and kept getting undeliverable messages.Now back to the question.Yes Arnie I > am talking sheet steel and in the centre chamber.I have made my coil the > same dimensions and # of coils as the original and used what material I had > on hand which was a piece of galvanised tin .I did this several years ago > and it is still working great.Several blokes I know use a local product > called termimesh,This is a stainless steel mesh used under concrete house > slabs to stop termites.Those that use it swear by it. > Now here is a rundown of my starting /running procedure .Light up original 2 > burner Austral lamp and heat vaporiser till kero flashes when a small amount > is dropped on the hot surface .Then do the normal bounce start procedure.I > have the water flow full open.When the water flows through the tower I shut > it of completely until the cylinder is hot so you can just bear to lay your > hand on it then just crack open the water enough to maintain this > temperature.I leave the heating lamp on all this time or for at least 30min > after start up.I then remove lamp and put in heat retaining slide where the > lamp was and also the top cover or close the vent holes depending on model > of engine.I also run the engine about 150rpm or a little faster till all > this is achieved then slow it down to about 120rpm.This works great for me > and a lot of it is getting used to your engine and what works best for you. From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 11 15:21:07 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:21:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd><001a01c76428$5de819f0$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <002601c7642b$91845a50$3494ecdc@Edd> Arnie.I have still got the original coil in the start chamber.Do you have a owners book for the engine.If you have it tells you some ways to keep engine hot on light loads.ie increase compression by adding various thickness plates at rod end,(increased compression generates more heat)Also advancing the timing valve to open earlier. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > G'day Edd, > > Thanks!! That's pretty much how Dave & I start & run the engine. We're > using a propane burner rather than one of the original lamps. I think > we'll try running the cylinder a bit hotter as you describe. > > Are you doing anything by way of a starting coil in the lower chamber? > > BTW I might need to get one of these engines myself someday. They sure > are sweet running crowd pleasers!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > >> I was wondering if my reply would still be relevant,I posted it 3days ago >> and kept getting undeliverable messages.Now back to the question.Yes >> Arnie I >> am talking sheet steel and in the centre chamber.I have made my coil the >> same dimensions and # of coils as the original and used what material I >> had >> on hand which was a piece of galvanised tin .I did this several years ago >> and it is still working great.Several blokes I know use a local product >> called termimesh,This is a stainless steel mesh used under concrete house >> slabs to stop termites.Those that use it swear by it. >> Now here is a rundown of my starting /running procedure .Light up >> original 2 >> burner Austral lamp and heat vaporiser till kero flashes when a small >> amount >> is dropped on the hot surface .Then do the normal bounce start >> procedure.I >> have the water flow full open.When the water flows through the tower I >> shut >> it of completely until the cylinder is hot so you can just bear to lay >> your >> hand on it then just crack open the water enough to maintain this >> temperature.I leave the heating lamp on all this time or for at least >> 30min >> after start up.I then remove lamp and put in heat retaining slide where >> the >> lamp was and also the top cover or close the vent holes depending on >> model >> of engine.I also run the engine about 150rpm or a little faster till all >> this is achieved then slow it down to about 120rpm.This works great for >> me >> and a lot of it is getting used to your engine and what works best for >> you. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Ratzandcatz at aol.com Sun Mar 11 17:12:47 2007 From: Ratzandcatz at aol.com (Ratzandcatz at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:12:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo Message-ID: I would contact a local photographer and ask their advice before doing anything as extreme as applying water to it myself. Wetting it could cause irreparable damage. Good luck, and if you get it unrolled, maybe you can get it scanned and post a link to it for us. Mell Ratman


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 11 18:08:31 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:08:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> Futher Mucker! I pay BIG BUCKS for an engine that runs GREAT and my best mate wants to take the damn thing apart to see why! Dave PS, Note to self, In the next life DO NOT choose an engineer as your best mate! At 03:27 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >G'day Edd, > >I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and >I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming >that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it >ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 11 18:19:31 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:19:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000a01c76444$7d91f660$3494ecdc@Edd> C'mon Dave where's your sense of adventure.Go get a carton of beer and by the time your finished them you won't even care. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > Futher Mucker! I pay BIG BUCKS for an engine that runs GREAT and my best > mate wants to take the damn thing apart to see why! > Dave > PS, Note to self, In the next life DO NOT choose an engineer as your best > mate! > > At 03:27 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >>G'day Edd, >> >>I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and >>I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming >>that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it >>ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 11 19:07:37 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:07:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Note to Arnie. In next life, Do NOT choose a whinging old Perfesser as a mate!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > Futher Mucker! I pay BIG BUCKS for an engine that runs GREAT and my best > mate wants to take the damn thing apart to see why! > Dave > PS, Note to self, In the next life DO NOT choose an engineer as your best > mate! > > At 03:27 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >>G'day Edd, >> >>I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and >>I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming >>that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it >>ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Sun Mar 11 20:01:13 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <306213.12303.qm@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick I wouldn't apply any fluid to it personally. My grandmother located a very old photo of her family when her father had purchased his first Model T. The photo was extremely damaged. It was folded up into a tight ball. It was taken to a local photo professional to be restored. ~$100 later, They had a nice useable photo. At time it was also reproduced into larger size to be put in a frame in the house. The photo would best served to be taken to a professional and have it done properly than risk damaging it further. Steve --- Richard Strobel wrote: Howdy all; Talked to a lady last night who's friend has a rolled up panoramic photo of a threshing crew. During the unroll, it cracked so she topped. Now she'd like to know what could be done to get it unrolled and flat. As I've seen a couple of these old panoramic photo's, I would swag one foot by three foot. Anyone have any suggestions?? Regards, RickinMt. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 10 20:11:50 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:11:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002801c76393$65ec5d40$61a1693a@fred> The way we set the timing vale is as stated in the Blackstone instruction instruction book,on the compression stroke with the crankshaft at 25 degrees bofore top dead centre the timing valve should be open .004 (4 thou) ,a bigger gap will gause the fuel vapor to ignite early and cause pre. ign. smaller gap will retard and cause eng. to stop. With crack in the lower ign. chamber we just cut the lower chanber of and make a new chamber out of cast iron bar and weld it to the hot bulb, this system has been used for the last 20 years and work well, no failures yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "'Old_Engine'" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > G'day Patrick, > > Thanks for the Blackstone pic. As always, when one has to work from > pictures, this raises a number of additional questions. > > Your Blackstone is a pretty awesome restoration project BTW!! 8-)) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/blackstonemain.html > > Can you talk me through the "and the magic happens here" bit with regard > to that vaporizer? Even with the sectioned view its not absolutely clear > how things flow. Let me describe what I think is happening and perhaps > you can put me back on the rails when I run off? > > As you face the engine, the initial atomized air/kero mix enters the outer > chamber from the left. When the vapor valve (located on the right side) > is operated it allows transfer from the outer chamber to the inner > central chamber. As we've discussed, that mix is too rich to ignite. The > mix moves into the head via the timing valve, mixes with more air, and > comes back into the vaporizer again on compression via the timing valve to > be ignited. > > I think the ignition coil is in the main central chamber, correct? What > is in that connected lower chamber (with the side rusted out)? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/03091511.JPG > > On the Austral, the timing valve is located nearest to the head and is > horizontal. The vapor valve comes in from the top and the air/kero gets > sucked in from the side. Then there's what looks to be an upper and a > lower chamber, each of which has some bits screwed in. Rob, which is the > ignition coil case; upper or lower (upper I think)? And what's the other > one? There's also a pair of plugs screwed in to the vaporizer; one in > the "front" and one in the "rear top" above the timing valve. Any > thoughts on those? > > Thanks!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> For a bit of help here is the sectioned hot-bulb off my Blackstone. They >> are >> identical in design to the Austral ones: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG >> >> And here's a look at the vaporizer with the outer heat shield removed. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Vaporizer.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 10/03/2007 > 2:25 PM > > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 12 05:40:55 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:40:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/2007 9:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: DO NOT choose an engineer as your best mate Especially one that walks around all day in 90 deg weather drinking out of a coffee mug! 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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 11 18:36:00 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:36:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003b01c76446$ca721170$240110ac@FAMILY> Come On Dave, Let Ole Arnie tear into it, he might can engineer it to run on nuclear fuel and then you can order some from Iran. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > Futher Mucker! I pay BIG BUCKS for an engine that runs GREAT and my best > mate wants to take the damn thing apart to see why! > Dave > PS, Note to self, In the next life DO NOT choose an engineer as your best > mate! > > At 03:27 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >>G'day Edd, >> >>I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and >>I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming >> From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 12 07:44:28 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:44:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <002601c7642b$91845a50$3494ecdc@Edd> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd><001a01c76428$5de819f0$3494ecdc@Edd> <002601c7642b$91845a50$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: G'day Edd, Yep, we've got a nice copy of the manual. VERY good info in there. The engine does have both (1/2" & 1/4") of the thickness plates installed at the rod end. Do you hapen to know what the starting coil looks like? Also would you happen to know the dimensions of the original ignition coil? It would be interesting to compare the "original" dimensions to what's in there now. Plus it would give me some more leverage with Dave to take wrenches to HIS engine. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > Arnie.I have still got the original coil in the start chamber.Do you have a > owners book for the engine.If you have it tells you some ways to keep engine > hot on light loads.ie increase compression by adding various thickness > plates at rod end,(increased compression generates more heat)Also advancing > the timing valve to open earlier. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 12 06:54:29 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:54:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] DARDENUP HERITAGE PARK In-Reply-To: <00af01c7629f$92860fd0$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: Kevin, I looked at and enjoyed your photos. I didn't respond though. I wouldn't worry about it. I have posted pictures from shows many times and don't get a response. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. I just assume that my pics are viewed and enjoyed. After all we're all gear heads and enjoy looking at any engines and mechanical stuff. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "kevin armstrong" > >as you were the first person of only 2 people that took the time and effort >to respond to my post. All you have to do is visit Perth Western Australia >to be able to collect your prise. > >Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong >Collectors of old things >Perth >WA >Australia >Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member >V.C.C. of WA. member >k_armstrong at arach.net.au >www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 12 09:13:37 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:13:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: G'day Reg, No worries mate, Dave's a goodun. And as long as he puts a slab of stubbies on ice and keeps his ass in the chair while I wrench on HIS Austral, everything will be fine. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > Note to Arnie. In next life, > Do NOT choose a whinging old Perfesser as a mate!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > > > Futher Mucker! I pay BIG BUCKS for an engine that runs GREAT and my best > > mate wants to take the damn thing apart to see why! > > Dave > > PS, Note to self, In the next life DO NOT choose an engineer as your best > > mate! > > > > At 03:27 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: > >>G'day Edd, > >> > >>I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and > >>I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming > >>that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it > >>ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 12 09:23:29 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:23:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> Ya know, I think Dave has good reason to worry. Lets look at the track record of enkineer v. perfessor...... -How many shows did the Bessemer get dragged to at which it did not run a lick? -After Craig worked his magic, how many more shows did the Bessemer get dragged to where is did not run?, or sporadically ran? -How many engine men darned near gave their lives ( or at least wore their arses slap out) giving a hand with getting Bessie to run? -And how about that cart failure a few years ago? OTOH, there is perfessor Dave. -Other than a dead battery I don't think I've ever seen one of Dave's engines NOT running! (other than the Maytag) -His engines run like Singer sewing machines. Never a skip, double suck, burp.....just chuff, chuff, chuff all day long. -Dave starts his own engines. Effortlessly I might add! -We've never seen a transport failure under one of Dave's engines. Given all the evidence I'd say Dave has good reason to worry about Arnie approaching his Austral with a set of King Dicks. Yeah Dave, you can take Arnie's suggestion of keeping your arse in a chair, but do so with a long switch in your hand, and swat him if even so much as casts a lustful mechanic's eye toward your running engine! Curt H Arnie Fero wrote: > G'day Reg, > > No worries mate, Dave's a goodun. And as long as he puts a slab of > stubbies on ice and keeps his ass in the chair while I wrench on HIS > Austral, everything will be fine. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > >>> Futher Mucker! I pay BIG BUCKS for an engine that runs GREAT and my best >>> mate wants to take the damn thing apart to see why! >>> Dave >>> PS, Note to self, In the next life DO NOT choose an engineer as your best >>> mate! >>> >>> From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 12 10:45:54 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:45:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> Message-ID: ROFLMAO!! Picky, picky, picky.... One minor Strength of Materials glitch and one show at which Bessie was dismantled with cylinder and piston handed off to Craig and folks NEVER forget. As to keeping a long switch in his hand, I dare say Dave reserves THAT behavior for Bambi & Nitro. If he spots me headed for the Austral with wrenches in hand I'd expect to see the .357 wheelgun being drawn. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Curt wrote: > Ya know, I think Dave has good reason to worry. Lets look at the track > record of enkineer v. perfessor...... > > -How many shows did the Bessemer get dragged to at which it did not run > a lick? > -After Craig worked his magic, how many more shows did the Bessemer get > dragged to where is did not run?, or sporadically ran? > -How many engine men darned near gave their lives ( or at least wore > their arses slap out) giving a hand with getting Bessie to run? > -And how about that cart failure a few years ago? > > OTOH, there is perfessor Dave. > -Other than a dead battery I don't think I've ever seen one of Dave's > engines NOT running! (other than the Maytag) > -His engines run like Singer sewing machines. Never a skip, double suck, > burp.....just chuff, chuff, chuff all day long. > -Dave starts his own engines. Effortlessly I might add! > -We've never seen a transport failure under one of Dave's engines. > > Given all the evidence I'd say Dave has good reason to worry about Arnie > approaching his Austral with a set of King Dicks. > Yeah Dave, you can take Arnie's suggestion of keeping your arse in a > chair, but do so with a long switch in your hand, and swat him if even > so much as casts a lustful mechanic's eye toward your running engine! > Curt H From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 12 10:19:25 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:19:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Alec Stevens Message-ID: <45F58B9D.3090601@imc-group.com> Alec, Your addy is bouncing. Can you contact me please. Curt Holland From shop at cccomm.net Mon Mar 12 11:03:32 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:03:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb References: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002801c76393$65ec5d40$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <00a601c764d0$c0652de0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Where do I find information such as a serial number list for an International Harvester 1 hp Tom Thumb? Thanks Dave From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Mar 12 11:38:12 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:38:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb Message-ID: <380-220073112183812601@coastalnet.com> Dave, Here is a IHC serial number list: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ Several 1HP engines listed here: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-5-a.jpg Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Dave Ernst > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/12/2007 2:05:46 PM > Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb > > Where do I find information such as a serial number list for an > International Harvester 1 hp Tom Thumb? > > Thanks > Dave From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 12 14:00:37 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:00:37 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb References: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002801c76393$65ec5d40$61a1693a@fred> <00a601c764d0$c0652de0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <000901c764e9$834fef80$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb > Where do I find information such as a serial number list for an > International Harvester 1 hp Tom Thumb? > Thanks > Dave Hi Dave, of the 100+ engines I have owned in the last 30 years the IHC "Tom Thumb" is the engine I most regret selling when my wife's failing health caused me to sell most engines to pay for foreign holidays while we still could travel. My engine came from Denmark where it had been converted to an air pump but I found most of the removed bits were still stored. I restored it well & ran it for years. The main problem I had was the sleeve on the governor that wore out every 2 years & had to be remade twice. See http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/26047737QuuZsbPbbw?start=36 There is a picture of my engine & a drawing of a Tom Thumb with part numbers. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 12 14:26:31 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:26:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb References: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002801c76393$65ec5d40$61a1693a@fred><00a601c764d0$c0652de0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <000901c764e9$834fef80$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <00bd01c764ed$2670ec70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Wendell's handbook had engine number/year info in it. I dated my Tom Thumb from it. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 12 14:44:28 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:44:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:24:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Given all the evidence I'd say Dave has good reason to worry about Arnie approaching his Austral with a set of King Dicks Yes, and now "black feet rot" on top of that!! Sure wish I had a photo of them! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 12 14:55:06 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:55:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 5:02:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: I restored it well Yes indeed, you sure did a nice job Dave! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Mar 12 16:03:22 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:03:22 +0800 Subject: [SEL] DARDENUP HERITAGE PARK References: <00af01c7629f$92860fd0$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <003f01c764fa$a5b14bd0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Sorry to see that your generosity does not extend to offering consolation prizes ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin armstrong" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 7:06 AM Subject: [SEL] DARDENUP HERITAGE PARK > > Congratulations bill at antique-engines you are the winner of a free entry to > the Dardanup Heritage Park, as you were the first person of only 2 people > that took the time and effort to respond to my post. All you have to do is > visit Perth Western Australia to be able to collect your prise. > > http://www.dardanupheritagepark.com.au > > Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong > Collectors of old things > Perth > WA > Australia > Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member > V.C.C. of WA. member > k_armstrong at arach.net.au > www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Mar 12 15:10:11 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:10:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another sad day Message-ID: <000801c764f3$348f8540$6500a8c0@home> Hi all; Kenny Johnson passed away this morning , His cancer was more widespread than originally thought , he will be missed , One of you from Texas wrote and called him an woodwork artist and he was tickled and wanted to show me the letter but I didn't get to see it.. I wish to thank all the list for their prayers and especially you whom sent cards and letters to him , your cards and letters brightened his last days and he wanted to show them all to me but didn't get the chance , his last words were he will be with his Son whom got killed at age 14 due to getting hit by a snowmobile . Thanks again Rex Hinz From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 12 15:11:50 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:11:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: Message-ID: <002201c764f3$7097de20$3494ecdc@Edd> Come on you blokes.If you are going to talk about Australs use the correct terminology.You would only use OZ made Sidchrome SPANNERS!Australs being a mans engine would avoid King dicks. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:24:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > curt at imc-group.com writes: > > Given all the evidence I'd say Dave has good reason to worry about Arnie > approaching his Austral with a set of King Dicks > > Yes, and now "black feet rot" on top of that!! Sure wish I had a photo of > them! > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com >


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AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 12 16:45:36 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:45:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <002201c764f3$7097de20$3494ecdc@Edd> References: <002201c764f3$7097de20$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: Gee, I dunno Edd, I'm kinda partial to the universal nut rounders myself. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280089394946 See ya, Arnie PS - Looking forward to hearing the Brits defend their King Dicks as not being the tools of girley-men. 8-)) On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > Come on you blokes.If you are going to talk about Australs use the correct > terminology. You would only use OZ made Sidchrome SPANNERS! Australs > being a mans engine would avoid King dicks. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Mar 12 16:59:37 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:59:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> > > OTOH, there is perfessor Dave. > -Other than a dead battery I don't think I've ever seen one of Dave's > engines NOT running! (other than the Maytag) > -His engines run like Singer sewing machines. Never a skip, double > suck, > burp.....just chuff, chuff, chuff all day long. > -Dave starts his own engines. Effortlessly I might add! > -We've never seen a transport failure under one of Dave's engines. Ok Curt, What shows have YOU been to? 1. Nine horse Galloway -- Engine won't run for lack of fuel. 2. Sixteen horse Galloway -- Shown for a whole season in a static state for lack of a head gasket. 3. Domestic -- Has to have GIRLS show him how to start it. I could continue, but it only gets more embarrassing. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 12 17:48:44 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:48:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> Hi Rob, >Ok Curt, >What shows have YOU been to? > >1. Nine horse Galloway -- Engine won't run for lack of fuel That was a 12 HP Hercules that I left in the care of you and Kelley. After YOU ran it out of gas it was Kelley who had to determine what the problem was and add gasoline to the tank! >2. Sixteen horse Galloway -- Shown for a whole season in a static >state for lack of a head gasket. Two shows--and at each show a new gasket was fabricated and the engine ran like a CHAMP! >3. Domestic -- Has to have GIRLS show him how to start it. Having GIRLS push my button is somewhat of a turn-on. Sorry your interests are across the street! >I could continue, but it only gets more embarrassing. That's OK, give it your BEST! Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 12 18:31:13 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:31:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd><6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net><03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com><6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <005301c7650f$4c21d930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> >>3. Domestic -- Has to have GIRLS show him how to start it. > > Having GIRLS push my button is somewhat of a turn-on. Sorry your interests > are across the street! > Har har har!! Not too many will get this bit!!! Ya dont miss a trick, do ya? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Mar 12 20:33:15 2007 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:33:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] V12 Message-ID: <000901c76520$56499450$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> finally got some pictures of the V12 posted,, heres the link if anyone's interested,,, http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/ bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer. From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Mar 12 20:50:59 2007 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:50:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] V12 Message-ID: Hi Bill B. I enjoyed the pictures, I was at the Brinkley Ark. show Sat. and had my SEL nametag on but didn't see any other SEL members, I wish I could have met you, Paul Maples was supposed to be there but something came up and he couldn't make it, I hope he sees this link to your pictures, for he has me under house arrest for not sending him any pictures of the show, I am getting in bad shape, with this anvil chained to my leg I can't even go to the bath room Ha Ha. Have a good one, Bill Miller Memphis, TN.


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 12 20:53:10 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:53:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] V12 In-Reply-To: <000901c76520$56499450$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> References: <000901c76520$56499450$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> Message-ID: <517f9a87d251d14a7ce94975bec36e23@chartertn.net> Man, I like that! The valve covers remind me of the Chevy 348/409 V8. John On Mar 12, 2007, at 11:33 PM, Bill Boyce wrote: > finally got some pictures of the V12 posted,, heres the link if > anyone's > interested,,, > http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/ John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Mar 12 21:11:15 2007 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:11:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] V12 References: Message-ID: <000a01c76525$a55b7c20$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> bill,, sorry i missed meeting you also,, did you have engines on display? i always enjoy Lonnies show, glad the weather cooperated this year,, look me up down the trail one of these days,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. > > I enjoyed the pictures, I was at the Brinkley Ark. show Sat. and had my > SEL > nametag on but didn't see any other SEL members, I wish I could have met > you, > Paul Maples was supposed to be there but something came up and he couldn't > make it, I hope he sees this link to your pictures, for he has me under > house > arrest for not sending him any pictures of the show, I am getting in bad > shape, with this anvil chained to my leg I can't even go to the bath room > Ha Ha. > > Have a good one, > > Bill Miller From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 13 05:58:23 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:58:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote: > >1. Nine horse Galloway -- Engine won't run for lack of fuel > > That was a 12 HP Hercules that I left in the care of you and Kelley. After > YOU ran it out of gas it was Kelley who had to determine what the problem > was and add gasoline to the tank! Hmmmm, wasn't the gasoline added to the tank AFTER a complete rally field re-build of the Webster ignitor AND the Herc fuel pump? ISTR the Dynamic Duo kept a large crowd at Coolspring entertained for hours with the "repairs" before they added the gas. 8-)) Hmmmm, actually that gives me an idea for tearing into the Austral... 8->> See ya, Arnie From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 12 16:57:43 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:57:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another sad day References: <000801c764f3$348f8540$6500a8c0@home> Message-ID: <007501c76502$3a0e63b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Rex we are all saddened at the passing of Kenny, the Lord must have wanted Kenny more than we did and He took him to be with Him in Heaven and I know that Angels in Heaven are rejoicing at his arrival. Please pass my condolences to the family and I will keep them in my prayers. Thanks Rex for letting us know. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Another sad day > Hi all; > > Kenny Johnson passed away this morning , His cancer was more > widespread than originally thought , he will be missed , One of you from > Texas wrote and called him an woodwork artist and he was tickled and > wanted to show me the letter but I didn't get to see it.. > I wish to thank all the list for their prayers and especially you whom > sent cards and letters to him , your cards and letters brightened his last > days and he wanted to show them all to me but didn't get the chance , his > last words were he will be with his Son whom got killed at age 14 due to > getting hit by a snowmobile . > Thanks again > > Rex Hinz > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 13 08:34:19 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:34:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070313103056.04c09268@mail.alltel.net> At 07:58 AM 3/13/2007, you wrote: >Hi Dave, >On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >1. Nine horse Galloway -- Engine won't run for lack of fuel > > That was a 12 HP Hercules that I left in the care of you and Kelley. After > > YOU ran it out of gas it was Kelley who had to determine what the problem > > was and add gasoline to the tank! >Hmmmm, wasn't the gasoline added to the tank AFTER a complete rally field >re-build of the Webster ignitor AND the Herc fuel pump? ISTR the Dynamic >Duo kept a large crowd at Coolspring entertained for hours with the >"repairs" before they added the gas. 8-)) >Hmmmm, actually that gives me an idea for tearing into the Austral... >8->> >See ya, Arnie Absolutely Spot On Arnie! And it was Rob who did the field re-build before Kelley had an opportunity to suggest that they should check to see if there was gasoline in the tank! Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 13 07:56:36 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:56:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070313103056.04c09268@mail.alltel.net> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20070313103056.04c09268@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: The sad part here, is that our very own government can't pay our professors of multiculturalism enough that they can afford the gasoline to run their engines at shows. So who was it that finally made the good head gasket to get your engine running? Wasn't it that kid who set up his Briggs & Stratton collection next to you at Sistersville? Rob From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 13 16:36:09 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:36:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another New Toy Message-ID: <000a01c765c8$61cb81a0$61a1693a@fred> Another engine arrived in our shed last night, we have been waiting nearly a year for this one, it is a 3Hp. Clutterbuck (Blackstone Copy) hot bulb ,lamp start and it is complete,it was late arriving so I only have one photo as yet. can be seen on webshots as below.Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 13 18:01:12 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:01:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <005301c7650f$4c21d930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> <005301c7650f$4c21d930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070313195835.04e80170@mail.alltel.net> At 08:31 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote: > >>3. Domestic -- Has to have GIRLS show him how to start it. > > Having GIRLS push my button is somewhat of a turn-on. Sorry your interests > > are across the street! >Har har har!! Not too many will get this bit!!! >Ya dont miss a trick, do ya? >Reg & Marg Ingold. Hi Reg, Rob is a good mate and I would NOT insult him in that way if I thought that lots of people would understand what I was talking about! Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 13 18:13:48 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:13:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd><6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net><03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com><6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net><005301c7650f$4c21d930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.1.2.0.0.20070313195835.04e80170@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00b501c765d6$07230210$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> No need for explanations mate. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > At 08:31 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote: >> >>3. Domestic -- Has to have GIRLS show him how to start it. >> > Having GIRLS push my button is somewhat of a turn-on. Sorry your >> > interests >> > are across the street! >>Har har har!! Not too many will get this bit!!! >>Ya dont miss a trick, do ya? >>Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Hi Reg, Rob is a good mate and I would NOT insult him in that way if I > thought that lots of people would understand what I was talking about! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 13 22:07:49 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:07:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another New Toy Message-ID: <00a301c765f6$b6ac16c0$61a1693a@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Another New Toy Another engine arrived in our shed last night, we have been waiting nearly a year for this one, it is a 3Hp. Clutterbuck (Blackstone Copy) hot bulb ,lamp start and it is complete,it was late arriving so I only have one photo as yet. can be seen on webshots as below.Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 13 22:11:27 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:11:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Another New Toy Message-ID: <001b01c765f7$389031d0$61a1693a@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: Brian Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Fw: Another New Toy ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Another New Toy Another engine arrived in our shed last night, we have been waiting nearly a year for this one, it is a 3Hp. Clutterbuck (Blackstone Copy) hot bulb ,lamp start and it is complete,it was late arriving so I only have one photo as yet. can be seen on webshots as below.Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Mar 14 04:12:45 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:12:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT Message-ID: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I thought the prices some of us pay for engines was crazy, I guess it is supply and demand. My Dad collects and restores old valve (tube) radios, but this made him wish he had a couple sitting around spare. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330094895110&rd=1&rd=1 Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 14 06:34:14 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:34:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Another New Toy References: <9CC71D80-7BA0-475D-829E-57840473E38C@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Good on ya, Brian! She's a sweet hunk of iron. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Mar 13, 2007, at 10:07 PM, Brian Watts wrote: > Another engine arrived in our shed last night, we have been waiting > nearly a year for this one, it is a 3Hp. Clutterbuck (Blackstone > Copy) hot bulb ,lamp start and it is complete,it was late arriving > so I only have one photo as yet. can be seen on webshots as > below.Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03) 97266147 > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > briwatt at optusnet.com.au From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 14 06:39:20 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:39:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> RE: Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070314133924.LMLB20050.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> HI Arnie, I will try and answer the questions that have not already been answered I the ones I have a good answer to. The upper chamber houses the primary coil and the lower one has the starting coil. I think the hot-bulb on Dave's engine is a later style one with provision for a spark-plug which would explain the plug above the timing valve. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 14 06:43:32 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:43:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> New Crossley OO Videos Message-ID: <20070314134345.KYGG14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> We rolled my mate's Crossley OO out of the shed for its first run in the fresh air on the weekend. I took a couple of short videos of the lovely engine running: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031131.AVI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031132.AVI A couple of stills of the engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031149.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031133.JPG Enjoy! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Mar 14 07:42:26 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:42:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT In-Reply-To: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070314093719.02f14710@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Peter, In this particular case its not the tube portion as much as it is the case. The case of the radio makes all the difference here. The style and type of material its made of and condition is the reason for the season. What a radio! TTYL, Mark At 06:12 AM 3/14/07, you wrote: >Hi all >I thought the prices some of us pay for engines was crazy, I guess it is >supply and demand. My Dad collects and restores old valve (tube) radios, but >this made him wish he had a couple sitting around spare. > >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330094895110&rd=1&rd=1 > > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 14 10:00:25 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:00:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Ahhhh, spark plug!! I hadn't thought of that possibility. The manual does refer to both hot bulb and mag equipped engines. One more thing to occupy my idle, wrench-filled hands at the next rally. 8-)) Thanks mate!! See ya, Arnie On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I will try and answer the questions that have not already been > answered I the ones I have a good answer to. > The upper chamber houses the primary coil and the lower one has the starting > coil. I think the hot-bulb on Dave's engine is a later style one with > provision for a spark-plug which would explain the plug above the timing > valve. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 14 10:12:14 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:12:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT In-Reply-To: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: WOW!! I've a nifty old floor console short wave / AM/FM tube type radio out in the shed that was working the last time I plugged it in. Not quite as pretty as that one, but still pretty good looking. Methinks I should get an appraisal. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > I thought the prices some of us pay for engines was crazy, I guess it is > supply and demand. My Dad collects and restores old valve (tube) radios, but > this made him wish he had a couple sitting around spare. > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330094895110&rd=1&rd=1 From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 14 09:38:55 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:38:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> New Crossley OO Videos Message-ID: In a message dated 3/14/2007 9:44:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: Patrick, What a great engine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Mar 14 14:15:26 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:15:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT References: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> <6.2.1.2.1.20070314093719.02f14710@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000d01c7667d$e3300a30$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Mark Yes I know, the green bakelite is sort after, then the actual model rareness. My Dad has some very rare radios as well, so do I. http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jimlowe/jim's%20radios.htm this is only a fraction of what he has. Peter, Oz > Hi Peter, > In this particular case its not the tube portion as much as it is the > case. > The case of the radio makes all the difference here. The style and type of > material its made of and condition is the reason for the season. > What a radio! TTYL, Mark > > At 06:12 AM 3/14/07, you wrote: >>Hi all >>I thought the prices some of us pay for engines was crazy, I guess it is >>supply and demand. My Dad collects and restores old valve (tube) radios, >>but >>this made him wish he had a couple sitting around spare. >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330094895110&rd=1&rd=1 >> >> >>Regards >>Peter Lowe >>R&V Engine Registrar >>Australia >>Ph: 61-266453455 >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > Phone > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if > possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 14 15:47:13 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:47:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT References: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech><6.2.1.2.1.20070314093719.02f14710@pop3.wcoil.com> <000d01c7667d$e3300a30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <00a801c7668a$b58a7ae0$240110ac@FAMILY> Wow Peter, your Dad has a nice collection and I loved the website. Thanks for making it available to us. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT > Hi Mark > Yes I know, the green bakelite is sort after, then the actual model > rareness. > My Dad has some very rare radios as well, so do I. > http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jimlowe/jim's%20radios.htm this is only a > fraction of what he has. > > Peter, Oz > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 14 18:30:36 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:30:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover Message-ID: <00f701c766a1$890989e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Gang I have a friend who is restoring an air cooled DVA twin cylinder Stover. Does anyone have any information on this engine they could share with me so I can send it to my friend? Thanks, Paul From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 14 20:17:38 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:17:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] a fellow needs assistance with an engine - ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: <00a801c7668a$b58a7ae0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000001c766b0$7e896800$0100a8c0@l2800> Please contact this fellow directly, tell 'em Bill sent ya if you can help. -------------------------- Here is his engine: http://antique-engines.com/images/IMG_0012.JPG --------------------------- Here is his request: Do you know of people with info on Fuller Johnson engines? My engine needs a fuel tank and gas feed line and check valve. If it is primed it will run. Thanks, Rick --------------------------- Here is his email addy: RRHOLDAWAY at aol.com --------------------------- Should be straight-forward, he needs a tank-maker and to know who, such as Starbolt, etc. might have the line and check valve. My info is buried under tons of TAX papers now................ Thanks for helping a fellow engine nut. Bill Runnells, Iowa From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Mar 14 20:57:33 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:57:33 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> New Crossley OO Videos References: <20070314134345.KYGG14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <010d01c766b6$11a3b190$210110ac@service> Hi Patrick, nice engine, what does he use as a finish on it, is it just oil?, i am restoring a 8hp famous at the moment and have decided not to paint it, so am looking for ideas on finish, i was thinking of using a product called Breakaway which is a oil based rust breaker & preventor, cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:43 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> New Crossley OO Videos > We rolled my mate's Crossley OO out of the shed for its first run in the > fresh air on the weekend. I took a couple of short videos of the lovely > engine running: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031131.AVI > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031132.AVI > > A couple of stills of the engine: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031149.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031133.JPG > > Enjoy! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Mar 15 02:27:09 2007 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:27:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT In-Reply-To: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <45F9116D.10508@wightman.ca> Hi Peter, My Dad collects old radios as well. Probably has about 50 from the 1920's etc along with some gramaphones. I will have to show him this. Duncan Peter Lowe wrote: >Hi all >I thought the prices some of us pay for engines was crazy, I guess it is >supply and demand. My Dad collects and restores old valve (tube) radios, but >this made him wish he had a couple sitting around spare. > >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330094895110&rd=1&rd=1 > > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 15 04:06:43 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:06:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Crossley OO Videos In-Reply-To: <010d01c766b6$11a3b190$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <20070315110651.WJYX3580.oaamta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I don't think he used straight oil I think it was some kinds of rust preventative. I will check what it is on the weekend. I personally would have preferred to see the engine nicely painted but it would have been a big job after all the mechanical work done on this engine. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, nice engine, what does he use as a finish on it, is it just oil?, i am restoring a 8hp famous at the moment and have decided not to paint it, so am looking for ideas on finish, i was thinking of using a product called Breakaway which is a oil based rust breaker & preventor, cheers, Chester. From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Mar 15 04:37:09 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:37:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover Message-ID: <031520071137.13809.45F92FE50004D96E000035F1219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Paul there should be some info in that last manual I sent you.........If not let me know the full model number and serial. Curt > Hey Gang I have a friend who is restoring an air cooled DVA twin cylinder > Stover. Does anyone have any information on this engine they could share with me > so I can send it to my friend? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 13 22:00:21 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:00:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <006001c765f5$ac2ef560$61a1693a@fred> test From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Mar 15 05:03:27 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:03:27 +0900 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <006001c765f5$ac2ef560$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <5pqpku$ef47g@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony11.iinet.net.au> Just arrived in Perth Brian 9.00 pm Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2007 2:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] test test _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 15 05:08:31 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:08:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another New Toy In-Reply-To: <000a01c765c8$61cb81a0$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <20070315120838.ULIZ19608.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> That is a nice, sensible, sized engine. A good find. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Another engine arrived in our shed last night, we have been waiting nearly a year for this one, it is a 3Hp. Clutterbuck (Blackstone Copy) hot bulb ,lamp start and it is complete,it was late arriving so I only have one photo as yet. can be seen on webshots as below.Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 15 05:20:08 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:20:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover References: <031520071137.13809.45F92FE50004D96E000035F1219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003701c766fc$45f081d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Curt there was a little info in it and I copied just the one page and sent it to him. I will get the model number and serial number for you. Thanks for the help. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover > Hey Paul there should be some info in that last manual I sent > you.........If > not let me know the full model number and serial. > Curt > > >> Hey Gang I have a friend who is restoring an air cooled DVA twin cylinder >> Stover. Does anyone have any information on this engine they could share >> with me >> so I can send it to my friend? >> >> Thanks, From svsuzanne at earthlink.net Thu Mar 15 05:51:29 2007 From: svsuzanne at earthlink.net (DAN RICHARDSON) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:51:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <380-220073415125129909@earthlink.net> OK here 0850 CDT > [Original Message] > From: Brian Watts > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/15/2007 7:59:34 AM > Subject: [SEL] test > > test > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: 3/14/2007 3:38 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 15 07:28:44 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:28:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum Message-ID: Hi Folks, If you're into jigsaw puzzles, here's a nifty one that's engine related and on-line so that you can indulge your passions AND goof-off at work!! (See Geoff's email below) While you're there, surf through the excellent Anson Museum website. And, if you're suitably impressed with the good work that they're doing there, consider becoming a Friend of the Anson or making whatever contribution you can afford. http://www.enginemuseum.org/ And, obviously, if you happen to be visiting Merry Old England, DEFINITELY make plans to visit the Anson Museum. You won't be disappointed. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Challinor [mailto:geoff at enginemuseum.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 5:00 PM To: Geoff Challinor Subject: build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum We have had several people ask us if they could have another link to the jigsaw we sent out last year - so, here it is along with some helpful hints for you to use. The record for assembly to date is 4 minutes 29 seconds for this 50 piece puzzle. Let us know if you manage to beat that time. Keep checking our on-line shop for other engine related jigsaws (some with 260 pieces!). Regards Geoff http://www.enginemuseum.org/news.html Some tips on using your jigsaw: When you open the jigsaw all the pieces are the right way up. That is, a piece with a straight edge at the top will go on the top etc. If you want to make the jigsaw harder you can rotate the pieces. To do this press Ctrl-P or use the Options - Preferences Menu, in the General Options Box tick Allow Piece Rotation. Warning, this will reset your jigsaw i.e. scramble all the pieces. So do this before you start to do the jigsaw. Double Clicking, or click once then press the Space Bar, on a piece will rotate it 90 degrees. Holding the Ctrl Key while clicking the pieces will select several pieces at once. Useful for moving all the Sky pieces to the top etc. The status bar shows you the time you have spent on the jigsaw, how many pieces in the jigsaw, how many are left and the percentage completed. You can Reset or Pause the clock from the Clock menu. By far the most popular option, turn the piece bevelling off - this greatly improves the quality of the image you are building. Do this by choosing Preferences from the Options Menu and un-ticking the Bevel the puzzle piece edges box. Some other useful keyboard Shortcuts Ctrl-F Show Preview Window You can get a preview picture of the finished jigsaw. Can also find this by using Options Ctrl-C Change background Colour You can change the screen background colour, or via Options Ctrl-A Auto-Arrange the Pieces Ctrl-S Save Your Position You don't have to complete the jigsaw in one session. You can Save and Load positions from the File menu. You also get asked if you would like to save your position when you close the program, as above. Ctrl-L Load a Previously saved Position Ctrl-R Reset the Jigsaw (start again) Ctrl-P Show Preferences Box Geoff Challinor Chairman Anson Road Poynton Cheshire SK12 1TD geoff at enginemuseum.org www.enginemuseum.org Registered Charity (No518587), governed by The Anson Museum Trust Ltd,Registered in England (No 210169). Supported by the IMechE and IDGTE. Member of Association of Independent Museums, the Peaks and Plains of Cheshire and Visit Chester and Cheshire. From driggars at wildblue.net Thu Mar 15 06:41:01 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:41:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <006001c765f5$ac2ef560$61a1693a@fred> References: <006001c765f5$ac2ef560$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <45F94CED.5040600@wildblue.net> Load and clear here in North Texas Clint Brian Watts wrote: > test > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rwenig at telus.net Thu Mar 15 10:18:30 2007 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:18:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F97FE6.5090302@telus.net> Hello Arnie, Thanks for the tip. I just spent a few hours browsing that likn and links to other sites. I and four friends are planning a trip to England to attend the Dorcet Fair. Any other hints will be appreciated. We will be in England from Aug. 23 to Sept 22nd. Rupert Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > If you're into jigsaw puzzles, here's a nifty one that's engine related > and on-line so that you can indulge your passions AND goof-off at work!! > (See Geoff's email below) > > While you're there, surf through the excellent Anson Museum website. > And, if you're suitably impressed with the good work that they're doing > there, consider becoming a Friend of the Anson or making whatever > contribution you can afford. http://www.enginemuseum.org/ > > And, obviously, if you happen to be visiting Merry Old England, DEFINITELY > make plans to visit the Anson Museum. You won't be disappointed. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Challinor [mailto:geoff at enginemuseum.org] > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 5:00 PM > To: Geoff Challinor > Subject: build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum > > We have had several people ask us if they could have another link to the > jigsaw we sent out last year - so, here it is along with some helpful hints > for you to use. The record for assembly to date is 4 minutes 29 seconds for > this 50 piece puzzle. Let us know if you manage to beat that time. > > Keep checking our on-line shop for other engine related jigsaws (some with > 260 pieces!). > > Regards > > Geoff > > http://www.enginemuseum.org/news.html > > > Some tips on using your jigsaw: > > > When you open the jigsaw all the pieces are the right way up. That is, a > piece with a straight edge at the top will go on the top etc. > > If you want to make the jigsaw harder you can rotate the pieces. To do this > press Ctrl-P or use the Options - Preferences Menu, in the General Options > Box tick Allow Piece Rotation. Warning, this will reset your jigsaw i.e. > scramble all the pieces. So do this before you start to do the jigsaw. > > Double Clicking, or click once then press the Space Bar, on a piece will > rotate it 90 degrees. > > Holding the Ctrl Key while clicking the pieces will select several pieces at > once. Useful for moving all the Sky pieces to the top etc. > > The status bar shows you the time you have spent on the jigsaw, how many > pieces in the jigsaw, how many are left and the percentage completed. You > can Reset or Pause the clock from the Clock menu. > > By far the most popular option, turn the piece bevelling off - this greatly > improves the quality of the image you are building. Do this by choosing > Preferences from the Options Menu and un-ticking the Bevel the puzzle piece > edges box. > > Some other useful keyboard Shortcuts > Ctrl-F Show Preview Window > You can get a preview picture of the finished jigsaw. Can also find > this by using Options > Ctrl-C Change background Colour > You can change the screen background colour, or via Options > Ctrl-A Auto-Arrange the Pieces > Ctrl-S Save Your Position > You don't have to complete the jigsaw in one session. You can Save and Load > positions from the File menu. > You also get asked if you would like to save your position when you close > the program, as above. > Ctrl-L Load a Previously saved Position > Ctrl-R Reset the Jigsaw (start again) > Ctrl-P Show Preferences Box > > > Geoff Challinor > Chairman > > Anson Road > Poynton > Cheshire > SK12 1TD > > geoff at enginemuseum.org > www.enginemuseum.org > > Registered Charity (No518587), governed by The Anson Museum Trust > Ltd,Registered in England (No 210169). Supported by the IMechE and IDGTE. > Member of Association of Independent Museums, the Peaks and Plains of > Cheshire and Visit Chester and Cheshire. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From rwenig at telus.net Thu Mar 15 10:18:42 2007 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:18:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F97FF2.5000408@telus.net> Hello Arnie, Thanks for the tip. I just spent a few hours browsing that link and links to other sites. I and four friends are planning a trip to England to attend the Dorcet Fair. Any other hints will be appreciated. We will be in England from Aug. 23 to Sept 22nd. Rupert Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > If you're into jigsaw puzzles, here's a nifty one that's engine related > and on-line so that you can indulge your passions AND goof-off at work!! > (See Geoff's email below) > > While you're there, surf through the excellent Anson Museum website. > And, if you're suitably impressed with the good work that they're doing > there, consider becoming a Friend of the Anson or making whatever > contribution you can afford. http://www.enginemuseum.org/ > > And, obviously, if you happen to be visiting Merry Old England, DEFINITELY > make plans to visit the Anson Museum. You won't be disappointed. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Challinor [mailto:geoff at enginemuseum.org] > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 5:00 PM > To: Geoff Challinor > Subject: build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum > > We have had several people ask us if they could have another link to the > jigsaw we sent out last year - so, here it is along with some helpful hints > for you to use. The record for assembly to date is 4 minutes 29 seconds for > this 50 piece puzzle. Let us know if you manage to beat that time. > > Keep checking our on-line shop for other engine related jigsaws (some with > 260 pieces!). > > Regards > > Geoff > > http://www.enginemuseum.org/news.html > > > Some tips on using your jigsaw: > > > When you open the jigsaw all the pieces are the right way up. That is, a > piece with a straight edge at the top will go on the top etc. > > If you want to make the jigsaw harder you can rotate the pieces. To do this > press Ctrl-P or use the Options - Preferences Menu, in the General Options > Box tick Allow Piece Rotation. Warning, this will reset your jigsaw i.e. > scramble all the pieces. So do this before you start to do the jigsaw. > > Double Clicking, or click once then press the Space Bar, on a piece will > rotate it 90 degrees. > > Holding the Ctrl Key while clicking the pieces will select several pieces at > once. Useful for moving all the Sky pieces to the top etc. > > The status bar shows you the time you have spent on the jigsaw, how many > pieces in the jigsaw, how many are left and the percentage completed. You > can Reset or Pause the clock from the Clock menu. > > By far the most popular option, turn the piece bevelling off - this greatly > improves the quality of the image you are building. Do this by choosing > Preferences from the Options Menu and un-ticking the Bevel the puzzle piece > edges box. > > Some other useful keyboard Shortcuts > Ctrl-F Show Preview Window > You can get a preview picture of the finished jigsaw. Can also find > this by using Options > Ctrl-C Change background Colour > You can change the screen background colour, or via Options > Ctrl-A Auto-Arrange the Pieces > Ctrl-S Save Your Position > You don't have to complete the jigsaw in one session. You can Save and Load > positions from the File menu. > You also get asked if you would like to save your position when you close > the program, as above. > Ctrl-L Load a Previously saved Position > Ctrl-R Reset the Jigsaw (start again) > Ctrl-P Show Preferences Box > > > Geoff Challinor > Chairman > > Anson Road > Poynton > Cheshire > SK12 1TD > > geoff at enginemuseum.org > www.enginemuseum.org > > Registered Charity (No518587), governed by The Anson Museum Trust > Ltd,Registered in England (No 210169). Supported by the IMechE and IDGTE. > Member of Association of Independent Museums, the Peaks and Plains of > Cheshire and Visit Chester and Cheshire. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From edurand at iglou.com Thu Mar 15 11:39:39 2007 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:39:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] V12 In-Reply-To: <000901c76520$56499450$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> Message-ID: Bill: Isn't that engine an offshoot of the V-6 GM truck engines of the early sixties? Somewhere in the murky past, I recall hearing that they were going to make V-12 versions of that engine using a lot of the V-6 parts. Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Bill Boyce > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:33 PM > To: stationary engine list > Subject: [SEL] V12 > > > finally got some pictures of the V12 posted,, > heres the link if anyone's > interested,,, > http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/ > > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > > Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at iglou.com Thu Mar 15 11:43:38 2007 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:43:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover In-Reply-To: <00f701c766a1$890989e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Paul: Check here. The DV-2 may be similar, except water cooled. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/stoverdv2/stoverdv2.html Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 08:31 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover > > > Hey Gang I have a friend who is restoring an air > cooled DVA twin cylinder Stover. Does anyone have > any information on this engine they could share > with me so I can send it to my friend? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Mar 15 10:44:57 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:44:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] V12 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/2007 10:39:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, edurand at iglou.com writes: Isn't that engine an offshoot of the V-6 GM truck engines of the early sixties? Somewhere in the murky past, I recall hearing that they were going to make V-12 versions of that engine using a lot of the V-6 parts. This is the same engine being used in the Minuteman missile transporter. Yes, the USAF decided to use a gasoline engine with a manual transmission for this purpose. Gas mileage for this rig is about 4-5 mpg. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 13 22:12:47 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:12:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <002801c765f7$684665c0$61a1693a@fred> test From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 13 22:05:26 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:05:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Another New Toy Message-ID: <008101c765f6$61d8d930$61a1693a@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: Brian Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Fw: Another New Toy ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Another New Toy Another engine arrived in our shed last night, we have been waiting nearly a year for this one, it is a 3Hp. Clutterbuck (Blackstone Copy) hot bulb ,lamp start and it is complete,it was late arriving so I only have one photo as yet. can be seen on webshots as below.Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 12/03/2007 7:19 PM From nick at holden1.net Thu Mar 15 11:45:19 2007 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:45:19 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] test References: <002801c765f7$684665c0$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <45F9943F.000001.02976@YOUR-447023AE6B> Ok here At 18.44 Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Brian Watts Date: 15/03/2007 18:23:39 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] test test _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.448 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 15/03/2007 11:27 . From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 15 12:10:52 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <380-220073415125129909@earthlink.net> References: <380-220073415125129909@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3806.165.206.180.53.1173985852.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Sorry, haven't seen any messages with test in the subject... Let me know if you don't get this. Bill > OK here 0850 CDT > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Brian Watts >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 3/15/2007 7:59:34 AM >> Subject: [SEL] test >> >> test >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: > 3/14/2007 3:38 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 15 13:33:11 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:33:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum In-Reply-To: <45F97FE6.5090302@telus.net> References: <45F97FE6.5090302@telus.net> Message-ID: Hi Rupert, Damn, you are gonna have so much fun!! One of the events I need to do one day is to attend the Great Dorset Steam Fair. http://www.gdsf.co.uk/ When you're there make sure that you catch one or more of Dr. Busker's performances in the beer tent. http://www.doctorbusker.com/welcome.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Busker I've done a lot on a number of trips to England. Maybe you can get some ideas from these writeups... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm In addition to visiting the Anson, try and get up to the Internal Fire museum. DEFINITELY worth the trip. http://www.internalfire.com/ ENJOY!! See ya, Arnie On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello Arnie, > Thanks for the tip. I just spent a few hours browsing that likn and > links to other sites. I and four friends are planning a trip to England > to attend the Dorcet Fair. Any other hints will be appreciated. We will > be in England from Aug. 23 to Sept 22nd. > > Rupert From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 13:58:15 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:58:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Davey Paxman 6RW diesel available FOC Message-ID: <6f6025160703151358p26920715u900680f3e82f23b6@mail.gmail.com> We have been contacted regarding a free Davey Paxman 6RW diesel, Serial No. 900042/7 made in 1958, was running quite recently and is at a university in the north of England. It has a generator with it, condition unknown. We have acquired a small Ruston & Hornsby 4RYDA air-cooled lump for ourselves, but the Paxman is a bit more than we can handle or store! I have suggested that one of the museums might be interested, I know that Paul was looking for something for Internal Fire but have not had any contact with him for some time. We understand that no money is required, just collection and transportation off site, I believe loading facilities are available, but have asked for that to be confirmed. Serious enquiries to us in the first instance, we will pass on details. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Mar 15 13:58:59 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:58:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] V12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F9B393.40109@telenet.net> Yes it is. I know of a couple OLD LW model road tractors that have the V12 in them. They are known as the Twin Six 702 CID engine. http://www.6066gmcguy.org/TwinSix.htm Elden DuRand wrote: > Bill: > > Isn't that engine an offshoot of the V-6 GM truck engines of the early sixties? Somewhere in the murky past, I recall hearing that they were going to make V-12 versions of that engine using a lot of the V-6 parts. > > Take care - Elden DuRand > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Bill Boyce >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:33 PM >> To: stationary engine list >> Subject: [SEL] V12 >> >> >> finally got some pictures of the V12 posted,, >> heres the link if anyone's >> interested,,, >> http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/ >> >> bill boyce >> lost prairie, arkansas >> >> Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Mar 15 15:35:48 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:35:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <006001c765f5$ac2ef560$61a1693a@fred> References: <006001c765f5$ac2ef560$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <20070315223553.DBFD22283C2@md5.pennswoods.net> You passed Brian At 04:00 PM 3/14/2007 +1100, you wrote: >test >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 15 15:53:40 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:53:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover References: Message-ID: <00f401c76754$c6c12910$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Elden, this was an interesting site and I sent it to my friend, I am sure he will be able to extract some valuable information from it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover > Paul: > > Check here. The DV-2 may be similar, except water cooled. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/stoverdv2/stoverdv2.html > > Take care - Elden DuRand > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > From dleis at centurytel.net Thu Mar 15 16:24:43 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:24:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] passing of an engine buddy Message-ID: <000c01c76759$1cf4bd20$0601a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi Everyone I don't know if any of you know Lloyd pearsall but he passed away yesterday. He was a life time member of the Badger steam & gas engine club. He will be missed Stacy From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 15 16:33:37 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:33:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] passing of an engine buddy References: <000c01c76759$1cf4bd20$0601a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <015b01c7675a$5b818180$240110ac@FAMILY> Wow!, another one of our family gone. I am so sorry to hear this Stacy, I did not know Lloyd but it makes no difference, he was part of our vast engine family and he will be missed by all those who knew and loved him. Please give my condolences to the family. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacy Leis" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: [SEL] passing of an engine buddy > Hi Everyone > > > I don't know if any of you know Lloyd pearsall but he passed away > yesterday. He was a life time member of the Badger steam & gas engine > club. He will be missed > > > Stacy > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Thu Mar 15 19:43:00 2007 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:43:00 +0900 Subject: [SEL] test References: <380-220073415125129909@earthlink.net> <3806.165.206.180.53.1173985852.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <007901c76774$d0477640$f301a8c0@armstrong> ok in wa Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] test > Sorry, haven't seen any messages with test in the subject... > > Let me know if you don't get this. > > > Bill > >> OK here 0850 CDT >> >> >>> [Original Message] >>> From: Brian Watts >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Date: 3/15/2007 7:59:34 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] test >>> >>> test >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: >> 3/14/2007 3:38 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Fri Mar 16 15:33:15 2007 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:33:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] V12 References: Message-ID: <004c01c7681b$16f61460$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> yes, Elden, except for the crank and cam shafts, the internal parts are interchangable with the 351 V6, also the heads, exhaust and intake manifolds are the same,,,, i have it at a show this weekend, and if i heard it once today, i heard 150 times, " man, i aint never seen nothing like that before",,,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. > Bill: > > Isn't that engine an offshoot of the V-6 GM truck engines of the early > sixties? Somewhere in the murky past, I recall hearing that they were > going to make V-12 versions of that engine using a lot of the V-6 parts. > From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Mar 17 08:55:29 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:55:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Magnet meter In-Reply-To: <004c01c7681b$16f61460$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> Message-ID: Hello, Ed: If anyone wants to see more about the meter, they can go to: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand -----Original Message----- From: owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net [mailto:owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net]On Behalf Of Ed & Bev Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 07:37 PM To: stationary-engine at atis.net Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: Magnet Meter Did you ever wish you could use your digital volt meter to measure the strength and polarity of a magnetic field? Or actually measure the strength of a magnet before and after remagnetizing? If so, you might be interested in this relatively simple voltmeter accessory . It is a Gauss Meter. With a lot of help from Elden, we have put together a little circuit board ( 1/2 X 2 inches ) which has the Linear Hall-Effect sensor and supporting electronics on it. To use the Gauss Meter you have to provide a 9 to 12 battery for power and a volt meter to measure the output voltage or package it as a standalone instrument like Elden is doing. The main ingredients of this project is a battery , a small circuit board and five electronic components. If anyone wants to try this project, we might consolidate the parts order and , if warranted, have a vender make the PC boards. A WAG at the cost is $10 to $15. I have more in shipping and handling than parts so it is hard to estimate. I need to keep this short and can send pictures / electric cartoons off list. So let me know if you might be interested. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT Drop the spaces. edstoller @ earthlink . net From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Mar 17 09:30:03 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:30:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - anyone in or near Oroville, CA ? In-Reply-To: <007901c76774$d0477640$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <001701c768b1$866c8ef0$0100a8c0@l2800> I hate to do this again, gee, it's like talking about trucks or tractors at an engine show - at least it ain't politics or religion.... but I've got to make everyone feel good about a probable car deal. I'm looking at buying a car from a fellow in Oroville, CA - Northern cali- 65 miles north of Sacramento, 2 hours from Reno (as he describes it) I know the fellow from an online forum, and he's a fellow "AMCer". He's got a 1981 Eagle SX/4 that I want, at least I believe I do. I've seen photos, I've seen/heard it run via online video. He's told me most of what he can about it. It's rough from the sun and heat, but supposedly CA cars don't get rusty like Iowa cars, and that's what I'm after - a "rust-free" car. I'll be paying through the nose to get it to Iowa, otherwise his asking price for the car itself is fair for the condition. Is there anyone in that neighborhood who would be willing to meet the fellow and take a look at the car and "report back"? I almost hate to ask as that means someone takes their own time, and spends some gas driving over and gets very little in return. But I feel I should at least make such an effort. All I can offer is to cover their gas and a bit for their time, or do a similar favor for an engine/tractor person if they need something looked at in Iowa. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v103/AmcKidd/video/?action=view¤t=10 0_7977.flv http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/AmcKidd/Daisy019.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/AmcKidd/Daisy018.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/AmcKidd/Daisy014.jpg Bill Runnells, Iowa From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Mar 17 09:36:13 2007 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don.) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:36:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magnet meter References: Message-ID: <001a01c768b2$607339a0$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498> hey Eldon I want one of those Don in Ohio where the sun is shineing!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: [SEL] Magnet meter > Hello, Ed: > > If anyone wants to see more about the meter, they can go to: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net > [mailto:owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net]On Behalf Of Ed & Bev > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 07:37 PM > To: stationary-engine at atis.net > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: Magnet Meter > > > Did you ever wish you could use your digital volt meter to measure the > strength and polarity of a magnetic field? Or actually measure the > strength of a magnet before and after remagnetizing? If so, you might be > interested in this relatively simple voltmeter accessory . It is a Gauss > Meter. > > With a lot of help from Elden, we have put together a little circuit > board ( 1/2 X 2 inches ) which has the Linear Hall-Effect sensor and > supporting electronics on it. To use the Gauss Meter you have to provide a > 9 to 12 battery for power and a volt meter to measure the output voltage > or package it as a standalone instrument like Elden is doing. The main > ingredients of this project is a battery , a small circuit board and five > electronic components. > > If anyone wants to try this project, we might consolidate the parts order > and , if warranted, have a vender make the PC boards. A WAG at the cost is > $10 to $15. I have more in shipping and handling than parts so it is hard > to estimate. I need to keep this short and can send pictures / electric > cartoons off list. So let me know if you might be interested. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > Drop the spaces. > edstoller @ earthlink . net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 17 10:45:13 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:45:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question Message-ID: G'day Mates, Here's another question for the Aussies about their beloved Australs and the use thereof. Patrick Livingstone has a couple of really neat Austral adverts on his website. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/Australad1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/Australad2.jpg On the first advert it talks about the various types of sensible folks who use the Austral engine. Most are obvious, Farmers, Irrigators, Miners, etc. But one of the listed jobs baffles me. In Oz, what are "Cyaniders"? On the second advert it mentions how much work you can do with a "Tin of Kerosene." I've also seen references in the manual to using metal cut from a kerosene tin for various purposes. How big was the typical kerosene tin? I'm guessing around five gallons. Was this how kero was typically sold in Oz back in that day? Do any of you have pics of original kerosene tins? It sounds like something that would be a nice addition to Dave's Austral display info board. Thanks! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 17 09:50:08 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:50:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6fc04f3e0169bedbb66e3536b80ae426@chartertn.net> > But one of the listed jobs baffles me. In Oz, what are "Cyaniders"? I'm unfamiliar with Aussie lingo, but I'd bet those are folks in the business of extracting gold from ore with a cyanide solution. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 17 13:28:49 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 07:28:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question References: Message-ID: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Cyanide gas fumes were blown down rabbit holes to kill em. Ya dont really know how bad they were at the height of the rabbit plague. So, some folk had a good business going round with a blower setup. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:45 AM Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question > G'day Mates, > > Here's another question for the Aussies about their beloved Australs and > the use thereof. > > Patrick Livingstone has a couple of really neat Austral adverts on his > website. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/Australad1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/Australad2.jpg > > On the first advert it talks about the various types of sensible folks who > use the Austral engine. Most are obvious, Farmers, Irrigators, Miners, > etc. But one of the listed jobs baffles me. In Oz, what are "Cyaniders"? > > On the second advert it mentions how much work you can do with a "Tin of > Kerosene." I've also seen references in the manual to using metal cut > from a kerosene tin for various purposes. > > How big was the typical kerosene tin? I'm guessing around five gallons. > Was this how kero was typically sold in Oz back in that day? > Do any of you have pics of original kerosene tins? It sounds like > something that would be a nice addition to Dave's Austral display info > board. Thanks! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Sat Mar 17 13:48:54 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:48:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] kerosene tin Message-ID: <000501c768d5$b0c239b0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6> If you want info on kerosene tin and some of their uses, do a google search on australian sights and you will find quite a bit of historical information. I have seen 2 and 4 gallon tins Steve Steve and Denise Kitto MS 126 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 17 14:54:32 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:54:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question In-Reply-To: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: G'day Reg, Ahhh, that's amazing. Those of us outside Oz just have no appreciation for what a major problem that was. From 24 wild rabbits released at Barwon Park by Thomas Austin in 1859 you went to being plagued by billions & billions by just the early 1900's. The little buggers were going at it, well, like rabbits. 8-)) Makes you wonder how many people died accidentally from exposure to cyanide gas during those rabbit killing campaigns. Thanks for the info mate!! See ya, Arnie On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > Cyanide gas fumes were blown down rabbit holes to kill em. Ya dont really > know how bad they were at the height of the rabbit plague. So, some folk had > a good business going round with a blower setup. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 17 14:09:33 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:09:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00c201c768d8$a30f1dd0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Yup! But the 'health and safety' mob wern't around then! Come to think on it, I wonder how many rabbits would be here now if the DHS had been around 'controlling' things? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question > G'day Reg, > > Ahhh, that's amazing. Those of us outside Oz just have no appreciation > for what a major problem that was. From 24 wild rabbits released at > Barwon Park by Thomas Austin in 1859 you went to being plagued by billions > & billions by just the early 1900's. The little buggers were going at it, > well, like rabbits. 8-)) > > Makes you wonder how many people died accidentally from exposure to > cyanide gas during those rabbit killing campaigns. > > Thanks for the info mate!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Cyanide gas fumes were blown down rabbit holes to kill em. Ya dont really >> know how bad they were at the height of the rabbit plague. So, some folk >> had >> a good business going round with a blower setup. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 17 14:36:31 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:36:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question In-Reply-To: References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <19c9166486821f300f031d9e56a473b7@chartertn.net> > Ahhh, that's amazing. Those of us outside Oz just have no appreciation > for what a major problem that was. From 24 wild rabbits released at > Barwon Park by Thomas Austin in 1859 you went to being plagued by > billions > & billions by just the early 1900's. The little buggers were going at > it, > well, like rabbits. 8-)) Well, in 1890 a bunch of nuts who wanted to introduce to the U.S. every animal mentioned in Shakespeare's plays released 60 European starlings in Central Park in New York City, then 40 more in 1891. My gutters are full of nests of those buggers right now. I'd sure like to get rid of them. Maybe if ran a Maytag with the exhaust hose in my downspouts? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Frank at lbpinc.com Sat Mar 17 14:55:32 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:55:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Visit to Mt Wilson old iron collection Message-ID: <20070317215842.1759857CA2@gw1.nlenet.net> Last Sunday My friend Fred Rister and I were the guests of Larry Evans for a great tour of the Mt Wilson old iron collection (Known to those outside the old engine community as the Mount Wilson Observatory East of Los Angeles CA . I had told Larry ahead of time that Fred and I are interested in old iron and we make our living in the optics industry so he had Don Nicholson from the observatory there to show us around before we went to see the Fairbanks Morse engine / generator. http://astronomyoutreach.net/astronomers.d/nicholson.d/index.html Much of the Observatory Including Both the 60 in and the 100 in mirror telescopes were installed before 1917 so the mountain is full of old iron to generate electricity (110 V DC) and to move the telescopes to track the stars, and to open and close the shutters and rotate the dome ETC. Even maintenance items like cranes are purpose built to work in the dome top buildings and are original. The whole mountain is a toy box for any one who likes old iron. The place runs on DC because they had to make there own power and they didn't want exhaust or vibration at night so they generated DC during the day and used it at night. There are to many motors to change them all out and they still work so they stay. What a delight. I have posted some pix of motors and panels and a clock work that moved the telescope to track the stars. I also posted a few shots of a Worm wheel because it impressed me, not only for it's size, but because of the story. It had to be brought up the mountain in two parts. Therefor, it was assembled on site and then the teeth were cut in place. Each thing you look at is even more impressive when you realize that they were made in 190? and they were brought up the mountain on a dirt path. There are already good pictures on these sites. http://www.mtwilson.edu/index.php http://www.mwoa.org/gallery.html Don't miss this one. http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ Larry and Ken's site. Very Good. http://oldengine.org/members/levans/mtwilsonfm/ http://physics1.usc.edu/solar/hist_images.html And more. My pictures are at http://lbpinc.com/Mt-wilson.html Warning, LARGE files A great old Iron day. My thanks to Larry Evans and Don Nicholson Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Mar 17 15:06:11 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:06:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070318090248.011f0730@ncable.com.au> > > >How big was the typical kerosene tin? I'm guessing around five gallons. >Was this how kero was typically sold in Oz back in that day? >Do any of you have pics of original kerosene tins? It sounds like >something that would be a nice addition to Dave's Austral display info >board. Thanks! > >See ya, Arnie > >G'day Arnie and all. A typical kero tin is made of very thin >galvanised iron. They were/are a 4 imperial gallon tin and you could >buy them supplied in wooden boxes. The box housed 2 kero tins. I'll >put a couple of pics up on my webshots for anyone who wants to see. regards Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 17 15:26:25 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:26:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question Message-ID: <380-220073617222625199@M2W019.mail2web.com> Well, in 1890 a bunch of nuts who wanted to introduce to the U.S. every animal mentioned in Shakespeare's plays released 60 European starlings in Central Park in New York City, then 40 more in 1891. My gutters are full of nests of those buggers right now. I'd sure like to get rid of them. Maybe if ran a Maytag with the exhaust hose in my downspouts? John Culp Hi John Yes we have Starlings here too, I shoot on site. http://www.agric.wa.gov.au/pls/portal30/docs/FOLDER/IKMP/PW/VP/BIRD/FN076_20 04.PDF http://www.pestanimal.crc.org.au/research/rabbit_fact_sheet.pdf Peter, Oz -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 17 16:40:33 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:40:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question In-Reply-To: <19c9166486821f300f031d9e56a473b7@chartertn.net> References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <19c9166486821f300f031d9e56a473b7@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Hi John, DO I need to point out the obvious flaw in your plan? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, John Culp wrote: > Well, in 1890 a bunch of nuts who wanted to introduce to the U.S. every > animal mentioned in Shakespeare's plays released 60 European starlings > in Central Park in New York City, then 40 more in 1891. My gutters are > full of nests of those buggers right now. I'd sure like to get rid of > them. Maybe if I ran a Maytag with the exhaust hose in my downspouts? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 17 16:49:08 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:49:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><19c9166486821f300f031d9e56a473b7@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <013f01c768ef$492a7460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Yer just plain evil! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question > Hi John, > > DO I need to point out the obvious flaw in your plan? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Mar 17 17:26:36 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:26:36 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><19c9166486821f300f031d9e56a473b7@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001d01c768f4$1a6787d0$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question > Hi John, > > DO I need to point out the obvious flaw in your plan? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, I think you mean that the fungal growths in the drainpipe would choke the superbly running Maytag! Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 17 18:08:03 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:08:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question In-Reply-To: References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <19c9166486821f300f031d9e56a473b7@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <81f9a0a20855abe1180972b0464586bf@chartertn.net> Hope springs eternal! John On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:40 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi John, > > DO I need to point out the obvious flaw in your plan? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 17 19:42:29 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:42:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sawblade..Curt is exactly right Message-ID: Talked and showed the Gal sawing outfit to an ole sawyer today. He was cool and after showing him some sawblades, the discussion came up. Never paint (retains the heat..well, maybe not in our application) but, like a ladder, it will hide the cracks. Bottom line, remove the blade retention flanges and occasionally check for cracks starting from the shaft out. Thanks Curt..It's always been up front when running the Gal..will be looking for a new blade! Best Regards, RickinMt. From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 18 06:06:34 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:06:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] Austral, now Starlings Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2007 5:37:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: My gutters are full of nests of those buggers right now. I'd sure like to get rid of them. John, Here is a quiet, neighborly way for you to help your clogged gutter situation. No guns, noise, etc. It works real well! _http://purplemartin.org/shop/product_info.php?cPath=29_49&products_id=229&osC sid=bc0d17fdda024e5ec6b987b554519771_ (http://purplemartin.org/shop/product_info.php?cPath=29_49&products_id=229&osCsid=bc0d17fdda024e5ec6b987b554519771) Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 18 10:03:52 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:03:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral, now Starlings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No guns, noise, etc.? Where's the fun in that? Thanks, Tom! :-D John On Mar 18, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/17/2007 5:37:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > johnculp at chartertn.net writes: > > My gutters are > full of nests of those buggers right now. I'd sure like to get rid of > them. > > John, > > Here is a quiet, neighborly way for you to help your clogged gutter > situation. No guns, noise, etc. It works real well! > _http://purplemartin.org/shop/product_info.php? > cPath=29_49&products_id=229&osC > sid=bc0d17fdda024e5ec6b987b554519771_ > (http://purplemartin.org/shop/product_info.php? > cPath=29_49&products_id=229&osCsid=bc0d17fdda024e5ec6b987b554519771) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rwenig at telus.net Sun Mar 18 11:23:49 2007 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:23:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Austral, now Starlings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FD83B5.5030408@telus.net> Hello John, It keeps the urban dwellers off your back. You can't pack an electric drill around here without someone panicking. Rupert John Culp wrote: > No guns, noise, etc.? Where's the fun in that? > > Thanks, Tom! :-D > > John > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 18 12:32:52 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:32:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral, now Starlings In-Reply-To: <45FD83B5.5030408@telus.net> References: <45FD83B5.5030408@telus.net> Message-ID: <59abbbbc633d4858e9dfdb6008286fcd@chartertn.net> I hear you. John On Mar 18, 2007, at 2:23 PM, Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello John, > It keeps the urban dwellers off your back. You can't pack an electric > drill around here without someone panicking. > > Rupert John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Mar 18 13:55:24 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:55:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral, now Starlings References: Message-ID: <000901c7699f$c072bd10$0601a8c0@altech> So, how much is Cyanide Gas in the US ;-)))) Peter, Oz > > My gutters are > full of nests of those buggers right now. I'd sure like to get rid of > them. > > John, From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 18 15:18:24 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:18:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Really EXPENSIVE Boat Anchor Message-ID: Item Name: Rare Maytag 1 HP Stoveleg Upright Gas Engine Hit Miss Current bid: US $1,936.00 (19 bids) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find out more - View this Item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330096902697 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Details for item number: 330096902697 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Description: Nice older restoraton of a rare Maytag 1 hp Stoveleg Upright engine from a collection that I recently obtained. Serial # 82806. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun Mar 18 14:34:25 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:34:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] Really EXPENSIVE Boat Anchor Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/2007 4:21:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: Item Name: Rare Maytag 1 HP Stoveleg Upright Gas Engine Hit Miss Current bid: US $1,936.00 (19 bids) Hi Arnie, Please tell your room mate Dave that this verifies that the wonderful engines of Fred, the Maytags, are, pound for pound, the most valuable of all the old iron. Thanks. Regards, Ron Carroll, mgr Maytag Appreciation Division of the Sons of Fred PS: Duke is working out in preparation for the new season and we'll have the tooth sharpener stop by next month. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Mar 18 19:21:35 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:21:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magnet meter References: <001a01c768b2$607339a0$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498> Message-ID: <013201c769cd$51e32000$55a4f504@Ed> Hello Don, I don't have any more of the printed circuit boards, but I ordered 10 of the less sensitive Hall-Effect sensors about a year ago. It took 4 months to get them.I think the sensor we originally used was too sensitive to use directly on the magnet as it saturated. So all I can help you with at this time is the sensor which will cost about as much as the envelope and postage to send it to you. I made about 15 of the magnet meters a few years ago and maybe there are some out there that are not being used that some one could part with. I use mine mostly on small air cooled engine flywheel magnets. The project was a little poorly conceived in that the good magneto guys just hold a magnet up to there favorite I beam and pull it off and know whether it is good or not. I have always wanted to make a measurement of the magnet while still installed in the magneto to get a good idea of its condition before removing it. All I have to work with is the Type R on my FMZ 2 HP. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "don." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Magnet meter > hey Eldon I want one of those > Don in Ohio where the sun is shineing!!!!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:55 AM > Subject: [SEL] Magnet meter > > >> Hello, Ed: >> >> If anyone wants to see more about the meter, they can go to: >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html >> >> Take care - Elden >> edurand at mchsi.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net >> [mailto:owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net]On Behalf Of Ed & Bev >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 07:37 PM >> To: stationary-engine at atis.net >> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >> Subject: Magnet Meter >> >> >> Did you ever wish you could use your digital volt meter to measure the >> strength and polarity of a magnetic field? Or actually measure the >> strength of a magnet before and after remagnetizing? If so, you might be >> interested in this relatively simple voltmeter accessory . It is a Gauss >> Meter. >> >> With a lot of help from Elden, we have put together a little circuit >> board ( 1/2 X 2 inches ) which has the Linear Hall-Effect sensor and >> supporting electronics on it. To use the Gauss Meter you have to provide >> a >> 9 to 12 battery for power and a volt meter to measure the output voltage >> or package it as a standalone instrument like Elden is doing. The main >> ingredients of this project is a battery , a small circuit board and >> five >> electronic components. >> >> If anyone wants to try this project, we might consolidate the parts order >> and , if warranted, have a vender make the PC boards. A WAG at the cost >> is >> $10 to $15. I have more in shipping and handling than parts so it is hard >> to estimate. I need to keep this short and can send pictures / electric >> cartoons off list. So let me know if you might be interested. >> >> Ed Stoller >> New Fairfield, CT >> Drop the spaces. >> edstoller @ earthlink . net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 18 19:23:55 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:23:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass Message-ID: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> Can someone tell me where I can buy a sight glass for my oiler on my F&J Pump engine, it is 2" in diameter, 2" tall and 1/8" thick. Thanks, Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 18 19:32:08 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:32:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070318213150.05096b20@mail.alltel.net> At 09:23 PM 3/18/2007, you wrote: >Can someone tell me where I can buy a sight glass for my oiler on my F&J >Pump engine, it is 2" in diameter, 2" tall and 1/8" thick. > >Thanks, > >Paul Hit and Miss! Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 18 19:35:14 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:35:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass References: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070318213150.05096b20@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00e401c769cf$39eb30d0$240110ac@FAMILY> I will give them a call Dave, I checked the Starbolt Catalog and they did not have one with these dimensions but I did not check with Hit & Miss. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass > At 09:23 PM 3/18/2007, you wrote: >>Can someone tell me where I can buy a sight glass for my oiler on my F&J >>Pump engine, it is 2" in diameter, 2" tall and 1/8" thick. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Paul > > Hit and Miss! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 18 19:38:05 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:38:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Really EXPENSIVE Boat Anchor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070318213655.051a65d8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Twin, You will note that "This item is not covered by buyer protection on eBay" Do I need to tell you why? Dave >Hi Arnie, >Please tell your room mate Dave that this verifies that the wonderful >engines of Fred, the Maytags, are, pound for pound, the most valuable of >all the >old iron. >Thanks. >Regards, >Ron Carroll, mgr >Maytag Appreciation Division of the Sons of Fred > >PS: Duke is working out in preparation for the new season and we'll have >the tooth sharpener stop by next month. > > > > >************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 18 22:53:08 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:53:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <4FA07650-699A-4A97-B58F-90DBCF46F554@rustyiron.com> www.mcmaster.com On Mar 18, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Can someone tell me where I can buy a sight glass for my oiler on > my F&J Pump engine, it is 2" in diameter, 2" tall and 1/8" thick. > > Thanks, > > Paul From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 01:37:04 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <00e401c769cf$39eb30d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <319644.53211.qm@web59201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> When I need an oiler sight glass here in Japan I take my vernier caliper every where I go, particularly the grocery store and 100 yen shops. There are so many glass containers and drinking glasses that it does not take long to find something with the right OD. The thickness might not be the same as an original but that's hard to detect when it is mounted and full of oil. After you have cut a couple glasses and learned how, that dimension will be right on. Guys over here are making nice looking wine-glass oilers from vinegar bottles. Bill wmyoung at juno.ocn,ne,jp From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Mar 19 03:40:55 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:40:55 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <319644.53211.qm@web59201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5hcmp7$105l5ll@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au> So tell us how you cut them Bill. I've often wanted to have a go at doing it Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of William Young Sent: Monday, 19 March 2007 5:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass When I need an oiler sight glass here in Japan I take my vernier caliper every where I go, particularly the grocery store and 100 yen shops. There are so many glass containers and drinking glasses that it does not take long to find something with the right OD. The thickness might not be the same as an original but that's hard to detect when it is mounted and full of oil. After you have cut a couple glasses and learned how, that dimension will be right on. Guys over here are making nice looking wine-glass oilers from vinegar bottles. Bill wmyoung at juno.ocn,ne,jp _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 19 04:42:40 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 04:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <00e401c769cf$39eb30d0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070318213150.05096b20@mail.alltel.net> <00e401c769cf$39eb30d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <4618.165.206.180.53.1174304560.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> A GEM advertisor is where I've gotten the last several I've needed - come with gaskets. Ordered them for decades from him. -> Lee W. Pedersen Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History 1970 Javelin 1981 Eagle SX/4 coming soon > I will give them a call Dave, I checked the Starbolt Catalog and they did > not have one with these dimensions but I did not check with Hit & Miss. > > Thanks, > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass > > >> At 09:23 PM 3/18/2007, you wrote: >>>Can someone tell me where I can buy a sight glass for my oiler on my F&J >>>Pump engine, it is 2" in diameter, 2" tall and 1/8" thick. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Paul >> >> Hit and Miss! >> Dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 19 05:59:55 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:59:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction Message-ID: _http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?&AuctionNo=204_ (http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?&AuctionNo=204) # Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 19 06:05:39 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:05:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction References: Message-ID: OMG!!! Did you go Tom? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:59 AM Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction > _http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?&AuctionNo=204_ > (http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?&AuctionNo=204) # > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 06:16:05 2007 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:16:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction Message-ID: Rick, The auction is May 19th. I might go but I'd have to take out a loan to afford any of the good stuff ! I'm sure it will be a well attended auction. Dwight ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 19 06:17:23 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:17:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction References: Message-ID: Ah yes..my bad...way too early I guess. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Big $ engine auction > Rick, > The auction is May 19th. I might go but I'd have to take out a loan to > afford any of the good stuff ! > I'm sure it will be a well attended auction. > > Dwight > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 19 06:44:54 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:44:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 9:17:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Vivas1993 at aol.com writes: The auction is May 19th. Dwight, Yes, and it is our show weekend to boot, so I will not be able to attend. Bah-humbug!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Mar 19 07:19:48 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:19:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, That looks like quite a collection of interesting items. I'm not sure about the "90% all museum quality" statement but a lot of nice stuff none the less. The 40 hp Giant engine made by the Chicago Pneumatic Tool Co. is interesting (see http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?AuctionNo=204&p1=175&pinc=25#../auction_images/site04/204/520_186.jpg). The description lists patent dates on that engine in the 1815 to 1820 range. It looks like an internal combustion engine so those dates don't make sense. What am I missing here, does anyone know anything about this company? Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 07:30:09 2007 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:30:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction Message-ID: Hi Mike, Take a look on page 98 of the BYB, there is a little info. on this company and a picture of one of their engines. I think it might be a mistake on the patent dates, probably should be 1915 - 1920. Dwight ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Mar 19 07:38:51 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:38:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Take a look on page 98 of the BYB, there is a little info. on this company >and a picture of one of their engines. I think it might be a mistake on the >patent dates, probably should be 1915 - 1920. Thanks Dwight, I'll take a look this evening when I get home. I was wondering about a typo.... Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 07:43:25 2007 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:43:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction Message-ID: Tom, I forgot about your show being the same weekend ! Also got the Portland swap meet going on at the same time. How'd y'all get so lucky ? I'm working night shift that weekend, so IF I made it to the auction it would only be for a short while. It might be about a 2 hr. drive from here to the auction site. Dwight ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 19 08:31:17 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:31:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FEACC5.7050507@scrtc.com> Mike, I belive they got their 18's and 19's mixed up. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky >Tom, > >That looks like quite a collection of interesting items. I'm not >sure about the "90% all museum quality" statement but a lot of nice >stuff none the less. The 40 hp Giant engine made by the Chicago >Pneumatic Tool Co. is interesting (see >http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?AuctionNo=204&p1=175&pinc=25#../auction_images/site04/204/520_186.jpg). >The description lists patent dates on that engine in the 1815 to 1820 >range. It looks like an internal combustion engine so those dates >don't make sense. What am I missing here, does anyone know anything >about this company? > >Mike > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 11:27:35 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:27:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass References: <319644.53211.qm@web59201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c76a54$448b3780$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Bill that is a very innovative idea, thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass > When I need an oiler sight glass here in Japan I take my vernier caliper > every where I go, particularly the grocery store and 100 yen shops. There > are so many glass containers and drinking glasses that it does not take > long to find something with the right OD. The thickness might not be the > same as an original but that's hard to detect when it is mounted and full > of oil. After you have cut a couple glasses and learned how, that > dimension will be right on. Guys over here are making nice looking > wine-glass oilers from vinegar bottles. > Bill > wmyoung at juno.ocn,ne,jp > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 11:29:09 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:29:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass References: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070318213150.05096b20@mail.alltel.net><00e401c769cf$39eb30d0$240110ac@FAMILY> <4618.165.206.180.53.1174304560.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <003901c76a54$7c81d8b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Bill, if Hit & Miss don't have them I will give Lee a call. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass >A GEM advertisor is where I've gotten the last several I've needed - come > with gaskets. Ordered them for decades from him. > -> Lee W. Pedersen > > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History > 1970 Javelin > 1981 Eagle SX/4 coming soon > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 19 12:12:40 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:12:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070319141001.051fef10@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The pictures that I took at the 2007 Zolfo (Pioneer Park Days) are finally up. If nothing else they show the diversity of the show. I think it's one of the better ones each year! See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2007/index.html Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 12:30:21 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:30:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070319141001.051fef10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <007d01c76a5d$0956ba50$240110ac@FAMILY> Great pictures Dave, thanks for taking the time and trouble to post them for all to see. I really enjoyed them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up > Hi All, > The pictures that I took at the 2007 Zolfo (Pioneer Park Days) are finally > up. If nothing else they show the diversity of the show. I think it's one > of the better ones each year! See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2007/index.html > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 19 12:44:34 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:44:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 3:13:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: _http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2007/index.html_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2007/index.html) Nice pictures Dave. I believe I can see Arnie's black feet in one of the pictures. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 19 14:16:21 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:16:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... Message-ID: <45FEFDA5.1000802@imc-group.com> Here is a pattern and core box I just finished to make replacement oversized pistons for 2HP Hercules engines with the 3 5/8" bore. The take apart core box was interesting to make! Thought you might enjoy seeing them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 16:31:06 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <5hcmp7$105l5ll@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <943437.3629.qm@web59206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring wrote: So tell us how you cut them Bill. I've often wanted to have a go at doing it Ray Freeman, Perth WA Ray-san, Curt asked me the same thing off net. Here is my response to him. I'm always looking for inexpensive ways to get things done. Japan is EXPENSIVE. Keep in touch; let me know if you have a go at it. If anyone is interested, I'll pass the word along about the mechanical "Gauss quantifier" I built and used for years -- before I finally broke down and bought a proper, commercial Gauss meter. Now I have Gauss numbers; before, I had inch-pounds, foot-pounds, or m-kg numbers which represented the force necessary to pull magnets apart, as in Wico EK magnetos. I was not interested in the units, only the comparative magnetic force. Curt-san, There are several ways to learn to cut glass -- all good. Get a book and find out what that author says.. Other glass men may not agree 100%. Go watch the local vendor at work. The only problem there is that he will probably be cutting only big, flat, constant- thickness panes into smaller pieces; we will be working with round stuff which will probably have a great variation in thickness.. Suppose we have found a beer glass ( jelly glass, vinegar bottle, anything ) with the outside diameter we want. Better buy several of them at first; I guarantee we ( you ) will not get 100% straightaway. Set the glass aside and invent some way to make a system which will allow the glass to rotate while lightly in contact with the roller on the cutter.. I have made several such systems for cutting various items. A piece of 3/4 in. plywood with 1" X 1" wood strips screwed on to form a VEE of appropriate size will usually allow the glass to rotate evenly. The glass cutter must be securely fastened so it does not move during the scoring process. And that is where the art and experience come in. Most beginners, especially me, want to try to make the glass cutter bite deeply into the piece being cut. When you hear a sound like a faint electric spark as you cut, you are getting close. And JUST ONE good cut is enough. ONE ONLY. It is impossible, I've been told, to get a second cut in exactly the same place. Also try to remember that glass is a "liquid." I have trouble with that one but all of the old pros insist. Two more points. Do the first one or you will surely fail: ALWAYS have just a tiny drop of light oil ( I use 3 in 1 brand or anything similar.) on the cutter. Next, more skill is applied. We are going to make a tool: Imagine a 5 gallon steel can filled with transmission fluid. Forget the contents and concentrate on the heavy wire bail use for carrying. From that material ( or something similar ) we will make a tapper. We are going to tap the INSIDE of the glass ever so lightly, so gently around and right under the score made by the cutter. Sooner or later a fracture will occur. If we are lucky ( but it's skill rather than luck ) the fracture will be along the score mark. We continue the process around the inside of the glass .until the fractures meet. Sounds easy yes? It ain't. But you will learn. I used to like to take those 5 gallon Culligan Water bottles and cut a small circular piece out of the side -- and then plant a whole biosphere inside, The purists did everything from the mouth of the bottle.. One recommendation: I suggest you make your first 50 attempts on glasses that you have gleaned from the local county dump and obtained for free. But it's fun. Let me know if you follow through and what results you had. Your man in Japan, Bill wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Mon Mar 19 16:49:26 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:49:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass References: <943437.3629.qm@web59206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c76a81$3d839ef0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6> Bill Another method of getting the glass to break is to heat it with a candle, and then use an ice cube to rapidly cool it, it will crack easily. I have cut bottles using this method. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto MS 126 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 > Do the first one or you will surely fail: ALWAYS have just a tiny drop of light oil ( I use 3 in 1 brand or anything similar.) on the cutter. > Next, more skill is applied. We are going to make a tool: Imagine a 5 > gallon steel can filled with transmission fluid. Forget the contents and > concentrate on the heavy wire bail use for carrying. From that material > ( or something similar ) we will make a tapper. We are going to tap the > INSIDE of the glass ever so lightly, so gently around and right under the > score made by the cutter. Sooner or later a fracture will occur. If we > are lucky ( but it's skill rather than luck ) the fracture will be along > the score mark. We continue the process around the inside of the glass > .until the fractures meet. Sounds easy yes? It ain't. But you will > learn. I used to like to take those 5 gallon Culligan Water bottles and > cut a small circular piece out of the side -- and then plant a whole > biosphere inside, The purists did everything from the mouth of the > bottle.. > > One recommendation: I suggest you make your first 50 attempts on > glasses that you have gleaned from the local county dump and obtained for > free. But it's fun. Let me know if you follow through and what results > you had. > Your man in Japan, Bill > > wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 17:01:13 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:01:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... References: <45FEFDA5.1000802@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00c101c76a82$e06cd4f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Beautiful work Curt, thanks for the pictures and the explanation, what a process. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... > Here is a pattern and core box I just finished to make replacement > oversized pistons for 2HP Hercules engines with the 3 5/8" bore. The > take apart core box was interesting to make! > Thought you might enjoy seeing them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 19 17:06:33 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:06:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <000e01c76a81$3d839ef0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6> References: <943437.3629.qm@web59206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <000e01c76a81$3d839ef0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6> Message-ID: <45FF2589.3090201@scrtc.com> I was in Louisville, KY several years ago and needed an oiler glass. I went to a company, can't remember the name as they've been out of business for a number of years now, and they had an assortment of glass tubing. I think they made products for the dairy industry (a lot of glass tubing was at one time used in that industry, not sure if it still is or not). I showed them what I needed and they said it was no problem. They had a cutter that was under a shield. They sat the glass tubing under the shild and clamped it and then they hit a switch and water, or what appeared to be water, flooded the glass. A blade that the guy told me was diamond tipped, maybe 1/16 of an inch thick, sawed through it about like you would cut a board on a table saw. It was a real slick operation. Sure would have loved to got my hand on that cutter when they went out of business. It probably ended up in the scrap heap. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Bill >Another method of getting the glass to break is to heat it with a candle, >and then use an ice cube to rapidly cool it, it will crack easily. I have >cut bottles using this method. >Steve > >Steve and Denise Kitto >MS 126 >95 Coleyville Road >Mutdapilly QLD 4307 > > > From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Mar 19 17:27:31 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:27:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070319141001.051fef10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <009101c76a86$8d1935b0$6500a8c0@home> Great Job Dave ! Some day If I live long enough I'm gona get me one of them thar big engines and throw all my Lil ones away . if its ok with my wife :-) Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 17:29:07 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:29:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070319141001.051fef10@mail.alltel.net> <009101c76a86$8d1935b0$6500a8c0@home> Message-ID: <010001c76a86$c621e320$240110ac@FAMILY> Rex don't throw the little ones away I will come and get them for you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up > Great Job Dave ! Some day If I live long enough I'm gona get me one of > them > thar big engines and throw all my Lil ones away . if its ok with my wife > :-) > > Rex > > From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Mar 19 19:21:01 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:21:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Update on Fairbanks-Morse Power Plant Message-ID: Go here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 19 18:39:11 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:39:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Update on Fairbanks-Morse Power Plant References: Message-ID: Thanks Elden...like we say..ya don't stop in Billings if yer headed fer New York!!!! er, whatever works for ya. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Update on Fairbanks-Morse Power Plant > Go here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Mar 19 19:36:57 2007 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:36:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Update on Fairbanks-Morse Power Plant References: Message-ID: <008701c76a98$a55b5d30$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Thx. Elden. I'm following the move with interest. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Update on Fairbanks-Morse Power Plant > Go here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ddotto at cableone.net Mon Mar 19 20:38:21 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:38:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... In-Reply-To: <45FEFDA5.1000802@imc-group.com> References: <45FEFDA5.1000802@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001301c76aa1$351cd770$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Curt Beautiful work as always! Thanks for sharing. The leather fillets look great; if and when I ever do any more of that work I think I would like to go that way. The Bondo fillets were a real bear to sand and get looking right. Best Regards Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:16 PM > To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org) > Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... > > Here is a pattern and core box I just finished to make replacement > oversized pistons for 2HP Hercules engines with the 3 5/8" bore. The > take apart core box was interesting to make! > Thought you might enjoy seeing them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > umbnails.html> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Tue Mar 20 00:30:00 2007 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:30:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp Message-ID: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> BlankHi, my son helped me figure out how to film, edit and upload this video to youtube of me starting this old girl. Kids are good, even better than engines sometimes. Click on the link.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjO9U--aFk Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Mar 20 00:39:04 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:39:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> RE: Starting Olds 12Hp In-Reply-To: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <20070320073851.KEEI14698.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Looks great, it is a nice running engine. It must be a big heavy beast as my 6hp is a bit of a monster so the 12hp must be impressive :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- BlankHi, my son helped me figure out how to film, edit and upload this video to youtube of me starting this old girl. Kids are good, even better than engines sometimes. Click on the link.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjO9U--aFk Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines From brock at netspeed.com.au Tue Mar 20 01:24:07 2007 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:24:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp Message-ID: <45ff9a27.29c.34c2.1482930343@netspeed.com.au> it looks great ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:30:00 +1100 > BlankHi, my son helped me figure out how to film, edit > and upload this video to youtube of me starting this old > girl. Kids are good, even better than engines sometimes. > Click on the link.. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjO9U--aFk > > > Michael Young > 5 Beech Crescent > Orange NSW 2800 > AUSTRALIA > http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 20 01:32:36 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:32:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <06db01c76acf$8ab041d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Good video. I should know you but I cant put a face to ya! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Mar 20 03:50:23 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:50:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp In-Reply-To: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070320214900.01e45868@ncable.com.au> G'day Michael, lucky your a little on the tall side! I can just imagine a short ass like me trying to swing that old girl over. Nice engine. Regards Russell At 06:30 PM 20/03/2007, you wrote: >BlankHi, my son helped me figure out how to film, edit and upload >this video to youtube of me starting this old girl. Kids are good, >even better than engines sometimes. Click on the link.. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjO9U--aFk > > >Michael Young >5 Beech Crescent >Orange NSW 2800 >AUSTRALIA >http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Mar 20 04:08:40 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:08:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070320215303.01e4b9d0@ncable.com.au> Howdy ya all. I want to have a go of fixing the bearing gap (if you like) in the big Graham engine I have. It runs fine but has a little jump in the crank shaft in the bearings itself on the compression stroke. So yes they are warn, but not major or it does look like a major problem anyway. Some of my past engines have actually had a very thin layer of white metal placed on the original bronze bearings so I thought I could do the same thing. I have plenty of white metal. Just have never used it before. How would I go about melting the white metal and attaching it to the bronze bearings. I imagine I would clamp the bearings together and put something similar in size to my crank shaft inside. Melt the white metal and pour! But I need to prep the bronze surface area first ... Yes? How would that be done? second when I pour the metal ...... should the bronze be preheated at all? and what should I use to on the shaft bit so the metal doesn't stick to it when I remove it from the set casting? I have never done this stuff before so I will probably stuff something up but one will not learn if one does not have a go. In case some of you are wondering how big the gap I trying to fill is .... I would have a guess to say about the thickness of 2 to 3 playing cards. regards Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 20 05:31:05 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:31:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] Update on Fairbanks-Morse Power Plant Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 9:21:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: _http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20S tation.html_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html) A great undertaking! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 20 05:41:42 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:41:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 5:17:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: The take apart core box was interesting to make! Nice work Curt! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 20 09:26:06 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:26:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070320215303.01e4b9d0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Russell: If you can get the big end into a lathe or mill, most of the critical work is easy. Beings I've never rebabbitted a bearing (scraped in a set of mains on my American LaFrance a few years ago), I might give some wrong advice. To make the babbitt stick to the bronze, first clean up the surfaces with sandpaper, etc. and use a good solder flux and tin the bearings with babbitt until the surfaces are completely covered. To keep the babbitt from sticking to the mandrel, one way is to use an acetylene torch with no oxygen to smoke the mandrel. Babbitt won't stick to the carbon. Before pouring the bearing, make up several shims so you can take-up wear in the bearing in the future. I suppose you'd be good to go with about 0.030" or so of shims. Then, assemble the bearing with the shims. If you can easily machine the new babbitt to fit the journal, you can leave a gap of 1/8 inch or so between the mandrel and the bearing. This will allow the white metal to flow to all parts of the bearing. Also, you need to heat the bearing to very near the melting temperature of the babbitt so the poured metal will fuse to the tin coating. After the whole works has cooled, machine to fit. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Russell > Gilbert > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 06:09 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question > > > Howdy ya all. > I want to have a go of fixing the bearing gap (if > you like) in the > big Graham engine I have. It runs fine but has a > little jump in the > crank shaft in the bearings itself on the > compression stroke. So yes > they are warn, but not major or it does look like > a major problem > anyway. Some of my past engines have actually had > a very thin layer > of white metal placed on the original bronze > bearings so I thought I > could do the same thing. I have plenty of white > metal. Just have > never used it before. How would I go about > melting the white metal > and attaching it to the bronze bearings. I > imagine I would clamp the > bearings together and put something similar in > size to my crank shaft > inside. Melt the white metal and pour! But I need > to prep the bronze > surface area first ... Yes? How would that be > done? second when I > pour the metal ...... should the bronze be > preheated at all? and what > should I use to on the shaft bit so the metal > doesn't stick to it > when I remove it from the set casting? > I have never done this stuff before so I will > probably stuff > something up but one will not learn if one does > not have a go. In > case some of you are wondering how big the gap I > trying to fill is > .... I would have a guess to say about the > thickness of 2 to 3 playing cards. > regards Russell > > > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Mar 20 09:01:08 2007 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:01:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... References: <45FEFDA5.1000802@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000e01c76b08$f9d08050$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04> Beautiful job, Curt. I think most on the list understand the process, but one thing I have a tough time explaining to people is the concept of a corebox. I guess they've never thought about it enough realize that to get hollow castings, there has to be a "mold to make part of the mold". Your pictures are worth a thousand words. Good luck on the castings, looks like they'll come out well. Best Regards; Jim Mackessy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... > Here is a pattern and core box I just finished to make replacement > oversized pistons for 2HP Hercules engines with the 3 5/8" bore. The > take apart core box was interesting to make! > Thought you might enjoy seeing them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 20 10:34:59 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:34:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up In-Reply-To: <009101c76a86$8d1935b0$6500a8c0@home> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070319141001.051fef10@mail.alltel.net> <009101c76a86$8d1935b0$6500a8c0@home> Message-ID: Just remember one thing Rex. They're still making wives. They're NOT still making the big old engines. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Rex Hinz wrote: > Great Job Dave ! Some day If I live long enough I'm gona get me one of them > thar big engines and throw all my Lil ones away . if its ok with my wife :-) From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Tue Mar 20 07:56:41 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cutting Oiler Sight Glasses In-Reply-To: <000e01c76a81$3d839ef0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6> Message-ID: <128565.7528.qm@web59206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Steve-san, The candle & ice bit is done after scoring with regular glass cutter? I have heard, but never tried, that wrapping a single turn of nichrome wire around the glass to be cut, passing a current through the wire to get it glow-red hot, will do the trick. Bill From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Tue Mar 20 17:30:49 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:30:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cutting Oiler Sight Glasses References: <128565.7528.qm@web59206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c76b50$2fc23180$0205a8c0@y7x7u6> Yes, I have a special cutting gadget that I have had for many years that was specially designed for cutting bottles. I have even seen what is called a rod blade which you put in a hack saw that can cut glass. They are available from many hardware outlets Steve Steve and Denise Kitto MS 126 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cutting Oiler Sight Glasses > Steve-san, The candle & ice bit is done after scoring with regular glass > cutter? I have heard, but never tried, that wrapping a single turn of > nichrome wire around the glass to be cut, passing a current through the > wire to get it glow-red hot, will do the trick. Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Mar 21 03:32:42 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:32:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070320215303.01e4b9d0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070321213022.01e42670@ncable.com.au> Thanks Elden, sounds pretty easy if you say it quick. Also seems similar to an off list reply I got also. Many thanks; I will endevour to do it over the next couple of weeks - to busy with work again at the minute. I will report my experience when it's done. regards Russell At 03:26 AM 21/03/2007, you wrote: >Russell: > >If you can get the big end into a lathe or mill, most of the >critical work is easy. Beings I've never rebabbitted a bearing >(scraped in a set of mains on my American LaFrance a few years ago), >I might give some wrong advice. > >To make the babbitt stick to the bronze, first clean up the surfaces >with sandpaper, etc. and use a good solder flux and tin the bearings >with babbitt until the surfaces are completely covered. > >To keep the babbitt from sticking to the mandrel, one way is to use >an acetylene torch with no oxygen to smoke the mandrel. Babbitt >won't stick to the carbon. > >Before pouring the bearing, make up several shims so you can take-up >wear in the bearing in the future. I suppose you'd be good to go >with about 0.030" or so of shims. Then, assemble the bearing with the shims. > >If you can easily machine the new babbitt to fit the journal, you >can leave a gap of 1/8 inch or so between the mandrel and the >bearing. This will allow the white metal to flow to all parts of >the bearing. Also, you need to heat the bearing to very near the >melting temperature of the babbitt so the poured metal will fuse to >the tin coating. > >After the whole works has cooled, machine to fit. > >Take care - Elden >edurand at mchsi.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Russell > > Gilbert > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 06:09 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question > > > > > > Howdy ya all. > > I want to have a go of fixing the bearing gap (if > > you like) in the > > big Graham engine I have. It runs fine but has a > > little jump in the > > crank shaft in the bearings itself on the > > compression stroke. So yes > > they are warn, but not major or it does look like > > a major problem > > anyway. Some of my past engines have actually had > > a very thin layer > > of white metal placed on the original bronze > > bearings so I thought I > > could do the same thing. I have plenty of white > > metal. Just have > > never used it before. How would I go about > > melting the white metal > > and attaching it to the bronze bearings. I > > imagine I would clamp the > > bearings together and put something similar in > > size to my crank shaft > > inside. Melt the white metal and pour! But I need > > to prep the bronze > > surface area first ... Yes? How would that be > > done? second when I > > pour the metal ...... should the bronze be > > preheated at all? and what > > should I use to on the shaft bit so the metal > > doesn't stick to it > > when I remove it from the set casting? > > I have never done this stuff before so I will > > probably stuff > > something up but one will not learn if one does > > not have a go. In > > case some of you are wondering how big the gap I > > trying to fill is > > .... I would have a guess to say about the > > thickness of 2 to 3 playing cards. > > regards Russell > > > > > > > > Russell Gilbert > > Sunny Sunraysia > > russell at ncable.com.au > > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 21 06:09:16 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:09:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Galloway website Message-ID: I can't access John's website..how 'bout ya'll? http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/index.html From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 21 06:20:44 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Galloway website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3829.165.206.180.53.1174483244.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Nope - something is amiss with his default page or html file. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History 1970 Javelin Eagle SX/4 coming soon > > I can't access John's website..how 'bout ya'll? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/index.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 21 08:08:53 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:08:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't get it either (21 March, 10:05 AM EDT). Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 08:09 AM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] Galloway website > > > > I can't access John's website..how 'bout ya'll? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/index.html From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 21 07:16:24 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:16:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Galloway website References: Message-ID: Huh..that's strange... Anyone got one of these? Looks interesting. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320095318305 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway website > I don't get it either (21 March, 10:05 AM EDT). > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard > > Strobel > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 08:09 AM > > To: sel > > Subject: [SEL] Galloway website > > > > > > > > I can't access John's website..how 'bout ya'll? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 21 07:27:00 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:27:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Galloway website Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/2007 10:17:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Anyone got one of these? Pretty interesting engine. Would be a nice project! Tom ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Mar 21 07:20:52 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:20:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway website Message-ID: <20070321.092220.1212.9.jlb94@juno.com> Nope Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " When happiness shows up give it a comfortable seat". (_o_) From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Mar 21 07:10:35 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:10:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cutting Oiler Sight Glasses Message-ID: <20070321.092220.1212.6.jlb94@juno.com> I was at a show where a guy sat by his trailer and was using a Dremel (high speed hobby drill) to cut baby food jars into oiler glass. I stopped back to see how he did. I guess it would work but the surfaces of his cuts were rather rough. The surfaces could be dressed on a belt sander I suppose. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " When happiness shows up give it a comfortable seat". (_o_) From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Mar 21 08:46:46 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:46:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Auction, was Galloway website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200703211547.l2LFkuKX054430@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:16 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway website Huh..that's strange... Anyone got one of these? Looks interesting. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320095318305 ~~~~~~~~~~~ I wonder what the seller is shouting about. All caps is annoying, to say the least. If that sort of thing bugs anyone else, here's a helpful hint if you have Word for Windows: Cut and paste the text into Word, highlight it, then do a Shift + f3 on it. This will convert it all to lower case. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway website > I don't get it either (21 March, 10:05 AM EDT). > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard > > Strobel > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 08:09 AM > > To: sel > > Subject: [SEL] Galloway website > > > > > > > > I can't access John's website..how 'bout ya'll? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Wed Mar 21 11:08:28 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:08:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr References: <200703211547.l2LFkuKX054430@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <005b01c76be3$ee2e04d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it was stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of a site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing and I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, but this seems to be different in style. Thanks in advance, Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 21 12:50:27 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:50:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr In-Reply-To: <005b01c76be3$ee2e04d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <200703211547.l2LFkuKX054430@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005b01c76be3$ee2e04d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: Hi Dave, What model Novo Rollr engine do you have? I have some literature that might show the breather cap. I've also got an 8 hp two-cylinder Novo Rollr pump outfit and I could take a pic of the breather if that would be useful. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/rollr.htm See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Dave Ernst wrote: > I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it was > stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of a > site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing and > I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, but > this seems to be different in style. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Mar 21 12:29:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:29:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the Baraboo Show this year? See: http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 21 13:47:43 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:47:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: And speaking of Baraboo.... I haven't heard anything from Joe Prindle recently. 8->>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the Baraboo Show this year? See: > http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Mar 21 16:07:11 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:07:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr In-Reply-To: <005b01c76be3$ee2e04d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <200703211547.l2LFkuKX054430@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005b01c76be3$ee2e04d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <20070321200715.4D7C3228344@md5.pennswoods.net> Dave i have a Nova Rollr. I think it is a Nova Rollr2 can check it out for you if it would help. Have not had a eye on it in over a year short memory. R Fink At 11:08 AM 3/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: >I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it was >stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of a >site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing and >I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, but >this seems to be different in style. > >Thanks in advance, >Dave > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 21 13:42:40 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:42:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fred Prichard Message-ID: <000a01c76bf9$78f80f60$61a1693a@fred> Hi, Can anyone help me with the email address for Fred Prichard ,lives in New Hampshire USA. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From rex002 at centurytel.net Wed Mar 21 18:14:41 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:14:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000d01c76c1f$7880c740$6500a8c0@home> Not so bad , I guess he couldn't catch a live deer , I'm looking forward to see all of you at Baraboo , I may have a batch of home brewed beer aged by then , Dave bring the Austral , gota see it. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? > And speaking of Baraboo.... I haven't heard anything from Joe Prindle > recently. 8->>> > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the Baraboo Show this year? See: >> http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Mar 21 18:40:35 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:40:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? In-Reply-To: <000d01c76c1f$7880c740$6500a8c0@home> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> <000d01c76c1f$7880c740$6500a8c0@home> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321203855.046ed898@mail.alltel.net> Hi Rex, I've pretty much decided that where ever I go this year the Austral goes with me! See you on August 17th! Dave At 08:14 PM 3/21/2007, you wrote: > Not so bad , I guess he couldn't catch a live deer , I'm looking forward >to see all of you at Baraboo , I may have a batch of home brewed beer aged >by then , Dave bring the Austral , gota see it. > >Rex >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arnie Fero" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:47 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? > > > > And speaking of Baraboo.... I haven't heard anything from Joe Prindle > > recently. 8->>> > > > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > >> Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the Baraboo Show this year? See: > >> http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 21 20:00:04 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:00:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr References: <200703211547.l2LFkuKX054430@mail-gw.fsr.net><005b01c76be3$ee2e04d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <20070321200715.4D7C3228344@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: Dave..need more info as in number of cylinders and such Regards, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr > Dave i have a Nova Rollr. I think it is a Nova Rollr2 can check it > out for you if it would help. Have not had a eye on it in over a year > short memory. > R Fink > > > At 11:08 AM 3/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: > >I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it > >was > >stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of > >a > >site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing > >and > >I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, > >but > >this seems to be different in style. > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Dave > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 21 20:18:38 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:18:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Way O/t Message-ID: I would guess this is not from the left side.!! Crank 'er up Apologize Spence..too good not to share...devil made me do it!!! Ricksomewhere on the left side. http://egg.d21c.com/egg.swf From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Mar 21 22:41:45 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:41:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <46021719.4000107@scrtc.com> I locked a guy up once for doing this with a goat......it was live though......you know we're a bit "higher class" here in KY that they are in Wisconsin.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the Baraboo Show this year? See: >http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp > Dave > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Mar 21 22:47:55 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:47:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fred Prichard In-Reply-To: <000a01c76bf9$78f80f60$61a1693a@fred> References: <000a01c76bf9$78f80f60$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <4602188B.3080503@scrtc.com> Brian, Fred now lives in Tennessee. I can get his contact info for you if someone hasn't already gotten it to you. Let me know. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi, >Can anyone help me with the email address for Fred Prichard ,lives in New Hampshire USA. >Brian and David Watts >Melbourne >Australia >(03) 97266147 >http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat >briwatt at optusnet.com.au > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Mar 22 01:25:31 2007 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:25:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> <7.0.1.0.0.20070320214900.01e45868@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Russel, that was the bloooody engine that wouldnt start the day you were here. I have got the technique down pat now and have found that petrol is needed. Just put it in the tank and it will go every time!! Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp > G'day Michael, lucky your a little on the tall side! I can just > imagine a short ass like me trying to swing that old girl over. Nice > engine. > Regards Russell > > At 06:30 PM 20/03/2007, you wrote: >>BlankHi, my son helped me figure out how to film, edit and upload >>this video to youtube of me starting this old girl. Kids are good, >>even better than engines sometimes. Click on the link.. >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjO9U--aFk >> >> >>Michael Young >>5 Beech Crescent >>Orange NSW 2800 >>AUSTRALIA >>http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Mar 22 06:55:07 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:55:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr Message-ID: <20070322105509.EB64E2286AB@md5.pennswoods.net> Dave i have a Nova Rollr. I think it is a Nova Rollr R F can check it out for you if it would help. Have not had a eye on it in over a year short memory. R Fink At 11:08 AM 3/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: >I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it was >stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of a >site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing and >I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, but >this seems to be different in style. > >Thanks in advance, >Dave > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 22 06:26:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:26:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? In-Reply-To: <46021719.4000107@scrtc.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> <46021719.4000107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070322082441.046f58e0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tommy, I thought goats were legal in KY. Or was the goat under the age of 12? Dave At 12:41 AM 3/22/2007, you wrote: >I locked a guy up once for doing this with a goat......it was live >though......you know we're a bit "higher class" here in KY that they are >in Wisconsin.... > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the Baraboo Show this year? See: > >http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Mar 22 08:04:17 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:04:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070322082441.046f58e0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Dave: No - it's sheep that are legal as long as they give consent. There is no age of consent for sheep in Kaintuck. Goats are only legal if they are of age and their services are utilized on alternate Wednesdays of alternate months in leap years. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave > Rotigel > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 08:27 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? > > > Hi Tommy, I thought goats were legal in KY. Or > was the goat under the age > of 12? > Dave > > At 12:41 AM 3/22/2007, you wrote: > >I locked a guy up once for doing this with a > goat......it was live > >though......you know we're a bit "higher class" > here in KY that they are > >in Wisconsin.... > > > >Tommy Turner > >Magnolia, KY > > > > > > >Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the > Baraboo Show this year? See: > > >http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 22 07:09:07 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:09:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070322082441.046f58e0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070322090710.047e5168@mail.alltel.net> DAMN, With complicated laws like that it's no wonder the poor guy in Judge Turner's court got confused! Dave At 10:04 AM 3/22/2007, you wrote: >Dave: >Goats are only legal if they are of age and their services are utilized on >alternate Wednesdays of alternate months in leap years. > >Take care - Elden >edurand at mchsi.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Dave > > Rotigel > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 08:27 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? > > > > > > Hi Tommy, I thought goats were legal in KY. Or > > was the goat under the age > > of 12? > > Dave > > > > At 12:41 AM 3/22/2007, you wrote: > > >I locked a guy up once for doing this with a > > goat......it was live > > >though......you know we're a bit "higher class" > > here in KY that they are > > >in Wisconsin.... > > > > > >Tommy Turner > > >Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > > > >Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the > > Baraboo Show this year? See: > > > >http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 22 07:43:09 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:43:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070321213022.01e42670@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070320215303.01e4b9d0@ncable.com.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070321213022.01e42670@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <460295FD.1080202@imc-group.com> Russell, I've had a read of your post several times and am a bit confused. Elden seems to be replying to repairing a big end on a conn rod, yet your post seems to be asking about the crankshaft mains. You say the crankshaft has a "bit of jump in the bearings (plural) itself " and I take it this is the mains supporting the crankshaft. You also mention the existing brass mains..... Hope this is not too stupid a question, but why not just turn up a new set of brass bushings and drop them in the saddles? Seems this would be easier and a whole lot more accurate than building up the old ones with babbitt. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Russell Gilbert wrote: > Thanks Elden, sounds pretty easy if you say it quick. Also seems > similar to an off list reply I got also. Many thanks; I will endevour > to do it over the next couple of weeks - to busy with work again at > the minute. I will report my experience when it's done. regards Russell > > At 03:26 AM 21/03/2007, you wrote: > >> Russell: >> >> If you can get the big end into a lathe or mill, most of the >> critical work is easy. Beings I've never rebabbitted a bearing >> (scraped in a set of mains on my American LaFrance a few years ago), >> I might give some wrong advice. >> >> To make the babbitt stick to the bronze, first clean up the surfaces >> with sandpaper, etc. and use a good solder flux and tin the bearings >> with babbitt until the surfaces are completely covered. >> >> To keep the babbitt from sticking to the mandrel, one way is to use >> an acetylene torch with no oxygen to smoke the mandrel. Babbitt >> won't stick to the carbon. >> >> Before pouring the bearing, make up several shims so you can take-up >> wear in the bearing in the future. I suppose you'd be good to go >> with about 0.030" or so of shims. Then, assemble the bearing with the shims. >> >> If you can easily machine the new babbitt to fit the journal, you >> can leave a gap of 1/8 inch or so between the mandrel and the >> bearing. This will allow the white metal to flow to all parts of >> the bearing. Also, you need to heat the bearing to very near the >> melting temperature of the babbitt so the poured metal will fuse to >> the tin coating. >> >> After the whole works has cooled, machine to fit. >> >> Take care - Elden >> edurand at mchsi.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>> Behalf Of Russell >>> Gilbert >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 06:09 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question >>> >>> >>> Howdy ya all. >>> I want to have a go of fixing the bearing gap (if >>> you like) in the >>> big Graham engine I have. It runs fine but has a >>> little jump in the >>> crank shaft in the bearings itself on the >>> compression stroke. So yes >>> they are warn, but not major or it does look like >>> a major problem >>> anyway. Some of my past engines have actually had >>> a very thin layer >>> of white metal placed on the original bronze >>> bearings so I thought I >>> could do the same thing. I have plenty of white >>> metal. Just have >>> never used it before. How would I go about >>> melting the white metal >>> and attaching it to the bronze bearings. I >>> imagine I would clamp the >>> bearings together and put something similar in >>> size to my crank shaft >>> inside. Melt the white metal and pour! But I need >>> to prep the bronze >>> surface area first ... Yes? How would that be >>> done? second when I >>> pour the metal ...... should the bronze be >>> preheated at all? and what >>> should I use to on the shaft bit so the metal >>> doesn't stick to it >>> when I remove it from the set casting? >>> I have never done this stuff before so I will >>> probably stuff >>> something up but one will not learn if one does >>> not have a go. In >>> case some of you are wondering how big the gap I >>> trying to fill is >>> .... I would have a guess to say about the >>> thickness of 2 to 3 playing cards. >>> regards Russell >>> >>> >>> >>> Russell Gilbert >>> Sunny Sunraysia >>> russell at ncable.com.au >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 22 08:07:54 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:07:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp In-Reply-To: <000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203> References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> <7.0.1.0.0.20070320214900.01e45868@ncable.com.au> <000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <46029BCA.5000500@imc-group.com> Hey Michael, I see you've read the Rob & Kelley engine operators manual now :-) Curt Michael Young wrote: > have found that petrol is needed. Just put it in the tank and it will go every time!! > > From shop at cccomm.net Thu Mar 22 08:59:29 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:59:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr References: <20070322105509.EB64E2286AB@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <00b001c76c9b$13128520$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> It's a single cylinder, prefix TU on the plate. Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr > Dave i have a Nova Rollr. I think it is a Nova Rollr R F can check it > out for you if it would help. Have not had a eye on it in over a year > short memory. > R Fink > > > At 11:08 AM 3/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: >>I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it >>was >>stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of a >>site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing >>and >>I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, >>but >>this seems to be different in style. >> >>Thanks in advance, >>Dave >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Mar 22 16:21:00 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:21:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr In-Reply-To: <00b001c76c9b$13128520$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <20070322105509.EB64E2286AB@md5.pennswoods.net> <00b001c76c9b$13128520$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <20070322202106.F146E228C56@md5.pennswoods.net> Mine is a two cylinder. I got it a few years back with the help on many list members to get it across country. And Thanks again to all that helped R Fink At 08:59 AM 3/22/2007 -0700, you wrote: >It's a single cylinder, prefix TU on the plate. > >Thanks >Dave >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Fink Sr" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:55 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr > > > > Dave i have a Nova Rollr. I think it is a Nova Rollr R F can check it > > out for you if it would help. Have not had a eye on it in over a year > > short memory. > > R Fink > > > > > > At 11:08 AM 3/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: > >>I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it > >>was > >>stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of a > >>site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing > >>and > >>I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, > >>but > >>this seems to be different in style. > >> > >>Thanks in advance, > >>Dave > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 22 14:42:40 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:42:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios Message-ID: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Here is a handy conversion chart for mixing two stroke fuels. http://www.speed-sports.com/more/oil.html For Aussies, the gallons are Yankee gallons, but the litres work fine. A must for the keen maytag exhibitors ;-))) I run Kaye's 72 twin on 35:1 Castrol TT and have done so since 1999. Just a hint of smoke is good. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 22 14:46:56 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:46:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios References: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <000901c76ccb$9d9691c0$0601a8c0@altech> Oooppps, missed this one, here is a complete chart!! http://www.rctek.com/pdf/fuel_to_oil_ratio_chart.pdf Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Mar 22 15:53:14 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:53:14 +0800 Subject: [SEL] TEST?? Message-ID: <000901c76cd4$e2f63000$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 22 16:11:26 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:11:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios In-Reply-To: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: 35:1 ???? Come on mate, with modern oils you should be doing at least 50,000:1 in those bloody Maytags!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > Here is a handy conversion chart for mixing two stroke fuels. > http://www.speed-sports.com/more/oil.html > > For Aussies, the gallons are Yankee gallons, but the litres work fine. > > A must for the keen maytag exhibitors ;-))) > > I run Kaye's 72 twin on 35:1 Castrol TT and have done so since 1999. Just a > hint of smoke is good. From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 22 16:37:10 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:37:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cutting Oiler Sight Glasses In-Reply-To: <20070321.092220.1212.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20070321.092220.1212.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <2fa41341d89b82fc9f1ab2910a9ea8a7@chartertn.net> Lots of folks are using ceramic tile cutters to slice off wine bottle necks for guitar slides. John On Mar 21, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > I was at a show where a guy sat by his trailer and was using a Dremel > (high speed hobby drill) > to cut baby food jars into oiler glass. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From falcon at telenet.net Thu Mar 22 19:53:34 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:53:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios In-Reply-To: References: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <4603412E.2070207@telenet.net> Arnie Fero wrote: > 35:1 ???? Come on mate, with modern oils you should be doing at least > 50,000:1 in those bloody Maytags!! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Here is a handy conversion chart for mixing two stroke fuels. >> http://www.speed-sports.com/more/oil.html >> >> For Aussies, the gallons are Yankee gallons, but the litres work fine. >> >> A must for the keen maytag exhibitors ;-))) >> >> I run Kaye's 72 twin on 35:1 Castrol TT and have done so since 1999. Just a >> hint of smoke is good. > Buy yourself some Amsoil and you can run all your twosmokes on 100:1 mix. Just be aware that it WILL give you a BAD headache if you breath in the fumes to much. Used it a lot in my race sleds and never had a problem, except the headaches... -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 22 20:07:38 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:07:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios References: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <000701c76cf8$69abbb60$0601a8c0@altech> I did run it at 50:1 but it got a squeal up ;-)) Peter > 35:1 ???? Come on mate, with modern oils you should be doing at least > 50,000:1 in those bloody Maytags!! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Here is a handy conversion chart for mixing two stroke fuels. >> http://www.speed-sports.com/more/oil.html >> >> For Aussies, the gallons are Yankee gallons, but the litres work fine. >> >> A must for the keen maytag exhibitors ;-))) >> >> I run Kaye's 72 twin on 35:1 Castrol TT and have done so since 1999. Just >> a >> hint of smoke is good. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Mar 23 05:03:38 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:03:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: two stroke fuel ratios Message-ID: <000a01c76d43$4aaee200$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All Can someone who uses AOL tell me how to get rid on the AOL advertising banner at the bottom of this page, it must be under options etc. Also when an email arrives it places the original email into the attachment line. When the email arrives it looks like something is attached, normally for us a photo etc, this attachment is not necessary and you must be able to turn it off. Peter, Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: Labpoop at aol.com To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Fwd: two stroke fule ratios Nice find Peter! Very handy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Mar 23 09:37:29 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:37:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios In-Reply-To: <000701c76cf8$69abbb60$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> <000701c76cf8$69abbb60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070323113619.04833ff0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peter, try 500:1 and the squeal will stop! Dave At 10:07 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote: >I did run it at 50:1 but it got a squeal up ;-)) > >Peter > > > > > 35:1 ???? Come on mate, with modern oils you should be doing at least > > 50,000:1 in those bloody Maytags!! 8-)) > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > > > >> Here is a handy conversion chart for mixing two stroke fuels. > >> http://www.speed-sports.com/more/oil.html > >> > >> For Aussies, the gallons are Yankee gallons, but the litres work fine. > >> > >> A must for the keen maytag exhibitors ;-))) > >> > >> I run Kaye's 72 twin on 35:1 Castrol TT and have done so since 1999. Just > >> a > >> hint of smoke is good. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 23 13:12:10 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:12:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay Message-ID: <4604349A.7030603@scrtc.com> OK folks, I know this isn't a tractor list but I'm curious if anyone else was following the 330 JD that was on ebay. It was SN330001 and was supposedly the first 330 JD made. I checked this morning and bidding was at $93,000 and change but this afternoon I went to check on it and can't find it. Did anyone else see it? Not sure what happened. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Mar 23 16:37:09 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:37:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios References: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech><000701c76cf8$69abbb60$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070323113619.04833ff0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002201c76da4$2cdfd840$0601a8c0@altech> You are the EVIL ONE, but I still like you ;-)))) Peter, Oz > Hi Peter, try 500:1 and the squeal will stop! > Dave > > At 10:07 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote: >>I did run it at 50:1 but it got a squeal up ;-)) >> >>Peter >> >> >> >> > 35:1 ???? Come on mate, with modern oils you should be doing at least >> > 50,000:1 in those bloody Maytags!! 8-)) >> > >> > See ya, Arnie >> > >> > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: >> > >> >> Here is a handy conversion chart for mixing two stroke fuels. >> >> http://www.speed-sports.com/more/oil.html >> >> >> >> For Aussies, the gallons are Yankee gallons, but the litres work fine. >> >> >> >> A must for the keen maytag exhibitors ;-))) >> >> >> >> I run Kaye's 72 twin on 35:1 Castrol TT and have done so since 1999. >> >> Just >> >> a >> >> hint of smoke is good. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Mar 23 17:50:30 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <4604349A.7030603@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tommy >From the talk on the ATIS JD list, the auction was canceled by ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320093000869 Bidding had hit 104k. Steve --- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK folks, I know this isn't a tractor list but I'm curious if anyone > else was following the 330 JD that was on ebay. It was SN330001 and was > > supposedly the first 330 JD made. I checked this morning and bidding > was at $93,000 and change but this afternoon I went to check on it and > can't find it. Did anyone else see it? Not sure what happened. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 23 18:21:01 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:21:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> Steve, Had it ever hit the reserve? At $93K it hadn't. What is the talk as to why Ebay pulled the listing? Its back and looks exactly the same to me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Tommy > >>From the talk on the ATIS JD list, the auction was canceled by ebay. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320093000869 > >Bidding had hit 104k. > >Steve > >--- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>OK folks, I know this isn't a tractor list but I'm curious if anyone >>else was following the 330 JD that was on ebay. It was SN330001 and was >> >>supposedly the first 330 JD made. I checked this morning and bidding >>was at $93,000 and change but this afternoon I went to check on it and >>can't find it. Did anyone else see it? Not sure what happened. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 21 23:58:23 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:58:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fred Prichard References: <000a01c76bf9$78f80f60$61a1693a@fred> <4602188B.3080503@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000c01c76c4f$7c951630$61a1693a@fred> Hi Tommy, I got his email add.. Thanks. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fred Prichard > Brian, > Fred now lives in Tennessee. I can get his contact info for you if > someone hasn't already gotten it to you. Let me know. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>Hi, >>Can anyone help me with the email address for Fred Prichard ,lives in New >>Hampshire USA. >>Brian and David Watts >>Melbourne >>Australia >>(03) 97266147 >>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat >>briwatt at optusnet.com.au >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release Date: > 21/03/2007 7:52 AM > > From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Mar 23 20:12:59 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:12:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> I don't believe ebay pulled it, I think the seller ended it. If Ebay pulled it the old listing would not be available to see. Mark At 08:21 PM 3/23/07, you wrote: >Steve, > Had it ever hit the reserve? At $93K it hadn't. What is the talk >as to why Ebay pulled the listing? Its back and looks exactly the same >to me. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Tommy > > > >>From the talk on the ATIS JD list, the auction was canceled by ebay. > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320093000869 > > > >Bidding had hit 104k. > > > >Steve > > > >--- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > > > > > >>OK folks, I know this isn't a tractor list but I'm curious if anyone > >>else was following the 330 JD that was on ebay. It was SN330001 and was > >> > >>supposedly the first 330 JD made. I checked this morning and bidding > >>was at $93,000 and change but this afternoon I went to check on it and > >>can't find it. Did anyone else see it? Not sure what happened. > >> > >>Tommy Turner > >>Magnolia, KY > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Mar 23 19:25:16 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:25:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <00b801c76dbb$aa2dd1f0$e869c240@OFFICELEW> It's been relisted; probably a bidding error or something. New item number is 320096405850 Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay I don't believe ebay pulled it, I think the seller ended it. If Ebay pulled it the old listing would not be available to see. Mark At 08:21 PM 3/23/07, you wrote: >Steve, > Had it ever hit the reserve? At $93K it hadn't. What is the talk >as to why Ebay pulled the listing? Its back and looks exactly the same >to me. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Tommy > > > >>From the talk on the ATIS JD list, the auction was canceled by ebay. > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320093000869 > > > >Bidding had hit 104k. > > > >Steve > > > >--- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > > > > > >>OK folks, I know this isn't a tractor list but I'm curious if anyone > >>else was following the 330 JD that was on ebay. It was SN330001 and was > >> > >>supposedly the first 330 JD made. I checked this morning and bidding > >>was at $93,000 and change but this afternoon I went to check on it and > >>can't find it. Did anyone else see it? Not sure what happened. > >> > >>Tommy Turner > >>Magnolia, KY > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/730 - Release Date: 3/22/2007 7:44 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/730 - Release Date: 3/22/2007 7:44 AM From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 23 19:43:01 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:43:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> I contacted the seller and he said it was pulled by ebay as they suspicioned it was a bogus listing since bidding had topped $100K. Ebay put it back up exactly as it was originally except it was begun at the minimum bid again. Looks like they would have put it back where it was taken off (at the $104K mark). ???? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I don't believe ebay pulled it, I think the seller ended it. If Ebay pulled >it the old listing would not be available to see. > Mark > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Mar 23 21:23:35 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:23:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> <46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com> Ok, The seller has the terminology incorrect. Ebay didn't pull the listing they cancelled all bids and ended the sale to start a new sale. From what I've seen If ebay "pulls" a listing its not viewable, its gone. Its eliminated from the files alltogether, or so they say!? I sure hope ebay had solid proof it was a bogus bid as I'd be pissed if they pulled it. Knowing these JD FATGs you never know what they might pay for the Number 1 Tractor of a popular model. But 100K does seem a bit suspicious. But who knows. Less then three hours into the new sale and its already at $8849. If it is whats truely said I wouldn't be any bit surprised at $75K TTYL, Mark At 09:43 PM 3/23/07, you wrote: >I contacted the seller and he said it was pulled by ebay as they >suspicioned it was a bogus listing since bidding had topped $100K. Ebay >put it back up exactly as it was originally except it was begun at the >minimum bid again. Looks like they would have put it back where it was >taken off (at the $104K mark). ???? > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >I don't believe ebay pulled it, I think the seller ended it. If Ebay pulled > >it the old listing would not be available to see. > > Mark > > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 Verizon Cell #419.516.2996 Mark #330.475.4450 Christine From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 24 00:04:59 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:04:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> Anyone got a link to the auction?? Peter, Oz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Mar 24 00:15:25 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:15:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070324071509.NWTW8812.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320096405850 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Anyone got a link to the auction?? Peter, Oz From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Mar 24 01:23:20 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:23:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> <46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com> <001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Pedter, Try: 320096405850 Dave At 02:04 AM 3/24/2007, you wrote: >Anyone got a link to the auction?? > >Peter, Oz From shop at cccomm.net Sat Mar 24 07:34:51 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:34:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Attention Sir Dave; This item on ebay needs your immediate attention!!!!!! 140098806337 Dave in Nevada From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 24 08:57:05 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:57:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel In-Reply-To: <002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net> <002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: Damn! Put an axe in THAT and it would REALLY hurt!! 8-)) On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, Dave Ernst wrote: > Attention Sir Dave; > This item on ebay needs your immediate attention!!!!!! > 140098806337 From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 24 15:26:23 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:26:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech><6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net><002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> Finally someone has some sense, the ultimate engine accessory, a must have in your next Christmas stocking ;-)) Pete, Oz > Damn! Put an axe in THAT and it would REALLY hurt!! 8-)) > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, Dave Ernst wrote: > >> Attention Sir Dave; >> This item on ebay needs your immediate attention!!!!!! >> 140098806337 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Mar 24 17:56:24 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:56:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay Message-ID: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> OK folks, the 330 JD on ebay just hit $100,000. Still hasn't met the reserve........ It will be interesting to see where this thing ends up. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 24 18:02:43 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:02:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> I hate this idea of hiding the bidders ID, I used to like contacting other bidders and ask questions about what they collect etc. We now also cannot see who is pushing who, does Ebay still keep a track of sellers bumping their own bids.?? Peter, Oz > OK folks, the 330 JD on ebay just hit $100,000. Still hasn't met the > reserve........ It will be interesting to see where this thing ends up. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sat Mar 24 18:09:21 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:09:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay In-Reply-To: <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <005601c76e7a$39687140$e869c240@OFFICELEW> Hey Peter I've noticed over the last few weeks most EBay auctions in the several hundred dollar (or more) range are set up this way. Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- I hate this idea of hiding the bidders ID, I used to like contacting other bidders and ask questions about what they collect etc. We now also cannot see who is pushing who, does Ebay still keep a track of sellers bumping their own bids.?? Peter, Oz -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: 3/23/2007 3:27 PM From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Mar 24 19:13:48 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:13:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay In-Reply-To: <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070324211100.02ee1030@pop3.wcoil.com> Knowing Ebay and their thirst for money I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't care if folks are bidding their own stuff up, they make more money on the final value fees. Mark, Ohio At 08:02 PM 3/24/07, you wrote: >I hate this idea of hiding the bidders ID, I used to like contacting other >bidders and ask questions about what they collect etc. >We now also cannot see who is pushing who, does Ebay still keep a track of >sellers bumping their own bids.?? > >Peter, Oz Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 24 18:32:17 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:32:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com><000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.2.1.2.1.20070324211100.02ee1030@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <001701c76e7d$6ca2e290$0601a8c0@altech> Here they have changed the "For Sale" page so you can't type in key search words anymore. The old way of selling is still hidden if you know where it is, but they are closing it down. The only ones that get rich are not the sellers!! Peter, Oz > Knowing Ebay and their thirst for money I wouldn't be suprised if they > didn't care if folks are bidding their own stuff up, they make more money > on the final value fees. Mark, Ohio > > > At 08:02 PM 3/24/07, you wrote: >>I hate this idea of hiding the bidders ID, I used to like contacting other >>bidders and ask questions about what they collect etc. >>We now also cannot see who is pushing who, does Ebay still keep a track of >>sellers bumping their own bids.?? >> >>Peter, Oz > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > Phone > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if > possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 01:51:07 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:51:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay In-Reply-To: <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6f6025160703250151m4a7ce440ybea1336746817147@mail.gmail.com> On 25/03/07, Peter Lowe wrote: > I hate this idea of hiding the bidders ID, I used to like contacting other > bidders and ask questions about what they collect etc. > We now also cannot see who is pushing who, does Ebay still keep a track of > sellers bumping their own bids.?? > > Peter, Oz > It is now standard on auctions over ?100 in the UK and equivalent amounts in other regions. Ebay say that it is to prevent people contacting bidders with false/scam items, but like you, I much prefer to see who is in the bidding etc. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 01:52:53 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:52:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay In-Reply-To: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160703250152h5939c9b0o3595523bd33ef7c0@mail.gmail.com> On 25/03/07, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK folks, the 330 JD on ebay just hit $100,000. Still hasn't met the > reserve........ It will be interesting to see where this thing ends up. > > Tommy Turner There are certainly some deep pockets out there.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Mar 25 03:02:27 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:02:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> <46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com> <001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070325200055.01e517e0@ncable.com.au> Shit I've lost my number punches, Im sure my tractor can be made number two!,, ........... where's the green paint! At 06:23 PM 24/03/2007, you wrote: >Hi Pedter, Try: 320096405850 > Dave > >At 02:04 AM 3/24/2007, you wrote: > >Anyone got a link to the auction?? > > > >Peter, Oz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Mar 25 06:49:28 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:49:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070325200055.01e517e0@ncable.com.au> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> <46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com> <001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070325200055.01e517e0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070325084801.02ee7680@pop3.wcoil.com> Ahh coming in #2 is like loosing a game mate, Might as well just sell it to me for scrap, thats all a #2s worth, GRINNNN Mark, Ohio At 05:02 AM 3/25/07, you wrote: >Shit I've lost my number punches, Im sure my tractor can be made >number two!,, ........... where's the green paint! > > >At 06:23 PM 24/03/2007, you wrote: > >Hi Pedter, Try: 320096405850 > > Dave > > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Mar 25 06:51:56 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:51:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay In-Reply-To: <6f6025160703250151m4a7ce440ybea1336746817147@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> <6f6025160703250151m4a7ce440ybea1336746817147@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070325085024.02eeae50@pop3.wcoil.com> Now that you mention it the number of scam emails do seem to have been going down lately. Time will tell. Mark, Ohio >Ebay say that it is to prevent people contacting bidders with >false/scam items, but like you, I much prefer to see who is in the >bidding etc. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 25 06:40:24 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:40:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX Message-ID: <001001c76ee3$24498ce0$336d4b47@mikecomp> The real money was in Texas this weekend with over 400 bidders and lots of treasures. The big winner was the 12 horse horizontal hopper cooled Reeves on the original cart, hammered down at $22,000. Some of the other figures were: New Way 1hp $2000 Famous 4hp 3000 Monitor 1hp 3000 Famous 6hp 7100 Air Cooled Engine Co 3600 Olds 3hp 3200 R & V 6hp 900 Barber 3100 Reeves 2hp 3300 Ball Top Monitor, 4hp 4500 " " " 7hp 5000 " " " 2hp 3000 Mogul 2.5hp 4250 Foos Jr, tank cooled, 2hp 3200 New Holland 5hp 6000 Hercules 9hp on original truck 4800 Fluted Hopper Aeromotor, 2.5hp, 8800 (Have Mercy!) It was a good auction and well run, pics to follow. Mike Royster From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 25 08:32:34 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:32:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX In-Reply-To: <001001c76ee3$24498ce0$336d4b47@mikecomp> References: <001001c76ee3$24498ce0$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: Hiya Mike, And which ones can we look forward to seeing in your display at Portland? It sure would be interesting to see you showing the 12 hp and the 2 hp Reeves in the same display. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Its easy to see which Cloistered Oyster is in the oil bidness... 8-)) On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Mike Royster wrote: > The real money was in Texas this weekend with over 400 bidders and lots > of treasures. The big winner was the 12 horse horizontal hopper cooled > Reeves on the original cart, hammered down at $22,000. Some of the > other figures were: > > New Way 1hp $2000 > Famous 4hp 3000 > Monitor 1hp 3000 > Famous 6hp 7100 > Air Cooled Engine Co 3600 > Olds 3hp 3200 > R & V 6hp 900 > Barber 3100 > Reeves 2hp 3300 > Ball Top Monitor, 4hp 4500 > " " " 7hp 5000 > " " " 2hp 3000 > Mogul 2.5hp 4250 > Foos Jr, tank cooled, 2hp 3200 > New Holland 5hp 6000 > Hercules 9hp on original truck 4800 > Fluted Hopper Aeromotor, 2.5hp, 8800 (Have Mercy!) > > It was a good auction and well run, pics to follow. From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 25 08:07:30 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:07:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX References: <001001c76ee3$24498ce0$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <000f01c76eef$4f3522f0$336d4b47@mikecomp> Oh you know me, I took a vow of engine poverty until you restore that Fero compressor I found for you some 6-10 years ago! How's that project going, are you still getting you mind "wrapped around it" first? I meant to get the big Reeves but I only had $21,999 on me . Dang I wish I hadn't bought that "happy meal" the night before! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX > Hiya Mike, > > And which ones can we look forward to seeing in your display at Portland? > It sure would be interesting to see you showing the 12 hp and the 2 hp > Reeves in the same display. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Its easy to see which Cloistered Oyster is in the oil bidness... > 8-)) > > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Mike Royster wrote: > >> The real money was in Texas this weekend with over 400 bidders and lots >> of treasures. The big winner was the 12 horse horizontal hopper cooled >> Reeves on the original cart, hammered down at $22,000. Some of the >> other figures were: >> >> New Way 1hp $2000 >> Famous 4hp 3000 >> Monitor 1hp 3000 >> Famous 6hp 7100 >> Air Cooled Engine Co 3600 >> Olds 3hp 3200 >> R & V 6hp 900 >> Barber 3100 >> Reeves 2hp 3300 >> Ball Top Monitor, 4hp 4500 >> " " " 7hp 5000 >> " " " 2hp 3000 >> Mogul 2.5hp 4250 >> Foos Jr, tank cooled, 2hp 3200 >> New Holland 5hp 6000 >> Hercules 9hp on original truck 4800 >> Fluted Hopper Aeromotor, 2.5hp, 8800 (Have Mercy!) >> >> It was a good auction and well run, pics to follow. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 10:36:45 2007 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:36:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie, Mike can't share with you yet which ones he brought home as he hasn't presented me my birthday engine yet! I'll be sure and bring whatever he gives me to Portland though! The poor Coistered Oyster, Steve >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX >Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:32:34 -0500 (EST) > >Hiya Mike, > >And which ones can we look forward to seeing in your display at Portland? >It sure would be interesting to see you showing the 12 hp and the 2 hp >Reeves in the same display. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Its easy to see which Cloistered Oyster is in the oil bidness... >8-)) > >On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Mike Royster wrote: > > > The real money was in Texas this weekend with over 400 bidders and lots > > of treasures. The big winner was the 12 horse horizontal hopper cooled > > Reeves on the original cart, hammered down at $22,000. Some of the > > other figures were: > > > > New Way 1hp $2000 > > Famous 4hp 3000 > > Monitor 1hp 3000 > > Famous 6hp 7100 > > Air Cooled Engine Co 3600 > > Olds 3hp 3200 > > R & V 6hp 900 > > Barber 3100 > > Reeves 2hp 3300 > > Ball Top Monitor, 4hp 4500 > > " " " 7hp 5000 > > " " " 2hp 3000 > > Mogul 2.5hp 4250 > > Foos Jr, tank cooled, 2hp 3200 > > New Holland 5hp 6000 > > Hercules 9hp on original truck 4800 > > Fluted Hopper Aeromotor, 2.5hp, 8800 (Have Mercy!) > > > > It was a good auction and well run, pics to follow. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ 5.5%* 30 year fixed mortgage rate. Good credit refinance. Up to 5 free quotes - *Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5d&s=4056&p=5117&disc=y&vers=910 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 25 11:53:16 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:53:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, It must be SOOOO nice to have such a sweet, generous, thoughtful, RICH brother. Bless his heart! See ya, Arnie On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Steve Royster wrote: > Arnie, Mike can't share with you yet which ones he brought home as he > hasn't presented me my birthday engine yet! I'll be sure and bring whatever > he gives me to Portland though! The poor Coistered Oyster, Steve > > >From: Arnie Fero > > > >And which ones can we look forward to seeing in your display at Portland? > >It sure would be interesting to see you showing the 12 hp and the 2 hp > >Reeves in the same display. 8-)) From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 25 11:22:35 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:22:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX References: Message-ID: <000601c76f0a$8fc35dd0$336d4b47@mikecomp> It's like having a twin!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX > Steve, > > It must be SOOOO nice to have such a sweet, generous, thoughtful, RICH > brother. Bless his heart! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Steve Royster wrote: > >> Arnie, Mike can't share with you yet which ones he brought home as he >> hasn't presented me my birthday engine yet! I'll be sure and bring >> whatever >> he gives me to Portland though! The poor Coistered Oyster, Steve >> >> >From: Arnie Fero >> > >> >And which ones can we look forward to seeing in your display at >> >Portland? >> >It sure would be interesting to see you showing the 12 hp and the 2 hp >> >Reeves in the same display. 8-)) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 26 05:22:36 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:22:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Indian "Lister" Engines Message-ID: <001101c76fa1$73be5620$e5c30b52@no1> The following site was quoted on the English list. http://www.stationaryengineparts.com/ On the first page is a little video showing how good the engine balance is nowadays. Looks very steady to me! PS I haven't dealt with the firm so this isn't a recomendation. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 26 12:09:21 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? In-Reply-To: <000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech><6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net><002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <3441.165.206.180.53.1174936161.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Is it me or is this thing on? Nothing for since last night... Holler if you do not get this. Bill From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Mar 26 13:15:56 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:15:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? Message-ID: <20070326.121556.356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Bill. I didn't get it. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) bill at antique-engines.com writes: > Is it me or is this thing on? > Nothing for since last night... > > Holler if you do not get this. > > > Bill > From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Mar 26 17:32:43 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:32:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech><6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net><002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> <3441.165.206.180.53.1174936161.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <000d01c77007$701d5140$6500a8c0@home> Me didn't get it too Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? > Is it me or is this thing on? > Nothing for since last night... > > Holler if you do not get this. > > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Mar 26 17:34:25 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:34:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? References: <20070326.121556.356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001201c77007$ac4259e0$6500a8c0@home> I think everyone's out trying to scrape up enough money to buy a 330 JD ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? > Hi Bill. > I didn't get it. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) bill at antique-engines.com writes: >> Is it me or is this thing on? >> Nothing for since last night... >> >> Holler if you do not get this. >> >> >> Bill >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From John.Eaton at ns.sympatico.ca Mon Mar 26 17:49:53 2007 From: John.Eaton at ns.sympatico.ca (JOHN EATON) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:49:53 -0300 Subject: [SEL] My "FAULTLESS" frustration Message-ID: I have a George B Miller Faultless 2 hp hit and miss engine. I believe they made a lot of these but I am having trouble finding parts. I am looking for an ignitor and pick finger for my engine which may also have been a Neward or John M. Smyth or Joliet or Revonoc or possibly one of several others. The details and dimensions of the Miller engine oval shape ignitor body follow; ignitor studs are 3/8? diameter on 2 ?? centers on the 2HP. Point housing insert tapers from 1 5/8? to 1 ?? diameter, Any information or help would be appreciated From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 17:55:55 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:55:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design Message-ID: <01b201c7700a$ae4e0100$240110ac@FAMILY> I am now getting ready to start the construction of my cart for my 5 HP 1905 Vertical Stover and I will be using 4" X 6" Oak Beams for the construction. I have been trying to figure out how best to build the 5th wheel (front bolster) so that the front axle will pivot up and down as well as side from side. I have come up with this rough design and drawing. This is a very rough drawing but please tell me what your thoughts are. I want and solicit your comments before I go and ruin a lot of oak. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartDesign.jpg Paul From john.eaton at ns.sympatico.ca Mon Mar 26 18:14:11 2007 From: john.eaton at ns.sympatico.ca (JOHN EATON) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:14:11 -0300 Subject: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design In-Reply-To: <01b201c7700a$ae4e0100$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <01b201c7700a$ae4e0100$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: I haven't built any carts but I have fixed up a couple of orchard sprayers and this drawing seems to be fine although my sprayer wagons did not have the pivot pin. They just flex. Looks good to me On 26-Mar-07, at 9:55 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > I am now getting ready to start the construction of my cart for my > 5 HP 1905 Vertical Stover and I will be using 4" X 6" Oak Beams for > the construction. I have been trying to figure out how best to > build the 5th wheel (front bolster) so that the front axle will > pivot up and down as well as side from side. I have come up with > this rough design and drawing. This is a very rough drawing but > please tell me what your thoughts are. I want and solicit your > comments before I go and ruin a lot of oak. > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartDesign.jpg > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 18:23:48 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:23:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design References: <01b201c7700a$ae4e0100$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <01eb01c7700e$931e2d70$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks John for the comment. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN EATON" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design >I haven't built any carts but I have fixed up a couple of orchard > sprayers and this drawing seems to be fine although my sprayer wagons > did not have the pivot pin. They just flex. Looks good to me > On 26-Mar-07, at 9:55 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> I am now getting ready to start the construction of my cart for my >> 5 HP 1905 Vertical Stover and I will be using 4" X 6" Oak Beams for >> the construction. I have been trying to figure out how best to >> build the 5th wheel (front bolster) so that the front axle will >> pivot up and down as well as side from side. I have come up with >> this rough design and drawing. This is a very rough drawing but >> From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 26 18:25:56 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:25:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? Message-ID: <20070326.202601.620.0.jlb94@juno.com> I don't get it ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " When happiness shows up give it a comfortable seat". (_o_) From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 26 18:30:39 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:30:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? In-Reply-To: <20070326.202601.620.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000301c7700f$8997b630$8500a8c0@sheeba> Wow, I guess nobody's email is working today. Bummer! Thanks, guess everyone was just busy doing fun stuff. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Joseph L Betz [mailto:jlb94 at juno.com] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:26 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? I don't get it ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " When happiness shows up give it a comfortable seat". (_o_) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bdb at mchsi.com Mon Mar 26 18:54:07 2007 From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:54:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech><6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net><002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> <3441.165.206.180.53.1174936161.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002d01c77012$ce5e0960$5cd5d20c@VALUED20606295> Bill, I got it but it was in Chinese ! Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? > Is it me or is this thing on? > Nothing for since last night... > > Holler if you do not get this. > > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 26 19:37:04 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:37:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Message-ID: <00cc01c77018$cf64e350$61a1693a@fred> Can anyone help me locate a collector who has a genuine 4Hp Single Flywheel Blackstone. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 20:17:44 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:17:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel Message-ID: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he done a pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of the wheels has a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood and hit it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so probably it might be best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to crack it. Here is some pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg Paul From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Mar 26 20:23:51 2007 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:23:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Message-ID: <410-2200732273235115@earthlink.net> I have a friend that has one but I am not sure of the hp, the flywheel is about 4' in dia. or a bit bigger. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Brian Watts > To: > Date: 3/27/2007 5:37:13 PM > Subject: [SEL] Blackstone > > Can anyone help me locate a collector who has a genuine 4Hp Single Flywheel Blackstone. > Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03) 97266147 > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 3/26/2007 2:31 PM From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Mar 26 20:27:09 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (garyepps at fidnet.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:27:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Paul, That's not bent very bad. If it was mine I would just put a block of wood under it and tap it back in place with a hammer. If you put a block of wood between the hammer and the spoke you won't leave any hammer marks on the spoke. Gary "Paul Maples" wrote: > I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he done a > pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of the wheels has > a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. > > What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood and hit > it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so probably it might be > best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to crack it. Here is some > pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Mar 26 20:27:43 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:27:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design In-Reply-To: <01b201c7700a$ae4e0100$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <200703270328.l2R3Rsvj082894@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design I am now getting ready to start the construction of my cart for my 5 HP 1905 Vertical Stover and I will be using 4" X 6" Oak Beams for the construction. I have been trying to figure out how best to build the 5th wheel (front bolster) so that the front axle will pivot up and down as well as side from side. I have come up with this rough design and drawing. This is a very rough drawing but please tell me what your thoughts are. I want and solicit your comments before I go and ruin a lot of oak. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartDesign.jpg Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~ It looks as if it should work, Paul. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 20:34:35 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:34:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <029401c77020$d7a6dd90$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Gary, I am not sure how much pressure it would take to knock it back in line and I sure do not want to crack it if it is fragile from years of stress. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > Paul, > > That's not bent very bad. If it was mine I would just put a block of wood > under it and tap it back in place with a hammer. If you put a block of > wood > between the hammer and the spoke you won't leave any hammer marks on the > spoke. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 20:36:29 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:36:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design References: <200703270328.l2R3Rsvj082894@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <029901c77021$1bed59c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Orrin, I never have built a cart and I know that a lot of you folks have so you folks are in a better position than I to know if the selected metal thicknesses are sufficient. I appreciate the response. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > It looks as if it should work, Paul. > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Mar 26 20:39:29 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:39:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <200703270339.l2R3dem2094951@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he done a pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of the wheels has a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood and hit it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so probably it might be best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to crack it. Here is some pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul, any number of methods are likely to get the job done. It's not as if there's only one right way to do it. I've straightened spokes bent like yours and have done it cold. I just placed a heavy hunk of iron (think anvil or bucking bar) behind the spoke with the bend pointing away from it. Then, give the bend a good whack with a heavy hammer, one on the order of two pounds. The bucking bar will keep the hammer from putting a reverse bend in the spoke. After you've straightened it out, you may want to abrasive blast the hammer marks. They'll have a slightly different surface texture that may be obvious after it's all painted. I would not try heating the bend. If you do, the hammer blow might flatten the spoke. If it refuses to straighten cold and you *must* heat it, use a block of wood between the hammer and the spoke. Good luck. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 26 20:45:21 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:45:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] YA STOVER Message-ID: <002501c77022$5929d060$7a526c3a@Edd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el3X5YOhvCQ I have put the above link on UTube.It is of my YA Stover 2HP that I have just got. EDD PAYN PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 20:48:30 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:48:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <200703270339.l2R3dem2094951@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <02af01c77022$c98e3e90$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Orrin for the input, it is appreciated. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > > Paul, any number of methods are likely to get the job done. It's not as > if > there's only one right way to do it. > > I've straightened spokes bent like yours and have done it cold. I just > placed a heavy hunk of iron (think anvil or bucking bar) behind the spoke > with the bend pointing away from it. Then, give the bend a good whack > with > a heavy hammer, one on the order of two pounds. The bucking bar will keep > the hammer from putting a reverse bend in the spoke. > > After you've straightened it out, you may want to abrasive blast the > hammer > marks. They'll have a slightly different surface texture that may be > obvious after it's all painted. > > I would not try heating the bend. If you do, the hammer blow might > flatten > the spoke. If it refuses to straighten cold and you *must* heat it, use a > block of wood between the hammer and the spoke. > > Good luck. > > Orrin > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 21:52:23 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:52:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] YA STOVER References: <002501c77022$5929d060$7a526c3a@Edd> Message-ID: <02c801c7702b$b6254930$240110ac@FAMILY> Love it Edd!!, Great engine and a nice video. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: [SEL] YA STOVER > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el3X5YOhvCQ > I have put the above link on UTube.It is of my YA Stover 2HP that I have > just got. > > EDD PAYN > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 27 04:23:12 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? In-Reply-To: <002d01c77012$ce5e0960$5cd5d20c@VALUED20606295> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech><6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net><002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> <3441.165.206.180.53.1174936161.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <002d01c77012$ce5e0960$5cd5d20c@VALUED20606295> Message-ID: <2806.165.206.180.53.1174994592.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Ah, so it made it around the world! Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1982 Eagle SX/4 coming soon http://theamcpages.com > Bill, I got it but it was in Chinese ! > > Barry D Buchanan > 410 S. Moore > Ottumwa, IA. 52501 > > When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look > like a nail. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:09 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? > > >> Is it me or is this thing on? >> Nothing for since last night... >> >> Holler if you do not get this. >> >> >> Bill From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 27 04:46:27 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:46:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <46090413.8070609@imc-group.com> Paul, You are over worrying this task. Grab a BFH and give it a good rap and it will straighten right out. If I have one real bad I'll lay the spoke across a good sized anvil. You can then rock along the spoke as you hammer on it. The hammer dings add character! Actually they will hardly be noticeable but it you are worried about this use a brass or babbitt hammer. Guess you are planning on painting these. I've been spraying 2 art paint direct on blasted wheels, eliminating the primer step. Have had no rust problems with this method. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Paul Maples wrote: > I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he done a pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of the wheels has a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. > > What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood and hit it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so probably it might be best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to crack it. Here is some pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 27 04:59:30 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <46090413.8070609@imc-group.com> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46090413.8070609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <3296.165.206.180.53.1174996770.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I bet it takes less to straighten it than you would imagine. It should not be brittle, and you have not got that far to bend it. The ideas presented are ones I've used a number of time, plus: Get some aluminum to act at a "pad" and place it around the spoke. Put a pipe wrench over the spoke and push sideways on the wrench - it's possible you can simply bend it back this way. I've done as much straightening with pipe wrenches as I have taken pipes loose. It's one reason I have the long heavy wrenches I do....... I'm not a plumber. The aluminum will protect the spoke from the serrated jaws of the wrench. You are using it as a lever to "push" down on the bend. This method CAN lead to a bend in the wrong place if not done carefully or the wrench is placed in the wrong spot. But the hammer method is more accurate and directed. That's where I'd start in this case. I'd back it up with a small chunk of rail (train track type rail) I keep on hand for such occasions. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1981 Eagle SX/4 coming soon http://theamcpages.com > Paul, > You are over worrying this task. Grab a BFH and give it a good rap and > it will straighten right out. If I have one real bad I'll lay the spoke > across a good sized anvil. You can then rock along the spoke as you > hammer on it. The hammer dings add character! Actually they will hardly > be noticeable but it you are worried about this use a brass or babbitt > hammer. Guess you are planning on painting these. I've been spraying 2 > art paint direct on blasted wheels, eliminating the primer step. Have > had no rust problems with this method. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Paul Maples wrote: >> I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he >> done a pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of >> the wheels has a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. >> >> What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood >> and hit it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so >> probably it might be best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to >> crack it. Here is some pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg >> >> Paul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Mar 27 05:30:30 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (garyepps at fidnet.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:30:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <029401c77020$d7a6dd90$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <029401c77020$d7a6dd90$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Like others have said, just use the hammer and you should be alright. If you think the metal has crystalized so much that it is brittle enough to break, you'd better not put a valued engine on the cart. Just send it on up to Theodosia and I'll store it in an out of the way place for you. By the way you might want to paint it a dark green before you send it up here. Gary "Paul Maples" wrote: > Thanks Gary, I am not sure how much pressure it would take to knock it back > in line and I sure do not want to crack it if it is fragile from years of > stress. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > > > Paul, > > > > That's not bent very bad. If it was mine I would just put a block of wood > > under it and tap it back in place with a hammer. If you put a block of > > wood > > between the hammer and the spoke you won't leave any hammer marks on the > > spoke. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com From john.eaton at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Mar 27 06:24:58 2007 From: john.eaton at ns.sympatico.ca (JOHN EATON) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:24:58 -0300 Subject: [SEL] OT - Can you help me Bill?--is this thing on? In-Reply-To: <2806.165.206.180.53.1174994592.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech><6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net><002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> <3441.165.206.180.53.1174936161.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <002d01c77012$ce5e0960$5cd5d20c@VALUED20606295> <2806.165.206.180.53.1174994592.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <168F3386-E134-441A-A8B8-AC7E5A1E25B2@ns.sympatico.ca> Hi Bill , I have this engine that was probably cast in Waterloo and I was wondering if you might know someone who knows something about the Faultless engine by George Miller of the Waterloo Engine Co that made Waterloo Engines that eventually became John Deere. Somebody must collect these pieces of antique machinery in your area. The factory claimed to make hundreds per day, seven days a week. Can you help me out? On 27-Mar-07, at 8:23 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Ah, so it made it around the world! > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History > http://antique-engines.com > 1970 Javelin > 1982 Eagle SX/4 coming soon > http://theamcpages.com > > >> Bill, I got it but it was in Chinese ! >> >> Barry D Buchanan >> 410 S. Moore >> Ottumwa, IA. 52501 >> >> When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look >> like a nail. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:09 PM >> Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? >> >> >>> Is it me or is this thing on? >>> Nothing for since last night... >>> >>> Holler if you do not get this. >>> >>> >>> Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 27 06:50:04 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <029401c77020$d7a6dd90$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <1384.165.206.180.53.1175003404.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Sly, Gary, very sly........... You have a scrap yard for such junk, eh? BTW - nice cart. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1981 Eagle SX/4 coming soon http://theamcpages.com > Like others have said, just use the hammer and you should be alright. If > you > think the metal has crystalized so much that it is brittle enough to > break, > you'd better not put a valued engine on the cart. Just send it on up to > Theodosia and I'll store it in an out of the way place for you. By the > way > you might want to paint it a dark green before you send it up here. > > Gary > > > "Paul Maples" wrote: > >> Thanks Gary, I am not sure how much pressure it would take to knock it >> back > >> in line and I sure do not want to crack it if it is fragile from years >> of >> stress. >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel >> >> >> > Paul, >> > >> > That's not bent very bad. If it was mine I would just put a block of > wood >> > under it and tap it back in place with a hammer. If you put a block >> of >> > wood >> > between the hammer and the spoke you won't leave any hammer marks on >> the >> > spoke. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Mar 27 07:13:33 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:13:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Paul, What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that clamps on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. Jim Jim and Diane Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he done a pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of the wheels has a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood and hit it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so probably it might be best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to crack it. Here is some pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 27 08:05:14 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:05:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > Paul, > > What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that > clamps > on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent > place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. > > Jim Hi Jim, Having a wobbly wheel with a bent spoke, this thread is of particular interest to me. This morning I called the Acme company's sales department, and their Model J-12 spoke straightener is in stock. After explaining that I heard of their product from an internationally recognized group of stationary engine collectors, they suggested that we could get their "volume discount" for an order of ten or more units. Can I put you down for one? From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 27 09:18:10 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:18:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Rob, I think I've told you about my single axle trailer built on a mobile home axle and that its a rough riding sumbitch. Well, as a result of jouncing from show to show, most of my engine carts now exhibit bent-spoke wheels. Put me down for one of those Model J-12 Acme Spoke Straighteners. Be sure to include the pressure tables. Thanks!! See ya, Arnie On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > > What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that > > clamps on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent > > place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. > > Having a wobbly wheel with a bent spoke, this thread is of particular > interest to me. This morning I called the Acme company's sales > department, and their Model J-12 spoke straightener is in stock. > After explaining that I heard of their product from an > internationally recognized group of stationary engine collectors, > they suggested that we could get their "volume discount" for an order > of ten or more units. Can I put you down for one? From oldironnut at alltel.net Tue Mar 27 08:29:10 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:29:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: >I think I've told you about my single axle trailer built on a mobile home >axle and that its a rough riding sumbitch. Well, as a result of jouncing >from show to show, most of my engine carts now exhibit bent-spoke wheels. > >Put me down for one of those Model J-12 Acme Spoke Straighteners. Be sure >to include the pressure tables. Thanks!! Rob, For Arnie, be sure to also get the optional J-12 Stroke 69-69-69-666 cart axle straightener. Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 27 08:31:19 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:31:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY><008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <000d01c77084$f8bb58d0$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: >> Paul, >> What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that >> clamps >> on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent >> place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. >> Jim > > Hi Jim, > Having a wobbly wheel with a bent spoke, this thread is of particular > interest to me. This morning I called the Acme company's sales > department, and their Model J-12 spoke straightener is in stock. > After explaining that I heard of their product from an > internationally recognized group of stationary engine collectors, > they suggested that we could get their "volume discount" for an order > of ten or more units. Can I put you down for one? Hi Rob, Are Acme devices safe to use? See http://www.rvc.cc.il.us/faclink/pruckman/humor/acme.htm This is a court case from a dis-satified user. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Mar 27 08:34:42 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:34:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel Message-ID: <380-220073227153442468@coastalnet.com> Paul, All kidding aside, you can probably use a little ingenuity to make a straightener similar to one shown on this page: http://www.specialtymotorcams.com/pages/products.html Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Rob Skinner > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/27/2007 11:06:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > > On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > > > Paul, > > > > What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that > > clamps > > on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent > > place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. > > > > Jim > > > Hi Jim, > Having a wobbly wheel with a bent spoke, this thread is of particular > interest to me. This morning I called the Acme company's sales > department, and their Model J-12 spoke straightener is in stock. > After explaining that I heard of their product from an > internationally recognized group of stationary engine collectors, > they suggested that we could get their "volume discount" for an order > of ten or more units. Can I put you down for one? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 27 08:35:31 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:35:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Will one of these spoke straightening units work if the spoke is bent at the hub? If so, put me down for one. If the pressure tables cost extra I don't want one. Arnie can copy his and mail it to me! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========== >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:18:10 -0500 (EST) > >Rob, > >I think I've told you about my single axle trailer built on a mobile home >axle and that its a rough riding sumbitch. Well, as a result of jouncing >from show to show, most of my engine carts now exhibit bent-spoke wheels. > >Put me down for one of those Model J-12 Acme Spoke Straighteners. Be sure >to include the pressure tables. Thanks!! > >See ya, Arnie > >On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > > > What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that > > > clamps on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent > > > place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. > > > > Having a wobbly wheel with a bent spoke, this thread is of particular > > interest to me. This morning I called the Acme company's sales > > department, and their Model J-12 spoke straightener is in stock. > > After explaining that I heard of their product from an > > internationally recognized group of stationary engine collectors, > > they suggested that we could get their "volume discount" for an order > > of ten or more units. Can I put you down for one? _________________________________________________________________ 5.5%* 30 year fixed mortgage rate. Good credit refinance. Up to 5 free quotes - *Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5d&s=4056&p=5117&disc=y&vers=910 From glenn.karch at verizon.net Tue Mar 27 10:11:28 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:11:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <001c01c77092$f6ac4690$5efb123f@D8LJ7K91> To all, Dumb me. I've been smacking bent spokes with a plain Acme hammer until they look right. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > Paul, > > What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that clamps > on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent > place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane > Hemet, CA , U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:17 PM > Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > > I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he > done a pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of the > wheels has a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. > > What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood and > hit it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so probably it > might be best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to crack it. Here > is > some pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 27 11:05:28 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:05:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <001c01c77092$f6ac4690$5efb123f@D8LJ7K91> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <001c01c77092$f6ac4690$5efb123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <46095CE8.5020108@imc-group.com> Glenn, That's because you only got the basic Acme mechanic'ing kit. If you'll upgrade to the Acme deluxe kit., the options will include the spoke straightener, spoke rounder, and spoke stretcher. You'll be the envy of Haubstadt! Curt Glenn Karch wrote: > To all, > > Dumb me. I've been smacking bent spokes with a plain Acme hammer until they > look right. > > Glenn Karch > Hercules Historian > Haubstadt, Indiana, USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Diane" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > > >> Paul, >> >> What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that clamps >> on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent >> place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. >> >> From oldengin at verizon.net Tue Mar 27 11:42:24 2007 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:42:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: Message-ID: <003601c7709f$a9f2a170$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> I have four wheels that are spoked, about 15 inch dia and will the straightener work on "S" type spokes? If so I am interested in one. PS I will not need the tables as I will take Arnies as he sleeps along the river bank in Findlay Leroy From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 27 12:16:36 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:16:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46090413.8070609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005a01c770a4$712cd720$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Curt, as always I appreciate your responses and suggestions. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > Paul, > You are over worrying this task. Grab a BFH and give it a good rap and > it will straighten right out. If I have one real bad I'll lay the spoke > across a good sized anvil. You can then rock along the spoke as you > hammer on it. The hammer dings add character! Actually they will hardly > be noticeable but it you are worried about this use a brass or babbitt > hammer. Guess you are planning on painting these. I've been spraying 2 > art paint direct on blasted wheels, eliminating the primer step. Have > had no rust problems with this method. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 27 12:22:42 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:22:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY><008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <008201c770a5$4b64a3f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Rob how much are they? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > >> Paul, >> >> What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that >> clamps >> on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent >> place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. >> >> Jim > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Mar 27 14:03:26 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:03:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine cart Message-ID: <001001c770b3$5d711f20$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all There was someone out there in engine land making repro carts for small R&V engines, if this is still happening can you please contact me. I have a number of orders from register members. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 27 15:29:47 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:29:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <008201c770a5$4b64a3f0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY><008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> <008201c770a5$4b64a3f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <2F5DE33C-2A84-4D7D-8638-3FC7AB12D757@rustyiron.com> On Mar 27, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Rob how much are they? > > Paul $6.66 apiece, or a dozen for $69.69 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 27 16:40:24 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:40:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <2F5DE33C-2A84-4D7D-8638-3FC7AB12D757@rustyiron.com> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> <008201c770a5$4b64a3f0$240110ac@FAMILY> <2F5DE33C-2A84-4D7D-8638-3FC7AB12D757@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070327183932.04cddc68@mail.alltel.net> >On Mar 27, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > > Rob how much are they? > > > > Paul > >$6.66 apiece, or a dozen for $69.69 The numbers look good Rob. Put me down for a dozen! Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 27 16:38:32 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:38:32 EDT Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/2007 6:33:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: $6.66 apiece, or a dozen for $69.69 As I like to own one of every tool especially unique ones, put me down for one too. Price does not matter! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 27 16:51:11 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:51:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY><008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm><003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com><008201c770a5$4b64a3f0$240110ac@FAMILY> <2F5DE33C-2A84-4D7D-8638-3FC7AB12D757@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <011f01c770ca$ccc9f240$240110ac@FAMILY> Rob I will take one. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > > > On Mar 27, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Rob how much are they? >> >> Paul > > > $6.66 apiece, or a dozen for $69.69 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Mar 27 20:38:35 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (garyepps at fidnet.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:38:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <1384.165.206.180.53.1175003404.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <029401c77020$d7a6dd90$240110ac@FAMILY> <1384.165.206.180.53.1175003404.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Bill, I can find a place to store it if it will help a brother collector. I can even camouflage under one of my engines... Gary bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Sly, Gary, very sly........... > You have a scrap yard for such junk, eh? > > BTW - nice cart. > > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History > http://antique-engines.com > 1970 Javelin > 1981 Eagle SX/4 coming soon > http://theamcpages.com > > > > Like others have said, just use the hammer and you should be alright. If > > you > > think the metal has crystalized so much that it is brittle enough to > > break, > > you'd better not put a valued engine on the cart. Just send it on up to > > Theodosia and I'll store it in an out of the way place for you. By the > > way > > you might want to paint it a dark green before you send it up here. > > > > Gary > > > > > > "Paul Maples" wrote: > > > >> Thanks Gary, I am not sure how much pressure it would take to knock it > >> back > > > >> in line and I sure do not want to crack it if it is fragile from years > >> of > >> stress. > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:27 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > >> > >> > >> > Paul, > >> > > >> > That's not bent very bad. If it was mine I would just put a block of > > wood > >> > under it and tap it back in place with a hammer. If you put a block > >> of > >> > wood > >> > between the hammer and the spoke you won't leave any hammer marks on > >> the > >> > spoke. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 26 22:37:14 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:37:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone References: <00cc01c77018$cf64e350$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <003301c77031$fa6797f0$61a1693a@fred> I should have also said about a 1906 Model, I dont know if any single Flywheel engs. were made in this size,can you help? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Blackstone > Can anyone help me locate a collector who has a genuine 4Hp Single > Flywheel Blackstone. > Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03) 97266147 > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: > 26/03/2007 2:31 PM > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 12:48:12 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:48:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org Members and other Updates, 27th March Message-ID: <6f6025160703281248t43772231v7114a386dc4f3fd1@mail.gmail.com> There have been 5 updates to the Oldengine.org member's list this year, and also a few in the 'Commercial' and 'Other Items of Interest' sections. As there haven't been any on-list notices for these, I thought that one reminder in the year to date wouldn't go amiss. As there is usually some maintenance activity going on most weeks, please let me or Jim Dunmyer know if you need any changes to your own listing on Oldengine.org. Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Mar 28 15:12:45 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:12:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone References: <00cc01c77018$cf64e350$61a1693a@fred> <003301c77031$fa6797f0$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <000701c77186$3a2ef220$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Brian.........I do know of such an engine over here in the West. I will try my best to find out if it is still around.It was exhibited at the National Rally in Busselton in 1996 . The then owner is now deceased,has been for a few years.I don't know what has happened to the engine .Maybe the family still have it .Unfortunately the ''Net '' is unknown to them .I will chase it up in a round about way.Hopefully it may be the type you are asking about. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blackstone >I should have also said about a 1906 Model, I dont know if any single > Flywheel engs. were made in this size,can you help? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Watts" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:37 PM > Subject: [SEL] Blackstone > > >> Can anyone help me locate a collector who has a genuine 4Hp Single >> Flywheel Blackstone. >> Brian and David Watts >> Melbourne >> Australia >> (03) 97266147 >> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat >> briwatt at optusnet.com.au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: >> 26/03/2007 2:31 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Mar 28 20:55:44 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:55:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed Message-ID: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I have an old style reciprocating power hacksaw that I am doing up for my workshop and the drive pulley is missing from the motor. What speed should the blade travel on average (strokes per minute)?, then I can work out the pulley size. Is 60 strokes per minute too fast? That is going on the pullys I have here without actually seing it run. I have a bandsaw I want to sell as I hardly ever use either, but the bandsaw is worth more. I also have a cut-off saw. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm for bandsaw. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 29 04:43:20 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed In-Reply-To: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <3339.165.206.180.53.1175168600.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Wow, a fellow list member helped me figure this out a while back for a saw I have. I run it with a H&M engine and it is about right (wouldn't want it faster, but it does a great job) I don't have the messages handy, but he referenced one run from a lineshaft as I recall. http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/hacksaw-1.jpg Ran it by a Alamo 2hp engine and it cut rebar great for a demo. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1982 Eagle SX/4 coming soon http://theamcpages.com > Hi all > I have an old style reciprocating power hacksaw that I am doing up for my > workshop and the drive pulley is missing from the motor. > What speed should the blade travel on average (strokes per minute)?, then > I > can work out the pulley size. Is 60 strokes per minute too fast? That is > going on the pullys I have here without actually seing it run. > > I have a bandsaw I want to sell as I hardly ever use either, but the > bandsaw > is worth more. I also have a cut-off saw. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm for bandsaw. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Mar 29 04:52:51 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:52:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed In-Reply-To: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <021301c771f8$c7c3bb30$8335c53e@doc> Hi Peter The donkey saw in my shed runs at 60 - 90 strokes a minute from memory - driven by a 3-phase 1-horse motor. It has an 18" blade and I have chopped 4" dia. bar with it before now. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Peter Lowe > Sent: 29 March 2007 04:56 > To: Oldengine.org; ATIS > Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed > > Hi all > I have an old style reciprocating power hacksaw that I am > doing up for my > workshop and the drive pulley is missing from the motor. > What speed should the blade travel on average (strokes per > minute)?, then I > can work out the pulley size. Is 60 strokes per minute too > fast? That is > going on the pullys I have here without actually seing it run. > > I have a bandsaw I want to sell as I hardly ever use either, > but the bandsaw > is worth more. I also have a cut-off saw. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm for bandsaw. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 29 05:09:57 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:09:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed References: <021301c771f8$c7c3bb30$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <000001c771fb$5ef73de0$0601a8c0@altech> Thanks Peter and everyone else, question is answered as usual by a great group. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Hi Peter > > The donkey saw in my shed runs at 60 - 90 strokes a minute from memory - > driven by a 3-phase 1-horse motor. It has an 18" blade and I have chopped > 4" dia. bar with it before now. > > Regards > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> Peter Lowe >> Sent: 29 March 2007 04:56 >> To: Oldengine.org; ATIS >> Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed >> >> Hi all >> I have an old style reciprocating power hacksaw that I am >> doing up for my >> workshop and the drive pulley is missing from the motor. >> What speed should the blade travel on average (strokes per >> minute)?, then I >> can work out the pulley size. Is 60 strokes per minute too >> fast? That is >> going on the pullys I have here without actually seing it run. >> >> I have a bandsaw I want to sell as I hardly ever use either, >> but the bandsaw >> is worth more. I also have a cut-off saw. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm for bandsaw. >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> Ph: 61-266453455 >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: > 27/03/2007 4:38 PM > > From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 05:39:16 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Novo Help In-Reply-To: <000701c77186$3a2ef220$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <177125.14845.qm@web59208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> TO: The lads on SEL, especially the Yanks From: Your man ( and fellow Yank ) in Japan, Bill Young One of my non-English speaking Japanese mates has asked me to help him find and purchase a Novo vertical engine, about 3.5 hp. His first question is "How much?" Answer, " I don't know." I have been watching GAS ENGINE MAGAZINE but have seen nothing advertised. So, does anyone know of a recent sale? Or better yet, one for sale? Curt, Arnie, Dave, Rob? In order to avoid clogging up the net, I suggest you use my home email address. Thanks, Bill wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 29 06:49:58 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:49:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Novo Help In-Reply-To: <177125.14845.qm@web59208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <177125.14845.qm@web59208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, There's a 6hp Novo "S" on Harry's for $1250. I know the seller; he's a reliable bloke. 8-)) http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/1774/cat/2 See ya, Arnie On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, William Young wrote: > TO: The lads on SEL, especially the Yanks > From: Your man ( and fellow Yank ) in Japan, Bill Young > > One of my non-English speaking Japanese mates has asked me to help him find and purchase a Novo vertical engine, about 3.5 hp. His first question is "How much?" Answer, " I don't know." I have been watching GAS ENGINE MAGAZINE but have seen nothing advertised. > So, does anyone know of a recent sale? Or better yet, one for sale? Curt, Arnie, Dave, Rob? > In order to avoid clogging up the net, I suggest you use my home email address. Thanks, Bill > wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 29 06:49:17 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:49:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed In-Reply-To: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070329084631.046e6270@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peter, Just checked my reciprocating power hack saw that is still the factory set-up. It runs at 120 strokes per minute. Dave At 10:55 PM 3/28/2007, you wrote: >Hi all >I have an old style reciprocating power hacksaw that I am doing up for my >workshop and the drive pulley is missing from the motor. >What speed should the blade travel on average (strokes per minute)?, then I >can work out the pulley size. Is 60 strokes per minute too fast? That is >going on the pullys I have here without actually seing it run. > >I have a bandsaw I want to sell as I hardly ever use either, but the bandsaw >is worth more. I also have a cut-off saw. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm for bandsaw. > >Regards >Peter Lowe From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu Mar 29 08:17:05 2007 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:17:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed In-Reply-To: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070329081428.05a24ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> The power hacksaw in the 1910 line shaft machine shop at the Mt. Wilson Observatory operates at 60 complete cycles a minute. Regards, Larry Evans At 08:55 PM 3/28/2007, you wrote: >Hi all >I have an old style reciprocating power hacksaw that I am doing up for my >workshop and the drive pulley is missing from the motor. >What speed should the blade travel on average (strokes per minute)?, then I >can work out the pulley size. Is 60 strokes per minute too fast? That is >going on the pullys I have here without actually seing it run. > >I have a bandsaw I want to sell as I hardly ever use either, but the bandsaw >is worth more. I also have a cut-off saw. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm for bandsaw. > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Mar 29 09:55:53 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:55:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Villiars and foreign built to the US engine collectors Only need read. In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070324211100.02ee1030@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.2.1.2.1.20070324211100.02ee1030@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070329112316.02efdd60@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi, If you are not a Villiars or English, Australian or other, foreign built to the US engine owner in these or other countries other then the US there is no need to read further. As some of you know or have noticed I sell piston rings for vintage engines on Ebay. Reason I mention this is I wonder if there is a need for sources for rings for engines like the vintage Villiars? or maybe others? I have no idea what sizes are needed, so I would need info on specs. Remember, please reply Off List to my email address frappi at wcoil.com. Thank You, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 29 09:08:24 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:08:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Witte Date Message-ID: <20070329.110824.1320.15.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, I received an email from someone wanting to know the date of his 2 HP Witte # 17544. Anyone have a Witte date list ? Thanks Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " When happiness shows up give it a comfortable seat". (_o_) From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 29 09:54:33 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:54:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Novo Help In-Reply-To: <177125.14845.qm@web59208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Arnie and Bill, I wonder if your friend is the same guy that contacted me a few times this past week about my Novo? Go to the bottom of this message and read your way up. To me it sounds like one of the scams that go around. So, I just threw a couple prices out there for materials and time. I wasn't sure, so I just put this guy off a little bit. I find it ironic that this note came to the SEL about a Novo. I did look at the two web sites he sent and it seems on the up and up. Regardless, the pictures and videos are worth checking out! I found them pretty cool! http://photos.yahoo.co.jp/monkey12451 http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyounoyuoogata.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ------------ >From: ???? >To: "Luke Tonneberger" >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:45:16 +0900 > >Mr. Luke, >I want to see a sound of the engine and a detailed image. >I love United States engine. > >It is my album and animation of our event. > >http://photos.yahoo.co.jp/monkey12451 > >http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyounoyuoogata.html > >Hidenobu, > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" > >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:30 AM > > >>$1250 for the engine and approx $250 for materials and $250 for my time. >>Send a total payment of $1750. How does that sound? >> >>Luke Tonneberger >>Rockford, Michigan >>USA >> >>============ >> >>>From: ???? >>>To: "Luke Tonneberger" >>>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:47:42 +0900 >>> >>>Mr. Luke, >>>Thank you for the answer. >>>It introduces the person in charge of the carrying company that I often >>>use. >>>Please inquire of MS.PATT concerning export. Patt_Carmody at nittsu.com >>>And, please say my name to her. >>>She explains plainly. >>>Cash on delivery can be used for the carriage to Japan. >>> >>> >>>I pay you the engine price and the packing price. >>>Please inform me of the packing price. >>>It will take about one week to the engine price and the packing price by >>>the >>>receipt. >>> >>>My best regards though the trouble is put. >>> >>>It doesn't return from the 28th to the 31st to the house on business. >>> >>> >>>Zip 501-0523 simokata?|onocho-ibigun-gifuken-Japan >>>name Hidenobu Wakahara >>>Tel 0585-32-0522 >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" >>> >>>To: >>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:57 PM >>> >>> >>>>Yes, I can send it to Japan. I will build a crate for it but you will >>>>have to pay for materials and time. You will have to arrange all of the >>>>shipping. >>>> >>>>Luke Tonneberger >>>>Rockford, Michigan >>>>USA >>>> >>>>==================== >>>> >>>>>From: hidenobu at orion.ocn.ne.jp >>>>>To: flywheelin at hotmail.com >>>>>Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:12:26 -0400 >>>>> >>>>>For Sale: Novo 6hp >>>>> >>>>>Nice to meet you. Can you send it to Japan? >>>>>It is necessary to pack it. The packing fee is paid.The carrying >>>>>company can introduce it.A good answer expectation is done. >>>>> >>>>>Zip 501-0523 simokata?|onocho-ibigun-gifuken-Japan >>>>>name Hidenobu Wakahara >>>>>Tel 0585-32-0522 >>>>> Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: William Young > >TO: The lads on SEL, especially the Yanks > From: Your man ( and fellow Yank ) in Japan, Bill Young > > One of my non-English speaking Japanese mates has asked me to help him >find and purchase a Novo vertical engine, about 3.5 hp. His first question >is "How much?" Answer, " I don't know." I have been watching GAS ENGINE >MAGAZINE but have seen nothing advertised. > So, does anyone know of a recent sale? Or better yet, one for sale? >Curt, Arnie, Dave, Rob? > In order to avoid clogging up the net, I suggest you use my home email >address. Thanks, Bill > wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp _________________________________________________________________ i'm making a difference.?Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtagline From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Mar 29 11:47:39 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:47:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Witte Date Message-ID: <20070329.104739.1340.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Joe. My list says it is a 1915. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:08:24 -0500 Joseph L Betz writes: > Hi List, > > I received an email from someone wanting to know > the date of his 2 HP Witte # 17544. > Anyone have a Witte date list ? > Thanks > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ " When happiness shows up give it a comfortable > seat". > (_o_) From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 27 00:14:26 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:14:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] YA STOVER References: <002501c77022$5929d060$7a526c3a@Edd> Message-ID: <004601c7703f$8eb97d80$0eb7ecdc@morris> Well done Edd, looks REAL Goooooood Kerry Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ skype ID: ozengine Sent 6.13pm Monday > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el3X5YOhvCQ > I have put the above link on UTube.It is of my YA Stover 2HP that I have > just got. > > EDD PAYN > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Thu Mar 29 18:57:18 2007 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:57:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auctions References: <200703292156580953.031EAF03@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200703292157180140.031EF9F6@heavyiron.atis.net> While I am still waiting on about 5 small payments, the last of the big money came in today, so we are ready to start disbursing the proceeds. Currently we have right near 4900(exact figures below). As I recommended last Christmas, I feel like at least half the money should go to the Ohio FFA Scholarship fund in John Sewell's name. This would honor the memory of a fine young man whom I think about often and enjoyed all my time with, but just as importantly it would honor the contribution and friendship of long time ATIS member Steve Sewell. As for the remainder, the non-profit groups of Tod Engine Project and Internal Fire museum have been long time supporters of the SEL list and ATIS in general and they have always donated what they could to the auctions. I suggest 10% a piece for each. I then recommend 10% to the Lester Larsen Tractor Test museum and then 10% American Cancer Society in Cecil Monson's name and 10% to the Salvation Army. To recap, here are my nominations: 50% To Ohio FFA Scholarship fund 10% Internal Fire 10% Tod Engine Project 10% Lester Larson Tractor Test museum 10% Salvation Army. 10% American Cancer Society in Cecil Monson's Name Let have some discussion on possible recipients, and then let get this money out there. Also, if you haven't paid, please get your payment in to me ASAP. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net =========================================================== Credit Card Payments $313.00 PayPal Balance $1,009.00 Checks and Money Order $1,338.05 Cash and Equivalent $314.00 Total of all Payments $2,974.05 Total of Auction bidding and donations minus missing payments $2,974.05 PayPal and Credit Card Fees -$41.05 Summer Auction Total $1,920.00 Total to disburse $4,853.00 From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 30 06:30:48 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:30:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers Message-ID: Anyone want a couple of cheap bearing scrapers? They were initially listed at $5, and have been reduced to $3. _http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Tools-Unknown-Items-Babbitt-Bearing-Scrapers_W0QQitemZ2 50098077301QQcategoryZ1461QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Tools-Unknown-Items-Babbitt-Bearing-Scrapers_W0QQitemZ250098077301QQ categoryZ1461QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Mar 30 17:28:51 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:28:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Thanks to contributors, bidders and Spencer - charity auction Message-ID: <460DAB43.1090300@steamengine.com.au> Spencer recently sent out the message summarisng the charity auction income and suggesting his proposed break-up of donations. We should all be thankful to: - those of us who donated items to the auction - those of us who had enough spare to bid and also Spencer for the work he puts into the auction each year, facilitating the auction free and especially his honesty and integrity to carry out this important treasurery task. Thanks! Regards Paul From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sat Mar 31 10:00:39 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:00:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond Message-ID: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi , I'm coming over to attend Portland in August then on to Mount Pleasant. I was wondering is there any other shows on the same weekend as Mount pleasant that I could attend, or will I need the full 5 days to see it. Craig in Scotland From clemsweller at etczone.com Sat Mar 31 13:33:36 2007 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 16:33:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond In-Reply-To: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <000b01c773d3$dba2c600$92e85200$@com> Craig, Glad to hear you will be making Portland. I don't know about shows around Mount Pleasant, but depending on when you get into Indiana and when you plan to arrive at Portland, the weekend before (Thurs-Sunday) there is a nice smaller (compared to Portland) show in Greensburg Indiana. It is about 2 hours South of Portland Indiana. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of craig morrison Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:01 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond Hi , I'm coming over to attend Portland in August then on to Mount Pleasant. I was wondering is there any other shows on the same weekend as Mount pleasant that I could attend, or will I need the full 5 days to see it. Craig in Scotland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 3/30/2007 1:15 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 3/30/2007 1:15 PM From stevebarr at ameritech.net Sat Mar 31 14:39:27 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond In-Reply-To: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <38555.58490.qm@web82015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Craig I am thinking of going to Mt. Pleasant this year as an exhibitor. They are featuring Challenge Engines. I was able to see what I wanted in the 1 day that I was there last year. Photos on web site: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006MtPleasant1.htm The same weekend are 3 shows that I would recommend. Rollag, MN - Large show with lots of steam, Big Gas Tractors, and some excellent displays of engines (ones on year round setup are worth it. I was not overly impressed with the fenced in cages where others were displaying engines.) It made me think that we were in down under???? White Pines Logging & Threshing - McGrath MN - Nice sice show held on a family farm. Good selection of steam, Gas Tractors are organized nicely. Some excellent working exhibits. Rock River Thresheree Edgerton/Janesville, WI - lots of steam and other tractors. Pontiac, IL - I haven't been to the show for several years so I cannot comment on it. You can review photos from the past at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/show_reports.htm 2 years ago, I was able to catch 3 shows in 3 days...Lots of fun...Rollag then White Pines, and then Edgerton...and lots of driving. Steve --- craig morrison wrote: > Hi , > I'm coming over to attend Portland in August then on to Mount > Pleasant. I was wondering is there any other shows on the same weekend > as Mount pleasant that I could attend, or will I need the full 5 days to > see it. > > > Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 31 16:18:56 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:18:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond References: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <000801c773ea$f4f13b20$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Craig It takes time to soak up the atmosphere and the people, yet alone the engines. Portland needs 4 days to have a great time with the LIST guys and gals. Mt Pleasant we had two days there and had a ball. Good luck and have a great time mate. Peter, Oz > Hi , > I'm coming over to attend Portland in August then on to Mount > Pleasant. I was wondering is there any other shows on the same weekend as > Mount pleasant that I could attend, or will I need the full 5 days to see > it. > > > Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > 30/03/2007 1:15 PM > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Mar 31 19:55:29 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:55:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond In-Reply-To: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <460F1F21.7050105@steamengine.com.au> Hi Craig, You'll need 3 to 4 days just to see all of Portland (including the swap meet) let alone take it in!! Mt. Pleasant is a smaller show than Portland, but IMHO much more interesting show from a variety perspective. For me, Portland is the socialising show with the list people. At Portland you'll find plenty of engines, plenty of tractors and a few small ancillary displays like steam traction, a sawmill, a blacksmith (if you're lucky) and most importantly really good company in the various list compounds - both during and after show hours over in the campground. Stay in the campground - I've tent and camper camped - both are great, but watch those low lying areas - I've been flooded out once! The Portland day starts around 5am and finishes about 4am. Plenty of time for sleep. It does taper off though - on the last day its more like a 9am start but no-one goes to sleep any earlier. Far too much beer to drink and bullshit to spread around the fire! At Mt. Pleasant you won't find that same atmosphere (unless you know a group of people there) but you will find much more variety. There is a huge steam turn out. Several sawmills. Some truly big engines (eat your heart out Portland OFES - these ARE bigger!). Electric trams (trolleys or streetcars to the yanks!) servicing the camp ground. A steam railway with Shay, Climax and (I think) a Heisler locomotive. There are historic displays and re-enactments (or were the year I went - dunno if that is normal). Portland needs trams/trolleys too - the sites are probably about the same size - at the end of five days at Portland your feet will hurt - unless of course, you spend the entire show sitting on your butt in the list compound in which case that might hurt instead :) That said, if I could only attend one show on a US trip it would be Portland - I've seen enough engines to last a lifetime, its the people that are more important to me these days. Regards Paul craig morrison wrote: > Hi , > I'm coming over to attend Portland in August then on to Mount Pleasant. I was wondering is there any other shows on the same weekend as Mount pleasant that I could attend, or will I need the full 5 days to see it. > > > Craig in Scotland > From glenn.karch at verizon.net Sat Mar 31 10:56:46 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:56:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond References: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <001601c773bd$f3e78cc0$71fb123f@D8LJ7K91> Graig, After you've been to Portland, you will wonder if there is another show as big. The one at Mt. Pleasant is just as big, but the make up and attractions are different. You can take in the Mt Pleasant show in less than 5 days, but in all, it is a big one and there are a lot of tractors, steamers, gas engines and a lot of other stuff to see or watch. There is a big show at Rollag, Minnesota that same weekend that a lot of people go to. There is also a show near Colchester, Illinois at Argyle State Park that same weekend and it is about an hour and a half from Mt. Pleasant. We will be at both Portland and Mt Pleasant as gas engine exhibitors. Hope to see you at both. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond > Hi , > I'm coming over to attend Portland in August then on to Mount > Pleasant. I was wondering is there any other shows on the same weekend as > Mount pleasant that I could attend, or will I need the full 5 days to see > it. > > > Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at etczone.com Thu Mar 1 03:46:23 2007 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 06:46:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need help moving a Delco Light Plant. In-Reply-To: <000c01c75b92$593b2670$6400a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <200703010645517.SM05500@chuckPC> Tommy, If you are coming to Portland in May, I could pick it up and deliver it up there for you! I work in Indianapolis and Pendleton wouldn't be a huge detour. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stojanov Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 6:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Need help moving a Delco Light Plant. Hi Folks, My youngest brother decided that he wanted an engine of his own some time ago. He was looking over Enginads last night and found a small Delco Light plant he was interested in located in Pendleton, IN, about 35 miles north of Indianapolis. I called the fellow who had it for sale and my brother agreed to buy it. Is there anyone who might be traveling through or near Indianapolis who would be willing to help bring it further east? I will be attending the summer Coolspring show or would be willing to meet someone. Thanks. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 3:24 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 3:24 PM From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 1 05:45:18 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 05:45:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Need help moving a Delco Light Plant. In-Reply-To: <200703010645517.SM05500@chuckPC> References: <200703010645517.SM05500@chuckPC> Message-ID: <4121.165.206.180.53.1172756718.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I will be taking a truck and trailer from Des Moines, Iowa to Reading PA before the end of summer. I'll probably take the easiest, quickest path as I want to do it in a weekend. I suspect without looking that means I80. I need to pickup a car in/near Reading. So my rig will be empty going east. If this fits in with anything........... I'd consider it. since I'll have a friend travelling with me for moral support and muscle, I can't take up a lot of his time too, but heck, if it works out, I'll talk about it. Would that path be even close at all???? I have no idea where anything is east of Ill, and I'm not even sure about much of ILL. (geometry and spelng were not my strong suits) Bill > Tommy, > > If you are coming to Portland in May, I could pick it up and deliver it up > there for you! I work in Indianapolis and Pendleton wouldn't be a huge > detour. > > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stojanov > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 6:44 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Need help moving a Delco Light Plant. > > Hi Folks, > > My youngest brother decided that he wanted an engine of his own some time > ago. He was looking over Enginads last night and found a small Delco > Light > plant he was interested in located in Pendleton, IN, about 35 miles north > of > > Indianapolis. I called the fellow who had it for sale and my brother > agreed > > to buy it. Is there anyone who might be traveling through or near > Indianapolis who would be willing to help bring it further east? I will > be > attending the summer Coolspring show or would be willing to meet someone. > Thanks. > > Sincerely, > Tommy Stojanov > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 > 3:24 PM > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 > 3:24 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 1 16:20:42 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:20:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Nixon Auction 24th march Texas Message-ID: <004301c75c60$9d594e80$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Anyone going to Bill Keene's auction in Haltom City, Texas, March 24th http://nixonauctioneers.com/listings/listings/auction/keene_listing/ or http://nixonauctioneers.com/ I am after the info (Serial numbers) from the two R&V verticals that are for sale and lots of good photos from all over both engines. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 1 18:27:53 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 21:27:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs In-Reply-To: <45E639A8.7060903@imc-group.com> References: <200702261934390.SM00976@new.databak.co.za> <001e01c75aee$606f4650$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61> <00d401c75aef$b1769250$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <1172712723.45e62d13d00e8@webmail.city-net.com> <45E6339C.8010008@imc-group.com> <1172715348.45e6375439b60@webmail.city-net.com> <45E639A8.7060903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1172802473.45e78ba9a8d88@webmail.city-net.com> The hot rumor is that Curt is at Zolfo Springs in drag to hide his identity. Curt, We need to know the TRUTH!! How long have you been dressing in drag and does Missy know??? See ya, Arnie > > Sunny, 80's, nice breeze. Zolfo Springs is GREAT!! The Austral, the > > Bamford, and the hot tube IHC "M" are all running great as is Glenn's > > Kewaunee and Tom's 7 hp Economy saw rig and Jim's model engines. > > > > Y'all come on down!! 8-)) From curt at imc-group.com Fri Mar 2 05:28:31 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:28:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs In-Reply-To: <1172802473.45e78ba9a8d88@webmail.city-net.com> References: <200702261934390.SM00976@new.databak.co.za> <001e01c75aee$606f4650$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61> <00d401c75aef$b1769250$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <1172712723.45e62d13d00e8@webmail.city-net.com> <45E6339C.8010008@imc-group.com> <1172715348.45e6375439b60@webmail.city-net.com> <45E639A8.7060903@imc-group.com> <1172802473.45e78ba9a8d88@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <45E8267F.4060704@imc-group.com> Arnie, ??? wow you guys must have put quite a few back last night! I am neither in drag nor at the Zolfo Springs show. Would sure enjoy being so (not in drag but at the show!). Glad you guys are enjoying warm and dry weather 'cause it sure sucked here yesterday and last night. At least 6" of rain at the house. Quite a mess with flooding rivers, lakes, etc. Went to our club meeting last night, and then readied Devin for his 6:00 a.m. departure to Space Camp in Alabama this morning. As you can imagine he was real excited. So much for the quiet weekend alone with Missy, as she invited her entire family here for the weekend to goto the Southern Spring show. So we'll have a full house. You can bet I'll stay in the shop, working on a couple of patterns and coreboxes I am in the middle of. You guys at least take a picture of the SEL area and post it for us. It would be good to see the lot of you having fun there. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > The hot rumor is that Curt is at Zolfo Springs in drag to hide his identity. > Curt, We need to know the TRUTH!! How long have you been dressing in drag and > does Missy know??? > > See ya, Arnie > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Mar 2 10:39:47 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:39:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Life's good Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070302202747.00aa5b10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Had a hard week. It's Friday evening 8.30 pm here. We are having a drought and it has been dry and as hot as hell here but we had about half an inch of rain between 5 and 6pm this evening and everything is a bit cooler and the dust has settled. I'm having a drink with the old Wolseley and Life is Good! Keep well and have one with me. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 2 17:21:50 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 19:21:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Stover Coolant Tank Stand Castings for Sale Message-ID: <005601c75d32$525700d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Gang a friend of mine, John Ames, got a hold of an original old style Stover cast iron coolant tank stand, here is some pictures of the stand in an old Stover Booklet: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverTankStand1.jpg John found a foundry that would make duplicate castings for him and he got five commitments from folks that wanted the castings. He pre-paid the foundry and now one of the five guys is stiffing him and decided he does not want his set of castings. I bought a set of the castings myself and they are nice. Here is what they look like: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildCD430.jpg http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/StoverRebuildCS429.jpg John has $438.00 in the castings and only wants his money back from them. If anyone is interested in buying the set of castings before he list them on E-bay please contact John Ames at amesengine at sbcglobal.net Thanks, Paul From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 2 17:58:10 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:58:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs In-Reply-To: <45E8267F.4060704@imc-group.com> References: <200702261934390.SM00976@new.databak.co.za> <001e01c75aee$606f4650$0200a8c0@DHGWLD61> <00d401c75aef$b1769250$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <1172712723.45e62d13d00e8@webmail.city-net.com> <45E6339C.8010008@imc-group.com> <1172715348.45e6375439b60@webmail.city-net.com> <45E639A8.7060903@imc-group.com> <1172802473.45e78ba9a8d88@webmail.city-net.com> <45E8267F.4060704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1172887090.45e8d632a11c8@webmail.city-net.com> I don't know what to say here... The reports are flying in thick & fast from all corners of the Zolfo showgrounds.... Didja see Curt in drag? And the MASK??? We'll just have to wait for the pics to get posted.... See ya, Arnie Quoting Curt : > ??? wow you guys must have put quite a few back last night! > I am neither in drag nor at the Zolfo Springs show. Would sure enjoy > being so ... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > The hot rumor is that Curt is at Zolfo Springs in drag to hide his > > identity. Curt, We need to know the TRUTH!! How long have you been > > dressing in drag and does Missy know??? From oldengine at comcast.net Sat Mar 3 10:34:39 2007 From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:34:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel's Astral at Zolfo Message-ID: <000901c75dc2$9ad83e10$6501a8c0@cc2319892A> http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36048 -- Harry From mullt at att.net Sat Mar 3 11:16:21 2007 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 19:16:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Life's good Message-ID: <030320071916.7000.45E9C9850001CA3300001B5821602806519B04049A03@att.net> Jerry, Here in Missouri (USA) the temperature is just above freezing and we are having snow flurries. But I will certainly have one (at least) with you. (-; Tom in St. Louis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jerry Evans > Hi Guys, > Had a hard week. It's Friday evening 8.30 pm here. We are having a > drought and it has been dry and as hot as hell here but we had about half > an inch of rain between 5 and 6pm this evening and everything is a bit > cooler and the dust has settled. > I'm having a drink with the old Wolseley and Life is Good! Keep > well and have one with me. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 > Cell: 083 293 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 3 19:47:11 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:47:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question Message-ID: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Down at Zolfo Springs Dave and I were puzzling over the details of exactly how the vaporizer works on his 11 hp Austral oil engine. After a bit of RTFM, I think I have most of it sussed, but there's a couple of bits that just aren't clear. I wanted to take a wrench to it and have a look at the innards, but Dave was having none of that. So I'm forced to ask y'all for some help. Here's the engine in question... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Austral.jpg And here's a look at the vaporizer with the outer heat shield removed. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Vaporizer.jpg During the intake stroke, the timing valve is open to the combustion chamber, the vapor valve opens and a mix of atomized kero and air is drawn in from the mixer. The kero is vaporized and passes through the open timing valve where it enters the combustion chamber with the main air charge from the open intake valve. The timing valve closes. At a point into the compression stroke, the timing valve again opens allowing a compressed air - kero vapor mixture to enter the vaporizer and reach the hot ignitor coil, where it ignites. The timing valve remains open allowing the burning mixture to heat the vaporizer and the ignition coil during the power stroke. I think the reason that the initial air/kero draw doesn't ignite on the ignitor coil is that the mixture is way too rich. But it's equally possible that internal baffling and/or residual exhaust gasses around the ignitor coil help to prevent ignition until a suitable mixture gets compressed into the vaporizer. Finally, the shape of that vaporizer body looks like it ought to have something to do with the internal geometry. Can anyone shed more light on the internal geometry and functioning of that Austral vaporizer? It sure is one sweet running engine and it would be really great if Dave and I could do a better job of explaining just how it works. THANKS!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA (from warm & sunny Zolfo Springs) From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Mar 3 20:12:12 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:12:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> For a bit of help here is the sectioned hot-bulb off my Blackstone. They are identical in design to the Austral ones: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Folks, Down at Zolfo Springs Dave and I were puzzling over the details of exactly how the vaporizer works on his 11 hp Austral oil engine. After a bit of RTFM, I think I have most of it sussed, but there's a couple of bits that just aren't clear. I wanted to take a wrench to it and have a look at the innards, but Dave was having none of that. So I'm forced to ask y'all for some help. Here's the engine in question... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Austral.jpg And here's a look at the vaporizer with the outer heat shield removed. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Vaporizer.jpg During the intake stroke, the timing valve is open to the combustion chamber, the vapor valve opens and a mix of atomized kero and air is drawn in from the mixer. The kero is vaporized and passes through the open timing valve where it enters the combustion chamber with the main air charge from the open intake valve. The timing valve closes. At a point into the compression stroke, the timing valve again opens allowing a compressed air - kero vapor mixture to enter the vaporizer and reach the hot ignitor coil, where it ignites. The timing valve remains open allowing the burning mixture to heat the vaporizer and the ignition coil during the power stroke. I think the reason that the initial air/kero draw doesn't ignite on the ignitor coil is that the mixture is way too rich. But it's equally possible that internal baffling and/or residual exhaust gasses around the ignitor coil help to prevent ignition until a suitable mixture gets compressed into the vaporizer. Finally, the shape of that vaporizer body looks like it ought to have something to do with the internal geometry. Can anyone shed more light on the internal geometry and functioning of that Austral vaporizer? It sure is one sweet running engine and it would be really great if Dave and I could do a better job of explaining just how it works. THANKS!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA (from warm & sunny Zolfo Springs) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 3 21:30:51 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:30:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000b01c75e1e$46ac8650$d2db693a@fred> The timing valve only starts opening just before top dead centre same as Blackstones, on the compression stroke just before TDC.the timing valve is open only .004 (4 thou) this is how we set up our Blackstones and Australs.When the timing valve is open the compression forces the rich mixture onto the heat coil. this is the same principle as a hot tube ignition system. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > Hi Folks, > > Down at Zolfo Springs Dave and I were puzzling over the details of exactly > how > the vaporizer works on his 11 hp Austral oil engine. After a bit of RTFM, > I > think I have most of it sussed, but there's a couple of bits that just > aren't > clear. I wanted to take a wrench to it and have a look at the innards, > but > Dave was having none of that. So I'm forced to ask y'all for some help. > > Here's the engine in question... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Austral.jpg > > And here's a look at the vaporizer with the outer heat shield removed. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Vaporizer.jpg > > During the intake stroke, the timing valve is open to the combustion > chamber, > the vapor valve opens and a mix of atomized kero and air is drawn in from > the > mixer. The kero is vaporized and passes through the open timing valve > where it > enters the combustion chamber with the main air charge from the open > intake > valve. The timing valve closes. > > At a point into the compression stroke, the timing valve again opens > allowing a > compressed air - kero vapor mixture to enter the vaporizer and reach the > hot > ignitor coil, where it ignites. The timing valve remains open allowing > the > burning mixture to heat the vaporizer and the ignition coil during the > power > stroke. > > I think the reason that the initial air/kero draw doesn't ignite on the > ignitor > coil is that the mixture is way too rich. But it's equally possible that > internal baffling and/or residual exhaust gasses around the ignitor coil > help > to prevent ignition until a suitable mixture gets compressed into the > vaporizer. > > Finally, the shape of that vaporizer body looks like it ought to have > something > to do with the internal geometry. > > Can anyone shed more light on the internal geometry and functioning of > that > Austral vaporizer? It sure is one sweet running engine and it would be > really > great if Dave and I could do a better job of explaining just how it works. > > THANKS!! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > (from warm & sunny Zolfo Springs) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.6/709 - Release Date: 3/03/2007 > 8:12 AM > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 3 22:00:31 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:00:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <000b01c75e1e$46ac8650$d2db693a@fred> References: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com> <000b01c75e1e$46ac8650$d2db693a@fred> Message-ID: <6322EE5D-AA83-45D2-AB39-1A498A663A1B@rustyiron.com> > this is the same principle as a hot tube ignition system. I beg to differ. Apples. Oranges. Couldn't be more different. From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Mar 5 05:15:59 2007 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:15:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel's Astral at Zolfo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What is the iron "box" on the back of the engine cart behind the water tank? > 1. Dave Rotigel's Astral at Zolfo (Harry) >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:34:39 -0500 >From: "Harry" >Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel's Astral at Zolfo >To: >Message-ID: <000901c75dc2$9ad83e10$6501a8c0 at cc2319892A> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 From oldengine at comcast.net Mon Mar 5 06:41:01 2007 From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:41:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel's Austral at Zolfo Message-ID: <000901c75f34$4bf00df0$6501a8c0@cc2319892A> Question: "What is the iron "box" on the back of the engine cart behind the water tank?" I believe it's the muffler. The exhaust is piped all the way back to it and then into the vertical water cooling tank. The cooling water then falls into the undercarriage water tank. Dave will certainly speak up if I have it wrong. Its exhaust is really quiet and a long day's work beside this engine would be quite tolerable compared to the bark that some engines emit. Here's a direct link into YouTube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xRv7GdWFSDQ -- Harry From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 5 07:50:31 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:50:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs another look Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/2007 9:12:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: ??? wow you guys must have put quite a few back last night! Zolfo from another perspective: Arnie had a good time Dave had a good time Tom and Millie had a good time Glenn had a good time Helen and George had a good time Arnie contacted some kind of black feet rot Dave's pop-up awning "supposedly" got blown over by the wind and totaled, but he might have happened to stumble into it one afternoon. Arnie likes his "coffee" in the mug even in the afternoon 90 deg heat. Carries his mug around all day looking at the engines. Must be from sitting in the nuclear office all day. I neved did see where he and Dave heated their coffee at the show. 816 miles door to door. Long ride! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 4 15:37:50 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:37:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com><000b01c75e1e$46ac8650$d2db693a@fred> <6322EE5D-AA83-45D2-AB39-1A498A663A1B@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <003001c75eb6$203c9ad0$d2db693a@fred> I should have ssaid a Similar principle!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > >> this is the same principle as a hot tube ignition system. > > > I beg to differ. > > Apples. > > Oranges. > > Couldn't be more different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release Date: 4/03/2007 > 1:58 PM > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Mar 5 12:30:32 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:30:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <003001c75eb6$203c9ad0$d2db693a@fred> References: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com><000b01c75e1e$46ac8650$d2db693a@fred> <6322EE5D-AA83-45D2-AB39-1A498A663A1B@rustyiron.com> <003001c75eb6$203c9ad0$d2db693a@fred> Message-ID: > I should have ssaid a Similar principle!! Jes tryin' to keep you honest there, mate! From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 5 13:01:34 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:01:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs another look In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45EC852E.3020703@imc-group.com> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > Zolfo from another perspective: > > Arnie had a good time > > Arnie contracted some kind of black feet rot > > Tom, What's Arnie doing "kicking it" with black feet? Does Nancy know of this? Curt :-) From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 5 13:12:45 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:12:45 EST Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs another look Message-ID: In a message dated 3/5/2007 4:02:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Arnie doing "kicking it" with black feet? Does Nancy know of this It was both feet, and not one foot. Wish I had a photo. I try to never cause marital problems. Tom


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 5 13:51:08 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:51:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs another look In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45EC90CC.1070408@imc-group.com> Tom, All week Arnie told of my being in drag at Zolfo......you think I'm gonna let this one slip by ;-) NOT Curt Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/5/2007 4:02:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > curt at imc-group.com writes: > > Arnie doing "kicking it" with black feet? Does Nancy know of this > > It was both feet, and not one foot. Wish I had a photo. I try to never cause > marital problems. > > Tom >


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AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 5 13:58:13 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:58:13 EST Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Springs another look Message-ID: In a message dated 3/5/2007 4:51:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: All week Arnie told of my being in drag at Zolfo...... Like I said, I do not like to cause marital problems, but the Curt in drag thing---time and photos will possibly tell one way or the other. Never under estimate the power of "schnapps all day coffee"! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Mar 5 16:09:25 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:09:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Starting of Austral .PDF Message-ID: <006001c75f83$b364ca30$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Not sure if this is the same as Dave's engine, but these are the instructions for starting my baby Austral 3hp and others. Print it out as the PDF reads backwards, this allows the pages to print back first so you can just staple them together. Not sure about mistakes in the OCR Scan, tell me if there is. Download is only 297Kb Peter, Oz http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/starting%201.pdf From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 6 11:11:51 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:11:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SAW TRANSPORTATION Message-ID: <002d01c76023$4c005300$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Gentlemen. I have a table saw on ebay that has 4 hours left and a potential buyer in OhiO needs transpsortation from here, Palm Bay, Bervard County FL. The auction number is 300059633740. I will store it for him, and mentioned the SEL as a potentially possible solution. Thanks. Skip Cleveland skipcleveland at bellsouth.net From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Mar 6 12:56:06 2007 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:56:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse & Wolseley info needed please. Message-ID: <200703062309625.SM00376@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, I've been offered a Fairbanks Morse engine but all I have to go by is a picture of it. It is a restored engine described as a good runner. My knowledge of FM engines is minimal so would you experts please have a look at the pic and answer a few questions for me? I've put it here: There is also an interesting Wolseley WLB1 (I think) engine on the same page which should be interesting to the Brits and Aussies. It is probably about 1946 to 1949 vintage. If anyone can offer any info on this one it would also be appreciated. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Intntl.: +2716 365-5787 Cell: 083 293 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 6 13:11:24 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:11:24 EST Subject: [SEL] SAW TRANSPORTATION Message-ID: Skip, If you could find Dave and Arnie they might be helpful, but I suspect they are on the beach somewhere and headed for Pittsburgh tomorrow I think. I just got back from there on Sunday. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 6 13:33:39 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:33:39 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse & Wolseley info needed please. Message-ID: Jerry, Not a Fairbanks expert, but owned a 1919 similar 6 hp. It is throttle governed. Guessing yours is a 3 hp, 1918-1923 era, but need to know what mag, and then may be newer. Appears to be a Bosh mag, but just a guess as not much seen in photos. The v grooves were probably machined in the flywheel sometime later and not original. Not original muffler system. Should be open crank. Not sure what is going on the top. It looks like a plate is bolted over the hopper opening. Note what appears to be 2 bolts near the front and 2 bolts near the rear of the hopper top. Oiler pipe should come out of hopper near the back of the hopper. Also the pipe coming across the top of hopper to the front is added. Wonder if someone covered the hopper opening, added the pipes and made some type of a closed thermosiponing cooling system? Not sure what 5 months of brandy/coke cost you but it may be too much. However, my 6hp was a nice runner and tinkering with it made it sound like hit/miss. Have some photos somewhere of it pulling a molasses mill for 2 days, kept at a rolling boil, and used one gallon water per hour. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Mar 6 15:17:37 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:17:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ballan 2007 and Canberra Show 2007 Message-ID: <009a01c76045$a10c5b60$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Just thought I would share photos of a couple of shows I have been to this year. The first is from the Ballan Vintage Machinery Rally and Tractor Pull of 18 February. Ballan is about 35 kilometers from Ballarat. The second group was from the Canberra Clubs display at this years Royal Canberra Show. Hope you enjoy. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/558036288SWbtdP http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/558034289IcPEwf I do have some video of the Rota Baler operating and as soon as I can download it I will pass it on. I will be going off list shortly as my wife and I are going to drive the long paddock to Darwin and can I ask Oz members if there is anything I should visit on the way. Our plan is to travel inland from Canberra to Brisbane then cross country to Dalby, Longreach, Mount Isa and so on. I have been to Jondaryan and I hope to take photos of the engines in Ilfracombe. Thanks Ron Canberra From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 6 16:45:09 2007 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 19:45:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SAW TRANSPORTATION References: Message-ID: <004201c76051$db9d8720$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB> Thanks for the reply, Tom. It went to a gent in Ill. I had thought about them but it happened kinda fast. Thanks again. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SAW TRANSPORTATION > Skip, > > If you could find Dave and Arnie they might be helpful, but I suspect they > are on the beach somewhere and headed for Pittsburgh tomorrow I think. I > just > got back from there on Sunday. > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com >


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AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 > 9:41 AM > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Mar 7 04:31:06 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 23:31:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] NSW Foundries Message-ID: <003b01c760b4$7adc82c0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all One for the Aussies. Does anyone know a cast iron foundry closest to me in northern NSW, Grafton area, or southern QLD. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 7 05:08:47 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:08:47 EST Subject: [SEL] Ballan 2007 and Canberra Show 2007 Message-ID: Ron, Enjoyed looking at the show pictures. Any idea why they had the screen around the Austral with the hay baler? Has the list about died? Sure not many postings lately. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 7 07:23:05 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:23:05 EST Subject: [SEL] Show directory Message-ID: Just received my 2007 show directory complete with a map of the US that has red dots noting the location of the shows that took out ads in the directory. It does not have red dots for every show that is listed, only the ones with ads. The eastern side looks as though it has the measles! If it had dots for every show listed, you probably would not be able to tell which state was which. I wonder if anyone has added up the shows, many clubs having more than one show a year? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Mar 7 14:34:28 2007 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:34:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ballan 2007 and Canberra Show 2007 References: Message-ID: <003201c76108$c4996b90$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Tom While it was at hot day the wind coming from the direction it was tended to cool the hot box and it would have been difficult to keep the motor running. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ballan 2007 and Canberra Show 2007 > Ron, > > Enjoyed looking at the show pictures. Any idea why they had the screen > around the Austral with the hay baler? > > Has the list about died? Sure not many postings lately. > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com >


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AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 7 16:57:47 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:57:47 EST Subject: [SEL] Ballan 2007 and Canberra Show 2007 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/7/2007 5:38:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, page at velocitynet.com.au writes: While it was at hot day the wind coming from the direction it was tended to cool the hot box Ron, Dave had his Austral hot box heated all day using propane which kept it pretty darn hot, even with the wind blowing hard enough one day to blow over his pop-up sun shade and total it. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Austral.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Austral.jpg) Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Mar 7 23:25:49 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:25:49 +0900 Subject: [SEL] 8HP IHC famous piston water pump Message-ID: <010801c76152$ff044170$210110ac@service> Hi guys, can anyone help with info and or diagrams on the internals of one of these pumps, i am trying to rebuild one at the moment, cheers Chester from West Aus From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 8 01:26:55 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:26:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Keeping Austral Warm Message-ID: <20070308092700.TFZG9628.oaamta06ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Here is a picture to show that even when new it was sometimes hard to keep the Austral warm even when working. This photo is from 1910! I like the tarp setup to keep the wind at bay. http://mview.museum.vic.gov.au/paimages/mm/000/000357.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Thu Mar 8 02:26:55 2007 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 19:26:55 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Dardanup heritage park, western australia Message-ID: <007901c7616c$4b657110$f301a8c0@armstrong> I displayed my Massey Harris engine & grister at the Dardanup Heritage Park display of Massey Harris engines, tractors & machinery, etc there was even some tangye engines on display about 15 of different hp from 3.5hp to 100hp http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/DARDANUP%20SHOW%20MARCH%202007.htm for a movie of the 100hp tangye operating try this http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/movies.htm Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 8 02:53:47 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 21:53:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <1172980031.45ea413fba7cc@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Arnie/Dave. I will try and cover a few random things :) First, if you don't already have one I would recommend getting a copy of the Ronaldson-Tippett Engine Book (i.e. the Austral Manual). It is very, very detailed and will answer all of the questions on the engine. You can get it from: http://www.rallybadges.com.au/ (also Greg at Rallybadges is an Austral nut as well). The timing valve is not needed to run the engine it is only to prevent pre-ignition under load. I have happily run my engine with it locked open. The ignition coil(s) are also not 100% necessary although without it you would need to be pumping some serious heat into the engine to keep it running. My engine is running its original mild steel primary coil but I do not have a starting coil in the lower chamber. Some of the guys have been experimenting with various materials to try and stop the cooling off problem of an unloaded engine. Some have tried replacing the coil by filling the chamber with brass nuts. I am told this works but I have not tried it. The skill is to be able to slow the engine down to a nice speed & be able to keep it running without the lamp. There are few hit and miss engines can run as smoothly and quietly as an Austral (except maybe a Blackstone). Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 8 07:19:13 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:19:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Dardanup heritage park, western australia In-Reply-To: <007901c7616c$4b657110$f301a8c0@armstrong> References: <007901c7616c$4b657110$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <2860.165.206.180.53.1173367153.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> VERY nice photos. Thanks. Makes me itch for show season here.... (while you folks in Western Australia head for winter!) Bill > I displayed my Massey Harris engine & grister at the Dardanup Heritage > Park display of Massey Harris engines, tractors & machinery, etc > there was even some tangye engines on display about 15 of different hp > from 3.5hp to 100hp > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/DARDANUP%20SHOW%20MARCH%202007.htm > > for a movie of the 100hp tangye operating try this > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/movies.htm > > Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong > Collectors of old things > Perth > WA > Australia > Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member > V.C.C. of WA. member > k_armstrong at arach.net.au > www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Mar 8 10:42:18 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:42:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> On Mar 8, 2007, at 2:53 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > My engine is running its original mild steel primary coil but I do > not have a starting coil in the lower chamber. Some of the guys > have been > experimenting with various materials to try and stop the cooling > off problem > of an unloaded engine. Some have tried replacing the coil by > filling the > chamber with brass nuts. Ok Patrick. You opened the can of worms. I'm gonna fling 'em all over the place. It might take the PhD or the Nukular Scientist to clean up the mess. I contend that changing the material or the configuration of the material is utter bollocks. Consider the stock coil. When the engine fires, the coil TAKES heat from the fire depending on a heat-exchange coefficient. Then over the "miss" cycles, the coil gives up heat using the same coefficient. Eventually there is a compression stroke, and the coil will still be giving up heat using the same coefficient. The rate of heat exchange for a particular coil is dependent on the pressure in the coil case and composition of the gas in contact with the coil. These will be constant independent of the coil. If we change the composition of the coil or the surface area of the coil, we can affect the rate of heat exchange. BUT, if the coil TAKES heat more quickly, it will COOL OFF more quickly. Furthermore, the mass of the coil is what, three grams? The mass of the entire vaporizer is what, a couple kilos? The mass of the coil is miniscule compared to the entire mass of the vaporizer. The surface area of the coil compared to that of the entire vaporizer is equally miniscule. Futzing around with the coil is an exercise in futility. There you have it. The Emperor has no clothes. Rob All enraged Roo Eaters, please send your complaints to helen at insulate.co.uk From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Mar 8 11:20:39 2007 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:20:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] BYB Message-ID: <001201c761b6$ddf43620$3464a8c0@Eagle> Are the 2 volume set of Wendel's book still available as a set? Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 12:53:31 2007 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:53:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have in my Blackstone engines Made a tube of perforated stainless open at both ends packed it tight with stainless swarf type shavings from a comercial scouring pad,and put it in the lower chamber. They both run very well for some hours. In my experiance most low compression lamp starts cool off. Thank goodness for Dr.Diesel John Palmer >From: Rob Skinner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >CC: Stationary Engine ATIS List >Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:42:18 -0800 > >On Mar 8, 2007, at 2:53 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > My engine is running its original mild steel primary coil but I do > > not have a starting coil in the lower chamber. Some of the guys > > have been > > experimenting with various materials to try and stop the cooling > > off problem > > of an unloaded engine. Some have tried replacing the coil by > > filling the > > chamber with brass nuts. > >Ok Patrick. You opened the can of worms. I'm gonna fling 'em all >over the place. It might take the PhD or the Nukular Scientist to >clean up the mess. > >I contend that changing the material or the configuration of the >material is utter bollocks. > >Consider the stock coil. When the engine fires, the coil TAKES heat >from the fire depending on a heat-exchange coefficient. Then over >the "miss" cycles, the coil gives up heat using the same >coefficient. Eventually there is a compression stroke, and the coil >will still be giving up heat using the same coefficient. The rate of >heat exchange for a particular coil is dependent on the pressure in >the coil case and composition of the gas in contact with the coil. >These will be constant independent of the coil. > >If we change the composition of the coil or the surface area of the >coil, we can affect the rate of heat exchange. BUT, if the coil >TAKES heat more quickly, it will COOL OFF more quickly. > >Furthermore, the mass of the coil is what, three grams? The mass of >the entire vaporizer is what, a couple kilos? The mass of the coil >is miniscule compared to the entire mass of the vaporizer. The >surface area of the coil compared to that of the entire vaporizer is >equally miniscule. Futzing around with the coil is an exercise in >futility. > >There you have it. The Emperor has no clothes. > >Rob >All enraged Roo Eaters, please send your complaints to >helen at insulate.co.uk > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 8 15:06:29 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:06:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <005501c761d6$68ab7070$61a1693a@fred> Re- satrting coils 4 of our 5 Blackstones all have perforated stainless steel coils in Both main & starting chambers some have a mixture of half mild steel and balance stainless steel in the starting coil, with no load and( at 180 RPM.)on a cool day and idling for a long time they may stop after 3 hours or if the air temperature goes down,2 Clutterbucks react the same, but our 3HP. Vertical has no Timing valve,no main coil and has 7- 5/16 steel nuts in the starting chamber and will idle all day with no load. When one of our engines stops at a rally it is good for the spectators to see the eng. and the procedure for re- starting and we now stop and start regularly during the show So the stopping problem is now part of our display. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Mar 8 23:35:55 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:35:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Dardanup heritage park, western australia References: <007901c7616c$4b657110$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <006001c7621d$9cea6890$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Sorry I missed it this year Kevin towards next years Brookton .In the mean time we have a few on down here Albany way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin armstrong" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:26 PM Subject: [SEL] Dardanup heritage park, western australia >I displayed my Massey Harris engine & grister at the Dardanup Heritage >Park display of Massey Harris engines, tractors & machinery, etc > there was even some tangye engines on display about 15 of different hp > from 3.5hp to 100hp > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/DARDANUP%20SHOW%20MARCH%202007.htm > > for a movie of the 100hp tangye operating try this > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/movies.htm > > Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong > Collectors of old things > Perth > WA > Australia > Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member > V.C.C. of WA. member > k_armstrong at arach.net.au > www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Mar 9 00:42:42 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:42:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <005501c761d6$68ab7070$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <00af01c76226$eb0633c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Hot tubes are something I have yet to experience .So I read with great interest all the previous comments. My engine did have the remains of two hot tubes ,one internal ,the other external. The remains of the internal seemed to comprise of a thin walled brass tube containing a rolled Asbestos type of material. This internal tube was screwed in horizontally to the combustion chamber. The external tube was roughly 12mm diam x100mm long ,with a 3mm hole bored up its length . This was screwed in a vertical position externally in the combustion chamber. For some reason it had a square point on it's end All a bit of a mystery! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > Re- satrting coils 4 of our 5 Blackstones all have perforated stainless > steel coils in Both main & starting chambers some have a mixture of half > mild steel and balance stainless steel in the starting coil, with no load > and( at 180 RPM.)on a cool day and idling for a long time they may stop > after 3 hours or if the air temperature goes down,2 Clutterbucks react the > same, but our 3HP. Vertical has no Timing valve,no main coil and has 7- > 5/16 > steel nuts in the starting chamber and will idle all day with no load. > When one of our engines stops at a rally it is good for the spectators to > see the eng. and the procedure for re- starting and we now stop and start > regularly during the show > So the stopping problem is now part of our display. > Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03) 97266147 > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Mar 9 02:49:33 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:49:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Users of Ebay info on display Message-ID: <003001c76238$9f878d60$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I did a Google search on my Ebay user name and others, very surprising what came up. It showed links to every technical site, forum, Harry's Web Site, Ebay listing, feedbacks, bid history, Skype calling ID's, etc etc etc for all to see. Try Googling anyones Ebay user ID I did hear on one of the Computer Tech Podcasts that I listen to from the USA, that rumours where that Google was secretly developing the worlds first artificial intelligence. Just think of how many search words and phrases are used via Google each day, they know how we think !!!!!!!! Oh well, I will just have another rum before I go to bed. Peter, Oz From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Mar 9 09:43:28 2007 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:43:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070309093955.04a453d0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi..... Yesterday a friend of mine showed me an engine that he would like to know who made it. It is hit and miss governed and spark plug ignited. The casting numbers end in the letter A with the head being 2A and the rocker arm 27A. See pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/vertical/ Thanks for any help in identifying it. Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From ddotto at cableone.net Fri Mar 9 11:18:31 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:18:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20070309093955.04a453d0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20070309093955.04a453d0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c7627f$b9a33cc0$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Jerry Well since on one else has chimed in; my vote is Root & Vandervort. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:43 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine > > Hi..... > > Yesterday a friend of mine showed me an engine that he would like to know > who made it. It is hit and miss governed and spark plug ignited. The > casting numbers end in the letter A with the head being 2A and the rocker > arm 27A. See pictures at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/vertical/ > > Thanks for any help in identifying it. > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Mar 9 13:38:28 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:38:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine In-Reply-To: <000101c7627f$b9a33cc0$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <786867.84396.qm@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Larry I second Dave's conclusion. The Gas Tank base screams R&V along with several other features on the engine. Several Rough R&V Verticals were sold at this auction last fall. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006Thanks.htm Steve --- Dave Otto wrote: Hi Jerry Well since on one else has chimed in; my vote is Root & Vandervort. Dave -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:43 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine Hi..... Yesterday a friend of mine showed me an engine that he would like to know who made it. It is hit and miss governed and spark plug ignited. The casting numbers end in the letter A with the head being 2A and the rocker arm 27A. See pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/vertical/ Thanks for any help in identifying it. Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 9 14:11:12 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:11:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine In-Reply-To: <786867.84396.qm@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <786867.84396.qm@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 45F1DB80.3060302@scrtc.com Steve, Some of those prices seem cheap. They must have had many problems (cracked hubs, cyl, etc.). I noticed the one shot of the repaired flywheel hub. I sure wouldn't have run that baby! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Larry > >I second Dave's conclusion. The Gas Tank base screams R&V along with >several other features on the engine. > >Several Rough R&V Verticals were sold at this auction last fall. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006Thanks.htm > > >Steve > > From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Fri Mar 9 15:06:29 2007 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:06:29 +0900 Subject: [SEL] DARDENUP HERITAGE PARK Message-ID: <00af01c7629f$92860fd0$f301a8c0@armstrong> Congratulations bill at antique-engines you are the winner of a free entry to the Dardanup Heritage Park, as you were the first person of only 2 people that took the time and effort to respond to my post. All you have to do is visit Perth Western Australia to be able to collect your prise. http://www.dardanupheritagepark.com.au Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Mar 9 15:10:22 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:10:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine References: <786867.84396.qm@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 45F1DB80.3060302@scrtc.com Message-ID: <002a01c762a0$1d8ae600$0601a8c0@altech> I withdraw my previous statement, it could be a VERY VERY early model R&V, an "A" series vertical, any idea what HP ??? I will ask a guy I know to clarify this, back in a day or so. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Steve, > Some of those prices seem cheap. They must have had many problems > (cracked hubs, cyl, etc.). I noticed the one shot of the repaired > flywheel hub. I sure wouldn't have run that baby! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > >>Larry >> >>I second Dave's conclusion. The Gas Tank base screams R&V along with >>several other features on the engine. >> >>Several Rough R&V Verticals were sold at this auction last fall. >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2006Thanks.htm >> >> >>Steve >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Mar 9 15:14:29 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:14:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine In-Reply-To: <002a01c762a0$1d8ae600$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070309231426.GET27553.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Peter, I think you were right the first time. If it is a very early R&V it would not have a spark plug hole cast in the head. There are a few R&Vish things on the engine but quite a few things that are not. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I withdraw my previous statement, it could be a VERY VERY early model R&V, an "A" series vertical, any idea what HP ??? I will ask a guy I know to clarify this, back in a day or so. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Mar 9 15:19:37 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:19:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine References: <20070309231426.GET27553.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003c01c762a1$682e25e0$0601a8c0@altech> It looks like R&V and then again NOT, !!!!!!!!!! Mmmmmmmmmmm strange, the early "A" series vertical (pre 1903) still had an ignitor with the two horizontal bolt holes. I will ring my contact in the US in a couple of hours. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Hi Peter, > I think you were right the first time. > If it is a very early R&V it would not have a spark plug hole cast in the > head. > There are a few R&Vish things on the engine but quite a few things that > are > not. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > I withdraw my previous statement, it could be a VERY VERY early model R&V, > an "A" series vertical, any idea what HP ??? > I will ask a guy I know to clarify this, back in a day or so. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Mar 9 15:25:51 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:25:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine In-Reply-To: <003c01c762a1$682e25e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070309232547.QEFK14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> A closer look at the engine and pictures of R&V verticals that I have on file (and catalogues) reveal a lot of similarities. I have never come across one with a head cast for a spark plug but I would not put anything past R&V. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 9 22:07:17 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:07:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <00af01c76226$eb0633c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <005501c761d6$68ab7070$61a1693a@fred> <00af01c76226$eb0633c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <03390987-2293-4052-BE48-16D60D5F5277@rustyiron.com> Hi Peter, Is this the engine for which you were asking about a fuel supply back in January? I was hoping someone would reply on list, but never saw anything. How's it coming along? Rob On Mar 9, 2007, at 12:42 AM, peter ogborne wrote: > My engine did have the remains of two hot tubes ,one internal ,the > other > external. The remains of the internal seemed to comprise of a thin > walled > brass tube containing a rolled Asbestos type of material. This > internal tube > was screwed in horizontally to the combustion chamber. From nick at holden1.net Sat Mar 10 04:27:08 2007 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:27:08 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine References: <20070309232547.QEFK14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <45F2A41C.000003.02708@YOUR-447023AE6B> Hi Larry Its not the same but its close to a Fairbanks Morse Maybe a later model with spark plug See my photos Astle Park 2006 no 41 Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Patrick M Livingstone Date: 09/03/2007 23:27:31 To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: Re: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine A closer look at the engine and pictures of R&V verticals that I have on file (and catalogues) reveal a lot of similarities. I have never come across one with a head cast for a spark plug but I would not put anything past R&V. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.447 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/716 - Release Date: 09/03/2007 18:53 . From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 10 07:11:53 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:11:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Thanks for the Blackstone pic. As always, when one has to work from pictures, this raises a number of additional questions. Your Blackstone is a pretty awesome restoration project BTW!! 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/blackstonemain.html Can you talk me through the "and the magic happens here" bit with regard to that vaporizer? Even with the sectioned view its not absolutely clear how things flow. Let me describe what I think is happening and perhaps you can put me back on the rails when I run off? As you face the engine, the initial atomized air/kero mix enters the outer chamber from the left. When the vapor valve (located on the right side) is operated it allows transfer from the outer chamber to the inner central chamber. As we've discussed, that mix is too rich to ignite. The mix moves into the head via the timing valve, mixes with more air, and comes back into the vaporizer again on compression via the timing valve to be ignited. I think the ignition coil is in the main central chamber, correct? What is in that connected lower chamber (with the side rusted out)? http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/03091511.JPG On the Austral, the timing valve is located nearest to the head and is horizontal. The vapor valve comes in from the top and the air/kero gets sucked in from the side. Then there's what looks to be an upper and a lower chamber, each of which has some bits screwed in. Rob, which is the ignition coil case; upper or lower (upper I think)? And what's the other one? There's also a pair of plugs screwed in to the vaporizer; one in the "front" and one in the "rear top" above the timing valve. Any thoughts on those? Thanks!! See ya, Arnie On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > For a bit of help here is the sectioned hot-bulb off my Blackstone. They are > identical in design to the Austral ones: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG > > And here's a look at the vaporizer with the outer heat shield removed. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Vaporizer.jpg From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 10 13:41:14 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:41:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Unknown vertical engine References: <786867.84396.qm@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c7635c$d43e4420$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all At this point in time I am going to stick my neck out, I am saying R&V between <1903 and 1906, 1hp. I am wondering if the hole where the spark plug fits and ignitor should go, has not been ground back and filled, then plug fitted??? If the head was sand blasted it might reveal some modification. The casting numbers fit the R&V numbering pattern for 1hp engines, I have asked Larry to give me all the casting numbers to help identify it. Still waiting to hear from my US contact who has one of these. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 8 03:38:24 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:38:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Dardanup heritage park, western australia References: <007901c7616c$4b657110$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <000601c76176$48ad7170$c4c3ecdc@morris> G'Day Kevin Thanks for the photos liked the Tangye engines but why is there is a large number of Tangye, are they plentiful in the west Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ skype ID: ozengine >I displayed my Massey Harris engine & grister at the Dardanup Heritage >Park display of Massey Harris engines, tractors & machinery, etc > there was even some tangye engines on display about 15 of different hp > from 3.5hp to 100hp > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/DARDANUP%20SHOW%20MARCH%202007.htm > > for a movie of the 100hp tangye operating try this > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/movies.htm > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Mar 10 18:15:00 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:15:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><005501c761d6$68ab7070$61a1693a@fred><00af01c76226$eb0633c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> <03390987-2293-4052-BE48-16D60D5F5277@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <004701c76383$16aa17a0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Rob ........still working on it . Have managed to find a young guy ,lives not far from me who is a dead keen foundry man .He is building a beautiful furnace ,sump oil fired . I have been doing a bit of machining for him so he will cast my bearing caps . As for the fuel system ,Brian Watts another Australian who seems to know a bit about these type of engines has been sending me some info. I guess my engine is just one of the many out there that is of unknown make, still it makes it interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > Hi Peter, > Is this the engine for which you were asking about a fuel supply back > in January? I was hoping someone would reply on list, but never saw > anything. How's it coming along? > > Rob > > > On Mar 9, 2007, at 12:42 AM, peter ogborne wrote: >> My engine did have the remains of two hot tubes ,one internal ,the >> other >> external. The remains of the internal seemed to comprise of a thin >> walled >> brass tube containing a rolled Asbestos type of material. This >> internal tube >> was screwed in horizontally to the combustion chamber. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 10 21:05:22 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:05:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts Message-ID: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Gang what would be the proper amount of torque to apply to the head bolts on my 1905 5HP Vertical Stover. I know most everyone just tightens them until it feels right but I would like to torque them down before I try and start it. Thanks, Paul From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 10 21:40:16 2007 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:40:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts In-Reply-To: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <694432.34930.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul, Read this: http://www.zerofast.com/torque.htm It will tell you all you will need to know on the subject. The big thing is to tighten it evenly, in small, progressive amounts. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 10 22:19:19 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:19:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts References: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <029e01c763a5$36aa1ba0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Strip tight then back a flat. Never been known to fail! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts > Hey Gang what would be the proper amount of torque to apply to the head > bolts on my 1905 5HP Vertical Stover. I know most everyone just tightens > them until it feels right but I would like to torque them down before I > try and start it. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 10 22:32:49 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:32:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts References: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> <029e01c763a5$36aa1ba0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00df01c763a7$170859e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Please Interpret (decode) (simplify) your message Reg! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts > Strip tight then back a flat. Never been known to fail! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:05 PM > Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Mar 10 23:30:24 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:30:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts Message-ID: <20070310.233025.592.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Paul. What is the thread size? 1/2x13 try 45, 9/16x12 try 55, 5/8x11 try 85. This would work for grade 0,1,2. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:05:22 -0600 "Paul Maples" writes: > Hey Gang what would be the proper amount of torque to apply to the > head bolts on my 1905 5HP Vertical Stover. I know most everyone just > tightens them until it feels right but I would like to torque them > down before I try and start it. > > Thanks, > > Paul From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 11 00:12:25 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:12:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts In-Reply-To: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6f6025160703110012i4acf6dadn970229afde5659fe@mail.gmail.com> On 11/03/07, Paul Maples wrote: > Hey Gang what would be the proper amount of torque to apply to the head bolts on my 1905 5HP Vertical Stover. I know most everyone just tightens them until it feels right but I would like to torque them down before I try and start it. > > Thanks, > > Paul > Be careful using modern tables for early 1900's studs and nuts, the materials used then were NOT the same strength! Lister produced a table of torques for their earlier engines, and these are valid for almost anything built earlier than 1930. The table is reproduced on the end of the Lister Restoration and Rebuild article on our website: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Articles/rrchapt8.htm The top half of the table has values for Whitworth (Coarse) and BSF (Fine) threads which cover bolt/stud diameters up to 3/4" Whit and 5/8" BSF. Use whichever table is appropriate for the type of threads on your engine. Metric torque figures are also included for completeness and for those guys in Europe that don't have Foot Pounds on their torque wrenches. HTH Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 11 00:15:14 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:15:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Daylight Time Changes in the USA Message-ID: <6f6025160703110015n50c1d550h7d502675bc1a32d4@mail.gmail.com> Saw this on the BBC website this morning: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6438563.stm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 11 06:08:36 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:08:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts In-Reply-To: <00df01c763a7$170859e0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> <029e01c763a5$36aa1ba0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <00df01c763a7$170859e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070311080752.052abdc8@mail.alltel.net> Try to keep it clean Reg--remember this is a family list! Dave At 01:32 AM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >Please Interpret (decode) (simplify) your message Reg! > >Paul > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "R & M Ingold" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:19 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts > > > > Strip tight then back a flat. Never been known to fail! > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Maples" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:05 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 11 05:55:51 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:55:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch (OT) Message-ID: Glenn, Please contact me off-list. The several email addys I have for you are bouncing. Thanks. Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 11 08:22:55 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:22:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo Message-ID: Howdy all; Talked to a lady last night who's friend has a rolled up panoramic photo of a threshing crew. During the unroll, it cracked so she stopped. Now she'd like to know what could be done to get it unrolled and flat. As I've seen a couple of these old panoramic photo's, I would swag one foot by three foot. Anyone have any suggestions?? Regards, RickinMt. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 11 08:57:57 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:57:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts References: <009901c7639a$dff7f070$240110ac@FAMILY> <6f6025160703110012i4acf6dadn970229afde5659fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701c763f6$0c53ed80$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Peter I will go and check this site out. Paul > On 11/03/07, Paul Maples wrote: >> Hey Gang what would be the proper amount of torque to apply to the head >> bolts on my 1905 5HP Vertical Stover. I know most everyone just tightens >> them until it feels right but I would like to torque them down before I >> try and start it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Paul >> > > Be careful using modern tables for early 1900's studs and nuts, the > materials used then were NOT the same strength! > > Lister produced a table of torques for their earlier engines, and > these are valid for almost anything built earlier than 1930. > > The table is reproduced on the end of the Lister Restoration and > Rebuild article on our website: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Articles/rrchapt8.htm > > The top half of the table has values for Whitworth (Coarse) and BSF > (Fine) threads which cover bolt/stud diameters up to 3/4" Whit and > 5/8" BSF. > > Use whichever table is appropriate for the type of threads on your engine. > > Metric torque figures are also included for completeness and for those > guys in Europe that don't have Foot Pounds on their torque wrenches. > > HTH > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Mar 11 09:09:30 2007 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don.) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:09:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo References: Message-ID: <000901c763f7$a6d13970$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498> In the process of makeing it .It went through several stages of printing solutions then it was hung to dry or they used a printing dryer which looks like two pices of shiny metal that the paper is streched on the inside of the unit is a heater. She might be able to just use a command clothes iron So I would just get it wet again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo > > Howdy all; > > Talked to a lady last night who's friend has a rolled up panoramic > photo of a threshing crew. During the unroll, it cracked so she stopped. > Now she'd like to know what could be done to get it unrolled and flat. > > As I've seen a couple of these old panoramic photo's, I would swag one > foot by three foot. > > Anyone have any suggestions?? > > Regards, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Mar 11 09:11:38 2007 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don.) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:11:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo References: Message-ID: <000c01c763f7$f2b86070$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498> Sorry I hit the enter key to fast.. then after its flatten out go to you local arts store and get a hung of foam board with the sticky back and put it on there to keep it flat then just frame it.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo > > Howdy all; > > Talked to a lady last night who's friend has a rolled up panoramic > photo of a threshing crew. During the unroll, it cracked so she stopped. > Now she'd like to know what could be done to get it unrolled and flat. > > As I've seen a couple of these old panoramic photo's, I would swag one > foot by three foot. > > Anyone have any suggestions?? > > Regards, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 10 22:31:23 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:31:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts References: <694432.34930.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d001c763a6$e4383bc0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Joe but I have no idea what grade these bolts are, they are 1/2" in diameter so I assume that they are 1-2 X 13 bolts but that is about all I know. The Stover literature I have just say's cylinder head stud and nut. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Torque Setting for Head Bolts > Paul, > Read this: > http://www.zerofast.com/torque.htm > It will tell you all you will need to know on the subject. The big thing > is to tighten it evenly, in small, progressive amounts. > Joe > > > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 8 13:39:41 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:39:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> OK.So When I replaced my ign coil in my Austral to a 22g one from the original and it will now run all day without a lamp under it and before it wouldn't and all of us Ozies that do the same or use stainless steel mesh are having our selves on.I also did the same to my 8HP Blackstone and it also ran all day without external heat.Also try getting a piece of 22g steel and apply heat.Then get a piece of 8g steel and apply heat.See which gets hot faster.Also the Austral is generating heat all the time by compression and this aids in keeping the ign area hot on idle strokes.They don't decompress on idle strokes like a normal hit miss they do it by the fuel valve not opening and letting in fuel. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: Cc: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > On Mar 8, 2007, at 2:53 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> My engine is running its original mild steel primary coil but I do >> not have a starting coil in the lower chamber. Some of the guys >> have been >> experimenting with various materials to try and stop the cooling >> off problem >> of an unloaded engine. Some have tried replacing the coil by >> filling the >> chamber with brass nuts. > > Ok Patrick. You opened the can of worms. I'm gonna fling 'em all > over the place. It might take the PhD or the Nukular Scientist to > clean up the mess. > > I contend that changing the material or the configuration of the > material is utter bollocks. > > Consider the stock coil. When the engine fires, the coil TAKES heat > from the fire depending on a heat-exchange coefficient. Then over > the "miss" cycles, the coil gives up heat using the same > coefficient. Eventually there is a compression stroke, and the coil > will still be giving up heat using the same coefficient. The rate of > heat exchange for a particular coil is dependent on the pressure in > the coil case and composition of the gas in contact with the coil. > These will be constant independent of the coil. > > If we change the composition of the coil or the surface area of the > coil, we can affect the rate of heat exchange. BUT, if the coil > TAKES heat more quickly, it will COOL OFF more quickly. > > Furthermore, the mass of the coil is what, three grams? The mass of > the entire vaporizer is what, a couple kilos? The mass of the coil > is miniscule compared to the entire mass of the vaporizer. The > surface area of the coil compared to that of the entire vaporizer is > equally miniscule. Futzing around with the coil is an exercise in > futility. > > There you have it. The Emperor has no clothes. > > Rob > All enraged Roo Eaters, please send your complaints to > helen at insulate.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 11 13:42:34 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:42:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Daylight Time Changes in the USA In-Reply-To: <6f6025160703110015n50c1d550h7d502675bc1a32d4@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6f6025160703110015n50c1d550h7d502675bc1a32d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070311154200.052d4ba8@mail.alltel.net> At 03:15 AM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >Saw this on the BBC website this morning: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6438563.stm > >Peter Hi Peter, Why is this relevant to anything? Dave From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Mar 11 14:18:29 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:18:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo References: <000c01c763f7$f2b86070$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498> Message-ID: <000c01c76422$d0ba1470$0601a8c0@altech> I would be careful wetting it again, I know high humidity here makes photos roll up on their own. Maybe steaming it gently from the back??? Any damage could be scanned and then repaired and re-printed using say, Photoshop etc. Peter, Oz >> Howdy all; >> >> Talked to a lady last night who's friend has a rolled up panoramic >> photo of a threshing crew. During the unroll, it cracked so she stopped. >> Now she'd like to know what could be done to get it unrolled and flat. >> >> As I've seen a couple of these old panoramic photo's, I would swag one >> foot by three foot. >> >> Anyone have any suggestions?? >> >> Regards, >> RickinMt. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 11 13:27:54 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:27:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: G'day Edd, I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) If I'm understanding correctly, the main ignition coil goes in the center chamber and a starting coil goes into the lower chamber. Is that correct? When you are referring to 22g and 8g steel, I'm assuming that you're referring to sheet metal gage; i.e. 22ga = 0.031" thk and 8ga = 0.168" thk. Is that correct? Have you seen any significant difference between using ordinary carbon steel and stainless steel? When you refer to using stainless steel mesh, what are you using that for? And is it something like a chunk of pot scrubber? Would you share the "design" of your Austral ignition and starting coils? Overall dimensions, number of turns, etc. Are you using the stock coil housing? Thanks mate!! As it sits, Dave's 11 hp Austral will run for about 30 minutes when the lamp is turned off so I'm guessing that it wouldn't take much to improve things to "all day running." BTW, what hp is your Austral; 5 hp? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > OK.So When I replaced my ign coil in my Austral to a 22g one from the > original and it will now run all day without a lamp under it and before it > wouldn't and all of us Ozies that do the same or use stainless steel mesh > are having our selves on.I also did the same to my 8HP Blackstone and it > also ran all day without external heat.Also try getting a piece of 22g steel > and apply heat.Then get a piece of 8g steel and apply heat.See which gets > hot faster.Also the Austral is generating heat all the time by compression > and this aids in keeping the ign area hot on idle strokes.They don't > decompress on idle strokes like a normal hit miss they do it by the fuel > valve not opening and letting in fuel. From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 11 14:58:12 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:58:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <001a01c76428$5de819f0$3494ecdc@Edd> I was wondering if my reply would still be relevant,I posted it 3days ago and kept getting undeliverable messages.Now back to the question.Yes Arnie I am talking sheet steel and in the centre chamber.I have made my coil the same dimensions and # of coils as the original and used what material I had on hand which was a piece of galvanised tin .I did this several years ago and it is still working great.Several blokes I know use a local product called termimesh,This is a stainless steel mesh used under concrete house slabs to stop termites.Those that use it swear by it. Now here is a rundown of my starting /running procedure .Light up original 2 burner Austral lamp and heat vaporiser till kero flashes when a small amount is dropped on the hot surface .Then do the normal bounce start procedure.I have the water flow full open.When the water flows through the tower I shut it of completely until the cylinder is hot so you can just bear to lay your hand on it then just crack open the water enough to maintain this temperature.I leave the heating lamp on all this time or for at least 30min after start up.I then remove lamp and put in heat retaining slide where the lamp was and also the top cover or close the vent holes depending on model of engine.I also run the engine about 150rpm or a little faster till all this is achieved then slow it down to about 120rpm.This works great for me and a lot of it is getting used to your engine and what works best for you. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > G'day Edd, > > I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and > I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming > that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it > ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) > > If I'm understanding correctly, the main ignition coil goes in the center > chamber and a starting coil goes into the lower chamber. Is that correct? > > When you are referring to 22g and 8g steel, I'm assuming that you're > referring to sheet metal gage; i.e. 22ga = 0.031" thk and > 8ga = 0.168" thk. Is that correct? Have you seen any significant > difference between using ordinary carbon steel and stainless steel? > > When you refer to using stainless steel mesh, what are you using that for? > And is it something like a chunk of pot scrubber? > > Would you share the "design" of your Austral ignition and starting coils? > Overall dimensions, number of turns, etc. Are you using the stock coil > housing? > > Thanks mate!! As it sits, Dave's 11 hp Austral will run for about 30 > minutes when the lamp is turned off so I'm guessing that it wouldn't take > much to improve things to "all day running." > > BTW, what hp is your Austral; 5 hp? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA USA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > >> OK.So When I replaced my ign coil in my Austral to a 22g one from the >> original and it will now run all day without a lamp under it and before >> it >> wouldn't and all of us Ozies that do the same or use stainless steel mesh >> are having our selves on.I also did the same to my 8HP Blackstone and it >> also ran all day without external heat.Also try getting a piece of 22g >> steel >> and apply heat.Then get a piece of 8g steel and apply heat.See which gets >> hot faster.Also the Austral is generating heat all the time by >> compression >> and this aids in keeping the ign area hot on idle strokes.They don't >> decompress on idle strokes like a normal hit miss they do it by the fuel >> valve not opening and letting in fuel. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 11 15:02:23 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:02:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <001d01c76428$f32dc140$3494ecdc@Edd> Just a little more.My engine is a1916 5.5hp portable.Also the stainless mesh is rolled into a coil to about the same dimensions as the original and placed in the centre chamber and yes in the stock housing. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > G'day Edd, > > I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and > I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming > that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it > ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) > > If I'm understanding correctly, the main ignition coil goes in the center > chamber and a starting coil goes into the lower chamber. Is that correct? > > When you are referring to 22g and 8g steel, I'm assuming that you're > referring to sheet metal gage; i.e. 22ga = 0.031" thk and > 8ga = 0.168" thk. Is that correct? Have you seen any significant > difference between using ordinary carbon steel and stainless steel? > > When you refer to using stainless steel mesh, what are you using that for? > And is it something like a chunk of pot scrubber? > > Would you share the "design" of your Austral ignition and starting coils? > Overall dimensions, number of turns, etc. Are you using the stock coil > housing? > > Thanks mate!! As it sits, Dave's 11 hp Austral will run for about 30 > minutes when the lamp is turned off so I'm guessing that it wouldn't take > much to improve things to "all day running." > > BTW, what hp is your Austral; 5 hp? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA USA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > >> OK.So When I replaced my ign coil in my Austral to a 22g one from the >> original and it will now run all day without a lamp under it and before >> it >> wouldn't and all of us Ozies that do the same or use stainless steel mesh >> are having our selves on.I also did the same to my 8HP Blackstone and it >> also ran all day without external heat.Also try getting a piece of 22g >> steel >> and apply heat.Then get a piece of 8g steel and apply heat.See which gets >> hot faster.Also the Austral is generating heat all the time by >> compression >> and this aids in keeping the ign area hot on idle strokes.They don't >> decompress on idle strokes like a normal hit miss they do it by the fuel >> valve not opening and letting in fuel. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 11 14:13:58 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:13:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <001a01c76428$5de819f0$3494ecdc@Edd> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <001a01c76428$5de819f0$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: G'day Edd, Thanks!! That's pretty much how Dave & I start & run the engine. We're using a propane burner rather than one of the original lamps. I think we'll try running the cylinder a bit hotter as you describe. Are you doing anything by way of a starting coil in the lower chamber? BTW I might need to get one of these engines myself someday. They sure are sweet running crowd pleasers!! See ya, Arnie On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > I was wondering if my reply would still be relevant,I posted it 3days ago > and kept getting undeliverable messages.Now back to the question.Yes Arnie I > am talking sheet steel and in the centre chamber.I have made my coil the > same dimensions and # of coils as the original and used what material I had > on hand which was a piece of galvanised tin .I did this several years ago > and it is still working great.Several blokes I know use a local product > called termimesh,This is a stainless steel mesh used under concrete house > slabs to stop termites.Those that use it swear by it. > Now here is a rundown of my starting /running procedure .Light up original 2 > burner Austral lamp and heat vaporiser till kero flashes when a small amount > is dropped on the hot surface .Then do the normal bounce start procedure.I > have the water flow full open.When the water flows through the tower I shut > it of completely until the cylinder is hot so you can just bear to lay your > hand on it then just crack open the water enough to maintain this > temperature.I leave the heating lamp on all this time or for at least 30min > after start up.I then remove lamp and put in heat retaining slide where the > lamp was and also the top cover or close the vent holes depending on model > of engine.I also run the engine about 150rpm or a little faster till all > this is achieved then slow it down to about 120rpm.This works great for me > and a lot of it is getting used to your engine and what works best for you. From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 11 15:21:07 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:21:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd><001a01c76428$5de819f0$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <002601c7642b$91845a50$3494ecdc@Edd> Arnie.I have still got the original coil in the start chamber.Do you have a owners book for the engine.If you have it tells you some ways to keep engine hot on light loads.ie increase compression by adding various thickness plates at rod end,(increased compression generates more heat)Also advancing the timing valve to open earlier. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > G'day Edd, > > Thanks!! That's pretty much how Dave & I start & run the engine. We're > using a propane burner rather than one of the original lamps. I think > we'll try running the cylinder a bit hotter as you describe. > > Are you doing anything by way of a starting coil in the lower chamber? > > BTW I might need to get one of these engines myself someday. They sure > are sweet running crowd pleasers!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > >> I was wondering if my reply would still be relevant,I posted it 3days ago >> and kept getting undeliverable messages.Now back to the question.Yes >> Arnie I >> am talking sheet steel and in the centre chamber.I have made my coil the >> same dimensions and # of coils as the original and used what material I >> had >> on hand which was a piece of galvanised tin .I did this several years ago >> and it is still working great.Several blokes I know use a local product >> called termimesh,This is a stainless steel mesh used under concrete house >> slabs to stop termites.Those that use it swear by it. >> Now here is a rundown of my starting /running procedure .Light up >> original 2 >> burner Austral lamp and heat vaporiser till kero flashes when a small >> amount >> is dropped on the hot surface .Then do the normal bounce start >> procedure.I >> have the water flow full open.When the water flows through the tower I >> shut >> it of completely until the cylinder is hot so you can just bear to lay >> your >> hand on it then just crack open the water enough to maintain this >> temperature.I leave the heating lamp on all this time or for at least >> 30min >> after start up.I then remove lamp and put in heat retaining slide where >> the >> lamp was and also the top cover or close the vent holes depending on >> model >> of engine.I also run the engine about 150rpm or a little faster till all >> this is achieved then slow it down to about 120rpm.This works great for >> me >> and a lot of it is getting used to your engine and what works best for >> you. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Ratzandcatz at aol.com Sun Mar 11 17:12:47 2007 From: Ratzandcatz at aol.com (Ratzandcatz at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:12:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo Message-ID: I would contact a local photographer and ask their advice before doing anything as extreme as applying water to it myself. Wetting it could cause irreparable damage. Good luck, and if you get it unrolled, maybe you can get it scanned and post a link to it for us. Mell Ratman


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 11 18:08:31 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:08:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> Futher Mucker! I pay BIG BUCKS for an engine that runs GREAT and my best mate wants to take the damn thing apart to see why! Dave PS, Note to self, In the next life DO NOT choose an engineer as your best mate! At 03:27 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >G'day Edd, > >I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and >I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming >that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it >ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 11 18:19:31 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:19:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000a01c76444$7d91f660$3494ecdc@Edd> C'mon Dave where's your sense of adventure.Go get a carton of beer and by the time your finished them you won't even care. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > Futher Mucker! I pay BIG BUCKS for an engine that runs GREAT and my best > mate wants to take the damn thing apart to see why! > Dave > PS, Note to self, In the next life DO NOT choose an engineer as your best > mate! > > At 03:27 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >>G'day Edd, >> >>I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and >>I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming >>that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it >>ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 11 19:07:37 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:07:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Note to Arnie. In next life, Do NOT choose a whinging old Perfesser as a mate!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > Futher Mucker! I pay BIG BUCKS for an engine that runs GREAT and my best > mate wants to take the damn thing apart to see why! > Dave > PS, Note to self, In the next life DO NOT choose an engineer as your best > mate! > > At 03:27 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >>G'day Edd, >> >>I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and >>I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming >>that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it >>ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Sun Mar 11 20:01:13 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Panoramic photo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <306213.12303.qm@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick I wouldn't apply any fluid to it personally. My grandmother located a very old photo of her family when her father had purchased his first Model T. The photo was extremely damaged. It was folded up into a tight ball. It was taken to a local photo professional to be restored. ~$100 later, They had a nice useable photo. At time it was also reproduced into larger size to be put in a frame in the house. The photo would best served to be taken to a professional and have it done properly than risk damaging it further. Steve --- Richard Strobel wrote: Howdy all; Talked to a lady last night who's friend has a rolled up panoramic photo of a threshing crew. During the unroll, it cracked so she topped. Now she'd like to know what could be done to get it unrolled and flat. As I've seen a couple of these old panoramic photo's, I would swag one foot by three foot. Anyone have any suggestions?? Regards, RickinMt. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 10 20:11:50 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:11:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002801c76393$65ec5d40$61a1693a@fred> The way we set the timing vale is as stated in the Blackstone instruction instruction book,on the compression stroke with the crankshaft at 25 degrees bofore top dead centre the timing valve should be open .004 (4 thou) ,a bigger gap will gause the fuel vapor to ignite early and cause pre. ign. smaller gap will retard and cause eng. to stop. With crack in the lower ign. chamber we just cut the lower chanber of and make a new chamber out of cast iron bar and weld it to the hot bulb, this system has been used for the last 20 years and work well, no failures yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "'Old_Engine'" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > G'day Patrick, > > Thanks for the Blackstone pic. As always, when one has to work from > pictures, this raises a number of additional questions. > > Your Blackstone is a pretty awesome restoration project BTW!! 8-)) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/blackstonemain.html > > Can you talk me through the "and the magic happens here" bit with regard > to that vaporizer? Even with the sectioned view its not absolutely clear > how things flow. Let me describe what I think is happening and perhaps > you can put me back on the rails when I run off? > > As you face the engine, the initial atomized air/kero mix enters the outer > chamber from the left. When the vapor valve (located on the right side) > is operated it allows transfer from the outer chamber to the inner > central chamber. As we've discussed, that mix is too rich to ignite. The > mix moves into the head via the timing valve, mixes with more air, and > comes back into the vaporizer again on compression via the timing valve to > be ignited. > > I think the ignition coil is in the main central chamber, correct? What > is in that connected lower chamber (with the side rusted out)? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/03091511.JPG > > On the Austral, the timing valve is located nearest to the head and is > horizontal. The vapor valve comes in from the top and the air/kero gets > sucked in from the side. Then there's what looks to be an upper and a > lower chamber, each of which has some bits screwed in. Rob, which is the > ignition coil case; upper or lower (upper I think)? And what's the other > one? There's also a pair of plugs screwed in to the vaporizer; one in > the "front" and one in the "rear top" above the timing valve. Any > thoughts on those? > > Thanks!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> For a bit of help here is the sectioned hot-bulb off my Blackstone. They >> are >> identical in design to the Austral ones: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG >> >> And here's a look at the vaporizer with the outer heat shield removed. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Zolfo_2007/Vaporizer.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 10/03/2007 > 2:25 PM > > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 12 05:40:55 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:40:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/2007 9:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: DO NOT choose an engineer as your best mate Especially one that walks around all day in 90 deg weather drinking out of a coffee mug! 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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 11 18:36:00 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:36:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003b01c76446$ca721170$240110ac@FAMILY> Come On Dave, Let Ole Arnie tear into it, he might can engineer it to run on nuclear fuel and then you can order some from Iran. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > Futher Mucker! I pay BIG BUCKS for an engine that runs GREAT and my best > mate wants to take the damn thing apart to see why! > Dave > PS, Note to self, In the next life DO NOT choose an engineer as your best > mate! > > At 03:27 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >>G'day Edd, >> >>I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and >>I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming >> From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 12 07:44:28 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:44:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <002601c7642b$91845a50$3494ecdc@Edd> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd><001a01c76428$5de819f0$3494ecdc@Edd> <002601c7642b$91845a50$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: G'day Edd, Yep, we've got a nice copy of the manual. VERY good info in there. The engine does have both (1/2" & 1/4") of the thickness plates installed at the rod end. Do you hapen to know what the starting coil looks like? Also would you happen to know the dimensions of the original ignition coil? It would be interesting to compare the "original" dimensions to what's in there now. Plus it would give me some more leverage with Dave to take wrenches to HIS engine. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > Arnie.I have still got the original coil in the start chamber.Do you have a > owners book for the engine.If you have it tells you some ways to keep engine > hot on light loads.ie increase compression by adding various thickness > plates at rod end,(increased compression generates more heat)Also advancing > the timing valve to open earlier. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 12 06:54:29 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:54:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] DARDENUP HERITAGE PARK In-Reply-To: <00af01c7629f$92860fd0$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: Kevin, I looked at and enjoyed your photos. I didn't respond though. I wouldn't worry about it. I have posted pictures from shows many times and don't get a response. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. I just assume that my pics are viewed and enjoyed. After all we're all gear heads and enjoy looking at any engines and mechanical stuff. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "kevin armstrong" > >as you were the first person of only 2 people that took the time and effort >to respond to my post. All you have to do is visit Perth Western Australia >to be able to collect your prise. > >Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong >Collectors of old things >Perth >WA >Australia >Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member >V.C.C. of WA. member >k_armstrong at arach.net.au >www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 12 09:13:37 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:13:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: G'day Reg, No worries mate, Dave's a goodun. And as long as he puts a slab of stubbies on ice and keeps his ass in the chair while I wrench on HIS Austral, everything will be fine. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > Note to Arnie. In next life, > Do NOT choose a whinging old Perfesser as a mate!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > > > Futher Mucker! I pay BIG BUCKS for an engine that runs GREAT and my best > > mate wants to take the damn thing apart to see why! > > Dave > > PS, Note to self, In the next life DO NOT choose an engineer as your best > > mate! > > > > At 03:27 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: > >>G'day Edd, > >> > >>I'm keenly interested in the Austral experience that you relate below and > >>I'd like to do some experimenting with Dave's 11 hp Austral. Assuming > >>that is that I can bring him around to our government's philosophy "If it > >>ain't broken, keep fixing it till it is." 8-)) From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 12 09:23:29 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:23:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> Ya know, I think Dave has good reason to worry. Lets look at the track record of enkineer v. perfessor...... -How many shows did the Bessemer get dragged to at which it did not run a lick? -After Craig worked his magic, how many more shows did the Bessemer get dragged to where is did not run?, or sporadically ran? -How many engine men darned near gave their lives ( or at least wore their arses slap out) giving a hand with getting Bessie to run? -And how about that cart failure a few years ago? OTOH, there is perfessor Dave. -Other than a dead battery I don't think I've ever seen one of Dave's engines NOT running! (other than the Maytag) -His engines run like Singer sewing machines. Never a skip, double suck, burp.....just chuff, chuff, chuff all day long. -Dave starts his own engines. Effortlessly I might add! -We've never seen a transport failure under one of Dave's engines. Given all the evidence I'd say Dave has good reason to worry about Arnie approaching his Austral with a set of King Dicks. Yeah Dave, you can take Arnie's suggestion of keeping your arse in a chair, but do so with a long switch in your hand, and swat him if even so much as casts a lustful mechanic's eye toward your running engine! Curt H Arnie Fero wrote: > G'day Reg, > > No worries mate, Dave's a goodun. And as long as he puts a slab of > stubbies on ice and keeps his ass in the chair while I wrench on HIS > Austral, everything will be fine. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > >>> Futher Mucker! I pay BIG BUCKS for an engine that runs GREAT and my best >>> mate wants to take the damn thing apart to see why! >>> Dave >>> PS, Note to self, In the next life DO NOT choose an engineer as your best >>> mate! >>> >>> From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 12 10:45:54 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:45:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> Message-ID: ROFLMAO!! Picky, picky, picky.... One minor Strength of Materials glitch and one show at which Bessie was dismantled with cylinder and piston handed off to Craig and folks NEVER forget. As to keeping a long switch in his hand, I dare say Dave reserves THAT behavior for Bambi & Nitro. If he spots me headed for the Austral with wrenches in hand I'd expect to see the .357 wheelgun being drawn. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Curt wrote: > Ya know, I think Dave has good reason to worry. Lets look at the track > record of enkineer v. perfessor...... > > -How many shows did the Bessemer get dragged to at which it did not run > a lick? > -After Craig worked his magic, how many more shows did the Bessemer get > dragged to where is did not run?, or sporadically ran? > -How many engine men darned near gave their lives ( or at least wore > their arses slap out) giving a hand with getting Bessie to run? > -And how about that cart failure a few years ago? > > OTOH, there is perfessor Dave. > -Other than a dead battery I don't think I've ever seen one of Dave's > engines NOT running! (other than the Maytag) > -His engines run like Singer sewing machines. Never a skip, double suck, > burp.....just chuff, chuff, chuff all day long. > -Dave starts his own engines. Effortlessly I might add! > -We've never seen a transport failure under one of Dave's engines. > > Given all the evidence I'd say Dave has good reason to worry about Arnie > approaching his Austral with a set of King Dicks. > Yeah Dave, you can take Arnie's suggestion of keeping your arse in a > chair, but do so with a long switch in your hand, and swat him if even > so much as casts a lustful mechanic's eye toward your running engine! > Curt H From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 12 10:19:25 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:19:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Alec Stevens Message-ID: <45F58B9D.3090601@imc-group.com> Alec, Your addy is bouncing. Can you contact me please. Curt Holland From shop at cccomm.net Mon Mar 12 11:03:32 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:03:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb References: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002801c76393$65ec5d40$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <00a601c764d0$c0652de0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Where do I find information such as a serial number list for an International Harvester 1 hp Tom Thumb? Thanks Dave From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Mar 12 11:38:12 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:38:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb Message-ID: <380-220073112183812601@coastalnet.com> Dave, Here is a IHC serial number list: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ Several 1HP engines listed here: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-5-a.jpg Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Dave Ernst > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/12/2007 2:05:46 PM > Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb > > Where do I find information such as a serial number list for an > International Harvester 1 hp Tom Thumb? > > Thanks > Dave From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 12 14:00:37 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:00:37 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb References: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002801c76393$65ec5d40$61a1693a@fred> <00a601c764d0$c0652de0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <000901c764e9$834fef80$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb > Where do I find information such as a serial number list for an > International Harvester 1 hp Tom Thumb? > Thanks > Dave Hi Dave, of the 100+ engines I have owned in the last 30 years the IHC "Tom Thumb" is the engine I most regret selling when my wife's failing health caused me to sell most engines to pay for foreign holidays while we still could travel. My engine came from Denmark where it had been converted to an air pump but I found most of the removed bits were still stored. I restored it well & ran it for years. The main problem I had was the sleeve on the governor that wore out every 2 years & had to be remade twice. See http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/26047737QuuZsbPbbw?start=36 There is a picture of my engine & a drawing of a Tom Thumb with part numbers. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 12 14:26:31 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:26:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb References: <20070304041211.QBXQ25724.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002801c76393$65ec5d40$61a1693a@fred><00a601c764d0$c0652de0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <000901c764e9$834fef80$e5c30b52@no1> Message-ID: <00bd01c764ed$2670ec70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Wendell's handbook had engine number/year info in it. I dated my Tom Thumb from it. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 12 14:44:28 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:44:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:24:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Given all the evidence I'd say Dave has good reason to worry about Arnie approaching his Austral with a set of King Dicks Yes, and now "black feet rot" on top of that!! Sure wish I had a photo of them! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 12 14:55:06 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:55:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tom Thumb Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 5:02:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: I restored it well Yes indeed, you sure did a nice job Dave! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Mar 12 16:03:22 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:03:22 +0800 Subject: [SEL] DARDENUP HERITAGE PARK References: <00af01c7629f$92860fd0$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <003f01c764fa$a5b14bd0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Sorry to see that your generosity does not extend to offering consolation prizes ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin armstrong" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 7:06 AM Subject: [SEL] DARDENUP HERITAGE PARK > > Congratulations bill at antique-engines you are the winner of a free entry to > the Dardanup Heritage Park, as you were the first person of only 2 people > that took the time and effort to respond to my post. All you have to do is > visit Perth Western Australia to be able to collect your prise. > > http://www.dardanupheritagepark.com.au > > Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong > Collectors of old things > Perth > WA > Australia > Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member > V.C.C. of WA. member > k_armstrong at arach.net.au > www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Mar 12 15:10:11 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:10:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another sad day Message-ID: <000801c764f3$348f8540$6500a8c0@home> Hi all; Kenny Johnson passed away this morning , His cancer was more widespread than originally thought , he will be missed , One of you from Texas wrote and called him an woodwork artist and he was tickled and wanted to show me the letter but I didn't get to see it.. I wish to thank all the list for their prayers and especially you whom sent cards and letters to him , your cards and letters brightened his last days and he wanted to show them all to me but didn't get the chance , his last words were he will be with his Son whom got killed at age 14 due to getting hit by a snowmobile . Thanks again Rex Hinz From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 12 15:11:50 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:11:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: Message-ID: <002201c764f3$7097de20$3494ecdc@Edd> Come on you blokes.If you are going to talk about Australs use the correct terminology.You would only use OZ made Sidchrome SPANNERS!Australs being a mans engine would avoid King dicks. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:24:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > curt at imc-group.com writes: > > Given all the evidence I'd say Dave has good reason to worry about Arnie > approaching his Austral with a set of King Dicks > > Yes, and now "black feet rot" on top of that!! Sure wish I had a photo of > them! > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com >


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AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 12 16:45:36 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:45:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <002201c764f3$7097de20$3494ecdc@Edd> References: <002201c764f3$7097de20$3494ecdc@Edd> Message-ID: Gee, I dunno Edd, I'm kinda partial to the universal nut rounders myself. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280089394946 See ya, Arnie PS - Looking forward to hearing the Brits defend their King Dicks as not being the tools of girley-men. 8-)) On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Edd Payne wrote: > Come on you blokes.If you are going to talk about Australs use the correct > terminology. You would only use OZ made Sidchrome SPANNERS! Australs > being a mans engine would avoid King dicks. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Mar 12 16:59:37 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:59:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> > > OTOH, there is perfessor Dave. > -Other than a dead battery I don't think I've ever seen one of Dave's > engines NOT running! (other than the Maytag) > -His engines run like Singer sewing machines. Never a skip, double > suck, > burp.....just chuff, chuff, chuff all day long. > -Dave starts his own engines. Effortlessly I might add! > -We've never seen a transport failure under one of Dave's engines. Ok Curt, What shows have YOU been to? 1. Nine horse Galloway -- Engine won't run for lack of fuel. 2. Sixteen horse Galloway -- Shown for a whole season in a static state for lack of a head gasket. 3. Domestic -- Has to have GIRLS show him how to start it. I could continue, but it only gets more embarrassing. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 12 17:48:44 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:48:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> Hi Rob, >Ok Curt, >What shows have YOU been to? > >1. Nine horse Galloway -- Engine won't run for lack of fuel That was a 12 HP Hercules that I left in the care of you and Kelley. After YOU ran it out of gas it was Kelley who had to determine what the problem was and add gasoline to the tank! >2. Sixteen horse Galloway -- Shown for a whole season in a static >state for lack of a head gasket. Two shows--and at each show a new gasket was fabricated and the engine ran like a CHAMP! >3. Domestic -- Has to have GIRLS show him how to start it. Having GIRLS push my button is somewhat of a turn-on. Sorry your interests are across the street! >I could continue, but it only gets more embarrassing. That's OK, give it your BEST! Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 12 18:31:13 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:31:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd><6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net><03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com><6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <005301c7650f$4c21d930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> >>3. Domestic -- Has to have GIRLS show him how to start it. > > Having GIRLS push my button is somewhat of a turn-on. Sorry your interests > are across the street! > Har har har!! Not too many will get this bit!!! Ya dont miss a trick, do ya? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Mar 12 20:33:15 2007 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:33:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] V12 Message-ID: <000901c76520$56499450$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> finally got some pictures of the V12 posted,, heres the link if anyone's interested,,, http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/ bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer. From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Mar 12 20:50:59 2007 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:50:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] V12 Message-ID: Hi Bill B. I enjoyed the pictures, I was at the Brinkley Ark. show Sat. and had my SEL nametag on but didn't see any other SEL members, I wish I could have met you, Paul Maples was supposed to be there but something came up and he couldn't make it, I hope he sees this link to your pictures, for he has me under house arrest for not sending him any pictures of the show, I am getting in bad shape, with this anvil chained to my leg I can't even go to the bath room Ha Ha. Have a good one, Bill Miller Memphis, TN.


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Mar 12 20:53:10 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:53:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] V12 In-Reply-To: <000901c76520$56499450$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> References: <000901c76520$56499450$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> Message-ID: <517f9a87d251d14a7ce94975bec36e23@chartertn.net> Man, I like that! The valve covers remind me of the Chevy 348/409 V8. John On Mar 12, 2007, at 11:33 PM, Bill Boyce wrote: > finally got some pictures of the V12 posted,, heres the link if > anyone's > interested,,, > http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/ John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Mar 12 21:11:15 2007 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:11:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] V12 References: Message-ID: <000a01c76525$a55b7c20$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> bill,, sorry i missed meeting you also,, did you have engines on display? i always enjoy Lonnies show, glad the weather cooperated this year,, look me up down the trail one of these days,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. > > I enjoyed the pictures, I was at the Brinkley Ark. show Sat. and had my > SEL > nametag on but didn't see any other SEL members, I wish I could have met > you, > Paul Maples was supposed to be there but something came up and he couldn't > make it, I hope he sees this link to your pictures, for he has me under > house > arrest for not sending him any pictures of the show, I am getting in bad > shape, with this anvil chained to my leg I can't even go to the bath room > Ha Ha. > > Have a good one, > > Bill Miller From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 13 05:58:23 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:58:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote: > >1. Nine horse Galloway -- Engine won't run for lack of fuel > > That was a 12 HP Hercules that I left in the care of you and Kelley. After > YOU ran it out of gas it was Kelley who had to determine what the problem > was and add gasoline to the tank! Hmmmm, wasn't the gasoline added to the tank AFTER a complete rally field re-build of the Webster ignitor AND the Herc fuel pump? ISTR the Dynamic Duo kept a large crowd at Coolspring entertained for hours with the "repairs" before they added the gas. 8-)) Hmmmm, actually that gives me an idea for tearing into the Austral... 8->> See ya, Arnie From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 12 16:57:43 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:57:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another sad day References: <000801c764f3$348f8540$6500a8c0@home> Message-ID: <007501c76502$3a0e63b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Rex we are all saddened at the passing of Kenny, the Lord must have wanted Kenny more than we did and He took him to be with Him in Heaven and I know that Angels in Heaven are rejoicing at his arrival. Please pass my condolences to the family and I will keep them in my prayers. Thanks Rex for letting us know. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Another sad day > Hi all; > > Kenny Johnson passed away this morning , His cancer was more > widespread than originally thought , he will be missed , One of you from > Texas wrote and called him an woodwork artist and he was tickled and > wanted to show me the letter but I didn't get to see it.. > I wish to thank all the list for their prayers and especially you whom > sent cards and letters to him , your cards and letters brightened his last > days and he wanted to show them all to me but didn't get the chance , his > last words were he will be with his Son whom got killed at age 14 due to > getting hit by a snowmobile . > Thanks again > > Rex Hinz > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 13 08:34:19 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:34:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070313103056.04c09268@mail.alltel.net> At 07:58 AM 3/13/2007, you wrote: >Hi Dave, >On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >1. Nine horse Galloway -- Engine won't run for lack of fuel > > That was a 12 HP Hercules that I left in the care of you and Kelley. After > > YOU ran it out of gas it was Kelley who had to determine what the problem > > was and add gasoline to the tank! >Hmmmm, wasn't the gasoline added to the tank AFTER a complete rally field >re-build of the Webster ignitor AND the Herc fuel pump? ISTR the Dynamic >Duo kept a large crowd at Coolspring entertained for hours with the >"repairs" before they added the gas. 8-)) >Hmmmm, actually that gives me an idea for tearing into the Austral... >8->> >See ya, Arnie Absolutely Spot On Arnie! And it was Rob who did the field re-build before Kelley had an opportunity to suggest that they should check to see if there was gasoline in the tank! Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 13 07:56:36 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:56:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070313103056.04c09268@mail.alltel.net> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20070313103056.04c09268@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: The sad part here, is that our very own government can't pay our professors of multiculturalism enough that they can afford the gasoline to run their engines at shows. So who was it that finally made the good head gasket to get your engine running? Wasn't it that kid who set up his Briggs & Stratton collection next to you at Sistersville? Rob From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 13 16:36:09 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:36:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another New Toy Message-ID: <000a01c765c8$61cb81a0$61a1693a@fred> Another engine arrived in our shed last night, we have been waiting nearly a year for this one, it is a 3Hp. Clutterbuck (Blackstone Copy) hot bulb ,lamp start and it is complete,it was late arriving so I only have one photo as yet. can be seen on webshots as below.Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 13 18:01:12 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:01:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: <005301c7650f$4c21d930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com> <002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd> <6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net> <03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com> <6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net> <005301c7650f$4c21d930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070313195835.04e80170@mail.alltel.net> At 08:31 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote: > >>3. Domestic -- Has to have GIRLS show him how to start it. > > Having GIRLS push my button is somewhat of a turn-on. Sorry your interests > > are across the street! >Har har har!! Not too many will get this bit!!! >Ya dont miss a trick, do ya? >Reg & Marg Ingold. Hi Reg, Rob is a good mate and I would NOT insult him in that way if I thought that lots of people would understand what I was talking about! Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 13 18:13:48 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:13:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question References: <20070308105353.CYXF14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><2363FD2E-8A84-4231-9B77-AAFC670622EC@rustyiron.com><002201c761ca$48675c90$3494ecdc@Edd><6.1.2.0.0.20070311200427.0534ceb0@mail.alltel.net><03ef01c7644b$3ed46460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><45F57E81.6050808@imc-group.com><6FE1328B-AD4D-48A7-9C39-A039A6D04149@rustyiron.com><6.1.2.0.0.20070312193819.04b27658@mail.alltel.net><005301c7650f$4c21d930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.1.2.0.0.20070313195835.04e80170@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00b501c765d6$07230210$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> No need for explanations mate. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question > At 08:31 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote: >> >>3. Domestic -- Has to have GIRLS show him how to start it. >> > Having GIRLS push my button is somewhat of a turn-on. Sorry your >> > interests >> > are across the street! >>Har har har!! Not too many will get this bit!!! >>Ya dont miss a trick, do ya? >>Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Hi Reg, Rob is a good mate and I would NOT insult him in that way if I > thought that lots of people would understand what I was talking about! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 13 22:07:49 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:07:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another New Toy Message-ID: <00a301c765f6$b6ac16c0$61a1693a@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Another New Toy Another engine arrived in our shed last night, we have been waiting nearly a year for this one, it is a 3Hp. Clutterbuck (Blackstone Copy) hot bulb ,lamp start and it is complete,it was late arriving so I only have one photo as yet. can be seen on webshots as below.Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 13 22:11:27 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:11:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Another New Toy Message-ID: <001b01c765f7$389031d0$61a1693a@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: Brian Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Fw: Another New Toy ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Another New Toy Another engine arrived in our shed last night, we have been waiting nearly a year for this one, it is a 3Hp. Clutterbuck (Blackstone Copy) hot bulb ,lamp start and it is complete,it was late arriving so I only have one photo as yet. can be seen on webshots as below.Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Mar 14 04:12:45 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:12:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT Message-ID: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I thought the prices some of us pay for engines was crazy, I guess it is supply and demand. My Dad collects and restores old valve (tube) radios, but this made him wish he had a couple sitting around spare. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330094895110&rd=1&rd=1 Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 14 06:34:14 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:34:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Another New Toy References: <9CC71D80-7BA0-475D-829E-57840473E38C@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Good on ya, Brian! She's a sweet hunk of iron. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com On Mar 13, 2007, at 10:07 PM, Brian Watts wrote: > Another engine arrived in our shed last night, we have been waiting > nearly a year for this one, it is a 3Hp. Clutterbuck (Blackstone > Copy) hot bulb ,lamp start and it is complete,it was late arriving > so I only have one photo as yet. can be seen on webshots as > below.Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03) 97266147 > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > briwatt at optusnet.com.au From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 14 06:39:20 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:39:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> RE: Attention Aussies - Austral Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070314133924.LMLB20050.oaamta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> HI Arnie, I will try and answer the questions that have not already been answered I the ones I have a good answer to. The upper chamber houses the primary coil and the lower one has the starting coil. I think the hot-bulb on Dave's engine is a later style one with provision for a spark-plug which would explain the plug above the timing valve. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 14 06:43:32 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:43:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> New Crossley OO Videos Message-ID: <20070314134345.KYGG14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> We rolled my mate's Crossley OO out of the shed for its first run in the fresh air on the weekend. I took a couple of short videos of the lovely engine running: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031131.AVI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031132.AVI A couple of stills of the engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031149.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031133.JPG Enjoy! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Mar 14 07:42:26 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:42:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT In-Reply-To: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070314093719.02f14710@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Peter, In this particular case its not the tube portion as much as it is the case. The case of the radio makes all the difference here. The style and type of material its made of and condition is the reason for the season. What a radio! TTYL, Mark At 06:12 AM 3/14/07, you wrote: >Hi all >I thought the prices some of us pay for engines was crazy, I guess it is >supply and demand. My Dad collects and restores old valve (tube) radios, but >this made him wish he had a couple sitting around spare. > >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330094895110&rd=1&rd=1 > > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 14 10:00:25 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:00:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Attention Aussies - Austral Question Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Ahhhh, spark plug!! I hadn't thought of that possibility. The manual does refer to both hot bulb and mag equipped engines. One more thing to occupy my idle, wrench-filled hands at the next rally. 8-)) Thanks mate!! See ya, Arnie On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I will try and answer the questions that have not already been > answered I the ones I have a good answer to. > The upper chamber houses the primary coil and the lower one has the starting > coil. I think the hot-bulb on Dave's engine is a later style one with > provision for a spark-plug which would explain the plug above the timing > valve. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 14 10:12:14 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:12:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT In-Reply-To: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: WOW!! I've a nifty old floor console short wave / AM/FM tube type radio out in the shed that was working the last time I plugged it in. Not quite as pretty as that one, but still pretty good looking. Methinks I should get an appraisal. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > I thought the prices some of us pay for engines was crazy, I guess it is > supply and demand. My Dad collects and restores old valve (tube) radios, but > this made him wish he had a couple sitting around spare. > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330094895110&rd=1&rd=1 From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 14 09:38:55 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:38:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> New Crossley OO Videos Message-ID: In a message dated 3/14/2007 9:44:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: Patrick, What a great engine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Mar 14 14:15:26 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:15:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT References: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> <6.2.1.2.1.20070314093719.02f14710@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000d01c7667d$e3300a30$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Mark Yes I know, the green bakelite is sort after, then the actual model rareness. My Dad has some very rare radios as well, so do I. http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jimlowe/jim's%20radios.htm this is only a fraction of what he has. Peter, Oz > Hi Peter, > In this particular case its not the tube portion as much as it is the > case. > The case of the radio makes all the difference here. The style and type of > material its made of and condition is the reason for the season. > What a radio! TTYL, Mark > > At 06:12 AM 3/14/07, you wrote: >>Hi all >>I thought the prices some of us pay for engines was crazy, I guess it is >>supply and demand. My Dad collects and restores old valve (tube) radios, >>but >>this made him wish he had a couple sitting around spare. >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330094895110&rd=1&rd=1 >> >> >>Regards >>Peter Lowe >>R&V Engine Registrar >>Australia >>Ph: 61-266453455 >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > Phone > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if > possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 14 15:47:13 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:47:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT References: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech><6.2.1.2.1.20070314093719.02f14710@pop3.wcoil.com> <000d01c7667d$e3300a30$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <00a801c7668a$b58a7ae0$240110ac@FAMILY> Wow Peter, your Dad has a nice collection and I loved the website. Thanks for making it available to us. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT > Hi Mark > Yes I know, the green bakelite is sort after, then the actual model > rareness. > My Dad has some very rare radios as well, so do I. > http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jimlowe/jim's%20radios.htm this is only a > fraction of what he has. > > Peter, Oz > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 14 18:30:36 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:30:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover Message-ID: <00f701c766a1$890989e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Gang I have a friend who is restoring an air cooled DVA twin cylinder Stover. Does anyone have any information on this engine they could share with me so I can send it to my friend? Thanks, Paul From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 14 20:17:38 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:17:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] a fellow needs assistance with an engine - ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: <00a801c7668a$b58a7ae0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <000001c766b0$7e896800$0100a8c0@l2800> Please contact this fellow directly, tell 'em Bill sent ya if you can help. -------------------------- Here is his engine: http://antique-engines.com/images/IMG_0012.JPG --------------------------- Here is his request: Do you know of people with info on Fuller Johnson engines? My engine needs a fuel tank and gas feed line and check valve. If it is primed it will run. Thanks, Rick --------------------------- Here is his email addy: RRHOLDAWAY at aol.com --------------------------- Should be straight-forward, he needs a tank-maker and to know who, such as Starbolt, etc. might have the line and check valve. My info is buried under tons of TAX papers now................ Thanks for helping a fellow engine nut. Bill Runnells, Iowa From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Mar 14 20:57:33 2007 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:57:33 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> New Crossley OO Videos References: <20070314134345.KYGG14761.oaamta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <010d01c766b6$11a3b190$210110ac@service> Hi Patrick, nice engine, what does he use as a finish on it, is it just oil?, i am restoring a 8hp famous at the moment and have decided not to paint it, so am looking for ideas on finish, i was thinking of using a product called Breakaway which is a oil based rust breaker & preventor, cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:43 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> New Crossley OO Videos > We rolled my mate's Crossley OO out of the shed for its first run in the > fresh air on the weekend. I took a couple of short videos of the lovely > engine running: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031131.AVI > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031132.AVI > > A couple of stills of the engine: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031149.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/07031133.JPG > > Enjoy! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Mar 15 02:27:09 2007 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:27:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The prices some people will pay OT In-Reply-To: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c76629$b15b4730$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <45F9116D.10508@wightman.ca> Hi Peter, My Dad collects old radios as well. Probably has about 50 from the 1920's etc along with some gramaphones. I will have to show him this. Duncan Peter Lowe wrote: >Hi all >I thought the prices some of us pay for engines was crazy, I guess it is >supply and demand. My Dad collects and restores old valve (tube) radios, but >this made him wish he had a couple sitting around spare. > >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330094895110&rd=1&rd=1 > > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 15 04:06:43 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:06:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Crossley OO Videos In-Reply-To: <010d01c766b6$11a3b190$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <20070315110651.WJYX3580.oaamta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I don't think he used straight oil I think it was some kinds of rust preventative. I will check what it is on the weekend. I personally would have preferred to see the engine nicely painted but it would have been a big job after all the mechanical work done on this engine. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, nice engine, what does he use as a finish on it, is it just oil?, i am restoring a 8hp famous at the moment and have decided not to paint it, so am looking for ideas on finish, i was thinking of using a product called Breakaway which is a oil based rust breaker & preventor, cheers, Chester. From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Mar 15 04:37:09 2007 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:37:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover Message-ID: <031520071137.13809.45F92FE50004D96E000035F1219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Paul there should be some info in that last manual I sent you.........If not let me know the full model number and serial. Curt > Hey Gang I have a friend who is restoring an air cooled DVA twin cylinder > Stover. Does anyone have any information on this engine they could share with me > so I can send it to my friend? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 13 22:00:21 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:00:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <006001c765f5$ac2ef560$61a1693a@fred> test From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Mar 15 05:03:27 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:03:27 +0900 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <006001c765f5$ac2ef560$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <5pqpku$ef47g@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony11.iinet.net.au> Just arrived in Perth Brian 9.00 pm Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2007 2:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] test test _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 15 05:08:31 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:08:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Another New Toy In-Reply-To: <000a01c765c8$61cb81a0$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <20070315120838.ULIZ19608.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> That is a nice, sensible, sized engine. A good find. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Another engine arrived in our shed last night, we have been waiting nearly a year for this one, it is a 3Hp. Clutterbuck (Blackstone Copy) hot bulb ,lamp start and it is complete,it was late arriving so I only have one photo as yet. can be seen on webshots as below.Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 15 05:20:08 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:20:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover References: <031520071137.13809.45F92FE50004D96E000035F1219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003701c766fc$45f081d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Curt there was a little info in it and I copied just the one page and sent it to him. I will get the model number and serial number for you. Thanks for the help. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover > Hey Paul there should be some info in that last manual I sent > you.........If > not let me know the full model number and serial. > Curt > > >> Hey Gang I have a friend who is restoring an air cooled DVA twin cylinder >> Stover. Does anyone have any information on this engine they could share >> with me >> so I can send it to my friend? >> >> Thanks, From svsuzanne at earthlink.net Thu Mar 15 05:51:29 2007 From: svsuzanne at earthlink.net (DAN RICHARDSON) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:51:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <380-220073415125129909@earthlink.net> OK here 0850 CDT > [Original Message] > From: Brian Watts > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/15/2007 7:59:34 AM > Subject: [SEL] test > > test > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: 3/14/2007 3:38 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 15 07:28:44 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:28:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum Message-ID: Hi Folks, If you're into jigsaw puzzles, here's a nifty one that's engine related and on-line so that you can indulge your passions AND goof-off at work!! (See Geoff's email below) While you're there, surf through the excellent Anson Museum website. And, if you're suitably impressed with the good work that they're doing there, consider becoming a Friend of the Anson or making whatever contribution you can afford. http://www.enginemuseum.org/ And, obviously, if you happen to be visiting Merry Old England, DEFINITELY make plans to visit the Anson Museum. You won't be disappointed. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Challinor [mailto:geoff at enginemuseum.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 5:00 PM To: Geoff Challinor Subject: build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum We have had several people ask us if they could have another link to the jigsaw we sent out last year - so, here it is along with some helpful hints for you to use. The record for assembly to date is 4 minutes 29 seconds for this 50 piece puzzle. Let us know if you manage to beat that time. Keep checking our on-line shop for other engine related jigsaws (some with 260 pieces!). Regards Geoff http://www.enginemuseum.org/news.html Some tips on using your jigsaw: When you open the jigsaw all the pieces are the right way up. That is, a piece with a straight edge at the top will go on the top etc. If you want to make the jigsaw harder you can rotate the pieces. To do this press Ctrl-P or use the Options - Preferences Menu, in the General Options Box tick Allow Piece Rotation. Warning, this will reset your jigsaw i.e. scramble all the pieces. So do this before you start to do the jigsaw. Double Clicking, or click once then press the Space Bar, on a piece will rotate it 90 degrees. Holding the Ctrl Key while clicking the pieces will select several pieces at once. Useful for moving all the Sky pieces to the top etc. The status bar shows you the time you have spent on the jigsaw, how many pieces in the jigsaw, how many are left and the percentage completed. You can Reset or Pause the clock from the Clock menu. By far the most popular option, turn the piece bevelling off - this greatly improves the quality of the image you are building. Do this by choosing Preferences from the Options Menu and un-ticking the Bevel the puzzle piece edges box. Some other useful keyboard Shortcuts Ctrl-F Show Preview Window You can get a preview picture of the finished jigsaw. Can also find this by using Options Ctrl-C Change background Colour You can change the screen background colour, or via Options Ctrl-A Auto-Arrange the Pieces Ctrl-S Save Your Position You don't have to complete the jigsaw in one session. You can Save and Load positions from the File menu. You also get asked if you would like to save your position when you close the program, as above. Ctrl-L Load a Previously saved Position Ctrl-R Reset the Jigsaw (start again) Ctrl-P Show Preferences Box Geoff Challinor Chairman Anson Road Poynton Cheshire SK12 1TD geoff at enginemuseum.org www.enginemuseum.org Registered Charity (No518587), governed by The Anson Museum Trust Ltd,Registered in England (No 210169). Supported by the IMechE and IDGTE. Member of Association of Independent Museums, the Peaks and Plains of Cheshire and Visit Chester and Cheshire. From driggars at wildblue.net Thu Mar 15 06:41:01 2007 From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:41:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <006001c765f5$ac2ef560$61a1693a@fred> References: <006001c765f5$ac2ef560$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <45F94CED.5040600@wildblue.net> Load and clear here in North Texas Clint Brian Watts wrote: > test > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rwenig at telus.net Thu Mar 15 10:18:30 2007 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:18:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F97FE6.5090302@telus.net> Hello Arnie, Thanks for the tip. I just spent a few hours browsing that likn and links to other sites. I and four friends are planning a trip to England to attend the Dorcet Fair. Any other hints will be appreciated. We will be in England from Aug. 23 to Sept 22nd. Rupert Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > If you're into jigsaw puzzles, here's a nifty one that's engine related > and on-line so that you can indulge your passions AND goof-off at work!! > (See Geoff's email below) > > While you're there, surf through the excellent Anson Museum website. > And, if you're suitably impressed with the good work that they're doing > there, consider becoming a Friend of the Anson or making whatever > contribution you can afford. http://www.enginemuseum.org/ > > And, obviously, if you happen to be visiting Merry Old England, DEFINITELY > make plans to visit the Anson Museum. You won't be disappointed. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Challinor [mailto:geoff at enginemuseum.org] > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 5:00 PM > To: Geoff Challinor > Subject: build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum > > We have had several people ask us if they could have another link to the > jigsaw we sent out last year - so, here it is along with some helpful hints > for you to use. The record for assembly to date is 4 minutes 29 seconds for > this 50 piece puzzle. Let us know if you manage to beat that time. > > Keep checking our on-line shop for other engine related jigsaws (some with > 260 pieces!). > > Regards > > Geoff > > http://www.enginemuseum.org/news.html > > > Some tips on using your jigsaw: > > > When you open the jigsaw all the pieces are the right way up. That is, a > piece with a straight edge at the top will go on the top etc. > > If you want to make the jigsaw harder you can rotate the pieces. To do this > press Ctrl-P or use the Options - Preferences Menu, in the General Options > Box tick Allow Piece Rotation. Warning, this will reset your jigsaw i.e. > scramble all the pieces. So do this before you start to do the jigsaw. > > Double Clicking, or click once then press the Space Bar, on a piece will > rotate it 90 degrees. > > Holding the Ctrl Key while clicking the pieces will select several pieces at > once. Useful for moving all the Sky pieces to the top etc. > > The status bar shows you the time you have spent on the jigsaw, how many > pieces in the jigsaw, how many are left and the percentage completed. You > can Reset or Pause the clock from the Clock menu. > > By far the most popular option, turn the piece bevelling off - this greatly > improves the quality of the image you are building. Do this by choosing > Preferences from the Options Menu and un-ticking the Bevel the puzzle piece > edges box. > > Some other useful keyboard Shortcuts > Ctrl-F Show Preview Window > You can get a preview picture of the finished jigsaw. Can also find > this by using Options > Ctrl-C Change background Colour > You can change the screen background colour, or via Options > Ctrl-A Auto-Arrange the Pieces > Ctrl-S Save Your Position > You don't have to complete the jigsaw in one session. You can Save and Load > positions from the File menu. > You also get asked if you would like to save your position when you close > the program, as above. > Ctrl-L Load a Previously saved Position > Ctrl-R Reset the Jigsaw (start again) > Ctrl-P Show Preferences Box > > > Geoff Challinor > Chairman > > Anson Road > Poynton > Cheshire > SK12 1TD > > geoff at enginemuseum.org > www.enginemuseum.org > > Registered Charity (No518587), governed by The Anson Museum Trust > Ltd,Registered in England (No 210169). Supported by the IMechE and IDGTE. > Member of Association of Independent Museums, the Peaks and Plains of > Cheshire and Visit Chester and Cheshire. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From rwenig at telus.net Thu Mar 15 10:18:42 2007 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:18:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F97FF2.5000408@telus.net> Hello Arnie, Thanks for the tip. I just spent a few hours browsing that link and links to other sites. I and four friends are planning a trip to England to attend the Dorcet Fair. Any other hints will be appreciated. We will be in England from Aug. 23 to Sept 22nd. Rupert Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > If you're into jigsaw puzzles, here's a nifty one that's engine related > and on-line so that you can indulge your passions AND goof-off at work!! > (See Geoff's email below) > > While you're there, surf through the excellent Anson Museum website. > And, if you're suitably impressed with the good work that they're doing > there, consider becoming a Friend of the Anson or making whatever > contribution you can afford. http://www.enginemuseum.org/ > > And, obviously, if you happen to be visiting Merry Old England, DEFINITELY > make plans to visit the Anson Museum. You won't be disappointed. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Challinor [mailto:geoff at enginemuseum.org] > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 5:00 PM > To: Geoff Challinor > Subject: build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum > > We have had several people ask us if they could have another link to the > jigsaw we sent out last year - so, here it is along with some helpful hints > for you to use. The record for assembly to date is 4 minutes 29 seconds for > this 50 piece puzzle. Let us know if you manage to beat that time. > > Keep checking our on-line shop for other engine related jigsaws (some with > 260 pieces!). > > Regards > > Geoff > > http://www.enginemuseum.org/news.html > > > Some tips on using your jigsaw: > > > When you open the jigsaw all the pieces are the right way up. That is, a > piece with a straight edge at the top will go on the top etc. > > If you want to make the jigsaw harder you can rotate the pieces. To do this > press Ctrl-P or use the Options - Preferences Menu, in the General Options > Box tick Allow Piece Rotation. Warning, this will reset your jigsaw i.e. > scramble all the pieces. So do this before you start to do the jigsaw. > > Double Clicking, or click once then press the Space Bar, on a piece will > rotate it 90 degrees. > > Holding the Ctrl Key while clicking the pieces will select several pieces at > once. Useful for moving all the Sky pieces to the top etc. > > The status bar shows you the time you have spent on the jigsaw, how many > pieces in the jigsaw, how many are left and the percentage completed. You > can Reset or Pause the clock from the Clock menu. > > By far the most popular option, turn the piece bevelling off - this greatly > improves the quality of the image you are building. Do this by choosing > Preferences from the Options Menu and un-ticking the Bevel the puzzle piece > edges box. > > Some other useful keyboard Shortcuts > Ctrl-F Show Preview Window > You can get a preview picture of the finished jigsaw. Can also find > this by using Options > Ctrl-C Change background Colour > You can change the screen background colour, or via Options > Ctrl-A Auto-Arrange the Pieces > Ctrl-S Save Your Position > You don't have to complete the jigsaw in one session. You can Save and Load > positions from the File menu. > You also get asked if you would like to save your position when you close > the program, as above. > Ctrl-L Load a Previously saved Position > Ctrl-R Reset the Jigsaw (start again) > Ctrl-P Show Preferences Box > > > Geoff Challinor > Chairman > > Anson Road > Poynton > Cheshire > SK12 1TD > > geoff at enginemuseum.org > www.enginemuseum.org > > Registered Charity (No518587), governed by The Anson Museum Trust > Ltd,Registered in England (No 210169). Supported by the IMechE and IDGTE. > Member of Association of Independent Museums, the Peaks and Plains of > Cheshire and Visit Chester and Cheshire. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From edurand at iglou.com Thu Mar 15 11:39:39 2007 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:39:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] V12 In-Reply-To: <000901c76520$56499450$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> Message-ID: Bill: Isn't that engine an offshoot of the V-6 GM truck engines of the early sixties? Somewhere in the murky past, I recall hearing that they were going to make V-12 versions of that engine using a lot of the V-6 parts. Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Bill Boyce > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:33 PM > To: stationary engine list > Subject: [SEL] V12 > > > finally got some pictures of the V12 posted,, > heres the link if anyone's > interested,,, > http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/ > > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > > Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at iglou.com Thu Mar 15 11:43:38 2007 From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:43:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover In-Reply-To: <00f701c766a1$890989e0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Paul: Check here. The DV-2 may be similar, except water cooled. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/stoverdv2/stoverdv2.html Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at iglou.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 08:31 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover > > > Hey Gang I have a friend who is restoring an air > cooled DVA twin cylinder Stover. Does anyone have > any information on this engine they could share > with me so I can send it to my friend? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Mar 15 10:44:57 2007 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:44:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] V12 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/2007 10:39:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, edurand at iglou.com writes: Isn't that engine an offshoot of the V-6 GM truck engines of the early sixties? Somewhere in the murky past, I recall hearing that they were going to make V-12 versions of that engine using a lot of the V-6 parts. This is the same engine being used in the Minuteman missile transporter. Yes, the USAF decided to use a gasoline engine with a manual transmission for this purpose. Gas mileage for this rig is about 4-5 mpg. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, Ca ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 13 22:12:47 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:12:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <002801c765f7$684665c0$61a1693a@fred> test From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 13 22:05:26 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:05:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Another New Toy Message-ID: <008101c765f6$61d8d930$61a1693a@fred> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: Brian Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Fw: Another New Toy ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Another New Toy Another engine arrived in our shed last night, we have been waiting nearly a year for this one, it is a 3Hp. Clutterbuck (Blackstone Copy) hot bulb ,lamp start and it is complete,it was late arriving so I only have one photo as yet. can be seen on webshots as below.Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 12/03/2007 7:19 PM From nick at holden1.net Thu Mar 15 11:45:19 2007 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:45:19 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] test References: <002801c765f7$684665c0$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <45F9943F.000001.02976@YOUR-447023AE6B> Ok here At 18.44 Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Brian Watts Date: 15/03/2007 18:23:39 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] test test _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.448 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 15/03/2007 11:27 . From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 15 12:10:52 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <380-220073415125129909@earthlink.net> References: <380-220073415125129909@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3806.165.206.180.53.1173985852.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Sorry, haven't seen any messages with test in the subject... Let me know if you don't get this. Bill > OK here 0850 CDT > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Brian Watts >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 3/15/2007 7:59:34 AM >> Subject: [SEL] test >> >> test >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: > 3/14/2007 3:38 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 15 13:33:11 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:33:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Build a Gardner 4T5 at the Anson Engine Museum In-Reply-To: <45F97FE6.5090302@telus.net> References: <45F97FE6.5090302@telus.net> Message-ID: Hi Rupert, Damn, you are gonna have so much fun!! One of the events I need to do one day is to attend the Great Dorset Steam Fair. http://www.gdsf.co.uk/ When you're there make sure that you catch one or more of Dr. Busker's performances in the beer tent. http://www.doctorbusker.com/welcome.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Busker I've done a lot on a number of trips to England. Maybe you can get some ideas from these writeups... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/yank1.htm In addition to visiting the Anson, try and get up to the Internal Fire museum. DEFINITELY worth the trip. http://www.internalfire.com/ ENJOY!! See ya, Arnie On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello Arnie, > Thanks for the tip. I just spent a few hours browsing that likn and > links to other sites. I and four friends are planning a trip to England > to attend the Dorcet Fair. Any other hints will be appreciated. We will > be in England from Aug. 23 to Sept 22nd. > > Rupert From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 13:58:15 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:58:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Davey Paxman 6RW diesel available FOC Message-ID: <6f6025160703151358p26920715u900680f3e82f23b6@mail.gmail.com> We have been contacted regarding a free Davey Paxman 6RW diesel, Serial No. 900042/7 made in 1958, was running quite recently and is at a university in the north of England. It has a generator with it, condition unknown. We have acquired a small Ruston & Hornsby 4RYDA air-cooled lump for ourselves, but the Paxman is a bit more than we can handle or store! I have suggested that one of the museums might be interested, I know that Paul was looking for something for Internal Fire but have not had any contact with him for some time. We understand that no money is required, just collection and transportation off site, I believe loading facilities are available, but have asked for that to be confirmed. Serious enquiries to us in the first instance, we will pass on details. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Mar 15 13:58:59 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:58:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] V12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F9B393.40109@telenet.net> Yes it is. I know of a couple OLD LW model road tractors that have the V12 in them. They are known as the Twin Six 702 CID engine. http://www.6066gmcguy.org/TwinSix.htm Elden DuRand wrote: > Bill: > > Isn't that engine an offshoot of the V-6 GM truck engines of the early sixties? Somewhere in the murky past, I recall hearing that they were going to make V-12 versions of that engine using a lot of the V-6 parts. > > Take care - Elden DuRand > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Bill Boyce >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:33 PM >> To: stationary engine list >> Subject: [SEL] V12 >> >> >> finally got some pictures of the V12 posted,, >> heres the link if anyone's >> interested,,, >> http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/ >> >> bill boyce >> lost prairie, arkansas >> >> Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Mar 15 15:35:48 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:35:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <006001c765f5$ac2ef560$61a1693a@fred> References: <006001c765f5$ac2ef560$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <20070315223553.DBFD22283C2@md5.pennswoods.net> You passed Brian At 04:00 PM 3/14/2007 +1100, you wrote: >test >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 15 15:53:40 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:53:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover References: Message-ID: <00f401c76754$c6c12910$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Elden, this was an interesting site and I sent it to my friend, I am sure he will be able to extract some valuable information from it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Info on DVA Stover > Paul: > > Check here. The DV-2 may be similar, except water cooled. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/stoverdv2/stoverdv2.html > > Take care - Elden DuRand > edurand at iglou.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > From dleis at centurytel.net Thu Mar 15 16:24:43 2007 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:24:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] passing of an engine buddy Message-ID: <000c01c76759$1cf4bd20$0601a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi Everyone I don't know if any of you know Lloyd pearsall but he passed away yesterday. He was a life time member of the Badger steam & gas engine club. He will be missed Stacy From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 15 16:33:37 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:33:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] passing of an engine buddy References: <000c01c76759$1cf4bd20$0601a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <015b01c7675a$5b818180$240110ac@FAMILY> Wow!, another one of our family gone. I am so sorry to hear this Stacy, I did not know Lloyd but it makes no difference, he was part of our vast engine family and he will be missed by all those who knew and loved him. Please give my condolences to the family. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacy Leis" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: [SEL] passing of an engine buddy > Hi Everyone > > > I don't know if any of you know Lloyd pearsall but he passed away > yesterday. He was a life time member of the Badger steam & gas engine > club. He will be missed > > > Stacy > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Thu Mar 15 19:43:00 2007 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:43:00 +0900 Subject: [SEL] test References: <380-220073415125129909@earthlink.net> <3806.165.206.180.53.1173985852.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <007901c76774$d0477640$f301a8c0@armstrong> ok in wa Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] test > Sorry, haven't seen any messages with test in the subject... > > Let me know if you don't get this. > > > Bill > >> OK here 0850 CDT >> >> >>> [Original Message] >>> From: Brian Watts >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Date: 3/15/2007 7:59:34 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] test >>> >>> test >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: >> 3/14/2007 3:38 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Fri Mar 16 15:33:15 2007 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:33:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] V12 References: Message-ID: <004c01c7681b$16f61460$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> yes, Elden, except for the crank and cam shafts, the internal parts are interchangable with the 351 V6, also the heads, exhaust and intake manifolds are the same,,,, i have it at a show this weekend, and if i heard it once today, i heard 150 times, " man, i aint never seen nothing like that before",,,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. > Bill: > > Isn't that engine an offshoot of the V-6 GM truck engines of the early > sixties? Somewhere in the murky past, I recall hearing that they were > going to make V-12 versions of that engine using a lot of the V-6 parts. > From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Mar 17 08:55:29 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:55:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Magnet meter In-Reply-To: <004c01c7681b$16f61460$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> Message-ID: Hello, Ed: If anyone wants to see more about the meter, they can go to: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand -----Original Message----- From: owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net [mailto:owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net]On Behalf Of Ed & Bev Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 07:37 PM To: stationary-engine at atis.net Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: Magnet Meter Did you ever wish you could use your digital volt meter to measure the strength and polarity of a magnetic field? Or actually measure the strength of a magnet before and after remagnetizing? If so, you might be interested in this relatively simple voltmeter accessory . It is a Gauss Meter. With a lot of help from Elden, we have put together a little circuit board ( 1/2 X 2 inches ) which has the Linear Hall-Effect sensor and supporting electronics on it. To use the Gauss Meter you have to provide a 9 to 12 battery for power and a volt meter to measure the output voltage or package it as a standalone instrument like Elden is doing. The main ingredients of this project is a battery , a small circuit board and five electronic components. If anyone wants to try this project, we might consolidate the parts order and , if warranted, have a vender make the PC boards. A WAG at the cost is $10 to $15. I have more in shipping and handling than parts so it is hard to estimate. I need to keep this short and can send pictures / electric cartoons off list. So let me know if you might be interested. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT Drop the spaces. edstoller @ earthlink . net From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Mar 17 09:30:03 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:30:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - anyone in or near Oroville, CA ? In-Reply-To: <007901c76774$d0477640$f301a8c0@armstrong> Message-ID: <001701c768b1$866c8ef0$0100a8c0@l2800> I hate to do this again, gee, it's like talking about trucks or tractors at an engine show - at least it ain't politics or religion.... but I've got to make everyone feel good about a probable car deal. I'm looking at buying a car from a fellow in Oroville, CA - Northern cali- 65 miles north of Sacramento, 2 hours from Reno (as he describes it) I know the fellow from an online forum, and he's a fellow "AMCer". He's got a 1981 Eagle SX/4 that I want, at least I believe I do. I've seen photos, I've seen/heard it run via online video. He's told me most of what he can about it. It's rough from the sun and heat, but supposedly CA cars don't get rusty like Iowa cars, and that's what I'm after - a "rust-free" car. I'll be paying through the nose to get it to Iowa, otherwise his asking price for the car itself is fair for the condition. Is there anyone in that neighborhood who would be willing to meet the fellow and take a look at the car and "report back"? I almost hate to ask as that means someone takes their own time, and spends some gas driving over and gets very little in return. But I feel I should at least make such an effort. All I can offer is to cover their gas and a bit for their time, or do a similar favor for an engine/tractor person if they need something looked at in Iowa. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v103/AmcKidd/video/?action=view¤t=10 0_7977.flv http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/AmcKidd/Daisy019.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/AmcKidd/Daisy018.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/AmcKidd/Daisy014.jpg Bill Runnells, Iowa From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Mar 17 09:36:13 2007 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don.) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:36:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magnet meter References: Message-ID: <001a01c768b2$607339a0$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498> hey Eldon I want one of those Don in Ohio where the sun is shineing!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: [SEL] Magnet meter > Hello, Ed: > > If anyone wants to see more about the meter, they can go to: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net > [mailto:owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net]On Behalf Of Ed & Bev > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 07:37 PM > To: stationary-engine at atis.net > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: Magnet Meter > > > Did you ever wish you could use your digital volt meter to measure the > strength and polarity of a magnetic field? Or actually measure the > strength of a magnet before and after remagnetizing? If so, you might be > interested in this relatively simple voltmeter accessory . It is a Gauss > Meter. > > With a lot of help from Elden, we have put together a little circuit > board ( 1/2 X 2 inches ) which has the Linear Hall-Effect sensor and > supporting electronics on it. To use the Gauss Meter you have to provide a > 9 to 12 battery for power and a volt meter to measure the output voltage > or package it as a standalone instrument like Elden is doing. The main > ingredients of this project is a battery , a small circuit board and five > electronic components. > > If anyone wants to try this project, we might consolidate the parts order > and , if warranted, have a vender make the PC boards. A WAG at the cost is > $10 to $15. I have more in shipping and handling than parts so it is hard > to estimate. I need to keep this short and can send pictures / electric > cartoons off list. So let me know if you might be interested. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > Drop the spaces. > edstoller @ earthlink . net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 17 10:45:13 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:45:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question Message-ID: G'day Mates, Here's another question for the Aussies about their beloved Australs and the use thereof. Patrick Livingstone has a couple of really neat Austral adverts on his website. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/Australad1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/Australad2.jpg On the first advert it talks about the various types of sensible folks who use the Austral engine. Most are obvious, Farmers, Irrigators, Miners, etc. But one of the listed jobs baffles me. In Oz, what are "Cyaniders"? On the second advert it mentions how much work you can do with a "Tin of Kerosene." I've also seen references in the manual to using metal cut from a kerosene tin for various purposes. How big was the typical kerosene tin? I'm guessing around five gallons. Was this how kero was typically sold in Oz back in that day? Do any of you have pics of original kerosene tins? It sounds like something that would be a nice addition to Dave's Austral display info board. Thanks! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 17 09:50:08 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:50:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6fc04f3e0169bedbb66e3536b80ae426@chartertn.net> > But one of the listed jobs baffles me. In Oz, what are "Cyaniders"? I'm unfamiliar with Aussie lingo, but I'd bet those are folks in the business of extracting gold from ore with a cyanide solution. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 17 13:28:49 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 07:28:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question References: Message-ID: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Cyanide gas fumes were blown down rabbit holes to kill em. Ya dont really know how bad they were at the height of the rabbit plague. So, some folk had a good business going round with a blower setup. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:45 AM Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question > G'day Mates, > > Here's another question for the Aussies about their beloved Australs and > the use thereof. > > Patrick Livingstone has a couple of really neat Austral adverts on his > website. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/Australad1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/Australad2.jpg > > On the first advert it talks about the various types of sensible folks who > use the Austral engine. Most are obvious, Farmers, Irrigators, Miners, > etc. But one of the listed jobs baffles me. In Oz, what are "Cyaniders"? > > On the second advert it mentions how much work you can do with a "Tin of > Kerosene." I've also seen references in the manual to using metal cut > from a kerosene tin for various purposes. > > How big was the typical kerosene tin? I'm guessing around five gallons. > Was this how kero was typically sold in Oz back in that day? > Do any of you have pics of original kerosene tins? It sounds like > something that would be a nice addition to Dave's Austral display info > board. Thanks! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Sat Mar 17 13:48:54 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:48:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] kerosene tin Message-ID: <000501c768d5$b0c239b0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6> If you want info on kerosene tin and some of their uses, do a google search on australian sights and you will find quite a bit of historical information. I have seen 2 and 4 gallon tins Steve Steve and Denise Kitto MS 126 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 17 14:54:32 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:54:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question In-Reply-To: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: G'day Reg, Ahhh, that's amazing. Those of us outside Oz just have no appreciation for what a major problem that was. From 24 wild rabbits released at Barwon Park by Thomas Austin in 1859 you went to being plagued by billions & billions by just the early 1900's. The little buggers were going at it, well, like rabbits. 8-)) Makes you wonder how many people died accidentally from exposure to cyanide gas during those rabbit killing campaigns. Thanks for the info mate!! See ya, Arnie On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > Cyanide gas fumes were blown down rabbit holes to kill em. Ya dont really > know how bad they were at the height of the rabbit plague. So, some folk had > a good business going round with a blower setup. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 17 14:09:33 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:09:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00c201c768d8$a30f1dd0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Yup! But the 'health and safety' mob wern't around then! Come to think on it, I wonder how many rabbits would be here now if the DHS had been around 'controlling' things? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question > G'day Reg, > > Ahhh, that's amazing. Those of us outside Oz just have no appreciation > for what a major problem that was. From 24 wild rabbits released at > Barwon Park by Thomas Austin in 1859 you went to being plagued by billions > & billions by just the early 1900's. The little buggers were going at it, > well, like rabbits. 8-)) > > Makes you wonder how many people died accidentally from exposure to > cyanide gas during those rabbit killing campaigns. > > Thanks for the info mate!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Cyanide gas fumes were blown down rabbit holes to kill em. Ya dont really >> know how bad they were at the height of the rabbit plague. So, some folk >> had >> a good business going round with a blower setup. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 17 14:36:31 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:36:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question In-Reply-To: References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <19c9166486821f300f031d9e56a473b7@chartertn.net> > Ahhh, that's amazing. Those of us outside Oz just have no appreciation > for what a major problem that was. From 24 wild rabbits released at > Barwon Park by Thomas Austin in 1859 you went to being plagued by > billions > & billions by just the early 1900's. The little buggers were going at > it, > well, like rabbits. 8-)) Well, in 1890 a bunch of nuts who wanted to introduce to the U.S. every animal mentioned in Shakespeare's plays released 60 European starlings in Central Park in New York City, then 40 more in 1891. My gutters are full of nests of those buggers right now. I'd sure like to get rid of them. Maybe if ran a Maytag with the exhaust hose in my downspouts? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Frank at lbpinc.com Sat Mar 17 14:55:32 2007 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:55:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Visit to Mt Wilson old iron collection Message-ID: <20070317215842.1759857CA2@gw1.nlenet.net> Last Sunday My friend Fred Rister and I were the guests of Larry Evans for a great tour of the Mt Wilson old iron collection (Known to those outside the old engine community as the Mount Wilson Observatory East of Los Angeles CA . I had told Larry ahead of time that Fred and I are interested in old iron and we make our living in the optics industry so he had Don Nicholson from the observatory there to show us around before we went to see the Fairbanks Morse engine / generator. http://astronomyoutreach.net/astronomers.d/nicholson.d/index.html Much of the Observatory Including Both the 60 in and the 100 in mirror telescopes were installed before 1917 so the mountain is full of old iron to generate electricity (110 V DC) and to move the telescopes to track the stars, and to open and close the shutters and rotate the dome ETC. Even maintenance items like cranes are purpose built to work in the dome top buildings and are original. The whole mountain is a toy box for any one who likes old iron. The place runs on DC because they had to make there own power and they didn't want exhaust or vibration at night so they generated DC during the day and used it at night. There are to many motors to change them all out and they still work so they stay. What a delight. I have posted some pix of motors and panels and a clock work that moved the telescope to track the stars. I also posted a few shots of a Worm wheel because it impressed me, not only for it's size, but because of the story. It had to be brought up the mountain in two parts. Therefor, it was assembled on site and then the teeth were cut in place. Each thing you look at is even more impressive when you realize that they were made in 190? and they were brought up the mountain on a dirt path. There are already good pictures on these sites. http://www.mtwilson.edu/index.php http://www.mwoa.org/gallery.html Don't miss this one. http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ Larry and Ken's site. Very Good. http://oldengine.org/members/levans/mtwilsonfm/ http://physics1.usc.edu/solar/hist_images.html And more. My pictures are at http://lbpinc.com/Mt-wilson.html Warning, LARGE files A great old Iron day. My thanks to Larry Evans and Don Nicholson Frank Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Mar 17 15:06:11 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:06:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070318090248.011f0730@ncable.com.au> > > >How big was the typical kerosene tin? I'm guessing around five gallons. >Was this how kero was typically sold in Oz back in that day? >Do any of you have pics of original kerosene tins? It sounds like >something that would be a nice addition to Dave's Austral display info >board. Thanks! > >See ya, Arnie > >G'day Arnie and all. A typical kero tin is made of very thin >galvanised iron. They were/are a 4 imperial gallon tin and you could >buy them supplied in wooden boxes. The box housed 2 kero tins. I'll >put a couple of pics up on my webshots for anyone who wants to see. regards Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 17 15:26:25 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:26:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question Message-ID: <380-220073617222625199@M2W019.mail2web.com> Well, in 1890 a bunch of nuts who wanted to introduce to the U.S. every animal mentioned in Shakespeare's plays released 60 European starlings in Central Park in New York City, then 40 more in 1891. My gutters are full of nests of those buggers right now. I'd sure like to get rid of them. Maybe if ran a Maytag with the exhaust hose in my downspouts? John Culp Hi John Yes we have Starlings here too, I shoot on site. http://www.agric.wa.gov.au/pls/portal30/docs/FOLDER/IKMP/PW/VP/BIRD/FN076_20 04.PDF http://www.pestanimal.crc.org.au/research/rabbit_fact_sheet.pdf Peter, Oz -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 17 16:40:33 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:40:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question In-Reply-To: <19c9166486821f300f031d9e56a473b7@chartertn.net> References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <19c9166486821f300f031d9e56a473b7@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Hi John, DO I need to point out the obvious flaw in your plan? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, John Culp wrote: > Well, in 1890 a bunch of nuts who wanted to introduce to the U.S. every > animal mentioned in Shakespeare's plays released 60 European starlings > in Central Park in New York City, then 40 more in 1891. My gutters are > full of nests of those buggers right now. I'd sure like to get rid of > them. Maybe if I ran a Maytag with the exhaust hose in my downspouts? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 17 16:49:08 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:49:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><19c9166486821f300f031d9e56a473b7@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <013f01c768ef$492a7460$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Yer just plain evil! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question > Hi John, > > DO I need to point out the obvious flaw in your plan? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Mar 17 17:26:36 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:26:36 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><19c9166486821f300f031d9e56a473b7@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001d01c768f4$1a6787d0$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question > Hi John, > > DO I need to point out the obvious flaw in your plan? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, I think you mean that the fungal growths in the drainpipe would choke the superbly running Maytag! Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Mar 17 18:08:03 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:08:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral Adverts Question In-Reply-To: References: <008501c768d2$e1879b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <19c9166486821f300f031d9e56a473b7@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <81f9a0a20855abe1180972b0464586bf@chartertn.net> Hope springs eternal! John On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:40 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi John, > > DO I need to point out the obvious flaw in your plan? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Mar 17 19:42:29 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:42:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sawblade..Curt is exactly right Message-ID: Talked and showed the Gal sawing outfit to an ole sawyer today. He was cool and after showing him some sawblades, the discussion came up. Never paint (retains the heat..well, maybe not in our application) but, like a ladder, it will hide the cracks. Bottom line, remove the blade retention flanges and occasionally check for cracks starting from the shaft out. Thanks Curt..It's always been up front when running the Gal..will be looking for a new blade! Best Regards, RickinMt. From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 18 06:06:34 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:06:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] Austral, now Starlings Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2007 5:37:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: My gutters are full of nests of those buggers right now. I'd sure like to get rid of them. John, Here is a quiet, neighborly way for you to help your clogged gutter situation. No guns, noise, etc. It works real well! _http://purplemartin.org/shop/product_info.php?cPath=29_49&products_id=229&osC sid=bc0d17fdda024e5ec6b987b554519771_ (http://purplemartin.org/shop/product_info.php?cPath=29_49&products_id=229&osCsid=bc0d17fdda024e5ec6b987b554519771) Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 18 10:03:52 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:03:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral, now Starlings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No guns, noise, etc.? Where's the fun in that? Thanks, Tom! :-D John On Mar 18, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/17/2007 5:37:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > johnculp at chartertn.net writes: > > My gutters are > full of nests of those buggers right now. I'd sure like to get rid of > them. > > John, > > Here is a quiet, neighborly way for you to help your clogged gutter > situation. No guns, noise, etc. It works real well! > _http://purplemartin.org/shop/product_info.php? > cPath=29_49&products_id=229&osC > sid=bc0d17fdda024e5ec6b987b554519771_ > (http://purplemartin.org/shop/product_info.php? > cPath=29_49&products_id=229&osCsid=bc0d17fdda024e5ec6b987b554519771) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rwenig at telus.net Sun Mar 18 11:23:49 2007 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:23:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Austral, now Starlings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FD83B5.5030408@telus.net> Hello John, It keeps the urban dwellers off your back. You can't pack an electric drill around here without someone panicking. Rupert John Culp wrote: > No guns, noise, etc.? Where's the fun in that? > > Thanks, Tom! :-D > > John > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Mar 18 12:32:52 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:32:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral, now Starlings In-Reply-To: <45FD83B5.5030408@telus.net> References: <45FD83B5.5030408@telus.net> Message-ID: <59abbbbc633d4858e9dfdb6008286fcd@chartertn.net> I hear you. John On Mar 18, 2007, at 2:23 PM, Rupert Wenig wrote: > Hello John, > It keeps the urban dwellers off your back. You can't pack an electric > drill around here without someone panicking. > > Rupert John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Mar 18 13:55:24 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:55:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral, now Starlings References: Message-ID: <000901c7699f$c072bd10$0601a8c0@altech> So, how much is Cyanide Gas in the US ;-)))) Peter, Oz > > My gutters are > full of nests of those buggers right now. I'd sure like to get rid of > them. > > John, From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 18 15:18:24 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:18:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Really EXPENSIVE Boat Anchor Message-ID: Item Name: Rare Maytag 1 HP Stoveleg Upright Gas Engine Hit Miss Current bid: US $1,936.00 (19 bids) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find out more - View this Item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330096902697 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Details for item number: 330096902697 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Description: Nice older restoraton of a rare Maytag 1 hp Stoveleg Upright engine from a collection that I recently obtained. Serial # 82806. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun Mar 18 14:34:25 2007 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:34:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] Really EXPENSIVE Boat Anchor Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/2007 4:21:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: Item Name: Rare Maytag 1 HP Stoveleg Upright Gas Engine Hit Miss Current bid: US $1,936.00 (19 bids) Hi Arnie, Please tell your room mate Dave that this verifies that the wonderful engines of Fred, the Maytags, are, pound for pound, the most valuable of all the old iron. Thanks. Regards, Ron Carroll, mgr Maytag Appreciation Division of the Sons of Fred PS: Duke is working out in preparation for the new season and we'll have the tooth sharpener stop by next month. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Mar 18 19:21:35 2007 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:21:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magnet meter References: <001a01c768b2$607339a0$9eba1141@PREFERREB23498> Message-ID: <013201c769cd$51e32000$55a4f504@Ed> Hello Don, I don't have any more of the printed circuit boards, but I ordered 10 of the less sensitive Hall-Effect sensors about a year ago. It took 4 months to get them.I think the sensor we originally used was too sensitive to use directly on the magnet as it saturated. So all I can help you with at this time is the sensor which will cost about as much as the envelope and postage to send it to you. I made about 15 of the magnet meters a few years ago and maybe there are some out there that are not being used that some one could part with. I use mine mostly on small air cooled engine flywheel magnets. The project was a little poorly conceived in that the good magneto guys just hold a magnet up to there favorite I beam and pull it off and know whether it is good or not. I have always wanted to make a measurement of the magnet while still installed in the magneto to get a good idea of its condition before removing it. All I have to work with is the Type R on my FMZ 2 HP. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "don." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Magnet meter > hey Eldon I want one of those > Don in Ohio where the sun is shineing!!!!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:55 AM > Subject: [SEL] Magnet meter > > >> Hello, Ed: >> >> If anyone wants to see more about the meter, they can go to: >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html >> >> Take care - Elden >> edurand at mchsi.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net >> [mailto:owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net]On Behalf Of Ed & Bev >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 07:37 PM >> To: stationary-engine at atis.net >> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >> Subject: Magnet Meter >> >> >> Did you ever wish you could use your digital volt meter to measure the >> strength and polarity of a magnetic field? Or actually measure the >> strength of a magnet before and after remagnetizing? If so, you might be >> interested in this relatively simple voltmeter accessory . It is a Gauss >> Meter. >> >> With a lot of help from Elden, we have put together a little circuit >> board ( 1/2 X 2 inches ) which has the Linear Hall-Effect sensor and >> supporting electronics on it. To use the Gauss Meter you have to provide >> a >> 9 to 12 battery for power and a volt meter to measure the output voltage >> or package it as a standalone instrument like Elden is doing. The main >> ingredients of this project is a battery , a small circuit board and >> five >> electronic components. >> >> If anyone wants to try this project, we might consolidate the parts order >> and , if warranted, have a vender make the PC boards. A WAG at the cost >> is >> $10 to $15. I have more in shipping and handling than parts so it is hard >> to estimate. I need to keep this short and can send pictures / electric >> cartoons off list. So let me know if you might be interested. >> >> Ed Stoller >> New Fairfield, CT >> Drop the spaces. >> edstoller @ earthlink . net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 18 19:23:55 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:23:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass Message-ID: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> Can someone tell me where I can buy a sight glass for my oiler on my F&J Pump engine, it is 2" in diameter, 2" tall and 1/8" thick. Thanks, Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 18 19:32:08 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:32:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070318213150.05096b20@mail.alltel.net> At 09:23 PM 3/18/2007, you wrote: >Can someone tell me where I can buy a sight glass for my oiler on my F&J >Pump engine, it is 2" in diameter, 2" tall and 1/8" thick. > >Thanks, > >Paul Hit and Miss! Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 18 19:35:14 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:35:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass References: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070318213150.05096b20@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00e401c769cf$39eb30d0$240110ac@FAMILY> I will give them a call Dave, I checked the Starbolt Catalog and they did not have one with these dimensions but I did not check with Hit & Miss. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass > At 09:23 PM 3/18/2007, you wrote: >>Can someone tell me where I can buy a sight glass for my oiler on my F&J >>Pump engine, it is 2" in diameter, 2" tall and 1/8" thick. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Paul > > Hit and Miss! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Mar 18 19:38:05 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:38:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Really EXPENSIVE Boat Anchor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070318213655.051a65d8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Twin, You will note that "This item is not covered by buyer protection on eBay" Do I need to tell you why? Dave >Hi Arnie, >Please tell your room mate Dave that this verifies that the wonderful >engines of Fred, the Maytags, are, pound for pound, the most valuable of >all the >old iron. >Thanks. >Regards, >Ron Carroll, mgr >Maytag Appreciation Division of the Sons of Fred > >PS: Duke is working out in preparation for the new season and we'll have >the tooth sharpener stop by next month. > > > > >************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 18 22:53:08 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:53:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <4FA07650-699A-4A97-B58F-90DBCF46F554@rustyiron.com> www.mcmaster.com On Mar 18, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Can someone tell me where I can buy a sight glass for my oiler on > my F&J Pump engine, it is 2" in diameter, 2" tall and 1/8" thick. > > Thanks, > > Paul From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 01:37:04 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <00e401c769cf$39eb30d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <319644.53211.qm@web59201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> When I need an oiler sight glass here in Japan I take my vernier caliper every where I go, particularly the grocery store and 100 yen shops. There are so many glass containers and drinking glasses that it does not take long to find something with the right OD. The thickness might not be the same as an original but that's hard to detect when it is mounted and full of oil. After you have cut a couple glasses and learned how, that dimension will be right on. Guys over here are making nice looking wine-glass oilers from vinegar bottles. Bill wmyoung at juno.ocn,ne,jp From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Mar 19 03:40:55 2007 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:40:55 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <319644.53211.qm@web59201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5hcmp7$105l5ll@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au> So tell us how you cut them Bill. I've often wanted to have a go at doing it Ray Freeman Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of William Young Sent: Monday, 19 March 2007 5:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass When I need an oiler sight glass here in Japan I take my vernier caliper every where I go, particularly the grocery store and 100 yen shops. There are so many glass containers and drinking glasses that it does not take long to find something with the right OD. The thickness might not be the same as an original but that's hard to detect when it is mounted and full of oil. After you have cut a couple glasses and learned how, that dimension will be right on. Guys over here are making nice looking wine-glass oilers from vinegar bottles. Bill wmyoung at juno.ocn,ne,jp _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 19 04:42:40 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 04:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <00e401c769cf$39eb30d0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY> <6.1.2.0.0.20070318213150.05096b20@mail.alltel.net> <00e401c769cf$39eb30d0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <4618.165.206.180.53.1174304560.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> A GEM advertisor is where I've gotten the last several I've needed - come with gaskets. Ordered them for decades from him. -> Lee W. Pedersen Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History 1970 Javelin 1981 Eagle SX/4 coming soon > I will give them a call Dave, I checked the Starbolt Catalog and they did > not have one with these dimensions but I did not check with Hit & Miss. > > Thanks, > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass > > >> At 09:23 PM 3/18/2007, you wrote: >>>Can someone tell me where I can buy a sight glass for my oiler on my F&J >>>Pump engine, it is 2" in diameter, 2" tall and 1/8" thick. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Paul >> >> Hit and Miss! >> Dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 19 05:59:55 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:59:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction Message-ID: _http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?&AuctionNo=204_ (http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?&AuctionNo=204) # Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 19 06:05:39 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:05:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction References: Message-ID: OMG!!! Did you go Tom? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:59 AM Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction > _http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?&AuctionNo=204_ > (http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?&AuctionNo=204) # > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 06:16:05 2007 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:16:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction Message-ID: Rick, The auction is May 19th. I might go but I'd have to take out a loan to afford any of the good stuff ! I'm sure it will be a well attended auction. Dwight ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 19 06:17:23 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:17:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction References: Message-ID: Ah yes..my bad...way too early I guess. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Big $ engine auction > Rick, > The auction is May 19th. I might go but I'd have to take out a loan to > afford any of the good stuff ! > I'm sure it will be a well attended auction. > > Dwight > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 19 06:44:54 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:44:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 9:17:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Vivas1993 at aol.com writes: The auction is May 19th. Dwight, Yes, and it is our show weekend to boot, so I will not be able to attend. Bah-humbug!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Mar 19 07:19:48 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:19:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, That looks like quite a collection of interesting items. I'm not sure about the "90% all museum quality" statement but a lot of nice stuff none the less. The 40 hp Giant engine made by the Chicago Pneumatic Tool Co. is interesting (see http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?AuctionNo=204&p1=175&pinc=25#../auction_images/site04/204/520_186.jpg). The description lists patent dates on that engine in the 1815 to 1820 range. It looks like an internal combustion engine so those dates don't make sense. What am I missing here, does anyone know anything about this company? Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 07:30:09 2007 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:30:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction Message-ID: Hi Mike, Take a look on page 98 of the BYB, there is a little info. on this company and a picture of one of their engines. I think it might be a mistake on the patent dates, probably should be 1915 - 1920. Dwight ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Mar 19 07:38:51 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:38:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Take a look on page 98 of the BYB, there is a little info. on this company >and a picture of one of their engines. I think it might be a mistake on the >patent dates, probably should be 1915 - 1920. Thanks Dwight, I'll take a look this evening when I get home. I was wondering about a typo.... Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 07:43:25 2007 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:43:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction Message-ID: Tom, I forgot about your show being the same weekend ! Also got the Portland swap meet going on at the same time. How'd y'all get so lucky ? I'm working night shift that weekend, so IF I made it to the auction it would only be for a short while. It might be about a 2 hr. drive from here to the auction site. Dwight ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 19 08:31:17 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:31:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big $ engine auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FEACC5.7050507@scrtc.com> Mike, I belive they got their 18's and 19's mixed up. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky >Tom, > >That looks like quite a collection of interesting items. I'm not >sure about the "90% all museum quality" statement but a lot of nice >stuff none the less. The 40 hp Giant engine made by the Chicago >Pneumatic Tool Co. is interesting (see >http://www.hilpipre.com/6_show_items.php?AuctionNo=204&p1=175&pinc=25#../auction_images/site04/204/520_186.jpg). >The description lists patent dates on that engine in the 1815 to 1820 >range. It looks like an internal combustion engine so those dates >don't make sense. What am I missing here, does anyone know anything >about this company? > >Mike > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 11:27:35 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:27:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass References: <319644.53211.qm@web59201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c76a54$448b3780$240110ac@FAMILY> Hey Bill that is a very innovative idea, thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass > When I need an oiler sight glass here in Japan I take my vernier caliper > every where I go, particularly the grocery store and 100 yen shops. There > are so many glass containers and drinking glasses that it does not take > long to find something with the right OD. The thickness might not be the > same as an original but that's hard to detect when it is mounted and full > of oil. After you have cut a couple glasses and learned how, that > dimension will be right on. Guys over here are making nice looking > wine-glass oilers from vinegar bottles. > Bill > wmyoung at juno.ocn,ne,jp > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 11:29:09 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:29:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass References: <00dd01c769cd$a525d280$240110ac@FAMILY><6.1.2.0.0.20070318213150.05096b20@mail.alltel.net><00e401c769cf$39eb30d0$240110ac@FAMILY> <4618.165.206.180.53.1174304560.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <003901c76a54$7c81d8b0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Bill, if Hit & Miss don't have them I will give Lee a call. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass >A GEM advertisor is where I've gotten the last several I've needed - come > with gaskets. Ordered them for decades from him. > -> Lee W. Pedersen > > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History > 1970 Javelin > 1981 Eagle SX/4 coming soon > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Mar 19 12:12:40 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:12:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070319141001.051fef10@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The pictures that I took at the 2007 Zolfo (Pioneer Park Days) are finally up. If nothing else they show the diversity of the show. I think it's one of the better ones each year! See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2007/index.html Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 12:30:21 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:30:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070319141001.051fef10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <007d01c76a5d$0956ba50$240110ac@FAMILY> Great pictures Dave, thanks for taking the time and trouble to post them for all to see. I really enjoyed them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up > Hi All, > The pictures that I took at the 2007 Zolfo (Pioneer Park Days) are finally > up. If nothing else they show the diversity of the show. I think it's one > of the better ones each year! See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2007/index.html > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 19 12:44:34 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:44:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 3:13:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: _http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2007/index.html_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Zolfo_2007/index.html) Nice pictures Dave. I believe I can see Arnie's black feet in one of the pictures. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Mar 19 14:16:21 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:16:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... Message-ID: <45FEFDA5.1000802@imc-group.com> Here is a pattern and core box I just finished to make replacement oversized pistons for 2HP Hercules engines with the 3 5/8" bore. The take apart core box was interesting to make! Thought you might enjoy seeing them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 16:31:06 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <5hcmp7$105l5ll@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <943437.3629.qm@web59206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring wrote: So tell us how you cut them Bill. I've often wanted to have a go at doing it Ray Freeman, Perth WA Ray-san, Curt asked me the same thing off net. Here is my response to him. I'm always looking for inexpensive ways to get things done. Japan is EXPENSIVE. Keep in touch; let me know if you have a go at it. If anyone is interested, I'll pass the word along about the mechanical "Gauss quantifier" I built and used for years -- before I finally broke down and bought a proper, commercial Gauss meter. Now I have Gauss numbers; before, I had inch-pounds, foot-pounds, or m-kg numbers which represented the force necessary to pull magnets apart, as in Wico EK magnetos. I was not interested in the units, only the comparative magnetic force. Curt-san, There are several ways to learn to cut glass -- all good. Get a book and find out what that author says.. Other glass men may not agree 100%. Go watch the local vendor at work. The only problem there is that he will probably be cutting only big, flat, constant- thickness panes into smaller pieces; we will be working with round stuff which will probably have a great variation in thickness.. Suppose we have found a beer glass ( jelly glass, vinegar bottle, anything ) with the outside diameter we want. Better buy several of them at first; I guarantee we ( you ) will not get 100% straightaway. Set the glass aside and invent some way to make a system which will allow the glass to rotate while lightly in contact with the roller on the cutter.. I have made several such systems for cutting various items. A piece of 3/4 in. plywood with 1" X 1" wood strips screwed on to form a VEE of appropriate size will usually allow the glass to rotate evenly. The glass cutter must be securely fastened so it does not move during the scoring process. And that is where the art and experience come in. Most beginners, especially me, want to try to make the glass cutter bite deeply into the piece being cut. When you hear a sound like a faint electric spark as you cut, you are getting close. And JUST ONE good cut is enough. ONE ONLY. It is impossible, I've been told, to get a second cut in exactly the same place. Also try to remember that glass is a "liquid." I have trouble with that one but all of the old pros insist. Two more points. Do the first one or you will surely fail: ALWAYS have just a tiny drop of light oil ( I use 3 in 1 brand or anything similar.) on the cutter. Next, more skill is applied. We are going to make a tool: Imagine a 5 gallon steel can filled with transmission fluid. Forget the contents and concentrate on the heavy wire bail use for carrying. From that material ( or something similar ) we will make a tapper. We are going to tap the INSIDE of the glass ever so lightly, so gently around and right under the score made by the cutter. Sooner or later a fracture will occur. If we are lucky ( but it's skill rather than luck ) the fracture will be along the score mark. We continue the process around the inside of the glass .until the fractures meet. Sounds easy yes? It ain't. But you will learn. I used to like to take those 5 gallon Culligan Water bottles and cut a small circular piece out of the side -- and then plant a whole biosphere inside, The purists did everything from the mouth of the bottle.. One recommendation: I suggest you make your first 50 attempts on glasses that you have gleaned from the local county dump and obtained for free. But it's fun. Let me know if you follow through and what results you had. Your man in Japan, Bill wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Mon Mar 19 16:49:26 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:49:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass References: <943437.3629.qm@web59206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c76a81$3d839ef0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6> Bill Another method of getting the glass to break is to heat it with a candle, and then use an ice cube to rapidly cool it, it will crack easily. I have cut bottles using this method. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto MS 126 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 > Do the first one or you will surely fail: ALWAYS have just a tiny drop of light oil ( I use 3 in 1 brand or anything similar.) on the cutter. > Next, more skill is applied. We are going to make a tool: Imagine a 5 > gallon steel can filled with transmission fluid. Forget the contents and > concentrate on the heavy wire bail use for carrying. From that material > ( or something similar ) we will make a tapper. We are going to tap the > INSIDE of the glass ever so lightly, so gently around and right under the > score made by the cutter. Sooner or later a fracture will occur. If we > are lucky ( but it's skill rather than luck ) the fracture will be along > the score mark. We continue the process around the inside of the glass > .until the fractures meet. Sounds easy yes? It ain't. But you will > learn. I used to like to take those 5 gallon Culligan Water bottles and > cut a small circular piece out of the side -- and then plant a whole > biosphere inside, The purists did everything from the mouth of the > bottle.. > > One recommendation: I suggest you make your first 50 attempts on > glasses that you have gleaned from the local county dump and obtained for > free. But it's fun. Let me know if you follow through and what results > you had. > Your man in Japan, Bill > > wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 17:01:13 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:01:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... References: <45FEFDA5.1000802@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00c101c76a82$e06cd4f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Beautiful work Curt, thanks for the pictures and the explanation, what a process. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... > Here is a pattern and core box I just finished to make replacement > oversized pistons for 2HP Hercules engines with the 3 5/8" bore. The > take apart core box was interesting to make! > Thought you might enjoy seeing them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 19 17:06:33 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:06:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Oiler Sight Glass In-Reply-To: <000e01c76a81$3d839ef0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6> References: <943437.3629.qm@web59206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <000e01c76a81$3d839ef0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6> Message-ID: <45FF2589.3090201@scrtc.com> I was in Louisville, KY several years ago and needed an oiler glass. I went to a company, can't remember the name as they've been out of business for a number of years now, and they had an assortment of glass tubing. I think they made products for the dairy industry (a lot of glass tubing was at one time used in that industry, not sure if it still is or not). I showed them what I needed and they said it was no problem. They had a cutter that was under a shield. They sat the glass tubing under the shild and clamped it and then they hit a switch and water, or what appeared to be water, flooded the glass. A blade that the guy told me was diamond tipped, maybe 1/16 of an inch thick, sawed through it about like you would cut a board on a table saw. It was a real slick operation. Sure would have loved to got my hand on that cutter when they went out of business. It probably ended up in the scrap heap. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Bill >Another method of getting the glass to break is to heat it with a candle, >and then use an ice cube to rapidly cool it, it will crack easily. I have >cut bottles using this method. >Steve > >Steve and Denise Kitto >MS 126 >95 Coleyville Road >Mutdapilly QLD 4307 > > > From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Mar 19 17:27:31 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:27:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070319141001.051fef10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <009101c76a86$8d1935b0$6500a8c0@home> Great Job Dave ! Some day If I live long enough I'm gona get me one of them thar big engines and throw all my Lil ones away . if its ok with my wife :-) Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 17:29:07 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:29:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070319141001.051fef10@mail.alltel.net> <009101c76a86$8d1935b0$6500a8c0@home> Message-ID: <010001c76a86$c621e320$240110ac@FAMILY> Rex don't throw the little ones away I will come and get them for you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up > Great Job Dave ! Some day If I live long enough I'm gona get me one of > them > thar big engines and throw all my Lil ones away . if its ok with my wife > :-) > > Rex > > From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Mar 19 19:21:01 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:21:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Update on Fairbanks-Morse Power Plant Message-ID: Go here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 19 18:39:11 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:39:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Update on Fairbanks-Morse Power Plant References: Message-ID: Thanks Elden...like we say..ya don't stop in Billings if yer headed fer New York!!!! er, whatever works for ya. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Update on Fairbanks-Morse Power Plant > Go here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Mar 19 19:36:57 2007 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:36:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Update on Fairbanks-Morse Power Plant References: Message-ID: <008701c76a98$a55b5d30$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Thx. Elden. I'm following the move with interest. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Update on Fairbanks-Morse Power Plant > Go here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ddotto at cableone.net Mon Mar 19 20:38:21 2007 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:38:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... In-Reply-To: <45FEFDA5.1000802@imc-group.com> References: <45FEFDA5.1000802@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001301c76aa1$351cd770$0301a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Curt Beautiful work as always! Thanks for sharing. The leather fillets look great; if and when I ever do any more of that work I think I would like to go that way. The Bondo fillets were a real bear to sand and get looking right. Best Regards Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:16 PM > To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org) > Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... > > Here is a pattern and core box I just finished to make replacement > oversized pistons for 2HP Hercules engines with the 3 5/8" bore. The > take apart core box was interesting to make! > Thought you might enjoy seeing them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > umbnails.html> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Tue Mar 20 00:30:00 2007 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:30:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp Message-ID: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> BlankHi, my son helped me figure out how to film, edit and upload this video to youtube of me starting this old girl. Kids are good, even better than engines sometimes. Click on the link.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjO9U--aFk Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Mar 20 00:39:04 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:39:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Spam/Phish> RE: Starting Olds 12Hp In-Reply-To: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <20070320073851.KEEI14698.oaamta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Looks great, it is a nice running engine. It must be a big heavy beast as my 6hp is a bit of a monster so the 12hp must be impressive :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- BlankHi, my son helped me figure out how to film, edit and upload this video to youtube of me starting this old girl. Kids are good, even better than engines sometimes. Click on the link.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjO9U--aFk Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines From brock at netspeed.com.au Tue Mar 20 01:24:07 2007 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:24:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp Message-ID: <45ff9a27.29c.34c2.1482930343@netspeed.com.au> it looks great ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:30:00 +1100 > BlankHi, my son helped me figure out how to film, edit > and upload this video to youtube of me starting this old > girl. Kids are good, even better than engines sometimes. > Click on the link.. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjO9U--aFk > > > Michael Young > 5 Beech Crescent > Orange NSW 2800 > AUSTRALIA > http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 20 01:32:36 2007 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:32:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <06db01c76acf$8ab041d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Good video. I should know you but I cant put a face to ya! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Mar 20 03:50:23 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:50:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp In-Reply-To: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070320214900.01e45868@ncable.com.au> G'day Michael, lucky your a little on the tall side! I can just imagine a short ass like me trying to swing that old girl over. Nice engine. Regards Russell At 06:30 PM 20/03/2007, you wrote: >BlankHi, my son helped me figure out how to film, edit and upload >this video to youtube of me starting this old girl. Kids are good, >even better than engines sometimes. Click on the link.. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjO9U--aFk > > >Michael Young >5 Beech Crescent >Orange NSW 2800 >AUSTRALIA >http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Mar 20 04:08:40 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:08:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070320215303.01e4b9d0@ncable.com.au> Howdy ya all. I want to have a go of fixing the bearing gap (if you like) in the big Graham engine I have. It runs fine but has a little jump in the crank shaft in the bearings itself on the compression stroke. So yes they are warn, but not major or it does look like a major problem anyway. Some of my past engines have actually had a very thin layer of white metal placed on the original bronze bearings so I thought I could do the same thing. I have plenty of white metal. Just have never used it before. How would I go about melting the white metal and attaching it to the bronze bearings. I imagine I would clamp the bearings together and put something similar in size to my crank shaft inside. Melt the white metal and pour! But I need to prep the bronze surface area first ... Yes? How would that be done? second when I pour the metal ...... should the bronze be preheated at all? and what should I use to on the shaft bit so the metal doesn't stick to it when I remove it from the set casting? I have never done this stuff before so I will probably stuff something up but one will not learn if one does not have a go. In case some of you are wondering how big the gap I trying to fill is .... I would have a guess to say about the thickness of 2 to 3 playing cards. regards Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 20 05:31:05 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:31:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] Update on Fairbanks-Morse Power Plant Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 9:21:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: _http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20S tation.html_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/F-M%20Power%20Station/F-M%20Power%20Station.html) A great undertaking! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 20 05:41:42 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:41:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 5:17:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: The take apart core box was interesting to make! Nice work Curt! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 20 09:26:06 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:26:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070320215303.01e4b9d0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Russell: If you can get the big end into a lathe or mill, most of the critical work is easy. Beings I've never rebabbitted a bearing (scraped in a set of mains on my American LaFrance a few years ago), I might give some wrong advice. To make the babbitt stick to the bronze, first clean up the surfaces with sandpaper, etc. and use a good solder flux and tin the bearings with babbitt until the surfaces are completely covered. To keep the babbitt from sticking to the mandrel, one way is to use an acetylene torch with no oxygen to smoke the mandrel. Babbitt won't stick to the carbon. Before pouring the bearing, make up several shims so you can take-up wear in the bearing in the future. I suppose you'd be good to go with about 0.030" or so of shims. Then, assemble the bearing with the shims. If you can easily machine the new babbitt to fit the journal, you can leave a gap of 1/8 inch or so between the mandrel and the bearing. This will allow the white metal to flow to all parts of the bearing. Also, you need to heat the bearing to very near the melting temperature of the babbitt so the poured metal will fuse to the tin coating. After the whole works has cooled, machine to fit. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Russell > Gilbert > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 06:09 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question > > > Howdy ya all. > I want to have a go of fixing the bearing gap (if > you like) in the > big Graham engine I have. It runs fine but has a > little jump in the > crank shaft in the bearings itself on the > compression stroke. So yes > they are warn, but not major or it does look like > a major problem > anyway. Some of my past engines have actually had > a very thin layer > of white metal placed on the original bronze > bearings so I thought I > could do the same thing. I have plenty of white > metal. Just have > never used it before. How would I go about > melting the white metal > and attaching it to the bronze bearings. I > imagine I would clamp the > bearings together and put something similar in > size to my crank shaft > inside. Melt the white metal and pour! But I need > to prep the bronze > surface area first ... Yes? How would that be > done? second when I > pour the metal ...... should the bronze be > preheated at all? and what > should I use to on the shaft bit so the metal > doesn't stick to it > when I remove it from the set casting? > I have never done this stuff before so I will > probably stuff > something up but one will not learn if one does > not have a go. In > case some of you are wondering how big the gap I > trying to fill is > .... I would have a guess to say about the > thickness of 2 to 3 playing cards. > regards Russell > > > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Mar 20 09:01:08 2007 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:01:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... References: <45FEFDA5.1000802@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000e01c76b08$f9d08050$542f3a18@ownerfm3tybt04> Beautiful job, Curt. I think most on the list understand the process, but one thing I have a tough time explaining to people is the concept of a corebox. I guess they've never thought about it enough realize that to get hollow castings, there has to be a "mold to make part of the mold". Your pictures are worth a thousand words. Good luck on the castings, looks like they'll come out well. Best Regards; Jim Mackessy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Pattern and corebox..... > Here is a pattern and core box I just finished to make replacement > oversized pistons for 2HP Hercules engines with the 3 5/8" bore. The > take apart core box was interesting to make! > Thought you might enjoy seeing them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 20 10:34:59 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:34:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show Pictures are Up In-Reply-To: <009101c76a86$8d1935b0$6500a8c0@home> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070319141001.051fef10@mail.alltel.net> <009101c76a86$8d1935b0$6500a8c0@home> Message-ID: Just remember one thing Rex. They're still making wives. They're NOT still making the big old engines. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Rex Hinz wrote: > Great Job Dave ! Some day If I live long enough I'm gona get me one of them > thar big engines and throw all my Lil ones away . if its ok with my wife :-) From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Tue Mar 20 07:56:41 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cutting Oiler Sight Glasses In-Reply-To: <000e01c76a81$3d839ef0$0205a8c0@y7x7u6> Message-ID: <128565.7528.qm@web59206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Steve-san, The candle & ice bit is done after scoring with regular glass cutter? I have heard, but never tried, that wrapping a single turn of nichrome wire around the glass to be cut, passing a current through the wire to get it glow-red hot, will do the trick. Bill From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Tue Mar 20 17:30:49 2007 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:30:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cutting Oiler Sight Glasses References: <128565.7528.qm@web59206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c76b50$2fc23180$0205a8c0@y7x7u6> Yes, I have a special cutting gadget that I have had for many years that was specially designed for cutting bottles. I have even seen what is called a rod blade which you put in a hack saw that can cut glass. They are available from many hardware outlets Steve Steve and Denise Kitto MS 126 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cutting Oiler Sight Glasses > Steve-san, The candle & ice bit is done after scoring with regular glass > cutter? I have heard, but never tried, that wrapping a single turn of > nichrome wire around the glass to be cut, passing a current through the > wire to get it glow-red hot, will do the trick. Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Mar 21 03:32:42 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:32:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070320215303.01e4b9d0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070321213022.01e42670@ncable.com.au> Thanks Elden, sounds pretty easy if you say it quick. Also seems similar to an off list reply I got also. Many thanks; I will endevour to do it over the next couple of weeks - to busy with work again at the minute. I will report my experience when it's done. regards Russell At 03:26 AM 21/03/2007, you wrote: >Russell: > >If you can get the big end into a lathe or mill, most of the >critical work is easy. Beings I've never rebabbitted a bearing >(scraped in a set of mains on my American LaFrance a few years ago), >I might give some wrong advice. > >To make the babbitt stick to the bronze, first clean up the surfaces >with sandpaper, etc. and use a good solder flux and tin the bearings >with babbitt until the surfaces are completely covered. > >To keep the babbitt from sticking to the mandrel, one way is to use >an acetylene torch with no oxygen to smoke the mandrel. Babbitt >won't stick to the carbon. > >Before pouring the bearing, make up several shims so you can take-up >wear in the bearing in the future. I suppose you'd be good to go >with about 0.030" or so of shims. Then, assemble the bearing with the shims. > >If you can easily machine the new babbitt to fit the journal, you >can leave a gap of 1/8 inch or so between the mandrel and the >bearing. This will allow the white metal to flow to all parts of >the bearing. Also, you need to heat the bearing to very near the >melting temperature of the babbitt so the poured metal will fuse to >the tin coating. > >After the whole works has cooled, machine to fit. > >Take care - Elden >edurand at mchsi.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Russell > > Gilbert > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 06:09 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question > > > > > > Howdy ya all. > > I want to have a go of fixing the bearing gap (if > > you like) in the > > big Graham engine I have. It runs fine but has a > > little jump in the > > crank shaft in the bearings itself on the > > compression stroke. So yes > > they are warn, but not major or it does look like > > a major problem > > anyway. Some of my past engines have actually had > > a very thin layer > > of white metal placed on the original bronze > > bearings so I thought I > > could do the same thing. I have plenty of white > > metal. Just have > > never used it before. How would I go about > > melting the white metal > > and attaching it to the bronze bearings. I > > imagine I would clamp the > > bearings together and put something similar in > > size to my crank shaft > > inside. Melt the white metal and pour! But I need > > to prep the bronze > > surface area first ... Yes? How would that be > > done? second when I > > pour the metal ...... should the bronze be > > preheated at all? and what > > should I use to on the shaft bit so the metal > > doesn't stick to it > > when I remove it from the set casting? > > I have never done this stuff before so I will > > probably stuff > > something up but one will not learn if one does > > not have a go. In > > case some of you are wondering how big the gap I > > trying to fill is > > .... I would have a guess to say about the > > thickness of 2 to 3 playing cards. > > regards Russell > > > > > > > > Russell Gilbert > > Sunny Sunraysia > > russell at ncable.com.au > > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 21 06:09:16 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:09:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Galloway website Message-ID: I can't access John's website..how 'bout ya'll? http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/index.html From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Mar 21 06:20:44 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Galloway website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3829.165.206.180.53.1174483244.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Nope - something is amiss with his default page or html file. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History 1970 Javelin Eagle SX/4 coming soon > > I can't access John's website..how 'bout ya'll? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/index.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 21 08:08:53 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:08:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't get it either (21 March, 10:05 AM EDT). Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 08:09 AM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] Galloway website > > > > I can't access John's website..how 'bout ya'll? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/index.html From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 21 07:16:24 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:16:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Galloway website References: Message-ID: Huh..that's strange... Anyone got one of these? Looks interesting. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320095318305 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway website > I don't get it either (21 March, 10:05 AM EDT). > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard > > Strobel > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 08:09 AM > > To: sel > > Subject: [SEL] Galloway website > > > > > > > > I can't access John's website..how 'bout ya'll? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 21 07:27:00 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:27:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Galloway website Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/2007 10:17:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Anyone got one of these? Pretty interesting engine. Would be a nice project! Tom ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Mar 21 07:20:52 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:20:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway website Message-ID: <20070321.092220.1212.9.jlb94@juno.com> Nope Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " When happiness shows up give it a comfortable seat". (_o_) From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Mar 21 07:10:35 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:10:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cutting Oiler Sight Glasses Message-ID: <20070321.092220.1212.6.jlb94@juno.com> I was at a show where a guy sat by his trailer and was using a Dremel (high speed hobby drill) to cut baby food jars into oiler glass. I stopped back to see how he did. I guess it would work but the surfaces of his cuts were rather rough. The surfaces could be dressed on a belt sander I suppose. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " When happiness shows up give it a comfortable seat". (_o_) From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Mar 21 08:46:46 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:46:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Auction, was Galloway website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200703211547.l2LFkuKX054430@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:16 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway website Huh..that's strange... Anyone got one of these? Looks interesting. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320095318305 ~~~~~~~~~~~ I wonder what the seller is shouting about. All caps is annoying, to say the least. If that sort of thing bugs anyone else, here's a helpful hint if you have Word for Windows: Cut and paste the text into Word, highlight it, then do a Shift + f3 on it. This will convert it all to lower case. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway website > I don't get it either (21 March, 10:05 AM EDT). > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Richard > > Strobel > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 08:09 AM > > To: sel > > Subject: [SEL] Galloway website > > > > > > > > I can't access John's website..how 'bout ya'll? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Wed Mar 21 11:08:28 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:08:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr References: <200703211547.l2LFkuKX054430@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <005b01c76be3$ee2e04d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it was stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of a site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing and I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, but this seems to be different in style. Thanks in advance, Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 21 12:50:27 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:50:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr In-Reply-To: <005b01c76be3$ee2e04d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <200703211547.l2LFkuKX054430@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005b01c76be3$ee2e04d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: Hi Dave, What model Novo Rollr engine do you have? I have some literature that might show the breather cap. I've also got an 8 hp two-cylinder Novo Rollr pump outfit and I could take a pic of the breather if that would be useful. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/rollr.htm See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Dave Ernst wrote: > I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it was > stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of a > site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing and > I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, but > this seems to be different in style. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Mar 21 12:29:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:29:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the Baraboo Show this year? See: http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 21 13:47:43 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:47:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: And speaking of Baraboo.... I haven't heard anything from Joe Prindle recently. 8->>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the Baraboo Show this year? See: > http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Mar 21 16:07:11 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:07:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr In-Reply-To: <005b01c76be3$ee2e04d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <200703211547.l2LFkuKX054430@mail-gw.fsr.net> <005b01c76be3$ee2e04d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <20070321200715.4D7C3228344@md5.pennswoods.net> Dave i have a Nova Rollr. I think it is a Nova Rollr2 can check it out for you if it would help. Have not had a eye on it in over a year short memory. R Fink At 11:08 AM 3/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: >I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it was >stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of a >site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing and >I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, but >this seems to be different in style. > >Thanks in advance, >Dave > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 21 13:42:40 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:42:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fred Prichard Message-ID: <000a01c76bf9$78f80f60$61a1693a@fred> Hi, Can anyone help me with the email address for Fred Prichard ,lives in New Hampshire USA. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From rex002 at centurytel.net Wed Mar 21 18:14:41 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:14:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000d01c76c1f$7880c740$6500a8c0@home> Not so bad , I guess he couldn't catch a live deer , I'm looking forward to see all of you at Baraboo , I may have a batch of home brewed beer aged by then , Dave bring the Austral , gota see it. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? > And speaking of Baraboo.... I haven't heard anything from Joe Prindle > recently. 8->>> > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the Baraboo Show this year? See: >> http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Mar 21 18:40:35 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:40:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? In-Reply-To: <000d01c76c1f$7880c740$6500a8c0@home> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> <000d01c76c1f$7880c740$6500a8c0@home> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321203855.046ed898@mail.alltel.net> Hi Rex, I've pretty much decided that where ever I go this year the Austral goes with me! See you on August 17th! Dave At 08:14 PM 3/21/2007, you wrote: > Not so bad , I guess he couldn't catch a live deer , I'm looking forward >to see all of you at Baraboo , I may have a batch of home brewed beer aged >by then , Dave bring the Austral , gota see it. > >Rex >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arnie Fero" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:47 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? > > > > And speaking of Baraboo.... I haven't heard anything from Joe Prindle > > recently. 8->>> > > > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > >> Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the Baraboo Show this year? See: > >> http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 21 20:00:04 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:00:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr References: <200703211547.l2LFkuKX054430@mail-gw.fsr.net><005b01c76be3$ee2e04d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <20070321200715.4D7C3228344@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: Dave..need more info as in number of cylinders and such Regards, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr > Dave i have a Nova Rollr. I think it is a Nova Rollr2 can check it > out for you if it would help. Have not had a eye on it in over a year > short memory. > R Fink > > > At 11:08 AM 3/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: > >I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it > >was > >stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of > >a > >site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing > >and > >I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, > >but > >this seems to be different in style. > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Dave > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Mar 21 20:18:38 2007 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:18:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Way O/t Message-ID: I would guess this is not from the left side.!! Crank 'er up Apologize Spence..too good not to share...devil made me do it!!! Ricksomewhere on the left side. http://egg.d21c.com/egg.swf From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Mar 21 22:41:45 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:41:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <46021719.4000107@scrtc.com> I locked a guy up once for doing this with a goat......it was live though......you know we're a bit "higher class" here in KY that they are in Wisconsin.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the Baraboo Show this year? See: >http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp > Dave > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Mar 21 22:47:55 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:47:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fred Prichard In-Reply-To: <000a01c76bf9$78f80f60$61a1693a@fred> References: <000a01c76bf9$78f80f60$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <4602188B.3080503@scrtc.com> Brian, Fred now lives in Tennessee. I can get his contact info for you if someone hasn't already gotten it to you. Let me know. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi, >Can anyone help me with the email address for Fred Prichard ,lives in New Hampshire USA. >Brian and David Watts >Melbourne >Australia >(03) 97266147 >http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat >briwatt at optusnet.com.au > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Mar 22 01:25:31 2007 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:25:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> <7.0.1.0.0.20070320214900.01e45868@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Russel, that was the bloooody engine that wouldnt start the day you were here. I have got the technique down pat now and have found that petrol is needed. Just put it in the tank and it will go every time!! Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp > G'day Michael, lucky your a little on the tall side! I can just > imagine a short ass like me trying to swing that old girl over. Nice > engine. > Regards Russell > > At 06:30 PM 20/03/2007, you wrote: >>BlankHi, my son helped me figure out how to film, edit and upload >>this video to youtube of me starting this old girl. Kids are good, >>even better than engines sometimes. Click on the link.. >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjO9U--aFk >> >> >>Michael Young >>5 Beech Crescent >>Orange NSW 2800 >>AUSTRALIA >>http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Mar 22 06:55:07 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:55:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr Message-ID: <20070322105509.EB64E2286AB@md5.pennswoods.net> Dave i have a Nova Rollr. I think it is a Nova Rollr R F can check it out for you if it would help. Have not had a eye on it in over a year short memory. R Fink At 11:08 AM 3/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: >I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it was >stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of a >site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing and >I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, but >this seems to be different in style. > >Thanks in advance, >Dave > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 22 06:26:30 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:26:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? In-Reply-To: <46021719.4000107@scrtc.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070321142922.046ec680@mail.alltel.net> <46021719.4000107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070322082441.046f58e0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tommy, I thought goats were legal in KY. Or was the goat under the age of 12? Dave At 12:41 AM 3/22/2007, you wrote: >I locked a guy up once for doing this with a goat......it was live >though......you know we're a bit "higher class" here in KY that they are >in Wisconsin.... > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the Baraboo Show this year? See: > >http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Mar 22 08:04:17 2007 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:04:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070322082441.046f58e0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Dave: No - it's sheep that are legal as long as they give consent. There is no age of consent for sheep in Kaintuck. Goats are only legal if they are of age and their services are utilized on alternate Wednesdays of alternate months in leap years. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave > Rotigel > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 08:27 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? > > > Hi Tommy, I thought goats were legal in KY. Or > was the goat under the age > of 12? > Dave > > At 12:41 AM 3/22/2007, you wrote: > >I locked a guy up once for doing this with a > goat......it was live > >though......you know we're a bit "higher class" > here in KY that they are > >in Wisconsin.... > > > >Tommy Turner > >Magnolia, KY > > > > > > >Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the > Baraboo Show this year? See: > > >http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 22 07:09:07 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:09:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20070322082441.046f58e0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070322090710.047e5168@mail.alltel.net> DAMN, With complicated laws like that it's no wonder the poor guy in Judge Turner's court got confused! Dave At 10:04 AM 3/22/2007, you wrote: >Dave: >Goats are only legal if they are of age and their services are utilized on >alternate Wednesdays of alternate months in leap years. > >Take care - Elden >edurand at mchsi.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Dave > > Rotigel > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 08:27 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show???? > > > > > > Hi Tommy, I thought goats were legal in KY. Or > > was the goat under the age > > of 12? > > Dave > > > > At 12:41 AM 3/22/2007, you wrote: > > >I locked a guy up once for doing this with a > > goat......it was live > > >though......you know we're a bit "higher class" > > here in KY that they are > > >in Wisconsin.... > > > > > >Tommy Turner > > >Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > > > >Arnie, Are you sure you want to go to the > > Baraboo Show this year? See: > > > >http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 22 07:43:09 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:43:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070321213022.01e42670@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070320215303.01e4b9d0@ncable.com.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070321213022.01e42670@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <460295FD.1080202@imc-group.com> Russell, I've had a read of your post several times and am a bit confused. Elden seems to be replying to repairing a big end on a conn rod, yet your post seems to be asking about the crankshaft mains. You say the crankshaft has a "bit of jump in the bearings (plural) itself " and I take it this is the mains supporting the crankshaft. You also mention the existing brass mains..... Hope this is not too stupid a question, but why not just turn up a new set of brass bushings and drop them in the saddles? Seems this would be easier and a whole lot more accurate than building up the old ones with babbitt. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Russell Gilbert wrote: > Thanks Elden, sounds pretty easy if you say it quick. Also seems > similar to an off list reply I got also. Many thanks; I will endevour > to do it over the next couple of weeks - to busy with work again at > the minute. I will report my experience when it's done. regards Russell > > At 03:26 AM 21/03/2007, you wrote: > >> Russell: >> >> If you can get the big end into a lathe or mill, most of the >> critical work is easy. Beings I've never rebabbitted a bearing >> (scraped in a set of mains on my American LaFrance a few years ago), >> I might give some wrong advice. >> >> To make the babbitt stick to the bronze, first clean up the surfaces >> with sandpaper, etc. and use a good solder flux and tin the bearings >> with babbitt until the surfaces are completely covered. >> >> To keep the babbitt from sticking to the mandrel, one way is to use >> an acetylene torch with no oxygen to smoke the mandrel. Babbitt >> won't stick to the carbon. >> >> Before pouring the bearing, make up several shims so you can take-up >> wear in the bearing in the future. I suppose you'd be good to go >> with about 0.030" or so of shims. Then, assemble the bearing with the shims. >> >> If you can easily machine the new babbitt to fit the journal, you >> can leave a gap of 1/8 inch or so between the mandrel and the >> bearing. This will allow the white metal to flow to all parts of >> the bearing. Also, you need to heat the bearing to very near the >> melting temperature of the babbitt so the poured metal will fuse to >> the tin coating. >> >> After the whole works has cooled, machine to fit. >> >> Take care - Elden >> edurand at mchsi.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>> Behalf Of Russell >>> Gilbert >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 06:09 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: [SEL] White metal to bronze question >>> >>> >>> Howdy ya all. >>> I want to have a go of fixing the bearing gap (if >>> you like) in the >>> big Graham engine I have. It runs fine but has a >>> little jump in the >>> crank shaft in the bearings itself on the >>> compression stroke. So yes >>> they are warn, but not major or it does look like >>> a major problem >>> anyway. Some of my past engines have actually had >>> a very thin layer >>> of white metal placed on the original bronze >>> bearings so I thought I >>> could do the same thing. I have plenty of white >>> metal. Just have >>> never used it before. How would I go about >>> melting the white metal >>> and attaching it to the bronze bearings. I >>> imagine I would clamp the >>> bearings together and put something similar in >>> size to my crank shaft >>> inside. Melt the white metal and pour! But I need >>> to prep the bronze >>> surface area first ... Yes? How would that be >>> done? second when I >>> pour the metal ...... should the bronze be >>> preheated at all? and what >>> should I use to on the shaft bit so the metal >>> doesn't stick to it >>> when I remove it from the set casting? >>> I have never done this stuff before so I will >>> probably stuff >>> something up but one will not learn if one does >>> not have a go. In >>> case some of you are wondering how big the gap I >>> trying to fill is >>> .... I would have a guess to say about the >>> thickness of 2 to 3 playing cards. >>> regards Russell >>> >>> >>> >>> Russell Gilbert >>> Sunny Sunraysia >>> russell at ncable.com.au >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Mar 22 08:07:54 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:07:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Starting Olds 12Hp In-Reply-To: <000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203> References: <000801c76ac1$92f80a70$0301a8c0@Young1203> <7.0.1.0.0.20070320214900.01e45868@ncable.com.au> <000701c76c5b$a87656e0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <46029BCA.5000500@imc-group.com> Hey Michael, I see you've read the Rob & Kelley engine operators manual now :-) Curt Michael Young wrote: > have found that petrol is needed. Just put it in the tank and it will go every time!! > > From shop at cccomm.net Thu Mar 22 08:59:29 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:59:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr References: <20070322105509.EB64E2286AB@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <00b001c76c9b$13128520$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> It's a single cylinder, prefix TU on the plate. Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr > Dave i have a Nova Rollr. I think it is a Nova Rollr R F can check it > out for you if it would help. Have not had a eye on it in over a year > short memory. > R Fink > > > At 11:08 AM 3/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: >>I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it >>was >>stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of a >>site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing >>and >>I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, >>but >>this seems to be different in style. >> >>Thanks in advance, >>Dave >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Mar 22 16:21:00 2007 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:21:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo Rollr In-Reply-To: <00b001c76c9b$13128520$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <20070322105509.EB64E2286AB@md5.pennswoods.net> <00b001c76c9b$13128520$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <20070322202106.F146E228C56@md5.pennswoods.net> Mine is a two cylinder. I got it a few years back with the help on many list members to get it across country. And Thanks again to all that helped R Fink At 08:59 AM 3/22/2007 -0700, you wrote: >It's a single cylinder, prefix TU on the plate. > >Thanks >Dave >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Fink Sr" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:55 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo Rollr > > > > Dave i have a Nova Rollr. I think it is a Nova Rollr R F can check it > > out for you if it would help. Have not had a eye on it in over a year > > short memory. > > R Fink > > > > > > At 11:08 AM 3/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: > >>I have a Novo Rollr engine that was given to me by a friend who said it > >>was > >>stuck and probably junk. Now it's purring like a kitten. Anybody know of a > >>site where I can get a look at the crankcase breather cap? It's missing > >>and > >>I need to find one. I have a couple of others that fit the earlier ones, > >>but > >>this seems to be different in style. > >> > >>Thanks in advance, > >>Dave > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 22 14:42:40 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:42:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios Message-ID: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all Here is a handy conversion chart for mixing two stroke fuels. http://www.speed-sports.com/more/oil.html For Aussies, the gallons are Yankee gallons, but the litres work fine. A must for the keen maytag exhibitors ;-))) I run Kaye's 72 twin on 35:1 Castrol TT and have done so since 1999. Just a hint of smoke is good. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 22 14:46:56 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:46:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios References: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <000901c76ccb$9d9691c0$0601a8c0@altech> Oooppps, missed this one, here is a complete chart!! http://www.rctek.com/pdf/fuel_to_oil_ratio_chart.pdf Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Mar 22 15:53:14 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:53:14 +0800 Subject: [SEL] TEST?? Message-ID: <000901c76cd4$e2f63000$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 22 16:11:26 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:11:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios In-Reply-To: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: 35:1 ???? Come on mate, with modern oils you should be doing at least 50,000:1 in those bloody Maytags!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > Here is a handy conversion chart for mixing two stroke fuels. > http://www.speed-sports.com/more/oil.html > > For Aussies, the gallons are Yankee gallons, but the litres work fine. > > A must for the keen maytag exhibitors ;-))) > > I run Kaye's 72 twin on 35:1 Castrol TT and have done so since 1999. Just a > hint of smoke is good. From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Mar 22 16:37:10 2007 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:37:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cutting Oiler Sight Glasses In-Reply-To: <20070321.092220.1212.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20070321.092220.1212.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <2fa41341d89b82fc9f1ab2910a9ea8a7@chartertn.net> Lots of folks are using ceramic tile cutters to slice off wine bottle necks for guitar slides. John On Mar 21, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > I was at a show where a guy sat by his trailer and was using a Dremel > (high speed hobby drill) > to cut baby food jars into oiler glass. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From falcon at telenet.net Thu Mar 22 19:53:34 2007 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:53:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios In-Reply-To: References: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <4603412E.2070207@telenet.net> Arnie Fero wrote: > 35:1 ???? Come on mate, with modern oils you should be doing at least > 50,000:1 in those bloody Maytags!! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Here is a handy conversion chart for mixing two stroke fuels. >> http://www.speed-sports.com/more/oil.html >> >> For Aussies, the gallons are Yankee gallons, but the litres work fine. >> >> A must for the keen maytag exhibitors ;-))) >> >> I run Kaye's 72 twin on 35:1 Castrol TT and have done so since 1999. Just a >> hint of smoke is good. > Buy yourself some Amsoil and you can run all your twosmokes on 100:1 mix. Just be aware that it WILL give you a BAD headache if you breath in the fumes to much. Used it a lot in my race sleds and never had a problem, except the headaches... -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 22 20:07:38 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:07:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios References: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <000701c76cf8$69abbb60$0601a8c0@altech> I did run it at 50:1 but it got a squeal up ;-)) Peter > 35:1 ???? Come on mate, with modern oils you should be doing at least > 50,000:1 in those bloody Maytags!! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Here is a handy conversion chart for mixing two stroke fuels. >> http://www.speed-sports.com/more/oil.html >> >> For Aussies, the gallons are Yankee gallons, but the litres work fine. >> >> A must for the keen maytag exhibitors ;-))) >> >> I run Kaye's 72 twin on 35:1 Castrol TT and have done so since 1999. Just >> a >> hint of smoke is good. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Mar 23 05:03:38 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:03:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: two stroke fuel ratios Message-ID: <000a01c76d43$4aaee200$0601a8c0@altech> Hi All Can someone who uses AOL tell me how to get rid on the AOL advertising banner at the bottom of this page, it must be under options etc. Also when an email arrives it places the original email into the attachment line. When the email arrives it looks like something is attached, normally for us a photo etc, this attachment is not necessary and you must be able to turn it off. Peter, Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: Labpoop at aol.com To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Fwd: two stroke fule ratios Nice find Peter! Very handy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Mar 23 09:37:29 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:37:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios In-Reply-To: <000701c76cf8$69abbb60$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech> <000701c76cf8$69abbb60$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070323113619.04833ff0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peter, try 500:1 and the squeal will stop! Dave At 10:07 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote: >I did run it at 50:1 but it got a squeal up ;-)) > >Peter > > > > > 35:1 ???? Come on mate, with modern oils you should be doing at least > > 50,000:1 in those bloody Maytags!! 8-)) > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: > > > >> Here is a handy conversion chart for mixing two stroke fuels. > >> http://www.speed-sports.com/more/oil.html > >> > >> For Aussies, the gallons are Yankee gallons, but the litres work fine. > >> > >> A must for the keen maytag exhibitors ;-))) > >> > >> I run Kaye's 72 twin on 35:1 Castrol TT and have done so since 1999. Just > >> a > >> hint of smoke is good. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 23 13:12:10 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:12:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay Message-ID: <4604349A.7030603@scrtc.com> OK folks, I know this isn't a tractor list but I'm curious if anyone else was following the 330 JD that was on ebay. It was SN330001 and was supposedly the first 330 JD made. I checked this morning and bidding was at $93,000 and change but this afternoon I went to check on it and can't find it. Did anyone else see it? Not sure what happened. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Mar 23 16:37:09 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:37:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] two stroke fule ratios References: <000301c76ccb$0475d320$0601a8c0@altech><000701c76cf8$69abbb60$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070323113619.04833ff0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002201c76da4$2cdfd840$0601a8c0@altech> You are the EVIL ONE, but I still like you ;-)))) Peter, Oz > Hi Peter, try 500:1 and the squeal will stop! > Dave > > At 10:07 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote: >>I did run it at 50:1 but it got a squeal up ;-)) >> >>Peter >> >> >> >> > 35:1 ???? Come on mate, with modern oils you should be doing at least >> > 50,000:1 in those bloody Maytags!! 8-)) >> > >> > See ya, Arnie >> > >> > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Peter Lowe wrote: >> > >> >> Here is a handy conversion chart for mixing two stroke fuels. >> >> http://www.speed-sports.com/more/oil.html >> >> >> >> For Aussies, the gallons are Yankee gallons, but the litres work fine. >> >> >> >> A must for the keen maytag exhibitors ;-))) >> >> >> >> I run Kaye's 72 twin on 35:1 Castrol TT and have done so since 1999. >> >> Just >> >> a >> >> hint of smoke is good. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Mar 23 17:50:30 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <4604349A.7030603@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tommy >From the talk on the ATIS JD list, the auction was canceled by ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320093000869 Bidding had hit 104k. Steve --- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK folks, I know this isn't a tractor list but I'm curious if anyone > else was following the 330 JD that was on ebay. It was SN330001 and was > > supposedly the first 330 JD made. I checked this morning and bidding > was at $93,000 and change but this afternoon I went to check on it and > can't find it. Did anyone else see it? Not sure what happened. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 23 18:21:01 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:21:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> Steve, Had it ever hit the reserve? At $93K it hadn't. What is the talk as to why Ebay pulled the listing? Its back and looks exactly the same to me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Tommy > >>From the talk on the ATIS JD list, the auction was canceled by ebay. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320093000869 > >Bidding had hit 104k. > >Steve > >--- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>OK folks, I know this isn't a tractor list but I'm curious if anyone >>else was following the 330 JD that was on ebay. It was SN330001 and was >> >>supposedly the first 330 JD made. I checked this morning and bidding >>was at $93,000 and change but this afternoon I went to check on it and >>can't find it. Did anyone else see it? Not sure what happened. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 21 23:58:23 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:58:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fred Prichard References: <000a01c76bf9$78f80f60$61a1693a@fred> <4602188B.3080503@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000c01c76c4f$7c951630$61a1693a@fred> Hi Tommy, I got his email add.. Thanks. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fred Prichard > Brian, > Fred now lives in Tennessee. I can get his contact info for you if > someone hasn't already gotten it to you. Let me know. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>Hi, >>Can anyone help me with the email address for Fred Prichard ,lives in New >>Hampshire USA. >>Brian and David Watts >>Melbourne >>Australia >>(03) 97266147 >>http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat >>briwatt at optusnet.com.au >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release Date: > 21/03/2007 7:52 AM > > From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Mar 23 20:12:59 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:12:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> I don't believe ebay pulled it, I think the seller ended it. If Ebay pulled it the old listing would not be available to see. Mark At 08:21 PM 3/23/07, you wrote: >Steve, > Had it ever hit the reserve? At $93K it hadn't. What is the talk >as to why Ebay pulled the listing? Its back and looks exactly the same >to me. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Tommy > > > >>From the talk on the ATIS JD list, the auction was canceled by ebay. > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320093000869 > > > >Bidding had hit 104k. > > > >Steve > > > >--- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > > > > > >>OK folks, I know this isn't a tractor list but I'm curious if anyone > >>else was following the 330 JD that was on ebay. It was SN330001 and was > >> > >>supposedly the first 330 JD made. I checked this morning and bidding > >>was at $93,000 and change but this afternoon I went to check on it and > >>can't find it. Did anyone else see it? Not sure what happened. > >> > >>Tommy Turner > >>Magnolia, KY > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Mar 23 19:25:16 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:25:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <00b801c76dbb$aa2dd1f0$e869c240@OFFICELEW> It's been relisted; probably a bidding error or something. New item number is 320096405850 Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay I don't believe ebay pulled it, I think the seller ended it. If Ebay pulled it the old listing would not be available to see. Mark At 08:21 PM 3/23/07, you wrote: >Steve, > Had it ever hit the reserve? At $93K it hadn't. What is the talk >as to why Ebay pulled the listing? Its back and looks exactly the same >to me. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Tommy > > > >>From the talk on the ATIS JD list, the auction was canceled by ebay. > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320093000869 > > > >Bidding had hit 104k. > > > >Steve > > > >--- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > > > > > >>OK folks, I know this isn't a tractor list but I'm curious if anyone > >>else was following the 330 JD that was on ebay. It was SN330001 and was > >> > >>supposedly the first 330 JD made. I checked this morning and bidding > >>was at $93,000 and change but this afternoon I went to check on it and > >>can't find it. Did anyone else see it? Not sure what happened. > >> > >>Tommy Turner > >>Magnolia, KY > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/730 - Release Date: 3/22/2007 7:44 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/730 - Release Date: 3/22/2007 7:44 AM From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 23 19:43:01 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:43:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> I contacted the seller and he said it was pulled by ebay as they suspicioned it was a bogus listing since bidding had topped $100K. Ebay put it back up exactly as it was originally except it was begun at the minimum bid again. Looks like they would have put it back where it was taken off (at the $104K mark). ???? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I don't believe ebay pulled it, I think the seller ended it. If Ebay pulled >it the old listing would not be available to see. > Mark > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Mar 23 21:23:35 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:23:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> <46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com> Ok, The seller has the terminology incorrect. Ebay didn't pull the listing they cancelled all bids and ended the sale to start a new sale. From what I've seen If ebay "pulls" a listing its not viewable, its gone. Its eliminated from the files alltogether, or so they say!? I sure hope ebay had solid proof it was a bogus bid as I'd be pissed if they pulled it. Knowing these JD FATGs you never know what they might pay for the Number 1 Tractor of a popular model. But 100K does seem a bit suspicious. But who knows. Less then three hours into the new sale and its already at $8849. If it is whats truely said I wouldn't be any bit surprised at $75K TTYL, Mark At 09:43 PM 3/23/07, you wrote: >I contacted the seller and he said it was pulled by ebay as they >suspicioned it was a bogus listing since bidding had topped $100K. Ebay >put it back up exactly as it was originally except it was begun at the >minimum bid again. Looks like they would have put it back where it was >taken off (at the $104K mark). ???? > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >I don't believe ebay pulled it, I think the seller ended it. If Ebay pulled > >it the old listing would not be available to see. > > Mark > > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 Verizon Cell #419.516.2996 Mark #330.475.4450 Christine From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 24 00:04:59 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:04:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> Anyone got a link to the auction?? Peter, Oz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Mar 24 00:15:25 2007 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:15:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <20070324071509.NWTW8812.oaamta08ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320096405850 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Anyone got a link to the auction?? Peter, Oz From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Mar 24 01:23:20 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:23:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> <46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com> <001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Pedter, Try: 320096405850 Dave At 02:04 AM 3/24/2007, you wrote: >Anyone got a link to the auction?? > >Peter, Oz From shop at cccomm.net Sat Mar 24 07:34:51 2007 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:34:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Attention Sir Dave; This item on ebay needs your immediate attention!!!!!! 140098806337 Dave in Nevada From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 24 08:57:05 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:57:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel In-Reply-To: <002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net> <002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: Damn! Put an axe in THAT and it would REALLY hurt!! 8-)) On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, Dave Ernst wrote: > Attention Sir Dave; > This item on ebay needs your immediate attention!!!!!! > 140098806337 From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 24 15:26:23 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:26:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dave Rotigel References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech><6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net><002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> Finally someone has some sense, the ultimate engine accessory, a must have in your next Christmas stocking ;-)) Pete, Oz > Damn! Put an axe in THAT and it would REALLY hurt!! 8-)) > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, Dave Ernst wrote: > >> Attention Sir Dave; >> This item on ebay needs your immediate attention!!!!!! >> 140098806337 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Mar 24 17:56:24 2007 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:56:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay Message-ID: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> OK folks, the 330 JD on ebay just hit $100,000. Still hasn't met the reserve........ It will be interesting to see where this thing ends up. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 24 18:02:43 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:02:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> I hate this idea of hiding the bidders ID, I used to like contacting other bidders and ask questions about what they collect etc. We now also cannot see who is pushing who, does Ebay still keep a track of sellers bumping their own bids.?? Peter, Oz > OK folks, the 330 JD on ebay just hit $100,000. Still hasn't met the > reserve........ It will be interesting to see where this thing ends up. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sat Mar 24 18:09:21 2007 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:09:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay In-Reply-To: <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <005601c76e7a$39687140$e869c240@OFFICELEW> Hey Peter I've noticed over the last few weeks most EBay auctions in the several hundred dollar (or more) range are set up this way. Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- I hate this idea of hiding the bidders ID, I used to like contacting other bidders and ask questions about what they collect etc. We now also cannot see who is pushing who, does Ebay still keep a track of sellers bumping their own bids.?? Peter, Oz -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: 3/23/2007 3:27 PM From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Mar 24 19:13:48 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:13:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay In-Reply-To: <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070324211100.02ee1030@pop3.wcoil.com> Knowing Ebay and their thirst for money I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't care if folks are bidding their own stuff up, they make more money on the final value fees. Mark, Ohio At 08:02 PM 3/24/07, you wrote: >I hate this idea of hiding the bidders ID, I used to like contacting other >bidders and ask questions about what they collect etc. >We now also cannot see who is pushing who, does Ebay still keep a track of >sellers bumping their own bids.?? > >Peter, Oz Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 24 18:32:17 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:32:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com><000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.2.1.2.1.20070324211100.02ee1030@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <001701c76e7d$6ca2e290$0601a8c0@altech> Here they have changed the "For Sale" page so you can't type in key search words anymore. The old way of selling is still hidden if you know where it is, but they are closing it down. The only ones that get rich are not the sellers!! Peter, Oz > Knowing Ebay and their thirst for money I wouldn't be suprised if they > didn't care if folks are bidding their own stuff up, they make more money > on the final value fees. Mark, Ohio > > > At 08:02 PM 3/24/07, you wrote: >>I hate this idea of hiding the bidders ID, I used to like contacting other >>bidders and ask questions about what they collect etc. >>We now also cannot see who is pushing who, does Ebay still keep a track of >>sellers bumping their own bids.?? >> >>Peter, Oz > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell > Phone > you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if > possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 01:51:07 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:51:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay In-Reply-To: <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6f6025160703250151m4a7ce440ybea1336746817147@mail.gmail.com> On 25/03/07, Peter Lowe wrote: > I hate this idea of hiding the bidders ID, I used to like contacting other > bidders and ask questions about what they collect etc. > We now also cannot see who is pushing who, does Ebay still keep a track of > sellers bumping their own bids.?? > > Peter, Oz > It is now standard on auctions over ?100 in the UK and equivalent amounts in other regions. Ebay say that it is to prevent people contacting bidders with false/scam items, but like you, I much prefer to see who is in the bidding etc. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 01:52:53 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:52:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay In-Reply-To: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160703250152h5939c9b0o3595523bd33ef7c0@mail.gmail.com> On 25/03/07, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > OK folks, the 330 JD on ebay just hit $100,000. Still hasn't met the > reserve........ It will be interesting to see where this thing ends up. > > Tommy Turner There are certainly some deep pockets out there.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Mar 25 03:02:27 2007 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:02:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> <46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com> <001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070325200055.01e517e0@ncable.com.au> Shit I've lost my number punches, Im sure my tractor can be made number two!,, ........... where's the green paint! At 06:23 PM 24/03/2007, you wrote: >Hi Pedter, Try: 320096405850 > Dave > >At 02:04 AM 3/24/2007, you wrote: > >Anyone got a link to the auction?? > > > >Peter, Oz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Mar 25 06:49:28 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:49:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] JD Tractor on Ebay In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070325200055.01e517e0@ncable.com.au> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com> <46049035.1080402@scrtc.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com> <001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech> <6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070325200055.01e517e0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070325084801.02ee7680@pop3.wcoil.com> Ahh coming in #2 is like loosing a game mate, Might as well just sell it to me for scrap, thats all a #2s worth, GRINNNN Mark, Ohio At 05:02 AM 3/25/07, you wrote: >Shit I've lost my number punches, Im sure my tractor can be made >number two!,, ........... where's the green paint! > > >At 06:23 PM 24/03/2007, you wrote: > >Hi Pedter, Try: 320096405850 > > Dave > > Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Mar 25 06:51:56 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:51:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 330 JD on Ebay In-Reply-To: <6f6025160703250151m4a7ce440ybea1336746817147@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> <6f6025160703250151m4a7ce440ybea1336746817147@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070325085024.02eeae50@pop3.wcoil.com> Now that you mention it the number of scam emails do seem to have been going down lately. Time will tell. Mark, Ohio >Ebay say that it is to prevent people contacting bidders with >false/scam items, but like you, I much prefer to see who is in the >bidding etc. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 25 06:40:24 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:40:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX Message-ID: <001001c76ee3$24498ce0$336d4b47@mikecomp> The real money was in Texas this weekend with over 400 bidders and lots of treasures. The big winner was the 12 horse horizontal hopper cooled Reeves on the original cart, hammered down at $22,000. Some of the other figures were: New Way 1hp $2000 Famous 4hp 3000 Monitor 1hp 3000 Famous 6hp 7100 Air Cooled Engine Co 3600 Olds 3hp 3200 R & V 6hp 900 Barber 3100 Reeves 2hp 3300 Ball Top Monitor, 4hp 4500 " " " 7hp 5000 " " " 2hp 3000 Mogul 2.5hp 4250 Foos Jr, tank cooled, 2hp 3200 New Holland 5hp 6000 Hercules 9hp on original truck 4800 Fluted Hopper Aeromotor, 2.5hp, 8800 (Have Mercy!) It was a good auction and well run, pics to follow. Mike Royster From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 25 08:32:34 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:32:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX In-Reply-To: <001001c76ee3$24498ce0$336d4b47@mikecomp> References: <001001c76ee3$24498ce0$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: Hiya Mike, And which ones can we look forward to seeing in your display at Portland? It sure would be interesting to see you showing the 12 hp and the 2 hp Reeves in the same display. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Its easy to see which Cloistered Oyster is in the oil bidness... 8-)) On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Mike Royster wrote: > The real money was in Texas this weekend with over 400 bidders and lots > of treasures. The big winner was the 12 horse horizontal hopper cooled > Reeves on the original cart, hammered down at $22,000. Some of the > other figures were: > > New Way 1hp $2000 > Famous 4hp 3000 > Monitor 1hp 3000 > Famous 6hp 7100 > Air Cooled Engine Co 3600 > Olds 3hp 3200 > R & V 6hp 900 > Barber 3100 > Reeves 2hp 3300 > Ball Top Monitor, 4hp 4500 > " " " 7hp 5000 > " " " 2hp 3000 > Mogul 2.5hp 4250 > Foos Jr, tank cooled, 2hp 3200 > New Holland 5hp 6000 > Hercules 9hp on original truck 4800 > Fluted Hopper Aeromotor, 2.5hp, 8800 (Have Mercy!) > > It was a good auction and well run, pics to follow. From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 25 08:07:30 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:07:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX References: <001001c76ee3$24498ce0$336d4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <000f01c76eef$4f3522f0$336d4b47@mikecomp> Oh you know me, I took a vow of engine poverty until you restore that Fero compressor I found for you some 6-10 years ago! How's that project going, are you still getting you mind "wrapped around it" first? I meant to get the big Reeves but I only had $21,999 on me . Dang I wish I hadn't bought that "happy meal" the night before! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX > Hiya Mike, > > And which ones can we look forward to seeing in your display at Portland? > It sure would be interesting to see you showing the 12 hp and the 2 hp > Reeves in the same display. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Its easy to see which Cloistered Oyster is in the oil bidness... > 8-)) > > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Mike Royster wrote: > >> The real money was in Texas this weekend with over 400 bidders and lots >> of treasures. The big winner was the 12 horse horizontal hopper cooled >> Reeves on the original cart, hammered down at $22,000. Some of the >> other figures were: >> >> New Way 1hp $2000 >> Famous 4hp 3000 >> Monitor 1hp 3000 >> Famous 6hp 7100 >> Air Cooled Engine Co 3600 >> Olds 3hp 3200 >> R & V 6hp 900 >> Barber 3100 >> Reeves 2hp 3300 >> Ball Top Monitor, 4hp 4500 >> " " " 7hp 5000 >> " " " 2hp 3000 >> Mogul 2.5hp 4250 >> Foos Jr, tank cooled, 2hp 3200 >> New Holland 5hp 6000 >> Hercules 9hp on original truck 4800 >> Fluted Hopper Aeromotor, 2.5hp, 8800 (Have Mercy!) >> >> It was a good auction and well run, pics to follow. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 10:36:45 2007 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:36:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie, Mike can't share with you yet which ones he brought home as he hasn't presented me my birthday engine yet! I'll be sure and bring whatever he gives me to Portland though! The poor Coistered Oyster, Steve >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX >Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:32:34 -0500 (EST) > >Hiya Mike, > >And which ones can we look forward to seeing in your display at Portland? >It sure would be interesting to see you showing the 12 hp and the 2 hp >Reeves in the same display. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Its easy to see which Cloistered Oyster is in the oil bidness... >8-)) > >On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Mike Royster wrote: > > > The real money was in Texas this weekend with over 400 bidders and lots > > of treasures. The big winner was the 12 horse horizontal hopper cooled > > Reeves on the original cart, hammered down at $22,000. Some of the > > other figures were: > > > > New Way 1hp $2000 > > Famous 4hp 3000 > > Monitor 1hp 3000 > > Famous 6hp 7100 > > Air Cooled Engine Co 3600 > > Olds 3hp 3200 > > R & V 6hp 900 > > Barber 3100 > > Reeves 2hp 3300 > > Ball Top Monitor, 4hp 4500 > > " " " 7hp 5000 > > " " " 2hp 3000 > > Mogul 2.5hp 4250 > > Foos Jr, tank cooled, 2hp 3200 > > New Holland 5hp 6000 > > Hercules 9hp on original truck 4800 > > Fluted Hopper Aeromotor, 2.5hp, 8800 (Have Mercy!) > > > > It was a good auction and well run, pics to follow. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ 5.5%* 30 year fixed mortgage rate. Good credit refinance. Up to 5 free quotes - *Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5d&s=4056&p=5117&disc=y&vers=910 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 25 11:53:16 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:53:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, It must be SOOOO nice to have such a sweet, generous, thoughtful, RICH brother. Bless his heart! See ya, Arnie On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Steve Royster wrote: > Arnie, Mike can't share with you yet which ones he brought home as he > hasn't presented me my birthday engine yet! I'll be sure and bring whatever > he gives me to Portland though! The poor Coistered Oyster, Steve > > >From: Arnie Fero > > > >And which ones can we look forward to seeing in your display at Portland? > >It sure would be interesting to see you showing the 12 hp and the 2 hp > >Reeves in the same display. 8-)) From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 25 11:22:35 2007 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:22:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX References: Message-ID: <000601c76f0a$8fc35dd0$336d4b47@mikecomp> It's like having a twin!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Keane Auction, Haltom City TX > Steve, > > It must be SOOOO nice to have such a sweet, generous, thoughtful, RICH > brother. Bless his heart! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Steve Royster wrote: > >> Arnie, Mike can't share with you yet which ones he brought home as he >> hasn't presented me my birthday engine yet! I'll be sure and bring >> whatever >> he gives me to Portland though! The poor Coistered Oyster, Steve >> >> >From: Arnie Fero >> > >> >And which ones can we look forward to seeing in your display at >> >Portland? >> >It sure would be interesting to see you showing the 12 hp and the 2 hp >> >Reeves in the same display. 8-)) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 26 05:22:36 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:22:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Indian "Lister" Engines Message-ID: <001101c76fa1$73be5620$e5c30b52@no1> The following site was quoted on the English list. http://www.stationaryengineparts.com/ On the first page is a little video showing how good the engine balance is nowadays. Looks very steady to me! PS I haven't dealt with the firm so this isn't a recomendation. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 26 12:09:21 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? In-Reply-To: <000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech><6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net><002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427> <000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <3441.165.206.180.53.1174936161.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Is it me or is this thing on? Nothing for since last night... Holler if you do not get this. Bill From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Mar 26 13:15:56 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:15:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? Message-ID: <20070326.121556.356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Bill. I didn't get it. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) bill at antique-engines.com writes: > Is it me or is this thing on? > Nothing for since last night... > > Holler if you do not get this. > > > Bill > From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Mar 26 17:32:43 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:32:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech><6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net><002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> <3441.165.206.180.53.1174936161.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <000d01c77007$701d5140$6500a8c0@home> Me didn't get it too Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? > Is it me or is this thing on? > Nothing for since last night... > > Holler if you do not get this. > > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Mar 26 17:34:25 2007 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:34:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? References: <20070326.121556.356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001201c77007$ac4259e0$6500a8c0@home> I think everyone's out trying to scrape up enough money to buy a 330 JD ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? > Hi Bill. > I didn't get it. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) bill at antique-engines.com writes: >> Is it me or is this thing on? >> Nothing for since last night... >> >> Holler if you do not get this. >> >> >> Bill >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From John.Eaton at ns.sympatico.ca Mon Mar 26 17:49:53 2007 From: John.Eaton at ns.sympatico.ca (JOHN EATON) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:49:53 -0300 Subject: [SEL] My "FAULTLESS" frustration Message-ID: I have a George B Miller Faultless 2 hp hit and miss engine. I believe they made a lot of these but I am having trouble finding parts. I am looking for an ignitor and pick finger for my engine which may also have been a Neward or John M. Smyth or Joliet or Revonoc or possibly one of several others. The details and dimensions of the Miller engine oval shape ignitor body follow; ignitor studs are 3/8? diameter on 2 ?? centers on the 2HP. Point housing insert tapers from 1 5/8? to 1 ?? diameter, Any information or help would be appreciated From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 17:55:55 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:55:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design Message-ID: <01b201c7700a$ae4e0100$240110ac@FAMILY> I am now getting ready to start the construction of my cart for my 5 HP 1905 Vertical Stover and I will be using 4" X 6" Oak Beams for the construction. I have been trying to figure out how best to build the 5th wheel (front bolster) so that the front axle will pivot up and down as well as side from side. I have come up with this rough design and drawing. This is a very rough drawing but please tell me what your thoughts are. I want and solicit your comments before I go and ruin a lot of oak. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartDesign.jpg Paul From john.eaton at ns.sympatico.ca Mon Mar 26 18:14:11 2007 From: john.eaton at ns.sympatico.ca (JOHN EATON) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:14:11 -0300 Subject: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design In-Reply-To: <01b201c7700a$ae4e0100$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <01b201c7700a$ae4e0100$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: I haven't built any carts but I have fixed up a couple of orchard sprayers and this drawing seems to be fine although my sprayer wagons did not have the pivot pin. They just flex. Looks good to me On 26-Mar-07, at 9:55 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > I am now getting ready to start the construction of my cart for my > 5 HP 1905 Vertical Stover and I will be using 4" X 6" Oak Beams for > the construction. I have been trying to figure out how best to > build the 5th wheel (front bolster) so that the front axle will > pivot up and down as well as side from side. I have come up with > this rough design and drawing. This is a very rough drawing but > please tell me what your thoughts are. I want and solicit your > comments before I go and ruin a lot of oak. > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartDesign.jpg > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 18:23:48 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:23:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design References: <01b201c7700a$ae4e0100$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <01eb01c7700e$931e2d70$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks John for the comment. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN EATON" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design >I haven't built any carts but I have fixed up a couple of orchard > sprayers and this drawing seems to be fine although my sprayer wagons > did not have the pivot pin. They just flex. Looks good to me > On 26-Mar-07, at 9:55 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> I am now getting ready to start the construction of my cart for my >> 5 HP 1905 Vertical Stover and I will be using 4" X 6" Oak Beams for >> the construction. I have been trying to figure out how best to >> build the 5th wheel (front bolster) so that the front axle will >> pivot up and down as well as side from side. I have come up with >> this rough design and drawing. This is a very rough drawing but >> From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 26 18:25:56 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:25:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? Message-ID: <20070326.202601.620.0.jlb94@juno.com> I don't get it ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " When happiness shows up give it a comfortable seat". (_o_) From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Mar 26 18:30:39 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:30:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? In-Reply-To: <20070326.202601.620.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000301c7700f$8997b630$8500a8c0@sheeba> Wow, I guess nobody's email is working today. Bummer! Thanks, guess everyone was just busy doing fun stuff. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Joseph L Betz [mailto:jlb94 at juno.com] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:26 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? I don't get it ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " When happiness shows up give it a comfortable seat". (_o_) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bdb at mchsi.com Mon Mar 26 18:54:07 2007 From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:54:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech><6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net><002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> <3441.165.206.180.53.1174936161.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002d01c77012$ce5e0960$5cd5d20c@VALUED20606295> Bill, I got it but it was in Chinese ! Barry D Buchanan 410 S. Moore Ottumwa, IA. 52501 When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? > Is it me or is this thing on? > Nothing for since last night... > > Holler if you do not get this. > > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 26 19:37:04 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:37:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Message-ID: <00cc01c77018$cf64e350$61a1693a@fred> Can anyone help me locate a collector who has a genuine 4Hp Single Flywheel Blackstone. Brian and David Watts Melbourne Australia (03) 97266147 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat briwatt at optusnet.com.au From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 20:17:44 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:17:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel Message-ID: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he done a pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of the wheels has a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood and hit it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so probably it might be best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to crack it. Here is some pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg Paul From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Mar 26 20:23:51 2007 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:23:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Message-ID: <410-2200732273235115@earthlink.net> I have a friend that has one but I am not sure of the hp, the flywheel is about 4' in dia. or a bit bigger. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Brian Watts > To: > Date: 3/27/2007 5:37:13 PM > Subject: [SEL] Blackstone > > Can anyone help me locate a collector who has a genuine 4Hp Single Flywheel Blackstone. > Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03) 97266147 > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 3/26/2007 2:31 PM From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Mar 26 20:27:09 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (garyepps at fidnet.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:27:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Paul, That's not bent very bad. If it was mine I would just put a block of wood under it and tap it back in place with a hammer. If you put a block of wood between the hammer and the spoke you won't leave any hammer marks on the spoke. Gary "Paul Maples" wrote: > I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he done a > pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of the wheels has > a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. > > What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood and hit > it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so probably it might be > best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to crack it. Here is some > pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Mar 26 20:27:43 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:27:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design In-Reply-To: <01b201c7700a$ae4e0100$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <200703270328.l2R3Rsvj082894@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design I am now getting ready to start the construction of my cart for my 5 HP 1905 Vertical Stover and I will be using 4" X 6" Oak Beams for the construction. I have been trying to figure out how best to build the 5th wheel (front bolster) so that the front axle will pivot up and down as well as side from side. I have come up with this rough design and drawing. This is a very rough drawing but please tell me what your thoughts are. I want and solicit your comments before I go and ruin a lot of oak. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartDesign.jpg Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~ It looks as if it should work, Paul. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 20:34:35 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:34:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <029401c77020$d7a6dd90$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Gary, I am not sure how much pressure it would take to knock it back in line and I sure do not want to crack it if it is fragile from years of stress. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > Paul, > > That's not bent very bad. If it was mine I would just put a block of wood > under it and tap it back in place with a hammer. If you put a block of > wood > between the hammer and the spoke you won't leave any hammer marks on the > spoke. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 20:36:29 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:36:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design References: <200703270328.l2R3Rsvj082894@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <029901c77021$1bed59c0$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Orrin, I never have built a cart and I know that a lot of you folks have so you folks are in a better position than I to know if the selected metal thicknesses are sufficient. I appreciate the response. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Feedback on Cart Bolster Design > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > It looks as if it should work, Paul. > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Mar 26 20:39:29 2007 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:39:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <200703270339.l2R3dem2094951@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he done a pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of the wheels has a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood and hit it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so probably it might be best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to crack it. Here is some pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul, any number of methods are likely to get the job done. It's not as if there's only one right way to do it. I've straightened spokes bent like yours and have done it cold. I just placed a heavy hunk of iron (think anvil or bucking bar) behind the spoke with the bend pointing away from it. Then, give the bend a good whack with a heavy hammer, one on the order of two pounds. The bucking bar will keep the hammer from putting a reverse bend in the spoke. After you've straightened it out, you may want to abrasive blast the hammer marks. They'll have a slightly different surface texture that may be obvious after it's all painted. I would not try heating the bend. If you do, the hammer blow might flatten the spoke. If it refuses to straighten cold and you *must* heat it, use a block of wood between the hammer and the spoke. Good luck. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 26 20:45:21 2007 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:45:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] YA STOVER Message-ID: <002501c77022$5929d060$7a526c3a@Edd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el3X5YOhvCQ I have put the above link on UTube.It is of my YA Stover 2HP that I have just got. EDD PAYN PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 20:48:30 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:48:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <200703270339.l2R3dem2094951@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <02af01c77022$c98e3e90$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Orrin for the input, it is appreciated. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > > Paul, any number of methods are likely to get the job done. It's not as > if > there's only one right way to do it. > > I've straightened spokes bent like yours and have done it cold. I just > placed a heavy hunk of iron (think anvil or bucking bar) behind the spoke > with the bend pointing away from it. Then, give the bend a good whack > with > a heavy hammer, one on the order of two pounds. The bucking bar will keep > the hammer from putting a reverse bend in the spoke. > > After you've straightened it out, you may want to abrasive blast the > hammer > marks. They'll have a slightly different surface texture that may be > obvious after it's all painted. > > I would not try heating the bend. If you do, the hammer blow might > flatten > the spoke. If it refuses to straighten cold and you *must* heat it, use a > block of wood between the hammer and the spoke. > > Good luck. > > Orrin > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 21:52:23 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:52:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] YA STOVER References: <002501c77022$5929d060$7a526c3a@Edd> Message-ID: <02c801c7702b$b6254930$240110ac@FAMILY> Love it Edd!!, Great engine and a nice video. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: [SEL] YA STOVER > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el3X5YOhvCQ > I have put the above link on UTube.It is of my YA Stover 2HP that I have > just got. > > EDD PAYN > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 27 04:23:12 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? In-Reply-To: <002d01c77012$ce5e0960$5cd5d20c@VALUED20606295> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech><6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net><002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> <3441.165.206.180.53.1174936161.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <002d01c77012$ce5e0960$5cd5d20c@VALUED20606295> Message-ID: <2806.165.206.180.53.1174994592.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Ah, so it made it around the world! Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1982 Eagle SX/4 coming soon http://theamcpages.com > Bill, I got it but it was in Chinese ! > > Barry D Buchanan > 410 S. Moore > Ottumwa, IA. 52501 > > When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look > like a nail. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:09 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? > > >> Is it me or is this thing on? >> Nothing for since last night... >> >> Holler if you do not get this. >> >> >> Bill From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 27 04:46:27 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:46:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <46090413.8070609@imc-group.com> Paul, You are over worrying this task. Grab a BFH and give it a good rap and it will straighten right out. If I have one real bad I'll lay the spoke across a good sized anvil. You can then rock along the spoke as you hammer on it. The hammer dings add character! Actually they will hardly be noticeable but it you are worried about this use a brass or babbitt hammer. Guess you are planning on painting these. I've been spraying 2 art paint direct on blasted wheels, eliminating the primer step. Have had no rust problems with this method. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Paul Maples wrote: > I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he done a pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of the wheels has a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. > > What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood and hit it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so probably it might be best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to crack it. Here is some pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 27 04:59:30 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <46090413.8070609@imc-group.com> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46090413.8070609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <3296.165.206.180.53.1174996770.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I bet it takes less to straighten it than you would imagine. It should not be brittle, and you have not got that far to bend it. The ideas presented are ones I've used a number of time, plus: Get some aluminum to act at a "pad" and place it around the spoke. Put a pipe wrench over the spoke and push sideways on the wrench - it's possible you can simply bend it back this way. I've done as much straightening with pipe wrenches as I have taken pipes loose. It's one reason I have the long heavy wrenches I do....... I'm not a plumber. The aluminum will protect the spoke from the serrated jaws of the wrench. You are using it as a lever to "push" down on the bend. This method CAN lead to a bend in the wrong place if not done carefully or the wrench is placed in the wrong spot. But the hammer method is more accurate and directed. That's where I'd start in this case. I'd back it up with a small chunk of rail (train track type rail) I keep on hand for such occasions. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1981 Eagle SX/4 coming soon http://theamcpages.com > Paul, > You are over worrying this task. Grab a BFH and give it a good rap and > it will straighten right out. If I have one real bad I'll lay the spoke > across a good sized anvil. You can then rock along the spoke as you > hammer on it. The hammer dings add character! Actually they will hardly > be noticeable but it you are worried about this use a brass or babbitt > hammer. Guess you are planning on painting these. I've been spraying 2 > art paint direct on blasted wheels, eliminating the primer step. Have > had no rust problems with this method. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Paul Maples wrote: >> I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he >> done a pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of >> the wheels has a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. >> >> What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood >> and hit it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so >> probably it might be best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to >> crack it. Here is some pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg >> >> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg >> >> Paul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Mar 27 05:30:30 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (garyepps at fidnet.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:30:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <029401c77020$d7a6dd90$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <029401c77020$d7a6dd90$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: Like others have said, just use the hammer and you should be alright. If you think the metal has crystalized so much that it is brittle enough to break, you'd better not put a valued engine on the cart. Just send it on up to Theodosia and I'll store it in an out of the way place for you. By the way you might want to paint it a dark green before you send it up here. Gary "Paul Maples" wrote: > Thanks Gary, I am not sure how much pressure it would take to knock it back > in line and I sure do not want to crack it if it is fragile from years of > stress. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > > > Paul, > > > > That's not bent very bad. If it was mine I would just put a block of wood > > under it and tap it back in place with a hammer. If you put a block of > > wood > > between the hammer and the spoke you won't leave any hammer marks on the > > spoke. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com From john.eaton at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Mar 27 06:24:58 2007 From: john.eaton at ns.sympatico.ca (JOHN EATON) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:24:58 -0300 Subject: [SEL] OT - Can you help me Bill?--is this thing on? In-Reply-To: <2806.165.206.180.53.1174994592.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <446518.26612.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46047CFD.2080108@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323221141.02ede040@pop3.wcoil.com><46049035.1080402@scrtc.com><6.2.1.2.1.20070323230927.02ee7a10@pop3.wcoil.com><001a01c76de2$bc87c780$0601a8c0@altech><6.1.2.0.0.20070324032249.047f4af0@mail.alltel.net><002b01c76e21$d74073d0$6501a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427><000901c76e63$74be8890$0601a8c0@altech> <3441.165.206.180.53.1174936161.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <002d01c77012$ce5e0960$5cd5d20c@VALUED20606295> <2806.165.206.180.53.1174994592.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <168F3386-E134-441A-A8B8-AC7E5A1E25B2@ns.sympatico.ca> Hi Bill , I have this engine that was probably cast in Waterloo and I was wondering if you might know someone who knows something about the Faultless engine by George Miller of the Waterloo Engine Co that made Waterloo Engines that eventually became John Deere. Somebody must collect these pieces of antique machinery in your area. The factory claimed to make hundreds per day, seven days a week. Can you help me out? On 27-Mar-07, at 8:23 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Ah, so it made it around the world! > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History > http://antique-engines.com > 1970 Javelin > 1982 Eagle SX/4 coming soon > http://theamcpages.com > > >> Bill, I got it but it was in Chinese ! >> >> Barry D Buchanan >> 410 S. Moore >> Ottumwa, IA. 52501 >> >> When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look >> like a nail. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:09 PM >> Subject: [SEL] OT - is this thing on? >> >> >>> Is it me or is this thing on? >>> Nothing for since last night... >>> >>> Holler if you do not get this. >>> >>> >>> Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Mar 27 06:50:04 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <029401c77020$d7a6dd90$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <1384.165.206.180.53.1175003404.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Sly, Gary, very sly........... You have a scrap yard for such junk, eh? BTW - nice cart. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1981 Eagle SX/4 coming soon http://theamcpages.com > Like others have said, just use the hammer and you should be alright. If > you > think the metal has crystalized so much that it is brittle enough to > break, > you'd better not put a valued engine on the cart. Just send it on up to > Theodosia and I'll store it in an out of the way place for you. By the > way > you might want to paint it a dark green before you send it up here. > > Gary > > > "Paul Maples" wrote: > >> Thanks Gary, I am not sure how much pressure it would take to knock it >> back > >> in line and I sure do not want to crack it if it is fragile from years >> of >> stress. >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel >> >> >> > Paul, >> > >> > That's not bent very bad. If it was mine I would just put a block of > wood >> > under it and tap it back in place with a hammer. If you put a block >> of >> > wood >> > between the hammer and the spoke you won't leave any hammer marks on >> the >> > spoke. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Mar 27 07:13:33 2007 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:13:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Paul, What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that clamps on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. Jim Jim and Diane Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he done a pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of the wheels has a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood and hit it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so probably it might be best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to crack it. Here is some pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 27 08:05:14 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:05:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > Paul, > > What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that > clamps > on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent > place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. > > Jim Hi Jim, Having a wobbly wheel with a bent spoke, this thread is of particular interest to me. This morning I called the Acme company's sales department, and their Model J-12 spoke straightener is in stock. After explaining that I heard of their product from an internationally recognized group of stationary engine collectors, they suggested that we could get their "volume discount" for an order of ten or more units. Can I put you down for one? From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 27 09:18:10 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:18:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Rob, I think I've told you about my single axle trailer built on a mobile home axle and that its a rough riding sumbitch. Well, as a result of jouncing from show to show, most of my engine carts now exhibit bent-spoke wheels. Put me down for one of those Model J-12 Acme Spoke Straighteners. Be sure to include the pressure tables. Thanks!! See ya, Arnie On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > > What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that > > clamps on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent > > place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. > > Having a wobbly wheel with a bent spoke, this thread is of particular > interest to me. This morning I called the Acme company's sales > department, and their Model J-12 spoke straightener is in stock. > After explaining that I heard of their product from an > internationally recognized group of stationary engine collectors, > they suggested that we could get their "volume discount" for an order > of ten or more units. Can I put you down for one? From oldironnut at alltel.net Tue Mar 27 08:29:10 2007 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:29:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: >I think I've told you about my single axle trailer built on a mobile home >axle and that its a rough riding sumbitch. Well, as a result of jouncing >from show to show, most of my engine carts now exhibit bent-spoke wheels. > >Put me down for one of those Model J-12 Acme Spoke Straighteners. Be sure >to include the pressure tables. Thanks!! Rob, For Arnie, be sure to also get the optional J-12 Stroke 69-69-69-666 cart axle straightener. Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 27 08:31:19 2007 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:31:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY><008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <000d01c77084$f8bb58d0$e5c30b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: >> Paul, >> What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that >> clamps >> on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent >> place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. >> Jim > > Hi Jim, > Having a wobbly wheel with a bent spoke, this thread is of particular > interest to me. This morning I called the Acme company's sales > department, and their Model J-12 spoke straightener is in stock. > After explaining that I heard of their product from an > internationally recognized group of stationary engine collectors, > they suggested that we could get their "volume discount" for an order > of ten or more units. Can I put you down for one? Hi Rob, Are Acme devices safe to use? See http://www.rvc.cc.il.us/faclink/pruckman/humor/acme.htm This is a court case from a dis-satified user. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Mar 27 08:34:42 2007 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:34:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel Message-ID: <380-220073227153442468@coastalnet.com> Paul, All kidding aside, you can probably use a little ingenuity to make a straightener similar to one shown on this page: http://www.specialtymotorcams.com/pages/products.html Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Rob Skinner > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 3/27/2007 11:06:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > > On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > > > Paul, > > > > What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that > > clamps > > on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent > > place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. > > > > Jim > > > Hi Jim, > Having a wobbly wheel with a bent spoke, this thread is of particular > interest to me. This morning I called the Acme company's sales > department, and their Model J-12 spoke straightener is in stock. > After explaining that I heard of their product from an > internationally recognized group of stationary engine collectors, > they suggested that we could get their "volume discount" for an order > of ten or more units. Can I put you down for one? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 27 08:35:31 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:35:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Will one of these spoke straightening units work if the spoke is bent at the hub? If so, put me down for one. If the pressure tables cost extra I don't want one. Arnie can copy his and mail it to me! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========== >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:18:10 -0500 (EST) > >Rob, > >I think I've told you about my single axle trailer built on a mobile home >axle and that its a rough riding sumbitch. Well, as a result of jouncing >from show to show, most of my engine carts now exhibit bent-spoke wheels. > >Put me down for one of those Model J-12 Acme Spoke Straighteners. Be sure >to include the pressure tables. Thanks!! > >See ya, Arnie > >On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > > > What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that > > > clamps on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent > > > place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. > > > > Having a wobbly wheel with a bent spoke, this thread is of particular > > interest to me. This morning I called the Acme company's sales > > department, and their Model J-12 spoke straightener is in stock. > > After explaining that I heard of their product from an > > internationally recognized group of stationary engine collectors, > > they suggested that we could get their "volume discount" for an order > > of ten or more units. Can I put you down for one? _________________________________________________________________ 5.5%* 30 year fixed mortgage rate. Good credit refinance. Up to 5 free quotes - *Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5d&s=4056&p=5117&disc=y&vers=910 From glenn.karch at verizon.net Tue Mar 27 10:11:28 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:11:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <001c01c77092$f6ac4690$5efb123f@D8LJ7K91> To all, Dumb me. I've been smacking bent spokes with a plain Acme hammer until they look right. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > Paul, > > What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that clamps > on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent > place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane > Hemet, CA , U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:17 PM > Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > > I had my wheels for my cart sandblasted today by a friend of mine and he > done a pretty good job. I will do the finish blasting tomorrow. One of the > wheels has a bent spoke, not bad, but bent a little. > > What would be the best way to straighten it, just get a block of wood and > hit it or use some heat and then hit it. It was bent cold so probably it > might be best to straighten it cold, I just don't want to crack it. Here > is > some pictures of the wheel and the bent spoke: > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel2.jpg > > http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/CartWheel1.jpg > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Mar 27 11:05:28 2007 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:05:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <001c01c77092$f6ac4690$5efb123f@D8LJ7K91> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <001c01c77092$f6ac4690$5efb123f@D8LJ7K91> Message-ID: <46095CE8.5020108@imc-group.com> Glenn, That's because you only got the basic Acme mechanic'ing kit. If you'll upgrade to the Acme deluxe kit., the options will include the spoke straightener, spoke rounder, and spoke stretcher. You'll be the envy of Haubstadt! Curt Glenn Karch wrote: > To all, > > Dumb me. I've been smacking bent spokes with a plain Acme hammer until they > look right. > > Glenn Karch > Hercules Historian > Haubstadt, Indiana, USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Diane" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > > >> Paul, >> >> What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that clamps >> on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent >> place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. >> >> From oldengin at verizon.net Tue Mar 27 11:42:24 2007 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:42:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: Message-ID: <003601c7709f$a9f2a170$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> I have four wheels that are spoked, about 15 inch dia and will the straightener work on "S" type spokes? If so I am interested in one. PS I will not need the tables as I will take Arnies as he sleeps along the river bank in Findlay Leroy From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 27 12:16:36 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:16:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <46090413.8070609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005a01c770a4$712cd720$240110ac@FAMILY> Thanks Curt, as always I appreciate your responses and suggestions. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > Paul, > You are over worrying this task. Grab a BFH and give it a good rap and > it will straighten right out. If I have one real bad I'll lay the spoke > across a good sized anvil. You can then rock along the spoke as you > hammer on it. The hammer dings add character! Actually they will hardly > be noticeable but it you are worried about this use a brass or babbitt > hammer. Guess you are planning on painting these. I've been spraying 2 > art paint direct on blasted wheels, eliminating the primer step. Have > had no rust problems with this method. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 27 12:22:42 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:22:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY><008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <008201c770a5$4b64a3f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Rob how much are they? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > >> Paul, >> >> What you need is an Acme Spoke Straightener. This is a device that >> clamps >> on to both ends of the spoke and applies pressure to the bent >> place. Make sure you get the tables that specify the pressure. >> >> Jim > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Mar 27 14:03:26 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:03:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine cart Message-ID: <001001c770b3$5d711f20$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all There was someone out there in engine land making repro carts for small R&V engines, if this is still happening can you please contact me. I have a number of orders from register members. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 27 15:29:47 2007 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:29:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <008201c770a5$4b64a3f0$240110ac@FAMILY> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY><008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> <008201c770a5$4b64a3f0$240110ac@FAMILY> Message-ID: <2F5DE33C-2A84-4D7D-8638-3FC7AB12D757@rustyiron.com> On Mar 27, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Rob how much are they? > > Paul $6.66 apiece, or a dozen for $69.69 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Mar 27 16:40:24 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:40:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <2F5DE33C-2A84-4D7D-8638-3FC7AB12D757@rustyiron.com> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com> <008201c770a5$4b64a3f0$240110ac@FAMILY> <2F5DE33C-2A84-4D7D-8638-3FC7AB12D757@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070327183932.04cddc68@mail.alltel.net> >On Mar 27, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > > Rob how much are they? > > > > Paul > >$6.66 apiece, or a dozen for $69.69 The numbers look good Rob. Put me down for a dozen! Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 27 16:38:32 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:38:32 EDT Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/2007 6:33:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: $6.66 apiece, or a dozen for $69.69 As I like to own one of every tool especially unique ones, put me down for one too. Price does not matter! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 27 16:51:11 2007 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:51:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY><008301c7707a$1bf12ce0$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm><003F60A2-4532-46C4-BD18-ACC5E6AA0801@rustyiron.com><008201c770a5$4b64a3f0$240110ac@FAMILY> <2F5DE33C-2A84-4D7D-8638-3FC7AB12D757@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <011f01c770ca$ccc9f240$240110ac@FAMILY> Rob I will take one. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > > > > On Mar 27, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > >> Rob how much are they? >> >> Paul > > > $6.66 apiece, or a dozen for $69.69 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Mar 27 20:38:35 2007 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (garyepps at fidnet.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:38:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel In-Reply-To: <1384.165.206.180.53.1175003404.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <025101c7701e$7d888fe0$240110ac@FAMILY> <029401c77020$d7a6dd90$240110ac@FAMILY> <1384.165.206.180.53.1175003404.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Bill, I can find a place to store it if it will help a brother collector. I can even camouflage under one of my engines... Gary bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Sly, Gary, very sly........... > You have a scrap yard for such junk, eh? > > BTW - nice cart. > > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History > http://antique-engines.com > 1970 Javelin > 1981 Eagle SX/4 coming soon > http://theamcpages.com > > > > Like others have said, just use the hammer and you should be alright. If > > you > > think the metal has crystalized so much that it is brittle enough to > > break, > > you'd better not put a valued engine on the cart. Just send it on up to > > Theodosia and I'll store it in an out of the way place for you. By the > > way > > you might want to paint it a dark green before you send it up here. > > > > Gary > > > > > > "Paul Maples" wrote: > > > >> Thanks Gary, I am not sure how much pressure it would take to knock it > >> back > > > >> in line and I sure do not want to crack it if it is fragile from years > >> of > >> stress. > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:27 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] How to Straighten Spoke in Cart Wheel > >> > >> > >> > Paul, > >> > > >> > That's not bent very bad. If it was mine I would just put a block of > > wood > >> > under it and tap it back in place with a hammer. If you put a block > >> of > >> > wood > >> > between the hammer and the spoke you won't leave any hammer marks on > >> the > >> > spoke. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 26 22:37:14 2007 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:37:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone References: <00cc01c77018$cf64e350$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <003301c77031$fa6797f0$61a1693a@fred> I should have also said about a 1906 Model, I dont know if any single Flywheel engs. were made in this size,can you help? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Blackstone > Can anyone help me locate a collector who has a genuine 4Hp Single > Flywheel Blackstone. > Brian and David Watts > Melbourne > Australia > (03) 97266147 > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: > 26/03/2007 2:31 PM > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 12:48:12 2007 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:48:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org Members and other Updates, 27th March Message-ID: <6f6025160703281248t43772231v7114a386dc4f3fd1@mail.gmail.com> There have been 5 updates to the Oldengine.org member's list this year, and also a few in the 'Commercial' and 'Other Items of Interest' sections. As there haven't been any on-list notices for these, I thought that one reminder in the year to date wouldn't go amiss. As there is usually some maintenance activity going on most weeks, please let me or Jim Dunmyer know if you need any changes to your own listing on Oldengine.org. Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Mar 28 15:12:45 2007 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:12:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone References: <00cc01c77018$cf64e350$61a1693a@fred> <003301c77031$fa6797f0$61a1693a@fred> Message-ID: <000701c77186$3a2ef220$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Brian.........I do know of such an engine over here in the West. I will try my best to find out if it is still around.It was exhibited at the National Rally in Busselton in 1996 . The then owner is now deceased,has been for a few years.I don't know what has happened to the engine .Maybe the family still have it .Unfortunately the ''Net '' is unknown to them .I will chase it up in a round about way.Hopefully it may be the type you are asking about. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blackstone >I should have also said about a 1906 Model, I dont know if any single > Flywheel engs. were made in this size,can you help? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Watts" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:37 PM > Subject: [SEL] Blackstone > > >> Can anyone help me locate a collector who has a genuine 4Hp Single >> Flywheel Blackstone. >> Brian and David Watts >> Melbourne >> Australia >> (03) 97266147 >> http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat >> briwatt at optusnet.com.au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: >> 26/03/2007 2:31 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Mar 28 20:55:44 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:55:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed Message-ID: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> Hi all I have an old style reciprocating power hacksaw that I am doing up for my workshop and the drive pulley is missing from the motor. What speed should the blade travel on average (strokes per minute)?, then I can work out the pulley size. Is 60 strokes per minute too fast? That is going on the pullys I have here without actually seing it run. I have a bandsaw I want to sell as I hardly ever use either, but the bandsaw is worth more. I also have a cut-off saw. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm for bandsaw. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Mar 29 04:43:20 2007 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed In-Reply-To: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <3339.165.206.180.53.1175168600.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Wow, a fellow list member helped me figure this out a while back for a saw I have. I run it with a H&M engine and it is about right (wouldn't want it faster, but it does a great job) I don't have the messages handy, but he referenced one run from a lineshaft as I recall. http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/hacksaw-1.jpg Ran it by a Alamo 2hp engine and it cut rebar great for a demo. Bill Runnells, Iowa Chapman/OWE&PCo. Registry and History http://antique-engines.com 1970 Javelin 1982 Eagle SX/4 coming soon http://theamcpages.com > Hi all > I have an old style reciprocating power hacksaw that I am doing up for my > workshop and the drive pulley is missing from the motor. > What speed should the blade travel on average (strokes per minute)?, then > I > can work out the pulley size. Is 60 strokes per minute too fast? That is > going on the pullys I have here without actually seing it run. > > I have a bandsaw I want to sell as I hardly ever use either, but the > bandsaw > is worth more. I also have a cut-off saw. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm for bandsaw. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Mar 29 04:52:51 2007 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:52:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed In-Reply-To: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <021301c771f8$c7c3bb30$8335c53e@doc> Hi Peter The donkey saw in my shed runs at 60 - 90 strokes a minute from memory - driven by a 3-phase 1-horse motor. It has an 18" blade and I have chopped 4" dia. bar with it before now. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Peter Lowe > Sent: 29 March 2007 04:56 > To: Oldengine.org; ATIS > Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed > > Hi all > I have an old style reciprocating power hacksaw that I am > doing up for my > workshop and the drive pulley is missing from the motor. > What speed should the blade travel on average (strokes per > minute)?, then I > can work out the pulley size. Is 60 strokes per minute too > fast? That is > going on the pullys I have here without actually seing it run. > > I have a bandsaw I want to sell as I hardly ever use either, > but the bandsaw > is worth more. I also have a cut-off saw. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm for bandsaw. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 29 05:09:57 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:09:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed References: <021301c771f8$c7c3bb30$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <000001c771fb$5ef73de0$0601a8c0@altech> Thanks Peter and everyone else, question is answered as usual by a great group. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Hi Peter > > The donkey saw in my shed runs at 60 - 90 strokes a minute from memory - > driven by a 3-phase 1-horse motor. It has an 18" blade and I have chopped > 4" dia. bar with it before now. > > Regards > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> Peter Lowe >> Sent: 29 March 2007 04:56 >> To: Oldengine.org; ATIS >> Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed >> >> Hi all >> I have an old style reciprocating power hacksaw that I am >> doing up for my >> workshop and the drive pulley is missing from the motor. >> What speed should the blade travel on average (strokes per >> minute)?, then I >> can work out the pulley size. Is 60 strokes per minute too >> fast? That is >> going on the pullys I have here without actually seing it run. >> >> I have a bandsaw I want to sell as I hardly ever use either, >> but the bandsaw >> is worth more. I also have a cut-off saw. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm for bandsaw. >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> Ph: 61-266453455 >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: > 27/03/2007 4:38 PM > > From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 05:39:16 2007 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Novo Help In-Reply-To: <000701c77186$3a2ef220$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <177125.14845.qm@web59208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> TO: The lads on SEL, especially the Yanks From: Your man ( and fellow Yank ) in Japan, Bill Young One of my non-English speaking Japanese mates has asked me to help him find and purchase a Novo vertical engine, about 3.5 hp. His first question is "How much?" Answer, " I don't know." I have been watching GAS ENGINE MAGAZINE but have seen nothing advertised. So, does anyone know of a recent sale? Or better yet, one for sale? Curt, Arnie, Dave, Rob? In order to avoid clogging up the net, I suggest you use my home email address. Thanks, Bill wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 29 06:49:58 2007 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:49:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Novo Help In-Reply-To: <177125.14845.qm@web59208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <177125.14845.qm@web59208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, There's a 6hp Novo "S" on Harry's for $1250. I know the seller; he's a reliable bloke. 8-)) http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/1774/cat/2 See ya, Arnie On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, William Young wrote: > TO: The lads on SEL, especially the Yanks > From: Your man ( and fellow Yank ) in Japan, Bill Young > > One of my non-English speaking Japanese mates has asked me to help him find and purchase a Novo vertical engine, about 3.5 hp. His first question is "How much?" Answer, " I don't know." I have been watching GAS ENGINE MAGAZINE but have seen nothing advertised. > So, does anyone know of a recent sale? Or better yet, one for sale? Curt, Arnie, Dave, Rob? > In order to avoid clogging up the net, I suggest you use my home email address. Thanks, Bill > wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Mar 29 06:49:17 2007 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:49:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed In-Reply-To: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20070329084631.046e6270@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peter, Just checked my reciprocating power hack saw that is still the factory set-up. It runs at 120 strokes per minute. Dave At 10:55 PM 3/28/2007, you wrote: >Hi all >I have an old style reciprocating power hacksaw that I am doing up for my >workshop and the drive pulley is missing from the motor. >What speed should the blade travel on average (strokes per minute)?, then I >can work out the pulley size. Is 60 strokes per minute too fast? That is >going on the pullys I have here without actually seing it run. > >I have a bandsaw I want to sell as I hardly ever use either, but the bandsaw >is worth more. I also have a cut-off saw. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm for bandsaw. > >Regards >Peter Lowe From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu Mar 29 08:17:05 2007 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:17:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Power hacksaw speed In-Reply-To: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> References: <000301c771b6$20f1e9e0$0601a8c0@altech> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070329081428.05a24ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> The power hacksaw in the 1910 line shaft machine shop at the Mt. Wilson Observatory operates at 60 complete cycles a minute. Regards, Larry Evans At 08:55 PM 3/28/2007, you wrote: >Hi all >I have an old style reciprocating power hacksaw that I am doing up for my >workshop and the drive pulley is missing from the motor. >What speed should the blade travel on average (strokes per minute)?, then I >can work out the pulley size. Is 60 strokes per minute too fast? That is >going on the pullys I have here without actually seing it run. > >I have a bandsaw I want to sell as I hardly ever use either, but the bandsaw >is worth more. I also have a cut-off saw. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/wshop/myshop.htm for bandsaw. > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >Ph: 61-266453455 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Mar 29 09:55:53 2007 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:55:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Villiars and foreign built to the US engine collectors Only need read. In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20070324211100.02ee1030@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <4605C8B8.5080505@scrtc.com> <000501c76e79$4b8787e0$0601a8c0@altech> <6.2.1.2.1.20070324211100.02ee1030@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20070329112316.02efdd60@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi, If you are not a Villiars or English, Australian or other, foreign built to the US engine owner in these or other countries other then the US there is no need to read further. As some of you know or have noticed I sell piston rings for vintage engines on Ebay. Reason I mention this is I wonder if there is a need for sources for rings for engines like the vintage Villiars? or maybe others? I have no idea what sizes are needed, so I would need info on specs. Remember, please reply Off List to my email address frappi at wcoil.com. Thank You, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Mar 29 09:08:24 2007 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:08:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Witte Date Message-ID: <20070329.110824.1320.15.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, I received an email from someone wanting to know the date of his 2 HP Witte # 17544. Anyone have a Witte date list ? Thanks Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ " When happiness shows up give it a comfortable seat". (_o_) From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Mar 29 09:54:33 2007 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:54:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Novo Help In-Reply-To: <177125.14845.qm@web59208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Arnie and Bill, I wonder if your friend is the same guy that contacted me a few times this past week about my Novo? Go to the bottom of this message and read your way up. To me it sounds like one of the scams that go around. So, I just threw a couple prices out there for materials and time. I wasn't sure, so I just put this guy off a little bit. I find it ironic that this note came to the SEL about a Novo. I did look at the two web sites he sent and it seems on the up and up. Regardless, the pictures and videos are worth checking out! I found them pretty cool! http://photos.yahoo.co.jp/monkey12451 http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyounoyuoogata.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ------------ >From: ???? >To: "Luke Tonneberger" >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:45:16 +0900 > >Mr. Luke, >I want to see a sound of the engine and a detailed image. >I love United States engine. > >It is my album and animation of our event. > >http://photos.yahoo.co.jp/monkey12451 > >http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyounoyuoogata.html > >Hidenobu, > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" > >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:30 AM > > >>$1250 for the engine and approx $250 for materials and $250 for my time. >>Send a total payment of $1750. How does that sound? >> >>Luke Tonneberger >>Rockford, Michigan >>USA >> >>============ >> >>>From: ???? >>>To: "Luke Tonneberger" >>>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:47:42 +0900 >>> >>>Mr. Luke, >>>Thank you for the answer. >>>It introduces the person in charge of the carrying company that I often >>>use. >>>Please inquire of MS.PATT concerning export. Patt_Carmody at nittsu.com >>>And, please say my name to her. >>>She explains plainly. >>>Cash on delivery can be used for the carriage to Japan. >>> >>> >>>I pay you the engine price and the packing price. >>>Please inform me of the packing price. >>>It will take about one week to the engine price and the packing price by >>>the >>>receipt. >>> >>>My best regards though the trouble is put. >>> >>>It doesn't return from the 28th to the 31st to the house on business. >>> >>> >>>Zip 501-0523 simokata?|onocho-ibigun-gifuken-Japan >>>name Hidenobu Wakahara >>>Tel 0585-32-0522 >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" >>> >>>To: >>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:57 PM >>> >>> >>>>Yes, I can send it to Japan. I will build a crate for it but you will >>>>have to pay for materials and time. You will have to arrange all of the >>>>shipping. >>>> >>>>Luke Tonneberger >>>>Rockford, Michigan >>>>USA >>>> >>>>==================== >>>> >>>>>From: hidenobu at orion.ocn.ne.jp >>>>>To: flywheelin at hotmail.com >>>>>Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:12:26 -0400 >>>>> >>>>>For Sale: Novo 6hp >>>>> >>>>>Nice to meet you. Can you send it to Japan? >>>>>It is necessary to pack it. The packing fee is paid.The carrying >>>>>company can introduce it.A good answer expectation is done. >>>>> >>>>>Zip 501-0523 simokata?|onocho-ibigun-gifuken-Japan >>>>>name Hidenobu Wakahara >>>>>Tel 0585-32-0522 >>>>> Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: William Young > >TO: The lads on SEL, especially the Yanks > From: Your man ( and fellow Yank ) in Japan, Bill Young > > One of my non-English speaking Japanese mates has asked me to help him >find and purchase a Novo vertical engine, about 3.5 hp. His first question >is "How much?" Answer, " I don't know." I have been watching GAS ENGINE >MAGAZINE but have seen nothing advertised. > So, does anyone know of a recent sale? Or better yet, one for sale? >Curt, Arnie, Dave, Rob? > In order to avoid clogging up the net, I suggest you use my home email >address. Thanks, Bill > wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp _________________________________________________________________ i'm making a difference.?Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtagline From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Mar 29 11:47:39 2007 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:47:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Witte Date Message-ID: <20070329.104739.1340.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Joe. My list says it is a 1915. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:08:24 -0500 Joseph L Betz writes: > Hi List, > > I received an email from someone wanting to know > the date of his 2 HP Witte # 17544. > Anyone have a Witte date list ? > Thanks > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ " When happiness shows up give it a comfortable > seat". > (_o_) From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 27 00:14:26 2007 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:14:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] YA STOVER References: <002501c77022$5929d060$7a526c3a@Edd> Message-ID: <004601c7703f$8eb97d80$0eb7ecdc@morris> Well done Edd, looks REAL Goooooood Kerry Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ skype ID: ozengine Sent 6.13pm Monday > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el3X5YOhvCQ > I have put the above link on UTube.It is of my YA Stover 2HP that I have > just got. > > EDD PAYN > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Thu Mar 29 18:57:18 2007 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:57:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auctions References: <200703292156580953.031EAF03@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200703292157180140.031EF9F6@heavyiron.atis.net> While I am still waiting on about 5 small payments, the last of the big money came in today, so we are ready to start disbursing the proceeds. Currently we have right near 4900(exact figures below). As I recommended last Christmas, I feel like at least half the money should go to the Ohio FFA Scholarship fund in John Sewell's name. This would honor the memory of a fine young man whom I think about often and enjoyed all my time with, but just as importantly it would honor the contribution and friendship of long time ATIS member Steve Sewell. As for the remainder, the non-profit groups of Tod Engine Project and Internal Fire museum have been long time supporters of the SEL list and ATIS in general and they have always donated what they could to the auctions. I suggest 10% a piece for each. I then recommend 10% to the Lester Larsen Tractor Test museum and then 10% American Cancer Society in Cecil Monson's name and 10% to the Salvation Army. To recap, here are my nominations: 50% To Ohio FFA Scholarship fund 10% Internal Fire 10% Tod Engine Project 10% Lester Larson Tractor Test museum 10% Salvation Army. 10% American Cancer Society in Cecil Monson's Name Let have some discussion on possible recipients, and then let get this money out there. Also, if you haven't paid, please get your payment in to me ASAP. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net =========================================================== Credit Card Payments $313.00 PayPal Balance $1,009.00 Checks and Money Order $1,338.05 Cash and Equivalent $314.00 Total of all Payments $2,974.05 Total of Auction bidding and donations minus missing payments $2,974.05 PayPal and Credit Card Fees -$41.05 Summer Auction Total $1,920.00 Total to disburse $4,853.00 From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 30 06:30:48 2007 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:30:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers Message-ID: Anyone want a couple of cheap bearing scrapers? They were initially listed at $5, and have been reduced to $3. _http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Tools-Unknown-Items-Babbitt-Bearing-Scrapers_W0QQitemZ2 50098077301QQcategoryZ1461QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Tools-Unknown-Items-Babbitt-Bearing-Scrapers_W0QQitemZ250098077301QQ categoryZ1461QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. Germoamer at aol.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Mar 30 17:28:51 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:28:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Thanks to contributors, bidders and Spencer - charity auction Message-ID: <460DAB43.1090300@steamengine.com.au> Spencer recently sent out the message summarisng the charity auction income and suggesting his proposed break-up of donations. We should all be thankful to: - those of us who donated items to the auction - those of us who had enough spare to bid and also Spencer for the work he puts into the auction each year, facilitating the auction free and especially his honesty and integrity to carry out this important treasurery task. Thanks! Regards Paul From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sat Mar 31 10:00:39 2007 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:00:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond Message-ID: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi , I'm coming over to attend Portland in August then on to Mount Pleasant. I was wondering is there any other shows on the same weekend as Mount pleasant that I could attend, or will I need the full 5 days to see it. Craig in Scotland From clemsweller at etczone.com Sat Mar 31 13:33:36 2007 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (chuck emsweller) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 16:33:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond In-Reply-To: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <000b01c773d3$dba2c600$92e85200$@com> Craig, Glad to hear you will be making Portland. I don't know about shows around Mount Pleasant, but depending on when you get into Indiana and when you plan to arrive at Portland, the weekend before (Thurs-Sunday) there is a nice smaller (compared to Portland) show in Greensburg Indiana. It is about 2 hours South of Portland Indiana. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of craig morrison Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:01 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond Hi , I'm coming over to attend Portland in August then on to Mount Pleasant. I was wondering is there any other shows on the same weekend as Mount pleasant that I could attend, or will I need the full 5 days to see it. Craig in Scotland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 3/30/2007 1:15 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 3/30/2007 1:15 PM From stevebarr at ameritech.net Sat Mar 31 14:39:27 2007 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond In-Reply-To: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <38555.58490.qm@web82015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Craig I am thinking of going to Mt. Pleasant this year as an exhibitor. They are featuring Challenge Engines. I was able to see what I wanted in the 1 day that I was there last year. Photos on web site: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006MtPleasant1.htm The same weekend are 3 shows that I would recommend. Rollag, MN - Large show with lots of steam, Big Gas Tractors, and some excellent displays of engines (ones on year round setup are worth it. I was not overly impressed with the fenced in cages where others were displaying engines.) It made me think that we were in down under???? White Pines Logging & Threshing - McGrath MN - Nice sice show held on a family farm. Good selection of steam, Gas Tractors are organized nicely. Some excellent working exhibits. Rock River Thresheree Edgerton/Janesville, WI - lots of steam and other tractors. Pontiac, IL - I haven't been to the show for several years so I cannot comment on it. You can review photos from the past at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/show_reports.htm 2 years ago, I was able to catch 3 shows in 3 days...Lots of fun...Rollag then White Pines, and then Edgerton...and lots of driving. Steve --- craig morrison wrote: > Hi , > I'm coming over to attend Portland in August then on to Mount > Pleasant. I was wondering is there any other shows on the same weekend > as Mount pleasant that I could attend, or will I need the full 5 days to > see it. > > > Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Mar 31 16:18:56 2007 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:18:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond References: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <000801c773ea$f4f13b20$0601a8c0@altech> Hi Craig It takes time to soak up the atmosphere and the people, yet alone the engines. Portland needs 4 days to have a great time with the LIST guys and gals. Mt Pleasant we had two days there and had a ball. Good luck and have a great time mate. Peter, Oz > Hi , > I'm coming over to attend Portland in August then on to Mount > Pleasant. I was wondering is there any other shows on the same weekend as > Mount pleasant that I could attend, or will I need the full 5 days to see > it. > > > Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > 30/03/2007 1:15 PM > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Mar 31 19:55:29 2007 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:55:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond In-Reply-To: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <460F1F21.7050105@steamengine.com.au> Hi Craig, You'll need 3 to 4 days just to see all of Portland (including the swap meet) let alone take it in!! Mt. Pleasant is a smaller show than Portland, but IMHO much more interesting show from a variety perspective. For me, Portland is the socialising show with the list people. At Portland you'll find plenty of engines, plenty of tractors and a few small ancillary displays like steam traction, a sawmill, a blacksmith (if you're lucky) and most importantly really good company in the various list compounds - both during and after show hours over in the campground. Stay in the campground - I've tent and camper camped - both are great, but watch those low lying areas - I've been flooded out once! The Portland day starts around 5am and finishes about 4am. Plenty of time for sleep. It does taper off though - on the last day its more like a 9am start but no-one goes to sleep any earlier. Far too much beer to drink and bullshit to spread around the fire! At Mt. Pleasant you won't find that same atmosphere (unless you know a group of people there) but you will find much more variety. There is a huge steam turn out. Several sawmills. Some truly big engines (eat your heart out Portland OFES - these ARE bigger!). Electric trams (trolleys or streetcars to the yanks!) servicing the camp ground. A steam railway with Shay, Climax and (I think) a Heisler locomotive. There are historic displays and re-enactments (or were the year I went - dunno if that is normal). Portland needs trams/trolleys too - the sites are probably about the same size - at the end of five days at Portland your feet will hurt - unless of course, you spend the entire show sitting on your butt in the list compound in which case that might hurt instead :) That said, if I could only attend one show on a US trip it would be Portland - I've seen enough engines to last a lifetime, its the people that are more important to me these days. Regards Paul craig morrison wrote: > Hi , > I'm coming over to attend Portland in August then on to Mount Pleasant. I was wondering is there any other shows on the same weekend as Mount pleasant that I could attend, or will I need the full 5 days to see it. > > > Craig in Scotland > From glenn.karch at verizon.net Sat Mar 31 10:56:46 2007 From: glenn.karch at verizon.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:56:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond References: <000b01c773b6$2d1743d0$be85e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <001601c773bd$f3e78cc0$71fb123f@D8LJ7K91> Graig, After you've been to Portland, you will wonder if there is another show as big. The one at Mt. Pleasant is just as big, but the make up and attractions are different. You can take in the Mt Pleasant show in less than 5 days, but in all, it is a big one and there are a lot of tractors, steamers, gas engines and a lot of other stuff to see or watch. There is a big show at Rollag, Minnesota that same weekend that a lot of people go to. There is also a show near Colchester, Illinois at Argyle State Park that same weekend and it is about an hour and a half from Mt. Pleasant. We will be at both Portland and Mt Pleasant as gas engine exhibitors. Hope to see you at both. Glenn Karch Hercules Historian Haubstadt, Indiana, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: [SEL] trip over the pond > Hi , > I'm coming over to attend Portland in August then on to Mount > Pleasant. I was wondering is there any other shows on the same weekend as > Mount pleasant that I could attend, or will I need the full 5 days to see > it. > > > Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel